Steel and aluminum tariffs...

[Winehole23]

http://i.imgur.com/o428Hqk.jpg?fb (https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1964087_-ARCHIVED-THREAD----Gorsuch-calls-Trump-comments-about-judges--disheartening-and-demoralizing-.html&page=5)

[RandomGuy]

DJT thinks the pressure will result in better deals, but it may result in pissed off allies, broken deals and broken trust, to say nothing of unintended consequences for US businesses and consumers.

It has resulted in pissed off allies.

The justification, i.e. national security, for the steel tariffs is especially galling for the Canucks who have lost their share of soldiers in Afghanistan.

[johnsmith]

It has resulted in pissed off allies.

The justification, i.e. national security, for the steel tariffs is especially galling for the Canucks who have lost their share of soldiers in Afghanistan.

Domestic steel mills are making a killing though!


Honestly these tariffs are arguably the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen a President do.....which is saying ALOT!

[Winehole23]

when you've lost the Koch brothers...


Three organizations financed by conservative billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch are launching a multimillion-dollar campaign against President Donald Trump’s tariffs on imports.


The groups said Monday that the multiyear initiative will include advertising, education of activists, lobbying, policy analysis and “grass roots mobilization.” The groups — Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, Americans for Prosperity and The Libre Initiative — released a list of trade recommendations that focus on encouraging competitive markets and eliminating tariffs.https://www.marketwatch.com/story/koch-brothers-finance-campaign-to-oppose-trumps-tariffs-2018-06-04

[RandomGuy]

Domestic steel mills are making a killing though!


Honestly these tariffs are arguably the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen a President do.....which is saying ALOT!

He said he would. One might ding the guy, but he has been trying to keep his campaign promises.

The problem is that the promises were shitty to begin with, and based, like so many Republican policies, on ignorance. These were just more so, IMO.

He is angling to ditch NAFTA and wants a "sunset" provision that CAN and MEX view as game changers. The stupidity is just getting warmed, up, because Trump thinks "we can't lose".

G7 meeting coming up, in Canada. Look for that not to go well. Iran deal pullout, TPP pullout, Tarriffs... he has done something that has pissed off every other member of that group.

I guess we will get to see what happens when you have a meeting with people you just shit on.

[Winehole23]

sidebar:


Billionaire conservative icon David Koch is stepping down from the Koch brothers’ network of business and political activities.https://apnews.com/5c1c6ee0799645fd819910569f2684b2

[RandomGuy]

when you've lost the Koch brothers...

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The monster turns on his creators. Fuck 'em, and the Trump voters. At this point, I will have little pity to see anyone who voted for this guy thinking he would "shake things up" lose their asses, when the rest of the world slaps tariffs on US goods, and starts shunning US businesses.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/2017/12/articles/body/20170520_wwd000.jpg

[Chris]

Putin cartoon that isn't even remotely funny or related. Yikes.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/2017/12/articles/body/20170520_wwd000.jpg

Why wouldn't Pootin be pleased by the chaos, polarization, govt destruction caused by his Machurian Candidate, in his strategy of "whatever's bad for America, is good for Russia"

[Winehole23]

Putin cartoon that isn't even remotely funny or related. Yikes.what do you think about corporate welfare and government picking winners and losers, Chris?

[Chris]

what do you think about corporate welfare and government picking winners and losers, Chris?

I don't have an opinion on your opinion.

[Winehole23]

That's what it means to have tariffs, Chris. It means the government puts its thumb on the scales.

The government also decides which companies have to play by the rules and which get waivers.

Those aren't opinions -- that's how tariffs work.

[Chris]

That's what it means to have tariffs, Chris. It means the government puts its thumb on the scales.

The government also decides which companies have to play by the rules and which get waivers.

Those aren't opinions -- that's how tariffs work.

You don't need to educate me on tariffs.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have said it from the beginning, trumps gone completely off the rails with this tariff shit.

[Winehole23]

You don't need to educate me on tariffs.so what's your opinion on the tariffs?

[CosmicCowboy]

On a brighter note after mexico announced its counter tariffs pork butts should be cheap this summer at HEB.

[Chris]

so what's your opinion on the tariffs?

I like the strategy and advocated for it on page 1 ITT

[Winehole23]

what's the strategy?

[Winehole23]

walk us through the 4D chess

[Winehole23]

I like the strategy and advocated for it on page 1 ITTthe ends justify the means.

where have I heard this before?

[RandomGuy]

I don't have an opinion on your opinion.

Not really an opinion. Trump administration wants to order power companies to buy coal power that is more expensive than the alternative.

Should the government tell some private companies to make less money, so others can make more?

[Chris]

Not really an opinion.

It's an opinion.

[Winehole23]

lol ducking opinions on a discussion board.

how alpha.

[boutons_deux]

Republican Senators Are Drafting A Bill To Fight Trump On TariffsNot everybody in the party is on board, however.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-tariffs-corker-republican-senators_us_5b16bd54e4b09578259c2660?utm_medium=em ail&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__050618&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__050618+CID_1c526852 9b859a69940c429cfc6adbe6&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__050618

[Winehole23]

Chris complains about off topic cartoons, then ghosts at the first sign of topical discussion.

[RandomGuy]

On a brighter note after mexico announced its counter tariffs pork butts should be cheap this summer at HEB.

I'm sure the ranchers will love that. Have to ask the one I have in my contacts.

[RandomGuy]

It's an opinion.

It's not an opinion. If your dumb ass wants me to dig for actual prices, I would be happy to fucking embarrass your dumb ass, yet again. Facts are facts, fake Christian.

Should the government tell some private companies to make less money, so others can make more?

[RandomGuy]

lol ducking opinions on a discussion board.

how alpha.

Chris is singularly dishonest. His only purpose is to troll, so his ghosting is pretty much par for the course.

[RandomGuy]

It's an opinion.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants
The plan would benefit a handful of firms the president favours at the expense of consumers

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/06/donald-trump-hopes-to-save-americas-failing-coal-fired-power-plants


Fake Chris knows more about economics than the Economist. :rollin

[Chris]

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[RandomGuy]

:rollin

Trump tweets

[Winehole23]

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[RandomGuy]

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Donald_Trump_Sunn_Wear_Your_Voice-400x400.jpg

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

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[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

Kudlow!:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm sure the ranchers will love that. Have to ask the one I have in my contacts.

Did you mean factory farms?

[Chris]

1004489177436651521

[SnakeBoy]

Kudlow!:lol

Board whig complaining about tariffs :lol

[clambake]

Board whig complaining about tariffs :lol

its about picking winners and losers.

but you knew that.

[ElNono]

the ends justify the means.

where have I heard this before?

Wild Cobra?

[boutons_deux]

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

President Donald Trump’s tariff on imported solar panels has led U.S. renewable energy companies to

cancel or freeze investments of more than $2.5 billion in large installation projects,

along with thousands of jobs,

the developers told Reuters.

That’s more than double the about $1 billion in new spending plans announced by firms building or expanding U.S. solar panel factories to take advantage of the tax on imports.

The tariff’s bifurcated impact on the solar industry underscores how

protectionist trade measures almost invariably hurt one or more domestic industries for every one they shield from foreign competition.

Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs, for instance, have hurt manufacturers of U.S. farm equipment made with steel, such as tractors and grain bins, along with the farmers buying them at higher prices.

White House officials did not respond to a request for comment. :lol

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-solar-insight/billions-in-u-s-solar-projects-shelved-after-trump-panel-tariff-idUSKCN1J30CT?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[Winehole23]

Board whig complaining about tariffs :lolThe suggestion that emo Trump's bird-brained tariffs amount to a coherent industrial policy:lol

It's not the 19th century, the US is fully industrialized, it has access to capitol and is not only not uncompetitive economically, but is very near the top of the pile.

If these tariffs supported economically viable or nationally indispensable industries, my ears would be wide open, but they don't. It's a pure sop to legacy energy companies and rust belt nostalgia.

[Winehole23]

what's the industrial policy here, SnakeBoy?

walk us through it.

[RandomGuy]

[derision][smiley]

Because one Spurtacular isn't enough? Geez, the laziness is contagious.

[RandomGuy]

what's the industrial policy here, SnakeBoy?

walk us through it.

SB has given up. I think even he knows the right has lost its mind, and won't stake any effort on defending what he knows is crazy. Doorbell ringing is about it.

[RandomGuy]

The suggestion that emo Trump's bird-brained tariffs amount to a coherent industrial policy:lol

It's not the 19th century, the US is fully industrialized, it has access to capitol and is not only not uncompetitive economically, but is very near the top of the pile.

If these tariffs supported economically viable or nationally indispensable industries, my ears would be wide open, but they don't. It's a pure sop to legacy energy companies and rust belt nostalgia.

Trump doesn't read. His understanding of the economy is frozen in the eighties, before his mental decline. There are about 4 decades of film footage, watch them chronologically, it is obvious that the last 10 years or so have not been kind to his facilities.

This decline, coupled with not really a good baseline intellect AND a total lack of curiousity to start with means that his solutions will be based on what amounts to a fantasy world. Reality is rarely kind to such policies, unless you get lucky.

[RandomGuy]

Did you mean factory farms?

Looks like the bribe to Trump worked. ZTE is now being let back into the US, hypocrite.

Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided [hundreds of] millions to a Trump Organization-tied project
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5

The U.S. strikes a deal with Chinese electronics giant ZTE
https://www.marketplace.org/2018/06/07/world/us-strikes-deal-chinese-electronics-giant-zte


Guess those Iranian sanctions aren't really all that important to the administration now, are they, hypocrite? Wonder why that is?

[Winehole23]

Because one Spurtacular isn't enough?there can never be enough. mindless trolling is one of the things the internet is the best for.

[Winehole23]

SB has given up... Doorbell ringing is about it.Doorbell ditching is another relative amenity of the internet. It will never go out of style.

Posters who avoid giving their own take show becoming guile. One runs the risk of looking ignorant or silly by having something determinate to say.

[RandomGuy]

Doorbell ditching is another relative amenity of the internet. It will never go out of style.

Posters who avoid giving their own take show becoming guile. One runs the risk of looking ignorant or silly by having something determinate to say.

Yeah. This forum is in its death throes, IMO. People leave, and are not replaced. Those that remain look to phone it in, sometimes myself included. Dunno. Maybe time to find an alternative.

[SnakeBoy]

what's the industrial policy here, SnakeBoy?

walk us through it.

It's all laid out in this thread by some guy called Winehole23

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135015

[SnakeBoy]

SB has given up. I think even he knows the right has lost its mind, and won't stake any effort on defending what he knows is crazy. Doorbell ringing is about it.


Doorbell ditching is another relative amenity of the internet. It will never go out of style.

Posters who avoid giving their own take show becoming guile. One runs the risk of looking ignorant or silly by having something determinate to say.

Posters who completely change their positions based on which team is in power shouldn't complain that other posters don't put any effort into having discussions with them.

[sickdsm]

Doorbell ditching is another relative amenity of the internet. It will never go out of style.

Posters who avoid giving their own take show becoming guile. One runs the risk of looking ignorant or silly by having something determinate to say.

+1

[RandomGuy]

Posters who completely change their positions based on which team is in power

:rollin

Pretty much describes conservatives under Trump, sorry.

