Central America is Invading Mexico

[Pavlov]

Rate of crime is what is relevant.Total number of crimes is relevant.

[Spurtacular]

How many from the last caravan you didn't say you were afraid of actually entered the US, derp?

You will never answer.

:lmao Sociopath throws a tantrum to get his question answered exactly how he wants it and then doesn't accept that it's been answered.

[Spurtacular]

lol you said he's not stable.

I qualified that I didn't have an answer IIRC. Meanwhile, you did say he was stable all the same. Do you not trust your truth?

[Winehole23]

Rate of crime is what is relevant.I backed up my point, back up yours.

do you have any support for the claim that immigrants are more dangerous than US natives?

[Winehole23]

correlation over four decades: more immigration, less crime.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15377938.2016.1261057

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath throws a tantrum to get his question answered exactly how he wants it and then doesn't accept that it's been answered.How many from the last caravan you didn't say you were afraid of actually entered the US, derp?

You will never answer.

[Spurminator]

Nathan's confusing point, if I follow it correctly, is that white Americans are right to be concerned about the crime rate of immigrants because white Americans commit crimes at a lower rate than black Americans.

I mean, it makes no sense, but it does allow one to efficiently express paranoia about two different minority groups.

[Pavlov]

I qualified that I didn't have an answer IIRC.Why don't you have the answer, doctor? You make online diagnoses all the time.


Why can't you do so for kori, doctor?

[Pavlov]

Nathan's confusing point, if I follow it correctly, is that white Americans are right to be concerned about the crime rate of immigrants because white Americans commit crimes at a lower rate than black Americans.

I mean, it makes no sense, but it does allow one to efficiently express paranoia about two different minority groups.Dude is just terrified of brown people in general. Like most former Bernie Bros who turned to Trump.

[Winehole23]

while stoking his personal sense of grievance that white people are being unfairly picked on, it really does dovetail

[Spurminator]

while stoking his personal sense of grievance that white people are being unfairly picked on, it really does dovetail

True, it's a Persecuted White Male hat trick.

[Spurtacular]

How many from the last caravan you didn't say you were afraid of actually entered the US, derp?

You will never answer.

I did say. Read the answer this time.

[Spurtacular]

Why don't you have the answer, doctor? You make online diagnoses all the time.


Why can't you do so for kori, doctor?

I don't interact with him like you do. Are you mad that I'm not making rash judgments?

[Nathan89]

wrong again. illegal immigrants are incarcerated at a far lower rate than native citizens of any description.

I didn't say otherwise so I'm not "wrong again". It's is a bit ridiculous to say I should fear one of the safest demos in America.

Also why should we just look at illegals and not future generations? Illegals have pressure not to commit crimes. That pressure goes away as people become legal. And the Hispanic demo commits more crime than the white demo or Asian demo.

I haven't mentioned anything about crime in this thread but don't lead with bullshit fear mongering over people that want legal immigration. And use some statistical outlier nonsense for your argument plus your "magabomber" smear.

[Pavlov]

I did say. Read the answer this time.You didn't answer this question, derp.

Read the question this time.

[Pavlov]

I don't interact with him like you do. Are you mad that I'm not making rash judgments?:rollin All you do its make rash, knee-jerk judgments, derp.

[Nathan89]

Dude is just terrified of brown people in general. Like most former Bernie Bros who turned to Trump.

False. This a stupid talking point. I've never brought up crime rate as reasoning for them not to be here.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/1055522513042714625?s=20

Like I said I would not want a bunch of white Europeans invading our country either.

[Pavlov]

False. This a stupid talking point. I've never brought up crime rate as reasoning for them not to be here.Why the hell are you talking about crime then?

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/1055522513042714625?s=20

Like I said I would not want a bunch of white Europeans invading our country either.They can't change the Constitution, so why are you terrified of them too?

You're just a big bag of fear.

[Winehole23]

I didn't say otherwise so I'm not "wrong again". It's is a bit ridiculous to say I should fear one of the safest demos in America. That demo is more way more likely to be jailed than illegal immigrants, so statistically speaking, you do have more to fear from white Americans.


Also why should we just look at illegals and not future generations? lol Nathan 89, pre-crime division.


Illegals have pressure not to commit crimes. That pressure goes away as people become legal. And the Hispanic demo commits more crime than the white demo or Asian demo. It's compared in the second link I posted upstream. As usual, you didn't read shit before you popped off.


I haven't mentioned anything about crime in this thread but don't lead with bullshit fear mongering over people that want legal immigration. And use some statistical outlier nonsense for your argument plus your "magabomber" smear.It's not a smear. The guy is totally MAGA.

The contention that he wasn't radicalized by DJT doesn't pass the straight face test.

Also, you totally were discussing crime in this thread. That's what I responded to.

[Spurtacular]

:rollin All you do its make rash, knee-jerk judgments, derp.

:lmao Sociopath truth. How long was it / how many interactions did we have before I assessed you were a sociopath?

[Spurtacular]

You didn't answer this question, derp.

Read the question this time.

:lmao Sociopath doubling down on his lie.

[koriwhat]

Look at the good news; he affirmed that you're a stable person.

never needed him to do so because it's comical in the first place to get diagnosed by a fucking psycho arm chair psychiatrist like pavTheFag.

btw spurtacular, fuck this small group of losers like pavTheFag, reck, et al. bunch of sissy fucks, they know that's exactly what they are, and that's why they find solace in the fact they can anonymously act a way they wouldn't otherwise in real life day to day conversations.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath truth. How long was it / how many interactions did we have before I assessed you were a sociopath?lol "assessed"

How many years of training in psychology/psychiatry have you had, derp?

You will never answer this question.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath doubling down on his lie.:lmao still not answering the question.

[Pavlov]

never needed him to do so because it's comical in the first place to get diagnosed by a fucking psycho arm chair psychiatrist like pavTheFag.

btw spurtacular, fuck this small group of losers like pavTheFag, reck, et al. bunch of sissy fucks, they know that's exactly what they are, and that's why they find solace in the fact they can anonymously act a way they wouldn't otherwise in real life day to day conversations.Yeah, you wish death on people at work and in restaurants every day, right kori?

[Nathan89]

That demo is more way more likely to be jailed than illegal immigrants, so statistically speaking, you do have more to fear from white Americans.

lol Nathan 89, pre-crime division.

It's compared in the second link I posted upstream. As usual, you didn't read shit before you popped off.

It's not a smear. The guy is totally MAGA.

The contention that he wasn't radicalized by DJT doesn't pass the straight face trest.

White Americans wouldn't even register it I was looking at crime rates. I never said I feared the crime rate of illegals. I never brought up their crime rate.

As long as we recognize the obvious pressure that prevents them from committing crimes. Instead of acting like these are special people. Remove the pressure and the crime rate goes up. As you see from the legal demo.

[Nathan89]

They can't change the Constitution, so why are you terrified of them too?

You're just a big bag of fear.

The Constitution can't change?

