The Last Dance documentary

[Michael Jordan.]

tom brady literally isnt the best ever at anything but hes clearly the goat QB

joe montana isnt the best ever at anything and he previously was the goat QB

by this criteria, then dennis rodman and steph > lebron, kobe, timmy, shaq, amongst others



more like his severe insecurities, which is even more evident now that basically everyone who either played in those eras, or played on his teams are talking about how BS the documentary actually was :lmao
So what is LeBron the GOAT at? Certainly not winning like Brady

[FrostKing]

Pippen's refusal to reenter only looks bad 25 years later because of Pippen's confusing response

To me it illustrated the Bulls coping without their shot maker. It also illustrated how the once passive Pippen was now hungry for the moment. And ofcourse Kukoc's development

If Scottie had just stated he felt disrespected at the time because he wanted to lead the Bulls to glory. But saying he would do it all over again showed lack of development.

[FrostKing]

tom brady literally isnt the best ever at anything but hes clearly the goat QB

joe montana isnt the best ever at anything and he previously was the goat QB

by this criteria, then dennis rodman and steph > lebron, kobe, timmy, shaq, amongst others



more like his severe insecurities, which is even more evident now that basically everyone who either played in those eras, or played on his teams are talking about how BS the documentary actually was :lmao
Montana and Brady are by far the most clutch.

[Michael Jordan.]

Montana and Brady are by far the most clutch.
Which LeBron fails at yet again

[lefty]

YES! Unfortunately I have to record

https://i.ibb.co/qdqQSzJ/Screenshot-2020-05-19-17-49-49-1.png

Aka Bulls vs the Utah A&M community college astrology club :lol

[lefty]

Pippen's refusal to reenter only looks bad 25 years later because of Pippen's confusing response

To me it illustrated the Bulls coping without their shot maker. It also illustrated how the once passive Pippen was now hungry for the moment. And ofcourse Kukoc's development

If Scottie had just stated he felt disrespected at the time because he wanted to lead the Bulls to glory. But saying he would do it all over again showed lack of development.

I agree
I was surprised by his answer tbh

[Dirks_Finale]

Montana and Brady are by far the most clutch.

I would take Marino over all of them. Never really had a good defense or reliable running game. Always expected to turn water into wine. Kept a bad team competitive.

[Dirks_Finale]

Anyone watching Hornacek burying pullup 3's? That's soooo today's NBA. He couldn't make it today right? :lol

[Neo.]

So what is LeBron the GOAT at? Certainly not winning like Brady

offensive creation

help defense

all-around game

you could easily argue no one is better at any of those than him

oh and since we want to talk intangibles, leading mediocre teams far beyond whats expected of them


Montana and Brady are by far the most clutch.

skills were originally mentioned, not intangibles


Which LeBron fails at yet again

literally the biggest load of crap

[FrostKing]

I would take Marino over all of them. Never really had a good defense or reliable running game. Always expected to turn water into wine. Kept a bad team competitive.
Yes but he really laid an egg in 2nd Half of most of the biggest games of his career. I think his stubbornness and too self-confident got the better of him.

[140]

Anyone watching Hornacek burying pullup 3's? That's soooo today's NBA. He couldn't make it today right? :lol

Yeah thought the same :lol Funny how he's one of bronsexuals poster boys when theyre trying to discredit the 90s tbh

[Michael Jordan.]

Bron is a GOAT at losing with home court advantage

[lefty]

Anyone watching Hornacek burying pullup 3's? That's soooo today's NBA. He couldn't make it today right? :lol

He can shoot but that frane isn’t enough son :lol
:lol Terry Rozier would kill him with one tap

:lol Jeff running back on defense looks like a middle aged lesbian from Southern Indiana trying to catch her bus

[ambchang]

I'm not saying any of them were as good ad Drexler or Mad max. They were scrubs who shot open threes. Some of them, however, helped the Spurs win a title.

Which goes back to the original point that the bulls wouldn’t be able to handle the rockets.

Those players that helped the spurs win was when they could still hit a shot (Elie and Jackson) of which were unplayable after handchecking was outlawed. Danny Ferry had one good game the entire 2003 playoffs. Nobody game plans for him. I’d be surprised if he was even mentioned on a scouting report.

[Dirks_Finale]

He can shoot but that frane isn’t enough son :lol
:lol Terry Rozier would kill him with one tap

:lol Jeff running back on defense looks like a middle aged lesbian from Southern Indiana trying to catch her bus

Rozier wouldn't be allowed to touch him. Everything is a foul now. And scrubs like Trae Young can avg 30 :lol

Trip over your own shoe laces now and they have to stop the game and look at the replay from 10 different angles.

Oh and Plenty of meatheads in the 90s. And they could actually rough you up then...and dorky looking Hornacek still busted their asses if you laid off him.

[DAF86]

Damn, MJ the GOAT. But that's one petty MOFO if I ever saw one. :lol

[DAF86]

Also, lol at that bullshit about food poisoning. All these years they sold us the "flu" and now they chance the story. Hangover theory confirmed, tbh. :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Also, lol at that bullshit about food poisoning. All these years they sold us the "flu" and now they chance the story. Hangover theory confirmed, tbh. :lol

It was food poisoning. I don’t know why it didn’t get brought up in the main stream media back then, but I just re-watched the 1997 finals game 6. Ahmad Rashad joked with his initial report on the status of Michael Jordan that he was feeling better, but should eat a slice of bad pizza, try to play sick. Jordan said “Bad Idea” So that food poisoning story is true. Jordan obviously had a gambling problem, but he’s not going out and getting completely fucking wasted before an NBA finals game. That’s not happening.

[Neo.]

It was food poisoning. I don’t know why it didn’t get brought up in the main stream media back then, but I just re-watched the 1997 finals game 6. Ahmad Rashad joked with his initial report on the status of Michael Jordan that he was feeling better, but should eat a slice of bad pizza, try to play sick. Jordan said “Bad Idea” So that food poisoning story is true. Jordan obviously had a gambling problem, but he’s not going out and getting completely fucking wasted before an NBA finals game. That’s not happening.

i dont think he got wasted either, but its really crappy of them to try to hint that the pizza was purposely tainted by utah guys, and to put together that ridiculous story of 5 guys delivering a pizza and acting shady

if something shady was being done, no retard on earth would send 5 delivery guys

even if ANY of it were true, then its their own fault for identifying the fact that it was a pizza for michael jordan

[FrostKing]

I remember the food poisoning story line at the time. I think the NBA went with "flu" because players being poisoned is a poor reflection on their sport/fans. Did anyone buy an athlete in top physical shape catching the flu in the middle of the summer? I considered it could have been some sort of allergic reaction.

[DAF86]

It was food poisoning. I don’t know why it didn’t get brought up in the main stream media back then, but I just re-watched the 1997 finals game 6. Ahmad Rashad joked with his initial report on the status of Michael Jordan that he was feeling better, but should eat a slice of bad pizza, try to play sick. Jordan said “Bad Idea” So that food poisoning story is true. Jordan obviously had a gambling problem, but he’s not going out and getting completely fucking wasted before an NBA finals game. That’s not happening.

Not on purpose, but what if he didn't think he was getting wasted and had just one too many, while playing poker, without realizing? Yeah, it sounds crazy and unprofessional, but I also never thought that Jordan would wake up and drink a couple of beers and smoke a cigar the morning of the day of game 1 of the finals, and that's apparently exactly what happened.

Also, food poisoning doesn't go away after 1 day. After that Utah game, Jordan was supposedly all fine and dandy to go to practice the next day to prepare for game 6.

[lefty]

Also, lol at that bullshit about food poisoning. All these years they sold us the "flu" and now they chance the story. Hangover theory confirmed, tbh. :lol

It was defo hangover
Grover can’t lie to save his life

[FrostKing]

Hangover from partying in Utah? Where exactly

[lefty]

Hangover from partying in Utah? Where exactly

You know he can take a private plane and party elsewhere

Or have a private party on his hotel room

I mean he did drink 2 beers in the morning on game days

[HarlemHeat37]

The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.

He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old. He couldn't even reach the playoffs in the worst East in NBA history when the league received an influx of perimeter talent.

Definitely win 6 rings with the same circumstances: Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Kawhi

Between 3-6: Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Paul Pierce, Jimmy Butler, McGrady, Paul George, Vince Carter, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen

At least a couple: Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Iverson, Ginobili, Grant Hill, Bernard King

I'm probably forgetting a bunch, as well.

[Chucho]

Damn, Black Trump is ALSO a snitch??!?! Not just a petty snitch, but a fucking Karen.

Dude is such a fuckin girl.

Dude is just like Trump, he even has a giant cult of really, really stupid fans that will buy his shit no matter what.

[lefty]

The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.

He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old. He couldn't even reach the playoffs in the worst East in NBA history when the league received an influx of perimeter talent.

Definitely win 6 rings with the same circumstances: Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Kawhi

Between 3-6: Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Paul Pierce, Jimmy Butler, McGrady, Paul George, Vince Carter, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen

At least a couple: Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Iverson, Ginobili, Grant Hill, Bernard King

I'm probably forgetting a bunch, as well.

True true

[Neo.]

The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.

