Central America is Invading Mexico

[Pavlov]

No, you are.

https://www.themonitor.com/news/local/article_9b1364c2-e366-11e8-b462-fbd4b2b4fa96.html

Grow up, kid. This is common. Guess which areas?Where does it say they are illegal immigrants?

lol you're full of shit, kid

[spurraider21]

Yes, if they weren't born here and applied for citizenship. I don't have animosity towards them. The standard just isn't high enough. The wait time being long is the only thing people ever focus on.

I did what the majority of people do to become an American citizen.
so at what age should people born here have to take an IQ test? and if they fail what country do you boot them out to?

[Nathan89]

so at what age should people born here have to take an IQ test? and if they fail what country do you boot them out to?

You can't do anything about the people that are born here. You can control who comes here. We can also make the country desirable by the best talent in the world. If we do those things correctly then the talent of people born here won't be a problem.

[spurraider21]

You can't do anything about the people that are born here. You can control who comes here. We can also make the country desirable by the best talent in the world. If we do those things correctly then the talent of people born here won't be a problem.
well thats convenient, especially from a guy who wants to scrap birthright citizenship

[Nathan89]

well thats convenient, especially from a guy who wants to scrap birthright citizenship

If birthright exists then none of my other stances are worth having. So of course I want to scrap birthright.

[DMX7]

Illegals can't vote, but they do vote. It's called voter fraud. It's why we have "sanctuary cities" and "sanctuary states" to keep those Democratic votes rolling in ; )

How are they voting? At least in Texas we have voter ID laws.

[DMX7]

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I realize RT is RT but it's video footage....

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[pgardn]

Trump has dropped the caravan from hell.

Midterms over, severe backfire.

[pgardn]

That's what I was referring to tbh.

So American citizens can vote.
Good to know.

[Spurminator]

If birthright exists then none of my other stances are worth having. So of course I want to scrap birthright.


You can't do anything about the people that are born here.

[Nathan89]

So American citizens can vote.
Good to know.

No shit. Thanks for making an irrelevant comment.

[Nathan89]

Yes, clearly I think there should be a distinction between rewarding illegals for coming over here and giving citizenship to the kids of citizens of this country. The same distinction that most good countries in the world do. Not sure why people want to encourage a process that is detrimental short-term and long-term to this country.

[Winehole23]

It's the custom here. Has been for a long time.

We're not Europe or any of the alleged good countries you're referring to.

Btw, which countries are you referring to that you would have the USA emulate?

[ElNono]

Yes, clearly I think there should be a distinction between rewarding illegals for coming over here and giving citizenship to the kids of citizens of this country. The same distinction that most good countries in the world do. Not sure why people want to encourage a process that is detrimental short-term and long-term to this country.

How is it detrimental long-term? If you were to argue the US is one of the best countries in the world, and considering it was built on the back of immigrants (illegal and otherwise), the evidence overwhelmingly indicates it's been a massive plus.

And don't get me wrong, I actually do think illegal immigration should be addressed and reduced as a matter of national security (and fairness), but there's really no evidence to your claim, quite the contrary.

[Nathan89]

How is it detrimental long-term? If you were to argue the US is one of the best countries in the world, and considering it was built on the back of immigrants (illegal and otherwise), the evidence overwhelmingly indicates it's been a massive plus.

And don't get me wrong, I actually do think illegal immigration should be addressed and reduced as a matter of national security (and fairness), but there's really no evidence to your claim, quite the contrary.

For the same reason California is a bottom 3 iq state. Until that is proven temporary the US is on a likely detrimental long-term track.

Just because European immigrants turned out great doesn't mean immigrants from everywhere will be. Hillary for example wanted to flood our country with 500k refugees from countries with the highest proportion of inbreds in the world.

[Nathan89]

It's the custom here. Has been for a long time.

We're not Europe or any of the alleged good countries you're referring to.

Btw, which countries are you referring to that you would have the USA emulate?

In regards to eliminating the idiocy of birthright there are many countries to emulate.

Something tells me not changing this singular thing because it's "custom here" is ultimately going to mean changing many things that have been custom here. And then you'll be saying "well that's what the people voted for".

[FrostKing]

It's the custom here. Has been for a long time.

We're not Europe or any of the alleged good countries you're referring to.

Btw, which countries are you referring to that you would have the USA emulate?
"It's the custom here"

I drank beer this summer older. USA is the land of remix, update and change. The only constant it seems is Capitalism.

[ElNono]

For the same reason California is a bottom 3 iq state. Until that is proven temporary the US is on a likely detrimental long-term track.

Just because European immigrants turned out great doesn't mean immigrants from everywhere will be. Hillary for example wanted to flood our country with 500k refugees from countries with the highest proportion of inbreds in the world.

Ridiculous. North Dakota is top 3, completely meaningless. IQ tests classify people in the 85-115 range as "normal", which fits the criteria of both North Dakota (103.8) and California (95.5)

Not to mention California is the current mecca of technology, and is the largest economy in the US.

Here's another nugget you probably had no idea about: The highest % of US population that was foreign born isn't even now, it was back in 1890, at almost 15% (currently at 13.5%).

Those are the people that built this country into a superpower. And yeah, we had birthright and everything. The main reason that bottomed out to 4% by 1970? Those people settled, and procreated more than the immigration influx.

[pgardn]

A LGBT splinter Group has arrived in Tijuana per NPR.

Let’s see if Trump announces the impending invasion .
Midterms are done .

[CosmicCowboy]

A LGBT splinter Group has arrived in Tijuana per NPR.

Let’s see if Trump announces the impending invasion .
Midterms are done .

Those terrorists are probably shootin the AIDS.

[Winehole23]

"It's the custom here"

I drank beer this summer older. USA is the land of remix, update and change. The only constant it seems is Capitalism.The legal precendent for birthright citizenship in the USA is 160 years old -- the informal custom is even older than that.

[Winehole23]

In regards to eliminating the idiocy of birthright there are many countries to emulate.

Something tells me not changing this singular thing because it's "custom here" is ultimately going to mean changing many things that have been custom here. And then you'll be saying "well that's what the people voted for".The law is the law.

Calling it stupid doesn't change that.

[Fabbs]

A LGBT splinter Group has arrived in Tijuana per NPR.

Let’s see if Trump announces the impending invasion .
Midterms are done .
Democratic voter in high heels seen here hurrying to get to the truck on the way to the poll booth.
https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_46/2644436/181113-lgbtq-caravan-tijuana-mexico-cs-856a-6_5587d85ca8cf604d81932963d73a6253.fit-760w.jpg

[Spurminator]

Yes, clearly I think there should be a distinction between rewarding illegals for coming over here and giving citizenship to the kids of citizens of this country. The same distinction that most good countries in the world do. Not sure why people want to encourage a process that is detrimental short-term and long-term to this country.

You want to punish people for the actions of their parents. That's medieval shit, dude. How do you not see that?

You want to take adults into custody, someone who has gone to school here and built a life (and perhaps a family), and tell them they have to go back to the country their parents came from because they weren't citizens.

How far do you want to go back? What about people whose grandparents immigrated here? Great grandparents? How far until we get to your immigrant ancestors?

[spurraider21]

You want to punish people for the actions of their parents. That's medieval shit, dude. How do you not see that?

You want to take adults into custody, someone who has gone to school here and built a life (and perhaps a family), and tell them they have to go back to the country their parents came from because they weren't citizens.

How far do you want to go back? What about people whose grandparents immigrated here? Great grandparents? How far until we get to your immigrant ancestors?
as many as possible up until the point nathan has to be deported

though i'm sure he'll claim to belong in the high IQ exception class anyway

[Nathan89]

Ridiculous. North Dakota is top 3, completely meaningless. IQ tests classify people in the 85-115 range as "normal", which fits the criteria of both North Dakota (103.8) and California (95.5)

Not to mention California is the current mecca of technology, and is the largest economy in the US.

Here's another nugget you probably had no idea about: The highest % of US population that was foreign born isn't even now, it was back in 1890, at almost 15% (currently at 13.5%).

Those are the people that built this country into a superpower. And yeah, we had birthright and everything. The main reason that bottomed out to 4% by 1970? Those people settled, and procreated more than the immigration influx.

California having a major tech hub stresses the iq factor even more. They have been bringing talent from all across America for decades and still have terrible iq scores. Their school test scores are also terrible. Also them being a tech hub has nothing to do with illegals.

So almost as high as the all time high with growing projections going forward.

[Nathan89]

You want to punish people for the actions of their parents. That's medieval shit, dude. How do you not see that?

You want to take adults into custody, someone who has gone to school here and built a life (and perhaps a family), and tell them they have to go back to the country their parents came from because they weren't citizens.

How far do you want to go back? What about people whose grandparents immigrated here? Great grandparents? How far until we get to your immigrant ancestors?

It's not punishment. All the best countries in the world do it. Birthright is illogical. And of course this wouldn't strip citizenship from people that are already citizens.

You dipshits can't setup sanctuary cities and fight the deportation of illegals and claim this punishment at the same time. Of course "nobody is illegal" rhetoric is rampant so I guess you can. Everyone has a home in America. Everyone deserves healthcare, education, jobs, childcare, high minimum wage, etc. Actually we need universal basic income because of automation. Oh and everyone has a home here. The entire Dem platform is illogical because of illegals and birthright.

[Nathan89]

as many as possible up until the point nathan has to be deported

though i'm sure he'll claim to belong in the high IQ exception class anyway

It's irrelevant because I wouldn't deport Americans. I just wouldn't run as fast as I can toward making this a low iq country like the Dem party is seemingly doing. I guess government dependency is a plus for them.

