***** Official 2018 Election Night Thread *****

[baseline bum]

GEOFFREY SKELLEY1:48 AM
A little more data has come in from Montana, and now Republican Matt Rosendale has taken the lead over Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, 49 percent to 48 percent. It’s still difficult to say how this will shake out. Many of the blue counties in the state have a lot of outstanding vote, including Missoula. But there are some small GOP-leaning counties that have not reported anything yet. Note that Tester has never won an outright majority in his two Senate win (49.2 percent in 2006 and 48.6 percent in 2012), so if he does eke out a win, this would be par for the course.

[Millennial_Messiah]

GEOFFREY SKELLEY1:48 AM
A little more data has come in from Montana, and now Republican Matt Rosendale has taken the lead over Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, 49 percent to 48 percent. It’s still difficult to say how this will shake out. Many of the blue counties in the state have a lot of outstanding vote, including Missoula. But there are some small GOP-leaning counties that have not reported anything yet. Note that Tester has never won an outright majority in his two Senate win (49.2 percent in 2006 and 48.6 percent in 2012), so if he does eke out a win, this would be par for the course.
There are 2 extremely hippie liberal -- left of Seattle and Portland -- counties in West Montana that will almost surely be >80% Tester.

[Millennial_Messiah]

But yes, a Sinema or Rosen win would be a large upset and would really go a long way to spoil the Republicans' excuse to celebrate tonight.


Don't think either will happen, but the likelihood of one or the other happening isn't too low.

[baseline bum]

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[RGMCSE]

This came about our discussion on tax cuts vs stimulus. It's really an apple and oranges comparison, because clearly stimulus worked to get us out of a pretty huge recession, and it's debatable whether tax cuts would've had just as profound an effect (don't forget Barry extended Bush's tax cuts when he came in, but the recession was still there). That doesn't mean tax cuts isn't a good tool with different economic conditions.

But, besides that, what I mentioned is that the top 1% and large corps had record profits both with stimulus or tax cuts. Thus the followup with the richer getting richer and the poor staying poor. I don't see a paradigm shift here where the economic growth lifts the poor more than the rich, or there's less of an income gap. I'm talking macro here, not individual (everybody got a story).

What you mention is some asshole, in this case a Dem (and this is no defense, but there's assholes of every color, shape and form), saying something stupid. I don't particularly think it's indicative of the left in general, much like I don't generalize right wingers with all being KKK members (much to boutons chagrin).


Thanks for clearing that up man. Sometimes I read shit and I’m like wtf? People can’t be serious. I’ll say in my opinion tax cuts do work and probably have a more immediate effect. But I’m not saying it solves all problems. It confuses me when people get uptight about the 1% making money. That’s what they do one way another. But I do believe tax cuts benefit all not just the rich.

[AaronY]

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[ElNono]

Medicaid can go AND we can tighten a few extra things in the military, not in actual defense/weapons/personnel, but in VA benefits, discharged salaries and some extra fluff... they could stand to tighten up the budget there.

Look, you can't keep punishing poor people. Medicaid is the by-product of a terribly flawed healthcare system. A largely for profit system that doesn't care about people that can't afford it or people that are too sick. It's a sweet scam, tbh, insure healthy people and when they're old enough and need the most care, dump it to the government. Medicaid and Snap both have pretty strict income requirements. If you think somebody is gaming the system, then it's an oversight problem, not a program problem.

The real solution should come with an integral reformulation of the healthcare system, and in that sense, Obamacare helped in the sense that it touched what was otherwise an untouchable system (despite being extremely broken too). My biggest beefs are that the GOP still apparently doesn't have a plan that makes sense 10 years later, and the Dems need to clarify how they would modify the ACA to make it more affordable (basically, fess up and go all Bernie, and admit single payor is what they want).

[AaronY]

Im gonna be like djohn..post a bunch of wishcasting in here now to make myself feel better..wheres that Kyle griffin

[Millennial_Messiah]

But that guy on Fox must understand, Kavanaugh doesn't matter in Montana... the Democrat voters are all white hippie liberals, and that's a state that is divided big time along gender lines... the younger females are very liberal there, #MeToo is a big thing, especially in the western half of the state, and the population is very atheist/agnostic. The younger males are much more likely to be libertarian than really conservative, which means swing voters.


Tester voting against Kavanaugh is a plus for him in his particular state.

[AaronY]

Look, you can't keep punishing poor people. Medicaid is the by-product of a terribly flawed healthcare system. A largely for profit system that doesn't care about people that can't afford it or people that are too sick. It's a sweet scam, tbh, insure healthy people and when they're old enough and need the most care, dump it to the government. Medicaid and Snap both have pretty strict income requirements. If you think somebody is gaming the system, then it's an oversight problem, not a program problem.

The real solution should come with an integral reformulation of the healthcare system, and in that sense, Obamacare helped in the sense that it touched what was otherwise an untouchable system (despite being extremely broken too). My biggest beefs are that the GOP still apparently doesn't have a plan that makes sense 10 years later, and the Dems need to clarify how they would modify the ACA to make it more affordable (basically, fess up and go all Bernie, and admit single payor is what they want).
Three red states voted to expand medicaid today (Nebraska, utah, Idaho) it aint going anywhere

[Millennial_Messiah]

This came about our discussion on tax cuts vs stimulus. It's really an apple and oranges comparison, because clearly stimulus worked to get us out of a pretty huge recession, and it's debatable whether tax cuts would've had just as profound an effect (don't forget Barry extended Bush's tax cuts when he came in, but the recession was still there). That doesn't mean tax cuts isn't a good tool with different economic conditions.

But, besides that, what I mentioned is that the top 1% and large corps had record profits both with stimulus or tax cuts. Thus the followup with the richer getting richer and the poor staying poor. I don't see a paradigm shift here where the economic growth lifts the poor more than the rich, or there's less of an income gap. I'm talking macro here, not individual (everybody got a story).

What you mention is some asshole, in this case a Dem (and this is no defense, but there's assholes of every color, shape and form), saying something stupid. I don't particularly think it's indicative of the left in general, much like I don't generalize right wingers with all being KKK members (much to boutons chagrin).

So, what do you recommend if no stimulus nor tax cuts? Contractionary policy? That would cause deflation which would be good on the surface, but how many people would lose their jobs?

[baseline bum]

Evers leading Walker by 31,000 votes with 99% reporting

[AaronY]

Evers leading Walker by 31000 votes with 99% reporting
Yasss

[Nbadan]

Walker is going down! :donkey

[ElNono]

Thanks for clearing that up man. Sometimes I read shit and I’m like wtf? People can’t be serious. I’ll say in my opinion tax cuts do work and probably have a more immediate effect. But I’m not saying it solves all problems. It confuses me when people get uptight about the 1% making money. That’s what they do one way another. But I do believe tax cuts benefit all not just the rich.

My only beef is that there's a lot of dogma going around that's not supported by actual economic history and theory, things like "tax cuts pay by themselves". Sometimes they do, sometimes they create a huge hole. Same applies to stimulus. This is clearly no longer our grandpa's economy anymore, financial instruments are generally more profitable and give more certainty than labor. Manufacturing gave way to services. The stock market is all about the next quarter instead of long term.

Also, while I don't have a problem with anybody making money, it would be ridiculous to deny that the larger the income gap, the larger the social tensions. And it has nothing to do with envy, etc, but perceived lack of opportunity.

[baseline bum]

About 1 million votes to be counted in Arizona, but 300k of them are absentee and won't be counted until Wednesday or Thursday night

[Millennial_Messiah]

Evers leading Walker by 31,000 votes with 99% reporting

If true, there will be no recount. This will slightly increase the Democrats' chance of winning this swing state in 2020.


Not 100% sure Trump can win re-election if he loses all 3 of WI-MI-PA.

[AaronY]

About 1 million votes to be counted in Arizona, but 300k of them are absentee and won't be counted until Wednesday or Thursday night
Oh for fucks sake

[ElNono]

So, what do you recommend if no stimulus nor tax cuts? Contractionary policy? That would cause deflation which would be good on the surface, but how many people would lose their jobs?

I didn't recommend no stimulus or tax-cuts. What I pointed out is that one being better than the other it's very debatable, especially in light of the economic circumstances. For example, the US largely was using monetarism for many years to handle inflation, but when the shit hit the fan in '08, once the rate hit zero, that tool was off the table. For example, I have no problem running deficits during deflation. Keynes gets a bad rap a lot of times, but we normally only do half of what he said: run deficits during deflation, and once the economy is growing again, liquefy the built up deficit. Instead, we continue to run deficits during deflation and when the economy is growing again, we do tax cuts, decrease receipts and continue running deficits. Might be ok short term, but the inflation pressure mounts.

[baseline bum]

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Betting market has Rosen at 96.5% to take Nevada. Rosen is actually beating Heller in Washoe County which was supposedly critical to Heller's win in 2012, and none of Clark County (eg Las Vegas) has been counted. They also have Sinema at only 41.6% though, and Tester at 63%.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I didn't recommend no stimulus or tax-cuts. What I pointed out is that one being better than the other it's very debatable, especially in light of the economic circumstances. For example, the US largely was using monetarism for many years to handle inflation, but when the shit hit the fan in '08, once the rate hit zero, that tool was off the table. For example, I have no problem running deficits during deflation. Keynes gets a bad rap a lot of times, but we normally only do half of what he said: run deficits during deflation, and once the economy is growing again, liquefy the built up deficit. Instead, we continue to run deficits during deflation and when the economy is growing again, we do tax cuts, decrease receipts and continue running deficits. Might be ok short term, but the inflation pressure mounts.
Yes. And it's undeniable that ZIRP is a major factor for increases in inflation. Interest rate floors are not fair to anyone and just give buyers a false sense of hope and lead to artificial, unsustainable booms.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Betting market has Rosen at 96.5% to take Nevada. Rosen is actually beating Heller in Washoe County which was supposedly critical to Heller's win in 2012, and none of Clark County (eg Las Vegas) has been counted. They also have Sinema at only 41.6% though, and Tester at 63%.

Nevada should be a liberal state. I was a little surprised Heller was considered likely to win.


Don't think Sinema wins. AZ is always one that breaks to the right near the end every time.


Tester will win because the counties that haven't been counted are pretty far to the left.


That's that... G'Night

[AaronY]

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Betting market has Rosen at 96.5% to take Nevada. Rosen is actually beating Heller in Washoe County which was supposedly critical to Heller's win in 2012, and none of Clark County (eg Las Vegas) has been counted. They also have Sinema at only 41.6% though, and Tester at 63%.
Lmao the Rock is .5% for 2020

[RGMCSE]

My only beef is that there's a lot of dogma going around that's not supported by actual economic history and theory, things like "tax cuts pay by themselves". Sometimes they do, sometimes they create a huge hole. Same applies to stimulus. This is clearly no longer our grandpa's economy anymore, financial instruments are generally more profitable and give more certainty than labor. Manufacturing gave way to services. The stock market is all about the next quarter instead of long term.

