Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[exstatic]

I would actually like both ( less the 20 million more like 12-15 ); two elite shooters sounds great!

If you offer DR $12-15, Miami happily matches, and sends a thank you card. He’s restricted, and if you REALLY want him, you’re going to have to overpay to the point Miami won’t want to match.

[Atl Spur]

If you offer DR $12-15, Miami happily matches, and sends a thank you card. He’s restricted, and if you REALLY want him, you’re going to have to overpay to the point Miami won’t want to match.

What price is an over pay to you?

[Atl Spur]

Ok, career 40+ 3pt% guys who can't play Defense-

Reggie Bullock (39%) 4.2 M
Joe Harris (43%) 16.1M
Bryn Forbes (41%) 2.3M
Seth Curry (44%) 7.8M
Davis Bertans (40%) 15M
Joe Ingles (41%) 10.9M

That's an average of 9.6M/year

Bro you are selling dudes impact / skill set short but anywhere between 15-20 is what I’m thinking will be acceptable. Joe’s avg salary is 18.7 / Davis B. 16 per ( don’t get cute )

[SAGirl]

I mentioned him already but I like Doug McDermott. Not a defense guy but can shoot and score efficiently with great cutting/scoring instincts. Just a bandaid until Spurs get a good team though, but shooting is a big need, plus he’s not a guard of which the Spurs have a lot of. However he said he would like to stay in Indiana in his exit interview so maybe he’ll sign quickly with them.

[Texas_Ranger]

I hope we sign some giant losers, so even if the FO wont wanna tank, the players will just be too shitty to win.

[mo7888]

Bro you are selling dudes impact / skill set short but anywhere between 15-20 is what I’m thinking will be acceptable.

He plays no defense and shoots in this percentage range from deep. Ingles is his closest comp.

[exstatic]

What price is an over pay to you?

You’re asking the wrong question. The correct question is “What price is an overpay to Miami?” That’s what you’d have to offer him.

[Atl Spur]

You’re asking the wrong question. The correct question is “What price is an overpay to Miami?” That’s what you’d have to offer him.

No, I’m asking the right question. In your opinion, what is to much for Duncan?

[Atl Spur]

He plays no defense and shoots in this percentage range from deep. Ingles is his closest comp.

Bro.......no. Joe ingles contract avg 13 per signed in 2018...... two different players also

[SAGirl]

I hope we sign some giant losers, so even if the FO wont wanna tank, the players will just be too shitty to win.
I hesitated in suggesting McDermott because he’s a veteran. If its evident that the Spurs are headed for a tankathon and that they will not be competitive they will have a rough time attracting veterans unless they are overpaid. So people expecting the Spurs not to overpay for somebody will likely be disappointed. The team is going to have to pay the bib gucks to somebody and it surely will not be the rookies they will get in the draft.

If they are going to spend on something and want to stay competitive it would probably benefit them the most to spend on shooting and hope to recreate something like what the Jazz have. They have a lot of ball handling guards and either they sink or swim, at least surround them with shooters and cutters and hope they develop.

[mo7888]

Bro.......no. Joe ingles contract avg 13 per signed in 2018...... two different players also

$10,863,637 was Ingle's salary for the 2020-2021 season. They are different though, Ingles is better and has a higher PER.

[Atl Spur]

$10,863,637 was Ingle's salary for the 2020-2021 season.

What’s his annual avg? 4/52

[mo7888]

What’s his annual avg? 4/52

I didn't look at previous years because they are irrelevant now... the last year of his contract he makes a little over $13M.

[Atl Spur]

I didn't look at previous years because they are irrelevant now... the last year of his contract he makes a little over $13M.

Really Mo? No words...... I’m done here. Thanks

[mo7888]

Really Mo? No words...... I’m done here. Thanks

Thank goodness...

[PrimeMinister]

Duncan Robinson is a MLE caliber player who will command 20+ million a year

similar to derozan in that respect.

crazy to me he commands so much attention in discussion and media when way better players in Gary Trent and THJ are more attainable and in the same ballpark financially. Robinson isn’t even the best impending free agent from his own team IMO and I’m not talking about Oladipo.

The Pat Riley Hype Industrial Complex

[SAGirl]

Duncan Robinson is a MLE caliber player who will command 20+ million a year

similar to derozan in that respect.

crazy to me he commands so much attention in discussion and media when way better players in Gary Trent and THJ are more attainable and in the same ballpark financially. Robinson isn’t even the best impending free agent from his own team IMO and I’m not talking about Oladipo.

The Pat Riley Hype Industrial Complex
I think Tim is going to get paid again. I don’t know about Trent Jr. but Hardaway has gotten press around him. He’s been very good in his role in the Mavs.

[duncan2150]

If i go with a shooter, i will go with Mc Dermott who looks like a more complete player than robinson.

[Atl Spur]

Duncan Robinson is a MLE caliber player who will command 20+ million a year

similar to derozan in that respect.

crazy to me he commands so much attention in discussion and media when way better players in Gary Trent and THJ are more attainable and in the same ballpark financially. Robinson isn’t even the best impending free agent from his own team IMO and I’m not talking about Oladipo.

The Pat Riley Hype Industrial Complex

I’m not here to argue salary/value but I will say again dude is a nice fit for the squad.

[objective]

There was a pacers podcast this week that had the hosts agreeing that Sabonis was as good as gone.

Spurs could do a lopsided trade into capspace

Would Keldon+12 be enough ? Or if they jump up, #4 plus Keldon? Too much?

[Seventyniner]

There was a pacers podcast this week that had the hosts agreeing that Sabonis was as good as gone.

Spurs could do a lopsided trade into capspace

Would Keldon+12 be enough ? Or if they jump up, #4 plus Keldon? Too much?

I would do Keldon + #12 in a heartbeat. Sabonis is legit. Probably not Keldon + #4 though, that's a high enough pick to get a true star going forward.

But why would the Pacers trade him when he's locked in for 3 more years at a good salary? And if they did, imo they would be able to get better offers elsewhere. They will be over the cap as things stand but far enough under the tax to use the MLE, albeit barely once you factor in their draft pick.

[mo7888]

I would do Keldon + #12 in a heartbeat. Sabonis is legit. Probably not Keldon + #4 though, that's a high enough pick to get a true star going forward.

But why would the Pacers trade him when he's locked in for 3 more years at a good salary? And if they did, imo they would be able to get better offers elsewhere. They will be over the cap as things stand but far enough under the tax to use the MLE, albeit barely once you factor in their draft pick.

You guys that want us to go get Sabonis, do you see us moving Jakob or do you see Sabonis as a 4 playing beside him?

[TD 21]

You guys that want us to go get Sabonis, do you see us moving Jakob or do you see Sabonis as a 4 playing beside him?

No chance Sabonis could play next to a rim runner. He's really a five himself, who'd ideally be paired with a four like Grant, who can space the floor + protect the rim.

[mo7888]

No chance Sabonis could play next to a rim runner. He's really a five himself, who'd ideally be paired with a four like Grant, who can space the floor + protect the rim.

I agree, I just keep seeing these proposals to get him but no mention of how he'd fit or what we'd do with Jakob.

[PrimeMinister]

I’m not here to argue salary/value but I will say again dude is a nice fit for the squad.

thats all well and good but are you willing to throw 20% of the salary cap to a dude because he’s a “good fit”

Shooting can be had if you look hard enough. He’s not that unique a player to give into a shit market.

hes way closer to the 2021 iteration of Patty Mills than he is klay Thompson. There’s more dynamic players in this FA class that will cost a similar amount and would be far more worth an overpay due to their potential. Like a Gary trent jr.

[TimDunkem]

Damn bruh..... you are on one! I’m sorry you aren’t feeling well:)
No wonder you didn't accept the bet. :lol

[Atl Spur]

I like ol’ Caruso from the Lakers.

[Atl Spur]

No wonder you didn't accept the bet. :lol

Well ok......

[rankingtear]

They have figured out how to guard Duncan Robinson this season so his numbers are down. Still think he is worth 16 mil for a team with too much ball handlers. MIA would resign him his cap hold is very low and they can't afford to lose him.

[ace3g]

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The Hawks just presented the inaugural Sekou Smith award to John Collins. Award is to honor the player on the team’s roster who best represents themselves and the franchise with professionalism and integrity in their interactions with the media.

[PhantomDashCam]

I wonder if D.J Wilson might be this year’s Tre Lyles-type addition?

Shown glimpses but never put it together. Worth taking a flyer on?

[ace3g]

John Collins is a good interior lob passer.

[SPURt]

Looking at these FAs and draft, not gonna lie, it’s not looking good for next season. Winter is coming.

[eDizzle20]

I’m for Bobby Portis. He’s been solid for the Bucks and has shot the 3 well. Not to mention adding some toughness.

[The Truth #6]

I’m for Bobby Portis. He’s been solid for the Bucks and has shot the 3 well. Not to mention adding some toughness.

I think Reggie Miller called him "Crazy Eyes" during a recent broadcast. Then they cut to Portis, and I was like, "Yep, dude looks crazy as shit, but in a good way." He seems like a good 80s/90s throwback player, but with a 3-point shot. He wouldn't make us a lot better, but would provide some needed, actual veteran leadership, if I had to guess. Sounds good to me in the absence of better options.

[PhantomDashCam]

I’m for Bobby Portis. He’s been solid for the Bucks and has shot the 3 well. Not to mention adding some toughness.


I think Reggie Miller called him "Crazy Eyes" during a recent broadcast. Then they cut to Portis, and I was like, "Yep, dude looks crazy as shit, but in a good way." He seems like a good 80s/90s throwback player, but with a 3-point shot. He wouldn't make us a lot better, but would provide some needed, actual veteran leadership, if I had to guess. Sounds good to me in the absence of better options.

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/920697720318382080?s=20

I can’t see any scenario where Spurs put him in a position to injure someone like a Keldon or Samanic because the competitive juices are flowing.

Spurs rolled the dice on their own version of a “crazy eyes” in bringing Stephen Jackson back. The guy was off the team the next year, axed right before the playoffs began.

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/920697720318382080?s=20

I can’t see any scenario where Spurs put him in a position to injure someone like a Keldon or Samanic because the competitive juices are flowing.

Spurs rolled the dice on their own version of a “crazy eyes” in bringing Stephen Jackson back. The guy was off the team the next year, axed right before the playoffs began.

I was hoping more for Kurt Thomas style of crazy eyes, but I admit I haven’t followed Portis super closely.

[exstatic]

I was hoping more for Kurt Thomas style of crazy eyes, but I admit I haven’t followed Portis super closely.

He broke facial bones, gave his teammate a concussion, and hospitalized him. Hard pass. It’s not just his eyes that are crazy.

[jjspur]

He broke facial bones, gave his teammate a concussion, and hospitalized him. Hard pass. It’s not just his eyes that are crazy.

Apparently the spurs will entertain crazy just not that crazy.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't have a problem with Portis myself. That poor choice happened 3 or 4 years ago and he hasn't been a problem since. He's got a toughness about him we could use and his 3 pt shooting would be welcomed. So, as long as the contract was palatable and he understood his role I'd be happy with signing him.

[PrimeMinister]

Bulls Locker Room Supports Bobby Portis in Nikola Mirotic Feud

“To a man, Portis punching a teammate was wrong. There's not one Bulls player disputing that. But as the Sun-Times initially reported, there continues to be a lingering sense that Mirotic came into training camp with a feeling of entitlement, and that was not sitting well with many of his younger teammates.

When he made an aggressive motion toward Portis—not the first time the two have had issues with each other in practice over the years—the 22-year-old Portis obviously had enough."


​ Article goes on a little further with quotes from team mates basically saying “let’s move on” and the like but at the bottom it says

“Privately, however, the players may see things differently. In Portis, his teammates reportedly see "a guy that has put in all the work this summer, is a better teammate and is just more liked,"

Sounds to me like Nikola wanted smoke and got it. Now one of the em is in Spain and the other is playing a key role on an contending team with a chance at a ring. Bobby Portis is straight up loved.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743212-report-bulls-locker-room-supports-bobby-portis-in-nikola-mirotic-feud

[Dejounte]

Bulls Locker Room Supports Bobby Portis in Nikola Mirotic Feud

“To a man, Portis punching a teammate was wrong. There's not one Bulls player disputing that. But as the Sun-Times initially reported, there continues to be a lingering sense that Mirotic came into training camp with a feeling of entitlement, and that was not sitting well with many of his younger teammates.

When he made an aggressive motion toward Portis—not the first time the two have had issues with each other in practice over the years—the 22-year-old Portis obviously had enough."


​ Article goes on a little further with quotes from team mates basically saying “let’s move on” and the like but at the bottom it says

“Privately, however, the players may see things differently. In Portis, his teammates reportedly see "a guy that has put in all the work this summer, is a better teammate and is just more liked,"

Sounds to me like Nikola wanted smoke and got it. Now one of the em is in Spain and the other is playing a key role on an contending team with a chance at a ring. Bobby Portis is straight up loved.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743212-report-bulls-locker-room-supports-bobby-portis-in-nikola-mirotic-feud



If that's the case, bring him on. If more minutes are in store for Luka next year, Bobby can be groomed to be his backup while Rudy can be the 3rd string PF mentoring both. I don't think Bobby would come in with an ego and would happily accept a backup role.

