Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[John B]

https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1420163257495658496?s=19

Well, well, well...

He also said he wants to play for a championship… the Wizards :lol

[EasyMoney]

But if there is truth to this... he is supposedly close to beal, then perhaps he wants to make his own super team, since he knows he financially can't go to the Lakers or Clippers.

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/namundy/status/1420414651586723841?s=21

Sixers wanted 4 1st round picks, 3 pick swaps and a young player for Simmons :drunk

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/namundy/status/1420414651586723841?s=21

Sixers wanted 4 1st round picks, 3 pick swaps and a young player for Simmons :drunk

Too much. I'd do not much more than #12, DJ, and Lonnie

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/namundy/status/1420414651586723841?s=21

Sixers wanted 4 1st round picks, 3 pick swaps and a young player for Simmons :drunk

Sixers are fucking delusional on Simmons value at this point. Dude just proved he is a broken "star" play, and they are expecting either a proven star player or a haul in return.

Good luck with your non-shooting point guard next season, Philly.

[mo7888]

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/examining-potential-landing-spots-for-dejounte-murray

[lmbebo]

Too much. I'd do not much more than #12, DJ, and Lonnie


Too much. Top 20 protected 1st and DJ. That contract is an albatross

[CGD]

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/examining-potential-landing-spots-for-dejounte-murray

Collin Sexton huh?

[mo7888]

Collin Sexton huh?

That was one of his proposals... CJ McCollum was another... I don't think he had any sources for those...just speculation like everyone else is doing.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/matthew_tynan/status/1420581662048595968?s=21

Wtf!!

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan/status/1420582809656307714

[Degoat]

Omg!!! Interesting, I love the nba off-season

[Dejounte]

If the Spurs do indeed get future draft picks from the Lakers... those are going to be EXTREMELY valuable with the short window they have with LeBron.

[Degoat]

If the Spurs do indeed get future draft picks from the Lakers... those are going to be EXTREMELY valuable with the short window they have with LeBron.

For sure!! The thing that would be a little disappointing is the Lakers must want 12 so we wouldn’t be drafting there anymore

[bluebellmaniac]

For sure!! The thing that would be a little disappointing is the Lakers must want 12 so we wouldn’t be drafting there anymore

Nah, they want to clear cap space. They want DDR and maybe another vet.

[objective]

Kuzma loves LA so much he unprompted bashes small markets

He'll be real fun, and definitely won't cry over his touches

I guess Pop wants a new player with a tio

[vy65]

https://twitter.com/lionellopez_/status/1420587909816651779?s=21

Lol finalising

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/lionellopez_/status/1420587909816651779?s=21

Lol finalising

:lolIts happening

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/lionellopez_/status/1420587909816651779?s=21

Lol finalising
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[Joseph Kony]

that's clearly fake since Caruso, Demar, and THT are all free agents :lol

[lmbebo]

that was posted from a fake Woj twitter account earlier today ...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not only are most of the players in this fake trade FAs and thus the trade is illegal, but the Lakers also don't have their 2024 1st :lol

[EricB]

I got the same notification but it just comes up as “deleted”

[tbdog]

Collin Sexton huh?

I want sexton to pair up with Murray. They suited together.

[EasyMoney]

That's the fake nba central account. Peep the username "ThNBACentral"

[bluebellmaniac]

3 Days until Free Agency begins...

7 Days until Free Agents can be signed!

[John B]

3 Days until Free Agency begins...

7 Days until Free Agents can be signed!

Oh wow... I wonder what exciting surprise Brian Wrong have stored for us?? :depressed

[DPG21920]

A few things I do/do not want to see:

1) No DDR, Rudy or Mills being brought back. At any cost.

2) A S&T for DDR to hopefully get a decent asset (extra pick). This is assuming SA wouldn’t be using whatever cap space that takes anyways. Of course if there is a trade or guy you love in FA do that first. But I am assuming that is not the case as they could sign Collins (for example) to a max deal and still take on a Kuzma for DeRozan in a S&T

3) If you can’t land someone like Collins, or land a true impact (fits with the timeline age) player, then just sign one year deals. Spurs aren’t contending barring something crazy and if you can’t get a “real” FA dont just waste money. Keep flexible for a better FA class or trades

4) Make a trade: Too many guards and Spurs need to show some direction here.

5) Avoid going all in for someone like Ben Simmons if the cost remains anything close to reports. Part of the benefit of having tons of cap space and all your picks is you can pounce on a great opportunity. Ben Simmons is worth a look, but unless it’s a player truly worth giving the farm up for, dont do it just to do it.

[CGD]

Oh wow... I wonder what exciting surprise Brian Wrong have stored for us?? :depressed

Now that we found our missing piece in the Lottery (!!), re-sign all the vets to max deals…

[CGD]

My hope is that the DeRozen to WAS rumor has legs. A Deni + Kuz swap would be a great outcome for Spurs.

The pieces of the puzzle are still there after last night:

- WAS and DDR rumored mutual interest
- Kuz interest from Spurs, now with WAS
- Spurs interest in Deni last year
- Beal wants to stay in WAS, so pressure to get him star level help
- despite unloading Brick, WAS would still need to do a S&T for DDR
- Kuz/Deni/non-guaranteed deals get you close to the 20M DDR seeks

Spurs still have good chunk of change to round out roster.

[kobyz]

Trade Murray, Jakob, Vassell, 4 future first round picks for Ben Simmons, sign John Collins:

White/Jones
Walker/Primo
Keldon/Wieskamp
Simmons/Luka
Collins/Eubanks

[Degoat]

There’s no way Wash gives up deni after one year, we’d end with Bertans again lol

[mo7888]

There’s no way Wash gives up deni after one year, we’d end with Bertans again lol

Well, theoretically they have to give up some asset to entice us to take on Kuz or Bertans. So, it stands to reason that it'd be Deni, Rui, or a future 1st. I think it would be Deni and they replace him with Kispert.

[8FOR!3]

A few things I do/do not want to see:

1) No DDR, Rudy or Mills being brought back. At any cost.

2) A S&T for DDR to hopefully get a decent asset (extra pick). This is assuming SA wouldn’t be using whatever cap space that takes anyways. Of course if there is a trade or guy you love in FA do that first. But I am assuming that is not the case as they could sign Collins (for example) to a max deal and still take on a Kuzma for DeRozan in a S&T

3) If you can’t land someone like Collins, or land a true impact (fits with the timeline age) player, then just sign one year deals. Spurs aren’t contending barring something crazy and if you can’t get a “real” FA dont just waste money. Keep flexible for a better FA class or trades

4) Make a trade: Too many guards and Spurs need to show some direction here.

5) Avoid going all in for someone like Ben Simmons if the cost remains anything close to reports. Part of the benefit of having tons of cap space and all your picks is you can pounce on a great opportunity. Ben Simmons is worth a look, but unless it’s a player truly worth giving the farm up for, dont do it just to do it.

1. We 100% bring back Patty I think, regardless of how I feel. I just hope we don't bring DDR/Gay back. I actually think we can live with bringing just Patty back.

2. At this point I think DDR just walks or God-forbid resigns.

3. Completely agree with this, but I'm worried we'll sign some scrub on the wing for a few years.

4. I probably stay put for now, it doesn't hurt to wait and see who really develops.

5. 100% agreed.

[mo7888]

How many more days?

[Biggems]

Well they signed udfa G Justin Turner....now we have 20 guards on the team after last night.

