Joe Biden was the right pick for Democrats

[baseline bum]

A bit premature, tbh... if Biden can't nail AZ with the lead he currently holds, then it might be time to pile on Aaron, tbh :lol

No matter what happens from here on out, Biden couldn't deliver us the senate when Trump killed 300,000 and drove us into the worst recession of the last 80 years. He's a fucking bum.

[Nother Level]

'nother level

:lol AaronY (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27732)

Come on, man!

[Winehole23]

No matter what happens from here on out, Biden couldn't deliver us the senate when Trump killed 300,000 and drove us into the worst recession of the last 80 years. He's a fucking bum.Definitely not looking like the safe pick right now.

[baseline bum]

Can't believe we're reduced to praying Biden can squeak out a narrow electoral victory without delivering us the senate. Absolute best best case now looks like winning one of the GA seats to get a 50/50 split and have Manchin being the swing vote. :pctoss

[FrostKing]

Can't believe we're reduced to praying Biden can squeak out a narrow electoral victory without delivering us the senate. Absolute best best case now looks like winning one of the GA seats to get a 50/50 split and have Manchin being the swing vote. :pctoss
Better days ahead. Republicans will change too. I think you will find the Conservative instead of Trump; message more attractive.

[hater]

A bit premature, tbh... if Biden can't nail AZ with the lead he currently holds, then it might be time to pile on Aaron, tbh :lol

You been hoping all nite ma nig

Ginobilly aint walking through that door wake up

[ElNono]

Can't believe we're reduced to praying Biden can squeak out a narrow electoral victory without delivering us the senate. Absolute best best case now looks like winning one of the GA seats to get a 50/50 split and have Manchin being the swing vote. :pctoss

Why can't you believe it? You need to drive turnout, and this guy spends half his campaign in his basement. Look at the pathetic Miami-Dade turnout, that's a place that gave Barry Florida twice, it's not like they don't know about it.

Then his stupidity of cornering himself with the female VP pick. All unforced errors.

[ElNono]

You been hoping all nite ma nig

Ginobilly aint walking through that door wake up

I'm not hoping anything, tbh... just going by the numbers.

My dislike for old Joe is well known, tbh, and as I already said, fortunately my life doesn't change based on who is the POTUS.

[Winehole23]

Small county, but still

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[CosmicCowboy]

Small county, but still

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I have been surprised by young hispanics I work with sporting Trump gear.

[spurraider21]

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[Winehole23]

We have two donor facing right wing parties in the US. The failure of Dems to commit to popular policies or take on corporate power has cost them.

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[Winehole23]

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[Spurminator]

I don't know how anyone can blame Bernie for any of this, but I still think he underperforms Biden if he's the candidate.

The Democrat strategy was bad this year. Very little canvassing due to COVID, way too much money spent on dead-in-the-water campaigns like McGrath's, and (probably most importantly) terrible outreach to Hispanics. All would have been issues regardless of the candidate.

[RD2191]

I don't know how anyone can blame Bernie for any of this, but I still think he underperforms Biden if he's the candidate.

The Democrat strategy was bad this year. Very little canvassing due to COVID, way too much money spent on dead-in-the-water campaigns like McGrath's, and (probably most importantly) terrible outreach to Hispanics. All would have been issues regardless of the candidate.
No one canvassed as much as Berners and Bernie had a huge outreach among Hispanic voters, not sure what you're talking about.

[RandomGuy]

No matter what happens from here on out, Biden couldn't deliver us the senate when Trump killed 300,000 and drove us into the worst recession of the last 80 years. He's a fucking bum.

I am done voting for corporate Democrats.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

No matter what happens from here on out, Biden couldn't deliver us the senate when Trump killed 300,000 and drove us into the worst recession of the last 80 years. He's a fucking bum.

It's just a new paradigm. It isn't the message anymore it's how you say your message. You can fuck someone's wife and call 'em a slut but if you get the lolz that's gonna get voters :lol
I wouldn't call Biden a bum, I still place the failures on the party itself not evolving with the people.

[Spurminator]

No one canvassed as much as Berners and Bernie had a huge outreach among Hispanic voters, not sure what you're talking about.

That was pre-COVID. Canvassing was specifically suppressed by Democrats during COVID.

Plus, a lot of the Hispanic swing was driven by socialism scaremongering against Joe Fucking Biden, how do you think that message plays against self-described Democrat Socialist Bernie Sanders?

[baseline bum]

That was pre-COVID. Canvassing was specifically suppressed by Democrats during COVID.

Plus, a lot of the Hispanic swing was driven by socialism scaremongering against Joe Fucking Biden, how do you think that message plays against self-described Democrat Socialist Bernie Sanders?

Bernie got a ton of mojado support in the primary. Massa Cylburn put an end to that shit though. I'm really fucking tired of nominating national candidates based on what redstates that have no chance of voting D in the general want.

[Spurminator]

Bernie got a ton of mojado support in the primary.

Sure, from Hispanic Democrat primary voters. Different beast in the GE.