[Nathan89]

The law is the law.

Calling it stupid doesn't change that.

Sure. Don't defend based on it existing for a long time. It being "custom here" is irrelevant and reeks of bullshit considering how much Dems hate and want to change about this country.

[Spurminator]

It's not punishment. All the best countries in the world do it. Birthright is illogical. And of course this wouldn't strip citizenship from people that are already citizens.

It is absolutely punishment to rip someone from the life they've built and send them to a country they've never known. If you found out your parents weren't actually born here, that they'd lied to you your whole life, and now the US Government was sending you to El Salvador because that's where they came from, you would just be cool with that?

And you didn't answer the question about grandparents. Conveniently.


You dipshits can't setup sanctuary cities and fight the deportation of illegals and claim this punishment at the same time. Of course "nobody is illegal" rhetoric is rampant so I guess you can. Everyone has a home in America. Everyone deserves healthcare, education, jobs, childcare, high minimum wage, etc. Actually we need universal basic income because of automation. Oh and everyone has a home here. The entire Dem platform is illogical because of illegals and birthright.

That's a hell of a rant. You're far too young to be this bitter already. Get some sun.

[Winehole23]

Sure. Don't defend based on it existing for a long time. It being "custom here" is irrelevant and reeks of bullshit considering how much Dems hate and want to change about this country.I already defended it on the basis of it having been good for the US in the past and probably just as good for the future. That it happens to be settled constitutional law is a definite bonus.

What is it you say Democrats hate and want to change about this country?

[Trill Clinton]

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[Nathan89]

It is absolutely punishment to rip someone from the life they've built and send them to a country they've never known. If you found out your parents weren't actually born here, that they'd lied to you your whole life, and now the US Government was sending you to El Salvador because that's where they came from, you would just be cool with that?

And you didn't answer the question about grandparents. Conveniently.



That's a hell of a rant. You're far too young to be this bitter already. Get some sun.

They should be shipped out with their parents as children. It wouldn't be a punishment. They should not be crowding our schools. They should not be utilizing our taxes. They wouldn't have built a life at that point.

The rant is the reality of the Dem platform. It's completely illogical.

[Nathan89]

I already defended it on the basis of it having been good for the US in the past and probably just as good for the future. That it happens to be settled constitutional law is a definite bonus.

What is it you say Democrats hate and want to change about this country?

No, not probably just as good in the future. It's not even good in the present. People coming to a manufacturing country in the past is significantly different than coming to the current country.

[Nathan89]

Pretty sure yesteryears immigrants weren't coming for some big government welfare state to provide everything for them tbh. I think that's a big difference.

We didn't even have a minimum wage at the time of high foreign born populations. Now we have illegals that undercut that government enforced floor. Basically you can't have big government if you want to flood the country with cheap labor.

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty sure yesteryears immigrants weren't coming for some big government welfare state to provide everything for them tbh. I think that's a big difference.

We didn't even have a minimum wage at the time of high foreign born populations. Now we have illegals that undercut that government enforced floor. Basically you can't have big government if you want to flood the country with cheap labor.

You are aware that everything you have claimed against brown people, every accusation, every slur, every justification for your hate -

was also used against every other group of immigrants that came here legally and illegally, right?

We have seen this movie before it is just that right now brown people are the preferred target. Nothing you have said is unique to this argument and this is what America became. Good and bad. Native Americans are the only ones that are really here legally if you really want to be accurate & honest. You don't.

[Nathan89]

You are aware that everything you have claimed against brown people, every accusation, every slur, every justification for your hate -

was also used against every other group of immigrants that came here legally and illegally, right?

We have seen this movie before it is just that right now brown people are the preferred target. Nothing you have said is unique to this argument and this is what America became. Good and bad. Native Americans are the only ones that are really here legally if you really want to be accurate & honest. You don't.

I haven't used any slur. Also yes I'm aware that iq discussion has existed in the past. That doesn't mean it should not be a concern for the country. The iq scores of some groups have yet to converge upwards. Therefore we should be cautious.

Native Americans were also fighting for land grabs. This is the self hating nonsense that is pervasive of the young left. "We stole the land therefore we have no more right to this country than anyone else." They aren't coming here because they lack land. They are coming here because they have built inferior countries. Your nonsense perspective regarding who is legal will only lead to the destruction of that if you really want to be accurate and honest. You don't.

[Spurminator]

They should be shipped out with their parents as children. It wouldn't be a punishment. They should not be crowding our schools. They should not be utilizing our taxes. They wouldn't have built a life at that point.

:lol "Crowding our schools"


As of 2011, at least 5,100 children currently living in foster care who are prevented from uniting with their detained or deported parents.If nothing changes, 15,000 more children may face a similar fate in the next 5 years.
https://www.raceforward.org/research/reports/shattered-families?arc=1

20 thousand kids, based on estimates. In a country of 325 million. With 100 thousand schools.

And you're worried about this altering demographics.

[diego]

I haven't used any slur. Also yes I'm aware that iq discussion has existed in the past. That doesn't mean it should not be a concern for the country. The iq scores of some groups have yet to converge upwards. Therefore we should be cautious.

Native Americans were also fighting for land grabs. This is the self hating nonsense that is pervasive of the young left. "We stole the land therefore we have no more right to this country than anyone else." They aren't coming here because they lack land. They are coming here because they have built inferior countries. Your nonsense perspective regarding who is legal will only lead to the destruction of that if you really want to be accurate and honest. You don't.

Accurate and honest? Tell me about Guatemalan land ownership accurately and honestly, I'd love to hear what has changed in the past 100 years that I'm unaware of

[Nathan89]

:lol "Crowding our schools"


https://www.raceforward.org/research/reports/shattered-families?arc=1

20 thousand kids, based on estimates. In a country of 325 million. With 100 thousand schools.

And you're worried about this altering demographics.

7% of students k-12 were anchor babies in 2012.

1.4% of students were illegals.

That's 12% and 3% for California. These students require extra english classes and a great percentage of them require government lunch. California has some the most crowed classes in the country. So basically the quality of education is suffering because idiots want to support illegals. Send your paychecks to another country if you want to support them. Stop using this country as a charity.

[Winehole23]

That's not happening immigrants pay taxes and contribute in many ways to the economy in Texas.

Did you read the TTPF thing I posted upstream?

That's a conservative leaning Texas think tank, btw.

[Winehole23]

Even 12 years ago there was empirical support.

The Comptroller of Texas at the time, Carole Keeton-Strayhorn, netted out immigrants to Texas as a positive.

[Winehole23]

Criticism of the study is included at the TPPF link.

[ElNono]

California having a major tech hub stresses the iq factor even more. They have been bringing talent from all across America for decades and still have terrible iq scores. Their school test scores are also terrible. Also them being a tech hub has nothing to do with illegals.

So almost as high as the all time high with growing projections going forward.

You're the one hanging your entire argument about prognostication on IQ scores.

A "normal" IQ score is not "terrible", it's actually the average across the entire United States. Your ignorance about IQ scores, however, is duly noted.

At least if you're going to make it a central point of your argument, do the leg work of figuring out if it makes sense at all.

[ElNono]

It's not punishment. All the best countries in the world do it.

But if the US moved to a system like Italy or Spain (first world countries both), you would be bitching too.

Italy grants citizenship if one of the parents, grandparents or grand-grandparents were Italian, in other words, 3 generations down. With the current amount of generational hispanics (which seem to be your biggest beef), that'll make it very easy to pass citizenship along down the chain.

Spain also grants citizenship Jus sanguinis, 2 generations down, if the parents' citizenship cannot be established or one year after living in Spain if neither parent is a national, as long as the kid was born in Spain.

And that's just two I looked up, I'm sure there's plenty more.

[Nathan89]

But if the US moved to a system like Italy or Spain (first world countries both), you would be bitching too.

Italy grants citizenship if one of the parents, grandparents or grand-grandparents were Italian, in other words, 3 generations down. With the current amount of generational hispanics (which seem to be your biggest beef), that'll make it very easy to pass citizenship along down the chain.

Spain also grants citizenship Jus sanguinis, 2 generations down, if the parents' citizenship cannot be established or one year after living in Spain if neither parent is a national, as long as the kid was born in Spain.

And that's just two I looked up, I'm sure there's plenty more.

First thought is that wouldn't be too detrimental to the US. Far better than birthright. But I would not implement that system either.

[ElNono]

First thought is that wouldn't be too detrimental to the US. Far better than birthright. But I would not implement that system either.

Of course, that's because the problem you have is not with immigration per-se, it's with party politics. You fear has nothing to do with immigrants, but how they'll potentially vote should they ever become citizen, in light of how your current party labels them.

It's understandable, but completely superficial and shortsighted. Immigration will continue happening in whichever ways (legally preferably), and there won't be any IQ test involved. AFAIK, not a single nation requires IQ tests for immigration. It's the wrong barometer too. At least with legal immigration, the idea is that it fills a gap in workers demand. You don't need high IQ for every one of those jobs, what's sought after is know-how and experience.

[Nathan89]

Of course, that's because the problem you have is not with immigration per-se, it's with party politics. You fear has nothing to do with immigrants, but how they'll potentially vote should they ever become citizen, in light of how your current party labels them.

It's understandable, but completely superficial and shortsighted. Immigration will continue happening in whichever ways (legally preferably), and there won't be any IQ test involved. AFAIK, not a single nation requires IQ tests for immigration. It's the wrong barometer too. At least with legal immigration, the idea is that it fills a gap in workers demand. You don't need high IQ for every one of those jobs, what's sought after is know-how and experience.

