Joe Biden was the right pick for Democrats

[DMX7]

I can't say it enough: He has truly emerged as the right candidate for Democrats. He has broad appeal with people of all colors and his rhetoric is on-point even if he makes some silly gaffes from time to time (which don't ultimately matter).

Tactically speaking, I think think he does need a women of color on the ticket. Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez-Masto or Val Demings are probably high on his list.

[hater]

I can't say it enough: He has truly emerged as the right candidate for Democrats. He has broad appeal with people of all colors and his rhetoric is on-point even if he makes some silly gaffes from time to time (which don't ultimately matter).

Tactically speaking, I think think he does need a women of color on the ticket. Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez-Masto or Val Demings are probably high on his list.

Stopped reading at Kamala :lmao

You want to end police brutality but want a fascist bitch that incarcerated thousands of blacks?

:lmao

You out there in lala land nig :lol

[benefactor]

I think just about anyone could beat Trump at this point. He's self destructing more and more with every passing day

[Spurtacular]

:lol Lower wrung chumpette trying giving himself a pep talk.

[DMX7]

Stopped reading at Kamala :lmao

You want to end police brutality but want a fascist bitch that incarcerated thousands of blacks?

:lmao

You out there in lala land nig :lol

She'll do just fine. What are your thoughts on Val? She was a police chief but I don't know her full record on that.

[Will Hunting]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

[DMX7]

Biden lead over Trump jumps 8 points in ABC News/Washington Post poll

(and 10% lead among registered voters)


Former Vice President Joe Biden's lead over President Donald Trump among registered voters has increased by 8 percentage points since March as approval of Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has slipped, according to a poll released Sunday by ABC News and The Washington Post.

The presumptive Democratic nominee leads Trump 53%-43% among registered voters, the poll found.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/06/01/election-2020-joe-biden-widens-lead-over-trump-10-points-poll/5307014002/

[SnakeBoy]

Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez-Masto or Val Demings are probably high on his list.

Prosecutor, prosecutor, cop

[Spurs Homer]

Hes ok for now

but i can hear bernie - had he been the pick

talking about healthcare and rights of all citizens right now as trump threatens to sic dogs and the military on civilians

this was ripe for bernie to rally the pissed off people in the streets

[DMX7]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

I was thinking Booker too. It's not a margin of error race though. Biden is +10% among registered voters.

Also, Biden kind of needed to commit to picking a woman to win the primary at the time.

[Will Hunting]

Prosecutor, prosecutor, cop
:lol

When Biden committed to picking a woman he should have actually made sure there were good candidates to choose from.

[weebo]

Meh. At this point, anyone but Trump.

[Spurtacular]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

Biden needed a ploy to finish off Bernie b/c debating issues wasn't a good option.

[DMX7]

Being a police chief with a good record (if her record is good) is actually something to give her credibility for pushing reform... it's not a bad thing in that case.

[Will Hunting]

Biden needed a ploy to finish off Bernie b/c debating issues wasn't a good option.
Iirc he made that commitment after Super Tuesday when he pretty much had the race in the bag.

[DMX7]

Biden needed a ploy to finish off Bernie b/c debating issues wasn't a good option.

Go start a thread about Blake or Chumpdumper and get out of my thread, ankle-biter. LMAO!!!!

[boutons_deux]

I can't say it enough: He has truly emerged as the right candidate for Democrats. He has broad appeal with people of all colors and his rhetoric is on-point even if he makes some silly gaffes from time to time (which don't ultimately matter).

Tactically speaking, I think think he does need a women of color on the ticket. Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez-Masto or Val Demings are probably high on his list.

Dems already have Dems already get 85%? of the black women vote, they don't need a veep of color.

Warren, Whitmer, maybe Porter, in my order

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZhPvA9WoAIenbP?format=jpg&name=small

[David Hogg]

:lol Lower wrung chumpette trying giving himself a pep talk.
rung

unless you’re taking about squeezing out a towel, Derp.

[Spurtacular]

rung

unless you’re taking about squeezing out a towel, Derp.

He gets squeezed a lot, slob.

[Spurtacular]

Go start a thread about Blake or Chumpdumper and get out of my thread, ankle-biter. LMAO!!!!

Is this your safe space?

[Spurtacular]

Iirc he made that commitment after Super Tuesday when he pretty much had the race in the bag.

Could've been. It was during the quarantine debate with Bernie though.

[Spurminator]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

I have to wonder if going back on that promise would impact his electability in any way. How many people who care that much about having a female VP would flip to Trump if he nominates a black man instead? Probably fewer than the black votes he stands to pick up.

[Will Hunting]

Could've been. It was during the quarantine debate with Bernie though.
Yeah but my point is he was already the favorite when he guaranteed a female VP. I take the under on that being a calculated political move - seems a lot more like a senial old man shooting from the hip with impulsive ideas.

[Will Hunting]

I have to wonder if going back on that promise would impact his electability in any way. How many people who care that much about having a female VP would flip to Trump if he nominates a black man instead? Probably fewer than the black votes he stands to pick up.
He’s relying too much on center right suburban white women to find out imo. The polls/betting odds have the race coming down to Arizona which is a state with no black vote but a swath of suburban white women who don’t like Trump but can get swayed by the dumbest shit.

[SnakeBoy]

He’s relying too much on center right suburban white women to find out imo. The polls/betting odds have the race coming down to Arizona which is a state with no black vote but a swath of suburban white women who don’t like Trump but can get swayed by the dumbest shit.

ELENA!

[Spurtacular]

Yeah but my point is he was already the favorite when he guaranteed a female VP. I take the under on that being a calculated political move - seems a lot more like a senial old man shooting from the hip with impulsive ideas.

He was the favorite; but the point is it was a panic move b/c he didn't want to lose his edge and he wanted to dominate the headline of the debate. That headline made the debate rather secondary.

[Thread]

Just another race baiting fuck like 44.

[Spurtacular]

Just another race baiting fuck like 44.

[DMX7]

He was the favorite; but the point is it was a panic move b/c he didn't want to lose his edge and he wanted to dominate the headline of the debate. That headline made the debate rather secondary.

It doesn't make sense that it was a panic move because he knew he had a nearly insurmountable lead. Seems more to me that he actually believes a woman should be on the ticket and that he was positioning himself for the general election.

[Will Hunting]

FYI Val Demings record as the Orlando chief of police is far from spotless. Plenty of excessive force complaints that Demings was criticized for not treating seriously enough.

Guaranteeing a female VP pick without looking at who the actual options are was a colossal fuckup no matter how you slice it. We wouldn’t even be talking about Stacey Abrams or Val Demings right now if Biden didn’t limit himself.

[Spurtacular]

It doesn't make sense that it was a panic move because he knew he had a nearly insurmountable lead. Seems more to me that he actually believes a woman should be on the ticket and that he was positioning himself for the general election.

Panic sewn into it. He was now taking on Bernie 1v1 for the first time and knew he could get exposed. But certainly it was shameless virtue signaling too. So if you want to call it a two-for then that's okay.

[DMC]

It doesn't make sense that it was a panic move because he knew he had a nearly insurmountable lead. Seems more to me that he actually believes a woman should be on the ticket and that he was positioning himself for the general election.

It's stupid identity politics that have no place in the GE.

Perfectly capable men of all races are basically told to fuck off, because Joe wants a woman around him. They should pick the VP without regard to race, religion, sex and all that other shit. In fact, saying he's going to pick a certain sex ahead of time is problematic for many reasons. Imagine he said "I'm only picking a male".

[Joseph Kony]

i'm pretty sure a bag of onions would be a better president than trump at this point. pretty much anything would be better

[Will Hunting]

Has to be Kamala Harris or Gretchen Whitmer imo. The Kamala Harris prosecutor shit already ran its course through the news cycle so it won’t be talked about as much, and even though she’s white Whitmer is a better candidate than all of the black/Latino possibilities that are grossly under qualified.

This wouldn’t be as big a deal except the candidate himself is a senile 1 term president who’s going to be relying on the VP a lot.

[DMC]

Harris would appeal to the swing voters because of her tough stance on crime. I don't know how she'd do in a debate with Pence.

[DMX7]

FYI Val Demings record as the Orlando chief of police is far from spotless. Plenty of excessive force complaints that Demings was criticized for not treating seriously enough.

Guaranteeing a female VP pick without looking at who the actual options are was a colossal fuckup no matter how you slice it. We wouldn’t even be talking about Stacey Abrams or Val Demings right now if Biden didn’t limit himself.

I thought Amy K. was going to be the pick and would have been a good pick. Not now, but who could have seen this coming in her state? Well maybe some people but he and she aren't among them, ehhhh.

[DMX7]

Harris would appeal to the swing voters because of her tough stance on crime. I don't know how she'd do in a debate with Pence.

VP Debates don't matter. Except maybe when Palin was there.

[Will Hunting]

I thought Amy K. was going to be the pick and would have been a good pick. Not now, but who could have seen this coming in her state? Well maybe some people but he and she aren't among them, ehhhh.
Yeah Hillary clinton was a shitty candidate but I’m sure an even bitchier version of Hillary Clinton with a Karen haircut would have worked out really well.

[CosmicCowboy]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

Cory Booker could announce that he now self identifies as a woman.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think just about anyone could beat Trump at this point. He's self destructing more and more with every passing day

Don't think so. He's the incumbent and the popular vote won't matter again if Whitmer costs team blue the chance to take back Michigan.

