spurs have the worst future in their division

[gambit1990]

so far.

imagine if they just let la and demar walk for nothing :lmao

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[gambit1990]

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good job posting someone smarter than you.

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[DeRozan m8]

so far.

imagine if they just let la and demar walk for nothing :lmao

Okay faggot

It's not like your team is going anywhere either....eat a cock

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[Chinook]

As if the Spurs' future depends on getting a heavily protected first or second-rounder for their old guys.

[Dejounte]

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[gambit1990]

remember when ST had more to offer than Dejounte?

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[gambit1990]

Okay faggot

It's not like your team is going anywhere either....eat a cock
raps aren't my team. they'll make the playoffs though.

[Dejounte]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/55c7d277b8ab3119eecc77355f315a56/tumblr_nb4icuLZW91tzpkfuo1_400.gif

[look_at_g_shred]

Bro wtf you taking about? We even have the best Luka in the division.

[gambit1990]

hey mods, don't block Dejounte, look how smart he is!!

[gambit1990]

As if the Spurs' future depends on getting a heavily protected first or second-rounder for their old guys.
as if spurs' future depends on d white, d murray, and kj :rolleyes:rolleyes

[Dejounte]

hey mods, don't block Dejounte, look how smart he is!!

You honestly believe you're smart? LMAO

[gambit1990]

chinook just totally blowing off what demar and la could get the spurs :lmao :lmao

[offset formation]

I feel like I took a huge handful of psychedelics.

[gambit1990]

You honestly believe you're smart? LMAO
i am. you're the one posting gifs :lol

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

Shit poster gets shit posts

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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[gambit1990]

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

[Chinook]

as if spurs' future depends on d white, d murray, and kj :rolleyes:rolleyes

Nah, it probably doesn't. It likely depends on who they get with their eventual lottery picks. It definitely isn't going to depend on dumping guys this year though.

[gambit1990]

Nah, it probably doesn't. It likely depends on who they get with their eventual lottery picks. It definitely isn't going to depend on dumping guys this year though.
you dump guys for picks and then you can tank this year :lol

start now, don't start this offseason :lmao

[gambit1990]

the spurs can get a return for demar and la.

[RC_Drunkford]

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

lol Rockets :lmao :lmao

[gambit1990]

me = same poster who wanted to dump tony years before the spurs did

y'all = need to catch up

[gambit1990]

lol Rockets :lmao :lmao
idk why you're laughing tbh. they have picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

idk why you're laughing tbh. they have picks.

so do the Spurs, but we also got 6 young rotation players, 3 of them starters and have about 4 young third stringers. What do the Rockets have besides low Brooklyn Nets picks?

[exstatic]

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

Rockets send picks and swaps to OKC to offload CP3. Rockets send picks and swaps to WSH to offload Westchuck. Rockets recoup some picks, likely late first rounders, and swaps from the Harden trade. The second and third trades made the first one catastrophic. Those swaps looked worthless when the CP3 trade went down, but now they look to convey. The nets swaps will likely never convey, because the Nets will almost certainly remain the better team. So, the Rockets owe OKC a group of first rounders, and will be forced to swap any pick that is better than OKCs. They also owe a group of first rounders to WSH. The swaps are unknown in this case, but both teams will likely be in the lottery. They are owed a group of likely late first rounders by BKN, and pick swaps that will likely never convey. Huge net negative.

[gambit1990]

spurs and rockets are trying to make the playoffs.

point is, the rocket won't lose demar and la for nothing.

[gambit1990]

the spurs aren't good enough so let's keep being not good enough !!

[John B]

Troll

[gambit1990]

Troll
nope. PATFO is trolling you.

[gambit1990]

for anyone new to me, i have been right since i've been posting here.

[XDT76]

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

Then why are they either below the Spurs or fighting seeding with the Spurs?

[XDT76]

for anyone new to me, i have been right since i've been posting here.

No you are not, you set your team as Raptor and then you said they are not your team so either you are wrong or you are dumb.

[Mr. Body]

For real though the Pelicans look like trash without a lot of ways to fix their problems.

[gambit1990]

No you are not, you set your team as Raptor and then you said they are not your team so either you are wrong or you are dumb.
mods changed my team so you're dead wrong.

[gambit1990]

No you are not, you set your team as Raptor and then you said they are not your team so either you are wrong or you are dumb.
it's ironic you brought it up though cause i said the raps would win after landing kawhi and they did :lmao

that's why my team got changed. i was right again then.

[gambit1990]

For real though the Pelicans look like trash without a lot of ways to fix their problems.
could say that about the spurs too tbh.

[Robz4000]

Rockets send picks and swaps to OKC to offload CP3. Rockets send picks and swaps to WSH to offload Westchuck. Rockets recoup some picks, likely late first rounders, and swaps from the Harden trade. The second and third trades made the first one catastrophic. Those swaps looked worthless when the CP3 trade went down, but now they look to convey. The nets swaps will likely never convey, because the Nets will almost certainly remain the better team. So, the Rockets owe OKC a group of first rounders, and will be forced to swap any pick that is better than OKCs. They also owe a group of first rounders to WSH. The swaps are unknown in this case, but both teams will likely be in the lottery. They are owed a group of likely late first rounders by BKN, and pick swaps that will likely never convey. Huge net negative.

The Rockets got Wall and a first round pick for Westchimp. They didn't send any picks/pick swaps.

[tbdog]

could say that about the spurs too tbh.

I mean, if Spurs got a godfather offer for Leonard, and netted the number 1 pick. Just imagine.

[RC_Drunkford]

spurs and rockets are trying to make the playoffs.

point is, the rocket won't lose demar and la for nothing.

yeah cause DeMar and LA don't play for them :lol

[spurspl]

spurs and rockets are trying to make the playoffs.

point is, the rocket won't lose demar and la for nothing.

spurs neither, gonna resign both or one of them+sign another old slow ass veteran via FA :lol

[TD 21]

As if the Spurs' future depends on getting a heavily protected first or second-rounder for their old guys.

It might. You never know what leads to lucking into a superstar/star.

[TheGreatYacht]

OP is a faggot, but he's right. Trading Derozan, Aldridge, and Mills nets us at least 3-4 first round picks. Better to tank than continue dreaming of a first round sweep.

Core of Dejounte, Keldon, Derrick, Lonnie, Vassell + 3-4 extra first round picks from other teams + our own lottery picks :tu

[KingKev]

OP is a faggot, but he's right. Trading Derozan, Aldridge, and Mills nets us at least 3-4 first round picks. Better to tank than continue dreaming of a first round sweep.

Core of Dejounte, Keldon, Derrick, Lonnie, Vassell + 3-4 extra first round picks from other teams + our own lottery picks :tu

Only way we get 3-4 firsts for the vets is if we take on some bad contracts. Derozan is probably the only player who would realistically net a first and an expiring. There are only 15 teams who can actually trade a 1st round pick currently. They are in historical short supply.

[pad300]

OP is a faggot, but he's right. Trading Derozan, Aldridge, and Mills nets us at least 3-4 first round picks. Better to tank than continue dreaming of a first round sweep.

Core of Dejounte, Keldon, Derrick, Lonnie, Vassell + 3-4 extra first round picks from other teams + our own lottery picks :tu

Not enough teams buying to do that. Only 1 or 2 of Derozan, Aldridge, Mills and Gay get traded, because there's only a few teams in the market. But we should do trades - while being careful to keep the financial side of the house rosy even if it means taking back a later pick.

[ECOV]

lmao smart, doubt. this post says other wise

[J_Paco]

Yeah, the veterans that couldn't fetch an extra first-round pick in a mediocre draft are all of a sudden going to garner multiple firsts. Sometimes I think the denizens and trolls of ST don't realize how stupid they sound until they type.

Like someone already said, they likely can't fetch a first-round pick alone and will either need a young asset attached or the Spurs taking back bad contracts. No thanks to both of those scenarios, TBH.

To the point of this stupid thread (#1,000,00 for an ST troll), I think the "young core" of the Rockets is far worse, they sold the farm trying to get over the hump (acquiring Paul & Westbrook) & doing the bidding of (eventual) malcontent James Harden. Pretty sure they are looking at a miserable future unless something crazy happens.

Pelicans have better prospects (duh, they were all taken in the lottery), but the team construction and fit is dubious at this point. Plus, unless they move him before the deadline, it seems that Lonzo Ball is all but gone for nothing in return. They are off to another poor start in the "Zion Era" and definitely need to hit a homerun soon to get back on track.

Grizzlies are the biggest unknown until Jaren Jackson Jr. returns and we see if he can take a big leap. They also need to add more high quality prospects around Morant & Jackson Jr. Morant seems to have the highest upside (Doncic is already a star so not lumping him or Dallas with the rest) amongst all the young talent in the SW division.

[rankingtear]

Doubtful a trade for a first is even available

a. strong draft
b. 15 teams can't trade 1st rounders
c. only 5 contenders can trade
d. some of those contenders are waiting for Bradley Beal

[mo7888]

Doubtful a trade for a first is even available

a. strong draft
b. 15 teams can't trade 1st rounders
c. only 5 contenders can trade
d. some of those contenders are waiting for Bradley Beal

I think your B and C are the biggest impediments to a trade that Nets us 1st rounders.

[Rummpd]

Most basketball fans don’t give a darn about division standings anyway nor should they. All about the WC.

[XDT76]

Yeah, the veterans that couldn't fetch an extra first-round pick in a mediocre draft are all of a sudden going to garner multiple firsts. Sometimes I think the denizens and trolls of ST don't realize how stupid they sound until they type.

Like someone already said, they likely can't fetch a first-round pick alone and will either need a young asset attached or the Spurs taking back bad contracts. No thanks to both of those scenarios, TBH.

To the point of this stupid thread (#1,000,00 for an ST troll), I think the "young core" of the Rockets is far worse, they sold the farm trying to get over the hump (acquiring Paul & Westbrook) & doing the bidding of (eventual) malcontent James Harden. Pretty sure they are looking at a miserable future unless something crazy happens.

Pelicans have better prospects (duh, they were all taken in the lottery), but the team construction and fit is dubious at this point. Plus, unless they move him before the deadline, it seems that Lonzo Ball is all but gone for nothing in return. They are off to another poor start in the "Zion Era" and definitely need to hit a homerun soon to get back on track.

Grizzlies are the biggest unknown until Jaren Jackson Jr. returns and we see if he can take a big leap. They also need to add more high quality prospects around Morant & Jackson Jr. Morant seems to have the highest upside (Doncic is already a star so not lumping him or Dallas with the rest) amongst all the young talent in the SW division.

A lot of these traders don't even understand how the trades work. The four vets earn a total of 70 - 80 contracts do we really want bad contracts of that value to tie us down for next couple of years? Besides a team is unable to develop too many young players due to playing time and limited numbers of development coaches. Too many 2k players here.

[spurs1990]

Somehow someway despite the jeckyl Hyde season the Spurs are winning the division after this Boston win

https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg

[Mr. Body]

I don't see anyone in the division competing for a championship soon. Most aligned is Dallas, but they are closer to treadmill danger, with a budding superstar winning a lot of games but not enough support to push forward. Rockets will go down to the basement soon. Memphis seems like a nice team but are pieces away that won't ever appear. Spurs have good young talent and cap flexibility, but I'm not sure what the ceiling actually is.

