spurs have the worst future in their division

[baseline bum]

IDK, Kyrie seems like the kind of guy who will take less money for the situation he feels best suits him. I'm not sure North Texas is the kind of place he'll feel at home.

He'd have to take way less money though. Don't really see him as the kind of guy to take MLE to go play in say Chicago or Cleveland.

[Sugus]

:lmao Dallas
:lmao OP

[scott]

How does missing the playoffs impact the way we view Luka?

Superstars don't miss the playoffs in their primes. Interesting article on how many times "all time greats" have missed the playoffs. https://www.nba.com/news/nba-legends-missing-out-playoffs

[scott]

LOL DALLAS

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Would be hilarious to watch their pick get stripped.

[Ariel]

LOL DALLAS

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Would be hilarious to watch their pick get stripped.
As far as it pertains us and Houston, this might be another small push to keep up appearances and put up a competitive lineup in the last 2 games. Shouldn't be enough to beat Minnesota (hopefully), but maybe it will get us a tie with Houston even if we end up beating Dallas.

[scott]

As far as it pertains us and Houston, this might be another small push to keep up appearances and put up a competitive lineup in the last 2 games. Shouldn't be enough to beat Minnesota (hopefully), but maybe it will get us a tie with Houston even if we end up beating Dallas.

Well, Collins and Johnson are out today, so there goes that.

[Ariel]

Well, Collins and Johnson are out today, so there goes that.
:lol

[K...]

"The Houston Rockets are declining to pick up the fourth-year option on coach Stephen Silas' contract, ending his three-year run leading the franchise's rebuild, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Sunday."

just wanted to put this here, maybe they strike gold and OP wins the argument or maybe they are mired in dysfunction and cant surface into anything. but in addition to disfunction and blatant tanking, no loyalty.

[Mr. Body]

"The Houston Rockets are declining to pick up the fourth-year option on coach Stephen Silas' contract, ending his three-year run leading the franchise's rebuild, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Sunday."

just wanted to put this here, maybe they strike gold and OP wins the argument or maybe they are mired in dysfunction and cant surface into anything. but in addition to disfunction and blatant tanking, no loyalty.

The problem stems from ownership and perhaps with the GM - we'll see if he gets rid of KPJ and gives a better direction to the team.

[offset formation]

I'll reassess our status after the draft relative to the other teams in our division.

For now, I'd no longer put NO or Dallas above us given Zion's health and Cuban's incompetence in putting the right kind of players around Luka. So that just leaves Memphis and Houston. Houston only because they could land Wembanyama like us. Really the immediate future of the division is likely Memphis or maybe Dallas if they can salvage anything there. But we're a solid third at worst next season.

[K...]

Not our division but crazy these tank teams can't think ahead more than a few years. Detroit and houston both have talent to build on.

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[J_Paco]

Not our division but crazy these tank teams can't think ahead more than a few years. Detroit and houston both have talent to build on.

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And yet both are hanging out in the bottom with a far, far less talented (even just based on potential) team like the Spurs. Crazy that neither team has seen much improvement over the last three years other than accumulating high draft picks.

They are both are in need of a new coach and an actual fucking direction or improvement in play.

[exstatic]

The problem stems from ownership and perhaps with the GM - we'll see if he gets rid of KPJ and gives a better direction to the team.

Their whole team is a bunch of immature jackasses. Getting rid of KPJ, while necessary, won't fix their janky culture.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Feels like Houston is going to continue to suck, and Dallas might have screwed the pooch signing Kyrie. I could see Memphis blowing it up if they lose early in the post season, and NO will always be marginal as long as Zion's never-ending string of injuries is in the mix.

It's a pretty dysfunctional division. No championship caliber teams are rising from this mix for a while. Spurs land Wemby and they could be right back at the top of the division within 2 seasons. Top of the garbage heap! :lol

[Mr. Body]

Feels like Houston is going to continue to suck, and Dallas might have screwed the pooch signing Kyrie. I could see Memphis blowing it up if they lose early in the post season, and NO will always be marginal as long as Zion's never-ending string of injuries is in the mix.

It's a pretty dysfunctional division. No championship caliber teams are rising from this mix for a while. Spurs land Wemby and they could be right back at the top of the division within 2 seasons. Top of the garbage heap! :lol

There might be a lot of Western Conference teams tumbling out of the sky pretty soon. LeBron can't last forever and Davis sucks without him. Clippers only have a short run. Warriors won't last forever. Chris Paul and Durant are near the end. What teams will join OKC as the best of the bunch?

[scott]

Not our division but crazy these tank teams can't think ahead more than a few years. Detroit and houston both have talent to build on.

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It’s wild that coaches (like Casey and Silas) agree to be part of these shit shows - they have to realize that by signing up to lead these rebuilds only to get fired mid-stream or towards the “end”* probably means you’ll never have a head coaching gig in this league again. Then again, maybe this was their only shot at a HC gig to begin with? I don’t know enough about Casey or Silas to say. Either way, hope the money was worth it, because you’re pretty much damaged goods at this point.

*Reminds me of the Browns firing Sashi Brown after he completely rebuilt their team and made them halfway respectable again, only for his successors to once again screw up that franchise. Sashi is in a better place now (President of the Ravens after a short stint leading the Wizards)

[rascal]

There might be a lot of Western Conference teams tumbling out of the sky pretty soon. LeBron can't last forever and Davis sucks without him. Clippers only have a short run. Warriors won't last forever. Chris Paul and Durant are near the end. What teams will join OKC as the best of the bunch?

Lakers can turn it around through free agency. They have a history of adding the top players in the leaue through free agency.

It wouldn't surprise me if Wemby ends up signing there in the future.

Spurs have to get lucky in the draft and build that way.

[exstatic]

Lakers can turn it around through free agency. They have a history of adding the top players in the leaue through free agency.

It wouldn't surprise me if Wemby ends up signing there in the future.

Spurs have to get lucky in the draft and build that way.

Their history is 1966 and 2018. That’s it. LeBron didn’t even go there for basketball. He went to get a jump on his second career in the entertainment industry.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Their history is 1966 and 2018. That’s it. LeBron didn’t even go there for basketball. He went to get a jump on his second career in the entertainment industry.

Not necessarily with success, but they've added a lot of star power over the years simply because it's the Lakers. I think they have the ability to rebuild much quicker than a small market team. They're just so badly run these days that they might fall a cliff (hopefully) when LeBron is done there. They're teetering on the edge looking down right now.

[exstatic]

Not necessarily with success, but they've added a lot of star power over the years simply because it's the Lakers. I think they have the ability to rebuild much quicker than a small market team. They're just so badly run these days that they might fall a cliff (hopefully) when LeBron is done there. They're teetering on the edge looking down right now.

Those other players were usually past their prime and chasing rings, not players you can build a title contender with. rascal was talking about them rebuilding with a superstar FA, and I pointed out that it's really only happened twice for them in the FA era.

[JPB]

Just remembered Luka can"t be traded before next year... Imagining Flat Earther bolting and mavs failing in this draft, next season could be funky in Dallas.

[ambchang]

Their history is 1966 and 2018. That’s it. LeBron didn’t even go there for basketball. He went to get a jump on his second career in the entertainment industry.

Well officially shaq was traded but effectively he chose la over Orlando in free agency. Kareem forced his way there. Davis forced his way there. Kobe threatened not to show up as a nets to force his way there. Magic threatened not to show up in Chicago if they got the first pick (moot point since they didn’t).

If you want to say just purely free agency then fine but the reality is that those trades wouldn’t have happened for any other team.

[exstatic]

Well officially shaq was traded but effectively he chose la over Orlando in free agency. Kareem forced his way there. Davis forced his way there. Kobe threatened not to show up as a nets to force his way there. Magic threatened not to show up in Chicago if they got the first pick (moot point since they didn’t).

If you want to say just purely free agency then fine but the reality is that those trades wouldn’t have happened for any other team.

When the Lakers bottom out, ain’t no one forcing their way there. LeBron will do his usual, leaving a team a burnt husk upon his departure. Even with LeBron and their Mickey Mouse title and stealing AD from the Pels, a LOT of the cachet has worn off the Lakers in the last ten years.

Oh, and find me a link that Shaq was traded to LA, please. It was a straight up FA signing.

[ambchang]

When the Lakers bottom out, ain’t no one forcing their way there. LeBron will do his usual, leaving a team a burnt husk upon his departure. Even with LeBron and their Mickey Mouse title and stealing AD from the Pels, a LOT of the cachet has worn off the Lakers in the last ten years.

Oh, and find me a link that Shaq was traded to LA, please. It was a straight up FA signing.

Oh my bad. Looked it up and shaq straight up signed. I for some reason thought he forced a sign and trade.

As for bottoming out, lakers only had one real bottom out ever and that’s Kobe’s doing. All the other times the lakers got back before bottoming out because stars force their way there or they get some incredibly advantageous trades.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, the Lakers were in a bad state because of Kobe and they rebounded perfectly. The league got them Anthony Davis and LeBron signed there.

They'll always be in good hands.

[exstatic]

Oh my bad. Looked it up and shaq straight up signed. I for some reason thought he forced a sign and trade.

As for bottoming out, lakers only had one real bottom out ever and that’s Kobe’s doing. All the other times the lakers got back before bottoming out because stars force their way there or they get some incredibly advantageous trades.

There was another bad patch, post Magic, pre Shaq/Kobe of four or five years. In the time the Spurs have been in the NBA, the Lakers have missed the playoffs more than we have. I think a lot of the shine has come off their brand. They have missed the playoffs seven of the last ten years.

[CGD]

This thread seemed like the best place for this

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lol rockets

Drew was feeling himself

[ambchang]

There was another bad patch, post Magic, pre Shaq/Kobe of four or five years. In the time the Spurs have been in the NBA, the Lakers have missed the playoffs more than we have. I think a lot of the shine has come off their brand. They have missed the playoffs seven of the last ten years.
The post magic spell wasn’t that bad. They barely missed the playoffs once and was middle tier low end playoff team the rest of the way. It’s purgatory for sure but ain’t bottoming out.

[exstatic]

The post magic spell wasn’t that bad. They barely missed the playoffs once and was middle tier low end playoff team the rest of the way. It’s purgatory for sure but ain’t bottoming out.

It was for Showtime. Dell Harris lost his job over it, and the fans were carrying torches and pitchforks.

[ambchang]

It was for Showtime. Dell Harris lost his job over it, and the fans were carrying torches and pitchforks.

And they attracted Shaq and Kobe out of it.

I am not sure what the issues were the last few years, perhaps with an increasingly digital world players no longer feel they need to be in LA to make it into the entertainment industry. But the lifestyle, opportunities to be seen, the glamour is still unmatched in another NBA city, or any North American city, period.

[cjw]

Pelicans with terrible loss to a team that was a year or two away from trying. Would love to see Thunder rip through the Wolves as well and put them out of their misery (also get that Thunder pick out of the lottery!)

[exstatic]

Pelicans with terrible loss to a team that was a year or two away from trying. Would love to see Thunder rip through the Wolves as well and put them out of their misery (also get that Thunder pick out of the lottery!)

Yeah, but the problem with that is that it gives Utah TWO lottery picks, their own and Minny’s.

[exstatic]

And they attracted Shaq and Kobe out of it.

I am not sure what the issues were the last few years, perhaps with an increasingly digital world players no longer feel they need to be in LA to make it into the entertainment industry. But the lifestyle, opportunities to be seen, the glamour is still unmatched in another NBA city, or any North American city, period.

Super teams. LA never had the money for a top 3rd player, and LeBron ran off their draft picks, BI, Julius, and DLo who later becomes All Stars so that he could bring in his friends, who were either old or fragile.

The lakers became irrelevant in the decade of super teams.

[rascal]

Yeah, but the problem with that is that it gives Utah TWO lottery picks, their own and Minny’s.

Another potential trade partner because Utah will have three first round picks this year.
Spurs should move on one of those lottery picks in a trade with that Toronto pick next year.

[cjw]

Yeah, but the problem with that is that it gives Utah TWO lottery picks, their own and Minny’s.

Cheering for Miami over Chicago slightly reduces the ping pong balls that Utah (and possibly New Orleans) can accrue. Difference of a few percent in getting a top four, and slightly under a percent on Wemby.

[John B]

Mavs fine $750k after resting players vs Bulls. The NBA announced the Dallas Mavericks were fined after violating the league's player resting policy and demonstrating through actions and public statements the organization's desire to lose its April 7 game vs. the Chicago Bulls in order to improve the chances of keeping its first-round pick in the 2023 NBA draft.