[koriwhat]

Yeah, you wish death on people at work and in restaurants every day, right kori?

how so? if i work alone then how exactly am i wishing death on my "coworkers" and why the fuck would i do anything of the sorts in restaurants too? god you make no sense whatsoever. i might not be the sharpest knife but i feel like i get more dull just reading your dribble day to day.

[Winehole23]

White Americans wouldn't even register it I was looking at crime rates.why not?

[Pavlov]

The Constitution can't change?Not from the "invasions" you're fearing.

[koriwhat]

why's anyone even bringing up crime rates? you know what's a crime????? crossing our border illegally!

that's the fucking issue you cock suckers! stay on the actual topic and stop trying to side step.

[Pavlov]

how so? if i work alone then how exactly am i wishing death on my "coworkers" and why the fuck would i do anything of the sorts in restaurants too? god you make no sense whatsoever. i might not be the sharpest knife but i feel like i get more dull just reading your dribble day to day.See, you don't wish death on anyone in front of them.

Why not? Are you just trying to act cool?

[Winehole23]

Remove the pressure and the crime rate goes up. As you see from the legal demo.Thanks for admitting we have less to fear from immigrants than the native born.

Is it now your contention that the caravan is to be feared because their children will be criminals?

[Pavlov]

why's anyone even bringing up crime rates? you know what's a crime????? crossing our border illegally!

that's the fucking issue you cock suckers! stay on the actual topic and stop trying to side step.Presenting oneself to the Border Patrol to apply for refugee status is perfectly legal.

[koriwhat]

See, you don't wish death on anyone in front of them.

Why not? Are you just trying to act cool?

you're such a bitch dude. i can not believe there are "men" like you in this world.

i just saw the same backtrack in another thread. seems today that's all you're doing. stand by your convictions or shut the fuck up you god damn pussy.

[koriwhat]

Presenting oneself to the Border Patrol to apply for refugee status is perfectly legal.

they're not refugees and you know that. this is the same game over and over with you again.

you choose a group of people to hate on and so begins pavTheFags trolling. i don't care if you hate me or anyone here but you need to come correct and stop with your bs shtick. it's getting real fucking old.

[Pavlov]

you're such a bitch dude. i can not believe there are "men" like you in this world.

i just saw the same backtrack in another thread. seems today that's all you're doing. stand by your convictions or shut the fuck up you god damn pussy.You're the one trying to act cool in public by not wishing death on people like you do here, kori.

[koriwhat]

You're the one trying to act cool in public by not wishing death on people like you do here, kori.

how do you know i haven't? btw, sarcasm isn't something you acquired i see. to say "play in traffic", "like lemmings fall off a cliff", or "we'd be better off without..." isn't such a big deal like you're trying to make it out to be. just the other day you asked me to kill myself. hmmm....

you're a schmuck and it's hilarious to see you backtrack daily while still trying to hold your chin up high as if you're worth a fuck.

[Pavlov]

how do you know i haven't? btw, sarcasm isn't something you acquired i see. to say "play in traffic", "like lemmings fall off a cliff", or "we'd be better off without..." isn't such a big deal like you're trying to make it out to be. just the other day you asked me to kill myself. hmmm....:lmao you're backtracking, kori

[Nathan89]

Not from the "invasions" you're fearing.

Cultural shift comes with invasions. The Constitution can be changed.

[koriwhat]

:lmao you're backtracking, kori

how so? again, what's to backtrack exactly? most everything i spew here is sarcastic in nature; not all but most. it's not my fault you and others are sticks in the mud or have egos the size of mars.

with that said, i don't really want you to die man but if you did i'd shed no tears and wouldn't give a shit either way. is that the answer you were seeking?

[Pavlov]

Cultural shift comes with invasions. The Constitution can be changed.Walk me through the white Euro invasion and subsequent change to the constitution.

How would it work?

[Nathan89]

Thanks for admitting we have less to fear from immigrants than the native born.

Is it now your contention that the caravan is to be feared because their children will be criminals?

Illegal immigrants.

No, I never brought up crime rates. But the reality is yes their children will commit crimes at much higher rate than their illegal parents that have natural pressure to not commit crime.

[Nathan89]

Walk me through the white Euro invasion and subsequent change to the constitution.

How would it work?

It was a hypothetical. I'm not walking you through it. This also one of many reasons to not want them to come in masses.

[Pavlov]

It was a hypothetical. I'm not walking you through it. This also one of many reasons to not want them to come in masses.It's your fantasy. If you can't explain it, it's clearly bullshit.

[Winehole23]

Illegal immigrants.

No, I never brought up crime rates. But the reality is yes their children will commit crimes at much higher rate than their illegal parents that have natural pressure to not commit crime.Now that you have brought up crime rates, do you allow for the possibility that the system of policing may not be neutrally administered, and that group differences may reflect, in part, disparities of enforcement and punishment?

[Winehole23]

Cultural shift comes with invasions. The Constitution can be changed.so where's the data that says the cultural shift has been deleterious or will be?

[Winehole23]

what did you you mean by saying...


White Americans wouldn't even register it I was looking at crime rates.did you mean the white crime rate is so close to zero that it's reasonable to round down?

[Nathan89]

Now that you have brought up crime rates, do you allow for the possibility that the system of policing may not not be neutrally administered, and that group differences may reflect, in part, disparities of enforcement and punishment?

Yes, they are "in part". That's a meaningless statement though without knowing the significance of it. And the significance of it probably drops much more in the more relevant violent crimes.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao still not answering the question.

I answered it. I literally gave you the number you were crying for.

[Spurtacular]

lol "assessed"

How many years of training in psychology/psychiatry have you had, derp?

You will never answer this question.

Still looking for an out. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Still looking for an out. :lmao

:lol just another question that made you shit yourself.

[Spurtacular]

:lol just another question that made you shit yourself.

:lmao A clinical doctor hasn't visited ST and diagnosed you as a sociopath. That's the exact out you want. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Yes, they are "in part". That's a meaningless statement though without knowing the significance of it. And the significance of it probably drops much more in the more relevant violent crimes.
Based on what?

[Winehole23]

Your spidey sense? You've given us nothing more to go on.

[Winehole23]

Thanks by the way for your acknowledgement of institutional racism, even though you arbitrarily declared it meaningless in yor next breath.

[Nathan89]

Thanks by the way for your acknowledgement of institutional racism, even though you arbitrarily declared it meaningless in yor next breath.

I recognize different sentencing between demographics men have a multiplier of time over women. Black men have an extra multiplier. Hispanic men likely fall in between white men and black men.

I didn't declare it meaningless overall. The significance of the impact is just much more relevant. Or it's very important to the discussion.

[Winehole23]

Says you based on you. You've adduced no empirical support for your views.

[Nathan89]

You don't need statistics to back up what I'm saying. "In part" is vague. That could be very significant or of little significance.

[FrostKing]

I recognize different sentencing between demographics men have a multiplier of time over women. Black men have an extra multiplier. Hispanic men likely fall in between white men and black men.

