Joe Biden was the right pick for Democrats

[ElNono]

He is supporting a dude who at the very least, attempted to sexually assault Tara Reade.

Don't get it wrong, I don't support Biden. I actually despise Biden, everything he represents, and made myself very clear on that here, and I'm still on the fence whether I'm going to vote at all.

The only reason I'm considering to vote is to cast a protest vote against this administration.

I'm also in California now, my vote really doesn't matter much at all either.

[Reck]

He is supporting a dude who at the very least, attempted to sexually assault Tara Reade.

:lol

She has her own problems, too. A serial liar.

None of which should affect the rest of us or how he runs the country if elected.

All of your points are well taken, but wouldn't it be better to get rid of a wannabe tyrant first before you attempt to make changes from the ground up? As has been said before, I dont think Biden is here for the long haul. 2024 is a better starting point without having to deal with a guy who wants to run this country like an authoritharian asshole.

[Spurminator]

So what do you want to happen, based on where we are today, Iron Mexican?

[IronMexican]

:lol

She has her own problems, too. A serial liar.

None of which should affect the rest of us or how he runs the country if elected.

All of your points are well taken, but wouldn't it be better to get rid of a wannabe tyrant first before you attempt to make changes from the ground up? As has been said before, I dont think Biden is here for the long haul. 2024 is a better starting point without having to deal with a guy who wants to run this country like an authoritharian asshole.

:lol

Trump as seriously rotted your lib brain.

"Who cares if he raped" is exactly what you just said.

[IronMexican]

Strategically speaking, if he doesn't choose a black VP right now he probably deserves to lose.

:lmao Yes, get Kamala. Not like she hasn't locked up thousands of blacks.

[Reck]

:lol

Trump as seriously rotted your lib brain.

"Who cares if he raped" is exactly what you just said.

Not at all what I'm saying but ok, it's clear where you stand regardless.

[IronMexican]

So what do you want to happen, based on where we are today, Iron Mexican?

I want the DNC to move left, for once. And not some fake bullshit, like these policies that Biden is "pushing" that wont reach the floor. I know it wont happen, and I've made my peace with it. I am just not going to "vote for the lesser of two evils". If every vote I cast from here till the day I die is a thoraway vote, then that's what I'll do. Progressive policies are always going to end up on the shit end of the stick so long as we allow Nestle/Bezos and other corporations to run this country

[IronMexican]

:lol

She has her own problems, too. A serial liar.

None of which should affect the rest of us or how he runs the country if elected.

All of your points are well taken, but wouldn't it be better to get rid of a wannabe tyrant first before you attempt to make changes from the ground up? As has been said before, I dont think Biden is here for the long haul. 2024 is a better starting point without having to deal with a guy who wants to run this country like an authoritharian asshole.

:lol

[Reck]

:lol

But I dont think he raped. It's been my stance from the start.

The ensuing stories and revelations that have come out about her are just reenforcements of her chronic lying to get what she wants. That's been discussed to death here though already.

[IronMexican]

You're right, he didn't rape. He just tried to pressure her into having sex with him and inappropriately touched her. Sexual harassment

[IronMexican]

And 4 years from now, or even 8, you guys will still be handed a center right candidate for the primary, and you guys will still say "XYZ is too dangerous. we have to vote for ____"

Maybe the next one willl be able to put a full, coherent sentence together, though, because that's something libs or the right aren't ready for, judging by the two sacks of flesh we have out there right now.

[Will Hunting]

Before I saw how bad Trump was at crisis management, I was hoping for a Trump re-election and the Democrats taking the senate to prevent more conservative judges. That would have led to complete gridlock for 4 years and a blue waive in 2022 + 2024. Now that I've seen how fucked up this country can get with just 4 years of Trump, I'll hold my breath and vote for Jim Crow Joe.

[Spurminator]

I want the DNC to move left, for once. And not some fake bullshit, like these policies that Biden is "pushing" that wont reach the floor. I know it wont happen, and I've made my peace with it. I am just not going to "vote for the lesser of two evils". If every vote I cast from here till the day I die is a thoraway vote, then that's what I'll do. Progressive policies are always going to end up on the shit end of the stick so long as we allow Nestle/Bezos and other corporations to run this country

I gathered from the rest of your posts that you want Democrats to move left, but I'm asking what you think should happen right now in order for that to start happening in the near future. In other words, how do we get to a viable left wing party?

[IronMexican]

I gathered from the rest of your posts that you want Democrats to move left, but I'm asking what you think should happen right now in order for that to start happening in the near future. In other words, how do we get to a viable left wing party?

I wouldn't know how to. Bernie had an entire movement and the MSM just scared people into believing he was unelectable. So I don't have an answer for that, and maybe there isn't one

[boutons_deux]

America under the indoctrination of the last several decades simply cannot move left.

People believe, ignorantly but indoctrination/religion makes you ignorant, that neoliberal, unregulated "lassez-faire" Capitalism is the only and best way to organize society.

The corporate model, aka the hammer with which to hit every nail, should be applied to govt and universities.

The Dems, supposedly the part of the Have-Nots, are as owned and operated by BigDonor the Repugs.

So there really is not hope for America, fucked and unfuckable, in permanent decline, a failed state.

Could happen: Dems keep the House by a large margin, and take the WH and Senate with 51+ seats.

NOTHING will change, since the Dems will do nothing that upsets their BigDonor class.

[ElNono]

The DNC will have to implode for any meaningful change, tbh... you would've thought '16 was a warning sign, but they keep doubling down on stupid.

Again, water under bridge right now. Hopefully if they lose again in November, there's some sort of wake up call.

[David Hogg]

I wouldn't know how to. Bernie had an entire movement and the MSM just scared people into believing he was unelectable. So I don't have an answer for that, and maybe there isn't one
:lmao @ the bullshit being pushed at you.

”Just vote for our centrist establishment guy this ONE LAST TIME, and we PROMISE we’ll go more progressive in the future. Like super duper pinky swear promise!”

We already fell for that bullshit in 2016.

The only logical reason to go Biden is because of RBG’s seat. There is nothing else. He is a dogshit candidate that nobody with actual dignity and self respect should be enthusiastic about, but unfortunately we are at such a massive crossroads that you probably just gotta suck it up and go for him. And then NEVER AGAIN, especially when they pull this same fucking bullshit 4 years from now. “Vote for Klobuchar because Tom Cotton is so much more dangerous!” and on and on and on.

Fuck establishment Democrats.

[Will Hunting]

The DNC will have to implode for any meaningful change, tbh... you would've thought '16 was a warning sign, but they keep doubling down on stupid.

Again, water under bridge right now. Hopefully if they lose again in November, there's some sort of wake up call.
There won’t be. In 2024 the message will be “Nominate recently converted Democrat Jeb Bush. He’s even more of a Republican than Biden and Clinton were and he can win the center!”

[IronMexican]

The only logical reason to go Biden is because of RBG’s seat. T

She should have retired in 2016, but she wantd her crowning jewel moment to be Hillary picking her replacement. It's funny how that's what they want to use now, though.

[Will Hunting]

She should have retired in 2016, but she wantd her crowning jewel moment to be Hillary picking her replacement. It's funny how that's what they want to use now, though.
2013 imo. If she retired in 2016 Cocaine Mitch would have blocked her replacement the same way he blocked Scalia’s replacement.

[David Hogg]

She should have retired in 2016, but she wantd her crowning jewel moment to be Hillary picking her replacement. It's funny how that's what they want to use now, though.
RBG is for sure a pompous, self-important cunt, but unfortunately if she dies with Trump in office, we’re all fucked beyond all comprehension.

[IronMexican]

2013 imo. If she retired in 2016 Cocaine Mitch would have blocked her replacement the same way he blocked Scalia’s replacement.

:tu

[David Hogg]

2013 imo. If she retired in 2016 Cocaine Mitch would have blocked her replacement the same way he blocked Scalia’s replacement.
I think even Mitch knows there’s no way he could block a Supreme Court seat for 4 years. But he’d sure as hell try.

[Will Hunting]

I think even Mitch knows there’s no way he could block a Supreme Court seat for 4 years. But he’d sure as hell try.
He didn’t have the majority until the 2014 midterms which is why I say 2013. The minute Obama was re-elected Breyer and Ginsburg should have stepped down.

Also when McConnells opposition is a dickless centrist cuckold like Chuck Schumer, he absolutely could block a SCOTUS seat For 4 years if the Republicans have a majority :lol

[Reck]

The DNC will have to implode for any meaningful change, tbh... you would've thought '16 was a warning sign, but they keep doubling down on stupid.

Again, water under bridge right now. Hopefully if they lose again in November, there's some sort of wake up call.

What makes you so sure there will be any norms left if trump wins re-election? If he doesn't try to go full authoritarian by then, then he'll definitely have his whore daughter run with him as VP or some shit like that.

If Trump gets away with all of this and then carries it into a second term. The SCOTUS would be 7-2 at best or 8-1 at worst if not 9 alltogether.