[Chinook]

And that's with the Spurs having an abysmal 5-4 record against losing teams. That is the worst record of any winning team. Every team currently above SA in the conference have won at least four more games than they've lost against the worst teams in the league. If SA had won even just the Rockets and Wolves games, they'd be within spitting distance of the top seed right now. The good teams aren't the problem. SA's 5-4 record against teams .500 and above is literally the fourth-best in the whole league. They are beating good teams, but they are losing to bad teams, and that shit has to stop.

[Mr. Body]

And that's with the Spurs having an abysmal 5-4 record against losing teams. That is the worst record of any winning team. Every team currently above SA in the conference have won at least four more games than they've lost against the worst teams in the league. If SA had won even just the Rockets and Wolves games, they'd be within spitting distance of the top seed right now. The good teams aren't the problem. SA's 5-4 record against teams .500 and above is literally the fourth-best in the whole league. They are beating good teams, but they are losing to bad teams, and that shit has to stop.

That's a mark of a young team, where the vets generally cannot win games on their own. People bitch about this win against Boston, or whatever other victory, but learning how to win these games is paramount. As a note, the Spurs have already faced the LAL three times, which is significant. They should have won another against the Lakers, too, just lost by a couple of plays. (If LMA played, I think the Spurs win.) Most of the league is mired somewhere around .500 right now.

[rankingtear]

So far we have faced the 2nd toughest schedule because of LAL 3x , LAC and UTA and almost tops in western conference games played.

[gambit1990]

get as high as you want with RS wins.

[gambit1990]

Somehow someway despite the jeckyl Hyde season the Spurs are winning the division after this Boston win

https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg
um... ja was injured... and the rockets were dealing with harden... AND the maverick will NOT stay under the spurs

[gambit1990]

They are beating good teams, but they are losing to bad teams, and that shit has to stop.
WHO GIVES A SH!T :lmao

[gambit1990]

spurs win a game and people blow off the entire premise of the thread :lmao

[Chinook]

spurs win a game and people blow off the entire premise of the thread :lmao

Pretty sure they were blowing off the thread anyway.

[Dejounte]

This guy has no clue why people are excited about the team because he doesn't even watch the fucking games. People should stop paying attention to this moron.

[gambit1990]

BUMP

[gambit1990]

It might. You never know what leads to lucking into a superstar/star.
exactly. chinook outright dismissing what some picks might bring :lol

this year's MVP was drafted #41...

[SuperCam]

slowmo knew what he was doing when he signed with the better team going forward :tu

[gambit1990]

weird, it's quiet in here now that the spurs aren't winning anymore...

[Sugus]

weird, it's quiet in here now that the spurs aren't winning anymore...

We're all waiting for you to shut the fuck up, tbh.

[gambit1990]

We're all waiting for you to shut the fuck up, tbh.
but y'all were posting when i posted this thread. which is when the spurs were winning.

[gambit1990]

We're all waiting for you to shut the fuck up, tbh.
avoid the truth as long as you want i guess.


get as high as you want with RS wins.

[Sugus]

but y'all were posting when i posted this thread. which is when the spurs were winning.

I wasn't posting on this shit thread, I can tell you that. Mostly just Dejounte trolling you.


avoid the truth as long as you want i guess.

What "truth" is your deluded mind speaking of? There's no more annoying poster than a "prophet" and ST is filled with them. Somehow all thinking they're always right, even when having diametrically opposed views. No one cares that you think the Spurs have the worst future in the division, or the league for that matter: you're not gonna be here to own up to your shit take if and when it ends up being completely wrong. You have little credibility because you fail to acknowledge anything that you haven't gotten "right" (and most times it's either things that have a high chance of happening (the famous "we're gonna lose this game!!" at the start of every single game thread, not just you, just an example), or things that you're twisting into being "right").

I don't care if the Spurs win more or less regular season games. This season was always supposed to be about developing talent, and we're sure doing so. Keldon's looking like a stud, Vassell looks like he'll be a future stud, DJ is looking like a consistent borderline All-Star. Can we talk about that? No....... Let's constantly focus on the negatives and how your takes are so right. It's boring, old (have you been on this shtick all the way back since '12, tbh?), and lame.

So yeah, just waiting for the next Spurs W so posters like you shut up for a hot sec, and we can have some nice discussion. :wakeup

[gambit1990]

What "truth" is your deluded mind speaking of? There's no more annoying poster than a "prophet" and ST is filled with them. Somehow all thinking they're always right, even when having diametrically opposed views. No one cares that you think the Spurs have the worst future in the division, or the league for that matter: you're not gonna be here to own up to your shit take if and when it ends up being completely wrong. You have little credibility because you fail to acknowledge anything that you haven't gotten "right" (and most times it's either things that have a high chance of happening (the famous "we're gonna lose this game!!" at the start of every single game thread, not just you, just an example), or things that you're twisting into being "right").

I don't care if the Spurs win more or less regular season games. This season was always supposed to be about developing talent, and we're sure doing so. Keldon's looking like a stud, Vassell looks like he'll be a future stud, DJ is looking like a consistent borderline All-Star. Can we talk about that? No....... Let's constantly focus on the negatives and how your takes are so right. It's boring, old (have you been on this shtick all the way back since '12, tbh?), and lame.

So yeah, just waiting for the next Spurs W so posters like you shut up for a hot sec, and we can have some nice discussion. :wakeup
i am the true prophet.

i've said:
> the spurs would beat with rockets without tony parker
> that the raptors would win in year one with kawhi
> that the spurs would be irrelevant as long as they've have demar

and i've also already said spurs aren't making the playoffs this year.

and i posted this thread when the spurs were winning, not losing.

[Sugus]

i am the true prophet.

i've said:
> the spurs would beat with rockets without tony parker
> that the raptors would win in year one with kawhi
> that the spurs would be irrelevant as long as they've have demar

and i've also already said spurs aren't making the playoffs this year.

and i posted this thread when the spurs were winning, not losing.

So it has been the same shtick since '12, huh? Doesn't get tiresome? Good on ya, I guess... I'd say, keep it up, but please don't, tbh.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

i am the true prophet.

i've said:
> the spurs would beat with rockets without tony parker
> that the raptors would win in year one with kawhi
> that the spurs would be irrelevant as long as they've have demar

and i've also already said spurs aren't making the playoffs this year.

and i posted this thread when the spurs were winning, not losing.

There's this saying about blind squirrels...

[exstatic]

This one did age well at ALL.

[Dejounte]

This one did age well at ALL.

Shhhh this asshole is hibernating until the Spurs lose again. Don't disrupt his slumber.

[Mr. Body]

I still don't know this team's future, but they sure are loaded. Dallas, Houston, Memphis, they all have issues, with Memphis the better situated other than the Spurs. People say SAS has no stars, but they're pretty damn close.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I still don't know this team's future, but they sure are loaded. Dallas, Houston, Memphis, they all have issues, with Memphis the better situated other than the Spurs. People say SAS has no stars, but they're pretty damn close.

Agreed. For a team that hasn't drafted drafted in the top 10 since Tim Duncan, and rarely sees two first round picks, the Spurs have done pretty damn well. More hits than misses, which is hard to do now that so many kids come out before you can truly judge their capabilities.

[BillMc]

They're already pretty watchable with their current contributors. If Lonnie and Devin can manage to contribute more and Luka and Tre at least become rotation guys, then the team is only going to get better. They have a nice young core waiting for that breakout star.

[gambit1990]

This one did age well at ALL.
you're missing the point of this thread. spurs could end this season with the best record in the division and my point would still stand.

this thread is about the future, future. not weeks or months. spurs need to do what OKC did and move their vets. especially instead of letting them walk for nothing.

spurs move demar, la, rudy for the right assets and i take this thread back.

[rankingtear]

you're missing the point of this thread. spurs could end this season with the best record in the division and my point would still stand.

this thread is about the future, future. not weeks or months. spurs need to do what OKC did and move their vets. especially instead of letting them walk for nothing.

spurs move demar, la, rudy for the right assets and i take this thread back.

It would be easier if you say what year in the future so this thread does not get bumped up every game.

[gambit1990]

It would be easier if you say what year in the future so this thread does not get bumped up every game.
just see the first post in this thread. it's about moving vets before they walk for nothing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

just see the first post in this thread. it's about moving vets before they walk for nothing.

But the vets wouldn't walk for nothing - it'd create a lot of cap space. In case you think Spurs can't get anyone good with their cap space, why do you think moving the vets' salaries now would yield better returns ( considering half the NBA can't trade picks ), than selling cap space for picks in the summer?

[gambit1990]

But the vets wouldn't walk for nothing - it'd create a lot of cap space. In case you think Spurs can't get anyone good with their cap space, why do you think moving the vets' salaries now would yield better returns ( considering half the NBA can't trade picks ), than selling cap space for picks in the summer?
a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[gambit1990]

and the spurs should be tanking anyways.

it's not like anywhere near being a pretender.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I've no idea what your point is tbh.

[rankingtear]

just see the first post in this thread. it's about moving vets before they walk for nothing.

Set a year man, you have been right a lot of times why not take the risk.

[ragas]

It’s time to close this thread

[rjv]

It’s time to close this thread

Should have been closed the moment it was posted

[BillMc]

The defensive potential of a team with DJ, White, Keldon, Devin, Luka, and Jakob is really promising. Not sure who you take out for a max-d starting 5, but its a good problem to have. Hard to think out future is bad

[buttsR4rebounding]

The defensive potential of a team with DJ, White, Keldon, Devin, Luka, and Jakob is really promising. Not sure who you take out for a max-d starting 5, but its a good problem to have. Hard to think out future is bad

IMO this screams for White to play the Manu role complete with nagging injuries.

[John B]

Spurs future lineup: DJ 29th pick, Derrick 29th pick, Devin 11th pick, Keldon 29th pick, Luka 19th pick and 6th man Lonnie 18th pick. Spurs 5 years picks, built from within.

[RC_Drunkford]

this thread is getting worse and worse by the day :lmao

[exstatic]

It’s funny, but OP bragged on coming in here often, but he’s on the side of a milk carton for a while now.

[cjw]

This thread will be good for many bumps. No, the Spurs don’t have a top two like Luka/KP, Zion/Ingram or Ja/JJJ. But the depth, flexibility and upside the Spurs trot out is outstanding and should keep them competitive with those teams. They hit it out of the park on their six first rounders in five consecutive drafts (worst pick being Walker who should be fine as a sixth man) plus the Poeltl trade who’s essentially another draft pick acquired by trade a couple years into his deal.

Spurs also have a ton more flexibility this offseason and still own all of their picks. Some people are acting like a very good, cost-controlled young core plus $50mm in cap space is a bad thing. Are they signing a superstar? No. But they have a lot of other paths to making the team a lot better.

My move would be to scour the league for a team looking to get off a contract and absorb it into cap space (still may have enough left to sign Demar without bird rights) and then also attach LWIV plus the Spurs’ pick to move towards the top of the draft. Essentially reset the clock on that contract and try to get the most upside possible. Hard to do with draft before FA, but that’s why PATFO get paid the big bucks.

[XDT76]

Set a year man, you have been right a lot of times why not take the risk.

That is his idea so that 10, 50 years later he could come in and said he foresee it wayyyyyyy before anyone did.

[Dejounte]

It’s funny, but OP bragged on coming in here often, but he’s on the side of a milk carton for a while now.

Oh he's on here alright. Pretty sure he's on his main account posting, "Go Spurs!" and then waiting for consecutive losses to go back to this one to talk trash again.