He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old.

this

i view the 90s bulls similar to the 80s 49ers

for years, NFL teams were built to run the ball, and stop the run, along with the occasional deep pass. when the west coast offense that the 49ers ran came into play, teams simply didn't have the right defensive personnel to match up with them, and they completely dominated a decade. but nowadays, almost no one bothers running the west coast offense, because defenses have figured it out and are built to prevent it.

likewise, the NBA was built around point guards who controlled the game to get the ball down low to big men and low post scorers. the bulls were a very different animal, generally being smaller than most teams, more focused on wing players, precise off-ball movement, and 2-way versatility. teams generally werent built to match up with them. the ones that actually could, gave them problems, despite being noticeably less talented teams (knicks, pacers).

nowadays, the entire NBA is pretty much built on wing players. the league is built to match up with teams built the way the bulls were.

thats not to say that those bulls teams wouldnt have success in todays league, they absolutely would. however, lets plug them in for an 8 year stretch during some of lebrons best years from 2009-2017, and take lebrons teams out of the equation. due to matchups, i have a hard time believing the bulls win 6 in 8 years, while having to combat the dynasty spurs, dynasty warriors, along with near-dynasty celtics and lakers (if not for injuries, a case could be made that either team should have 3-peated from 08-10). and thats with the bulls being completely healthy, lets not even factor in the injuries miami dealt with in 2014, or cleveland had in 2015, or the departure of kyrie in 2017. :lmao at the thought of mike beating KD or Steph warriors without pippen, or a dynasty spurs team (with a brilliant gameplanning coach in pop) with pippen on one leg

[Michael Jordan.]

The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.

He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old. He couldn't even reach the playoffs in the worst East in NBA history when the league received an influx of perimeter talent.

Definitely win 6 rings with the same circumstances: Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Kawhi

Between 3-6: Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Paul Pierce, Jimmy Butler, McGrady, Paul George, Vince Carter, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen

At least a couple: Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Iverson, Ginobili, Grant Hill, Bernard King

I'm probably forgetting a bunch, as well.
LeBron won what Pierce and KG were around? The bitch had to join Wade and Bosh to get around them and still got his ass waxed by Jason Terry and a dwarf in the finals.

[Michael Jordan.]

Got his shit pushed in by Dwight in the ECF WITH home court. LeBron wasn’t and isn’t shit without Wade Bosh and Kyrie

[Michael Jordan.]

But we shall look at the numbers 👀


2008-2009 Cavs: Finished 1st in defense, 13th offense. Gets home court, loses as the One seed to the Magic, who finished 10th on offense and 6th on defense.

2009-2010 Cavs: Finished 9th on offense, 6th in defense. Loses as the One seed yet again with home court to Boston, who finished 19TH IN OFFENSE

2010-2011 Heat: Finished 8th on Offense and 6th in defense. Dallas finishes 11th in offense 10th on defense. Another team where LeBron’s has advantages. Yet lost again with home court.



“But but LeBron had no help” :cry

[FrostKing]

The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.

He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old. He couldn't even reach the playoffs in the worst East in NBA history when the league received an influx of perimeter talent.

Definitely win 6 rings with the same circumstances: Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Kawhi

Between 3-6: Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Paul Pierce, Jimmy Butler, McGrady, Paul George, Vince Carter, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen

At least a couple: Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Iverson, Ginobili, Grant Hill, Bernard King

I'm probably forgetting a bunch, as well.
You are ignoring all the heavy lifting it required to reach that point. The crushing losses the tens of thousands of hours in practice, the physically fighting teammates and burning personal bridges it took to Win. Instead you fast forward straight to - put on shorts and lace up sneakers stage

Durant you can cross right off considering he bolted on OKC with his own Pippen on the team. The crap LeBron gets, Durant essentially bolted the Chicago Bulls to play on the Lakers.

Kobe and Bird - yes. They have the skills, drive and demeanor

Wade - seems too buddy buddy with his teammates

Leonard - 3rd best option on your list. Just not sure he has the explosive game changing skills to draw in players early in career like Jordan did. Plus he seems too shy and lead by example type


Some people seem to only see the big picture - 6/6 titles. But there were several lucky breaks that made this happen such as Jordan taking a break for 1 year. Rodman becoming available. Kukoc arriving and agreeing to stunt his one growth for the teams success.

[FrostKing]

this

i view the 90s bulls similar to the 80s 49ers

for years, NFL teams were built to run the ball, and stop the run, along with the occasional deep pass. when the west coast offense that the 49ers ran came into play, teams simply didn't have the right defensive personnel to match up with them, and they completely dominated a decade. but nowadays, almost no one bothers running the west coast offense, because defenses have figured it out and are built to prevent it.

likewise, the NBA was built around point guards who controlled the game to get the ball down low to big men and low post scorers. the bulls were a very different animal, generally being smaller than most teams, more focused on wing players, precise off-ball movement, and 2-way versatility. teams generally werent built to match up with them. the ones that actually could, gave them problems, despite being noticeably less talented teams (knicks, pacers).

nowadays, the entire NBA is pretty much built on wing players. the league is built to match up with teams built the way the bulls were.

thats not to say that those bulls teams wouldnt have success in todays league, they absolutely would. however, lets plug them in for an 8 year stretch during some of lebrons best years from 2009-2017, and take lebrons teams out of the equation. due to matchups, i have a hard time believing the bulls win 6 in 8 years, while having to combat the dynasty spurs, dynasty warriors, along with near-dynasty celtics and lakers (if not for injuries, a case could be made that either team should have 3-peated from 08-10). and thats with the bulls being completely healthy, lets not even factor in the injuries miami dealt with in 2014, or cleveland had in 2015, or the departure of kyrie in 2017. :lmao at the thought of mike beating KD or Steph warriors without pippen, or a dynasty spurs team (with a brilliant gameplanning coach in pop) with pippen on one leg
- If the 1980s 49ers existed today they would have the best offensive player in the League (Rice) and best defensive player in the League (Lott). That is a significant advantage. Craig would fit right in, Top 5 RB

The 49ers had arguably a better offense in the 90s but didn't win as many Titles because their defense was weaker. Most their losses in the 80s were the result of defense failing them

- If 90s Bulls existed today, they would have the 2 best perimeter defenders in a perimeter dominated Era. So the Bulls would be even better today. Look at the teams the Bulls struggled against - dominant front courts. That no longer exists

[FrostKing]

Duncan's Spurs (Bowen/Leonard and Manu,Parker) and Shaq's Lakers are the two teams I would avoid. All the rest had inferior players and/or significant weaknesses that could be exploited. 2008 Celtics would be interesting. Alot of depth and Ray Allen still elite player.

[Neo.]

- If the 1980s 49ers existed today they would have the best offensive player in the League (Rice) and best defensive player in the League (Lott). That is a significant advantage. Craig would fit right in, Top 5 RB

:lmao :lmao :lmao ok

rice is arguable, but :lmao at lott being the best defensive player in the league today and roger craig being a top 5 rb :lmao


- If 90s Bulls existed today, they would have the 2 best perimeter defenders in a perimeter dominated Era. So the Bulls would be even better today.

mmm one could definitely argue that the clippers alone have two better perimeter defenders, not even including the rest of the NBA

plus mike/pippen were arguably the best wing defenders in a era that was pretty weak on wing players, and the few good ones they faced, they got ate alive regularly just like anyone else.


Look at the teams the Bulls struggled against - dominant front courts. That no longer exists

they pretty much beat all the teams they faced with dominant front courts, because their mismatches outweigh the frontcourt mismatches, the same way the warriors did for the past 4 years, or miami did for their 4 years.

the one thing the bulls didnt really face, were teams with multiple legit wing/perimeter threats to match up with mike/scottie, like the warriors, miami, or cleveland over the past 10 years. id love to have gotten a chance to see how they face teams that force both of them to defend elite players at the same time, instead of taking turns on one guy

[FrostKing]

:lmao :lmao :lmao ok

rice is arguable, but :lmao at lott being the best defensive player in the league today and roger craig being a top 5 rb :lmao



mmm one could definitely argue that the clippers alone have two better perimeter defenders, not even including the rest of the NBA

plus mike/pippen were arguably the best wing defenders in a era that was pretty weak on wing players, and the few good ones they faced, they got ate alive regularly just like anyone else.



they pretty much beat all the teams they faced with dominant front courts, because their mismatches outweigh the frontcourt mismatches, the same way the warriors did for the past 4 years, or miami did for their 4 years.

the one thing the bulls didnt really face, were teams with multiple legit wing/perimeter threats to match up with mike/scottie, like the warriors, miami, or cleveland over the past 10 years. id love to have gotten a chance to see how they face teams that force both of them to defend elite players at the same time, instead of taking turns on one guy
What's wrong with Craig in Top 5? He is ideal for today. Excellent receiver out of backfield and strong blocker. RB is weak these days

Of those three teams, Bosh is by far the best post player. Rodman would eat the boards. That spells feast or famine for these teams reliant on outside shooting. Irving chucking against 6'6 Harper. Who guards Kukoc?

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvy-87flKo0

[FrostKing]

Pippen was a late bloomer. Classic self doubter. Especially since he came from a gigantic family.

Perfect combo for each other

[FrostKing]

YES! Unfortunately I have to record

https://i.ibb.co/qdqQSzJ/Screenshot-2020-05-19-17-49-49-1.png
Just finished watching. Post final whistle, shots of initial reaction and then celebration is memorable. The quality is top notch. Inside the huddle content. Presentation is stripped down and I love that. The camera angle is slightly different so odd at first but more up close. Reminds me of NBA Live.

[Darth_Pelican]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/98352049_165381641610929_7591662361367281664_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=xh8CQOKlRpsAX_3Wmpr&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=6bb0f318003c68db6e7512011b7bb007&oe=5EED2B6A

[Dirks_Finale]

Are you buying the pizza story?

Agree on the quality of the footage. My goodness, I am longing for more HD memories from the 90's now.