There are no more wakeup calls, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

The fact the Dems didn’t protest at all when McConnell blocked Garland’s selection just shows the establishment Dem arrogance, they were soooooo fucking sure Clinton would beat Trump that they viewed it as a non-issue.

[David Hogg]

What makes you so sure there will be any norms left if trump wins re-election? If he doesn't try to go full authoritarian by then, then he'll definitely have his whore daughter run with him as VP or some shit like that.

If Trump gets away with all of this and then carries it into a second term. The SCOTUS would be 7-2 at best or 8-1 at worst if not 9 alltogether.

There are no more wakeup calls, tbh.
This is the last time your “VOTE FOR OUR CENTRIST OR THE WORLD WILL END” line of bullshit will work. So guilt trip away for now, then after November you all better have a new way of playing ball with progressives.

[Reck]

This is the last time your “VOTE FOR OUR CENTRIST OR THE WORLD WILL END” line of bullshit will work. So guilt trip away for now, then after November you all better have a new way of playing ball with progressives.

Also dont tag yourself as a bunch of socialists. Do some latino and black outreach and you will have a chance.

[Will Hunting]

This is the last time your “VOTE FOR OUR CENTRIST OR THE WORLD WILL END” line of bullshit will work. So guilt trip away for now, then after November you all better have a new way of playing ball with progressives.
Meh wishful thinking. As long as the centrists have their braindead South Carolina n!ggers to swing momentum however they want (before anyone calls me racist, you just nominated a Democrat who openly talks about “tarring and feathering colored people”), it’s not changing. Black millennials are different and actually think for themselves, it’s the black boomers who need to die off.

[Will Hunting]

The BLM crowd really doesn’t seem to grasp how letting Massa Clyburn tell them who to vote for hasn’t really served them well, like at all. When Bernie Sanders got arrested as a civil rights activist Joe Biden was helping Trent Lott make sure public schools didn’t have to integrate.

[David Hogg]

The BLM crowd really doesn’t seem to grasp how letting Massa Clyburn tell them who to vote for hasn’t really served them well, like at all. When Bernie Sanders got arrested as a civil rights activist Joe Biden was helping Trent Lott make sure public schools didn’t have to integrate.
I’ve seen BLM equating Bernie’s arrest to white Instagram ho’s going to protests for a picture :lol all while spamming the one somewhat non-racist speech Biden gave in the 80’s.

Unfortunate how the establishment vilified people who should be their allies, all to get their ass beat by Trump.

[Will Hunting]

I’ve seen BLM equating Bernie’s arrest to white Instagram ho’s going to protests for a picture :lol all while spamming the one somewhat non-racist speech Biden gave in the 80’s.

Unfortunate how the establishment vilified people who should be their allies, all to get their ass beat by Trump.
Yeah that’s what amazing, they didn’t just vote Biden over Bernie, black people genuinely despise Bernie and don’t even know why, they just see spear chucking Donna Brazile and Uncle Clyburn say they should so reflexively they do.

[ChumpDumper]

You guys think blacks were ever going to vote for Bernie?

[ElNono]

What makes you so sure there will be any norms left if trump wins re-election? If he doesn't try to go full authoritarian by then, then he'll definitely have his whore daughter run with him as VP or some shit like that.

If Trump gets away with all of this and then carries it into a second term. The SCOTUS would be 7-2 at best or 8-1 at worst if not 9 alltogether.

There are no more wakeup calls, tbh.

I don't care... If the Dem lose, they need to take a serious look in the mirror, you included. You can only keep pushing the progressives out of your party for so long.

[Will Hunting]

You guys think blacks were ever going to vote for Bernie?
Why are they so against Bernie? You act like there’s this obvious reason that black people wouldn’t like Bernie notwithstanding the fact his record on things like the crime bill are much better than Biden’s.

[weebo]

MAGA Joe Biden 2020:lobt2::flag::lobt2::flag::lobt2:

[koriwhat]

What makes you so sure there will be any norms left if trump wins re-election? If he doesn't try to go full authoritarian by then, then he'll definitely have his whore daughter run with him as VP or some shit like that.

If Trump gets away with all of this and then carries it into a second term. The SCOTUS would be 7-2 at best or 8-1 at worst if not 9 alltogether.

There are no more wakeup calls, tbh.

Lmao you fucking cultist! Damn are you seriously lost...

[FrostKing]

Strategically speaking, if he doesn't choose a black VP right now he probably deserves to lose.
Haha

Scrub those black feet harder

[ChumpDumper]

Why are they so against Bernie? You act like there’s this obvious reason that black people wouldn’t like Bernie notwithstanding the fact his record on things like the crime bill are much better than Biden’s.Superficially it's just a matter of Biden's being Obama's VP. That's really all that was needed against Bernie.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah seriously how would a Trump 2nd term lead to a 9-0 SCOTUS majority for Republicans? Is Trump going to have Sotomayor and Kegan assassinated or something? The fear mongering about what happens if you don’t vote for Jim Crow Joe is getting irrational.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol You guys talking yourselves into voting green?

[Will Hunting]

Superficially it's just a matter of Biden's being Obama's VP. That's really all that was needed against Bernie.
Do you think that’s a thoughtful way to determine who to vote? White people don’t support a candidate just for being the VP for a white president.

”Well Obama picked him as VP, show me no more!”

[David Hogg]

Yeah seriously how would a Trump 2nd term lead to a 9-0 SCOTUS majority for Republicans? Is Trump going to have Sotomayor and Kegan assassinated or something? The fear mongering about what happens if you don’t vote for Jim Crow Joe is getting irrational.
It’s all they have.

VOTE FOR CENTRIST DEMOCRATS OR EVERYONE WILL DIE

[Will Hunting]

:lol You guys talking yourselves into voting green?
I’m voting for Biden, I just find the the centrist Dem talking points annoying.

[David Hogg]

:lol You guys talking yourselves into voting green?
Funny how you go full Derp when it’s convenient.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think that’s a thoughtful way to determine who to vote?No.

What does that change?

[Will Hunting]

No.

What does that change?
Nothing, but if we’re in agreement that it’s a superficial and stupid way to determine who to vote for, then I’m not sure what we’re arguing about.

[ElNono]

The SCOTUS is the least of my concerns, tbh... my only concern is bunker bitch self-proclaiming a banana republic dictator, in which case the SCOTUS doesn't matter.

[ChumpDumper]

Funny how you go full Derp when it’s convenient.Nah, I'm just wondering wher all this grousing is going.

For whom are you planning to vote?

[Spurminator]

Haha

Scrub those black feet harder

I said strategically speaking. I don't personally care about the demographics of the VP choice, except insofar as it helps ensure a victory.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing, but if we’re in agreement that it’s a superficial and stupid way to determine who to vote for, then I’m not sure what we’re arguing about.:lol I wasn't arguing anything.

[FrostKing]

I said strategically speaking. I don't personally care about the demographics of the VP choice, except insofar as it helps ensure a victory.
Understood

[Will Hunting]

It’s all they have.

VOTE FOR CENTRIST DEMOCRATS OR EVERYONE WILL DIE
VOTE FOR HILLARY - SHE MIGHT OUTSOURCE YOUR JOB TO INDIA BUT AT LEAST SHE DIDNT SAY GRAB EM BY THE PUSSY!!!!

[Reck]

Yeah that’s what amazing, they didn’t just vote Biden over Bernie, black people genuinely despise Bernie and don’t even know why, they just see spear chucking Donna Brazile and Uncle Clyburn say they should so reflexively they do.

This is an insane generalization.

Sure some black people will look to their elected leaders to do whatever they tell them to do but tyo just blanketely say all black folks are mindless drones pretty disrespectfull.

If you want to say all of black South Carolinians are dumbfucks who voted according to uncle Clyburn wishes, that's one thing. But to apply it country wide is asinine.

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200229-south-carolina/

Scroll down to the by the numbers stat. They're astounding. Biden won the white vote as well. The 30 and above age etc.

Sanders even lost the ideology battle.

Very liberal (20%): Biden 39%, Sanders 30%, Warren 16%, Steyer 10%

That's nuts.

[Reck]

I don't care... If the Dem lose, they need to take a serious look in the mirror, you included. You can only keep pushing the progressives out of your party for so long.

Sure. At the same time, Sanders types are a no go.

I'm perfectly fine with Warren. At least she showed some flexibility. Whether to her detrement or not, that is what you have to do to win primaries.

[Will Hunting]

This is an insane generalization.

Sure some black people will look to their elected leaders to do whatever they tell them to do but tyo just blanketely say all black folks are mindless drones pretty disrespectfull.

If you want to say all of black South Carolinians are dumbfucks who voted according to uncle Clyburn wishes, that's one thing. But to apply it country wide is asinine.

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200229-south-carolina/

Scroll down to the by the numbers stat. They're astounding. Biden won the white vote as well. The 30 and above age etc.

Sanders even lost the ideology battle.

