Official Trump administration bungling response to pandemic thread.

[boutons_deux]

How Trump rolled back protections for seniors before the COVID-19 crisis

Trump to Speak About “Protecting America’s Seniors” :lol

After Gutting Protections for Nursing Home Residents

WASHINGTON, D.C. –This afternoon, President Trump is scheduled to speak on “protecting America’s seniors.”

His remarks will follow dangerous moves by the

Trump administration to

roll back regulations supporting nursing home residents,

including

weakening requirements for facilities to have infection specialists on staff and

undermining people’s abilities to sue facilities with claims of

elder abuse,

sexual harassment, or

wrongful death on behalf…

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/how-trump-rolled-back-protections-for-seniors-before-the-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4435&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/how-trump-rolled-back-protections-for-seniors-before-the-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4435&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

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predatory Capitalists looking for Capital, esp guaranteed cash flow to finance more loans

Investors Are Showing Greater Interest in Nursing Home Acquisition

(https://www.nreionline.com/seniors-housing/investors-are-showing-greater-interest-nursing-home-acquisitions)https://www.nreionline.com/seniors-housing/investors-are-showing-greater-interest-nursing-home-acquisitions

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A private equity firm purchased a major nursing home chain. What happened next?

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2018/11/28/nursinghome

[pgardn]

Trump claims Obama left him broken tests for the virus.

Shoring up the Chris- duckian base.

[Winehole23]

Trump claims Obama left him broken tests for the virus.

Shoring up the Chris- duckian base.No tests provided for a pathogen unknown to science? Obama isn't a time lord.

[boutons_deux]

No tests provided for a pathogen unknown to science? Obama isn't a time lord.

And for the PPE/etc Federal stockpile not being topped by Obama, the Repug House controlled spending 2010-2018.

[boutons_deux]

Trump moves — on Friday night — to replace watchdog who revealed his coronavirus failures

“President Trump moved on Friday night to

replace a top official at the Department of Health and Human Services who angered him

with a report last month highlighting supply shortages and testing delays at hospitals during the coronavirus pandemic,”

“The White House waited until after business hours

to announce the nomination of a new inspector general for the department who, if confirmed, would take over for Christi A. Grimm, the principal deputy inspector general who

was publicly assailed by the president at a news briefing three weeks ago,”

“The nomination was

the latest effort by Mr. Trump against watchdog offices around his administration that have defied him.

In recent weeks,

he fired an inspector general involved in the inquiry that led to the president’s impeachment,

nominated a White House aide to another key inspector general post overseeing virus relief spending and

moved to block still another inspector general from taking over as chairman of a pandemic spending oversight panel,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-moves-on-friday-night-to-replace-watchdog-who-revealed-his-coronavirus-failures-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4446 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-moves-on-friday-night-to-replace-watchdog-who-revealed-his-coronavirus-failures-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4446)

[boutons_deux]

How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems

Former officials: Trump’s

reshuffling of positions and departments,

focus on business solutions,

downgrading of science,

left the country dangerously unprepared for an unprecedented pandemic.

on John Bolton’s watch, one of three directorates merged (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/17/no_the_white_house_didnt_dissolve_its_pandemic_res ponse_office_142683.html) into one amid an overhaul and streamlining of Donald Trump’s National Security Council.

homeland-security adviser, was downgraded, stripped of its authority to convene the cabinet.

Trump’s dismissal—and

in some aspects, wholesale discarding—of the Obama administration’s preparedness structures and principles, and

the current administration’s ideas about government—

that states could and should take take responsibility,

that business could be more effective than government at solving problems at this scale— :lol

have left them dangerously unprepared.

when you walk through crisis management at a presidential level, the job of the president, first and foremost, is to develop and articulate the end state that we are trying to get to.”

he clearly wants all the credit for it when things go right.

he has furiously attempted to avoid having to take ownership for the success of the effort…

he wants the credit without the accountability.”

the president decides which scientists and governmental organizations are listened to.

“We’re seeing that institutions like the FDA and the CDC have been curtailed;

their ability to do the right thing has been curtailed,”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-obama-coronavirus-pandemic-response?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_050220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_050220&utm_term=VYF_Hive (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-obama-coronavirus-pandemic-response?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_050220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_050220&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

Trash is a shitbag LOSER running a shithole Exec that created 10Ks of dead Americans.

... executing Steve Bannon's FATAL "destruction of the administrative state"

[boutons_deux]

the lying and bungling at shithole state level

Texas Still Won’t Say Which Nursing Homes Have COVID-19 Cases. Families Are Demanding Answers.

Citing a state medical privacy law,

Texas is refusing to release the names of long-term care facilities

where residents have died from COVID-19,

even as those case numbers soar and families plead for information.

Despite more than 300 deaths in such facilities,

Gov. Greg Abbott (https://www.texastribune.org/directory/greg-abbott/) has not moved to make public where patients and caretakers have fallen ill or died.

The state’s expansive medical privacy law has made Texas among the most opaque for releasing information about the spread of the coronavirus,

family members say their ability to make crucial decisions about the care of vulnerable loved ones,

or even to grasp what was unfolding in the locked-down centers where relatives lived, has been stymied.

Often, they learned of problems only after a family member fell seriously ill or died from COVID-19.

“When people may have had a chance to make alternate arrangements for their relatives, they were denied that opportunity because facilities were withholding crucial information.”

https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-still-wont-say-which-nursing-homes-have-covid-19-cases-families-are-demanding-answers?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=river

Shitbag Repugs running a shithole state.

Anybody know WHY TX's medical privacy is extreme?

My guess the hospitals and doctors wanted to protect themselves,

NOT the Repugs wanting to protect patients' privacy.

[boutons_deux]

How Profit and Incompetence Delayed N95 Masks

While People Died at the VA

Federal agencies have hired contractors with no experience

to find respirators and masks, fueling

a black market filled with price gouging and multiple layers of profiteering brokers.

One contractor called them “buccaneers and pirates.”

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-profit-and-incompetence-delayed-n95-masks-while-people-died-at-the-va?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=river

[RandomGuy]

Not true. You follow your own. A scientist gets on FOX and you call them everything but white men, then down with the sodomites they get cast.

Don't try and bs an old bs'er, Homer.

& you've called out Trump ever since he left Hillary dead in the ground. Never gave him a minute's peace because that's what you vowed to do:::The Resistance.

You want to clean your conscious over our Spurs Talk contingent who stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

Come on ahead, Homer. Come ta Pappy.

Signed,

- Pappy

So Trump ordering meat packing plants to stay open is creating super-spreading events.

It will spread in the plants... and then to the nursing homes...

CDC still hasn't formed a task force to proect nursing homes.

So... it is will spread... then kill in concentrated places... then keep spreading.

Trump ain't doing shit about it. They are "thinking" about forming some teams to tackle nursing home infections.

[RandomGuy]

Why did Nancy stop wearing her non-mask mask?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mf3z7hAGDM

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

[DMC]

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

Trust the government.

[Spurtacular]

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

[Winehole23]

And for the PPE/etc Federal stockpile not being topped by Obama, the Repug House controlled spending 2010-2018.70-30

[boutons_deux]

Trump is desperately covering his tracks as the U.S. death toll passes 65,000

Arguably the most important news story this week was from The Washington Post, which reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html) that

“U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus

in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February,

months during which he continued to play down the threat.”

Epidemiologists say (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/opinion/covid-social-distancing.html) that up to 90 percent of U.S. deaths from COVID-19 could have been avoided if we had started sheltering in place just two weeks earlier than we did.

Trump is relentlessly working to cover his tracks.

This week, the White House

blocked Anthony Fauci (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-05-01/trump-administration-refuses-release-information-coronavirus) from testifying before a House committee, and

Trump is trying to replace the HHS Inspector General who brought public attention (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/us/politics/trump-health-department-watchdog.html) to critical shortages in medical supplies.

She is the latest in a series of agency watchdogs that Trump has axed (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/senate-trump-inspector-general-176407) for bringing his incompetence and corruption to light.

And the regime “is refusing to disclose how it is distributing medical supplies for the coronavirus response that were brought to the U.S. at taxpayer expense through a White House initiative known as Project Air Bridge,” according to The LA Times (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-05-01/trump-administration-refuses-release-information-coronavirus).

“The administration instead has

allowed six multibillion-dollar medical supply companies that are receiving government aid to import the supplies to block public release of the data.”


the regime is punishing former Trump consigliere Michael Cohen for writing a book about Trump’s sleaze.

Cohen expected to be granted early release from federal prison due to the coronavirus outbreak ... he was informed that he won’t be set loose after all.

a letter “demanding that Cohen stop writing a ‘tell-all’ anti-Trump book…

cited Cohen’s non-disclosure agreement that he signed while working for the Trump family’s business empire.”

Cohen, whom the president has lambasted as a double-crossing ‘rat.'”

Dismantling the regulatory state appears to be an essential activity with this bunch.

"This Trump administration rule would reduce vital protections of wetlands and streams to their lowest levels since the 1980s. This is both absolutely unacceptable and contrary to law."

OSHA citations have dropped nearly 70% during the COVID-19 pandemic,

1. The purpose of the Defense Production Act is to allow the president to compel private industry to produce things for the PUBLIC GOOD.

Trump is using it to provide LEGAL IMMUNITY to meat processing firms that expose their workers in unsafe conditions

“A Federal Reserve program expected to begin within weeks will provide

hundreds of billions in emergency aid to large American corporations without requiring them to save jobs or limit payments to executives and shareholders.”

“Tens of millions of pounds of American-grown produce is rotting in fields as food banks across the country scramble to meet a massive surge in demand,

“a two-pronged disaster that has deprived farmers of billions of dollars in revenue while millions of newly jobless Americans struggle to feed their families.”

“Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is continuing to garnish the wages of federal student loan borrowers who fall behind on payments even though Congress suspended the practice in the economic rescue package,

We still don’t know exactly what’s happening with the WH waylaying medical supplies.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-is-desperately-covering-his-tracks-as-the-u-s-death-toll-passes-65000/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-is-desperately-covering-his-tracks-as-the-u-s-death-toll-passes-65000/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

America, a blatantly FAILED STATE under Trash/Repug willful MISgovernance, and corruption.

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/jeffkasanoff/status/1256763746824843269?s=21

[TimDunkem]

https://twitter.com/jeffkasanoff/status/1256763746824843269?s=21

On the flipside, crazy how we literally ask fatass Americans to stay home, order in, and watch tv, and you still have a large swath bitching about it because "muh freedom".

[boutons_deux]

bungling? how about bullying and extortion?

Repugs value $$$ of Capital over the lives of Labor,

and the they know Trash and Repugs are screwd now and will be screwed in Nov if the $$$ aren't restarted

so ...

How Trump and the GOP Just Might ‘Liberate’ You to Death

Trump and Bill Barr and Mitch McConnell aren’t just urging states to reopen.

They’re finding ways to

reward states that do and

punish states that don’t.

Donald Trump said “I alone” can fix everything.

Then, as the pandemic gripped the nation,

Trump said, the Constitution required the states to take the lead and

mandated that governors compete amongst themselves for critical medical equipment and

decide whether or not to impose stay-at-home orders to protect their citizens’ lives.

Trump has declared that the country must be “liberated” in plenty of time for the fall election season.

he’s prepared to use the full force of the federal government,

along with gun-toting militia members,

to force governors’ hands, regardless of the danger to Americans’ lives.

the pandemic will provide the pretext for an unprecedented campaign of

federal interference with state governments, and

possibly the wholesale voiding of hard-fought worker and other legal protections,

some of which have been in place since the Great Depression.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-trump-and-the-gop-just-might-liberate-you-to-death?ref=home (https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-trump-and-the-gop-just-might-liberate-you-to-death?ref=home)

So this is Moscow's Bitch Mitch's b/g for attempting to immunize companies against lawsuits if workers FORCED back to work with threat of firing (no unemployment would be paid) get sick at work from "unsafe conditions".

[Spurs Homer]

Over 66000 killed

at least 50000 of those a result of the criminal incompetent criminal traitor illegitimate russian asset


50000:of those dead due to the complicit cult of trump who support the killing of fellow americans


which is why i stand firm on the hope that those 33% of complicit traitors - drink the poison when their cult leader orders them to drink it

and only then can we....


MAGA!

[boutons_deux]

Why The U.S. Government Stopped Funding A Research Project On Bats And Coronaviruses

The U.S. government has suddenly terminated funding for a years-long research project in China that many experts say is vital to preventing the next major coronavirus outbreak.

The project was run by a U.S. nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance. For more than a decade, the group has been sending teams to China to trap bats, collect samples of their blood, saliva and feces, and then check those samples for new coronaviruses that could spark the next global pandemic.

The idea is to identify locations that need to be monitored, come up with strategies to prevent spillover of the virus into human populations and get a jump on creating vaccines and treatments.

Already the project has identified hundreds of coronaviruses, including one very similar to the virus behind the current outbreak.

at an April 17 news conference, President Trump said he had given instructions to check if any U.S. funding was slated for the Wuhan Institute, and if so, he said, it would immediately be terminated.

Days later, on April 24, the National Institutes of Health, or

NIH — which was providing the grant for the project — notified EcoHealth Alliance that the money was being canceled,

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200503&utm_term=4555488&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid=189

Gratuitous crap, deflecting from the Trash-made Trash Pandemic

[boutons_deux]

Trump adviser Kudlow again says 'no one' could have predicted a virus would spread virally (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/3/1942339/-Trump-adviser-Kudlow-again-says-no-one-could-have-predicted-a-virus-would-spread-virally)

: White House adviser Larry Kudlow may be the most incompetent official in the entire Trump White House.

Larry Kudlow again appeared on television today to claim that

he was right :lol

to call the COVID-19 pandemic "contained" in America, at the end of February, :lol

but that

"the virus spread exponentially in ways that virtually no one could have predicted." :lol

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1942339 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1942339)

One can see why Trash employed, they're both ignorant, dumb as shit.

