Shams: Spurs Sending DeMar DeRozan to Chicago for Thad Young, a Future FRP, & 2 SRP’s

[CGD]

— Thad, Aminu, and Doug (once tradable) are very flipable come the trade deadline. Like some combination of those two could be ballast in a Wiggins + assets trade.

— Essentially Spurs rolled over a good chunk of their cap flexibility (depending on a Lonnie extension) for next year, which I hope is better talent wise than this turd sandwich.

— The rebuild is being fully embraced. I suspect this means a paradigm shift when it comes to the trade market too.

[Robz4000]

— Thad, Aminu, and Doug (once tradable) are very flipable come the trade deadline. Like some combination of those two could be ballast in a Wiggins + assets trade.

— Essentially Spurs rolled over a good chunk of their cap flexibility (depending on a Lonnie extension) for next year, which I hope is better talent wise than this turd sandwich.

— The rebuild is being fully embraced. I suspect this means a paradigm shift when it comes to the trade market too.

Again, McDermott has no trade value at $14mil/season. If he was expiring, sure, but a contender isn't gonna take on that extra salary for a net-negative player.

[Robz4000]

:lol these constant double posts are getting annoying

[RC_Drunkford]

Those protections aren't abysmal, but Chicago doesn't even have their 27 second. I don't think they can trade past 2028, so I don't know where they're getting the two seconds from. The Spurs might be able to use that pick in trades before it ckmes due, but I hate any first that has a chance to become seconds.

2022 Lakers 2nd Rounder and 2025 Bulls 2nd. Bulls first the earliest 2025, could change into 2026 up to 2027 cause of their pick swaps in the Vucevic trade.

[HankChinaski]

I am curious to see how much the Z. Collins contract is guaranteed. If only this season has any kind of guaranteed money it looks like the front office positions itself to have upwards to 25+ million in cap space once making final decisions with Lonnie and others next summer, plus if this team fails to make the playoffs lottery bound potentially again putting the rebuild further along the way.

Don't hold me to those numbers. I haven't looked them up

[spurraider21]

:lol these constant double posts are getting annoying
we still on those slolvenian servers?

[spurraider21]

Again, McDermott has no trade value at $14mil/season. If he was expiring, sure, but a contender isn't gonna take on that extra salary for a net-negative player.
yeah, the McBuckets signing doesnt mesh at all with the Derozan move

[raybies]

yeay... now i can finally start watching games again... now that the career losers are gone..

[Robz4000]

we still on those slolvenian servers?
timvp said they're in Dallas now, so prolly the ghetto.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/zachcolwell_/status/1422705949949587457

[BatManu20]

1422702701821927426

[Dverde]

Now which way to the bench?
https://ibb.co/pxMp5Qp
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[baseline bum]

Those protections aren't abysmal, but Chicago doesn't even have their 27 second. I don't think they can trade past 2028, so I don't know where they're getting the two seconds from. The Spurs might be able to use that pick in trades before it ckmes due, but I hate any first that has a chance to become seconds.

Won't be as bad as our first this year that became a second

[Mugen]

Won't be as bad as our first this year that became a second

:lol

[rastaspur]

Now which way to the bench?
https://ibb.co/pxMp5Qp
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Have they ever arrested the guy who beat Aminu with an ugly stick? He did a number on him for sure.

[DPG21920]

I am curious to see how much the Z. Collins contract is guaranteed. If only this season has any kind of guaranteed money it looks like the front office positions itself to have upwards to 25+ million in cap space once making final decisions with Lonnie and others next summer, plus if this team fails to make the playoffs lottery bound potentially again putting the rebuild further along the way.

Don't hold me to those numbers. I haven't looked them up

Early estimates is SA would have roughly 31M without Lonnie. If Zach is non guaranteed, that is 38M.

[barakz21]

Young plays the 4 right? And if I’m not mistaken, Aminu the 4 and 5.. that’s probably gonna mean that Luka won’t be playing a lot of minutes, if he gets to play at all. I was hoping the guy would start this year, he actually played pretty well starting those few games this season.