Very liberal (20%): Biden 39%, Sanders 30%, Warren 16%, Steyer 10%

That's nuts.
The fact he won among the “very liberal” in South Carolina proves my point. Black people who clearly align more with Bernie ideologically than they do Biden still voted for Biden. They’re not looking at the actual issues, they’re voting off what Massa Clyburn and pastors like Creflo Dollar tell them to do.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact he won among the “very liberal” in South Carolina proves my point. Black people who clearly align more with Bernie ideologically than they do Biden still voted for Biden. They’re not looking at the actual issues, they’re voting off what Massa Clyburn and pastors like Creflo Dollar tell them to do.Maybe all those people thought he's got a better chance than the self-proclaimed socialist.

[Reck]

Trump gets re-elected. RBG forced to retire due to old age. 6-3

Breyer follows a couple of years later. 7-2.

These are people in their 80s. One wrong body twist and they're in the morgue. It's not fear, it's reality.

[ChumpDumper]

Trump gets re-elected. RBG forced to retire due to old age. 6-3

Breyer follows a couple of years later. 7-2.

These are people in their 80s. One wrong body twist and they're in the morgue. It's not fear, it's reality.To me arguing that four more years of Trump is fine is saying everything is fine now.

I would disagree with that.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe all those people thought he's got a better chance than the self-proclaimed socialist.
I'm sure that argument getting parroted by CNN/MSNBC despite the fact it didn't work 4 years earlier had a lot to do with people believing it.

[Reck]

To me arguing that four more years of Trump is fine is saying everything is fine now.

I would disagree with that.

The funny and ironic thing for me is that back in 2016-2017 once I accepted Trump would be the president and you still have people overreacting to him saying how he's a dictator and so on I would scuff and laugh at that because I thought our constitution were solid enough to withstand Trump's assault. I was wrong.

Trump has defied the law in this country and is on the verge of saying fuck it with the constitution. I wonder if he does get re-elected and he ends up appointing 2-3 more SCOTUSES that people saying my post is irrational and fearful would see it differently then.

[Will Hunting]

FWIW, I'm voting for Biden largely because I have something to lose if the Republicans completely crater the economy like they did in 2008 or 1929. If I was a working class schmuck making $30,000 a year who declared bankruptcy last year because of overwhelming medical bills, I doubt the "vote for Biden because he's slightly better than Trump!" would really resonate with me.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure that argument getting parroted by CNN/MSNBC despite the fact it didn't work 4 years earlier had a lot to do with people believing it.Do you like how things are going under Trump?

I don't.

[Will Hunting]

The funny and ironic thing for me is that back in 2016-2017 once I accepted Trump would be the president and you still have people overreacting to him saying how he's a dictator and so on I would scuff and laugh at that because I thought our constitution were solid enough to withstand Trump's assault. I was wrong.

Trump has defied the law in this country and is on the verge of saying fuck it with the constitution. I wonder if he does get re-elected and he ends up appointing 2-3 more SCOTUSES that people saying my post is irrational and fearful would see it differently then.
You didn't stop at 7-2, you mentioned 8-1 as 9-0 as possibilities, which I said was irrational. That's what I was commenting on.

[David Hogg]

The funny and ironic thing for me is that back in 2016-2017 once I accepted Trump would be the president and you still have people overreacting to him saying how he's a dictator and so on I would scuff and laugh at that because I thought our constitution were solid enough to withstand Trump's assault. I was wrong.

Trump has defied the law in this country and is on the verge of saying fuck it with the constitution. I wonder if he does get re-elected and he ends up appointing 2-3 more SCOTUSES that people saying my post is irrational and fearful would see it differently then.
And in four years you’ll parrot the same fearmongering for Klobuchar v Cotton

”YOU’RE A SHITTY PERSON WHO HATES CIVILIZED SOCIETY IF YOU DON’T SUPPORT OUR ESTABLISHMENT CENTRIST!”

[Will Hunting]

Do you like how things are going under Trump?

I don't.
Like I said, I'm voting for Biden. If I was a working class voter getting raped by things like private healthcare costs and stagnant wages, I doubt I'd be able to distinguish between the two.

[baseline bum]

I think even Mitch knows there’s no way he could block a Supreme Court seat for 4 years. But he’d sure as hell try.

He'd definitely block it for four years under a President Biden if he had the senate the entire time. 100% he would.

[Reck]

You didn't stop at 7-2, you mentioned 8-1 as 9-0 as possibilities, which I said was irrational. That's what I was commenting on.

So I stretched it a little.

But then again, I did mention if he successfully runs for re-election he would then prop up Ivanka for 2024. She would no doubt continue his fuck up ways.

[Reck]

And in four years you’ll parrot the same fearmongering for Klobuchar v Cotton

”YOU’RE A SHITTY PERSON WHO HATES CIVILIZED SOCIETY IF YOU DON’T SUPPORT OUR ESTABLISHMENT CENTRIST!”

I didn't like Klobuchar this year, but I'm going to like her in the next cycle. Makes sense..

[ChumpDumper]

Like I said, I'm voting for Biden. If I was a working class voter getting raped by things like private healthcare costs and stagnant wages, I doubt I'd be able to distinguish between the two.OK.

[Will Hunting]

So I stretched it a little.

But then again, I did mention if he successfully runs for re-election he would then prop up Ivanka for 2024. She would no doubt continue his fuck up ways.
And I'm sure that after the "win the center with an establishment centrist" strategy goes 0-2 against DJT, you'd be advocating to trot out the same strategy against his daughter in 2024.

[DMC]

In-fighting! Worldstar! Worldstar!

[Will Hunting]

In-fighting! Worldstar! Worldstar!
:lol

[David Hogg]

I didn't like Klobuchar this year, but I'm going to like her in the next cycle. Makes sense..
You’ll like her if the DNC tells you to like her.

[IronMexican]

:lol You guys talking yourselves into voting green?

No, not yet. Really don't like that they only vie for the white house. leaning towards La Riva

[ElNono]

In-fighting! Worldstar! Worldstar!

There's no spinning what an awful candidate Joe is, tbh... I know, he's running against Trump, perhaps the worst president ever, but we're not grading on a curve here.

[IronMexican]

There's no spinning what an awful candidate Joe is, tbh... I know, he's running against Trump, perhaps the worst president ever, but we're not grading on a curve here.

Not even the worst president this century

[ElNono]

Not even the worst president this century

Who you got? Dubya?

[ChumpDumper]

Not even the worst president this centuryIf you're talking about Bushy, at least he took pandemics the most seriously out of the three. If you're talking about someone else, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

[ElNono]

Sorry, I meant Dick Cheney... same thing, really

[Spurminator]

An argument can certainly be made that Dubya was worse but I'm hard pressed to argue that I'd rather have had Trump in the White House on 9/11. At least it was pre-Twitter.

[Reck]

You’ll like her if the DNC tells you to like her.

Why would I?

The only reason I'm so involved in politics these days is because of Trump. I didn't vote in 2008 and barely voted in 2012 because I wanted to exercise my rights for the first time ever.

I have a vested interest in getting rid of Trump. After he's out of here I dont expect to be as politically active as I am now.

So you can take your idiotic narrative and go have a shouting match with koriwhat or something.

[Will Hunting]

You’ll like her if the DNC tells you to like her.
:lol if the DNC can convince people that Biden is a well spoken charismatic politician, they can do it with anyone. Biden is about as mediocre and sleazy as it gets. He's been in Washington for 30+ years and has no signature issues he's passionate about other than awkwardly groping women. There's absolutely nothing about the guy that makes him likable other than the fact he's stupid as fuck so average Americans can relate to him.

At least Klobuchar has things she's passionate about, like throwing staplers at interns and feeding the childhood obesity epidemic by making sure pizza counts as a vegetable for school lunches.

[pgardn]

The blue team almost got to the point they made up nicknames for opponents, it was so close...

Little Marco, lyin Ted ...
It almost went middle school like the red team (ahhh, I should just say Donald; as he IS the red team)

[Will Hunting]

Not even the worst president this century
I used to say the same thing, but Trump's mishandling of COVID-19 has become an even bigger abortion than Operation Iraqi Freedom.

[IronMexican]

If you're talking about Bushy, at least he took pandemics the most seriously out of the three. If you're talking about someone else, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

Still at war in the middle east. Though, I'm sure he or Obama still would have found a reason to interject themselves in the middle east even if 9/11 didn't happen. And Trump's deportations are down compared to Bush and especially Obama.

[ElNono]

An argument can certainly be made that Dubya was worse but I'm hard pressed to argue that I'd rather have had Trump in the White House on 9/11. At least it was pre-Twitter.

Absolutely, and dubya was certainly willing to at least throw a bone with Medicare Part D, tbh. We're talking bottom of the barrel here anyways, and I understand if he felt dubya was worse.

[IronMexican]

I'm sure the effects of COVID will be felt long after, but the Iraq was is the longest war in US history. That's fucking mad. But he came out with Ellen, so he's been completely restored.


I'm sure in 2032, we're gonna miss Trump, cause Tom Cotton is worse, and we will completely restore his status as a "good guy", like W.

