Official 2020 Draft Day Thread (Begins at 7PM CST)

[DPG21920]

Imagine drafting three MVPs in a row and having one Finals appearance to show for it and now being congratulated for stocking up on iffy draft picks :lol

Still better than trading for Derozan :lol

[SpurPadre]

It was cool to see Maledon paying his respects to TP9, tbh.

[Biggems]

he went #19

Saddiq went 19.....Tyler was on the board till shitxers just took him

[objective]

If all it took was Seth Curry to get Josh Richardson the Spurs are full blown idiots for not trading Mills for him. Of course they didn't cause Flopovich can't lose his "leader"

Philly will save about 3 million? just in salary and millions more in luxury tax savings

Mills would have cost them money

[RC_Drunkford]

And Philly sent #36 (Bey) along with Richardson to get Curry

Fuck Pop

[timvp]

Still better than trading for Derozan :lol

Tbh?

[Kurik]

he went #19
The other Bey.

Hoping for Woodard, Perry, Nwora, or Reed now.

[DPG21920]

I think should look at those teams and ask yourselves when they actually started to get a bright future and how they looked just before that?

Dallas was awful for a while. Doncic turned them around, but it's not like they were killing it with young players and whatnot before that.

Memphis refused to tank for years, even trading away a first in an effort to get better. They let guys like ZBO walk. Then they decided at the last minute to tank and got the young core you're fawning over. Also, they aren't better than the Spurs now.

NOP basically wasted seven years of Davis before lucking into Zion. They're also not better than the Spurs and may never be given Zion's potential to bust out. Still, they have a lot of picks and some young players I like.

OKC is definitely not better. They have a more interesting future. But I think they'll have to tank to get the players they want and hope they can hit on those picks. The Thunder need to move as many of those picks as possible to improve their selections. SGA is a nice prospect though.

The Suns should be better now that they did the Paul trade. I think they got a good deal in terms of players they gave up. The Spurs might want to consider making a big trade like that themselves. I think they're better, but I don't think they were before the trade.

Denver was mediocre for ever and never tanked. They lucked into a superstar and have a decent second option. They are an example of how you can "do nothing" yourself into a better future.

So..you didn’t disagree with any of it really.

Who cares about the past. Post Tim been a downhill trend filled with awful coaching and GMing and as I said Sa is far behind no matter how you look at it. Past doesn’t matter.

[Robz4000]

Imagine drafting three MVPs in a row and having one Finals appearance to show for it and now being congratulated for stocking up on iffy draft picks :lol

:lol a lot of those picks prolly end up being high lottery picks considering how close to imploding the Clippers seem

[mo7888]

Damn you Sacramento!

[The Truth #6]

We need someone taller than 6'7". So which 6' point guard are we drafting?

[DPG21920]

Tbh?

Definitely. Presti made one mistake (owners fault tbh) but been aces overall sense.

SA since Tim been gone? Downhill and it’s been 2 years post Kawhi and Sa doing nothing to atone for their mistakes. At least Presti made up for his mistakes - has Sa?

[El Santo]

Wonder if spurs will pick another guard?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bey gone, avoided one more mistake...

LOL. One of the loftiest verticals in combine history, plus rebounding and defense. Yeah, you don't want a guy like that in Today's NBA.

[**BUSTA**]

woodard gone

[lefty20]

I can't believe people are defending Spurs running it back . Other then the 3 (Keldon, White, Lonnie) keepers the rest of this team is expendable trash.

How dare the rest of the league conspire to not give us their gold in return for our overpaid trash :madrun

[ElNono]

LOL. One of the loftiest verticals in combine history, plus rebounding and defense. Yeah, you don't want a guy like that in Today's NBA.

Not on these Spurs anyways. I'm waiting for this thing to end to start the "Official 2021 Draft Day Thread"...

[Degoat]

Draft Tre Jones and trade patty’s ass

[objective]

good for Saben Lee to get picked in the 30s

Wasn't even invited to the combine. Teams must have been sandbagging.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It was cool to see Maledon paying his respects to TP9, tbh.


At least Maledon went between the Spurs' picks. I remember when they were pimping him for a lottery pick and I just cringed at the thought.

[The Truth #6]

Could have used Woodard.

[ElNono]

So, what's the consensus among the experts here? What position the Spurs are looking to fill in with this pick?

SF? Another guard would be ridiculous.

[Chomag]

Inb4 another guard

[NASpurs]

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[Dejounte]

Tre Jones... Sigh

[RC_Drunkford]

Philly will save about 3 million? just in salary and millions more in luxury tax savings

Mills would have cost them money

I get it, but I don't think that really matters. They just got rid of Horford and saved a ton of money with that move. Mills is also viewed as a much better player than Seth

[NASpurs]

Inb4 another guard

Uhh... :lol

[Degoat]

Yooo Tre Jones is a great 2nd round pick

[mo7888]

Uggh

[Darius Bieber]

Lol Tre Jones this front office is beyond stupid

[objective]

Tre Jones?

I don't know, I think Tillie on stumps or Paul Reed might have been more to my liking

[NASpurs]

Pop is going to run that all guard lineup.

[phxspurfan]

LOL another PG. PATFO

[Chomag]

PG....lmao

[Kurik]

lol, Forbes has to be out now right?....Right?

[Thomas82]

Another guard!?!?!

[dbestpro]

So Pop gonna run 5 PGs?

[BatManu20]

Spurs select PG Tre Jones at 41.

[objective]

I get it, but I don't think that really matters. They just got rid of Horford and saved a ton of money with that move. Mills is also viewed as a much better player than Seth

Other than by Pop and RC, I don't think Mills is viewed as better at all

oh well

[The Truth #6]

We need someone taller than 6'7". So which 6' point guard are we drafting?

[Mugen]

:lol

[DPG21920]

How dare the rest of the league conspire to not give us their gold in return for our overpaid trash :madrun

Calling this draft gold :lmao. Spurs trading for who you call trash then running it back :lol

[NASpurs]

Tre Jones is already better than Forbes.

[objective]

If they wanted a guard named Jones I would have rather seen Mason Jones

[Mugen]

Not sure if Bryn will have enough help around him tbh.

[Chomag]

Lmfao! I love my spurs but this FO man....:depressed

[phxspurfan]

at least we can say mufuka jones after he hits a 3

[RC_Drunkford]

Flopovich is about to play the all undersized line up of Mills, Forbes, White, Murray with Tre Jones at Center

[ZeusWillJudge]

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Could be worse. I'd settle for Trey Jones at this point.

[DPG21920]

Well at least defense matters again. Gtfo Bryn and Beli

[Degoat]

Y’all act like our Guards are Superstars or something, we need all the talent we can get no matter the position

[phxspurfan]

wow how did we miss on a Coach Cal 7 footer with a 7'5" wingspan whose only 19...

edit he's 22 *cough* ok 2nd rounder

[BackHome]

Who the fuck is picking these picks? Really can someone see if Pop and RC are passed out in the office this is getting fucking ridicules we now have 4 PG not even counting ball hog DEROZZ

[tim_duncan_fan]

So. Many. Guards.

We fucking have Quinn already. fucking hell.

Somebody dox R.C. NOW! I need his phone number immediately!

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Why did we draft an undersized point guard in the 2nd round? SMH

[dbestpro]

Thought this might be okay, but then the more I looked at his game the more it looks like he will be lucky to ever see the NBA beyond the D-League.

[$pursDynasty]

Another guard!?!?!

In other words LaMonster aint goin nowhere. He is the only inside scoring threat on the roster.

[tim_duncan_fan]

4 PG
4 SG
0 SF
1 Undersized PF
1 PF
1 C

This organization is no good.

Got hella lucky picking Tony and Manu and ran for two decades off that.

[cjw]

Everyone is acting like it’s twenty years ago and every team plays two guards and nothing more. The game is different now.

Both picks bringing proven defense is a big plus. The reason the playoff streak ended was because significant minutes went to defensive zeroes in Forbes and Beli.

[Chomag]

Y’all act like our Guards are Superstars or something, we need all the talent we can get no matter the position Well you can't play them all at the same time lol

[rankingtear]

The 2 of the best defenders at their position.

[PhantomDashCam]

Love this pick.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1326901412484222983?s=20

[phxspurfan]

In other words LaMonster aint goin nowhere. He is the only inside scoring threat on the roster.

Yo don't do our dawg DrewDaTower like dat

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well at least defense matters again. Gtfo Bryn and Beli



You had to say it didn't you? Because deep down there's part of you that worries that we'll see Beli in a Spurs' jersey next year.

[SpurPadre]

lol, Forbes has to be out now right?....Right?

No, we'll need him to spell Mills when they take turns guarding Durant, tbh.

[Mugen]

That'll do it for me tonight. Always a good time watching the old man and this garbage FO embarrass themselves.

Looking forward to the :downspin:articles tbh

[DAF86]

All those months of hype and now everybody is depressed as fuck. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

:pop: "What this team needs is more combo guards, dammit."

[Chinook]

So..you didn’t disagree with any of it really.

Who cares about the past. Post Tim been a downhill trend filled with awful coaching and GMing and as I said Sa is far behind no matter how you look at it. Past doesn’t matter.

That's a foolish mantra. The past matters because it can be used as a roadmap to the future. How did those teams lap the Spurs? First, thinking that they did is dumb. None of those teams (outside of Dallas) have passed the summit of the hill yet. The Spurs went up, stayed up and then declined, and on the way down they ran into some other teams that have been partway up and falling down over and over. They've yet to complete one circuit, and still they've passed the Spurs? Makes no sense at all. If anything, going from Robinson to Duncan, to Parker, to Leonard was the Spurs lapping other teams since they got new stars without having to go back down to the start of the trail.

Anyway, we can dispense with that analogy. It matters that those teams floundered and eventually lucked into success. That shows how that is SA is going to be the next one of those teams, they'll probably have to do the same thing for a while. None of those clubs actively tanked. They specifically didn't pick a direction for years. They did none of the things you want the Spurs to do, yet you are holding them up as examples of what SA should already be, less than three months after missing the playoffs for the first time in more than 20 years. Seriously? It's actually sort of crazy that you believe these views you're holding are logically consistent. The "past doesn't matter"? How on Earth, then was SA ever supposed to pass your test. They are "worse" than those other teams. So of course in this snap shot they have a worse present and you don't allow for a future progression to be part of your analysis, so they have to have a worse future too.

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Why did we draft an undersized point guard in the 2nd round? SMH

Best on ball defensive guard in the draft, says Jay Bilas. You need shit like that as a bench PG if your goal is to play better defense, which if you're like me, you hate losing games 132-127 or whatever. That's simply not going to win consistently.

The offense is good enough. The defense is not.

Getting really good defensive guards so the bigs aren't constantly playing help defense is among the team's biggest holes.

[Mnky]

Tre Jones is everything people wish Mills and Forbes were. He is a LEGIT PG. One of the best defenders in the class and has great awareness. Oh yea, he can shoot too.