[RandomGuy]

Posters who completely change their positions based on which team is in power shouldn't complain that other posters don't put any effort into having discussions with them.

What a cop out, and an easy excuse for laziness.

Everyone is to blame but yourself, per par. Sorry, not buying the lie. You are just too lazy.

smh

[SnakeBoy]

Dunno. Maybe time to find an alternative.

Here ya go
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forums/

[SnakeBoy]

What a cop out, and an easy excuse for laziness.

Everyone is to blame but yourself, per par. Sorry, not buying the lie. You are just too lazy.

smh

It doesn't get lazier than this RG...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274136&p=9412728#post9412728

[Chris]

Yeah. This forum is in its death throes, IMO. People leave, and are not replaced. Those that remain look to phone it in, sometimes myself included. Dunno. Maybe time to find an alternative.

What an emo post :lol

[Chris]

GloryHole and RandomGay flexing their CNN talking points. :lol

"Trump is living in the past!"

[hater]

What an emo post :lol

:lmao

[koriwhat]

What an emo post :lol

right? it's been this way for a decade now or a bit longer. after 2005 it died down around here immensely.

[RandomGuy]

Here ya go
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forums/

It doesn't get lazier than this RG...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274136&p=9412728#post9412728

Yawn. Laaaaaazzzeeeeeeee.

Don't strain yourself.

[Winehole23]

It's all laid out in this thread by some guy called Winehole23

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135015That was laid out by Pat Buchanan. It barely resembles what Trump is doing now.

How is laying tariffs on the EU and Canada consistent with Pat Buchanan's article of ten years ago and my defense of it?

[Winehole23]

FWIW, I still believe this:


De-industrialization has been a bitch for regular Americans, and not just for pampered union workers. Measured by real wages, our fortunes have been going sideways for awhile. Now they're going down.

Where's the theoretical tide that floats all boats? The growth of the last 30 years was a mirage based on unsustainable debt, not real value and productivity.

[Winehole23]

I just don't think DJT's tariffs are a serious solution to it. Or even the beginning of a serious solution.

It's emo bullshit pulled from DJT's muddle-headed recollection of the economic situation 20-30 years ago.

[Winehole23]

I also still believe this:


fighting for US trade interests and a decent standard of living, even for un-degreed Americans. The idea that only college graduates deserve to reap the fruits of prosperity strikes me as -- dare I say it? -- elitist and wrongheaded.

[Winehole23]

still believe this:


I don't think our fortunes should be blindly placed at the altar of progress; still less do I accept that de-industrialization is a historical inevitability, and still less an absolute necessity.

Wasn't industrialism the basis of our power and prosperity in the 20th century?

What will replace it, given the poor state of American education, our crushing debt and the increasing instability of the USD, i.e., our purchasing power and standard of living?

Our future prosperity has already been pawned to bail out insolvent banks and unfunded liabilities, and the true depth of wealth destruction in the current recession has yet to fully sink in. On what basis will the purchasing power of the American consumer be revived?

That strikes me as the more pertinent question. Upon what real stores of value will we rebuild our failed economy? More financialized bs will only sink us deeper when the debt bubble pops again, because there was not enough real productive value (i.e., stuff that people want to buy from us) underneath it. Again.

[Winehole23]

I just don't think trying to revive economically less viable industries like coal, steel and aluminum is the way to do it.

[Winehole23]

our past is not the future

[Winehole23]

Manny had a good post:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135015&page=6&p=3690226

[Winehole23]

So no, SnakeBoy, it's a fucking joke to say that DJT has a coherent industrial policy because I laid out something resembling one in SpursTalk ten years ago.

[SnakeBoy]

Wow, 8 responses. Winehole versus Winehole :lol

Coulda just said it's different now cuz Trump.

[Pavlov]

Welp....

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[Winehole23]

Wow, 8 responses. Winehole versus Winehole :lol

Coulda just said it's different now cuz Trump.I coulda, but it wouldn't be true.

I had very few positive comments about Obama on this board, my trend of posting about DJT is similar.

[Winehole23]

American politics is a fecal duality -- that much has remained the same.

Whether you grab the stick on either end, or in the middle, you touch shit.

[Winehole23]

Wow, 8 responses.you had no substantive responses. your initial thrust was pure puffery.

weak stuff, SnakeBoy

[Chris]

I coulda, but it wouldn't be true.

I had very few positive comments about Obama on this board, my trend of posting about DJT is similar.

So edgy.

[Winehole23]

So edgy.sit on a fork and spin, edgelord

[SnakeBoy]

you had no substantive responses. your initial thrust was pure puffery.


Neither have you. Let's see Obama's tariff was good, Trump's are bad, DE-industrialization and globalization has not been all roses for regular americans (I agree), and Trump insults. That's not very substantive.

Maybe you could reveal your wonderful industrial policy. Democrat's and most of the GOP might listen to you since they don't have one.

Of course, it's ok if you say you don't know (I don't) and just return to jeering from the sideline.

Since you want my take on Trump's tariffs so bad...We'll see what happens, he could easily overplay his hand here but his hand would be stronger if both parties weren't dominated by the Cato Institute view of international trade.

[Winehole23]

Neither have you. Let's see Obama's tariff was good, Trump's are badMisrepresents what I said. I said Obama's rubber tariff might be a good start. It wasn't. It was mainly symbolic.


DE-industrialization and globalization has not been all roses for regular americans (I agree), and Trump insults. That's not very substantive.Fair enough. If we can get to the point where we can say there might be national interests that supersede free trade orthodoxy, that's an ok start. Settling on what those interests are and how they might be effectively furthered is hard enough in practice and well nigh impossible on a discussion board, but that doesn't mean the conversation isn't worth having.

Agenda setting isn't nothing. Defining what problems policy is supposed to solve isn't a solution to anything, but it is an initial step in that direction. Criticizing critics because they don't have solutions ready at hand is air-headed.


Maybe you could reveal your wonderful industrial policy. Democrat's and most of the GOP might listen to you since they don't have one.I don't have one, but that doesn't mean that I, just like you, can't criticize the political establishment for not having one. I think it would be a good idea for the US to have some concept of how to foster real productivity instead of gross GDP, and durable livelihoods for Americans rather than just a welter of cheaply produced consumer goods managed by an extractive finance sector. That isn't prosperity.

I'll readily admit that just because I think strategic industrial policy would be a good idea, doesn't mean that I have the answer. I never claimed I did.


Of course, it's ok if you say you don't know (I don't) and just return to jeering from the sideline.I don't know, and nothing wrong with jeering from the sidelines. That's mostly what we do here.


Since you want my take on Trump's tariffs so bad...We'll see what happens, he could easily overplay his hand here but his hand would be stronger if both parties weren't dominated by the Cato Institute view of international trade.I agree that there's no telling how things will turn out. I also agree that Trump might have a better chance at changing the status quo if both parties weren't doctrinally stuck on free trade.

In my opinion it's overly generous to credit Trump with a strategy here. For all the world it looks like he's improvising.

Take my opinion and $1.59 and it'll buy you a Big Gulp. Opinions are cheap, but they are the currency of this realm -- that and jeering from the sidelines.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't have one, but that doesn't mean that I, just like you, can't criticize the political establishment for not having one. I think it would be a good idea for the US to have some concept of how to foster real productivity instead of gross GDP, and durable livelihoods for Americans rather than just a welter of cheaply produced consumer goods managed by an extractive finance sector. That isn't prosperity.


On that I agree completely. I think Trump is trying to do just that. We'll see what happens, I hope he succeeds. If he does it will be up to others to turn those results into a coherent policy, coherency isn't his cup of tea. If he doesn't succeed things will go back to exactly how they have been with a new POTUS, no matter what party they belong to, and that will be that.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't know, and nothing wrong with jeering from the sidelines. That's mostly what we do here.


Well that makes a little hypocritical to criticize my fly by comments then, don't you think. You aren't exactly known for your expansive posts over the years either. That's fine by me.

I think RandomGuy has been the only regular poster who thinks if he googles hard enough he can win the internet.

[Winehole23]

I think Trump is trying to do just that. We'll see what happens, I hope he succeeds. What makes you think he is trying to do that?

[Winehole23]

Well that makes a little hypocritical to criticize my fly by comments then, don't you think. Not at all. Believe it or not, I've missed the conversation. Sometimes it's disappointing to get nothing but snark when you know someone has something to say.


You aren't exactly known for your expansive posts over the years either. That's fine by me. When I started here in 2008, I caught a lot of grief for wordy posting; I've adjusted.

[SnakeBoy]

What makes you think he is trying to do that?

I'm not sure how to answer that. I don't see how you can think his intentions are not to create "durable livelihoods for Americans rather than just a welter of cheaply produced consumer goods managed by an extractive finance sector". Then again I can't see how people hear Laurel instead of Yanny.

[Winehole23]

well, for starters, what is Trump doing to rein in the financial sector?

I can see the tariffs as a symbolic gesture toward Americans left behind by de-industrialization and global free trade, but what are these tariffs doing to help them, particularly if the targets reciprocate?

Given cheap natural gas, they're not going to bring the coal industry back; nor will they bring back the steel belt, absent massive modernization recapitalization of an industry that produces a product for which there is a global glut for the foreseeable future.

[SnakeBoy]

well, for starters, what is Trump doing to rein in the financial sector?


Why does it need to be reigned in? Does it have to be either or? It seems to me reigning in the financial sector absent any other major changes to our economy is about the most destructive thing one could do right now.



I can see the tariffs as a symbolic gesture toward Americans left behind by de-industrialization and global free trade, but what are these tariffs doing to help them, particularly if the targets reciprocate?

Given cheap natural gas, they're not going to bring the coal industry back; nor will they bring back the steel belt, absent massive modernization recapitalization of an industry that produces a product for which there is a global glut for the foreseeable future.

I can't claim to know what Trump really believes but I don't think anyone expects those industries to return to the post WWII glory years including Trump. I just don't see taking some action to help those people dependent on them now as a bad thing. Better than the still unfulfilled promises to replace them with something else of the last 2-3 decades. I'm not overly sympathetic to the "but we might pay a little more so screw those people" argument.

All of our trading partners are less able to withstand a trade war than we are. So Trump using tariffs to get concessions from them doesn't seem unreasonable to me as long as he doesn't overplay his hand. He could easily do that or he could immediately back down and give up as Bush and Obama did.

Like I said, we'll see what happens. Absent any realistic alternatives from anyone else that's the best take I got.

[boutons_deux]

Even the White House’s Own Internal Economic Analysis Reportedly Found Trump’s Tariffs Will Hurt the U.S. Economy

So what’s Trump’s endgame?

You would hope the economic benefits would be sufficiently staggering such that there would be enough left over to help repair the bridges the U.S. is torching as it looks to penny pinch its way into an uncertain global future without any clear and coherent vision of a global economic system much different from the one that currently exists.

The internal study conducted by the White House Council of Economic Advisers counters the administration’s sunny projections and aligns more closely with what economists outside the White House have warned.

“In a March survey of an expert panel (http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/steel-and-aluminum-tariffs) of academic economists assembled by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business,

no economist agreed with the statement,

‘Imposing new U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum will improve Americans’ welfare,’”

“This week, the World Bank said in its Global Economic Prospects Report that if tariff threats led to trade wars, the consequences could be “devastating.” It pointed to intensifying protectionism around the world as a risk to economic growth.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/even-the-white-houses-own-internal-economic-analysis-reportedly-determined-trumps-tariffs-will-hurt-the-u-s-economy.html

As with pardons and the Muslim bans, Trash has discovered, is still discovering the powers of the Exec.