[raybies]

another great thing about this is he wanted to go... after the trade from toronto i knew this had to play out LUL... cause i was scared his feelings would be too hurt if he got traded before then

[objective]

1422702701821927426

Being called classy by an outgoing player is worth more to the Spurs than any player or pick protection

They just won the classy title.

Zollins will do the same thing when he Medically retires in 30 months

[Chinook]

2022 Lakers 2nd Rounder and 2025 Bulls 2nd. Bulls first the earliest 2025, could change into 2026 up to 2027 cause of their pick swaps in the Vucevic trade.

I'm talking about the ultimate fate of the first-rounder. Someone said it turns into seconds. My question is, which seconds it turns into.

[acoelho1]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

[EasyMoney]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.


They are all horny over john collins. They didn't get their golden boy. So they automatically hate everything the spurs do. This forum is absolutely insufferable. Full of fucking morons. I've blocked half the people on here and I have started to weed out the far better posts on here like Dejounte.

[timvp]

Those protections are pretty good :tu

Top 10 in 2025, top 8 in 2026, top 8 in 2027. (It could be top 10 in 2026, top 8 in 2027, top 8 in 2028 depending on when the Bulls end up sending a protected first to the Magic.)

We've seen a lot of lottery protected picks traded lately and that's a lot worse than these protections. The chances of the Bulls not conveying a first round pick to the Spurs at some point is low.

Warming up to this trade but still pondering all the ramifications . . .

[HankChinaski]

Early estimates is SA would have roughly 31M without Lonnie. If Zach is non guaranteed, that is 38M.

All things considered, not a good off season but overall long term they still have flexibility pursuing the draft and free agency next off season which could have a better class of free agency, make final assessments of some for the young bloods

I'm not a fan of the moves overall but having time to consider the actions under a lens it is doesn't fully renew faith with the front office but at least shows where they are heading.

[Blackhaus]

Agree on all points, finally some sense spoken

[Blackhaus]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something’s is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

Agree on all points, finally some sense spoken

[Mr. Body]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

Signing J Collins would have been a disaster.

[Slippy]

Glad to see Demar off the team. No Patty either. Two ball dominant players gone.

Good sign for Lonnie Walker's role .

[GAustex]

And Lamarcus Deal…wait.
And Carrolll Deal…wait.
And Mills Deal…wait.
And Rudy Gay Deal…wait.
The Carroll signing and rolling with Forbes was the last straw with me.

[timvp]

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that this was a TERRIBLE trade by the Bulls. Really damn bad. They massively overpaid DeRozan when the market had dried up, traded away arguably their most impactful player last year in Thad Young AND traded away the final first round draft pick they can trade for a while. The second round picks are whatever but that's just an amazingly bad trade by Chicago. All for the upside of being like a 6th seed in the East.

It wasn't a great trade by the Spurs but what Chicago did was the worst move of the offseason so far.

[DPG21920]

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that this was a TERRIBLE trade by the Bulls. Really damn bad. They massively overpaid DeRozan when the market had dried up, traded away arguably their most impactful player last year in Thad Young AND traded away the final first round draft pick they can trade for a while. The second round picks are whatever but that's just an amazingly bad trade by Chicago. All for the upside of being like a 6th seed in the East.

It wasn't a great trade by the Spurs but what Chicago did was the worst move of the offseason so far.

Which kind of begs the question is: Had CHI not done that, what would SA have done? But timvp, dont worry - CHI can just EASILY trade DeRozan if they need to.

[Eaglenole2002]

On the surface, spending all this cap space to come away with McDermott, Collins, Aminu and Young is disappointing, it’s nice that the DDR trade involves expiring contracts that will allow us to be flexible next year after giving the young core to grow and see where we’re headed. This was an incredibly weak FA class so it made sense to punt for next year.

With any luck, Young gets flipped at the deadline and we end up getting a high lottery pick from Chicago down the line.

[ElNono]

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that this was a TERRIBLE trade by the Bulls. Really damn bad. They massively overpaid DeRozan when the market had dried up, traded away arguably their most impactful player last year in Thad Young AND traded away the final first round draft pick they can trade for a while. The second round picks are whatever but that's just an amazingly bad trade by Chicago. All for the upside of being like a 6th seed in the East.