[Degoat]

I know John Collins is the guy most people want, but I do kinda feel like Lauri Markkanen is a better fit with the team tbh

[John B]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/724b5ae8-e455-441f-b73e-9b4daf147802
Now I guess the Hawks can move on from John Collins :lol

Hey I wanted Jalen (he’s still 25 million cheaper) but heck if that brings us Collins, that's a consolation.

[RC_Drunkford]

People here are completely ignoring the fact that DeRozan would have to agree on going to Washington :lol
I don’t think he’d want to play there. He’s obviously trying to compete for a title, so maybe the Clippers are still on the table although I wouldn’t want any of their players

[Mr. Body]

People here are completely ignoring the fact that DeRozan would have to agree on going to Washington :lol
I don’t think he’d want to play there. He’s obviously trying to compete for a title, so maybe the Clippers are still on the table although I wouldn’t want any of their players

I believe he's already said he's interested in Washington. But that was before the Westbrook trade.

[Excessive Egotist]

This is just me rationalizing the Primo pick but I wonder if Spurs don't already have a sign and trade for DeRozan set up that involves one of the players they passed at 12. Warriors took Moody at 14 (but seems like they were thrilled he slid), Wizards took Kispert at 15, and Clippers took Keon Johnson at 21.

[Mr. Body]

This is just me rationalizing the Primo pick but I wonder if Spurs don't already have a sign and trade for DeRozan set up that involves one of the players they passed at 12. Warriors took Moody at 14 (but seems like they were thrilled he slid), Wizards took Kispert at 15, and Clippers took Keon Johnson at 21.

Hope springs eternal, doesn't it?

[mo7888]

I believe he's already said he's interested in Washington. But that was before the Westbrook trade.

He fits better after the trade... Washington could have a lineup of

Holiday, Neto
Beal, KCP
Demar, Kispert
Kuz,Rui
Bryant, trez, gafford

That's a good bit better than last year...

[pad300]

I believe he's already said he's interested in Washington. But that was before the Westbrook trade.

No, that tweet was someone else saying he's said he's interested in Washington.

[mo7888]

This is just me rationalizing the Primo pick but I wonder if Spurs don't already have a sign and trade for DeRozan set up that involves one of the players they passed at 12. Warriors took Moody at 14 (but seems like they were thrilled he slid), Wizards took Kispert at 15, and Clippers took Keon Johnson at 21.

It's possible they have a S&T on the horizon and/or a trade of White of DJ but I don't think any of that impacted their draft decisions... they took what they saw as BPA... I think they were others that were better but, this was their board....so here we are..

[Bellboy]

Let's use this as the free agency thread :tu

Trade Poeltl and LWIV for Myles Turner
Sign John Collins


PG Murray, Tre Jones,
SG. White, Vassel, Primo
SF KJ, Bates-Diop, Weiskamp
PF Collins, Samanic
C. Turner, Dieng, Eubanks

Plus Free agent pickups or Derozan S&T

[John B]

I think Hawks taking Jalen Johnson is telling that Hawks could lose Collins, and gives us a little hope to acquire him. Now it’s up to PATFO to determine if he’s a max player, AND Collins wanting to play for the Spurs. I think he would like a PG who could serve him the ball though. He gets a lot from ally-ops, and that’s not DJ’s game, even not as much but likely Derrick or even better Trae.

[LeBowen]

Trade Poeltl and LWIV for Myles Turner
Sign John Collins


PG Murray, Tre Jones,
SG. White, Vassel, Primo
SF KJ, Bates-Diop, Weiskamp
PF Collins, Samanic
C. Turner, Dieng, Eubanks

Plus Free agent pickups or Derozan S&T

Why would the Pacers accept that?
Turner would be perfect, but they're not looking for a big. They got Sabonis and Bitadze as his backup.

White is the first guy I'd trade. He's a good player, but just can't stay healthy. I don't think PATFO will even consider trading DJ.
I'd still like to see Lonnie get another season, Demar and Patty suffocated him over the past few years.

I just hope they don't go for Markkanen. Poor man's Porzingis. And KP isn't any good.

[mo7888]

I think Hawks taking Jalen Johnson is telling that Hawks could lose Collins, and gives us a little hope to acquire him. Now it’s up to PATFO to determine if he’s a max player, AND Collins wanting to play for the Spurs. I think he would like a PG who could serve him the ball though. He gets a lot from ally-ops, and that’s not DJ’s game, even not as much but likely Derrick or even better Trae.

I could see Atlanta S&T Collins to us for White or DJ. It gives them security against Huerter moving on and improves perimeter D. Hunter can fill Collins role and Johnson could be a longer term replacement if he pans out.

[exstatic]

I know John Collins is the guy most people want, but I do kinda feel like Lauri Markkanen is a better fit with the team tbh

He’s a terrible fit. He can’t defend the 4 or the 5. Think: Late LaMarcus level bad defense.

[Mr. Body]

Lauri Markkanen would be a wreck.

[exstatic]

People here are completely ignoring the fact that DeRozan would have to agree on going to Washington :lol
I don’t think he’d want to play there. He’s obviously trying to compete for a title, so maybe the Clippers are still on the table although I wouldn’t want any of their players
Every player wants to make the most money, and compete for championships. Guess which one goes by the boards when push comes to shove? He ain’t gonna sign for the MLE if Wash ponies up a nice contract.

[mo7888]

He’s a terrible fit. He can’t defend the 4 or the 5. Think: Late LaMarcus level bad defense.

I disagree. While he's not even an average defender that can be covered up some playing next to Poeltl. He can spread the floor from deep and put the ball on the ground for straight line drives vs close outs. Do I like him as much as Collins? Absolutely not, but if Collins can't be gotten we can work with Lauri (and maybe even find some untapped potential). As long as the money and length isn't awful then it's not a bad risk/reward situation.

[DPG21920]

Just sign Kelly O or Bobby Portis to a larger than they deserve 1 year deal if you can’t get anyone that’s a real long term fit and difference maker.

Keep flexibility open for next year and beyond.

[DPG21920]

For Lauri the only thing that makes sense to me is something like 3/45M with the third year being a team option or fully non guaranteed

[Mr. Body]

For Lauri the only thing that makes sense to me is something like 3/45M with the third year being a team option or fully non guaranteed

If he goes for that. Which he might -- I don't think there's a tremendous market for a soft pile of putty like him.

But this board needs a whipping boy and I can imagine he'll draw the ire of almost everyone here within ten games.

[mo7888]

For Lauri the only thing that makes sense to me is something like 3/45M with the third year being a team option or fully non guaranteed

That's pretty much my range for him too.. it would be easy to move if we needed to but give us an extra year if he over performs.

[DPG21920]

If he goes for that. Which he might -- I don't think there's a tremendous market for a soft pile of putty like him.

But this board needs a whipping boy and I can imagine he'll draw the ire of almost everyone here within ten games.

Perhaps but if you whiff on Collins and no trades materialize then I can see the logic (age and skill set) in doing that. But if it starts to get bigger money than that? Sa needs to walk away and save their money for a better fa/trade environment imo

[John B]

I could see Atlanta S&T Collins to us for White or DJ. It gives them security against Huerter moving on and improves perimeter D. Hunter can fill Collins role and Johnson could be a longer term replacement if he pans out.

I rather keep Derrick. It’s not a popular here, but Derrick is the better facilitator, and can get Collins (and Poeltl) going early. DJ gives the Hawks an elite defensive combo guard to compliment Trae who can tear the offense.

Also I don’t think DJ is align with Pop, for better or worse. He’s too out there, with his “meh” reaction on the pick, seen going against Pop in the huddle. I just have a feeling he’s one foot out of the door.

[DPG21920]

But I have no idea what SA is going to do or the real market for him. I would be pretty upset if SA does a S&T for him and gives up assets.