[Will Hunting]

I’m not blaming Biden since the problem lies with the Democratic Party more than him, but as I’ve previously said, Trump wins this election in a landslide if not for COVID-19. What the Democrats have done for the last 2 election cycles clearly hasn’t worked even if they manage to squeak this race out. Tom Perez needs to be replaced as head of the DNC with someone more dynamic, and it should be clear now that centrism doesn’t work. The centrist Dems who picked up a seat in 2018 got crushed this year.

[Trainwreck2100]

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this is horseshit, this year wasn't rigged, he lost because the Dems consolidated the middle, when he never expanded his base

[baseline bum]

I’m not blaming Biden since the problem lies with the Democratic Party more than him, but as I’ve previously said, Trump wins this election in a landslide if not for COVID-19. What the Democrats have done for the last 2 election cycles clearly hasn’t worked even if they manage to squeak this race out. Tom Perez needs to be replaced as head of the DNC with someone more dynamic, and it should be clear now that centrism doesn’t work. The centrist Dems who picked up a seat in 2018 got crushed this year.

Meh Democrats would rather keep blowing elections than be a left party. They didn't learn shit from 2106, they're definitely not going to learn from 2020 when they probably still eek out the election.

[baseline bum]

And even with COVID, Trump would have landslided Biden on the EC had McConnell let a stimulus bill pass. No way that doesn't flip votes in WI and MI where they're getting raped by the pandemic if they have a $1200 check coming with Trump's name on it.

[RD2191]

And even with COVID, Trump would have landslided Biden on the EC had McConnell let a stimulus bill pass. No way that doesn't flip votes in WI and MI where they're getting raped by the pandemic if they have a $1200 check coming with Trump's name on it.
Even with all that, Trump probably wins it comfortably if he just acted a bit more presidential and took some responsibility for his handling of Covid.. Dude is a straight up piece of shit.

[Spurminator]

I'm not so sure COVID and the shutdowns didn't rally votes in Trump's favor. The only evidence we have that COVID hurt Trump is polling, which has turned out to be worthless.

[Will Hunting]

And even with COVID, Trump would have landslided Biden on the EC had McConnell let a stimulus bill pass. No way that doesn't flip votes in WI and MI where they're getting raped by the pandemic if they have a $1200 check coming with Trump's name on it.
No doubt. Heck, even with no stimulus and even with horrible COVID management, I think Trump probably clings to enough of the educated suburban vote to win if he doesn’t act like a wild animal in the first debate.

The Democrats should very much view this election as a referendum on their inability to reach working class voters. Despite fucking them over for 4 years, Trump ran up the score with working class whites by an even bigger margin.

[Bogie]

Meh Democrats would rather keep blowing elections than be a left party. They didn't learn shit from 2106, they're definitely not going to learn from 2020 when they probably still eek out the election.

What is there to lean?

if you’re going to be the president of the United States, you have to be inclusive to all citizens. The reality is one party has devolved into a cult of personality, fueled by anger resentment and fear.

you’re right, those people are never ever going to be reached. You have to out vote them, but you have a sect of this country that would rather have nothing, if it means black people also have nothing. Ironically, all these Mexicans flexing on here, are seen as exactly the same as a black person by the people they voted for.

[Bogie]

No doubt. Heck, even with no stimulus and even with horrible COVID management, I think Trump probably clings to enough of the educated suburban vote to win if he doesn’t act like a wild animal in the first debate.

The Democrats should very much view this election as a referendum on their inability to reach working class voters. Despite fucking them over for 4 years, Trump ran up the score with working class whites by an even bigger margin.


so, how do you appeal to working class voters that care more about being able to be openly racist than about their pocket books?

this election was absolutely about the make up of the citizenry of this country. 4 years ago, you could pretend he was an unknown quantity. After 4 years of him, and the r’s showing their asses, people getting crushed by a virus he is on tape saying he knew was deadly, but actively fought doing anything to try to address it, and they still voted for him. Why? Because they support him, not the party, but him.

and they voted for people down the ballot, because they are seen as people that will help him.

In what world can you appeal to those people?

[Will Hunting]

so, how do you appeal to working class voters that care more about being able to be openly racist than about their pocket books?

this election was absolutely about the make up of the citizenry of this country. 4 years ago, you could pretend he was an unknown quantity. After 4 years of him, and the r’s showing their asses, people getting crushed by a virus he is on tape saying he knew was deadly, but actively fought doing anything to try to address it, and they still voted for him. Why? Because they support him, not the party, but him.

and they voted for people down the ballot, because they are seen as people that will help him.

In what world can you appeal to those people?
Move to the right on immigration. Sorry, but the electorate has made it clear that it wants hardline populist immigration policy. Even the hispanic electorate.

[Bogie]

Move to the right on immigration. Sorry, but the electorate has made it clear that it wants hardline populist immigration policy. Even the hispanic electorate.

I agree. That’s a start. But like you said in the election thread, these first time voters in 16 and now 20 that follow the trump cult are never going to be reached. There is no message, whatsoever, any dem can ever use to sway them.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree. That’s a start. But like you said in the election thread, these first time voters in 16 and now 20 that follow the trump cult are never going to be reached. There is no message, whatsoever, any dem can ever use to sway them.True, the great hope is that the cult is confined to Trump. We'll have to see how the Cottons and Cruzes try to take up his mantle if Biden wins.