I didn't declare it meaningless overall. The significance of the impact is just much more relevant. Or it's very important to the discussion.
Allow me to explain it

Blacks often have juvenile records (break their probation and/or don't bother sealing their records). Furthermore they are more likely to be represented by a public defender. I had a DUI case and my hired attorney went in and argued behind closed doors for a technicality. I know because afterwards when I was presented with my updated charges - another attorney walking by stopped and told me I was very lucky because there was a debate and the courtroom was split. My hired attorney also presented that I am a working student with a healthy family etc.

Furthermore I had a normal haircut and respectable clothing. I saw other individuals wearing street clothes, not covering their tattoos AND smug/"ya/na" responses to answers. The judge takes 1 peak at you from his paperwork and draws a conclusion. That is why men of uniform wear it to court

If you are too dumb/lazy/arrogant to put your best foot forward in court - tough luck. It also illustrates court is not a big moment in your life and chances are you'll be back

[Winehole23]

You don't need statistics to back up what I'm saying. "In part" is vague. That could be very significant or of little significance.
You've given no empirical support for your opinions that white people are not dangerous and that immigrants are. Or that their culture is dangerous .

Just pointing that out.

I've given empirical support that US natives are more likely to commit crimes than immigrants. Also that the period of heaviest illegal immigration correlates with a historic decrease in crime. You've given nothing of the sort to support your views.

[Winehole23]

Except the stuff from Chuck that says Hispanics are stupider than other groups.

[Winehole23]

By the way, I still object to characterizing the problem with immigration as being a Central American issue. The present and future trend is Asia.

[Winehole23]

Not that that's a problem either. Not a demonstrated problem, and neither is immigration from Central America.

Your resentment does and doesn't make it a problem.

[boutons_deux]

the exodus is actually a Trash false flag.

His foundation/reelection fund paid all those asylum seekers to go marching so Trash could stoke his racist, xenophobic mob as a campaign tactic.

[Winehole23]

You don't need statistics to back up what I'm saying.TRUST ME

[DMX7]

People say Trump is just using the Caravan for political purposes but his reaction seem truly visceral. He hates the caravan. It's easy to tell when he's pretending to care about something but the caravan has sent him into a panic.

[Spurtacular]

People say Trump is just using the Caravan for political purposes but his reaction seem truly visceral. He hates the caravan. It's easy to tell when he's pretending to care about something but the caravan has sent him into a panic.

We can't all be good cucks like you and lie down and take it. :lmao

[DMX7]

We can't all be good cucks like you and lie down and take it. :lmao

Take what?

[Pavlov]

:lmao A clinical doctor hasn't visited ST and diagnosed you as a sociopath. That's the exact out you want. :lmaoWait, you're not a doctor?

What is your psychological/psychiatric training?

[boutons_deux]

People say Trump is just using the Caravan for political purposes but his reaction seem truly visceral. He hates the caravan. It's easy to tell when he's pretending to care about something but the caravan has sent him into a panic.

he hates non-whites.

If the caravan people arrives and some get in, failing, illegit, so-called Pres Trash would look like a pushover for the hated, filthy, diseased, criminal brownies, which his base wouldn't like.

[DMX7]

I will say this... if the distinction between asylum seekers and economic migrant matters and is even possible to distinguish, then aren't asylum seekers basically undermining their own claims by not seeking asylum in Mexico? Doesn't it make it obvious that they are economic migrants.

[boutons_deux]

https://media-s3-us-east-1.ceros.com/ozy/images/2018/10/25/89e3e1c8cfd064130e031c2db7bd1e6b/image1.jpg?imageOpt=1&fit=bounds&width=1600


https://www.ozy.com/opinion/look-closer-swimming-for-fun-or-to-escape/90240?utm_source=dd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=10282018&variable=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031

[boutons_deux]

CIA activities in Guatemala

According to the George Washington University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_University)'s "The National Security Archive,"

there are still over 100,000 pages of documents on CIA activities in Guatemala that have not been released.[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala#cite_note-NSAEBB4-1)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala

[DMX7]

https://www.ozy.com/opinion/look-closer-swimming-for-fun-or-to-escape/90240?utm_source=dd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=10282018&variable=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031

this doesn't contradict anything I just wrote

[boutons_deux]

this doesn't contradict anything I just wrote

did I say it did?

dmx: "you talkin to me? well, I'm the only one here"

[FrostKing]

I will say this... if the distinction between asylum seekers and economic migrant matters and is even possible to distinguish, then aren't asylum seekers basically undermining their own claims by not seeking asylum in Mexico? Doesn't it make it obvious that they are economic migrants.
Europe 2015. War refugees settle at the first safe nation not roam an entire continent for the biggest meal ticket.

[boutons_deux]

you right wing assholes believe that immigrants are takers, not makers, because you're full of shit believing the propaganda defending, deflecting from the real takers

the takers that screw America are homegrown: the predatory, avaricious Capitalist oligarchy

Trash was elected by people screwed by the Capitalist oligarchy into a no-future, hopeless financial precarity. That's why that demographic is committing suicide with drugs, alcohol, and their beloved guns, causing American longevity to decline while all other industrial countries, longevity continues to increase.

They were lied to, duped, screwed, fooled, by the oligarchy's propagandists, that non-whites were the problem, that govt was the problem (St Ronnie), etc, etc.

[FrostKing]

you right wing assholes believe that immigrants are takers, not makers, because you're full of shit believing the propaganda defending, deflecting from the real takers

the takers that screw America are homegrown: the predatory, avaricious Capitalist oligarchy

Trash was elected by people screwed by the Capitalist oligarchy into a no-future, hopeless financial precarity. That's why that demographic is committing suicide with drugs, alcohol, and their beloved guns, causing American longevity to decline while all other industrial countries, longevity continues to increase.

They were lied to, duped, screwed, fooled, by the oligarchy's propagandists, that non-whites were the problem, that govt was the problem (St Ronnie), etc, etc.
There are people with college degrees from Europe and Asia hoping to immigrate to America. Why should we settle for less?

[Spurtacular]

Wait, you're not a doctor?

What is your psychological/psychiatric training?

:lmao Sociopath Chump desperately wanting an out.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath Chump desperately wanting an out.:lmao derp desperately shitting himself when asked simple questions.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao derp desperately shitting himself when asked simple questions.

:lmao Sociopath truth.

[Blake]

Dr derp

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath truth.:lol you sure aren't answering the simple questions.

Why so scared?

[Spurtacular]

:lol you sure aren't answering the simple questions.

Why so scared?

:lmao Sociopath thinks he's scary.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath thinks he's scary.If you aren't scaerd, why can't you answer those simple questions, derp?

[Spurtacular]

If you aren't scaerd, why can't you answer those simple questions, derp?

Your compulsion has you clinging to this desperation for the easy out you claim you don't want.

:lmao Today's sociopath

[DMX7]

Europe 2015. War refugees settle at the first safe nation not roam an entire continent for the biggest meal ticket.

The Dublin Regulation forces a lot of immigrants to stay at the first safe nation or get sent back to it. This of course puts the largest burden on Italy, Spain & Greece.