I've made that concern clear but that's not my only concern. And that is a concern everyone would have. That was clear by the rampant racism and hysteria of Kavanaugh being put on the supreme court. So yes considering that concern anyone coming into the country should be a massive plus to it. Illegals and low skilled immigrants are not that.

[Spurminator]

7% of students k-12 were anchor babies in 2012.

1.4% of students were illegals.

That's 12% and 3% for California. These students require extra english classes and a great percentage of them require government lunch. California has some the most crowed classes in the country. So basically the quality of education is suffering because idiots want to support illegals. Send your paychecks to another country if you want to support them. Stop using this country as a charity.

Seven percent were anchor babies?? Source?

[ElNono]

I've made that concern clear but that's not my only concern. And that is a concern everyone would have. That was clear by the rampant racism and hysteria of Kavanaugh being put on the supreme court. So yes considering that concern anyone coming into the country should be a massive plus to it. Illegals and low skilled immigrants are not that.

Your concern is largely political, immigration (at least legal) is an economic decision/concern.

I would argue that what's basically wrong with your stance is that it's largely based on ignorance. You want to apply tests you're not familiar with that no other country applies (and rightly so), then when you do bring up other countries, you're not aware of their immigration laws. On top of that, you display unabashed prejudices about immigrants in general, which is itself a display of ignorance.

I don't mean this as a personal attack, but more of an enticement to better inform yourself (or not, you're certainly entitled to to keep politics superficial). That said, it's difficult to have a conversation with any kind of depth when people don't take the time to inform themselves.

[Spurminator]

I've made that concern clear but that's not my only concern.

Your concern is that you have not been as successful in life as you thought you'd be and you're blaming people who don't look like you.

[ElNono]

Seven percent were anchor babies?? Source?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/18/chapter-1-state-unauthorized-immigrant-populations/

[ElNono]

Should be noted it's actually 5.5%... but close enough.

EDIT: it's actually not an accurate figure anyways, because it says "Children with at least one unauthorized immigrant parent", which means that some of them had at least 1 authorized parent, and that makes them non-anchor-babies.

[Nathan89]

Your concern is largely political, immigration (at least legal) is an economic decision/concern.

I would argue that what's basically wrong with your stance is that it's largely based on ignorance. You want to apply tests you're not familiar with that no other country applies (and rightly so), then when you do bring up other countries, you're not aware of their immigration laws. On top of that, you display unabashed prejudices about immigrants in general, which is itself a display of ignorance.

I don't mean this as a personal attack, but more of an enticement to better inform yourself (or not, you're certainly entitled to to keep politics superficial). That said, it's difficult to have a conversation with any kind of depth when people don't take the time to inform themselves.

I have multiple concerns.

Iq tests correlate to success and crime rates. Studies show a great deal of iq is heritable. I don't care if other countries don't do it.

What prejudice have I shown towards immigrants?

[AaronY]

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[ElNono]

I have multiple concerns.

Iq tests correlate to success and crime rates. Studies show a great deal of iq is heritable. I don't care if other countries don't do it.

What prejudice have I shown towards immigrants?

IQ tests provide results in bands. Low, Normal, High. ie: a 10 point swing is negligible. Plus, again, it's not a barometer, people don't sponsor immigrants (solely) because they're smart, but because they can do a job. If the job require smarts, then they'll look for that, but it's simply not the determining factor.

About prejudice, here's at least one, and a post that pretty much sums up what your feelings are on the matter, IMVHO:


Of course very little will be done. Most the anchor babies will eventually vote for the free shit party. Europe doesn't have anchor babies. That's the lefts blueprint yet for some reason they have yet to suggest coping that.

Really the US should split in two now. Half country can flood their country via open borders. That same half can attempt to provide everything to all those people. The other half can go in a better direction.

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

you worried?

[Pavlov]

:lol he's terrified.

[Chris]

Am I worried about undocumented people and potential threats to my immediate domain here in Texas? Of course, and only and idiot would not be. Possible ISIS, human traffickers, murderers fleeing conviction, and God knows what else. At best an unskilled worker and net drain to the economy. When one of these assholes kills one of your loved ones on the highway, I'm sure you will be thankful you weren't worried about it.

[Winehole23]

Your fears about ISIS, crime and criminals show your gullibility. These people are fleeing crime and criminals. The statistics for the correlation of immigration status and crime are unambiguous: illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than your fellow Texans.

The studies about whether illegal immigrants are a net plus or a net negative to the economy are mixed:there's a pretty good rundown of the relevant studies in the TPPF paper I posted upstream.

[pgardn]

No shit. Thanks for making an irrelevant comment.

You made it relevant.
So yeah...

[pgardn]

For the same reason California is a bottom 3 iq state. Until that is proven temporary the US is on a likely detrimental long-term track.

Just because European immigrants turned out great doesn't mean immigrants from everywhere will be. Hillary for example wanted to flood our country with 500k refugees from countries with the highest proportion of inbreds in the world.

This is possibly the lowest IQ argument ever.

What does IQ measure Nathan? You think this is like a frkn blood test for O2 levels. You have no clue concerning measurement.

What does this test measure?

[Winehole23]

"merit"

[Winehole23]

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The Mayor of Tijuana, Mexico, just stated that “the City is ill-prepared to handle this many migrants, the backlog could last 6 months.” Likewise, the U.S. is ill-prepared for this invasion, and will not stand for it. They are causing crime and big problems in Mexico. Go home!

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

DJT sent 5,900 US troops to secure 1900 miles of border with 22 miles of razor wire.

ROE forbid them from coming into contact with border crossers except to render assistance.

[Chris]

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EHYUP

[Winehole23]

Fox and team BONGINO are skimpy on the details

[Pavlov]

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EHYUPGreat, if the record is bad don't let those guys in when they try to apply for asylum.

Simple.

[Pavlov]

Fox and team BONGINO are skimpy on the detailsIt's DHS that is skimpy on the details.

[Chris]

These uppity brown nationalists...


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[Winehole23]

Who hired the Mexican nationalist mob? Is that a thing now?

[Chris]

Who hired the Mexican nationalist mob? Is that a thing now?

What's your conspiracy theory here?

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1064662007738183680Operation Election Stunt ends before caravan even reaches border.

[Chris]

Operation Election Stunt ends before caravan even reaches border.

Weren't you or someone else whining about the troops being away for the holidays during Halloween? :lol

[Pavlov]

Weren't you or someone else whining about the troops being away for the holidays during Halloween? :lolI thought Trump would at least keep the pretense of a threat up for a month.

It's hilarious he can't even sustain his own lie.

[boutons_deux]

5000 troops,

nobody attacking them,

nothing to do,

living in tents,

missing Thanksgiving with family,

$200M+ WASTED

[TeyshaBlue]

Operation Election Stunt ends before caravan even reaches border.

Operation Election Stunt! :tu. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46501601_10101309049127519_94264357369675776_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=4ae794458ebedc47d7a218ca56a06c9c&oe=5C6B69E9

[Spurminator]

Weren't you or someone else whining about the troops being away for the holidays during Halloween? :lol

Serious question, did you have interpersonal dialogue with a real person today?

[rmt]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46501601_10101309049127519_94264357369675776_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=4ae794458ebedc47d7a218ca56a06c9c&oe=5C6B69E9

What/where is this pic of?

[Winehole23]

What's your conspiracy theory here?None whatsoever.

You act knowledgeable, enough to post on it, what's your take?

[Chris]

None whatsoever.

You act knowledgeable, enough to post on it, what's your take?

Looks like grassroots nationalism to me.

[ElNono]

brown

ding

[Winehole23]

Looks like grassroots nationalism to me.Must be peculiar to Tijuana. There was nothing like it in DF or at the border with Guatemala..

[Chris]

Must be peculiar to Tijuana. There was nothing like it in DF or at the border with Guatemala..

If you have a theory I would love to hear it.

[Winehole23]

you said it was grassroots. what organizations?

[Chris]

If you have a theory I would love to hear it.

[Chris]

1064771403818266624

The "resistance" and the swamp appear to be one and the same.

[Winehole23]

If you have any more information about your own post regarding grassroots Mexican nationalism, please do share.

[Winehole23]

to sum up, the majority of so-called illegal immigrants to the US come on valid visas and overstay them, and these are increasingly Asian and college-degreed.

walk us through the threat these people pose, Nathan89 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20260).

is it that they may one day exclude you for being underperforming?no one wants to talk about the increasingly Asian cast of immigration to the US.

why is that?

[Winehole23]

as evidenced by the MAGAbomber and the Robert Bowers, we have more to fear from the people who are complaining about the caravan than we do about the caravan itself.

11 people dead and the caravan is still far away.

[Winehole23]

I get that concern trolling about immigration is a stalking horse for racism.

I just wanted to give Nathan89 a chance to explain it some other way. He seems content to presume immigration is exclusively a social ill without any explanation at all.Throwing this out there again.

I received no response from anyone.

Why is immigration bad?

[boutons_deux]

Troops Sent To U.S.-Mexico Border Under Anti-Caravan Push To Start Heading Home

President Trump launched a high-profile troop deployment ahead of the midterms. Now it’s winding down.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-mexico-border-troops-caravan_us_5bf337d2e4b0376c9e67e213?utm_medium=ema il&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__112018&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__112018+CID_a9446a5f b469610f9647053d0bf43048&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__112018

[rmt]

no one wants to talk about the increasingly Asian cast of immigration to the US.

why is that?