This is literally what everyone complained was a weakness the spurs had. They just addressed it.

We drafted two of the best defenders in the draft that have a ton of fight, can shoot and have high court awareness. Glaring weaknesses in the spurs team right now.

Great Draft. If Keldon and White are those two pieces, with Lonnie as a wildcard, these two fit in well with them.

Eubanks plays well with the young guys, not anything special but you can get by for now as a rotation big. Poeltl wasnt bad, just wasnt great. With
LMA and DDR up for grabs, spurs are in a pretty good position moving forward to build something solid.

They're getting young, athletic, feisty, and defensive.

These are great picks. You cant fix an entire team in one offseason. They made positive moves so far with trades incoming.

[lefty20]

Calling this draft gold :lmao. Spurs trading for who you call trash then running it back :lol
Where in my post did I specifically call this draft gold?

And what exactly are you bitching about here? That spurs failed to trade their trash for another teams trash?

[phxspurfan]

BREAKING NEWS CELTICS PICK ANOTHER LIGHT SKINNED/PASTEY DUDE

[JuneJive]

Love this pick.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1326901412484222983?s=20

Wow.

That's impressive.

[Prime BEEF]

Lmfao! I love my spurs but this FO man....:depressed
Yup. Guards or euro trash. That’s just how it is

[Thomas82]

In other words LaMonster aint goin nowhere. He is the only inside scoring threat on the roster.

SMH

[phxspurfan]

They made positive moves so far with trades incoming.

Spurs gonna run it back by and large

[CGD]

Meh picks in a meh draft. Hopefully so free agency/trade action soon.

[DPG21920]

That's a foolish mantra. The past matters because it can be used as a roadmap to the future. How did those teams lap the Spurs? First, thinking that they did is dumb. None of those teams (outside of Dallas) have passed the summit of the hill yet. The Spurs went up, stayed up and then declined, and on the way down they ran into some other teams that have been partway up and falling down over and over. They've yet to complete one circuit, and still they've passed the Spurs? Makes no sense at all. If anything, going from Robinson to Duncan, to Parker, to Leonard was the Spurs lapping other teams since they got new stars without having to go back down to the start of the trail.

Anyway, we can dispense with that analogy. It matters that those teams floundered and eventually lucked into success. That shows how that is SA is going to be the next one of those teams, they'll probably have to do the same thing for a while. None of those clubs actively tanked. They specifically didn't pick a direction for years. They did none of the things you want the Spurs to do, yet you are holding them up as examples of what SA should already be, less than three months after missing the playoffs for the first time in more than 20 years. Seriously? It's actually sort of crazy that you believe these views you're holding are logically consistent. The "past doesn't matter"? How on Earth, then was SA ever supposed to pass your test. They are "worse" than those other teams. So of course in this snap shot they have a worse present and you don't allow for a future progression to be part of your analysis, so they have to have a worse future too.

What? No.

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BREAKING NEWS CELTICS PICK ANOTHER LIGHT SKINNED/PASTEY DUDE

The Town wouldn't have it any other way.

[phxspurfan]

Love this pick.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1326901412484222983?s=20

Gym superstar like 96/100 Bonner let's see it in a real game against other bench guards

But like others have said he's going to the G league and has to fight to even make it out of there

[DPG21920]

Where in my post did I specifically call this draft gold?

And what exactly are you bitching about here? That spurs failed to trade their trash for another teams trash?

You’re not making sense. SA should have traded LMA and/or Ddr for something in this draft. Any pick in the 1st round.

[BackHome]

I All ready looking at mock drafts for 2021 - The Spurs need to start off terrible the upcoming season cause I think the NBA will shut down in Late January so don’t want to be in another bubble.

[Sugus]

That's a foolish mantra. The past matters because it can be used as a roadmap to the future. How did those teams lap the Spurs? First, thinking that they did is dumb. None of those teams (outside of Dallas) have passed the summit of the hill yet. The Spurs went up, stayed up and then declined, and on the way down they ran into some other teams that have been partway up and falling down over and over. They've yet to complete one circuit, and still they've passed the Spurs? Makes no sense at all. If anything, going from Robinson to Duncan, to Parker, to Leonard was the Spurs lapping other teams since they got new stars without having to go back down to the start of the trail.

Anyway, we can dispense with that analogy. It matters that those teams floundered and eventually lucked into success. That shows how that is SA is going to be the next one of those teams, they'll probably have to do the same thing for a while. None of those clubs actively tanked. They specifically didn't pick a direction for years. They did none of the things you want the Spurs to do, yet you are holding them up as examples of what SA should already be, less than three months after missing the playoffs for the first time in more than 20 years. Seriously? It's actually sort of crazy that you believe these views you're holding are logically consistent. The "past doesn't matter"? How on Earth, then was SA ever supposed to pass your test. They are "worse" than those other teams. So of course in this snap shot they have a worse present and you don't allow for a future progression to be part of your analysis, so they have to have a worse future too.

Agree wholeheartedly. What's with SpursTalk posters and being obsessed with the RIGHT NOW, dismissing everything that came before? What a strange holdup.

[ElNono]

This team sitting on LMA for so long makes no sense at all, tbh...

[Chinook]

What? No.

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

[Mnky]

Spurs gonna run it back by and large

It would fit the bill, but I really think with all the Injuries and shake ups going on, the title is up for grabs.

Someone is going to think they can make a run and look at DDR and LMA and think they can push them over the line. DDR especially, with his expiring contract.

I have a feeling someone will gamble under pressure this year.

[DPG21920]

Spurs made poor decisions pre Kawhi asking out, awful decision when he was traded and then more terrible decisions post trade.

They need to bottom out more while getting as many assets as they can for the future.

If they refuse to take the best path at a minimum they need to do something to improve short term.

End of story and no matter what you want to debate - Sa is firmly behind all
Those teams either in win now, future and in a few cases both.

[DPG21920]

Agree wholeheartedly. What's with SpursTalk posters and being obsessed with the RIGHT NOW, dismissing everything that came before? What a strange holdup.

This isn’t about one year. It’s been down hill even pre Kawhi trade.

[Prime BEEF]

All those months of hype and now everybody is depressed as fuck. :lol
Yup. Now all hope is officially crushed lol

I enjoyed the trade speculations and discussions on which player to draft. Obviously knew the FO would screw it up but was still fun pre-draft. It is the going to be the only fun time of the year for spurs fans. Well also trade deadline. Trade deadline and pre-draft. That will be the peak “fun” times of every season for spurs fans for a long time.

[DPG21920]

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

Literally the exact opposite. I want them to bottom out and sell off the non next 2 year parts for as many shots in the draft as possible. I’m fine being bad for years to come until we find or MEM DAL PHX NO foundation

[Robz4000]

This isn’t about one year. It’s been down hill even pre Kawhi trade.

Its been downhill since 2014 tbh.

[ElNono]

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

[SpurPadre]

Thought this might be okay, but then the more I looked at his game the more it looks like he will be lucky to ever see the NBA beyond the D-League.

I mean, fucking Forbes has been starter on a playoff team, anything is possible.

[mo7888]

Spurs made poor decisions pre Kawhi asking out, awful decision when he was traded and then more terrible decisions post trade.

They need to bottom out more while getting as many assets as they can for the future.

If they refuse to take the best path at a minimum they need to do something to improve short term.

End of story and no matter what you want to debate - Sa is firmly behind all
Those teams either in win now, future and in a few cases both.

I expect them to do something to improve short-term now. It's obvious Pop want to make the playoff in what is probably his last year. I expect him to package a guard or two for a veteran. Maybe Gordon Hayward...

[tim_duncan_fan]

We are the Knicks now.

[ElNono]

The Spurs have choices all the time. Now, after the draft, there will be another choice to see if these picks see any floor time, how much, and how quickly they can elevate the franchise's game.

Hopefully they're given a chance in their first season.

[Sugus]

I expect them to do something to improve short-term now. It's obvious Pop want to make the playoff in what is probably his last year. I expect him to package a guard or two for a veteran. Maybe Gordon Hayward...

:depressed :vomit:

[Mugen]

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

Nono, don't grade them based on results. Grade them on the basis that their logic was sound (even though it wasn't) and that they successfully drafted the most selfless franchise player in NBA history....Nono pls.

[poopbox]

I mean, it's not that hard to be better than Murray, and I don't really care if they're younger. The Spurs would do well to not get out of DJM's deal if they don't think he's going to a top-2 or -3 player in their coffers (right now, I have him at at best fourth behind White, Johnson and Vassell and personally behind Walker Poeltl and probably 41). Protecting that young core is the first priority. The second priority can easily be to be the best team the Spurs can be this year. That's in some way for the sake of Pop and the vets. But it's also for the sake of the team's culture and the young players growing up in it. Just as Miami didn't tank when they rebuild, so won't the Spurs.

I'm not down for making MKE- or even Portland-level trades. But you can argue it intersects the Spurs' goals of rebuilding and competing by moving Murray for a better-fitting piece that also lets them shed DJM's salary going forward.

Out of all the players you listed Dejounte is the only one with a all nba selection...having him behind Vassell who has played exactly 0 seconds of nba basketball is laughable...Poeltl doesn't do anything but set good screens, commit a bunch of fouls, and have some of the worst back and shoulder acne I have ever seen.

You not down for making MKE or Portland moves? That's fine, because right now we are making no moves. Probably just going to let 1 year veteran players walk for nothing in a market where virtually EVERY team is making some move to improve their team beyond the draft...

[mo7888]

:depressed :vomit:

I know...it's not the way I'd have preferred to go but it looks like we are going to trade a couple guys for a vet and he's available...and his contract expires with Aldridge and DeRozan.

[Robz4000]

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

:madrun stop making sense !!!!! :madrun

[ElNono]

Nono, don't grade them based on results. Grade them on the basis that their logic was sound (even though it wasn't) and that they successfully drafted the most selfless franchise player in NBA history....Nono pls.

Sticking with LMA as one of the foundations of your franchise is flawed logic, no matter how you spin that. Portland knew and let him go (cue the but, but Portland never won a ring. Neither has LMA, with or without the Spurs).

[DPG21920]

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

Exactly. They’ve done nothing and it’s their own poor decisions that have put them. It’s not all other teams “Doing nothing and getting lucky”. At a minimum they bottomed out nailed draft picks and or trades and avoided taking on untradeable contracts like Sa has failed at.

[Degoat]

With the pandemic going on, guys on the team will probably get covid so you’ll need depth at every position

[phxspurfan]

It would fit the bill, but I really think with all the Injuries and shake ups going on, the title is up for grabs.

Someone is going to think they can make a run and look at DDR and LMA and think they can push them over the line. DDR especially, with his expiring contract.

I have a feeling someone will gamble under pressure this year.