If CHI is willing to give up a few picks in a S&T ok. But Sa shouldn’t be giving up anything to just get him.

[YoungbuckMurray]

This is just me rationalizing the Primo pick but I wonder if Spurs don't already have a sign and trade for DeRozan set up that involves one of the players they passed at 12. Warriors took Moody at 14 (but seems like they were thrilled he slid), Wizards took Kispert at 15, and Clippers took Keon Johnson at 21.

ya Spurs front office ain’t that creative

[Jordan Jackson]

People trust this front office with all this cap space? Oh boy.

Anyway, I think Collins stays in Atlanta.

[YoungbuckMurray]

People trust this front office with all this cap space? Oh boy.

Anyway, I think Collins stays in Atlanta.

I don’t. Not one bit

[Mr. Body]

I rather keep Derrick. It’s not a popular here, but Derrick is the better facilitator, and can get Collins (and Poeltl) going early. DJ gives the Hawks an elite defensive combo guard to compliment Trae who can tear the offense.

Also I don’t think DJ is align with Pop, for better or worse. He’s too out there, with his “meh” reaction on the pick, seen going against Pop in the huddle. I just have a feeling he’s one foot out of the door.

Murray is a Klutch guy at the end of the day. They'll steer him out of San Antonio before long.

[R. DeMurre]

What I see in Atlanta is the further away they've gone from being a Collins-centric team, the better they've become. They've had more success giving other players more usage rate and having Collins be a 14/7 type of guy in the playoffs than they ever did with making him the #1 option as a 21/10 player. I think looking ahead Atlanta's much scarier with De'Andre Hunter at PF, Clint Capela at C, and Okongwu off the bench. Collins also off the bench would be incredible, but is that worthy of a max contract?

[4lifecowboy]

Jarrett Allen free agent signing, then sign and trade DeRozan and White for Porzingis....problem solved.

[Teamduncan21]

But I have no idea what SA is going to do or the real market for him. I would be pretty upset if SA does a S&T for him and gives up assets.

If CHI is willing to give up a few picks in a S&T ok. But Sa shouldn’t be giving up anything to just get him.

Spurs have space. Why not sign him outright? Sign and trade seems too nice unless we have a piece we dont want anyway and would prefer cap space.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why would the Pacers accept that?
Turner would be perfect, but they're not looking for a big. They got Sabonis and Bitadze as his backup.

White is the first guy I'd trade. He's a good player, but just can't stay healthy. I don't think PATFO will even consider trading DJ.
I'd still like to see Lonnie get another season, Demar and Patty suffocated him over the past few years.

I just hope they don't go for Markkanen. Poor man's Porzingis. And KP isn't any good.

I completely agree with everything you said. You got some good takes :bobo

[BackHome]

Lauri Markkanen would be a wreck.

He plays terrible defense and he make White look like an Iron man regarding his health as the dude is made out of China

[JeffDuncan]

Just sign Kelly O or Bobby Portis to a larger than they deserve 1 year deal if you can’t get anyone that’s a real long term fit and difference maker.

Keep flexibility open for next year and beyond.


Portis is worth a two-year contract, if he can be restrained from killing anybody in practice. Lol. But seriously, Portis did well under pressure in the playoffs. That exact point isn’t for the Spurs to worry about, but Portis has some good ability. And he’s no guard. If Rudy has been worth $15 M/year - arguable I know - Portis would be worth 10 M/year on a 2 year.

[Biggems]

We signed another UDFA matt michell of sdsu....seems like a pretty decent signing

[timvp]

We signed another UDFA matt michell of sdsu....seems like a pretty decent signing

A strongly built small forward who went to San Diego State and was born in Riverside, California? The ol' lightning might strike twice plan, I see :lol

[Kurik]

A strongly built small forward who went to San Diego State and was born in Riverside, California? The ol' lightning might strike twice plan, I see :lol

“Measured 6’4.5” barefoot, 6’6.0” in shoes, 8’6.5” standing reach, 239.2 lbs, and 6’8.25” wingspan at the 2021 NBA G-League Elite Camp”

The Spurs love anyone 6’4” without shoes.

[gambit1990]

what guards are available? :lol

[Degoat]

what guards are available? :lol

Bryn Forbes lol

[gambit1990]

jarrett allen should absolutely be the spurs #1 target.

spurs would rather give paul millsap 2 years / $36 million though.

[gambit1990]

Bryn Forbes lol
time is a flat circle.

[CGD]

He fits better after the trade... Washington could have a lineup of

Holiday, Neto
Beal, KCP
Demar, Kispert
Kuz,Rui
Bryant, trez, gafford

That's a good bit better than last year...

Exactly. Plus, if they want us to take back Bert or other long term $$, they’ll have to attach an asset. I like Deni for it.

[bluebellmaniac]

How many more days?


3 Days until Free Agency begins...

7 Days until Free Agents can be signed!

[Leetonidas]

Unless the Spurs are trading Poeltl why would we target Allen? Spurs need to get a starting caliber PF and some actual SFs first and foremost. Allen will want 25m+ and there's no point in playing a 7 footer with no range that can't create for himself that salary in today's NBA

[objective]

Hawks got Tristan Thompson from the Celtics. Maybe just to be injury coverage for Okongwu, but combined with the Johnson pick maybe the window for Collins is a tiny bit more open

[Degoat]

Hawks got Tristan Thompson from the Celtics. Maybe just to be injury coverage for Okongwu, but combined with the Johnson pick maybe the window for Collins is a tiny bit more open

There’s been a lot of reports saying people expect the hawks to match offers for Collins tho

[Dennis the Menace]

Has Brian Wright hit free agency yet??

That’s the move

[JeffDuncan]

Has Brian Wright hit free agency yet??

That’s the move


But we can’t let him walk for nothing!

[duncan2150]

Hawks got Tristan Thompson from the Celtics. Maybe just to be injury coverage for Okongwu, but combined with the Johnson pick maybe the window for Collins is a tiny bit more open


Thompson going to Sacramento finally in a 3 teams deal

[objective]

There’s been a lot of reports saying people expect the hawks to match offers for Collins tho

Probably, I'm just trying to be optimistic

[Degoat]

I’m really interested to see what the spurs do in free agency….

There’s been reports that they’re interested in John Collins, Lauri Markkanen, and Kelly Oubre… are those reports true or just agents spreading rumors

What comes of the spurs Free agents, I hate to say it but I’m pretty sure we keep Patty Mills, Rudy is probably gone, and it’s in the spurs and demars best interest to find a sign & trade that benefits both parties imo

as it stands the spurs will have 10 guaranteed roster spots taken with Primo on the team now, maybe 11 if they sign Joe Wieskamp to a deal

[Chinook]

I'd be down with SA trading for Siakam, Simmons or Harris provided they don't let themselves be screwed. Sabonis might even be on the move. Getting him would probably make the lack of a four with size even more glaring, but the talent is there. Even if the Spurs somehow sign Collins, they need to find away to make some trades.

[objective]

I'd be down with SA trading for Siakam, Simmons or Harris provided they don't let themselves be screwed. Sabonis might even be on the move. Getting him would probably make the lack of a four with size even more glaring, but the talent is there. Even if the Spurs somehow sign Collins, they need to find away to make some trades.

Based on Wright's record in trades, slim as it is, I'm pretty sure they'd be screwed.

[Teamduncan21]

But we can’t let him walk for nothing!

Sign and trade anyone?

[Degoat]

Celtics targeting Patty Mills according to one of the reports on hoopshype.

[Dejounte]

Spurs extended RFA on KBD. He seems like a lock to be a rotation player next season.