Probably because the South East Asians are the least likely set of immigrants to be on welfare and likely speak English? So what do Americans prefer - the Asians who are college-degreed and likely (net) pay taxes or those who don't speak English/low-skilled and who we'll have to educate?

[monosylab1k]

1064771403818266624

The "resistance" and the swamp appear to be one and the same.

Sup Chris, how’s the nofap life going?

[AaronY]

Am I worried about undocumented people and potential threats to my immediate domain here in Texas? Of course, and only and idiot would not be. Possible ISIS, human traffickers, murderers fleeing conviction, and God knows what else. At best an unskilled worker and net drain to the economy. When one of these assholes kills one of your loved ones on the highway, I'm sure you will be thankful you weren't worried about it.
Goddamn that is one hell of a beautifully perfect votingrepublican.jpeg post

[AaronY]

Sup Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656), how’s the nofap life going?
dont be a beta male brah

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsXp4SgWoAIItMT.jpg

embrace the no fap life like a tru alpha

[Winehole23]

Probably because the South East Asians are the least likely set of immigrants to be on welfare and likely speak English? So what do Americans prefer - the Asians who are college-degreed and likely (net) pay taxes or those who don't speak English/low-skilled and who we'll have to educate?depends on whether or not white people notice them, but yeah, being degreed and English-speaking are definite plusses.

good luck!

[AaronY]

no one wants to talk about the increasingly Asian cast of immigration to the US.

why is that?
They talk about it when they cry about the H1B visa people:

https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

[Chris]

Sup Chris, how’s the nofap life going?

Don't @ me faggot.

[Chris]

Goddamn that is one hell of a beautifully perfect votingrepublican.jpeg post

Where would you be without your meme poor fella

[Winehole23]

They talk about it when they cry about the H1B visa people:

https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visasI heard engineers and programmers complaining about this as early as the mid 1990s, I bet you could find a couple five threads here.

[AaronY]

Where would you be without your meme poor fella
"postquote with Bengarrisoncartoon.jpeg beneath it. hahaha take that libtard. omggg so owned!"

etc etc

[AaronY]

I heard engineers and programmers complaining about this as early as the mid 1990s, I bet you could find a couple five threads here.
Not just engineers a lot of other votingrepublican.jpeg style posters like ducks, nathan, chris, etc.

[boutons_deux]

no one wants to talk about the increasingly Asian cast of immigration to the US.

... above all, Harvard doesn't

[Spurminator]

Am I worried about undocumented people and potential threats to my immediate domain here in Texas? Of course, and only and idiot would not be. Possible ISIS, human traffickers, murderers fleeing conviction, and God knows what else.

No wonder you stay in the basement.

The world is scawy.

[DMX7]

Tijuana mayor, Juan Manuel Gastelum, is considering a referendum on whether or not the city should "accept" the migrants -- whatever "accept" even means under these circumstances. If a referendum does takes place and the city votes "no", then you can bet your bottom much of the media will unfairly call the city xenophobic, racists, etc.

[boutons_deux]

A policy strongly supported by ST racists

White House expected to give U.S. troops permission to use force to protect Border Patrol

The Trump administration plans to grant U.S. troops on the Mexican border the authority to use force to help protect Border Patrol officers, defense officials said Tuesday, a significant widening of a mission already criticized as politically motivated rather than a national security priority.

President Trump is expected a sign an executive order giving armed troops the authority to intervene if U.S. personnel are endangered by migrants trying to cross the border,

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-border-troops-20181120-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

White nationalism: they're brown, kill 'em

[MultiTroll]

the authority to use force to help protect Border Patrol officers,

President Trump is expected a sign an executive order giving armed troops the authority to intervene if U.S. personnel are endangered by migrants trying to cross the border,

TF is wrong with that?
You want the BP to just stand there and take it up the ass if harm comes their way from your beloved illegal ims?
TFOH

[boutons_deux]

TF is wrong with that?
You want the BP to just stand there and take it up the ass if harm comes their way from your beloved illegal ims?
TFOH

BP doesn't carry arms?

Trash's "US Army can slaughter brownies" is blatantly political red meat to his racist, blood thirsty cult base as was his campaign bullshit of sending the Army to the border.

How many of the 1000s of BP have been attacked by brownies with guns?

[Winehole23]

god forbid a footsore parade of hungry Central Americans should inconvenience Border Patrol with too many requests for asylum.

looks like Trump still hasn't found a way to legally prevent them from asking.

[MultiTroll]

god forbid a footsore parade of hungry Central Americans should inconvenience Border Patrol with too many requests for asylum.

looks like Trump still hasn't found a way to legally prevent them from asking.

How about all the Mexicans and other who applied legally long before the motorized caravan.
Why should they be shoved to back of the line so the obviously politicized caravan can keep CNN phaggots working?
Just because some homo judge temp blocked.

[MultiTroll]

Trash's "US Army can slaughter brownies" is blatantly political red meat to his racist, blood thirsty cult base as was his campaign bullshit of sending the Army to the border.
yawn. Strawman.
Stop wasting time.

[MultiTroll]

BP doesn't carry arms?

How many of the 1000s of BP have been attacked by brownies with guns?
1. Only use when needed.
2. Good question. More then one.

Donny want's them to be prepared lest some plan of violence by fake migrants.

[Winehole23]

How about all the Mexicans and other who applied legally long before the motorized caravan.
Why should they be shoved to back of the line so the obviously politicized caravan can keep CNN phaggots working?
Just because some homo judge temp blocked.yep. because court orders by homo temp judges have the force of law.

I don't know anything about stack management, but how do you say it works? asylum seekers push others to the back of the line? how does that work?

too bad Trump and the US Congress couldn't figure out some legal way to fix this terrible mess.

how about hiring a few more immigration judges to clear the backlog?

[MultiTroll]

yep. because court orders by homo temp judges have the force of law.

how about hiring a few more immigration judges to clear the backlog?
:blah the *law*

How about taking the shit stains that run Honduras etc out so the caravan can go back and live in peace?

[Winehole23]

:blah the *law*

How about taking the shit stains that run Honduras etc out so the caravan can go back and live in peace?it's a bit late for that, the shit stains are indebted to us now.

[MultiTroll]

it's a bit late for that, the shit stains are indebted to us now.
Not at all.
Once the criminal politician and thugs have been removed, the land could be tilled for healthful growing. I would be assigned to watch over a staff of hardworking babes who would grown pristine romaine lettuce and other healthy crops.
https://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/honduran-girl_world-cup-2014_04.jpg

[DMX7]

BP doesn't carry arms?

Trash's "US Army can slaughter brownies" is blatantly political red meat to his racist, blood thirsty cult base as was his campaign bullshit of sending the Army to the border.

How many of the 1000s of BP have been attacked by brownies with guns?

You're going totally over the top. The caravan did use force to break into southern Mexico, so it's not outrageous to say that the troops near the border can intervene if U.S. personnel are endangered. It's not an order to "slaughter" the caravan. Give me a break.

[boutons_deux]

You're going totally over the top. The caravan did use force to break into southern Mexico, so it's not outrageous to say that the troops near the border can intervene if U.S. personnel are endangered. It's not an order to "slaughter" the caravan. Give me a break.

force? bare-handed force?

slaughter is what the US Army will deliver if ordered to deliver slaughter.

Killing unarmed non-whites is fundamental to imperial, brutality-sodden US govt policy.

The immigrants may be Catholics, but that's the wrong flavor of Christian, so fire away.

[Pavlov]

:blah the *law*

How about taking the shit stains that run Honduras etc out so the caravan can go back and live in peace?
lol how do you think the shit stains in Central America got there in the first place, Fabbs?

[koriwhat]

force? bare-handed force?

slaughter is what the US Army will deliver if ordered to deliver slaughter.

Killing unarmed non-whites is fundamental to imperial, brutality-sodden US govt policy.

The immigrants may be Catholics, but that's the wrong flavor of Christian, so fire away.

easy solution... don't try and break our laws by trying to come here illegally.

your incessant crying for those not citizens of this country is disgusting.

[DMX7]

force? bare-handed force?

slaughter is what the US Army will deliver if ordered to deliver slaughter.

Killing unarmed non-whites is fundamental to imperial, brutality-sodden US govt policy.

The immigrants may be Catholics, but that's the wrong flavor of Christian, so fire away.

They used enough force to break into Mexico -- that, I can tell you.

And I don't buy for one second what you're saying. The military isn't going to slaughter the caravan even if ordered. The military knows better... It also know that media from around the world are at the border and will closely scrutinize its every action.

But tell me this Boutons... why aren't more caravan members claiming asylum in Mexico? Mexico is willing to hear their claims and has even offered work permits, schooling, and more.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, the troops probably won't be anywhere near the caravan and there is no way the commanders are going to change the ROE to include whatever Trump is fantasizing about. I don't even think the troops are armed.

[boutons_deux]

They used enough force to break into Mexico -- that, I can tell you.

And I don't buy for one second what you're saying. The military isn't going to slaughter the caravan even if ordered. The military knows better... It also know that media from around the world are at the border and will closely scrutinize its every action.

But tell me this Boutons... why aren't more caravan members claiming asylum in Mexico? Mexico is willing to hear their claims and has even offered work permits, schooling, and more.

probably because the Northern Triangle people know MX is as impoverished, murderous, corrupt, shitty as their own countries

Slaughter, massacre doesn't have to be 100s, 10 max would qualify. Just a few mothers and kids up front would suffice

[DMX7]

probably because the Northern Triangle people know MX is as impoverished, murderous, corrupt, shitty as their own countries

Slaughter, massacre doesn't have to be 100s, 10 max would qualify. Just a few mothers and kids up front would suffice

Yeah, I don't buy it. There isn't going to a slaughter of 10 or more... or probably any.