[boutons_deux]

How America First Trash can screw it up even more, cause more deaths

Fears rise that Trump will incite a global vaccine brawl

The president’s “America First” philosophy courts disaster for entire regions of the world

When global leaders gathered virtually last month at the behest of the World Health Organization

to commit to distributing a future coronavirus vaccine in an internationally equitable way,

the United States didn’t join in.

On Monday, the European Union is hosting a gathering for countries to pledge funding for research into vaccines and treatments for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

But once again the U.S. government isn’t expected to participate.

The Trump administration’s apparent lack of interest in cooperation has alarmed global health officials and diplomats

The fear is that Trump will be content with allowing the race to develop and distribute the vaccine

to devolve into a global contest -- and that poorer countries will be left behind in the rush to procure doses.

In essence:

that the president’s “America First” view of world affairs as an atavistic scramble for power will lead to unnecessary suffering and death.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-world-brawl-230142

Pootin is loving how Trash/Bannon are degrading America, to Russia's benefit

[pgardn]

No tests provided for a pathogen unknown to science? Obama isn't a time lord.

Just more evidence that Trump does not understand.
Or he understands that his base does NOT understand.

[monosylab1k]

https://i.ibb.co/HGCy5Zg/BB924021-F8-B8-4428-BCC7-CE2-EC12-EE132.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Town hall, Trash whines he is treated worse than A Lincoln

[ChumpDumper]

1257100407320576001

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/Rlmlma8.jpg

:lol

[DMC]

https://i.ibb.co/HGCy5Zg/BB924021-F8-B8-4428-BCC7-CE2-EC12-EE132.jpg

They aren't coming back though

[RandomGuy]

Trust the government.

Trump is not "the government". He is a spokesperson for his own best interests, and lies about everything.

Shorthand for another strawman lie. I don't trust governments unconditionally.

[RandomGuy]

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

[RandomGuy]

“President Trump moved on Friday night to replace a top official at the Department of Health and Human Services who angered him with a report last month highlighting supply shortages and testing delays at hospitals during the coronavirus pandemic,” The New York Times reported Friday evening.

The timing of the move was of note.

“The White House waited until after business hours to announce the nomination of a new inspector general for the department who, if confirmed, would take over for Christi A. Grimm, the principal deputy inspector general who was publicly assailed by the president at a news briefing three weeks ago,” the newspaper reported.

Now administration has made it plain they punish people for not towing the party line, and honestly reporting problems.

More bungling response. Don't fix the problems, but shoot the messenger.

[RandomGuy]

So now we are left with the Chinese dunking on us, using Trump's own words.

Chinese state media releases animated propaganda video mocking US coronavirus response
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/china-state-media-propaganda-video-mock-us-coronavirus/12204836


"It will magically go away in April,"

[Spurtacular]

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

[RandomGuy]

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

[Spurtacular]

Why do we still not have enough tests?

Trump said "soon".

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

[RandomGuy]

So, you don't have a good excuse for why Pelosi stopped wearing her pretend mask, then?

So cute, trying to imitate ChumpDumper.

For all your ragging on him, you are imitating him the first chance you get.

So you can't explain why we don't have the life-saving tests that Trump and Pence have been promising for months. We have tested fewer per capita than Belorus.

What a shithole country with a shithole leader you worship.

[Spurtacular]

So cute, trying to imitate ChumpDumper.

For all your ragging on him, you are imitating him the first chance you get.

So you can't explain why we don't have the life-saving tests that Trump and Pence have been promising for months. We have tested fewer per capita than Belorus.

What a shithole country with a shithole leader you worship.

You're the one who did the whataboutism in the first place. Are you okay with Nancy not wearing the mask in public like that?

[Spurtacular]

So you can't explain why we don't have the life-saving tests that Trump and Pence have been promising for months. We have tested fewer per capita than Belorus.



:lol

[RandomGuy]

Kansas sees coronavirus cases at meat-packing plants: report


As of Sunday, the state has reported more than 5,000 cases of the novel virus, but numbers are expected to rise as testing becomes more widely available. As of the same day, two counties in particular — Wyandotte County and Ford County — had the most cases, with 826 and 815 cases, respectively.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/kansas-sees-coronavirus-cases-at-meat-packing-plants-report

Whoops.

Double whammy of Trump administration bungling here. Keeping the meat packing plants open to spread the virus in places where they don't have enough testing.

That is some dumbshittery.

[RandomGuy]

You're the one who did the whataboutism in the first place. Are you okay with Nancy not wearing the mask in public like that?

Is Nancy Pelosi wearing a mask keeping Trump from getting the testing levels we need? Asking for a friend.

[RandomGuy]

:lol

Happy to misspell something else for you Kazirgastan. Kazachstan.

[Spurtacular]

Is Nancy Pelosi wearing a mask keeping Trump from getting the testing levels we need? Asking for a friend.

If there aren't enough tests, then clearly the medical system that Obama fucked up is in disarray, and that is showing. Though, not enough tests for a disease that didn't exist in America a half a year ago shouldn't shock anyone in the first place.

Why are you giving Pelosi a pass on not wearing the mask in public?

[clambake]

Trump knew in November...sign those body bags, dennison

[boutons_deux]

‘Results may be catastrophic’:

Concerns grow as

Trump shuns global cooperation on Covid-19 treatment

Trump’s approach to vaccine development is raising alarm among international diplomats and advocates who

fear the White House’s rejection of cooperative efforts hints at a future stance that

will emphasize competing with other countries for a vaccine rather than ensuring one is available for everyone in the world.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/results-may-be-catastrophic-concerns-grow-as-trump-shuns-global-cooperation-on-covid-19-treatment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4456&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

Pootin is LOVING how is protege/puppet is degrading America

[RandomGuy]

If there aren't enough tests, then clearly the medical system that Obama fucked up is in disarray, and that is showing. Though, not enough tests for a disease that didn't exist in America a half a year ago shouldn't shock anyone in the first place.


Trump has had three years to fix it. Trump president, not Obama.

Why did Trump not fix the system?

[RandomGuy]

Why are you giving Pelosi a pass on not wearing the mask in public?

Why do you care more about one person wearing a mask than hundreds of millions of people being safe?

[Spurtacular]

Why do you care more about one person wearing a mask than hundreds of millions of people being safe?

I thought wearing a mask was one of the ways we keep these hundreds of millions safe?

[Spurtacular]

Trump has had three years to fix it. Trump president, not Obama.

Why did Trump not fix the system?

Obama's price gouging for healthcare people were forced to buy wasn't motivated enough?

Keep clutching your pearls.

[boutons_deux]

Before pandemic,

Trump’s stockpile chief put focus on biodefense.

An old client benefited.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WINV6HULKEI6VAG72JFTLJLIVY.jpg&w=150the corrupt prick is in the prick in the middle

After Robert Kadlec was confirmed as President Trump’s top official for public health preparedness in 2017,

he began pressing to increase government stocks of a smallpox vaccine. :lol

His office ultimately made a deal to

buy up to $2.8 billion of the vaccine from a company

that once paid Kadlec as a consultant

Kadlec scaled back a long-standing interagency process for spending billions of dollars on stockpile purchases,

diminishing the role of government experts and

restricting decision-making to himself and a small circle of advisers

Kadlec committed additional spending to such biodefense countermeasures as smallpox and anthrax vaccines

while cutting planned spending on emerging infectious diseases,

despite warnings from scientists that a natural contagion could also be devastating.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/before-pandemic-trumps-stockpile-chief-put-focus-on-biodefense-an-old-client-benefited/2020/05/04/d3c2b010-84dd-11ea-878a-86477a724bdb_story.html?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1 QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J 0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3N DBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNmZGFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWViMDdiODZ mZTFmZjY1NGMyZDI3MmJhIiwidXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud 2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29tL2ludmVzdGlnYXRpb25zL2JlZm9 yZS1wYW5kZW1pYy10cnVtcHMtc3RvY2twaWxlLWNoaWVmLXB1d C1mb2N1cy1vbi1iaW9kZWZlbnNlLWFuLW9sZC1jbGllbnQtYmV uZWZpdGVkLzIwMjAvMDUvMDQvZDNjMmIwMTAtODRkZC0xMWVhL Tg3OGEtODY0NzdhNzI0YmRiX3N0b3J5Lmh0bWw_dXRtX2NhbXB haWduPXdwX3RvX3lvdXJfaGVhbHRoJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1ha WwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJndwaXNyYz1ubF90eWg md3Btaz0xIn0.TBUhdpNXwvYcMK_dRY1N-YSlP-eK_xcghv16OrwHN9k&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

[Spurs Homer]

fucking disgraceful murdering prick!

[boutons_deux]

FDA tries to mitigate damage done by Trump's push for speedy approval of antibody tests

faulty tests in a marketplace foster a ton of misinformation that threatens public health and could even prove deadly.

But thanks to Donald Trump's insistence that regulators ease rules (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/health/fda-antibody-tests-coronavirus.html) in order to get coronavirus tests to market more quickly, more than 100 antibody tests are now being sold that haven't met any standard for being effective

(FDA) announced it would retroactively impose a process for emergency use applications that companies must submit within 10 days after first bringing their products to market.

The policy, however, tasked companies entirely with validating their own tests. :lol :lol :lol self-regulation works EVERY TIME :lol

Some companies have also made false claims about their tests being FDA-approved or appropriate for at-home use, which was never part of the FDA guidelines.

confusion in the marketplace was bound to be the result of

Trump and his allies pushing to get a bunch of unproven tests on the market

as part of their reckless push to reopen the economy. :lol to get Trash re-elected

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/4/1942590/-FDA-tries-to-mitigate-damage-done-by-Trump-s-push-for-speedy-approval-of-antibody-tests

So now America has another TRASH TOXIC, FATAL FUCKUP to repair, people buying Trash's snake-oil bullshit tests

[boutons_deux]

Trump admits he was briefed on coronavirus before declaring ‘hoax’ and jetting off on golf trips

Trump admitted ahead of the report that he was briefed in January, though

he claimed that the briefing was not alarming.

The president tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257041819097092096) that he was not briefed until “late into January,” and “they only spoke of the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner.”

“On Jan. 23, I was told that there could be a virus coming in, but it was of no real import,” Trump said.

“In other words, it wasn’t: ‘Oh we gotta do something, we gotta do something.’ It was a brief conversation and it was only on Jan. 23.”

claimed that he was told “there could be a virus coming in,”

the briefing came three days after the U.S. had confirmed its first coronavirus case (https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191).

Trump also did not address

why, after receiving multiple briefings,

he continued to play golf at his resorts (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-trump-had-rallies-golfed-covid-19-outbreak-grew/5126918002/) until March 8.

Trump changed his tune (https://www.salon.com/2020/04/19/detailed-timeline-of-trumps-failures-shows-how-americas-coronavirus-crisis-was-man-made_partner/) by March 17, claiming that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-admits-he-was-briefed-on-coronavirus-before-declaring-hoax-and-jetting-off-on-golf-trips/

[boutons_deux]

The DISHONEST bungling continues

Dr. Anthony Fauci Dismisses Claims Virus Was Made In Or Escaped From Chinese Lab

Fauci told National Geographic

“a number of very qualified evolutionary biologists” had thrown water on the theories touted by President Trump.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fauci-trump-coronavirus-china-lab_n_5eb0f400c5b60a927781130e

[RandomGuy]

So now we have Trump is bored of this crisis.

Probably made him actually work for the first time in his life.


Trump dismisses new COVID-19 death forecast: 'It's time to go back to work'

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-coronavirus-death-forecast-fauci-testimony-164017812.html

[boutons_deux]

‘Genocide by default’: Yale epidemiologist calls

Trump’s coronavirus response

a potential war crime

Gregg Gonsalves, ... wrote a scathing tweet about the president’s latest efforts to send Americans back to work even though more than 70,000 people have died so far with no end in sight.

“How many people will die this summer, before Election Day?” he asked.

“What proportion of the deaths will be among African-Americans, Latinos, other people of color?

This is getting awfully close to genocide by default.

What else do you call mass death by public policy?”

Trump’s negligence is so gross that he could be prosecuted for war crimes under international law.

“So, what does it mean

to let thousands die by negligence, omission, failure to act, in a legal sense under international law?”

what is happening in the US is purposeful, considered negligence, omission, failure to act by our leaders.

Can they be held responsible under international law?”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/genocide-by-default-yale-epidemiologist-calls-trumps-coronavirus-response-a-potential-war-crime/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4464

[boutons_deux]

“Like a Bully at the Lunchroom”:

How the Federal Government Took Control of the PPE Pipeline

FEMA denies seizing shipments of masks and ventilators,

but hospital workers tell a different story, and one medical-equipment supplier says

the agency—“those rat bastards”—along with the FBI, has taken over his entire operation.

As the coronavirus crisis has dragged on, scattered reports have emerged of the federal government seizing PPE shipments.

State leaders in Colorado, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida have accused (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-federal-govt-fema-accused-taking-states-masks-ventilator-orders-2020-4) FEMA and the federal government of diverting their orders for protective gear.

Colorado governor Jared Polis famously said his order of ventilators was “swept up” by the agency.

Per the New York Times, the head of the board for the Kentucky Hospital Association wrote (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html) that four shipments of protective equipment intended for hospitals were taken by FEMA.

FEMA asserted it was not seizing any shipments and

that “prioritizing PPE deliveries to COVID hot spots can have the

unintended consequence :lol

of disrupting the regular supply-chain deliveries to other areas of the country that are also preparing for the coronavirus.”

The small business owner’s story, however, goes a step further;

it suggests that the federal government has taken control of every level of a private business.

(FEMA did not respond to a request for comment.)

‘Guys, I just heard I may have failed the [quality control] test,’” the businessman recalled.

“And you know what FEMA said? ‘That’s okay, we want the product anyway.’”

a Seattle-based customs lawyer said that stories of the federal government seizing PPE will likely see ramifications down the line.

“We end up telling clients that it could be the case that FEMA is...acting on thin or no legal authority,”

But “the legal resolution of these seizures will take time.…

I cannot personally discount that there is a gray area—that

six months, a year from now we start finding out about” unlawful seizures.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/how-the-federal-government-took-control-of-the-ppe-pipeline?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_050720&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_050720&utm_term=VYF_Hive

W T F

[boutons_deux]

Shocking: Jared Kushner’s Young Consultant Army Was Clueless On Coronavirus

Trump’s son-in-law’s volunteer team—pulled from private equity, venture capital and consulting firms—reportedly hampered efforts to procure medical supplies and prioritized political allies.