[Teamduncan21]

Celtics targeting Patty Mills according to one of the reports on hoopshype.

We have underpass of Joshua primo. We don't need patty anymore.

Or is this a sign and trade thing where we discuss what stuff Celtics have?

[ace3g]

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I get $34 million in room for Dallas if they decline Cauley-Stein's option and renounce THJ. Pelicans at $37 million if they have a renounce-a-thon and cut Gabriel. Kyle Lowry is getting PAID y'all


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The Mavericks are now in position to possibly have up to $33M in cap space. However, using a majority of room could come at the cost of free agent Tim Hardaway Jr.


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Sources confirm that Boston is acquiring Josh Richardson with their $11M trade exception. Because the salary for Richardson jumps to $11.6M in 2021/22, the trade will get finalized on Saturday. The Mavericks will create a $10.9M trade exception as part of the deal.
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[ducks]

What's disturbing about Simmons is he hasn't improved an inch since he started in the league. Last year was adv. statistically his worst. That's forgiveable, but otherwise he's not doing much of anything right now he wasn't four years ago.

He is a very lazy boy
He has the skills to be great if he had a work ethic

[JeffDuncan]

Sign and trade anyone?


Y’know, I’ll bet Presti would take Brian Wright if we include a draft pick. Heck, promise Presti our next lottery pick to take Wright, since we won’t be using it.

[JeffDuncan]

Celtics targeting Patty Mills according to one of the reports on hoopshype.

Bless Ime Udoka, I like him even better.

[slick'81]

Bless Ime Udoka, I like him even better.


Ill believe it when i see it:lol

[JeffDuncan]

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The Mavericks are now in position to possibly have up to $33M in cap space. However, using a majority of room could come at the cost of free agent Tim Hardaway Jr.



Hey Spurs, look! There could be another guard available!

[Teamduncan21]

Hey Spurs, look! There could be another guard available!

6'4" without shoes and 6'5" with shoes but we say 6'6" to sound better.

Where do we sign up

[RC_Drunkford]

“Measured 6’4.5” barefoot, 6’6.0” in shoes, 8’6.5” standing reach, 239.2 lbs, and 6’8.25” wingspan at the 2021 NBA G-League Elite Camp”

The Spurs love anyone 6’4” without shoes.

Let's see if I can fix our starting PF problem then :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd be down with SA trading for Siakam, Simmons or Harris provided they don't let themselves be screwed. Sabonis might even be on the move. Getting him would probably make the lack of a four with size even more glaring, but the talent is there. Even if the Spurs somehow sign Collins, they need to find away to make some trades.

I'm with you on that. Definitely have my eye on all of them plus Myles Turner. Would be a much better fit at C than Allen. Getting one of these guys in a trade and signing Collins would be best case scenario

[mo7888]

The San Antonio Spurs are interested in pursuing John Collins, Kelly Oubre, and Zach Collins in free agency, per JakeLFischer.

[duncan2150]

The San Antonio Spurs are interested in pursuing John Collins, Kelly Oubre, and Zach Collins in free agency, per Jake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36033)LFischer.

Strange for Collins maybe an old interest as he's injured actually( occured last month imo) and he did not play last season( only 11 games 2 years ago).

Imo the Spurs will also pursuie Markannen and Fournier who will probably be gone from Boston with the arrival of J Rich.

[CGD]

The San Antonio Spurs are interested in pursuing John Collins, Kelly Oubre, and Zach Collins in free agency, per JakeLFischer.

I wondered in Zach would get in the mix. Pre-injury I really liked him.

Still holding out hope for that Washington trade that nets us Deni!

[duncan2150]

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[FutureMan]

Seems like the news is intentionally trying to put it out there that Patty isn’t returning. Idk why you would keep Gay over Mills but it looks like that might be what happens.

[Degoat]

“There’s reportedly 'significant interest' from DeMar DeRozan to forgo higher salary opportunities elsewhere and join the Lakers in pursuit of a championship, per @JakeLFischer (https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeLFischer)

Maybe I’ll be surprised but I don’t buy this tbh this is demars last chance at a decent pay day

[8sy21vd]

Spurs need to let Demar, Mills and Gay walk and rebuild that god awful front court in FA. Overpaying Collins sounds better than getting fleeced in a trade for Al Hortford. Do something!!!

[Atl Spur]

Send Lonnie to Miami and bring me Duncan Robinson

[EasyMoney]

Spurs have extended the qualifying offer to keita bates Diop. Nice.

[exstatic]

Hawks got Tristan Thompson from the Celtics. Maybe just to be injury coverage for Okongwu, but combined with the Johnson pick maybe the window for Collins is a tiny bit more open

They were also unable to unload Reddish during the draft, even with a pick attached.

[JeffDuncan]

Send Lonnie to Miami and bring me Duncan Robinson


They just drafted their duncan robinson.

A really good coaching staff would have Wieskamp ready to step onto the court for two or three minutes, and hoist a couple shots, in the first RS game. Just to take a look. That won’t happen with the Spurs.

[duncan2150]

“There’s reportedly 'significant interest' from DeMar DeRozan to forgo higher salary opportunities elsewhere and join the Lakers in pursuit of a championship, per @JakeLFischer (https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeLFischer)

Maybe I’ll be surprised but I don’t buy this tbh this is demars last chance at a decent pay day


I totally buy this becaue he earned a lot during his time in Toronto and SA, having an MLE could be ok for him, offcourse if it's the Lakers.

[exstatic]

Seems like the news is intentionally trying to put it out there that Patty isn’t returning. Idk why you would keep Gay over Mills but it looks like that might be what happens.

It’s a little thing, but Patty stripped everything Spurs related off of his Twitter profile almost immediately after the season. Exit interviews are a thing.

[JeffDuncan]

Seems like the news is intentionally trying to put it out there that Patty isn’t returning. Idk why you would keep Gay over Mills but it looks like that might be what happens.


You keep Gay over Mills because as the roster currently stands it has a zillion guards and only one power forward.

[Atl Spur]

They just drafted their duncan robinson.

A really good coaching staff would have Wieskamp ready to step onto the court for two or three minutes, and hoist a couple shots, in the first RS game. Just to take a look. That won’t happen with the Spurs.

I want both. Bring joe along slow

[ragas]

It’s a little thing, but Patty stripped everything Spurs related off of his Twitter profile almost immediately after the season. Exit interviews are a thing.

He does it everytime when he plays for Australia.

[JeffDuncan]

They were also unable to unload Reddish during the draft, even with a pick attached.

Reddish could be good on this Spurs team. He needs development, but what else is new.

[Bellboy]

Has Vrenz Bleijenbergh been signed as a free agent by anybody yet ? Nice passing and shooting skills for a 20 year old.

[duncan2150]

Has Vrenz Bleijenbergh been signed as a free agent by anybody yet ? Nice passing and shooting skills for a 20 year old.


He had a problem with his buyout i think, he made a tweet where he said that some teams wanted him in the secound but that they can't because of that.

[CGD]

I totally buy this becaue he earned a lot during his time in Toronto and SA, having an MLE could be ok for him, offcourse if it's the Lakers.

agree. Will be highly interesting how the build out the rest of their roster though.

[Bellboy]

He had a problem with his buyout i think, he made a tweet when he said that some teams wanted him in the secound but that they can't because of that.

Thanks for the reply

[pad300]

Seems like the news is intentionally trying to put it out there that Patty isn’t returning. Idk why you would keep Gay over Mills but it looks like that might be what happens.

Because when considering only the young guys, the holes in the front court are a lot bigger than the holes in the backcourt?