[rankingtear]

Portis on the Bucks his good. Don't know what happens if you take Giannis out of the equation. He was considered as one of the worst defensive players prior to MIL.

[PrimeMinister]

Portis on the Bucks his good. Don't know what happens if you take Giannis out of the equation. He was considered as one of the worst defensive players prior to MIL.

Spurs need size and they need shooting. They also need players that match the general timeline. He checks those boxes, and isn’t someone who will command a lengthy, big dollar deal like the often talked about names this FA period.

defensive lapses can be covered more easily off the bench, and he is at least marginally better than he once was at that end.

[TD 21]

Samanic has yet to prove he's an NBA player and as such, obviously has no chance to be a starter next season, especially for a team trying to "compete".

Portis is a good third big. Good shooter/scorer, solid rebounder, but a player who doesn't really have a defensive position in the modern NBA (not mobile enough to be a 4, nor a good enough rim protector to be a 5). He's perfect alongside the most amorphous, flexible defensive player in the league, in Antetokounmpo.

[PrimeMinister]

Samanic has yet to prove he's an NBA player and as such, obviously has no chance to be a starter next season, especially for a team trying to "compete".

Portis is a good third big. Good shooter/scorer, solid rebounder, but a player who doesn't really have a defensive position in the modern NBA (not mobile enough to be a 4, nor a good enough rim protector to be a 5). He's perfect alongside the most amorphous, flexible defensive player in the league, in Antetokounmpo.

I don’t think we need to get too deep into Portis discourse because it’s unlikely it will come to pass anyway.

But last thing I will say is if they are in the market to pursue a stretch 4/5 type player as would make sense from a roster construction stand point - he at least makes some amount of sense as a cheaper alternative to a player like Lauri. If Samanic is indeed still not a factor in the rotation next season (highly unlikely), he serves as a decent stop gap until he is, or a new solution at the 4 is found.

I would gladly deal with 2 years of Bobby Portis and all his faults and potential shortcomings, than whatever contract it might take to lure the other FA targets.

[TD 21]

I don’t think we need to get too deep into Portis discourse because it’s unlikely it will come to pass anyway.

But last thing I will say is if they are in the market to pursue a stretch 4/5 type player as would make sense from a roster construction stand point - he at least makes some amount of sense as a cheaper alternative to a player like Lauri. If Samanic is indeed still not a factor in the rotation next season (highly unlikely), he serves as a decent stop gap until he is, or a new solution at the 4 is found.

I would gladly deal with 2 years of Bobby Portis and all his faults and potential shortcomings, than whatever contract it might take to lure the other FA targets.

Fair enough, but money shouldn't stop them from pursuing Markkanen or whoever. If they think he can be an above average starter and Portis just a good third big and the former costs around $20M annually while the latter goes for the MLE ($9-10M), the difference is essentially meaningless.

If you're going for the slow but steady rebuild they are, then step one in that goal is pushing to make the playoffs every season, so the number one question in free agency should be: Who helps you more to that end?

[Gagnrath]

Apparently the spurs will entertain crazy just not that crazy.

I point out that the Spurs entertained a guy called "The Worm" for a while. Brought the guy who isn't world peace, that was part of the conflict at the Palace of Auburn Hills into the NBA and then brought him back to San Antonio. The Spurs are fine with Crazy it just has to have good enough basketball come with it.

[J_Paco]

I wonder if D.J Wilson might be this year’s Tre Lyles-type addition?

Shown glimpses but never put it together. Worth taking a flyer on? I'd rather they keep Bates-Diop around and see if he can become a full - time contributor. He has the size, wingspan and defensive potential the team needs.

Wilson wasn't given many chances in Milwaukee, but he never showed enough for them to keep around.

I could see him staying in Houston and putting up decent - ish numbers on a bad team.

[exstatic]

I point out that the Spurs entertained a guy called "The Worm" for a while. Brought the guy who isn't world peace, that was part of the conflict at the Palace of Auburn Hills into the NBA and then brought him back to San Antonio. The Spurs are fine with Crazy it just has to have good enough basketball come with it.

The Worm wasn’t brought in by PATFO. Just a bit before their time. He was shipped out by Pop, though, who was the GM at the time.

Jack was brought in the first time before The Malice, and the second time for salary cutting purposes. He had one year less than RJ left on his contract. Turns out that he had less time left hand that, as they booted him right before the 2013 playoffs.

[PhantomDashCam]

I'd rather they keep Bates-Diop around and see if he can become a full - time contributor. He has the size, wingspan and defensive potential the team needs.

Wilson wasn't given many chances in Milwaukee, but he never showed enough for them to keep around.

I could see him staying in Houston and putting up decent - ish numbers on a bad team.

Yeah, I like KBD more for the reasons you mentioned (along with the b-ball I.Q), but the athleticism, shooting range and the positional profile of Wilson have me intrigued.

In this transitional period of Spurs basketball, would be happy if they take a look at a variety of perhaps under valued/utilised young prospects whose best basketball is yet to come. Ideally they can compete with drafted prospects (in this case Samanich), for rotational PF minutes.

FWIW, D.J played his best ball of his career before missing the final 7-8 games of the season due to COVID protocols.
Small sample size admittedly,

Wilson had taken a larger role for the banged-up Rockets (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/HOU/houston-rockets/), averaging 12.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.8 threes and 1.0 steals over his last four appearances.

His by-possession career game against Denver during that stretch, you can see the good and bad here.


https://youtu.be/yNV3mn32L2o

[look_at_g_shred]

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[PhantomDashCam]

Rumor mill...

https://twitter.com/CodyL3wis/status/1399844212636520448?s=20

[CGD]

Have not been impressed with Hawks’ Collins these playoffs. Don’t see why he deserves a max offer sheet.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Have not been impressed with Hawks’ Collins these playoffs. Don’t see why he deserves a max offer sheet.

He doesn't but that's what it would take to get him. Hawks could actually afford to match and think about their cap situation in a year or two, with Young's extension as well, but they can manage it. Sometimes you have to overpay, better him at $28-30 mil per than a Markkanen type at $18-20.

[rankingtear]

Have not been impressed with Hawks’ Collins these playoffs. Don’t see why he deserves a max offer sheet.

Playing him more as a 4 recently, less pick and roll with Trae more spot ups.

[Dejounte]

Playing him more as a 4 recently, less pick and roll with Trae more spot ups.

It will be the same role here, which is why it's not smart to invest so much in that position unless it's a surefire star...which Collins isn't.

[Chinook]

You have to invest the money in something, and I'd rather do so in an actualized All-Star than just re-signing guys to mid-sized deals. The NBA is not a place to money-ball.

[Dejounte]

Collins is an actualized All-Star? ^

[EasyMoney]

Bobby Portis would be a great bench guy/temporary solution in that starting 4 spot. However I don't know why he would want to join a rebuilding team after signing to a contender.

[rankingtear]

Bobby Portis would be a great bench guy/temporary solution in that starting 4 spot. However I don't know why he would want to join a rebuilding team after signing to a contender.

A huge payday might convince him, although he reportedly turned down 8 figures from NYK. Portis is playing mostly backup C for more than 2 years now.

[rankingtear]

You have to invest the money in something, and I'd rather do so in an actualized All-Star than just re-signing guys to mid-sized deals. The NBA is not a place to money-ball.

They are using him now as a 4th/5th option and it coincides with them winning more games.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I’ve liked Portis for a bit and I think Bud would co-sign the guy as being a good player and teammate to Pop and the front office if our team tried to sign him.

I honestly think the Bucks will try and keep him but if not, then the Spurs should most definitely try and sign him because he fits a need and will be relatively cheaper than other players his age and position.

Zach Collins is another guy who I hadn’t thought about until somebody posted about him that would be a good sneaky pickup also.

[poopbox]

I’ve liked Portis for a bit and I think Bud would co-sign the guy as being a good player and teammate to Pop and the front office if our team tried to sign him.

I honestly think the Bucks will try and keep him but if not, then the Spurs should most definitely try and sign him because he fits a need and will be relatively cheaper than other players his age and position.

Zach Collins is another guy who I hadn’t thought about until somebody posted about him that would be a good sneaky pickup also.

Collins hasn't played basketball since the bubble last year cause of a fractured foot. We already got one guy with foot problems in Derrick. No thanks to another one.

[mo7888]

Collins hasn't played basketball since the bubble last year cause of a fractured foot. We already got one guy with foot problems in Derrick. No thanks to another one.

It's not that clear cut...it's more nuanced than that... length of contract...price per year...that sort of thing... if you've got to pay top $ you absolutely pass...but if you can get a discount on a shorter contract then it's the type of gamble you've gotta take if you're the Spurs.

[MultiTroll]

If SuperWoke Pop continues on as President of all things Spurs Basketball, would a WNBA player be taken after Becky is named head coach?

As a marketing play and to show how super progressive and woke the team is.

[PrimeMinister]

Blazer bigs are cursed

hard pass

[R. DeMurre]

Portland's one of those teams I look at and think it's just never gonna happen. A back court of 6'2" and 6'3" guys along with a 6'3" Norman Powell, and an old school unswitchable center, plus Carmelo off the bench?? It's like their front office is mad at the very concept of defense.

[poopbox]

It's not that clear cut...it's more nuanced than that... length of contract...price per year...that sort of thing... if you've got to pay top $ you absolutely pass...but if you can get a discount on a shorter contract then it's the type of gamble you've gotta take if you're the Spurs.

When a guy hasn't played basketball for over a year due to foot injuries, it's not really nuanced at all.

[mo7888]

When a guy hasn't played basketball for over a year due to foot injuries, it's not really nuanced at all.

Yea...it really is...

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs need a alpha scorer whose not afraid to shoot theball, could gaf about fg%

mccollum can shoot anywhere on the floor, but his just to damn inconsistent when it really matters

[ace3g]

I'm still on the Tim Hardaway Jr. bandwagon.

[keithington1]

I'm still on the Tim Hardaway Jr. bandwagon.Hardaway Walker and Tre Jones off the bench with someone like Kai Jones would be nice

[Kurik]

Hard pass on Hardaway for me, playing with Doncic this is the best you’ll ever see him play. I’d rather see Vassell get a lot of burn for better or worse.

[Dejounte]

I don't necessarily think Hardaway is a man made by Doncic-- he takes shots with hands in his face. He's a ballsy player. I think he's sort of like Harrison Barnes in a way. And like Barnes, he will be overpaid like crazy this offseason.

[poopbox]

No room for a Tim Hardaway Jr on this team. We already got 1 or 2 guards to many. Is he good enough to absolutely take a bunch of minutes from murray, white, walker, and devin ? Nope. He going to get some crazy offers as well.

[exstatic]

I don't necessarily think Hardaway is a man made by Doncic-- he takes shots with hands in his face. He's a ballsy player. I think he's sort of like Harrison Barnes in a way. And like Barnes, he will be overpaid like crazy this offseason.

Barnes is locked in for two more years, pretty reasonably. $20M next year, $18M the year after.

[Dejounte]

Barnes is locked in for two more years, pretty reasonably. $20M next year, $18M the year after.

I meant the Dallas 2016-2019 version of Barnes. $23M a year during those years was a clear overpay. Probably equivalent to $27M now.

[R. DeMurre]

There really aren't any high dollar free agents this year that I think fit the Spurs or are worth it, but generally speaking it'll be hard to avoid at least a small overpay to convince a star or near star to choose San Antonio over all other teams. I think we got spoiled by Timmy, Manu, and Tony routinely giving a home town discount.

[ace3g]

Jabari mentions Spurs interest in CJ McCollum

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1401226423340306436

Link to full article: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/05/trail-blazers-face-mounting-concerns-following-playoff-exit-coaching-change.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit .activity.PostToTwitter

[poopbox]

When the mavs wrongfully blame Kristaps for how their season ends and want to trade him we should be pushing hard to do a sign and trade for him with Derozan. He would damn near every problem we have with our front court.

[Joseph Kony]

When the mavs wrongfully blame Kristaps for how their season ends and want to trade him we should be pushing hard to do a sign and trade for him with Derozan. He would damn near every problem we have with our front court.

:lol no he wouldnt. Porzingis is 100x softer than Poeltl is, he has no big man skills and his perimeter skills arent even that good, plus he is injury prone as fuck

[lmbebo]

When the mavs wrongfully blame Kristaps for how their season ends and want to trade him we should be pushing hard to do a sign and trade for him with Derozan. He would damn near every problem we have with our front court.

Kristpas is a shell of what he once was. Mavs were looking to dump him at the trade deadline and found no one wanting to take him. Defensively, he's horrible now.

[Mr. Body]

I realize Lillard to the Spurs has a zilcho chance of happening, but can't San Antonio get involved to help absorb salary for a third team? They could get some nice smaller pieces if they work things right, especially as the big FAs don't seem worth the big outlays of cash.