[XDT76]

Spurs future lineup: DJ 29th pick, Derrick 29th pick, Devin 11th pick, Keldon 29th pick, Luka 19th pick and 6th man Lonnie 18th pick. Spurs 5 years picks, built from within.

Tre could also be a good backup if he could sort out his shots

[BillMc]

I kind of feel Lonnie is on that "We like him, but we'll risk him in RFA" path that Kyle was on.

[mo7888]

I kind of feel Lonnie is on that "We like him, but we'll risk him in RFA" path that Kyle was on.

Unless he takes a discount....I think you're right...

[look_at_g_shred]

This thread will be good for many bumps. No, the Spurs don’t have a top two like Luka/KP, Zion/Ingram or Ja/JJJ. But the depth, flexibility and upside the Spurs trot out is outstanding and should keep them competitive with those teams. They hit it out of the park on their six first rounders in five consecutive drafts (worst pick being Walker who should be fine as a sixth man) plus the Poeltl trade who’s essentially another draft pick acquired by trade a couple years into his deal.

Spurs also have a ton more flexibility this offseason and still own all of their picks. Some people are acting like a very good, cost-controlled young core plus $50mm in cap space is a bad thing. Are they signing a superstar? No. But they have a lot of other paths to making the team a lot better.

My move would be to scour the league for a team looking to get off a contract and absorb it into cap space (still may have enough left to sign Demar without bird rights) and then also attach LWIV plus the Spurs’ pick to move towards the top of the draft. Essentially reset the clock on that contract and try to get the most upside possible. Hard to do with draft before FA, but that’s why PATFO get paid the big bucks.
I don't think enough people understand this point right here. Also too, we are young, exciting, and we move the ball. It's not far fetched to believe a superstar type player may find that attractive.

[Dejounte]

I kind of feel Lonnie is on that "We like him, but we'll risk him in RFA" path that Kyle was on.

I have a feeling Lonnie will be a little more humble about his worth than your typical young upcoming free agent. He's wholesome, has a house in SA, probably thankful for all the things SA has done for him. I think he sees DJ and White and knows he's not better than those two, so he'll be more willing to accept a lower offer.

[BillMc]

I have a feeling Lonnie will be a little more humble about his worth than your typical young upcoming free agent. He's wholesome, has a house in SA, probably thankful for all the things SA has done for him. I think he sees DJ and White and knows he's not better than those two, so he'll be more willing to accept a lower offer.

Hope you're right. What do you think Lonnie's extension should be?

[Dejounte]

Hope you're right. What do you think Lonnie's extension should be?

Hopefully somewhere between $10 mil to $14 mil. About the same as guys like Marcus Smart, Robert Covington, Jeremy Lamb are making...

[PrimeMinister]

Lonnie’s value in a potential RFA situation is an absolute enigma until next year

I’m not opposed to a pre season extension in similar value to Jakob’s deal- a 3 year MLE type commitment for the team to give him some vote of confidence, while allowing for the possibility that he breaks out in his last rookie deal year and you have him locked up at a bargain deal.

That scenario aside- if he builds on this year a little bit and has a nice showing in 2022, something like 15 points on respectable efficiency, closer to 40% from 3. He’ll get some offers in the range of 17 million or so with the hope that he develops into a star. He could also regress next year or stagnate and have a limited market.

[look_at_g_shred]

Hope you're right. What do you think Lonnie's extension should be?
I like 4/15 per with incentives for 6MOTY or even All Defense.

[rankingtear]

Hopefully somewhere between $10 mil to $14 mil. About the same as guys like Marcus Smart, Robert Covington, Jeremy Lamb are making...

What if i told you Lonnie is ranked 249 in terms of WAR and Raptor out 250 rotation players.

[pad300]

Hope you're right. What do you think Lonnie's extension should be?

From what I've seen so far, he gets less than Poeltl money...

Also, people need to have a serious look at cap dynamics for the long term, given some of the contracts they are proposing...

My own opinion. 1) The tax line is going to be ~ 125 million (SAS are not likely to pay the tax). 2) To win the league you need at least a big 2, who (barring rookie contracts), are going to be expensive (>50 million between them). 3) That leaves <$75 million for the next 13 spots. 4)MLE is ~$10 Million; we have to be very careful about throwing around $ MLE level contracts around...

Assume our "top 2" are an FA (or Derozan) + DJ for $50M. Poetlt $9M, White $16M. We got $ 50M for the next 11 spots... We will want to sign Keldon - he'll want at least White money... We also have Luka (potentially also looking at money) and Vassel. (Not to mention Tre, who looks good...).

[Dejounte]

What if i told you Lonnie is ranked 249 in terms of WAR and Raptor out 250 rotation players.

I know advanced metrics say he's bad, don't need to see those when you can easily see it in real-time that he's bad. But I think a little re-configuration of his playstyle and I think he can flip those metrics upside down. (Not saying he'll be elite, but maybe a solid role player)

[mo7888]

From what I've seen so far, he gets less than Poeltl money...

Also, people need to have a serious look at cap dynamics for the long term, given some of the contracts they are proposing...

My own opinion. 1) The tax line is going to be ~ 125 million (SAS are not likely to pay the tax). 2) To win the league you need at least a big 2, who (barring rookie contracts), are going to be expensive (>50 million between them). 3) That leaves <$75 million for the next 13 spots. 4)MLE is ~$10 Million; we have to be very careful about throwing around $ MLE level contracts around...

Assume our "top 2" are an FA (or Derozan) + DJ for $50M. Poetlt $9M, White $16M. We got $ 50M for the next 11 spots... We will want to sign Keldon - he'll want at least White money... We also have Luka (potentially also looking at money) and Vassel. (Not to mention Tre, who looks good...).

The tax line will be higher than 125M in future years...

DDR $30M (3 year deal)
White $17M
Dj $16M
Poeltl $9M
Lonnie $ 15M (if we extend)

That's $87M, if the cap comes in at your $125M that still leaves $38M for the rest on rookie scale and minimum contracts. We should be fine and at some point we'll have to trade a couple of the young guys to balance things out.

[Dejounte]

Lonnie is not like Kyle Anderson where his potential is capped by his physical ability. There's still a few directions where Lonnie can take his game to, if he's smart enough to pull it off.

Mental ability is easier to overcome than physical.

[exstatic]

I like 4/15 per with incentives for 6MOTY or even All Defense.

Are you saying 4 years, $15 per year, or 4yrs, $15M total?

[MultiTroll]

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I can make up profiles on Spurstalk.

[DAF86]

Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

Also, no homo but, with DJ and Luka the Spurs' popularity among the ladies will increase exponentially. :lol

[Dejounte]

Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

Also, no homo but, with DJ and Luka the Spurs' popularity among the ladies will increase exponentially. :lol

Samanic is a heartthrob. Speaking of throb, exactly what's happening in my pants right now...

[J_Paco]

Lonnie is not like Kyle Anderson where his potential is capped by his physical ability. There's still a few directions where Lonnie can take his game to, if he's smart enough to pull it off.

Mental ability is easier to overcome than physical.

Yeah, Lonnie is an enigma. Will he be the next Zach LaVine (looking less and less likely), Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford (handles aren't strong enough), Alec Burks, Jeremy Lamb or a flame out/bust?

I'm hoping for the Clarkson or Crawford tier (6THMOY level) and not a guy that shows glimpses but never reaches that level (Burks & Lamb).

And his advanced metrics have been complete dogshit, shows that he still has a lot to learn/improve on and maybe needs his role adjusted further to have positive impact.

[gambit1990]

everyone acting like i didn’t already post this :lol

you're missing the point of this thread. spurs could end this season with the best record in the division and my point would still stand.

this thread is about the future, future. not weeks or months. spurs need to do what OKC did and move their vets. especially instead of letting them walk for nothing.

spurs move demar, la, rudy for the right assets and i take this thread back.

[buttsR4rebounding]

538 did a draft analysis based on difference of expected WAR for a draft slot to actual performance. The Spurs ranked #3 since 2010 behind the Nuggets (Jokic at 41) and the Pacers.

Draft Track Record Since 2010
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Team Draft Value vs. Expectation Best Pick Worst Pick
Nuggets +32.1 Nikola Jokic (41) Emmanuel Mudiay (7)
Pacers +25.9 Paul George (10) T.J. Leaf (18)
Spurs +24.0 Kawhi Leonard (15) Lonnie Walker (18)
Pistons +22.4 Khris Middleton (39) Stanley Johnson (8)
Rockets +19.0 Chandler Parsons (38) Terrence Jones (18)
Raptors +18.1 Pascal Siakam (20) Bruno Caboclo (20)
Warriors +16.9 Draymond Green (35) Ekpe Udoh (6)
Heat +16.0 Josh Richardson (40) Norris Cole (28)
Jazz +14.5 Rudy Gobert (27) Enes Kanter (3)
Pelicans +5.1 Anthony Davis (1) Austin Rivers (10)

They rated Lonnie as the Spurs worst draft choice in the last 10 years.

[Sugus]

everyone acting like i didn’t already post this :lol

No, it's you who doesn't understand, tbh. Your thread post is that Spurs have the worst future in their division - yet you think moving a couple of vets is going to net them enough assets to change that (false) fact? How much do you even expect to get out of the vets, tbh? I'd say in a best case scenario, they all return 4 mid-to-late FRP, which is nice but not franchise-changing by any means. Your premise was stupid, and trying to derail the original statement of the thread with another equally head-scratching hypothetical isn't any better.

So yeah, this thread's probably getting bumped for a while.

[Dex]

This thread is aging well.

[Seventyniner]

This thread has the worst future in its forum.

[talkspurs]

Lonnie is not like Kyle Anderson where his potential is capped by his physical ability. There's still a few directions where Lonnie can take his game to, if he's smart enough to pull it off.

Mental ability is easier to overcome than physical.

I disagree mental is very hard to overcome. KA is a smart player and could make up for some of his physical problems because of it. Also mental can creep back in as opposed to if you overcome physical it is harder to lose. so do you ever really overcome mental?

I also think people are wanting to pay Lonnie to much on here. some are even saying give him the extension to see if he pans out. Your going to give someone (10-15 mil) what most have been posting to see if a player pans out? This or signing a max player this is not a max player is a good way to end up in cap trouble.

[gambit1990]

No, it's you who doesn't understand, tbh. Your thread post is that Spurs have the worst future in their division - yet you think moving a couple of vets is going to net them enough assets to change that (false) fact? How much do you even expect to get out of the vets, tbh? I'd say in a best case scenario, they all return 4 mid-to-late FRP, which is nice but not franchise-changing by any means. Your premise was stupid, and trying to derail the original statement of the thread with another equally head-scratching hypothetical isn't any better.

So yeah, this thread's probably getting bumped for a while.
this thread has always been about moving the vets. that why's why i mentioned them in the first post :lol

this is what i've always thought: the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + whatever they get for demar, la, rudy > the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + getting nothing for demar, la, rudy

[XDT76]

this thread has always been about moving the vets. that why's why i mentioned them in the first post :lol

this is what i've always thought: the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + whatever they get for demar, la, rudy > the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + getting nothing for demar, la, rudy

Is getting Blake Griffen for DDR and Rudy Gay better for the Spurs than letting their contract expire and sign a FA of the Spurs choice with Cap to extend their own youngsters? Also how does this relate to other teams in the division

[Sugus]

this thread has always been about moving the vets. that why's why i mentioned them in the first post :lol

this is what i've always thought: the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + whatever they get for demar, la, rudy > the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + getting nothing for demar, la, rudy

You should think about making less sensationalistic titles for your threads, then, might've gotten a better result.