Also, while I don't have a problem with anybody making money, it would be ridiculous to deny that the larger the income gap, the larger the social tensions. And it has nothing to do with envy, etc, but perceived lack of opportunity.


I don’t have a problem with the programs that are there for the less fortunate. I have a problem with people ignoring them and then bitch and whine about the man holding them down. I think that’s bullshit. Life ain’t fair and I don’t think it’s meant to be but if your physically and mentally capable then it’s within that persons ability to strive for something better. I feel like immigrants don’t come to the US thinking ooh ooh I can’t wait for that welfare check. They want to work and make a better life. I find that the people that bitch the loudest about what others have don’t look at them selves first.

[Nbadan]

https://electionbettingodds.com/

Betting market has Rosen at 96.5% to take Nevada. Rosen is actually beating Heller in Washoe County which was supposedly critical to Heller's win in 2012, and none of Clark County (eg Las Vegas) has been counted. They also have Sinema at only 41.6% though, and Tester at 63%.

I think so to after Vegas comes in...

[spurraider21]

looks like they called wisconsin... walker is out

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don’t have a problem with the programs that are there for the less fortunate. I have a problem with people ignoring them and then bitch and whine about the man holding them down. I think that’s bullshit. Life ain’t fair and I don’t think it’s meant to be but if your physically and mentally capable then it’s within that persons ability to strive for something better. I feel like immigrants don’t come to the US thinking ooh ooh I can’t wait for that welfare check. They want to work and make a better life. I find that the people that bitch the loudest about what others have don’t look at them selves first.
The children of the immigrants are the ones who are bitchy and want entitlements and such. The first generation ones tend to appreciate more what they have and are hard workers on average.

[Millennial_Messiah]

looks like they called wisconsin... walker is out

And WI-10 now has the slight edge to flip blue in 2020... depending on who the Dem candidate is.

[Winehole23]

Three red states voted to expand medicaid today (Nebraska, utah, Idaho) it aint going anywhereVery popular among Republicans, believe it or not.

People love that good shit. It ain't free, but it's a lot cheaper than private health care.

[ElNono]

I don’t have a problem with the programs that are there for the less fortunate. I have a problem with people ignoring them and then bitch and whine about the man holding them down. I think that’s bullshit. Life ain’t fair and I don’t think it’s meant to be but if your physically and mentally capable then it’s within that persons ability to strive for something better. I feel like immigrants don’t come to the US thinking ooh ooh I can’t wait for that welfare check. They want to work and make a better life. I find that the people that bitch the loudest about what others have don’t look at them selves first.

I don't disagree with that, and I'm fortunate to have a good work ethic, work hard and make good money regardless of who's in power, but I can't just ignore that 3 out of 4 Americans, who also work really hard live paycheck to paycheck. I've been there many moons ago, it's incredibly stressful, and something people clearly try to stay away from, but apparently cannot. I could buy that people make bad decisions if they were 25% of them, etc, but when we're talking such a massive amount of working people, there's something there that's just not working right, IMO. I don't hate the players, but it's hard not to hate the game.

[RGMCSE]

The children of the immigrants are the ones who are bitchy and want entitlements and such. The first generation ones tend to appreciate more what they have and are hard workers on average.

Yeah maybe your right because I’ve never met a senior citizen that didn’t work they’re whole lives and now need help. That’s understandable. But being under 40 and bitching about what you don’t got and not doing a damn thing about it and using that as a political outcry is cowardice.

[RGMCSE]

I don't disagree with that, and I'm fortunate to have a good work ethic, work hard and make good money regardless of who's in power, but I can't just ignore that 3 out of 4 Americans, who also work really hard live paycheck to paycheck. I've been there many moons ago, it's incredibly stressful, and something people clearly try to stay away from, but apparently cannot. I could buy that people make bad decisions if they were 25% of them, etc, but when we're talking such a massive amount of working people, there's something there that's just not working right, IMO. I don't hate the players, but it's hard not to hate the game.


I cant argue with anything you said. Capitalism is great but I think a negative effect are that people can’t control impulsive spending. Americans are definitely over marketed to and I’m not sure that’s something we need the US government to regulate. But there probably does need to be more consumer reporting out in the open to educate people. Maybe something like gambling awareness. People blow money on stupid shit and you’ll see for the next 6/8 weeks a plethora of bullshit being marketed to poor people in the name of “Happy Holidays”.

[Nbadan]

Maricopa is even but there are still a lot of votes out in Tucson that leans heavy Sinema...

[Winehole23]

TX 23 down to the wire

[Nbadan]

I think there is a good chance Dems sweep Montana, Nevada and Arizona...

[Nbadan]

looks like Gina beat Hurd by 300 votes..

[Nbadan]

Rosen wins Nevada

[AaronY]

I think there is a good chance Dems sweep Montana, Nevada and Arizona...
Could lose 2 out 3 too

[RGMCSE]

Hurd is up 700 votes.

[Nbadan]

Hurd is up 700 votes.

recount!

[Nbadan]

Bexar county

https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/bf0b15b8-efcf-4820-b574-9aee6efa83f0.png

[FrostKing]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/r6BmYKH-OtM/hqdefault.jpg

[FrostKing]

American election: Democrats had some gains and took the House but "blue wave" failed and Trump re-election Train rambles on

[FrostKing]

Tonight,

American came together, as villains and friends.

Oprah & Taylor made a hit song.

Why isn't ESPN covering the event with multiple camera angles and "social investigation"

[LkrFan]

You farmers reelected Ted Cruz? :lol

[boutons_deux]

LA voted down their Jim Crow law of non-unanimous verdicts in murder trials, and FL voted 60% (bipartisan) to enfranchise ex-cons, also a Jim Crow law.

Kemp's blatant voter suppression of blacks obviously critical since GA gov race still uncalled, otherwise Kemp would have lost.

[hater]

You farmers reelected Ted Cruz? :lol

:lmao poor toothles texan bastards should go back to be ruled by mexico tbqh

Pathetic slugs

[boutons_deux]

looks like Gina beat Hurd by 300 votes..

AP withdraws Hurd call in Texas US House race
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/texas/article/ted-cruz-beto-o-rourke-texas-senate-race-polls-13366455.php

[boutons_deux]

"For these 15 House candidates, President Donald Trump’s robust endorsement did not boost them enough to beat out their Democratic opponents.


Katie Arrington in South Carolina;

Dave Brat in Virginia;

Lena Epstein in Michigan;

Claudia Tenney, John Faso and Dan Donovan in New York;

Kevin Yoder in Kansas;

Erik Paulsen in Minnesota;

Danny Tarkanian in Nevada;

Rod Blum in Iowa;

John Chrin and Keith Rothfus in Pennsylvania;

Pete Sessions in Texas;

Jay Webber in New Jersey and

Dave Hughes in Minnesota."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-blessing-curse?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

One of Pootin's long-time compromised boy toys is out: Rohrbacher

[LkrFan]

:lmao poor toothles texan bastards should go back to be ruled by mexico tbqh

Pathetic slugs
¡Tienes razón, amigo mío! :lol

[LkrFan]

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[hater]

¡Tienes razón, amigo mío! :lol

:lol mexico probably does not want that ball of toothless shitheads :lol

[boutons_deux]

State legislatures Democrats have flipped so far in the 2018 elections

New Hampshire: Democrats retake both legislative chambers

Colorado’s Senate flips from Republican to Democrat

Connecticut’s Senate sees Democrats take control after split

Minnesota’s House changes to Democrats

Maine’s Senate flips, and a Democratic governor wins to give the party full control

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18071410/democrat-state-legislature-colorado-minnesota

[djohn2oo8]

American election: Democrats had some gains and took the House but "blue wave" failed and Trump re-election Train rambles on
Some gains? They took the house, and now have subpoena power. They took a shit ton of governorships. Passed a law in Florida to allow felons to vote. It was not a good night for Donald. Oh and when Mueller takes down Trump and Pence, guess who is third in line of succession :lol

[boutons_deux]

Dem's investigations for two years of Trash, his mafiya, his cabinet could win the 2020 Presidential election for Dems, but I bet the Dems don't have the pit bulls to go after Trash.

[The Closer]

It was a good night for Dems. Not a great night but we got some punching power now.

[boutons_deux]

Here's citizens saying fuck you to inhumane, manslaughtering Repugs

Medicaid a winner in elections across the country, paving the way for coverage gains for poor Americans

Hundreds of thousands of poor Americans across the country look poised to gain health coverage,

as Democrats made gains in key state elections Tuesday and
voters in several Western states appeared to be backing measures to expand Medicaid.

At least four — and perhaps more — states now look on track to join the 33 that have already chosen to expand Medicaid eligibility through the Affordable Care Act, often called Obamacare.

Election results Tuesday night also underscored the powerful force that healthcare — the 2010 health law in particular — has been in this year’s political campaigns.

Democrats campaigning on the issue took control of the House of Representatives and

effectively foreclosed any new Republican effort to roll back the law in Congress.

The most immediate coverage gains look likely to occur in Nebraska, Idaho and Utah, where ballot measures to expand Medicaid were comfortably ahead.

But Medicaid expansion may also be on the way in Kansas, where Democrat Laura Kelly defeated a conservative Republican in the race for governor.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-midterm-medicaid-20181106-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-midterm-medicaid-20181106-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter)

America's fucked up healthcare polled as number one issue, but Repug establishment wanted to push the Obama economy, and Trash pushed racism.

Why didn't Repugs campaign on tax cuts? :lol

Repugs and oligarchy vote themselves insane amassing of wealth with tax cuts, with nothing for the non-wealthy.

Americans vote themselves health care.

[djohn2oo8]

Dem's investigations for two years of Trash, his mafiya, his cabinet could win the 2020 Presidential election for Dems, but I bet the Dems don't have the pit bulls to go after Trash.
Mueller is the pit bull. All the Dems need to do is not get in the way

[boutons_deux]

Mueller is the pit bull. All the Dems need to do is not get in the way

We'll see what Dems do with Mueller's report which he cannot publish, must give it to Congress.

The only thing that can save Trash is oligarchy's farce of a SCOTUS, 5-4.