[CGD]

If the Spurs don’t use capspace to get building block type pieces, I hope they go the other extreme and collect assets. Middling signings, like Duncan Robinson, at big money would be disappointing

[Atl Spur]

If the Spurs don’t use capspace to get building block type pieces, I hope they go the other extreme and collect assets. Middling signings, like Duncan Robinson, at big money would be disappointing

I disagree.......Duncan Robinson is a sniper!

[DPG21920]

Saw something on Mavs possibly looking at a salary dump of Maxi or Powell to get Lowry + keep THJ.

Spurs should be all over that. Both solid players on short deals that address positions of need.

Maxi + A future 1st into cap space is a no brainer imo.

[ace3g]

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Milwaukee Bucks F Bobby Portis is declining his $3.8M player option and will become a free agent, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) tells ESPN.

[ace3g]

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The Rockets are not picking up guard Avery Bradley’s $5.9 million team option for next season, making him an unrestricted free agent, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Sides mutually agreed to part ways.

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The Boston Celtics are trading Moses Brown to the Dallas Mavericks in the Josh Richardson trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Brown is a promising young big man.

[RC_Drunkford]

Zach Collins would be a nice reclamation project. Of course we‘d have to see how he’s looking after 2 surgeries on his ankle, so not sure when he would be ready

[pad300]

Zach Collins would be a nice reclamation project. Of course we‘d have to see how he’s looking after 2 surgeries on his ankle, so not sure when he would be ready

I believe that's 3 ankle surgeries, in less than a year... I'd pass .

[ace3g]

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The Wizards won’t extend a qualifying offer on F Isaac Bonga, making him an unrestricted free agent. Wizards need roster spots after taking on three players in the Westbrook trade.

[Eaglenole2002]

Orsborn…

UFA SF Kelly Oubre Jr. has interest in the #Spurs, with his camp believing he would be a good fit in San Antonio and would flourish under Pop and the developmental staff, a league source said.

[Mr. Body]

Orsborn…

UFA SF Kelly Oubre Jr. has interest in the #Spurs, with his camp believing he would be a good fit in San Antonio and would flourish under Pop and the developmental staff, a league source said.

"Hey Spurs, ya interested? What'dya think? I'd like to stay in the league, make some more money. How about it? I'd take a contract with you."

[Degoat]

Depends on what the contract is but I’d take Kelly Oubre, he’ll play with some nasty lol

[Teamduncan21]

Oubre as one of many moves is fine. Oubre as our major move is not fine. So depends on perspective and amount he's going to take

[poopbox]

I believe that's 3 ankle surgeries, in less than a year... I'd pass .

And a shoulder injury to boot. I'd only want him if it was a dirt cheap two year deal. Like a 2 for 17 or something like that.

[duncan2150]

Oubre as one of many moves is fine. Oubre as our major move is not fine. So depends on perspective and amount he's going to take


Agreed he will give the team some defense, he can shoot tough he's not steady. For a good salary and with another big addition he will be good.

Osborn add that his agent also represent Georges Gervin.

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘d take Oubre if his salary is still around 14 million. I mean that’s what we payed Rudy last year :lol

[Mr. Body]

Oubre is actually terrible on both sides of the ball, a net negative each way. It was a mistake for GSW to sign him and any good team should stay away.

[Mnky]

If Oubres team is saying they look towards the developmental potential of the spurs, it means Oubre has been convinced he has work to do which is a good sign to me. The guy is definitely inconsistent but his flashes are above average.

I think a team like the spurs would slow things down for him and help him out quite a bit. If he wanted to salvage his career, a system team would be his best bet to get back on track.

I would look forward to seeing him develop if he came at the right price. The worse he could do is help the spurs lottery pick for next year so.. :lol
why not gamble that you can turn him into a player? He has all the tools.

[CGD]

The melt down here if we leave this summer with Obre and Primo as our big moves…

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/matty_vanpersie/status/1421538892868726786?s=21

Who could it be?

Any thoughts from people who follow euroleague?

pad300
ragas
duncan2150

[NASpurs]

I rather pay Fournier $20 mil/year than pay Oubre $15+ if I'm being honest.

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[Ocotillo]

As Collins seems to fade as being an option (report saying Hawks are going to throw 120mil at him), Bobby Portis is starting to grow on me. Veteran leadership, toughness and championship experience. We could do worse.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/matty_vanpersie/status/1421538892868726786?s=21

Who could it be?

Any thoughts from people who follow euroleague?

pad300
ragas
duncan2150

Viktorious Sanidizdikadze

[NASpurs]

Baby come back!

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[ginobilized]

Viktorious Sanidizdikadze

Viktor is retired and 35. Maybe as a coach, but, not as a player.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/matty_vanpersie/status/1421538892868726786?s=21

Who could it be?

Any thoughts from people who follow euroleague?

pad300 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6934)
ragas (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52418)
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I don't see a really good player in euroleague but you have Micic PG ( rights OKC), Jordan Mickey former Celtics, Wade Baldwin IV who did pretty well last year. And you have Mirotic who is 30 yrs old.

[Ocotillo]

Who was that Greek big man that went to school with Collins?

[Dejounte]

Who was that Greek big man that went to school with Collins?

i know who you’re talking about but it can’t be him. He recently signed a new contract with a new euroleague team.

i remember now. Dinos mitoglou

[Dejounte]

I don't see a really good player in euroleague but you have Micic PG ( rights OKC), Jordan Mickey former Celtics, Wade Baldwin IV who did pretty well last year. And you have Mirotic who is 30 yrs old.

This Matteo guy usually announces the name of the player but maybe he couldn’t because another NBA team has the rights

[SPURt]

I know he’s played like butt in Golden State, but I actually like Oubre. I’ve liked him since he was in DC, he looked like he was starting to hit his stride in Phoenix. He started off last season looking terrible, almost like he had the yips. It’s almost like he was trying to replace Klay and it was terrible. He did better in the second half of the season. He’s only one year older than Chris Duarte too at 25. If he plays for a similar 2 yr/$30 million contract, why not get him?

And before everyone starts calling me homophobic slurs, by “like him” I mean I want to eat his ass like a cupcake:hungry:

[mo7888]

Mirotic is the only guy I can think of off the top of my head...

[duncan2150]

This Matteo guy usually announces the name of the player but maybe he couldn’t because another NBA team has the rights


I think the Spurs were linked to Micic in the past but he is a PG.

[ace3g]

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The Detroit Pistons are waiving guard Cory Joseph and F/G Deividas Sirvydis, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII (https://twitter.com/JLEdwardsIII/).
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[Mr. Body]

Viktor is retired and 35. Maybe as a coach, but, not as a player.

We cannot give up hope.

[LCM]

i know who you’re talking about but it can’t be him. He recently signed a new contract with a new euroleague team.

i remember now. Dinos mitoglou

He signed a new contract in Europe. He's staying unfortunately.

[Degoat]

I hate to be this guy to bring him up… but is it impossible to bring Nikola Milutinov over? Lol last I heard he signed an extension with his team, no NBA buyout?

[Mr. Body]

The big name in Europe is obviously Christiano Ronaldo.

[slick'81]

Gotta wait until monday to find out the fate of demar derozan our allstar,patty mills our culture ,and gay our vet

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1421555567580098565?s=21

Lauri could come cheap

And lol @ 20 mil per year for Lonzo

[Dejounte]

CR1NYsjr5OO

[slick'81]

CR1NYsjr5OO

no more then 15 per. He should come cheap coming off of career lows across the board

[Degoat]

Honestly to me Lauri is the only free agent that makes some sense for the spurs

[slick'81]

Honestly to me Lauri is the only free agent that makes some sense for the spurs

odds on fav to be our future pf

[Dejounte]

no more then 15 per. He should come cheap coming off of career lows across the board

15 mil per AND an agreement he wont pout if someone deserves the starting position over him. He’s got to buy in.