[ElNono]

I was thinking Booker too. It's not a margin of error race though. Biden is +10% among registered voters.

Also, Biden kind of needed to commit to picking a woman to win the primary at the time.

It's still way too early, in political time. 4+ months to go to the election, plenty of time, and frankly campaigns haven't even gone full swing yet.

[ElNono]

It's also arguable that Joe needs to pander to black people more after the Floyd murder, tbh... I think this episode did more to mobilize african americans than anything vanilla Joe could've said or done.

[BSfromTX]

i'm pretty sure a bag of onions would be a better president than trump at this point. pretty much anything would be better

Sad, but it really has come to this. For decades now, it has been about choosing what we feel is the lesser of two evils. Agreed though, Biden would be better than Trump, arguably the most divisive president ever

[CosmicCowboy]

If I was being partisan I would be hoping for Stacey Abrams as the VP pick. She would get slaughtered as the incumbent pick in 2024.

[DMX7]

Yeah Hillary clinton was a shitty candidate but I’m sure an even bitchier version of Hillary Clinton with a Karen haircut would have worked out really well.

I think it would have worked out well for Dems. Clinton had decades of baggage that Amy doesn't. It's a ridiculous comparison TBH.

[Brazil]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

tbh..

[Will Hunting]

Cory Booker could announce that he now self identifies as a woman.
Transgender Cory Booker would still be a better VP pick than Klobuchar tbh.

[DMC]

VP Debates don't matter. Except maybe when Palin was there.

You're wrong, but that's nothing new.


The Pence/Kaine debate was part of what gave Trump the edge. Many were calling for Pence to be the presidential candidate instead of Trump. Kaine came across as a pompous asshole.

[DMC]

Cory Booker could announce that he now self identifies as a woman.

I don't care how they dress or what they identify as, as long as they show up for work and get the job done.

[Will Hunting]

You're wrong, but that's nothing new.


The Pence/Kaine debate was part of what gave Trump the edge. Many were calling for Pence to be the presidential candidate instead of Trump. Kaine came across as a pompous asshole.
The 2012 debate was important too. Biden’s “now you’re Jack Kennedy?!” comment was classic.

[DMX7]

You're wrong, but that's nothing new.


The Pence/Kaine debate was part of what gave Trump the edge. Many were calling for Pence to be the presidential candidate instead of Trump. Kaine came across as a pompous asshole.

Nobody gave a crap about it.

[Spurminator]

You're wrong, but that's nothing new.

The Pence/Kaine debate was part of what gave Trump the edge. Many were calling for Pence to be the presidential candidate instead of Trump. Kaine came across as a pompous asshole.

The VP Debate was on October 4. Doesn't look like it impacted Trump positively, if at all. I would lean towards no one gave a crap.

https://i.imgur.com/xyF0LsR.png

[DMC]

The VP Debate was on October 4. Doesn't look like it impacted Trump positively, if at all. I would lean towards no one gave a crap.

https://i.imgur.com/xyF0LsR.png

:lol you're really going to go to the polls after she got beat with the polls showing her winning handily?

[dbreiden83080]

If Trump loses there will be no peaceful transition of power.. The FBI will have to bust into the Oval Office, and shackle him so he doesn't launch Nukes..

[spurraider21]

:lol you're really going to go to the polls after she got beat with the polls showing her winning handily?
polls had her winning nationally by 3 points, she won by about 2. polls reflect the popular vote

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[ElNono]

The 2012 debate was important too. Biden’s “now you’re Jack Kennedy?!” comment was classic.

Vanilla Joe even stole det one...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you%27re_no_Jack_Kennedy

[Spurminator]

:lol you're really going to go to the polls after she got beat with the polls showing her winning handily?

Yes, I'm going to go to the polls if we're looking for data supporting how a VP debate affected public opinion.

It certainly beats your anecdote.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao This thread on November 4, 2020.

[ElNono]

:lmao This thread on November 4, 2020.

All threads are going to be a lot of fun in election night

[Spurtacular]

polls had her winning nationally by 3 points, she won by about 2. polls reflect the popular vote

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

:lol Starting out at Hillary 53, Trump 34.
:lol That couldn't have been more bull shit.
:lol Lite, we all know this shit is made up.

[spurraider21]

:lol Starting out at Hillary 53, Trump 34.
:lol That couldn't have been more bull shit.
:lol Lite, we all know this shit is made up.
yet proved to be fairly accurate at the end, eh?

[DMC]

polls had her winning nationally by 3 points, she won by about 2. polls reflect the popular vote

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


Creative word wrangling there to suggest that all polls only consider national popular vote.

On the first point, the autopsy found that 13% of voters in Wisconsin, Florida, and Pennsylvania — three states Trump won narrowly over Clinton and helped catapult him to an unlikely victory — decided on their presidential choice in the final week of the election. Overwhelmingly, those voters broke for Trump: In Wisconsin, they chose Trump over Clinton by a 30-point margin. In Florida and Pennsylvania, the margin was 17 percentage points.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html


A survey from the Princeton Election Consortium has found that Hillary Clinton has a 99 per cent chance of winning the election over Donald Trump.

Three days before the election, Ms Clinton has a projected 312 electoral votes, compared to 226 for Mr Trump. A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win.

The probability statistic was found by the university’s statistical Bayesian model.

The developer of the model, neuro and data scientist Princeton professor Sam Wang, correctly predicted 49 out of 50 states in 2012.

Other polls were less bullish on a Clinton victory. FiveThirtyEight said the likelihood Ms Clinton would win was 65 per cent, while the New York Times upshot said there was a 85 per cent chance.

So who are you trying to gas light here Philo in suggesting the polls weren't that wrong? Did I invent the narrative of the polls being wrong in 2016?

I never mentioned points. I said 'win handily". She lost. It's a game of electoral votes, not popular votes. Stop moving the fuckin' goalposts to suit your "ya-but"s.

[DMC]

yet proved to be fairly accurate at the end, eh?

:lol no

[DMC]

Yes, I'm going to go to the polls if we're looking for data supporting how a VP debate affected public opinion.

It certainly beats your anecdote.

You cannot show VP debate results in your poll.

[spurraider21]

national polls do, which are the ones most frequently cited

[Spurtacular]

yet proved to be fairly accurate at the end, eh?

They always try to make it close at the end to avoid the egg on their face.
That doesn't change that they made up submission polls the rest the time to control the narrative.

[DMC]

national polls do, which are the ones most frequently cited

Oh a caveat.

So how can you track the effect the VP debate has on the election without a "with and without the VP debate" chart?

As Trump grew and Clinton fell, why isn't any of that being associated with the VP debate, at all? It had to happen on that day?

[ElNono]

They always try to make it close at the end to avoid the egg on their face.
That doesn't change that they made up submission polls the rest the time to control the narrative.

doesn't look very close here...

https://d2eehagpk5cl65.cloudfront.net/img/q60/uploads/assets/mc/2016_08/mccain-bump.png

maybe some races are closer than others...

[spurraider21]

Creative word wrangling there to suggest that all polls only consider national popular vote.

On the first point, the autopsy found that 13% of voters in Wisconsin, Florida, and Pennsylvania — three states Trump won narrowly over Clinton and helped catapult him to an unlikely victory — decided on their presidential choice in the final week of the election. Overwhelmingly, those voters broke for Trump: In Wisconsin, they chose Trump over Clinton by a 30-point margin. In Florida and Pennsylvania, the margin was 17 percentage points.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html


A survey from the Princeton Election Consortium has found that Hillary Clinton has a 99 per cent chance of winning the election over Donald Trump.

Three days before the election, Ms Clinton has a projected 312 electoral votes, compared to 226 for Mr Trump. A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win.

The probability statistic was found by the university’s statistical Bayesian model.

The developer of the model, neuro and data scientist Princeton professor Sam Wang, correctly predicted 49 out of 50 states in 2012.

Other polls were less bullish on a Clinton victory. FiveThirtyEight said the likelihood Ms Clinton would win was 65 per cent, while the New York Times upshot said there was a 85 per cent chance.

So who are you trying to gas light here Philo in suggesting the polls weren't that wrong? Did I invent the narrative of the polls being wrong in 2016?

I never mentioned points. I said 'win handily". She lost. It's a game of electoral votes, not popular votes. Stop moving the fuckin' goalposts to suit your "ya-but"s.
- national polls reflect the national popular vote

- princeton election consortium was way off. good for them

- 65% or even 85% aren't guarantees

if i said i have a 17% chance of rolling a 6, and then i roll a 6, does that mean i was wrong?

[Spurminator]

You cannot show VP debate results in your poll.

You can't show them in your anecdote, yet it was enough to be like "Nuh uh, DUMBASS, the VP Debate was totally important cuz people were saying DURRRR."

As I recall, no one gave a shit about the VP debate, no one watched it, and it had no impact on popular opinion or the results of the election. But that's just my anecdote. So yours is cancelled out and we're left with polls.

Unless you have better data. (You don't.)

[spurraider21]

"Nuh uh, DUMBASS, the VP Debate was totally important cuz people were saying DURRRR."
:lol

[Spurtacular]

doesn't look very close here...

https://d2eehagpk5cl65.cloudfront.net/img/q60/uploads/assets/mc/2016_08/mccain-bump.png

maybe some races are closer than others...