Like a kid playing with a dangerous machine ("don't ever push that button!"),

if he discovers (or is told by his sycophants) that he has a power,

esp a power beyond the (immediate) reach of the other branches,

then he's gratuitously going to use it,

and damn the disastrous consequences (which he will lie about as being The Best Eva)

[boutons_deux]

Wall Street Journal Demands GOP 'Rein' Trump In on Trade Before He Ruins the Country

'Mr. Trump Might Rage on Twitter, but Congress Needs to Send Him a Message That His Protectionism Isn’t Cost-Free'

According to the editorial board of the conservative Wall Street Journal,

Republicans must band together and

strip President Donald Trump of some of his trade powers before he does irreparable damage to the U.S. economy.

the board blamed Democrats :lol for the laws that have allowed the President to impose tariffs :lol

“Republicans have complained for years that the executive has encroached on the powers of the legislature,

but the GOP hasn’t done much to stop the invasion.

“Mr. Trump might rage on Twitter, but Congress needs to send him a message that his protectionism isn’t cost-free,”

they concluded.

“Otherwise he might believe he can get away with blowing up Nafta,

imposing a 25% tariff on imported cars, or

shutting down trade with China.

Mr. Corker’s effort is a test of the Republican Congress’s political will and its sincerity on the economic benefits of free trade.”

https://www.alternet.org/wall-street-journal-demands-gop-rein-trump-trade-he-ruins-country

Repugs won't do shit to restrain Trash.

[boutons_deux]

Workers in Baytown Plant Send Postcards to Trump Asking for Stop to Steel Tariff

Workers at a Southeast Texas steel pipe plant have flooded the White House with 4,500 postcards (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/391406-texas-town-sends-trump-4500-postcards-asking-for-tariff-exemption) asking President Trump to cool it already with the tariffs.

Workers at Baytown's Borusan Mannesmann plant and their families sent postcards asking Trump to grant the company a waiver to the 25 percent steel tariffs he announced in March.

The factory imports the steel pipes it works with from Turkey, where its parent company is headquartered.
Borusan Mannesmann already employs 264 people in Baytown and is

mulling another factory onsite, which would allow it to hire even more.

But the tariffs — which would add a reported $25-30 million in annual production costs — put the expansion in jeopardy.
https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2018/06/08/workers-in-baytown-plant-send-postcards-to-trump-asking-for-stop-to-tariffs

[Chris]

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[boutons_deux]

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump

"Canadian farmers point out that despite the tariffs that protect them,

imports make up 10% of the country’s dairy consumption.

By contrast, the US restricts dairy imports to 3% of domestic consumption.

“That just screams hypocrisy to me,” Muirhead said.

“I don’t understand how they can get away with these positions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/jun/09/milk-canada-us-trade-war

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

I'M CONTENT TO BE AN ECHO OF TRUMP. MAGA!

[Winehole23]

1005467822711902210Canada protects its dairy producers.

All six major parties support the policy and 75% of Canadians support even greater protections.


to supporters, the uniquely prosperous, protected Canadian dairy industry stands as a model alternative to the increasingly disruptive and unpopular dynamic of unrestricted free trade in all things.
Supply management enjoys strong government support in no small part because the policy obviates the need to subsidize farmers directly in the manner of the US and the EU – the two greatest culprits behind the current world dairy glut.

“The system works so incredibly well,” said Bruce Muirhead, associate vice-president and professor of history at the University of Waterloo. “And the big thing about supply management is that it doesn’t cost the government a cent. Consumers pay the full cost of production.”

Domestic critics have called supply management a grotesque distortion of free-market principles, complaining that the comparatively high price of Canadian milk sacrifices the interests of consumers in favour of producers and victimizes the poor. But no consumer or social policy group has taken up the cause, and all six parties currently represented in the House of Commons unanimously support supply management.

As do Canadian consumers: an Ipsos poll this year by the Dairy Farmers of Canada reported that 75% of Canadians support even greater government efforts to defend the industry in the face of current US demands.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/jun/09/milk-canada-us-trade-war

[Winehole23]

Canada is protecting itself against a global glut of dairy products. Canadians support the policy, are even willing to pay higher prices.

[Winehole23]

if AMLO wins in Mexico, it could be another kick to the breadbasket:

http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/elecciones-2018/amlo-lanza-advertencia-a-trump-donde-le-puede-doler-suspendera-compra-de-maiz-a-eu

[Chris]

Canada is protecting itself against a global glut of dairy products. Canadians support the policy, are even willing to pay higher prices.

I'm sure Canada and its citizens are comfortable with your vague blanket statements.

[Pavlov]

I'm sure Canada and its citizens are comfortable with your vague blanket statements.:lol Canada's citizens spoke for themselves in that poll he posted.

[Winehole23]

the commies at the Wall Street Journal think tariffs are already raising the price of production for US manufacturers and could lead to a global slowdown for steel:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/steel-aluminum-prices-rise-on-u-s-tariffs-1527792759

[Chris]

^welp


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[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

^welp


1006309156385640450The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $8.4 billion in 2017.


Thanks for the link.

lol

[Winehole23]

it's as if Chris never reads anything longer than a tweet and never follows the link

[RandomGuy]

:lol Canada's citizens spoke for themselves in that poll he posted.

Canadians are starting to talk about boycotting American goods, and I am guessing this movement will be paralleled in Europe.

America's "brand" is becoming toxic for our businesses. As I have noted before perceptions of a country have quantifiable effects in terms of X dollars per percentage point of perception.

[RandomGuy]

the commies at the Wall Street Journal think tariffs are already raising the price of production for US manufacturers and could lead to a global slowdown for steel:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/steel-aluminum-prices-rise-on-u-s-tariffs-1527792759

They are. Layoffs in various industries that consume steel will start hitting whenever the current steel stocks start drying up, and have been if Marketplaces' reporting is accurate.

[Winehole23]

bifurcated impact:


“President Donald Trump’s tariff on imported solar panels has led U.S. renewable energy companies to cancel or freeze investments of more than $2.5 billion in large installation projects, along with thousands of jobs, the developers told Reuters. That’s more than double the about $1 billion in new spending plans announced by firms building or expanding U.S. solar panel factories to take advantage of the tax on imports. The tariff’s bifurcated impact on the solar industry underscores how protectionist trade measures almost invariably hurt one or more domestic industries for every one they shield from foreign competition.”https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1J30CT

[Chris]

Canadians are starting to talk about boycotting American goods, and I am guessing this movement will be paralleled in Europe.

America's "brand" is becoming toxic for our businesses. As I have noted before perceptions of a country have quantifiable effects in terms of X dollars per percentage point of perception.

Oh no! Guess I will buy exclusively from Aunt Jemima now.

[sickdsm]

Canadians are starting to talk about boycotting American goods, and I am guessing this movement will be paralleled in Europe.

America's "brand" is becoming toxic for our businesses. As I have noted before perceptions of a country have quantifiable effects in terms of X dollars per percentage point of perception.

Is that like Americans boycott of China products or Hollywood celebrities moving to Canada when Trump gets elected? Asking for a friend......

[SnakeBoy]

it's as if Chris never reads anything longer than a tweet and never follows the link

Did you read it?

[Winehole23]

actually yes, well beforehand, I believe i linked it too.

did you have a question?

[RandomGuy]

Oh no! Guess I will buy exclusively from Aunt Jemima now.

You understand we have a trade surplus with Canada, right?

[RandomGuy]

Is that like Americans boycott of China products or Hollywood celebrities moving to Canada when Trump gets elected? Asking for a friend......

:sleep

[sickdsm]

:sleep
That's pretty much my response to your Bouton's style spam shit posting as of late.......

[RandomGuy]

That's pretty much my response to your Bouton's style spam shit posting as of late.......

Either I am right, or I am wrong in pointing out that Canadians will want to boycott American goods and services.

I can see how people who don't like to take personal responsibility for things, might not like being reminded of consequences.

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

do you have a take on that, or are you content to be an MSM megaphone?

[Chris]

"You know jack and shit"

Go fuck yourself.

[Winehole23]

aw, you care.

too bad you don't have two thoughts to rub together in that drafty place where your brain should be.

[boutons_deux]

Tighten your belt, America—Trump'stariff backlash takes hold and consumer goods are skyrocketing (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/15/1772183/-Tighten-your-belt-America-Trump-s-tariff-backlash-takes-hold-and-consumer-goods-are-skyrocketing)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/553369/story_image/dishwasher.png?1529072795


From NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-administration-wrong-tariffs-trade-wars-experts-say-n852741) in early March:

“The losers are plentiful, and there are actually way more losers than winners.

The issue is that we’re not just talking about finished steel, but we’re talking about entire industries that use semi-finished steel to add value,” said Monica de Bolle, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

The tariffs were predicted to ripple through industries small and large. From mom and pop companies to giants like Boeing.


The range of products incorporating these materials, either directly or somewhere along the supply chain, means consumer-facing sectors of the economy could be hit especially hard, said Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy at the National Retail Federation.

“The other thing to remember for retailers is that it’s not just the products we sell, but it’s all of the equipment — between the buildings, the racks in the stores, the rebars in the distribution centers, the forklifts in the warehouse.”

The upshot, he said, could be lost jobs for workers and higher prices for customers.


Fast forward three months and the backlash to the tariffs are starting to take hold.

Korean companies LG and Samsung tried to get out in front of it by announcing plans to manufacture in the U.S. But, as noted by the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-tariffs-are-already-backfiring/2018/06/14/896b6c5a-700d-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.0a798871c010), those jobs are being supplemented by a flood of tax credits.

Real tariff consequences are unfolding as pricing for products like new washers and dryers have begun to spike, up 17% already. From the Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-tariffs-are-already-backfiring/2018/06/14/896b6c5a-700d-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.0a798871c010)


When you aggregate all those price increases across the 10 million washers sold annually in the United States,

consumers will collectively pay hundreds of thousands of dollars (https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-819-updated.pdf) per year for each job supposedly created or saved.

Which is many multiples of what factory workers typically earn.

And it’s not even clear how safe their jobs are at this point, given the rest of Trump’s trade agenda. After all, his tariffs didn’t stop with washing machines.

Those metal tariffs have left steel prices more than 50 percent higher (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-waging-a-trade-war-in-the-dumbest-way-possible/2018/06/07/88a2d302-6a96-11e8-bf8c-f9ed2e672adf_story.html?utm_term=.f3204386e7bc) in the United States than they are in China or Europe.

This is bad news for U.S. companies that purchase steel — including to manufacture washing machines, which are essentially big steel boxes.



Small business owner Bill Adler explain to WaPo how devastating the tariffs have already been on his business, with prices jumping 25-50% higher than what they were just six months ago.

auto industry experts are warning the tariffs will have dire consequences on the auto industry and U.S. jobs. As noted in this explainer video from the Financial Post, experts warn an estimated 195,000 U.S. jobs could be lost.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/15/1772183/-Tighten-your-belt-America-Trump-s-tariff-backlash-takes-hold-and-consumer-goods-are-skyrocketing

This is what all y'all rednecks, bubbas, racists voted for, right?