Just finished watching. Post final whistle, shots of initial reaction and then celebration is memorable. The quality is top notch. Inside the huddle content. Presentation is stripped down and I love that. The camera angle is slightly different so odd at first but more up close. Reminds me of NBA Live.

[lefty]

Hell no, Tim Grover looked like he was being held at gun point :lol

[SpursforSix]

Are you buying the pizza story?

Agree on the quality of the footage. My goodness, I am longing for more HD memories from the 90's now.

I'm not buying it. Jordan is a classic manipulator. What better way to further his legend than to pretend he's sick and then come out and BOOOOOOOM. Oh I'm still sick. But I'm still Michael Jordan!!!! YEEEEEAWWWWWW!!!!!

[ambchang]

Not sure why the pizza story is such a big deal. It came out back then. It’s really nothing new.

I do doubt the bunch of shady guys lining up at the hotel room door though. Would be retarded for the entire troop to allow Jordan to eat that pizza in such circumstances.

[Dirks_Finale]

If the ridiculous pizza story is true, then Jordan surrounded himself with incompetent buffoons. Or maybe they wanted him to get sick.

[FrostKing]

5. Rodman
4. Kukoc
3. Pippen
2. Jordan
1. Harper

Phil Jackson
Tex Winter
Jerry Krause

[Arcadian]

The whole "let's try to imagine what would happen if Jordan played in the 2010s/Lebron played in the 90s" is stupid. There are too many variables, many of which are impossible to account for, for that thought experiment to be useful at all. All we can do is compare what they actually did relative to their competition.

[i'm_still_beta]

But we shall look at the numbers 


2008-2009 Cavs: Finished 1st in defense, 13th offense. Gets home court, loses as the One seed to the Magic, who finished 10th on offense and 6th on defense.

2009-2010 Cavs: Finished 9th on offense, 6th in defense. Loses as the One seed yet again with home court to Boston, who finished 19TH IN OFFENSE

2010-2011 Heat: Finished 8th on Offense and 6th in defense. Dallas finishes 11th in offense 10th on defense. Another team where LeBron’s has advantages. Yet lost again with home court.



“But but LeBron had no help” :cry

2009 - Not LeBron's fault. Mo Williams was second best player on the team. LJ was dominant in RS and Playoffs. 38.5 8.3 8.0 against Orlando. How can you blame LeBron for loss? Kobe had superior team and was less efficient and productive against same team in the Finals
2010 - Cavaliers were outplayed by superior team. Plain and simple. Rondo, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, great bench against Mo, Jamison and corpse of Shaq.

LeBron would be my GOAT if he could beat 2010 Celtics. And then he was going to face Lakers both times who were on Celtics' level. If LeBron had gone 3-0 against these teams he should be crowned as GOAT of North American sports period.

2011 - LeBron's fault. No excuses.

[Dirks_Finale]

Were the 2014 Heatles good enough to win or did Lebron need more help?


2009 - Not LeBron's fault. Mo Williams was second best player on the team. LJ was dominant in RS and Playoffs. 38.5 8.3 8.0 against Orlando. How can you blame LeBron for loss? Kobe had superior team and was less efficient and productive against same team in the Finals
2010 - Cavaliers were outplayed by superior team. Plain and simple. Rondo, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, great bench against Mo, Jamison and corpse of Shaq.

LeBron would be my GOAT if he could beat 2010 Celtics. And then he was going to face Lakers both times who were on Celtics' level. If LeBron had gone 3-0 against these teams he should be crowned as GOAT of North American sports period.

2011 - LeBron's fault. No excuses.

[lefty]

Were the 2014 Heatles good enough to win or did Lebron need more help?

The Spurs were just better

[Dirks_Finale]

The Spurs were just better

Nice deflection :lol

[i'm_still_beta]

Were the 2014 Heatles good enough to win or did Lebron need more help?

LeBron had enough help in 2014.

But nobody perfect. Let's look at MJ. From 1990 he had enough help. He lost 1990. From 1991-1998 even more than enough because every year except 1995 he had better team from 2-15 than other team's best player. He had one of if not the best coaching staff in the league. Before that he was beaten just like every superstar player.

[Michael Jordan.]

LeBron had enough help in 2014.

But nobody perfect. Let's look at MJ. From 1990 he had enough help. He lost 1990. From 1991-1998 even more than enough because every year except 1995 he had better team from 2-15 than other team's best player. He had one of if not the best coaching staff in the league. Before that he was beaten just like every superstar player.
yet, LeBron was two shots away from being 1-8 in the finals. Not dominant at all.

[i'm_still_beta]

yet, LeBron was two shots away from being 1-8 in the finals. Not dominant at all.

Agree. He was 2 shots away from being 1-8.

But what is dominance? Finals record? I don't think so. When I rate players, I don't care about things like Finals record. Impact on games is all that matters.

[Dirks_Finale]

LeBron had enough help in 2014.

But nobody perfect. Let's look at MJ. From 1990 he had enough help. He lost 1990. From 1991-1998 even more than enough because every year except 1995 he had better team from 2-15 than other team's best player. He had one of if not the best coaching staff in the league. Before that he was beaten just like every superstar player.

It seems to take star players take at least 6-7 years to lead their teams to titles. For Jordan, it was 7 and Lebron, I think 9 years. You must admit those bulls teams were sorry as hell when he arrived. Dave Corzine :lol Looked like Lebron's early Cavs teams.

In 1990 that bulls team just wasn't ready. So I do not penalize them for not advancing. Pippen still had growing up to do, same with Grant. They were both only in their 3rd year. This wasn't a situation like Lebron had when he stepped into a loaded team with mature superstars like FMVP Wade and Bosh. Agree with you on 91-98...Bulls were clearly better than everyone when Jordan played and they had a rebounder like Grant or Rodman.

[Dirks_Finale]

Agree. He was 2 shots away from being 1-8.

But what is dominance? Finals record? I don't think so. When I rate players, I don't care about things like Finals record. Impact on games is all that matters.

It certainly helps your case. Duncan being 5-1--- damn near 6-0 is significant and factors into his all time ranks, imo.

[Dirks_Finale]

Are the bulls planning a 30 year reunion for their 91 title team?

Would love to see Jordan there with Hodges, Pippen, Grant and everyone else he pissed off in the docuseries :lol

[i'm_still_beta]

It seems to take star players take at least 6-7 years to lead their teams to titles. For Jordan, it was 7 and Lebron, I think 9 years. You must admit those bulls teams were sorry as hell when he arrived. Dave Corzine :lol Looked like Lebron's early Cavs teams.

In 1990 that bulls team just wasn't ready. So I do not penalize them for not advancing. Pippen still had growing up to do, same with Grant. They were both only in their 3rd year. This wasn't a situation like Lebron had when he stepped into a loaded team with mature superstars like FMVP Wade and Bosh. Agree with you on 91-98...Bulls were clearly better than everyone when Jordan played and they had a rebounder like Grant or Rodman.

Let's make it clear. I believe that MJ a little better than LeBron but ... Bulls front-office did a terrific job of building the team around Michael. Cavs management couldn't do the same. Media, fans started to question Lebron lack of rings. In these circumstances LeBron had to abandon the ship. If he didn't, he could of repeat KGs fate.

What if Bulls didn't draft Pippen? What if MJ got traded to Clippers or Spurs for Robinson? How many rings for MJ? What if Pistons or Heat had 1st pick in 2003? Players can't control that. That's why I think rings should be irrelevant in GOAT discussions.

[Dirks_Finale]

I actually don't blame him much for leaving CLE that first time. It's how he did it that made him look like a dbag.

And we can talk about rings and how much they actually mean. Dirk's 1 ring to me is more valuable than KD's 2. And it was more impressive than 2 of Lebron's 3.


Let's make it clear. I believe that MJ a little better than LeBron but ... Bulls front-office did a terrific job of building the team around Michael. Cavs management couldn't do the same. Media, fans started to question Lebron lack of rings. In these circumstances LeBron had to abandon the ship. If he didn't, he could of repeat KGs fate.

What if Bulls didn't draft Pippen? What if MJ got traded to Clippers or Spurs for Robinson? How many rings for MJ? What if Pistons or Heat had 1st pick in 2003? Players can't control that. That's why I think rings should be irrelevant in GOAT discussions.

[lefty]

Let's make it clear. I believe that MJ a little better than LeBron but ... Bulls front-office did a terrific job of building the team around Michael. Cavs management couldn't do the same. Media, fans started to question Lebron lack of rings. In these circumstances LeBron had to abandon the ship. If he didn't, he could of repeat KGs fate.

What if Bulls didn't draft Pippen? What if MJ got traded to Clippers or Spurs for Robinson? How many rings for MJ? What if Pistons or Heat had 1st pick in 2003? Players can't control that. That's why I think rings should be irrelevant in GOAT discussions.