[Splits]

Bernie got a ton of mojado support in the primary. Massa Cylburn put an end to that shit though. I'm really fucking tired of nominating national candidates based on what redstates that have no chance of voting D in the general want.

This.

Any -5+ red state all go to the back of the primary line, front load it with battlegrounds and base states. Fuck you SC and Iowa.

[Bogie]

True, the great hope is that the cult is confined to Trump. We'll have to see how the Cottons and Cruzes try to take up his mantle if Biden wins.

you put the same ugly message with a polished professional looking person, who appeals to these suburban moms that moved to Biden will bring them back in the fold to keep blacks and Mexicans out of their neighborhoods

[ChumpDumper]

you put the same ugly message with a polished professional looking person, who appeals to these suburban moms that moved to Biden will bring them back in the fold to keep blacks and Mexicans out of their neighborhoodsTrue, it might have worked for Trump had he not been so overtly racist and condescendingly misogynistic about it.

[rmt]

Have not read the thread but going by the title - I agree - a mild mannered, lukewarm foil to the fiery personality of Trump. Alas, such was the Trump hate that it drove my two brothers who have never voted in their entire lives (nor ever shown the slightest interest in politics until Donald Trump) to the polls. Hopefully, I will not have to put up with any more conversation of how Trump is as bad as Hilter, Stalin or Mao.

[ChumpDumper]

Have not read the thread but going by the title - I agree - a mild mannered, lukewarm foil to the fiery personality of Trump. Alas, such was the Trump hate that it drove my two brothers who have never voted in their entire lives (nor ever shown the slightest interest in politics until Donald Trump) to the polls. Hopefully, I will not have to put up with any more conversation of how Trump is as bad as Hilter, Stalin or Mao.He's not as bad as those.

He's the just worst president in modern American history.:tu

[rmt]

He's not as bad as those.

He's the just worst president in modern American history.:tu

67.4 million Americans don't agree with this (at least, not enough to stop them from voting for him) - something Dems seem to forget.

[ChumpDumper]

67.4 million Americans don't agree with this (at least, not enough to stop them from voting for him) - something Dems seem to forget.Wilson got elected twice and he is 2nd worst to Trump.:tu

[rmt]

He's not as bad as those.

He's the just worst president in modern American history.:tu

My brothers were not the only ones, but at least I can blast them back. Unfortunately, the other was hubby's first cousin at his family reunion - he had to hold me back - can not act up with the in-laws, you know - even after all these decades :-)

[ElNono]

I’m not blaming Biden since the problem lies with the Democratic Party more than him, but as I’ve previously said, Trump wins this election in a landslide if not for COVID-19. What the Democrats have done for the last 2 election cycles clearly hasn’t worked even if they manage to squeak this race out. Tom Perez needs to be replaced as head of the DNC with someone more dynamic, and it should be clear now that centrism doesn’t work. The centrist Dems who picked up a seat in 2018 got crushed this year.

spot on, and I've been saying this since the primaries, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

My brothers were not the only ones, but at least I can blast them back. Unfortunately, the other was hubby's first cousin at his family reunion - he had to hold me back - can not act up with the in-laws, you know.:lmao triggered by Biden supporters.

[rmt]

:lmao triggered by Biden supporters.

There aren't many of those - OUTNUMBERED by Trump HATERS.

[Spurtacular]

BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote.

Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000
Total number of votes cast:
3,239,920
This is direct evidence of fraud.




Haven't checked the numbers. This is a claim someone posted.

[ChumpDumper]

There aren't many of those - OUTNUMBERED by Trump HATERS.That's what makes your being triggered even more pathetic.:rollin

[DJR210]

Trump is fucked :tu

[baseline bum]

My brothers were not the only ones, but at least I can blast them back. Unfortunately, the other was hubby's first cousin at his family reunion - he had to hold me back - can not act up with the in-laws, you know - even after all these decades :-)

Yeah too bad he held you back from getting your ass kicked

[rmt]

That's what makes your being triggered even more pathetic.:rollin

I am not triggered - just mulling how to adjust to a market that is not volatile (that's a big plus with Trump for me re: buying/selling) - and one that probably doesn't go up - at least, after the initial euphoria of Biden winning wears off and people realize that more taxes and regulation aren't good for business.

[baseline bum]

I am not triggered - just mulling how to adjust to a market that is not volatile (that's a big plus with Trump for me re: buying/selling) - and one that probably doesn't go up - at least, after the initial euphoria of Biden winning wears off and people realize that more taxes and regulation aren't good for business.

There is not going to be more taxes dumbass, McConnell still controls the senate

[rmt]

Yeah too bad he held you back from getting your ass kicked

Not from a 99 lb. surburban, CNN-watching female - I'd win that one - physically or otherwise.

[ChumpDumper]

I am not triggered - just mulling how to adjust to a market that is not volatile (that's a big plus with Trump for me re: buying/selling) - and one that probably doesn't go up - at least, after the initial euphoria of Biden winning wears off and people realize that more taxes and regulation aren't good for business.Oh bullshit, you wanted to get into a fight with your family defending fucking Donald Trump.