[Mnky]

So what are the downsides to Laurie marks game? I haven't seen much of him. He moves great for a big man and can shoot off the dribble pretty smooth.

I'm guessing his defense is bad? Has to be for a big man that can move and shoot like that.

[slick'81]

So what are the downsides to Laurie marks game? I haven't seen much of him. He moves great for a big man and can shoot off the dribble pretty smooth.

I'm guessing his defense is bad? Has to be for a big man that can move and shoot like that.



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[CGD]

Markkanen + Obre? I guess that’s shitty any other offseason, but passable among a crappy crop this year.

I suppose the starters would be:

Murray
White
Obre
Markkanen
Poeetle

[slick'81]

Markkanen + Obre? I guess that’s shitty any other offseason, but passable among a crappy crop this year.

I suppose the starters would be:

Murray
White
Obre
Markkanen
Poeetle


Id like keldon starting but i guess you need shooting .So if the lottery is our goal again its ok

[RC_Drunkford]

The only one that’s missing is Paul Millsap and this offseason went exactly how I expected it :lol

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1421555567580098565?s=21

Lauri could come cheap

And lol @ 20 mil per year for Lonzo

I don't think that has any bearing on how expensive Markkanen will be. Just means Chicago will let him go, which we already knew.

They're making some big swings in the last year or so. Ball's a given commodity at this point and pairing him with Zach seems like a pretty good idea. Won't make them contendors, by any means, but shoud be a playoff team.

[Dejounte]

I don't think that has any bearing on how expensive Markkanen will be. Just means Chicago will let him go, which we already knew.

They're making some big swings in the last year or so. Ball's a given commodity at this point and pairing him with Zach seems like a pretty good idea. Won't make them contendors, by any means, but shoud be a playoff team.


i remember quite clearly from some here saying if the Spurs offered a low amount, the Bulls would simply match. But yes, it doesn’t mean he’ll actually be signed to a low offer, just that it opens up the possibility of it happening without the Bulls preventing it from happening.

[objective]

Oubre is straight up trash. There's reason no one has ever wanted to keep him. Inconsistent, doesn't take the game seriously, just whack all around

Lauri Markannen is a little better but not by much. Terrible defense, frequently injured or struck with odd maladies. There's a reason why when Chicago got serious about making the playoffs, they benched Markannen.

Oubre would be a straight up failure and trash fire.

But if Markannen was renounced, then I could see a deal like the Knicks gave players a couple of years ago being useful, 1+1 deals to both protect the teams future cap flexibility but also make trading them easier.

[Mr. Body]

Oubre is straight up trash. There's reason no one has ever wanted to keep him. Inconsistent, doesn't take the game seriously, just whack all around

Lauri Markannen is a little better but not by much. Terrible defense, frequently injured or struck with odd maladies. There's a reason why when Chicago got serious about making the playoffs, they benched Markannen.

Oubre would be a straight up failure and trash fire.

But if Markannen was renounced, then I could see a deal like the Knicks gave players a couple of years ago being useful, 1+1 deals to both protect the teams future cap flexibility but also make trading them easier.

You're absolutely correct about Oubre. There's a reason why the Suns said sayonara, why the Warriors couldn't wait to let him go. He's a dumpster fire. He's desperate to get onto some team so is giving the Spurs sweet words, but they need to pass.

Markkanen... there's suggestion he wasn't properly developed by Chicago and often their fans say so. I can see some value for him, but not at a high price tag and not for a long term. In general I don't see a high reward, the defense is bad, and I don't think he'll be much more than he is now. A short term deal like you mention I feel would be okay.

[pad300]

Honestly to me Lauri is the only free agent that makes some sense for the spurs

I see them chucking a full max at Collins first.

[pad300]

https://twitter.com/matty_vanpersie/status/1421538892868726786?s=21

Who could it be?

Any thoughts from people who follow euroleague?

pad300
ragas
duncan2150

I assume it wouldn't be a guard, nor even a 3... but ???

[TheChillFactor]

bobby portis would really help this roster.

still young and would bring what we have been missing since morris walked on us.

[gambit1990]

so can oubre actually play or not ??

lol, people either say he’s really worth it or not worth it all.

[lmbebo]

bobby portis would really help this roster.

still young and would bring what we have been missing since morris walked on us.

Portis wants to get paid. He's young and took a low deal to play with Bucks. Not sure what his market will be. But I'd take Portis over Lauris

[tbdog]

I want someone that's ready for big time in 3 or 4 years. That's Collins.

[TheChillFactor]

i like how the people in this thread are talking about markkanen and collins like we didn't just watch them draft josh fucking primo.

you're more likely to wind up with Portis and Torrey Craig. do you even spurs, bro?

its amazing to me how you smoothbrains keep putting quarters into the pacman machine and expecting it to play donkey kong.

lmao get ready for the biggest case of blue balls you have ever had in your life.

this is the way

[BackHome]

That’s good we in rebuild mode we need to hit on the lottery next draft and I mean land 1-3 draft pick so pick up a couple of old ass vets sign them for one year contacts and let the kids play and grow. It’s a win win we get to see the youth movement and we get to see who fits and who needs to be traded or not signed and hopefully we get lucky again and get a 1 draft pick.

[TD 21]

I suspect the Oubre Jr. rumors are from his agent. He has delusions of grandeur in terms of stardom, so they more than likely look at this barren roster and think he could come in and put up big counting stats for a few years before cashing in and moving on to greener pastures.

He's not only not Spurs-y, but he doesn't check a single box. Not not strong enough to play the four, doesn't provide shooting, ISO scoring or play making either.

Right now, out of realistic options, if the Wizards sign and trade for Dinwiddie and utilize Kuzma to do so, offer Walker IV to the Nets (would help alleviate their massive luxury tax bill) for him. If that occurs, offer Mills 2/$MLE equivalent of 20ishM-25M.

Failing that, offer Porter Jr. 2/$MLE equivalent of 20ishM-25M, then do the same with Burks. Offer Dieng 2/smaller MLE or room exception equivalent of 10ishM.

Leave the rest of the space open to possibly utilize to facilitate trade(s) and extract draft capital throughout the season.

[Dejounte]

I suspect the Oubre Jr. rumors are from his agent. He has delusions of grandeur in terms of stardom, so they more than likely look at this barren roster and think he could come in and put up big counting stats for a few years before cashing in and moving on to greener pastures.

He's not only not Spurs-y, but he doesn't check a single box. Not not strong enough to play the four, doesn't provide shooting, ISO scoring or play making either.

Right now, out of realistic options, if the Wizards sign and trade for Dinwiddie and utilize Kuzma to do so, offer Walker IV to the Nets (would help alleviate their massive luxury tax bill) for him. If that occurs, offer Mills 2/$MLE equivalent of 20ishM-25M.

Failing that, offer Porter Jr. 2/$MLE equivalent of 20ishM-25M, then do the same with Burks. Offer Dieng 2/smaller MLE or room exception equivalent of 10ishM.

Leave the rest of the space open to possibly utilize to facilitate trade(s) and extract draft capital throughout the season.

https://twitter.com/pickuphoop/status/1421112240955084801

[objective]

Wasn't Oubre the guy who missed the bubble for Phoenix, and they went 8-0 without him and then dumped his ass in the summer? And now Golden State, who has the money to pay the tax if it means championship, is dumping him after having him for a year?