Nets, Bucks are already gunning for GM of the year / offseason awards tbh. Spurs are in the typical Holting Pattern (tm). Sleepy team from sleepy town in South TX doing sleepy things, per par

[Chinook]

Literally the exact opposite. I want them to bottom out and sell off the non next 2 year parts for as many shots in the draft as possible. I’m fine being bad for years to come until we find or MEM DAL PHX NO foundation

So if you had the choice of being mediocre then a contender or being horrible and then a contender in the same length of time, you'd pick the latter? I doubt it. I think you truly believe that getting bad is the faster way to improve, and that's clearly not what any of those teams actually tried to do. They all tried to be good teams for years and just sucked at it. Very few teams actually build the way you want the the Spurs to. The Hinkie Sixers are probably the best example. I would hate that, but to each their own. However, the Spurs choosing to ferment rather than distill isn't a right/wrong thing. It's just a different philosophy than the one you have. Them doing something you don't want isn't the same thing as them doing something bad. That's why I said we believed they "suck" for different reasons. I think they've failed to take a couple of calculated risks I wanted them to try to better play the middle. You think failing to take an extreme position on their roster direction is a sign of incompetence.

[DAF86]

We can't edit posts now? timvp, what the fuck hermano? :lol

[phxspurfan]

Sticking with LMA as one of the foundations of your franchise is flawed logic, no matter how you spin that. Portland knew and let him go (cue the but, but Portland never won a ring. Neither has LMA, with or without the Spurs).

Not sure if the Blazers are the model of decision making tbh. Btw Spurs went to the conference finals and had a punchers chance before injury/ies took them out, with LMA as a key piece. Portland has been a one man show and nothing more since. It's telling that Dame wants LMA back publicly

[ElNono]

Exactly. They’ve done nothing and it’s their own poor decisions that have put them. It’s not all other teams “Doing nothing and getting lucky”. At a minimum they bottomed out nailed draft picks and or trades and avoided taking on untradeable contracts like Sa has failed at.

There's clearly allergy from this FO to blow it up. And so we're stuck in this mode where you're middle-bottom of the pack which doesn't help your picks and it doesn't let you rebuild either.

It's the worst place to be in this league, IMO.

[Robz4000]

We can't edit posts now? timvp, what the fuck hermano? :lol

Noticed this earlier too. Whats the deal?

Edit: now I can

[DAF86]

lol being named "Scrubb". :lol

[phxspurfan]

The Spurs have choices all the time. Now, after the draft, there will be another choice to see if these picks see any floor time, how much, and how quickly they can elevate the franchise's game.

Hopefully they're given a chance in their first season.

:pop: They'll be give plenty of minutes.






in the G League.

[Robz4000]

Noticed this earlier too. Whats the deal?

Edit: now I can

Looks like you can only do it up to a minute after you post.

[slick'81]

Exactly. They’ve done nothing and it’s their own poor decisions that have put them. It’s not all other teams “Doing nothing and getting lucky”. At a minimum they bottomed out nailed draft picks and or trades and avoided taking on untradeable contracts like Sa has failed at.


Spurs fo has the stank on it since the kawhi fiasco. Straight up screwed themselves into a corner with derozan and lma as their "assets"

lol possibly getting only pick 29 for lma,kawhi&ddr

[mo7888]

So if you had the choice of being mediocre then a contender or being horrible and then a contender in the same length of time, you'd pick the latter? I doubt it. I think you truly believe that getting bad is the faster way to improve, and that's clearly not what any of those teams actually tried to do. They all tried to be good teams for years and just sucked at it. Very few teams actually build the way you want the the Spurs to. The Hinkie Sixers are probably the best example. I would hate that, but to each their own. However, the Spurs choosing to ferment rather than distill isn't a right/wrong thing. It's just a different philosophy than the one you have. Them doing something you don't want isn't the same thing as them doing something bad. That's why I said we believed they "suck" for different reasons. I think they've failed to take a couple of calculated risks I wanted them to try to better play the middle. You think failing to take an extreme position on their roster direction is a sign of incompetence.

I don't think we have to be as bad as the hinkie sixers myself but , I do look at this team with alot of young wings who got experience and played fairly solid without LMA and I think we are mediocre next year with or without the Vets. So logically it makes sense to trade them for picks (especially future picks because we have so many guys coming up for contracts at similar times). At the very least we should have moved one of DD or LMA.

[DPG21920]

So if you had the choice of being mediocre then a contender or being horrible and then a contender in the same length of time, you'd pick the latter? I doubt it. I think you truly believe that getting bad is the faster way to improve, and that's clearly not what any of those teams actually tried to do. They all tried to be good teams for years and just sucked at it. Very few teams actually build the way you want the the Spurs to. The Hinkie Sixers are probably the best example. I would hate that, but to each their own. However, the Spurs choosing to ferment rather than distill isn't a right/wrong thing. It's just a different philosophy than the one you have. Them doing something you don't want isn't the same thing as them doing something bad. That's why I said we believed they "suck" for different reasons. I think they've failed to take a couple of calculated risks I wanted them to try to better play the middle. You think failing to take an extreme position on their roster direction is a sign of incompetence.

It is. Taking Derozan is incompetent. Signing Carroll is incompetent. Not making any moves to correct mistakes or even take advantage of possible value is incompetent. Mis reading market for Mills and CP3 is incompetent.

Not playing youth over Beli and Mills and Forbes is incompetent.

Not trading Ddr when he might have had value is incompetent. Not moving LMA is incompetent.

It all is and again results: Spurs are now firmly behind now/future of not only majority of their division but the west as a whole.

Spurs WOULDNT BE GOING PHILLY by cutting ties with LMA or ddr. It’s why they are not being extended and will walk for nothing.

And yeah, getting top 4 picks is the best shot at a cornerstone.

[Chinook]

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too.

Um, that being a choice was exactly the point I was making. Not liking how they choose to rebuild is different than thinking they're rebuilding objectively wrongly.


And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

I mean, they've only been at it for two years now. They were in full contender swing in 2018. If they had a bunch of different players and such, that would be a "fast process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization)."


They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

Depends on what you're talking about. Like Carroll? Yes. Bad choice. Never defended it. It would've been defensible had Pop not shown such a clear and immediate distaste for him. But like the slow decline of the team isn't a dismal result if the goal is to decline slowly. It's, like, the intended result.


I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

I mean I think you can blame them for the Kawhi trade more than you can for a number of other things you probably want to put on the list.

[ElNono]

Not sure if the Blazers are the model of decision making tbh. Btw Spurs went to the conference finals and had a punchers chance before injury/ies took them out, with LMA as a key piece. Portland has been a one man show and nothing more since. It's telling that Dame wants LMA back publicly

That team had Kawhi (injured), Manu, Parker. Completely different team.

[Dejounte]

Surprised Paul Reed hasnt been drafted

[DPG21920]

And who cares if other teams sucked at being mediocre? They ended up bad and bottomed out which proved it is the best way to be bad. Who cares if it was an accident?

[poopbox]

Tre Jones is everything people wish Mills and Forbes were. He is a LEGIT PG. One of the best defenders in the class and has great awareness. Oh yea, he can shoot too.

This is literally what everyone complained was a weakness the spurs had. They just addressed it.

We drafted two of the best defenders in the draft that have a ton of fight, can shoot and have high court awareness. Glaring weaknesses in the spurs team right now.

Great Draft. If Keldon and White are those two pieces, with Lonnie as a wildcard, these two fit in well with them.

Eubanks plays well with the young guys, not anything special but you can get by for now as a rotation big. Poeltl wasnt bad, just wasnt great. With
LMA and DDR up for grabs, spurs are in a pretty good position moving forward to build something solid.

They're getting young, athletic, feisty, and defensive.

These are great picks. You cant fix an entire team in one offseason. They made positive moves so far with trades incoming.

I like the Tre Jones pick and I agree with what you said. Problem is Tre has to unseat Pop's pet Patty. Unless Mills is traded I don't see that happening anytime soon. If they resign Mills next year I don't think Tre plays 20 games on this team the entire time he is here.

I would have been fine giving Quindary some burn at backup point guard but he didn't get a chance to play until the bubble when the spurs just didn't play Patty...

[DAF86]

Why is everybody acting as if we can't trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Mills and Gay during the season?

[phxspurfan]

That team had Kawhi (injured), Manu, Parker. Completely different team.

It's not LMA's fault Pop featured Mills./Forbes/Beli when he had LWIV/White/Murray. Also not LMA's fault it took Pop 40-50 games to start playing Murray/White backcourt and figure out his lineups

[phxspurfan]

I like the Tre Jones pick Problem is

He's probably not a bad player. Just not a needle mover from the profile. But PATFO maybe sees developing him into what they saw Murray should have become. A defensive pest who could actually play PG.

I see him turning into a Trey Lyles/ Jacque Vaughn type of PG. Steady but unspectacular. But what else can you expect reasonably from a 2nd round PG.

I just would have liked the 7 footer with 7'6" wingspan dude from Kentucky picked right after him (even if he is 22. I mean White wad picked on his like 38th birthday IIRC).


I would have been fine giving Quindary some burn at backup point guard but he didn't get a chance to play until the bubble when the spurs just didn't play Patty

From those games it seemed PATFO completely gave up on Queen Dairy

[mo7888]

Why is everybody acting as if we can't trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Mills and Gay during the season?

I dont think anyone thinks we can't....we're just worried that we won't...

[outmap]

Wow! That 54 to 58 picks are solid prospects IMHO late in the 2nd round.

[Robz4000]

Why is everybody acting as if we can't trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Mills and Gay during the season?

I think its more likely they're bought out tbh.

[objective]

It is. Taking Derozan is incompetent. Signing Carroll is incompetent. Not making any moves to correct mistakes or even take advantage of possible value is incompetent. Mis reading market for Mills and CP3 is incompetent.

Not playing youth over Beli and Mills and Forbes is incompetent.

Not trading Ddr when he might have had value is incompetent. Not moving LMA is incompetent.

It all is and again results: Spurs are now firmly behind now/future of not only majority of their division but the west as a whole.

Spurs WOULDNT BE GOING PHILLY by cutting ties with LMA or ddr. It’s why they are not being extended and will walk for nothing.

And yeah, getting top 4 picks is the best shot at a cornerstone.

Was it incompetent to refuse to ever play their best guards at the same time until the bubble?

Because why wouldn't you want Derrick White and Dejounte Murray to be intentionally limited to 24 minutes apiece?

Imagine if the bubble never happened, or if the requirements to be there were tighter and the Spurs weren't invited?

They would have just wasted an entire season without knowing if Murray and White could play together, while simultaneously killing their trade value because of minutes limits

Just absurd

[DAF86]

I dont think anyone thinks we can't....we're just worried that we won't...

We start the season, we either do well and trade nobody, or suck and make moves. Either one is fine.

[ElNono]

Um, that being a choice was exactly the point I was making. Not liking how they choose to rebuild is different than thinking they're rebuilding objectively wrongly.

The point is they've been measurably worse every year since the Kawhi departure. Clearly, if they thought they could get away with rebuilding, we know now, 3 years later, that was the wrong choice.