It was an emotional impulse because you've tied yourself to him and you'll do all the backflips and family fights necessary to nurture your one-sided relationship with a guy who will never give a shit about you.

[baseline bum]

Not from a 99 lb. surburban, CNN-watching female - I'd win that one - physically or otherwise.

ok tubby

[ChumpDumper]

:lol brags about having to be held back from getting into a fight with family defending Trump.

Claims to not be emotionally invested.

[rmt]

There is not going to be more taxes dumbass, McConnell still controls the senate

Oh, so you're saying Biden was lying when he said he's gonna make the rich and corporations pay their fair share and the Trump taxes will stay in place?

But Biden/Bernie executive orders/regulations - still bad for business.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Trump's policies were amazing for business this year.

[rmt]

Yeah, Trump's policies were amazing for business this year.

One wonders whether you believe in the lockdowns or not - can't have it both ways, you know.

[baseline bum]

Oh, so you're saying Biden was lying when he said he's gonna make the rich and corporations pay their fair share and the Trump taxes will stay in place?

But Biden/Bernie executive orders/regulations - still bad for business.

No, I'm saying Mitch McConnell is the senate majority leader you fucking moron

[ChumpDumper]

One wonders whether you believe in the lockdowns or not - can't have it both ways, you know.Lockdowns are necessary when the virus is allowed to spread uncontrolled and unmitigated to the point that hospitals reach capacity and accelerate deaths from all causes.

Trump's failure guaranteed that would happen.

It's still happening.

His fault.

[Isitjustme?]

Bernie got a ton of mojado support in the primary. Massa Cylburn put an end to that shit though. I'm really fucking tired of nominating national candidates based on what redstates that have no chance of voting D in the general want.

Bernie would have lost old people by 450 million points. This idea you can hold all the other votes in place and just change one demo makes no sense. Whatever would have happened the map would have been completely different

[SnakeBoy]

Move to the right

https://media.tenor.com/images/79ed6c85a45cbdac32d37a6408113dd2/tenor.gif

[Reck]

Have I posted in this thread yet?

OP was 100% on the mark. Biden was the right guy for the right time. Bernie, Warren and any milquetoast candidate would be getting crushed right now.

Bernie wouldn't be flipping no Arizona...or Georgia....or even PA.

Trump got the rural vote out even more this time. Biden is also doing this good while losing support among latinos and even blacks.

[SnakeBoy]

Joe Biden was the right pick for the GOP tbh

Dems are so fucked with a weak President Biden*, weak majority in the House, and Mitch running the Senate.

Honestly better outcome than I could have ever imagined :lol

[AaronY]

'nother level

:lol AaronY (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27732)
Sup bruh? Sucks we won't have the Senate but I knew Joe could bring us through

A bit premature, tbh... if Biden can't nail AZ with the lead he currently holds, then it might be time to pile on Aaron, tbh :lol
You're learning :lol

[ElNono]

You're learning :lol

:lol

[AaronY]

https://gio187.clan.su/picture4clips/other-pics/1/1/TrollFace_Fishing-c-BOO.GE-facebook-giigla.jpg


Imagine being a boomer and acting like this smh

[spurraider21]

Sup bruh? Sucks we won't have the Senate but I knew Joe could bring us through

You're learning :lol
congrats. you called det shit

truly 'nother level

[Isitjustme?]

Lmao Joe Biden the cream of the Democratic crop

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[Reck]

He and Trump are still within the margin of error of each other in most polls. A good candidate would be mopping the floor with Trump right now but Joe can barely keep his eyes open.

He was so fucking stupid to commit to picking a woman as his VP. Cory Booker would be the no brainer VP pick right now if not for that.


What polls have you been looking at? The spread is well outside the margin of error in the states that Hillary lost.

I disagree that this is coming down to Arizona. Winning that state would be like a bonus.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_biden-6861.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html

Ok, 2 out of 3. But he still leads.

In turn here's Florida
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_biden-6841.html

So they are pretty interchangable. Biden seems to have a broader path to 270. Even if you deny him Wisconsin, etc.


I think there’s more potential for funny business in Wisconsin given the corrupt state legislator and state Supreme Court. Same thing with Florida - in the last 2 elections Florida’s actual results have skewed more Republican than the polls did. You can bet DeSantis will do everything he can to make voting impossible in places like Broward County.

The most recent round of betting odds I looked at have Biden favored in Michigan and Pennsylvania, Arizona as a dead heat between them and Trump as the slight favorite in Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina.

Keep in mind, when I say it’s coming down to Arizona, I think Trump is underestimating how much trouble he’s in down there. Mark Kelly is up 13 points on McSally, which means Biden probably has a 9 point edge at least imo. The demographic makeup of the state also hurts Trump, very small rural population and a lot of suburban Karens in Maricopa County who always voted Republican before Trump but find him to be repulsive.
Will Hunting has come a long ways in 5 months. :lol

We were killing each other on who was the right candidate. Reading early posts on this thread is hilarious.