:lmao

[scott]

Related to the future outlook of the CHA pick: The NBA ruled today that Miles Bridges has 10-games left to serve of a suspension related to the felony assault. It was a 30-game suspension, but apparently Bridges magically served 20 of them while not even being under contract, per the NBA.

[Ariel]

Related to the future outlook of the CHA pick: The NBA ruled today that Miles Bridges has 10-games left to serve of a suspension related to the felony assault. It was a 30-game suspension, but apparently Bridges magically served 20 of them while not even being under contract, per the NBA.
That doesn't make sense at all. If they were going to consider games as served, why go for 20 as opposed to 15 or 25? Might as well have suspended him for 100 games and give him 82 games served. Would have sent a stronger message from a PR standpoint and in practical terms it'd have ended up being just about the same. And it would have been more logically consistent.

As far as we're concerned, this could make a big difference. A Charlotte team with a healthy Lamelo and Bridges back, plus another year of Mark Williams and hopefully an impactful rookie, should be good enough for a play in spot, and from that point on, a good chance at the playoffs. No. 6 pick outright sounds a little rich right now. This year Brooklyn ended up 6th seed with 8 games above .500, while Atlanta got to the play in in 8th place at exactly .500, which gave them 2 shots at the play in (1 at home), even though they didn't need both.

[Ariel]

Also pertaining the Spurs future: this offseason is key for the Toronto pick. They've been in the treadmill for a while, and several key players will be free agents: Fred Van Vleet (PO, likely FA), Gary Trent Jr, Poeltl. Plus OG enters the last season of his contract, and he'll either have to be extended (more likely with the increases in the new CBA) or traded. Point being, unless they decide to blow it up and sink to the bottom of the lottery (say 1-5 worst record), if they lose a couple of players via free agency or trade, chances are good that pick will convey in the lottery. I'm hoping someone extends Van Vleet a nice enough offer that he bolts without much of a return, same goes for Gary Trent Jr. They don't have the cap space to replace those players with a top FA, so if that's the case their talent level and depth drop significantly, to where the playoffs would seem like a very unlikely outcome. Lets just hope.

[K...]

Okc just lost to the timberwolves so no glory for any team in our vicinity unless you drive 7 hours to NO or memphis.

[rascal]

Also pertaining the Spurs future: this offseason is key for the Toronto pick. They've been in the treadmill for a while, and several key players will be free agents: Fred Van Vleet (PO, likely FA), Gary Trent Jr, Poeltl. Plus OG enters the last season of his contract, and he'll either have to be extended (more likely with the increases in the new CBA) or traded. Point being, unless they decide to blow it up and sink to the bottom of the lottery (say 1-5 worst record), if they lose a couple of players via free agency or trade, chances are good that pick will convey in the lottery. I'm hoping someone extends Van Vleet a nice enough offer that he bolts without much of a return, same goes for Gary Trent Jr. They don't have the cap space to replace those players with a top FA, so if that's the case their talent level and depth drop significantly, to where the playoffs would seem like a very unlikely outcome. Lets just hope.

Don't count on it. I'll bet they will be bettter next year than this year. They'll bring back their best players and have a lottery pick to add to it.

Count on next year's Spurs pick from Toronto to not be in the lottery somewhere in the 20's I'm expecting.

I'd rather see the spurs trade that pick for a first round pick from Utah and draft Jalen Hood-Shifino with that pick, get their pg.

[exstatic]

Don't count on it. I'll bet they will be bettter next year than this year. They'll bring back their best players and have a lottery pick to add to it.

Count on next year's pick to not be in the lottery somewhere in the 20's I'm expecting.

They ran back everyone from a 6 seed, and fell into the lottery. Their lottery pick has a 93% chance of being #13.

[Seventyniner]

Also pertaining the Spurs future: this offseason is key for the Toronto pick. They've been in the treadmill for a while, and several key players will be free agents: Fred Van Vleet (PO, likely FA), Gary Trent Jr, Poeltl. Plus OG enters the last season of his contract, and he'll either have to be extended (more likely with the increases in the new CBA) or traded. Point being, unless they decide to blow it up and sink to the bottom of the lottery (say 1-5 worst record), if they lose a couple of players via free agency or trade, chances are good that pick will convey in the lottery. I'm hoping someone extends Van Vleet a nice enough offer that he bolts without much of a return, same goes for Gary Trent Jr. They don't have the cap space to replace those players with a top FA, so if that's the case their talent level and depth drop significantly, to where the playoffs would seem like a very unlikely outcome. Lets just hope.

Toronto would have to have a bottom 2 record to have a 100% chance to keep their pick since it is protected 1-6. Any tanking that doesn't get them that low would just be to have a greater chance of jumping into the top 4 (also allowing them to keep the pick), but also giving the Spurs a better pick if the Raptors don't jump into the top 4.

I think they will more likely go the other direction and try as hard as they can to win now. Failing would probably put them around where they are now: late lottery due to losing in the play-in round. That's about as good a scenario as the Spurs can reasonably hope for: an early teens pick that gives Toronto only a very small chance of jumping into the top 4.

If Toronto can manage a top 6 record in the East, or sneak into the playoffs via the play-in, their pick would 100% convey and would likely be in the #17-20 range.

[Ariel]

Toronto would have to have a bottom 2 record to have a 100% chance to keep their pick since it is protected 1-6. Any tanking that doesn't get them that low would just be to have a greater chance of jumping into the top 4 (also allowing them to keep the pick), but also giving the Spurs a better pick if the Raptors don't jump into the top 4.
Odds of Toronto's pick conveying per pre-lottery position:


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Conveys



1

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2

0,00 %



3

7,02 %



4

18,93 %


5

36,05 %


6

54,15 %


7

68,04 %


8

73,69 %


9

79,72 %


10

86,12 %


11

90,59 %


12

92,88 %


13

95,21 %



14

97,59 %



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So basically even if they end up #4/#5 there's a realistic chance it conveys, at #6 it's a toss up, and more likely than not from #7 on.

I think they will more likely go the other direction and try as hard as they can to win now. Failing would probably put them around where they are now: late lottery due to losing in the play-in round. That's about as good a scenario as the Spurs can reasonably hope for: an early teens pick that gives Toronto only a very small chance of jumping into the top 4.
That's an expensive proposition: Fred Van Vleet is looking for a long term contract at about 30M per year, Gary Trent Jr is looking for 20M-25M, Anunoby is sure to command an extension upwards of 25M, Poeltl is looking for 20M or close, Scottie Barnes will be entering his 3rd season and be extension eligible next year... basically they'd be paying for a contender, for an aging team that proved more than once they're a first round exit at best. They'll have to take a long, hard look and make difficult choices right now, if they run it back it's probably the worst case scenario for them in the long term. I think they ultimately extend Anunoby, re-sign Poeltl, and work out a S&T involving Gary Trent Jr and possibly Van Vleet as well unless he lowers his demands or picks up his PO. Their trade value is low and they'll be over the cap anyways so it's not like they have a lot of leeway to sign free agents, so that should impact their performance in the short term. Not a given, but I could definitely see play out a scenario where we end up with a pick around 8-12.

[rascal]

They ran back everyone from a 6 seed, and fell into the lottery. Their lottery pick has a 93% chance of being #13.

Still the 13th pick will be a solid player to add to a good core.

[exstatic]

Still the 13th pick will be a solid player to add to a good core.

That player could be a decent player, but not likely next year. Maybe year three.

[Ariel]

They ran back everyone from a 6 seed, and fell into the lottery. Their lottery pick has a 93% chance of being #13.

That player could be a decent player, but not likely next year. Maybe year three.
If they're set on winning now, they'll take either Hawkins or Gradey Dick. They need shooting in the worst way, and they'd help. Trading one of OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes for some guard with elite shooting would help. Say Anunoby + filler + picks for Dame, plus a veteran 2/3 who can shoot in a S&T for Van Vleet.
Dame / Gary Trent Jr / Scottie Barkes / Siakam / Poeltl with Hawkins or Dick off the bench... that's a playoff team (even if barely). But they have to give up something to put it together.

[exstatic]

If they're set on winning now, they'll take either Hawkins or Gradey Dick. They need shooting in the worst way, and they'd help. Trading one of OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes for some guard with elite shooting would help. Say Anunoby + filler + picks for Dame, plus a veteran 2/3 who can shoot in a S&T for Van Vleet.
Dame / Gary Trent Jr / Scottie Barkes / Siakam / Poeltl with Hawkins or Dick off the bench... that's a playoff team (even if barely). But they have to give up something to put it together.

Maybe, but it seems like that has been their path since Kawhi left, and they’ve been on a downward trajectory each year.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Maybe, but it seems like that has been their path since Kawhi left, and they’ve been on a downward trajectory each year.

lol those guys were meant to step up after kawhi left, they are what they are...borderline playoff team in the weak east

[mo7888]

Question about the Mavs- Did they yank to get a top 10 pick because they want to use it or trade it? Does a rookie really help build around Luka?

[K...]

Question about the Mavs- Did they yank to get a top 10 pick because they want to use it or trade it? Does a rookie really help build around Luka?

ask cuban, but the trade protections are use it or lose it, so it's more about getting anything vs nothing

[Ariel]

Question about the Mavs- Did they yank to get a top 10 pick because they want to use it or trade it? Does a rookie really help build around Luka?
Depends on what rookie. I could see they going for Taylor Hendricks or Dereck Lively, I think they'd help. But there's a good chance they package the pick for some veteran help, if they re-sign Kyrie they should add front court help and defense, they can't trade '24-'26 & '28-'29, but they can trade '27 and swap rights on '26 & '28. So they could wait until draft night, arrange the pick with some third party, then trade:
draft rights to the pick (likely 10) + unrestricted '27 + unrestricted '26, '28, '30 swaps. That's more than enough if they play their cards right. IMO they should go for a Lakers kind of return for the pick they sent to Utah ('27 top 4 protected): Jarred Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, D'Angelo Russell (I'd prefer Conley, but whatever).
A smart and timely use of their assets could replenish their depth and put them in the playoffs long term, though not enough for contention IMO.

[mo7888]

Depends on what rookie. I could see they going for Taylor Hendricks or Dereck Lively, I think they'd help. But there's a good chance they package the pick for some veteran help, if they re-sign Kyrie they should add front court help and defense, they can't trade '24-'26 & '28-'29, but they can trade '27 and swap rights on '26 & '28. So they could wait until draft night, arrange the pick with some third party, then trade:
draft rights to the pick (likely 10) + unrestricted '27 + unrestricted '26, '28, '30 swaps. That's more than enough if they play their cards right. IMO they should go for a Lakers kind of return for the pick they sent to Utah ('27 top 4 protected): Jarred Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, D'Angelo Russell (I'd prefer Conley, but whatever).
A smart and timely use of their assets could replenish their depth and put them in the playoffs long term, though not enough for contention IMO.

I think I'm in your camp to a degree on this. I think they are going to re-sign Kyrie and use this pick in a trade to add some front court help. I don't see where we really have anything that makes sense for both sides, but their pick being on the market may help establish value for other picks that might be available.

[barakz21]

I think I'm in your camp to a degree on this. I think they are going to re-sign Kyrie and use this pick in a trade to add some front court help. I don't see where we really have anything that makes sense for both sides, but their pick being on the market may help establish value for other picks that might be available.

Interesting. I would do KBD+SRP+Bassey/Mamu/Barlow for that #10 pick. Pretty sure Dallas won’t lol

[mo7888]

Interesting. I would do KBD+SRP+Bassey/Mamu/Barlow for that #10 pick. Pretty sure Dallas won’t lol

This line of thinking is probably where the #10 for Sochan rumors came from(i know you were joking)...looking at it from a Mavs perspective without considering that your trade partner would remotely consider that.

[barakz21]

This line of thinking is probably where the #10 for Sochan rumors came from(i know you were joking)...looking at it from a Mavs perspective without considering that your trade partner would remotely consider that.

I wasn’t joking lol. I do know Dallas won’t ever do that trade. But I want to think 10/10 if a scenario presents itself where you get to keep the young guns, add a second lottery pick and only give up serviceable vets or your dudes who are fighting for minutes/roster spots, then the Spurs would definitely do that trade.

[gambit1990]

i absolutely love it.

i had one take and stuck to it.

everyone else in this thread: "you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong ... ... ... damn, you were right ... ... ... lol, you're wrong!" :lol

[gambit1990]

i love the dallas implosion btw. i am here for it :tu

[gambit1990]

:lmao OP
OP is here.

i posted this when the spurs were #1 in the division.

they ended up dead last in the conference two years later.