Exactly

Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t build that team around him

[FrostKing]

If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland, he would have stumbled into atleast another title. So his record would be 2-7 or 2-8. That is not too far off 3-6. He should have just stayed in Cleveland

[FrostKing]

Losing in 5 games to an opponent he defeated the year before is a poor reflection on Lebron

He did it twice

[lefty]

Losing in 5 games to an opponent he defeated the year before is a poor reflection on Lebron

He did it twice

Jordan would have been obliterated by both pre-Durant and Durant Warriors :lol

Nostalgia goggles :lol

[FrostKing]

Jordan would have been obliterated by both pre-Durant and Durant Warriors :lol

Nostalgia goggles :lol
Warriors have no answer for Kukoc

[lefty]

Warriors have no answer for Kukoc

True

Still get skullfucked by GS :lol

[Spurtacular]

lefty

He had to go. Dude was going to eliminate Dad Killer from the playoffs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ANvDMKS56A

[lefty]

lefty

He had to go. Dude was going to eliminate Dad Killer from the playoffs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ANvDMKS56A
Yeah that’s very suspicious
Petro did work on DeJordan and talked trash to him everytime
Stern didn’t like that

[Spurtacular]

Yeah that’s very suspicious
Petro did work on DeJordan and talked trash to him everytime
Stern didn’t like that

A camera crew at a car crash scene in the middle of nowhere? It's not like DP was Princess Di.

[lefty]

A camera crew at a car crash scene in the middle of nowhere? It's not like DP was Princess Di.
Jordan : “at that point, it became personal to me”
Stern : “say no more”

[Spurtacular]

Jordan : “at that point, it became personal to me”
Stern : “say no more”

Stern probably had some friends in the CIA. Dude's a serious POS.

[lefty]

Stern probably had some friends in the CIA. Dude's a serious POS.

He also told the Soviets to prevent Sabonis from joining Portland in his prime and got rid of Lewis and Bias

Wouldn’t be surprised if he gave Magic AIDS and sent thugs to break Larry’s body

Had to protect his cash cow

[Neo.]

Warriors have no answer for Kukoc

they also had no answer for lebron or kyrie, yet were so much better of a team as a whole that it didnt matter, they won in 5

and lets not act like the bulls have answers for steph klay and KD. if you have mike and pip running themselves ragged chasing steph and klay, that plays right into what they want their opponent to do

[FrostKing]

they also had no answer for lebron or kyrie, yet were so much better of a team as a whole that it didnt matter, they won in 5

and lets not act like the bulls have answers for steph klay and KD. if you have mike and pip running themselves ragged chasing steph and klay, that plays right into what they want their opponent to do
Klay is your typical 90s shooting guard

Durant would be guarded by Pippen and Rodman

Curry is arguably the Warriors best angle in this matchup. He has the height to not be fully suffocated

GS needs prime Bogut to go along with Durant but they are from different times

[lefty]

Klay is your typical 90s shooting guard

Durant would be guarded by Pippen and Rodman

Curry is arguably the Warriors best angle in this matchup. He has the height to not be fully suffocated

GS needs prime Bogut to go along with Durant but they are from different times

Except that Klay os a better shooter than your typical 90s shooting guard
He is also a better defender than your typical 90s shooting guard
Pippen and Rodman never had to guard anyone like KD

[FrostKing]

Except that Klay os a better shooter than your typical 90s shooting guard
He is also a better defender than your typical 90s shooting guard
Pippen and Rodman never had to guard anyone like KD
Guy who lives off mid range jumpers?

Klay = Majerle

[lefty]

Guy who lives off mid range jumpers?

Klay = Majerle

Durant can create his own shot , go to the rim , shoot 3s and 2s, what the fuck are you talking about? :lmao

And thinking that stiff Majerle = Klay :lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

Durant can create his own shot , go to the rim , shoot 3s and 2s, what the fuck are you talking about? :lmao

And thinking that stiff Majerle = Klay :lmao

Klay = Majerle is a good comparison. Both have/had incredible range. Both are good defenders. Klay is more agile bot not by a whole lot. He's not exactly Russell Westbrook in that dept himself.

[Dirks_Finale]

KD has never been roughed up the way 90's guys were allowed to do either.

You think that mental midget wouldn't be shook by all that? :lol


Except that Klay os a better shooter than your typical 90s shooting guard
He is also a better defender than your typical 90s shooting guard
Pippen and Rodman never had to guard anyone like KD

[Michael Jordan.]

I think lefty should take a look at Klay Thompson’s defensive ratings before making that dumb comment again

[Michael Jordan.]

He’s worse than Harden

[lefty]

Klay = Majerle is a good comparison. Both have/had incredible range. Both are good defenders. Klay is more agile bot not by a whole lot. He's not exactly Russell Westbrook in that dept himself.

Klay is a much better shooter and a much better defender, I don’t know what the fuck you jave been watching

[lefty]

KD has never been roughed up the way 90's guys were allowed to do either.

You think that mental midget wouldn't be shook by all that? :lol

Please :lmao

The NBA wasn’t more physical than it is now

:lol you guys have been brainwashed by those “tuff physical 90s defense” compilation videos and “Michael Jordan : Come Fly With Me” tapes :lol

And Jordan was soft as fuck “David Sturm, Pistons are mean to me” :cry :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Durant can create his own shot , go to the rim , shoot 3s and 2s, what the fuck are you talking about? :lmao

And thinking that stiff Majerle = Klay :lmao

Majerle could drain it from further. With reps, he would be 25 ppg in today's NBA easy.
He was a little too gun shy in the 93 finals for his own good. If he had gotten Clay's reps that would not have been the case.

[FrostKing]

Klay is a much better shooter and a much better defender, I don’t know what the fuck you jave been watching
Aggressive. You want to go down with this modern ship?

[Spurtacular]

He also told the Soviets to prevent Sabonis from joining Portland in his prime and got rid of Lewis and Bias

Wouldn’t be surprised if he gave Magic AIDS and sent thugs to break Larry’s body

Had to protect his cash cow

IIRC TNT and other national outlets touted Lewis's issues as congenital.
No mention whatsoever of cocaine. Of course the CIA doesn't always have
their tentacles in the local news outlets, who reported the cocaine in his system.
But yea, there was definitely a propaganda campaign afoot.
I didn't learn of this until decades later.
Those fuckers threw him out so much like trash that they buried him in an unmarked grave, even.

[lefty]

Majerle could drain it from further. With reps, he would be 25 ppg in today's NBA easy.
He was a little too gun shy in the 93 finals for his own good. If he had gotten Clay's reps that would not have been the case.

Majerle could hit the occasional long 3 but he was very inconsistent and it’s not like he was always making them from logo range like they are doing today

And he fell off a cliff very quickly

Klay is way more consistent and unlike Dan he didn’t need to to be squared to the basket
Klay can catch and shoot quickly with a defender in his grill and with his body turned away from the basket

Majerle wouldn’t average 25 ppg today because:
- he is too streaky
- he wouldn’t play enough minutes to score 20 because he would be a total liability on defense

[Spurtacular]

Majerle could hit the occasional long 3 but he was very inconsistent and it’s not like he was always making them from logo range like they are doing today

And he fell off a cliff very quickly

Klay is way more consistent and unlike Dan he didn’t need to to be squared to the basket
Klay can catch and shoot quickly with a defender in his grill and with his body turned away from the basket

Majerle wouldn’t average 25 ppg today because:
- he is too streaky
- he wouldn’t play enough minutes to score 20 because he would be a total liability on defense

He was streaky because his reps were inconsistent. Suns didn't even run any damn plays for him. It was all about getting Barkley his MVP.

[lefty]

He was streaky because his reps were inconsistent. Suns didn't even run any damn plays for him. It was all about getting Barkley his MVP.
Eh great shooters figure it out
He didn’t

[Spurtacular]

Eh great shooters figure it out
He didn’t

He was shooting 38 3FG in 93 despite having no plays and consistently shooting from 7 ft behind the line because the Suns spacing sucked.
I'd say he'd "figure it out" in the Warriors system.

[lefty]

He was shooting 38 3FG in 93 despite having no plays and consistently shooting from 7 ft behind the line because the Suns spacing sucked.
I'd say he'd "figure it out" in the Warriors system.

Klay is a better shooter, the tapes don’t lie

[Spurtacular]

Klay is a better shooter, the tapes don’t lie

He's about 4 3FG% better shooting on the line with plays for him, better spacing, illegal screens; and playing along side one of the best three shooters of all-time opening it up further for him (Majerle had midrange KJ :lol) etc.

That's what the tapes will show ma nigga.

[lefty]

He's about 4 3FG% better shooting on the line with plays for him, better spacing, illegal screens; and playing along side one of the best three shooters of all-time opening it up further for him (Majerle had midrange KJ :lol) etc.

That's what the tapes will show ma nigga.

Nah bro he can hit difficult shots

Go rewatch game 6 vs OKC, he was well. defended and hit quick difficult catch and shoot 3s, some of them without even being squared up to the badket

Majerlol never had a playoff performance like that in the postseason :lol

His best playoff game? Wiiiiide open 3s - since you brought this up - against Seattle in 93 :lmao

By the way 1993 is the only year where he shot the 3 well during the playoffs
He struggled in 94 and 95 and later with Miami, missing a lot of opeeeeeeeen 3s :lmao

Klay is also a way better FT shooter


Son, the tape don’t lie

[FrostKing]

Nah bro he can hit difficult shots

Go rewatch game 6 vs OKC, he was well. defended and hit quick difficult catch and shoot 3s, some of them without even being squared up to the badket

Majerlol never had a playoff performance like that in the postseason :lol

His best playoff game? Wiiiiide open 3s - since you brought this up - against Seattle in 93 :lmao

By the way 1993 is the only year where he shot the 3 well during the playoffs
He struggled in 94 and 95 and later with Miami, missing a lot of opeeeeeeeen 3s :lmao

Klay is also a way better FT shooter
Son, the tape don’t lie
Lefty shook by Dan the Man

[lefty]

Lefty shook by Dan the Man
It's Thunder Dan, show some respeck!