The exception that proves the rule. They were really desperate for Obama.

[ChumpDumper]

The exception that proves the rule. They were really desperate for Obama.:lmao

[spurraider21]

The exception that proves the rule. They were really desperate for Obama.
who is "they" and i would assume you would have called those same people desperate for clinton, particularly against trump

[ElNono]

who is "they" and i would assume you would have called those same people desperate for clinton, particularly against trump

yah, not sure who "they" are either...

[johnsmith]

I think just about anyone could beat Trump at this point. He's self destructing more and more with every passing day

I agree....but there’s a big ass portion of America that we don’t and won’t hear from that will still go out and vote in November. White, Middle to Upper class baby boomers will come out in droves to support Trump. It could very easily swing it in favor of Trump. IMO.

[johnsmith]

He’s relying too much on center right suburban white women to find out imo. The polls/betting odds have the race coming down to Arizona which is a state with no black vote but a swath of suburban white women who don’t like Trump but can get swayed by the dumbest shit.

Man is this 100% true. The Arizona part that is. I have a bunch of cousins in the Phoenix area ages 40 thru 60 and they’re the dumbest members of society on the planet. They’re ALL Karen’s and would change their votes for absolutely no good reasons.

[Will Hunting]

Man is this 100% true. The Arizona part that is. I have a bunch of cousins in the Phoenix area ages 40 thru 60 and they’re the dumbest members of society on the planet. They’re ALL Karen’s and would change their votes for absolutely no good reasons.
The greater Phoenix area might have the highest concentration of Karen’s I’ve ever seen :lol, a bunch of soccer moms who complain to the teacher if their kid gets a B.

[johnsmith]

The greater Phoenix area might have the highest concentration of Karen’s I’ve ever seen :lol, a bunch of soccer moms who complain to the teacher if their kid gets a B.

It’s really crazy. I personally think Denver has more but not by much.

[ElNono]

BunkerBitch vs Vanilla Joe... we deserve everything that's coming to us, tbh

[Reck]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.

What polls have you been looking at? The spread is well outside the margin of error in the states that Hillary lost.

I disagree that this is coming down to Arizona. Winning that state would be like a bonus.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_biden-6861.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Ok, 2 out of 3. But he still leads.

In turn here's Florida
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

So they are pretty interchangable. Biden seems to have a broader path to 270. Even if you deny him Wisconsin, etc.

[Will Hunting]

What polls have you been looking at? The spread is well outside the margin of error in the states that Hillary lost.

I disagree that this is coming down to Arizona. Winning that state would be like a bonus.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_biden-6861.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Ok, 2 out of 3. But he still leads.

In turn here's Florida
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

So they are pretty interchangable. Biden seems to have a broader path to 270. Even if you deny him Wisconsin, etc.
I think there’s more potential for funny business in Wisconsin given the corrupt state legislator and state Supreme Court. Same thing with Florida - in the last 2 elections Florida’s actual results have skewed more Republican than the polls did. You can bet DeSantis will do everything he can to make voting impossible in places like Broward County.

The most recent round of betting odds I looked at have Biden favored in Michigan and Pennsylvania, Arizona as a dead heat between them and Trump as the slight favorite in Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina.

Keep in mind, when I say it’s coming down to Arizona, I think Trump is underestimating how much trouble he’s in down there. Mark Kelly is up 13 points on McSally, which means Biden probably has a 9 point edge at least imo. The demographic makeup of the state also hurts Trump, very small rural population and a lot of suburban Karens in Maricopa County who always voted Republican before Trump but find him to be repulsive.

[DMC]

You can't show them in your anecdote, yet it was enough to be like "Nuh uh, DUMBASS, the VP Debate was totally important cuz people were saying DURRRR."

As I recall, no one gave a shit about the VP debate, no one watched it, and it had no impact on popular opinion or the results of the election. But that's just my anecdote. So yours is cancelled out and we're left with polls.

Unless you have better data. (You don't.)
I don't think I used an anecdote.

The importance of Pence wasn't to destroy Kaine and make America love Pence, but to shelter Trump with his opposite personality style and evasiveness. That was to pick up late decision swing voters. It obviously worked - Trump won. That's not an anecdote.

[ElNono]

I think there’s more potential for funny business in Wisconsin given the corrupt state legislator and state Supreme Court. Same thing with Florida - in the last 2 elections Florida’s actual results have skewed more Republican than the polls did. You can bet DeSantis will do everything he can to make voting impossible in places like Broward County.

The most recent round of betting odds I looked at have Biden favored in Michigan and Pennsylvania, Arizona as a dead heat between them and Trump as the slight favorite in Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina.

Keep in mind, when I say it’s coming down to Arizona, I think Trump is underestimating how much trouble he’s in down there. Mark Kelly is up 13 points on McSally, which means Biden probably has a 9 point edge at least imo. The demographic makeup of the state also hurts Trump, very small rural population and a lot of suburban Karens in Maricopa County who always voted Republican before Trump but find him to be repulsive.

Don't forget there's also 2 districts in Nebraska and Maine that split electoral votes. That might seems like a nuisance, but Biden can win with those 2 electors + Michigan and Pennsylvania. It's a stretch, but also something that might be at play.

Also noteworthy, it's likely Trump wins re-election on a EC tie.

[Will Hunting]

Don't forget there's also 2 districts in Nebraska and Maine that split electoral votes. That might seems like a nuisance, but Biden can win with those 2 electors + Michigan and Pennsylvania. It's a stretch, but also something that might be at play.

Also noteworthy, it's likely Trump wins re-election on a EC tie.
The crazies in Northern Maine love Trump, I’d be surprised if he loses that district.

[Spurminator]

I don't think I used an anecdote.

The importance of Pence wasn't to destroy Kaine and make America love Pence, but to shelter Trump with his opposite personality style and evasiveness. That was to pick up late decision swing voters. It obviously worked - Trump won. That's not an anecdote.

I literally said I was giving an anecdote and you still bolded me as if to say "gotcha." :lol

The best thing you can say about the 2016 VP Debate is that it didn't cost Trump the election. With victory as the standard, you could just as easily say every VP debate in history was crucial to the election of the eventual President. You can apply that standard to anything you want. You could say the Vince Foster controversy helped Bill Clinton because "he won." It doesn't tell you anything, and it's a lazy way to make a case.

From an actual data standpoint, there's nothing to suggest the VP debate helped Trump. In fact, the data would suggest it actually hurt him. But we don't know that for certain either.

[DMC]

I literally said I was giving an anecdote and you still bolded me as if to say "gotcha." :lol

The best thing you can say about the 2016 VP Debate is that it didn't cost Trump the election. With victory as the standard, you could just as easily say every VP debate in history was crucial to the election of the eventual President. You can apply that standard to anything you want. You could say the Vince Foster controversy helped Bill Clinton because "he won." It doesn't tell you anything, and it's a lazy way to make a case.

From an actual data standpoint, there's nothing to suggest the VP debate helped Trump. In fact, the data would suggest it actually hurt him. But we don't know that for certain either.

No, I bolded to say I didn't use an anecdote. You said I did.

[Will Hunting]

Did anyone even watch the 2016 debate? Imo the 2012 debate actually mattered because of how much Romney has adopted Ryan’s platform, but the 2016 VPs were about as vanilla as it gets.

[ElNono]

The crazies in Northern Maine love Trump, I’d be surprised if he loses that district.

It's just intriguing, because Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama all carried that district.

[Reck]

If Kerry can do it...

[Will Hunting]

It's just intriguing, because Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama all carried that district.
Northern Maine has a huge white supremacist/survivalist element, Republicans supported Trump precisely because he could capture the type of voter in northern Maine the way establishment Republicans couldn’t. The last Republican Governor of Maine was overtly racist and called for deporting black people out of the state :lol

Same thing to a lesser extent in New Hampshire - the Republicans are in the clear minority, but they love Trump a lot more than they did prior candidates so they turned out for him and made 2016 a really close race in that state.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/8cZg8xZ/50530.jpg

[DMC]

Did anyone even watch the 2016 debate? Imo the 2012 debate actually mattered because of how much Romney has adopted Ryan’s platform, but the 2016 VPs were about as vanilla as it gets.

Sure, see excerpts below :lol


Pence is probably the real candidate because Trump is too lazy to be president. He already offered Kasich control of foreign and domestic policy if he took up the VP offer. Trump is going to be like W first term when he was always busy clearing brush while letting Cheney play president.


My new hypothesis is that Trump surrogates will pivot after the VP debate, no matter who "wins" the debate itself, and argue that a vote for Trump can be justified as a vote for Pence. They might even go so far as to intimate that Trump may not serve out a full term and that Pence is the real candidate here.

Play the hand your dealt, they say.


I think both Pence & Kaine are interesting men & I was looking forward to hearing their vision for America. Instead we got Kaine interrupting Pence as often as possible & a moderator who lost control of the exchanges blaming both candidates…Three people talking over each other & nobody getting their message out…What a missed opportunity for Kaine as he came off as a weak ankle biter with no clear vision on anything…Kaine did not win over ANY voters on the fence…

[DMC]

It's just intriguing, because Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama all carried that district.

Kerry got a purple heart for doing so as he tweaked his back.