[hitmanyr2k]

If Republicans had a normal President I doubt they would have lost the House. I can't remember the last time a President inherited such great economic momentum and still had his party lose like this but Trump is an idiot that couldn't keep his mouth shut and ride the economic wave he was given. At the very least if he ran a more disciplined, positive campaign without the "caravan is coming!!" bullshit the losses wouldn't have been as severe. I know there were plenty of Republicans out there wishing he would shut the fuck up :lol

[boutons_deux]

Mueller is the pit bull. All the Dems need to do is not get in the way

Trash fires Jebo, Kelly, Mattis

Trash hires Graham, who fires Rosenstein and Mueller (which Trash would impose on Graham as condition of employment, with Trash proclaiming "independence" for DoJ decisions, but in fact treating DoJ like his personal law firm)

Nikki Haley takes Graham Senate seat

[Trill Clinton]

You farmers reelected Ted Cruz? :lol

Cruz got a 1/3 of the Hispanic vote.. disgusting.

[LkrFan]

1060163012370333697
Trum? :lol

[LkrFan]

Cruz got a 1/3 of the Hispanic vote.. disgusting.

I'm so disappointed in mi familia :lol

[DarrinS]

Lol

https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-nevada-election/

[RandomGuy]

If Republicans had a normal President I doubt they would have lost the House. I can't remember the last time a President inherited such great economic momentum and still had his party lose like this but Trump is an idiot that couldn't keep his mouth shut and ride the economic wave he was given. At the very least if he ran a more disciplined, positive campaign without the "caravan is coming!!" bullshit the losses wouldn't have been as severe. I know there were plenty of Republicans out there wishing he would shut the fuck up :lol

Agreed.

[boutons_deux]

Agreed.

Polls said 60% of voters motivated by Trash, 40% against, 20% for

[CosmicCowboy]

If Republicans had a normal President I doubt they would have lost the House. I can't remember the last time a President inherited such great economic momentum and still had his party lose like this but Trump is an idiot that couldn't keep his mouth shut and ride the economic wave he was given. At the very least if he ran a more disciplined, positive campaign without the "caravan is coming!!" bullshit the losses wouldn't have been as severe. I know there were plenty of Republicans out there wishing he would shut the fuck up :lol

agree

[johnsmith]

Another election, another divided country. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that nothing much will change for the average citizen (and Boutons), but everyone will go online and argue about trivial stuff while a few people will make a lot of money.

Then in 2020, real change will come in the form of some inspiring leader, but then nothing will happen again.

Apathy kills empires.

[Reck]

Fivethirtyeight has dropped their projection to 39.3% for the Democrats to take the house

About what i expected in the senate. Way too many fucking seats to defend. Actually, I thought they'd do better but a few races left to be called but what a disaster.

But hey, at least they got the house and the map will flip in favor of dems in 2020. Cant say I'm bothered with the results.

The Kavanaugh thing was a sealer for the republicans. Proof is in the pudding, all but Joe Manchin got their shit pushed in. It is clear this country doesn't have morals anymore so if I was a dem running, just do whatever you need to win instead of trying to play nice.

[Millennial_Messiah]

About what i expected in the senate. Way too many fucking seats to defend. Actually, I thought they'd do better but a few races left to be called but what a disaster.

But hey, at least they got the house and the map will flip in favor of dems in 2020. Cant say I'm bothered with the results.

The Kavanaugh thing was a sealer for the republicans. Proof is in the pudding, all but Joe Manchin got their shit pushed in. It is clear this country doesn't have morals anymore so if I was a dem running, just do whatever you need to win instead of trying to play nice.

2022 looks like the year for the Dems to potentially take back the Senate, they'll be playing defense in a lot of rust belt and other states like that.


2020 is all pretty much democrats defending blue states and republicans defending red states, so I don't see it being very interesting at all. It's not like 2014 when the democrats were trying to defend Arkansas, Louisiana, South Dakota, NC, etc which was a lost cause.


If Tester loses there won't be any democrats left in red states for the most part. I guess the guy who defended West Virginia last night (Manchin) will be the last one, he saved himself there by voting for Kavanaugh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wisconsin voters are upset with the high state income tax and that now it can't be deducted because of the tax reform from last year, so they hope ousting Walker and electing Evers will lower that state income tax rate. Let's not forget that property taxes are also very high in Wisconsin. It's like the California of the Rust Belt with high universal taxes.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol McConnell

“Presidential harassment!”

[LkrFan]

Lol

https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-nevada-election/

You racist MFers are a joke :lol

[LkrFan]

Lol McConnell

“Presidential harassment!”
I saw that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!! :rollin:lmao:rollin

[Spurs Homer]

Lol McConnell

“Presidential harassment!”


He also said that immigration was not an issue they would waste time on. Called it an executive branch issue.

"but - the crisis at the border!"

[boutons_deux]

Putin Loses Control of the House

MOSCOW —Calling it “the biggest disappointment of my political career,”

Vladimir Putin conceded late Tuesday night that he had lost control of the United States House of Representatives.

Putin made his concession speech from the Kremlin, where he congratulated the Democrats for waging a “tough fight.”

“Maybe if Facebook and Twitter hadn’t banned so many of my fake accounts, the results would have been different,”

Putin said.

“But I don’t want to make excuses—I threw everything I had at these races, and I lost.”

Putin did, however, have harsh words for Donald Trump,

who opted for a fear-mongering closing argument about immigration

despite the Russian President’s objections.

“I warned him that that would kill us in the suburbs, and he ignored me,” Putin said.

“I hope this teaches him never to disobey my orders again.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-loses-control-of-the-house (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-loses-control-of-the-house)

[LkrFan]

I believe sometime in January (?) Ted will have subpoenae power:
1060191982432149504

[Reck]

HAHAHA that's so funny Boutons...find a cliff guy.

[boutons_deux]

Michael McDonald@ElectProject
(https://twitter.com/ElectProject)
Replying to @ElectProject (https://twitter.com/_/status/1060072271438589952)

The 2018 projected national turnout rate of

47.3% equals the 1970 turnout rate,

1966 was 48.7%



Michael McDonald@ElectProject
(https://twitter.com/ElectProject)
With 111.5 million projected turnout, 2018 is the first midterm election is U.S. history to exceed 100 million votes

1:37 AM - Nov 7, 2018 (https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1060073655256920064)

====================

1966 and 1970 were Vietnam War years, so Trash is as hated as the Vietnam war. :)

[boutons_deux]

Minnesota Republican, who pined for the days when women could be called 'sluts,' loses to woman (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/6/1810707/-Minnesota-Republican-who-pined-for-the-days-when-women-could-be-called-sluts-loses-to-woman)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/6/1810707/-Minnesota-Republican-who-pined-for-the-days-when-women-could-be-called-sluts-loses-to-woman?detail=emaildksc

[boutons_deux]

Sam Wang
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)✔@SamWangPhD
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)The NYT currently projects a national popular-vote margin of D+9.2%.

The largest popular margin since 2008, larger than waves of 1994, 2006, 2010, 2014.

1994: R+7.1%
2006: D+8.0%
2008: D+10.6%
2010: R+7.2%
2014: R+5.7%

By historical standards, this a popular wave.

===============

The NYT currently projects a national popular-vote margin of D+9.2%. The largest popular margin since 2008, larger than waves of 1994, 2006, 2010, 2014.

1994: R+7.1%
2006: D+8.0%
2008: D+10.6%
2010: R+7.2%
2014: R+5.7%

By historical standards, this a popular wave.

[baseline bum]

About what i expected in the senate. Way too many fucking seats to defend. Actually, I thought they'd do better but a few races left to be called but what a disaster.

But hey, at least they got the house and the map will flip in favor of dems in 2020. Cant say I'm bothered with the results.

The Kavanaugh thing was a sealer for the republicans. Proof is in the pudding, all but Joe Manchin got their shit pushed in. It is clear this country doesn't have morals anymore so if I was a dem running, just do whatever you need to win instead of trying to play nice.

The GOP will have 54 senate seats assuming the most likely remaining scenario that Tester wins Montana, Scott wins the recount in Florida, and McSally takes Arizona. Let's look at 2020: the Democrats will almost certainly lose Doug Jones' seat in 2020. So that puts them at -8. They'll probably be able to pick up Gardner's seat in Colorado, so they're -6. The only other two flips that really look possible are Ernst in Iowa and Tillis in North Carolina. So let's go best case and assume they get both. Now they're -2. So these losses last night were absolutely devastating, especially Florida and Indiana which were polling well for Democrats.

Even if the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations. And the Democrats winning the 2020 presidency looks really shaky right now. Last night's election should scare the shit out of Democrat voters. Even in an election with high enthusiasm Trump was able to turn his base out in enough numbers to again outperform the polls pretty strongly. Nelson, Donnelly, Sinema, McCaskill were all favorites yesterday morning and they're all losers this morning. Trump is going to be really hard to beat in 2020, especially if the Democrats nominate someone like Booker, Harris, Newsom, Klobuchar, or Warren that won't excite the base. I think it's Beto or Bernie or bust in 2020 because Beto and Bernie are the only people who can get young people excited and to the polls like Obama did.

[AaronY]

Sam Wang
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)
✔@SamWangPhD
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)The NYT currently projects a national popular-vote margin of D+9.2%.

The largest popular margin since 2008, larger than waves of 1994, 2006, 2010, 2014.

1994: R+7.1%
2006: D+8.0%
2008: D+10.6%
2010: R+7.2%
2014: R+5.7%

By historical standards, this a popular wave.
Sam Wang
✔@SamWangPhD
(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD)

(https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1060005925233270784)


The NYT currently projects a national popular-vote margin of D+9.2%. The largest popular margin since 2008, larger than waves of 1994, 2006, 2010, 2014.

1994: R+7.1%
2006: D+8.0%
2008: D+10.6%
2010: R+7.2%
2014: R+5.7%

By historical standards, this a popular wave.

Sam Wang lmao. Havent seen him since he was touting his princeton math professor degrees and bragging about his model that showed Clinton had a 99.6% chance of winning lol

[djohn2oo8]

The GOP will have 54 senate seats assuming the most likely remaining scenario that Tester wins Montana, Scott wins the recount in Florida, and McSally takes Arizona. Let's look at 2020: the Democrats will almost certainly lose Doug Jones' seat in 2020. So that puts them at -8. They'll probably be able to pick up Gardner's seat in Colorado, so they're -6. The only other two flips that really look possible are Ernst in Iowa and Tillis in North Carolina. So let's go best case and assume they get both. Now they're -2. So these losses last night were absolutely devastating, especially Florida and Indiana which were polling well for Democrats.