[LkrFan]

Pip be like https://twitter.com/DVDJXX/status/1264591210938863616?s=19
:rollin :lmao :rollin

[Dirks_Finale]

The NBA wasn’t more physical than it is now


LMFAO

next tell us the one about goldilocks and the 3 little bears :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Klay is a much better shooter and a much better defender, I don’t know what the fuck you jave been watching

Consistent reps make a difference as basketball is a rhythm sport, lefty... Ask any shooter. Put Majerle in this era and the numbers are similar because he's getting more looks.

[FrostKing]

Pip be like https://twitter.com/DVDJXX/status/1264591210938863616?s=19
:rollin :lmao :rollin
I shared

Lets be honest without Michael, Scottie isn't a Dream Teamer

[lefty]

LMFAO

next till us the one about goldilocks and the 3 little bears :lol

Soft calls
Handchecking calls
Flopping

It happened in the 80s and 90s

:lol what a shit overrated era

[lefty]

Pip be like https://twitter.com/DVDJXX/status/1264591210938863616?s=19
:rollin :lmao :rollin

:lol

[FrostKing]

Soft calls
Handchecking calls
Flopping

It happened in the 80s and 90s

:lol what a shit overrated era
Are you a Curry & Durant in the Top 10 truther

[Dirks_Finale]

Trae Young -- Allstar and 30 ppg scorer.

Also Trae Young with Hawks - 20-47 record. :lol

The NBA is not inflated with meaningless stats or anything :lol

[lefty]

Trae Young -- Allstar and 30 ppg scorer.

Also Trae Young with Hawks - 20-47 record. :lol

The NBA is not inflated with meaningless stats or anything :lolStat padding happens in any era in any sport

Jordan was a stat padder before Pippen
Gervin was a stat padder
Oscar Robertson was a stat padder
Wertbrook is a stat padder
Lionel Messi is a stat padder

But yeah Trae Young is hard to watch; I get that the one motion jump shot gives more range and accuracy , but in Trae's case he shoots lthe rock like a WNBA player :lol

He also looks like Matt Barnes had sex with Peter Dinklage :lol

[LkrFan]

I shared

Lets be honest without Michael, Scottie isn't a Dream Teamer

Mike was 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. Shhhhhh!

[lefty]

Mike was 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. Shhhhhh!
No no no!
Michael willed his team to victories !!!!!!!
He didn't need Pippen what are you talking about?

According to ESPN/Netflix, Space Jam and Nike he won games and titles by playing 1 vs 5 !!!!!!
Haven't you seen his mean game faces?
Haven't you seen highlight videos of Jordan overcoming mafia hitmen, cartel snipers and macheteros EVERYTIME he touched the ball?

Stop posting, KID !

[LkrFan]

No no no!
Michael willed his team to victories !!!!!!!
He didn't need Pippen what are you talking about?

According to ESPN/Netflix, Space Jam and Nike he won games and titles by playing 1 vs 5 !!!!!!
Haven't you seen his mean game faces?
Haven't you seen highlight videos of Jordan overcoming mafia hitmen, cartel snipers and macheteros EVERYTIME he touched the ball?

Stop posting, KID !

John Clawd Van damn! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[Dirks_Finale]

Mike played with 120lb crack heads prior to Pippen :lol


Mike was 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. Shhhhhh!

[LkrFan]

Mike played with 120lb crack heads prior to Pippen :lol

:lol

[i'm_still_beta]

I read at one forum that 80s and 90s NBA was more physical and violent than modern NFL. Another gem was that basketball was as tough as kickboxing. That level of delusion

[lefty]

Mike played with 120lb crack heads prior to Pippen :lol
Mike also played against 120 lbs crackheads

[i'm_still_beta]

Mike also played against 120 lbs crackheads

To make matter worse ... https://youtu.be/cpwv7cB6-Qs?t=56

[Dirks_Finale]

Most of the league's crackheads were on the bull's roster.


Mike also played against 120 lbs crackheads

[FrostKing]

I read at one forum that 80s and 90s NBA was more physical and violent than modern NFL. Another gem was that basketball was as tough as kickboxing. That level of delusion
Prob wearing Jordans as you post this

[i'm_still_beta]

Prob wearing Jordans as you post this

No, that's waste of money

[Michael Jordan.]

Please :lmao

The NBA wasn’t more physical than it is now

:lol you guys have been brainwashed by those “tuff physical 90s defense” compilation videos and “Michael Jordan : Come Fly With Me” tapes :lol

And Jordan was soft as fuck “David Sturm, Pistons are mean to me” :cry :lmao
You aren’t allowed to touch a defender In today’s NB:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

7:38 onward -- class dismissed. Enjoy your holiday :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97mny---OMk

[Michael Jordan.]

Mike was 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. Shhhhhh!
LeBron is 1-8 in the finals without Kyrie and Ray Allen, two lesser players than Scottie

[Michael Jordan.]

Lest we forget, LeBron got his shit worked on defense by Dwert Howard, a nigga with no post game.

[lefty]

You aren’t allowed to touch a defender In today’s NB:lol
First of all that’s not really true, watch a playoff game
It’s better defense today , that relies on footwork, reading the offense, athleticism and mobility
Team defenses are also much better and versatile today, and for a slsher going against the zone is much harder than going ISO.
ISOball era :lol

Anybody can handcheck and grab, it doesn’t require any skill :lol

:lol yesterday’s NBA “defense”

[lefty]

I read at one forum that 80s and 90s NBA was more physical and violent than modern NFL. Another gem was that basketball was as tough as kickboxing. That level of delusion

:lol holy shit

[lefty]

To make matter worse ... https://youtu.be/cpwv7cB6-Qs?t=56
:lmao WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ? :lmao

90s defense :lmao

[Michael Jordan.]

Christ almighty. Without Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie, LeBron’s finals win loss record is 2-8 :lmao

[i'm_still_beta]

Christ almighty. Without Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie, LeBron’s finals win loss record is 2-8 :lmao

Without Phil and Pip, MJ's second round record is 0-0

[Michael Jordan.]

No wait, it’s 2-12 :lmao

[Michael Jordan.]

Without Phil and Pip, MJ's second round record is 0-0
Wade is a top 10-15 player of all time. Better than Pippen.

[Michael Jordan.]

Then again I don’t remember LeBron making the playoffs at all his first two years

[i'm_still_beta]

95-96 Pippen easily better than any version of Wade LeBron played with except 2010-2011

[FrostKing]

First of all that’s not really true, watch a playoff game
It’s better defense today , that relies on footwork, reading the offense, athleticism and mobility
Team defenses are also much better and versatile today, and for a slsher going against the zone is much harder than going ISO.
ISOball era :lol

Anybody can handcheck and grab, it doesn’t require any skill :lol

:lol yesterday’s NBA “defense”
1on1 Era was clearly more difficult to defend. Now whether Hero ball is more attractive for the common fan is debatable.

That is why Leonard is dominating today. He's a strong 1on1 player.

[i'm_still_beta]

Then again I don’t remember LeBron making the playoffs at all his first two years

1. LeBron was 19 as a rookie, MJ was 21.

2. At 20 years old Lebron averaged 27-7-7 in NBA. At 20 years old MJ was being destroyed in NCAA without Team Leader Worthy.

3. It's tough to make playoffs with 38-44 record like someone did in 1984-85 season.

[Michael Jordan.]

Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.

[Michael Jordan.]

1. LeBron was 19 as a rookie, MJ was 21.

2. At 20 years old Lebron averaged 27-7-7 in NBA. At 20 years old MJ was being destroyed in NCAA without Team Leader Worthy.

3. It's tough to make playoffs with 38-44 record like someone did in 1984-85 season.
Yet I made the playoffs my first year. LeBron didn’t. Not for 2 years. Whoops.

[i'm_still_beta]

Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.

You are too good to hide behind team accomplishments.

[FrostKing]

Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

Switch Jordan and Irving

[i'm_still_beta]

Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

Switch Jordan and Irving

I think Scottie compliments MJ better. Michael is more score-first player at heart. Pippen is all-round do it all player style-wise.

For the same reason Irving compliments LeBron better except styles are reversed.

It would be fun to watch. I don't know what would have changed, I can only speculate.

[140]

7:38 onward -- class dismissed. Enjoy your holiday :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97mny---OMk

damn :lol headshot tbh..

[FrostKing]

I think Scottie compliments MJ better. Michael is more score-first player at heart. Pippen is all-round do it all player style-wise.

For the same reason Irving compliments LeBron better except styles are reversed.

It would be fun to watch. I don't know what would have changed, I can only speculate.
Late in the 2nd Run Pippen was at times the 3rd and 4th scorer

Beauty to watch those Bulls defend

[LkrFan]

LeBron is 1-8 in the finals without Kyrie and Ray Allen, two lesser players than Scottie

1-8 > 1-9. His Airness had a couple sweeps during that stretch :lol

Wanna compare players at age 35? :downspin:

[LkrFan]

Yet I made the playoffs my first year. LeBron didn’t. Not for 2 years. Whoops.

What happened in 1986, in the 1st round? ;)

[LkrFan]

Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

Switch Jordan and Irving

Bron and Scottie together? 8 straight. Bron wouldn't get his Dad offed or have Stern force him to retire. :lol

[FrostKing]

1-8 > 1-9. His Airness had a couple sweeps during that stretch :lol

Wanna compare players at age 35? :downspin:
I might have said this before but Lebron has an odd career trajectory. His performance vs the Pistons in 2007 might be my favorite Lebron performance. Then he plateaus and even declines until 2012.

[LkrFan]

Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.

How many titles in the 80s? You had 6 chances...