[tbdog]

I realize Lillard to the Spurs has a zilcho chance of happening, but can't San Antonio get involved to help absorb salary for a third team? They could get some nice smaller pieces if they work things right, especially as the big FAs don't seem worth the big outlays of cash.

It's difficult because there are lots of overpaid guards, in which Spurs don't need. And also Spurs seem to have lined up cap space for 2023 off season.

So someone like Barnes and Grant are good options as they play a position of need and have expired contracts in 2023.

Horford is an option if Spurs can get Dort in the package. But I don't think Thunder value cap space.

Mike's Turner and Lavert are targets that fit in cap space. And a potential DDR trade partner.

[mo7888]

It's difficult because there are lots of overpaid guards, in which Spurs don't need. And also Spurs seem to have lined up cap space for 2023 off season.

So someone like Barnes and Grant are good options as they play a position of need and have expired contracts in 2023.

Horford is an option if Spurs can get Dort in the package. But I don't think Thunder value cap space.

Mike's Turner and Lavert are targets that fit in cap space. And a potential DDR trade partner.

Horford is interesting because okc is going to have to move him...they can trade him or buy him out... the question is how much they'll have to pay to move him and is it better to do that or buy him out.... I don't think they or anyone else knows the answer to this yet.

[Mr. Body]

It's difficult because there are lots of overpaid guards, in which Spurs don't need. And also Spurs seem to have lined up cap space for 2023 off season.

So someone like Barnes and Grant are good options as they play a position of need and have expired contracts in 2023.

Horford is an option if Spurs can get Dort in the package. But I don't think Thunder value cap space.

Mike's Turner and Lavert are targets that fit in cap space. And a potential DDR trade partner.

I don't mean taking on big contracts or stars, I mean be a facilitator for contending teams that want to go big in the offseason but need someone with cap room to help. If that can happen, the Spurs could pick up smaller pieces that could be valuable.

[exstatic]

Horford is interesting because okc is going to have to move him...they can trade him or buy him out... the question is how much they'll have to pay to move him and is it better to do that or buy him out.... I don't think they or anyone else knows the answer to this yet.

Yeah, they can’t keep him on the bench for two years. I think they underestimated how effective he is. They were hovering around 8-9 until they sat him, and only then were they really able to tank.

[Em-City]

Kristpas is a shell of what he once was. Mavs were looking to dump him at the trade deadline and found no one wanting to take him. Defensively, he's horrible now.
He was ok against the clips.. Played the passing lane well and got back in transition

[poopbox]

Kristpas is a shell of what he once was. Mavs were looking to dump him at the trade deadline and found no one wanting to take him. Defensively, he's horrible now.

He is playing poorly in Dallas for several reasons.

1. He never wanted to be there in the first place. Remember he threatened to take the qualifying offer if they didn't pay him the max.

2. They don't run any offense for him at all. They either force him onto the left block or have him stand at the 3 point line.

3. When he does get the ball nobody does anything but stand around and watch him. If you watch 6 hours of mavs basketball you can probably count on one hand how many screens someone sets for kristaps

4. They want him to be some great rim protector, which is not and has never been his game. They don't give him any type of help around the rim on defense which is why his defense looks so terrible, because he is on an island and the mavs perimeter defense is non existent.

5. Unless you are a stand and shoot role player Luka is incredibly difficult to play with. He pounds the ball forever and then takes a step back 3. He pounds the ball forever and then passes and instantly runs over to who he passed it to to get the ball back. He pounds the ball forever trying to back someone down in the paint so he can get to the line and shoot 40%. He does NOTHING off ball. He does less than NOTHING off ball. He probably hasn't taken 100 steps off the ball this whole season.

Realistically the mavs are not going to be able to pair Luka with a better "star" than Derozan. To match salaries Derozan would have to start at around 30 million and no one is going to give him remotely close to that. We need a volume shooting big to put up shots all over the floor cause Poeltl little pussy flip shots don't make any difference in a win or loss and this dude is never going to develop even a rudimentary offensive game. Kristaps gets to play the 4 and leave all the defense to Poeltl, Poeltl gets to play defense and not worry about shitting himself anytime he has to shoot the basketball. Trade makes perfect sense for everyone. I am very confident that Kristaps can get pretty close to what he was in New York before his injury. I am also very confident that Kristaps is the first of many "star" level players who play two years with Luka and then want to leave cause they are an afterthought on the team known as the Dallas Luka's.

[pookenstein]

He is playing poorly in Dallas for several reasons.

1. He never wanted to be there in the first place. Remember he threatened to take the qualifying offer if they didn't pay him the max.

2. They don't run any offense for him at all. They either force him onto the left block or have him stand at the 3 point line.

3. When he does get the ball nobody does anything but stand around and watch him. If you watch 6 hours of mavs basketball you can probably count on one hand how many screens someone sets for kristaps

4. They want him to be some great rim protector, which is not and has never been his game. They don't give him any type of help around the rim on defense which is why his defense looks so terrible, because he is on an island and the mavs perimeter defense is non existent.

5. Unless you are a stand and shoot role player Luka is incredibly difficult to play with. He pounds the ball forever and then takes a step back 3. He pounds the ball forever and then passes and instantly runs over to who he passed it to to get the ball back. He pounds the ball forever trying to back someone down in the paint so he can get to the line and shoot 40%. He does NOTHING off ball. He does less than NOTHING off ball. He probably hasn't taken 100 steps off the ball this whole season.

Realistically the mavs are not going to be able to pair Luka with a better "star" than Derozan. To match salaries Derozan would have to start at around 30 million and no one is going to give him remotely close to that. We need a volume shooting big to put up shots all over the floor cause Poeltl little pussy flip shots don't make any difference in a win or loss and this dude is never going to develop even a rudimentary offensive game. Kristaps gets to play the 4 and leave all the defense to Poeltl, Poeltl gets to play defense and not worry about shitting himself anytime he has to shoot the basketball. Trade makes perfect sense for everyone. I am very confident that Kristaps can get pretty close to what he was in New York before his injury. I am also very confident that Kristaps is the first of many "star" level players who play two years with Luka and then want to leave cause they are an afterthought on the team known as the Dallas Luka's.

No, it doesn't because DDR is a ball dominant player as well.

[sananspursfan21]

Jabari mentions Spurs interest in CJ McCollum

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1401226423340306436

Link to full article: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/05/trail-blazers-face-mounting-concerns-following-playoff-exit-coaching-change.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit .activity.PostToTwitter

I’m not entirely sold on McCollum but I’d like to see it. I’ve kinda lost faith in our “backcourt of the future”. White is hurt too much to really grow. McCollum and Murray would be a fun duo that I think could play off each other well.

[Dex]

I’m not entirely sold on McCollum but I’d like to see it. I’ve kinda lost faith in our “backcourt of the future”. White is hurt too much to really grow. McCollum and Murray would be a fun duo that I think could play off each other well.

How many guards do we need, though?

Even if DeRozan and Mills walk, we still have Murray, White, Walker, and Jones in the pipeline. Also would not at all be surprised to see the Spurs get another one in the draft, especially the 2nd round.

I understand they aren't all gonna be stars, but I'd rather focus on getting some actual size on this team so KJ can stop pretending he is a power forward.

[R. DeMurre]

No interest in McCollum... a 6'3" SG isn't going to do much for this team, except stunt the growth of Vassell and Walker. He's currently paired with one of the most dynamic PGs in the league and the results are less than stellar-- why start the experiment over again in San Antonio?

[poopbox]

Spurs interested in another veteran guard who comes up short in the playoffs after having a veteran guard repeatedly come up in the playoffs :rollin

[TimDunkem]

Spurs interested in another veteran guard who comes up short in the playoffs after having a veteran guard repeatedly come up in the playoffs :rollin

Let's face it. Without HOF talent on the team this Org. has no fucking clue what they're doing.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Atlanta Hawks Kevin Huerter is a guy I could see us going after that could be an underrated pickup. Dude is 6’7” can handle the ball a bit along with pass. He is a solid 3 point shooter and is big enough to play the 3 as well as the 2. He isn’t totally trash on defense but not good either. Lmao.

Atlanta has a decent amount of solid young players that they aren’t going to be able to keep and he could be one of the guys who they aren’t going to be able to keep.

[Atl Spur]

Let's face it. Without HOF talent on the team this Org. has no fucking clue what they're doing.

Eat a dick clown......there’s no metrics to support your dumb ass claims!

[Atl Spur]

Atlanta Hawks Kevin Huerter is a guy I could see us going after that could be an underrated pickup. Dude is 6’7” can handle the ball a bit along with pass. He is a solid 3 point shooter and is big enough to play the 3 as well as the 2. He isn’t totally trash on defense but not good either. Lmao.

Atlanta has a decent amount of solid young players that they aren’t going to be able to keep and he could be one of the guys who they aren’t going to be able to keep.

Probably let reddish go before him though....

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Probably let reddish go before him though....

i wouldn’t even mind us grabbing Reddish (he has been really bad on offense) because he is still very young. He could be a low cost reclamation project at a position of need for us.

I think Huerter is going to leave because they aren’t going to be able to sign Collins to a huge deal and keep Huerter if a team offers a decent enough deal. Trae Young the next off season will be coming up for a huge contract extension that everyone knows they are going to pay.

edit..
I just noticed Huerter will be a free agent when Young is up for an extension not this season. I still wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves though.

[mo7888]

Turning the attention to teams attaching assets to move contracts for a moment... We've discussed Horford... but what about the Kemba contract? How much would they need to attach to move it into our cap space?

[JeffDuncan]

Turning the attention to teams attaching assets to move contracts for a moment... We've discussed Horford... but what about the Kemba contract? How much would they need to attach to move it into our cap space?

Kemba Walker?? Contract price of $36 mil next year.

Hard pass.

[mo7888]

Kemba Walker?? Contract price of $36 mil next year.

Hard pass.

That's the point...he's got an awful contract and they'll have to attach assets to get him...play him or buy him out it doesn't matter... I'm looking for what assets they'd need to attach to get rid of him.

[JeffDuncan]

That's the point...he's got an awful contract and they'll have to attach assets to get him...play him or buy him out it doesn't matter... I'm looking for what assets they'd need to attach to get rid of him.


Well, to start with, I’d want every draft pick the Celtics have, from now to eternity, before I’d take that Kemba contract. Then, if they’d also toss in Brown for free, agreeing to pay his salary themselves, we could talk.

But seriously, I don’t think the Celtics have anything, that they’d let go, which would make the Kemba contract acceptable. Looking at their roster, nothing there is that attractive.

[The Truth #6]

With Dejounte here as our starting pg, I imagine it would take a lot of moves for it to happen or make sense. But I would love for the FO to at least consider big moves if it made sense.

[mo7888]

Well, to start with, I’d want every draft pick the Celtics have, from now to eternity, before I’d take that Kemba contract. Then, if they’d also toss in Brown for free, agreeing to pay his salary themselves, we could talk.

But seriously, I don’t think the Celtics have anything, that they’d let go, which would make the Kemba contract acceptable. Looking at their roster, nothing there is that attractive.

It's hard to know what they'd attach now that Ainge is out of the picture but, suffice it to say, they are goingbto try very hard to move him and they are going to attach assets to do it. I'm not particularly enamored by their roster either. It would need to be picks for me to be interested.

[lmbebo]

Id want 2 1st round pics for kemba at least

[mo7888]

Id want 2 1st round pics for kemba at least

That's kinda what I'm thinking too...

[JeffDuncan]

It's hard to know what they'd attach now that Ainge is out of the picture but, suffice it to say, they are goingbto try very hard to move him and they are going to attach assets to do it. I'm not particularly enamored by their roster either. It would need to be picks for me to be interested.

Most likely, Kemba will go to another team that has a bad, very expensive, contract to move. I’m sure there must be ways to finagle a bad contract trade so that both teams benefit.

People can say what they want about the Spurs, but at least our duds have not been THAT expensive. For example, LMA this last year ended up costing only half of that Kemba contract price. It easily cudda been worse, with the way things are around the NBA.

I don’t see Kemba coming to the Spurs, because we don’t have any contracts that bad to move out. I don’t know who does, offhand, but I’m sure there’s some around.

[mo7888]

Most likely, Kemba will go to another team that has a bad, very expensive, contract to move. I’m sure there must be ways to finagle a bad contract trade so that both teams benefit.

People can say what they want about the Spurs, but at least our duds have not been THAT expensive. For example, LMA this last year ended up costing only half of that Kemba contract price. It easily cudda been worse, with the way things are around the NBA.

I don’t see Kemba coming to the Spurs, because we don’t have any contracts that bad to move out. I don’t know who does, offhand, but I’m sure there’s some around.

I don't think he goes for an equally bad contract. They'd just keep him if that were the case. I'm also NOT predicting he comes here because I don't have any idea of what direction the FO wants to choose. I'm just talking about it IF the FO chooses to take the option of acquiring assets for bad short term(2 years or less) contracts. If they go that route Kemba is a possible target.

[rankingtear]

They would only trade Kemba for an upgrade. This dumping thing for 2 picks does not make sense cause they would be getting worse.