I mean, they've only been at it for two years now. They were in full contender swing in 2018. If they had a bunch of different players and such, that would be a "fast process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization)."

Two years? 17-18 they lost in the first round to the dubs, 18-19 lost in the first round to the nuggets, 19-20 didn't make the playoffs.


Depends on what you're talking about. Like Carroll? Yes. Bad choice. Never defended it. It would've been defensible had Pop not shown such a clear and immediate distaste for him. But like the slow decline of the team isn't a dismal result if the goal is to decline slowly. It's, like, the intended result.

I'm talking about what I mentioned above. You measure in this league by how much you win or don't win. This franchise has been clearly in a steady decline since the Kawhi move, objectively so. See our track record above in the past 3 seasons.


I mean I think you can blame them for the Kawhi trade more than you can for a number of other things you probably want to put on the list.

I don't think I can because that wasn't necessarily their choice. Their choice was to retain Kawhi, but this league allows players to make that untenable. While I could nitpick about what they got in return, I feel they had to do something they didn't want to do in that particular case. I can't say the same for the rest.

[Chinook]

It is. Taking Derozan is incompetent.

It wasn't incompetent. I didn't like it and never have. But it was obvious why they did it. Signing Carroll was incompetent because they didn't do enough homework to realize he was unplayable, and the guy running the show and signing off on bringing him in was the coach who didn't play him. There was no goal that that achieved.


Not playing youth over Beli and Mills and Forbes is incompetent.

That's a coaching thing, which I agreed with and even brought up before you did.


Not trading Ddr when he might have had value is incompetent. Not moving LMA is incompetent.

No. The goal wasn't to get future value for those players. It was to use their value as player. That's a choice you disagree with. But it wasn't incompetent. Waiving Carroll when they could've waited to use his contract in a trade is incompetent, since it didn't help them with any goal.


It all is and again results: Spurs are now firmly behind now/future of not only majority of their division but the west as a whole.

I mean, they would've been behind those teams anyway. That's how "laps" work.


Spurs WOULDNT BE GOING PHILLY by cutting ties with LMA or ddr. It’s why they are not being extended and will walk for nothing.

They'd be going Philly if they felt they had to liquidate vets and tank. You stated a goal of being bad. That's what makes it going Philly.


And yeah, getting top 4 picks is the best shot at a cornerstone.

Maybe back in the day it was.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Why is everybody acting as if we can't trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Mills and Gay during the season?

It's not that we can't. It's that we won't.

Can I just fast forward to next draft?

Only thing that can make this Spurs squad watchable next year is if Keldon shows up having added a jump shot to his body.

Ugh. I need a drink.

[Mugen]

I think its more likely they're bought out tbh.

I'm actually quite curious to read how Chin and timvp would spin those tbh. I'm guessing the "classy organization" route but genuinely interested.

[ElNono]

It's not LMA's fault Pop featured Mills./Forbes/Beli when he had LWIV/White/Murray. Also not LMA's fault it took Pop 40-50 games to start playing Murray/White backcourt and figure out his lineups

I'm not necessarily putting it on LMA, he's not the one deciding he should play or not, or what role he should have.

[phxspurfan]

I think its more likely they're bought out tbh.

No way DeMar takes a buyout. He's in it for the money. The full 29-30 mill or whatever.

[DPG21920]

Was it incompetent to refuse to ever play their best guards at the same time until the bubble?

Because why wouldn't you want Derrick White and Dejounte Murray to be intentionally limited to 24 minutes apiece?

Imagine if the bubble never happened, or if the requirements to be there were tighter and the Spurs weren't invited?

They would have just wasted an entire season without knowing if Murray and White could play together, while simultaneously killing their trade value because of minutes limits

Just absurd

Yup. All around mistake after mistake which allowed other teams, even without needing to be ultra sharp to put SA at the bottom of the West in terms of mid to long term.

Again, Sa drafts great and has done well there. They could get lucky and that’s great. But until that happens you would like to see signs they are above average. They need to be since Sa is a small market and there’s no cornerstone yet.

[Prime BEEF]

We start the season, we either do well and trade nobody, or suck and make moves. Either one is fine.
Highly doubt moves are made when they suck. They are running it back the entire way suck or slightly suck it won’t matter. The team will have lots of cash to sign people after the season and they’ll sign 38 has been combo guards or euros

[Atl Spur]

Loads of cap space next year; we’ll be competitive this year with a sturdy future. Limit dumb emotional moves......... chess not checkers. Dejounte Murray better be on notice.

[Robz4000]

I'm actually quite curious to read how Chin and timvp would spin those tbh. I'm guessing the "classy organization" route but genuinely interested.

Its something they've done in the past that they can look to as an example to build upon tbh.

[rankingtear]

Nice draft all BPA.

[Robz4000]

No way DeMar takes a buyout. He's in it for the money. The full 29-30 mill or whatever.

He'll give the Spurs a half mill discount and head to LA tbh.

[phxspurfan]

I'm not necessarily putting it on LMA, he's not the one deciding he should play or not, or what role he should have.

LMA is a solid 2nd banana, especially as a big man. We have no 1st banana. DeMar is an OK 2nd banana, but a very solid 3rd banana. Like a Caron Butler type. If we had real 1st banana material, we would be an instant contender. But theres only about 5 of those in the league rn. So best we can hope for is for our young bucks to develop and trade for a stud, or develop them and hope they become that stud. We're not going to attract the superstar to move down to SA at 25-27 years old.

[DPG21920]

It wasn't incompetent. I didn't like it and never have. But it was obvious why they did it. Signing Carroll was incompetent because they didn't do enough homework to realize he was unplayable, and the guy running the show and signing off on bringing him in was the coach who didn't play him. There was no goal that that achieved.



That's a coaching thing, which I agreed with and even brought up before you did.



No. The goal wasn't to get future value for those players. It was to use their value as player. That's a choice you disagree with. But it wasn't incompetent. Waiving Carroll when they could've waited to use his contract in a trade is incompetent, since it didn't help them with any goal.



I mean, they would've been behind those teams anyway. That's how "laps" work.



They'd be going Philly if they felt they had to liquidate vets and tank. You stated a goal of being bad. That's what makes it going Philly.



Maybe back in the day it was.

What? Zion? Luka? Booker? Morant? What are you talking about. Draft if clearly the way to go.

[Robz4000]

We start the season, we either do well and trade nobody, or suck and make moves. Either one is fine.

Spurs never make any major trades mid-season tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

the picks are ok, since this is a weak draft. What's not ok is that the Spurs don't pick a direction. You want to run it back? Ok, but at least try to improve the fuckin team. Covington was up for grabs and would've filled a need. Richardson was available and Philly even gave a high 2nd rounder away with him. You want to run it back at least trade Mills and Gay. Do something dammit. This front office is too concerned about players feelings and liking their personality than basketball. That's been the issue for years and it's also the reason why Bryn Forbes started 150 games in a row

[DPG21920]

It wasn't incompetent. I didn't like it and never have. But it was obvious why they did it. Signing Carroll was incompetent because they didn't do enough homework to realize he was unplayable, and the guy running the show and signing off on bringing him in was the coach who didn't play him. There was no goal that that achieved.



That's a coaching thing, which I agreed with and even brought up before you did.



No. The goal wasn't to get future value for those players. It was to use their value as player. That's a choice you disagree with. But it wasn't incompetent. Waiving Carroll when they could've waited to use his contract in a trade is incompetent, since it didn't help them with any goal.



I mean, they would've been behind those teams anyway. That's how "laps" work.



They'd be going Philly if they felt they had to liquidate vets and tank. You stated a goal of being bad. That's what makes it going Philly.



Maybe back in the day it was.

And getting future value should have been the goal. It’s clear now and was clear then. And yes it’s incompetent to take a terrible trade that hamstrings you and vaults you to the lower portion of the west.

[objective]

No way DeMar takes a buyout. He's in it for the money. The full 29-30 mill or whatever.

Spurs buyouts are like golden parachutes

Spurs barely get any savings at all

DDR is due to earn $ 27,739,975

He probably settles for 26.5 and gets it back from his new team after the trade deadline

[Gibbz]

So what do we think about Tre Jones?

[poopbox]

He's probably not a bad player. Just not a needle mover from the profile. But PATFO maybe sees developing him into what they saw Murray should have become. A defensive pest who could actually play PG.

I see him turning into a Trey Lyles/ Jacque Vaughn type of PG. Steady but unspectacular. But what else can you expect reasonably from a 2nd round PG.

I just would have liked the 7 footer with 7'6" wingspan dude from Kentucky picked right after him (even if he is 22. I mean White wad picked on his like 38th birthday IIRC).

I'm looking at it from the perspective of the reason why Derrick and Dejounte didn't play together more this season is because Pop needs somebody to run the second unit and Patty is not that, he is an undersized chucking 2 guard. Drafting Tre, who is a legit point guard who could run a second unit, would allow white and murray to finally play together. But, Patty is Pops pet, so he is going to be giving plenty of chances to show just how much worse he might be than Tre, while effectively keeping our two primary guards from playing together, before Pop is forced to play Tre.

I agree they seem to have given up on Quindary but I think Pop is going to be quick to give up on any guard that threatens Pops pet.



From those games it seemed PATFO completely gave up on Queen Dairy

[Robz4000]

So what do we think about Tre Jones?

Solid pick if not for the fact the Spurs have over 9000 guards already.

[phxspurfan]

the picks are ok, since this is a weak draft. What's not ok is that the Spurs don't pick a direction. You want to run it back? Ok, but at least try to improve the fuckin team. Covington was up for grabs and would've filled a need. Richardson was available and Philly even gave a high 2nd rounder away with him. You want to run it back at least trade Mills and Gay. Do something dammit. This front office is too concerned about players feelings and liking their personality than basketball. That's been the issue for years and it's also the reason why Bryn Forbes started 150 games in a row

I'm convinced it's part of PATFO brand at this point. They now they can't attract players to SA for the nightlife or scene, so it's about the loyalty and family style environment. Even if that's just branding (later, Danny LOL, later Bert :depressed).

[ElNono]

LMA is a solid 2nd banana, especially as a big man. We have no 1st banana. DeMar is an OK 2nd banana, but a very solid 3rd banana. Like a Caron Butler type. If we had real 1st banana material, we would be an instant contender. But theres only about 5 of those in the league rn. So best we can hope for is for our young bucks to develop and trade for a stud, or develop them and hope they become that stud. We're not going to attract the superstar to move down to SA at 25-27 years old.

LMA value as a 2nd banana has left the building. He's 35 years old now, and clearly never really cared about winning or losing, which is what really always made him a passenger, not a driver.

He had solid value for a contender when he was 33 maybe 34... the Spurs can't fully realize that value anymore. He would be a backup on a contender nowadays.

They should still eject him though, because he's burning money for a franchise that needs to either implode or rebuild.

[Seventyniner]

It's not that we can't. It's that we won't.

Can I just fast forward to next draft?