[Will Hunting]

Absolutely, and dubya was certainly willing to at least throw a bone with Medicare Part D, tbh. We're talking bottom of the barrel here anyways, and I understand if he felt dubya was worse.
Medicare Part D was a disaster imo, expensive drugs for old people who are ready to die anyway that are only paid for with more deficit spending that does nothing to address cost, the real problem.

[IronMexican]

Still at war in the middle east. Though, I'm sure he or Obama still would have found a reason to interject themselves in the middle east even if 9/11 didn't happen. And Trump's deportations are down compared to Bush and especially Obama.

Unfair to bring up Obama's deportations, though. He was the GOAT at deporting and building the cages that we're so mad Trump is using now. Never gonna reach those type of numbers again.

[ElNono]

Medicare Part D was a disaster imo, expensive drugs for old people who are ready to die anyway that are only paid for with more deficit spending that does nothing to address cost, the real problem.

It was a handout, unpaid for, covering a hole that left old people without medicine anyways. Obviously far from what a real solution looks like, but we're talking a GOP president here, you really can't expect a whole lot more.

[David Hogg]

Spent 8 years calling Bush “literally Hitler”

And now in the Trump era you have to give begrudging compliments to Bush :lmao

Almost like centrist Dem fearmongering has been a massive epidemic for years.

[ChumpDumper]

Still at war in the middle east. Though, I'm sure he or Obama still would have found a reason to interject themselves in the middle east even if 9/11 didn't happen. And Trump's deportations are down compared to Bush and especially Obama.I'd rather have the deportations than the detentions but point taken. Trump's failure to end any conflict shows how difficult all that is and I'd say his bending over to accommodate Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen is pretty much on par with other presidents (not close to Bushy, of course).

[Will Hunting]

What's with all of the Tom Cotton mentions? He's a Republican senator from Arkansas so I just assume he's a piece of shit sanctimonious bible thumping fascist, but is there a story about him or something?

[ElNono]

Unfair to bring up Obama's deportations, though. He was the GOAT at deporting and building the cages that we're so mad Trump is using now. Never gonna reach those type of numbers again.

At least you had sanctuary cities and dreamers...

[IronMexican]

I'd rather have the deportations than the detentions but point taken. Trump's failure to end any conflict shows how difficult all that is and I'd say his bending over to accommodate Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen is pretty much on par with other presidents (not close to Bushy, of course).

You're missing the point where Obama built these cages.


But yes, the Yemen war that started under Obama, that no one really cared about until 2017

[ElNono]

Spent 8 years calling Bush “literally Hitler”

And now in the Trump era you have to give begrudging compliments to Bush :lmao

Almost like centrist Dem fearmongering has been a massive epidemic for years.

Let's be fair here, I thought during the dubya years that's the lowest I was going to see...

https://media.giphy.com/media/hPPx8yk3Bmqys/giphy.gif

[IronMexican]

At least you had sanctuary cities and dreamers...

What are sanctuary cities? Cause I know personally of a friend who had ice come to their house and deport their dad. He had to dye his hair and other BS just to get back. This was in 2012

[ChumpDumper]

Spent 8 years calling Bush “literally Hitler”

And now in the Trump era you have to give begrudging compliments to Bush :lmao

Almost like centrist Dem fearmongering hasn’t been a massive epidemic for years.Iraq was one of the worst foreign policy mistakes since folding to Britain and France in 1919. I gave credit to Bushy's strengths during his presidency but Iraq is still unforgivable, just like Dennison's pandemic response and gassing peaceful protesters.

[Will Hunting]

Spent 8 years calling Bush “literally Hitler”

And now in the Trump era you have to give begrudging compliments to Bush :lmao

Almost like centrist Dem fearmongering has been a massive epidemic for years.
:lol it's literally a repeat of 2004 after the DNC sabotaged Howard Dean's campaign once he got a little too far left for their looking

"I know John Kerry is the most uninteresting eggheaded centrist corporate shill there is to offer, BUT YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF GWB = DOOMSDAY!!!"

[ElNono]

What are sanctuary cities? Cause I know personally of a friend who had ice come to their house and deport their dad. He had to dye his hair and other BS just to get back. This was in 2012

It's certainly no guarantee if you're a mojado, but possibly better than having the police outright deport him for a traffic stop.

[IronMexican]

I think we're going to be going in circles here, now. I stated why I would "throw away" my vote for a third party. If Trump has you that scared, then it's your right to vote for Joe.

[David Hogg]

What's with all of the Tom Cotton mentions? He's a Republican senator from Arkansas so I just assume he's a piece of shit sanctimonious bible thumping fascist, but is there a story about him or something?
He’s been strategically positioning himself as “Trump, but smart” for a couple years now, and with the protests he’s pushed it up a few more notches. Got a bunch of attention for a NYT op-ed that worked perfectly for him.

[IronMexican]

It's certainly no guarantee if you're a mojado, but possibly better than having the police outright deport him for a traffic stop.

I don't think the police deport people here. ICE does detentions throuogh freeaways, and they used to stop buses in the city, but that was long ago, and before I was born.

[ElNono]

I don't think the police deport people here. ICE does detentions throuogh freeaways, and they used to stop buses in the city, but that was long ago, and before I was born.

They don't have to deport, they have to report arrests to ICE, so ICE has a chance to call back and tell them to hold them longer until they can deport them.

That's what sanctuary cities don't do.

[ElNono]

He’s been strategically positioning himself as “Trump, but smart” for a couple years now, and with the protests he’s pushed it up a few more notches. Got a bunch of attention for a NYT op-ed that worked perfectly for him.

Deplorables are intensely suspicious of smart...

[David Hogg]

:lol it's literally a repeat of 2004 after the DNC sabotaged Howard Dean's campaign once he got a little too far left for their looking

"I know John Kerry is the most uninteresting eggheaded centrist corporate shill there is to offer, BUT YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF GWB = DOOMSDAY!!!"
:lmao

NO NO NO, he killed his own campaign for yelling “YEAAAHHH” weird. That’s 100% why! No DNC meddling! He just yelled funny and nobody forgives that!

[David Hogg]

Deplorables are intensely suspicious of smart...
Smart from New York, yes. That’s when you need a dipshit like Trump.

Smart from Arkansas makes them all feel smart.

[IronMexican]

:lmao

NO NO NO, he killed his own campaign for yelling “YEAAAHHH” weird. That’s 100% why! No DNC meddling! He just yelled funny and nobody forgives that!

:lol I remember being a 14 year old and %100 believing this

[ElNono]

Smart from New York, yes. That’s when you need a dipshit like Trump.

Smart from Arkansas makes them all feel smart.

touche :lol

[Will Hunting]

The biggest difference between GWB and Trump to me is that I understand why people liked GWB - at a personal level he seems likeable (i.e., the goofy shit he did standing next to Michelle Obama during that service). I don't understand why people like a douchebag billionaire who's always angry, serious and insecure. Usually scumbag Republicans get elected because they're someone you "want to have a beer with." It'd be fun to have a beer with GWB, but there's absolutely nothing that makes me think Trump is someone you want to have a beer with.

[ElNono]

The biggest difference between GWB and Trump to me is that I understand why people liked GWB - at a personal level he seems likeable (i.e., the goofy shit he did standing next to Michelle Obama during that service). I don't understand why people like a douchebag billionaire who's always angry, serious and insecure. Usually scumbag Republicans get elected because they're someone you "want to have a beer with." It'd be fun to have a beer with GWB, but there's absolutely nothing that makes me think Trump is someone you want to have a beer with.

Don't forget this guy also set the English language back about half a century... I don't think we had such a terrible communicator in my lifetime.

[Spurminator]

Don't forget this guy also set the English language back about half a century... I don't think we had such a terrible communicator in my lifetime.

I honestly don't know whether you're talking about W or Trump here.

[ChumpDumper]

You're missing the point where Obama built these cages.I don't remember his overcrowding them.



But yes, the Yemen war that started under Obama, that no one really cared about until 2017Meh, Trump took det extra step to grease the skids for MBS.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol You'd be saying this regardless of who the Dem nominee was. It's a daily affirmation to distract yourself from the fact that your "side" got hijacked by a cult of racist morons, and you will have to continue to cater to those people to have any chance of staying in power.

People who ran your party twelve years ago are all jumping ship. But sure, you guys are sailing smooth.

Yeah it's true Dubya, Romney and the like are on board with Biden reports say.

and you're happy to have them :lol

lol Party of change

[Will Hunting]

Bush's biggest mistake really was surrounding himself with scumbags and listening to them. I have more sympathy for that than Trump surrounding himself with sychophants and getting rid of any dissenting opinons.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah it's true Dubya, Romney and the like are on board with Biden reports say.

and you're happy to have them :lol

lol Party of change
:lol Democrats celebrating GWB, Romney, and Mattis as heroes.

[Will Hunting]

2008 Message: "Hope and change"

2020 Message: "The people don't really want a revolution, just a milquetoast moderate who can beat Trump and then check into a memory care center"

[ElNono]

I honestly don't know whether you're talking about W or Trump here.

Trump, hands down... like not even close.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah it's true Dubya, Romney and the like are on board with Biden reports say.

and you're happy to have them :lol

lol Party of changeAre you happy with the Trump presidency right now?