[Will Hunting]

Sure, see excerpts below :lol
Touché I guess :lol, but I will note that those three posters had made up their mind well before the VP debate :lol

Bill Maher characterized the debate accurately at the time imo: it was basically the albino guy from da Vinci Code vs. the goofy homeowner who answers to door on Halloween wearing a costume himself.

[baseline bum]

Sure, see excerpts below :lol

I was a little off, instead of being Pence's useful idiot he has been McConnell's.

[ElNono]

Northern Maine has a huge white supremacist/survivalist element, Republicans supported Trump precisely because he could capture the type of voter in northern Maine the way establishment Republicans couldn’t. The last Republican Governor of Maine was overtly racist and called for deporting black people out of the state :lol

Same thing to a lesser extent in New Hampshire - the Republicans are in the clear minority, but they love Trump a lot more than they did prior candidates so they turned out for him and made 2016 a really close race in that state.

I believe you, just wondering because it shows only as leaning red right now.

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/8cZg8xZ/50530.jpg

How's Stormfront holding up, tbh? are they at least happy two white guys are going at it in November?

[FrostKing]

How's Stormfront holding up, tbh? are they at least happy two white guys are going at it in November?
I lurked about 5 years ago. Pointless now, their rhetoric is now public.

[DMC]

BunkerBitch vs Vanilla Joe... we deserve everything that's coming to us, tbh

Bunker Bitch vs Basement Bitch

:lol

[ducks]

Dems already have Dems already get 85%? of the black women vote, they don't need a veep of color.

Warren, Whitmer, maybe Porter, in my order

If biden only gets 85 percent of black vote he will lose in a landslide

[ElNono]

Bunker Bitch vs Basement Bitch

:lol

Pretty much, it's a fucking shit show

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/ObamaMalik/status/1268612366133911557?s=20

Ouch !

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/ObamaMalik/status/1268615111448485889?s=20

[ducks]

George Floyd’s funeral is expected to have hundreds or thousands of attendees, including high profile politicians like Biden. Meanwhile people have not been allowed to go to their own family members funerals because attendance was capped due to COVID.

[Reck]

Trump team paying him to say all these ineffective stuff. :lol

[IronMexican]

So this place is shilling for creepy uncle joe now?

[Reck]

So this place is shilling for creepy uncle joe now?

Who are you going to vote for?

[Spurminator]

So this place is shilling for creepy uncle joe now?

Not especially. Stick around a while and find out.

[IronMexican]

Who are you going to vote for?

Neither one of these ghouls. I'm still debating between green and PSL

[Trainwreck2100]

So this place is shilling for creepy uncle joe now?

This place isn't fully supporting him, but he's the better option. At least he knows how to fake empathy

[IronMexican]

This place isn't fully supporting him, but he's the better option. At least he knows how to fake empathy

Does he?

He's a joke. Has decades of policies that put down black and brown people and has no problem going up there and saying "No I didn't".

[ElNono]

Does he?

He's a joke. Has decades of policies that put down black and brown people and has no problem going up there and saying "No I didn't".

I absolutely despise Biden, fake as they come. But he's the only realistic alternative to validating this coward, who has shown that there's no ceiling to his ineptitude and no bottom on how low he's willing to go.

Generally, I don't vote in elections when the candidates are this bad (did not in '16), but there's a realistic chance democracy can be in peril if this guy sticks around.

[Reck]

Not being able to see the ramifications of a Trump second term at this stage in the game. I feel sorry for those people.

[IronMexican]

Not being able to see the ramifications of a Trump second term at this stage in the game. I feel sorry for those people.

I'm sure Pelosi is fine with it, as long as she wins her seat again. She will still be up there signing all his bills.

[IronMexican]

It's also literally impossible to be as bad as Bush. i know you centrists hate seeing someone as unpresidential and stupid as Trump be president, but the damage the neocons did in this world in the 00's is unmatched.

[ChumpDumper]

It's also literally impossible to be as bad as Bush. i know you centrists hate seeing someone as unpresidential and stupid as Trump be president, but the damage the neocons did in this world in the 00's is unmatched.W would've taken the pandemic more seriously than pretty much any other president, so YMMV.

[FrostKing]

I absolutely despise Biden, fake as they come. But he's the only realistic alternative to validating this coward, who has shown that there's no ceiling to his ineptitude and no bottom on how low he's willing to go.

Generally, I don't vote in elections when the candidates are this bad (did not in '16), but there's a realistic chance democracy can be in peril if this guy sticks around.
Our democracy is at risk coming from supporter of "change the system"

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1268723748104011781?s=19

[LkrFan]

Cubby taking a walk on the dark side :wow
https://twitter.com/LovenGrace58/status/1268724660260257792?s=09

Nice tats :lol

[FrostKing]

White Rodman :lol

[IronMexican]

W would've taken the pandemic more seriously than pretty much any other president, so YMMV.

Bush killed uncountable amounts of Iraqi people. Centrists now have a great view of that piece of shit because he came out on Ellen and Senile Joe put a medal around his neck.

[Spurtacular]

Bunker Bitch vs Basement Bitch

:lol

One went down briefly during riots. One hid out for three months.

:lol Media propaganda

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/813727/large/ScreenShot2020-06-04at8.52.36AM.png?1591285986

[Spurminator]

Bush killed uncountable amounts of Iraqi people. Centrists now have a great view of that piece of shit because he came out on Ellen and Senile Joe put a medal around his neck.

I think Bush always had a sort of aw shucks appeal, even with a lot of liberals, because it was pretty clear who was really calling the shots in the administration. Dick Cheney could show up on Ellen in full drag with a Black Lives Matter shirt on and most liberals would still want to see him die in a fire.

[Spurtacular]

I absolutely despise Biden, fake as they come. But he's the only realistic alternative to validating this coward, who has shown that there's no ceiling to his ineptitude and no bottom on how low he's willing to go.

Generally, I don't vote in elections when the candidates are this bad (did not in '16), but there's a realistic chance democracy can be in peril if this guy sticks around.

:lol A severe case of TDS

[Spurtacular]

I think Bush always had a sort of aw shucks appeal, even with a lot of liberals, because it was pretty clear who was really calling the shots in the administration. Dick Cheney could show up on Ellen in full drag with a Black Lives Matter shirt on and most liberals would still want to see him die in a fire.

:lol :cry The virtual signaling would not be enough. :cry :lol
:lol Sadbert :lol

[IronMexican]

I think Bush always had a sort of aw shucks appeal, even with a lot of liberals, because it was pretty clear who was really calling the shots in the administration. Dick Cheney could show up on Ellen in full drag with a Black Lives Matter shirt on and most liberals would still want to see him die in a fire.

Bush wanted in the Middle East just as bad as Powell.

Like I said, this revisionist history is hilarious. People love to act like Powell was a great guy, too. No, they were all warhawks.

[IronMexican]

Vice was a good movie, but did a lot of harm in that it paints W as, like you said, some "aww shucks, guys. I'm a good person" type light.


Gonna be great when we get back to a democrat and suddenly, no one cares about the kids in cages or drone strikes anymore.

[IronMexican]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/813727/large/ScreenShot2020-06-04at8.52.36AM.png?1591285986

Well, it's settled. Biden has to do nothing to earn the votes of black and brown people, because we are firmly in his corner. Even after hispanics in overwhelming favor supported Bernie. I'm sure ICE will stay, but Joe will promise some type of reeducation that does nothing.

[ElNono]

:lol A severe case of TDS

:lol military use to subdue american citizens good now, very democratic... If that's not an alarm going off for you, I don't know what it is.

[Spurtacular]

:lol military use to subdue american citizens good now, very democratic... If that's not an alarm going off for you, I don't know what it is.

:cry Poor criminals :cry

[ElNono]

:cry Poor criminals :cry

derp ramping up the fascism, tbh... I thought you were a libertarian? :lmao

[baseline bum]

Fucking Boomers better show up for this motherfucker in the general after they forced him on us in the primaries.

[koriwhat]

Fucking Boomers better show up for this motherfucker in the general after they forced him on us in the primaries.

Biden will be dead before the debates even happen. That dude is a walking corpse at this point but but you know the thing!

[Spurtacular]

derp ramping up the fascism, tbh... I thought you were a libertarian? :lmao

Libertarians believe in the right to violence?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmvt7yFTtt8

[koriwhat]

derp ramping up the fascism, tbh... I thought you were a libertarian? :lmao

It's called policing and the rule of law. Protesting is fine but what you're dismissing and seem to be advocating for is nothing short of anarchy and mayhem.

You can keep fooling yourself but you're not fooling anyone else.

[IronMexican]

How does the DNC even have dignity after putting him up there. Before this, I always considered myself a democrat.

I know it might not matter, because most of Bernie's base are in higher populated states, but I and a lot of other people will probably never vote democrat again.

[ElNono]

It's called policing and the rule of law.

That's what we have LEO for, joey. Read a bit about the Posse Comitatus act, and why it exists.

The fact that somebody like derp that claims to be libertarian is in line with advocating the use of active duty military on American civilians speaks for itself.

[koriwhat]

That's what we have LEO for, joey. Read a bit about the Posse Comitatus act, and why it exists.

The fact that somebody like derp that claims to be libertarian is in line with advocating the use of active duty military on American civilians speaks for itself.

I'm good with the military coming in and bulldozing all the looters/rioters! Fuck them and hope they all die! I have no sympathy for thieves nor those looking to destroy our nation from inside or out.