[Winehole23]

Trump will point to foreign countries and say: look what they're doing to us!

[Winehole23]

"You know jack and shit"

Go fuck yourself.


We will immediately take tariff measures of the same scale and intensity. All economic and trade outcomes of previous talks will now lose effect.so much for DJT's deal netting us 100s of billions.

poof.

[sickdsm]

Either I am right, or I am wrong in pointing out that Canadians will want to boycott American goods and services.

I can see how people who don't like to take personal responsibility for things, might not like being reminded of consequences.

The irony of you stating that someone self employed doesn't take personal responsibility is very thick.

What is your background?

[boutons_deux]

Why China 'holds all the aces' in a full-blown US-China trade war



The Trump administration announced on Friday it will impose a 25 percent tariff on up to $50 billion in Chinese goods in an effort to protect U.S. intellectual property and technology.



China in retaliation said it will introduce taxation measures of the same scale and strength.



The objective is to reduce the size of the U.S.--China trade deficit from an estimated $370 billion to $200 billion by 2020.
The administration says these alleged IP appropriations along with corporate espionage have cost the U.S. economy between $225 to $600 billion a year.
While this may hurt China in the short-term, it has other markets to sell to in Asia and elsewhere.


before evaluating the policy prescriptions for this problem,

we must first consider the starting point, which is flawed.

The current $370 billion deficit estimate does not account for value-added.

When looking at the value-added content of Chinese exports,

the U.S. deficit with China is actually only half of what it seems.

And if we then add back the U.S. surplus in "invisibles" and

how much money the United States brings back from investments in China,

the U.S.–China deficit shrinks from 2 percent of U.S. GDP to 0.8 percent,

a report from Oxford Economics revealed. (https://www.uschina.org/sites/default/files/Oxford%20Economics%20US%20Jobs%20and%20China%20Tra de%20Report.pdf)


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/15/why-china-holds-all-the-aces-in-a-full-blown-us-china-trade-war.html

[RandomGuy]

The irony of you stating that someone self employed doesn't take personal responsibility is very thick.

What is your background?

Meh, just fuckin with ya. Withdrawn as unfair comment.

I like giving people who identify as "conservative" (ish) shit about self responsibility, because turning a trope back on people can be fun.

[sickdsm]

Meh, just fuckin with ya. Withdrawn as unfair comment.

I like giving people who identify as "conservative" (ish) shit about self responsibility, because turning a trope back on people can be fun.
Translation: You give knee jerk responses based on political leaning without thinking of the actual facts.

[Winehole23]

trade talks have collapsed, Trump threatens $200B in additional tariffs

[Winehole23]

are trade deficits bad for the economy?

if not, why are they bad?


But are trade deficits necessarily bad for the U.S. economy?

The answer is no. Trade deficits are not a sign of unfair trade practices or a lack of American “competitiveness.” Trade deficits are caused by factors in the macroeconomy that are not directly related to trade. To understand why, journalists should borrow a technique from investigative reporting and “follow the money.”

When Americans buy imports, foreigners must do something with the dollars they earn. They can either use the dollars to buy American exports or to invest in American assets, such as Treasury bills, stocks, real estate, and factories.

If the amount of investment capital entering the U.S. exceeds the amount flowing Out, the extra dollars entering the country can then be used by Americans to buy imports over and above the amount we could buy merely from what we earn by selling exports. So a current account deficit is simply the mirror image of a capital account surplus.

In the global economy, some countries, such as the United States, are net importers of capital and thus run a trade deficit. Others, such as Japan, are net capital exporters because domestic savings exceed domestic investment. The excess savings these capital exporters send abroad returns to their home market to purchase exports, creating a trade surplus.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/are-trade-deficits-really-bad-news

[RandomGuy]

Translation: You give knee jerk responses based on political leaning without thinking of the actual facts.

Guilty as charged. One of my worst qualities, and something I try to change here and there to be a better person. FWIW: You are one of the few here I have any modicum of respect for at this point. I think most conservatives have sold their souls to the Trump party in one way or another.

[RandomGuy]

trade talks have collapsed, Trump threatens $200B in additional tariffs

Deregulation of financial markets... irrational exuberance, trade tariff wars...

Why does this all sound familiar?

[boutons_deux]

Guilty as charged. One of my worst qualities, and something I try to change here and there to be a better person. FWIW: You are one of the few here I have any modicum of respect for at this point. I think most conservatives have sold their souls to the Trump party in one way or another.

whoa, I don't go that far, but sickd is one the few rightwingnutjobs I don't have on ignore.

[SnakeBoy]

are trade deficits bad for the economy?

if not, why are they bad?

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/are-trade-deficits-really-bad-news

Do you agree with Griswold's rosy view of the globalized economy?

[RandomGuy]

Do you agree with Griswold's rosy view of the globalized economy?


Globalization is really just shorthand for expanding economic liberty across international borders. The debate it has spawned is the repackaging, on a global scale, of the long-running argument over whether the way to prosperity is through free markets or centralized government planning, or some “third way” between the two. If you believe free markets unleash forces that are destructive to human happiness and must be controlled by active government intervention, you will tend to see globalization as a threat. If you believe that free markets, operating within a rule of law, are essentially self- regulating and lead, in the words of Adam Smith, “as if by an invisible hand” to a greater general prosperity, then you will tend to see globalization as a blessing.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/blessings-challenges-globalization

Seems about right, even 20 years on. Pointedly noted that his essay doesn't mention China, which in 2000 was still a closed off backwater. Seems like no few of his points proved remarkably prescient on that basis.

[sickdsm]

The fact that you two, among others, refer to me as right wing nut job and conservative should show some perspective as to how far left of center you actually are. Didn't vote for Trump, no GOP candidates that had a chance were of interest to me. Was an Obama supporter during the first term election etc.


"But I'M the right wing nut job"

[Winehole23]

i DIDNT CALL ANYONE A NUT JOB

[sickdsm]

i DIDNT CALL ANYONE A NUT JOB

Feeling insecure?

[Winehole23]

Do you agree with Griswold's rosy view of the globalized economy?WITH THE 20 YEARS AGO CATO INSTITUTE TAKE? OF COURSE NOT. MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION SUGGESTS GLOBALIZATION MIGHT BE BAD FOR REASONS OTHER THAN THE EFFECT ON AGGREGATE DEMAND.

[Winehole23]

Feeling insecure?HARDLY. YOU'RE THE ONE FISHING WITH JUST A BARE HOOK IN THE SPACE FORCE THREAD

[sickdsm]

HARDLY. YOU'RE THE ONE FISHING WITH JUST A BARE HOOK IN THE SPACE FORCE THREAD

You on some drugs? I was referencing random and Bou calling me conservative and rightwingnutjob in this thread.

Rent free.

[Winehole23]

I WISH I WAS

[Chris]

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[Blake]

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"There is a catch, however. Europe also wants a 25 percent tax on imported pickup trucks, SUVs and big vans scrapped, according to the report. That tax has been in place since the Johnson administration and scrapping it could alienate U.S. auto workers, a key constituency for President Donald Trump."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/germany-will-offer-to-scrap-the-eus-10-percent-tax-on-us-autos-report.html

[boutons_deux]

"There is a catch, however. Europe also wants a 25 percent tax on imported pickup trucks, SUVs and big vans scrapped, according to the report.

:lol

[Blake]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-up-over-100-points-as-trade-fears-ebb-for-now-2018-06-20

"the Dow struggled to hold on to gains and break its six-day losing streak.

Recent trade has been driven by uncertainty surrounding trade policy, which has colored investor sentiment since March.

"

[boutons_deux]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-up-over-100-points-as-trade-fears-ebb-for-now-2018-06-20

"the Dow struggled to hold on to gains and break its six-day losing streak.

Recent trade has been driven by uncertainty surrounding trade policy, which has colored investor sentiment since March.

"

"some" say the stock market is ridiculously overvalued, worse than '29, '00, '07

[Pavlov]

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[Winehole23]

timestamps almost simultaneous

[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

Big Dog will break them and Germany will be the first to break

Germany’s Largest Auto Makers Back Abolition of EU-U.S. Car Import Tariffs
https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-largest-auto-makers-back-abolition-of-eu-u-s-car-import-tariffs-1529492027

[pgardn]

Globalists!

I blame Marco Polo and things that float.

[Spurminator]

Big Dog will break them and Germany will be the first to break

Germany’s Largest Auto Makers Back Abolition of EU-U.S. Car Import Tariffs
https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-largest-auto-makers-back-abolition-of-eu-u-s-car-import-tariffs-1529492027

SnakeBoy sees Chris's posting style and thinks, "I want to be more like that guy."

:lol sad

[Chris]

SnakeBoy sees Chris's posting style and thinks, "I want to be more like that guy."

:lol sad

He coined the term.

I can link you to the transcript. :lol

[Chris]

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[SnakeBoy]

He coined the term.

I can link you to the transcript. :lol

Nah, I just read a post article

Trump’s alpha dog strategy is making the world fall into line
https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/trumps-alpha-dog-strategy-is-making-the-world-fall-into-line/

Best line...


How does he do it? Simple: the Big Dog takes what he wants.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump Turns Tide on Chinese Theft by Trade
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump-turns-tide-chinese-theft-by-trade-26323

[Pavlov]

SnakeBoy got his marching orders today.

[SnakeBoy]

, later expanding to $50 billion. That will only affect about ten percent of what America im

[SnakeBoy]

treet. It requires China to open its markets—with a fifth of the world’s population, poten

[Pavlov]

Are you a bot?

[boutons_deux]

Tariffs on Chinese goods threaten Southern California ports and could ripple through to consumers

About 40% of U.S. imports shipped in containers moves through the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach,

supporting hundreds of thousands of jobs throughout Southern California. Shipments in and out have been rising this year, especially those from China.

“If there is one location that is going to be affected more in the United States, it is going to be the greater Los Angeles region,” said Stephen Cheung, president of the nonprofit World Trade Center Los Angeles.

The Trump administration has blamed trade imbalances for hollowing out America’s factories.

(Many economists disagree;

a brief from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis laid 85% of the blame (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-fed-trade-20180612-story.html) for lost factory jobs since the 1970s on rapidly rising factory efficiency, not the U.S. trade deficit.)

But globalization has proved a boon to Southern California’s ports and vast stretches of warehouses in the Inland Empire.

Last year, $173 billion in Chinese imports flowed through the ports,

The largest categories of goods include electronics, furniture, toys and clothing.

Exports to China are smaller, totaling $18 billion worth of auto parts, cotton, scrap material and more.

China accounts for about 50% of all the goods moving through the complex,

Longshore workers, with strong union protections, will fare better than most workers.

But many truck drivers and warehouse workers are independent contractors or employed by third-party temporary help agencies and are especially vulnerable to a drop-off in trade.

“You could see layoffs taking place very quickly,”

retailers are already spending time and money to examine their supply chain to see if they should source items from other countries.

But those decisions are further complicated by tariffs Trump has announced on other countries, as well as the renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico.

“You can’t shift on a dime,” Gold said.

“Not knowing where this administration is going to go or how they are going to get there is very concerning for folks.”