[ChumpDumper]

2008 Message: "Hope and change"

2020 Message: "The people don't really want a revolution, just a milquetoast moderate who can beat Trump and then check into a memory care center"Yes, I think most of them rather liked how things were before Trump.

[Spurminator]

:lol Democrats celebrating GWB, Romney, and Mattis as heroes.

You'd rather be on the side that's losing every respected leader they've had in modern times? To each his own I guess.

[Will Hunting]

Yes, I think most of them rather liked how things were before Trump.
The rust belt Dems who voted Obama/Obama/Trump clearly didn't.

[Spurminator]

Yeah it's true Dubya, Romney and the like are on board with Biden reports say.

and you're happy to have them :lol

lol Party of change

You can spin it however you want, the fact is your "side" controlled every branch of the government 3 years ago and is in danger of losing control because they couldn't stop a racist TV celebrity from hijacking the party.

[Will Hunting]

You'd rather be on the side that's losing every respected leader they've had in modern times? To each his own I guess.
I'd rather be on the side that gets its agenda done by any means necessary, even if it means alienating former leaders in their party. This mindset is the problem Democrats have, they don't want to be the party of universal healthcare because it might make Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp upset.

[David Hogg]

You'd rather be on the side that's losing every respected leader they've had in modern times? To each his own I guess.
It’s just getting to be a case of Boy Who Cried Wolf when every single one of them was “LITERALLY HITLER” a few years ago.

[Spurminator]

I'd rather be on the side that gets its agenda done by any means necessary, even if it means alienating former leaders in their party. This mindset is the problem Democrats have, they don't want to be the party of universal healthcare because it might make Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp upset.

That's fine but we're talking about which party is in greater shambles right now and I would argue the party whose Presidential candidates from the past two decades are endorsing the opposing party's candidate is in greater trouble. Agendas are finite.

[ChumpDumper]

The rust belt Dems who voted Obama/Obama/Trump clearly didn't.Are swerving back to 2016? I thought we were talking about 2020. Let me know.

[Will Hunting]

That's fine but we're talking about which party is in greater shambles right now and I would argue the party whose Presidential candidates from the past two decades are endorsing the opposing party's candidate is in greater trouble. Agendas are finite.
You're saying the party that, despite being in the clear minority in terms of popularity, has been able to stacked the court with radical justices and controls (i) most state legislatures, (ii) most governor seats, (iii) the white house, and (iv) the more powerful branch of congress that approves judge appointments is the one in greater shambles right now? I don't see it.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean if you guys are fine with more Trump, OK. I don't understand it at all but feelings run hot these days.

[IronMexican]

:lol Democrats celebrating GWB, Romney, and Mattis as heroes.

Don't forget McCain, and warmonger Bolton is a good guy, too.

[Will Hunting]

Are swerving back to 2016? I thought we were talking about 2020. Let me know.
We're talking about whether or not people want a revolution. The fact that a huge chunk of Democrats revolted against their own party in the most recent general election makes me think they're not happy with the status quo. Do you not think what happened in 2016 is relevant for 2020?

[IronMexican]

Yes, I think most of them rather liked how things were before Trump.

Which was what? Exactly the same. We just didn't have an absolute oaf at the top. But it's not like they're making the calls.

[ChumpDumper]

We're talking about whether or not people want a revolution.Oh. I don't think they ever did and don't currently.

[David Hogg]

“I’m voting Biden, but really don’t like it“

”:cry If you don’t suck Biden’s flaccid old cock, then YOU WANT MORE TRUMP! :cry”

[Reck]

Don't forget McCain, and warmonger Bolton is a good guy, too.

McCain helped saved Obamacare. He gets his due respect for that one.

We'd have shitty Trumpcare which would be only accessible for the rich if it wasn't for him.

[ChumpDumper]

Which was what? Exactly the same. We just didn't have an absolute oaf at the top. But it's not like they're making the calls.The same as now? I think it's different now. If you think it's the same, cool.

[Will Hunting]

Don't forget McCain, and warmonger Bolton is a good guy, too.
Ah yeah forgot about those two. The Dems love their neoconserative heroes these days.

[IronMexican]

McCain helped saved Obamacare. He gets his due respect for that one.

We'd have shitty Trumpcare which would be only accessible for the rich if it wasn't for him.

:lol

[IronMexican]

McCain helped saved Obamacare. He gets his due respect for that one.

We'd have shitty Trumpcare which would be only accessible for the rich if it wasn't for him.

He was a spiteful POS who deserved to die in Vietnam. I just wish he suffered more with his brain cancer

[Reck]

:lol


Health insurers fled the Affordable Care Act in the early years of the law, fearing that losses from covering too many sick people would eat away at their profits.


Now the insurers increasingly view Obamacare as a boon while job-based health coverage faces its biggest threat yet in a crashing economy.


With tens of millions of people losing their jobs — and their health benefits — along with major cuts to Medicaid, the insurers see stability and the promise of enough healthy enrollees in a marketplace that offers government subsidized private insurance to millions of Americans during a pandemic.



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/14/coronavirus-health-insurers-obamacare-257099

I know I know. Fucking hysterical.

[Will Hunting]

“I’m voting Biden, but really don’t like it“

”:cry If you don’t suck Biden’s flaccid old cock, then YOU WANT MORE TRUMP! :cry”
IF YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SWEET INNOCENT JOE IT MEANS YOU LOVE TRUMP!!!

[IronMexican]

An attention seeking whore, who bent backwards for a guy who used his adopted daughter to fuck him over in 2000

[Spurminator]

You're saying the party that, despite being in the clear minority in terms of popularity, has been able to stacked the court with radical justices and controls (i) most state legislatures, (ii) most governor seats, (iii) the white house, and (iv) the more powerful branch of congress that approves judge appointments is the one in greater shambles right now? I don't see it.

Shambles was the wrong word. Snakeboy described it as "melting down" in his original post. I don't think there's any question which side is melting down at the moment but I'm sure liberals will continue to try to snatch defeat.

If Barack Obama marched with Republicans to support their 2nd Amendment rights, he'd be welcomed unanimously by conservatives without an ounce of snark. They may lack conviction, intellectual integrity and humanity but they know how to win.

[DMC]

He was a spiteful POS who deserved to die in Vietnam. I just wish he suffered more with his brain cancer

gotdam :lol

[DMC]

“I’m voting Biden, but really don’t like it“

”:cry If you don’t suck Biden’s flaccid old cock, then YOU WANT MORE TRUMP! :cry”
Signed,

Th'Pusher

[Will Hunting]

An attention seeking whore, who bent backwards for a guy who used his adopted daughter to fuck him over in 2000
:lol McCain kowtowing to GWB after that was some of the most shameless cuck behavior in the history of politics, even worse than Ted Cruz phone banking for Trump after Trump said his wife looked like a dog.

[IronMexican]

:lol McCain kowtowing to GWB after that was some of the most shameless cuck behavior in the history of politics, even worse than Ted Cruz phone banking for Trump after Trump said his wife looked like a dog.

I'm always going to love that photo of our large boy Ted phonebanking for Trump.

[Will Hunting]

They may lack conviction, intellectual integrity and humanity but they know how to win.
Which is where the Democrats fail. Fuckwads like Schumer and Pelosi are more focused on being able to sanctimoniously claim the moral high ground than they are on actually winning.

Pelosi and Schumer are focused on being able claim they "play by the rules" while they rant and rave about how :cry Mitch McConnell was such a big meanie when he blocked our supreme court nominee that one time :cry

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell views being able to pull the deciding SCOTUS seat out of his ass as the top priority and doesn't really give a fuck about how much people like him or don't like him.

[Spurminator]

It’s just getting to be a case of Boy Who Cried Wolf when every single one of them was “LITERALLY HITLER” a few years ago.

People who thought Mitt Romney was "literally Hitler" are the ones most likely to have the kind of purity test that rejects the votes of centrists.

[SnakeBoy]

Are you happy with the Trump presidency right now?

I already told you he really messed up by listening to the "experts" on the Covid response, so that's a negative. Other than that he's doing a great job though. Seeing people like Bill Kristol, the Bush family, Romney move to the Democrat party gives him bonus points.

[Reck]

I already told you he really messed up by listening to the "experts" on the Covid response, so that's a negative. Other than that he's doing a great job though. Seeing people like Bill Kristol, the Bush family, Romney move to the Democrat party gives him bonus points.

:lol Listening to Dr. Fauci being viewed as messing up by you.

[Will Hunting]

I already told you he really messed up by listening to the "experts" on the Covid response, so that's a negative. Other than that he's doing a great job though. Seeing people like Bill Kristol, the Bush family, Romney move to the Democrat party gives him bonus points.
Bill Kristol being embraced as a "new Democrat" the party is trying to build its platform around probably pisses me off more than anybody else. That guy has never seen a foreign conflict he didn't think the US should needlessly insert itself in. He's the neocon of neocons.