Secondly, and you can disagree with me here, but you're missing the opportunity cost of letting the vets stay on the team to help mentor and coach the young players. Once again, what's your best case scenario in a trade for the vets? They're not bringing more than 2 late FRP's in the best of scenarios, realistically, so the Spurs are perfectly well served by keeping them instead of having to draft yet another middling talent who might someday turn into a useful piece. There's absolutely a point where you can have too many prospects to develop, but only one ball; and likewise, a team filled with only young players is destined to fail, with no veteran wisdom to guide them and no hierarchical structure in the locker room due to all the youngings trying to alpha-male the situations.

There's a lot of scenarios where the Spurs' future is better by keeping these vets. Hell, we're seeing right now the positive effects that they have on Murray, Keldon, Luka. Hell, I'd say that right now, there's a better chance of the Spurs re-signing DeRozan, than there is of them trading away one of the vets... Might want to brace for impact :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

as if spurs' future depends on d white, d murray, and kj :rolleyes:rolleyes

this thread is about trading the vets :)

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Nah, it probably doesn't. It likely depends on who they get with their eventual lottery picks. It definitely isn't going to depend on dumping guys this year though.

lmao here's SpursTalk's resident B-T-M.

That's right! B-T-M: Bad Take Machine!

[DAF86]

538 did a draft analysis based on difference of expected WAR for a draft slot to actual performance. The Spurs ranked #3 since 2010 behind the Nuggets (Jokic at 41) and the Pacers.

Draft Track Record Since 2010
Display
10
rows
Team Draft Value vs. Expectation Best Pick Worst Pick
Nuggets +32.1 Nikola Jokic (41) Emmanuel Mudiay (7)
Pacers +25.9 Paul George (10) T.J. Leaf (18)
Spurs +24.0 Kawhi Leonard (15) Lonnie Walker (18)
Pistons +22.4 Khris Middleton (39) Stanley Johnson (8)
Rockets +19.0 Chandler Parsons (38) Terrence Jones (18)
Raptors +18.1 Pascal Siakam (20) Bruno Caboclo (20)
Warriors +16.9 Draymond Green (35) Ekpe Udoh (6)
Heat +16.0 Josh Richardson (40) Norris Cole (28)
Jazz +14.5 Rudy Gobert (27) Enes Kanter (3)
Pelicans +5.1 Anthony Davis (1) Austin Rivers (10)

They rated Lonnie as the Spurs worst draft choice in the last 10 years.

That's a weird ass choice considering he became a rotation player pretty early on his career. For example, Samanic (up to this point) is objectively a worse pick than Lonnie. Picked just 1 position later and still can't crack rotation minutes.

Do you know what criteria did they use?

[buttsR4rebounding]

That's a weird ass choice considering he became a rotation player pretty early on his career. For example, Samanic (up to this point) is objectively a worse pick than Lonnie. Picked just 1 position later and still can't crack rotation minutes.

Do you know what criteria did they use?

They use the cumulative WAR for their first contract (4 years). So players that break out in their 5th year wouldn't see the benefit; likewise a player that under performs for 2 years (Lonnie) would be more likely to be worse than a player that underperforms for 1 year (Luka).

[exstatic]

That's a weird ass choice considering he became a rotation player pretty early on his career. For example, Samanic (up to this point) is objectively a worse pick than Lonnie. Picked just 1 position later and still can't crack rotation minutes.

Do you know what criteria did they use?

If I had to guess, it might be actual NBA production. Luka rotted on the bench all year last year, but after the Spurs were eliminated from the playoffs, he played starter/rotation minutes in the last game, and dropped 16/8 with 3 three pointers.

[cjw]

If I had to guess, it might be actual NBA production. Luka rotted on the bench all year last year, but after the Spurs were eliminated from the playoffs, he played starter/rotation minutes in the last game, and dropped 16/8 with 3 three pointers.

Considering the Spurs have had a few firsts never play in the NBA (LJC and Nikola) it has to be based on actual NBA production? I always take all 538 things with a grain of salt - good work, but some holes. Also don’t understand it if based on actual NBA production as Anderson was technically picked ten years ago and injuries messed up development. Can’t penalize Spurs for that. They must adjust for that. Unbelievable track record all things considered, and really no complete whiffs in the entire Duncan era outside of the guys who never played.

[KingKev]

I really think it is time to explore trades for Walker IV if bringing back DDR is the intent (which is looking more likely).

a 5 player rotation at the 1-3 of DJ/DDR/Keldon White/Vassel with Tre playing spot minutes or getting the show with injuries makes sense to me. Walker could be used towards the addition of a backup big wing who can play the 4 or just a a true 4/5.

[tbdog]

I really think it is time to explore trades for Walker IV if bringing back DDR is the intent (which is looking more likely).

a 5 player rotation at the 1-3 of DJ/DDR/Keldon White/Vassel with Tre playing spot minutes or getting the show with injuries makes sense to me. Walker could be used towards the addition of a backup big wing who can play the 4 or just a a true 4/5.

Keep in mind, Mills could go this off season. That's 20 mins to make up. Walker and Vassel as your backup wings is a good start.

[Chinook]

lmao here's SpursTalk's resident B-T-M.

That's right! B-T-M: Bad Take Machine!

I know you use most of your few posts to nip at my heels ineffectually nowadays, but you do realize that that take aged well, right? Like hate me if you want, but if you're going to obsess over my posts to the point of bumping a post I made weeks ago, at least try to read them first.

[PrimeMinister]

iT wAs aBoUt tRaDiNg tHe VeTs

What a pathetic backpedal. Own your shit take and hold your place in ST lore with some sort of dignity.

[Dejounte]

iT wAs aBoUt tRaDiNg tHe VeTs

What a pathetic backpedal. Own your shit take and hold your place in ST lore with some sort of dignity.

The guy was never serious about it. He only posts bullshit like that to rile people up. I've never seen him exhibit any type of knowledge about the current Spurs outside of the names of the players on the roster.

[K...]

. Player development is also limited by time and staff. So having a glut of guaranteed salary talent would actually ruin the team and lead to them becoming an Orlando or sacramento. I'm actually very pessimistic about OKC. They've traded all their talent, so players will get the mindset " i must get good enough to leave this team". The Spurs have had a few disgruntled players, but i think the current team will mostly stick (so far Murray, poertle, and White have extended their contacts)

Having derozan and lMA is luxury that is finally paying dividends. It's literally unprecedented for the Spurs to be this young.

[exstatic]

iT wAs aBoUt tRaDiNg tHe VeTs

What a pathetic backpedal. Own your shit take and hold your place in ST lore with some sort of dignity.

Exactly. Haven’t seen this much backpedaling, spin, and gaslighting since Trump left office.

[Dejounte]

Exactly. Haven’t seen this much backpedaling, spin, and gaslighting since Trump left office.

Gregg Abbott? Ted Cruz?

[exstatic]

Gregg Abbott? Ted Cruz?

Rank amateurs when put up against gambit.

[Seventyniner]

Rank amateurs when put up against gambit.

BUg2cp23rGE

[Teamduncan21]

this thread has always been about moving the vets. that why's why i mentioned them in the first post :lol

this is what i've always thought: the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + whatever they get for demar, la, rudy > the spurs future with white, murray, KJ + getting nothing for demar, la, rudy

That's not going to make the team not worst future in our division unless the picks are really high or we ended getting a really good pick

[gambit1990]

iT wAs aBoUt tRaDiNg tHe VeTs

What a pathetic backpedal. Own your shit take and hold your place in ST lore with some sort of dignity.

The guy was never serious about it. He only posts bullshit like that to rile people up. I've never seen him exhibit any type of knowledge about the current Spurs outside of the names of the players on the roster.

Exactly. Haven’t seen this much backpedaling, spin, and gaslighting since Trump left office.
i'm not back-peddling.

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

[gambit1990]

the funniest thing about this thread is all the "this thread aged well", etc. :lmao

bro, the rockets have four 1st round draft picks :lol i never said the spurs will finish last in the division this year.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

the funniest thing about this thread is all the "this thread aged well", etc. :lmao

bro, the rockets have four 1st round draft picks :lol i never said the spurs will finish last in the division this year.

4 picks? Their own is likely going to OKC unless it's top 4. If not they'll owe them another one. They're not getting the Detroit pick as it's lottery protected. The pick they have incoming is the Portland lottery protected one. And the worst pick out of their own, OKC's and Miami's.

[gambit1990]

4 picks? Their own is likely going to OKC unless it's top 4. If not they'll owe them another one. They're not getting the Detroit pick as it's lottery protected. The pick they have incoming is the Portland lottery protected one. And the worst pick out of their own, OKC's and Miami's.
they have four unprotected 1st round picks from the james harden trade.

my point being that everyone is acting like the spurs are better than the rockets today (no shît :lol) and therefore this thread is invalid.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

they have four unprotected 1st round picks from the james harden trade.

my point being that everyone is acting like the spurs are better than the rockets today (no shît :lol) and therefore this thread is invalid.

So 4 29th picks then. They better hope they draft as well as the Spurs have.

[gambit1990]

So 4 29th picks then. They better hope they draft as well as the Spurs have.
they may not be high picks but white and murray were both selected at #29.

[gambit1990]

this thread is about trading the vets :)
:lmao :lmao

i was mocking chinook.

d white, d murray, and kj were all 1st round picks, so yeah, this thread alway been about trading the vets :lol picks are what i want for spurs.

[rastaspur]

they have four unprotected 1st round picks from the james harden trade.

my point being that everyone is acting like the spurs are better than the rockets today (no shît :lol) and therefore this thread is invalid.

Why the whataboutism with what the rockets got for harden?

Aldridge couldn't net Jackie moon and a washing machine in a trade, much less first round picks.

Magic bean/mouthbreather thinking......... like trading Puerto Rico for greenland..... nuking hurricanes, etc

[gambit1990]

Why the whataboutism with what the rockets got for harden?
um... i brought up what the rockets got for harden because the words 'future' and 'division' are in the tîtle of the thread :lol

[rastaspur]

um... i brought up what the rockets got for harden because the words 'future' and 'division' are in the tîtle of the thread :lol

Bringing it up to imply that the spurs are missing out on an opportunity to cash in on its vets via trade.

No one wants aldridge. Clearly. That's a non starter.

You might get a late first at best for demar and have to take back alot of salary.

Rudy might net you a little bit.

None of which are stars/game changers.

Apples to oranges........

The one undeniable truth that comes from this thread is you're a horrible predictor of talent and will say and do anything to backtrack and cover said shit take.

Here's some solid advice - take the loss like a real man would.

[gambit1990]

Bringing it up to imply that the spurs are missing out on an opportunity to cash in on its vets via trade.
yes.


No one wants aldridge. Clearly. That's a non starter.

You might get a late first at best for demar and have to take back alot of salary.

Rudy might net you a little bit.

None of which are stars/game changers.
um... you have no idea who a spurs draft pick may turn into. white and murray were both selected #29.


The one undeniable truth that comes from this thread is you're a horrible predictor of talent and will say and do anything to backtrack and cover said shit take.