[mo7888]

They would only trade Kemba for an upgrade. This dumping thing for 2 picks does not make sense cause they would be getting worse.

It assumes that they have another player somewhere they want to acquire with the space or in a secondary trade... you're correct that they aren't doing it in a vacuum for just empty cap space.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs wanted a wrong side of 30 sort of Star with a longish contract, they’d just re-sign DeRozan. The reason they won’t is that they’re keeping their powder dry for 2023. Kemba blows that out of the water.

[JeffDuncan]

I don't think he goes for an equally bad contract. They'd just keep him if that were the case. I'm also NOT predicting he comes here because I don't have any idea of what direction the FO wants to choose. I'm just talking about it IF the FO chooses to take the option of acquiring assets for bad short term(2 years or less) contracts. If they go that route Kemba is a possible target.

A bad contract for one team may not look quite so bad to somebody else tho. It depends on circumstances. Just as a wild - and maybe screwy - example, say that the Mavs decide they seriously want to move Porzingus. (sp?) And they want a veteran shooter to pair with Luka. Then the Mavs and Celtics might talk about Porzi for Kemba. Their contract prices are within 5 mil.

Not offering that as an expected trade, but just as the kind of thing I mean. Possibilities exist, is all I’m saying.

For the Spurs, thank goodness we don’t have any junk to try to move out at 30+ mil. Since the Spurs are looking at so much cap space, it might not be astonishing if they took a contract that another team sees as bad. But I’d expect a contract, or two, in the mid-price range. Closer to 15 or 16 mil. So it doesn’t hurt too much if it doesn’t work out. Call me cautious. (And hopefully forwards.)

[ace3g]

I'm adding Reggie Bullock as another target since the Spurs need 3 point shooters.

[mo7888]

A bad contract for one team may not look quite so bad to somebody else tho. It depends on circumstances. Just as a wild - and maybe screwy - example, say that the Mavs decide they seriously want to move Porzingus. (sp?) And they want a veteran shooter to pair with Luka. Then the Mavs and Celtics might talk about Porzi for Kemba. Their contract prices are within 5 mil.

Not offering that as an expected trade, but just as the kind of thing I mean. Possibilities exist, is all I’m saying.

For the Spurs, thank goodness we don’t have any junk to try to move out at 30+ mil. Since the Spurs are looking at so much cap space, it might not be astonishing if they took a contract that another team sees as bad. But I’d expect a contract, or two, in the mid-price range. Closer to 15 or 16 mil. So it doesn’t hurt too much if it doesn’t work out. Call me cautious. (And hopefully forwards.)

I agree that possibilities exist... and we are in pretty good position contract wise....we just need put FO to pick a direction and pursue it.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm adding Reggie Bullock as another target since the Spurs need 3 point shooters.


Definitely somebody to look at. Over 40% on 6+ three attempts per game. Superb at the ft line, over 90% this last season, altho on few attempts. But he can shoot. I don’t remember watching him play, but the advanced stats look good for him on defense, too. Last contract was 4.2 mil, and he’s unrestricted.

A Patty replacement??

[JeffDuncan]

I agree that possibilities exist... and we are in pretty good position contract wise....we just need put FO to pick a direction and pursue it.


About picking a direction, amen brother. Either reach for the stars, or take the plunge. This bit of trying to maintain the status quo, and hoping to make the playoffs, it sux. Lose 10 of the last 12 games when you’re NOT trying to tank, and playing the veterans, jeez louise. It’s just plain depressing.

But I’m not really talking about tanking outright. I really mean letting the youngsters play. A lot. If it were me — which it isn’t, but anyway — I’d play Vassell 24+ minutes per game next season regardless of what happens. Same with Luka, 24+ minutes. Regardless of how it goes. We need to know if they can play in the NBA. It’s important information. If the W-L record gets even worse, so flippin what. We’re not in contention anyway, and we’d learn some things. I could cheer for the kids, and I’d understand what was happening and why. I think that should already have been done, this season. Last season. All I mostly saw last season was that Rudy can do Rudy type stuff, and Patty can do Patty type stuff, and the same with DDR, and hell, I already knew that. I could say a lot more too.

My rant for the day.

About free agents, or trades, it doesn’t appear that true stars are available this year that the Spurs could get. If an honest to goodness star was available I’d toss everything in the pot to try to get him. Otherwise, caution.

[TD 21]

Turning the attention to teams attaching assets to move contracts for a moment... We've discussed Horford... but what about the Kemba contract? How much would they need to attach to move it into our cap space?

Given their predicament, they should be casting a wide net. This is something they should be exploring more than pursuing, but as others have said, the Celtics are in a precarious spot with Walker (just as the Mavericks are with Porzingis), in that as much as I'm sure they'd like to move his contract, they're also trying to win now and sacrificing draft capital to get off of it is not going to help on that front.

They'd be out assets, still lacking flexibility and the free agent class is weak anyway.

[poopbox]

I'm adding Reggie Bullock as another target since the Spurs need 3 point shooters.

I like Bullock but the questions I would have is a what price and what position does he play.

The spurs are pretty much set in rotation at the guard and small forward spot. Between Dejounte and Derrick starting, Jones and Lonnie off the bench, Keldon and Vassel, the 1 2 and 3 positions don't have any real minutes for someone new unless somebody already on the team is not getting minutes. Luka might get some minutes at the 3 as well for when Pop wants to go ultra big.

This is a bit of a problem with all this cap space. The only thing we really NEED is an offensive big cause Poeltl is such a pussy, and a back up big for when Poeltl gets into inevitable foul trouble. Anybody that doesn't play the 4 or 5 is just going to eat into somebody else on the team minutes, and i think a lot of those minutes are set in stone. Bullock isn't going to play the 4 or 5 for us so then the question becomes how does he get minutes over our other guards and wings and then how much money are you paying him.

[ace3g]

IMO Spurs will improve internally but I still think (hopefully with 2 of 3 - DeRozan, Patty, Gay gone) Spurs need more 3 point shooting at SG-PF position. In today's NBA it is quantity over quality; it can never hurt to have more shooters.

[ace3g]

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San Antonio Spurs will not extend a qualifying offer to young guard Quinndary Weatherspoon and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[Sugus]

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San Antonio Spurs will not extend a qualifying offer to young guard Quinndary Weatherspoon and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

:wow

Not really all that surprising considering Tre already jumped over Weatherspoon in the rotation, but I still thought they'd keep Q for another year or so before letting him go over to greener pastures. Ride on, cowboy. A lot of memories were made.... right?

[Sugus]

E. double post.

[exstatic]

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San Antonio Spurs will not extend a qualifying offer to young guard Quinndary Weatherspoon and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

Not a surprise to me, anyway. I think his ticket was punched when Tre was drafted and signed to the big club roster.

[exstatic]

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San Antonio Spurs will not extend a qualifying offer to young guard Quinndary Weatherspoon and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

Not a surprise to me, anyway. I think his ticket was punched when Tre was drafted and signed to the big club roster.

[rjv]

quinndary will get picked up by some team and, down the road, post a 7 for 11 from three-point range night, thereby resulting in a thread about why the spurs let him go.

[JeffDuncan]

I have to disagree that any position is safe on the Spurs. We’ve had two losing seasons in a row. If there’s any rationality left, nobody’s job is safe, and no player’s minutes are safe.

Well, I’d consider Devin and Luka safe because we don’t even know what they can do yet. I wouldn’t give up a player whose abilities are unknown. Perhaps add Tre to that.

But anybody else could go, if a better player can be found. That includes Dejounte, Derrick, Keldon and Lonnie.

If I could get Bullock I think I’d look to move Lonnie. I’d hate it but I’d do it.

[jjspur]

Not a surprise to me, anyway. I think his ticket was punched when Tre was drafted and signed to the big club roster.
Doesn't even get a minimum offer from the spurs ... at least it opens up a two way slot.

[TD 21]

I like Bullock but the questions I would have is a what price and what position does he play.

The spurs are pretty much set in rotation at the guard and small forward spot. Between Dejounte and Derrick starting, Jones and Lonnie off the bench, Keldon and Vassel, the 1 2 and 3 positions don't have any real minutes for someone new unless somebody already on the team is not getting minutes. Luka might get some minutes at the 3 as well for when Pop wants to go ultra big.

This is a bit of a problem with all this cap space. The only thing we really NEED is an offensive big cause Poeltl is such a pussy, and a back up big for when Poeltl gets into inevitable foul trouble. Anybody that doesn't play the 4 or 5 is just going to eat into somebody else on the team minutes, and i think a lot of those minutes are set in stone. Bullock isn't going to play the 4 or 5 for us so then the question becomes how does he get minutes over our other guards and wings and then how much money are you paying him.

Word is he could fetch the MLE. He makes no sense for the Spurs, who have 1-2 (presuming DeRozan is gone and Johnson plays more three, that leaves Mills and Walker IV as question marks) open rotational spots from 1-3 and have a need for another creator and off movement shooter.

[Dex]

I have to disagree that any position is safe on the Spurs. We’ve had two losing seasons in a row. If there’s any rationality left, nobody’s job is safe, and no player’s minutes are safe.

Well, I’d consider Devin and Luka safe because we don’t even know what they can do yet. I wouldn’t give up a player whose abilities are unknown. Perhaps add Tre to that.

But anybody else could go, if a better player can be found. That includes Dejounte, Derrick, Keldon and Lonnie.

If I could get Bullock I think I’d look to move Lonnie. I’d hate it but I’d do it.

I think White and Lonnie are at the top of that "could trade list".

Lonnie would be especially enticing to a team wanting to make a low-risk, high-reward move considering his possible extension.

Derrick probably has a red flag on him right now due to injury concerns, and his contract is already set at (or maybe slightly above) value.

Either way, the Spurs have a lot of young guys that are still uncertain to develop, and can't hold on to all of them.

[Atl Spur]

Kelly O anyone?

[PhantomDashCam]

Kelly O anyone?

Have not heard good things about him and don't think he passes the Spurs Pub test.

Blows kisses at people after hitting 3s, thinks he's a star etc.

Former GS centre Andrew Bogut supposedly revealed on his podcast that he gave the Warriors an ultimatum, "...he wouldn't be coming off the bench next season."

https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-kelly-oubre-jr-reacts-to-andrew-boguts-rant-about-his-remarks/

[Atl Spur]

Have not heard good things about him and don't think he passes the Spurs Pub test.

Blows kisses at people after hitting 3s, thinks he's a star etc.

Former GS centre Andrew Bogut supposedly revealed on his podcast that he gave the Warriors an ultimatum, "...he wouldn't be coming off the bench next season."

https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-kelly-oubre-jr-reacts-to-andrew-boguts-rant-about-his-remarks/

Sorry, Kelly olynik

[Prime BEEF]

I have to disagree that any position is safe on the Spurs. We’ve had two losing seasons in a row. If there’s any rationality left, nobody’s job is safe, and no player’s minutes are safe.

Well, I’d consider Devin and Luka safe because we don’t even know what they can do yet. I wouldn’t give up a player whose abilities are unknown. Perhaps add Tre to that.

But anybody else could go, if a better player can be found. That includes Dejounte, Derrick, Keldon and Lonnie.

If I could get Bullock I think I’d look to move Lonnie. I’d hate it but I’d do it.
Agreed everyone is tradable

[Dejounte]

Doesn't even get a minimum offer from the spurs ... at least it opens up a two way slot.

two way slot will likely go to the 2nd round pick this year, which means dont expect them to play much unless they throw part of the MLE instead like they did with Tre

players paid least get played the least

[PhantomDashCam]

Sorry, Kelly olynik


Oops, my bad on the assumption. Hope you found my O'ubre musings useful at least :lol

[exstatic]

two way slot will likely go to the 2nd round pick this year, which means dont expect them to play much unless they throw part of the MLE instead like they did with Tre

players paid least get played the least

I think it all depends on the pick. Jones was on many boards as a first rounder, which is why he got a roster spot. He was drafted at 41. Q was drafted at 49. So basically a top 1/3 second rounder vs. a bottom 1/3.

[BlackAndWhite]

I suspect that the covid infection sealed the deal for them.

[TimDunkem]

Eat a dick clown......there’s no metrics to support your dumb ass claims!

Translation: :cry :cry :cry :cry

Tell us again about how Milutinov is still coming over and going to save us! :lmao

[Atl Spur]

Translation: :cry :cry :cry :cry

Tell us again about how Milutinov is still coming over and going to save us! :lmao

Hi. I’ve been waiting for you.......