[Nivek_ogre]

Let's repay them. How about we send about 5000 fat white Midwestern trump supporters to their country. They'd beg us to take them back

[Pavlov]

Your compulsion has you clinging to this desperation for the easy out you claim you don't want.

:lmao Today's sociopathWhy do you think it's an easy out, derp?

[FrostKing]

The Dublin Regulation forces a lot of immigrants to stay at the first safe nation or get sent back to it. This of course puts the largest burden on Italy, Spain & Greece.
Agreed. Outdated laws that need updating. Humanitarian groups acting as sea taxi services should be punished

[FrostKing]

Let's repay them. How about we send about 5000 fat white Midwestern trump supporters to their country. They'd beg us to take them back
As opposed to 500 fat black Western/Eastern Obama supporters?

[Spurtacular]

Why do you think it's an easy out, derp?

You want to sociopath it up with impunity unless a doctor comes and certifies you. The math isn't that hard, sociopath.

[Pavlov]

You want to sociopath it up with impunity unless a doctor comes and certifies you. The math isn't that hard, sociopath.So you're not a doctor.

Thanks for finally admitting it.

:lol derp

[Will Hunting]

So you're not a doctor.

Thanks for finally admitting it.

:lol derp
Why does he keep calling you a sociopath? I’d ask him but I’d rather ask someone who knows what the word actually means.

[Pavlov]

Why does he keep calling you a sociopath? I’d ask him but I’d rather ask someone who knows what the word actually means.lol I have no idea other than he relies on crutch words to make himself feel like he's winning the internets. It's been pointed out to him by other posters that his behavior fits the definition of sociopath better than mine.

[boutons_deux]

New Caravan Leaves El Salvador, Migrants Move Forward Monday

https://www.telesurtv.net/__export/1540755930470/sites/telesur/img/news/2018/10/28/capture_1.png_1718483346.png

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/New-Caravan-Leaves-El-Salvador-Migrants-Move-Forward-Monday-20181028-0011.html

[Will Hunting]

Idk why conservatives have to make up crime rate stats or stories about how illegals get tons of government benefits (even though a lot of them are paying money into Medicaire and social security that they’re never going to get back).

I have a lot more sympathy for (and largely agree with) the argument that we simply don’t need more unskilled workers in this country. Right now the economy is at full employment and the most unskilled workers can get a job that pays 11-12 bucks an hour and I don’t want that dynamic to change by increasing the supply of unskilled labor.

[FrostKing]

Idk why conservatives have to make up crime rate stats or stories about how illegals get tons of government benefits (even though a lot of them are paying money into Medicaire and social security that they’re never going to get back).

I have a lot more sympathy for (and largely agree with) the argument that we simply don’t need more unskilled workers in this country. Right now the economy is at full employment and the most unskilled workers can get a job that pays 11-12 bucks an hour and I don’t want that dynamic to change by increasing the supply of unskilled labor.
I over heard Mexicans chatting in the break room. One of them was using the tired ole picking fruits argument. Fortunately another woman with heavy accent argued that she had to work up the ladder and now others aren't

Why they argue crime rates etc is probably because arguing skill based immigration policy is counter argued by many with claims of racism - "you just want more Europeans because they look like you". Or "you destroyed our/their countries, so you owe it to us/them"

[boutons_deux]

Idk why conservatives have to make up crime rate stats or stories about how illegals get tons of government benefits


... because Repugs know 10Ms, 100M?, Americans are racist, are xenophobes, and most of them are living precariously payday to payday (thanks, oligarchy!), so browns and blacks get scapegoated as causing problems for whites, are the ones lower quintile Americans can look down on, and hate, and keeping voting for racist Repugs against their best interests.

"it is said" that Americans, even conservative ones, want socialized medicine's affordable health care, but refuse it because it would help all Americans, including those lazy, criminal, filthy, mofo blacks and browns. iow, Americans would rather fuck themselves over than include blacks and browns.

The slave trade turns out, 200+ years ago, to have been the worm still burrowing into the American apple.

[Will Hunting]

I over heard Mexicans chatting in the break room.
:lmao having to work with Mexicans

[Chris]

Idk why conservatives have to make up crime rate stats or stories about how illegals get tons of government benefits (even though a lot of them are paying money into Medicaire and social security that they’re never going to get back).

I have a lot more sympathy for (and largely agree with) the argument that we simply don’t need more unskilled workers in this country. Right now the economy is at full employment and the most unskilled workers can get a job that pays 11-12 bucks an hour and I don’t want that dynamic to change by increasing the supply of unskilled labor.

What numbers are the conservatives making up and who is the mastermind conservative giving out the orders?

[FrostKing]

:lmao having to work with Mexicans
Lol. I live in California. Basically extension of their country

[AaronY]

1056919074800852992

[boutons_deux]

The US is sending 5,000 troops to the border. Here’s what they can and can’t do.


They can fly aircraft and lend support, but they can’t detain anybody.


“Operation Faithful Patriot,” :lol

will include military police, pilots, and engineers and will be in the area from November 5 to December 15.

would increase the number of US military personnel at the Southern frontier to roughly 7,000 —

about 5,000 more than America has in Syria to fight ISIS (https://www.vox.com/2018/4/4/17192656/trump-syria-troop-withdrawal) and

approximately one-third (https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650) the size of the entire Border Patrol force at the US-Mexico line.

US law forbids them from physically detaining individuals at the border.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/29/18026646/military-border-caravan-immigrants-trump-caravan

[Chris]

Lol. I live in California. Basically extension of their country

We need Mexicans because they are hardworking and no one else will pick the fruit. Didn't you get the memo?

[Winehole23]

the Caravan isn't Mexicans, dipshit

[Winehole23]

there might be a number of reasons we need immigrants you haven't thought of because you speak of immigrants as an unalloyed evil.

that's not a realistic view,

[Chris]

KBmjPIbXPco

[Pavlov]

Great, throw more money at a non-problem because people like Chris are scared.

[Chris]

Great, throw more money at a non-problem because people like Chris are scared.

lol non-problem

[Winehole23]

How is it a problem?

[Pavlov]

lol non-problemYeah, how is this caravan a problem, Chris?

[Chris]

Yeah, how is this caravan a problem, Chris?

How is it a non-problem?

We have about 30 pages explaining why it is a problem.

Why is this a non-problem and why am I scared?

This is your claim.

[Chris]

LhvnrUfDRuY

This dude got eviscerated :lol

[Pavlov]

How is it a non-problem?

We have about 30 pages explaining why it is a problem.You haven't answered, Chris.

Why is this caravan a problem?

[pgardn]

Lol. I live in California. Basically extension of their country

You have the World’s 7 th largest economy.
Can we all move to Mexico? And then you leave.

[Chris]

You haven't answered, Chris.

Why is this caravan a problem?

Back up you claims.

You can't.