Here's some solid advice - take the loss like a real man would.
i'm not backtracking:

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

[gambit1990]

now y'all got me hoping the spurs don't make a trade :lol just to show y'all how right i am.

the rockets odds of getting the #1 pick are (currently) just as high as minnesota's and detroit's BTW.

[DeRozan m8]

now y'all got me hoping the spurs don't make a trade :lol just to show y'all how right i am.

the rockets odds of getting the #1 pick are (currently) just as high as minnesota's and detroit's BTW.

No one cares, faggot

Your shitty team is as close to a chip as we are...except we don't post on your forum...because your team is irrelevant

[DavidTheGoliath]

now y'all got me hoping the spurs don't make a trade :lol just to show y'all how right i am.

the rockets odds of getting the #1 pick are (currently) just as high as minnesota's and detroit's BTW.

oh so having top 5 draft picks will guarantee the spurs better future than the rest of the division?
rockets next year will be better than the spurs if they landed the number 1 pick?

hey how bout we check in the top 2 draftees this year.... warriors with eliancito, donkey and wiseman, where are they now?
heres a better one, wolves with KAT d angelo and top draft pick edwards... future sure looks good :lol

[gambit1990]

Your shitty team is as close to a chip as we are...except we don't post on your forum...because your team is irrelevant
raps aren't my team, knock them all you want idc.

[gambit1990]

but i like how you call the raps shîtty and put the spurs on the same level as them :lol you're not wrong in that respect. which is why the spurs should move the vets, thanks for proving my point :lmao

[gambit1990]

mavs and grizz only two losses behind the spurs.

y'all got lucky the spurs and la agreed to move on.

[Teamduncan21]

:lmao :lmao

i was mocking chinook.

d white, d murray, and kj were all 1st round picks, so yeah, this thread alway been about trading the vets :lol picks are what i want for spurs.


Wait. So rockets will use their picks to draft a keldon murray white level players therefore they have a better future?

[MultiTroll]

CIA Popped may retire after aggrandizing all he can in the Olympics.

Spurs improvement will be immediate.

[gambit1990]

Wait. So rockets will use their picks to draft a keldon murray white level players therefore they have a better future?
chinook was acting like 1st round picks don't matter. and then i brought up spurs players that were drafted in the 1st round.

to answer your question: the rockets probability of landing the #1 pick is as high as the two other worst teams in the league. they also have wood, a couple trade chips, and four future 1st round picks from the harden trade.

that is a brighter future than the spurs have if the spurs don't make a trade this year.

[gambit1990]

This one did age well at ALL.

It’s time to close this thread

Should have been closed the moment it was posted
:lol

[gambit1990]

:wakeup

[gambit1990]

this thread is getting worse and worse by the day :lmao
the spurs future is so bright that la doesn't wanna be a part of it.

[ECOV]

:soapbox:
the spurs future is so bright that la doesn't wanna be a part of it.

[C-Dub]

Spurs may have to resign DDR if the young guys don't figure it out by the end of this season. They're still developing and learning. See if DDR will agree to a 3 year deal and try and bring in an under 30 year old PF/C that can make this team a liable playoff contender for the next 3 seasons while the young core continue to grow and get. By then if a few things breaks the Spurs way, Spurs could be ready to challenge for the Championship. By then LBJ, Kawhi, Steph, KD, Harden, etc will be near the end of their primes

[Mal]

Spurs may have to resign DDR if the young guys don't figure it out by the end of this season. They're still developing and learning. See if DDR will agree to a 3 year deal and try and bring in an under 30 year old PF/C that can make this team a liable playoff contender for the next 3 seasons while the young core continue to grow and get. By then if a few things breaks the Spurs way, Spurs could be ready to challenge for the Championship. By then LBJ, Kawhi, Steph, KD, Harden, etc will be near the end of their primes

They have to overpay guy like John Collins, get rid of Mills, Gay. Think of trading Lonnie.

[BatManu20]

DDR ain’t sticking around with this team unless we offer the Max of something near it :lol. That’s the only way he considers staying in SA imo.

[TheGreatYacht]

Huge props to OP for seeing the vision before anyone else tbh. I still believe in our young guards, but there’s only so much they can while behind crippled by a worse version of Jerry Sloan with Parkinson’s.

Free Lonnie to an actual NBA Coach.

[BatManu20]

This team is in need of a top-end talent badly. This would be a great year to have the top pick in the draft. Cade Cunningham is legit and is gonna be a perennial All-Star in this league imo. And his #2 jersey is available with us. If only tbh.

[B1gduff]

Damn where were these loser at when we were winning?

All of a sudden, we lose 5 player to covid, than our best player missed a few games and we're shit?

[DavidTheGoliath]

the spurs future is so bright that la doesn't wanna be a part of it.

la... and future... lmao

[XDT76]

Damn where were these loser at when we were winning?

All of a sudden, we lose 5 player to covid, than our best player missed a few games and we're shit?

Sometimes you really wonder whether these posters are Spurs fan by the way they comments they would still be miserable if Spurs win a championships bcos their take is wrong. They simply appear just to celebrate Spurs losses

[Dejounte]

Sometimes you really wonder whether these posters are Spurs fan by the way they comments they would still be miserable if Spurs win a championships bcos their take is wrong. They simply appear just to celebrate Spurs losses

Some have been doing this for over ten years :lmao

They're really playing themselves so there's really no need to respond to it.

[EasyMoney]

The Houston rockets are on a 16 game losing streak.

[cd98]

Spurs are doing what they need to do. They are being competitive, but still losing slowly. The roster is not bottom 3. But they will likely not make the playoffs, especially after the brutal schedule and that is a good thing for the Spurs. They have young talent, but no superstars other than whatever level of greatness DDR is. So they need to draft a special player that can get them over the top and the easiest way to get that is in the lottery.

[gambit1990]

The Houston rockets are on a 16 game losing streak.
yeah, that helps my case:

the rockets odds of getting the #1 pick are (currently) just as high as minnesota's and detroit's BTW.

[GreekSpursfan]

This team is in need of a top-end talent badly. This would be a great year to have the top pick in the draft. Cade Cunningham is legit and is gonna be a perennial All-Star in this league imo. And his #2 jersey is available with us. If only tbh.

This tbh. I've been saying it for a while now.

[cd98]

I actually thought letting LMA go was part of the tanking process. But we really need to let DDR go. I like DDR and I enjoy his game. Even if he isn't clutch like we want him to be, he has great moves to the hoop and a great midrange and he is entertaining to watch from just a basketball perspective without factoring in wins and losses. He's not a number one, but he's too good to play and not make the high end of the lottery or the lower seed of the playoffs. Ultimately, we won't start a true rebuild until he is traded or leaves in free agency.

That said, the Spurs are doing a good job of compiling talent that makes for the possibility of a superstar trade. The problem is that Pop will retire sooner rather than later and I don't see the Spurs being a destination once he's gone. Not that he is a magnet, but at least he is known throughout the league as a great coach that is a player coach that players respect. Once he's gone, there is nothing that would draw people to want to come to SA. And I say that and I'm not the greatest Pop fan at all, but he is a magnet if we have one because he has won titles.

[gambit1990]

I actually thought letting LMA go was part of the tanking process. But we really need to let DDR go. I like DDR and I enjoy his game. Even if he isn't clutch like we want him to be, he has great moves to the hoop and a great midrange and he is entertaining to watch from just a basketball perspective without factoring in wins and losses. He's not a number one, but he's too good to play and not make the high end of the lottery or the lower seed of the playoffs. Ultimately, we won't start a true rebuild until he is traded or leaves in free agency.
:tu

[RD2191]

OP dropping truth nukes, owning ST homers per usual.

[RD2191]

Some have been doing this for over ten years :lmao

They're really playing themselves so there's really no need to respond to it.
2018 but you know they've been doing it for 10 years? Post on your main, faggot.

[gambit1990]

It’s funny, but OP bragged on coming in here often, but he’s on the side of a milk carton for a while now.
the people on the milk carton are the posters like you.

[gambit1990]

so far.

imagine if they just let la and demar walk for nothing :lmao

[TD 21]

You mean you're not sold on the cavalcade of youth that offers a pathetically low amount of 3-point shooting and shot creation/play making? It must be because you like to whine, troll, etc.

[Robz4000]

The San Antonio Spurs have the worst future because they'll be nonexistent in 5-10 years.

[Sugus]

OP still bumping this thread as if he's right, without explaining how the future of the Spurs franchise hinges on the at-best late 1RP to be gotten out of any deals for the vets, and also not explaining why Houston's (who btw got thoroughly fucked in today's Oladipo trade :lol) picks are inherently more valuable than the Spurs', who have 4+FRP as well.... :wakeup

And wasn't this "prediction" for the "far off future, not just this season", tbh? At least don't make the backpedaling so evident, and wait a little more between bumps :lmao

[gambit1990]

The San Antonio Spurs have the worst future because they'll be nonexistent in 5-10 years.
would not surprise me at all tbh.

[gambit1990]

And wasn't this "prediction" for the "far off future, not just this season", tbh? At least don't make the backpedaling so evident, and wait a little more between bumps :lmao
this thread is about the future.

i'm bumping it now because despite the spurs trying their best this season, they're almost behind the mavs and grizzlies in the standings. that's how bad things are.

[Sugus]

this thread is about the future.

i'm bumping it now because despite the spurs trying their best this season, they're almost behind the mavs and grizzlies in the standings. that's how bad things are.

Nice missing the questions on my post, which you can't answer without putting to light how beyond stupid this thread is..... But ok.

[gambit1990]

Nice missing the questions on my post, which you can't answer without putting to light how beyond stupid this thread is..... But ok.
iirc, you're too good of a poster to need me to spell everything out for you.

i already said, the rockets are as close to anyone to getting cade cunningham ---> http://www.tankathon.com

[Trill Clinton]

Spurs fans begging Kawhi to come back in the offseason.

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[gambit1990]

also, i never said the spurs future hinges on moving la + demar.

team is trash even with both of them healthy and playing. the whole point was that the spurs need AS MUCH HELP as they can get going forward. and guess what happened, they missed the boat.

[Sugus]

iirc, you're too good of a poster to need me to spell everything out for you.

i already said, the rockets are as close to anyone to getting cade cunningham ---> http://www.tankathon.com

I'm too good of a poster for you to bullshit me around with non-answers, too ;)

And the Rockettes tanking their way into Cade is absolutely irrelevant, and further speaks to how stupid this thread is: just as expected, their own pick(s) will probably end up being their best asset during the rebuild, just like they could/will be for the Spurs once they kick that can. Sure doesn't sound like they're planning on building around one of those late FRPs that make them have "a better future" than us...

But it also made me think of the sleek genius of the thread: since you didn't set up a goal to be achieved that would prove in fact which team ended up having the clear cut best future, you can bump this and move the goalpost for all eternity, since you'll forever have the alibi of "b-b-but this thread was for the future, future!!" and, barring an unlikely Spurs championship in the next few years, you'll always have that rhetorical wiggle room.

So, cheers, I guess. Just try not to bump the thread too much, it gets stale after a while.

[gambit1990]

I'm too good of a poster for you to bullshit me around with non-answers, too ;)
i answered in the post above.

[gambit1990]

this is the sad truth about ST:
i point out that spurs should trade the vets ---> people jump on my neck ---> then it turns out those vets wanted out too :lol

even if demar / lyles rumors were false... having those two on the floor and trying to be "good" if a fücking joke.