Reports are that the Haitian refugees from the earthquakes years ago who couldn't get into the US have gotten jobs and integrated well into Tijuana. The crisis at the border is being exasperated by the unwillingness of many to claim asylum in Mexico.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, I don't buy it. There isn't going to a slaughter of 10 or more... or probably any.

Reports are that the Haitian refugees from the earthquakes years ago who couldn't get into the US have gotten jobs and integrated well into Tijuana. The crisis at the border is being exasperated by the unwillingness of many to claim asylum in Mexico.Most will end up in Mexico if history is an example. The only big deal about this caravan is that some people are making such a big deal of it.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, the troops probably won't be anywhere near the caravan and there is no way the commanders are going to change the ROE to include whatever Trump is fantasizing about. I don't even think the troops are armed.no way do they fire on the so-called caravan.

they'd have to be ordered to, is the only conceivable way it could happen.

many of them wouldn't. it's illegal to obey illegal orders.

[DMX7]

Most will end up in Mexico if history is an example. The only big deal about this caravan is that some people are making such a big deal of it.

It's still a bigger deal than past caravans because it's made up of so many people. Tijuana isn't prepared to cope with this many people who need assistance and are basically just waiting around to cross the US-MEX border.... at least according to the mayor.

[Pavlov]

It's still a bigger deal than past caravans because it's made up of so many people. Tijuana isn't prepared to cope with this many people who need assistance and are basically just waiting around to cross the US-MEX border.... at least according to the mayor.
https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/content_100p/s3/tijuana_mayor.jpg

Yeah, not sure if I'm going to trust the word of a mayor with a 4% approval rating to honestly gauge the ability of a city of 1.6 million to accommodate 3000 migrants.

[DMX7]

https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/content_100p/s3/tijuana_mayor.jpg

Yeah, not sure if I'm going to trust the word of a mayor with a 4% approval rating to honestly gauge the ability of a city of 1.6 million to accommodate 3000 migrants.

Ok, but just look at the actual conditions there:

bobA_AK6AIU

It's not just the mayor saying this.

[Pavlov]

Ok, but just look at the actual conditions there:

bobA_AK6AIU

It's not just the mayor saying this.About what I expected. There's a good chance they'll be in cages in the states.

[Fabbs]

On Monday, DHS officials told reporters that their intelligence on Sunday night had indicated that a group of migrants wanted to run through the car lanes of a border crossing near San Diego. Customs and Border Protection shut down all northbound lanes of the crossing from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. as a result. However, the ambush was never attempted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/feds-have-paid-undercover-informants-migrant-caravan-n938416

Feds have paid undercover informants in migrant caravan
The 4,000 migrants have used WhatsApp text message groups to communicate along their journey, and DHS personnel have joined those groups to gather info.

[boutons_deux]

it's illegal to obey illegal orders.

torture is illegal, but DHS/ICE is torturing children, damaging them for life, with family separation

Illegal to bomb the shit out of non-combattants, but USA has been doing it for years, is doing it.

The military, like law enforcement, is full of sick, sadistic people who joined to kill.

[Winehole23]

Trump is paying the Caravan to narc on itself. is that what Fabbs just said?

[boutons_deux]

White House approves broad new powers — including use of deadly force — for U.S. troops on the border

A memo signed by White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly authorized the 5,900 troops on the border to protect Border Patrol officers and other U.S. personnel.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-border-troops-20181121-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

So it's not a Presidential EO? It's just soon-to-be-fired Kelly? Trash is too chicken for an EO?

[boutons_deux]

Down on the border, Texas volunteers open their homes and hearts to asylum seekers

Tugging wagons loaded with chicken dinners, blankets, coats and shoes, Mike Benavides and his partner, Sergio Cordova, guided half a dozen volunteers across the bridge from Texas into one of Mexico’s most dangerous states.

They walked past Mexican customs and headed to a group of about two dozen migrants camping under tarps at the foot of the bridge. Days before, the volunteers had brought them the tarps.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-asylum-volunteers-20181121-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

[rmt]

Ok, but just look at the actual conditions there:

bobA_AK6AIU

It's not just the mayor saying this.

What is with this woman complaining about the food she's given. And she doesn't look like she's anywhere near starving to death - just saying.

[Chris]

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[DMX7]

I think some Mexicans are offended that so many migrants refuse to claim asylum in Mexico...

[rmt]

I think some Mexicans are offended that so many migrants refuse to claim asylum in Mexico...

If the migrants were REALLY fleeing persecution/violence, they would claim asylum in Mexico and not walk/ride a thousand? miles more to get to the US.

[boutons_deux]

If the migrants were REALLY fleeing persecution/violence, they would claim asylum in Mexico and not walk/ride a thousand? miles more to get to the US.

They know opportunity in MX is much lower than US, while corruption, violence just as bad as their home countries.

MX officials are shaking down asylum seekers piling up on the MX side,

as El Chapo's trial witnesses are claiming huge corruption by drug cartels of the MX police and military.

It's so bad in their home countries, deported parents prefer to leave their orphaned kids in USA than bring back to their US-created shithole countries.

[rmt]

What I don't get is that they are offered asylum further south, refuse it and expect good food to be offered on the northern Mexico border. Sorry, if I were Mexico, the only offer would be on the southern border - if you don't accept, you're on your own - provide your own food and shelter or better yet deport them back as they are then illegal in Mexico. Unfortunately, US law seems to be dependent on Mexico/Canada doing this and that's why we're in this mess with non-contiguous countries.

[rmt]

They know opportunity in MX is much lower than US, while corruption, violence just as bad as their home countries.

MX officials are shaking down asylum seekers, as El Chapo's trial witnesses are claiming huge corruption by narcs of the MX police and military.

It's so bad in their home countries, deported parents prefer to leave their orphaned kids in USA than bring back to their US-created shithole countries.

Opportunity is much lower in most countries than US - that is not a valid reason for asylum. You seem to think that the entire planet should be allowed to come here and then what - the US becomes the same shit hole that you claim they are all coming from.

[boutons_deux]

"Opportunity is much lower in most countries than US - that is not a valid reason for asylum"

the primary reason for seeking asylum is to escape the violence, corruption in their home countries. More opportunity, and less corruption in USA.

"You seem to think that the entire planet should be allowed to come here"

You Lie and are full of ignorant, racist bullshit

[boutons_deux]

Migrants Seeking Asylum Now Forced to Pay Bribes to Enter the U.S.


https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/23/migrants-seeking-asylum-now-forced-to-pay-bribes-to-enter-the-u-s.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[rmt]

"Opportunity is much lower in most countries than US - that is not a valid reason for asylum"

the primary reason for seeking asylum is to escape the violence, corruption in their home countries. More opportunity, and less corruption in USA.

"You seem to think that the entire planet should be allowed to come here"

You Lie and are full of ignorant, racist bullshit

Since the US has more opportunity, less violence and corruption than most other countries and those are their reasons for coming, shouldn't it follow that (to you) most of the entire planet (excluding, of course, the European socialist citizens who wouldn't want to come here because their countries are "better" than the US :-) + Australia/New Zealand/etc should be allowed to come here.

[boutons_deux]

Trump sending troops to intercept caravan is illegal

Sending troops to the border to intercept asylum-seeking migrants is an illegal bald-faced political stunt

“The deployment of US troops to the Southern border is an illegitimate political ploy and a serious misuse of the military.

This action casts shame on a government that treats refugees seeking asylum as enemies.”

The illegality of Trump’s order to the military opens the door to the possibility that service members will resist it:

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Nuremberg Principles and Army Field Manuals, service members have a duty to obey lawful orders and a duty to disobey unlawful orders.

Trump’s lawyers invariably realized that using the military to enforce the laws is prohibited by the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act forbids (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385) the willful use of “any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws.” It has been applied as well to the Navy and Marine Corps (https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1251/MR1251.AppD.pdf).

The only exception to the Posse Comitatus Act’s prohibition is “in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.”

“Black Hawk helicopters equipped with night sensors will be available to ferry Border Patrol personnel ‘exactly where they need to be’ to ‘spot groups’ and ‘to fast-rope down’ to intercept migrants trying to cross the border.

Military aircraft will conduct surveillance.”

Troops who carry out these functions would also be participating in the enforcement of the immigration laws.

“Military personnel are legally prohibited from engaging in immigration enforcement, and there is no emergency or cost-benefit analysis to justify this sudden deployment,”

https://www.salon.com/2018/11/23/trump-sending-troops-to-intercept-caravan-is-illegal_partner/

So Trash, like Kemp, is LAWLESS, a political power play abusing the military, violating the Constitution he so-called swore to defend, but never read.

Who will punish Trash? What would be the penalty?

Or will Trash be free, unpunished, unaccountable, to continue violate the Constitution and international law indefinitely?

And where are the Repugs? nowhere, silently complicit, while upholding their only value:

fellating BigDonor for cash.

[Spurs Homer]

Trump sending troops to intercept caravan is illegal

Sending troops to the border to intercept asylum-seeking migrants is an illegal bald-faced political stunt

“The deployment of US troops to the Southern border is an illegitimate political ploy and a serious misuse of the military.

This action casts shame on a government that treats refugees seeking asylum as enemies.”

The illegality of Trump’s order to the military opens the door to the possibility that service members will resist it:

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Nuremberg Principles and Army Field Manuals, service members have a duty to obey lawful orders and a duty to disobey unlawful orders.