Only thing that can make this Spurs squad watchable next year is if Keldon shows up having added a jump shot to his body.

Ugh. I need a drink.

The good news is that you probably don't have to wait 12 months until the next draft.

[Chinook]

The point is they've been measurably worse every year since the Kawhi departure. Clearly, if they thought they could get away with rebuilding, we know now, 3 years later, that was the wrong choice.

That's not how it works. You're assuming their goal was either to contend or to rebuild with an eye toward contending as soon as possible. If that were the case, they would've done that rumored trade for a third star even without Kawhi and tried to make a run. They didn't do that because they didn't believe they were a real contender anymore. I'm sure they hoped to make the playoffs for the next few years while the young guys developed. But they clearly aligned their contracts up to be able to try to win (games, not titles) now and have the flexibility to try something else later.


Two years? 17-18 they lost in the first round to the dubs, 18-19 lost in the first round to the nuggets, 19-20 didn't make the playoffs.

You're seriously counting 2017-2018 as a year the Spurs should've tanked? Like yeah, if you were psychic. But they went that off-season with the plan to basically do with Kawhi what the Bucks just did with Giannis. There was nothing about that that was a decompression. That started once Kawhi was traded, and the Spurs have tailed off since then.


I'm talking about what I mentioned above. You measure in this league by how much you win or don't win. This franchise has been clearly in a steady decline since the Kawhi move, objectively so. See our track record above in the past 3 seasons.

That's your measure. The team's measure is simply the amount of dollars it gets. The product isn't what it used to be, but it's not as bad as it would be if they were tanking. The Sixers' ticket sales were pure doodoo. I feel like you keep restating my point as if I didn't make it before you started talking to me. The slow decompression is supposed to mean getting worse. Like ideally it wouldn't, but it's no different than what Dallas went through for the end of Dirk's career. Worked out fine for them.


I don't think I can because that wasn't necessarily their choice. Their choice was to retain Kawhi, but this league allows players to make that untenable. While I could nitpick about what they got in return, I feel they had to do something they didn't want to do in that particular case. I can't say the same for the rest.

They didn't have the option to keep Leonard, but they did have the option for what to take back. They chose DeRozan and not Kemba or any of the other packages. They also choice not to be more aggressive in trading up that year.

[Mnky]

I like the Tre Jones pick and I agree with what you said. Problem is Tre has to unseat Pop's pet Patty. Unless Mills is traded I don't see that happening anytime soon. If they resign Mills next year I don't think Tre plays 20 games on this team the entire time he is here.

I would have been fine giving Quindary some burn at backup point guard but he didn't get a chance to play until the bubble when the spurs just didn't play Patty...

I feel the same about Quin. I do believe Mills had some attention before the draft, and not just from Philly. I do believe the spurs are finally looking to actually move their veterans if the price is right. The spurs always play the game slow, I honestly expected the trades to come after the draft and they knew what they had before making any moves. Obviously, they're less likely to do anything but I would expect them to be more active now than before the draft. Teams that missed out on their players that want to make a run, will have plenty of veteran options on the spurs to call for. I think the spurs were smart in waiting.

[pad300]

Nobody drafted Killian Tillie?!? Either his medicals are horrific, or we should be looking to add him as a UDFA.

[Chinook]

And getting future value should have been the goal.

That was literally your goal. It's fine to want that goal. It wasn't their goal. That's why they didn't do it. Them not making the choice you want isn't incompetence.

[phxspurfan]

LMA value as a 2nd banana has left the building. He's 35 years old now, and clearly never really cared about winning or losing, which is what really always made him a passenger, not a driver.

He had solid value for a contender when he was 33 maybe 34... the Spurs can't fully realize that value anymore. He would be a backup on a contender nowadays.

They should still eject him though, because he's burning money for a franchise that needs to either implode or rebuild.

Just wait a year til he leaves to retire as a Blazer. The full rebuild / 20 win years are coming.

#NuclearWinter

[DPG21920]

That was literally your goal. It's fine to want that goal. It wasn't their goal. That's why they didn't do it. Them not making the choice you want isn't incompetence.

It is when you are in the position they are in. They were wrong. You’re acting like Sa has been successful with their plan and I’m just sour grapes. They are wrong. It failed and they aren’t addressing it.

[Mnky]

Nets, Bucks are already gunning for GM of the year / offseason awards tbh. Spurs are in the typical Holting Pattern (tm). Sleepy team from sleepy town in South TX doing sleepy things, per par

Without a doubt, that's more likely.

Still, their price is higher now to any of those teams that couldn't make a deal or land the player they thought would help them. Especially as it seems more teams are vulnerable now than they were a couple weeks ago. Such as the lakers and warriors possibly losing key pieces.

[DPG21920]

How anyone is ok with these results is beyond me. Calling it incompetent or not the results suck and Sa is in big trouble.

Is there any disagreements there?

[Chinook]

It is when you are in the position they are in. They were wrong. You’re acting like Sa has been successful with their plan and I’m just sour grapes. They are wrong. It failed and they aren’t addressing it.

It's not, no matter how much you wanted them to do something else. They're literally still in the middle of the first step of their plan. Anyone who even bothered to check after at least Gay's deal should've known the Spurs' plan was to play out these two years. For some reason people are like, "but I didn't know the Spurs weren't going to be contenders". And it's like, "Yeah, what part of a team led by DMDR, LMA and Gay" made you think they were getting rings?" Do I think they intended to miss the playoffs? No. Do I think they intend to miss them this year? No. Do I think they consider getting an eight-seed and them seeing those guys walk for nothing a failure? Not in the least. I think they're perfectly willing to let those guys walk after getting a final year out of them.

[tim_duncan_fan]

How anyone is ok with these results is beyond me. Calling it incompetent or not the results suck and Sa is in big trouble.

Is there any disagreements there?

My issue is that they don't seem to have a plan.

No one wants to watch the same team as last year, period. There is no merit to that and yet no changes were made.

You should be either contending or picking near the top of the draft. Being in this first round fodder limbo is the worst of all options.

What are we stalling for?

[Chinook]

How anyone is ok with these results is beyond me. Calling it incompetent or not the results suck and Sa is in big trouble.

Is there any disagreements there?

How are they in big trouble? You make it sound like they traded all of their picks for seven years on busts and are locked into horrible long-term deals. They're literally going into their first post-lottery season in forever and looking at full cap space and all of their picks save a 2022 second-rounder. The horror.

[poopbox]

I feel the same about Quin. I do believe Mills had some attention before the draft, and not just from Philly. I do believe the spurs are finally looking to actually move their veterans if the price is right. The spurs always play the game slow, I honestly expected the trades to come after the draft and they knew what they had before making any moves. Obviously, they're less likely to do anything but I would expect them to be more active now than before the draft. Teams that missed out on their players that want to make a run, will have plenty of veteran options on the spurs to call for. I think the spurs were smart in waiting.

The price shouldn't have to be right, the price just shouldn't be wrong...

LMA, DDR, Mills, and Gay, can all leave for nothing next year. If you can get a young player with 2 years or more on a good contract or a future 1st round pick, even if heavily protected, spurs should do that deal. There is no guarantee these veteran players are helping the spurs win anything if they stay. They sure as shit didn't help win anything this year...

[Kurik]

How anyone is ok with these results is beyond me. Calling it incompetent or not the results suck and Sa is in big trouble.

Is there any disagreements there?

Definitely think they are wasting their chances to collect assets for the young core. I'm just hoping they plan to be active during the season and around the deadline. If the Spurs can somehow get at least another 2021 draft pick I'd call it a success by their standards.

[ElNono]

That's not how it works. You're assuming their goal was either to contend or to rebuild with an eye toward contending as soon as possible. If that were the case, they would've done that rumored trade for a third star even without Kawhi and tried to make a run. They didn't do that because they didn't believe they were a real contender anymore. I'm sure they hoped to make the playoffs for the next few years while the young guys developed. But they clearly aligned their contracts up to be able to try to win (games, not titles) now and have the flexibility to try something else later.

You're seriously counting 2017-2018 as a year the Spurs should've tanked? Like yeah, if you were psychic. But they went that off-season with the plan to basically do with Kawhi what the Bucks just did with Giannis. There was nothing about that that was a decompression. That started once Kawhi was traded, and the Spurs have tailed off since then.

Let's do two seasons then, it works out just the same. They're aren't winning now. And we've gone over the whole 2016 plan, which turned into the 2017 plan, which turned into the 2018 plan, etc, etc etc and it never pans out because there's no such plan.

There's no plan to fully tank, and there's no plan to have enough capspace to go try to grab Harden now or whoever is available at any given time. Those two things largely go hand in hand, and as long as you keep making decisions like handing out extra years to players like Gay, Mills, LMA or DDR, the 'plan' is never going to materialize.

We've gone over these 'plans' because 'contracts line up' in here for years, and we always end up in the same place, not surprisingly either.


That's your measure. The team's measure is simply the amount of dollars it gets. The product isn't what it used to be, but it's not as bad as it would be if they were tanking. The Sixers' ticket sales were pure doodoo. I feel like you keep restating my point as if I didn't make it before you started talking to me. The slow decompression is supposed to mean getting worse. Like ideally it wouldn't, but it's no different than what Dallas went through for the end of Dirk's career. Worked out fine for them.

There's no way they get more money missing the playoffs. No way. The money argument is simply ridiculous to justify this.

I would tend to agree the product would be worse, but we're not singing praises here either. This isn't a fanbase that hasn't seen what a contending team looks like and what a scrub team looks like, so you're not fooling anybody here.

This team has been junk for a while, and one would even argue that after the 16-17 run, if Kawhi stuck around, he needed help, and LMA was a prime candidate to move to do that. So this isn't a new complain either.


They didn't have the option to keep Leonard, but they did have the option for what to take back. They chose DeRozan and not Kemba or any of the other packages. They also choice not to be more aggressive in trading up that year.

I'm not going to defend what they got back. I'm just simply stating that I'm pretty sure their long term plan wasn't to sour their relationship with Kawhi and have to trade him. In that sense, that was a development they didn't plan for, and when it happened, they had to try to make the best they could on it.

[DPG21920]

It's not, no matter how much you wanted them to do something else. They're literally still in the middle of the first step of their plan. Anyone who even bothered to check after at least Gay's deal should've known the Spurs' plan was to play out these two years. For some reason people are like, "but I didn't know the Spurs weren't going to be contenders". And it's like, "Yeah, what part of a team led by DMDR, LMA and Gay" made you think they were getting rings?" Do I think they intended to miss the playoffs? No. Do I think they intend to miss them this year? No. Do I think they consider getting an eight-seed and them seeing those guys walk for nothing a failure? Not in the least. I think they're perfectly willing to let those guys walk after getting a final year out of them.

Yeah they missed the playoffs. Hence wrong. They built a team where they can’t even trade because no one wants them :lol. How is that not wrong?

You’re telling me their plan was to have them be in the position in the Division/Conference that they are in? Shit plan tbh.