[K...]

this is the sad truth about ST:
i point out that spurs should trade the vets ---> people jump on my neck ---> then it turns out those vets wanted out too :lol

even if demar / lyles rumors were false... having those two on the floor and trying to be "good" if a fücking joke.

No you're operating under bad faith rules where the teams trades always work out. Trades require both mutual asent and salary requirements. The whole thread is "imagine we had better players" without naming names. The reality is that the spurs wouldn't get back players better than lma and derozan and the picks wouldn't be franchise altering. We have like 7 first round picks on the team. Would we be better with 9?

[gambit1990]

No you're operating under bad faith rules where the teams trades always work out. Trades require both mutual asent and salary requirements. The whole thread is "imagine we had better players" without naming names. The reality is that the spurs wouldn't get back players better than lma and derozan and the picks wouldn't be franchise altering. We have like 7 first round picks on the team. Would we be better with 9?
ugh.


the whole point was that the spurs need AS MUCH HELP as they can get going forward. and guess what happened, they missed the boat.





We have like 7 first round picks on the team. Would we be better with 9?
absolutely. it's called having more assets :lmao

9 > 7 if you didn't know

[gambit1990]

For real though the Pelicans look like trash without a lot of ways to fix their problems.

could say that about the spurs too tbh.

[Dverde]

Pelicants rubbing some players raw according to JJ Redick...

JJ Redick not holding back on his podcast. On the Pelicans' front office:"I don't think you're going to get honesty from that front office, just objectively speaking - that's not an opinion. I don't think what happened with me is an isolated incident “

"I don't expect the agents who worked with me to ever trust that front office again"

[KobesAchilles]

Dude is in his 15th year. He should know the game by now. Scrubs hardly have a say in where they get traded. This doesn’t hurt NO in any way

[tbdog]

Dude is in his 15th year. He should know the game by now. Scrubs hardly have a say in where they get traded. This doesn’t hurt NO in any way

On another topic, surely Celtics aggressive trading of their players will have plenty of signees second guess them.

[KobesAchilles]

On another topic, surely Celtics aggressive trading of their players will have plenty of signees second guess them.
Yeah Ainge looks like shit right now. Dude traded away everyone and their mom. Both Kyrie and Gordon left. Kemba looks like a shell of himself. That right there is what is killing them. Kemba was a bad contract with CHA and even worse in Boston. Can’t have a player shooting percentage the same as his contract value :lol

[gambit1990]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyLG9t3WEAUdv7m?format=jpg&name=small

[gambit1990]

RIP spurs1990


Somehow someway despite the jeckyl Hyde season the Spurs are winning the division after this Boston win

https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg
https://media3.giphy.com/media/WRp58hy5gmfjpMzHAZ/200.gif

[spurs10]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyLG9t3WEAUdv7m?format=jpg&name=small #9,#9,#9, #9

[KobesAchilles]

I mean you look around and you see Luka who is a generational talent and a franchise player. You see Ja Morant is becoming better and better and his pairing with JJJ looks really good for Memphis' future. Then you look at Zion and see him dropping like 26 a game on 68% shooting and looking more and more like a franchise player. Houston doing a proper tank job to maybe get their guy going forward.

And then there's us with no all-star, no franchise player, and no good draft pick to boot. We are also benching our youngsters for vets for no reason. Wtf are we even doing? But if you point that out, then you get laughed at and called dumb in the beginning of the thread... only to be proven right :lol

[gambit1990]

This thread will be good for many bumps. No, the Spurs don’t have a top two like Luka/KP, Zion/Ingram or Ja/JJJ. But the depth, flexibility and upside the Spurs trot out is outstanding and should keep them competitive with those teams.
:toast

[gambit1990]

pelicans beat the 76ers, only three losses behind the spurs now.

[Thomas82]

pelicans beat the 76ers, only three losses behind the spurs now.

Too bad the Warriors couldn't pull it out tonight.

[BatManu20]

Warriors secretly tanking. Kerr pulling Curry for long spurts in the 2nd half, and right after the warriors came back and tied in the 4th. Then put him in the last couple minutes to cover.


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[KobesAchilles]

Imagine a 20 year old giving you 37 points, 15 rebounds, and 8 assists and not thinking this guy is gonna be a franchise player. Typical Spurstalk :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Dallas has a 22 year old putting up 28points 9 assists and 8 rebounds.
NO has a 20 year old giving them 26 points on 62% shooting. They are even starting to play him now as a point forward and he put up 28, 15, and 8 on his first try in a win.
Memphis has a young stud in Ja Morant and even with their second best player injured all year, they have a better record than us.
We better hope that Houston chooses the wrong guy in the draft and he is a bust (which is totally possible) bc if they get another young star like everyone besides the Spurs have, that puts us in the bottom future wise going forward.

We have a buncha c and B- players going forward. Spurs fans be wearing shades with how bright our future is going forward once we draft Devin Vassell 0.2 in this year's draft.

[K...]

So much off this thread is "why won't the spurs rebuild as fast as i want".

The team was built around derozan and this draft will be the first post all star talent we have. We'll find out how much they really like murray.

This team can tank plenty next year. If our b and c players upgrade year by year then there's no urgency. The team has the most to lose from mediocracy.

[Sugus]

Dallas has a 22 year old putting up 28points 9 assists and 8 rebounds.
NO has a 20 year old giving them 26 points on 62% shooting. They are even starting to play him now as a point forward and he put up 28, 15, and 8 on his first try in a win.
Memphis has a young stud in Ja Morant and even with their second best player injured all year, they have a better record than us.
We better hope that Houston chooses the wrong guy in the draft and he is a bust (which is totally possible) bc if they get another young star like everyone besides the Spurs have, that puts us in the bottom future wise going forward.

We have a buncha c and B- players going forward. Spurs fans be wearing shades with how bright our future is going forward once we draft Devin Vassell 0.2 in this year's draft.

This is such a stupid, spur-of-the-moment way to look at things, and it's really pervasive here in SpursTalk, perhaps because it allows posters to continue shitting on the team.

Yes, Dallas has a franchise player in Doncic. Zion's looking mighty good. Ja is great as well (though I'm lower on him than Luka/Zion). There's other franchises you haven't named, like Atlanta, that also have more promising-looking players than are on the Spurs' roster right now. But how did those franchises come to get those players? How many years of sucking, whiffing on prospects, blatant tanking, or flat-out sucking did it take for those teams to get those players? Dallas hasn't done shit in the playoffs since '11, and had to wait out Dirk's twilight years before taking to the bottom (and getting extremely lucky with stupid FOs in ATL, PHX and SAC) to draft Luka. But at least they managed to win a title with their last star.... Pelicans and Grizzlies have been sucking ever since their inception. Between both teams, they literally only have 1 DIVISION title, Pels' from 2008, after which it's been losing season after losing season, even after getting a franchise talent in AD.

Stop looking at the small picture. The Spurs were winning titles more recently than some of these shitty teams were making the playoffs! We're riding Pop's twilight years now. For worse or worse-r, he's earned the right to retire in his own terms, and the FO/ownership clearly agrees. Once he's gone, we'll maybe suck, draft higher, and see what comes of it. The sky isn't falling because we don't have that talent right this second - what's the hurry? Teams draft high-level prospects every year, and incompetent FOs squander away those opportunities every year as well. It's incredibly stupid to say X or Y team has an outright better future than the Spurs (which is my entire gripe with this thread, not with you particularly, my guy) just because they have a better talent on their team, because it takes SO MUCH MORE than that single talent to actually win a championship, which is every team's end goal at the end of the day, not talent accumulation.

Once again: the Spurs have won titles more recently than any of these teams that "has a better future" and, contrary to popular belief, it was not due to top-end star talent alone, or even mainly (especially given a title run as special and collective as '14). And due to this, I feel confident in saying the Spurs have a better chance of ringing again before these other teams, too. Stop being preys of the moment.

[vy65]

This is such a stupid, spur-of-the-moment way to look at things, and it's really pervasive here in SpursTalk, perhaps because it allows posters to continue shitting on the team.

Yes, Dallas has a franchise player in Doncic. Zion's looking mighty good. Ja is great as well (though I'm lower on him than Luka/Zion). There's other franchises you haven't named, like Atlanta, that also have more promising-looking players than are on the Spurs' roster right now. But how did those franchises come to get those players? How many years of sucking, whiffing on prospects, blatant tanking, or flat-out sucking did it take for those teams to get those players? Dallas hasn't done shit in the playoffs since '11, and had to wait out Dirk's twilight years before taking to the bottom (and getting extremely lucky with stupid FOs in ATL, PHX and SAC) to draft Luka. But at least they managed to win a title with their last star.... Pelicans and Grizzlies have been sucking ever since their inception. Between both teams, they literally only have 1 DIVISION title, Pels' from 2008, after which it's been losing season after losing season, even after getting a franchise talent in AD.

Stop looking at the small picture. The Spurs were winning titles more recently than some of these shitty teams were making the playoffs! We're riding Pop's twilight years now. For worse or worse-r, he's earned the right to retire in his own terms, and the FO/ownership clearly agrees. Once he's gone, we'll maybe suck, draft higher, and see what comes of it. The sky isn't falling because we don't have that talent right this second - what's the hurry? Teams draft high-level prospects every year, and incompetent FOs squander away those opportunities every year as well. It's incredibly stupid to say X or Y team has an outright better future than the Spurs (which is my entire gripe with this thread, not with you particularly, my guy) just because they have a better talent on their team, because it takes SO MUCH MORE than that single talent to actually win a championship, which is every team's end goal at the end of the day, not talent accumulation.

Once again: the Spurs have won titles more recently than any of these teams that "has a better future" and, contrary to popular belief, it was not due to top-end star talent alone, or even mainly (especially given a title run as special and collective as '14). And due to this, I feel confident in saying the Spurs have a better chance of ringing again before these other teams, too. Stop being preys of the moment.

This post rivals that Jeff McDonald tweet where he said something like “the Spurs have won enough, let someone else have their turn.”

[KobesAchilles]

This is such a stupid, spur-of-the-moment way to look at things, and it's really pervasive here in SpursTalk, perhaps because it allows posters to continue shitting on the team.

Yes, Dallas has a franchise player in Doncic. Zion's looking mighty good. Ja is great as well (though I'm lower on him than Luka/Zion). There's other franchises you haven't named, like Atlanta, that also have more promising-looking players than are on the Spurs' roster right now. But how did those franchises come to get those players? How many years of sucking, whiffing on prospects, blatant tanking, or flat-out sucking did it take for those teams to get those players? Dallas hasn't done shit in the playoffs since '11, and had to wait out Dirk's twilight years before taking to the bottom (and getting extremely lucky with stupid FOs in ATL, PHX and SAC) to draft Luka. But at least they managed to win a title with their last star.... Pelicans and Grizzlies have been sucking ever since their inception. Between both teams, they literally only have 1 DIVISION title, Pels' from 2008, after which it's been losing season after losing season, even after getting a franchise talent in AD.

Stop looking at the small picture. The Spurs were winning titles more recently than some of these shitty teams were making the playoffs! We're riding Pop's twilight years now. For worse or worse-r, he's earned the right to retire in his own terms, and the FO/ownership clearly agrees. Once he's gone, we'll maybe suck, draft higher, and see what comes of it. The sky isn't falling because we don't have that talent right this second - what's the hurry? Teams draft high-level prospects every year, and incompetent FOs squander away those opportunities every year as well. It's incredibly stupid to say X or Y team has an outright better future than the Spurs (which is my entire gripe with this thread, not with you particularly, my guy) just because they have a better talent on their team, because it takes SO MUCH MORE than that single talent to actually win a championship, which is every team's end goal at the end of the day, not talent accumulation.