You can disagree all you'd like and I'd still not give a fuck.

[Trill Clinton]

I was a Bernie supporter but statements like this should not be hard for a leader to make instead of being divisive.

1268973258537402371

[koriwhat]

I was a Bernie supporter but statements like this should not be hard for a leader to make instead of being divisive.

1268973258537402371

Lol believing biden is coherent enough to post of twitter when he cant even spit a complete sentence out irl.

Btw let me guess, you didn't watch djt's 52min presser and your whole world view comes strictly from the twitterverse? Lmao go figure

[Spurminator]

How does the DNC even have dignity after putting him up there. Before this, I always considered myself a democrat.

I know it might not matter, because most of Bernie's base are in higher populated states, but I and a lot of other people will probably never vote democrat again.

Bernie got fewer votes. He would have lost in the General Election. I liked him better but if it means Trump gets another 4, then he's not the right candidate. He and other progressive Senators and Congressmen in a hopefully more liberal Congress can push legislation that won't get vetoed by Biden.

4 more years of Trump + GOP gerrymandering and the assault on voting rights and access just makes it even less likely a true progressive can ever be elected President.

[ElNono]

I'm good with the military coming in and bulldozing all the looters/rioters! Fuck them and hope they all die! I have no sympathy for thieves nor those looking to destroy our nation from inside or out.

You can disagree all you'd like and I'd still not give a fuck.

Your feelings are immaterial. Frankly, I don't think even the military wants to engage in that, for obvious reasons.

[Trill Clinton]

Lol believing biden is coherent enough to post of twitter when he cant even spit a complete sentence out irl.

Btw let me guess, you didn't watch djt's 52min presser and your whole world view comes strictly from the twitterverse? Lmao go figure

shut up, junky.

[Reck]

How does the DNC even have dignity after putting him up there. Before this, I always considered myself a democrat.

I know it might not matter, because most of Bernie's base are in higher populated states, but I and a lot of other people will probably never vote democrat again.

Who exactly are you mad at? The people for voting for someone you don’t like or the DNC for letting him run at all?

Bernie supporters need to let this go already. If it wasn’t Biden, it would have been Bloomberg. Bernie just didn’t excite the base that mattered in the primaries or even care to reach out.

[koriwhat]

Bernie got fewer votes. He would have lost in the General Election. I liked him better but if it means Trump gets another 4, then he's not the right candidate. He and other progressive Senators and Congressmen in a hopefully more liberal Congress can push legislation that won't get vetoed by Biden.

You mean he was too much of a commie in the open while the real commies behind the scenes can just prop up Biden's corpse and still try to dupe the libs of yesterday... got it! :tu

[koriwhat]

shut up, junky.

I knew I was right. Thanks for playing the game! :tu

[Spurminator]

You mean he was too much of a commie in the open while the real commies behind the scenes can just prop up Biden's corpse and still try to dupe the libs of yesterday... got it! :tu

Hope so! That sounds awesome!

[daslicer]

How does the DNC even have dignity after putting him up there. Before this, I always considered myself a democrat.

I know it might not matter, because most of Bernie's base are in higher populated states, but I and a lot of other people will probably never vote democrat again.

That's pretty much how I feel. I hated Hillary but voted for her and will do the same for Biden. The only reason I'm voting for Biden is because Trump is too divisive racially and he's straight up incompetent. If this was Biden vs generic Republican then I would stay home. I'll be doing that in 2024.

[koriwhat]

That's pretty much how I feel. I hated Hillary but voted for her and will do the same for Biden. The only reason I'm voting for Biden is because Trump is too divisive racially and he's straight up incompetent. If this was Biden vs generic Republican then I would stay home. I'll be doing that in 2024.

Lol the same old narrative fed to you by those who don't give one fuck about your quality of life nor your families and friends.

[IronMexican]

Bernie got fewer votes. He would have lost in the General Election. I liked him better but if it means Trump gets another 4, then he's not the right candidate. He and other progressive Senators and Congressmen in a hopefully more liberal Congress can push legislation that won't get vetoed by Biden.

4 more years of Trump + GOP gerrymandering and the assault on voting rights and access just makes it even less likely a true progressive can ever be elected President.

You're right, he did. But the DNC did no favors, and you cant sit here and say that they weren't in on it with MSNBC, the same way the GOP and Fox are in bed together.


Like I said, I wont vote for Joe, or any centrist ever again. I guess they were never a party for progressive policies, so I shouldn't be mad. FWIW, i live in CA, so my vote does not matter.

[daslicer]

Lol the same old narrative fed to you by those who don't give one fuck about your quality of life nor your families and friends.

No politician regardless of party cares about me or my quality of life. I figured that out a long time ago. Sounds like you are just bitter that I'm not going to vote for your boy Trump.

[IronMexican]

That's pretty much how I feel. I hated Hillary but voted for her and will do the same for Biden. The only reason I'm voting for Biden is because Trump is too divisive racially and he's straight up incompetent. If this was Biden vs generic Republican then I would stay home. I'll be doing that in 2024.

It truly is the same republican vs democrat.

Joe has this "progressive policy" plan that will get nothing done. He has the black vote sowed because he was second man to Obama, and did it with a smile. I was all in on Hillsawg after the primaries last time. He told black people they aren't black if they even consider voting for Trump. I guess you have to take his word. He did put cornpop in his place

If you do think you have a progressive stance on social and political policies, look for the third party and see which more aligns with you.

[daslicer]

You're right, he did. But the DNC did no favors, and you cant sit here and say that they weren't in on it with MSNBC, the same way the GOP and Fox are in bed together.


Like I said, I wont vote for Joe, or any centrist ever again. I guess they were never a party for progressive policies, so I shouldn't be mad. FWIW, i live in CA, so my vote does not matter.

Unfortunately I live in NC and it's a swing state but if I lived in CA I would not vote either.

[Spurminator]

You're right, he did. But the DNC did no favors, and you cant sit here and say that they weren't in on it with MSNBC, the same way the GOP and Fox are in bed together.

They probably did coordinate on messaging but the people still vote.

Assuming there was coordination, it was based on two choices: (1) Let Bernie win a small plurality in a field of 7-9, or (2) cull down the field and let people choose their favorite from a smaller group, which would mirror the Presidential election more closely.

Your vote for President may not count but local and state officials are still important. Even if I was pissed about the POTUS candidate, I'm straight party Democrat down ballot right now. Unless it's a seat with a centrist Dem vs. a progressive 3rd party candidate and there's no chance of a GOP winner.

[benefactor]

No politician regardless of party cares about me or my quality of life. I figured that out a long time ago. Sounds like you are just bitter that I'm not going to vote for your boy Trump.
Don't bother with him. He's about as smart as the sandwich I had for lunch.

[spurraider21]

It truly is the same republican vs democrat.

Joe has this "progressive policy" plan that will get nothing done. He has the black vote sowed because he was second man to Obama, and did it with a smile. I was all in on Hillsawg after the primaries last time. He told black people they aren't black if they even consider voting for Trump. I guess you have to take his word. He did put cornpop in his place

If you do think you have a progressive stance on social and political policies, look for the third party and see which more aligns with you.
i still go back and forth with the concept of protest/third party votes... but i still feel like they are vanity votes to make you feel better about yourself than actually doing something with material benefits. i dont like biden, but a 4 year biden term, in my eyes, would undoubtedly be less dangerous and harmful than a 2nd trump term when he no longer even cares about re-election

[koriwhat]

No politician regardless of party cares about me or my quality of life. I figured that out a long time ago. Sounds like you are just bitter that I'm not going to vote for your boy Trump.

Why would I be bitter over a nobody like you? That's the beauty of the USA; you have the right to be a complete and utter dumbass which you're doing fine at!

[Spurminator]

And if Democrats and Republicans were truly all the same, Donald Trump wouldn't be reversing so many Obama policies right now.

There's going to be overlap in bad policy. People are going to have to keep their foot on the gas with regard to immigration abuses, drone strikes and privacy issues that unfortunately don't get as much scrutiny under Democrat power.

[IronMexican]

i still go back and forth with the concept of protest/third party votes... but i still feel like they are vanity votes to make you feel better about yourself than actually doing something with material benefits. i dont like biden, but a 4 year biden term, in my eyes, would undoubtedly be less dangerous and harmful than a 2nd trump term when he no longer even cares about re-election

I don't believe my vote is a protest. The democratic party is a dead party for progressive policies.

[spurraider21]

I don't believe my vote is a protest. The democratic party is a dead party for progressive policies.
thats how i see it as well... but they're a heck of a lot closer than the republicans. you still have a (albeit small) progressive wing of the democrat party

[koriwhat]

Don't bother with him. He's about as smart as the sandwich I had for lunch.

The faux intellectual strikes again! Oh wait, the facebook stalking loser who snitches strikes again!

[Reck]

Doesn’t Biden have Bernie people in his transition team? I’m sure I read that somewhere.

Its not like his administration will be fully made up of centrist. He’s already done more to reach out to younger voters than Hillary ever did during 2016.

[daslicer]

It truly is the same republican vs democrat.

Joe has this "progressive policy" plan that will get nothing done. He has the black vote sowed because he was second man to Obama, and did it with a smile. I was all in on Hillsawg after the primaries last time. He told black people they aren't black if they even consider voting for Trump. I guess you have to take his word. He did put cornpop in his place

If you do think you have a progressive stance on social and political policies, look for the third party and see which more aligns with you.