[R. DeMurre]

One free agent that has the potential to be a sleeper is Furkan Korkmaz of the 76ers. He's a good three point shooter at 6'7" and becoming an average defender after being a poor defender his first couple of years. I don't think he'd be expensive, but I also don't think Philly will want to spend too much on him either, having a bit of a logjam at SG/SF and a team payroll that will already be at $130mil this summer before any signings.
He's one of those guys that's showing slow steady improvement-- nothing spectacular, but definite improvement-- and he's still not yet 24 years old.
Here are his WS/48, BPM, and VORP for his first four seasons:

'17-18, age 20:
WS/48= -0.006
BPM= -7.6
VORP= -0.1

'18-19, age 21:
WS/48= .079
BPM= -1.8
VORP= 0.0

'19-20, age 22:
WS/48= .085
BPM= -1.3
VORP= 0.3

'20-21, age 23:
WS/48= .092
BPM= -0.3
VORP = 0.5

If he continues on this trajectory, it's plausible he'll be a good shooting, net positive player a few years from his prime-- maybe the perfect time to sign a reliable bench guy on the cheap.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/korkmfu01.html

[Atl Spur]

One free agent that has the potential to be a sleeper is Furkan Korkmaz of the 76ers. He's a good three point shooter at 6'7" and becoming an average defender after being a poor defender his first couple of years. I don't think he'd be expensive, but I also don't think Philly will want to spend too much on him either, having a bit of a logjam at SG/SF and a team payroll that will already be at $130mil this summer before any signings.
He's one of those guys that's showing slow steady improvement-- nothing spectacular, but definite improvement-- and he's still not yet 24 years old.
Here are his WS/48, BPM, and VORP for his first four seasons:

'17-18, age 20:
WS/48= -0.006
BPM= -7.6
VORP= -0.1

'18-19, age 21:
WS/48= .079
BPM= -1.8
VORP= 0.0

'19-20, age 22:
WS/48= .085
BPM= -1.3
VORP= 0.3

'20-21, age 23:
WS/48= .092
BPM= -0.3
VORP = 0.5

If he continues on this trajectory, it's plausible he'll be a good shooting, net positive player a few years from his prime-- maybe the perfect time to sign a reliable bench guy on the cheap.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/korkmfu01.html

Nice find! I wouldn’t mind at all....

[EasyMoney]

Is Otto porter an Ufa this off season?

[exstatic]

Is Otto porter an Ufa this off season?

He hasn’t even been a league average player in 3 years.

[sananspursfan21]

Sooooooooo, Drummond is probably out in LA. If I recall, we don’t want him. What if he were willing to take a redemption contract in the upper single digits or lower double digits in terms of salary?

[John B]

Sooooooooo, Drummond is probably out in LA. If I recall, we don’t want him. What if he were willing to take a redemption contract in the upper single digits or lower double digits in terms of salary?
No

[ace3g]

Would you sign Torry Craig this offseason who is a FA?

[Atl Spur]

Would you sign Torry Craig this offseason who is a FA?

No thank you:)

[Trueblood]

Turning the attention to teams attaching assets to move contracts for a moment... We've discussed Horford... but what about the Kemba contract? How much would they need to attach to move it into our cap space?

I've thought about this after reading an article on ways we could move up in the draft. They don't mention Kemba, but given the new FO in Boston it would be worth looking into.

The two other options the article gave were: Spurs taking on Wiggins contact for Minnesota's pick or Love for Cleveland's pick.

Honestly I would take either of the latter. We aren't winning a chip in the next two years (the length of each contract) but those picks may be good enough to find a franchise cornerstone that could lead us back.

I'm partial to the Love trade because I think he could run at the 4 and spread the floor with his 3's. With DDR gone his minutes would be freed up and we could have a solid 1-3 rotation with our young guys while still using Johnson as a backup 4 occasionally. Tons of minutes to go around, time to develop the young guys, adds 3 point shooting, and provides a great pick in the process. Doubt they would do it though. They're in no desperation to clear up cap space.

GS might because they are overloaded and moving Wiggins might give them the relief they need to find a quality role player to go with the current roster. They certainly have reasons not to though. Why keep Wiggins for two years then trade him away right at the finish line?

[mo7888]

I've thought about this after reading an article on ways we could move up in the draft. They don't mention Kemba, but given the new FO in Boston it would be worth looking into.

The two other options the article gave were: Spurs taking on Wiggins contact for Minnesota's pick or Love for Cleveland's pick.

Honestly I would take either of the latter. We aren't winning a chip in the next two years (the length of each contract) but those picks may be good enough to find a franchise cornerstone that could lead us back.

I'm partial to the Love trade because I think he could run at the 4 and spread the floor with his 3's. With DDR gone his minutes would be freed up and we could have a solid 1-3 rotation with our young guys while still using Johnson as a backup 4 occasionally. Tons of minutes to go around, time to develop the young guys, adds 3 point shooting, and provides a great pick in the process. Doubt they would do it though. They're in no desperation to clear up cap space.

GS might because they are overloaded and moving Wiggins might give them the relief they need to find a quality role player to go with the current roster. They certainly have reasons not to though. Why keep Wiggins for two years then trade him away right at the finish line?

I'd consider any of those if the consideration attached was substantial enough. I'd love to get into the top 5...

[BacktoBasics]

Here we go again with the delusion that a team is willing to give up a lottery pick to shed a contract. It’s not happening. No team has done that after knowing where they pick. Sure it’s been done unintentionally when a team think that the trade returns an asset thats hopeful enough to keep the team out of the lottery but no team is giving anyone a top 10 simply to shed salary. Just stop already.

Lottery picks on shitty teams are 10 times more valuable than cap space. There is no potential free agent going to a lottery team to justify giving away a lottery pick to free up money.

Who? Who is a team like Cleveland going to sign that’s sooo good that it’s worth giving up a high value prospect for cap space. Such a dumb fantasy.

[R. DeMurre]

Here we go again with the delusion that a team is willing to give up a lottery pick to shed a contract. It’s not happening. No team has done that after knowing where they pick. Sure it’s been done unintentionally when a team think that the trade returns an asset thats hopeful enough to keep the team out of the lottery but no team is giving anyone a top 10 simply to shed salary. Just stop already.

Lottery picks on shitty teams are 10 times more valuable than cap space. There is no potential free agent going to a lottery team to justify giving away a lottery pick to free up money.

Who? Who is a team like Cleveland going to sign that’s sooo good that it’s worth giving up a high value prospect for cap space. Such a dumb fantasy.

Minnesota kind of did this, except they got D'Angelo Russell while shedding Wiggins + giving up a 1st round pick (and a 2nd rounder). They were optimistic that they'd be better and that pick wouldn't be a lottery pick, but they were wrong about that. I think Golden State is probably too smart to do it, but who knows-- they're in a win now situation with Steph/Klay/Draymond and they have Wiseman... Would an offer of Lonnie Walker for Wiggins + pick at least be entertained? Maybe? Lonnie + 2nd rd pick? I hate to say it out loud (and I hope I'm wrong), but at this point I think Wiggins is kind of the ceiling for Walker, and that Wiggins contract isn't quite as outlandish now compared to two years ago. If the Warrior pick winds up being #7, maybe they think that doesn't necessarily help them next year, and so shedding Wiggins, saving tons of money, and signing a few vets on cheap deals makes sense. But I agree with you-- it's still unlikely. But man, the idea of adding Moses Moody and Franz Wagner sure is a nice daydream.

[BacktoBasics]

Minnesota kind of did this, except they got D'Angelo Russell while shedding Wiggins + giving up a 1st round pick (and a 2nd rounder). They were optimistic that they'd be better and that pick wouldn't be a lottery pick, but they were wrong about that. I think Golden State is probably too smart to do it, but who knows-- they're in a win now situation with Steph/Klay/Draymond and they have Wiseman... Would an offer of Lonnie Walker for Wiggins + pick at least be entertained? Maybe? Lonnie + 2nd rd pick? I hate to say it out loud (and I hope I'm wrong), but at this point I think Wiggins is kind of the ceiling for Walker, and that Wiggins contract isn't quite as outlandish now compared to two years ago. If the Warrior pick winds up being #7, maybe they think that doesn't necessarily help them next year, and so shedding Wiggins, saving tons of money, and signing a few vets on cheap deals makes sense. But I agree with you-- it's still unlikely. But man, the idea of adding Moses Moody and Franz Wagner sure is a nice daydream.
Exactly my point. They did it but returned an all star(perceived) at a position of need and expected much better results. They wouldn’t do that again.

No one will make a trade anywhere near that already knowing their draft position. Not to mention we couldn’t return a player of Russell’s caliber, debatably that is.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1403104806827397126?s=19

Max him out, RJ I said! :lol

[SAGirl]

I've thought about this after reading an article on ways we could move up in the draft. They don't mention Kemba, but given the new FO in Boston it would be worth looking into.

The two other options the article gave were: Spurs taking on Wiggins contact for Minnesota's pick or Love for Cleveland's pick.

Honestly I would take either of the latter. We aren't winning a chip in the next two years (the length of each contract) but those picks may be good enough to find a franchise cornerstone that could lead us back.

I'm partial to the Love trade because I think he could run at the 4 and spread the floor with his 3's. With DDR gone his minutes would be freed up and we could have a solid 1-3 rotation with our young guys while still using Johnson as a backup 4 occasionally. Tons of minutes to go around, time to develop the young guys, adds 3 point shooting, and provides a great pick in the process. Doubt they would do it though. They're in no desperation to clear up cap space.

GS might because they are overloaded and moving Wiggins might give them the relief they need to find a quality role player to go with the current roster. They certainly have reasons not to though. Why keep Wiggins for two years then trade him away right at the finish line?
The Wiggins situation is worth paying attention to. They have certainly tried to move him, but they are in win now mode, they want a player back that can help them win and that’s no one on the Spurs roster for similar salary and no one that other teams would be willing to deal… Maybe a disgruntled star wants a trade and that’s when GSW swoops in with a package. That’s what they are saving their assets and Wiggins for. Otherwise he’s played well enough for them to see if the right opportunity presents itself.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1403104806827397126?s=19

Max him out, RJ I said! :lol
This is starting to get traction… leak likely coming from his agent… hmmm interesting

[R. DeMurre]

The Wiggins situation is worth paying attention to. They have certainly tried to move him, but they are in win now mode, they want a player back that can help them win and that’s no one on the Spurs roster for similar salary and no one that other teams would be willing to deal… Maybe a disgruntled star wants a trade and that’s when GSW swoops in with a package. That’s what they are saving their assets and Wiggins for. Otherwise he’s played well enough for them to see if the right opportunity presents itself.

I don't think they need to match salaries because the Spurs will be under the cap. I haven't checked the specific #s, but I believe something like Wiggins + 1st rd pick for Walker + 2nd rd pick would work.

[SAGirl]

I don't think they need to match salaries because the Spurs will be under the cap. I haven't checked the specific #s, but I believe something like Wiggins + 1st rd pick for Walker + 2nd rd pick would work.
Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I thought, I believe GSW wouldn’t trade Wiggins just to get out from his salary. They want a win now piece back or two. That’s perhaps no one on the Spurs right now.

I think they are waiting for a disgruntled star to move in with an offer. I don’t know who specifically is in their sights or which team, but most likely it’s someone the other team doesn’t want to deal, which is why nothing has happened.

Would Spurs want to deal White and/or Murray for Wiggins and a pick? Would GSW even be interested in that trade? I doubt it, Wiggins has been good enough for them, he’s overpriced but hasn’t been garbage or unplayable. Maybe White or Murray is slightly better than him but neither is a star and it’s not enough of an immediate improvement to make them contenders… Maybe San Antonio isn’t even interested in that either bc they like both White and Murray. I just don’t see that the Spurs have anything GSW would want to get back on win now mode.

[R. DeMurre]

Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I thought, I believe GSW wouldn’t trade Wiggins just to get out from his salary. They want a win now piece back or two. That’s perhaps no one on the Spurs right now.

I think they are waiting for a disgruntled star to move in with an offer. I don’t know who specifically is in their sights or which team, but most likely it’s someone the other team doesn’t want to deal, which is why nothing has happened.

Would Spurs want to deal White and/or Murray for Wiggins and a pick? Would GSW even be interested in that trade? I doubt it, Wiggins has been good enough for them, he’s overpriced but hasn’t been garbage or unplayable. Maybe White or Murray is slightly better than him but neither is a star and it’s not enough of an immediate improvement to make them contenders… Maybe San Antonio isn’t even interested in that either bc they like both White and Murray. I just don’t see that the Spurs have anything GSW would want to get back on win now mode.

The looming tax bill for Golden State is enormous. This explains it better than I can: https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2021/03/14/why-the-golden-state-warriors-salary-cap-might-force-them-to-make-a-big-trade/

I think if the Warriors feel like they can sign a few players to reasonable contracts that actually help them, the chance of unloading Wiggins and saving a whole lot of money becomes possible. It's an interesting scenario, and I can't wait to see what they do. I think if Golden State had a do over, they take Tyrese Haliburton instead of Wiseman, and then the rest of the league is in trouble! It's crazy to think that after everything that's happened, they still might have two lottery picks this year.