[LkrFan]

I might have said this before but Lebron has an odd career trajectory. His performance vs the Pistons in 2007 might be my favorite Lebron performance. Then he plateaus and even declines until 2012.

LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD :lol

[FrostKing]

Bron and Scottie together? 8 straight. Bron wouldn't get his Dad offed or have Stern force him to retire. :lol
Pippen would be the one posting up I'll say that much about Lebron

[Michael Jordan.]

Damn you motherfuckers mean to tell me LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs in that weak ass East until he got Mike Brown as coach? :lmao :lmao :lmao

[FrostKing]

LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD :lol
Jordan better on the ball defending. Better around picks. Better change of pace. Higher elevation. Superior at anticipating. Better offensive shot, by a significant margin.

[LkrFan]

Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.

Jordan wasn't good enough to go to the NBA straight outta high school like Kobe, Bron, KG, T-Mac, etc. Why is that son?

[Dirks_Finale]

damn :lol headshot tbh..

Too easy :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs without this man? :lmao

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ57hrg8g_WOuYa6kG7QgUy2HP-EBycVnuISLMAtikIjqimP7M90zSWMkQ30g&s

[LkrFan]

Jordan better on the ball defending. Better around picks. Better change of pace. Higher elevation. Superior at anticipating. Better offensive shot, by a significant margin.

The bolded is absurd. The rest is debatable.

Put into context, Bron dominated far superior perimeter defenders/competition. Imagine Bron in the 80s/90s being defended by plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers like MJ did at least 60 games a year :lol Maybe 22 times a year he played someone even in his stratosphere, athletically. I'd love to see John Starks or Craig Ehlo try to guard the Kang :lmao

[LkrFan]

LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs without this man? :lmao

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ57hrg8g_WOuYa6kG7QgUy2HP-EBycVnuISLMAtikIjqimP7M90zSWMkQ30g&s

Jordan had a hell of a luxury Bron never had:
https://twitter.com/DVDJXX/status/1264591210938863616?s=19

1 playoff win without Pippen
9 playoff losses without Pippen

PATHETIC :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Jordan had a hell of a luxury Bron never had:
https://twitter.com/DVDJXX/status/1264591210938863616?s=19

1 playoff win without Pippen
9 playoff losees without Pippen

PATHETIC :lol
LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs without Mike Brown :lmao

[LkrFan]

Pippen would be the one posting up I'll say that much about Lebron

They both would eat, lock players down, dish, etc. They woulda been awesome (hypothetically).

[LkrFan]

LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs without Mike Brown :lmao

Pip did ALL the dirty work. Jordan got the glory.

Explain to me how Pip led the Bulls to 55 wins with Pete Myers at SG while Jordan was playing baseball? Jordan never won that many games without Pippen. Facts.

[Michael Jordan.]

2-12 in the Finals without Wade, Kyrie, Bosh

[DAF86]

MJ is the GOAT. He has the metrics and the narrative to support this claim. But he is far from untouchable as some might try to suggest. The fact that he was lucky enough for his franchise to draft Pippen and hire Jackson as coach was a huge advantage that a guy like Lebron, for example, didn't have. Lebron had to go to Miami to join his Pippen and never in his life got a coach even half as good as Jackson. Those significant help advantages play a huge part in people's perception. "Oh, Lebron is a pussy, he had to go to Miami to win something" blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, MJ needed his franchise to draft the second best wingman in the league and hire the best coach in history for him to start winning.

Every player needs help, no matter how great. If MJ was stucked in Lebron's Cleveland situation all his life, he would have probably be seen as a deeply talented sociopath that could never win anything because he was too selfish, drove people away and had a gambling problem.

[LkrFan]

MJ is the GOAT. He has the metrics and the narrative to support this claim. But he is far from untouchable as some might try to suggest. The fact that he was lucky enough for his franchise to draft Pippen and hire Jackson as coach was a huge advantage that a guy like Lebron, for example, didn't have. Lebron had to go to Miami to join his Pippen and never in his life got a coach even half as good as Jackson. Those significant help advantages play a huge part in people's perception. "Oh, Lebron is a pussy, he had to go to Miami to win something" blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, MJ needed his franchise to draft the second best wingman in the league and hice the best coach in history for him to start winning.

Every player needs help, no matter how great. If MJ was stucked in Lebron's Cleveland situation all his life, he would have probably be seen as a deeply talented sociopath that could never win anything because he was too selfish, drove people away and had a gambling problem.

Correction: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished. Won just as many titles. More MVPs. More points. Etcetera etcetera.

Won more in grade school and collegiately as well. Jabbar is the GOAT. Bron #2.

[Michael Jordan.]

MJ is the GOAT. He has the metrics and the narrative to support this claim. But he is far from untouchable as some might try to suggest. The fact that he was lucky enough for his franchise to draft Pippen and hire Jackson as coach was a huge advantage that a guy like Lebron, for example, didn't have. Lebron had to go to Miami to join his Pippen and never in his life got a coach even half as good as Jackson. Those significant help advantages play a huge part in people's perception. "Oh, Lebron is a pussy, he had to go to Miami to win something" blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, MJ needed his franchise to draft the second best wingman in the league and hice the best coach in history for him to start winning.

Every player needs help, no matter how great. If MJ was stucked in Lebron's Cleveland situation all his life, he would have probably be seen as a deeply talented sociopath that could never win anything because he was too selfish, drove people away and had a gambling problem.
Who came to Cleveland to Join LeBron?

[FrostKing]

The bolded is absurd. The rest is debatable.

Put into context, Bron dominated far superior perimeter defenders/competition. Imagine Bron in the 80s/90s being defended by plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers like MJ did at least 60 games a year :lol Maybe 22 times a year he played someone even in his stratosphere, athletically. I'd love to see John Starks or Craig Ehlo try to guard the Kang :lmao
Not sure Lebron would play in the perimeter back then. Be forced downlow. Probably less winning but better player forced to develop moves.

[Dirks_Finale]

Jordan could hang in the air longer than anyone I have ever seen including, Lebron. And he had those Kawhi Leonard type claws on him. Allowed him to do quite a bit with the basketball like make impossible shots on a regular basis....

How do you figure Lebron was more durable? Jordan had 1 injury forcing him to miss significant time. Lebron missed quite a bit his first year in L.A. Other than that 1 year for both of them, they have both been iron men.

Note: Jordan was 40 when he got hurt with the Wiz. Lebron wont even make it that far so its a non sequitur.
I would say they both have incredible durability.


LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Correction: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished. Won just as many titles. More MVPs. More points. Etcetera etcetera.

Won more in grade school and collegiately as well. Jabbar is the GOAT. Bron #2.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/c972f01549cfeb41af2d5abbc42bc21c/tenor.gif?itemid=5536534

[FrostKing]

Correction: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished. Won just as many titles. More MVPs. More points. Etcetera etcetera.

Won more in grade school and collegiately as well. Jabbar is the GOAT. Bron #2.
Minus points for leaving city. Chicago is regional rival with Milwaukee.

But Kareem is my clear cut #2

[Dirks_Finale]

Correction: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished. Won just as many titles. More MVPs. More points. Etcetera etcetera.

Won more in grade school and collegiately as well. Jabbar is the GOAT. Bron #2.

Kareem over MJ is an argument that could be had. Wilt, maybe, as well. But Lebron? :lol Not so much :lol

[LkrFan]

Who came to Cleveland to Join LeBron?

AD came to LA to join him. :toast

Jordan taught Donkey how to beg for a superstar after a playoff loss. After Horace Grant kicked his ass, he went out and got Rodman - ANOTHER HOF player he needed to win. No Rodman? He's light 3 and you know it.

[DAF86]

Also, stop it with the retarded "unbeaten in the finals" shit. Losing in the finals is better than losing before them. If you want to stop people realizing your poor reasoning skills, stop beating that drum.

[LkrFan]

Kareem over MJ is an argument that could be had. Wilt, maybe, as well. But Lebron? :lol Not so much :lol

Why not? Because Jordan had a better teammate than Bron ever did and beat lesser competition in the Finals? Jordan NEVER beat a super team in the playoffs. Yes, Bird's Celtics were a super team that swept his Arrogantness TWICE. But Bron gets beat down for losing twice to the Dubs? 2017 Dubs would beat the 96 Bulls too.

[FrostKing]

Also, stop it with the retarded "unbeaten in the finals" shit. Losing in the finals is better than losing before them. If you want to stop people realizing your poor reasoning skills, stop beating that drum.
1991-1998

1 season out
1 handshake as loser

[DAF86]

Who came to Cleveland to Join LeBron?

What's your point? Who went to Chicago to help Jordan? All the help Jordan got was thanks to great FO moves in drafts, trades and hires.

[LkrFan]

Minus points for leaving city. Chicago is regional rival with Milwaukee.

But Kareem is my clear cut #2

He didn't leave in free agency, Logo traded for him.

[DAF86]

1991-1998

1 season out
1 handshake as loser

Do you want people noticing your poor reasoning skills?

[LkrFan]

What's your point? Who went to Chicago to help Jordan? All the help Jordan got was thanks to great FO moves un drafts, traded and hires.

^ Facts

[LkrFan]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c972f01549cfeb41af2d5abbc42bc21c/tenor.gif?itemid=5536534

Ring count? Russell has 11. What's your point?

[LkrFan]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c972f01549cfeb41af2d5abbc42bc21c/tenor.gif?itemid=5536534

Kareem has 6 titles as well. More MVPs and 3 national championships (to your 1).