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ports-trade-impact-20180620-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

Repugs really know how to manage the economy, are so much better, more trusted on economics tha the Dems. :lol

I have no doubt that Trash has no clue how his base-pandering made-for-look-at-me-TV tariffs have on the economy, and his TV-dumb, ignorant, rural base certainly has no fucking idea.

[Winehole23]

DJT continues to lobby for ZTE:


President Donald Trump tasked Republican lawmakers on Wednesday with finding a way to crack down on Chinese telecom giant ZTE that doesn’t limit his negotiating power with China.
Cornyn said.
https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-trade

[sickdsm]

DJT continues to lobby for ZTE:

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia][B]https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-trade
Assuming Pavlov will be in here asking if your looking to buy a product from them.......

[spurraider21]

snakebot

[Pavlov]

Assuming Pavlov will be in here asking if your looking to buy a product from them.......Eh, you never answered.

[Chris]

:cry All Conservatives are bots :cry

[sickdsm]

Eh, you never answered.
Eh, you've never showed concern elsewhere.

[Pavlov]

Eh, you've never showed concern elsewhere.What more concern should I show?

ZTE phones have been banned by the military for having Chinese spyware in them.

What more do you want?

Be specific.

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1009861026198773766Yeah, those US tv manufacturers are just itching to break in to the Canadian market.

[Winehole23]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO ACT LIKE THE BIG DOG

[DMX7]

If you're going to risk a trade war you don't risk a multi-front trade war with every other country SIMULTANEOUSLY.

[DMX7]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO ACT LIKE THE BIG DOG

Trump wants us to believe that we have simultaneously the strongest economy in the history of the world and the most devastated/ripped-off country in the history of the world thanks to "bad trade deals".

[SnakeBoy]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO ACT LIKE THE BIG DOG

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO BE THE BIG DOG

[Pavlov]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO BE THE BIG DOGThen why does Trump worship Putin as the big dog?

[Chris]

Then why does Trump worship Putin as the big dog?

Link?

[Pavlov]

Link?Ceding Crimea. Wanting him back in the G7. Doing absolutely nothing to safeguard US elections. Never saying anything bad about him.

Why, Chris?

[Winehole23]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO BE THE BIG DOGHah, power of positive thinking woo woo.
.
how's that working for you?

you still believe in that rah rah shit?

[Chris]

Ceding Crimea. Wanting him back in the G7. Doing absolutely nothing to safeguard US elections. Never saying anything bad about him.

Why, Chris?

Linky linky. Chop chop.

[Pavlov]

Linky linky. Chop chop.

Nah, your complete ignorance of all these says it all.

Sorry. You aren't worth it.

[Blake]

Linky linky. Chop chop.

:lol every time you've been given a link you just ignore it and move on to a Chuck Woolery tweet

[CosmicCowboy]

Ceding Crimea. Wanting him back in the G7. Doing absolutely nothing to safeguard US elections. Never saying anything bad about him.

Why, Chris?
Uhhh Crimea was ceded under Obamas watch.

[Pavlov]

Uhhh Crimea was ceded under Obamas watch.Uhhh, ceding means giving up.

Trump gave up even the lip service against the Russian occupation.

[Chris]

CC with the devastating right hook :lol

[Pavlov]

:lol Trump started using Russian talking points justifying the occupation.

[CosmicCowboy]

Uhhh, ceding means giving up.

Trump gave up even the lip service against the Russian occupation.

Lol

Muh lip service!

[Pavlov]

Lol

Muh lip service!lol

Yeah, I guess it's better for Trump to fellate Putin openly for the world to see. That's the kind of lip service you will cheer on.

[boutons_deux]

"Obama ceded Crimea" ?

holy fuckin shit, you people are fuckin stupid.

America's fucked up military can't even beat the sand knitters anywhere (couldn't beat the VN black pajamas, either), over a decade and still can't "win", but Kosmic Parasite wanted Obama to fight Russia to save Crimea? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

"Obama ceded Crimea" ?

holy fuckin shit, you people are fuckin stupid.

America's fucked up military can't even beat the sand knitters anywhere (couldn't beat the VN black pajamas, either), over a decade and still can't "win", but Kosmic Parasite wanted Obama to fight Russia to save Crimea? :lol

Agree. So he ceded Crimea. Tell Chump.

[Pavlov]

lol CC still doesn't want to understand anything

Just like any old Trump supporter.

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol.

You are the one that brought up Crimea.

Dont like it getting shoved back up your ass? Get your talking points straight.

[boutons_deux]

Nails, peanut butter, cranberries, too

Lobsters, Small-Batch Whiskey and Trump’s Trade War

Business owners across the country are fearing the worst and wondering if Mr. Trump, who calls himself a master negotiator, will get the better end of the deal. Here are the ways several American products are being affected.

Nails

Mid Continent, the largest American producer of nails, imports steel from Mexico to make its nails. That steel is now subject to the 25 percent tariffs that Mr. Trump imposed on dozens of countries, forcing Mid Continent to raise its prices by nearly 20 percent.

Orders have plummeted by 50 percent this month as the company tries to compete with cheaper foreign-made nails. Those foreign manufacturers are not facing higher steel costs, giving them an advantage over Mid Continent.
The company, which employs about 500 workers, has already cut 60 jobs. It could potentially cut 200 more in the coming weeks.

“Now here is an action he decides to take that has the potential to cost 500 U.S. citizens their jobs.”

Whiskey

“We are just launching into the European market now in a big way, and this could be the worst possible timing for us,” Mr. Harris said. “We’re probably going to see all of our European sales now come to a screeching halt.”

A self-described free-trade Republican, Mr. Harris is disappointed with the path that his party has taken on trade.

“I remember just two years ago we were talking about pushing hard for the Trans-Pacific Partnership so we could open markets in Asia, but all of that has just been turned upside down,” Mr. Harris said. “It really is quite puzzling.”

Lobster

China is expected to impose an additional 25 percent tariff on American lobster

Mr. Trump’s policy was having the unintended effect of further helping Canada’s lobster market, which doesn’t face the same duties when selling to China. And Canadian sellers were already benefiting (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/business/trump-trade-lobster-canada.html)from a new trade agreement with the European Union that slashed tariffs for them.

China buys about a fifth of American lobster exports, Ms. Tselikis said, and the value of those exports has nearly tripled in the last two years to $137 million.

“At this point it’s really about American jobs.”

Cranberries

Now cranberry farmers are an unlikely victim of a trade war, in large part because Wisconsin is one of the world’s biggest cranberry producers and is the home state of Representative Paul D. Ryan, the Republican speaker of the House.

the European Union has included cranberries among the items subject to new tariffs that took effect this week, and the industry is about to feel the pain.

Peanut Butter

it is peanut farmers in Republican-leaning states like Georgia, Alabama, Florida and Mississippi who could struggle the most.

The United States and China are the biggest peanut butter exporters in the world, according to the Department of Agriculture, and European tariffs would likely give China an edge in expanding its market share.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-war.html?partner=rss&emc=rss (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-war.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)

Trash is killing jobs behind his wall of LIES

[boutons_deux]

All of the EU’s anti-Trump tariffs

The US trade war with the world is well underway. In retaliation for Washington’s levy of duties on aluminum and steel from the European Union, the 28-country trading bloc has now imposed a plethora of tariffs (https://apnews.com/75af4fe2965c4903885d082aec4dbb5e) on hundreds of US goods.

Here is a look at all 340 products affected, divided into two lengthy lists.

The first shows the American exports that will face extra tariffs to retaliate against US duties on “carbon and alloy” (https://qz.com/1312466/eu-tariffs-all-of-the-us-products-that-will-have-higher-duties/#eu-trade-carball) products.

The second includes the remaining aluminum and steel products (https://qz.com/1312466/eu-tariffs-all-of-the-us-products-that-will-have-higher-duties/#eu-trade-ans).

https://qz.com/1312466/eu-tariffs-all-of-the-us-products-that-will-have-higher-duties/

[Pavlov]

Lol.

You are the one that brought up Crimea.

Dont like it getting shoved back up your ass? Get your talking points straight.It is straight and unchanged, your gay fantasies nonwithstanding.

lol

[Chris]

1010481479279923201

[Blake]

It's just dismissive noise now when Trump brags about something.

[Chris]

It's just dismissive noise now when Trump brags about something.

That cognitive dissonance thingy.

[Blake]

That cognitive dissonance thingy.

That blind boot licking thingy

[sickdsm]

You’re as stupid as the little boys you molest are innocent.

You’re a soulless valueless cocksucker Sandusky wannabe who serves the same amount of purpose as spurt. You defend the indefensible, and when you’re a worthless rotting corpse people will rejoice

Bet you that you thought that sounded really good in your head when you came up with that, too bad..

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Trade War Backfires And Sends His Supporters Toward Bankruptcy

Trump’s trade war is hitting the agricultural Midwest hard as

farmers in eight of the top ten soybean producing states that voted for Trump are

going to be looking at bankruptcy as they are already being hurt by Trump’s trade war with China.

Trump supporters are getting what they deserve

If anyone voted for Donald Trump and didn’t expect this to happen, they are getting what they deserve.

Trump was consistent about his views on immigration and trade.

As a candidate, Trump openly ached for a trade war.

Did these farmers think that the guy who complained that America was getting screwed on trade and called Mexicans rapists was not going to hurt them economically?

Anyone who is surprised by this deserves the economic consequences.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/24/trumps-trade-war-supporters-bankruptcy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/24/trumps-trade-war-supporters-bankruptcy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[boutons_deux]

Gadget makers are bracing for Trump’s trade war

Trump’s tariffs could spell doom for small hardware startups

That looming trade war has particularly severe consequences for gadget startups.

Often borne out of crowdfunding campaigns, these companies have typically played American demand against Chinese manufacturing know-how, focusing on emerging products like smartwatches, VR controllers and the Internet of Things.

The incoming tariffs make that approach both riskier and less profitable, potentially requiring an entire industry to rethink where it makes its goods.

“Everyone’s thinking about it, and what’s a solution that’s sustainable and legal,”

says Nima CEO Shireen Yates.

Her company, which manufactures a portable gluten tester, is a prime example of the kind of small hardware venture that could suffer as trade barriers go up.

“Our distributors are thinking about it, everyone in the supply chain is aware of it. It’s too early but the uncertainty of it is daunting.”

In other cases, the new tariffs could complicate supply for components that are already heavily in demand.

Shawn Chang, a vice president at a manufacturing consulting firm called Dragon Innovation, says

he’s particularly concerned about the impact on the capacitor market.

“Everything from Tesla cars to the IoT devices we use every day, to our cell phone... all of it is eating up capacitors enormously,” Chang says.

“It’s really hard to buy capacitors right now, and it doesn’t help to have 25 percent [tariffs] on top of that.”

For any products where China is the dominant supplier,

there may be little choice but to pass costs along to the consumer,

with potentially serious impacts for hardware startups.

“With today’s global supply chains,

consumers and smaller companies often end up being the pawns and footing the bill of trade disputes,”

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/17480926/trump-tariff-china-trade-war-tech-manufacturing

I suppose the smart people in startups, etc weren't Trash voters, so them not voting for Trash in 2020 will have no effect.

[boutons_deux]

Harley-Davidson Slammed by Trump’s Trade War

In a federal filing Monday morning, Harley-Davidson Inc. (NYSE: HOG) said that the tariff on motorcycles exported from the United States to Europe will rise from a current 6% to 31% and add an average of $2,200 to the price of a Harley in Europe.