[SAGirl]

The looming tax bill for Golden State is enormous. This explains it better than I can: https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2021/03/14/why-the-golden-state-warriors-salary-cap-might-force-them-to-make-a-big-trade/

I think if the Warriors feel like they can sign a few players to reasonable contracts that actually help them, the chance of unloading Wiggins and saving a whole lot of money becomes possible. It's an interesting scenario, and I can't wait to see what they do. I think if Golden State had a do over, they take Tyrese Haliburton instead of Wiseman, and then the rest of the league is in trouble! It's crazy to think that after everything that's happened, they still might have two lottery picks this year.
Good article thanks for sharing. They are in a difficult situation and like the article says the time of reckoning $ is here. Klay’s injury screwed them and not just out of a championship, but they still want to field a good team and that’s not going to happen dumping Wiggins and his deal with a 1st round pick for no one of consequence (Walker in your example).

They could put together a haul, they aren’t going to just use it to shed salary alone which is what some fans were expecting. That’s not happening. At worst they will look to improve their role players.

There are a lot of rumors around Oubre, maybe put in place by his agent to exert pressure on GSW.

At any rate I don’t think Walker is enough to get it done for them, and like I said maybe not even pieces that the Spurs wouldn’t make available would interest them. Still it’s going to be interesting to see what happens.

[Trueblood]

The Wiggins situation is worth paying attention to. They have certainly tried to move him, but they are in win now mode, they want a player back that can help them win and that’s no one on the Spurs roster for similar salary and no one that other teams would be willing to deal… Maybe a disgruntled star wants a trade and that’s when GSW swoops in with a package. That’s what they are saving their assets and Wiggins for. Otherwise he’s played well enough for them to see if the right opportunity presents itself.

I think it's worth the ask. GS probably feels pressure coming off of Klay's injury. They know the window is closing and getting Wiggins salary off the books could let them make a run at a difference maker. I saw that as more probable than Cleveland's deal, but then I read this and it made me think:

"The perfect example might be the Cavaliers and Kevin Love. Cleveland has an interesting young core. They will have to re-sign Jarrett Allen, which will eat into the potential cap space they could create. Because of those two facts, they might be interested in moving Kevin Love and the $60 million over two years that they still owe him to make sure they can bring in someone who actually wants to be there and fits their timeline better. The Spurs could offer to take him on, as long as Cleveland sweetens the pot. Maybe the Cavs send Love and the fifth pick to San Antonio for the 12th pick and a young player, for example."

It's possible they want the space to resign Allen and chase a young piece or two with some cap space (maybe even make a run at Collins?). In essence we would be trading a young player (walker?) and whoever we would get at 12 for love and whoever we get at 5. In my opinion if they would accept we pull that trigger. Gives us a better chance to find a franchise cornerstone.

[SAGirl]

I think it's worth the ask. GS probably feels pressure coming off of Klay's injury. They know the window is closing and getting Wiggins salary off the books could let them make a run at a difference maker. I saw that as more probable than Cleveland's deal, but then I read this and it made me think:

"The perfect example might be the Cavaliers and Kevin Love. Cleveland has an interesting young core. They will have to re-sign Jarrett Allen, which will eat into the potential cap space they could create. Because of those two facts, they might be interested in moving Kevin Love and the $60 million over two years that they still owe him to make sure they can bring in someone who actually wants to be there and fits their timeline better. The Spurs could offer to take him on, as long as Cleveland sweetens the pot. Maybe the Cavs send Love and the fifth pick to San Antonio for the 12th pick and a young player, for example."

It's possible they want the space to resign Allen and chase a young piece or two with some cap space (maybe even make a run at Collins?). In essence we would be trading a young player (walker?) and whoever we would get at 12 for love and whoever we get at 5. In my opinion if they would accept we pull that trigger. Gives us a better chance to find a franchise cornerstone.
IIRC, they already extended Allen (for a ridiculous amount). These kind of articles are written by “journalists” that are really speculating. It doesn’t make sense for Cleveland (a team that needs all the young talent from their picks they can get, in order to sift the gems from the sand) to trade a pick in order to get out from Love’s deal. The most they can hope for is to trade him for a different bad deal, or couple of deals because he’s become a locker room cancer or something like that. I am thinking about how the Grizzlies were finally able to get out from the Chandler Parsons deal (and I do believe he only had one year left, it was an expiring, but honestly I can’t remember that well.)

[TD 21]

IIRC, they already extended Allen (for a ridiculous amount). These kind of articles are written by “journalists” that are really speculating. It doesn’t make sense for Cleveland (a team that needs all the young talent from their picks they can get, in order to sift the gems from the sand) to trade a pick in order to get out from Love’s deal. The most they can hope for is to trade him for a different bad deal, or couple of deals because he’s become a locker room cancer or something like that. I am thinking about how the Grizzlies were finally able to get out from the Chandler Parsons deal (and I do believe he only had one year left, it was an expiring, but honestly I can’t remember that well.)

No, they didn't and as you alluded to, obviously the Cavaliers wouldn't do something that stupid.

I don't know what's worse, the majority of fake trades that fail to take into account why it would make sense for the opposing team(s) or this notion that Walker IV and Samanic have sky high ceilings.

[keithington1]

Any way Spurs can sign Derozan and Chris Paul for 3 years?

Paul Murray Vassell Johnson Poeltl
White Walker Derozan Samanic Sengun
T. Jones KBD Eubanks

[exstatic]

Any way Spurs can sign Derozan and Chris Paul for 3 years?

Paul Murray Vassell Johnson Poeltl
White Walker Derozan Samanic Sengun
T. Jones KBD Eubanks

No. Paul put himself on the players committee for the express purpose of changing the rules on number of years on contracts for players over 35. He wanted to get paid, and will not give any kind of discount. He’ll also cost north of $40 M, like 85-90%of our cap room. DeRozan ain’t coming off the bench, either.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol Can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I think my favorite free agent right now is Lonzo Ball. He's restricted, and I imagine that someone will overpay him, but a 6'6" PG who averages about 14/6/5, shoots the three, and at age 23 just posted the best advanced stats of his career so far. He's big enough to make a back court of Murray/White/Ball viable, and he increases a team's chance of landing LaMelo in the future. I really can't picture the Ball Circus ever moving to San Antonio, but if you take away the tabloid carnival atmosphere, he's a pretty good young player, and certainly better & younger than Kelly Oubre.

[mo7888]

:lol Can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I think my favorite free agent right now is Lonzo Ball. He's restricted, and I imagine that someone will overpay him, but a 6'6" PG who averages about 14/6/5, shoots the three, and at age 23 just posted the best advanced stats of his career so far. He's big enough to make a back court of Murray/White/Ball viable, and he increases a team's chance of landing LaMelo in the future. I really can't picture the Ball Circus ever moving to San Antonio, but if you take away the tabloid carnival atmosphere, he's a pretty good young player, and certainly better & younger than Kelly Oubre.

I know it's not popular here but, I do like Lonzo a good bit. I can't see him fitting with DJ at all though and neither would be happy coming off the bench so unless there's a deal in place that moves DJ I can't see it working here.

[KobesAchilles]

I know it's not popular here but, I do like Lonzo a good bit. I can't see him fitting with DJ at all though and neither would be happy coming off the bench so unless there's a deal in place that moves DJ I can't see it working here.
As a rule, I’m against guards who can’t get to the line. It’s part of why I’m higher on Derrick over DJ. But as abysmal as DJ is at getting to the line he is still twice as good at it than Lonzo. How do you only shoot 1.2 free throws a game when you have the ball every possession? There was also a stretch where the offense looked a lot better with Zion handling/bringing up the ball rather than Lonzo. I don’t know how to take that. Also he is pretty injury prone. Nothing major but just a lot nagging injuries where he misses 20 games a season.

Having both Lonzo and DJ on the team makes zero sense. I will credit Lonzo where he has become a slightly above average 3 point shooter. But he doesn’t exactly break down defenses, he doesn’t get to the line, he somehow averaged less than 6 assists a game when he has the premier lob player in the league, and he doesn’t really know how to play the game of basketball.

[The Truth #6]

As a rule, I’m against guards who can’t get to the line. It’s part of why I’m higher on Derrick over DJ. But as abysmal as DJ is at getting to the line he is still twice as good at it than Lonzo. How do you only shoot 1.2 free throws a game when you have the ball every possession? There was also a stretch where the offense looked a lot better with Zion handling/bringing up the ball rather than Lonzo. I don’t know how to take that. Also he is pretty injury prone. Nothing major but just a lot nagging injuries where he misses 20 games a season.

Having both Lonzo and DJ on the team makes zero sense. I will credit Lonzo where he has become a slightly above average 3 point shooter. But he doesn’t exactly break down defenses, he doesn’t get to the line, he somehow averaged less than 6 assists a game when he has the premier lob player in the league, and he doesn’t really know how to play the game of basketball.

But other than all that, you’re ok with him?

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[slick'81]

But other than all that, you’re ok with him?

:rollin

[PhantomDashCam]

Lonzo's gotta be headed to the Knicks right?

I think he is a good player but is best suited to playing with the ball in his hands.

When I look at the Pace Adv. Stats on NBA.com - NY ranked 30th so then again, maybe not such a great fit. :lol

[The Truth #6]

Lonzo's gotta be headed to the Knicks right?

I think he is a good player but is best suited to playing with the ball in his hands.

When I look at the Pace Adv. Stats on NBA.com - NY ranked 30th so then again, maybe not such a great fit. :lol

Hopefully after the Knicks sign DDR, there’s still enough money for Lonzo! Though can’t see Thibs taking on that defensive nightmare. But let’s hope because I can’t think of any other team interested. I mean, maybe the Lakers try a last push with Lebron and sign DDR.

[KobesAchilles]

But other than all that, you’re ok with him?
:lol

[Trueblood]

No, they didn't and as you alluded to, obviously the Cavaliers wouldn't do something that stupid.

I don't know what's worse, the majority of fake trades that fail to take into account why it would make sense for the opposing team(s) or this notion that Walker IV and Samanic have sky high ceilings.

So hypothetically speaking, two years ago, if you could have moved back 5 spots in the draft to get out of LA's contract would you have done it? Obviously LA was never as openly disgruntled as Love and we would be offering a young prospect. Obviously there isn't much in the FA market for them to throw cap space at, but you don't know exactly what they value. Maybe they would like it because they may want the space to make a run at Collins? Bottom line, you can't get told no unless you ask.

[TD 21]

So hypothetically speaking, two years ago, if you could have moved back 5 spots in the draft to get out of LA's contract would you have done it? Obviously LA was never as openly disgruntled as Love and we would be offering a young prospect. Obviously there isn't much in the FA market for them to throw cap space at, but you don't know exactly what they value. Maybe they would like it because they may want the space to make a run at Collins? Bottom line, you can't get told no unless you ask.

Yeah, but also don't want to insult teams with ridiculous offers.

I definitely wouldn't have executed your hypothetical because it wouldn't have served any purpose.

[jjspur]

The Knicks...are you kidding. Thibbs is a really intense coach. He'd slap DeRozen across the head with one hand and Lonzo across the head with the other hand for not playing defense. Sure the Knicks have some money this summer, but those two would give Thibbs a heart attack. I'm sure cooler heads will prevail in NY, and I'm not even a Knicks fan.

[The Truth #6]

The Knicks...are you kidding. Thibbs is a really intense coach. He'd slap DeRozen across the head with one hand and Lonzo across the head with the other hand for not playing defense. Sure the Knicks have some money this summer, but those two would give Thibbs a heart attack. I'm sure cooler heads will prevail in NY, and I'm not even a Knicks fan.

Agree totally, but I hope they make DDR an offer and make sure there is no chance he signs here.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1405599344720420866

[Trueblood]

Yeah, but also don't want to insult teams with ridiculous offers.

I definitely wouldn't have executed your hypothetical because it wouldn't have served any purpose.

Agree to disagree I guess my friend. I would agree that it doesn't serve a purpose if you don't Have someone in mind to use that cap space on. But if there are free agents that you want & believe would come then I would absolutely pull the trigger.

[Leetonidas]

Rick Carlisle is a free agent now

[exstatic]

Rick Carlisle is a free agent now

Rick Carlisle is the white Doc Rivers, a coach who’s riding a decade old championship.

[TD 21]

Agree to disagree I guess my friend. I would agree that it doesn't serve a purpose if you don't Have someone in mind to use that cap space on. But if there are free agents that you want & believe would come then I would absolutely pull the trigger.

I got it. But keep in mind, their goal then, as it is now, was to undergo a "soft rebuild" and at the time, a late prime Aldridge was better than any free agent(s) they could realistically sign.

[Leetonidas]

Rick Carlisle is the white Doc Rivers, a coach who’s riding a decade old championship.

Maybe but unlike Doc his rosters have been garbage since that 2011 ring. Mavs were not favored to beat the Clips this year or last year. Their shortcomings aren't squarely because his coaching sucks

[ace3g]

Woj hints at more coaching changes

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Rick Carlisle suddenly becomes a prominent candidate in a head coaching marketplace that includes six current openings -- and maybe more to come.

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Rick Carlisle -- who led Dallas to the 2011 NBA championship -- informed Mavericks owner Mark Cuban today that he won't be returning as coach next season, Carlisle told ESPN. Carlisle had two years left on his contract. He spent 13 seasons as Mavericks coach.