Kushner’s crack squad of young private sector volunteers—hailing from venture capital, private equity and consulting firms—has been beset by crippling incompetence and political cronyism,

exacerbating the federal government’s gross mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis

a member of Kushner’s team said in a whistleblower report sent to the House Oversight Committee on April 8

“From my few weeks as a volunteer, I believe we are falling short.”

volunteers on Kushner’s team

often lacked relevant qualifications to help get necessary resources to hospitals fighting the COVID crisis,

with team members who

didn’t have sufficient “health care, procurement, or supply-chain operations” experience assigned to help obtain and direct supplies to medical workers.

the Kushner team fast-tracked protective equipment leads from a list of “V.I.P.s,” including Trump allies in the conservative media like Fox News hosts Brian Kilmeade and Jeanine Pirro.

“The nature and scale of the response seemed grossly inadequate,”

other officials that corroborated (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/jared-kushner-fema-coronavirus.html) the former volunteer’s complaint to the House Oversight Committee.

“Grossly inadequate” is a pretty accurate description of Kushner’s entire career in government, which has been marked

by embarrassing overconfidence,

few tangible accomplishments, and

the general sense that he’s more or less getting in the way

(https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/shocking-jared-kushners-young-consultant-army-was-clueless-on-coronavirus?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_050720&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_050720&utm_term=VYF_Hive) the administration has put political connections ahead of public health and

pushed unproven drugs as potential cures for the virus

Trump declares premature victory over the virus and

pushes for states and businesses to reopen.

As the volunteer on Kushner’s team wrote in the April complaint,

“These problems affect the entire chain of command,

hamper our ability to respond and

could result in many Americans losing their lives.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/shocking-jared-kushners-young-consultant-army-was-clueless-on-coronavirus?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_050720&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_050720&utm_term=VYF_Hive
(https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/shocking-jared-kushners-young-consultant-army-was-clueless-on-coronavirus?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_050720&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_050720&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

[boutons_deux]

Fears rise that Trump will incite a global vaccine brawl

The president’s “America First” philosophy courts disaster for entire regions of the world, diplomats warn.

The Trump administration’s apparent lack of interest in cooperation :lol Pootin is loving it!

The concerns are only deepening as President Donald

Trump and his aides squabble with China and the WHO over the origins of the virus.

The fear is that Trump will be content with allowing the race to develop and distribute the vaccine to devolve into a global contest —

and that poorer countries will be left behind in the rush to procure doses.

In essence: that the

president’s “America First” view of world affairs as an atavistic scramble for power will lead to unnecessary suffering and death.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-world-brawl-230142 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-world-brawl-230142)

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration buries detailed CDC advice on reopening

The Trump administration shelved a document

created by the nation’s top disease investigators

with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during

the still-raging coronavirus outbreak (https://apnews.com/VirusOutbreak).

The 17-page report by a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention team,

titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883734-CDC-Business-Plans.html) was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen.

It was supposed to be published last Friday, but

agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,”

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4?utm_campaign=wp_t o_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1&pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.e yJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSI sImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNmZ GFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWViNDc0N2VmZTFmZjY1NGMyZDVkYzAxIiw idXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly9hcG5ld3MuY29tLzdhMDBkNWZiYTMyN DllNTczZDJlYWQ0YmQzMjNhNGQ0P3V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj13cF9 0b195b3VyX2hlYWx0aCZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb 3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ3cGlzcmM9bmxfdHloJndwbWs9MSJ 9.cIKlnzXAKMbz_5hELJw2qpnx-kkj9nRtWoCnMJiQZ_w

[boutons_deux]

I worked for Jared Kushner. Of course he says his covid-19 failure is a success.

President Trump’s son-in-law always casts himself as the genius cleaning up someone else’s problems.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/UA7QIZTVGYI6VLM3EVHMTGMTXQ.jpg&w=150

Jared Kushner’s coronavirus response team, we learned this week, is fumbling because

it’slargely staffed (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/jared-kushner-fema-coronavirus.html) with inexperienced volunteers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-coronavirus-effort-said-to-be-hampered-by-inexperienced-volunteers/2020/05/05/6166ef0c-8e1c-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_2&itid=lk_inline_manual_2).

Of course it is. It’s being run by one.

After bungling many high-profile efforts to address various problems and often making them worse (see, Middle East (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/03/why-jared-kushners-middle-east-peace-plan-is-dead-arrival/?tid=lk_inline_manual_3&itid=lk_inline_manual_3), peace in),

he keeps being handed more responsibilities with higher stakes.

He has wasted taxpayer resources and endangered lives

trying on policy roles usually reserved for the country’s top experts with the sophistication of a child playing dress-up

There have been no consequences.

In any normal administration, an adviser with Kushner’s string of failures would be fired,

but Kushner, like his father-in-law, keeps crediting himself with imaginary successes.

He has also continued to bash the actual experts, disputing their assessments (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/04/29/jared-kushner-says-we-have-all-the-testing-we-need-counter-to-health-expert-estimates/#4ccfb6807fc9) and implying that they, not he, are the amateurs, and

he is here to clean up their mess.

Kusher thought this self-aggrandizing nonsense was an appropriate eulogy, but that, too, is in keeping with how he operates.

he seemed constitutionally incapable of considering the humanity of other people as a starting point.

Relationships were primarily transactional, and

this failure of empathy permeated everything he did.

He could not register the grief of the people in the room that day for the same reason that

he apparently can’t register the grief millions of Americans are experiencing now as their lives are upended by covid-19 and people they love become sick and die.

enables him to lie on camera about the state of what’s happening —

to view the coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?tid=lk_inline_manual_10&itid=lk_inline_manual_10) response as an opportunity to trade favors

and not a necessary and vital obligation of the federal government — and

why he will cast himself as a begrudging custodian of problems other people created

even as those problems metastasize all around him as a direct consequence of his mismanagement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/05/08/jared-kushner-coronavirus-failure/

[boutons_deux]

Kemp following Trash's lead

Georgia's 'reopening' results in 60,000+ out-of-state visitors a day coming to spread the virus (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/7/1943353/-Georgia-s-reopening-results-in-60-000-out-of-state-visitors-a-day-coming-to-spread-the-virus)

More than 62,000 additional out-of-state visitors are arriving daily. That’s a 13% increase in state-to-state travel.

almost all of that traffic came from adjacent Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Florida,

four states where business restrictions kept restaurants, theaters and other nonessential service businesses closed when Georgia's reopened.

Georgia, then, created a near-perfect scenario for spreading the virus inside and outside the state.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/7/1943353/-Georgia-s-reopening-results-in-60-000-out-of-state-visitors-a-day-coming-to-spread-the-virus

[boutons_deux]

AP Exclusive: Docs show top WH officials buried CDC report

The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation’s top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House

after the AP reported Thursday that the guidance document had been buried,

the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval. :lol

top public health experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation.

McEnany said LIED! :lol Friday that the documents had not been approved by CDC Director Robert Redfield. The new emails, however, show that Redfield cleared the guidance.

https://apnews.com/9c4d5284ba4769d3b98aa05232201f88?fbclid=IwAR2JcE-ygMmnFfZRA-oyHVvKipN6b2zTlKU6HJJ4IpbrXtmIQkQmN6cFIdQ (https://apnews.com/9c4d5284ba4769d3b98aa05232201f88?fbclid=IwAR2JcE-ygMmnFfZRA-oyHVvKipN6b2zTlKU6HJJ4IpbrXtmIQkQmN6cFIdQ)

[boutons_deux]

A group of nurses held a protest and created a heartbreaking memorial in front of the White House (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/7/1943383/-A-group-of-nurses-held-a-protest-and-created-a-heartbreaking-memorial-in-front-of-the-White-House)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/802275/story_image/GettyImages-1223421762.jpg?1588883754

The current administration has ignored the needs of and provided no support to front-line workers during this crisis.

laid 88 pairs of shoes (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/nurses-protest-outside-white-house-to-honor-fallen-nurses/65-28b77061-d287-4972-8fbb-d97a5dc97615) in front of the White House Thursday to honor the 88 nurses who have died on the front lines of the country’s COVID-19 crisis.

Registered nurses also held signs to call attention to the thousands of healthcare workers who have become infected by COVID-19 due to a lack of PPE.

According to the nurses of National Nurses United, about 18 million doctors, nurses, and home nursing aides are fighting COVID-19 across the nation.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/7/1943383/-A-group-of-nurses-held-a-protest-and-created-a-heartbreaking-memorial-in-front-of-the-White-House?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/7/1943383/-A-group-of-nurses-held-a-protest-and-created-a-heartbreaking-memorial-in-front-of-the-White-House?detail=emaildkre)

[boutons_deux]

Trump threatened Senate Republicans trying to save themselves.

Now they're praising his butchery

https://images.dailykos.com/images/761289/story_image/GettyImages-1195923553.jpg?1580330448
Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst says of coronavirus that Trump was "on it from day one." Yes, she said that.

Senate Republicans are such a pathetic lot of craven misfits.

First they voted to ensure a raving lunatic would be at the helm of our country right as a global pandemic was infiltrating America.

Then they tried to cut Donald Trump loose (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/27/1940871/-Trump-s-so-indefensible-Senate-Republicans-turn-to-scapegoating-China-to-save-their-majority)

when they realized he wasn't doing so hot as

national testing lagged,

body bags piled up, and

he paraded his sociopathic incompetence on the airwaves every day.

After the Senate GOP campaign arm circulated a memo (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/27/1940871/-Trump-s-so-indefensible-Senate-Republicans-turn-to-scapegoating-China-to-save-their-majority) dissuading the caucus from defending the indefensible (i.e., Trump),

the orange menace predictably threatened to kneecap (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/28/1941029/-Trump-lashes-out-as-Senate-Republicans-focus-on-saving-their-own-hides) every GOP senator who left him for dead.

Now many of the GOP's most vulnerable caucus members are either

publicly lavishing praise on Trump (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/06/senate-republicans-trump-coronavirus-response-240454) for his wildly incompetent coronavirus response or

tiptoeing around him for fear of retribution.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/8/1943497/-Senate-Republicans-settle-on-praising-Trump-s-coronavirus-butchery-all-the-way-to-reelection?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/8/1943497/-Senate-Republicans-settle-on-praising-Trump-s-coronavirus-butchery-all-the-way-to-reelection?detail=emaildkre)

[boutons_deux]

In the early days of the pandemic, the U.S. government turned down an offer to manufacture millions of N95 masks in America

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5XOFF7UQSQI6VIF4J2NNJBTNEE.jpg&w=150

It was Jan. 22, a day after the first case (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html)of covid-19 was detected in the United States, and

orders were pouring into Michael Bowen’s company outside Fort Worth,

some from as far away as Hong Kong.

Bowen’s medical supply company, Prestige Ameritech, could ramp up production to make an additional 1.7 million N95 masks a week.

he wanted to give the federal government first dibs.

“We still have four like-new N95 manufacturing lines,”

“Reactivating these machines would be very difficult and very expensive but could be achieved in a dire situation.”

Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and emergency response — left Bowen with the clear impression that there was little immediate interest in his offer.

“We are the last major domestic mask company,” he wrote on Jan. 23.

“My phones are ringing now, so I don’t ‘need’ government business.

I’m just letting you know that I can help you preserve our infrastructure if things ever get really bad.

I’m a patriot first, businessman second.”

the government did not take Bowen up on his offer.

Even today, production lines that could be making more than 7 million masks a month sit dormant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

[tholdren]

In the early days of the pandemic, the U.S. government turned down an offer to manufacture millions of N95 masks in America

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5XOFF7UQSQI6VIF4J2NNJBTNEE.jpg&w=150

It was Jan. 22, a day after the first case (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html)of covid-19 was detected in the United States, and

orders were pouring into Michael Bowen’s company outside Fort Worth,

some from as far away as Hong Kong.

Bowen’s medical supply company, Prestige Ameritech, could ramp up production to make an additional 1.7 million N95 masks a week.

he wanted to give the federal government first dibs.

“We still have four like-new N95 manufacturing lines,”

“Reactivating these machines would be very difficult and very expensive but could be achieved in a dire situation.”

Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and emergency response — left Bowen with the clear impression that there was little immediate interest in his offer.

“We are the last major domestic mask company,” he wrote on Jan. 23.

“My phones are ringing now, so I don’t ‘need’ government business.

I’m just letting you know that I can help you preserve our infrastructure if things ever get really bad.

I’m a patriot first, businessman second.”

the government did not take Bowen up on his offer.

Even today, production lines that could be making more than 7 million masks a month sit dormant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)



Didn't California do the same thing and bought from China? Didn't the gov of California just say he knew the first covid transmission in the state was because of a nail salon? Lol. Who cares, it is not one persons fault.

Why play the blame game? If you pledge allegiance to a party and then try to blame others simply because of affiliation then you are dumber than these two clowns. Sadly they have both won because not only are you ignorantly binding yourself to a political party, but you are on the internet complaining about it rather than actually doing something productive, which is what both parties want. They are not doing anything more than marketing to you just like the NBA. Sad.

[boutons_deux]

Didn't California do the same thing and bought from China? Didn't the gov of California just say he knew the first covid transmission in the state was because of a nail salon? Lol. Who cares, it is not one persons fault.

Why play the blame game? If you pledge allegiance to a party and then try to blame others simply because of affiliation then you are dumber than these two clowns. Sadly they have both won because not only are you ignorantly binding yourself to a political party, but you are on the internet complaining about it rather than actually doing something productive, which is what both parties want. They are not doing anything more than marketing to you just like the NBA. Sad.

you FULL of SHIT.

I'm not a Dem, have not pledged allegiance to any party

My "productive" is staying in and around the house, and wearing a mask in public. What are you doing "productive"?

This mask producer got screwed in 2010, after ramping up facilities to provide masks for the swine flu pandemic.

Americans companies bought from him.