Even if the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations. And the Democrats winning the 2020 presidency looks really shaky right now. Last night's election should scare the shit out of Democrat voters. Even in an election with high enthusiasm Trump was able to turn his base out in enough numbers to again outperform the polls pretty strongly. Nelson, Donnelly, Sinema, McCaskill were all favorites yesterday morning and they're all losers this morning. Trump is going to be really hard to beat in 2020, especially if the Democrats nominate someone like Booker, Harris, Newsom, Klobuchar, or Warren that won't excite the base. I think it's Beto or Bernie or bust in 2020 because Beto and Bernie are the only people who can get young people excited and to the polls like Obama did.
Senate was never up for grabs. Trump had a decent economy and still lost the House and quite a few governorships. Almost everyone he endorsed lost :lol

the Kavanaugh issue cost the Dems in the senate. That was really close to the midterms too

[boutons_deux]

"the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations."

... will also block ANY progressive bills, problem-solving bills, America-advancing bills that escape House

Pootin, immigrants, ISIS aren't as dangerous, aren't actually DESTRUCTIVE to USA as the oligarchy, Repugs, and the farcical 5-4 SCOTUS and Federal judiciary.

America is truly it's own worst enemy, even suicidal.

[djohn2oo8]

1060217345380139008

:lmao whatttt

[baseline bum]

Senate was never up for grabs. Trump had a decent economy and still lost the House and quite a few governorships. Almost everyone he endorsed lost :lol

the Kavanaugh issue cost the Dems in the senate. That was really close to the midterms too

No shit the senate wasn't up for grabs. But winning one of Florida, Arizona, Indiana, and Missouri would have given them a shot at 2020 senate control and winning two would have probably made them favorites for 2020, and the Democrats were favored in all four states. 54-46 is a much tougher hill to climb than 52-48 would have been, and hell it still may go 55-45 if the late reporting vote doesn't push Tester over the top. Last night was a bitter loss to see the 2020 senate map go from looking good to looking like a huge longshot.

[Reck]

The GOP will have 54 senate seats assuming the most likely remaining scenario that Tester wins Montana, Scott wins the recount in Florida, and McSally takes Arizona. Let's look at 2020: the Democrats will almost certainly lose Doug Jones' seat in 2020. So that puts them at -8. They'll probably be able to pick up Gardner's seat in Colorado, so they're -6. The only other two flips that really look possible are Ernst in Iowa and Tillis in North Carolina. So let's go best case and assume they get both. Now they're -2. So these losses last night were absolutely devastating, especially Florida and Indiana which were polling well for Democrats.

Even if the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations. And the Democrats winning the 2020 presidency looks really shaky right now. Last night's election should scare the shit out of Democrat voters. Even in an election with high enthusiasm Trump was able to turn his base out in enough numbers to again outperform the polls pretty strongly. Nelson, Donnelly, Sinema, McCaskill were all favorites yesterday morning and they're all losers this morning. Trump is going to be really hard to beat in 2020, especially if the Democrats nominate someone like Booker, Harris, Newsom, Klobuchar, or Warren that won't excite the base. I think it's Beto or Bernie or bust in 2020 because Beto and Bernie are the only people who can get young people excited and to the polls like Obama did.

Hard to disagree with any of this. Trump came just at the right time and reaping all the benefits of the rage in this country. I also thought Obama campaining didn't help. The dude has turned out to be a get out of the vote for republicans, not democrats. Just as toxic as Hillary at this point.

But I would point out a little error on your post regarding the Alabama seat. Doug Jones is there until 2022.

[Reck]

1060217345380139008

:lmao whatttt

Trump is funny as hell. A total scum but he has them jokes.

[AaronY]

That Obama take is horseshit. Rs will demonize any well known democrat at this point tbh. The solution isnt just to have unknown people everywhere

[Reck]

That Obama take is horseshit. Rs will demonize any well known democrat at this point tbh. The solution isnt just to have unknown people everywhere

They hate Obama just as much as they hate Hillary. It's not horseshit, it's right.

[spurraider21]

Hard to disagree with any of this. Trump came just at the right time and reaping all the benefits of the rage in this country. I also thought Obama campaining didn't help. The dude has turned out to be a get out of the vote for republicans, not democrats. Just as toxic as Hillary at this point.

But I would point out a little error on your post regarding the Alabama seat. Doug Jones is there until 2022.
Nah it’s 2020. Sessions was re-elected in 2014. It’s his seat.

[Spurminator]

Obama only campaigned where he wasn't toxic. There's a reason he didn't stump in Texas for Beto. Sure, Fox News is going to make his campaigning in Georgia a national issue but they would have found something else to fill time with if he hadn't. I don't think he motivated the white GA (or national) vote more substantially than he motivated the liberal vote in the areas where he campaigned. It's only too bad he didn't start earlier so he could have gotten more voters registered.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol Trump flipping out on live tv

[Reck]

Nah it’s 2020. Sessions was re-elected in 2014. It’s his seat.

Oh ok. I thought Sessions was up in 2016.

[RandomGuy]

Lol Trump flipping out on live tv

Unhinged. Stupid. Lying.

[RandomGuy]

Oh ok. I thought Sessions was up in 2016.

Sessions got his dick handed to him. Rohrbacher also got his genitals.

[RandomGuy]

Democratic 'blue wave' makes landfall in Texas House, flipping 12 red seats across the state


In an upset, Democratic challenger Michelle Beckley defeated incumbent Republican Ron Simmons, the author of the House version of the bathroom bill during last year's legislative session. The district, covering Carrollton and Lewisville, is traditionally a conservative stronghold.

The "bathroom bill" was fucking stupid, and he paid the price for that.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/11/06/democratic-blue-wave-makes-landfall-dallas-county-texas-house-races

[baseline bum]

Rohrbacher also got his genitals.

Glad to see Harley prevail. I'm really disappointed to see Ojeda and McGrath lose though.

[Will Hunting]

The GOP will have 54 senate seats assuming the most likely remaining scenario that Tester wins Montana, Scott wins the recount in Florida, and McSally takes Arizona. Let's look at 2020: the Democrats will almost certainly lose Doug Jones' seat in 2020. So that puts them at -8. They'll probably be able to pick up Gardner's seat in Colorado, so they're -6. The only other two flips that really look possible are Ernst in Iowa and Tillis in North Carolina. So let's go best case and assume they get both. Now they're -2. So these losses last night were absolutely devastating, especially Florida and Indiana which were polling well for Democrats.

Even if the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations. And the Democrats winning the 2020 presidency looks really shaky right now. Last night's election should scare the shit out of Democrat voters. Even in an election with high enthusiasm Trump was able to turn his base out in enough numbers to again outperform the polls pretty strongly. Nelson, Donnelly, Sinema, McCaskill were all favorites yesterday morning and they're all losers this morning. Trump is going to be really hard to beat in 2020, especially if the Democrats nominate someone like Booker, Harris, Newsom, Klobuchar, or Warren that won't excite the base. I think it's Beto or Bernie or bust in 2020 because Beto and Bernie are the only people who can get young people excited and to the polls like Obama did.
Pretty much this. Democrats should be shitting their pants about the fact that Trump has been able to both turn out the rural vote and make it even more red than it already was. The strategy of hoping the Latino vote counter balances the rural vote simply isn’t working.

IMO they need to maintain a progressive platform on things healthcare, taxes, etc but also need to move their stance on immigration to the right. They shouldn’t support stuff like separating families at the border, but there needs to be a general acknowledgement that open borders hurt the white working class family.

There also just needs to be less talk from the left about how great a “diverse America” is. It doesn’t do anything to inspire the young, Latino or black vote, all it does is give the right ammunition to rile its base up.

[florige]

The GOP will have 54 senate seats assuming the most likely remaining scenario that Tester wins Montana, Scott wins the recount in Florida, and McSally takes Arizona. Let's look at 2020: the Democrats will almost certainly lose Doug Jones' seat in 2020. So that puts them at -8. They'll probably be able to pick up Gardner's seat in Colorado, so they're -6. The only other two flips that really look possible are Ernst in Iowa and Tillis in North Carolina. So let's go best case and assume they get both. Now they're -2. So these losses last night were absolutely devastating, especially Florida and Indiana which were polling well for Democrats.

Even if the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 the GOP will control the senate and thus will block any supreme court nominations. And the Democrats winning the 2020 presidency looks really shaky right now. Last night's election should scare the shit out of Democrat voters. Even in an election with high enthusiasm Trump was able to turn his base out in enough numbers to again outperform the polls pretty strongly. Nelson, Donnelly, Sinema, McCaskill were all favorites yesterday morning and they're all losers this morning. Trump is going to be really hard to beat in 2020, especially if the Democrats nominate someone like Booker, Harris, Newsom, Klobuchar, or Warren that won't excite the base. I think it's Beto or Bernie or bust in 2020 because Beto and Bernie are the only people who can get young people excited and to the polls like Obama did.


If the Dem's are smart they will run Bernie. I think he will be a sure fire to beat Trump. Anyone else out of the people you mentioned I think unfortunately Trump will handle handily. I don't know enough about Beto yet.

[Warlord23]

Both sides played to their strengths - which illustrates the polarization in American politics. The Dems ran up the vote count in urban and suburban areas while the Reps turned out the exurban and rural vote - Trump still holds sway over the white working class.

Vote-share wise, the Dems had a good night. +9% swing in House vote share, and they also picked up 57% of Senate votes. However, the gerrymandering in the House protected the Reps somewhat. As for the Senate, the Reps will be always be at an advantage: California has as many people as the 22 smallest states, but they get the same allocation of 2 Senators as the smaller ones, many of which lean Republican.

Dems had a strong showing in Governor races, flipping 7 states from R to D. Also they can take heart that their policies are polling better than their party. Red states like Idaho, Nebraska and Utah supported Medicaid expansion despite the GOP being opposed to it. FL chose to restore ex-felons' voting rights that will give the vote back to 1M+ people.

The last couple of elections have shown the new normal for US politics:
- Dems will always have higher vote shares than seat shares
- Reps will always have an advantage in the Senate
- Reps will control more state governments, but Dems will control the richest ones
- While people remain bitterly divided on party affiliation, they are generally trending in the same direction when it comes to issues like marijuana legalization, individual rights, a more inclusive healthcare system etc.

[Spurminator]

I like Beto better as a VP candidate for now.

[florige]

Pretty much this. Democrats should be shitting their pants about the fact that Trump has been able to both turn out the rural vote and make it even more red than it already was. The strategy of hoping the Latino vote counter balances the rural vote simply isn’t working.

IMO they need to maintain a progressive platform on things healthcare, taxes, etc but also need to move their stance on immigration to the right. They shouldn’t support stuff like separating families at the border, but there needs to be a general acknowledgement that open borders hurt the white working class family.

There also just needs to be less talk from the left about how great a “diverse America” is. It doesn’t do anything to inspire the young, Latino or black vote, all it does is give the right ammunition to rile its base up.