[Nathan89]

It's not a problem if you want to get free votes to support your big government goals. Big government that will increase even more to support an ever growing underperforming percentage of the population. Jack up them taxes and ruin what brings the best talent in the world to the US. Of course while flooding the country with underperforming illegals seeking entry into the massive welfare state paradise. But they won't be illegals by then because we'll have open borders. Sounds like success.

[Nathan89]

In the meantime poor Americans will get their wages undercut.

[Spurminator]

It's not a problem if you want to get free votes to support your big government goals.

Illegal immigrants can't vote. We've been over this.


But they won't be illegals by then because we'll have open borders. Sounds like success.

Is Keith Ellison's T-shirt running for Overlord of the US?

[Nathan89]

Illegal immigrants can't vote. We've been over this.



Is Keith Ellison's T-shirt running for Overlord of the US?

Their anchor babies can.

[Spurminator]

Their anchor babies can.

So of the 5000-ish in this caravan, how many do you expect to (1) come all the way to the US border, (2) enter the US, and (3) have a child, who will stay in the US for 18 years and become a voter?

Is it the same ratio as Democrat candidates to Democrat candidates who have expressed support for open borders? Guessing it's pretty close.

[Pavlov]

Back up you claims.

You can't.:lol if you can't even say why it's a problem, it's not a problem.

lol Chris

[Pavlov]

It's not a problem if you want to get free votes to support your big government goals. Big government that will increase even more to support an ever growing underperforming percentage of the population. Jack up them taxes and ruin what brings the best talent in the world to the US. Of course while flooding the country with underperforming illegals seeking entry into the massive welfare state paradise. But they won't be illegals by then because we'll have open borders. Sounds like success.word salad

[DarrinS]

Invading hordes of illegals are not a problem guyz :cry

[Pavlov]

Invading hordes of illegals are not a problem guyz :cryTell us all how this caravan is a problem and why you're afraid, Darrin.

Step up.

[DarrinS]

Tell us all how this caravan is a problem and why you're afraid, Darrin.

Step up.


No fear, but we are still a sovereign nation with borders and laws.

[Pavlov]

No fear, but we are still a sovereign nation with borders and laws.Tell us all how this caravan is a problem, Darrin.

You haven't yet.

[Spurminator]

Invading hordes of illegals are not a problem guyz

No fear, but we are still a sovereign nation with borders and laws.

Do you think this caravan is going to try to sneak across the border, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Do you think this caravan is going to try to sneak across the border, Darrin?

They seem pretty civil, so they’ll likely wait patiently in line to be processed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO_ptEOYFpw

[Spurminator]

They seem pretty civil, so they’ll likely wait patiently in line to be processed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO_ptEOYFpw

I'm amazed at how willingly and enthusiastically you continue to reveal what an easily manipulated fucking pussy you are.

I'm as confident we won't see some big clash at the US border, nor a massive sneak attack, as I am that you'll completely ignore the absence of either when it doesn't happen, and continue to be a scared piece of shit.

[DarrinS]

I'm amazed at how willingly and enthusiastically you continue to reveal what an easily manipulated fucking pussy you are.

I'm as confident we won't see some big clash at the US border, nor a massive sneak attack, as I am that you'll completely ignore the absence of either when it doesn't happen, and continue to be a scared piece of shit.


When exactly did team blue completely stop caring about our borders?

[Pavlov]

When exactly did team blue completely stop caring about our borders?

Tell us all how this caravan is a problem, Darrin.

You haven't yet.

[Spurminator]

When exactly did team blue completely stop caring about our borders?

That's a nonsensical response. I don't find this caravan at all threatening to our borders.

One can reasonably care about the borders and still think conservatives' foaming-at-the-mouth obsession over a caravan of 5000 Central Americans is ridiculous.

[DarrinS]

That's a nonsensical response. I don't find this caravan at all threatening to our borders.

One can reasonably care about the borders and still think conservatives foaming-at-the-mouth obsession over a caravan of 5000 Central Americans is ridiculous.

Lol ^ edited before I could reply.

It’s not a problem if they go through our legal process. Is this “foaming at the mouth”?

[Spurminator]

Pretty obvious Darrin's been glued to Fox News for days.

Darrin: INVADING HORDES
Response: What are your concerns?
Darrin: OUR BORDERS AND LAWS
Response: What do you think will happen at the border?
Darrin: LOOK AT THIS VIDEO OF THE MOB
Response: That probably won't happen at the US border.
Darrin: WHY DO YOU HATE BORDERS?

[DarrinS]

At the very least, we need to document who’s coming in and reject felons. I know — this may sound extreme.

[Spurminator]

Lol ^ edited before I could reply.

It’s not a problem if they go through our legal process. Is this “foaming at the mouth”?

No. But your previous responses were.

[Spurminator]

At the very least, we need to document who’s coming in and reject felons. I know — this may sound extreme.

Who is suggesting we shouldn't do that?

[Spurminator]

It seems like somewhere in the middle of all of the coverage of the caravan, you've gotten the idea that liberals are saying we need to (1) let them all in, and (2) forego a vetting process. Did I miss where this is a message being pushed by liberals?

[DarrinS]

Who is suggesting we shouldn't do that?

Well, there’s the narrative that even beefing up border security is racist, because, of course.

1056988516020678656

[Pavlov]

Well, there’s the narrative that even beefing up border security is racist, because, of course.

1056988516020678656:lmao immediate deflection

Darrin, why is this caravan such a huge problem?

[pgardn]

Invading hordes of illegals are not a problem guyz :cry

Mongols.

On small, resilient horses.

Mixed with ISIS and Romans.

[DarrinS]

:lmao immediate deflection

Darrin, why is this caravan such a huge problem?

Lol, qualifying with “huge”. It’s not a huge problem nor an insignificant problem.

[Pavlov]

Lol, qualifying with “huge”. It’s not a huge problem nor an insignificant problem.Darrin, step up and say why it's such a problem you've been avoiding the question for an hour.

[Winehole23]

It's not a problem if you want to get free votes to support your big government goals. Big government that will increase even more to support an ever growing underperforming percentage of the population. Jack up them taxes and ruin what brings the best talent in the world to the US. Of course while flooding the country with underperforming illegals seeking entry into the massive welfare state paradise. But they won't be illegals by then because we'll have open borders. Sounds like success.do you have any idea how long it takes to naturalize?

[Pavlov]

Jesus, Trump supporters like Darrin and Nathan just got whipped into a frenzy over this.

[DarrinS]

Jesus, Trump supporters like Darrin and Nathan just got whipped into a frenzy over this.

A frenzy? — you should be a journalist, tbh.

[Winehole23]

Nathan seems to think they're marching straight for the voting booth.

[Pavlov]

A frenzy? — you should be a journalist, tbh.You should say why this caravan is such a problem

[Nathan89]

Nathan seems to think they're marching straight for the voting booth.

Nothing I said indicates that.

[DarrinS]

Pueblo Sin Fronteras
People without borders

[Pavlov]

Pueblo Sin Fronteras
People without borderslol you're so full of shit, Darrin.