After the pandemic, the Americans switched back to Asian suppliers, leaving him almost bankrupt with the facilities he mentions.

Why blame game? because Trash and his Exec are fully deserving of blame for 10Ks of EXCESS deaths of Americans?

Not Obama, not Pelosi/Schumer, not the Dems

Trash President, no Hillary

You and your Repugs elected Trash, share the blame for the FATAL, DESTRUCTIVE shit storm Trash has visited on USA

[tholdren]

you FULL of SHIT.

I'm not a Dem, have not pledged allegiance to any party

My "productive" is staying in and around the house, and wearing a mask in public. What are you doing "productive"?

This mask producer got screwed in 2010, after ramping up facilities to provide masks for the swine flu pandemic.

Americans companies bought from him.

After the pandemic, the Americans switched back to Asian suppliers, leaving him almost bankrupt with the facilities he mentions.

Why blame game? because Trash and his Exec are fully deserving of blame for 10Ks of EXCESS deaths of Americans?

Not Obama, not Pelosi/Schumer, not the Dems

Trash President, no Hillary

You and your Repugs elected Trash, share the blame for the FATAL, DESTRUCTIVE shit storm Trash has visited on USA

What a sad and incoherent response. Best of luck in your search for happiness.

[boutons_deux]

What a sad and incoherent response. Best of luck in your search for happiness.

F O L D E D! :lol

[tholdren]

F O L D E D! :lol

Caps and emojies. I win again

[Spurs Homer]

F O L D E D! :lol

he got shitted on severely in the spurs forum (popovich corona/trump) thread

and now looking to troll here


he is 100% trump cult magat

[BSfromTX]

you FULL of SHIT.

I'm not a Dem, have not pledged allegiance to any party

My "productive" is staying in and around the house, and wearing a mask in public. What are you doing "productive"?

This mask producer got screwed in 2010, after ramping up facilities to provide masks for the swine flu pandemic.

Americans companies bought from him.

After the pandemic, the Americans switched back to Asian suppliers, leaving him almost bankrupt with the facilities he mentions.

Why blame game? because Trash and his Exec are fully deserving of blame for 10Ks of EXCESS deaths of Americans?

Not Obama, not Pelosi/Schumer, not the Dems

Trash President, no Hillary

You and your Repugs elected Trash, share the blame for the FATAL, DESTRUCTIVE shit storm Trash has visited on USA

seriously man, I don’t think much of trump at all, but to think Obama, Pelosi, and democrats aren’t a part of it as well just doesn’t make sense. They are all Just as worthless as the other

[boutons_deux]

seriously man, I don’t think much of trump at all, but to think Obama, Pelosi, and democrats aren’t a part of it as well just doesn’t make sense. They are all Just as worthless as the other

How are Obama, Pelosi, Dems part of it? actual details, instead BULLSHIT claims of false equivalence?

Trash President, not Obama

Trash President, not Pelosi

Repugs craven Trash dick suckers, not Dems

[boutons_deux]

Negligent manslaughter becoming willful manslaughter

As Trump rushes to reopen, his team is privately issuing dire warnings

Months after Trump ignored more than a dozen red alerts (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html) from his intelligence agencies and other agencies that a deadly virus was headed for American shores,

he's now ignoring dire warnings from top administration officials about reopening too soon.

several officials with the departments of Health and Human Services and Homeland Security discussed the potentially catastrophic effects of a rushed reopening on the same day that Trump had allowed federal social distancing guidelines to expire without a peep.

“The numbers of deaths definitely will be high,”

states that were relaxing distancing measures even though their case counts were high or still increasing.

as Trump cheers those steps every chance he gets,

he does seem to have internalized some level of risk for lost lives—

a consequence he's perfectly willing to accept.

It's unconscionable and a complete dereliction of duty for Trump

to keep foisting his precious economic restart on the American people

without leveling with them about its potential consequences.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/6/1943193/-Bulldozing-ahead-Trump-ignores-his-team-s-apocalyptic-warnings-about-rushing-to-reopen

"More dead Amerians? Fuck 'em, I must be re-elected at all costs"

[boutons_deux]

Mnuchin says unemployment will get worse before it gets better amid coronavirus pandemic

Two of President Trump’s top economic advisers said Sunday that

Americans face an economy that will worsen in the coming months,

with predictions that the unemployment rate will jump to 20 percent from the 14.7 percent reported Thursday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/10/coronavirus-update-us/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9. eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YS IsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNm ZGFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWViODYyMWVmZTFmZjY1NGMyZDkyNjJmIi widXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29t L25hdGlvbi8yMDIwLzA1LzEwL2Nvcm9uYXZpcnVzLXVwZGF0ZS 11cy8_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX3RvX3lvdXJfaGVhbHRoJnV0 bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJn dwaXNyYz1ubF90eWgmd3Btaz0xI2xpbmstQ1FDRTNOVVY3QkJP N0xaTEMyUjNIN0RQU00ifQ.x8rY69UWdW-v92yeBduAu8N-j4fRVUOEScFnYBKrTb8&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1#link-CQCE3NUV7BBO7LZLC2R3H7DPSM

the "current 14.7" was for mid-April, because they stop counting mid-month

20% by 15 May seems very probable

so Repugs/Trash want govt to stop giving money

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96399515_10223140029386764_6654220328073428992_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=BjhHBCtOlC0AX-G9oFL&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=b92f2aa5fe48212c46127677743cf820&oe=5EDD9056

[RandomGuy]

Didn't California do the same thing and bought from China? Didn't the gov of California just say he knew the first covid transmission in the state was because of a nail salon? Lol. Who cares, it is not one persons fault.

Why play the blame game? If you pledge allegiance to a party and then try to blame others simply because of affiliation then you are dumber than these two clowns. Sadly they have both won because not only are you ignorantly binding yourself to a political party, but you are on the internet complaining about it rather than actually doing something productive, which is what both parties want. They are not doing anything more than marketing to you just like the NBA. Sad.

Dude, there is ONE person ultimately in charge of the federal response.

ONE.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Predictably Brushes Off Historic Job Losses:

“They'll Be Back Very Soon” :lol

After months downplaying the public health threat from coronavirus, Trump now suggests millions of jobs lost to the pandemic will quickly return—

analysts expect recovery to take years.

“We had the strongest economy in the history of the world— :lol

the strongest economy we've ever had— :lol

The Bungler-in-Chief always trying to LIE and CON his way to aggrandize, enrich himself



and we had to close it, which is artificial,” :lol


“We artificially closed it. :lol

Those jobs will all be back, :lol

and they'll be back very soon, :lol

and next year we're gonna have a phenomenal year.” :lol

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-predictably-brushes-off-historic-job-losses-theyll-be-back-very-soon?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=biz&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=thematic_business_051120&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Business (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-predictably-brushes-off-historic-job-losses-theyll-be-back-very-soon?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=biz&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=thematic_business_051120&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Business)

[boutons_deux]

60 Minutes exposes

Trump de-funding NIH Pandemic Research

b/c head wouldn't go along w his China CT

https://images.dailykos.com/images/802452/story_image/Screenshot2020-05-08at5.57.01AM.png?1588942718

Why it matters that the NIH canceled a coronavirus research grant

President Trump said he would check if any U.S. funds had been granted to the Wuhan Institute, and if so, he said, they would immediately be terminated.

But the $3.7 million grant was not given to the Wuhan Institute. It had been awarded to Daszak's New York-based organization, EcoHealth Alliance.

Ending an NIH grant usually requires a full investigation and proof of an egregious action like scientific or financial fraud—neither of which applied to EcoHealth Alliance.

"This is the worst kind of thing that political interference can cause in a democracy."

Recognizing the ramifications of NIH's decision involves understanding of the scope of Daszak's work—and its impact on future coronavirus pandemics


Last year, the NIH reauthorized EcoHealth's five-year grant after independent scientists reviewed the application.

According to Daszak, EcoHealth's grant received a high-priority score and

was in the top three percent of grants the NIH reviewed last year.


This report enraged Trump, who responded on Twitter.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/10/1944182/-60-Minutes-exposes-Trump-de-funding-NIH-Pandemic-Research-b-c-head-wouldn-t-go-along-w-his-China-CT?detail=emaildkre

Bungler-in-chief, acting on lies from fucking Gaetz

[boutons_deux]

Americans see Trump as the ‘main source’ of COVID-19 misinformation —

and it’s not even close

47 percent of Americans have identified the Trump administration as “the main source” of COVID-19 misinformation,

while an additional seven percent identified the White House as the second-largest source of bad pandemic information.






“Partisans have clear ideas of what entities are most responsible for misinformation,” the Night Foundation writes.

“For Democrats, it is the Trump administration;

for Republicans, it is the mainstream national news media. :lol stupid fucks

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/americans-see-trump-as-the-main-source-of-covid-19-misinformation-and-its-not-even-close-poll/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4505&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/americans-see-trump-as-the-main-source-of-covid-19-misinformation-and-its-not-even-close-poll/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4505&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s gaslighting of America over increased pandemic safety is falling apart

Trump and his advisers benefit from testing and tracing that the rest of us mostly do not enjoy,

though that’s damning enough.

It’s also that this

shatters the larger illusion Trump is trying to weave with his magical reality-bending powers — :lol

that the coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?tid=lk_inline_manual_10&itid=lk_inline_manual_10) has been so tamed by his stupendous leadership :lol

that it’s now safe to reopen the country,

setting the stage for an equally spectacular Trump-marshaled comeback.” :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trumps-gaslighting-of-america-over-increased-pandemic-safety-is-falling-apart-columnist/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4505

[boutons_deux]

Re-opening is a HUGE TRASH BUNGLE

South Korea’s new coronavirus cases show the perils of reopening

Just one sick person led to a sudden increase of new infections in South Korea.

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21254451/south-korea-nightclub-outbreak-coronavirus-infections-reopening-dangers (https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21254451/south-korea-nightclub-outbreak-coronavirus-infections-reopening-dangers)

[Spurs Homer]

Lol

trump melting down when an asian woman reporter asks him

“why do you keep saying america has more testing than other countries- why is this a competition when americans are dying?”

trump: “why dont you ask china?”

asian woman : “why are you asking me that question- specifically?”

trump : “thats a nasty question”

reporter “no- its not”

trump: “leaves /ends the q & a”



lol


little bitch

[RandomGuy]

No, odds are not pretty good it will pass 60K by the end of this month. The shitty IHME model that already factored in social distancing and has been revised down constantly isn't even predicting that.

:lmao

Fucking moron. Odds are good it will have killed over 300k by November. Just in time for the election.

Your Dear Leader is imploding.

Wear a mask.

[RandomGuy]

TSA? Dear leader's intelligence and sanity have been impugned. Get in here and carry some water.

I want a deflection from Trump saying we can try 'internal UV light' or 'injecting disinfectant', chop chop.

[ChumpDumper]

No, odds are not pretty good it will pass 60K by the end of this month. The shitty IHME model that already factored in social distancing and has been revised down constantly isn't even predicting that.Wrong about coronavirus.

[RandomGuy]

Wrong about coronavirus.

Odds are good that it will have 60k in May alone. Opening up is gonna be deadly. Every crowded restaurant with idiots refusing to wear masks is a mini super-spreading event. This shit is fucking inevitable and as predictable as Sweden's uptick.

[picnroll]

A Pennsylvania mask factory scrapped a visit from Trump because it worried the event could spread the coronavirus
https://www.businessinsider.com/mask-factory-cancels-trump-visit-over-coronavirus-spread-concerns-2020-5

Sometimes it’s almost too funny to be true. :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

How many rose garden pressers to announce that there will be x amount of testing availabe...


”soon”

only to turn out to be bullshit...


followed by another rose garden presser a month later to promise the exact same thing?

[RandomGuy]

How many rose garden pressers to announce that there will be x amount of testing availabe...


”soon”

only to turn out to be bullshit...


followed by another rose garden presser a month later to promise the exact same thing?

They still don't have adequate testing. Everybody who wants one... still can't get one.

[RandomGuy]

TSA still AWOL.

Guess he doesn't want to make the case for how well Trump is responding to this crisis.

:rollin

[tholdren]

They still don't have adequate testing. Everybody who wants one... still can't get one.

Why does this matter?

[RandomGuy]

Why does this matter?

Science. Safety.

If you want a full explanation, it isn't my job to understand it for you. Google is that way------------------->

[tholdren]

Science. Safety.

If you want a full explanation, it isn't my job to understand it for you. Google is that way------------------->

What happens after you get tested. You are either pos or neg at the time you took the test. Then what?

[RandomGuy]

What happens after you get tested. You are either pos or neg at the time you took the test. Then what?

Then you can self-quarantine or not. And the rest of us get the data\um you generate on prevalence of disease. At some point, we will have to start contact tracing, which will also require tests.

[tholdren]

Then you can self-quarantine or not. And the rest of us get the data\um you generate on prevalence of disease. At some point, we will have to start contact tracing, which will also require tests.

So how often would you test, minutely?

[clambake]

So how often would you test, minutely?

Then you must think all the White House testing is nuts, huh?

[tholdren]

Then you can self-quarantine or not. And the rest of us get the data\um you generate on prevalence of disease. At some point, we will have to start contact tracing, which will also require tests.

This plan seems like you think you can eradicate the virus, which at this point is not possible. Nor do any of these people on the testing kick have a plan for when to test. These are all reactive plans with testing anyway.

[tholdren]

Then you must think all the White House testing is nuts, huh?

The whole thing lacks any science. Lots of theories, lots of wrong theories, lots of being reactive, lots of headline grabbers and clickbait, too political, not one person's problem or fault.

[BSfromTX]

This plan seems like you think you can eradicate the virus, which at this point is not possible. Nor do any of these people on the testing kick have a plan for when to test. These are all reactive plans with testing anyway.

Thats been my point. I seriously (IMHO) do not believe you will eradicate this virus. It has spread to every country and is highly communicable, so it seems to me that it will be done running it's course in 2020 if not already. You would have to put every man woman and child in their home for at least a month and shut down everything on the face of the planet. Police, military, doctors, grocery stores, all of them would have to stay home as well, but how can we be sure even that would eradicate it? We can't.