Once again: the Spurs have won titles more recently than any of these teams that "has a better future" and, contrary to popular belief, it was not due to top-end star talent alone, or even mainly (especially given a title run as special and collective as '14). And due to this, I feel confident in saying the Spurs have a better chance of ringing again before these other teams, too. Stop being preys of the moment.

Did you even look at the name of the thread you are posting in? C'mon Sugus don't be THAT guy :lol
And yes it was due to top talent alone. We had the greatest player of all time at his postion. We had Kawhi who played at an MVP level. We haven't done shit once we lost these two people. Your counterpoint in a thread about the future of our division is to bring up stuff from 2014? Might as well have brought up the 99 championship too while you are at it.

[MannyIsGod]

I still maintain that those teams will probably fuck it up. Dallas was allegedly supposed to be title contenders this year and can't even make it into the playoffs without a play in game. Memphis has a lot of talent, but same shit. Ja is great, but what happens is Ja bolts? Houston doesn't have a brighter future and somehow managed to make every single wrong move for years in order to ruin a team that had a top 3 player. NOLA has Zion who is good, but they haven't proven shit either.

I would 100% want to have Luka, Zion or Ja on this team. They are all really good prospects. But I also expect those teams except Dallas to fuck it up. Cuban knows how to keep a star, so I think they'll be fine eventually, but people have been singing Memphis praises for years and they have yet to even make the playoffs. NOLA has a track history with transcendent bigs.

[exstatic]

I still maintain that those teams will probably fuck it up. Dallas was allegedly supposed to be title contenders this year and can't even make it into the playoffs without a play in game. Memphis has a lot of talent, but same shit. Ja is great, but what happens is Ja bolts? Houston doesn't have a brighter future and somehow managed to make every single wrong move for years in order to ruin a team that had a top 3 player. NOLA has Zion who is good, but they haven't proven shit either.

I would 100% want to have Luka, Zion or Ja on this team. They are all really good prospects. But I also expect those teams except Dallas to fuck it up. Cuban knows how to keep a star, so I think they'll be fine eventually, but people have been singing Memphis praises for years and they have yet to even make the playoffs. NOLA has a track history with transcendent bigs.

Reddick is SO salty about NOLA trading him, and implied that there is anger towards the FO in their locker room. They’ll implode.

[KobesAchilles]

I still maintain that those teams will probably fuck it up. Dallas was allegedly supposed to be title contenders this year and can't even make it into the playoffs without a play in game. Memphis has a lot of talent, but same shit. Ja is great, but what happens is Ja bolts? Houston doesn't have a brighter future and somehow managed to make every single wrong move for years in order to ruin a team that had a top 3 player. NOLA has Zion who is good, but they haven't proven shit either.

I would 100% want to have Luka, Zion or Ja on this team. They are all really good prospects. But I also expect those teams except Dallas to fuck it up. Cuban knows how to keep a star, so I think they'll be fine eventually, but people have been singing Memphis praises for years and they have yet to even make the playoffs. NOLA has a track history with transcendent bigs.
Oh I agree that they will fuck it up. All of them are shitty organizations with shitty mistakes on their resume. Houston is unproven everywhere and for all I know, sucks everywhere. From owner to GM to Coach to Players.

Dallas has a history of fucking up franchise players. Like if Dirk didn't go god-mode in 2011, Cuban would have zero rings with an all-time great. Carlisle is a good coach but the GM hasn't really proven to be good at anything other than being smarter than Atlanta. Trading all those 1st rounders for Porzingas was at the time/ and still today, a dumb move. Luka isn't going to win in Dallas, but he will make a few WCFs before he leaves them at age 28.

NO has so many issues that I don't even know where to start. Tbh this makes me respect Chris Paul a heck of a lot more The dude is the Larry Brown of players where he will turn perennial losers into playoff teams. But the owner is cheap, the fans are fickle, had the wrong GM several times, and the wrong coach as well. Can David Griffin turn it around? Idk. Hiring Stan Van Gundy was a weird choice to me and I don't have much faith in him as a coach. More than likely, Stan won't work out and Zion will be wasted. Zion will get an injury bc that's what happens to players in NO, they get injured for some reason. I hope that Zion turns down his extension and goes to a contender tbh bc he isn't going to win in NO.

Memphis is another badly run organization that has hired John Hollinger before. How stupid is that. They fire good coaches, are always injured, and never make any splashes in free agency. Ja is going to get zero help in Memphis unless JJJ turns into an all-star or they draft a miracle player with like the 16th pick bc they won't pay for anybody good.

Spurs always had the advantage in players, coaches, GM, and owner. Now I feel like we are like Houston. A buncha unproven people who are potentially going to run the whole show once Pop retires. So for my man Suggs, that is what really scares me. It's not just that we don't have talent on the court. It's that we don't have talent in any part of the organization. Owner-unproven (and potentially an F bc they really pissed off Timvp with the Golden St trade), GM-unproven but has made a shit ton of mistakes, Coach (all-time the 3rd greatest) but ranges alot and seems more on the C- side than not. And once he retires (this year?) our coach will be unproven, and all of our young players are unproven as well.

[Sugus]

Did you even look at the name of the thread you are posting in? C'mon Sugus don't be THAT guy :lol
And yes it was due to top talent alone. We had the greatest player of all time at his postion. We had Kawhi who played at an MVP level. We haven't done shit once we lost these two people. Your counterpoint in a thread about the future of our division is to bring up stuff from 2014? Might as well have brought up the 99 championship too while you are at it.

Of course I did, I've posted in here many times before, saying the same thing. I disagree with the premise of the thread.

It was due to the combination of top talent, and the ability to make the most of it. I'm saying that teams who might now look to have the more promising future due to just the existence of top end talent, doesn't mean they necessarily have the better odds of winning a title, or being a contending team, in the "far far future" (as stated by the OP as being the point of the thread - again, not the "right now"). That's what I'm saying. Those teams and the Spurs are in different parts of their rebuilds, we still have a few years of waiting out to do, whether fans like it or not (unless Pop decides to retire , which imo isn't too likely).

I'll say though, that my post was worded unnecessarily impolitely and absolute-ist. I woke up to some bad news and was not on best behavior, I apologize my guy. :tu

[Sugus]

Oh I agree that they will fuck it up. All of them are shitty organizations with shitty mistakes on their resume. Houston is unproven everywhere and for all I know, sucks everywhere. From owner to GM to Coach to Players.

Then why imply they have the better future in the "far far future", tbh? Raw talent alone is worth jack shit in the hands of owners or FOs unable to build around them. It's also why it's so naive to say Timmy would have won 6+ rings in another organization - even if he alone had the talent to do it.

Spurs always had the advantage in players, coaches, GM, and owner. Now I feel like we are like Houston. A buncha unproven people who are potentially going to run the whole show once Pop retires. So for my man Suggs, that is what really scares me. It's not just that we don't have talent on the court. It's that we don't have talent in any part of the organization. Owner-unproven (and potentially an F bc they really pissed off Timvp with the Golden St trade), GM-unproven but has made a shit ton of mistakes, Coach (all-time the 3rd greatest) but ranges alot and seems more on the C- side than not. And once he retires (this year?) our coach will be unproven, and all of our young players are unproven as well.[/QUOTE]

I see, that's a better argument than the other team's talent's one. I can agree with that. I think the Spurs still have a better caliber player development program, and drafting departments, than their competition, which shows itself in that the Spurs' picks have by and large overproduced as compared to their drafting positions, especially the really late picks. That alone gives them a big edge - and it's a part of why I say you can't just look at it "right now" to say the Spurs have the worse future. They can tank next season (rumored to be another loaded class), get their #1 guy, and have already the ability of surrounding him with a very good group of young, two-way supporting cast. Suddenly the Spurs are genius... Or so we (I at least) hope, tbh. I'm feeling pretty good about the odds of winning the lottery after watching the Pels' #1 pick after losing AD :stirpot:

The coaches and FO could come and go, I'm not too sold on either Wright or Coach Becky to argue for them. But those are not the entire Spurs organization, there's a lot more people that make this a competent organization and again, as much as they're trashed in this forum, and all trolling aside, they've managed to do pretty well given the shitty circumstances of recent years and having to recover from Nephew's departure, which we're still feeling the ripples of with the LMA shit. That's why I'm higher on the Spurs' future than say, the Mavs', even if they have Luka on their team right now.

[KobesAchilles]

Then why imply they have the better future in the "far far future", tbh? Raw talent alone is worth jack shit in the hands of owners or FOs unable to build around them. It's also why it's so naive to say Timmy would have won 6+ rings in another organization - even if he alone had the talent to do it.

Spurs always had the advantage in players, coaches, GM, and owner. Now I feel like we are like Houston. A buncha unproven people who are potentially going to run the whole show once Pop retires. So for my man Suggs, that is what really scares me. It's not just that we don't have talent on the court. It's that we don't have talent in any part of the organization. Owner-unproven (and potentially an F bc they really pissed off Timvp with the Golden St trade), GM-unproven but has made a shit ton of mistakes, Coach (all-time the 3rd greatest) but ranges alot and seems more on the C- side than not. And once he retires (this year?) our coach will be unproven, and all of our young players are unproven as well.

I see, that's a better argument than the other team's talent's one. I can agree with that. I think the Spurs still have a better caliber player development program, and drafting departments, than their competition, which shows itself in that the Spurs' picks have by and large overproduced as compared to their drafting positions, especially the really late picks. That alone gives them a big edge - and it's a part of why I say you can't just look at it "right now" to say the Spurs have the worse future. They can tank next season (rumored to be another loaded class), get their #1 guy, and have already the ability of surrounding him with a very good group of young, two-way supporting cast. Suddenly the Spurs are genius... Or so we (I at least) hope, tbh. I'm feeling pretty good about the odds of winning the lottery after watching the Pels' #1 pick after losing AD :stirpot:

The coaches and FO could come and go, I'm not too sold on either Wright or Coach Becky to argue for them. But those are not the entire Spurs organization, there's a lot more people that make this a competent organization and again, as much as they're trashed in this forum, and all trolling aside, they've managed to do pretty well given the shitty circumstances of recent years and having to recover from Nephew's departure, which we're still feeling the ripples of with the LMA shit. That's why I'm higher on the Spurs' future than say, the Mavs', even if they have Luka on their team right now.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that you had bad news on your end. That's never any fun waking up to that.

I think we are going to win the lottery as well. I feel like we are due, or at the very least we get a Top 3 pick and some dumbass teams take a Lonzo and Fultz instead of a Jayson Tatum. Karma for all the times the league (Stern) screwed us over.

I just think continuity is the way to go. I know it's a rare thing to have all at once and we had lightning in a bottle for 2 decades, but after watching us butcher David Robinson's career (early on) I know how important good GMs and coaching is on players. It's why I'm so worried bc we could very easily go back to those ways. Most people don't remember Robinson having 6 coaches in 5 years and all the chaos and shittyness that was the Spurs ownership. They just know the glory days and assume it will always be that way.

btw Idgaf that we are losing and I'm all for Pop going after the record, but could we atleast CLOSE out games with our youth instead of our vets??