[Nathan89]

We saw the lefts reaction to Kavanaugh pre accusation. If the country was being flooded with future republican voters I think they'd be singing a different tune. Since it's not though let's just paint 10s of millions of your fellow Americans as racist for trying to prevent the ruining of the country.

[Pavlov]

We saw the lefts reaction to Kavanaugh pre accusation. If the country was being flooded with future republican voters I think they'd be singing a different tune. Since it's not though let's just paint 10s of millions of your fellow Americans as racist for trying to prevent the ruining of the country.:lmao "flooded"
:lmao "ruined"

so scared

[Winehole23]

how are immigrants ruining the country? no one ITT has offered any plausible explanation.

[DarrinS]

how are immigrants ruining the country? no one ITT has offered any plausible explanation.

Legal immigrants aren’t ruining the country.

[Winehole23]

Legal immigrants aren’t ruining the country.how are illegal immigrants ruining this country?

[Nathan89]

The same way Kavanaugh will ruin the country or 9 Kavanaughs if we were flooding the country with Republicans. I guess you could say it's a matter of perspective and one perspective is being drowned out. That's why I think it would be best for the country to split in two.

[Nathan89]

Legal immigrants aren’t ruining the country.

Chain migration is a problem with legal immigration though. Premium legal immigrants are wanted and a necessity for the country.

[Spurminator]

Well, there’s the narrative that even beefing up border security is racist, because, of course.

1056988516020678656

This is completely unrelated to the question I asked. Why did you post this?

The question again: Who is suggesting we shouldn't document who's coming in and reject felons?

[Winehole23]

The same way Kavanaugh will ruin the country or 9 Kavanaughs if we were flooding the country with Republicans. I guess you could say it's a matter of perspective and one perspective is being drowned out. That's why I think it would be best for the country to split in two.:lol

immigrants seldom come with any US political affiliation, but what you and the GOP are saying couldn't possibly help.

[Winehole23]

Chain migration is a problem with legal immigration though. Premium legal immigrants are wanted and a necessity for the country.why is chain migration a problem?

[Nathan89]

:lol

immigrants seldom come with any US political affiliation, but what you and the GOP are saying couldn't possibly help.

The only mainstream discussion happening is about illegals stop saying immigrants. Although chain migration is a problem with that. It's disingenuous to conflate the two. The bulk of the conversation is about illegals. And it's absurd to think Americans should be silent on things they have problems with.

Underperforming populations are going to vote for the free shit party. On top that they are going to be more likely to vote how the Hispanics community that they'll be living in will vote.

[Winehole23]

brown skin+ Spanish surname = underperforming. (based on SATs and "group differences" in IQ propounded by Chuck).

you think Hispanics are too stupid to be proper US citizens.



you say "they" all stick together and vote alike, but Trump got 35% of the Hispanic vote and about 50% of Hispanics in Florida.

seems you don't have faith that Republicans can possibly win over new migrants. do you think it's because they're lazy and greedy?

[Winehole23]

Trump says he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order.

https://www.axios.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-0cf4285a-16c6-48f2-a933-bd71fd72ea82.html

[Spurs Homer]

Trump says he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order.

https://www.axios.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-0cf4285a-16c6-48f2-a933-bd71fd72ea82.html


This is the kind of stunt that everyone should just ignore. It is obviously a troll job and the media jumps on this and wastes a news cycle instead of talking about how the Repugs are stripping health care away from citizens.

[Winehole23]

we'll see

[Winehole23]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

[Winehole23]

the both sidesism is astonishing. media heads are "questioning" whether the President can unilaterally change the US Constitution.

[rjv]

Nathan seems to think they're marching straight for the voting booth.

idiotic. as you said, most come with no party affiliation to begin with and many central americans are not automatic shoe-ins for either party as they are aware of the contribution that both parties have made in regards to the state of the northern triangle of central america.

[boutons_deux]

Trash, sworn to defend the Constitution, dog whistles to his racist mob that he is racist-ly against anchor babies, birthright citizenship.

his racist bona fides affirmed , mission accomplished

[Winehole23]

originalists and other interested people can find the Senate debates regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (the immediate precursor to the 14th Amendment) here. seems pretty clear the majority then thought persons born on US soil are citizens regardless of the immigration status of their parents. they understood they were creating standards for citizenship and civil rights beyond freed slaves.

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=070/llcg070.db&recNum=602

[Winehole23]

it's interesting reading

[rjv]

it's interesting reading

nice find; thanks for sharing.

[Winehole23]

nice find; thanks for sharing.can't take credit for myself, saw it @skantrow on Twitter

[Nathan89]

https://youtu.be/75a9Wa6KL7k

[Nathan89]

All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.:lmao

[Winehole23]

All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.:lmaowe're not Europe. thanks for clearing that up.

there are normative arguments against birthright citizenship. yours is that Hispanics aren't smart enough to be proper citizens and vote (or will vote) en bloc for the Democrats.

were there any others I left out?

[Pavlov]

All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.:lmaolol Nathan doesn't care about the constitution.

[Winehole23]

just curious, Nathan89, who exactly gets to be in your ethnostate after the partition of the USA?

[Winehole23]

Legal immigrants aren’t ruining the country.How are illegal immigrants ruining the country?

[FrostKing]

Birthright citizenship in the 21st century is very puzzling

Major example of why I oppose socialist aspects in America

[Nathan89]

brown skin+ Spanish surname = underperforming. (based on SATs and "group differences" in IQ propounded by Chuck).

you think Hispanics are too stupid to be proper US citizens.



you say "they" all stick together and vote alike, but Trump got 35% of the Hispanic vote and about 50% of Hispanics in Florida.

seems you don't have faith that Republicans can possibly win over new migrants. do you think it's because they're lazy and greedy?

No, there are intelligent Hispanics and I'd take them into the country legally. That's a merit based system. It's not discriminatory. Yes, they appear to underperform on tests which is a threat to the country. That's why we need a merit based system.

That's Cubans that have different inclinations for obvious reasons than the vast majority of Hispanics.

I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.

[Pavlov]

No, there are intelligent Hispanics and I'd take them into the country legally. That's a merit based system. It's not discriminatory. Yes, they appear to underperform on tests which is a threat to the country. That's why we need a merit based system.

That's Cubans that have different inclinations for obvious reasons than the vast majority of Hispanics.

I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.https://i.imgflip.com/2lbjmz.jpg

[Winehole23]

lol Nathan doesn't care about the constitution.he sounds somewhat like Sen. Cowen in the Senate debate posted on the previous page.

a proper "white man's government" protects and includes white men; others by definition should be excluded and not protected.

[Nathan89]

we're not Europe. thanks for clearing that up.

there are normative arguments against birthright citizenship. yours is that Hispanics aren't smart enough to be proper citizens and vote (or will vote) en bloc for the Democrats.

were there any others I left out?

Just calling out the idiocy of positioning this as racism when it's pretty common practice to not reward illegal entry into your country.

No, I'm for merit based legal immigration. Hispanics wouldn't be discriminated on under that standard.