This virus has had too many variables. Doesn't affect kids, highly communicable, may not show symptoms, not enough tests, who makes the tests, who approves the test, who reads the test, who validates it for statistics, what antibodies cause a positive test, could they be antibodies developed from another Coronavirus or other virus in general. You can go on and on with questions like these. People need to quit acting like they have all the answers, because none of us do.

It amazes me how insulting and arrogant some can be in here. Nobody can answer these questions with certainty unless they are putting their full faith into our government, media, and "science".... THAT is scarier than COVID19

[tholdren]

Thats been my point. I seriously (IMHO) do not believe you will eradicate this virus. It has spread to every country and is highly communicable, so it seems to me that it will be done running it's course in 2020 if not already. You would have to put every man woman and child in their home for at least a month and shut down everything on the face of the planet. Police, military, doctors, grocery stores, all of them would have to stay home as well, but how can we be sure even that would eradicate it? We can't.

This virus has had too many variables. Doesn't affect kids, highly communicable, may not show symptoms, not enough tests, who makes the tests, who approves the test, who reads the test, who validates it for statistics, what antibodies cause a positive test, could they be antibodies developed from another Coronavirus or other virus in general. You can go on and on with questions like these. People need to quit acting like they have all the answers, because none of us do.

It amazes me how insulting and arrogant some can be in here. Nobody can answer these questions with certainty unless they are putting their full faith into our government, media, and "science".... THAT is scarier than COVID19
Yes. And the fact that they fail to take into consideration families who have lost jobs, may very well lead extremely rough lives for the rest of their lives. Sad situation compounded like everything else, by gossip

[boutons_deux]

The Four Men Responsible For America’s COVID-19 Test Disaster

The White House’s inability to track the disease

as it spread across the nation crippled the government’s response and

led to the worst disaster this country has faced in nearly a century

The government leaders who failed to safeguard the nation are

CDC Director Redfield;

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn;

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar;

and of course, President Trump.

Together, these men had the power to change the direction of this pandemic,

to lessen its impact on the economy, and

constrain the death toll from COVID-19.

Each failed, in a series of errors and mismanagement that grew into a singular catastrophe —

or as Jared Kushner described it on Fox & Friends, “a great success story.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/

[tholdren]

The Four Men Responsible For America’s COVID-19 Test Disaster

The White House’s inability to track the disease

as it spread across the nation crippled the government’s response and

led to the worst disaster this country has faced in nearly a century

The government leaders who failed to safeguard the nation are

CDC Director Redfield;

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn;

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar;

and of course, President Trump.

Together, these men had the power to change the direction of this pandemic,

to lessen its impact on the economy, and

constrain the death toll from COVID-19.

Each failed, in a series of errors and mismanagement that grew into a singular catastrophe —

or as Jared Kushner described it on Fox & Friends, “a great success story.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/


Too bad usa wasn't like all the other countries who prevented the virus from infecting anyone...

[clambake]

Yes. And the fact that they fail to take into consideration families who have lost jobs, may very well lead extremely rough lives for the rest of their lives. Sad situation compounded like everything else, by gossip

By gossip lol

[DMX7]

Everything really started with the botched testing and Trump's failure to isolate and lockdown the virus hot spots.

Trump keeps telling us that he had to shut down the country but it wasn't him who shut it down... the local leaders and governors had to take things into their own hands because he NEVER shut down anything. He had no plan other than to praise Xi and call it all a hoax. In fact, he would have done even less if the stock market hadn't cratered which he interprets as his real-time report card on the broader economy even though it's not.

[tholdren]

Everything really started with the botched testing and Trump's failure to isolate and lockdown the virus hot spots.

Trump keeps telling us that he had to shut down the country but it wasn't him who shut it down... the local leaders and governors had to take things into their own hands because he NEVER shut down anything. He had no plan other than to praise Xi and call it all a hoax. In fact, he would have done even less if the stock market hadn't cratered which he interprets as his real-time report card on the broader economy even though it's not.

Why no responsibility to people who gave or caught?

[clambake]

Why no responsibility for knowing about it and doing nothing?

[boutons_deux]

Everything really started with the botched testing and Trump's failure to isolate and lockdown the virus hot spots.



The Trash Pandemic Killing Fields had been prepared months before, when he and his man weakened or disbanded almost everybody in the Exec working on pandemic preparedness. Pandemic simulations had been running for years, including under shrub, when Trash not only ignored the latest reports showing huge holes in USA's pandemic preparedness, but he disband the group doing the simulations.

Trash ignored reports about the Chinese virus from US military and Americans at WHO/Geneva, ignored pandemic warning in many PDBs.

Trash the rejected 60K test kits offered by WHO while his CDC was producing garbage, useless test kits.

The Trash Pandemic, willful criminal negligent manslaughter.

[RandomGuy]

So how often would you test, minutely?

Depends on what the science says. It would not be a minute task, but rather a large one.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes. And the fact that they fail to take into consideration families who have lost jobs, may very well lead extremely rough lives for the rest of their lives. Sad situation compounded like everything else, by gossipHow does the virus spread according to you?

[RandomGuy]

This plan seems like you think you can eradicate the virus, which at this point is not possible. Nor do any of these people on the testing kick have a plan for when to test. These are all reactive plans with testing anyway.

No. You can reduce the spread of the virus to lower than the replacement level, giving health systems a chance to not be overwhelmed, and for science to find treatments and develop a vaccine.

Testing can actively be pro-active when combined with contact tracing, as South Africa actively did, and they contained their outbreak rather well.

Testing gives you better data on where the virus is, or is not.

(shrugs)

I simply am following the recommendations of the epidemiologists. Let the experts formulate the plan, and follow that.

[boutons_deux]

Ron DeSantis’ response to the coronavirus crisis is tanking his popularity in Florida: analysis



https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Ron-DeSantis.jpg

While some Republican governors have aggressively promoted social distancing measures in their states —

most notably, Maryland’s Larry Hogan and Ohio’s Mike DeWine —

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was much slower to close non-essential businesses and

has taken the Trumpian view that Florida’s economy should reopen sooner rather than later.

And reporter Steve Contorno, in the Tampa Bay Times (https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/05/13/why-is-ron-desantis-not-getting-as-much-love-as-other-governors-the-florida-insiders-have-some-ideas/), stresses that DeSantis’ popularity is suffering because of it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/ron-desantis-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis-is-tanking-his-popularity-in-florida-analysis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4521

[tholdren]

Why no responsibility for knowing about it and doing nothing?

So no one is responsible but donald trump. Got it

[tholdren]

No. You can reduce the spread of the virus to lower than the replacement level, giving health systems a chance to not be overwhelmed, and for science to find treatments and develop a vaccine.

Testing can actively be pro-active when combined with contact tracing, as South Africa actively did, and they contained their outbreak rather well.

Testing gives you better data on where the virus is, or is not.

(shrugs)

I simply am following the recommendations of the epidemiologists. Let the experts formulate the plan, and follow that.

or its out there and no one is being tested for it.

[boutons_deux]

McConnell claims Obama didn't leave Trump a pandemic 'game plan.'

Obama very literally did

“Clearly the Obama administration did not leave to this administration, any kind of game plan for something like this,”

The Obama administration literally left the Trump administration a literal pandemic playbook (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/26/1931425/-Trump-team-ignored-a-2016-pandemic-playbook-that-warned-about-testing-and-protective-equipment),

complete with warnings about the need for testing and personal protective equipment and

instructions for coordinated response.

The Obama administration also left a pandemic early warning program (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/3/1933917/-Trump-canceled-pandemic-early-warning-program-designed-to-find-threats-exactly-like-COVID-19) that Trump canceled last fall.

And the Obama administrationheld a pandemic training exercise (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/17/1928402/-How-the-Obama-administration-tried-to-save-us-from-what-Trump-is-doing-right-now) during the transition to help prepare the incoming Trump administration.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/12/1944517/-McConnell-claims-Obama-didn-t-leave-Trump-a-pandemic-game-plan-Obama-very-literally-did?detail=emaildkre

Assume Moscow Mitch's LIE isn't, and that Obama Exec did not prep Trash's disorganzied mob about pandemics.

THEN!

What has Trash been doing for 3 years to fill the supposed hole that Obama left to Trash?

Trash made USA's pandemic prep MUCH WORSE. The Trash Pandemic is Trash-made.

Impeached, FOREVER

Trash Pandemic, FOREVER

[tholdren]

The Trash Pandemic Killing Fields had been prepared months before, when he and his man weakened or disbanded almost everybody in the Exec working on pandemic preparedness. Pandemic simulations had been running for years, including under shrub, when Trash not only ignored the latest reports showing huge holes in USA's pandemic preparedness, but he disband the group doing the simulations.

Trash ignored reports about the Chinese virus from US military and Americans at WHO/Geneva, ignored pandemic warning in many PDBs.

Trash the rejected 60K test kits offered by WHO while his CDC was producing garbage, useless test kits.

The Trash Pandemic, willful criminal negligent manslaughter.



Why not blame wet markets?

[ChumpDumper]

Why not blame wet markets?How does the virus spread according to you?

[boutons_deux]

The perpetrator of the Trash-made Trump Pandemic LIES

Trump boasts that the COVID-19 pandemic proved ‘Trump was right’ despite ‘the death’ :lol

on Thursday took an apparent victory lap :lol

because the COVID-19 pandemic supposedly showed that he has been right all along about trade with China. :lol

Trump boasted that the pandemic, as horrible as it has been, has had

the upside of proving him right about the need to bring manufacturing back to the United States. :lol ain't gonna happen

“There’s nothing good about the plague, okay? :lol it's pandemic, you ignorant asshole

Especially the death. :lol

But the one thing is, it said Trump was right.” :lol 3rd Person? We Are Not Amused :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-boasts-that-the-covid-19-pandemic-proved-trump-was-right-despite-the-death/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4527 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-boasts-that-the-covid-19-pandemic-proved-trump-was-right-despite-the-death/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4527)

C19 didn't arrive in USA on products imported from USA

btw, Trash's racist "Reality Show" ban on Chinese tech is actually ridden with exemptions.

[DMC]

So no one is responsible but donald trump. Got it

They also think the POTUS controls state decisions but somehow cannot enforce immigration policy.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260938381254701060?s=19

If this happens I guarantee you President Biden will do the same to 45* :lol

* denotes a stolen election. Presidency deserves an asterisk

[boutons_deux]

"Why not blame wet markets?" :lol

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[Spurs Homer]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260938381254701060?s=19

If this happens I guarantee you President Biden will do the same to 45* :lol

* denotes a stolen election. Presidency deserves an asterisk


It would be fucking awesome if Obama was forced to testify....

I can already hear Obama - articulating - under oath:

”So the FBI alerted us and provided classified evidence that the Russians had approached several of the Trump team members trying to assist the Trump team in an American election. The evidence revealed conclusively that trump team members were very receptive to these russian advances. The FBI had already warned both the HRC and the Trump campaign to report ANY contacts from ANY foreign contacts- but trump team never reported these contacts.
Once we heard trump publicly ask russia to hack into an american citizens email account- the FBI informed us that they would follow protocol and open a counter-intelligence investigation to protect the USA from any possible Russian illicit advances and the trump teams cooperation and complicity....”

[LkrFan]

It would be fucking awesome if Obama was forced to testify....

I can already hear Obama - articulating - under oath:

”So the FBI alerted us and provided classified evidence that the Russians had approached several of the Trump team members trying to assist the Trump team in an American election. The evidence revealed conclusively that trump team members were very receptive to these russian advances. The FBI had already warned both the HRC and the Trump campaign to report ANY contacts from ANY foreign contacts- but trump team never reported these contacts.
Once we heard trump publicly ask russia to hack into an american citizens email account- the FBI informed us that they would follow protocol and open a counter-intelligence investigation to protect the USA from any possible Russian illicit advances and the trump teams cooperation and complicity....”
https://media.tenor.com/images/f134caf5b9dc20579578105a59ce1daa/tenor.gif

FIFY :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

FIFY :lmao


:lol:lol


GOP henchman: “President Obama- why did you SPY on trump team?”


Obama: “To be perfectly clear- we had no idea who was attacking and trying to destroy the USA - russians or trump team traitors? How would anyone know? Look at the damage today- and you can conclude- the russians probably left in 2017- but trump team is still here and the USA is half-way destroyed already- so you tell me- who did more damage- Russians or Trump team traitors?”

[BSfromTX]

It amazes me how much TGY gets slammed for conspiracy theories, when most in here caught up in the two party debate throw out conspiracy after conspiracy from the left and right supported by corporate media at that.

[boutons_deux]

It amazes me how much TGY gets slammed for conspiracy theories, when most in here caught up in the two party debate throw out conspiracy after conspiracy from the left and right supported by corporate media at that.

what are the conspiracy theories from the left?

[RandomGuy]

So no one is responsible but donald trump. Got it

No. Plenty of responsibility to go around.

Trump is in charge of the federal executive branch. He has been spending his time tweeting and golfing instead of working.

The task force put together by his nepotism hire, Kushner, is laughably amatuer and has no fucking clue about what they are doing.

It shows. That is what he is responsible for, especially not gearing up testing capacity, and still no contact tracing to any meaningful degree.

[RandomGuy]

[strawman]

[amusement]

[RandomGuy]

Why not blame wet markets?

wet markets are not in charge of the US federal response. This is a really really really dumb question.

[ChumpDumper]

Why didn't the wet market just wash its hands?

[LkrFan]

:lol:lol


GOP henchman: “President Obama- why did you SPY on trump team?”


Obama: “To be perfectly clear- we had no idea who was attacking and trying to destroy the USA - russians or trump team traitors? How would anyone know? Look at the damage today- and you can conclude- the russians probably left in 2017- but trump team is still here and the USA is half-way destroyed already- so you tell me- who did more damage- Russians or Trump team traitors?”

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[boutons_deux]

wet markets are not in charge of the US federal response. This is a really really really dumb question.

It's not only the RESPONSE by Trash and his politicized, anti-expert, anti-science Exec.

Months before C19 was active, Trash had gutted his so-called government's preparation for pandemics.