[the golden era]

This is such a stupid, spur-of-the-moment way to look at things, and it's really pervasive here in SpursTalk, perhaps because it allows posters to continue shitting on the team.

Yes, Dallas has a franchise player in Doncic. Zion's looking mighty good. Ja is great as well (though I'm lower on him than Luka/Zion). There's other franchises you haven't named, like Atlanta, that also have more promising-looking players than are on the Spurs' roster right now. But how did those franchises come to get those players? How many years of sucking, whiffing on prospects, blatant tanking, or flat-out sucking did it take for those teams to get those players? Dallas hasn't done shit in the playoffs since '11, and had to wait out Dirk's twilight years before taking to the bottom (and getting extremely lucky with stupid FOs in ATL, PHX and SAC) to draft Luka. But at least they managed to win a title with their last star.... Pelicans and Grizzlies have been sucking ever since their inception. Between both teams, they literally only have 1 DIVISION title, Pels' from 2008, after which it's been losing season after losing season, even after getting a franchise talent in AD.

Stop looking at the small picture. The Spurs were winning titles more recently than some of these shitty teams were making the playoffs! We're riding Pop's twilight years now. For worse or worse-r, he's earned the right to retire in his own terms, and the FO/ownership clearly agrees. Once he's gone, we'll maybe suck, draft higher, and see what comes of it. The sky isn't falling because we don't have that talent right this second - what's the hurry? Teams draft high-level prospects every year, and incompetent FOs squander away those opportunities every year as well. It's incredibly stupid to say X or Y team has an outright better future than the Spurs (which is my entire gripe with this thread, not with you particularly, my guy) just because they have a better talent on their team, because it takes SO MUCH MORE than that single talent to actually win a championship, which is every team's end goal at the end of the day, not talent accumulation.

Once again: the Spurs have won titles more recently than any of these teams that "has a better future" and, contrary to popular belief, it was not due to top-end star talent alone, or even mainly (especially given a title run as special and collective as '14). And due to this, I feel confident in saying the Spurs have a better chance of ringing again before these other teams, too. Stop being preys of the moment.

I Think this is the correct take. I am much higher on our talent that most obviously. Granted, there is no generational talent on the roster, but we are already competitive and will be so moving forward in my estimation. Vassel will be better next year, and you add in a possible additional lottery talent, the roster looks real good. There is a reason we have stood firm on our in house talent, I trust our process. I doubt we make much wave in free agency, but that is our history. LMA being the biggest fish, and leaving a bit of a foul test in our mouths probably points to no other big fish for a while, even if we were contenders. My only gripe this year has been not playing Luka more consistently, as he is part of this group and with the direction of the team deserves more minutes than Rudy really.

[Sugus]

I'm sorry that you had bad news on your end. That's never any fun waking up to that.

I think we are going to win the lottery as well. I feel like we are due, or at the very least we get a Top 3 pick and some dumbass teams take a Lonzo and Fultz instead of a Jayson Tatum. Karma for all the times the league (Stern) screwed us over.

I just think continuity is the way to go. I know it's a rare thing to have all at once and we had lightning in a bottle for 2 decades, but after watching us butcher David Robinson's career (early on) I know how important good GMs and coaching is on players. It's why I'm so worried bc we could very easily go back to those ways. Most people don't remember Robinson having 6 coaches in 5 years and all the chaos and shittyness that was the Spurs ownership. They just know the glory days and assume it will always be that way.

btw Idgaf that we are losing and I'm all for Pop going after the record, but could we atleast CLOSE out games with our youth instead of our vets??

Thanks my guy. Yeah, I'm sorry I was "that guy" for a hot sec - again, the vitriol wasn't @ you directly, but that view of "top talent alone is the only thing that makes a team's future better" really irks me for a lot of reasons, and it's somehow really prevalent in ST.

Agree on all counts, tbh, we think alike in those terms. I definitely value continuity on the roster, especially in regards to the young guys (which is partially because, despite wanting the FO to sell high on Dejounte this off-season, I'm torn up about it due to the effect it'd have in the locker room). As for the FO quality, well, that's just not something me or you can control, so I choose not to worry about it for the time being. For all the "mistakes" Wright has supposedly made so far, none of them have turned out to be catastrophic or near it (I'm talking Vlade picking Bagley over Doncic, "catastrophic", now that's a move that sets a team back decades, unlike ST hyperbole). I too have my doubts in terms of the FO's ability to eventually build around a superstar talent, despite not having lived through those Robinson "dark days" - but at the point where we have that superstar, it's probable that at least two of Pop, Wright, or RC are no longer on the Spurs - so I'm not particularly worried about that at this moment. It's the same as the coaching... I don't really trust Becky to be a top-tier coach in the league, but as far as coaching a rebuilding team for the time being, she should be just fine tbh.

As for closing out games with the veterans, that's just as inexplicable to me as it is to you. It's so bothersome to think that Pop will wait until just the moment where we slip mathematically out of the playoff pictures to actually sit the vets and play the youngings 20-30MPG..... Some games, it really does look like he's stealth-tanking :lol but we know better. He's just way past his time tbh, which is exactly why I don't -yet- bother too much with the future of our FO/coaching: the next "great Spurs" in terms of both players and coach/executives, are more than likely not on the team yet. I'll personally leave my cliffjumping for the "far, far future" as OP noted.

[Sugus]

I Think this is the correct take. I am much higher on our talent that most obviously. Granted, there is no generational talent on the roster, but we are already competitive and will be so moving forward in my estimation. Vassel will be better next year, and you add in a possible additional lottery talent, the roster looks real good. There is a reason we have stood firm on our in house talent, I trust our process. I doubt we make much wave in free agency, but that is our history. LMA being the biggest fish, and leaving a bit of a foul test in our mouths probably points to no other big fish for a while, even if we were contenders. My only gripe this year has been not playing Luka more consistently, as he is part of this group and with the direction of the team deserves more minutes than Rudy really.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm high on some of our talent too - yet the question of "To tank, or not to tank" is really tough to answer: I can see both sides of the coin. Ideally, I'd love to do a soft-tank of one year following Pop's retirement (maybe next season?), get that #1 guy, and then you already have a supporting young core cast to build around him. But it's hardly as easy to do as it is to say.

And yeah, that's the argument I'm trying to make - the Spurs are already in the rebuilding process, whether fans want to see it or not. The multiple instances where the Spurs could load up on short-term talent to make playoff runs, but didn't, is proof enough; posters can say, with reason, that they should've shipped out the vets for minor assets. I think the FO simply saw the value the vets bring to the team right now in terms of experience, leadership, and "winning ways" (and yes, I puked in my mouth a little bit writing that, don't quote me on it :lol) outweighs those minor assets that could be had by just tearing the team down. I'm not saying that's the "right call", but it's clearly the direction the FO sees as correct for the time being.

Luka's playing time has too been a grip for me this season... It feels like the Lonnie situation all over again, I even find myself making the same comments I was making last season in regards to that. No excuse from Pop on that - especially in a game like yesterday's against the Magic: we were up 20+ IN THE FIRST QUARTER!! How do you not even give the kid a chance until 6m left in the fourth?!? :pctoss

[gambit1990]

Your counterpoint in a thread about the future of our division is to bring up stuff from 2014? Might as well have brought up the 99 championship too while you are at it.
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[gambit1990]

Yes, Dallas has a franchise player in Doncic. Zion's looking mighty good. Ja is great as well (though I'm lower on him than Luka/Zion).
you're catching on, it only took you three months :lmao


mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion

[Harry Callahan]

I still maintain that those teams will probably fuck it up. Dallas was allegedly supposed to be title contenders this year and can't even make it into the playoffs without a play in game. Memphis has a lot of talent, but same shit. Ja is great, but what happens is Ja bolts? Houston doesn't have a brighter future and somehow managed to make every single wrong move for years in order to ruin a team that had a top 3 player. NOLA has Zion who is good, but they haven't proven shit either.

I would 100% want to have Luka, Zion or Ja on this team. They are all really good prospects. But I also expect those teams except Dallas to fuck it up. Cuban knows how to keep a star, so I think they'll be fine eventually, but people have been singing Memphis praises for years and they have yet to even make the playoffs. NOLA has a track history with transcendent bigs.

I look sideways at anything the Mavies do given my proximity and dislike of that team. Cuban could not keep multiple s e X u a l harassers out of his front office for over 20 years. He literally had to hire a female team president for optics. Why did Cubes get to stay an owner of that team? Other owners have been drummed out of the league in the recent past. Looking the other way for that long tells me Cubes is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is or he condones the actions of his 20 year team president Ussary. The official team photographer also did some creepy stuff.

Dirk was in Dallas before Cubey owned the team. The Mavies are one of the few teams to BLOW UP an NBA Championship roster in 2011. The Atlanta Hawks are stupid and that's why they have Luka D. End of story. I don't think Luka D is big on conditioning - he is supremely gifted offensively. A mediocre defender. He may have injury issues long term given the lack of conditioning. Besides Luka, the Dallas roster is not that great. I hate KP as a player. The exceedingly tall guys like that tend to break down very quickly and he has already had major leg injuries.

I think the Spurs have the supporting players right now for a very good team in the near future. They don't have THE GUY yet. That is usually the biggest challenge.

[Sugus]

you're catching on, it only took you three months :lmao

I'm still waiting for you to catch up to the fact that the Spurs are on a completely different point of their rebuild than those other teams, and can/will draft a similar franchise talent given the years-of-sucking that those other franchises endured too, given they have all their picks and an excellent drafting department... How many months has it been, now? :wakeup

[gambit1990]

sugus mentioned how it takes more than single talent to win it all... yeah, it does... but the spurs don't even have that. talent is the most important factor too.

d white isn't a #1 option and neither is murray.

[gambit1990]

the spurs don't even have some solid core either.

and dear god if they resign demar...

[gambit1990]

This guy has no clue why people are excited about the team because he doesn't even watch the fucking games. People should stop paying attention to this moron.

It’s time to close this thread

Should have been closed the moment it was posted
:lol

[Rummpd]

Bottom Line Up Front:

1. FO is a farce and has been for four plus years
2. HOF Coach is semi-retired
3. Too many wings and not enough size or shooting
4. There seems to be no plan to address at least 1-3

[slick'81]

Bottom Line Up Front:

1. FO is a farce and has been for four plus years
2. HOF Coach is semi-retired
3. Too many wings and not enough size or shooting
4. There seems to be no plan to address at least 1-3

welcome to pops world

[Sugus]

We really have come down to bumping this thread after every loss, huh? None other than OP himself too bumping his own thread, after saying by his own word that it was about the "far far future" and not the immediate results, when confronted about a moving goalpost... :wakeup

[gambit1990]

We really have come down to bumping this thread after every loss, huh? None other than OP himself too bumping his own thread, after saying by his own word that it was about the "far far future" and not the immediate results, when confronted about a moving goalpost... :wakeup
just keep acting like i didn't already tell you this:

this thread is about the future.

i'm bumping it now because despite the spurs trying their best this season, they're almost behind the mavs and grizzlies in the standings. that's how bad things are.

[RC_Drunkford]

sugus mentioned how it takes more than single talent to win it all... yeah, it does... but the spurs don't even have that. talent is the most important factor too.

d white isn't a #1 option and neither is murray.

:pop: „but they are all good character guys. That’s what matters most“