[KobesAchilles]

I think if we do end up drafting Victor then we need to spend some money around him while he is still cheap. What do y’all think about Austin Reaves? He seems exactly like the type of player that we need.

[exstatic]

I think if we do end up drafting Victor then we need to spend some money around him while he is still cheap. What do y’all think about Austin Reaves? He seems exactly like the type of player that we need.

He’ll be cheap for at least three years, four if you can talk him into signing a new contract instead of an extension. I think you need to see how he’s going to play, and where he’s going to play before you run off on a wild spending spree. Evaluate the situation.

[Sugus]

OP is here.

i posted this when the spurs were #1 in the division.

they ended up dead last in the conference two years later.

Your concept of "future" is pathetic, and made further embarrasing by having lived through 20 years of blessed future in Duncan. What can I tell you.

[K...]

Its funny that he mentions going from 1rsr in the div to second worse like its some great prophecy. The spurs went on a pretty linear decline and chose to tank which is what op always wanted.

So many people treat hindsight as objective truth of wisdom. Im pretty sure op would say Houston would do better given his simplistic worldview that “tank equals good“. Its all about odds and contingencies

[offset formation]

Your concept of "future" is pathetic, and made further embarrasing by having lived through 20 years of blessed future in Duncan. What can I tell you.

Is two years not future? Color me lost.

[scott]

This has officially become the thread to post news on division rivals, right?

Ime interviewing with Houston on Wednesday. I'm hoping that doesn't come to pass. I'd like for him to stay in the pool as Pop-successor if possible. If Tony can bag a teammate's wife, I've got no beef with some executive (who presumably can't shoot or rebound) having to deal with it.

[Mr. Body]

This has officially become the thread to post news on division rivals, right?

Ime interviewing with Houston on Wednesday. I'm hoping that doesn't come to pass. I'd like for him to stay in the pool as Pop-successor if possible. If Tony can bag a teammate's wife, I've got no beef with some executive (who presumably can't shoot or rebound) having to deal with it.

They honeys are probably way better in H-Town than they are in Boston. Go slay, Ime!

[gambit1990]

Your concept of "future" is pathetic, and made further embarrasing by having lived through 20 years of blessed future in Duncan. What can I tell you.

Is two years not future? Color me lost.
^^

[JPB]

And they attracted Shaq and Kobe out of it.

I am not sure what the issues were the last few years, perhaps with an increasingly digital world players no longer feel they need to be in LA to make it into the entertainment industry. But the lifestyle, opportunities to be seen, the glamour is still unmatched in another NBA city, or any North American city, period.

That is if you like that lifestyle and want to be seen. As you said, you'll never be more exposed than on Twitter and IG and LA has lost a lot of its appeal for the younger generations. It's not that trendy.

[Sugus]

Is two years not future? Color me lost.

Oh, I can imagine you'd be lost if you're missing the point of this thread. There's a post by OP, which I'm too lazy to go quote but you can easily find ITT, where he explicitly states: "this thread is about the future future". Because yes, we have discussed the immediate before.

So yes, I would not call 2 years the future at all. Two years is absolutely not what I or you might think of when people say a team is "well set up for the future", now is it?

E: you can also pretty easily go back, read the discussion, and see what my actual problem with this thread (stupid reactionism and in-the-moment, self-gloating "analysis") has always been. I distinctly remember my quote, summing up my position all too well, of "if the Spurs get Wemby, the entire outlook of the future changes", and the same is true for every team in the lottery.

But nooo, OP just cannot wait until the draft and beyond to reach for that sweet, sweet validation. Kinda weird but whatever.

[Sugus]

Its funny that he mentions going from 1rsr in the div to second worse like its some great prophecy. The spurs went on a pretty linear decline and chose to tank which is what op always wanted.

So many people treat hindsight as objective truth of wisdom. Im pretty sure op would say Houston would do better given his simplistic worldview that “tank equals good“. Its all about odds and contingencies

Yeah, like it's some dramatic indicator :lmao

OMFG!!! We're bottom in the division in a year the team decided to commit to a full tank from season's start!!! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?

:lol

[scott]

Ime going to coach the Rockets. Do not like.

[KobesAchilles]

The Rockets will improve now. If they get Wemby then we are kinda fucked. They should go all in on Harden if they do Land Wemby though bc they have zero PG play

[K...]

The Rockets will improve now. If they get Wemby then we are kinda fucked. They should go all in on Harden if they do Land Wemby though bc they have zero PG play

You see the udoka hire? They hired a serious villain coach.

[Mr. Body]

The Rockets will improve now. If they get Wemby then we are kinda fucked. They should go all in on Harden if they do Land Wemby though bc they have zero PG play

What a complete mess that would be with Harden. Might help Jabari for a couple years. For all their top draft picks they don't have a lot of talent. Their best guy was drafted 16.

[djohn2oo8]

What a complete mess that would be with Harden. Might help Jabari for a couple years. For all their top draft picks they don't have a lot of talent. Their best guy was drafted 16.
Rumor is Harden and or Jaylen Brown may want to come. Trades will occur though.

[Mr. Body]

Rumor is Harden and or Jaylen Brown may want to come. Trades will occur though.

Neither will happen.

[baseline bum]

Rumor is Harden and or Jaylen Brown may want to come. Trades will occur though.

Brown's not a free agent until 2024-25 so don't see that happening. Not sure why you'd want Harden's lazy ass back.

[Mr. Body]

Harden with this bunch of chucklefucks would be hilarious. Like a Disney movie where they're not supposed to win more than a certain amount of games and they don't.

[djohn2oo8]

Brown's not a free agent until 2024-25 so don't see that happening. Not sure why you'd want Harden's lazy ass back.
Brown would be a trade

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[djohn2oo8]

Also granted this is from one side, Granato is a pretty well connected guy in all three sports out here.
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Also granted this is from one side, Granato is a pretty well connected guy in all three sports out here.
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If they're fed up, what should PATFO or Spurs fans be when we were points worse than they were? I gather Pop read the players the riot act on defense for next year. We'll see what shakes out but improvement should be expected.

I just can't believe it got this bad, and that's its been trending this way for years.

[baseline bum]

Also granted this is from one side, Granato is a pretty well connected guy in all three sports out here.
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They can pursue him all they want but Boston has no reason to trade him to Houston. Yeah they're hamstrung not being able to offer max in an extension right now by the rules of the CBA but anyone they trade him to would have the same limitation and Boston could just offer Brown max next summer. Celtics aren't blowing a young contender up. That's a pipe dream for Rocket fan. It's not like the Dejounte Murray situation where the same rule made it likely they wouldn't be able to re-sign him since they're a rebuilding team that would hold no interest for Murray if he could go to a better team in free agency and still get max. Brown's not going to find a better team than the Celtics offering max in summer 2024. I ain't buying that Brown wants out just because Kendrick Perkins says so.

[KobesAchilles]

Houston has plenty of problems. The culture is one. I think Ime can fix that. They also run zero offensive sets and just jack up shots. Once again I think Ime can fix that. But a huge problem is they have no PG play at all. No person to run an offense and no person to set up others. I mean it’s actually embarrassing to watch them play bc of this fact. Harden (for all his faults) knows how to run an offense. He knows how to set up people to score. He knows how to play with a dominant big man.

Defensively Houston will still be a mess but man they would at least fix their offense. Plus they could always make trades or sign role players that play defense to fix their issues. They need a SF too. But this is all assuming that they land Wemby

If we land Wemby then we are kinda in the same boat as Houston. I would trade our first for Brown and give him the max. We also need to find a PG. But a Wemby, Sochen, Brown line up would be a good place to start with Devin and coming off the bench as our 6th man. Ironically White might be a good fit again to run PG

[scott]

Houston has plenty of problems. The culture is one. I think Ime can fix that. They also run zero offensive sets and just jack up shots. Once again I think Ime can fix that. But a huge problem is they have no PG play at all. No person to run an offense and no person to set up others. I mean it’s actually embarrassing to watch them play bc of this fact. Harden (for all his faults) knows how to run an offense. He knows how to set up people to score. He knows how to play with a dominant big man.

Defensively Houston will still be a mess but man they would at least fix their offense. Plus they could always make trades or sign role players that play defense to fix their issues. They need a SF too. But this is all assuming that they land Wemby

If we land Wemby then we are kinda in the same boat as Houston. I would trade our first for Brown and give him the max. We also need to find a PG. But a Wemby, Sochen, Brown line up would be a good place to start with Devin and coming off the bench as our 6th man. Ironically White might be a good fit again to run PG

What's a realistic asking price for Brown? There's no way a 2024 FRP isn't going to be enough.

It may be really difficult to execute in reality with Brown headed into Free Agency, but I'm here for a quick turnaround with Wemby and Jaylen if it were possible (which, even if we hit the 14%, still seems unlikely).

[KobesAchilles]

What's a realistic asking price for Brown? There's no way a 2024 FRP isn't going to be enough.

It may be really difficult to execute in reality with Brown headed into Free Agency, but I'm here for a quick turnaround with Wemby and Jaylen if it were possible (which, even if we hit the 14%, still seems unlikely).
We would trade 2 first rounders and Devin. The Spurs wouldn’t do this bc of the risk of him leaving but we could offer them 3 1st rounders and not be any worse off. Heck the dream scenario would be to trade our two 1sts plus Chi. And then have the Toronto give us a top 5 pick and same with the Hawks. The Spurs get Wemby, Brown (obviously we max him for 200 million) and two top 5 picks around them? That could be a championship. It’s a gamble though for sure which is why we wouldn’t do it. But I would like for us to take that gamble (only if we get Wemby).

[barakz21]

We would trade 2 first rounders and Devin. The Spurs wouldn’t do this bc of the risk of him leaving but we could offer them 3 1st rounders and not be any worse off. Heck the dream scenario would be to trade our two 1sts plus Chi. And then have the Toronto give us a top 5 pick and same with the Hawks. The Spurs get Wemby, Brown (obviously we max him for 200 million) and two top 5 picks around them? That could be a championship. It’s a gamble though for sure which is why we wouldn’t do it. But I would like for us to take that gamble (only if we get Wemby).

Why Devin though? I would much rather trade KJ. Devin has more upside as a scorer, plus with KJ out you get to start Wemby WITH Sochan and Zollins. If you keep KJ, then that means Sochan probably goes to the bench. Or Zollins, though I’d prefer Wemby at the 4 over the 5, at least for The first few years. You know Zollins will have his back.

Then again, we need to get Wemby first lol.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Why Devin though? I would much rather trade KJ. Devin has more upside as a scorer, plus with KJ out you get to start Wemby WITH Sochan and Zollins. If you keep KJ, then that means Sochan probably goes to the bench. Or Zollins, though I’d prefer Wemby at the 4 over the 5, at least for The first few years. You know Zollins will have his back.

Then again, we need to get Wemby first lol.
Because Brown is a star and Boston will set a high price.

[Ariel]

The Spurs shouldn't trade anything for Jaylen Brown, because:
1) He's under contract for only one more season, and his max extension would be below what he could receive in free agency (similar situation to Dejounte, Poeltl), so he'll likely test free agency anyway
2) His Bird Rights wouldn't mean much for the Spurs, since there will be more than enough cap room to sign him outright

[djohn2oo8]

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[Mr. Body]

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"Hello NBA player. Would you want to play for Udoka?"

"Um, sure."

"Great. I've got my article. Say no more."

[gambit1990]

Oh, I can imagine you'd be lost if you're missing the point of this thread. There's a post by OP, which I'm too lazy to go quote but you can easily find ITT, where he explicitly states: "this thread is about the future future". Because yes, we have discussed the immediate before.

So yes, I would not call 2 years the future at all. Two years is absolutely not what I or you might think of when people say a team is "well set up for the future", now is it?


every time i bring up exactly what i said that loser never acknowledges it:

you're missing the point of this thread. spurs could end this season with the best record in the division and my point would still stand.

this thread is about the future, future. not weeks or months. spurs need to do what OKC did and move their vets. especially instead of letting them walk for nothing.

spurs move demar, la, rudy for the right assets and i take this thread back.

[gambit1990]

i literally said "not weeks or months." this is the future i was bringing to y'all's attention.

[gambit1990]

that dumbâss three months from now: "OP said future, future :cry:cry he's a moron because no one know what he meant despite him saying this wasn't about weeks or months."

[The Truth #6]

Signing Ime could be a signal that HOU is done with their Process and wants to actually start improving. But that’s a significant if. Frittata seems like an impulsive narcissist so the culture around HOU could be irreparable and Ime could be doomed. But time will tell.