The tariff was implemented in retaliation for U.S. President Trump’s 25% tariff on European steel imports.

The company has decided to eat the cost of the tariffs.

Calling the tariffs “a tremendous cost increase,” Harley-Davidson said that passing the cost along to dealers and retail customers

“would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact” on its European business.

To stem the loss, Harley-Davidson plans to shift production for motorcycles destined for EU markets from the U.S. to its international facilities.

The company said it would take at least nine to 18 months to complete the shift and will require “incremental investment.”

Harley did not comment on a potential loss of U.S. jobs.

https://247wallst.com/industrials/2018/06/25/harley-davidson-slammed-by-trumps-trade-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FRyNm+%2824%2F7+Wall +St.%29

[sickdsm]

Trump’s Trade War Backfires And Sends His Supporters Toward Bankruptcy

Trump’s trade war is hitting the agricultural Midwest hard as

farmers in eight of the top ten soybean producing states that voted for Trump are

going to be looking at bankruptcy as they are already being hurt by Trump’s trade war with China.

Trump supporters are getting what they deserve

If anyone voted for Donald Trump and didn’t expect this to happen, they are getting what they deserve.

Trump was consistent about his views on immigration and trade.

As a candidate, Trump openly ached for a trade war.

Did these farmers think that the guy who complained that America was getting screwed on trade and called Mexicans rapists was not going to hurt them economically?

Anyone who is surprised by this deserves the economic consequences.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/24/trumps-trade-war-supporters-bankruptcy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/24/trumps-trade-war-supporters-bankruptcy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)




As of Friday's close November Soybeans were higher than they were a year ago. June 23rd 2017 Soybeans hit 9.07. They closed Friday at 9.16...

[boutons_deux]

So soybean farmers are not, will not be affected by Trash's trade war?

[sickdsm]

So soybean farmers are not, will not be affected by Trash's trade war?

Article said they are getting what they deserved. Since it was dated over the weekend it seems to imply that prices has dropped drastically beyond the norm even though they were higher than a year ago.

You seem to be avoiding that info, while twisting my statement around Cathy Newman style.

[boutons_deux]

Article said they are getting what they deserved. Since it was dated over the weekend it seems to imply that prices has dropped drastically beyond the norm even though they were higher than a year ago.

You seem to be avoiding that info, while twisting my statement around Cathy Newman style.

I avoid no info

you avoid answering: So soybean farmers are not, will not be affected by Trash's trade war?

[sickdsm]

I avoid no info

you avoid answering: So soybean farmers are not, will not be affected by Trash's trade war?




Everything is affected. Volitility makes more money than stagnant prices. I'm rooting for another $1 less. I have 30k bushels hedged at a $1.20 above market, yet I'm a soybean farmer. How can it be that I can lift my hedges at any time and make a good profit? The article clearly says that Southeast farmers are going to do bankrupt. Please explain. Anyone in any business that doesn't lock in inputs or sales when a good opportunity presents itself should be weeded out by the free market.

[boutons_deux]

Wisconsin cheese industry in danger due to Trump tariffs, producers may be 'dumping milk in fields' (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/25/1775229/-Wisconsin-cheese-industry-in-danger-due-to-Trump-tariffs-producers-may-be-dumping-milk-in-fields)

From the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/business/trump-trade-war-cheese-exports.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytpolitics):

“If export markets get shut off,

I could see us getting to the point where we’re dumping our milk in the fields,” said Jeff Schwager, the president of Sartori Company,

which has produced cheese in a nearby town for generations with milk it purchases from more than 100 dairy farms throughout Wisconsin.

“It’ll be a big ripple effect through the state.”



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1775229

[sickdsm]

Avoid direct question, continue shit posting editorials.

[Blake]

Avoid direct question, continue shit posting editorials.

What was your direct question

[Chris]

Avoid direct question, continue shit posting editorials.

Put him/her on ignore. It will save you from scrolling and having to endure the disgusting vitriol.

[sickdsm]

What was your direct question

This time it was this.


I have 30k bushels hedged at a $1.20 above market, yet I'm a soybean farmer. How can it be that I can lift my hedges at any time and make a good profit? The article clearly says that Southeast farmers are going to do bankrupt. Please explain.



The other 30 times it has been me asking what he does for a living or his/her background

[Winehole23]

Put him/her on ignore. It will save you from scrolling and having to endure the disgusting vitriol.prudent, avuncular Chris deserves to be put on ignore.

wtf did you do with regular Chris?

[Chris]

prudent, avuncular Chris deserves to be put on ignore.

wtf did you do with regular Chris?

You can't just cut and paste random adjectives. This is nonsense.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump Knows The US Holds a Winning Hand on Trade


Trump knows when to hold ‘em and knows when to fold ‘em, knows when to walk away and knows when to run, as Kenny Rogers advised all poker players. He was holding a losing hand when it came to handling the children brought to America illegally by mothers crossing the border illegally, so he folded ‘em. But when it comes to trade policy he knows he is holding a winning hand—and intends to force the other players in this high-stakes game to pay up.

First come tariffs on steel (25 percent) and aluminum (10 percent), mostly imported from America’s allies. Canada will be hardest hit. The Toronto-based Howe Institute estimates that the steel and aluminum tariffs will cost Canada 6,000 jobs and cut its annual GDP by $8 billion. Two-thirds of Canada’s trade is with the United States, 85 percent of its auto exports go to America, and a considerable number of the industry’s 130,000 workers will be out of work if Trump goes through with his threat to raise U.S. duties on imported autos from 2.5 percent to 20 percent.

Prime minister Justin Trudeau is between a rock (Trump) and a hard place (his farmer-constituents, protected by a 270 percent tariff on dairy products) as he tries to negotiate a NAFTA deal while also retaliating to Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs. Laura Dawson, the Canadian who heads the Canada Institute in Washington says “Canada is going to have to make some concessions.” But Trudeau had little choice but to retaliate.

Nor did the European Union, which made the decision to retaliate despite Angela Merkel’s preference for suing for peace. Germany’s economy is heavily dependent on its auto industry, which employs 117,000 workers, and exports about 800,000 vehicles per year—323,000 of them to the United States. It is shielded from foreign competition by the E.U.’s 10 percent duty on auto imports. Daimler has already issued a profit warning because of the U.S. threat, and the Ifo Institute, a Munich-based think tank, estimates that U.S. tariffs on automobiles would lower German GDP by €5 billion, or 0.16 percent of GDP. “No other country would suffer higher absolute losses from such a tariff as Germany,” says Gabriel Felbermayr, director of the Ifo Center for International Economics. Merkel just doesn’t have enough chips to get into a serious game of raise and re-raise with America.

Which is why the German auto industry is proposing the elimination by the E.U. and the U.S. of all duties on most vehicles, an idea that never entered the heads of German automakers when their tariff was almost five times America’s. Now that Trump is threatening to see their 10 percent and raise it to 20 percent (to continue the poker analogy) VW, BMW, Mercedes, et al. are born-again free traders. Whether they speak for their E.U. partners—the E.U. alone has authority to negotiate for its members—is uncertain.

That was a warm-up, low-stakes game, preliminary to a high-stakes effort to upend a trading order that Trump says seriously disadvantages America. Across that table sits Xi Jinping’s communist China. Trump’s opening bid there is a 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of Chinese goods, covering 1,102 product categories that XI is promoting as part of his “Made in China 2025” plan to dominate industries of the future. China called Trump’s bet, retaliating by threatening duties on 659 goods valued at $50 billion, including cars, crude oil, and soy beans, and unloosing its controlled media: Trump is “capricious . . . squanders the country’s reputation . . . rude, unreasonable, selfish.” Not very different from the mainstream American press’s treatment of the president.

Serious poker players regard this opening round as penny-ante stuff. Fifty billion dollars is less than half of one percent of the GDPs of both countries. But the betting and the risks are getting interesting. Trump has put on the table chips representing a 10 percent levy on $200 billion of Chinese goods, doubled to $400 billion if China retaliates. Also coming soon will be bans on exports of U.S. high-tech products to China, unless the regime ends its theft of intellectual property.

Unless the parties agree to call off the game before the next cards are dealt, we will soon find out which player has the most chips. If Trump is a cool enough player to ignore whining by some American firms, he has the chips with which to win. Here’s why:

China’s exports to the United States come to almost 4 percent of its GDP, while U.S. exports to China equal only 0.7 percent of U.S. GDP. As consultants the Lindsey Group point out, “A tit-for-tat trade war has an impact on China that is six times that on America.”
The U.S. economy is in rude good health, while China is the throes of an effort to reduce the massive debt overhang that is beginning to stifle its growth. That creates “a strain on the top leadership as it tries to fend off a trade war with the U.S.,” Diana Cheyleva, chief economist with London-based Enodo Economics, told the New York Times.
China is having difficulty finding U.S. stuff to penalize. It has exempted LNG from tariffs because it desperately needs imports from the United States to fuel its economy. If it cancels orders now with Boeing, it will have a five-year wait to get on the books of Airbus. Tariffs on U.S. agricultural products drive up food costs in China.

In short, America can win this game. Whether the president can draft a peace treaty that accomplishes his primary goal of ending China’s massive theft of U.S. intellectual property and subsidization of the industries it is positioning to dominate the future is another question. Getting China to promise something and getting China to do something are not quite the same thing. In response to pressure from Trump, Xi promised to liberalize access to its securities market. Then comes the fine print—to qualify a firm must have at about $16 billion in assets, a threshold only very few firms can cross.

Looking at his hand, Trump is convinced that, as songwriter Leonard Cohen puts it, he has drawn the card that is so high and wild he will never have to draw another to earn the acclaim he so badly needs. As Ronald Reagan put it when asked his strategy against our major adversary at the time, “We win, they lose.”

Americans would even forgive Trump the inevitable claim that he invented that phrase.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/trumps-trade-war-really-might-be-easy-to-win

Big Dog

[DMX7]

How embarrassing.... Please, stop all that winning, Mr. President. We can't take it anymore, just like you said.

1011360410648416258

[boutons_deux]

"I fought hard for them"

bone spurs weren't a problem, so-called Pres Space Cadet?

Specifics about your "fight", no just bullshit

[boutons_deux]

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes ‘like never before’ and predicts its eventual collapse


President Trump on Tuesday threatened the iconic motorcycle company Harley-Davidson with severe taxes and

predicted a public revolt that he said would eventually put the 115-year-old firm out of business,

blasting the Wisconsin company for a plan to move some operations outside the United States as a way to avoid getting caught in the middle of an escalating trade war.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never!

Their employees and customers are already very angry at them.

If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit!

The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!

7:17 AM - Jun 26, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011584315040419840)





Trump also accused Harley-Davidson, without providing any evidence, of intentionally misleading Americans by saying the firm was moving some operations out of the United States in response to new tariffs imposed by the European Union.

The intensity of these attacks, which he typically reserves for political opponents, came in Twitter posts.

He alleged that Harley-Davison’s Monday announcement that it would move some more operations outside the United States was long planned

and that it was using Europe’s new tariffs as an excuse.

He threatened to hit the company with an unspecified tax if it attempted to sell motorcycles in the United States that were made outside the country.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Early this year Harley-Davidson said they would move much of their plant operations in Kansas City to Thailand.