[Will Hunting]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) has come a long ways in 5 months. :lol

We were killing each other on who was the right candidate. Reading early posts on this thread is hilarious.
I called dat shit on Arizona and Trump not knowing the trouble he was in there. Murmurs from his campaign are that he hated having to visit AZ and refused to do it more often.

Just note that Biden won with record turnout from youth voters, and he did it by embracing climate change reform and a $15.00 minimum wage. If he went the ultra centrist path and gave progressives a middle finger the way Hillary did, he would have lost. He was a great candidate because he threaded the needle on winning progressives over without losing moderates.

[AaronY]

I called dat shit on Arizona and Trump not knowing the trouble he was in there. Murmurs from his campaign are that he hated having to visit AZ and refused to do it more often.

Just note that Biden won with record turnout from youth voters, and he did it by embracing climate change reform and a $15.00 minimum wage. If he went the ultra centrist path and gave progressives a middle finger the way Hillary did, he would have lost. He was a great candidate because he threaded the needle on winning progressives over without losing moderates.
I voted for $15 here and it won. Probably the best way to do it is state by state since its not getting passed in the legislature nationally any time soon. It's a shame we don't have a big Senate advantage because I think Joe could have made a lot of you guys happy with some bold legislation. One thing I liked a lot about him which in hindsight has me very worried is he's not a big fan of how much power the president has and wasn't a big fan of executive orders but he better get to be a fan of them quick.

[Will Hunting]

I voted for $15 here and it won. Probably the best way to do it is state by state since its not getting passed in the legislature nationally any time soon. It's a shame we don't have a big Senate advantage because I think Joe could have made a lot of you guys happy with some bold legislation. One thing I liked a lot about him which in hindsight has me very worried is he's not a big fan of how much power the president has and wasn't a big fan of executive orders but he better get to be a fan of them quick.
We still have Queen Stacey in Georgia aiming for a Senate majority. A 50 seat majority is definitely not ideal but Manchin isn’t running again so it might be easy to get him to do bold shit. The other move is to offer Pat Toomey a really cushy cabinet spot since he’s already said he’s not running in 2022.

I agree that if Biden had a senate majority we would have seen a lot of bold legislation. The down ballot races struggled largely due to bad messaging and campaigning imo. Maybe Biden could have done more to campaign for them but it’s not his fault Cal Cunningham had to think with his dick in the middle of a senate race. The Schumer/Pelosi campaign strategy isn’t working.

The one Democrat I’ve ever seen McConnell have a soft spot for is Biden, but yeah Biden is going to need to go nuts with executive orders.

[AaronY]

We still have Queen Stacey in Georgia aiming for a Senate majority. A 50 seat majority is definitely not ideal but Manchin isn’t running again so it might be easy to get him to do bold shit. The other move is to offer Pat Toomey a really cushy cabinet spot since he’s already said he’s not running in 2022.

I agree that if Biden had a senate majority we would have seen a lot of bold legislation. The down ballot races struggled largely due to bad messaging and campaigning imo. Maybe Biden could have done more to campaign for them but it’s not his fault Cal Cunningham had to think with his dick in the middle of a senate race. The Schumer/Pelosi campaign strategy isn’t working.

The one Democrat I’ve ever seen McConnell have a soft spot for is Biden, but yeah Biden is going to need to go nuts with executive orders.
Fucking Cal Cunningham :lol

[Will Hunting]

Fucking Cal Cunningham :lol
Theresa Greenfield is the other one I had high hopes for and I donated a lot of money to her campaign. Turns out she didn’t start visiting any of the rural areas in Iowa until 2 weeks before the election which really pissed me off when I heard it. She was personable and a good candidate so not sure why she stayed in the basement and just relied on negative ads.

Susan Collins keeping her seat is the other gut punch that really hurts.

[AaronY]

Theresa Greenfield is the other one I had high hopes for and I donated a lot of money to her campaign. Turns out she didn’t start visiting any of the rural areas in Iowa until 2 weeks before the election which really pissed me off when I heard it. She was personable and a good candidate so not sure why she stayed in the basement and just relied on negative ads.

Susan Collins keeping her seat is the other gut punch that really hurts.
Mainers went full Susan Collins by voting for Joe then immediately voting to neuter him by giving her a Senate seat lol. Gotta look like you're doing something

Anyway, I don't get all these Northeast Senators and especially Governors

[baseline bum]

Joe Biden was the right pick for the GOP tbh

Dems are so fucked with a weak President Biden*, weak majority in the House, and Mitch running the Senate.

Honestly better outcome than I could have ever imagined :lol

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?

[spurraider21]

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?
Trump

[Spurminator]

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?

Would probably have to be a country music artist or something.

[Isitjustme?]

Trump

Well from Reagan to W to Trump each generation of Republicans gets more and more grotesque so I'm thinking something even worse than Trump

[Will Hunting]

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?
The BBQ Beer guy in this video:

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[baseline bum]

Well from Reagan to W to Trump each generation of Republicans gets more and more grotesque so I'm thinking something even worse than Trump

So McConnell?