Overall I don't think the Dem's did necessarily bad. I just think they overestimated how well they would actually do. Here in MD for example we have a incumbent Republican Governor who pretty much never endorsed Trump (for obvious reasons) and during his first term tip- toed the in the middle. We'll see how he really governs now. The other thing about that race here is that his real main challenger suddenly died in May. The Dem's scrambled to get their base rallied behind a guy that no one really never heard off who also had no money. Had the other guy not died MD probably would had flipped back to Blue as well.

[baseline bum]

I like Beto better as a VP candidate for now.

Beto actually turned out the youth vote and got within 2.6 points of a senator Texas conservatives love. I don't see how he can't be considered the strongest possible candidate for the Democrats for 2020 at this point in time.

[AaronY]

Beto actually turned out the youth vote and got within 2.6 points of a senator Texas conservatives love. I don't see how he can't be considered the strongest possible candidate for the Democrats for 2020 at this point in time.
Cruz being awful had so much to do this. even ducks shits on Cruz

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Cruz being awful had so much to do this. even ducks shits on Cruz

Yet, like most Repugs, probably still voted for him

[baseline bum]

Cruz being awful had so much to do this. even ducks shits on Cruz

Cruz isn't awful to Texas conservatives. Dude beat Trump by 17 points in the primary here. He is loved by Texas conservatives and is considered by many of them to be the one true conservative in Washington. If Beto was running against Cornyn instead that seat would have gone blue.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t like the odds of a guy who’s never been a governor or senator as the Democratic nominee.

The presidential election really shouldn’t be that hard for the Democrats. States like Colorado and Virginia are now solid blue and Wisconsin/Michigan/PA flipping had just as much to do with Hillary being shitty as it did Trump. The bigger problem is the fact they have no path to ever holding the senate (and thereby the Supreme Court) ever again, their voters only show up for midterms when the other party is in office, and they’re always at risk if gerrymandering because Republicans control the local government in so many key states.

[baseline bum]

I don’t like the odds of a guy who’s never been a governor or senator as the Democratic nominee.

The presidential election really shouldn’t be that hard for the Democrats. States like Colorado and Virginia are now solid blue and Wisconsin/Michigan/PA flipping had just as much to do with Hillary being shitty as it did Trump. The bigger problem is the fact they have no path to ever holding the senate (and thereby the Supreme Court) ever again, their voters only show up for midterms when the other party is in office, and they’re always at risk if gerrymandering because Republicans control the local government in so many key states.

Who do you like the odds of then as the Democratic nominee?

[spurraider21]

tester held on

[AaronY]

Progessives had a pretty bad showing yesterday honestly I don't know why you guys are jerking off to them. I mean I'm biased because I hate their over the top policies (like $10 minimum wage would be a several thousand dollar a year raise for these completely unskilled workers but thats even enough lol) and free college, UBI i mean dont even get me started on that one come the fuck on unemployment is 3 fucking %

but the 9 most progressive dems went 0 for 9

1060168165496360960


And Gillum actually ran behind Nelson in Florida

New ideas and new blood are good but if the new ideas are shitty im sorry but no

[Will Hunting]

Who do you like the odds of then as the Democratic nominee?
No idea, you might be right that Beto is the best choice because of how shitty the other candidates are. I agree with the general idea that Trump will be beat someone like Booker.

[Reck]

Cruz isn't awful to Texas conservatives. Dude beat Trump by 17 points in the primary here. He is loved by Texas conservatives and is considered by many of them to be the one true conservative in Washington. If Beto was running against Cornyn instead that seat would have gone blue.

They love Trump way more now though. On a fantasy head to head match up Trump would probably win against Cruz in a Texas primary by probably 30 points.

I highly dislike Bernie but he seems to be the only viable candidate that can take it to Trump. Another one to me would be Biden.

I think he'll run. Last night proved that Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin are solidly back to blue support now that cunty Hillary is not on the ballot.

Bernie worries me in terms of getting the black vote out. He really lost the primary to Hillary on the southern states alone.

[Will Hunting]

Progessives had a pretty bad showing yesterday honestly I don't know why you guys are jerking off to them. I mean I'm biased because I hate their over the top policies (like $10 minimum wage would be a several thousand dollar a year raise for these completely unskilled workers but thats even enough lol) and free college, UBI i mean dont even get me started on that one come the fuck on unemployment is 3 fucking %

but the 9 most progressive dems went 0 for 9

1060168165496360960


And Gillum actually ran behind Nelson in Florida

New ideas and new blood are good but if the new ideas are shitty im sorry but no
You’re cherry picking races that were either toss ups or where they were the underdog.

Its not about how good or bad the ideas are as much as it’s about the fact that the only way the Dems can win elections now is by a strong turnout from young, black and Hispanic voters. The Corey Bookers of the world don’t bring those voters out while the progressives do.

[AaronY]

You’re cherry picking races that were either toss ups or where they were the underdog.

Its not about how good or bad the ideas are as much as it’s about the fact that the only way the Dems can win elections now is by a strong turnout from young, black and Hispanic voters. The Corey Bookers of the world don’t bring those voters out while the progressives do.
I didnt cherry pick anything. Those guys identified the 9 most progressive people before the election and thats how they did. Maybe progressivism is best bet for winning elections but i hope not. The far left progressives also energize the white trash people tho to vote against them tbh. I would literally vote against Bernie if like a normal republican ran against him like Romney or at least vote for a divided government

[Will Hunting]

I didnt cherry pick anything. Those guys identified the 9 most progressive people before the election and thats how they did. Maybe progressivism is best bet for winning elections but i hope not. The far left progressives also energize the white trash people tho to vote against them tbh. I would literally vote against Bernie if like a normal republican ran against him like Romney or at least vote for a divided government
Bernie Sanders was up for re-election and won last night. If they were really picking the 9 most progressive candidates then why wasn’t he included?

[spurraider21]

Bernie Sanders was up for re-election and won last night. If they were really picking the 9 most progressive candidates then why wasn’t he included?
technically not a Dem candidate?

prob somethin like that

[AaronY]

Bernie Sanders was up for re-election and won last night. If they were really picking the 9 most progressive candidates then why wasn’t he included?
Bernie is in the Peoples Republic of Vermont. I mean cmon.

[Will Hunting]

I also don’t agree that the far left energizes the white trash folks. Hillary was anything but far left and the white trash came out in droves to support her. Just look at the white trash crowd on this site, some of them even went from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump :lol

[Will Hunting]

Bernie is in the Peoples Republic of Vermont. I mean cmon.
So you agree they cherry picked which races would be featured on their list and left out the more favorable ones. Glad we could clear that up.

[AaronY]

I also don’t agree that the far left energizes the white trash folks. Hillary was anything but far left and the white trash came out in droves to support her. Just look at the white trash crowd on this site, some of them even went from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump :lol
lmao nathan hehehe. Turnout was astronomical here in FL and Gillum still lost. maybe it was because he was a darkie but I think a lot of the rurals came out to go against him. Oh wait republicans freed the slaves, robertbyrdkkk.jpeg, they are the non racist party etc. my bad.

[AaronY]

I want Michelle Obama to run and have some moderate policies but she'd have to promise a lot of far left stuff to get through the primaries probably. Still seeing Trump lose to an Obama would be phenomenal.

[AaronY]

Sad like $10 minimum wage, expanding medicaid or going into a universal healthcare is considered moderate but I guess it is. Just going to $9 or $10 minimum wage paying off social security and even lowering the full minimum social security age to like 62 or 63 would be phenomenal for me

[Will Hunting]

lmao nathan hehehe. Turnout was astronomical here in FL and Gillum still lost. maybe it was because he was a darkie but I think a lot of the rurals came out to go against him. Oh wait republicans freed the slaves, robertbyrdkkk.jpeg, they are the non racist party etc. my bad.
Gillum was polling better than Nelson the whole time, was running against the crazier candidate and ran a better campaign, but he was still further away from winning than Nelson was. I think it was definitely the case of people not wanting to be racist when polled but when casting their ballot they couldn’t vote for darkie.

:cry party of Lincoln :cry

[Will Hunting]

Sad like $10 minimum wage, expanding medicaid or going into a universal healthcare is considered moderate but I guess it is. Just going to $9 or $10 minimum wage paying off social security and even lowering the full minimum social security age to like 62 or 63 would be phenomenal for me
In today’s economy I don’t think a $10 minimum wage would matter. Walmart now starts people at $10 iirc and I drive by signs outside of fast food restaurants every day saying “Now Hiring at $12 an hour!”. If you can’t get a job that pays $10 an hour right now you really suck :lol

[boutons_deux]

Gillum was polling better than Nelson the whole time, was running against the crazier candidate and ran a better campaign, but he was still further away from winning than Nelson was. I think it was definitely the case of people not wanting to be racist when polled but when casting their ballot they couldn’t vote for darkie.

:cry party of Lincoln :cry

Racists don't like to be called racist, will deny it, because it's politically incorrect. :)

[AaronY]

In today’s economy I don’t think a $10 minimum wage would matter. Walmart now starts people at $10 iirc and I drive by signs outside of fast food restaurants every day saying “Now Hiring at $12 an hour!”. If you can’t get a job that pays $10 an hour right now you really suck :lol
Yeah, well thats the thing its easier for big businesses to pay it so the really high wages only hurt smaller businesses and smaller areas. But thats another thing too I dont think this country is in such horrible we need such drastic changes. Youre still kind of a loser if you cant make it here in the US tbh so blowing it up and going super far left is not very appealing to me

[Spurminator]

Cruz being awful had so much to do this. even ducks shits on Cruz

Well, whoever runs in 2020 will be running against Donald Trump, who's arguably awfuller.

(I can't believe awfuller is a word, btw, but no red underline)

[AaronY]

Well, whoever runs in 2020 will be running against Donald Trump, who's arguably awfuller.

(I can't believe awfuller is a word, btw, but no red underline)
Who you want? Both to win like who would do good and separately whose policies you like?

[Spurminator]

I want Michelle Obama to run and have some moderate policies but she'd have to promise a lot of far left stuff to get through the primaries probably. Still seeing Trump lose to an Obama would be phenomenal.

O'Bama/O'Rourke

[AaronY]

$15 minimum wage could be worse I guess I mean could be $25 minimum wage lmao

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271253

[AaronY]

Underrated post lmao


Could you imagine $52,000 a year for a job where your biggest stress would be making sure to pull the fries out the oil when the buzzer sounds?

[Spurminator]

Who you want? Both to win like who would do good and separately whose policies you like?

Age notwithstanding, I do still like Biden but I think his ship has probably sailed. He'd have to run with a minority or female VP too. Got to appease the liberal diversity militants.