And I’ve said repeatedly that keeping DDR + LMA doesn’t harm them. At all. It’s just a symptom of their lack of vision, direction and ability to pull themselves out of the hole their decisions have placed them in

[mo7888]

It's not, no matter how much you wanted them to do something else. They're literally still in the middle of the first step of their plan. Anyone who even bothered to check after at least Gay's deal should've known the Spurs' plan was to play out these two years. For some reason people are like, "but I didn't know the Spurs weren't going to be contenders". And it's like, "Yeah, what part of a team led by DMDR, LMA and Gay" made you think they were getting rings?" Do I think they intended to miss the playoffs? No. Do I think they intend to miss them this year? No. Do I think they consider getting an eight-seed and them seeing those guys walk for nothing a failure? Not in the least. I think they're perfectly willing to let those guys walk after getting a final year out of them.

Ok, we keep the vets and run it back...finish between 9-13 and let the vets walk....then what? What is the plan exactly? Is it just to delay the rebuild a year or is there more?

[Kyle_Kuzma]

Sup? everything cool in spurs land? y’all have a good season

:smokin

[DPG21920]

How are they in big trouble? You make it sound like they traded all of their picks for seven years on busts and are locked into horrible long-term deals. They're literally going into their first post-lottery season in forever and looking at full cap space and all of their picks save a 2022 second-rounder. The horror.

Who has better franchise cornerstones:

No?
Dal?
MEM?
PHX?
Den?
Okc?

Who has better draft assets as of now?

No?
Dal?
MEM?
PHX?
Den?
Okc?

So yeah - In trouble. Does that mean Sa has nothing? No. But compared to much of their division and conference they are behind in both categories

[Prime BEEF]

Ok, we keep the vets and run it back...finish between 9-13 and let the vets walk....then what? What is the plan exactly? Is it just to delay the rebuild a year or is there more?
Exactly. There is no plan. No plan at all.

[Robz4000]

Sup? everything cool in spurs land? y’all have a good season

:smokin

Where you getting traded bruh?

[DPG21920]

I also love how Chinooks argument largely boils down to some incompetence but just not as much as I’m saying. The other stuff is just mediocre to bad asset management and riding zero value to other teams players into free agency lol

[RC_Drunkford]

the plan is Flopovich looking forward to team dinners

[Chinook]

In trouble.

No. How is having all of your starting pieces and no lingering commitments trouble? Come on, man. It's like saying you're lost on the way to the store when you're still in the house putting on your shoes.

[Robz4000]

I also love how Chinooks argument largely boils down to some incompetence but just not as much as I’m saying. The other stuff is just mediocre to bad asset management and riding zero value to other teams players into free agency lol

I'm impressed with all the typing he's done tonight tbh; dude's prolly written a book's worth. I generally agree with what he says but I just can't see the logic behind defending the direction the organization has gone post-Nephew.

[DPG21920]

Again what does it say about the Spurs plan and performance that we know they tried to trade but built a team so poorly that they can’t find + value?

[RC_Drunkford]

the thing why we want trades is if a star becomes available you most likely have to package picks. Shit like this happens every year now in the NBA. Besides that this team wouldn't be worse without one of Aldridge/DeRozan. You give that playing time and the shots to the young guys and there's no doubt in my mind the team will be as good if not better. Third thing is the dead weight of Gay and Mills has to get moved. After this draft especially Mills since we have too many guards.

And last but not least: I can't wait to have a new head coach

[Prime BEEF]

No. How is having all of your starting pieces and no lingering commitments trouble? Come on, man. It's like saying you're lost on the way to the store when you're still in the house putting on your shoes.
It’s like putting on sandals to walk through the snow to get to a grocery store that’s actually a sewage treatment plant

[DPG21920]

No. How is having all of your starting pieces and no lingering commitments trouble? Come on, man. It's like saying you're lost on the way to the store when you're still in the house putting on your shoes.

I gave you my definition of trouble. You may not like it but that’s how I frame it in my mind.

[Chinook]

Again what does it say about the Spurs plan and performance that we know they tried to trade but built a team so poorly that they can’t find + value?

Wait, why does the way the team was built have anything to do with the value of DMDR and the other vets?

[DPG21920]

Wait, why does the way the team was built have anything to do with the value of DMDR and the other vets?

What? Part of “how the team was built” was trading for Derozan, signing Mills and Gay etc..

[Chinook]

I also love how Chinooks argument largely boils down to some incompetence but just not as much as I’m saying. The other stuff is just mediocre to bad asset management and riding zero value to other teams players into free agency lol

I'm pretty sure I started this whole thing off by saying they suck. So it's not like I've been hiding criticism of them this whole discussion. I think people are attacking the wrong things, not that wrong things haven't been occurring.

[Chinook]

Let's do two seasons then, it works out just the same. They're aren't winning now. And we've gone over the whole 2016 plan, which turned into the 2017 plan, which turned into the 2018 plan, etc, etc etc and it never pans out because there's no such plan.

There's no plan to fully tank, and there's no plan to have enough capspace to go try to grab Harden now or whoever is available at any given time. Those two things largely go hand in hand, and as long as you keep making decisions like handing out extra years to players like Gay, Mills, LMA or DDR, the 'plan' is never going to materialize.

We've gone over these 'plans' because 'contracts line up' in here for years, and we always end up in the same place, not surprisingly either.

You started in 2016, which ignores how they lined up contracts in 2015 and signed Aldridge. Hell in 2016 they signed Gasol (whose contract would've been perfect had the Spurs just let him opt in). 2017 was not an alignment year, which is why they had to try to trade LMA and Green to sign Paul. 2018 wasn't a plan with contracts. They just tried to make a trade.

You make it sound like a conspiracy. Like I'm saying they have this super-secret list of huge moves they're going to pull off. It's not that at all. It's that they aligned all of their vets to expire at the same time so they can make a clear break or get them to reorganize their salaries if they were able to bring a guy in. People are surprised that they Spurs signed up for two years of vets and are going into the second year with those vets still on the team.


There's no way they get more money missing the playoffs. No way. The money argument is simply ridiculous to justify this.

I would tend to agree the product would be worse, but we're not singing praises here either. This isn't a fanbase that hasn't seen what a contending team looks like and what a scrub team looks like, so you're not fooling anybody here.

This team has been junk for a while, and one would even argue that after the 16-17 run, if Kawhi stuck around, he needed help, and LMA was a prime candidate to move to do that. So this isn't a new complain either.

Missing the playoffs wasn't their goal, and making the playoffs wasn't the alternative. They did not tear it down because they have to care more about their revenue. They full wanted to make the playoffs, which they did the first year and likely intend to do this year. Selling off LMA and the others would've made it way more likely that they'd be horrible, not just on the wrong side of mediocre.

[Chinook]

What? Part of “how the team was built” was trading for Derozan, signing Mills and Gay etc..

But you're saying that those guys don't have value because they're on the team? Like you think those guys were mistakes. That's fine. But it's weird to argue they have no trade value because they're all together.

[DPG21920]

I'm pretty sure I started this whole thing off by saying they suck. So it's not like I've been hiding criticism of them this whole discussion. I think people are attacking the wrong things, not that wrong things haven't been occurring.

At the end of the day I’ve said as well (in “agreement” with you) that SA: drafts well, has decent youth, won’t be harmed by keeping DDR + LMA one more season and then letting them walk etc.

All of that in a bubble is true. I think my definitions of “trouble” or “incompetent” or my level of frustration is what throw you off.

Again: trouble in the context of where they’ve allowed themselves to settle in the scope of their Division and the West. Both from a future asset perspective and win now perspective.

I’ve said they obviously aren’t in trouble as in no path out. My frustration lies in the constant lack of direction, poor asset management compared to the best front offices and their unwillingness to stand up to Pop both on the coaching front and GM front.

The incompetence is taking on Derozan because it was obvious to anyone with a brain that he would hamstring SA with regards to not only winning but asset accumulation in the future if (when) it was evident it didn’t work.

Now? fa approaches and let’s see if they can clean up the roster here.

I don’t see any argument on how basically running it back is justified. I’m not saying be stupid but at a minimum their needs to be trades to open up time and hopefully take a little shot at improving too since that’s obviously their goal.

[DPG21920]

But you're saying that those guys don't have value because they're on the team? Like you think those guys were mistakes. That's fine. But it's weird to argue they have no trade value because they're all together.

Yeah. Sorry. I didn’t mean because they were together. I meant Sa chose to build around players that have no value to other teams

[mo7888]

Yeah. Sorry. I didn’t mean because they were together. I meant Sa chose to build around players that have no value to other teams

Do they really have no value to other teams or are we just not willing to trade them?

[DPG21920]

Do they really have no value to other teams or are we just not willing to trade them?

Both. It feels like Sa has no plan and if someone blew their socks off they would trade. But short of that? Even if a trade helped build their future a little they aren’t willing to harm their “chance” at making playoffs at all. While at the same time not doing anything to actually help their chance.

[Prime BEEF]

Do they really have no value to other teams or are we just not willing to trade them?
It is the latter. The spurs going into the trade talks with one hand tied behind their back. They aren’t actually trying to get a good trade. They just want to say they tried so they can say they tried. Nothing more.

[SpurPadre]

We can debate all we want, at the end of the day Danny Green will get his threepeat with the Sixers, tbh.

[Chinook]

At the end of the day I’ve said as well (in “agreement” with you) that SA: drafts well, has decent youth, won’t be harmed by keeping DDR + LMA one more season and then letting them walk etc.

All of that in a bubble is true. I think my definitions of “trouble” or “incompetent” or my level of frustration is what throw you off.

Again: trouble in the context of where they’ve allowed themselves to settle in the scope of their Division and the West. Both from a future asset perspective and win now perspective.

I’ve said they obviously aren’t in trouble as in no path out. My frustration lies in the constant lack of direction, poor asset management compared to the best front offices and their unwillingness to stand up to Pop both on the coaching front and GM front.

The incompetence is taking on Derozan because it was obvious to anyone with a brain that he would hamstring SA with regards to not only winning but asset accumulation in the future if (when) it was evident it didn’t work.

Now? fa approaches and let’s see if they can clean up the roster here.

I don’t see any argument on how basically running it back is justified. I’m not saying be stupid but at a minimum their needs to be trades to open up time and hopefully take a little shot at improving too since that’s obviously their goal.

And I get that. I've never said you don't have a right to be frustrated or have a strong idea about what you want the team to do. I definitely didn't want them to sit on their hands. As you said, I think they needed to clean up their roster quite a bit. The only saving grace is that if they do pull off a trade, you can argue that future picks had more value than ones from this past draft. I also think the Spurs need to close the deal on some of these trades. It's crazy that the Sixers were willing to do Richardson straight-up for Mills and SA couldn't make it work. I don't necessarily want the Spurs to take on a Wiggins level of salary. But turning Gay or Mills at least into a future asset might be a good balance between not tearing it down but still not wasting the value that four big playable expiring contracts should have.