Trump’s lawyers invariably realized that using the military to enforce the laws is prohibited by the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act forbids (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385) the willful use of “any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws.” It has been applied as well to the Navy and Marine Corps (https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1251/MR1251.AppD.pdf).

The only exception to the Posse Comitatus Act’s prohibition is “in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.”

“Black Hawk helicopters equipped with night sensors will be available to ferry Border Patrol personnel ‘exactly where they need to be’ to ‘spot groups’ and ‘to fast-rope down’ to intercept migrants trying to cross the border.

Military aircraft will conduct surveillance.”

Troops who carry out these functions would also be participating in the enforcement of the immigration laws.

“Military personnel are legally prohibited from engaging in immigration enforcement, and there is no emergency or cost-benefit analysis to justify this sudden deployment,”

https://www.salon.com/2018/11/23/trump-sending-troops-to-intercept-caravan-is-illegal_partner/

So Trash, like Kemp, is LAWLESS, a political power play abusing the military, violating the Constitution he so-called swore to defend, but never read.

Who will punish Trash? What would be the penalty?

Or will Trash be free, unpunished, unaccountable, to continue violate the Constitution and international law indefinitely?

And where are the Repugs? nowhere, silently complicit, while upholding their only value:

fellating BigDonor for cash.







Cannot disagree with a word.

[Pavlov]

Since the US has more opportunity, less violence and corruption than most other countries and those are their reasons for coming, shouldn't it follow that (to you) most of the entire planet (excluding, of course, the European socialist citizens who wouldn't want to come here because their countries are "better" than the US :-) + Australia/New Zealand/etc should be allowed to come here.That was the way it was in the states until they thought too many Chinese were coming in.

Go figure.

[rmt]

That was the way it was in the states until they thought too many Chinese were coming in.

Go figure.

The difference is the Chinese (as opposed to this caravan) probably pull their own weight (meaning don't do on welfare) and (in my experience) speak excellent English. They have their babies (American citizenship is insurance for the future in case of China) and go back to China. They want their children raised CHINESE. Then, maybe in the future, they have an up on college/university as a US citizen as opposed to an International.

[Pavlov]

The difference is the Chinese (as opposed to this caravan) probably pull their own weight (meaning don't do on welfare) and (in my experience) speak excellent English. They have their babies (American citizenship is insurance for the future in case of China) and go back to China. They want their children raised CHINESE. Then, maybe in the future, they have an up on college/university as a US citizen as opposed to an International.Take it up with US history, lady.

[rmt]

I don't particularly dwell on what the US did to the Chinese (or anyone else) back in the day - got nothing to do with me/don't know those people. I'm in the here and now and what I can do for my and especially my kids' future.

[Pavlov]

I don't particularly dwell on what the US did to the Chinese (or anyone else) back in the day - got nothing to do with me/don't know those people. I'm in the here and now and what I can do for my and especially my kids' future.:lol great. No need to get defensive about being Chinese.

[rmt]

:lol great. No need to get defensive about being Chinese.

I'm not - as far as I'm concerned I'm an island girl in a Chinese body. Other than Chinese food, there's not much Chinese in me - don't speak the language, don't think like them (but appreciate its culture as my dad is very much a old-fashioned, traditional Chinese man). What I'm trying to say (poorly, I guess) is that I am not chained by what happened to other people in the past - whether they were my skin color, ancestors, whatever. As far as I'm concerned, each person is his own individual and is in charge of/responsible for his own destiny. I don't like public education - I did something about it. If you believe in climate change and that we can do something about it, sell your car and ride/walk to work. Iow, put your money where your mouth is.

[Pavlov]

I'm not - as far as I'm concerned I'm an island girl in a Chinese body. Other than Chinese food, there's not much Chinese in me - don't speak the language, don't think like them (but appreciate its culture as my dad is very much a old-fashioned, traditional Chinese man). What I'm trying to say (poorly, I guess) is that I am not chained by what happened to other people in the past - whether they were my skin color, ancestors, whatever. As far as I'm concerned, each person is his own individual and is in charge of/responsible for his own destiny. I don't like public education - I did something about it. If you believe in climate change and that we can do something about it, sell your car and ride/walk to work. Iow, put your money where your mouth is.:lol ranting

[rmt]

:lol ranting

hardly - ranting is discussing vaccines with RG or anything Obamacare. This is chilling - no need to cook dinner, long weekend, 2 of 3 kids at home with me, waiting to return a damaged 55 inch TV so I can watch Star Trek Discovery with dh.

[koriwhat]

fuck that caravan... let it get to the border with everyone in it and then turn it around and push it back into the rio grande.

[Pavlov]

hardly - ranting is discussing vaccines with RG or anything Obamacare. This is chilling - no need to cook dinner, long weekend, 2 of 3 kids at home with me, waiting to return a damaged 55 inch TV so I can watch Star Trek Discovery with dh.always defensive

[ElNono]

I don't particularly dwell on what the US did to the Chinese (or anyone else) back in the day - got nothing to do with me/don't know those people. I'm in the here and now and what I can do for my and especially my kids' future.

:lol of course you don't dwell on things that are inconvenient for you to dwell on. That's called intellectual dishonesty. Goes hand in hand with the second part of that sentence: self-centering.

Obviously, none of this is a shocking development. You're well on your way to be another "don't touch my Medicare!" when the time comes. All about you.

[koriwhat]

I'm not - as far as I'm concerned I'm an island girl in a Chinese body. Other than Chinese food, there's not much Chinese in me - don't speak the language, don't think like them (but appreciate its culture as my dad is very much a old-fashioned, traditional Chinese man). What I'm trying to say (poorly, I guess) is that I am not chained by what happened to other people in the past - whether they were my skin color, ancestors, whatever. As far as I'm concerned, each person is his own individual and is in charge of/responsible for his own destiny. I don't like public education - I did something about it. If you believe in climate change and that we can do something about it, sell your car and ride/walk to work. Iow, put your money where your mouth is.

:tu

[Chris]

:lol of course you don't dwell on things that are inconvenient for you to dwell on. That's called intellectual dishonesty. Goes hand in hand with the second part of that sentence: self-centering.

Obviously, none of this is a shocking development. You're well on your way to be another "don't touch my Medicare!" when the time comes. All about you.


How long should we feel guilty and what are your recommended repurcussions?

[ElNono]

How long should we feel guilty and what are your recommended repurcussions?

Feeling guilty won't do it. You would be wise to introspect into the whole Jesus and Bible thingie and figure out how the whole selfishness thing is entirely incongruent with that.

But you won't, because you're a fake Christian and intellectual dishonesty and incoherence is a daily occurrence for you.

[ElNono]

Obviously, that requires thinking by oneself, a twitter thread from a third party won't do it for you.

[ElNono]

Arguably, getting our of your comfort zone is one of the most important character building things a person can do. Both at the social and intellectual levels.

Empathy is key here, but if you're in love with yourself, that's generally difficult to do.

[ElNono]

To be fair, this isn't exclusive of rmt or Chris, the incongruence of organized religion when it comes to this and the american conservative, their generally larger audience, has happened for a long time.

The only way to overcome it is with another intellectual dishonesty: those who are not conservatives are evil, have no morals, and they must be fought. Complete nonsense, even when they're aware it's not true.

[Chris]

^bunch of insults and cliche hoopla

*taking the high road and moving on

[Chris]

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[The Closer]

The difference is the Chinese (as opposed to this caravan) probably pull their own weight (meaning don't do on welfare) and (in my experience) speak excellent English. They have their babies (American citizenship is insurance for the future in case of China) and go back to China. They want their children raised CHINESE. Then, maybe in the future, they have an up on college/university as a US citizen as opposed to an International.

Fucking definition of anchor babies. :lmao

Shouldn't you be pissed the fuck off chinese repug? :lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

^bunch of insults and cliche hoopla

*taking the high road and moving on

Yeah, you're better off posting somebody's else thoughts on twitter. That really highlights your intellectual shrewdness on the topic, lmao

[rmt]

Fucking definition of anchor babies. :lmao

Shouldn't you be pissed the fuck off chinese repug? :lmao :lmao

The method described above does not bother the American taxpayer with the cost of educating K-12, welfare benefits, extra $ for ESOL programs, etc. The Chinese get citizenship and disappear for 18 years to later have an easier path to whichever elite US college and probably an eventual contributing, taxpaying PHD/grad.

[The Closer]

The method described above does not bother the American taxpayer with the cost of educating K-12, welfare benefits, extra $ for ESOL programs, etc. The Chinese get citizenship and disappear for 18 years to later have an easier path to whichever elite US college and probably an eventual contributing, taxpaying PHD/grad.

All that and they are still fuckkng Anchor chink babies. :lmao

[rmt]

Arguably, getting our of your comfort zone is one of the most important character building things a person can do. Both at the social and intellectual levels.

Empathy is key here, but if you're in love with yourself, that's generally difficult to do.

I guess quitting a good-paying government job to live on one income and taking on the job of education 3 kids up to high school are staying in one's comfort zone. Maybe I should have towed the typical line and allowed public school indoctrination of my kids and stayed at that government job - I'd be collecting a nice, fat pension right now instead of what I did. Stepping out into that unknown of teaching kids to read and do math (with no prior/previous experience) ain't exactly comfort zone stuff and neither is being with kids 24/7 equal being in love with myself - that'd be staying in safe, stable govt job and fobbing my kids off on public schools.

[rmt]

All that and they are still fuckkng Anchor chink babies. :lmao

I didn't say they weren't - I was attempting to explain why US citizens might not be as averse to Chinese anchor babies as others.