[Spurminator]

$15 federal minimum wage is so fucking stupid. No wonder democrats can't penetrate the rural vote. The owner of the Pizza Hut in Comanche, TX, probably nets less than $52K per year in total profit.

[boutons_deux]

One such sign came in Nevada,

where The Hill reports (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/415002-dead-brothel-owner-wins-nevada-legislative-seat?fbclid=IwAR2hS7qQcyNOC1ab9L-urPfJmDsEOfAjQz7YvhCrACFjLCNTK_WsZ-TscJ0) that Republican Dennis Hof was able to win a seat in the legislature.

The problem?

Hof died roughly a month ago.

What’s more, Hof was hardly a paragon of so-called conservative “family values,” as

he owned seven brothels and

died after a weekend of heavy partying.

He was 72.

That’s right, GOP voters elected a dead pimp to state government.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/11/07/republicans-just-elected-a-dead-pimp-who-died-of-partying/?fbclid=IwAR2O_BRbdJ9iWyILsw_1NFcaFI5a12FpKyuG3KlM p-YsSBYxxTL96ZNBJGQ

[AaronY]

One such sign came in Nevada,

where The Hill reports (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/415002-dead-brothel-owner-wins-nevada-legislative-seat?fbclid=IwAR2hS7qQcyNOC1ab9L-urPfJmDsEOfAjQz7YvhCrACFjLCNTK_WsZ-TscJ0) that Republican Dennis Hof was able to win a seat in the legislature.

The problem?

Hof died roughly a month ago.

What’s more, Hof was hardly a paragon of so-called conservative “family values,” as

he owned seven brothels and

died after a weekend of heavy partying.

He was 72.

That’s right, GOP voters elected a dead pimp to state government.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/11/07/republicans-just-elected-a-dead-pimp-who-died-of-partying/?fbclid=IwAR2O_BRbdJ9iWyILsw_1NFcaFI5a12FpKyuG3KlM p-YsSBYxxTL96ZNBJGQ



Are they gonna seat his corpse and have it vote like that Weekend at Bernie's movie? because that would be cool. I would watch that

[AaronY]

Seriously tho its one seat in a red states legislature boo. dont get so worked up about everything. stop being boutons for a minute

[FrostKing]

Some gains? They took the house, and now have subpoena power. They took a shit ton of governorships. Passed a law in Florida to allow felons to vote. It was not a good night for Donald. Oh and when Mueller takes down Trump and Pence, guess who is third in line of succession :lol
Hell ya for Felons! Now if only you guys can push forward the illegal and non citizen vote

[Th'Pusher]

$15 federal minimum wage is so fucking stupid. No wonder democrats can't penetrate the rural vote. The owner of the Pizza Hut in Comanche, TX, probably nets less than $52K per year in total profit.

This is an oddly specific example. You don’t happen to have a family member that owns a Pizza Hut in Comanche, TX do you?

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/45549838_1989497714432429_4686509300821000192_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=a7206b0139e1263fb36676ad2407ae9b&oe=5C6D3417

[Spurminator]

This is an oddly specific example. You don’t happen to have a family member that owns a Pizza Hut in Comanche, TX do you?

I'm the cashier there and I'm trying reverse mojo.

[ducks]

Democrat Colin Allred, who unseated Rep. Pete Sessions, won't say if he'll back Pelosi

[Isitjustme?]

Democrat Colin Allred, who unseated Rep. Pete Sessions, won't say if he'll back Pelosi

Who do you want to replace pelosi?

List your top democrats, ducks

[Will Hunting]

Hell ya for Felons! Now if only you guys can push forward the illegal and non citizen vote
If a felon did his/her time then their debt has been paid to society and they should be allowed to vote.

[baseline bum]

Who you want? Both to win like who would do good and separately whose policies you like?

I'd like a Beto/Klobuchar ticket to win. If it was whose policies I'd want it would be Warren/whoever.

[dbestpro]

Trump doing Jedi mind tricks by endorsing Pelosi for speaker and threatening to support her with GOP votes. That leaves those who want to oppose Trump at every turn unsure whether Trump is supporting Pelosi, or just trolling to try and get the democrats to dump Pelosi. Trump lives continuously in their thoughts.

[baseline bum]

Trump doing Jedi mind tricks by endorsing Pelosi for speaker and threatening to support her with GOP votes. That leaves those who want to oppose Trump at every turn unsure whether Trump is supporting Pelosi, or just trolling to try and get the democrats to dump Pelosi. Trump lives continuously in their thoughts.

Hope it works. Pelosi was a great speaker last time. Too bad Reid was such a piece of shit and couldn't get the votes for Pelosi's original ACA bill with the public option.

[ducks]

Lol Nancy is not aging well

[ducks]

Lol at praising Nancy and bashing the white male bb

You bias ?

[baseline bum]

If a felon did his/her time then their debt has been paid to society and they should be allowed to vote.

Did you see John Oliver's segment on felon voting rights in Florida where people would have to go to Tallahassee and plead their case directly to Scott to get their voting rights restored? One of Scott's cronies would keep asking people where they went to church before determining whether they got to vote or not.

[baseline bum]

Lol at praising Nancy and bashing the white male bb

You bias ?

ok snowflake

[Pavlov]

Hope it works. Pelosi was a great speaker last time. Too bad Reid was such a piece of shit and couldn't get the votes for Pelosi's original ACA bill with the public option.Yeah, if it's going to be gridlock, might as well get the woman who triggers Trumpistas the most.

She's talking like she'll pass the baton at some point, so there's that.

[FrostKing]

If a felon did his/her time then their debt has been paid to society and they should be allowed to vote.

The issue is whatever to me. Wouldn't preach for or against. Just found it funny OP felt accomplished like his family members are felons or himself actually. I imagine if I had a felony on my record there would be far more pressing issues in my life than elections

[RandomGuy]

Hell ya for Felons! Now if only you guys can push forward the illegal and non citizen vote

Nah. We will have just enough power in 2020 to have control of state legislatures to gerrymander the fuck out of you asshats, and that will end you as a national party. Maybe then you will care about the issue.

[baseline bum]

The issue is whatever to me. Wouldn't preach for or against. Just found it funny OP felt accomplished like his family members are felons or himself actually. I imagine if I had a felony on my record there would be far more pressing issues in my life than elections

Lots of felons in a state whose population is 50% Florida Man.

[TSA]

If a felon did his/her time then their debt has been paid to society and they should be allowed to vote.

And have their right to own a firearm reinstated as well right?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Maricopa County looks to finally be 100% in and all the rest are 98% in or better. Didn't move the needle at all for Sinemy. Looks like McSally has won, with pretty significant thanks to green party/socialist candidate Angela Green.

[Millennial_Messiah]

And have their right to own a firearm reinstated as well right?

Not if it's a violent crime, but definitely for a white collar type fraud felony

[Millennial_Messiah]

Zona senate race all but wrapped up:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona-senate

[spurraider21]

And have their right to own a firearm reinstated as well right?
brings back memories of when u were just a single issue (gun nut) political poster

[rmt]

Sad like $10 minimum wage, expanding medicaid or going into a universal healthcare is considered moderate but I guess it is. Just going to $9 or $10 minimum wage paying off social security and even lowering the full minimum social security age to like 62 or 63 would be phenomenal for me

Why do you want to lower SS age when we are living longer? I want to raise it to 70.

[rmt]

Some gains? They took the house, and now have subpoena power. They took a shit ton of governorships. Passed a law in Florida to allow felons to vote. It was not a good night for Donald. Oh and when Mueller takes down Trump and Pence, guess who is third in line of succession :lol

I fail to see how Mueller would take down Pence - him of the not being alone with any woman except his wife.

[Th'Pusher]

Why do you want to lower SS age when we are living longer? I want to raise it to 70.

Should we all be working till 70 since employer sponsored health insurance is predominate?

[Will Hunting]

And have their right to own a firearm reinstated as well right?
I don’t care, I’m not hyper focused on guns like you are.

[Isitjustme?]

Why do you want to lower SS age when we are living longer? I want to raise it to 70.

why stop at 70? Why not 75? how about 80? maybe make it so you have to be dead

[Will Hunting]

why stop at 70? Why not 75? how about 80? maybe make it so you have to be dead
:lol

[AaronY]

Why do you want to lower SS age when we are living longer? I want to raise it to 70.
I want to make the end of people's lives easier and also its a proven, popular program so would be a well liked move. Also, a way to stand up to Rs who have been trying to minimize/gut/do away with it since FDR's days by pushing in the other direction and expanding it

[CosmicCowboy]

why stop at 70? Why not 75? how about 80? maybe make it so you have to be dead

That was the plan when they set it at 65. Average life expectancy at the time was 61.

[LkrFan]

That was the plan when they set it at 65. Average life expectancy at the time was 61.
This breaks my heart :cry
1060543971737387008
He might need some extra strength Depends from now until January :lmao

[Th'Pusher]

brings back memories of when u were just a single issue (gun nut) political poster

The good old days. Before HRC turned him into a delusional conspiracy theorist. I’ve never seen a failed presidential candidate have such a profound effect on someone’s emotions the way she did TSA.

[Winehole23]

Florida Gov and Senate races still being counted, both are currently within the threshold for automatic recounts.

McSally/Sinema Arizona Senate race still too close to call.

[Will Hunting]

Florida Gov and Senate races still being counted, both are currently within the threshold for automatic recounts.

McSally/Sinema Arizona Senate race still too close to call.
I thought Gilliam already conceded the gov race?

[Winehole23]

Georgia gov still too close to call

[Winehole23]

I thought Gilliam already conceded the gov race?Doesn't matter. The recount is triggered legally.

Gore unconceded in 2000, it's hardly unheard of. AFAIK a concession isn't legally binding.

[SnakeBoy]

I thought Gilliam already conceded the gov race?

He did but <.5% is an automatic recount

[Winehole23]

looks like GA-06 went to the gun control Democrat, Lucy McBath. The last time a Democrat represented the district was 1979.