[DAF86]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c972f01549cfeb41af2d5abbc42bc21c/tenor.gif?itemid=5536534

I always wondered where is that GIF from. Bulls won their 6th in Utah, using the red unis. Or is the Mandela effect playing a trick on me?

[Michael Jordan.]

What's your point? Who went to Chicago to help Jordan? All the help Jordan got was thanks to great FO moves in drafts, trades and hires.
Yeah LeBron was busy getting his buddies like Tristan Thompson paid and hamstringing the salary cap and then crying that he didn’t have enough help

[FrostKing]

Since Lebron joined the Lakers, this current player bias has intensified and he hasn't even made the playoffs

[Michael Jordan.]

AD came to LA to join him. :toast

Jordan taught Donkey how to beg for a superstar after a playoff loss. After Horace Grant kicked his ass, he went out and got Rodman - ANOTHER HOF player he needed to win. No Rodman? He's light 3 and you know it.
Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis. And still a 3-6 finals record. Maybe it’s not the teammates.....

[FrostKing]

I always wondered where is that GIF from. Bulls won their 6th in Utah, using the red unis. Or is the Mandela effect playing a trick on me?
This is 1997. Jordan is flirting with fans about returning. It wasn't guaranteed. Last Dance was arguably an encore. Argument against a 4th attempt.

[LkrFan]

Yeah LeBron was busy getting his buddies like Tristan Thompson paid and hamstringing the salary cap and then crying that he didn’t have enough help

Kareem twice beat the team that swept the Bulls twice. Think about that son.

Jabbar > JordanPERIOD.

[Dirks_Finale]

You could have plugged several lunch pal type players in there and still won a ring or two during that time frame. They were ready made, just lacking a dirty work player.

Kurt Thomas
Otis Thorpe
Robert Horry
Anthony Mason
Antonio Mcdyess

Just to name a handful. Rodman just happened to be better than all of them.



AD came to LA to join him. :toast

Jordan taught Donkey how to beg for a superstar after a playoff loss. After Horace Grant kicked his ass, he went out and got Rodman - ANOTHER HOF player he needed to win. No Rodman? He's light 3 and you know it.

[Michael Jordan.]

Kareem twice beat the team that swept the Bulls twice. Think about that son.

Jabbar > JordanPERIOD.
LeBron as the head dog lost to the team that Dwayne Wade beat as the head dog. WITH Wade. Think about that.

[LkrFan]

Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis. And still a 3-6 finals record. Maybe it’s not the teammates.....

Big whoop.

2016 Dubs
2017 Dubs
2018 Dubs

ALL better than the Finals competition Jordan ever faced. Facts.

And that 2017 Dubs team would beat the 96 Bulls team. Bron is 1-2 vs super teams. Jordan has no wins vs a super team.

[FrostKing]

You could have plugged several lunch pal type players in there and still won a ring or two during that time frame. They were ready made, just lacking a dirty work player.

Kurt Thomas
Otis Thorpe
Robert Horry
Anthony Mason
Antonio Mcdyess

Just to name a handful. Rodman just happened to be better than all of them.



Go look at those games in 95 vs ORL. Bulls could not secure a rebound when it mattered.
Give and take. A weaker defender means more defensive duty for Michael but lighter load on offense. Jordan was just such an efficient scorer the Bulls went with MJ+Kukoc+Pippen/Bench. 80 points.

[Dirks_Finale]

Lebron gets beat down for losing to the 1 star Mavs in 2011...and scoring 8 points in one of those games :lol

And in 2014 losing in record fashion to the spurs...this after he formed a superteam to get not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 but 8 titles :lol

This is not alpha male type accomplishments on the basketball court :lol In the words of George Carlin, these are the type of results you'd expect from intern with a bad attitude.


Why not? Because Jordan had a better teammate than Bron ever did and beat lesser competition in the Finals? Jordan NEVER beat a super team in the playoffs. Yes, Bird's Celtics were a super team that swept his Arrogantness TWICE. But Bron gets beat down for losing twice to the Dubs? 2017 Dubs would beat the 96 Bulls too.

[Michael Jordan.]

Btw, who did LeBron even make better as players? Hell, Pippen got better playing with me. Bosh and Love were relegated to three point shooters with LeBron. Lakers built a team around LeBron last year and missed the playoffs. Ol boy needs All Stars :lol

[FrostKing]

Big whoop.

2016 Dubs
2017 Dubs
2018 Dubs

ALL better than the Finals competition Jordan ever faced. Facts.

And that 2017 Dubs team would beat the 96 Bulls team. Bron is 1-2 vs super teams. Jordan has no wins vs a super team.
Warriors have no post presence. Rodman and Kukoc would exploit.

Heatles better matchup.

[LkrFan]

You could have plugged several lunch pal type players in there and still won a ring or two during that time frame. They were ready made, just lacking a dirty work player.

Kurt Thomas
Otis Thorpe
Robert Horry
Anthony Mason
Antonio Mcdyess

Just to name a handful. Rodman just happened to be better than all of them.



Go look at those games in 95 vs ORL. Bulls could not secure a rebound when it mattered.

Oh I know - good post BTW. The Last Dance made it seem like MJ was infallible.

Lakers and/or the Celtics were in the Finals 8 times in the 80s. Why didn't Jordan win then? Perhaps he wasn't good enough.

He didn't win until Jabbar retired :lol

[LkrFan]

Warriors have no post presence. Rodman and Kukoc would exploit.

Rodman is a great post defender. How would he be chasing around Curry or Klay? You know Kerr would make him switch off KD. Let's not act like Jordan was some spring chicken either in 1996. All major players on that 2017 Dubs team were in their primes. 2017 Dubs in 5.

[DAF86]

Yeah LeBron was busy getting his buddies like Tristan Thompson paid and hamstringing the salary cap and then crying that he didn’t have enough help

If it was up to Jordan, Doug Collins would have coached him all his life and Jackson would have never got a chance. The luck of having a FO that knows what's better for you, tbh.

[Dirks_Finale]

I'm on the other side of the debate, but disagree with this.

Lebron elevated the play of a scrubs like Matthew Delavedova. (spelling?) Some guy name Boobie (Daniel Gibson) and others. He does make players better. He just ldoesn't have the killer instinct and drive that MJ had.


Btw, who did LeBron even make better as players? Hell, Pippen got better playing with me. Bosh and Love were relegated to three point shooters with LeBron. Lakers built a team around LeBron last year and missed the playoffs. Ol boy needs All Stars :lol

[LkrFan]

Btw, who did LeBron even make better as players? Hell, Pippen got better playing with me. Bosh and Love were relegated to three point shooters with LeBron. Lakers built a team around LeBron last year and missed the playoffs. Ol boy needs All Stars :lol

34K points
8K rebounds
8K assists

You even said a few posts ago that he got Tristan Kardashian paid. But now he doesn't make his teammates better? And who scored on those 8K assists?

Say it with me: Pippen made Jordan's teammates better.

[FrostKing]

Rodman is a great post defender. How would he be chasing around Curry or Klay? You know Kerr would make him switch off KD. Let's not act like Jordan was some spring chicken either in 1996. All major players on that 2017 Dubs team were in their primes. 2017 Dubs in 5.
PG: Curry
SG: Klay
SF: AI
PF: Durant
C: Green


Rodman would guard Durant. Toni takes Green's picks. Pippen helps on Michael/Harper.

[Dirks_Finale]

Oh I know - good post BTW. The Last Dance made it seem like MJ was infallible.

Lakers and/or the Celtics were in the Finals 8 times in the 80s. Why didn't Jordan win then? Perhaps he wasn't good enough.

He didn't win until Jabbar retired :lol

In all fairness that was not objective journalism or anything :lol It was Jordan telling us what he wanted us to hear. Still enjoyed it, though.

[DAF86]

Warriors have no post presence. Rodman and Kukoc would exploit.

Heatles better matchup.

Don't care to get in the whole Warriors/Bulls argument. But how are Kukoc and Rodman suppossed to "exploit" the post? Kukoc is a finesse perimeter player and Rodman was a non-factor offensively.

[LkrFan]

22 year old Bron had no business in the Finals. Of course he lost to the Spurs. What was 22 year old Jordan doing - oh that's right: getting swept by Bird in the 1st round. But at least it wasn't a Finals loss :lol

[FrostKing]

Don't care to get in the whole Warriors/Bulls argument. But how are Kukoc and Rodman suppossed to "exploit" the post? Kukoc is a finesse perimeter player and Rodman was a non-factor offensively.
Rodman guards their most versatile offensive weapon. 14+ rebounds

Kukoc is guarded by Green. Further weakening the post by pulling him out.

[Dirks_Finale]

The big question is what rules are they playing by?

If it's 90's rough and rugged ball, Bulls win hands down. Rodman would terrify KD and probably limit him to 15 pgg on 30% shooting. In fact, KD would probably suck his thumb on the bench and retire after the series ended.


PG: Curry
SG: Klay
SF: AI
PF: Durant
C: Green


Rodman would guard Durant. Toni takes Green's picks. Pippen helps on Michael/Harper.

[LkrFan]

In all fairness that was not objective journalism or anything :lol It was Jordan telling us what he wanted us to hear. Still enjoyed it, though.

:lol

No lie, I didn't watch even 1 episode. I am on Twitter a lot - so I got the basic premise.