[rankingtear]

This was always the end of the rebuild for HOU, OKC has their pick next year outside top 4. They are too optimistic about turning it around in 1 offseason though, but they have no choice.

[Mr. Body]

Word is that Hou was willing to discuss trading Jalen Green with coaching candidates.

As a note, Jonathan Kuminga has been bad whenever he gets short minutes in the Warriors series. We need to be clear that Ignite players are not ready. They don't know how to play.

[JPB]

Word is that Hou was willing to discuss trading Jalen Green with coaching candidates.

As a note, Jonathan Kuminga has been bad whenever he gets short minutes in the Warriors series. We need to be clear that Ignite players are not ready. They don't know how to play.

And now we list all the College players who failed because they weren't ready, even though Wesley won't like that post.

[Mr. Body]

And now we list all the College players who failed because they weren't ready, even though Wesley won't like that post.

Fallacy. There are college players who have been ready. There have been no Ignite players who have been ready.

[Sugus]

every time i bring up exactly what i said that loser never acknowledges it:

I acknowledge it every single time, you buffoon. That you fail to realize that "the future, future" is not two years, but the prospects of a franchise's ability to win a championship in their given windows (for which the Rockettes and Mavs, even two years in, look terribly away from) is not my problem, or something I can fix. But don't say I don't mention it when it's all I tell you.


i literally said "not weeks or months." this is the future i was bringing to y'all's attention.

:lmao and what about "this future" is worth jacking off over? only Texas team that has anything close to future-proven is Luka in Dallas, and they find themselves in worse position to hold him there than ever before. Right now. Must I believe the Spurs have the worse future, when the draft hasn't even taken place, because you want to blow your load right now? No thanks.

[exstatic]

Signing Ime could be a signal that HOU is done with their Process and wants to actually start improving. But that’s a significant if. Frittata seems like an impulsive narcissist so the culture around HOU could be irreparable and Ime could be doomed. But time will tell.

:rollin

[Teamduncan21]

So far everyone has a bad future.
Dallas missed the playoff. Houston missed. Pelicans missed and their star player is injured most of the time. And Memphis got kicked off the first round.
Sure spurs are the worst of the bunch. (and Houston) but I can argue everyone sucks anyway.

[Mr. Body]

Memphis says they will resign Dillon Brooks this summer 'under no circumstances.'

[Ocotillo]

Memphis says they will resign Dillon Brooks this summer 'under no circumstances.'

Last night I did see some cryptic tweet from Jaren Jackson Jr that made it sound like he was heading for the exit doors on the Grizz.

[exstatic]

Memphis says they will resign Dillon Brooks this summer 'under no circumstances.'

When you are a provocateur, you'd better produce, or you become not worth the trouble. I think Draymond may find this out in July, too.

[Ocotillo]

Last night I did see some cryptic tweet from Jaren Jackson Jr that made it sound like he was heading for the exit doors on the Grizz.

Here it is from yesterday but today he replied with "to be here" so he was just playing around.

https://twitter.com/jarenjacksonjr/status/1653090978490728470

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So far everyone has a bad future.
Dallas missed the playoff. Houston missed. Pelicans missed and their star player is injured most of the time. And Memphis got kicked off the first round.
Sure spurs are the worst of the bunch. (and Houston) but I can argue everyone sucks anyway.

Yes. This season has served to be a turning over of the applecart. What seemed to be last year no longer does. The division seems to be wide open after next year.

[gambit1990]

contrary to popular belief, no team in the division under performed.

> grizzlies were without their starting center against a team with anthony davis
> the pelicans didn't have zion
> kyrie irving sucks / the mavs got rid of what little defense they had :lol

[gambit1990]

spurs with wemb aren't beating a healthy grizzlies team, aren't beating a healthy pelicans team.

beat the mavs? maybe. but they'll get something in a S&T for kyrie.

[gambit1990]

forgot about the rockets.

maybe they get harden back. their RS record would push the spurs out of the PO picture.

harden is a fraud but harden surrounded by ime's defenders? d'antoni had the right idea but ime is a more defensive coach, obviously.

[tonight...you]

contrary to popular belief, no team in the division under performed.

> grizzlies were without their starting center against a team with anthony davis
> the pelicans didn't have zion
> kyrie irving sucks / the mavs got rid of what little defense they had :lol
Every team has excuses.

[gambit1990]

Every team has excuses.
health is the sole exemption.

AD is the supposed to be the lakers #1 weapon. grizzlies didn't have their starting C and were missing a PF.

[gambit1990]

manu had a broken elbow with the grizzlies beat us.

[exstatic]

AD is NEVER healthy. Zion is NEVER healthy. Those are normal circumstances.

[tonight...you]

health is the sole exemption.

AD is the supposed to be the lakers #1 weapon. grizzlies didn't have their starting C and were missing a PF.
Every team has excuses.

[gambit1990]

AD is NEVER healthy. Zion is NEVER healthy. Those are normal circumstances.
i'm no AD fan but he did win a chip tbh.

i would concede on the zion point but he'd be a huge trade piece.

[gambit1990]

AD is NEVER healthy.
... and that has no impact on my point :lol

he played vs the grizzlies :lol

[exstatic]

i'm no AD fan but he did win a chip tbh.

i would concede on the zion point but he'd be a huge trade piece.

He won a chip in a year when the NBA shut down for 6 months, getting a rest and recovery that he normally doesn’t. His nickname isn’t Mr. Glass for no reason.

[TD 21]

Davis has played more regular season games in the last 4 seasons than Curry (yet you never hear golden boy being mocked) . . . but don't let facts get in the way of agenda driven media narrative.

[gambit1990]

He won a chip in a year when the NBA shut down for 6 months, getting a rest and recovery that he normally doesn’t. His nickname isn’t Mr. Glass for no reason.


Davis has played more regular season games in the last 4 seasons than Curry (yet you never hear golden boy being mocked) . . . but don't let facts get in the way of agenda driven media narrative.
AD had nothing to do with this thread.

[exstatic]

Davis has played more regular season games in the last 4 seasons than Curry (yet you never hear golden boy being mocked) . . . but don't let facts get in the way of agenda driven media narrative.

I don’t think anyone would hold Curry up as some iron man, but he has 7 seasons of 74 or more games played. Davis has 2. See what happens when you don’t cherry pick a short period of time?

[exstatic]

AD had nothing to do with this thread.


health is the sole exemption.

AD is the supposed to be the lakers #1 weapon. grizzlies didn't have their starting C and were missing a PF.

You brought him here.

[TD 21]

I don’t think anyone would hold Curry up as some iron man, but he has 7 seasons of 74 or more games played. Davis has 2. See what happens when you don’t cherry pick a short period of time?

The Davis narrative has taken on a life of its own post championship, which is why I referenced that period.

Meanwhile, the likes of Golden Boy and Scumbag continue to get slurped.

[rascal]

Yes. This season has served to be a turning over of the applecart. What seemed to be last year no longer does. The division seems to be wide open after next year.

Spurs and Houston will again be battling for last place.

[rjv]

if houston gets wemba, they'll hover around a play in spot but that all depends on what happens with some of these other teams (NO, Portland, Dallas).

[exstatic]

Spurs and Houston will again be battling for last place.

It's really dumb to say something like that before the draft.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

if houston gets wemba, they'll hover around a play in spot but that all depends on what happens with some of these other teams (NO, Portland, Dallas).

Wemby getting drafted by the Rockets won't be great for his development. He's probably praying for any other team to win the lottery.

[lefty20]

/thread

[MannyIsGod]

Good, now this attention whore's stupid thread can be forgotten. All the while, Spurs never finished below every other team in the division. Good fucking call!

[RC_Drunkford]

Gotta make a new one: Spurs have the best future in their division :lmao

[cjw]

One team in division has a guy who can’t keep from flashing guns on his Instagram

One team has a guy who must have ballooned to 400 pounds who has little interest in actually playing

One team thought flat earther was the missing piece

And then there’s the Rockets who have nothing redeeming to talk about

[slick'81]

Future is suddenly bright asf

[John B]

We can finally bury this thread :lol

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[DeRozan m8]

Wheres this semen drinking, gaping asshole, fuck face op gone?

His team was 1 and done and it was against an injured team lmfao

[exstatic]

LOCK
DIS
BITCH

[heyheymymy]

Spurs have the best future in their division:

- landed #1 overall pick and sole rights to draft a generational talent

- 50 mil in cap space to sign free agents

- no bad contracts currently

- treasure chest stuffed full of future draft capital

- Hall of Fame coach

- core players showing development

- $0.5 billion dollar brand new practice facility campus opens Aug. 2023

[Robz4000]

LOCK
DIS
BITCH

Not until we ring imo.

[Sugus]

https://media.tenor.com/nLVYrS5ZX9MAAAAC/i-want-my-damn-respect-lakers-championship.gif

C'mon, bitch boy, gambit1990. Where you at? Come in here. Give me my damn fucking respect. :smokin

[Sugus]

Spurs have the best future in their division:

- landed #1 overall pick and sole rights to draft a generational talent

- 50 mil in cap space to sign free agents

- no bad contracts currently

- treasure chest stuffed full of future draft capital

- Hall of Fame coach

- core players showing development

- $0.5 billion dollar brand new practice facility campus opens Aug. 2023

B-b-but the Rockettes core!! Jalen Smith!!! Dallas with Kyrie!!! Zion!!!!! :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Sugus]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/spurs-have-wemby-dallas-has-luka-houston-has.319740/

:downspin: :danceclub

[Sugus]

Don't mind me bumping this thread in eternum, until OP decides to stop bitching up and logs into his account to give me my respect.

Meanwhile, let's look at some takes that have aged like milk, and wine, in the thread:


Is two years not future? Color me lost.

Are you found yet, my guy? Do you see precisely what I was getting at? It's almost like two years was not the "future, future", and we had to wait a bit longer for the cards to play out... ;)


One thing's for certain, though: this thread is the perfect anti-jinx. I just know the Spurs are landing Wembanyama in a Duncan-esque sequence, and it's all due to this thread. Gotta give the props where due - but I'll wait for the draft, myself :lol

God damn, look at this wine-aged take! Only thing I'm taking back is, no way I'm thanking OP or this thread for Wemby :lmao

Also let's give some flowers to an oft-hated member of the board, whose resilient homerism got him a W here:


Way to early to be handing out medals ….. patience my guy

Which was in response to a terrible take:


This is just straight up homerism bro, no offense. Yeah we obviously can't know the future but it's not even debatable that every other team in the conference projects to be better than us for the foreseeable future.

Of course we can change that by landing a top 2 pick this season. But nothing I said is even controversial:lol it's straight up fact that the Spurs have no blue chip prospects and no star players. Every other team has one or the other or both

Looks like it was less "homerism" and more "knowing how the cards are played", huh, Leetonidas? Maybe not declare the Spurs so definitely devoid of talent when they were purposefully tanking on one of the most coveted drafts of the modern era? But I guess it wasn't even debatable, huh...


Let's focus on the poo-poo takes a bit longer:

Of course, lovers like to go hand in hand;


i literally said "not weeks or months." this is the future i was bringing to y'all's attention.


This thread needs to be pinned. Even with Wemby the thread title remains true.


^ OP was reminding most of you how clueless you were/are.

Mind illuminating us a bit further on how clueless we all are, and how the Spurs have the worst future, still, KingKev? Or are you too laying off the forum until the dust settles? :lmao


Last but not least (for now):


And I don't really see the argument to the contrary at present. We have a worse trajectory over the next 5 years than NO, Memphis, Dallas, OKC, and yes, even Houston given their recent draft picks and still large amount of future picks.

Keeping it factual only, gambit nailed this, and did so a long time ago. Props, gambit. I'm now on board the we suck train, too.

You should make better evaluations on what trains you hop into, my guy offset formation. Taking bitch boy's side will only lead you down this terrible takes path, and I don't want to see you there... :)

[Frenchfred]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/spurs-have-wemby-dallas-has-luka-houston-has.319740/

:downspin: :danceclub

I love how they think that Houston is such a great city compared to San Antonio for a player to come and play. For Wenby, any city in the US is going to be a step down compared to Paris.

[Leetonidas]

Don't mind me bumping this thread in eternum, until OP decides to stop bitching up and logs into his account to give me my respect.