[Winehole23]

possible ranked choice scenario to decide Senate race in Maine;




The Maine 2nd District will probably not be decided until next week (https://www.maine.gov/sos/news/2018/rcvcongressdis2.html). Several towns have yet to report their votes, but both Republican Rep. Bruce Poliquin and Democratic state Rep. Jared Golden appear to be stuck below a majority. If that holds, it means that Maine’s new system of ranked-choice voting (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maine-is-trying-out-a-new-way-to-run-elections-but-will-it-survive-the-night/) will decide the winner. A computer program will redistribute the votes of the last-place finisher, independent William Hoar, among the other three candidates based on who those voters listed second on their ranked-choice ballots. If a candidate still doesn’t have the majority, the third-place finisher, independent Tiffany Bond, will then be eliminated, and her voters redistributed. At that point, either Poliquin or Golden will have a majority of the remaining votes, and whoever does will win the congressional seat. Golden is probably favored in this scenario; both Bond and Hoar indicated in a debate that they would prefer Golden over Poliquin (we’ll see if their voters agree). But it might not end there: If Poliquin ends up finishing first in the initial returns but loses the ranked-choice tabulations to Golden, he has left the door open (https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/22/poliquin-indicates-he-might-challenge-election-results-if-he-doesnt-win/) to a court challenge.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-16-races-still-too-close-to-call/

[Millennial_Messiah]

I want to make the end of people's lives easier and also its a proven, popular program so would be a well liked move. Also, a way to stand up to Rs who have been trying to minimize/gut/do away with it since FDR's days by pushing in the other direction and expanding it

Balancing the budget should be a bipartisan thing IMO. Raising SS age, trimming some fluffy veterans' benefits from the military, and some medicaid de-funding should all be practical steps. Maybe raise Medicare age to 70 as well considering people live longer?

[spurraider21]

possible ranked choice scenario to decide Senate race in Maine;

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-16-races-still-too-close-to-call/
not sure how i feel about that system, but its kinda fascinating

[spurraider21]

as of now they've turned, what, 30 house seats? and thats still not including CA-4, CA-25, UT-4, and NY-22 which are all likely flips at this point

[AaronY]

Balancing the budget should be a bipartisan thing IMO. Raising SS age, trimming some fluffy veterans' benefits from the military, and some medicaid de-funding should all be practical steps. Maybe raise Medicare age to 70 as well considering people live longer?
Lmao just raise fucking taxes and remove the SS earning cap on taxes. you guys crack me the up.

Don't know what your stance is on climate change and dont care about what it is but when it comes to that Rs are so blase "oh i could move the thermostat one or two degrees and not notice a difference!" But when it comes to social security which could just be fixed fiddling with the payroll tax a few percents you guys act like its some kind of unavoidable super meteor of death the size of Jupiter headed for us

[Will Hunting]

:lol “trim fluffy veteran benefits”

You can’t retrade veterans who risked their life and were told they’d get certain services afterwards. What about the hundreds of billions we spend every year on military that’s not VA related? Why don’t republicans ever want to cut that spending :lol

[Winehole23]

Missouri and Arkansas voted to raise the minimum wage.

https://www.epi.org/blog/voters-in-missouri-and-arkansas-just-lifted-pay-for-1-million-workers/

[spurraider21]

Missouri and Arkansas voted to raise the minimum wage.

https://www.epi.org/blog/voters-in-missouri-and-arkansas-just-lifted-pay-for-1-million-workers/
min wages should be determined on a regional/municipal level imo... statewide might be fine in some places (would be awful in CA). national is even more absurd and out of touch

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lmao just raise fucking taxes and remove the SS earning cap on taxes. you guys crack me the up.

Don't know what your stance is on climate change and dont care about what it is but when it comes to that Rs are so blase "oh i could move the thermostat one or two degrees and not notice a difference!" But when it comes to social security which could just be fixed fiddling with the payroll tax a few percents you guys act like its some kind of unavoidable super meteor of death the size of Jupiter headed for us

They should not raise any taxes on anyone filing under $250,000. But I do agree that there are too many deductions to make it easier to cheat the IRS when you're filthy rich and should be paying your fair share.

[Millennial_Messiah]

min wages should be determined on a regional/municipal level imo... statewide might be fine in some places (would be awful in CA). national is even more absurd and out of touch

agreed... it's ridiculous to say the minimum wage should be federally $15 because millennials in SF and Seattle can't afford their rent... if Seattle wants to make it $15 or whatever that's fine... but making it federal law would turn places like kansas and idaho into abandoned wastelands and also encourage illegal labor.

[Will Hunting]

Missouri and Arkansas voted to raise the minimum wage.

https://www.epi.org/blog/voters-in-missouri-and-arkansas-just-lifted-pay-for-1-million-workers/
It is remarkable how much Republicans vote in favor of Democratic values on ballot initiatives.

Dont forget three red states all voting to expand Medicaid.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Missouri and Arkansas voted to raise the minimum wage.

https://www.epi.org/blog/voters-in-missouri-and-arkansas-just-lifted-pay-for-1-million-workers/
Wasn't it like $6.50 or something, at least in Arkansas? Good riddance. That's ridiculous.

[boutons_deux]

min wages should be determined on a regional/municipal level imo... statewide might be fine in some places (would be awful in CA). national is even more absurd and out of touch

Corporations have used COL tables for decades, for adjusting the compensations of their employees posted away from home.

There's no reason Feds couldn't do the same, other than the totally bad-faith oligarchy preempting, denying, reversing any benefits, solutions, progress For The People.

Trash's so-called economic advisor (plays one on TV) says Fed minimum wage should be abolished. Other Repugs have said child labor laws should be abolished.

[spurraider21]

Corporations have used COL tables for decades, for adjusting the compensations of their employees posted away from home.

There's no reason Feds couldn't do the same, other than the totally bad-faith oligarchy preempting, denying, reversing any benefits, solutions, progress For The People.

Trash's so-called economic advisor (plays one on TV) says Fed minimum wage should be abolished. Other Repugs have said child labor laws should be abolished.
you say that, but people want to establish a nationwide $15/hr minimum wage. that has nothing to do with COL tables

[Millennial_Messiah]

It is remarkable how much Republicans vote in favor of Democratic values on ballot initiatives.

Dont forget three red states all voting to expand Medicaid.
Don't think republicans would turn down a box of free food a day for a month/year/whatever just because they're "conservative".


My theory is... there are probably about 5-7% more left leaning people than right leaning people in this country, counting everyone 18 and older, but they don't all vote that way because of various reasons... if every single individual in the country 18+ voted with their ideology, the map would look like Lyndon Johnson's in 1964:

https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png

[Winehole23]

not sure how i feel about that system, but its kinda fascinatingI'm ambivalent about it too.

The main features seem to be that it guarantees the winner will receive a majority and that the runoff is instant.

[Winehole23]

It is remarkable how much Republicans vote in favor of Democratic values on ballot initiatives.

Dont forget three red states all voting to expand Medicaid.Conservatives like liberal policies. They just don't like liberals.

[FrostKing]

Don't think republicans would turn down a box of free food a day for a month/year/whatever just because they're "conservative".


My theory is... there are probably about 5-7% more left leaning people than right leaning people in this country, counting everyone 18 and older, but they don't all vote that way because of various reasons... if every single individual in the country 18+ voted with their ideology, the map would look like Lyndon Johnson's in 1964:

https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png
One reason is because Democrats support a much more wide ranging spectrum and this leads to hypocrisy

A) We prefer no religion but we defend Muslims because they are a minority group

B) Jews must always be protected. But what about when they shoot Palestinians?

C) More social programs for our people! Oh and here's a Caravan, they also count

They also prioritize issues that decline in importance as you age (pick up responsibilities) such as environment, social justice, and gay rights. These are big issues for me in grade school not as an adult

[Winehole23]

not sure how i feel about that system, but its kinda fascinatingtangentially, Fargo, SD voted for approval voting

https://ballotpedia.org/Fargo,_North_Dakota,_Measure_1,_Approval_Voting_In itiative_(November_2018)

[Millennial_Messiah]

One reason is because Democrats support a much more wide ranging spectrum and this leads to hypocrisy

A) We prefer no religion but we defend Muslims because they are a minority group

B) Jews must always be protected. But what about when they shoot Palestinians?

C) More social programs for our people! Oh and here's a Caravan, they also count

They also prioritize issues that decline in importance as you age (pick up responsibilities) such as environment, social justice, and gay rights. These are big issues for me in grade school not as an adult

which is why millennials are very slowly trending to the right but it's a gradual process... but it will be more steady once they get married and have kids and such... the ones who never have families will most likely be life long liberals.

[FrostKing]

which is why millennials are very slowly trending to the right but it's a gradual process... but it will be more steady once they get married and have kids and such... the ones who never have families will most likely be life long liberals.
Yes, this is the natural progression. You get a career job, fall in love and start thinking of a family:: red pill time

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yes, this is the natural progression. You get a career job, fall in love and start thinking of a family:: red pill time

The exhibit A, I guess, is with the baby boomers born in the first 7 years or so after WWII ended. When they became old enough to leave the nest and go to college, live on their own, go to nudist music festivals, dodge 'Nam, etc... the socialist and progressivist agendas were very, very strong with that generation when they were young... now the majority of them lean GOP.

[FrostKing]

The exhibit A, I guess, is with the baby boomers born in the first 7 years or so after WWII ended. When they became old enough to leave the nest and go to college, live on their own, go to nudist music festivals, dodge 'Nam, etc... the socialist and progressivist agendas were very, very strong with that generation when they were young... now the majority of them lean GOP.
Yup. When we are young we seek to leave the nest but eventually (most) want to create their own nest. Social circle shrinks and priorities are adjusted

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yup. When we are young we seek to leave the nest but eventually (most) want to create their own nest. Social circle shrinks and priorities are adjusted
Amazing to think all those hot naked hippy babes in Cali and Woodstock from the late 60s-early 70s are now bitter old Trump-thumping grandmas, well some of them at least :lol

[FrostKing]

Amazing to think all those hot naked hippy babes in Cali and Woodstock from the late 60s-early 70s are now bitter old Trump-thumping grandmas, well some of them at least :lol
Some. The rest are currently taking care of their mixed raced grandkids while daughter Becky "always picks the wrong men"

[Millennial_Messiah]

Some. The rest are currently taking care of their mixed raced grandkids while daughter Becky "always picks the wrong men"

Becky: "But my life is so hard! The rich don't pay their fair share, I'm almost 40 and between jobs, have to take Lauren to choir practice, DeMarcus to basketball practice, and Maria Elena to tamale cooking school"

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/TomDangora/status/1060566255776739328
Some sliver of hope, perhaps.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t understand how a “recount” is required for certain ballots to get counted in the 1st place. In the year 2018, all the ballots should be counted the night that polls close.

[FrostKing]

I don’t understand how a “recount” is required for certain ballots to get counted in the 1st place. In the year 2018, all the ballots should be counted the night that polls close.
I am mail ballot voter. But decided to go in person. So I became a provisional voter. Won't be counted for a couple weeks

[FrostKing]

Becky: "But my life is so hard! The rich don't pay their fair share, I'm almost 40 and between jobs, have to take Lauren to choir practice, DeMarcus to basketball practice, and Maria Elena to tamale cooking school"

:corn:

I ain't got time money for nuthin. My 5 fatherless kids need shit

[boutons_deux]

I don’t understand how a “recount” is required for certain ballots to get counted in the 1st place. In the year 2018, all the ballots should be counted the night that polls close.

some states require recount or re-vote when initial counts are with x percent, and/or when nobody gets 51%

and then normal prudence would demand a recount in red/slave states where Repug counting fraud is always suspected.