[Reck]

Theresa Greenfield is the other one I had high hopes for and I donated a lot of money to her campaign. Turns out she didn’t start visiting any of the rural areas in Iowa until 2 weeks before the election which really pissed me off when I heard it. She was personable and a good candidate so not sure why she stayed in the basement and just relied on negative ads.

Susan Collins keeping her seat is the other gut punch that really hurts.

She had no shot. Ernst clearly drafted off Trump who won here by 2016 margins.

She could have pulled a Beto and did 99+ counties and still would have lost.

[AaronY]

So McConnell?
Eddie Gallagher 2024

[baseline bum]

The BBQ Beer guy in this video:

1324094680208830464

Too low energy, had to go lie in his truck with the AC blasting after 15 seconds of ranting. Dear Leader can do it for hours.

[Will Hunting]

She had no shot. Ernst clearly drafted off Trump who won here by 2016 margins.

She could have pulled a Beto and did 99+ counties and still would have lost.
Possibly but 99 counties is what she should have done. Raising a lot of money and visiting every county isn't mutually exclusive, you can do both the way Beto did.

My sense that Greenfield and Bullock were the two senate candidates who could best run ahead of Biden in their state were right, the Trump draft was just too strong.

[Will Hunting]

Too low energy, had to go lie in his truck with the AC blasting after 15 seconds of ranting. Dear Leader can do it for hours.
I like his camo shorts. It's like he wakes up every day and tries to be white trash.

[spurraider21]

Well from Reagan to W to Trump each generation of Republicans gets more and more grotesque so I'm thinking something even worse than Trump
maybe.

but at this point i still need to be convinced that trump isn't just going to run again in 2024

[Will Hunting]

maybe.

but at this point i still need to be convinced that trump isn't just going to run again in 2024
He'll be older, fat and more incoherent than ever but yeah, nothing will convince me he's not running until he officially makes it clear he's not running.

[Isitjustme?]

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Yeesh

[Isitjustme?]

So McConnell?
McConnell's nothing, imagine when this alt-right generation of young MAGATs comes of age



maybe.

but at this point i still need to be convinced that trump isn't just going to run again in 2024

I think he will honestly

[SnakeBoy]

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?

I think it will be Ivanka if she chooses to run and she will pick her closest primary rival as vp, Kristi Noem. I don't think Big Dog will want the job at Biden's age.

[Reck]

He'll be older, fat and more incoherent than ever but yeah, nothing will convince me he's not running until he officially makes it clear he's not running.

He cant deal with ramps either. By 2024 he'll be fighting to get up a couple of stairs.

[IronMexican]

Serious question, no troll: who do you see the GOP running in 2024 to generate the kind of turnout Trump just got from his base?

Did the GOP not extend it's lead in the senate and didn't lose ground in the house?

I fully believed the boogie man that is the GOP was dead in 2012. They're not. We literally had a plague and an absolute fucking idiot was this close to winning re-election

If the Dems don't run on a platform in 2024, I don't see them winning. The incumbent might be enough if Joe runs for re-election, though

[Will Hunting]

GOP didn't extend its lead in the senate, lost 1 net seat with the potential to lose more. They shellacked the Dems in the house though.

[Spurminator]

It's pretty obvious math at this point. Unless you believe that a more progressive candidate would have driven an even higher voter turnout than the highest voter turnout election in American history, the question is how does a different Democrat candidate perform with the same voters that outvoted Democrat Senate candidates.

[IronMexican]

my bad scrah

Thought the house stayed the same.

Like I said though, never listening to a poll again. Really belived the dems were going to have all three levels of government

[baseline bum]

Did the GOP not extend it's lead in the senate and didn't lose ground in the house?

I fully believed the boogie man that is the GOP was dead in 2012. They're not. We literally had a plague and an absolute fucking idiot was this close to winning re-election

If the Dems don't run on a platform in 2024, I don't see them winning. The incumbent might be enough if Joe runs for re-election, though

Nah, the GOP lost at least one seat in the senate: McSally and Gardner lost, they picked up Jones' seat, and the remaining uncalled senate races are ones the GOP currently has (NC, Alaska, the two GA seats). Though McSally was a horrible candidate (thanks Ducey for giving us that second AZ senate seat). No doubt the Democrats are a terrible party right now, but this talk of the Republicans being ready to move on from Trump and just get him to go away quietly sounds like lunacy after he has shown the turnout he can drive.

[Will Hunting]

It's pretty obvious math at this point. Unless you believe that a more progressive candidate would have driven an even higher voter turnout than the highest voter turnout election in American history, the question is how does a different Democrat candidate perform with the same voters that outvoted Democrat Senate candidates.
IMO the obvious problem is with campaign strategy/messaging and not with what the platform is. The Dems let Trump run with the narrative that he's the best candidate for the economy and didn't do anything to call bullshit on it.

[IronMexican]

It's pretty obvious math at this point. Unless you believe that a more progressive candidate would have driven an even higher voter turn out than the highest voter turnout election in American history, the question is how does a different Democrat candidate perform with the same voters that outvoted Democrat Senate candidates.

Which is why you can't use the idea that how do the GOP get another candidate who can rile the base up like Trmp, when Trump didn't fare better than some of the candidates in his own party running for their senate seats.