Meanwhile, let's look at some takes that have aged like milk, and wine, in the thread:



Are you found yet, my guy? Do you see precisely what I was getting at? It's almost like two years was not the "future, future", and we had to wait a bit longer for the cards to play out... ;)



God damn, look at this wine-aged take! Only thing I'm taking back is, no way I'm thanking OP or this thread for Wemby :lmao

Also let's give some flowers to an oft-hated member of the board, whose resilient homerism got him a W here:



Which was in response to a terrible take:



Looks like it was less "homerism" and more "knowing how the cards are played", huh, Leetonidas? Maybe not declare the Spurs so definitely devoid of talent when they were purposefully tanking on one of the most coveted drafts of the modern era? But I guess it wasn't even debatable, huh...


Let's focus on the poo-poo takes a bit longer:

Of course, lovers like to go hand in hand;







Mind illuminating us a bit further on how clueless we all are, and how the Spurs have the worst future, still, KingKev? Or are you too laying off the forum until the dust settles? :lmao


Last but not least (for now):



You should make better evaluations on what trains you hop into, my guy offset formation. Taking bitch boy's side will only lead you down this terrible takes path, and I don't want to see you there... :)

You think this is some kinda gotcha or what? :lol I literally said in the next paragraph that could all change with a top two pick. Nothing I said at the time of that post was incorrect. Kudos to you for spending your Saturday morning on this though :lol

Seriously, aside from Wemby we don't have any blue chips or star players. Try again buddy. If our luck is a little worse and we're in Detroit spot I guarantee you aren't bumping this thread :lmao it's fucking lame that you think you're vindicated when the discussions at that time in the thread were about the spurs AT THAT TIME. yeah you can talk all the shit you want now that we got Wemby, but if we didnt win the lotto you wouldnt be back here puffing your chest out. and considering its 100% luck based idk why you're acting like it was always guaranteed or some shit. because yeah, on 10/22/2022, before the spurs won the #1 pick, it was not debatable that the spurs had no blue chips or stars. them winning wemby sweepstakes doesnt somehow make that post not true when it was made

[Leetonidas]

:lol no he ain't, not close to, at least for now. You can read the pages/quotes where he explicitly explains that the point of his post hasn't happened yet - the future future.

You're falling into the same mistake he was: judging only the talent level of other teams' players in a vacuum, and adhering results to them. BBall isn't that straightforward; if all it took to win a ring was talent, the Kings and Wolves would've been fighting out the past decades' chips.

None of the teams you listed has made even a Conference Finals yet, and the Spurs are just now starting their rebuild. The thread was and will be predictably bumped, but OP and I both know this hasn't been settled yet.

https://i.ibb.co/C5X2SRy/sug.png

for context, look at your post that i responded to in the quote you brought up to begin with.

-i agreed with the OP at the very beginning the season that everyone else looked to be better than us in the immediate future (true)
-i said if we miss out on wemby or scoot, we're fucked (true)
-you go one some tangent about how none of the other teams have made the conference finals yet (which was FALSE, btw, since Luka was in the WCF last season)
-i then respond to tell you're being homerish and of course our future can change with a top 2 pick but that, at that time, we did not have any blue chips or stars (still true)

What a GOTCHA post tho, amirite? c'mon son, there are better ways to spend your saturday morning. you're reaching for something that aint there

[Joseph Kony]

:lol Sugus pretending like he somehow knew beforehand spurs were getting the #1 pick rofl what a clown. Spurs end up at 4 with Amen Thompson and bro aint bumping shit in here lmao

[Leetonidas]

:lol Sugus pretending like he somehow knew beforehand spurs were getting the #1 pick rofl what a clown. Spurs end up at 4 with Amen Thompson and bro aint bumping shit in here lmao

Yup. It's like having an irresponsible broke ass friend talking shit about financial planning to his other friends who are just out of college because he purchased a lucky lotto ticket :lol

Whatever though, we got Wemby and that's all that matters so i'll eat any amount of crow for that. Sugus can take his W

[K...]

op would have had us trade derozan and LMA for shit picks, not develop white and murray because they weren't blue chip prospects, bottom out draft brandon ingram and we'd be a pretender class new orleans, miss wemby and bottom out. op would have had us sign over the hill "NAME" free agents to clog up the cap space.

What op never acknowledged was that tanking requires luck, otherwise it's it's own trap of mediocrity.







Spurs being mediocre fucked up so many of you guys brains and you lost your shit. by waiting the spurs got maximum value of the mediocre players and tanked hard for a generational talent and got a reward. Dallas did that but screwed the second aprt in designing a team. Dallas was not patient. in other threads ive mentioned that the spurs need to speed up the talent acquisition to match Wemby's potential. That's a tricky scenario but the spurs have the tools to be patient while not wasting talent time.

[Atl Spur]

Enjoy the off-season and let’s see how crazy this blows up in some posters faces:)

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Don't mind me bumping this thread in eternum, until OP decides to stop bitching up and logs into his account to give me my respect.

Meanwhile, let's look at some takes that have aged like milk, and wine, in the thread:



Are you found yet, my guy? Do you see precisely what I was getting at? It's almost like two years was not the "future, future", and we had to wait a bit longer for the cards to play out... ;)



God damn, look at this wine-aged take! Only thing I'm taking back is, no way I'm thanking OP or this thread for Wemby :lmao

Also let's give some flowers to an oft-hated member of the board, whose resilient homerism got him a W here:



Which was in response to a terrible take:



Looks like it was less "homerism" and more "knowing how the cards are played", huh, Leetonidas? Maybe not declare the Spurs so definitely devoid of talent when they were purposefully tanking on one of the most coveted drafts of the modern era? But I guess it wasn't even debatable, huh...


Let's focus on the poo-poo takes a bit longer:

Of course, lovers like to go hand in hand;







Mind illuminating us a bit further on how clueless we all are, and how the Spurs have the worst future, still, KingKev? Or are you too laying off the forum until the dust settles? :lmao


Last but not least (for now):



You should make better evaluations on what trains you hop into, my guy offset formation. Taking bitch boy's side will only lead you down this terrible takes path, and I don't want to see you there... :)

Nice one Sugus. I only wish you'd quoted the ENTIRETY of my post rather than the part you did which takes the context of time out of the equation.

Here's what I posted that you cut out for some odd reason:

He ain't wrong tho. We do have the worst future in our own division as of **this moment**


As of the writing of that post, we were about to endeavor upon our WORST season in the last 25 years. Become the worst defensive team EVER, after putting together 3 or 4 increasingly pathetic defensive seasons. We had just traded away our best player. Memphis, a very young ballclub, was coming off a very successful season. Dallas has Luka and was in the WCF last season. OKC has better young talent after several high draft picks and yet even more picks than any team in the league. And Houston which was OKC light and was about to enter the season with the 3rd pick after drafting the 2nd pick the year prior.

And surely you aren't going to be as bold as to try to cash out receipts only a couple days after tge fortuitous bounce of some ping pong balls landed us the potential third coming of NBA royalty? Surely you wouldn't leave out that EXTREMELY UNLIKELY development in your critique of all those you quoted, that is completely oblivious to this 14% steal.

So in all fairness, you're really gonna sit there and post this trash hit piece and disagree with a single word I posted above? And if you cant disagree with a word of it, then my take that as of "this moment," we didn't have the worst future?

We did. We got lucky. Count your blessings instead of trying to look down your nose at others here.

[gambit1990]

:lol Sugus pretending like he somehow knew beforehand spurs were getting the #1 pick rofl what a clown. Spurs end up at 4 with Amen Thompson and bro aint bumping shit in here lmao
right :lol

i'm ecstatic the spurs landed wemby.

[gambit1990]

Enjoy the off-season and let’s see how crazy this blows up in some posters faces:)

[gambit1990]

guess what, the spurs have the second worst record in the league at the moment. worst in their division, and ja morant hasn't even been back yet.

with that being said:
• the spurs have one of the greatest prospects ever
• the current roster is mostly trash
• wemby isn't going to wait around almost a decade like david robinson did

[gambit1990]

keep wemby & keldon, trade for buddy hield + myles turner.

accelerate the winning process now, before a devastating wemby injury. push the chips in and let's go.

[djohn2oo8]

B-b-but the Rockettes core!! Jalen Smith!!! Dallas with Kyrie!!! Zion!!!!! :lmao :lmao :lmao
Got an update?

[TimDunkem]

Enjoy the off-season and let’s see how crazy this blows up in some posters faces

Dude is always wrong. :lol No wonder he and Sug-ass clutch so hard to their Zach Collins takes in the Collins threads. Without that, those two would be would be a combined 0-7130 with their shit takes.

I mean, I've had plenty myself, but it's fucking uncanny with those two. :lol

[TrainOfThought5]

I can’t wait to revisit this thread after two top ten picks.

[JeffDuncan]

keep wemby & keldon, trade for buddy hield + myles turner.
…


Can’t be done. We don’t have enough that Indy would want.

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Dude is always wrong. :lol No wonder he and Sug-ass clutch so hard to their Zach Collins takes in the Collins threads. Without that, those two would be would be a combined 0-7130 with their shit takes.

I mean, I've had plenty myself, but it's fucking uncanny with those two. :lol

We've all had some bad ones but in this case you should be reminded you're talking to the guy in ATL that ran more cover for the streaker on this board than any other. I consider those to be pretty shitty takes.

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I love this thread if for no other reason it pisses off so many people, namely sugus and estatic.

[offset formation]

I can’t wait to revisit this thread after two top ten picks.

You realize that would be after the current status/roster and would therefore represent a new future? Thus nothing said to date would qualify if the roster changes significantly.

[Sugus]

Got an update?

Yeah, Rockettes looking mighty nice eh. Might even get to the POs before they learn who Jalen Green actually is... Or they'll learn it during the playoffs, anyhow ;)

E: MAN, thanks for bumping this thread! I missed many replies to my posts while I was inactive! Sheesh y'all were killing me huh? :lol

[Sugus]

You think this is some kinda gotcha or what? :lol I literally said in the next paragraph that could all change with a top two pick. Nothing I said at the time of that post was incorrect. Kudos to you for spending your Saturday morning on this though :lol

Sorry for necro'ing but I couldn't just leave you hanging, could I? It was a lovely Saturday morning, indeed :)


Seriously, aside from Wemby we don't have any blue chips or star players. Try again buddy. If our luck is a little worse and we're in Detroit spot I guarantee you aren't bumping this thread :lmao it's fucking lame that you think you're vindicated when the discussions at that time in the thread were about the spurs AT THAT TIME. yeah you can talk all the shit you want now that we got Wemby, but if we didnt win the lotto you wouldnt be back here puffing your chest out. and considering its 100% luck based idk why you're acting like it was always guaranteed or some shit. because yeah, on 10/22/2022, before the spurs won the #1 pick, it was not debatable that the spurs had no blue chips or stars. them winning wemby sweepstakes doesnt somehow make that post not true when it was made

Uh, you mean the thread that was way-too-early declaring Spurs future to be bleak, and on which I've been consistently making the same point (that nothing is written yet and the Spurs' luck could change in a minute)? I would've bumped it anyways like I do now, I just love it :lol

Literally not true as stated by OP but go off (or went off, it's been a while).

Hell yeah I'll talk shit that we got Wemby -- dude! WE GOT WEMBY!!!! I still can't believe it and will keep on talking (deserved) shit to everyone who doubted and killed the Spurs before the cards were drawn. If you don't believe you're in that group, we have no beef, carry on ;)

[Sugus]

:lol Sugus pretending like he somehow knew beforehand spurs were getting the #1 pick rofl what a clown. Spurs end up at 4 with Amen Thompson and bro aint bumping shit in here lmao

Bullshit, you know me - I'd be bumping the thread and sniffing copium on Amen Thompson to hell and back :lmao

But on the real, fuck you (not really) for completely missing my point and the points of the bumps. OP put a coffin on the Spurs' future when he made the posts, and I've been arguing against it ever since (you can go and check, and quote me when I literally said that "the Spurs future would change entirely if they landed Wemby" almost word-for-word, which guess what! it happened!).

So yeah, the insane luck, coupled with the objectively funny fact that pussy ass OP vanished from here and apparently had to wait for the Spurs to be bad again before logging into his account :lmao , was too good to pass up. And it ain't the last time I'm bumping this thread, that I'll tell you :lol

[Sugus]

Yup. It's like having an irresponsible broke ass friend talking shit about financial planning to his other friends who are just out of college because he purchased a lucky lotto ticket :lol

Whatever though, we got Wemby and that's all that matters so i'll eat any amount of crow for that. Sugus can take his W

Damn man, what a mischaracterization, I didn't think we were on bad terms! And hey, if you got a friend who hits the lotto, you let him talk a little shit... Or you're not a friend at all, TBH. But alas.