I agree with you on everything. The way America is setup there is no way a third party will ever have success in this country. I have come to the conclusion the last few year that this country is a corrupt democracy that is run by corporations and oligarchs. They now control both parties. The only difference between the Democratic and Republican party is social issues but in my eyes those issues don't make a difference in improving the quality of lives among the public.

[benefactor]

Let me guess without looking...Joey went with the old snitch/Facebook thing again, amirite?

[IronMexican]

Doesn’t Biden have Bernie people in his transition team? I’m sure I read that somewhere.



ahh, I was waiting for that one. Yes, he does. Now I'm sure all of those bills that the transition team are working on will definitely hit the floor/

[koriwhat]

I agree with you on everything. The way America is setup there is no way a third party will ever have success in this country. I have come to the conclusion the last few year that this country is a corrupt democracy that is run by corporations and oligarchs. They now control both parties. The only difference between the Democratic and Republican party is social issues but in my eyes those issues don't make a difference in improving the quality of lives among the public.

We're a republic!


Let me guess without looking...Joey went with the old snitch/Facebook thing again, amirite?

You ain't fooling no one hulkster... and if it's true it's true!

[daslicer]

Why would I be bitter over a nobody like you? That's the beauty of the USA; you have the right to be a complete and utter dumbass which you're doing fine at!

Dude you are bitter it's ok. I understand that I triggered you by declaring that I'm going to vote against your boy.

[koriwhat]

Dude you are bitter it's ok. I understand that I triggered you by declaring that I'm going to vote against your boy.

I don't care who you vote for and never will. Your faux W's here on ST are pathetic.

[daslicer]

I don't care who you vote for and never will. Your faux W's here on ST are pathetic.

You do care since you are responding to me. It's ok I understand you are upset.

[IronMexican]

this country is a corrupt democracy that is run by corporations and oligarchs. They now control both parties.

%100 this

Things are going to get worse and keep on getting worse in this country. They have shmucks like us arguing who is worse and both parties answer to the same people at night, which are the oligarchs and corporations.

But maybe Joe will be back, and we can have that rainbow font on the white house, again. And joe will be back, so we can turn a blind eye to Palestinians dying and being supressed at the hands of Israel. But Bill Maher did say Israel is in their rightful land, so liberals should fall in line with that, as well.

[koriwhat]

You do care since you are responding to me. It's ok I understand you are upset.

Lol as if that line hasn't been regurgitated by losers like yourself for all of this messageboard's existence!

Faux W!

[daslicer]

%100 this

Things are going to get worse and keep on getting worse in this country. They have shmucks like us arguing who is worse and both parties answer to the same people at night, which are the oligarchs and corporations.

But maybe Joe will be back, and we can have that rainbow font on the white house, again. And joe will be back, so we can turn a blind eye to Palestinians dying and being supressed at the hands of Israel. But Bill Maher did say Israel is in their rightful land, so liberals should fall in line with that, as well.

I feel we are going to be a third world country once the boomers die off. They are literally keeping the middle class on life support. Once they are gone there won't be a middle class.

[SnakeBoy]

Don Cheadle asked Biden about defunding the police

Biden says "I think it's a good idea"

:lol

[Reck]

Don Cheadle asked Biden about defunding the police

Biden says "I think it's a good idea"

:lol

Things can only get better if you do.

For example in Candem New Jersey Crime was off the charts until they decided to disband and defund the police department and built a community based police department that actually cut cost as well as crimes and such. Now crime has fallen tenfold in that city.

So again yes, good idea.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

You just have to have the will and a plan in place to do it.

[baseline bum]

I was a Bernie supporter but statements like this should not be hard for a leader to make instead of being divisive.

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Bunker Bitch really said this is a great day for George Floyd? Six feet in the ground is a great day? WTF?

[Spurminator]

Bunker Bitch really said this is a great day for George Floyd? Six feet in the ground is a great day? WTF?

I mean this might be the single dumbest and most tone deaf thing ever spoken by a President.

[ElNono]

Don Cheadle asked Biden about defunding the police

Biden says "I think it's a good idea"

:lol

I think Biden knows who is his demographic, tbh...

[ducks]

Biden clinches Democratic presidential nomination with latest delegate haul

[boutons_deux]

I mean this might be the single dumbest and most tone deaf thing ever spoken by a President.

Trash is a bully and racist.

Insulting black and dead GF horribly, knowing GF can't punch back at the dickless bully

[IronMexican]

I think Biden knows who is his demographic, tbh...

Don't forget that the party of the democrats are now never trump republicans. Sans the abortion and gay marriage issue.

That's how far on the right the libs are now. Can't believe that every time the GOP went further right, the democrats tried and go further their way.

[ElNono]

Don't forget that the party of the democrats are now never trump republicans. Sans the abortion and gay marriage issue.

That's how far on the right the libs are now. Can't believe that every time the GOP went further right, the democrats tried and go further their way.

They were to the right when Obama was president, and Shillary was nothing but a warmonger globalist neocon.... it's just the average conservatives du jour only apparently cares about muh abortion, muh religion and muh guns...

Can't even claim to care about deficits anymore, the last two R president have been nothing but ravaging the government credit card.

Normally I would say both candidates are largely the same thing, but as much as I dislike and despise Biden (because he's more of the same), bunker bitch really took idiocy to a whole new level, tbh.

[Reck]

They were to the right when Obama was president, and Shillary was nothing but a warmonger globalist neocon.... it's just the average conservatives du jour only apparently cares about muh abortion, muh religion and muh guns...

Can't even claim to care about deficits anymore, the last two R president have been nothing but ravaging the government credit card.

Normally I would say both candidates are largely the same thing, but as much as I dislike and despise Biden (because he's more of the same), bunker bitch really took idiocy to a whole new level, tbh.

Who was the last progressive president? None of us were even alive.

Ironmex is talking as if we've actually regressed. It's always been like this.

[Will Hunting]

Don't forget that the party of the democrats are now never trump republicans. Sans the abortion and gay marriage issue.

That's how far on the right the libs are now. Can't believe that every time the GOP went further right, the democrats tried and go further their way.
Don’t forget gun control and tranny rights :lol, those are two wedge issues corporatists like Mike Bloomberg love to use in order to claim they’re Democrats.

[Will Hunting]

Who was the last progressive president? None of us were even alive.

Ironmex is talking as if we've actually regressed. It's always been like this.
What are you arguing here? The fact that we haven’t seen a progressive president in our lifetime doesn’t mean it’s “always been like this.” Dwight Eisenhower was considered a Republican when he was president but if he ran today he’d be considered a radical left wing communist. FDR was considerably to the left of Bernie Sanders but people claim Sanders is too radical to be president.

It’s also regressed in our lifetime. What used to be the Bob Dole/Mitt Romney healthcare plan in the 90s/2000s is now the healthcare plan that Democrats have to scratch and claw to prevent from getting repealed by Republicans who claim it’s radical communism. Democrats revere neoconservative assholes like James Mattis and have made out of control defense spending something that gets bipartisan support. Just a few examples.

[Spurminator]

Not posting this as an agreement, or because I particularly like Tom Nichols, just a relevant supplement to the conversation.

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[Spurminator]

The best I think we can hope for in the near term is a dissolution of the Trump GOP and a shift to a two party system of center-right Republicans vs. progressive Democrats.

[Will Hunting]

Not posting this as an agreement, or because I particularly like Tom Nichols, just a relevant supplement to the conversation.

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Yeah idk what he’s bitching about when he says the country needs a center right wing party, it already has one.

This guy alone is why moderate Republicans just now crying about Trump are selfish narcissistic assholes.

Marginal tax rates are basically as low as they’ve ever been since before the Great Depression, yet as they’ve gotten lower the middle class has only continued to thin out. Nevertheless, retards like this guy want his twitter followers to give him a medal for FINALLY admitting that voting for whichever candidate wants to lower taxes more without looking at anything else is childish.

[Will Hunting]

“Moderate” Republicans love to bitch about the Bible thumpers, gun nuts and white supremacists in their party as a way of trying to seem more reasonable when the truth is the Republican Party intentionally caters to all of those demographics because it’s the only way to win elections when your economic platform fucks over 95% of the country.

If the GOP just had a plain vanilla platform that centered around creating an oligarchy without any of the ancillary bullshit the way guys like this Tom Nichols hack apparently want, it wouldn’t be able to win elections. You need gimmicky ways to distract the average voter from the fact you’re raping his/her wallet, which is where the guns/theocracy/white nationalism come in.

[Spurminator]

It'll be interesting to see how the GOP pivots if they get their asses handed to them this year. I don't see the Bloombergization of the Democrat Party as a permanent thing, unless the GOP continues to offer up Trump-like candidates. Their best bet for survival could be to abandon the archaic social causes and the "scare old whites" strategy to form a real populist party that appeals to individual freedoms.

[ElNono]

Who was the last progressive president? None of us were even alive.

Ironmex is talking as if we've actually regressed. It's always been like this.