In less than 10 years he went from being a guy Bill Maher invited onto his to show make conservatives look like assholes to a guy Bill Maher is screeching about how the Democrats need to try to win over :lol

[ChumpDumper]

he's doing a great jobOK, You're voting for Trump.

What's he doing great?

[pgardn]

I already told you he really messed up by listening to the "experts" on the Covid response, so that's a negative. Other than that he's doing a great job though. Seeing people like Bill Kristol, the Bush family, Romney move to the Democrat party gives him bonus points.

Promises made, promises kept.

Health care, we got a great plan.

No plan...

Good stuff.
We could go right down a gigantic list of his promises...
Great job, just wonderful...

[IronMexican]

:lol embracing neocons

[SnakeBoy]

Bill Kristol being embraced as a "new Democrat" the party is trying to build its platform around probably pisses me off more than anybody else. That guy has never seen a foreign conflict he didn't think the US should needlessly insert itself in. He's the neocon of neocons.

In less than 10 years he went from being a guy Bill Maher invited onto his to show make conservatives look like assholes to a guy Bill Maher is screeching about how the Democrats need to try to win over :lol

They're just Democrats returning to their proper party as far as I'm concerned. It's good to see.

[pgardn]

People tapping out when a cop has his knee on your neck.

OH, You want to die now?
K.
Will do.

[SnakeBoy]

People tapping out when a cop has his knee on your neck.

OH, You want to die now?
K.
Will do.

Wut?

[pgardn]

Wut?

Its not for you.

And yes they know.

[baseline bum]

I already told you he really messed up by listening to the "experts" on the Covid response, so that's a negative. Other than that he's doing a great job though. Seeing people like Bill Kristol, the Bush family, Romney move to the Democrat party gives him bonus points.

Did the experts tell him it was a Democratic hoax?

[baseline bum]

Bill Kristol being embraced as a "new Democrat" the party is trying to build its platform around probably pisses me off more than anybody else. That guy has never seen a foreign conflict he didn't think the US should needlessly insert itself in. He's the neocon of neocons.

In less than 10 years he went from being a guy Bill Maher invited onto his to show make conservatives look like assholes to a guy Bill Maher is screeching about how the Democrats need to try to win over :lol

God, Maher has become unwatchable the last 2-3 years.

[Reck]

They're just Democrats returning to their proper party as far as I'm concerned. It's good to see.

It’s good to have less people selling your bullshit message? When has that ever been good?

Is Esper one of us then? Trump should probably start treating his own people with respect before they all leave him bleeding on the wh floor.

[Spurminator]

They're just Democrats returning to their proper party as far as I'm concerned. It's good to see.

:lol Sure.


Hell I voted for Romney, think he would have been a very good potus, but I never thought he had a chance to win.


I'm going to vote for Trump for the same reasons although even the Trump takeover doesn't give me much optimism the the GOP moderates will grow a backbone. If they were capable of standing up to the extreme right they would have let the very good Senate immigration bill pass and put the issue to bed.

You were a much more reasonable poster before the TDS, tbh. But circle the wagons, it's what you guys do best.

[baseline bum]

:lol Democrats celebrating GWB, Romney, and Mattis as heroes.

Democrats always wanting to be on the side of the looters?

[SnakeBoy]

It’s good to have less people selling your bullshit message? When has that ever been good?

Is Esper one of us then? Trump should probably start treating his own people with respect before they all leave him bleeding on the wh floor.

Without a doubt. Advisor to Chuck Hagel, then a Dubya guy, then a lobbyist for raytheon. Hard to be more neocon than that.

[SnakeBoy]

You were a much more reasonable poster before the TDS, tbh. But circle the wagons, it's what you guys do best.

I did think that about Romney. Was very wrong about him.

edit: probably more a case of self delusion tbh. Same as all of you Dems who are convincing yourselves that Biden is the right man for the job.

[Will Hunting]

God, Maher has become unwatchable the last 2-3 years.
Yeah he’s become an insufferable asshole. All he talks about now is :cry winning the center :cry

[Spurminator]

I did think that about Romney. Was very wrong about him.

What changed your mind about Romney? It sounds like you wanted moderate Republicans to stand up to Trump. When did that change?


edit: probably more a case of self delusion tbh. Same as all of you Dems who are convincing yourselves that Biden is the right man for the job.

But that's the thing, we're not. This very thread is 17 pages of mostly liberals disagreeing to various degrees on Joe Biden's viability for the job. Have you seen a thread like this between board conservatives in the past four years? Of course not. Because you guys cheer for the uniform and forget your convictions.

The only reason most of the liberals in this thread are going to vote for Biden is because of his opponent. Basically the same reason you gave for voting for Trump last time even though you knew he was a piece of shit.

[ChumpDumper]

I did think that about Romney. Was very wrong about him.

edit: probably more a case of self delusion tbh. Same as all of you Dems who are convincing yourselves that Biden is the right man for the job.What is Trump currently doing well as POTUS? Try not to mention other politicians in your answer.

[Spurminator]

God, Maher has become unwatchable the last 2-3 years.

Never understood the appeal, honestly. I didn't even like him when he hosted Politically Incorrect.

[ElNono]

There's really two perspectives to this. If you want to shift towards a direction, you need power. You need to control Congress and/or the Presidency. Sure, you might argue that once they had power, Dems didn't do shit. The GOP will be equally pissed if they lose the election next November and Obamacare is in the books.

But undeniably, if you do not have power, you simply cannot effect any kind of change. This is the centrist democrat approach.

The other perspective is that everyone is a corporate whore, and thus we need some sort of liberal revolution outsider. A populist candidate, somebody that tells it how it is. That's how Trump ran in '16, BTW, he was a populist, ran on ending globalization, cheap healthcare, as the outsider and unknown that was going to clear the swamp (more hopey and changey), and he had a liberally social track record.

So they are two different approaches towards the same goal.

Now I'm looking at the field of Dems that ran, and I'm thinking, who outside of Bernie, and maybe Warren can be that revolutionary? I don't see it. So I get the disappointment about opportunity lost, but I don't really see a clear approach towards that end. Maybe AOC will run some day? Who knows, just not in the books this time around.

[Reck]

1269761532033937412

Dude sounds defeated already. Lol

[boutons_deux]

"The other perspective is that everyone is a corporate whore"

BigDonors own and operate govt. The only people who can change that are the govt whores, who won't cut off their own noses.

"we need some sort of liberal revolution outsider"

ain't EVER gonna happen, since a dedicated progressive in the WH (eg a Bernie type) simply won't be given bills from Congress that are equally progressive.

Congress is not progressive, eg Dems have swallowed the neoliberal turd, and in general, is more conservative than the public.

eg, at least 50% of Repug voters are indifferent to abortion (they need it, too), while Repug Congresspeople are totally against it.

Change We Can Believe In, is belief, like the Bible, with NO evidence. Just a fantasy.

Then we have the polluted, politicized tainted Federal judiciary-for-life, with eg, SCOTUS creating "qualified immunity" that supports polices brutality and murder.

Assume Dems get 51+ in the Senate, maintain/increase House dominance, and Biden as Pres. Dems won't even try to rebuild the destruction from the Repugs of that last 20 years.

btw, anything Trash does from now to Nov falls with the 6 months that allow ALL of it rto be annulled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act

[IronMexican]

God, Maher has become unwatchable the last 2-3 years.

Love how lowkey he is about being an antivaxxer

[baseline bum]

Love how lowkey he is about being an antivaxxer

I thought he seemed pretty open about it honestly, and always with that fucking arrogant grin. He has an even more punchable face than Trump. :lol For me the last straw though on his show was when he was talking about the drug war and how meth was something lots of people can function fine on and it was just the same shit white women took in the 50s to lose weight. That's about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard on TV. I mean is the shit the Imperial Navy would give kamikaze pilots to ensure they were fully hyped to continue through with their suicide missions. And meth fucks so much with your dopamine levels that you can't enjoy anything but it.

[spurraider21]

Ever heard of the NAACP?
useless example, UNCF exists too but we dont call people that either

[spurraider21]

He is supporting a dude who at the very least, attempted to sexually assault Tara Reade.
some people like the idea of vanity/protest votes and some people recognize that pragmatically, one of two people will be president, and there is a legitimate case for damage mitigation

[Th'Pusher]

In-fighting! Worldstar! Worldstar!

You still haven’t determined whether or not trump is doing a good job. You’re a clown.

[DMC]

You still haven’t determined whether or not trump is doing a good job. You’re a clown.

Well we're not talking about the virus anymore. I called it.

[ChumpDumper]

You still haven’t determined whether or not trump is doing a good job. You’re a clown.He never will. Just another guy who can't say why he supports him. It's always something something deflection, something something Democrats, something something other people.

[DMC]

There's really two perspectives to this. If you want to shift towards a direction, you need power. You need to control Congress and/or the Presidency. Sure, you might argue that once they had power, Dems didn't do shit. The GOP will be equally pissed if they lose the election next November and Obamacare is in the books.

But undeniably, if you do not have power, you simply cannot effect any kind of change. This is the centrist democrat approach.