And of course, Trash's continued MISgovernance, eg pushing hard to re-open, continues to sicken and kill 1000s of Americans.

Who is the "C19 Pandemic Czar"? Is there one?

[RandomGuy]

It's not only the RESPONSE by Trash and his politicized, anti-expert, anti-science Exec.

Months before C19 was active, Trash had gutted his so-called government's preparation for pandemics.

And of course, Trash's continued MISgovernance, eg pushing hard to re-open, continues to sicken and kill 1000s of Americans.

Who is the "C19 Pandemic Czar"? Is there one?



https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/pence-coronavirus-mask-4-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1024

The "Czar" is in this picture.

Anyone care to guess who is in charge of the task force? anyone? anyone?

I would laugh, but this is too pathetically, tragically, fucking stupid and deadly. :grim

[Spurs Homer]

It's not only the RESPONSE by Trash and his politicized, anti-expert, anti-science Exec.

Months before C19 was active, Trash had gutted his so-called government's preparation for pandemics.

And of course, Trash's continued MISgovernance, eg pushing hard to re-open, continues to sicken and kill 1000s of Americans.

Who is the "C19 Pandemic Czar"? Is there one?




there is no Czar-

there is Mike Pence - and you can find him if you dig deep enough into Trumps rectum

pence is there as a FILTER

a FILTER from the scientists who are desperately trying to save lives and give their best expertise to save lives-


but Pence has to take that expertise


and FILTER it and dilute enough - so that his cult daddy boss - will refrain from throwing a temper tantrum

Pence will take that expertise and FILTER it ...and lets say the UNdiluted expertise will save 10000 lives but also cause Trump to throw a tantrum

Pence then dilutes it - FILTERS it

so that ZERO lives are saved


but Trump refrains from throwing a tantrum


yay pence!

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260938381254701060?s=19

If this happens I guarantee you President Biden will do the same to 45* :lol

* denotes a stolen election. Presidency deserves an asterisk
also

*impeached

[DMC]

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/pence-coronavirus-mask-4-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1024

The "Czar" is in this picture.

Anyone care to guess who is in charge of the task force? anyone? anyone?

I would laugh, but this is too pathetically, tragically, fucking stupid and deadly. :grim

The one who knows the mask is a placebo and fucking pointless?

[DMC]

also

*impeached

Also, POTUS still

[Medvedenko]

Oh man did you see Trump et al talk in front of that chopper. Kayleigh shows off the TRUMP pandemic plan authored last august lolol, showing Obama's plan in paper with a bunch of revisions and then showing the TRUMP plan all professionally done. WTF, so hilarious. Does he ask his team to publicly kiss his ass each day?

[LkrFan]

also

*impeached

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

also

*impeached

*stolen
**impeached

Gotta get the foot notes right.

[spurraider21]

*stolen
**impeached

Gotta get the foot notes right.
i dont buy "stolen"

[boutons_deux]

For John Bolton, No Bad Deed Goes Unrewarded $50K/speech

And most vulnerable among us are forced to pay the price.

https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/views-article/bolton_8_0.jpeg?itok=cVOd5Kt9

"When the next pandemic occurs (and make no mistake, it will) and

the federal government is unable to respond in a coordinated and effective fashion to protect the lives of US citizens and others,

this decision by John Bolton and Donald Trump will be why."

—Tweet by Stephen Schwartz, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, May 10, 2018

Republicans who in 2014 denounced Obama for failing to respond in a cohesive, aggressive way to the Ebola epidemic.

“I’d like to know who’s in charge," asked Sen. John McCain (https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-because-of-the-nra-20141012-column.html), calling for a czar (https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-because-of-the-nra-20141012-column.html) to oversee this critical work.

And so, in 2015, Obama created a permanent Directorate within the National Security Council

to prevent future disease outbreaks from escalating into pandemics.

Imagine. A president who accepts and acts on criticism.

Imagine. A professionally led, highest level directorate.

this Directorate would be,

"…responsible for coordinating the efforts of multiple federal agencies

to make sure the government was backstopping testing capacity,

devising approaches to manufacture and

avoid shortages of personal protective equipment,

strengthening U.S. lab capacity to process covid-19 tests,

and expanding the health-care workforce."

Imagine.

It should be said that despite his desire to cut funding for public health efforts (see "many fathers" above), Trump retained this respected directorate through 2017.

In 2018, though, he made John Bolton his national security advisor.

Bolton didn't waste any time.

As Jeremy Konyndyk, former Director of USAID’s Office of US Foreign Disaster Assistance put it,

"Bolton’s chosen approach to NSC “streamlining” involved

decapitating and diluting the White House’s focus on pandemic threats.

He eliminated the Senior Director position entirely,

closed the biodefense directorate, and

spread the remaining staff across other parts of the NSC.

That’s the opposite of streamlining.

Instead of giving the issue a distinct institutional presence, expertise, and voice in the policy process,

Bolton’s reorganization left it fragmented across other directorates that were focused on other higher priorities."

Expressing concern about our readiness for a pandemic, Elizabeth Warren quickly requested a staff-level briefing on the administration's global public health works.

But she said, "We got sort of a generic reply. We didn't get the briefing."

Even the past master of understatement, Anthony Fauci, gamely told a congressional hearing,

“It would be nice if the office was still there. We worked very well with that office.”

Wouldn't it be "nice" if John Bolton were to donate the entirety of his standard $50,000 speaking fee to a group like the Material Aid and Advocacy Program?

We continue to pay for what he's done.
Why pay him?

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/05/15/john-bolton-no-bad-deed-goes-unrewarded (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/05/15/john-bolton-no-bad-deed-goes-unrewarded)

[Spurs Homer]

This has to be bumped to continue to expose this failure and negligent homicide of americans...


as we hit 90,000 dead.



Ninety-Fucking thousand dead due to a complete lack of a plan by the fraudulently elected illegitimate traitor.

[RandomGuy]

The one who knows the mask is a placebo and fucking pointless?

CDC Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Face Masks in Public
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/cdc-face-masks-public.html

How often does the CDC recommend placebos?

[tholdren]

CDC Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Face Masks in Public
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/cdc-face-masks-public.html

How often does the CDC recommend placebos?
No way for them to walk anything back now. Didn't they say in the first place to not wear masks, then too wear masks? didn't they use faulty tests at the beginning? Didn't they compare this and still do to the Spanish flu? Didn't they also say all hospitals would be overrun?

Its a crazy situation, and to this point no one has gotten it right, from the govt to the cdc and to the individuals spreading or being infected. Everyone plays a part.

[DMC]

CDC Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Face Masks in Public
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/cdc-face-masks-public.html

How often does the CDC recommend placebos?

This is after they said no one should be wearing masks unless you are a healthcare provider or you have the illness.

They bowed to pressure. The CDC doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.

It's not like the CDC didn't have a stance on it before and yes, they knew then that some people would have no symptoms, but the point was that the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.

[ChumpDumper]

This is after they said no one should be wearing masks unless you are a healthcare provider or you have the illness.

They bowed to pressure. The CDC doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.

It's not like the CDC didn't have a stance on it before and yes, they knew then that some people would have no symptoms, but the point was that the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.Why do you expect the CDC to know everything about a new virus right off the bat?

Explain.

And be specific. You act like you know more than the CDC so lets see something other than subject changes and trying to make it about individual posters or random groups you want to rant about.

[DMC]

Why do you expect the CDC to know everything about a new virus right off the bat?

Explain.

And be specific. You act like you know more than the CDC so lets see something other than subject changes and trying to make it about individual posters or random groups you want to rant about.

Two possible scenarios (maybe more but 2 for now)

1. CDC was correct, masks are not needed but bowed to political pressure to walk back their statement in "light of new information".
2. CDC actively advised against a higher level of protection when they did not have the full picture.

2 doesn't make sense. They don't walk into a room with a virus they don't understand with anything less than full PPE. Once they begin to understand the virus, the PPE can be altered. You don't go up on PPE requirements, you go down. Not knowing = use as much caution as possible.

But assume 2 is true. That makes the CDC not only incompetent, but also dangerous.

I don't need to know more than the CDC to understand they didn't use the right precautions if they indeed do think people should wear masks now. They were even telling travelers to not wear masks.

[DMC]

No way for them to walk anything back now. Didn't they say in the first place to not wear masks, then too wear masks? didn't they use faulty tests at the beginning? Didn't they compare this and still do to the Spanish flu? Didn't they also say all hospitals would be overrun?

Its a crazy situation, and to this point no one has gotten it right, from the govt to the cdc and to the individuals spreading or being infected. Everyone plays a part.

No. Trump killed everyone with his bare hands. Cuomo tried to stop him.

[ChumpDumper]

Two possible scenarios (maybe more but 2 for now)

1. CDC was correct, masks are not needed but bowed to political pressure to walk back their statement in "light of new information".
2. CDC actively advised against a higher level of protection when they did not have the full picture.

2 doesn't make sense. They don't walk into a room with a virus they don't understand with anything less than full PPE. Once they begin to understand the virus, the PPE can be altered. You don't go up on PPE requirements, you go down. Not knowing = use as much caution as possible.Did they recommend masks during the H1N1 pandemic? They're both viruses so regular masks make little difference as far as protecting the wearer from the virus, which you probably already said.

[tholdren]

No. Plenty of responsibility to go around.

Trump is in charge of the federal executive branch. He has been spending his time tweeting and golfing instead of working.

The task force put together by his nepotism hire, Kushner, is laughably amatuer and has no fucking clue about what they are doing.

It shows. That is what he is responsible for, especially not gearing up testing capacity, and still no contact tracing to any meaningful degree.
No personal accoutabilty?

[tholdren]

Did they recommend masks during the H1N1 pandemic? They're both viruses so regular masks make little difference as far as protecting the wearer from the virus, which you probably already said.

Furguson predicted 250 million deaths for h1n1. What were there 9?

[ChumpDumper]

Furguson predicted 250 million deaths for h1n1. What were there 9?:lol changing the subject again.

You have a question pending.

According to you, how does the virus spread?

[DMC]

Did they recommend masks during the H1N1 pandemic? They're both viruses so regular masks make little difference as far as protecting the wearer from the virus, which you probably already said.

This seems like a red herring. Instead of playing 1000 questions and "go fetch shit I already read", talk like a normal person.

But what I think you're alluding to is "they've always done it that way" which is a fallacious argument.

[tholdren]

:lol changing the subject again.

You have a question pending.

According to you, how does the virus spread?
Did you hide with this prediction? Or did lockdow n and mitigation take the death toll from 2.5 mil to a hundred.

[ChumpDumper]

This seems like a red herring. Instead of playing 1000 questions and "go fetch shit I already read", talk like a normal person.Not a red herring. You're acting like the CDC would recommend masks right off the bat. Stands to reason they would have done just that during the H1N1 pandemic, especially before the vaccine came out.

You'll have to explain why they didn't and what's different now. It's your claim. Up to you to make it fit the actual events.

[tholdren]

Not a red herring. You're acting like the CDC would recommend masks right off the bat. Stands to reason they would have done just that during the H1N1 pandemic, especially before the vaccine came out.

You'll have to explain why they didn't and what's different now. It's your claim. Up to you to make it fit the actual events.
Lol you are so out of your lane. Bwahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

Did you hide with this prediction? Or did lockdow n and mitigation take the death toll from 2.5 mil to a hundred.:lol changing the subject again.

You have a question pending.

According to you, how does the virus spread?

Just find the courage to answer. I'm not biting on your deflection tactics.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you are so out of your lane. Bwahahaha:lol You can't even say how the virus is spread.

[DMC]

Not a red herring. You're acting like the CDC would recommend masks right off the bat. Stands to reason they would have done just that during the H1N1 pandemic, especially before the vaccine came out.

You'll have to explain why they didn't and what's different now. It's your claim. Up to you to make it fit the actual events.

I'm not acting like anything. I said what the CDC did. I didn't say what they have a history of doing. Also, you're changing the narrative from "recommend against" to "didn't recommend". Don't get onto a whole other reality. The fact is the CDC recommended against wearing masks. Had they stayed mum on it, that would have been quite different.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-cdc-says-americans-dont-have-to-wear-facemasks-because-of-coronavirus-2020-01-30

Published on March 2nd.

Though health officials have warned Americans to prepare for the spread of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., people shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent the spread of the infectious illness, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. surgeon general.

But that’s not the only reason Americans may want to think twice about using masks, one expert told MarketWatch.

Most people don’t know how to use face masks correctly, and a rush to buy masks could prevent the people who need them most — health care providers — from getting them, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!,” wrote Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Twitter TWTR, +1.54%


So perhaps telling people to not wear masks led to the deaths of thousands of people who would otherwise still be alive. We don't know, but there's no reason to not use an abundance of caution with a virus you don't understand. This is the same virus that the WHO said wasn't transmissible between humans.
Maybe stop issuing statements if you don't know. You seem to get that when it comes to Trump, but ignore it elsewhere.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not acting like anything. I said what the CDC did. I didn't say what they have a history of doing. Also, you're changing the narrative from "recommend against" to "didn't recommend". Don't get onto a whole other reality. The fact is the CDC recommended against wearing masks. Had they stayed mum on it, that would have been quite different.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-cdc-says-americans-dont-have-to-wear-facemasks-because-of-coronavirus-2020-01-30

Published on March 2nd.

Though health officials have warned Americans to prepare for the spread of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., people shouldn’t wear face masks to prevent the spread of the infectious illness, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. surgeon general.

But that’s not the only reason Americans may want to think twice about using masks, one expert told MarketWatch.

Most people don’t know how to use face masks correctly, and a rush to buy masks could prevent the people who need them most — health care providers — from getting them, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

In fact the U.S. surgeon general recently urged the public to “STOP BUYING MASKS!” “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!,” wrote Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Twitter TWTR, +1.54%Looks like you answered your own question why they recommended against buying masks-- the shortage of masks.

That also explains why they didn't say the same during the H1N1 pandemic. Good job.:tu

[DMC]

:Looks like you answered your own question why they recommended against masks-- the shortage of masks.