Saint Reagan today would be a RINO, borderline communist, and MAGAtards would probably find him in Epstein flight logs, tbh

[Will Hunting]

It'll be interesting to see how the GOP pivots if they get their asses handed to them this year. I don't see the Bloombergization of the Democrat Party as a permanent thing, unless the GOP continues to offer up Trump-like candidates. Their best bet for survival could be to abandon the archaic social causes and the "scare old whites" strategy to form a real populist party that appeals to individual freedoms.
How do you not see it as a permanent thing? It’s been gradually metastasizing for 50+ years. We didn’t go from FDR to Jim Crow Joe overnight, the Democratic Party has been slowly creeping to the right (at least on economic issues) ever since JFK lowered the top marginal tax rate. Why would a party that’s been slowly moving to the right since the late 1960s suddenly stop, especially if it wins big this year and can advertise its “win the center” strategy as a success?

OTOH, the GOP will be just fine the way it is as long as each state gets two senate seats regardless of size. It took total economic and social calamity for Biden to become the candidate who’s favored and for the Dems to have a chance at a 50/50 split in the senate. After the GOP got curbstomped in 2008 and 2012 all it did was double down on crazy and it worked. After Mitch McConnell is able to bully Pelosi Schumer and Biden for 4 years so nothing gets done, the same strategy will work again.

[Reck]

It took total economic and social calamity for Biden to become the candidate who’s favored and for the Dems to have a chance at a 50/50 split in the senate. After the GOP got curbstomped in 2008 and 2012 all it did was double down on crazy and it worked. After Mitch McConnell is able to bully Pelosi Schumer and Biden for 4 years so nothing gets done, the same strategy will work again.

So what happened in 2018 was a fluke? lol

Your hate for establishment dems makes you very irrational.

[Spurminator]

How do you not see it as a permanent thing? It’s been gradually metastasizing for 50+ years. We didn’t go from FDR to Jim Crow Joe overnight, the Democratic Party has been slowly creeping to the right (at least on economic issues) ever since JFK lowered the top marginal tax rate. Why would a party that’s been slowly moving to the right since the late 1960s suddenly stop, especially if it wins big this year and can advertise its “win the center” strategy as a success?

OTOH, the GOP will be just fine the way it is as long as each state gets two senate seats regardless of size. It took total economic and social calamity for Biden to become the candidate who’s favored and for the Dems to have a chance at a 50/50 split in the senate. After the GOP got curbstomped in 2008 and 2012 all it did was double down on crazy and it worked. After Mitch McConnell is able to bully Pelosi Schumer and Biden for 4 years so nothing gets done, the same strategy will work again.

If the GOP loses, they'll probably nominate someone more moderate next time around and Democrats will have to do more work to motivate progressives, else they lose another election from voter apathy.

I don't see the GOP as salvageable if it also continues to move rightward. But then the second part of my post describes how the GOP could actually evolve to capture some votes on the left. Boomers are dying and someone has to appeal to Gen Z.

[Will Hunting]

So what happened in 2018 was a fluke? lol

Your hate for establishment dems makes you very irrational.
They lost senate seats in 2018, and that’s not a criticism of establishment Dems, it’s a criticism of how our government is currently set up. The GOP has the dumbest but also most disproportionately overrepresented 35% of America eating out of its hand, which is enough to cockblock any meaningful reform from the left since the Dakotas get twice as many senators as California does.

The part of my post you quoted has nothing to do with criticizing establishment Dems. Your sensitivity towards my criticism of establishment Dems makes you irrational.

[Reck]

They lost senate seats in 2018, and that’s not a criticism of establishment Dems, it’s a criticism of how our government is currently set up. The GOP has the dumbest but also most disproportionately overrepresented 35% of America eating out of its hand, which is enough to cockblock any meaningful reform from the left since the Dakotas get twice as many senators as California does.

The part of my post you quoted has nothing to do with criticizing establishment Dems. Your sensitivity towards my criticism of establishment Dems makes you irrational.

I dont have any sensitivity really. I just want seats.

To me it doesn't matter if progressives or moderates get them as long as it's not a republican. I know you dont see a difference between the generic dem and a republican but it's there.

At least dems are accountable unlike republicans who could care less about any particular and meaningful vote that can have serious repercussion down the line just as long as they're getting paid first which is mostly what happens.

[Will Hunting]

If the GOP loses, they'll probably nominate someone more moderate next time around and Democrats will have to do more work to motivate progressives, else they lose another election from voter apathy.

I don't see the GOP as salvageable if it also continues to move rightward. But then the second part of my post describes how the GOP could actually evolve to capture some votes on the left. Boomers are dying and someone has to appeal to Gen Z.
I think the GOP already did that in 2016 by nominating a candidate who ran on a superficial platform of protectionism and ending free trade, which was made possible because Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden are so far to the right on trade deregulation and globalism Trump is able to outflank them without having to really do anything. I'm sure in 2024 we'll get another demagogue who's as far to the right as it gets but will run on a glib campaign platform that flanks the Democrats on a few issues they've lost moral high ground on.

[Spurtacular]

Don Cheadle asked Biden about defunding the police

Biden says "I think it's a good idea"

:lol

:lol Zombie Puppet will have to be told his position.

[David Hogg]

How does the DNC even have dignity after putting him up there. Before this, I always considered myself a democrat.

I know it might not matter, because most of Bernie's base are in higher populated states, but I and a lot of other people will probably never vote democrat again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcwuVXaLhpw

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah idk what he’s bitching about when he says the country needs a center right wing party, it already has one.

This guy alone is why moderate Republicans just now crying about Trump are selfish narcissistic assholes.

Marginal tax rates are basically as low as they’ve ever been since before the Great Depression, yet as they’ve gotten lower the middle class has only continued to thin out. Nevertheless, retards like this guy want his twitter followers to give him a medal for FINALLY admitting that voting for whichever candidate wants to lower taxes more without looking at anything else is childish.
Meh, he's been against Trump and Trumpismo from the start. There are some johnny-come-latelys out there, and one really has to wonder why anyone in his right mind would generally support Trump now. Can't really ask Republicans because they are afraid of those who aren't in their right minds.

I think Trump is going to be curbed one way or the other. What's worrying is that fucking Tom Cotton who really wants to be an authoritarian president out of principle and not convenience like Trump. I'm sure he's not the only one.

[Isitjustme?]

I can't say it enough: He has truly emerged as the right candidate for Democrats. He has broad appeal with people of all colors and his rhetoric is on-point even if he makes some silly gaffes from time to time (which don't ultimately matter).

Tactically speaking, I think think he does need a women of color on the ticket. Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez-Masto or Val Demings are probably high on his list.
I hate to admit it but this is true. People on the fringes aka far Trumpy right/Bernie Bro left hate him with a passion but that makes him more appealing to the regular people I talk with about him.

[IronMexican]

They were to the right when Obama was president, and Shillary was nothing but a warmonger globalist neocon.... it's just the average conservatives du jour only apparently cares about muh abortion, muh religion and muh guns...

Can't even claim to care about deficits anymore, the last two R president have been nothing but ravaging the government credit card.

Normally I would say both candidates are largely the same thing, but as much as I dislike and despise Biden (because he's more of the same), bunker bitch really took idiocy to a whole new level, tbh.
The same way the right only cares about the the decifict when a centrist is in charge, is the same way a centrist only cares about kids being in cages or displacing Latin America when a right winger is in charge.

[IronMexican]

Who was the last progressive president? None of us were even alive.

Ironmex is talking as if we've actually regressed. It's always been like this.

How mu h "change" did we get when we had our first, and very presidential black president? That's what he promised, right? What kind of change did he bring? Without looking, I'm going to say the incarceration rates stayed the same, and I know deportations weht up, and we had a shitty national Healthcare that only helped people who had kids past the age of 18, till the age of 26, which I'd a step up.


But it's time you asked more of your candidate than not just being Donald Trump.

[ElNono]

How young black voters could break Biden — and why Democrats are worried
Police brutality has spurred young African Americans to take to the streets. But it's far from clear they'll go to the polls.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/black-voters-biden-301850

[IronMexican]

Why not ask more of who you want as president? How fucking sad is it, as a Democrat that not being an absolute bafoon enough for president, and that isn't to say Biden isn't one. He seems like the kind of person to see a friend or young relative and say "where's my hug". At least by all disturbing accounts. Let's not forget, that sexual assault is suddenly okay. Compared to where we(and I'm going to say we, because I was a proud liberal in 2018), it's sad and pathetic, and definitely enough to make me never want to vote for a centrist again

[IronMexican]

Don't forget Maher callers Buttiegieg a progressive candidate. You know that POS is running in 4 or 8 years

[pgardn]

Why not ask more of who you want as president? How fucking sad is it, as a Democrat that not being an absolute bafoon enough for president, and that isn't to say Biden isn't one. He seems like the kind of person to see a friend or young relative and say "where's my hug". At least by all disturbing accounts. Let's not forget, that sexual assault is suddenly okay. Compared to where we(and I'm going to say we, because I was a proud liberal in 2018), it's sad and pathetic, and definitely enough to make me never want to vote for a centrist again

The house is on fire. The plane has run into the side of the mountain.
This is a time for basic survival, we have picked an absolutely disastrous clown.

Anyone else in 2020. We need to breathe again, not go on a body building plan.

[Thread]

The house is on fire. The plane has run into the side of the mountain.
This is a time for basic survival, we have picked an absolutely disastrous clown.

Anyone else in 2020. We need to breathe again, not go on a body building plan.

Yeah, get back to the Tired Old Shit Bags (TOSB).