If he was important to winning, they wouldn't let him go.

He's like Javale or Beasley. Counting on him = losing

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/1421485125234315268

[Mr. Body]

so can oubre actually play or not ??

lol, people either say he’s really worth it or not worth it all.

Teams who did not think he was worth it:

Washinton Wizards
Phoenix Suns
Golden State Warriors

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/1421485125234315268

Dat champeenship experience

[CGD]

Teams who did not think he was worth it:

Washinton Wizards
Phoenix Suns
Golden State Warriors

I sincerely hope they stay away from Oubre. I can just see them talking themselves into it bc it’s a position of need they feel they can “fix him.”

[CGD]

Oubre is straight up trash. There's reason no one has ever wanted to keep him. Inconsistent, doesn't take the game seriously, just whack all around

Lauri Markannen is a little better but not by much. Terrible defense, frequently injured or struck with odd maladies. There's a reason why when Chicago got serious about making the playoffs, they benched Markannen.

Oubre would be a straight up failure and trash fire.

But if Markannen was renounced, then I could see a deal like the Knicks gave players a couple of years ago being useful, 1+1 deals to both protect the teams future cap flexibility but also make trading them easier.

The 1+1 idea is smart, ideally in hopes that in 2 years we can use space again. Maybe front load the deal too.

[RC_Drunkford]

The only way this would become a successful offseason is:

- they sign Collins
- they pull off a Trade that gets us either Siakam, Myles Turner or Ben Simmons
- they get something back in a sign and trade for DeRozan

I put the chances at 0.1% of this happening, so get ready to be disappointed:lol

[TD 21]

I sincerely hope they stay away from Oubre. I can just see them talking themselves into it bc it’s a position of need they feel they can “fix him.”

It's not. They have Johnson, Vassell, White and Walker IV under contract as rotational options at the 3/2, plus Wieskamp as a depth option and possibly Jeffries too. And they'll no doubt be some veteran guard/wing shooter/secondary creator too, whether it's Mills, Burks, Fournier, etc.

[slick'81]

The only way this would become a successful offseason is:

- they sign Collins
- they pull off a Trade that gets us either Siakam, Myles Turner or Ben Simmons
- they get something back in a sign and trade for DeRozan

I put the chances at 0.1% of this happening, so get ready to be disappointed:lol
No doubt. Might as well resign gay/mills and retry in 2-3 years. Still hoping spurs can get something for derozan though

[slick'81]

I sincerely hope they stay away from Oubre. I can just see them talking themselves into it bc it’s a position of need they feel they can “fix him.”


That would also be lauri

[ace3g]

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Clippers F/C Serge Ibaka is exercising his $9.7 million player option for the 2021-22 season, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).
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[ace3g]

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Knicks exercised team option on center Mitchell Robinson and waived center Norvel Pelle.

[Teamduncan21]

Oubre can do a few things. Slash, ok defense, can shoot 3 (not good just can), reasonably athletic.

But he seem to underwhelm wherever he go. That's why people describe him as good and trash at the same time. He looks talented. But seems not not translate to win as much. That's why as one of the move is ok. But as the move is a bit disappointing.

[Uriel]

The San Antonio Spurs are interested in pursuing John Collins, Kelly Oubre, and Zach Collins in free agency, per Jake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36033)LFischer.
Any chance we could nab all three of those guys? Or would that not make sense?

[Teamduncan21]

Any chance we could nab all three of those guys? Or would that not make sense?

Seems doable actually.

[mo7888]

Any chance we could nab all three of those guys? Or would that not make sense?

I don't think it makes sense myself

[Fusternino]

If KBD gets no other offer, we're up to 11 players with Primo included.

I don't see why we couldn't sign both John Collins and Oubre. Almost don't need to S&T DDR anywhere at that point.

[BacktoBasics]

After reaching the conference finals I’d be more shocked if Atlanta didn’t match a max Collins offer than us drafting Primo. Sure they don’t want to pay the max but they got nothing to replace him with and you don’t win championships letting a core player walk after making a deep run.

Collins isn’t realistic. Sure, make the offer but they better have a super strong plan B. Because it isn’t going to happen.

[CGD]

After reaching the conference finals I’d be more shocked if Atlanta didn’t match a max Collins offer than us drafting Primo. Sure they don’t want to pay the max but they got nothing to replace him with and you don’t win championships letting a core player walk after making a deep run.

Collins isn’t realistic. Sure, make the offer but they better have a super strong plan B. Because it isn’t going to happen.

I actually think he’s pretty expendable given others on the roster and their draft. That said it was telling they were trying to sell on Reddish during the draft.

[slick'81]

Load up that contract sa ,and make atl atleast have to think about it

[CGD]

I don't think it makes sense myself

Agree but I am intrigued by Zach Collin. I have No clue what his market price is right now, especially now that I read he got hurt AGAIN.

[Prime BEEF]

Load up that contract sa ,and make atl atleast have to think about it
Exactly

[mo7888]

Agree but I am intrigued by Zach Collin. I have No clue what his market price is right now, especially now that I read he got hurt AGAIN.

I'm curious about that as well, especially considering he's a rfa I believe

[slick'81]

Agree but I am intrigued by Zach Collin. I have No clue what his market price is right now, especially now that I read he got hurt AGAIN.

Not much at all . Be a decent reclamation project for sa

[Dennis the Menace]

John Collins, Siakam, or Myles Turner.

Make it happen.

Then we can talk about pre ordering playoff tickets

[Kurik]

If the Spurs don't end up signing anyone to a large contract, I no issue with taking a flier on Zach Collins. Don't the Spurs like insurance money or something if he gets injured again?

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[FutureMan]

Because when considering only the young guys, the holes in the front court are a lot bigger than the holes in the backcourt?

No doubt the starting unit needs a proper 4 but im not relying on Rudy Gay or even Mills to “fix” something that significant. I’d just rather have Mills than Gay as my older vet teaching the young guys.

More than likely Mills has just found a better opportunity for $$$ and/or a chance to ring. It feels like with the headlines and verbiage I’m seeing/reading the Spurs or Mills himself is putting it out there so casual Spurs fans aren’t as shocked when it happens.

[lmbebo]

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/report-john-collins-likely-to-sign-120m-deal-with-atlanta-hawks/

[Teamduncan21]

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/report-john-collins-likely-to-sign-120m-deal-with-atlanta-hawks/

No Collins for us I guess.

[slick'81]

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/report-john-collins-likely-to-sign-120m-deal-with-atlanta-hawks/


But EricB said all we had to so was make the offer and he was ours...guess lauri markkanen it is:bang

[Kurik]

Just give Olynyk a massive 1 year contract and be done with it.

[objective]

https://twitter.com/matty_vanpersie/status/1421538892868726786?s=21

Who could it be?

Any thoughts from people who follow euroleague?

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duncan2150

I'm guessing Milutinov.

Kings desperately need center help, and the Spurs have his rights. He had shoulder surgery in February, no idea about his current status. Kings will have the room with the MLE to carve out enough to sign him.

He might be a fallback plan if they can't secure Holmes, which they probably can't.

They have 2 seconds in 2022, and an extra 2nd in 2025 to part with.

[joelcwu]

Latest intriguing rumors: SA is working out S&T DeRozen with Warriors for Oubre Jr. plus Kuminga and picks. It songs too good to be real, let’s not spoil it.

[objective]

Golden State can't receive any player in a sign-and-trade as they're above the apron.

[duncan2150]

I'm guessing Milutinov.

Kings desperately need center help, and the Spurs have his rights. He had shoulder surgery in February, no idea about his current status. Kings will have the room with the MLE to carve out enough to sign him.