[Chinook]

We can debate all we want, at the end of the day Danny Green will get his threepeat with the Sixers, tbh.

Philly is my own stomping ground, so I look after the Sixers every once in a while. Definitely rooting for them this year, especially if they beat LAC in the Finals.

[ElNono]

You started in 2016, which ignores how they lined up contracts in 2015 and signed Aldridge. Hell in 2016 they signed Gasol (whose contract would've been perfect had the Spurs just let him opt in). 2017 was not an alignment year, which is why they had to try to trade LMA and Green to sign Paul. 2018 wasn't a plan with contracts. They just tried to make a trade.

You make it sound like a conspiracy. Like I'm saying they have this super-secret list of huge moves they're going to pull off. It's not that at all. It's that they aligned all of their vets to expire at the same time so they can make a clear break or get them to reorganize their salaries if they were able to bring a guy in. People are surprised that they Spurs signed up for two years of vets and are going into the second year with those vets still on the team.

Because going back to the Tim/Manu/Kawhi years is simply not the point, since we were contending (largely thanks to them). And there was space for Aldrige because the vets back then went ahead and took paycuts to make it happen. So the PATFO master plan had a lot of help from selfless vets, which you know you're not getting from LMA or DDR.

When the bottom fell off and Kawhi left, there were decisions to make. I get your point that perhaps at that time they thought they could rebuild. Two years laters and results at hand, it's simply the wrong choice, IMO.

Now, you could argue that you can't go back and change that and that's fair, but there's no reason not to change it now.



Missing the playoffs wasn't their goal, and making the playoffs wasn't the alternative. They did not tear it down because they have to care more about their revenue. They full wanted to make the playoffs, which they did the first year and likely intend to do this year. Selling off LMA and the others would've made it way more likely that they'd be horrible, not just on the wrong side of mediocre.

We're splitting hairs here, if you ask me. We would be running kids on low contracts (not a terrible thing) and being horrible (which is pretty much how I feel every time Bryn touches a basketball, tbh).

This team will only make the playoffs this year if it gets out-tanked by other teams. And for what? First round fodder? How long can you keep that gig up?

I think hardcore fans will still watch no matter what product you put in there, and I doubt casuals really care about 35-year old LMA.

[SpurPadre]

Philly is my own stomping ground, so I look after the Sixers every once in a while. Definitely rooting for them this year, especially if they beat LAC in the Finals.

They have a better shot to make the Finals than the Clippers, IMO.

[DPG21920]

And I get that. I've never said you don't have a right to be frustrated or have a strong idea about what you want the team to do. I definitely didn't want them to sit on their hands. As you said, I think they needed to clean up their roster quite a bit. The only saving grace is that if they do pull off a trade, you can argue that future picks had more value than ones from this past draft. I also think the Spurs need to close the deal on some of these trades. It's crazy that the Sixers were willing to do Richardson straight-up for Mills and SA couldn't make it work. I don't necessarily want the Spurs to take on a Wiggins level of salary. But turning Gay or Mills at least into a future asset might be a good balance between not tearing it down but still not wasting the value that four big playable expiring contracts should have.

And that’s one of my biggest beefs. It’s alarming how much of a statistical outlier SA is on trades. Trades are hard but there is more than just bad luck here. They are legitimately bad at trading.

They lack any imagination and need to think long and hard about taking some bad deals if it means getting picks. Why? Are free agents really choosing Sa anytime soon? Does having draft capital play to their strengths?

They really have not shown they understand the modern NBA. They used to have legit advantages over other front offices? Now? I honestly believe they are a bottom tier front office at this point. It’s scary.

[DPG21920]

I am just legit shocked that Sa didn’t move up. I really wonder if Vassell was truly that high on their board or if they just couldn’t close any deals.

[Robz4000]

I am just legit shocked that Sa didn’t move up. I really wonder if Vassell was truly that high on their board or if they just couldn’t close any deals.

I definitely think it was that they couldn't get any deals done. Whether its their own incompetence or other teams refusing to make a trade that didn't make themselves look as complete winners is the question.

[Atl Spur]

Our front office isn’t incompetent; we needed both these players. This what success breads I see; sad that our fans are super short sighted. We can switch and hound everything on the perimeter....we will be competitive in most all games. Not to mention our cap space moving forward.....

[BackHome]

Really we needed another PG while we already have 3 PG and an ball dominant SG DEROZZ and not able to move any of our expiring contracts in LMA, DEROZZ, Rudy, or even Mills has shown this organization is truly Incompetent -

You add the in ability to do any trades and suspect draft added to last two seasons screw up in the KY trade and the Bertans for nothing trade and just use another word which would be this organization just plain SUCKS

[Prime BEEF]

I am just legit shocked that Sa didn’t move up. I really wonder if Vassell was truly that high on their board or if they just couldn’t close any deals.
They just are horrible at judging talent and closing deals. And they half ass the negotiations. They know they need to do deals but don’t really want to and it shows in their half ass effort to do anything

[Prime BEEF]

We can debate all we want, at the end of the day Danny Green will get his threepeat with the Sixers, tbh.
Has anyone else done a 3-peat with 3 different teams? I can’t think of anyone that’s done that

[lefty20]

Really we needed another PG while we already have 3 PG and an ball dominant SG DEROZZ and not able to move any of our expiring contracts in LMA, DEROZZ, Rudy, or even Mills has shown this organization is truly Incompetent -

You add the in ability to do any trades and suspect draft added to last two seasons screw up in the KY trade and the Bertans for nothing trade and just use another word which would be this organization just plain SUCKS

I love how people forget that there is literally 0% chance the a 2nd round pick will get any minutes with the big league club anyways. It's always a guaranteed ticket straight to Austin, no matter the position of the player and the needs of the team.

Getting a defensively solid PG with a decent shot at the 41st pick is not bad. Especially when Mills and DD are both FAs after next year. As a bonus, Trey can make Murray expendable if he pans out better than expected. People are literally incapable of looking past one year.

[BackHome]

You could say the same for first round draft picks living in G League.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I didn't watch the end of the draft. The Rockets got the 52 pick from the Kings for a bag of chips, and took Kenyon Martin Jr. I think some people will be kicking themselves for not having that foresight. Other teams buy second round picks for cash, or next to nothing. The Spurs? Not a chance.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I love how people forget that there is literally 0% chance the a 2nd round pick will get any minutes with the big league club anyways. It's always a guaranteed ticket straight to Austin, no matter the position of the player and the needs of the team.



As long as the Spurs have Pop and 50 Mills, that's a fact.

[Atl Spur]

Really we needed another PG while we already have 3 PG and an ball dominant SG DEROZZ and not able to move any of our expiring contracts in LMA, DEROZZ, Rudy, or even Mills has shown this organization is truly Incompetent -

You add the in ability to do any trades and suspect draft added to last two seasons screw up in the KY trade and the Bertans for nothing trade and just use another word which would be this organization just plain SUCKS

So, you like OKC’s moves better? If not them.....who?

[Atl Spur]

I love how people forget that there is literally 0% chance the a 2nd round pick will get any minutes with the big league club anyways. It's always a guaranteed ticket straight to Austin, no matter the position of the player and the needs of the team.

Getting a defensively solid PG with a decent shot at the 41st pick is not bad. Especially when Mills and DD are both FAs after next year. As a bonus, Trey can make Murray expendable if he pans out better than expected. People are literally incapable of looking past one year.

This

[DPG21920]

u
I love how people forget that there is literally 0% chance the a 2nd round pick will get any minutes with the big league club anyways. It's always a guaranteed ticket straight to Austin, no matter the position of the player and the needs of the team.

Getting a defensively solid PG with a decent shot at the 41st pick is not bad. Especially when Mills and DD are both FAs after next year. As a bonus, Trey can make Murray expendable if he pans out better than expected. People are literally incapable of looking past one year.

That’s the front office :lol “we want muh 40 wins!!” “I want muh Derozan in a trade because I’m worried more about this season than my future” “we have to play muh Forbes & Beli because this year is only thing that matters!! Muh wins!”

[rankingtear]

Really we needed another PG while we already have 3 PG and an ball dominant SG DEROZZ and not able to move any of our expiring contracts in LMA, DEROZZ, Rudy, or even Mills has shown this organization is truly Incompetent -

You add the in ability to do any trades and suspect draft added to last two seasons screw up in the KY trade and the Bertans for nothing trade and just use another word which would be this organization just plain SUCKS

There are only 20 prospects on average that make it on the league every draft. If one of those players is still available when you pick at 41 then who cares what position he plays.

[DPG21920]

I have zero confidence in Wright. None.

He’s been in hiding needing RC to speak for him and answer questions most of the time lol and when he does speak it’s not exactly confident. He obviously has no juice to stand up to Pop and do whats right (apparently neither does RC) and he played a big role in the disaster that was the DeRozan deal and embarrassed the sh*t out of SA as Kawhi goes onto to win and get what he wants while Pop trots out Beli, Forbes and does not play the youth at all.

Prove me wrong.

I will say - he drafted well & hearing him speak was the most clear & confident I’ve heard him to date.

Let’s see a plan & direction in free agency now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I will say - he drafted well


He did the obvious. Tre Jones was pretty obvious at 41. He could have picked Haliburton at 11, and you would be saying the same thing. Probably if he would have taken Lewis, or several other guys. This draft was chock full of mid-tier, role players and he got one of them. Yahoo. Sorry, but that's not enough for me to believe he's somehow turned a corner.

Yeah, lets see evidence of an actual cohesive plan, and not just filling a roster with a bunch of pieces and then trying to figure out how to get the 8 playoff seed with them. Then I'll give credit where it's due.

[DPG21920]

He did the obvious. Tre Jones was pretty obvious at 41. He could have picked Haliburton at 11, and you would be saying the same thing. Probably if he would have taken Lewis, or several other guys. This draft was chock full of mid-tier, role players and he got one of them. Yahoo. Sorry, but that's not enough for me to believe he's somehow turned a corner.

Yeah, lets see evidence of an actual cohesive plan, and not just filling a roster with a bunch of pieces and then trying to figure out how to get the 8 playoff seed with them. Then I'll give credit where it's due.

I mean I’m obviously not singing his praises & FA looms. But he could have taken Bey or someone really uninspired but he didn’t and sounded like someone who understands the future and what type of player is most valuable.

Does not mean he’s capable of fixing mistakes or pulling of creative trades or whatever. But IMO, I was looking to be proven wrong and while he disappointed me with no DDR or LMA deal, he did well in the draft all things considered

[The Truth #6]

True. Last night could have gone poorly. In the draft they held ground and didn't screw up. I think the next big step is to see what they do with Forbes. Their history suggests they will keep him...

[ZeusWillJudge]

I mean I’m obviously not singing his praises & FA looms. But he could have taken Bey or someone really uninspired but he didn’t and sounded like someone who understands the future and what type of player is most valuable.