[Winehole23]

I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.that's about right; my cite was mistaken

[Winehole23]

Just calling out the idiocy of positioning this as racism when it's pretty common practice to not reward illegal entry into your country.

No, I'm for merit based legal immigration. Hispanics wouldn't be discriminated on under that standard.how would you do it?

[Nathan89]

just curious, Nathan89, who exactly gets to be in your ethnostate after the partition of the USA?

Quote any comment that indicates this or my conversation with you is over.

[Nathan89]

lol Nathan doesn't care about the constitution.

The supreme Court will rule on it.

[Winehole23]

you said you desire a partition of the US because immigration from Central America is ruining the country or soon will.

presumably you'd also exclude other "low performing" groups as defined by Chuck.

which groups would those be, by the way?

[Nathan89]

I'd have a merit based legal system. That's not an "ethnostate". We already have loads of diversity in the country so that's just moronic. No one is pushing for an ethnostate state. You know I'm not but talking in bad faith.

[Winehole23]

The supreme Court will rule on it.wish in one hand and shit in the other, you'll see which one fills up faster.

[Winehole23]

I'd have a merit based legal system. That's not an "ethnostate". We already have loads of diversity in the country so that's just moronic. No one is pushing for an ethnostate state. You know I'm not but talking in bad faith.on the contrary, you're using invidiously defined merit as a fig leaf for racism.

[Bill_Brasky]

Anybody on the right ever read a history book or have any sort of understanding as to why the countries in central and south america are the way they are today?

[Winehole23]

how would this so-called merit based system work?

[Nathan89]

on the contrary, you're using invidiously defined merit as a fig leaf for racism.

False.

[Pavlov]

The supreme Court will rule on it.What's your argument against section one of the 14th amendment?

[Winehole23]

False.your empirical support was Chuck

[Winehole23]

Anybody on the right ever read a history book or have any sort of understanding as to why the countries in central and south america are the way they are today?just curious, which books do you have in mind?

[Nathan89]

your empirical support was Chuck

Actually quoted another article that presented the same data and sat statistics.

[Winehole23]

Actually quoted another article that presented the same data and sat statistics.the Reason article with the headline asking whether Hispanics were too stupid to be citizens? :lol

btw, can you explain how SAT scores correlate with good citizenship?

[Winehole23]

elitist to the gills; would predicate citizenship status on standardized test scores.

[Nathan89]

"Researchers have conducted many studies to look for genes that influence intelligence. Many of these studies have focused on similarities and differences in IQ within families, particularly looking at adopted children and twins. These studies suggest that genetic factors underlie about 50 percent of the difference in intelligence among individuals."

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence

[Bill_Brasky]

just curious, which books do you have in mind?

Idk. This was a subject that wasn't covered very well in high school. Then you read about the United Fruit Company and you start to understand the role we played in creating third world conditions down there. And then you get into the fact that we did the same things in other regions too so that our companies could make more money and we could have cheaper goods at the cost of those countries having good, stable governments that allowed their citizens to prosper.

[Winehole23]

"Researchers have conducted many studies to look for genes that influence intelligence. Many of these studies have focused on similarities and differences in IQ within families, particularly looking at adopted children and twins. These studies suggest that genetic factors underlie about 50 percent of the difference in intelligence among individuals."

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligenceI don't see any correlation with skin phenotype there.

[Nathan89]

I don't see any correlation with skin phenotype there.

That's not my point with that quote. My point is having an IQ test as part of a merit based legal system is perfectly reasonable. Allowing people to walk across the border is not.

[Winehole23]

where's the scientific evidence that certain skin phenotypes correlate with lower intelligence? you've argued that repeatedly.

[Winehole23]

Allowing people to walk across the border is not.Actually, the law requires that we do.

It is one hundred percent legal to ask for asylum. To prevent people from doing so is almost certainly illegal.

[Blake]

My point is having an IQ test as part of a merit based legal system is perfectly reasonable.

Lol the fuck?

[Nathan89]

Actually, the law requires that we do.

It is one hundred percent legal to ask for asylum. To prevent people from doing so is almost certainly illegal.

They were offered refuge in Mexico.

[Winehole23]

sorry, it's still illegal to refuse people the opportunity to ask for asylum in the US.

[Nathan89]

where's the scientific evidence that certain skin phenotypes correlate with lower intelligence? you've argued that repeatedly.

I pointed towards a concern that is a potential threat to the country. A merit based system minimizes the risk of that concern. The current process does not.

[Nathan89]

sorry, it's still illegal to refuse people the opportunity to ask for asylum in the US.

They were already offered asylum in a safe country. Logic dictates they should be declined if they do ask.

[Winehole23]

I pointed towards a concern that is a potential threat to the country. A merit based system minimizes the risk of that concern. The current process does not.What concern and what threat?

[Winehole23]

They were already offered asylum in a safe country. Logic dictates they should be declined if they do ask.sorry, in matters of law, logic does not dictate.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1057325529236471808?s=20

[Nathan89]

What concern and what threat?

An underperforming majority. That concern.

[Blake]

An underperforming majority. That concern.

Who's gonna pick dem apples if you're only letting in the smart immigrants? You and Chris?

[FrostKing]

sorry, it's still illegal to refuse people the opportunity to ask for asylum in the US.
I agree. But hush on their treatment while applying. There also should be a limit on number of applications reviewed within a given time span.

Under no circumstances they walk freely on US soil before being approved

Democrats drag feet or outright oppose much of what I wrote about. Hence: many Democrats are traitors

[Winehole23]

An underperforming majority. That concern.fear of a brown nation?

[Nathan89]

Who's gonna pick dem apples if you're only letting in the smart immigrants? You and Chris?


https://youtu.be/_nReZDgx4LE

A combination of this and you paying more for Apples. Yes, we could also have work programs (I'd get rid of birthright first) to allow Mexicans to come up and work if it's needed. This program should predominantly be for Mexicans to enrich our southern border.

[Nathan89]

fear of a brown nation?

Fear of an underperforming majority. Their skin color is irrelevant. There will be loads of brown people that could come into the US legally.

[boutons_deux]

Up to 14,000 active-dutytroops to deploy as

Trump-ordered racist 'caravan' campaign prop (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/30/1808263/-Up-to-14-000-active-duty-troops-to-deploy-as-Trump-ordered-racist-caravan-campaign-prop)

rancid racists who have been stoking anti-immigrant, anti-refugee fear

as an existential danger to this country solely as cheap electoral theater;

now we are learning that ploy (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/29/1808188/-Military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-U-S-border-as-shrinking-group-of-asylum-seeking-refugees-nears) will include up to 14,000 active-duty U.S. military troops,

many of them armed,

to be deployed to the border to intercept a caravan of unarmed men, women, and children (https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-caravan-us-military-troops-mexico-border-armed-1192578).

These troops, which

"are in fact deploying with weapons"

will join up to 2,000 National Guards already at the border for a combined force of about 7,200—or about the same amount of U.S. soldiers involved in the battle against the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) in Iraq and Syria.