That was long before Tariffs were announced.

Hence, WTF! :lol they were just using Tariffs/Trade War as an excuse.

Shows how unbalanced & unfair trade is, but we will fix it.....

6:16 AM - Jun 26, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011568906992017408)



Harley-Davidson had long planned to open a new plant in Thailand, a decision that predated the trade war between Trump and the leaders of a number of other countries.

But the firm said Monday that it was shifting more production overseas specifically to blunt the impact of the tariffs imposed by Europe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/06/26/trump-threatens-harley-davidson-with-taxes-like-never-before-and-eventual-collapse/?utm_term=.d59cd69c6f47&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

What about Repugs' hating "picking winners and losers" and "free enterprise" ? :lol

[Pavlov]

Shick one of seven companies to get tariff waivers.

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Tariff Waivers: Another Source of Welfare for Donald Trump, His Family and Their Friends

Donald Trump may not be very good at running the government for the benefit of the people who live in the country (or the world),

but he sure knows how to use it to enrich himself and his friends.

The NYT apparently forgot to mention this fact in a piece (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/trump-tariff-waivers.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) on companies applying for exemptions to tariffs.

When countries impose tariffs or other import restrictions they usually allow for some exemptions in special cases.

One of the reasons that economists generally are opposed to tariffs is that these exemptions create enormous opportunities for corruption.

Imagine that someone importing $50 million in steel faced a 25 percent tariff.

She would save $12.5 million if she could get an exemption.

Many businesspeople would be happy to share a portion,

perhaps a very substantial proportion, of this $12.5 million in savings with the politician(s) who made it possible.

This could mean campaign contributions, sweetheart contracts with their businesses, or even outright cash payments.

It is very plausible that

the Trump family and/or others in his administration, who have shown an open contempt for ethics norms,

plan to profit personally from granting these tariff exemptions.

It would have been worth mentioning this possibility in this piece.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/06/26/tariff-waivers-another-source-of-welfare-for-donald-trump-his-family-and-their-friends/

================

Companies Get First Tariff Waivers, but Many More Are Left in Limbo

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/trump-tariff-waivers.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


Does anybody doubt that corrupt shitbag Trash and his corrupt family would refuse $Ms in exchange for tariff waivers?

[boutons_deux]

Trump Appears to Retreat on Chinese Trade Restrictions (http://track.cordial.io/c/275:5b33624becc7602d6161d418:ot:591df78bac0c811781 a7041f:1/c2a6ff2f/5bf318d6330c7c3ae8496e2e9be706fc//)






The White House has been promising to roll out new investment restrictions on China by the end of this month, leading to a market tumble in recent days.

But yesterday, while President Trump maintained that “people come and steal” American technology,

he said investment rules could be handled by the existing Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. —

which has just been awarded new powers by Congress to review Chinese tech investments.

It’s seen as

a victory for administration figures who have attempted to cool Trump’s burgeoning trade war (https://track.cordial.io/c/275:5b33624becc7602d6161d418:ot:591df78bac0c811781 a7041f:1/3da80872/05949587e1c73dd396c71be2a8b77975//).





SOURCES: WSJ (SUB) (http://track.cordial.io/c/275:5b33624becc7602d6161d418:ot:591df78bac0c811781 a7041f:1/19292940/62e354ec503fb4d25e48fe181622a3c1//), FT (SUB) (http://track.cordial.io/c/275:5b33624becc7602d6161d418:ot:591df78bac0c811781 a7041f:1/61aac8a0/0dcbc125c552d168e33a5ebdb54385a3//)

[boutons_deux]

President Trump announces a major U.S. Steel expansion — that isn’t happening :lol

“The head of U.S. Steel called me the other day, and he said, ‘We’re opening up six major facilities and expanding facilities that have never been expanded.’ They haven’t been opened in many, many years.”
— President Trump, roundtable with American workers (https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-roundtable-workers-duluth-minnesota-june-20-2018), Duluth, Minn., June 20, 2018

“U.S. Steel just announced they’re expanding or building six new facilities.”
— Trump, remarks at the White House (https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-lunch-members-congress-june-26-2018), June 26

“I’ve been hearing that from steel companies, and in particular from U.S. Steel, where I was with the president, as I said. And he — they’re just talking about opening plants now, and so many things have changed.”
— Trump, roundtable on tax reform (https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-roundtable-tax-reform-cleveland-ohio-may-5-2018), Cleveland, May 5

Here’s a puzzler:

Why is the president of the United States announcing the opening of new factories that a major U.S. company has not announced?

U.S. Steel is a publicly traded company,

so it is supposed to disclose materially important information (https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1163302/000116330218000023/x201833110q.htm#s45A06A09B1201758CB55DD9DAC16564D) .

The opening of six major facilities and the expansion of even more would be huge news.

Yet all U.S. Steel has announced is that it will restart two blast furnaces and steelmaking facilities (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/us-steel-planning-to-add-more-than-800-jobs-this-year.html) at the company’s Granite City Works integrated plant in Illinois — one in March and the other in October.

The reopening of the first blast furnace was announced in March, resulting in 500 jobs, and

the second was announced in June, adding 300. The plant had been closed since 2015.

Meghan M. Cox, U.S. Steel’s spokeswoman, simply offered this response:

“To answer your question,

we post all of our major operational announcements to our website and

report them on earnings calls.

Our most recent one pertained to our Granite City ‘A’ blast furnace restart.”

Translation:

The president is wrong. But apparently U.S. Steel is afraid to say that out loud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/28/president-trump-announces-a-major-u-s-steel-expansion-that-isnt-happening/?utm_term=.7e120da7284d&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Trash LIES, and his supporters are stupid, willfully ignorant fuckers who believe and support him.

[boutons_deux]

Pootin's foreign policy as executed by Trash

Trump has reportedly threatened to withdraw from the World Trade Organization '100 times'
(http://theweek.com/speedreads/782138/trump-reportedly-threatened-withdraw-from-world-trade-organization-100-times)
http://theweek.com/speedreads/782138/trump-reportedly-threatened-withdraw-from-world-trade-organization-100-times

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration considers major soybean welfare to protect farmers from Trump's trade war (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/27/1775877/-Trump-administration-considers-major-soybean-welfare-to-protect-farmers-from-Trump-s-trade-war)

The Trump administration is considering ways to help soybean farmers hit hard by China’s retaliation against Donald Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs, and

the leading proposal is the kind of thing that would have Trump screaming socialism if anyone suggested such a program to benefit low-income people.

Yes, the Trump administration is considering buying the soybeans China isn't (https://www.motherjones.com/food/2018/06/senator-chuck-grassley-trump-china-trade-war-subsidies-government/) to help prop up the farmers.

Even someone as practiced at Republican hypocrisy as Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley isn’t thrilled with this solution:

“I can also say that’s not what my farmers in Iowa want—help from the federal treasury,” Grassley told Politico.

And he “reiterated his displeasure with the idea to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross at the Senate hearing on the tariffs last week, ” the publication adds.

In other words, the large-scale farmers in states like Iowa, which Trump won in 2016, want an end to the trade wars—not more politically fraught government payouts (https://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=19000&statename=Iowa).


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/28/1776541/-Loans-of-over-1-Billion-to-Trump-by-SCOTUS-justice-Kennedy-s-son-but-nothing-to-see-here?detail=emaildkre

:lol what a fucking mess, typical Trash / Repug MISgovernance.

[boutons_deux]

‘Don’t get cute’: Trump is really sore about Harley-Davidson’s perceived lack of loyalty to him

Harley-Davidson announced its decision Monday, and nearly every day since, Trump has insulted them or threatened them. Most
remarkable of all, on Thursday, he flat-out begged them to bring production back to the United States.

“Harley-Davidson, please build those beautiful motorcycles in the USA, please. Okay,” :lol

Trump said in a speech in Wisconsin designed to champion his economic policies.

“Don't get cute with us. Don't get cute.” :lolhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/28/dont-get-cute-trump-is-really-sore-about-harley-davidsons-perceived-lack-of-loyalty-to-him/?ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__062918&noredirect=on&utm_term=.1101c216b885

... or else?

All y'all's adored hero is fuckin dickless, sicko fool

[boutons_deux]

'This Is Much Bigger than Harley': General Motors Shows How Trump's Trade War Could Deal a Devastating Blow to His Presidency

Obama saved General Motors — how will it look if Trump crushes it?

General Motors (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/business/automakers-tariffs-job-cuts.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news), a major employer in the Midwest, including in the critical state of Michigan, announced that Trump's tariffs will cause

“less investment,

fewer jobs and

lower wages”

for employees and

higher prices for customers.

The price of cars from General Motors could see increases of the thousands of dollars because of the tariffs, the company said.

The policy “could lead to a smaller GM,” the company said.

"Big business seems to be waking up to the possibility that Trump really will get us into a nasty trade war,"

said economist Paul Krugman (https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1012797058242301953).

"This is much bigger than Harley."

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/much-bigger-harley-general-motors-shows-how-trumps-trade-war-could-deal-1

[boutons_deux]

:lol Trash begging H-D, "please" stay, "please" don't go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iY2UpSz9Vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Z_hskvz1M

[boutons_deux]

Trump calls Europe “as bad as China” on trade

President Donald Trump called the European Union, a longtime American ally, “possibly just as bad as China” when it comes to trade

Trump slammed European countries for what he said are unfair trade practices and defended his decision to levy them and other allies with hefty steel and aluminium tariffs (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/31/17413172/trump-tariff-steel-aluminum-eu-canada-mexico).

“The European Union is possibly as bad as China, just smaller. It’s terrible what they do to us,” he said.

In 2017, the U.S. ran a $101 billion (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/us/politics/fast-check-trump-trade-deficit-european-union.html) trade deficit (http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news/economy/what-is-a-trade-deficit/index.html) in goods and services with the EU, compared with an approximate $336 billion gap (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/mar/28/donald-trump/did-us-have-500-billion-deficit-china-2017/) with China.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/1/17522984/europe-china-trade-war-trump (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/1/17522984/europe-china-trade-war-trump)

25th Amendment

[boutons_deux]

A second motorcycle company just threatened to join Harley Davidson in Trump retaliation

Polaris, the Minnesota-headquartered maker of off-road vehicles and

the parent company of iconic motorcycle brands Indian and Victory,

revealed yesterday that they are considering moving some motorcycle production from Iowa to Poland

to avoid having their European business being decimated by retaliatory tariffs.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/06/30/a-second-motorcycle-company-just-threatened-to-join-harley-davidson-in-trump-retaliation/

[boutons_deux]

Canada Slaps $12.5 Billion In Tariffs On US Goods As Trump Trade War Disaster Grows

tariffs 80 US produced products including steel, coffee beans, toffee, and maple syrup.

The trade war is a disaster, and if Trump continues to push it, the losers will be millions of jobless Americans, who will suffer because

Trump thought that trade wars are easy to win.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/01/canada-slaps-12-5-billion-in-tariffs-on-us-goods-as-trump-trade-war-disaster-grows.html

[Pavlov]

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It's called the FART Act.

Seriously.

The US FART Act.

[boutons_deux]

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It's called the FART Act.

Seriously.

The US FART Act.