Turnout was up and that was supposed to equal a total smashing of the republicans. Definitely not the case.

[Spurminator]

IMO the obvious problem is with campaign strategy/messaging and not with what the platform is. The Dems let Trump run with the narrative that he's the best candidate for the economy and didn't do anything to call bullshit on it.

Certainly there are DNC messaging issues but those aren't cured with a different candidate. They would have had that problem regardless.

[Will Hunting]

Certainly there are DNC messaging issues but those aren't cured with a different candidate. They would have had that problem regardless.
Agreed, the problem is party leadership.

IMO Biden did a great job overcoming the issues within the party. Not sure if a lesser known candidate would have been able to.

YANG 2024 until someone convinces me of a better alternative.

[baseline bum]

Agreed, the problem is party leadership.

IMO Biden did a great job overcoming the issues within the party. Not sure if a lesser known candidate would have been able to.

YANG 2024 until someone convinces me of a better alternative.

:madrun He's Taiwanese, is going to be too closely aligned to the interests of the CCP :madrun

[ElNono]

Agreed, the problem is party leadership.

IMO Biden did a great job overcoming the issues within the party. Not sure if a lesser known candidate would have been able to.

YANG 2024 until someone convinces me of a better alternative.

:elephant He's a commie socialist! you're just a weak beta male! I have a special place in my left calf tat for weak man like you! Hope you all die! :elephant

[Will Hunting]

Is anyone gonna tell me Yang doesn't diagnose the Democratic Party's issue perfectly in this clip?

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[DMC]

Is anyone gonna tell me Yang doesn't diagnose the Democratic Party's issue perfectly in this clip?

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:lol "turned another color" Don Lemon like "wtf"

Yang is spot on. I like this guy. Not sure he would change anything but he at least acknowledges the issue.

[FrostKing]

How do you expect to be the voice of the working class while simultaneously in bed with Hollywood and the media.

Not saying Democrats made the wrong decision, clearly the relentless media blitz swayed many gullible people (no shortage in America). Conservatives will always be the voice of the working class because they are the voice of the family. Democrats are the voice of the rebellious teenager, rejected gay son/daughter or angry professional athlete

[ElNono]

How do you expect to be the voice of the working class while simultaneously in bed with Hollywood and the media.

Not saying Democrats made the wrong decision, clearly the relentless media blitz swayed many gullible people (no shortage in America). Conservatives will always be the voice of the working class because they are the voice of the family.

You're just in the wrong state, if not in the wrong country, tbh

[Reck]

Really belived the dems were going to have all three levels of government

They just might yet.

If the dems pick up the 2 Georgia senate seat in the runnoffs (Looks more promising now given how bluer GA just got) with what has to be 2 of the worst GOP candidates to date.

[Will Hunting]

:lol "turned another color" Don Lemon like "wtf"

Yang is spot on. I like this guy. Not sure he would change anything but he at least acknowledges the issue.
I don't know anyone who doesn't like Yang. He'd win in a landslide if the Dems ran him.

[Will Hunting]

How do you expect to be the voice of the working class while simultaneously in bed with Hollywood and the media.

Not saying Democrats made the wrong decision, clearly the relentless media blitz swayed many gullible people (no shortage in America). Conservatives will always be the voice of the working class because they are the voice of the family. Democrats are the voice of the rebellious teenager, rejected gay son/daughter or angry professional athlete
:lmao conservatives have never been the voice of the working class, they've just pretended to be.

[baseline bum]

They just might yet.

If the dems pick up the 2 Georgia senate seat in the runnoffs (Looks more promising now given how bluer GA just got) with what has to be 2 of the worst GOP candidates to date.

Meh that's a longshot. Ossoff is a decent candidate but was still down a few points to Perdue while Warnock was way below Loeffler + Collins

[Chinook]

Just get rid of Pelosi and replace her with a younger Rep from the Sun Belt or Midwest

[DMC]

How do you expect to be the voice of the working class while simultaneously in bed with Hollywood and the media.

Not saying Democrats made the wrong decision, clearly the relentless media blitz swayed many gullible people (no shortage in America). Conservatives will always be the voice of the working class because they are the voice of the family. Democrats are the voice of the rebellious teenager, rejected gay son/daughter or angry professional athlete

They are roughly the same. Take away excessive military spending and tax and spend, you have basically the same party. The new dems are "make the US like my home country" dems.

[Will Hunting]

Meh that's a longshot. Ossoff is a decent candidate but was still down a few points to Perdue while Warnock was way below Loeffler + Collins
Well yeah but Warnock was a lot closer when you add the votes of the other black Dems who ran + Jewberman's son.

Perdue rode the Trump momentum in a big way, he showed up to every Trump rally and fed off the crowd. I'm not sure how he does without the Trump waive. Loeffler is just a shit show candidate in general :lol

[ElNono]

I don't know anyone who doesn't like Yang. He'd win in a landslide if the Dems ran him.

I love him, I just don't think he can get the nomination, tbh

[Will Hunting]

I love him, I just don't think he can get the nomination, tbh
4 years is a long time, who knows what the climate will be in 2024.