The other perspective is that everyone is a corporate whore, and thus we need some sort of liberal revolution outsider. A populist candidate, somebody that tells it how it is. That's how Trump ran in '16, BTW, he was a populist, ran on ending globalization, cheap healthcare, as the outsider and unknown that was going to clear the swamp (more hopey and changey), and he had a liberally social track record.

So they are two different approaches towards the same goal.

Now I'm looking at the field of Dems that ran, and I'm thinking, who outside of Bernie, and maybe Warren can be that revolutionary? I don't see it. So I get the disappointment about opportunity lost, but I don't really see a clear approach towards that end. Maybe AOC will run some day? Who knows, just not in the books this time around.

Because America isn't ready for all of that. Maybe in the CNN / Fox news coverage spotlight of inner cities they are but in flyover country they're not. If they were these people would be winning. There are a lot of Boomers who have built themselves a nest egg and do not want to see that pilfered so that generations that came after them can live easy by doing less.

[ElNono]

Because America isn't ready for all of that. Maybe in the CNN / Fox news coverage spotlight of inner cities they are but in flyover country they're not. If they were these people would be winning. There are a lot of Boomers who have built themselves a nest egg and do not want to see that pilfered so that generations that came after them can live easy by doing less.

True to an extent. However, I would point out that as government keeps being the happy welfare state for the affluent and corporations, while the middle keeps shrinking and the bottom can't move up, eventually the con is up.

IMO, this is largely why relative unknowns (Obama, who was a senator, but didn't have much of a political career otherwise, and Trump) have been trouncing career politicians. The difference between Bernie and Trump in '16 is that Bernie said he was going to tax the shit out of the rich to pay for things, whereas Trump only promised it would all be paid for (whatever that meant). And so there's a certain appetite for, at the very least, have a more level playing field.

[IronMexican]

So boutons is not a pure lib anymore? I remember him shilling hard for Hilldawg in 2016. I was too, though.

[phxspurfan]

True to an extent. However, I would point out that as government keeps being the happy welfare state for the affluent and corporations, while the middle keeps shrinking and the bottom can't move up, eventually the con is up.

IMO, this is largely why relative unknowns (Obama, who was a senator, but didn't have much of a political career otherwise, and Trump) have been trouncing career politicians. The difference between Bernie and Trump in '16 is that Bernie said he was going to tax the shit out of the rich to pay for things, whereas Trump only promised it would all be paid for (whatever that meant). And so there's a certain appetite for, at the very least, have a more level playing field.


Trump said Mexico would pay

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1270809248247791617?s=19

lmao

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/ForAmerica/status/1271147958189330433

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1271163462241173504

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1271176322337828864?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1271176322337828864?s=19

:lol

Was he being asked to pick a vp?

[IronMexican]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1271176322337828864?s=19
ChumpDumper

This is who you are voting for?

[IronMexican]

Just asking for a yes or no

[Reck]

Out of context clips for the win.

[Th'Pusher]

Just asking for a yes or no

Yes. A resounding loss for trump in the EC and popular vote sends a message to his supporters and to the world that the Trump experiment was a complete and total failure. The more he loses to Biden by, the stronger the message.

[IronMexican]

Yes. A resounding loss for trump in the EC and popular vote sends a message to his supporters and to the world that the Trump experiment was a complete and total failure. The more he loses to Biden by, the stronger the message.

How is it a failure? He literally got the 1% their tax break, and managed to get his kids in great positions for the future. Biden could only hope to place his failson in a similar spot.

[IronMexican]

And you have to wonder by how much he's increased his wealth

[Th'Pusher]

How is it a failure? He literally got the 1% their tax break, and managed to get his kids in great positions for the future. Biden could only hope to place his failson in a similar spot.

His presidency has been a total failure for the majority of Americans

[Th'Pusher]

And you have to wonder by how much he's increased his wealth

Exactly. A failure for most Americans. He needs to be voted out and the larger the margin of victory for Biden, the more meaningful.

[IronMexican]

Exactly. A failure for most Americans. He needs to be voted out and the larger the margin of victory for Biden, the more meaningful.

What is Joe going to give us? Are we going to get more black and brown people in jail, like he has a history of? Why would I vote for one racist shitbag over the other?

Consevative and conservative lite don't interest me, and I don't see a difference in either one. I can't even say one is more presidential, or less spiteful, because Joe Biden gets(to use a trump term) just as nasty as Trump when someone wants to question his past.

[Th'Pusher]

What is Joe going to give us? Are we going to get more black and brown people in jail, like he has a history of? Why would I vote for one racist shitbag over the other?

Consevative and conservative lite don't interest me, and I don't see a difference in either one. I can't even say one is more presidential, or less spiteful, because Joe Biden gets(to use a trump term) just as nasty as Trump when someone wants to question his past.

I think you’re being emotional, tbh. If you don’t see a difference between Biden and Trump, I think we have a fundamental disagreement that can’t be bridged. Happy voting.

[IronMexican]

What are their differences?

Is it because Joe has the D next to his name?

[Th'Pusher]

What are their differences?

Is it because Joe has the D next to his name?

Not sure if serious, tbh.

I don’t think biden would have fought for and prioritized a $1T tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy. He would have nominated more progressive judges. He would not have tried to dismantle the ACA. He wouldn’t have eviscerated environmental regulations. Should I keep going?

[Reck]

What are their differences?

Is it because Joe has the D next to his name?

Empathy vs no empathy, stabilization vs chaos...the likes.

Aren't you tired of the constant brazen lawlessness from this president? Biden might be all those things you mentioned, even with his "dementia" he's no where near as volatile as Trump.

[IronMexican]

Empathy vs no empathy, stabilization vs chaos...the likes.

Aren't you tired of the constant brazen lawlessness from this president? Biden might be all those things you mentioned, even with his "dementia" he's no where near as volatile as Trump.

You have no reasoning. Your whole thing is what makes liberals insufferable. The presidential vs unpresidential debate. Neither one of these rubes are presidential, either.

[IronMexican]

The ACA stabds today. It's true that Trump gave the billionaire class a massive handjob with that tax cut, which is why it was essential he not win in 2016. Whatever we do now to stop the emissions is not enough. I'm not going to pretend I know what Joe was peddling on it, but we need the US and entire world to get to zero. And we want to talk about judges, but why not mention that RGB should have allowed Ughbama to pick her replacement? Why did she want her coronation to be Hillary picking her replacement? How fucking mental is that

[IronMexican]

You guys allow your politicians to continue going right, because "theres just no dealing" with the right, so you guys believe your "progressive" liberal politicians that they have to be the big boys at the table and continue to go further and further right, because there's a giant crying baby they're dealing with, in the form of the GOP. Why take that shit, man? Why do you ask for the barest of minimums from the DNC, is my thing.

"well, it's better than a republican". Yes, that's true, i'm not saying it isn't, but you guys are being taken for a ride.

[Reck]

You have no reasoning. Your whole thing is what makes liberals insufferable. The presidential vs unpresidential debate. Neither one of these rubes are presidential, either.

Oh I have them. You just dont agree with them.

You have spent the last week here crying and chiding people willing to vote for Biden because the other choice is not something they can live with. It's their choice, you just have to live with it. You're not changing minds here.

[Spurminator]

Really feels like a waste of time to argue with people who truly can't differentiate between the two candidates and the very real implications of one candidate's potential cabinet vs the other, but off the top of my head here are a few things.

Court appointments
A four year or more break from tax cuts for the rich
Unlikely to veto progressive legislation
Possibility of reestablishing positive relations with Iran
Possibility of any oversight whatsoever on foreign election interference
Possibility of some increase in minimum wage
Return to a global leadership role on the environment
People like Joe Arpaio and Dinesh D'Souza not getting pardoned
Possibility, however remote, of DC and/or Puerto Rico statehood which balances Senate power in favor of progressives.
Having someone in office who might, possibly, maybe, be capable of giving a somewhat unifying speech when the country needs it... and a President who runs his Twitter account like a milquetoast, soulless slogan robot is far preferable to one who runs it like 12 incel trolls with the same password.

Obviously "possible" is no guarantee but I'll vote for the President who gives us a better chance than 0% on the above.

[Th'Pusher]

The ACA stabds today. It's true that Trump gave the billionaire class a massive handjob with that tax cut, which is why it was essential he not win in 2016. Whatever we do now to stop the emissions is not enough. I'm not going to pretend I know what Joe was peddling on it, but we need the US and entire world to get to zero. And we want to talk about judges, but why not mention that RGB should have allowed Ughbama to pick her replacement? Why did she want her coronation to be Hillary picking her replacement? How fucking mental is that

You’re stuck in the past. I’m talking about the future. You’re emotional.

[IronMexican]

Oh I have them. You just dont agree with them.

You have spent the last week here crying and chiding people willing to vote for Biden because the other choice is not something they can live with. It's their choice, you just have to live with it. You're not changing minds here.

I'm living with it. And you're right. I'll just drop it:lol

[Spurminator]

And we want to talk about judges, but why not mention that RGB should have allowed Ughbama to pick her replacement? Why did she want her coronation to be Hillary picking her replacement? How fucking mental is that

Everybody acknowledges this. It's been discussed ad nauseum. It's not the situation we're facing.