"caravan" causing Donald Trump and his most robust supporters to soil themselves in fear

is still roughly 1,000 miles away and

continues to shrink in size (https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1056858924794679296);

it is unclear whether a substantial portion of those refugees will reach the United States at all.

An armed military response to asylum-seekers is an outrageously fascist notion;

it is also a staggering misuse of government resources from

an administration that continues to drift from incompetence to overt corruption.

It is going to cost a small fortune to deploy the same number of troops

to intercept a single group of refugees as the United States currently has stationed in Iraq and Syria;

this will be paid for not by Donald Trump and his raving band of racist fearmongers, but by taxpayers.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/30/1808263/-Up-to-14-000-active-duty-troops-to-deploy-as-Trump-ordered-racist-caravan-campaign-prop

Nielsen has said there are no plans, so far, to shoot the asylum seekers.

[Winehole23]

Fear of an underperforming majority. Their skin color is irrelevant. There will be loads of brown people that could come into the US legally.you're afraid that Hispanics' relatively low SAT scores means they won't be good citizens?

walk us through it, I don't see the threat.

[Blake]

https://youtu.be/_nReZDgx4LE

A combination of this and you paying more for Apples. Yes, we could also have work programs (I'd get rid of birthright first) to allow Mexicans to come up and work if it's needed. This program should predominantly be for Mexicans to enrich our southern border.

Why am I paying more for apples?

[Winehole23]

I agree. But hush on their treatment while applying. There also should be a limit on number of applications reviewed within a given time span.Fuck off regarding your admonitions to hush up. Non-operative on this board and in this country. Jeff Sessions is free to change a lot of things about immigration. It's him or the US Congress you should address your complaint to.

We don't need to detain all asylum seekers, let alone at today's low levels. Goes against long-standing custom.


Under no circumstances they walk freely on US soil before being approvedThat's not up to you, but things seem to be rolling your way at the moment.


Democrats drag feet or outright oppose much of what I wrote about. Hence: many Democrats are traitorsYou have no idea what treason means in this country.

Democrats disagree with you, hence they have betrayed the whole country.

Grandiose much?

[Nathan89]

Why am I paying more for apples?

Because that's what happens when you take illegals out of the labor market. Americans will simply demand and get paid more. So you will have to pay more for apples.

[Chris]

Blake :lol

[Winehole23]

Chris with nothing to say

[SpursforSix]

I don't know if this is true or not or has been brought up but whatever

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331353/Second-migrant-caravan-storms-Mexico.html
Second migrant caravan storms into Mexico: 'Violent' group from Central America carrying BOMBS and guns defies a huge police presence to cross the border from Guatemala as Trump deploys 5,200 troops



The second caravan making their way up through Central America have members armed with explosives
Had gasoline bombs made of soft-drink bottles, and improvised PVC tubes to launch fireworks
Mexican federal police briefly blocked the migrants from crossing the Suchiate River on Monday
But the migrants soon defied the law enforcement presence and broke through into Mexico
Many tried to swim or wade across to Mexico, some while carrying children
Law enforcement avoided a second day of violence, a day after a confrontation left one migrant dead

[boutons_deux]

Claim that 80 percent of migrants in caravan are "military-aged" men can be traced back to a Fox News contributor

Fox News contributor Sara Carter’s claim that

the majority of migrants are men has spread among right-wing media, who are now calling the men “military-aged”

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/10/30/Claim-that-80-percent-of-migrants-in-caravan-are-military-aged-men-can-be-traced-back-to-a/221921

[Blake]

Because that's what happens when you take illegals out of the labor market. Americans will simply demand and get paid more. So you will have to pay more for apples.

Probably not. You'll still be picking apples at minimum wage.

[Nathan89]

Probably not. You'll still be picking apples at minimum wage.

Well that answers your question of who is going to pick the apples.

[Pavlov]

I don't know if this is true or not or has been brought up but whatever

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331353/Second-migrant-caravan-storms-Mexico.html
Second migrant caravan storms into Mexico: 'Violent' group from Central America carrying BOMBS and guns defies a huge police presence to cross the border from Guatemala as Trump deploys 5,200 troops



The second caravan making their way up through Central America have members armed with explosives
Had gasoline bombs made of soft-drink bottles, and improvised PVC tubes to launch fireworks
Mexican federal police briefly blocked the migrants from crossing the Suchiate River on Monday
But the migrants soon defied the law enforcement presence and broke through into Mexico
Many tried to swim or wade across to Mexico, some while carrying children
Law enforcement avoided a second day of violence, a day after a confrontation left one migrant dead

So all those photos and videos and no bombs or guns seen on anyone in the caravan.

Odd.

[Winehole23]

to sum up, the majority of so-called illegal immigrants to the US come on valid visas and overstay them, and these are increasingly Asian and college-degreed.

walk us through the threat these people pose, Nathan89.

is it that they may one day exclude you for being underperforming?

[Blake]

Well that answers your question of who is going to pick the apples.

So you're wanting to keep these apple picking illegals out so badly that you'd be willing to do the apple picking for us.

That's a serious dedication to bigoted patriotism and/or the lowest level of elitism I've ever seen.

[Nathan89]

"The U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey gathered data on the jobless rate of non-institutionalized men, 20 to 34 years old, averaged over the period, 2010-2014, for 34 major US cities. The data paint a grim picture for black men, particularly in the Midwestern industrial and the Mid-Atlantic cities. Like Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and D.C. all had black jobless rates above 45 percent. In these cities, more young black men were either jobless or imprisoned than employed."

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2016/09/02/the_jobless_rate_for_young_black_men_is_a_national _disgrace.html

There are plenty of able body people that can do these jobs. Americans may have to pay more but Americans will benefit. Farming is a large industry for illegals but we should not act like apple picking is the only job they are taking or lowering the wages of for Americans.

Link to jobs:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

[Blake]

Americans may have to pay more but Americans will benefit.

high priced apples = better America!

[SnakeBoy]

That's not my point with that quote. My point is having an IQ test as part of a merit based legal system is perfectly reasonable. Allowing people to walk across the border is not.

No it's not. It's pretty well documented that IQ is only one small part of what makes a person successful. Studies have shown that "normal" IQ is all that is required for success. After that EQ becomes the far more determining factor.

[Blake]

I'd like to see Trump's IQ test

[Nathan89]

high priced apples = better America!

I don't see why we are employing illegals in all those industries give that out of work statistic for black men age 20-34. Pay more and put give Americans the jobs.

[Winehole23]

to sum up, the majority of so-called illegal immigrants to the US come on valid visas and overstay them, and these are increasingly Asian and college-degreed.

walk us through the threat these people pose, Nathan89 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20260). Never mind that you've not shown that the caravan poses any specific threat to the USA.

[Chris]

I'd like to see Trump's IQ test

Obama thought there was 57 states :lmao

[Winehole23]

60% of the caravan tweets last week were bot driven.

here's a tool to check if you're being led by the nose by political bots: https://botcheck.me/

[Chris]

:lmao