Does not mean he’s capable of fixing mistakes or pulling of creative trades or whatever. But IMO, I was looking to be proven wrong and while he disappointed me with no DDR or LMA deal, he did well in the draft all things considered


A plan. Commit to a direction, and focus every move in that direction. I've heard you say it any number of times.

He doesn't have to be mistake-free in his moves, so long as there's a clear direction. I don't see that. And the draft choices don't clarify anything. I'll wait to see what he does in FA, but I don't have a good feeling about it.

[DPG21920]

A plan. Commit to a direction, and focus every move in that direction. I've heard you say it any number of times.

He doesn't have to be mistake-free in his moves, so long as there's a clear direction. I don't see that. And the draft choices don't clarify anything. I'll wait to see what he does in FA, but I don't have a good feeling about it.

Me either but while there isn’t a plan evident the types of players drafted at least speak to a path moving forward on the types of players who will be targeted.

I’ve been harsh on him because it’s critical SA has the right man for the job so it’s only fair to acknowledge when he does something solid. Draft was solid.

But still needs to prove himself in the other phases (fa and trades)

[duncan2150]

Really we needed another PG while we already have 3 PG and an ball dominant SG DEROZZ and not able to move any of our expiring contracts in LMA, DEROZZ, Rudy, or even Mills has shown this organization is truly Incompetent -

You add the in ability to do any trades and suspect draft added to last two seasons screw up in the KY trade and the Bertans for nothing trade and just use another word which would be this organization just plain SUCKS

Like i said in the other thread, Jones is more a floor manager than murray or white who are more PG/SG imo . We need that type of back pg since years ... maybe he will not pan out. We'll see but he is definitively a need.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Me either but while there isn’t a plan evident the types of players drafted at least speak to a path moving forward on the types of players who will be targeted.

I’ve been harsh on him because it’s critical SA has the right man for the job so it’s only fair to acknowledge when he does something solid. Draft was solid.

But still needs to prove himself in the other phases (fa and trades)

But there is a plan, it's just that you don't like it. The plan has always been to be as good as possible with the players available without mortgaging the future and this plan has been very consistent over the years. You want them to tank hard but perhaps they can't afford to do it financially, or they're not allowed to do so by the owners, or perhaps they just don't think this would be the best path to becoming contenders down the line. The last thing you can accuse them of is that there isn't a plan.

[DPG21920]

But there is a plan, it's just that you don't like it. The plan has always been to be as good as possible with the players available without mortgaging the future and this plan has been very consistent over the years. You want them to tank hard but perhaps they can't afford to do it financially, or they're not allowed to do so by the owners, or perhaps they just don't think this would be the best path to becoming contenders down the line. The last thing you can accuse them of is that there isn't a plan.

This is so wrong (imo) I don’t even know where to begin.

[TimDunkem]

"mortgaging the future"

What future is there with a big 3 of DePression, LMA, and post-achilles Rudy fucking Gay? :lmao

[Kurgan]

"mortgaging the future"

What future is there with a big 3 of DePression, LMA, and post-achilles Rudy fucking Gay? :lmao

Seriously. You can't mortgage something that doesn't exist.

[Atl Spur]

Seriously. You can't mortgage something that doesn't exist.

Your joking right? Clowns everywhere....... Spurs future is bright. Who would you rather be right now Okc, Memphis,Phoenix,Houston, or San Antonio?

[Russ]

Has anyone else done a 3-peat with 3 different teams? I can’t think of anyone that’s done that

How about Horry with Houston, LA and the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

But there is a plan, it's just that you don't like it. The plan has always been to be as good as possible with the players available without mortgaging the future and this plan has been very consistent over the years. You want them to tank hard but perhaps they can't afford to do it financially, or they're not allowed to do so by the owners, or perhaps they just don't think this would be the best path to becoming contenders down the line. The last thing you can accuse them of is that there isn't a plan.

or maybe Flopovich is a senile old dictator who's holding the franchise hostage

The least they could do is flip 2 bench guys for a legit starter, which I don't expect them to do at all. Gay & Mills can easily get you a starting PF back

[r0drig0lac]

Your joking right? Clowns everywhere....... Spurs future is bright. Who would you rather be right now Okc, Memphis,Phoenix,Houston, or San Antonio?

suns or okc (if you’re not looking into the past, Spurs isn’t close to being the best situation)

[Mugen]

Your joking right? Clowns everywhere....... Spurs future is bright. Who would you rather be right now Okc, Memphis,Phoenix,Houston, or San Antonio?

Memphis & Phoenix easily. Probably OKC as well considering how good Presti is at drafting and their stockpile, SGA is also arguably the best player/prospect on either team. Houston at least has a franchise cornerstone and if/when they trade him, it's almost 100% guaranteed that they're going to get a much better return than what the Spurs got for Kawhi.

Any other teams? :lol

[Leetonidas]

OKC, Memphis, and PHX are clearly in better spots than us. Houston is imploding so that's a different story

[Degoat]

Spurs are in really good spot lol they have several young players with promise, plus Cap space going forward .... Memphis will find a way to screw up building around Ja, if suns don’t make playoffs booker and CP3 will want out... OKC is in great position though

[Prime BEEF]

How about Horry with Houston, LA and the Spurs.
From wiki:”Robert Horry, John Salley, LeBron James and Danny Green are the only players to have won championships with three different teams.”

looks like green would be the only one to win 3 straight with 3 different teams if the sixers were to win next season

[DPG21920]

Your joking right? Clowns everywhere....... Spurs future is bright. Who would you rather be right now Okc, Memphis,Phoenix,Houston, or San Antonio?

All of them over Sa except maybe Houston and let’s see what they get for Harden

Now does that mean they all have every advantage over Sa or are guaranteed success? No. SA may end up lapping them. But objectively looking at each roster and draft capital? Hard to paint Sa as ahead

[Leetonidas]

So Thompson tore his Achilles. If Spurs had a deal lined up with GS you can guarantee that injury killed it

[YoungbuckMurray]

So Thompson tore his Achilles. If Spurs had a deal lined up with GS you can guarantee that injury killed it

mills to GS??

[Prime BEEF]

Your joking right? Clowns everywhere....... Spurs future is bright. Who would you rather be right now Okc, Memphis,Phoenix,Houston, or San Antonio?
Easy choices are Memphis and Phoenix. They both have better teams, better young players, better coaches and better FO. I would easily trade rosters and coaches with suns and griz right now.

Houston is TBD. if they manage to trade away harden for dinwiddie, lavert and Allen...they’ll actually be a better team than they were with Harden. OKC is TBD and is in rebuilding mode so they are a couple years ahead of us right now.

[Prime BEEF]

or maybe Flopovich is a senile old dictator who's holding the franchise hostage

The least they could do is flip 2 bench guys for a legit starter, which I don't expect them to do at all. Gay & Mills can easily get you a starting PF back
Yes please. Need a real defensive PF

[Prime BEEF]

Memphis & Phoenix easily. Probably OKC as well considering how good Presti is at drafting and their stockpile, SGA is also arguably the best player/prospect on either team. Houston at least has a franchise cornerstone and if/when they trade him, it's almost 100% guaranteed that they're going to get a much better return than what the Spurs got for Kawhi.

Any other teams? :lol
Spot on

[Atl Spur]

Before you boys start handing out awards, please go take a look at roster talent & cap space..... Those teams idolize SA’s positioning. We can compete and rebuild at the same damn time #givemhellvassell

[r0drig0lac]

Before you boys start handing out awards, please go take a look at roster talent & cap space..... Those teams idolize SA’s positioning. We can compete and rebuild at the same damn time #givemhellvassell

man..

[Atl Spur]

Yes please. Need a real defensive PF

Luka is your PF for the future; LA / Lyles are the place holders for now. Patience young Jedi

[Prime BEEF]

All of them over Sa except maybe Houston and let’s see what they get for Harden

Now does that mean they all have every advantage over Sa or are guaranteed success? No. SA may end up lapping them. But objectively looking at each roster and draft capital? Hard to paint Sa as ahead
Agreed. Hard to deny when looking at it objectively

[Atl Spur]

man..

We shall see; I predict we will be better than most if not all the teams you state are better. A friendly wager never hurt........

[Atl Spur]

Let me know boys..... the bank is open��

[R. DeMurre]

So Thompson tore his Achilles. If Spurs had a deal lined up with GS you can guarantee that injury killed it

Damn... That could be the end of Golden State's run... do they trade Draymond now and start thinking of 2022?

[KobesAchilles]

Damn... That could be the end of Golden State's run... do they trade Draymond now and start thinking of 2022?
They should've moved off of Draymond the second Durant left. He was obviously falling off a cliff and the dude's body is just done. He has no lift anymore and can barely dunk. I mean how many times has the dude been rimchecked :lol

But instead they extended him another 3 years on a horrible contract. At least they had the balls to actually tank for the future. I wish another organization (Spurs) would try that as well.

[TD 21]

:lmao At so many getting their hopes up. I knew they wouldn't do a damn thing either with the current roster or within the draft.

Probably hesitated on Mills for Richardson, then watched it fall through the cracks as Terry fell into the Mavericks lap, making Curry redundant and a cost controlled version of Mills for the 76ers.

Avdija seems their type, falls to 9 and they have depth of assets in terms of 1.5's to 2.5's and a clear need for a 3.5.

Haliburton unexpectedly falls into their lap. Could have sold high on White or dumped Murray.

Woodard, who they supposedly like, goes one pick in front of them. Could have probably relatively easily acquired him, the way teams do with 2nds regularly.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I don't remember who it was that was such a fan of Mason Jones, but the Rockets signed him as an UFA.

[R. DeMurre]

Well, the poll predictions were accurate at least... we Spur fans are accustomed to the FO generally being conservative on draft night.

[B1gduff]

Memphis & Phoenix easily. Probably OKC as well considering how good Presti is at drafting and their stockpile, SGA is also arguably the best player/prospect on either team. Houston at least has a franchise cornerstone and if/when they trade him, it's almost 100% guaranteed that they're going to get a much better return than what the Spurs got for Kawhi.

Any other teams? :lol


This is joke. Memphis and Phoenix having a better future than us/ Phonenix is one injury away from exploding. memphis was reeling by the end of the year, they lack an additional all-star. Houstan is fucked. OkC has a bright futre, but Presti hasn't won big.
All of these teams,including us and except Houstan cuz no one know where they at) are at a similar spot. They are all competeing for the 7-8th spot or the lottery. Unless one of the teams develops an superstar, there at the same spot.

[Robz4000]

This is joke. Memphis and Phoenix having a better future than us/ Phonenix is one injury away from exploding. memphis was reeling by the end of the year, they lack an additional all-star. Houstan is fucked. OkC has a bright futre, but Presti hasn't won big.
All of these teams,including us and except Houstan cuz no one know where they at) are at a similar spot. They are all competeing for the 7-8th spot or the lottery. Unless one of the teams develops an superstar, there at the same spot.

Phoenix has a superstar now in Booker, and Memphis has a probable future one in Morant.