And hell yeah, WE GOT WEMBY, thanks for the W my guy, but the true W is for all true Spurs fans to enjoy :D

[scott]

The year is 2029 and the Spurs are headed to their 10th straight lottery pick. This board is beaming with excitement as we look well positioned to add that final piece to add next to Wemby, Flagg and Boozer. OP bumps this thread to laugh at everyone again.

[Sugus]

right :lol

i'm ecstatic the spurs landed wemby.

You sure weren't ecstatic when you abandoned the forum in shame for months on end after the draft :lmao

:lol having to wait for the Spurs to stumble to log in again and necro his own thread :lol

It's pathetic, man, just take the L and move it on. Your judgment was premature and we both know it, and I'll happily bump this thread until Wemby brings his rings to San Antonio (and beyond!).

[Sugus]

guess what, the spurs have the second worst record in the league at the moment. worst in their division, and ja morant hasn't even been back yet.

I guess quoting your "I was talking about the future, future" post here is too on-the-nose, huh?


with that being said:
• the spurs have one of the greatest prospects ever
• the current roster is mostly trash
• wemby isn't going to wait around almost a decade like david robinson did

Wait, so you're saying the Spurs don't have the definitive worst future in their division? Interesting tbh...

[Sugus]

I love this thread if for no other reason it pisses off so many people, namely sugus and estatic.

You really have no handle in my posting if you think I'm remotely pissed off by this thread :lol I literally love it and love bumping it. It's one of the few hills I've fully decided to die on - so everyone beware, I'll keep at this, you can put me on Ignore or never open this thread or whatever. I have beef with OP that goes beyond any of you :lol


You realize that would be after the current status/roster and would therefore represent a new future? Thus nothing said to date would qualify if the roster changes significantly.

A "new future"? What the fuck are you talking about son? :lol there's only one future, the future, unless we're talking quantum physics and shit. That has always been, and always will be, the point of this thread, and you can read it from page 1 if you don't believe me....

Saying that changes to the roster mean a "new future" is amazingly missing the point of the thread tbqh

[J_Paco]

keep wemby & keldon, trade for buddy hield + myles turner.

accelerate the winning process now, before a devastating wemby injury. push the chips in and let's go.

No, this would be short sighted and would gut the team's future for 2 'meh' players.

If the Spurs were two high - level role players away from title contention, then sure trade for a Hield + Turner package. The issue is they aren't even close to there yet, and fans that would them to be bottom dwellers for years & years need to be patient (and hope they don't fuck things up).

[Sugus]

No, this would be short sighted and would gut the team's future for to 'meh' players.

If the Spurs were two high - level role players away from title contention, then sure trade for a Hield + Turner package. The issue is they aren't even close to there yet, and fans that would them to be bottom dwellers for years & years need to be patient (and hope they don't fuck things up).

Yep, exactly. Spurs are still in "asset amassing" stage and nowhere near "win-now trades" mode. You can't build for the future by burning the present to get there faster.

[J_Paco]

Yep, exactly. Spurs are still in "asset amassing" stage and nowhere near "win-now trades" mode. You can't build for the future by burning the present to get there faster.

Yeah, New Orleans did that (for better players) too soon, before figuring what Zion needs around him, & are just a middling team now.

Spurs need to acquire a second star (PG or Wing) and add some quality veterans through free-agency, then trade some moveable players (Johnson, Collins, and/or maybe Sochan) for a 'win-now' veteran star or two.

[Maddog]

Yep, exactly. Spurs are still in "asset amassing" stage and nowhere near "win-now trades" mode. You can't build for the future by burning the present to get there faster.


Yeah, New Orleans did that (for better players) too soon, before figuring what Zion needs around him, & are just a middling team now.

Spurs need to acquire a second star (PG or Wing) and add some quality veterans through free-agency, then trade some moveable players (Johnson, Collins, and/or maybe Sochan) for a 'win-now' veteran star or two.

I'm in agreement and while somewhat disappointed in the record I think it's way too early to panic.
The Spurs are the youngest team in the league and strength of schedule is 3rd. You're second best player has missed significant minutes and your best player is a year and months away form legally ordering a drink in the US.
Also Pop is notorious for not pushing things early in the season.

[Leetonidas]

Damn man, what a mischaracterization, I didn't think we were on bad terms! And hey, if you got a friend who hits the lotto, you let him talk a little shit... Or you're not a friend at all, TBH. But alas.

And hell yeah, WE GOT WEMBY, thanks for the W my guy, but the true W is for all true Spurs fans to enjoy :D

:toast

Future not looking so bright these days tho, even with Wemby :depressed

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You really have no handle in my posting if you think I'm remotely pissed off by this thread :lol I literally love it and love bumping it. It's one of the few hills I've fully decided to die on - so everyone beware, I'll keep at this, you can put me on Ignore or never open this thread or whatever. I have beef with OP that goes beyond any of you :lol



A "new future"? What the fuck are you talking about son? :lol there's only one future, the future, unless we're talking quantum physics and shit. That has always been, and always will be, the point of this thread, and you can read it from page 1 if you don't believe me....

Saying that changes to the roster mean a "new future" is amazingly missing the point of the thread tbqh

You can't say our future is one in the same now vs after having two more top twn picks on our roster.

And because there's no guarantee that will happen, and which players will be available if it does happen, you can't at all say anything remotely similar related to the thread topic before and after that potentially happens.

There's nothing static about this thread. And I've been on it from the beginning. It's clearly dynamic after each draft.

[KobesAchilles]

Crazy what good coaching can do to a team. Ime is doing what we thought Pop could do and that’s teach how to play basketball. Ofc Ime knew the importance of a good veteran PG who can tell all the youngsters who don’t know shit where to be and how to act. Then he got Dillon Brooks to teach players to have heart and the mindset of a defender. It’s things like this that Jalen Green was missing. It could be very beneficial to his future. Dude has a lot of tools (nobody here watches him bc why would you) but if he ever learns how to play I saw all star potential in him.

That being said I’m still not sold on the Spurs as an organization. We have a good GM so that’s nice. But our ownership is bottom half, along with our assistant coaches, head coach, and 75% of the roster. Wemby can only overcome so much and tbh he shouldn’t have to. It’s like DRob all over again

[timtonymanu]

Dude is always wrong. :lol No wonder he and Sug-ass clutch so hard to their Zach Collins takes in the Collins threads. Without that, those two would be would be a combined 0-7130 with their shit takes.

I mean, I've had plenty myself, but it's fucking uncanny with those two. :lol

Atl Spur is your typical optimist, only thing is he rolls with it and doubles down even more with homer ass takes. Lol bumping that Zollins thread only for Zollins to look average just like he’s always been.

[Mugen]

Atl Spur is your typical optimist, only thing is he rolls with it and doubles down even more with homer ass takes. Lol bumping that Zollins thread only for Zollins to look average just like he’s always been.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

:toast

Future not looking so bright these days tho, even with Wemby :depressed

This is such a bad take. What has fundamentally changed from this summer? We know Wemby actually the real deal. Otherwise, honestly what is somehow magically worse than it was 2 months ago?

Y'all make Britney Spears look emotionally stable at times.

[MannyIsGod]

The only team in the division who I think may be capable of title contention is OKC. SGA is good enough to carry them to a title and they have surrounded him with good players. Memphis has all but imploded, the Rockets don't have a guy on the roster who is going to be a legit MVP candidate (don't tell me Sengun is Jokic), Dallas has Luka but has not been able to pair him with anyone and be successful and NOLA has good but not great players. Stars win titles. Guys like Jokic, Tim Duncan, Jordan, Kobe, Hakeem, or Giannis. We have one of those guys on our roster. We're fine.

[Leetonidas]

This is such a bad take. What has fundamentally changed from this summer? We know Wemby actually the real deal. Otherwise, honestly what is somehow magically worse than it was 2 months ago?

Y'all make Britney Spears look emotionally stable at times.

Come on man, deliberately misconstruing my post into being some kind of emotionally unstable rant is disingenuous. I'm gonna assume by "y'all" you mean everyone in general and not me specifically. All I'm saying is the immediate future still looks pretty bleak given what we've seen thus far. Nothing emotional or unstable about it tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Come on man, deliberately misconstruing my post into being some kind of emotionally unstable rant is disingenuous. I'm gonna assume by "y'all" you mean everyone in general and not me specifically. All I'm saying is the immediate future still looks pretty bleak given what we've seen thus far. Nothing emotional or unstable about it tbh

Alright that's fair. I do me more in general on this sub how people not even a quarter of the way into the season are acting like things are substantially worse than in preseason when I think if anything we should all be higher on Wemby right now. It would be nice if a few players on this team were looking like core pieces moving forward but honestly at this point Wemby is all that matters.

[Seventyniner]

The only team in the division who I think may be capable of title contention is OKC.

fyi the Thunder are not in the same division as the Spurs.

It's Spurs, Rockets, Mavs, Pelicans, Grizzlies.

[MannyIsGod]

fyi the Thunder are not in the same division as the Spurs.

It's Spurs, Rockets, Mavs, Pelicans, Grizzlies.

Wow I'm dumb. I literally had the division names in front of me and still put OKC in for some reason.

[gambit1990]

wemby has ability, moxie, and a high bb iq.

"i'd like to thank the spurs and the city of san antonio..." after what, three or four seasons?

spurs aren't turning into semi-contenders by getting younger thru the draft.

[gambit1990]

spurs aren't turning into semi-contenders by getting younger thru the draft.
i concede, maybe by getting a new coach / leaders in the FO but pop just signed that new deal.

[gambit1990]

this roster is bad, that's why i encourage making a deal / deals now.

tbh, what big free agent(s) are the spurs going to attract?

i understand the state the spurs are in but like i said before, wemby isn't going to wait around like robinson.

wemby is a big deal, the money / opportunity elsewhere would be what, 5x? 10x?

take risks.

[gambit1990]

i would waste no time if i were wemby.

spurs' culture is overrated these days.

[Sugus]

:toast

Future not looking so bright these days tho, even with Wemby :depressed

I truly don't understand this gloomy perspective. The future looks great. Why was literally everyone on board with tanking for a second season before pre-season started, and now that it's happening to a great and successful extent, everyone's hitting the panick button? I don't care at all what the Spurs' record will be this season, and that was always the point of the thread.... the future.

All I'm seeing is a generational, True Alpha, future superstar, and very mature prospect on the Spurs. He's given every indication of being OK with the grind and working for the future. He's walked the walk with incredible performances despite losses. And the Spurs nabbed him on the first try, when it often takes tanking teams years before they can get that true #1, if ever. So -- what's not to like, TBH? Literally everyone on this roster is replaceable as long as Wemby's here. I'm cool with waiting a bit for ring #6.

[Sugus]

You can't say our future is one in the same now vs after having two more top twn picks on our roster.

I'm sorry to say this perspective makes no sense, man. Yes, the "future" is inevitably altered with the addition of top picks....... Just as it is inevitably altered by signing a bench player, any random player - who by virtue of existing on the team, will alter their demeanor, composition, practices. You can just as rightfully claim the future is "not the same" if Wemby breaks a toe tomorrow morning, as there is another possible future where he doesn't. So what good is this perspective? Useless.

There's either an infinite number of futures, or simply one. No other options. I'm going with the latter option for this discussion, myself, but feel free to entertain the former.


And because there's no guarantee that will happen, and which players will be available if it does happen, you can't at all say anything remotely similar related to the thread topic before and after that potentially happens.

There's nothing static about this thread. And I've been on it from the beginning. It's clearly dynamic after each draft.

I'm OK with this angle, but you must admit for this, that this entire thread is pointless then. If I can't take a look at the structure of the team, its assets, the medium and long-term outlook of our conference and the league, and make an informed guess that the future is bright..... What is there to talk about, at all? The Spurs' plane might crash next week and everyone dies. That is also a future. I'm working with the facts and reality here, not random inferences like "no guarantee we get good players" sort of mental exercises.

And again, you look at the league, you look at Wemby... The Spurs are sitting pretty right now, tbh.

[Sugus]

Alright that's fair. I do me more in general on this sub how people not even a quarter of the way into the season are acting like things are substantially worse than in preseason when I think if anything we should all be higher on Wemby right now. It would be nice if a few players on this team were looking like core pieces moving forward but honestly at this point Wemby is all that matters.

Great perspective here Manny, totally agree. Wild to see the doom and gloom when this season has been going great.