[ElNono]

I guess quitting a good-paying government job to live on one income and taking on the job of education 3 kids up to high school are staying in one's comfort zone. Maybe I should have towed the typical line and allowed public school indoctrination of my kids and stayed at that government job - I'd be collecting a nice, fat pension right now instead of what I did. Stepping out into that unknown of teaching kids to read and do math (with no prior/previous experience) ain't exactly comfort zone stuff and neither is being with kids 24/7 equal being in love with myself - that'd be staying in safe, stable govt job and fobbing my kids off on public schools.

Arguably, sending your kids to public school would be getting you out of your comfort zone. They received the indoctrination no matter what, but at least you would've worked out your prejudice about public schools (million of other kids that attend public school every year are doing just fine).

I'm glad you had the chance to be able not to have a job and raise your kids. Not a lot of people can do that. Hope you dwell about that people too, or when you were in those shoes (if you ever were).

I have no problem with people putting family first, tbh, the issue I see is when they put them 2nd and 3rd too, and they speak from a place of entitlement. I personally (and fortunately) worked my way up the stairs, but I never forget what's it like to be at the bottom. I think it's important. It's not all about me or my family, once we're in a good place.

[DMX7]

It's so bad in their home countries, deported parents prefer to leave their orphaned kids in USA than bring back to their US-created shithole countries.

“US-created”? Explain how.... did the US give $175million in aide to Honduras last year?

[ElNono]

“US-created”? Explain how.... did the US give $175million in aide to Honduras last year?

I have a perfectly understandable explanation for this answer, but I'll wait for boutons to completely miss the opportunity and really botch it.

[Spur916]

I've no dog in this fight (no strong feelings on the issue to take a definite stance) but how does Mexico (the govt. and police) just allow a mass of people foreign to their nation travel through their country heading for the northern border?

If they are claiming asylum then wouldn't they request that from Mexico else be subject for deportation?

[boutons_deux]

“US-created”? Explain how.... did the US give $175million in aide to Honduras last year?

do you google?

cia nicaragua

cia honduras

cia el salvador

cia guatemala

banana republic central america

Iran contra

etc, etc.

USA has meddle in, shit on Central America for decades.

[ElNono]

Besides the CIA coup issue (which granted, was more prominent in the Allende days), there's also the systematic political corruption that local corporations largely try to exploit instead of correcting (see Odebrecht for the more recent case in a long list)

In that sense, US corporations who have to compete in those areas also join that game, compounding the problem, and that certainly reflects poorly on the US as a country (which has laws to punish such behavior from US companies, but it's hard to track due to offshores, etc).

So I wouldn't necessarily put it as "US created", but the US-based presence in these countries is regularly criticized for their focus on money-making over improving the countries.

[boutons_deux]

So I wouldn't necessarily put it as "US created", but the US-based presence in these countries is regularly criticized for their focus on money-making over improving the countries.

US military also trained the military, para-military that keep those countries safe for BigCorp corruption, exploitation and for overthrowing democratically elected politicians who talk about health care, minimum wage, unions, workers' rights, "socialism".

[rmt]

Arguably, sending your kids to public school would be getting you out of your comfort zone. They received the indoctrination no matter what, but at least you would've worked out your prejudice about public schools (million of other kids that attend public school every year are doing just fine).

I'm glad you had the chance to be able not to have a job and raise your kids. Not a lot of people can do that. Hope you dwell about that people too, or when you were in those shoes (if you ever were).

I have no problem with people putting family first, tbh, the issue I see is when they put them 2nd and 3rd too, and they speak from a place of entitlement. I personally (and fortunately) worked my way up the stairs, but I never forget what's it like to be at the bottom. I think it's important. It's not all about me or my family, once we're in a good place.

ElNono, I was attempting (and obviously failed) to be SARCASTIC in my post - trying to refute your statement that I STAYED in my comfort zone and the implication that my character was not built by staying in my comfort zone. The easy thing was to have sent them to public school - NOT research curriculum, learn how to teach them to read/do math, short term lesson planning and long term college goals, etc. They did not received public school indoctrination - people might say instead they received our indoctrination - as in our values, religion, morals, behavior, etc. I realize that your post is based on my not too clear attempt at sarcasm. I will address the religion post when I get back from bowling.

[benefactor]

Damn...Nono bullying Chris in the paint like Dream did Robinson

[rmt]

Gosh, going back and reading your posts, ElNono, you were on a roll. It never ceases to amaze how people assume they "know" someone from what's posted on this board - especially one who flatly refuses to discuss religion on this board and for whom it would obviously be a big part of that person's life. What do you want to hear - about feeding the homeless, about Operation Christmas Child, about Angel Tree - then will you use labels like selfish, self-centered, all about you, etc? Shall I mention those so that religion can be mocked and painted with a wide brush?


To be fair, this isn't exclusive of rmt or Chris, the incongruence of organized religion when it comes to this and the american conservative, their generally larger audience, has happened for a long time.

The only way to overcome it is with another intellectual dishonesty: those who are not conservatives are evil, have no morals, and they must be fought. Complete nonsense, even when they're aware it's not true.

I'd like to see any of my posts that those who are not conservatives are evil, have no morals and must be fought.

I respectfully disagree that what this board needs (and I am speaking mostly to/about young people) is more empathy. There's too much empathy/sympathy floating around this board. What is needed is THANKFULNESS and APPRECIATION for the many blessings we have - particularly living in this country where we have the freedom to do and be whatever we want to be instead of what there's too much of around here - griping, complaining, blaming whoever/whatever for ills. Everyone here has access to the internet, is reasonably intelligent - go out and live your life the way you want to.

[koriwhat]

Gosh, going back and reading your posts, ElNono, you were on a roll. It never ceases to amaze how people assume they "know" someone from what's posted on this board - especially one who flatly refuses to discuss religion on this board and for whom it would obviously be a big part of that person's life. What do you want to hear - about feeding the homeless, about Operation Christmas Child, about Angel Tree - then will you use labels like selfish, self-centered, all about you, etc? Shall I mention those so that religion can be mocked and painted with a wide brush?



I'd like to see any of my posts that those who are not conservatives are evil, have no morals and must be fought.

I respectfully disagree that what this board needs (and I am speaking mostly to/about young people) is more empathy. There's too much empathy/sympathy floating around this board. What is needed is THANKFULNESS and APPRECIATION for the many blessings we have - particularly living in this country where we have the freedom to do and be whatever we want to be instead of what there's too much of around here - griping, complaining, blaming whoever/whatever for ills. Everyone here has access to the internet, is reasonably intelligent - go out and live your life the way you want to.

:tu

[Chris]

Damn...Nono bullying Chris in the paint like Dream did Robinson

lol wut

[ducks]

Washington Post: Mexico Backs Trump's Plan to Overhaul Asylum Rules

[ducks]

Trump administration makes tentative deal to force asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-makes-tentative-deal-with-mexico-to-force-asylum-seekers-to-wait-in-mexico-report

[ElNono]

Gosh, going back and reading your posts, ElNono, you were on a roll. It never ceases to amaze how people assume they "know" someone from what's posted on this board - especially one who flatly refuses to discuss religion on this board and for whom it would obviously be a big part of that person's life. What do you want to hear - about feeding the homeless, about Operation Christmas Child, about Angel Tree - then will you use labels like selfish, self-centered, all about you, etc? Shall I mention those so that religion can be mocked and painted with a wide brush?

I can only go by your post history, that's much richer than you give it credit to. Heck, my reply started on a self-centered post of yours...


I'd like to see any of my posts that those who are not conservatives are evil, have no morals and must be fought.

Your disdain for anything liberal is well documented. If you want the posts I can certainly link to them. It's your right to have that disdain, but don't feel offended when brought up.

Furthermore, you readily admit the decision to home school your children is largely related to the liberal indoctrination boogeyman. I didn't make that up, and I don't need to know much more about you to derive a conclusion about it.

You do get credit for not having the typical knee-jerk reaction to my post that the prototypical fake christian conservative did ITT, tbh

[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree that what this board needs (and I am speaking mostly to/about young people) is more empathy. There's too much empathy/sympathy floating around this board. What is needed is THANKFULNESS and APPRECIATION for the many blessings we have - particularly living in this country where we have the freedom to do and be whatever we want to be instead of what there's too much of around here - griping, complaining, blaming whoever/whatever for ills. Everyone here has access to the internet, is reasonably intelligent - go out and live your life the way you want to.[/QUOTE]

It's not just this board, I think we'll be better served if people that can, would take some time to put themselves into the shoes of the less fortunate, IMO. Sure, you're eventually going to run into some truly dumb people, that's unavoidable, but those can easily be ignored. It's the best way to get a first hand account, what their grievances are, etc.

BTW, I don't have anything against conservatism in general (except for social conservatism, which I've readily admitted to despise), I work with conservatives and have conservative friends in my life, like most people do. There's plenty I despise on the left also, like when it reaches moral relativism. And my criticism of organized religion wasn't directed specifically to Christians, the same criticism can be levied against the vast majority of organized religion.

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1066480700046655488:lmao soooooo scary

[Chris]

:lmao soooooo scary

Trump gonna close that bitch.

[boutons_deux]

Dickless Trash such a tough guy from 1000s of miles away against unarmed, desperate asylum seekers, but so gutless, spineless chickshit to visit "his" troops in war zones.

[Pavlov]

Trump gonna close that bitch.lol moar panic

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

Damn...Nono bullying Chris in the paint like Dream did Robinson1995 WC Finals. Olajuwon killed Robinson.