You ain't gonna rest your heads though, by God. No fuckin' way. I'm gonna ride your fuckin' asses like $3 whores all day///every single day.

I'm gonna give it back to ya's, see if ya's can take it after ya's dished it.

See how many Ignore Lists I make it to.



This, THIS, I vow!!!

[SnakeBoy]

Joe for Justice


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=E_dBwokVaxA&feature=emb_logo

[Will Hunting]

Joe for Justice


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=E_dBwokVaxA&feature=emb_logo
:lol He’s got some truly spectacular quotes on this topic

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-delaware-race-20190711-story.html


“I have friends on the far left, and they can justify to me the murder of a white deaf mute for a nickel by five colored guys,” he said. “They say black men had been oppressed and so on. But they can’t justify some Alabama farmers tar and feathering an old colored woman.”

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1269622306659348480?s=19

[Spurminator]

Why not ask more of who you want as president? How fucking sad is it, as a Democrat that not being an absolute bafoon enough for president, and that isn't to say Biden isn't one. He seems like the kind of person to see a friend or young relative and say "where's my hug". At least by all disturbing accounts. Let's not forget, that sexual assault is suddenly okay. Compared to where we(and I'm going to say we, because I was a proud liberal in 2018), it's sad and pathetic, and definitely enough to make me never want to vote for a centrist again

It's fine to ask for better. A lot of us did. We lost. Now we have two choices, because those are the rules of the game. The rules of the game need to change, but they won't under GOP rule. So you either fight for baby steps or you revolt altogether, and revolting involves a lot more than just staying home on election day.

[SnakeBoy]

The house is on fire. The plane has run into the side of the mountain.
This is a time for basic survival, we have picked an absolutely disastrous clown.

Anyone else in 2020. We need to breathe again, not go on a body building plan.

It's just your side that melting down and on fire. The rest of us are just watching you clowns with bemusement before going on about our business.

[Spurminator]

:lol He’s got some truly spectacular quotes on this topic

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-delaware-race-20190711-story.html

Jesus Christ

[IronMexican]

:lol

Well, I guess I'm speaking to a tone deaf room.


All I get back, in essence is "Yeah, but what can we do. We have to vote for Joe"


And this election is an absolute slam dunk for anyone, only way it could be easier if it weren't 2016

[pgardn]

:lol

Well, I guess I'm speaking to a tone deaf room.


All I get back, in essence is "Yeah, but what can we do. We have to vote for Joe"


And this election is an absolute slam dunk for anyone, only way it could be easier if it weren't 2016

If the entire left thinks like you do, good luck with the next 4 years.

[IronMexican]

But instead of whoever Joe picks and Kane going at it, I think the entire nation deserves a Hunter vs Jr debate. This world we're living in now is worth it, if we get that.

[IronMexican]

If the entire left thinks like you do, good luck with the next 4 years.

I'm sure they don't. I also think Bernie is a fucking loser for backing a guy who uses his position to try and have sex with women.

[Will Hunting]

Jesus Christ
:lol how were all of his primary opponents incompetent enough at campaigning to not use that quote

[Will Hunting]

:lol

Well, I guess I'm speaking to a tone deaf room.


All I get back, in essence is "Yeah, but what can we do. We have to vote for Joe"


And this election is an absolute slam dunk for anyone, only way it could be easier if it weren't 2016
That was my argument...this election is a better opportunity to elect a progressive than well ever see, but like you said, deaf ears.

[pgardn]

It's just your side that melting down and on fire. The rest of us are just watching you clowns with bemusement before going on about our business.

Yeah I enjoy being lied to everyday and basically asked to hate people.
"Those biker guys, they can get tough, and they like me"

He even got the bicyclists behind him...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/06/cyclist-and-george-floyd-protesters-maryland-man-arrested-over-signs/3162824001/

Just my side melting down... This guy could be you. 60, bald, old and angry.
Are you in jail?

[pgardn]

That was my argument...this election is a better opportunity to elect a progressive than well ever see, but like you said, deaf ears.

So he should not vote because the blue team has screwed up yet again.

ANYONE ELSE 2020

[IronMexican]

That was my argument...this election is a better opportunity to elect a progressive than well ever see, but like you said, deaf ears.

Is this mono or DoK? Been so long that I forgot whos accounts are who

[Spurminator]

It's just your side that melting down and on fire. The rest of us are just watching you clowns with bemusement before going on about our business.

:lol You'd be saying this regardless of who the Dem nominee was. It's a daily affirmation to distract yourself from the fact that your "side" got hijacked by a cult of racist morons, and you will have to continue to cater to those people to have any chance of staying in power.

People who ran your party twelve years ago are all jumping ship. But sure, you guys are sailing smooth.

[Spurminator]

Would have been interesting to see what could have happened if Bernie hadn't run and his supporters had focused their efforts on a different candidate who didn't proudly brand himself a socialist. Unfortunately this is a buzzword society and branding matters.

[Will Hunting]

Would have been interesting to see what could have happened if Bernie hadn't run and his supporters had focused their efforts on a different candidate who didn't proudly brand himself a socialist. Unfortunately this is a buzzword society and branding matters.
Would have also been interesting if Uncle Tom Clyburn didn’t endorse a candidate who refers to African Americans as “colored people” :lol

[Will Hunting]

Bernie supporters were also gravitating towards Warren in the 2nd half of 2019 until she hired a bunch of ex-Clinton staffers and started playing gender identity politics with the bullshit hit piece on Bernie. I’d been giving money to Warren up until that point and then I shifted back to Bernie - not because I was offended or anything but because I knew it’d be the end of her campaign.

[IronMexican]

And she had an entire campaign built on being a "progressive" before the mask finally came off.


Warren supporters are hilarious, though. True identity politics.

[Will Hunting]

And she had an entire campaign built on being a "progressive" before the mask finally came off.


Warren supporters are hilarious, though. True identity politics.
I don’t think it was the mask coming off, I think she is a true progressive who got talked into the type of bullshit identity politics establishment democrats use to distract from real issues. She has a much better track record getting stuff done than Bernie too (ie the CFPB) so she would have been more electable if she stuck to just being a progressive.

Shes done as a presidential candidate though imo.

[FrostKing]

Would have also been interesting if Uncle Tom Clyburn didn’t endorse a candidate who refers to African Americans as “colored people” :lol
Wrong: "Colored people"

Right: "People of Color"

[ChumpDumper]

It's just your side that melting down and on fire. The rest of us are just watching you clowns with bemusement before going on about our business.Because everything is fine and Trump is doing a great job?

[DMC]

Because everything is fine and Trump is doing a great job?

Go with that strawman.

[ChumpDumper]

Go with that strawman.Stay on that fence.

[weebo]

Rats starting to jump ship.

[ElNono]

:lol

Well, I guess I'm speaking to a tone deaf room.


All I get back, in essence is "Yeah, but what can we do. We have to vote for Joe"


And this election is an absolute slam dunk for anyone, only way it could be easier if it weren't 2016

Completely agree. That ship has sailed though, at least this time around.

[DMX7]

Wrong: "Colored people"

Right: "People of Color"

Ever heard of the NAACP?

[DMX7]

I personally can’t wait to see the world’s most famous “bunker inspector” defend himself on his Central Park 5 Stance during the debate.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

If Bernie would have stopped using the Socialist moniker so much he would've had a much better chance...older and middle aged Americans are still scared to death by that word...

[DMX7]

If Bernie would have stopped using the Socialist moniker so much he would've had a much better chance...older and middle aged Americans are still scared to death by that word...

So are somewhat progressive young people that simply don’t want to lose the next election.

[IronMexican]

Completely agree. That ship has sailed though, at least this time around.
:lol

[FrostKing]

Stay on that fence.
Feet washer

[ChumpDumper]

Feet washerSure I wash my feet. You don't? Gross.

[ElNono]

:lol

Look, I'm being realistic here. I also think it was a great opportunity, and probably Bernie's last, but we're here now. There's so much lamenting you can do until you figure you gotta move on.

Obviously, that doesn't mean you should vote Biden or anything else, it means that no matter what you do, this particular opportunity was lost. c'est la vie.

[Reck]

Seriously what is IronMexican’s deal. He hates Biden (understandably) the establishment dems, but also dislikes Bernie for accepting the loss and trying to help defeat Trump, as anyone else not for Trump should be doing anyways.

Is Bernie supposed to run as a third party candidate?

[ElNono]

Seriously what is IronMexican’s deal. He hates Biden (understandably) the establishment dems, but also dislikes Bernie for accepting the loss and trying to help defeat Trump, as anyone else not for Trump should be doing anyways.

Is Bernie supposed to run as a third party candidate?

I don't think there's any 'deal'... he's just disillusioned with progressives having to eat the shit sandwich every time. He's got a point.

[ElNono]

It's probably gonna get worse if Biden picks Elena...

[IronMexican]

Seriously what is IronMexican’s deal. He hates Biden (understandably) the establishment dems, but also dislikes Bernie for accepting the loss and trying to help defeat Trump, as anyone else not for Trump should be doing anyways.

Is Bernie supposed to run as a third party candidate?

He is supporting a dude who at the very least, attempted to sexually assault Tara Reade.

[Spurminator]

It's probably gonna get worse if Biden picks Elena...

Strategically speaking, if he doesn't choose a black VP right now he probably deserves to lose.