If you had told ST, before the season; "Wemby will prove to be the real deal before pre-season is even over, and follow it up with generational talent showcases, while the Spurs fully board the tank train in search of Wemby's #2, not going for a half-assed tank but instead picking a lane from the jump and committing to their strategy", I think everyone would've been happy.

But the grass just has to be greener on the other side, always.

[gambit1990]

close game vs the pelicans.

[TrainOfThought5]

I truly don't understand this gloomy perspective. The future looks great. Why was literally everyone on board with tanking for a second season before pre-season started, and now that it's happening to a great and successful extent, everyone's hitting the panick button? I don't care at all what the Spurs' record will be this season, and that was always the point of the thread.... the future.

All I'm seeing is a generational, True Alpha, future superstar, and very mature prospect on the Spurs. He's given every indication of being OK with the grind and working for the future. He's walked the walk with incredible performances despite losses. And the Spurs nabbed him on the first try, when it often takes tanking teams years before they can get that true #1, if ever. So -- what's not to like, TBH? Literally everyone on this roster is replaceable as long as Wemby's here. I'm cool with waiting a bit for ring #6.

the board should be happier than ever, to be honest. It’s a lot easier to find a Robin in the draft, than a Batman. We’ve got the Batman and now we just need the pieces to go around him. Two top ten picks in our hands will do wonders. Just need to go and get Chip back to teach these guys how to shoot threes and we’ll be fine.

[KobesAchilles]

the board should be happier than ever, to be honest. It’s a lot easier to find a Robin in the draft, than a Batman. We’ve got the Batman and now we just need the pieces to go around him. Two top ten picks in our hands will do wonders. Just need to go and get Chip back to teach these guys how to shoot threes and we’ll be fine.
I agree with this post. Imagine drafting a guy like Booker or even Mitchell as your robin on the team. That would ensure that we are contenders for a long time. If Dallas could pair Luka with an actual robin and not Kyrie, they would be super dangerous. I'm ok with the losing but only if we actually hit on the pick

[gambit1990]

why not ask for a trade sooner rather than later? he wants to stay and be coached by someone everyone here wants fired?

[gambit1990]

just look how it went with kawhi. no one in the media ever / will ever bring up how ... that situation went with the spurs.

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Alright that's fair. I do me more in general on this sub how people not even a quarter of the way into the season are acting like things are substantially worse than in preseason when I think if anything we should all be higher on Wemby right now. It would be nice if a few players on this team were looking like core pieces moving forward but honestly at this point Wemby is all that matters.

I'll go back to be the point I beat a dead horse about all the time. Spurs defense.

It's an abomination.

It's worse year over year if you remove Wemby's minutes.

So while I agree Wemby is the real deal, you can't be obtuse and not see the problems surrounding him. Poor defense can only be improved so much by coaching and effort. Beyond that BBIQ comes into play and it's increasingly looking like we don't have a team that will ever be consistently good on that end.

Not to mention our offense increasingly looks to rely on 3 pt chunkers and our squad is simply not set up for that.

So we've got Wemby. On that we agree. What next in your mind? Player development? For how long? At what point do you realize you have a stinker roster that needs to be overhauled? Year 3 of Wemby? How long to grow the newly drafted players and free agents you seem to know will mesh right in and fix all our problems. Ultimately, you risk losing Wemby if some serious issues aren't addressed.

Call that emotional but I call it realistic and rational.

[gambit1990]

is anybody in the draft worth this standing ??

[gambit1990]

i wanted to tank since it was apparent (to me) that kawhi wouldn't come back during the season.

and the season i'm least for tanking is when we have wemby and y'all were fine with being in the gutter :lmao

[gambit1990]

why not ask for a trade sooner rather than later? he wants to stay and be coached by someone everyone here wants fired?
me months ago.

if wemby was in NY, LA, CHI he would be legend already. and those markets would have pressure on their coaches.

[Atl Spur]

Losing is necessary for the future winning, there’s no way around this people. Culture is NEVER overrated, it’s what sustains the foundation of the team. Individuals need not apply…..we are building a team. We are sitting pretty but it takes time and patience.

[Pauleta14]

Losing is necessary for the future winning, there’s no way around this people. Culture is NEVER overrated, it’s what sustains the foundation of the team. Individuals need not apply…..we are building a team. We are sitting pretty but it takes time and patience.

It’s almost April and you still don’t get it… :lol

you and other sniffers keep repeating the same bs ad nauseam when nobody contests that point.

It’s about the (chosen) personnel to develop and be patient about. You can wait a decade Sochan won’t become a high BBIQ or a shooter, Devin won’t become a playmaker and Tre won’t grow or learn to pass.

The parallel with religious fundamentalists is real with u sniffers… :lol

[timtonymanu]

It’s almost April and you still don’t get it… :lol

you and other sniffers keep repeating the same bs ad nauseam when nobody contests that point.

It’s about the (chosen) personnel to develop and be patient about. You can wait a decade Sochan won’t become a high BBIQ or a shooter, Devin won’t become a playmaker and Tre won’t grow or learn to pass.

The parallel with religious fundamentalists is real with u sniffers… :lol

Just wait until we sign another unknown and Atl Spur will get a thread started on how that player is oozing greatness. “Just wait and see.” Lol miss Cleo.

[Atl Spur]

Just wait until we sign another unknown and Atl Spur will get a thread started on how that player is oozing greatness. “Just wait and see.” Lol miss Cleo.

You are embarrassing yourself but if you keep it up I’ll assist:) No need to start something you will lose, facts aren’t on your side big homie.

[Atl Spur]

Fun fact: Alvin Robertson ( Former Spur ) made Josh and Bryn look like choir boys. Brian got that wrong too huh? Ol’ RC and Brian will be ok, they do it better than anyone here in San Antonio:) Remember you are on the side that says they won’t fix this team sooner than later due to incompetence and I’m on the side that begs to differ ( ie: a sniffer I believe is your term ). Let’s see who ends up Wright ( get it ) lol

[NASpurs]

Fun fact: Alvin Robertson ( Former Spur ) made Josh and Bryn look like choir boys. Brian got that wrong too huh? Ol’ RC and Brian will be ok, they do it better than anyone here in San Antonio:) Remember you are on the side that says they won’t fix this team sooner than later due to incompetence and I’m on the side that begs to differ ( ie: a sniffer I believe is your term ). Let’s see who ends up Wright ( get it ) lol

Are you this big of a faggot in real life too?

[spurraider21]

Jalen Green has been on one lately...

in March he has averaged 28.5/6/3.7 on 50/43/80 splits

rockets have really been on to something with Amen being inserted into the starting lineup as a forward. Feels a lot like what Wiggins had been for the recent GSW teams

[baseline bum]

Jalen Green has been on one lately...

in March he has averaged 28.5/6/3.7 on 50/43/80 splits

rockets have really been on to something with Amen being inserted into the starting lineup as a forward. Feels a lot like what Wiggins had been for the recent GSW teams

I'll die laughing if they knock Golden State or the Lakers out of the play-in.

[gambit1990]

Losing is necessary for the future winning, there’s no way around this people. Culture is NEVER overrated, it’s what sustains the foundation of the team. Individuals need not apply…..we are building a team.
you're lost in the sauce, spurs aren't drafting manu and tony next.

[gambit1990]

i think tony was drafted before manu but i typed them by importance.

[Atl Spur]

you're lost in the sauce, spurs aren't drafting manu and tony next.

Am I though? Hmmm if you say say big guy:)

[Atl Spur]

Are you this big of a faggot in real life too?

I don’t know? We just stand on our word where I’m from. You do what you do homie, it doesn’t move me one way or the other. You say a lot crazy shit but on a message they let you make it… in real life they don’t but you already know that huh?

[Atl Spur]

It’s almost April and you still don’t get it… :lol

you and other sniffers keep repeating the same bs ad nauseam when nobody contests that point.

It’s about the (chosen) personnel to develop and be patient about. You can wait a decade Sochan won’t become a high BBIQ or a shooter, Devin won’t become a playmaker and Tre won’t grow or learn to pass.

The parallel with religious fundamentalists is real with u sniffers… :lol

Quick question, was Tony or Manu projected to evolve to superstar/hofer’s? I got you on this one homie….No! Obviously no other NBA front offices had competent personnel at the time because none of them saw these players greatness or maybe it was just as simple as the spurs saw pieces they might be able to develop over time:) other players that were drafted higher than them were cut & traded during there tenure so obviously understanding how development works isn’t foreign to us ( you caught that right ). Devin has already shitted on so many of posters here but their ego keeps them throwing bad takes at a good player! I’ll sit back and watch Sohan do the same in due time.

[slick'81]

Quick question, was Tony or Manu projected to evolve to superstar/hofer’s? I got you on this one homie….No! Obviously no other NBA front offices had competent personnel at the time because none of them saw these players greatness or maybe it was just as simple as the spurs saw pieces they might be able to develop over time:) other players that were drafted higher than them were cut & traded during there tenure so obviously understanding how development works isn’t foreign to us ( you caught that right ). Devin has already shitted on so many of posters here but their ego keeps them throwing bad takes at a good player! I’ll sit back and watch Sohan do the same in due time.


manu was tearing it up overseas bro

[Pauleta14]

Quick question, was Tony or Manu projected to evolve to superstar/hofer’s? I got you on this one homie….No! Obviously no other NBA front offices had competent personnel at the time because none of them saw these players greatness or maybe it was just as simple as the spurs saw pieces they might be able to develop over time:) other players that were drafted higher than them were cut & traded during there tenure so obviously understanding how development works isn’t foreign to us ( you caught that right ). Devin has already shitted on so many of posters here but their ego keeps them throwing bad takes at a good player! I’ll sit back and watch Sohan do the same in due time.

Short or selective memory??

Manu was Italian league MVP and euro league MVP :lol

TP was impossible to guard bc of his 1st step and made a living in the paint.

Still both needed development as well but their floor was A LOT higher than any player Spurs currently have not named Wemby

Again, nobody is against development and patience so stop repeating the same stupid narrative as if u had any opposition on that aspect.

it’s about the personnel you chose to develop and be patient with. Sochan I can buy it bc he’s 20 and has a rare defensive/grit skill. So let’s waits and see…

Tre? Brahman? Champagnie? What kind of miracle are you expecting? Tre suddenly grows?

Vassell has great shooting abilities but he’s been developed for 4 years and will cost the salary of an Allstar without having the talent or skills of one.

At best some of you seem too emotionally attached, just your choice of words are embarrassing « Vassell already shitted on so many posters… » really??:lol

Sell high on Vassell
wait and see for Sochan
Tre max 5-10 min/game
the rest has nothing to do in NBA

[timtonymanu]

Comparing Vassell and Sochan to Manu Ginobili.

I want what ATL is smoking lol.

[TD 21]

Vassell will cost the salary of an Allstar without having the talent or skills of one.

I don't know why this nonsense keeps getting perpetuated. Salary is only relevant insofar as in relation to the cap. His is that of a solid - top starter.

In Andy Bailey's latest monthly aggregate of players in various catch-all metrics, Vassell rates 98th, in a league with 450 standard contracts and 90 two-way ones.

[Sugus]

:lmao this thread.

Spurs have a GOAT candidate rookie on the roster - under contract for years. Easily the best future not in the division, but the entire West, barring Denver maybe.

Unsurprisingly, the Spurs' current "absolute trash" roster was recently ranked the #4 best young core in the entire league, by Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (idc about this source whatsoever): https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dfb1JbzfJ4QiHLxUA2zst?si=511a4a57c2934c56

And hear this -- the ranking did not take draft equity into calculation, only the core of players under 25yo.

[Atl Spur]

Short or selective memory??

Manu was Italian league MVP and euro league MVP :lol

TP was impossible to guard bc of his 1st step and made a living in the paint.

Still both needed development as well but their floor was A LOT higher than any player Spurs currently have not named Wemby

Again, nobody is against development and patience so stop repeating the same stupid narrative as if u had any opposition on that aspect.

it’s about the personnel you chose to develop and be patient with. Sochan I can buy it bc he’s 20 and has a rare defensive/grit skill. So let’s waits and see…

Tre? Brahman? Champagnie? What kind of miracle are you expecting? Tre suddenly grows?

Vassell has great shooting abilities but he’s been developed for 4 years and will cost the salary of an Allstar without having the talent or skills of one.

At best some of you seem too emotionally attached, just your choice of words are embarrassing « Vassell already shitted on so many posters… » really??:lol

Sell high on Vassell
wait and see for Sochan
Tre max 5-10 min/game
the rest has nothing to do in NBA

Comprehension on this board is wild! If my point made no sense to you we can just agree to disagree:)

[Atl Spur]

Comparing Vassell and Sochan to Manu Ginobili.