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[exstatic]

Maybe but unlike Doc his rosters have been garbage since that 2011 ring. Mavs were not favored to beat the Clips this year or last year. Their shortcomings aren't squarely because his coaching sucks

I don’t think he sucks, but I do think he’s overrated/overvalued.

Wonder WTF is going on in Dallas? Maybe CATFO finally had enough of Cuban and his meddling ways?

[Seventyniner]

Since Carlisle still has two years left on his contract, Cuban could be a total asshole and say he can't coach anywhere else. There isn't anything to gain by doing so, but Cuban isn't always rational.

[Realdeal1]

I know it’s a pipe dream but damn with all the current news of disgruntled stars … any chance Spurs make a move for one of these guys

Luka
Damian Lillard
Joel Embiid
Zion

[rjv]

coaching free agency is probably going to be more exciting than the player free agency.

[John B]

Woj hints at more coaching changes

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Rick Carlisle suddenly becomes a prominent candidate in a head coaching marketplace that includes six current openings -- and maybe more to come.

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Rick Carlisle -- who led Dallas to the 2011 NBA championship -- informed Mavericks owner Mark Cuban today that he won't be returning as coach next season, Carlisle told ESPN. Carlisle had two years left on his contract. He spent 13 seasons as Mavericks coach.


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There has to be more unfolding here. I don't think Carlisle would just leave his 2 years contract remaining, and the team you brought a championship ring.

[Dejounte]

People forget about all the sexual assault allegations within the Dallas org?

[Dejounte]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/doylerader/2020/07/29/sports-illustrated-report-dallas-mavericks-another-sexual-harassment-scandal/amp/

[The Truth #6]

Hard to say if Carlisle would be a good fit here with a dysfunctional rebuild. Probably. But his style might be too close to Pop’s.

[jjspur]

I don’t think he sucks, but I do think he’s overrated/overvalued.

Wonder WTF is going on in Dallas? Maybe CATFO finally had enough of Cuban and his meddling ways?

What really sucks is the owner getting involved so much that the coach ends up quitting. That's never good. Isn't Jerry Jones the cowboys owner like that also. Must be something in the Dallas water.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Kemba and Bos 2021 first for Al Horford apparently. Brad Stevens doing work quickly. Perhaps Marcus Smart is next.

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1405599344720420866

Nice article for the most part. I like Petrini. But he avoids mentioning two important factors, at least to me:

1. Signing a guy to a max deal who can’t carry the team is going to be horrible for team morale. Teams have a pecking order, and the one positive of DDR is that he was the obvious leader/alpha, and I think our team morale was actually great this year as younger players fell in line because of that, at least in part. Patty and Rudy had a role too.

2. Why further thwart Luka’s development? Luka could fit the same role as Collins at a much cheaper price. Unfortunately the team avoided getting the answer to this question this year, but if you sign Collins, you might as well call Luka a wasted draft pick because the team failed to develop him.

[exstatic]

Kemba and Bos 2021 first for Al Horford apparently. Brad Stevens doing work quickly. Perhaps Marcus Smart is next.

This is a trade Ainge should have made at the deadline. They really needed a stretch big for the late season and playoffs. It also gets OKC off the hook for maybe sitting him this year. They can sit Kemba for stretches, because of his injury history.

[PhantomDashCam]

Kemba and Bos 2021 first for Al Horford apparently. Brad Stevens doing work quickly. Perhaps Marcus Smart is next.

So now with #4 (if holds), #16 and #18 in the first round… I wonder if they are going to package those mid rounders to move up some?

Fascinating draft study. I wonder what the morale is like in OKC?

[Dex]

So now with #4 (if holds), #16 and #18 in the first round… I wonder if they are going to package those mid rounders to move up some?

Fascinating draft study. I wonder what the morale is like in OKC?

Does it matter? :lol They can just draft a whole new team in the next two years.

[exstatic]

So now with #4 (if holds), #16 and #18 in the first round… I wonder if they are going to package those mid rounders to move up some?

Fascinating draft study. I wonder what the morale is like in OKC?

If Houston’s pick gets knocked out of the top 3 in the drawing, they get to swap #18 for it, too. I’ve run TaT simulations wher OKC winds up with like 4 and 5.

[Ocotillo]

2. Why further thwart Luka’s development? Luka could fit the same role as Collins at a much cheaper price. Unfortunately the team avoided getting the answer to this question this year, but if you sign Collins, you might as well call Luka a wasted draft pick because the team failed to develop him.

I hear you but we are paper thin in depth at the 4 so adding Collins likely means Luke won't be starting but Collins is a known quantity whereas Luke remains "potential". I have high hopes for him as well but even in Atlanta they have Hunter and Reddish as well. If they didn't do Collins, odds are some veteran will be brought in and be the starting four.

[4lifecowboy]

Is Marvin Bagley III a option we should be looking into, the Kings tried to trade him this season.

[exstatic]

Is Marvin Bagley III a option we should be looking into, the Kings tried to trade him this season.
There’s a reason they’re trying to trade him. Actually reasonS. He’s vastly underperformed his draft slot, he’s coming up on a payday, and he’s another one with a difficult family. With a #2 overall pick, you’re wanting a potential All Star, not someone who FINALLY starts in his 3rd season. His pay for next year is north of $11M, and he’s going to want a phat extension. This is another case where if he were picked in the middle of the first, he’d be OK. His numbers are very pedestrian AND consistent: 14p/7r. He’s an MLE player, but he won’t take that.

[4lifecowboy]

There’s a reason they’re trying to trade him. Actually reasonS. He’s vastly underperformed his draft slot, he’s coming up on a payday, and he’s another one with a difficult family. With a #2 overall pick, you’re wanting a potential All Star, not someone who FINALLY starts in his 3rd season. His pay for next year is north of $11M, and he’s going to want a phat extension. This is another case where if he were picked in the middle of the first, he’d be OK. His numbers are very pedestrian AND consistent: 14p/7r. He’s an MLE player, but he won’t take that.

I understand all that, and it is a gamble, but he is young, he does have size, and mobility few 6'10 ers have. If he doesn't work out let him walk the following year. I mean he has played for the Kings his entire career, have they ever developed a star player?

[exstatic]

I understand all that, and it is a gamble, but he is young, he does have size, and mobility few 6'10 ers have. If he doesn't work out let him walk the following year. I mean he has played for the Kings his entire career, have they ever developed a star player?

Demarcus Cousins? Currently, D’Aaron Fox.

You can find two players in the draft that can fit your size and mobility requirements, and they’ll be cheap, and available in the middle to the end of the first round: Isaiah Jackson and Kai Jones. There’s nothing he has that they don’t.

Kings won’t give him away for free, so your one year trial is a non-starter. It’s like a game of musical chairs: you don’t want to be the team that realizes that he’s not worth the extension, you want to be the team the next summer that signs him to like 3/$24M.

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't watch Kings basketball. Can Bagley hit the 3? I mean naturally not awkward.

[JeffDuncan]

There’s a reason they’re trying to trade him. Actually reasonS. He’s vastly underperformed his draft slot, ...

Not relevant to the Spurs since they didn’t draft him.



... he’s another one with a difficult family.

That’s something to check carefully.



His pay for next year is north of $11M, ... His numbers are very pedestrian AND consistent: 14p/7r. He’s an MLE player, but he won’t take that.

The Spurs paid Rudy Gay more than that for significantly worse stats. $14M/11.4p/4.8r

Bagley made the all rookie team. He has the size to play pf and occasionally center. He’s left handed, which can be an advantage, since defenders are accustomed to right handed players. He shot 34% from the arc, which is good enough to indicate he might improve further. He’s young enough, at 22, to develop a lot, depending on his personality — is he dedicated? He was lousy from the ft line, 58%. Needs more training and practice, clearly. He’s worth a more detailed in-depth look as a trade possibility.

About his family, his grandfather is Jumpin’ Joe Caldwell, who coincidentally was also a #2 draft pick, and made the NBA all rookie team. Jumpin Joe was all-NBA once and made the all-defensive team twice. A little trivia fwiw.

[exstatic]

I don't watch Kings basketball. Can Bagley hit the 3? I mean naturally not awkward.

Career 30%. He hit 34% this year, 2.5 atts per game. Not a sniper.

[The Truth #6]

I hear you but we are paper thin in depth at the 4 so adding Collins likely means Luke won't be starting but Collins is a known quantity whereas Luke remains "potential". I have high hopes for him as well but even in Atlanta they have Hunter and Reddish as well. If they didn't do Collins, odds are some veteran will be brought in and be the starting four.

That’s valid. I suppose it depends on what they want to do with Rudy as well, and if they want to change Keldon’s role.

[TD 21]

Sensible trade for both teams. The Celtics now need to attempt to trade Thompson, re-sign Fournier and sign a rotational PG. Meanwhile, the Thunder continue their master class on re-building.

Obviously nothing is guaranteed and this might not ultimately end up as good as it looks potentially promising, but I'd still rather have a bona fide cornerstone in tow (Gilgeous-Alexander) and umpteen high quality assets/flexibility than be the rudderless Spurs.



2. Why further thwart Luka’s development? Luka could fit the same role as Collins at a much cheaper price. Unfortunately the team avoided getting the answer to this question this year, but if you sign Collins, you might as well call Luka a wasted draft pick because the team failed to develop him.

:lmao Samanic has yet to prove he's an NBA player and wasn't a high enough pick or pedigreed enough prospect at any point that any team would or should hand him a starting job.

Collins (Markkanen is far more likely) wouldn't "thwart" his development, as barring the outcome of the draft they don't have a backup option and I'd be surprised if that changes during the draft.

[The Truth #6]

Sensible trade for both teams. The Celtics now need to attempt to trade Thompson, re-sign Fournier and sign a rotational PG. Meanwhile, the Thunder continue their master class on re-building.

Obviously nothing is guaranteed and this might not ultimately end up as good as it looks potentially promising, but I'd still rather have a bona fide cornerstone in tow (Gilgeous-Alexander) and umpteen high quality assets/flexibility than be the rudderless Spurs.




:lmao Samanic has yet to prove he's an NBA player and wasn't a high enough pick or pedigreed enough prospect at any point that any team would or should hand him a starting job.

Collins (Markkanen is far more likely) wouldn't "thwart" his development, as barring the outcome of the draft they don't have a backup option and I'd be surprised if that changes during the draft.

Obviously, he isn’t proven. Lot of unknowns. What is known? We are going to suck next year. It’s called rebuilding. If you want to commit to Collins or Markanen, and see how great they are, hey, be my guest. They both seem overrated to me.

[BacktoBasics]

Sensible trade for both teams. The Celtics now need to attempt to trade Thompson, re-sign Fournier and sign a rotational PG. Meanwhile, the Thunder continue their master class on re-building.

Obviously nothing is guaranteed and this might not ultimately end up as good as it looks potentially promising, but I'd still rather have a bona fide cornerstone in tow (Gilgeous-Alexander) and umpteen high quality assets/flexibility than be the rudderless Spurs.




:lmao Samanic has yet to prove he's an NBA player and wasn't a high enough pick or pedigreed enough prospect at any point that any team would or should hand him a starting job.

Collins (Markkanen is far more likely) wouldn't "thwart" his development, as barring the outcome of the draft they don't have a backup option and I'd be surprised if that changes during the draft.

OKCs moves look good on paper but you can’t call it a master class until you know how it ends up. Tanking has never really worked out like some here seem to fantasize about. Philly is the closest team to making it look successful and that’s debatable.

[tbdog]

Thunder gonna have to add multiple picks to move up the draft. I think that is their plan. But even then that would be hard to do to jump up high.

[exstatic]

Thunder gonna have to add multiple picks to move up the draft. I think that is their plan. But even then that would be hard to do to jump up high.

Their own pick should be high, and if Houston’s gets knocked out of the top 3, OKC can swap #18 for it.

[exstatic]

Thunder gonna have to add multiple picks to move up the draft. I think that is their plan. But even then that would be hard to do to jump up high.

Their own pick should be high, and if Houston’s gets knocked out of the top 4, OKC can swap #18 for it.

[TD 21]

Obviously, he isn’t proven. Lot of unknowns. What is known? We are going to suck next year. It’s called rebuilding. If you want to commit to Collins or Markanen, and see how great they are, hey, be my guest. They both seem overrated to me.

I'm saying, players in his predicament don't just get handed starting jobs or have the path cleared for them.

I didn't say I wanted Markkanen, I said he's probably the most likely outcome. Either way, they'll bring in a starting four of some sort and Samanic will have an opportunity to earn minutes off the bench.



OKCs moves look good on paper but you can’t call it a master class until you know how it ends up. Tanking has never really worked out like some here seem to fantasize about. Philly is the closest team to making it look successful and that’s debatable.

Nah, I can because they've given themselves the best possible chance to build a good or better team.

Tanking gives one greater odds of securing a franchise player and since most markets can't attract them via free agency or trade, it's vital they do so via the draft. It's either that or relying on being the team to pick the needle out of the haystack.

The 76ers, while never a contender, are a resounding success. They got a superstar and a star (albeit highly flawed), they're just the worst possible fit together. But you don't get to pick your stars.