[Will Hunting]

Maricopa County looks to finally be 100% in and all the rest are 98% in or better. Didn't move the needle at all for Sinemy. Looks like McSally has won, with pretty significant thanks to green party/socialist candidate Angela Green.
The AZ Republic is reporting that there are still 600k votes to be counted, which is fucking insane. Most of them come from Maricopa County which has extremely red and extremely blue areas so it’s anyones guess as to who they favor.

[Reck]

LOL whenever Bernie Sanders is on the news and trending you know he done fucked up.

I said a few days ago blacks are not excited for uncle Bernie and he would lose soundly in a primary because he's too dependent on the rural white voters (Sounds like someone we know?)

[Will Hunting]

LOL whenever Bernie Sanders is on the news and trending you know he done fucked up.

I said a few days ago blacks are not excited for uncle Bernie and he would lose soundly in a primary because he's too dependent on the rural white voters (Sounds like someone we know?)
The fact that blacks, people who love getting shit from the government for free, don’t like the candidate who’s entire fucking platform is about the government giving shit away for free is evidence of how ignorant they are on actual issues.

[rmt]

Amazing to think all those hot naked hippy babes in Cali and Woodstock from the late 60s-early 70s are now bitter old Trump-thumping grandmas, well some of them at least :lol

Shhh, you might scare some young liberals here who think that opinions don't change as priorities change - the major one being food/stuff for my kids will ALWAYS come before whatever bleeding heart liberal cause the young think are so important (at the time).

bolded - well, not YET for me.

[Pavlov]

Shhh, you might scare some young liberals here who think that opinions don't change as priorities change - the major one being food/stuff for my kids will ALWAYS come before whatever bleeding heart liberal cause the young think are so important (at the time).

bolded - well, not YET for me.Your government job and benefits are extremely important to you.

[baseline bum]

you say that, but people want to establish a nationwide $15/hr minimum wage. that has nothing to do with COL tables

Bou wants to establish a nationwide $25/hr minimum wage

[Will Hunting]

If Sinema wins her race and Nelson wins his (a lot less likely) I’d actually say it was a good night for the Democrats to gain over 35 house seats and to only lose 1 net senate seat when they were going in with an awful map. If they’re going into 2020 with 47 senate seats (not counting Alabama) then they can actually take the senate with decent voter turnout in North Carolina and Arizona.

[Reck]

If Sinema wins her race and Nelson wins his (a lot less likely) I’d actually say it was a good night for the Democrats to gain over 35 house seats and to only lose 1 net senate seat when they were going in with an awful map. If they’re going into 2020 with 47 senate seats (not counting Alabama) then they can actually take the senate with decent voter turnout in North Carolina and Arizona.

Would be fucking huge and highly uplifting.

Going from 49 to 45(+1 seat since tuesday) to maybe winning Arizona and retaining Florida would be great. Both Arizona and Florida have about the same margin of about 17k votes seperating the two.

Arizona seems like the best possible potential pickup though since there is a little more than half a million votes left to count. (:wow that number of uncounted votes tho)

[boutons_deux]

Bou wants to establish a nationwide $25/hr minimum wage

why not? America is too poor to pay living wage?

why subsidize businesses by paying TAXPAYER funds as public assistance to their businesses underpaid/poverty wage employees?

[baseline bum]

why not? America is too poor to pay living wage?

why subsidize businesses by paying TAXPAYER funds as public assistance to their businesses underpaid/poverty wage employees?

How about a $25/hr UBI?

[FrostKing]

why not? America is too poor to pay living wage?

why subsidize businesses by paying TAXPAYER funds as public assistance to their businesses underpaid/poverty wage employees?
If you made the minimum wage $25/hr then a studio apartment would balloon to $2000 a month.

Your buying power and the shit you can afford would remain relatively the same. Tourism would take a hit but I'd be travelling outside the US more

[Isitjustme?]

1060684161189466112

[Will Hunting]

1060684161189466112
The remaining Maricopa ballots are a wildcard, but the 80k in ballots from Pima County are all from heavily liberal areas. Sinema is definitely the favorite at this point.

[Reck]

The remaining Maricopa ballots are a wildcard, but the 80k in ballots from Pima County are all from heavily liberal areas. Sinema is definitely the favorite at this point.

From Sinema's campaign manager:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrhHFd2U8AA53zI.jpg
Dont like it when people make these kind of bold claims but I'm gonna say a prayer and hope she never loses lead again.

[spurraider21]

flipping flake's seat would somewhat salvage what was a rough senate race for the dems...

[Will Hunting]

From Sinema's campaign manager:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrhHFd2U8AA53zI.jpg
Dont like it when people make these kind of bold claims but I'm gonna say a prayer and hope she never loses lead again.
The word from people in AZ is that it might get called for Sinema once Pima county reports so it’s not really a bold claim. The Pima county votes that haven’t been tallied are from precincts in Tucson that consist of college students and Hispanics, I’d be really surprised if Sinema doesn’t hold on.

[Will Hunting]

flipping flake's seat would somewhat salvage what was a rough senate race for the dems...
If they flip Flakes seat and pull off a miracle in Florida with a Nelson comeback, then they had a good night in the Senate.

The polling might have shown them as close races, but Indiana and North Dakota were lost before the race ever started, and Missouri was a long shot too.

[spurraider21]

If they flip Flakes seat and pull off a miracle in Florida with a Nelson comeback, then they had a good night in the Senate.
agreed


The polling might have shown them as close races, but Indiana and North Dakota were lost before the race ever started, and Missouri was a long shot too.
i think its easy to say that now, but its always rough to lose when you're the incumbent...

[Will Hunting]

agreed


i think its easy to say that now, but its always rough to lose when you're the incumbent...
Agreed but it was a goofy incumbent situation. Indiana and Missouri had Democrat incumbents who won against crazy tea party candidates in 2012 who were winning in the polls before making a retarded comment about rape
and abortion (“If it’s a legitimate rape the woman’s body has a way of shutting the pregnancy down” :lol)

I also think that after 2016 and now midterms, there’s clearly a systemic polling error in not accurately weighing the exurban and rural vote.

[AaronY]

I also think that after 2016 and now midterms, there’s clearly a systemic polling error in not accurately weighing the exurban and rural vote.
This gibberish here means white trash, right?

Dont be PC now will..this is spurstalk remember

[Will Hunting]

This gibberish here means white trash, right?

Dont be PC now will..this is spurstalk remember
Yeah the white trash vote :lol

[LkrFan]

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[Reck]

A second update for the Arizona race. Sinema now leads by 9k

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1060698526311768065

[spurraider21]

Agreed but it was a goofy incumbent situation. Indiana and Missouri had Democrat incumbents who won against crazy tea party candidates in 2012 who were winning in the polls before making a retarded comment about rape
and abortion (“If it’s a legitimate rape the woman’s body has a way of shutting the pregnancy down” :lol)

I also think that after 2016 and now midterms, there’s clearly a systemic polling error in not accurately weighing the exurban and rural vote.
the legitimate rape guy was todd akin of missouri, dont remember the circumstance behind indiana

[AaronY]

Fake rape is like "the bitch wanted it" I guess?

[Will Hunting]

the legitimate rape guy was todd akin of missouri, dont remember the circumstance behind indiana
The Republican in Indiana was Richard Mourdock who said that if a woman got impregnated by her rapist then the baby was something god wanted to happen :lol

[AaronY]

"really when the rape started I was like "oh no!" but then i got into it a little and toward the end it got pretty good tbh. but like a typical man it didn't last long"

[AaronY]

Lol legitimate rape. I could do these jokes all day. hope that guy makes a comeback

[Reck]

The Republican in Indiana was Richard Mourdock who said that if a woman got impregnated by her rapist then the baby was something god wanted to happen :lol

These are the type of comments that probably gets you elected these days.

[Will Hunting]

Lol legitimate rape. I could do these jokes all day. hope that guy makes a comeback

https://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8907/large/gop_rape_advisory.gif?1351126298

[spurraider21]

Fake rape is like "the bitch wanted it" I guess?
the idea was that if a woman got pregnant, then it cant be a legitimate rape.

because if a woman is legitimately raped, her body will effectively shut down the whole pregnancy thing.

and his rationale was basically "you all know couples who are stressed and they find out they cant have kids, so they adopt, but then years later when they're not stressed they have a baby? you know these people. so it shows that if youre in a state of stress, like during rape, you can't get pregnant"

and he was serious

[AaronY]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8907/large/gop_rape_advisory.gif?1351126298

Lmao at "some girls they rape so easy"

Relax and enjoy it too lmao.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Republican in Indiana was Richard Mourdock who said that if a woman got impregnated by her rapist then the baby was something god wanted to happen :lol

thought it was Todd Akin or something like that.

[Will Hunting]

thought it was Todd Akin or something like that.
Akin was Missouri, Mourdock was Indiana. They gave away 2 senate seats in 2012 because of stupid rape comments.

[Winehole23]

A genius of derptacular proportions:

Charlie Kirk deleted the Tweet


Meet Young Kim She is the FIRST ASIAN AMERICAN WOMAN EVER elected to Congress Oh yeah, she is a REPUBLICAN Don't expect the media to report on it though ...

[Isitjustme?]

Whats the deal with Florida?

[spurraider21]

Whats the deal with Florida?
concerning the election, or just in general?

[Will Hunting]

Whats the deal with Florida?
Broward County has an unknown number of votes left to count (I’m serious, the county officials have flat out said they have no idea how many votes are left), and there’s been a lot of irregularities with votes in Broward County that have been counted because an oddly high number of them didn’t cast a vote for the senate race. As it stands right now, there’s an automatic manual recount that would get triggered.

[Isitjustme?]

Broward County has an unknown number of votes left to count (I’m serious, the county officials have flat out said they have no idea how many votes are left), and there’s been a lot of irregularities with votes in Broward County that have been counted because an oddly high number of them didn’t cast a vote for the senate race. As it stands right now, there’s an automatic manual recount that would get triggered.

Looks like Broward countys ballot was confusing or something as they are missing a lot of senate voted

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Whats the deal with Florida?

Scott and Desantis won't lose. FOX News has a 100% track record on their "projection" calls. Which is amazing long-term and considering they tend to make a lot of calls first. They called Obama first in 2012 by an hour, and the Dems to win the House this year by an hour.