I want what ATL is smoking lol.

Comprehension I see is no longer a thing huh? Brother, I’ve forgotten more things regarding the Spurs than you ever knew….trust

[Atl Spur]

Jalen Green has been on one lately...

in March he has averaged 28.5/6/3.7 on 50/43/80 splits

rockets have really been on to something with Amen being inserted into the starting lineup as a forward. Feels a lot like what Wiggins had been for the recent GSW teams

People were just burying this dude ( j green )alive a few weeks ago but now saying he’s turned the corner….smh. ST posters, exercise some patience or you’ll keep having to try and rewrite history.

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo
Tell us of the future
Tell us of Primo and Langford and Collins
You were a joke back then and I see you are still one

[MultiTroll]

Unsurprisingly, the Spurs' current "absolute trash" roster was recently ranked the #4 best young core in the entire league, by Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (idc about this source whatsoever):
:lol Internet grifters whom you do not know about say Spurs core is ranked 4th so you buy it.
Real solid basis.

Try watching some Spurs games.

[Jordan Jackson]

:lmao this thread.

Spurs have a GOAT candidate rookie on the roster - under contract for years. Easily the best future not in the division, but the entire West, barring Denver maybe.

Unsurprisingly, the Spurs' current "absolute trash" roster was recently ranked the #4 best young core in the entire league, by Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (idc about this source whatsoever): https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dfb1JbzfJ4QiHLxUA2zst?si=511a4a57c2934c56

And hear this -- the ranking did not take draft equity into calculation, only the core of players under 25yo.

They also thought Chet was ROTY so …meh.

[timtonymanu]

Comprehension I see is no longer a thing huh? Brother, I’ve forgotten more things regarding the Spurs than you ever knew….trust

:lol Miss Cleo
:lol always taking the bait
:lol posting emojis that no one can read

[Sugus]

:lol Internet grifters whom you do not know about say Spurs core is ranked 4th so you buy it.
Real solid basis.

Try watching some Spurs games.

Lol, any one could say good things about the Spurs core and you'd dismiss it altogether anyway.

I don't base the conclusion on a podcast, it just confirms what is clear to me so I thought to share it here. The Spurs are hardly as bad as their record is, and much closer to cohesiveness and winning than most realize.

Have you been catching the future GOAT, tbh? :music

[Sugus]

They also thought Chet was ROTY so …meh.

For sure not a scientific level source, but still worth bringing up for discussion.

[scott]

Lol, any one could say good things about the Spurs core and you'd dismiss it altogether anyway.

I don't base the conclusion on a podcast, it just confirms what is clear to me so I thought to share it here. The Spurs are hardly as bad as their record is, and much closer to cohesiveness and winning than most realize.

Have you been catching the future GOAT, tbh? :music

It's an interesting discussion, to me, because part of why the Spurs "young core" rates so highly is because it has Wemby on it. If not for him, where would it rank? This seems like a bit of a semantic argument, but I think it is quite important because in many ways Wemby masks other relatively poor roster development decisions. I agree that the Spurs right now are better than their record indicates (and their recent record would back that up), but I would argue it's because Wemby is better than even expected (and expectations were high) and is pulling the team with him. Just imagine where we will be with a better roster around him.

[Atl Spur]

:lol Miss Cleo
:lol always taking the bait
:lol posting emojis that no one can read

33k later and still posting nonsense:) If this brings joy to your life, I say keep on posting! 34k is in arms reach…

[Sugus]

It's an interesting discussion, to me, because part of why the Spurs "young core" rates so highly is because it has Wemby on it. If not for him, where would it rank? This seems like a bit of a semantic argument, but I think it is quite important because in many ways Wemby masks other relatively poor roster development decisions. I agree that the Spurs right now are better than their record indicates (and their recent record would back that up), but I would argue it's because Wemby is better than even expected (and expectations were high) and is pulling the team with him. Just imagine where we will be with a better roster around him.

It is precisely because of Wemby being such a huge part of the core, that the future is brigher than most!

This is due to the fact that Basketball is a 1A-game. Having the superior, best player on the court, is a monumental advantage, much more so than other sports. LeBron is a perfect example. Between having talent spread out into multiple players, or concentrated all in one, you always will take all-in-one, and build around it. A trascendent player bends the game more than any sum of parts can. And Wemby isn't even some Curry - he's a trascendently fluid tall man, in a tall men's game.

I'd rather have Wemby, alone and barren, than the entire Rox's core. Any day of the week. He is simply that good. And I'm not surprised others think similarly.

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo
Tell us of the future
Tell us of Primo and Langford and Collins
You were a joke back then and I see you are still one

Hey buddy! Good to have you back; still see you on here trying to make friends and fit in. I’m sure everyone can hardly wait for that next primo / miss Cleo post….. don’t look now but your blow up doll needs air!

[scott]

It is precisely because of Wemby being such a huge part of the core, that the future is brigher than most!

This is due to the fact that Basketball is a 1A-game. Having the superior, best player on the court, is a monumental advantage, much more so than other sports. LeBron is a perfect example. Between having talent spread out into multiple players, or concentrated all in one, you always will take all-in-one, and build around it. A trascendent player bends the game more than any sum of parts can. And Wemby isn't even some Curry - he's a trascendently fluid tall man, in a tall men's game.

I'd rather have Wemby, alone and barren, than the entire Rox's core. Any day of the week. He is simply that good. And I'm not surprised others think similarly.

I don't disagree, but that's also a false choice. We can have both (though not exactly the Rockets core player-for-player, the Spurs will and should still pick players that they like, as we both pointed out in another thread). I think most sane people can view our roster today with an amnesty for any "bad choices" (Primo over Sengun, Vassell over Haliburton) made in the past, since those "bad choices" led us to getting Wemby. However, with Wemby in hand, we must no longer let Wemby's presence excuse bad roster decisions going forward (with that said, there will still be misses - there always are, and they need not each be individually viewed as a fireable offense).

[timtonymanu]

33k later and still posting nonsense:) If this brings joy to your life, I say keep on posting! 34k is in arms reach…

Bringing up my posts like I care. You still keep taking the bait :lol.

[Atl Spur]

Bringing up my posts like I care. You still keep taking the bait :lol.

Yet you respond; a person with that many post clearly has some stuff to get off their chest(and the chest of 5 to 10 more people ) lol. We’re listening…..

[timtonymanu]

Yet you respond; a person with that many post clearly has some stuff to get off their chest(and the chest of 5 to 10 more people ) lol. We’re listening…..

Still taking the bait lol.

[Atl Spur]

Still taking the bait lol.

Ok, you don’t want to talk basketball or facts…cool. Be easy my friend:)

[Sugus]

I don't disagree, but that's also a false choice. We can have both (though not exactly the Rockets core player-for-player, the Spurs will and should still pick players that they like, as we both pointed out in another thread). I think most sane people can view our roster today with an amnesty for any "bad choices" (Primo over Sengun, Vassell over Haliburton) made in the past, since those "bad choices" led us to getting Wemby. However, with Wemby in hand, we must no longer let Wemby's presence excuse bad roster decisions going forward (with that said, there will still be misses - there always are, and they need not each be individually viewed as a fireable offense).

I think that is the key takeaway and something I completely agree with. I'm also expecting a busy off-season and, you can take my word for it, I'd be very disappointed to see the Spurs roll into next season without movement of the roster at multiple levels.

But in the end, though I understand your false dichotomy counterpoint, my point remains true. Basketball is a game where 1A talent is simply superior to 2A-2A, and of course better than 3A-3A-3A (or however you want to describe it). The Rox have made some good moves, but they still have the "elephant in the room" problem of lacking the true, 1A talent, and they no longer have a way to tank for it.

So now, they can either hope that one of their players elevates to anywhere close to Wemby's level (lol), a disgruntled star forces their way to Houston (lol), or to eventually consolidate some of their youth into that 1A player/talent (historically very rare outside of disgruntled Kawhi scenarios). That's not a great position to be in, all things considered.

When the dust settles, and it will, I'm taking the Spurs core no doubt in my mind.

[scott]

I think that is the key takeaway and something I completely agree with. I'm also expecting a busy off-season and, you can take my word for it, I'd be very disappointed to see the Spurs roll into next season without movement of the roster at multiple levels.

But in the end, though I understand your false dichotomy counterpoint, my point remains true. Basketball is a game where 1A talent is simply superior to 2A-2A, and of course better than 3A-3A-3A (or however you want to describe it). The Rox have made some good moves, but they still have the "elephant in the room" problem of lacking the true, 1A talent, and they no longer have a way to tank for it.

So now, they can either hope that one of their players elevates to anywhere close to Wemby's level (lol), a disgruntled star forces their way to Houston (lol), or to eventually consolidate some of their youth into that 1A player/talent (historically very rare outside of disgruntled Kawhi scenarios). That's not a great position to be in, all things considered.

When the dust settles, and it will, I'm taking the Spurs core no doubt in my mind.

At some point, however, we need to acknowledge that there are only so many 1As to go around. Not every team gets one. The Rockets have done a good job assembling a roster with what I would consider three #2s right now, each with the potential (as small as it may be) of elevating to a #1 - though maybe only a 1B. That's about as much as you can ask for, IMO.

Now, the Spurs are lucky in that we landed that #1A (with GOAT potential) and of course that puts us in a different boat. What I like about what the Rockets have done is that they assembled that core talent, then they signed some vets to make that same next step we should look to make next year in my opinion (play-in contention), and they did those Vets deals in a way that fits the timeline of that young core. FVV and Brooks will be rolling off by the time their young core are hitting extensions and (hopefully, if you are the Rockets), have made that leap. That works perfectly well for their team.

My only point was that the Spurs young core is rated so highly because of one element, who thankfully the BB Gods smiled upon us to deliver. Now it's the FO's job to not screw it up from here on out.

[gambit1990]

great job trading the #8 pick.

[scottspurs]

The Kawhi Leonard trade will never end lmao

[gambit1990]

The Kawhi Leonard trade will never end lmao
in b4 the spurs trade draft picks & assets for demar derozan.

[offset formation]

Haha. I knew this thread would resurface. Been watching the draft on delay because I couldn't catch it in real time.

[SouthernFryd]

Spurs coulda had Dalton Knecht at 8...just were unable to see his potential. Smh.

Got Dilly instead and traded him for...nothing.

Let's see how this one ages.

[exstatic]

Spurs coulda had Dalton Knecht at 8...just were unable to see his potential. Smh.

Got Dilly instead and traded him for...nothing.

Let's see how this one ages.

You’ve already decided that it’s nothing, so why are we waiting to see?

[gambit1990]

this thread was absolutely right.

i’ve been wanting cp3 on the spurs for almost two decades.

it’s cool that it has finally happened but i still don’t trust pop / the braintrust.

BUT cp3 will fix that.

[gambit1990]

in b4 the spurs trade draft picks & assets for demar derozan.
1808695129684799978

this thread was absolutely right.

i’ve been wanting cp3 on the spurs for almost two decades.

it’s cool that it has finally happened but i still don’t trust pop / the braintrust.

BUT cp3 will fix that.
TWO STEPS FORWARD, FOUR STEPS BACK.

[Atl Spur]

Rc, check out page 39….im trying to help you guys but you like the taste of crow. Y that’s enough for now unless you run your cumdumpter. Be easy and very ,very quite:)

[lefty20]

It's the Mavs.

/thread

[Sugus]

Not exactly the way I was expecting OP to be proved dead fucking wrong, but I ain't complaining :lol:lol

[vy65]

Think we can retire this thread now.

M:lolvs

[vy65]

OKC owns a Mavs 2028 1st Round Pick Swap
Rockets own a Mavs 2029 1st Round Pick Swap
Spurs own a Mavs 2031 1st Round Pick Swap

:lmao

[Mr. Body]

Mavs have imploded.

Grizz look like they may be busted up, maybe.

Pels are a big question mark.

Houston, though, is an interesting case. For all the talk of their bright young talents, they have a lot of mismatched parts and underperforming players. Ime has them playing excellent defense, but they can't score. They depend a lot on older players Fred VanVleet and Dillon Brooks, plus Stephen Adams. A lot of their top draft picks have plateaued or look like busts.

Jabari Smith looks like an expensive role-player who came off the bench. Green had an awful, awful playoffs. Whitmore is unplayable. Reed is a huge question mark. Only Amen looks like a budding star and Sengun is crafty and good but has holes that must be accounted for.

If they manage to get Booker this summer, does that solve the issues? They need to take a swing somewhere.