Our country is suffering right now. Especially with no sports. What does Jordan do? Tryna play on simpletons emotions. He ain't slick :lol

[140]

Quite pathetic how Jamirez has turned into a lebron knob slobber after shitting on him forever :lol dude has zero convictions tbh.. but then again thats laker fans in a nutshell so not really surprised

[LkrFan]

And let's talk about Air Jaundice taste in women
https://imagez.tmz.com/image/0a/4by3/2013/09/26/0aaadaccc2ae55e1a40cc5dddc40bd35_xl.jpg

Is he still making moose support payments? :rollin :lmao :rollin

[FrostKing]

The big question is what rules are they playing by?

If it's 90's rough and rugged ball, Bulls win hands down. Rodman would terrify KD and probably limit him to 15 pgg on 30% shooting. In fact, KD would probably suck his thumb on the bench and retire after the series ended.
Do I get to choose 1991 MJ in this matchup

[Dirks_Finale]

And let's talk about Air Jaundice

:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Well, yeah, but you must swap Rodman for Horace.


Do I get to choose 1991 MJ in this matchup

[FrostKing]

And let's talk about Air Jaundice taste in women
https://imagez.tmz.com/image/0a/4by3/2013/09/26/0aaadaccc2ae55e1a40cc5dddc40bd35_xl.jpg

Is he still making moose support payments? :rollin :lmao :rollin
:lol

Get this L.A. TMZ shit outta here

[Michael Jordan.]

1265052752994086919

:lmao LeBron’s East

[DAF86]

1265052752994086919

:lmao LeBron’s East

Why cherrypick just Jordan's first three seasons? :lol

Of course the record will be inflated thanks to the Bulls being a lower seeded team facing the best the East had to offer. Put all the Bulls first round opponents and see ir all those 8th seeded teams with 10 games under .500 wouldn't drag the winning % down. Dumb biased stat is not subtle at all, tbh. Why even bring it up? :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Why cherrypick just Jordan's first three seasons? :lol

Of course the record will be inflated thanks to the Bulls being a lower seeded team facing the best the East had to offer. Put all the Bulls first round opponents and see ir all those 8th seeded teams with 10 games under .500 wouldn't drag the winning % down. Dumb biased stat is not subtle at all, tbh. Why even bring it up? :lol
Why cherry pick first round records over FINALS records?

[Michael Jordan.]

I guess getting swept twice in the finals isn’t a good look

[LkrFan]

Quite pathetic how Jamirez has turned into a lebron knob slobber after shitting on him forever :lol dude has zero convictions tbh.. but then again thats laker fans in a nutshell so not really surprised

:lol

Couple things:

1) Bron is a Laker. All past sins are forgotten :lol

2) I NEVER liked Jordan.

3) I once cheered on Mailman too when he donned the P&G - bite me :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol

Get this L.A. TMZ shit outta here

:lol

[DAF86]

Why cherry pick first round records over FINALS records?

I don't know who cherry picked first round over finals, but that still doesn't excuse that blatant skewing of numbers, tbh. :lol

[140]

:lol

Couple things:

1) Bron is a Laker. All past sins are forgotten :lol

2) I NEVER liked Jordan.

3) I once cheered on Mailman too when he donned the P&G - bite me :lol
You can still root for the team without becoming a bigger lebron ass kisser than chink nation tbh son :lol

[LkrFan]

You can still root for the team without becoming a bigger lebron ass kisser than chink nation tbh son :lol

:lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

Would the 91 Finals have anything to do with that? :lol


:lol

Couple things:

1) Bron is a Laker. All past sins are forgotten :lol

2) I NEVER liked Jordan.

3) I once cheered on Mailman too when he donned the P&G - bite me :lol

[FrostKing]

First Round

Opponent W-L

Data mining has come a long way

[LkrFan]

I guess getting swept twice in the finals isn’t a good look

Who would you rather: 35 year old LBJ or 35 year old TOSB Jordan tbh? :lol

[LkrFan]

Would the 91 Finals have anything to do with that? :lol

:lol

Nah - he didn't win jack until Jabbar retired. Jabbar kept Jordan ringlessPERIOD :lol

Oh and the Guests were supposed to be there, not the over the hill Lakers and a rookie Divac tbh :lol

[FrostKing]

:lol

Nah - he didn't win jack until Jabbar retired. Jabbar kept Jordan ringlessPERIOD :lol

Oh and the Guests were supposed to be there, not the over the hill Lakers and a rookie Divac tbh :lol
Lakers have half the Top 10. So butthurt over the best one being a 3rd pick that climbed the ladder to create a Dynasty in one of Americas most influential cities. The Bulls were known in every corner of the globe I visited. A representation of what hard work and teamwork could accomplish in America

[Dirks_Finale]

Over the hill Lakers -- all I heard about them was how 'experienced' they were, especially after they won game 1 :lol

Loved Sam Perkins, BTW. Big Smooth!!


:lol

Nah - he didn't win jack until Jabbar retired. Jabbar kept Jordan ringlessPERIOD :lol

Oh and the Guests were supposed to be there, not the over the hill Lakers and a rookie Divac tbh :lol

[LkrFan]

Lakers have half the Top 10. So butthurt over the best one being a 3rd pick that climbed the ladder to create a Dynasty in one of Americas most influential cities. The Bulls were known in every corner of the globe I visited. A representation of what hard work and teamwork could accomplish in America

Butthurt over Jordan? Please. He won after Bird's back went out and Jabbar retired. Who cares about Jordan tbh. Fun debate though :lol

[LkrFan]

Over the hill Lakers -- all I heard about them was how 'experienced' they were, especially after they won game 1 :lol

Loved Sam Perkins, BTW. Big Smooth!!

Divac replaced Jabbar. We didn't have 1988 James Worthy. Magic had HIV. We were up against it tbh :lol

[LkrFan]

I guess getting swept twice in the finals isn’t a good look

Explain yourself son
https://twitter.com/BSO/status/1265063643407962115?s=19

Why did you lie on Zeke? SMH

[LkrFan]

If Zeke plays I'm not playing :cry

[LkrFan]

Old Piss Eyes lied to his base. Like Trump. We should call him Air Dennison :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol

:lol

[daslicer]

:lol

Couple things:

1) Bron is a Laker. All past sins are forgotten :lol

2) I NEVER liked Jordan.

3) I once cheered on Mailman too when he donned the P&G - bite me :lol

:lol

[LkrFan]

Jaundice blackballed Zeke. SMH

[LkrFan]

:lol

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/cjanthony99/status/1265064293839634435?s=19

"Republicans buy sneakers too!" :rollin :lmao :rollin

[FrostKing]

Old Piss Eyes lied to his base. Like Trump. We should call him Air Dennison :lol
1990s America

You didn't leave it

[Dirks_Finale]

Old Piss Eyes lied to his base. Like Trump. We should call him Air Dennison :lol

you are on a roll today :lol :lol

[DAF86]

Also, what's the deal with the bloodshot eyes? Dude couldn't get a good night's sleep before filming the documentary? Couldn't the documentary creators cover that shit up with some technology like they did with 80% of Jordan's behind the scene stories?

[LkrFan]

you are on a roll today :lol :lol

:lmao

[LkrFan]

Jordan's competition was a smidge better than this
https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1265079742929211394?s=19

The 1998 Jazz defenders looked just like these guys :lol

[lefty]

1on1 Era was clearly more difficult to defend. Now whether Hero ball is more attractive for the common fan is debatable.

That is why Leonard is dominating today. He's a strong 1on1 player.

Lol clearly you’ve never played basketball

[lefty]

Jordan's competition was a smidge better than this
https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1265079742929211394?s=19

The 1998 Jazz defenders looked just like these guys :lol

Those are actually the 98 Jazz

[FrostKing]

Lol clearly you’ve never played basketball
"Trapping in the corner is hard Coach"

[lefty]

"Trapping in the corner is hard Coach"

Neither have you :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Who would you rather: 35 year old LBJ or 35 year old TOSB Jordan tbh? :lol
Not like LeBron is winning anything this year anyway

[Michael Jordan.]

Butthurt over Jordan? Please. He won after Bird's back went out and Jabbar retired. Who cares about Jordan tbh. Fun debate though :lol
Imagine being scared to post up JJ Barea and Jason Kidd :lol

[lefty]

Imagine being scared to post up JJ Barea and Jason Kidd :lol

:lol imagine letting your teammate guard the opposition’s best plumber during your whole career

[Michael Jordan.]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronkawhi.gif


Damn, flat out scared

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol


https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronkawhi.gif


Damn, flat out scared

[LkrFan]

Those are actually the 98 Jazz

:lmao

[LkrFan]

:lol imagine letting your teammate guard the opposition’s best plumber during your whole career

:lol

[LkrFan]

Hey .Michael Jordan get your hummingbird ass in here and :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
https://twitter.com/NotScTop10plays/status/1265065559919656960?s=09


Why was this NOT in the Last Dance? You lie more than 45 :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Hey .Michael Jordan (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3) get your hummingbird ass in here and :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
https://twitter.com/NotScTop10plays/status/1265065559919656960?s=09


Why was this NOT in the Last Dance? You lie more than 45 :lol

Whether he was on the team or not we weren’t winning bronze like LeBron :lol

[FrostKing]

Whether he was on the team or not we weren’t winning bronze like LeBron :lol
Post 9/11 NBA players tbh

[lefty]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronkawhi.gif


Damn, flat out scared

Well he wasn’t playing against Ehlo or Majetle :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Well he wasn’t playing against Ehlo or Majetle :lol
Right. Just a nigga who sniffs his fingers after he takes a shit.

[FrostKing]

Well he wasn’t playing against Ehlo or Majetle :lol
I can only imagine Lebron's fragile psyche after Ehlo took him baseline