David Robinson's turnover line was 7,5,6,7 in the four losses, Akeem was amazing.

75 rebounds, 30 assists, 25 blocks and eight steals in six games.

The fucking Houston Rockets were the class of the NBA those two years and spanked us hard.


You're paying a lot of money, it's a great job!


e8KycyU47rs

[MultiTroll]

Trump gonna close that bitch.
Do you think Chumplov and boo boo will be able to have some caravan immigrants stay with them?
Certainly they are offering, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/OHVypuIV7hS0LUlAVcD7SWk1q4s=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IRRC6BHHKQI6RO63OL637HKP5U.jpg

[Pavlov]

lol Fabbs is also scared.

[MultiTroll]

Chumplov
Are you going to caravan immigrants staying with you?

Yes or no?

[Pavlov]

Chumplov
Are you going to caravan immigrants staying with you?

Yes or no?No. What does that change, flabbs?

You're definitely still afraid of them.

[boutons_deux]

Trash LIES, there is no deal with Meshico

Incoming Mexico Gov’t: No Deal With Trump To Host US Asylum-Seekers

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s incoming government denied a report Saturday that it plans to allow asylum-seekers to wait in the country while their claims move through U.S. immigration courts, one of several options the Trump administration has been pursuing in negotiations for months.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/incoming-mexico-govt-no-deal-with-trump-to-host-us-asylum-seekers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump claims he shut down the border between US and Mexico —

then immediately contradicts himself

"I've already shut down parts of the border because it was out of control with the rioting on the other side in Mexico," Trump claimed.

Donald Trump can't seem to agree with himself on whether or not he has closed the border between the United States and Mexico.

the President claimed he shut down the border, before walking the statement back, and then declared it was closed "for short periods."

“Actually, two days ago we closed the border,”

Trump told reporters while at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

“We actually just closed it. We said, ‘Nobody’s coming in,’ because it was out of control.

”The President claimed that Tijuana welcomed the members of the caravan "with open arms" but now "wants them out" due to rampant crime.

he was asked, moment later, to clarify his statement on closing the border,

Trump seemingly contradicted himself,

saying that he would close the border,

"if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control."

Within minutes, his narrative again

shifted, saying, "I've already shut it down, I've already shut it down - for short periods."

"I've already shut down parts of the border because it was out of control with the rioting on the other side in Mexico," Trump said.

"And I just said, 'Shut it down.' You see it. I mean it took place two days ago."

asked if he signed an executive order to close the border,

he seemed to confuse present and future tense, saying,

"Yeah, they call me up, and I sign an order" in reference to the order he may or may not have signed to close the border.

when pressed for the release of that order, Trump said,

"You don't need it. Don't worry. It's not that big a deal. Maybe to some people it is."

https://www.alternet.org/donald-trump-claims-he-shut-down-border-between-us-and-mexico-then-immediately-contradicts-himself

So Exec Orders are "no big deal" secret now?

Trash is so so so FUCKED, totally out touch with reality and with his own lying mouth, from minute to minute.

[Chris]

Do you think Chumplov and boo boo will be able to have some caravan immigrants stay with them?
Certainly they are offering, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/OHVypuIV7hS0LUlAVcD7SWk1q4s=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IRRC6BHHKQI6RO63OL637HKP5U.jpg

Trolls don't have any empathy so that's a resounding no.

[Chris]

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[Mark Celibate]

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Ridiculous, why isn't a large group of people invading a country not considered an act of war? These people should be shot on sight IMO

[Chris]

Ridiculous, why isn't a large group of people invading a country not considered an act of war? These people should be shot on sight IMO

I agree tbh shoot them in the dick

[Will Hunting]

Ridiculous, why isn't a large group of people invading a country not considered an act of war? These people should be shot on sight IMO
If they want to apply for asylum and go through the process that’s one thing, but of all the stuff I disagree with Trump on idk why people are outraged by him wanting to deploy the military to stop thousands of people from illegally entering our country. It seems like a common sense solution.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

Trolls don't have any empathy


I agree tbh shoot them in the dick

[Pavlov]

If they want to apply for asylum and go through the process that’s one thing, but of all the stuff I disagree with Trump on idk why people are outraged by him wanting to deploy the military to stop thousands of people from illegally entering our country. It seems like a common sense solution.It's a waste of money and a political stunt, that's why.

They aren't there to stop anyone.

[ducks]

US closes major San Diego port of entry as migrants rush borde


We have a president today! MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/25/us/san-ysidro-port-of-entry-closed/index.html

[ducks]

It's a waste of money and a political stunt, that's why.

They aren't there to stop anyone.gov has lost of waste of money
every cent going to another country is a waste of money

[ducks]

land mines worked in germany

[ducks]

if land lines were used it can not be racist because it would kill anyone
not require a human to choice who to arrest

[ducks]

illegals cost people jobs money

I know people who buy pistols for protection because of the illegals

[Nathan89]

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https://twitter.com/emmamurphyitv/status/1066772298068357121?s=20

Invasion was the apt word tbh

[Nathan89]

Poor Americans will get their wages undercut. Dems will get future voters that want a massive welfare state. The US will decline. This is good for the world.

[Nathan89]

Remember that short-term narrative that people weren't talking about this after the election?

[Nathan89]

Remember when Mexico offered these people asylum but they kept going to the racist US?

[Winehole23]

what are they saying now, Nathan89?

[Winehole23]

Remember when Mexico offered these people asylum but they kept going to the racist US?that's not what I heard, I heard as many as two thousand accepted the Mexican offer or tried to.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1066807598387773445?s=20

Must be all them college educated individuals.:lmao

[Winehole23]

That's kind of the point, Nathan..

The so called caravan isn't typical. An English speaking, Asian post-graduate who overstayed his or her visa is.

[Chris]

Poor Americans will get their wages undercut. Dems will get future voters that want a massive welfare state. The US will decline. This is good for the world.

I shared my support for the migrants on facebook and it went viral so I'm OK with this.

[Nathan89]

Illegals crossing the border isn't uncommon. Now it's just more. The result is the same.

[Pavlov]

gov has lost of waste of money
every cent going to another country is a waste of moneyWhy compound that with more waste on troops at the border, ducks?

[Pavlov]

Illegals crossing the border isn't uncommon. Now it's just more. The result is the same.It's been less for a long time, Nathan.

You've been lied to and you love it.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/WendyFry_/status/1066791682899959808?s=20

Birthright citizenship:lmao
Eliminate ICE:lmao
Sanctuary cities:lmao
Open borders:lmao
Nobody is illegal:lmao

[baseline bum]

Poor Americans will get their wages undercut.

Cute that you think Trump and the Republicans give a shit. I would be 100% on their side on illegal immigration if they'd make it a federal crime punishable by jail time to hire illegals but they won't because their donors love the wage suppression illegals exert on American workers.

[Nathan89]

Dems throwing Americans under the bus for a bunch of rock throwers.

[Pavlov]

:lol Nathan living in abject fear.

[Chris]

Cute that you think Trump and the Republicans give a shit. I would be 100% on their side on illegal immigration if they'd make it a federal crime punishable by jail time to hire illegals but they won't because their donors love the wage suppression illegals exert on American workers.

Only Congress can do that.

[baseline bum]

Only Congress can do that.

No shit. Trump and the Republicans had two years to do it.

[Winehole23]

Dems throwing Americans under the bus for a bunch of rock throwers.Trump President, not Hilary. Nancy Pelosi can't solve this either.

Who all is Trump throwing under the bus?

[Chris]

No shit. Trump and the Republicans had two years to do it.

Hard to do much of anything when you are fighting Media and the 9th circuit for the majority of your tenure. Trump is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. This is set in stone.

[MultiTroll]

A Department of Homeland Security official said Monday there are an estimated 500 criminals traveling in the caravan.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-border-closer-20181125-story.html

[Winehole23]

why wouldn't a Republican majority give Trump the money he asked for to build a wall?

infrastructure, another lost opportunity.

[Chris]

A Department of Homeland Security official said Monday there are an estimated 500 criminals traveling in the caravan.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-border-closer-20181125-story.html




Mexico deported them :tu

[Winehole23]

A Department of Homeland Security official said Monday there are an estimated 500 criminals traveling in the caravan.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-border-closer-20181125-story.html



a threadbare assertion, so far.

do we know which Mexican jail opened its gates when the caravan passed by?

[Pavlov]

Hard to do much of anything when you are fighting Media and the 9th circuit for the majority of your tenure. Trump is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. This is set in stone.That's the stupidest excuse ever.

Republicans had control of the entire federal government for two years and did zero about immigration policy.

Period.

[baseline bum]

Hard to do much of anything when you are fighting Media and the 9th circuit for the majority of your tenure. Trump is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. This is set in stone.

What a load of whining crap. The GOP controlled the executive, each house of congress, and the supreme court. Making hiring illegals a federal crime would be way less controversial than his family separation policy. But it's not what he and the GOP wants. They want it both ways: demonize illegals for crossing the border but still hire them once they're in the country.

[Chris]

That's the stupidest excuse ever.

Republicans had control of the entire federal government for two years and did zero about immigration policy.

Period.

Nah...Trump tried, but there's this guy named Adam Schiff. Maybe you have heard of him.

[Reck]

Nah...Trump tried, but there's this guy named Adam Schiff. Maybe you have heard of him.

He was the minority leader with literally no power in congress to check Trump. :lol Chris the tard

[Pavlov]

Nah...Trump tried, but there's this guy named Adam Schiff. Maybe you have heard of him.What did he do to stop Republicans from introducing and passing immigration reform, Chris?

Be specific.