IMO an unorthodox candidate has a much better shot getting the nomination when the Democratic Party is the incumbent party.

[Reck]

Meh that's a longshot. Ossoff is a decent candidate but was still down a few points to Perdue while Warnock was way below Loeffler + Collins

I'm counting on some magahurt. They might not show up.

[ElNono]

4 years is a long time, who knows what the climate will be in 2024.

IMO an unorthodox candidate has a much better shot getting the nomination when the Democratic Party is the incumbent party.

He checks a lot of boxes for me... young, looks like he understands what's up, not a professional politician (at the moment anyways)...

[ElNono]

4 years is a long time, who knows what the climate will be in 2024.

IMO an unorthodox candidate has a much better shot getting the nomination when the Democratic Party is the incumbent party.

I'm just terrified that Schumer walks up next time and claims it's his turn...

[DarrinS]

You guys already finished with Biden*? :lol

[ElNono]

You guys already finished with Biden*? :lol

He did his job, tbh

[Will Hunting]

You guys already finished with Biden*? :lol
Trumpkiller has served his purpose :lol

[spurraider21]

I don't know anyone who doesn't like Yang. He'd win in a landslide if the Dems ran him.
main thing that has me a little apprehensive about yang is the tulsi-like alt right following he started developing

wonder what they saw in him

[ElNono]

He should go back to the freezer until 2024 and let Kamala run things... with the occasional thawing when we're about to start a new war, tbh

[Will Hunting]

main thing that has me a little apprehensive about yang is the tulsi-like alt right following he started developing

wonder what they saw in him
You really wonder :lol

It's pretty clear to me why the 28 year old who plays call of duty all day in his mom's basement would be a fan of getting free money.

[SnakeBoy]

Is anyone gonna tell me Yang doesn't diagnose the Democratic Party's issue perfectly in this clip?

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Step 1: Don't pander for the 9 year old tranny vote

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[DarrinS]

You guys already finished with Biden*? :lol


He did his job, tbh


Trumpkiller has served his purpose :lol


At least you're honest. :lol

[Ef-man]

:elephant He's a commie socialist! you're just a weak beta male! I have a special place in my left calf tat for weak man like you! Hope you all die! :elephant

:lol

Combining derp and kori!

[IronMexican]

You really wonder :lol

It's pretty clear to me why the 28 year old who plays call of duty all day in his mom's basement would be a fan of getting free money.

Fuck you for judging me

[Reck]

:lol Karrin thinks he can troll people who are high on happy right now.

[Ef-man]

Trumpkiller has served his purpose :lol

I believe the proper term is trump got “Schlonged,” just happened that the meaty member belonged to biden.

[spurraider21]

You guys already finished with Biden*? :lol
how many people here were enthusiastic about biden during the primaries? aarony and dmc... thats about it

look man, theres gonna be a few months of honeymoon period and gloating, but most of the next 4 years, at least from me, is going to be shitting on biden tbh

[Reck]

is going to be shitting on biden tbh

I dont think he's going to give you a chance unless you're a hardcore bernie bro. I think he's going to be solid.

[Will Hunting]

46 is fucking putting in work with this speech.

It must trigger the MAGAtards to see a president try to unite the country rather than try to make liberals cry.

So I repeat my question...


























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[Reck]

Biden gave Bernie his word. He'll work on climate change. Mandate mandate mandate!

[Will Hunting]

Biden gave Bernie his word. He'll work on climate change. Mandate mandate mandate!
Promises made, promises kept!

[DMX7]

46 is fucking putting in work with this speech.

It must trigger the MAGAtards to see a president try to unite the country rather than try to make liberals cry.

So I repeat my question...


























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I wanted him so badly to invoke the name of John S. McCain. Maybe tomorrow!

[FrostKing]

how many people here were enthusiastic about biden during the primaries? aarony and dmc... thats about it

look man, theres gonna be a few months of honeymoon period and gloating, but most of the next 4 years, at least from me, is going to be shitting on biden tbh
I don't forsee the media flipping this switch. I think they shift focus to attacking foreign leaders that don't align with the script. I.E evil white Macron instigating beheadings.

[FrostKing]

I wanted him so badly to invoke the name of John S. McCain. Maybe tomorrow!
McCain? Warmongering neo-nazi sympathizer.

Foreign soil isn't a Las Vegas commercial - what happens in Ukraine....

[Will Hunting]

Step 1: Don't pander for the 9 year old tranny vote

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:lol why are you telling me this? I’ve used Warren’s pandering to obscure tranny demographics as an example of left wing stupidity countless times.

[AaronY]

I wanted him so badly to invoke the name of John S. McCain. Maybe tomorrow!
Lmao that would be great

[AaronY]

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[SnakeBoy]

Imagine being a boomer and acting like this smh

GenX tbh

At what age are you planning to stop shitposting?

[DMC]

:lmao the incredible push here to manufacture an opponent to see a victory dance is hilarious but sad at the same time. If only there was a real opponent here to feel the wrath of the spiking of the football. Instead, every passer by is now a Trumptard :lol

[baseline bum]

Trumpkiller has served his purpose :lol

Disagree, fat fuck survived COVID-45