[IronMexican]

Really feels like a waste of time to argue with people who truly can't differentiate between the two candidates and the very real implications of one candidate's potential cabinet vs the other, but off the top of my head here are a few things.

Court appointments
A four year or more break from tax cuts for the rich
Unlikely to veto progressive legislation
Possibility of reestablishing positive relations with Iran
Possibility of any oversight whatsoever on foreign election interference
Possibility of some increase in minimum wage
Return to a global leadership role on the environment
People like Joe Arpaio and Dinesh D'Souza not getting pardoned
Possibility, however remote, of DC and/or Puerto Rico statehood which balances Senate power in favor of progressives.
Having someone in office who might, possibly, maybe, be capable of giving a somewhat unifying speech when the country needs it... and a President who runs his Twitter account like a milquetoast, soulless slogan robot is far preferable to one who runs it like 12 incel trolls with the same password.

Obviously "possible" is no guarantee but I'll vote for the President who gives us a better chance than 0% on the above.

Props to Obama on the Iran deal, which was one of the few good things he did.

But we're always going to interfere with foreign elections, and it does not matter who is in charge. Even MSNBC is pushing that Guiado should be president, and that there was no coup in Bolivia

[Spurminator]

I know what we're getting with a Trump Presidency. If the alternative is either possibly the same or possibly a little better, I'll choose the alternative. It's not going to be worse.

[IronMexican]

But I didn't come here to change anyones minds. It's clear people are set on who to vote for, and me talking shit will not sway anyone one way or the other.


Biden is still the goat vice president at deporting people. He might step it up and try to outdo 44

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1271194075220279300?s=19

[DMX7]

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1271194075220279300?s=19

Well he’s right.... how is he wrong?

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1271194075220279300?s=19
He’s really bad at talking about anything black people-related.

[IronMexican]

He’s really bad at talking about anything black people-related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4NmtSrqtvI

Disagree

[Reck]

He’s really bad at talking about anything black people-related.

subtlety not his strong suit.

In terms of getting things moving in one direction in a short amount of time, he is right. But with no Dr. King, there is no black lives matter or any kind of civil rights movement today to benefit from.

Between Biden’s loose lips and Trump’s team thinking they have some kind of moral high ground on this they pretty much cancel each other. We remain the losers in this.

[Chris]

He’s really bad at talking about anything black people-related.

:lol

[IronMexican]

subtlety not his strong suit.

In terms of getting things moving in one direction in a short amount of time, he is right. But with no Dr. King, there is no black lives matter or any kind of civil rights movement today to benefit from.

Between Biden’s loose lips and Trump’s team thinking they have some kind of moral high ground on this they pretty much cancel each other. We remain the losers in this.

:tu

[Will Hunting]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4NmtSrqtvI

Disagree
This is by far his best black people quote:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-delaware-race-20190711-story.html

“I have friends on the far left, and they can justify to me the murder of a white deaf mute for a nickel by five colored guys,” he said. “They say black men had been oppressed and so on. But they can’t justify some Alabama farmers tar and feathering an old colored woman.”

[Will Hunting]

:lol has anyone confirmed whether the story about corn pop is even remotely true?

[IronMexican]

This is by far his best black people quote:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-delaware-race-20190711-story.html

“I have friends on the far left, and they can justify to me the murder of a white deaf mute for a nickel by five colored guys,” he said. “They say black men had been oppressed and so on. But they can’t justify some Alabama farmers tar and feathering an old colored woman.”

America was different in the 70's, jack. You have to live with it and move forward, ok? You need to be happy and vote for Biden.

[Reck]

This is by far his best black people quote:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-delaware-race-20190711-story.html

“I have friends on the far left, and they can justify to me the murder of a white deaf mute for a nickel by five colored guys,” he said. “They say black men had been oppressed and so on. But they can’t justify some Alabama farmers tar and feathering an old colored woman.”

“You cannot go into a 7/11 without someone having an Indian accent.

He’s unintentionally gringe funny.

[Will Hunting]

America was different in the 70's, jack. You have to live with it and move forward, ok? You need to be happy and vote for Biden.
The excuses made for him are more or less the same thing as when the mom tells her kids “grandpa isn’t racist, he just lived in a different time and doesn’t know any better!”

[IronMexican]

The excuses made for him are more or less the same thing as when the mom tells her kids “grandpa isn’t racist, he just lived in a different time and doesn’t know any better!”

:lol yeah I see that

I honestly don't think he's racist, though. He's just a company man. In the 80's and 90's, Democrats wanted to lock up even more black people than the republicans, cause tough on crime was cool.

[Will Hunting]

:lol yeah I see that

I honestly don't think he's racist, though. He's just a company man. In the 80's and 90's, Democrats wanted to lock up even more black people than the republicans, cause tough on crime was cool.
I think he’s a different kind of racist. Not the Mississippi “I wanna lynch some n!ggers!” type of racist, more the “aw, look at those black people, they’re so cute and funny” kind.

[IronMexican]

I think he’s a different kind of racist. Not the Mississippi “I wanna lynch some n!ggers!” type of racist, more the “aw, look at those black people, they’re so cute and funny” kind.

For further context about what Joe said that it didn't have the worldwide impact that Floyd's death had, the black community of his state was locked down at least 9 months after MLK died.

[IronMexican]

Joe Biden would for sure be a member of the Tunnel Snakes if he were in the Fallout Universe

[DMX7]

The excuses made for him are more or less the same thing as when the mom tells her kids “grandpa isn’t racist, he just lived in a different time and doesn’t know any better!”

0_v00iGJCLY

1986

[DMC]

I think he’s a different kind of racist. Not the Mississippi “I wanna lynch some n!ggers!” type of racist, more the “aw, look at those black people, they’re so cute and funny” kind.

"Its not their fault they are black"

[Will Hunting]

"Its not their fault they are black"
:lmao yep that’s a better way to put it

[Spurtacular]

0_v00iGJCLY

1986

I hate to see a senator call for violence like that.

[DMC]

0_v00iGJCLY

1986

Pre stink finger?

[rmt]

Wow, what a difference in coherency between then and now.

[Spurtacular]

Pre stink finger?

Post stink finger.
Who knew rape wouldn't make him less of a sanctimonious d-bag?

[Spurtacular]

Wow, what a difference in coherency between then and now.

Sure, less dementia. But plenty of incoherence to be found, tbh.

[ElNono]

Coherence definitely not a word you can use to describe Biden...

[SnakeBoy]

I think he’s a different kind of racist. Not the Mississippi “I wanna lynch some n!ggers!” type of racist, more the “aw, look at those black people, they’re so cute and funny” kind.

I know you're just trying to be funny that's incredibly offensive language and you should spend some reflecting on your morals. I won't chastise you too much as I have done the same in the past. However I have seen the light, I suggest you try to do the same.

Perhaps in the future you can try to use less offensive language to make your point. In this particular case you could have said something like "He's not Robert Byrd just a really good friend of Robert Byrd".

[ElNono]

I know you're just trying to be funny that's incredibly offensive language and you should spend some reflecting on your morals. I won't chastise you too much as I have done the same in the past. However I have seen the light, I suggest you try to do the same.

Perhaps in the future you can try to use less offensive language to make your point. In this particular case you could have said something like "He's not Robert Byrd just a really good friend of Robert Byrd".

Thank you. Well thought out and concise post.

[SnakeBoy]

Thank you. Well thought out and concise post.

Dammit, I guess I fucked up :lol

[ElNono]

Dammit, I guess I fucked up :lol

:lol I was fishing too

[IronMexican]

0_v00iGJCLY

1986

Bigger comeback. Joe on ST or his hairline?

[Will Hunting]

0_v00iGJCLY

1986
Neat post.

Now go find the quote where Joe Biden says he wants a crime bill that’s even more “tough on crime” than the Republicans’ crime bill is.

[ElNono]

Neat post.

Now go find the quote where Joe Biden says he wants a crime bill that’s even more “tough on crime” than the Republicans’ crime bill is.

This is the problem with convenient Joe... he's been all over the map depending on where the wind is blowing that day...

[Will Hunting]

This is the problem with convenient Joe... he's been all over the map depending on where the wind is blowing that day...
Jim Crow Joe is the male version of Shillary Clinton in that respect, no real convictions or ideals, just a career politician who’s platform is based off how the winds are blowing and what his corporate sponsors want.

The fact he’s a Delaware politician should have even been more of a red flag.

[boutons_deux]

This is the problem with convenient Joe... he's been all over the map depending on where the wind is blowing that day...

go along to get along, his entire career

[DMX7]

Neat post.

Now go find the quote where Joe Biden says he wants a crime bill that’s even more “tough on crime” than the Republicans’ crime bill is.

It's fine to be tough on crime.

[Trill Clinton]

Biden almost called trump a racist fucc

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can't wait to vote for this manhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whew.png

[Reck]

This is the problem with convenient Joe... he's been all over the map depending on where the wind is blowing that day...

So your average politician then.