That also explains why they didn't say the same during the H1N1 pandemic. Good job.:tu

There are still no N95 masks for the public. People are using cloth. So it's ok to allow people to continue to socialize and travel sans masks then, but not now?

This is my whole point. The masks are placebos, at least the ones the public wears.

But you always have some underhanded troll working. It's who you are.

[ChumpDumper]

There are still no N95 masks for the public. People are using cloth. So it's ok to allow people to continue to socialize and travel sans masks then, but not now?

This is my whole point. The masks are placebos, at least the ones the public wears.They catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times. Were you not aware of this?

[DMC]

They catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times. Were you not aware of this?

Obviously the CDC wasn't aware of it because it advised against wearing them for prevention of the spread of the virus. Pretty sure hospitals aren't running to Home Depot and Amazon to buy face masks for their employees. The public was not going to cause a shortage of actual suitable PPE.

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously the CDC wasn't aware of it because it advised against wearing them for prevention of the spread of the virus. Pretty sure hospitals aren't running to Home Depot and Amazon to buy face masks for their employees. The public was not going to cause a shortage of actual suitable PPE.No, I'm asking you what you're aware of. The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?

[DMC]

No, I'm asking you what you're aware of. The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?


Why do you expect the CDC to know everything about a new virus right off the bat?

Explain.

And be specific. You act like you know more than the CDC so lets see something other than subject changes and trying to make it about individual posters or random groups you want to rant about.

Is it about me now? Because I thought this was about the CDC.

[ChumpDumper]

Is it about me now? Because I thought this was about the CDC.I've been asking about your knowledge of the CDC and mask policy all along. You were doing OK not changing the subject so I think you can maintain if you focus.

The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?

[DMC]

I've been asking about your knowledge of the CDC and mask policy all along. You were doing OK not changing the subject so I think you can maintain if you focus.

The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?

I've already made my point. You gave up several posts back and are now in your "pending question" schtick.

The bottom line is the CDC endangered lives OR they are playing politics and masks are placebos.

I know more about the CDC than you. That's all you need to know about it.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already made my point. You gave up several posts back and are now in your "pending question" schtick.

The bottom line is the CDC endangered lives OR they are playing politics and masks are placebos.

I know more about the CDC than you. That's all you need to know about it.You displayed apparent ignorance of the CDC's current recommendation for masks.

That's why I'm asking you to make your knowledge level clear.

The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?

If you weren't, you clearly know less about the CDC mask policy than I do.

[ducks]

I have a n95 mask came with my gun hoster

[DMC]

You displayed apparent ignorance of the CDC's current recommendation for masks.

That's why I'm asking you to make your knowledge level clear.

The masks catch at least some of the droplets produced by the mask wearer depending on the material and layering. This has been tested several times.

Were you not aware of this?

If you weren't, you clearly know less about the CDC mask policy than I do.

I know their policy. They didn't feel it was significant at the beginning of March. It wasn't their policy then.

[ChumpDumper]

I know their policy. They didn't feel it was significant at the beginning of March. It wasn't their policy then.You just deliberately omitted that part of the policy or you forgot it or you lied about knowing it.

[DMC]

You just deliberately omitted that part of the policy or you forgot it or you lied about knowing it.

Cool story

Additionally, while the EUA today can help increase the availability of certain NIOSH-approved respirators to health care personnel, this EUA does not apply to the public, who should not wear these respirators to protect against COVID-19. There is no added health benefit to the general American public to wear a respiratory protective device (such as an N95 respirator). The immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low. The CDC recommends everyday preventive actions, such as hand washing, to help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-and-cdc-take-action-increase-access-respirators-including-n95s

So an actual N95 adds no benefit but a piece of cloth does?

Yeah.. that

[ChumpDumper]

Cool story

Additionally, while the EUA today can help increase the availability of certain NIOSH-approved respirators to health care personnel, this EUA does not apply to the public, who should not wear these respirators to protect against COVID-19. There is no added health benefit to the general American public to wear a respiratory protective device (such as an N95 respirator). The immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low. The CDC recommends everyday preventive actions, such as hand washing, to help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-and-cdc-take-action-increase-access-respirators-including-n95sYeah, you keep talking about that aspect and not the one you omitted or forgot.

[DMC]

Yeah, you keep talking about that aspect and not the one you omitted or forgot.

I haven't omitted anything. The CDC recommended against wearing masks. Droplets existed then, they knew it, but they considered the risk low enough to not only warrant not recommending a mask, but they went further to recommend against it.

This is the bur in your saddle. You'll have to live with it.

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't omitted anything.Of course you have. You continue to omit it. If you can prove they knew about the extent of droplet transmission before March 2 and all those tests and experiments were done that led to the latest policy you'd probably have a point. We both know you can't.

Their guidance regarding the protection of person wearing the mask hasn't changed. Thanks for pointing that out too. You're making this all very easy for me.:tu

[DMC]

Of course you have. You continue to omit it. If you can prove they knew about the extent of droplet transmission before March 2 and all those tests and experiments were done that led to the latest policy you'd probably have a point. We both know you can't.

Their guidance regarding the protection of person wearing the mask hasn't changed. Thanks for pointing that out too. You're making this all very easy for me.:tu

I covered this already. You were obviously too busy typing your pre-planned response to actually read it.

They didn't know about it, but they gave recommendations that people not take precautions. In fluid situations when dealing with mostly unknown aspects, you don't throw caution to the wind and advise people to not take precautions. As I said (several times already), had they not commented on whether or not you should wear a mask, that would be different. They could even say they don't have enough data to show wearing a mask is beneficial. Instead, they recommend against it. When the CDC recommends against wearing a mask, then obviously a lot of people didn't wear a mask. Many of those people could be dead today.

Why you keep skirting this fact is still a mystery. I'll let the forum decide, but I'm done repeating the same thing to you as you try to change the narrative to something you can control.

[ChumpDumper]

I covered this already. You were obviously too busy typing your pre-planned response to actually read it.

They didn't know about it, but they gave recommendations that people not take precautions. In fluid situations when dealing with mostly unknown aspects, you don't throw caution to the wind and advise people to not take precautions.They knew there was a mask shortage this time around.

And your little theory somehow doesn't apply to H1N1 because they didn't call for full precautions before the vaccine was available.

You're the one being inconsistent.

Not the CDC.

You admitted to omitting half of their mask policy.

They never did such a thing.

[tholdren]

They knew there was a mask shortage this time around.

And your little theory somehow doesn't apply to H1N1 because they didn't call for full precautions before the vaccine was available.

You're the one being inconsistent.

Not the CDC.

You admitted to omitting half of their mask policy.

They never did such a thing.

Lol

[ChumpDumper]

:cryAccording to you, how is the virus spread?

[tholdren]

According to you, how is the virus spread?

my bff when can we meet up?

[ChumpDumper]

my bff when can we meet up?When can you explain how you think the virus spreads?

Are you able?

[Spurs Homer]

To get a grasp on how big this corona fuckup by trump is, just think about this;


Trump has fired 4 IG’s to cover up his crimes in the last month alone and that raping of the republican “precious constitution”


did not even crack the news or cause any threads to be started on a criminal getting rid of those who might investigate him.


THAT is how huge of a fuckup this rona bunglefuck is.

[boutons_deux]

Trash and Barr, having blocked ALL Congressional oversight, would have fired the IGs even without the cover of the Trash-made Trash Pandemic

[RandomGuy]

No personal accoutabilty?

Trump does not appear to have any sense of that. It is always someone else's fault. This is picked up by the right-wing media machine, and amplified.

[RandomGuy]

the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.

Link?

Seems like a pretty definitive take. I would assume you have read some decent information to able to make this claim.

[TSA]

Link?

Seems like a pretty definitive take. I would assume you have read some decent information to able to make this claim.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

[TSA]

Link?

Seems like a pretty definitive take. I would assume you have read some decent information to able to make this claim.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-dataSurgical masks likely have some utility as source control (meaning the wearer limits virus dispersal to another person) from a symptomatic patient in a healthcare setting to stop the spread of large cough particles and limit the lateral dispersion of cough particles. They may also have very limited utility as source control or PPE in households.

Oh.

[ChumpDumper]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_articleInfluenza

Oh.

[RandomGuy]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article


The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies . 9 and 10


What 9 says:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=20088690&dopt=Abstract
Mask use, hand hygiene, and seasonal influenza-like illness among young adults: a randomized intervention trial.

CONCLUSIONS:
These findings suggest that face masks and hand hygiene may reduce respiratory illnesses in shared living settings and mitigate the impact of the influenza A(H1N1) pandemic.



Also noted: Transmittal varies between diseases. We don't know enough.

Seems like your basis is on one sentence in one meta-analysis where the underlying research actively refutes your "placebo" statement, with an added layer of "we aren't certain" on top of it.

[tholdren]

Influenza

Oh.

which is covid more like, the spanish flu or seasonal flu?

[clambake]

Covid is just like covid

Way way back in November

[ChumpDumper]

which is covid more like, the spanish flu or seasonal flu?:lol you try to change the subject every single time.

According to you, how is the coronavirus spread?

[tholdren]

:lol you try to change the subject every single time.

According to you, how is the coronavirus spread?
Seasonal flu you say?

[ChumpDumper]

Seasonal flu you say?You're trying to change the subject again.

According to you, how is the coronavirus spread?

[tholdren]

You're trying to change the subject again.

According to you, how is the coronavirus spread?

If you agreed its like the seasonal flu why are you using Spanish flu rhetoric?

[DMC]

Covid is just like covid

Way way back in November

Fantastic contribution from you. Run off and find some fat jokes.

[DMC]

If you agreed its like the seasonal flu why are you using Spanish flu rhetoric?

Because he's Little Miss can't be wrong

[ChumpDumper]

If you agreed its like the seasonal flu why are you using Spanish flu rhetoric?You're lying again to add to your attempted subject change. So sad I've reduced you to this, but it's your fault.

According to you, how is the coronavirus spread?

[ChumpDumper]

Because he's Little Miss can't be wrongYou got caught trying to bullshit. Sorry. Just be honest next time.

[tholdren]

You got caught trying to bullshit. Sorry. Just be honest next time.

nope he's right.

[clambake]

Fantastic contribution from you. Run off and find some fat jokes.

Found one

Thanks for providing evidence, fatty

[ChumpDumper]

nope he's right.Nah, you just need a friend.

According to you, how is the virus spread?

[RandomGuy]

Fantastic contribution from you. Run off and find some fat jokes.

Still waiting on you to provide any support for your "masks are just placebo" take.

Wow me with your fantastic contribution.

Or just keep being a lazy shit. I don't expect much.

[DMC]

Still waiting on you to provide any support for your "masks are just placebo" take.

Wow me with your fantastic contribution.

Or just keep being a lazy shit. I don't expect much.

Dr Chris Smith, consultant virologist at Cambridge University, told RNZ people should not buy them and instead save their money.

"Go and spend it on something useful that you enjoy doing, like having a beer. Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing."

"Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing" - consultant virologist Dr Chris Smith

However, he did say they had a placebo effect.

"They make you feel better, that you've done something, and they also have the effect of warning you to stay away from someone who's wearing one."

He said whether a virus could get through a face mask depended on the type of mask.

"The ones we're talking about, that you go and buy off a street vendor and you wear on the underground or tram or on the streets - those are absolutely useless. If you are in hospital and you are fit-tested for a proper prophylactic mask, those do work. And the reason they work is they form a proper seal around your face and around you nose and mouth and you also wear eye protection, and they also have very stringent filtering as well.

"The ones that you buy on the street that are cheap and nasty ... there are big gaps around the sides of your face and every time you cough and sneeze it just comes flying out the side.

"Also they dampen, so as you breathe they get damp and that dampness just makes a nice conduit through for the virus particles."

However, speaking at press briefing today New Zealand's director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said it was appropriate to wear a mask.

"I think people should wear masks if they feel that that is protecting them and/or if they feel they may be harbouring symptoms of any illness, whether it's a common cold or influenza, and that's an individual decision.

RNZ.com

[DMC]

So if you feel it's protecting you should wear it. That's exactly what a placebo is.

:lmao

Cue avalanche of questions and nay saying from the usual shit posters.

[DMC]

Public wearing masks: 'It's cosmetic, it's not effective'

But Smith is adamant masks do not help protect people from catching the illness.

There's been conflicting advice on the use of masks, with many medical experts saying they do nothing, yet the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued guidance to the public to use them.

Smith said wearing masks was a societal thing - evidence showed they didn't help.

"One possible kernel of truth, and this might be in the same way that we could sneeze into a hanky and mitigate the spread of it, if you've got a face mask on and you're symptomatic and you cough on somebody it will probably reduce the amount of virus you deluge them in. So that may make a difference, but for the average passive wearer who's not ill, probably no benefit."

While the virus is propelled through the air if an infected person coughed or sneezed, it may also be spread just through someone breathing near someone else.

"But the key thing is not whether or not that's true, it's whether or not I then put a piece of material over my face, which quickly gets damp, which has got gaps around the side and doesn't fit my face properly, and quite quickly all the particles that land in the front work their way through the dampness and then into me - that's the question, and that's what I am disputing is any benefit.

"Now I'll hold my hands up, if someone can show me the evidence this cuts down infection rates then I'll reverse my position, but I'm going by the evidence presented at the moment by people who know a lot more about this than me who have told me there is no evidence at the moment to support widescale adoption of this practice - it's cosmetic, it's not effective."

Smith said masks used in hospitals were on a different level to what the public used, and medical masks excluded particles smaller than the virus - on the way in and out.

Masks could also give a false sense of security, he said, because even if a person is wearing a mask, the virus can enter through your eyes as the eyes are connected to the nose through the tear duct.

"Anything that lands on your eyes ... they then drain down into the nose and they can find the tissues they want to infect down there too, so you must protect your eyes too."

Social distancing and washing your hands offered far more protection than wearing masks, he said.

As for the risk of animals catching the virus and passing it on, Smith said there were a lot of unanswered questions and he believed there would be a lot of research going on in this area.

In one case in Hong Kong it was believed somebody who had the virus gave it to their dog, but the dog had such a low level it was probably below the infectious dose.