He might be a fallback plan if they can't secure Holmes, which they probably can't.

They have 2 seconds in 2022, and an extra 2nd in 2025 to part with.


I was thinking of Mulitinov because inside he's the best center in euroleague with papagiannis ( maybe Tavares) so maybe something for being a C back up in the nba.

[duncan2150]

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/report-john-collins-likely-to-sign-120m-deal-with-atlanta-hawks/


That's ok Collins for the max is not a good idea imo.

[Mnky]

Latest intriguing rumors: SA is working out S&T DeRozen with Warriors for Oubre Jr. plus Kuminga and picks. It songs too good to be real, let’s not spoil it.

From who? Warriors are in a bad spot with the salary cap.

[Teamduncan21]

But we can sign oubre outright. Though you can argue warriors wants DeRozan. So they have to give some. But I'm guessing they would want to give out Wiggins. Since he is paid very high.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/zachcolwell_/status/1421791976546922501

[CGD]

Latest intriguing rumors: SA is working out S&T DeRozen with Warriors for Oubre Jr. plus Kuminga and picks. It songs too good to be real, let’s not spoil it.

Not sure this works, but I assume for Kuminga and picks they also want to unload Wiggins

[CGD]

Golden State can't receive any player in a sign-and-trade as they're above the apron.

Could they get around if they did two separate transactions?

- first, move Wiggins for Kuminga/picks package

- then after waiving all their remaining non-guaranteed deals to get under apron, transact the sign and trade?

[Mr. Body]

Minnesota would be perfect for Markkanen. A nowhere franchise signing a guy who will do nothing to help them win.

[Ocotillo]

I believe the Kuminga trade was shown to be a joke from a fake Woj tweet, not gonna happen.

[Ocotillo]

Minnesota would be perfect for Markkanen. A nowhere franchise signing a guy who will do nothing to help them win.

This

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/zachcolwell_/status/1421791976546922501

Whew. Seeing this article gives me confidence we won’t sign him.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/zachcolwell_/status/1421791976546922501

For same money, I’d rather have the Zach Collins reclamation project.

[CGD]

I believe the Kuminga trade was shown to be a joke from a fake Woj tweet, not gonna happen.

Cool.

I do think if Spurs whiff on free agents, that they should serious explore the “Wiggins for assets” route.

[Degoat]

I really hope we get Lauri Markkanen, I’ve been watching clips of him and I forgot how bad some of the bulls teams were that he’s been with lol I think he still has room to improve

[objective]

Could they get around if they did two separate transactions?

- first, move Wiggins for Kuminga/picks package

- then after waiving all their remaining non-guaranteed deals to get under apron, transact the sign and trade?

no

Apron is about 139.

Just Curry, Green, Thompson, Wiseman, JTA, Poole, Paschall, Moody, Looney gets them to about 130, and that's without Wiggins or Kuminga or any trade for DeRozan. And sign-and-trade that when completed takes a team over the apron can't happen.

[mo7888]

no

Apron is about 139.

Just Curry, Green, Thompson, Wiseman, JTA, Poole, Paschall, Moody, Looney gets them to about 130, and that's without Wiggins or Kuminga or any trade for DeRozan. And sign-and-trade that when completed takes a team over the apron can't happen.

Yup...if they wanted to trade with us they'd be after DJ/White or both...that's a big if...

[CGD]

Yup...if they wanted to trade with us they'd be after DJ/White or both...that's a big if...

Thanks. I think in that case, you still have to look at it. Essentially, what’s the price for Murray/White + massive tax/cap relief by taking Wiggins?

Ideally you can also do a separate DDR deal too.

[duncan2150]

People are really low on Markannen's offense, he is a really good 3 pts shooter and he can do other things. I'm ok for the lack of defense but i think he could be really good in SA ( for the right price).

CGD (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17088) Zach Collins really ? He played 11 games in 2 years.

[CGD]

People are really low on Markannen's offense, he is a really good 3 pts shooter and he can do other things. I'm ok for the lack of defense but i think he could be really good in SA ( for the right price).

CGD (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17088) Zach Collins really ? He played 11 games in 2 years.

Im assuming Marrkanen isn’t getting more than 10m (12m max) starting, so I’d be ok with Zach around 9m. So yeah, I do that.

Lauri’s is a story of “when betting on yourself goes wrong.” I don’t see him getting the deal starting at 15m he passed up last year. Dummy.

[Degoat]

Maybe I’ll be wrong but I think Lauri will still get between 15-18 mill per year lol

[mo7888]

Thanks. I think in that case, you still have to look at it. Essentially, what’s the price for Murray/White + massive tax/cap relief by taking Wiggins?

Ideally you can also do a separate DDR deal too.

It's hard to say what the proce would be but, theoretically if they wanted both white and DJ I'd want Kuminga and Moody at a minimum and either Wiseman or future 1st if I were taking wiggins. If they wanted just one of DJ or White (so they could reduce their tax more) I'd want kuminga and Wiseman.

I know whote or DJ isn't worth that in a vacuum bit, the tax savings of taking wiggins justify it.

[duncan2150]

Maybe I’ll be wrong but I think Lauri will still get between 15-18 mill per year lol

At 10-12 chicago can match easily and trade him, i think the same he will get something in the 15-20 range.

[mo7888]

At 10-12 chicago can match easily and trade him, i think the same he will get something in the 15-20 range.

The hope is that they sign Ball and renounce Lauri...even then I think we are looking at a minimum of $15M/yr on him..

[duncan2150]

The hope is that they sign Ball and renounce Lauri...even then I think we are looking at a minimum of $15M/yr on him..

+1

[BackHome]

Why do people want this guy we in a rebuild and this guy is made out of glass and could not take being benched? He does nothing for us short or long term I would be OK signing him to a 1 year deal but nothing more then that as we are not close to being a good team - Would rather keep Rudy for one more year and have Luka start and at least see what we have with him

[BacktoBasics]

I really hope we get Lauri Markkanen, I’ve been watching clips of him and I forgot how bad some of the bulls teams were that he’s been with lol I think he still has room to improve

I wouldn’t want to give any assets for him outside S&T DDR. I see no reason to accommodate higher money for Lauri plus give an asset like White or Lonnie to make it happen. That would be horrible.

[CGD]

It's hard to say what the proce would be but, theoretically if they wanted both white and DJ I'd want Kuminga and Moody at a minimum and either Wiseman or future 1st if I were taking wiggins. If they wanted just one of DJ or White (so they could reduce their tax more) I'd want kuminga and Wiseman.

I know whote or DJ isn't worth that in a vacuum bit, the tax savings of taking wiggins justify it.

Agree. With Collins seemingly coming off the board and seeing rest of the options out there, Im increasingly of mind that working something out with GSW should be near the top of the list of “plays” that should be made.

The other way to look at is:

1. Is picking up Lauri + another FA like Oubre really the better play? Sure we eat Wiggins deal for 2 more years, but do either of those guys make us that much better over the same period? Doubt it.

2. Is overpaying Zach Collins + getting a few other “distressed assets” here and there better?

3. Is the cost of getting Simmons really worth it given his limitation?

The only other play that appeals to me more is something around a DDR S&T (come on Wizards!), but there is too much smoke are DDR taking Lakers MLE to ignore. Then there is the Knicks, with all that space.

[TD 21]

The Warriors value Wiggins more than most and wouldn't salary dump him with young assets for a poor fit like DeRozan.

They'll wait out a better win now move, even if it takes up until the trade deadline to consummate.

[Ignazzz]

Simmons price is very low. Total costs: 5 Primos. �� only