It's Trash withdrawing from international agreements, organizations to weaken USA's influence, executing Pootin's foreign policy to degrade the USA

[boutons_deux]

Largest U.S. business group attacks Trump on tariffs

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s largest business group and customarily a close ally of President Donald Trump’s Republican Party, is launching a campaign on Monday to oppose Trump’s trade tariff policies.

With some of America’s tightest trading partners imposing retaliatory measures, Trump’s approach to tariffs has unsettled financial markets and strained relations between the White House and the Chamber.

The new campaign, detailed first to Reuters, is an aggressive effort by the business lobbying giant. Using a state-by-state analysis, it argues that Trump is risking a global trade war that will hit the wallets of U.S. consumers.
“The administration is threatening to undermine the economic progress

it worked so hard to achieve,” :lol worked hard? :lol

said Chamber President Tom Donohue in a statement to Reuters. “We should seek free and fair trade, but this is just not the way to do it.”


Canada struck back at U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs, vowing to impose punitive measures on $12.6 billion worth of American goods until Washington relents.

China is expected to impose a new 25-percent tax on soybeans in July.

Mexico is adding duties to pork imports.

The EU has targeted $3.2 billion in American goods exported to the 28-member bloc, including bourbon and Harley Davidson (HOG.N (https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=HOG.N)) motorcycles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-chamber-exclusive/exclusive-largest-u-s-business-group-attacks-trump-on-tariffs-idUSKBN1JS0VL?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[boutons_deux]

EU warns U.S. of major hit if car tariffs imposed

The European Union has warned the United States that imposing import tariffs on cars and car parts would harm its own automotive industry and

likely lead to counter-measures by its trading partners on $294 billion of U.S. exports.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-eu/eu-warns-u-s-of-major-hit-if-car-tariffs-imposed-idUSKBN1JS0R9?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

Trash getting his tiny orange dick stepped on by countries launching their own trade war counter attacks

[boutons_deux]

"It’s going to all work out,” Trump said Sunday, echoing his remarks earlier in the year that

trade wars are “easy to win.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-stands-firm-on-trade-even-as-foreign-tariffs-begin-kicking-in/2018/07/01/796142c2-7d6d-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8ad34cb06c52

[Blake]

Largest U.S. business group attacks Trump on tariffs

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s largest business group and customarily a close ally of President Donald Trump’s Republican Party, is launching a campaign on Monday to oppose Trump’s trade tariff policies.

With some of America’s tightest trading partners imposing retaliatory measures, Trump’s approach to tariffs has unsettled financial markets and strained relations between the White House and the Chamber.

The new campaign, detailed first to Reuters, is an aggressive effort by the business lobbying giant. Using a state-by-state analysis, it argues that Trump is risking a global trade war that will hit the wallets of U.S. consumers.
“The administration is threatening to undermine the economic progress

it worked so hard to achieve,” :lol worked hard? :lol

said Chamber President Tom Donohue in a statement to Reuters. “We should seek free and fair trade, but this is just not the way to do it.”


Canada struck back at U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs, vowing to impose punitive measures on $12.6 billion worth of American goods until Washington relents.

China is expected to impose a new 25-percent tax on soybeans in July.

Mexico is adding duties to pork imports.

The EU has targeted $3.2 billion in American goods exported to the 28-member bloc, including bourbon and Harley Davidson (HOG.N (https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=HOG.N)) motorcycles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-chamber-exclusive/exclusive-largest-u-s-business-group-attacks-trump-on-tariffs-idUSKBN1JS0VL?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29




"OTTAWA, Ontario (AP) — Canada began imposing tariffs Sunday on $12.6 billion in U.S. goods as retaliation for the Trump administration's new taxes on steel and aluminum imported to the United States.

Some U.S. products, mostly steel and iron, face 25 percent tariffs, the same penalty the United States slapped on imported steel at the end of May. Other U.S. imports, from ketchup to pizza to dishwasher detergent, will face a 10 percent tariff at the Canadian border, the same as America's tax on imported aluminum.

Trump had enraged Canada and other U.S. allies by declaring imported steel and aluminum a threat to America's national security and therefore a legitimate target for U.S. tariffs. Canada is the United States' second-biggest trading partner in goods, just behind China......"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-tariffs-us-goods-ketchup-175132537.html


I'm sure Trump bootlicks will still sing praise to their lord even when they see the increase on their grocery bills. They've proven to be that retarded.

[RandomGuy]

[op-ed saying how easy trade wars are for the US to win]Big Dog

Keep drinking the Koolaid. Please.

I'm sure it is good for you with vitamins and stuff.

I guess we will get to see how right you are, cost to farmers be damned. At least the wealthy will come out of any dust-ups with more money, amaright?

[RandomGuy]

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It's called the FART Act.

Seriously.

The US FART Act.

Amateur hour continues, unabated.

[boutons_deux]

The Dutch Prime Minister just publicly humiliated Trump by schooling him during press conference

Endlessly out-of-touch Trump said “a lot of good things” were happening in discussions with leaders of the European Union (EU)

amid the trade war of his own creation based on his concocted assessment that the U.S. was being treated “unfairly” by other countries.

“If we do work it out, that will be positive,” Trump started, before trying to pat himself on the back.

“And if we don’t, it will be positive also, because —”

That’s when a shocked but smiling Rutte interjected, “No.” :lol

“Just think about those cars that pour in here,” Trump barreled on. But Rutte didn’t let that slide.

“It’s not positive. We have to work something out,”

Rutte insisted as he glanced around the room with a look of, “can you believe this guy?”

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/ (https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/)

If you've every interacted with the Dutch, they are mostly straightforward, no BS, no sugar coating.

I'm sure Rutte gets lots of cheers in NL for saying "NO" to Trash's "positive" BULLSHIT

[RandomGuy]

The Dutch Prime Minister just publicly humiliated Trump by schooling him during press conference

Endlessly out-of-touch Trump said “a lot of good things” were happening in discussions with leaders of the European Union (EU)

amid the trade war of his own creation based on his concocted assessment that the U.S. was being treated “unfairly” by other countries.

“If we do work it out, that will be positive,” Trump started, before trying to pat himself on the back.

“And if we don’t, it will be positive also, because —”

That’s when a shocked but smiling Rutte interjected, “No.” :lol

“Just think about those cars that pour in here,” Trump barreled on. But Rutte didn’t let that slide.

“It’s not positive. We have to work something out,”

Rutte insisted as he glanced around the room with a look of, “can you believe this guy?”

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/ (https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/)

If you've every interacted with the Dutch, they are mostly straightforward, no BS, no sugar coating.

I'm sure Rutte gets lots of cheers in NL for saying "NO" to Trash's "positive" BULLSHIT




The Dutch have had it up to their eyeballs with Trump. Our embassador fucking embarrassed the shit out of us, and got called to the carpet by the free press over there.

[RandomGuy]

The Dutch Prime Minister just publicly humiliated Trump by schooling him during press conference

Endlessly out-of-touch Trump said “a lot of good things” were happening in discussions with leaders of the European Union (EU)

amid the trade war of his own creation based on his concocted assessment that the U.S. was being treated “unfairly” by other countries.

“If we do work it out, that will be positive,” Trump started, before trying to pat himself on the back.

“And if we don’t, it will be positive also, because —”

That’s when a shocked but smiling Rutte interjected, “No.” :lol

“Just think about those cars that pour in here,” Trump barreled on. But Rutte didn’t let that slide.

“It’s not positive. We have to work something out,”

Rutte insisted as he glanced around the room with a look of, “can you believe this guy?”

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/ (https://washingtonpress.com/2018/07/02/the-dutch-prime-minister-just-publicly-humiliated-trump-by-schooling-him-during-press-conference-watch/)

If you've every interacted with the Dutch, they are mostly straightforward, no BS, no sugar coating.

I'm sure Rutte gets lots of cheers in NL for saying "NO" to Trash's "positive" BULLSHIT




:rollin

Just saw the video...

[boutons_deux]

I worked with the Dutch lot, directness, even abruptness, is a national trait.

[boutons_deux]

White House says Trump willing to let economy crash and burn over his trade war (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/3/1777456/-White-House-says-Trump-willing-to-let-economy-crash-and-burn-over-his-trade-war)

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, in the midst of this, took to television Monday morning to say that it doesn’t matter what the economic repercussions were,

the White House was prepared to light every last one of you on fire in order

to make whatever point Donald thinks he’s making.

Sucks to be you, everyone (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/02/wilbur-ross-no-downside-level-in-stocks-to-change-trump-trade-policy.html?__source=twitter%7Cinternational).

"There's no bright line level of the stock market that's going to change policy," Ross said on "Squawk Box (https://www.cnbc.com/squawk-box-us/)."

"The president is trying to fix long-term problems that should have been fixed a long time ago."

"There is obviously going to be some pulling and tugging as we try to deal with very serious problems," he said.

"There will be some hiccups long the way." :lol


This is obviously very bad news,

because it means no matter how bad the signals from the stock market get,

Larry, Curly and Moe here say they’re convinced that

all the economic pain Trump’s trade war inflicts

will be offset later by the magical pixies these incompetent bumbling morons expect will someday appear,

after a whole heaping number of businesses and farms go under, Because Magic.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/3/1777456/-White-House-says-Trump-willing-to-let-economy-crash-and-burn-over-his-trade-war?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/3/1777456/-White-House-says-Trump-willing-to-let-economy-crash-and-burn-over-his-trade-war?detail=emaildkre)

So Russian-banker, corrupt Ross and Treasurer predatory-capitalist Munchkin agree to fuck up 100s of US companies, kill 1000s of jobs, for some unforeseeably long term benefit to whom?

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump, an idiot, says Harley-Davidson lost sales last year for fighting with him this year (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/3/1777697/-Donald-Trump-an-idiot-says-Harley-Davidson-lost-sales-last-year-for-fighting-with-him-this-year)

In our latest episode of The Worldwide Adventures of Idiot Manchild,

we learn that Donald Trump's former best friend now turned

hated enemy Harley-Davidson suffered reduced sales in 2017

because of something they did a year later.

That's right, attempting to keep your company afloat

after Donald Trump screws you is such a grave injury to Idiot Manchild that

it rips a hole in spacetime, causing you to lose business a year before any of it ever happened (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1014146835135516672).

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S.,

my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S.

Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017.

The U.S. is where the Action is!

9:00 AM - Jul 3, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1014146835135516672)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/3/1777697/-Donald-Trump-an-idiot-says-Harley-Davidson-lost-sales-last-year-for-fighting-with-him-this-year?detail=emaildkre

[Chris]

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[SnakeBoy]

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Germany will bend the knee. I've been saying it.

[Winehole23]

another F5 tweetstorm as powerful as butterfly wings.

Chris is simply pitiful, even with Snakeboi pushing him.

[RandomGuy]

Germany will bend the knee. I've been saying it.

:lmao

eight whole words, with a prediction even. So much delusion, so few words. Sokay, let's see what the Germans are actually saying.



Mit maßlosen Strafzöllen erklärt der US-Präsident ganz China zum Feind. Präsident Xi muss klüger handeln - und seinen Blick nach Europa wenden.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/trump-china-strafzoelle-kommentar-1.4043705

That isn't how it is playing out.

Germans have an alternative to the US, as does the rest of the world, as the above Kommentar points out.

"Das Problem ist freilich, dass Trump mit niemandem zurechtkommt und die Washingtoner Welt zerfällt."