[The Truth #6]

I'm saying, players in his predicament don't just get handed starting jobs or have the path cleared for them.

I didn't say I wanted Markkanen, I said he's probably the most likely outcome. Either way, they'll bring in a starting four of some sort and Samanic will have an opportunity to earn minutes off the bench.

I hear what you're saying, and in general I would agree, but, for example, didn't Lyles just walk right in off the trash heap and start immediately? I mean, he had zero familiarity with the team. To me, that is more shocking than Luka getting a starting gig next year. I admit that it would still be odd. But then I look at the options: re-signing Gay and trotting him out again, or overpaying for Markannen, or letting Luka start and embrace our rebuild. I've been advocating what I prefer. Guessing what the FO and Coach does is a different discussion. Maybe we're expecting a FA signing and they surprise us with a trade. We'll see.

[NickiRasgo]

OKCs moves look good on paper but you can’t call it a master class until you know how it ends up. Tanking has never really worked out like some here seem to fantasize about. Philly is the closest team to making it look successful and that’s debatable.

Jazz was supposed to be a lottery team for a while after Hayward left. Made a pretty simple move in the draft within that offseason and fast forward today, even made them better long-term. They even made the playoffs on the first year without Hayward.

[exstatic]

Jazz was supposed to be a lottery team for a while after Hayward left. Made a pretty simple move in the draft within that offseason and fast forward today, even made them better long-term. They even made the playoffs on the first year without Hayward.

They were a lottery team the last 4 years Hayward was there. It wasn’t really stretch to say they’d be one the year after he left. They captured lightning in a bottle with the Mitchell pick, with an assist from Denver. No one will do us such a solid. They’re jealous, and tired of hearing about us being the model franchise.

No
One
Will
Help
Us
Out.

[slick'81]

They were a lottery team the last 4 years Hayward was there. It wasn’t really stretch to say they’d be one the year after he left. They captured lightning in a bottle with the Mitchell pick, with an assist from Denver. No one will do us such a solid. They’re jealous, and tired of hearing about us being the model franchise.

No
One
Will
Help
Us
Out.


This.there is no mythical trade that will present itself and magically catapult the spurs.spurs are going to have to do this hard way build through the draft ,and hope they get lucky in fa

[BacktoBasics]

I'm saying, players in his predicament don't just get handed starting jobs or have the path cleared for them.

I didn't say I wanted Markkanen, I said he's probably the most likely outcome. Either way, they'll bring in a starting four of some sort and Samanic will have an opportunity to earn minutes off the bench.




Nah, I can because they've given themselves the best possible chance to build a good or better team.

Tanking gives one greater odds of securing a franchise player and since most markets can't attract them via free agency or trade, it's vital they do so via the draft. It's either that or relying on being the team to pick the needle out of the haystack.

The 76ers, while never a contender, are a resounding success. They got a superstar and a star (albeit highly flawed), they're just the worst possible fit together. But you don't get to pick your stars.

Bit of a flawed argument when you move the goal posts from “master class” to simply giving themselves the best possible chance.

My whole point is that tanking as a path to long term success has little to know actual examples that have played out like some here seem to think it will. I’m not talking about a single season where things fell apart late in the season. Some here want to see us tank across multiple seasons. Like Philly. Like OKC. It’s never really worked.

[BacktoBasics]

Jazz was supposed to be a lottery team for a while after Hayward left. Made a pretty simple move in the draft within that offseason and fast forward today, even made them better long-term. They even made the playoffs on the first year without Hayward.

I get your point. Not really an example of tanking though. If anything it’s more of an example how our team has approached things than it does tanking.

As much as I’d love a top 5 pick I think tanking and moving assets to move up isn’t really in our best interest. I’m not opposed to a trade but not if it means moving multiple young players to inch up in the draft. Those aren’t prudent moves which is why we don’t see it from our front office.

[exstatic]

I get your point. Not really an example of tanking though. If anything it’s more of an example how our team has approached things than it does tanking.

As much as I’d love a top 5 pick I think tanking and moving assets to move up isn’t really in our best interest. I’m not opposed to a trade but not if it means moving multiple young players to inch up in the draft. Those aren’t prudent moves which is why we don’t see it from our front office.

No one in the top 5 of a 3+2 draft is moving down out of the top 5. If you’re OKC sitting on like 6, 16 and 18, I’m sorry, you’re not getting into the top 5. I don’t care if you parlay 16+18 into #9, you’re not getting into the top 5.

No one else is worth spending assets to move up. You’re just as likely to strike lottery gold at 14 as at 6, Spurs more than anyone.

[mo7888]

What about Gary Trent Jr? I see Bobby Mark's projects his salary at $14M per...we'd have to overpay to get Toronto to pass. If we max Collins and overpay for Trent... what would you think of a DJ, Trent, KJ, JC, Jak lineup? It's pretty balanced and can spread the floor....

[BacktoBasics]

No one in the top 5 of a 3+2 draft is moving down out of the top 5. If you’re OKC sitting on like 6, 16 and 18, I’m sorry, you’re not getting into the top 5. I don’t care if you parlay 16+18 into #9, you’re not getting into the top 5.

No one else is worth spending assets to move up. You’re just as likely to strike lottery gold at 14 as at 6, Spurs more than anyone.
Completely agree. I wasn’t fixated on top 5 either. I’m not super hot on moving any of our young players to move up.

[TD 21]

I hear what you're saying, and in general I would agree, but, for example, didn't Lyles just walk right in off the trash heap and start immediately? I mean, he had zero familiarity with the team. To me, that is more shocking than Luka getting a starting gig next year. I admit that it would still be odd. But then I look at the options: re-signing Gay and trotting him out again, or overpaying for Markannen, or letting Luka start and embrace our rebuild. I've been advocating what I prefer. Guessing what the FO and Coach does is a different discussion. Maybe we're expecting a FA signing and they surprise us with a trade. We'll see.

Lyles was/is a young veteran who'd proven to be a (minimal) NBA player, they wanted to bring Gay off the bench and needed a floor spacing four, so like Forbes, he started by default.

"Overpaying" Markannen or whoever is irrelevant because it's not going to hamstring them. They have tons of cap space, you've got to spend at least 90% of the cap anyway and they won't use space as a dumping ground for dead money to extract draft capital.



Bit of a flawed argument when you move the goal posts from “master class” to simply giving themselves the best possible chance.

My whole point is that tanking as a path to long term success has little to know actual examples that have played out like some here seem to think it will. I’m not talking about a single season where things fell apart late in the season. Some here want to see us tank across multiple seasons. Like Philly. Like OKC. It’s never really worked.

I didn't move anything. Giving themselves the best possible chance is the master class. How it turns out is mostly luck.

Neither does any other path. At least with tanking, you give yourself the best possible chance to find a foundational player.

The way they've done this, if their youth is as good as they seem to think, they could conceivably tank for one season, get a foundational player and immediately be on the way back up, a la the Grizzlies.

[Em-City]

Nice article for the most part. I like Petrini. But he avoids mentioning two important factors, at least to me:

1. Signing a guy to a max deal who can’t carry the team is going to be horrible for team morale. Teams have a pecking order, and the one positive of DDR is that he was the obvious leader/alpha, and I think our team morale was actually great this year as younger players fell in line because of that, at least in part. Patty and Rudy had a role too.

2. Why further thwart Luka’s development? Luka could fit the same role as Collins at a much cheaper price. Unfortunately the team avoided getting the answer to this question this year, but if you sign Collins, you might as well call Luka a wasted draft pick because the team failed to develop him.

Great counter arguments.. also worth considering if a high upside PF Falls to SA the draft.

[dbestpro]

Spurs should use cap space to take on bad contracts while picking up draft capital.

[cjw]

Spurs should use cap space to take on bad contracts while picking up draft capital.

This is kind of where I am. Get future firsts and see how the current crop develops, then supplement in coming drafts with cost controlled players. Trade guys out if they don’t fit long term plan. But by bad contracts, keep it to ones expiring in next two years, and nothing more.

[Dejounte]

Until something is established, they should continue in investing in journeymen who will provide veteran leadership, IMO.

[Dex]

One more day until we get disappointed by the lottery, woot woot

[LeBowen]

Until something is established, they should continue in investing in journeymen who will provide veteran leadership, IMO.

I'd take Batum, would be a great upgrade over Rudy and would bring veteran leadership we need.

[exstatic]

I'd take Batum, would be a great upgrade over Rudy and would bring veteran leadership we need.

Batum is washed.

[LeBowen]

Batum is washed.

He obviously isn't as good as he once was, but he'd be a great role player for us.
40% from 3 on 4.5 attempts per game in the playoffs.

9.4/6.1/2.2 with 1.6 steals in 32mpg.

Does a bit of everything, spaces the floor and has no ego.
Can't find a better role player than that.

[NickiRasgo]

I get your point. Not really an example of tanking though. If anything it’s more of an example how our team has approached things than it does tanking.

As much as I’d love a top 5 pick I think tanking and moving assets to move up isn’t really in our best interest. I’m not opposed to a trade but not if it means moving multiple young players to inch up in the draft. Those aren’t prudent moves which is why we don’t see it from our front office.

What I mean is the Jazz didn't even need to tank and made them better surprisingly long-term while the 76ers, "Trust The Process", still failing and what's worse is that they can't even past 2nd round esp. this playoffs when they got beaten by a younger team who are also missing their 2 young key players.

[exstatic]

He obviously isn't as good as he once was, but he'd be a great role player for us.
40% from 3 on 4.5 attempts per game in the playoffs.

9.4/6.1/2.2 with 1.6 steals in 32mpg.

Does a bit of everything, spaces the floor and has no ego.
Can't find a better role player than that.

Harrison Barnes. 16/6.5/3.5. Shot 39% from outside. Sacto is looking to move off his contract to pay their youngsters.

[NickiRasgo]

They were a lottery team the last 4 years Hayward was there. It wasn’t really stretch to say they’d be one the year after he left. They captured lightning in a bottle with the Mitchell pick, with an assist from Denver. No one will do us such a solid. They’re jealous, and tired of hearing about us being the model franchise.

No
One
Will
Help
Us
Out.

Yeah. They are bad before 2016-2017 but surprisingly recovered quickly in that same offseason, well it's not like they already foresee it. Mitchell had a slow start. I remembered picking him up in NBA Fantasy and was patient holding him until after a month, I was lucky. I had him in 2 of my fantasy league.

It's not like the Spurs are gonna make a trade but having a pick between 10-15 is not bad, historically a lot of players made a huge impact on a team in that range like what I've given as an example - Jazz. Hope the Spurs get lucky this draft since their core are decent as a complimentary players. I wasn't high on Vassell as a pick last year but I think it's fine. Hope they get something good this year as a potential legitimate scorer / go-to-guy - asking for a potential star is too much but hopefully.

[Seventyniner]

This deep run by the Hawks will probably push them to match any offer for Collins up to the max. That doesn't mean it's a good idea, it's just how these things usually work.

[mo7888]

This deep run by the Hawks will probably push them to match any offer for Collins up to the max. That doesn't mean it's a good idea, it's just how these things usually work.

If that's the case then we should make a play for Hunter...they can't pay everyone and one of them will likely get moved at some point..

[Dejounte]

If that's the case then we should make a play for Hunter...they can't pay everyone and one of them will likely get moved at some point..

Bogdanovich is the odd man out and would solve the financial woes, IMO. If we go by fan reception, Hunter is highly regarded.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If that's the case then we should make a play for Hunter...they can't pay everyone and one of them will likely get moved at some point..

Hunter is only in his second year. They'll be able to pay him when the time comes after Danilo's contract expires.

Huerter and Reddish are the players they'll likely look to trade.

[Dejounte]

Hunter is only in his second year. They'll be able to pay him when the time comes after Danilo's contract expires.

Huerter and Reddish are the players they'll likely look to trade.

Huerter is riding high right now and is being looked at as a franchise player lmao

[exstatic]

Huerter is riding high right now and is being looked at as a franchise player lmao

He’s not one, but could be a nice Kyle Korver/JJ Redick type of gravity shooter.

[mo7888]

Bogdanovich is the odd man out and would solve the financial woes, IMO. If we go by fan reception, Hunter is highly regarded.

I don't think they'll move Bogdanovic but, if they do we should be very interested

[mo7888]

Hunter is only in his second year. They'll be able to pay him when the time comes after Danilo's contract expires.

Huerter and Reddish are the players they'll likely look to trade.

He's extention eligible next summer...they won't give him away but they might consider an offer if the resign JC.

[widowmaker]

This deep run by the Hawks will probably push them to match any offer for Collins up to the max. That doesn't mean it's a good idea, it's just how these things usually work.


Yeah i don’t see Atlanta just letting him walk without trying to match whatever teams throw at him they have gone too far.

[FutureMan]

Offer him the max and force Atlanta to match then. We don’t have a player like Young to be worrying about cap space.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1407157574982643715?s=21

feels like KBD will be back

[slick'81]

One more day until we get disappointed by the lottery, woot woot

odds are def not in our favor,but after kawhi sa is due for some good ol fashioned luck:smokin