RNZ

[ChumpDumper]

So if you feel it's protecting you should wear it. That's exactly what a placebo is.

:lmao

Cue avalanche of questions and nay saying from the usual shit posters.

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2)

[DMC]

Found one

Thanks for providing evidence, fatty

Offer still stands.. 5K if I am over 200lbs. Surely you wouldn't turn down free money.

chop chop

[DMC]

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2)
From link

Abstract
We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.


This is after they said no one should be wearing masks unless you are a healthcare provider or you have the illness.

They bowed to pressure. The CDC doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.

It's not like the CDC didn't have a stance on it before and yes, they knew then that some people would have no symptoms, but the point was that the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.

Bet you thought you had something.

https://www.thebeijinger.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/surgicalmask.jpg

Surgical mask

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61HCRtnGYWL._AC_SX522_.jpg

Not a surgical mask


So you have symptomatic people with acute respiratory illness wearing surgical masks, and you want to use that to prove a piece of cloth with rubber bands on someone without symptoms is effective at preventing the spread of COV-19.

Why am I not surprised?

[ChumpDumper]

From link

Abstract
We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.



Bet you thought you had something.

https://www.thebeijinger.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/surgicalmask.jpg

Surgical mask

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61HCRtnGYWL._AC_SX522_.jpg

Not a surgical mask


So you have symptomatic people with acute respiratory illness wearing surgical masks, and you want to use that to prove a piece of cloth with rubber bands on someone without symptoms is effective at preventing the spread of COV-19.

Why am I not surprised?So you're going to move your goalpost from "no mask is effective" to "well surgical masks are effective but I don't want to talk about those."

And you're still going on with the straw man that everyone is claiming masks are protecting the wearer from getting the virus.

Looks like I do have something here.

You are not an honest broker. You went doctor shopping to confirm your bias and you're building the same straw man over and over and over again.

Why do you actively strive to be dishonest? It's OK for you to be wrong. It's not the first time.

[DMC]

So you're going to move your goalpost from "no mask is effective" to "well surgical masks are effective but I don't want to talk about those."

And you're still going on with the straw man that everyone is claiming masks are protecting the wearer from getting the virus.

Looks like I do have something here.

You are not an honest broker. You went doctor shopping to confirm your bias and you're building the same straw man over and over and over again.

Why do you actively strive to be dishonest? It's OK for you to be wrong. It's not the first time.

Where did I say "no mask is effective"?

I didn't read after that straw man.

[ChumpDumper]

Where did I say "no mask is effective"?

I didn't read after that straw man.From your link:

Surgical masks were first introduced into hospitals in the late 18th Century but did not make the transition into public use until the Spanish flu outbreak in 1919 that went on to kill over 50 million people.

Dr Chris Smith, consultant virologist at Cambridge University, told RNZ people should not buy them and instead save their money.

"Go and spend it on something useful that you enjoy doing, like having a beer. Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408255/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-do-nothing-virologist

So now you have moved the goalpost to "I wasn't talking about surgical masks even though I quoted a scientist who was explicitly talking about surgical masks."

:lol

[Spurs Homer]

From your link:

Surgical masks were first introduced into hospitals in the late 18th Century but did not make the transition into public use until the Spanish flu outbreak in 1919 that went on to kill over 50 million people.

Dr Chris Smith, consultant virologist at Cambridge University, told RNZ people should not buy them and instead save their money.

"Go and spend it on something useful that you enjoy doing, like having a beer. Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408255/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-do-nothing-virologist

So now you have moved the goalpost to "I wasn't talking about surgical masks even though I quoted a scientist who was explicitly talking about surgical masks."

:lol

Defending
Muh
Criminal

will lash out soon after shitting the bed again

lolol

[ChumpDumper]

Defending
Muh
Criminal

will lash out soon after shitting the bed again

lololI don't know why he feels the need to dig in on a situation that is changing almost daily. Just weird.

[boutons_deux]

Trash and his mafiya spouting bullshit to avoid admitting their negligent manslaughter of 10Ks of Americans

China used air travel to ‘seed’ virus in early stage

Peter Navarro (https://www.foxnews.com/person/n/peter-navarro),...said ... that China (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/world-regions/china)“sent hundreds of thousands” on aircraft throughout the world to “seed” the spread of the virus.

Navarro told ABC News’ “This Week” that the “Chinese—

behind the shield of the World Health Organization—

for two months hid the virus from the world and

then sent hundreds of thousands of Chinese on aircraft to Milan, New York and around the world to seed that.

They could have kept it in Wuhan, but instead, it became a pandemic.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-used-air-travel-to-seed-virus-in-early-stage-top-wh-official-says (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-used-air-travel-to-seed-virus-in-early-stage-top-wh-official-says)

China and WHO being scapegoated

[boutons_deux]

Sounds like Trash is going to defund the WHO totally, in the middle of planet-wide pandemic

[clambake]

Rory mcllroy says that trump cheats playing golf

Lol

[boutons_deux]

Fears of ‘government censorship’ of science after Florida sidelines COVID-19 data chief

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis continues to draw criticism for the state’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

“Late last Friday, the architect and manager of Florida’s COVID-19 dashboard —

praised by White House officials for its accessibility — announced that

she had been removed from her post,

causing outcry from independent researchers now worried about government censorship,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/fears-of-government-censorship-of-science-after-florida-sidelines-covid-19-data-chief/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/fears-of-government-censorship-of-science-after-florida-sidelines-covid-19-data-chief/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[Spurs Homer]

I don't know why he feels the need to dig in on a situation that is changing almost daily. Just weird.

blind allegiance

[tholdren]

Sounds like Trash is going to defund the WHO totally, in the middle of planet-wide pandemic

What does the WHO do?

[DMC]

From your link:

Surgical masks were first introduced into hospitals in the late 18th Century but did not make the transition into public use until the Spanish flu outbreak in 1919 that went on to kill over 50 million people.

Dr Chris Smith, consultant virologist at Cambridge University, told RNZ people should not buy them and instead save their money.

"Go and spend it on something useful that you enjoy doing, like having a beer. Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408255/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-do-nothing-virologist

So now you have moved the goalpost to "I wasn't talking about surgical masks even though I quoted a scientist who was explicitly talking about surgical masks."

:lol

From the very next paragraph that you omitted because you're just so clever:

"The ones we're talking about, that you go and buy off a street vendor and you wear on the underground or tram or on the streets - those are absolutely useless. If you are in hospital and you are fit-tested for a proper prophylactic mask, those do work. And the reason they work is they form a proper seal around your face and around you nose and mouth and you also wear eye protection, and they also have very stringent filtering as well.

"The ones that you buy on the street that are cheap and nasty ... there are big gaps around the sides of your face and every time you cough and sneeze it just comes flying out the side.

"Also they dampen, so as you breathe they get damp and that dampness just makes a nice conduit through for the virus particles."

I even said this:


This is after they said no one should be wearing masks unless you are a healthcare provider or you have the illness.

They bowed to pressure. The CDC doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.

It's not like the CDC didn't have a stance on it before and yes, they knew then that some people would have no symptoms, but the point was that the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.

Never an honest moment with you. You're so desperate for attention it's comical.

So again, where did I say "no mask is effective"? Where does it even say that in the statement you quoted?

[DMC]

I don't know why he feels the need to dig in on a situation that is changing almost daily. Just weird.

Weird is your mental gymnastics here to try to salvage your dignity after butting in again. You've gotten shit on in this thread time and again, and you just cannot let it go.

[ChumpDumper]

From the very next paragraph that you omitted because you're just so clever:

"The ones we're talking about, that you go and buy off a street vendor and you wear on the underground or tram or on the streets - those are absolutely useless. If you are in hospital and you are fit-tested for a proper prophylactic mask, those do work. And the reason they work is they form a proper seal around your face and around you nose and mouth and you also wear eye protection, and they also have very stringent filtering as well.Surgical masks are not the proper prophylactic masks he was talking about. Surgical masks have gaps in the sides and are not fit tested-- as you showed:
https://www.thebeijinger.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/surgicalmask.jpg
It's comical how dishonest you are.

But you're now saying that surgical masks can in fact work to cut down on droplets from the article I linked, so thanks for that admission. They're being sold everywhere and you can't say they are just a placebo. Looks like a great idea for people to wear them.:tu

[DMC]

Surgical masks are not the proper prophylactic masks he was talking about. Surgical masks have gaps in the sides and are not fit tested-- as you showed:
https://www.thebeijinger.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/surgicalmask.jpg
It's comical how dishonest you are.

But you're now saying that surgical masks can in fact work to cut down on droplets from the article I linked, so thanks for that admission. They're being sold everywhere and you can't say they are just a placebo. Looks like a great idea for people to wear them.:tu



From link

Abstract
We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

Where did I mention surgical masks? I said cloth masks are a placebo. :lol

So either the CDC was ignorant about viruses or they bowed to political pressure to offer a placebo to the sheeple.

This keeps going around and around. I've already wrapped this one up and you lost again.

[ChumpDumper]

From link

Abstract
We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

Where did I mention surgical masks? I said cloth masks are a placebo. :lol

So either the CDC was ignorant about viruses or they bowed to political pressure to offer a placebo to the sheeple.

This keeps going around and around. I've already wrapped this one up and you lost again.So do you say surgical masks are a placebo?

Yes or no.

Wrap this up.

[DMC]

CDC Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Face Masks in Public
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/cdc-face-masks-public.html

How often does the CDC recommend placebos?


This is after they said no one should be wearing masks unless you are a healthcare provider or you have the illness.

They bowed to pressure. The CDC doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.

It's not like the CDC didn't have a stance on it before and yes, they knew then that some people would have no symptoms, but the point was that the mask does not prevent transmission of the virus. It's a mesh cloth across your face. It's a placebo. It won't even keep dust out much less aerosol.


So do you say surgical masks are a placebo?

Yes or no.

Wrap this up.

No

Learn to fucking read before you butt in again, you lonely troglodyte.

Are you fucking retarded? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

No

Learn to fucking read before you butt in again, you lonely troglodyte.

Are you fucking retarded? :lolI do remember comparisons of surgical masks to several cloth masks. Some rated better than others and of course layering increased efficacy. Would that be just a placebo if it turned out they cut down on droplets?

[ChumpDumper]

Here's one of the studies:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252#

Some surprising results.

[DMC]

I do remember comparisons of surgical masks to several cloth masks. Some rated better than others and of course layering increased efficacy. Would that be just a placebo if it turned out they cut down on droplets?

Red herring. You don't remember shit. You just Googled it. Enjoy your narrative rodeo. I made my point.

[ChumpDumper]

Red herring. You don't remember shit.I did. Sorry, looks like they aren't placebos at all and your Google doctor shopping to protect your precious narrative was a failure.

Just be honest next time. You don't know everything. You're wrong quite often, in fact.

[RandomGuy]

No

Learn to fucking read before you butt in again, you lonely troglodyte.

Are you fucking retarded? :lol

Ah. the card says "moops" got it.

[RandomGuy]

I did. Sorry, looks like they aren't placebos at all and your Google doctor shopping to protect your precious narrative was a failure.

Just be honest next time. You don't know everything. You're wrong quite often, in fact.

Speaking of DMC being wrong, you should see the funny here:

He assumed, without checking or asking, that I didn't support the space force simply because it was a Trump idea. "you were for space force things when obama did it [but against it now that Trump did it]"

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192091&p=10146973&viewfull=1#post10146973

[RandomGuy]

Red herring. You don't remember shit. You just Googled it. Enjoy your narrative rodeo. I made my point.

The card say moops.

Masks, even cloth ones, work when layered. Chumps link provides some good guidance on that.

[DMC]

Speaking of DMC being wrong, you should see the funny here:

He assumed, without checking or asking, that I didn't support the space force simply because it was a Trump idea. "you were for space force things when obama did it [but against it now that Trump did it]"

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192091&p=10146973&viewfull=1#post10146973

Between you and Los Lonely Boy, you should have an entire army of strawmen by now.

[clambake]

Between you and Los Lonely Boy, you should have an entire army of strawmen by now.

How’s your insulin supply, mcfatty?

[ChumpDumper]

Between you and Los Lonely Boy, you should have an entire army of strawmen by now.:lol you really hate being proved wrong.

[DMC]

How’s your insulin supply, mcfatty?

What do your tastes buds say?

[DMC]

:lol you really hate being proved wrong.

You'd love to take back that link you posted about surgical masks I bet :lol

[clambake]

What do your tastes buds say?

I used my eyes and saw the evidence, that you provided lol

What a stupid fatass lol

[ChumpDumper]

You'd love to take back that link you posted about surgical masks I bet :lolWhy? It proved you wrong. :lol DenialMC

[DMC]

I used my eyes and saw the evidence, that you provided lol

What a stupid fatass lol

Take the bet then.

[DMC]

Why? It proved you wrong. :lol DenialMC

:lol no

[ChumpDumper]

:lol no:lol yes

[DMC]

:lol yes

The evidence is clear for anyone to read. I don't need your opinion of it. I specifically mentioned cloth masks on asymptomatic people, you showed a study on surgical masks with sick people. Clearly you lost before you even got off your knees.

[clambake]

Take the bet then.

Now man cow wants to send pics of men to el nono lol fats

[ChumpDumper]

The evidence is clear for anyone to read.Yes it is. You were wrong. I made you move your goalpost three times so you could try to pretend you're right.

You didn't even notice Darrin stopped by to take a shit on you as well. That can only feed your rage.

You were wrong, dude. It's OK. People know you can be wrong. It has happened before and it will happen again. You make it worse when you throw a little hissy fit.

[RandomGuy]

Between you and Los Lonely Boy, you should have an entire army of strawmen by now.

What you meant was pretty clear. Don't get all whiny on me if you can't be fully clear.

You are the one that works with strawman lies. Quit accusing me of your foibles.

[ChumpDumper]

What you meant was pretty clear. Don't get all whiny on me if you can't be fully clear.

You are the one that works with strawman lies. Quit accusing me of your foibles.:lol he gets upset when other people know things he doesn't know.

[DMC]

Now man cow wants to send pics of men to el nono lol fats

Okay you're a chickenshit. That's all I needed to know.