It wasn't a great trade by the Spurs but what Chicago did was the worst move of the offseason so far.

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.

[timvp]

Which kind of begs the question is: Had CHI not done that, what would SA have done?

Probably sign a couple vets to one-year deals. But, instead, the Spurs essentially did that with Young and Aminu ... and got a first round pick that has about a 99% chance of conveying :tu

[ElNono]

In an ideal world, Thad Young becomes a leader to these kids, and fulfills his potential. He's a solid talent. It probably won't happen though, but hey, I rather watch him next season than DDR.

[Mr. Body]

On the surface, spending all this cap space to come away with McDermott, Collins, Aminu and Young is disappointing, it’s nice that the DDR trade involves expiring contracts that will allow us to be flexible next year after giving the young core to grow and see where we’re headed. This was an incredibly weak FA class so it made sense to punt for next year.

With any luck, Young gets flipped at the deadline and we end up getting a high lottery pick from Chicago down the line.

It's only disappointing if like most people here you haven't a fucking clue about basketball. Every one of these moves is for the current talent on the team and moving forward. This site is so incredibly amateurish, so incredibly childish, it's hilarious to me.

[timvp]

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.

Cool, Chicago is a good model to follow. Just look at what they'd do and do the opposite :tu

[Mugen]

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.

No first round picks homie

[Kurik]

Probably sign a couple vets to one-year deals. But, instead, the Spurs essentially did that with Young and Aminu ... and got a first round pick that has about a 99% chance of conveying :tu

Just curious, why will the draft pick have a high chance of conveying?

[baseline bum]

Signing J Collins would have been a disaster.

Thank god we got Zach instead you son of a bitch, I'm in

[Mr. Body]

In an ideal world, Thad Young becomes a leader to these kids, and fulfills his potential. He's a solid talent. It probably won't happen though, but hey, I rather watch him next season than DDR.

I don't thing it's an ideal world. McDermott and Young can easily become veteran leaders in the locker room without disrupting the emerging leadership of the young players. By all accounts they are both highly professional and will regarded. Except the geniuses on this board seem to think that's a bad thing.

[Mr. Body]

Thank god we got Zach instead you son of a bitch, I'm in

The way your moron piss your pants about that one. :lol

What a bunch of clowns. This is the den of the stupidest, saddest, clown face Spurs fans on the planet.

[timvp]

Just curious, why will the draft pick have a high chance of conveying?

The Bulls would have to finish bottom 10, bottom 8 and bottom 8 for three straight years for it to not convey. That's pretty damn unlikely. Especially because their core is young enough that they'll be around for 4 or 5 years.

The Hollinger article (the source of the picks conditions) doesn't even say it'd switch into a second round pick after that. For all we know, it could still be a first round pick after three unsuccessful conveys.

[baseline bum]

The way your moron piss your pants about that one. :lol

What a bunch of clowns. This is the den of the stupidest, saddest, clown face Spurs fans on the planet.

Can you write that first sentence in English please? I can't tell if I'm in yet you son of a bitch.

[lefty20]

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.

Chicago can afford to send out a G League team out there to win 6 games for the year. Spurs, as a small market, are not in the same position. If we had a owner with deep pockets then it wouldn't matter so much. But the Holts are not that well off, at least compared to other owners.

[Chinook]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

1) Not really good. By many measurements, Gay or DeRozan were one of the best players on the team last year. ST is extremely toxic to the team's players, but the team losing its best player isn't a good thing, no matter how much this forum hated them.

2) Draft was fine. I agree. I don't think anyone can credibly say it was bad. There's a wait-and-see thing with Primo for sure. But it was fine and could be very good.

3) Not bad, but uncreative. The Spurs needed to blow up their roster -- not just the old parts. This signing is a major investment in the young players, and that's a bad direction to go. Rebuilding or reloading, they have to cull their flock, not just keep trying to force the knot to get tighter.

4) Horrible.

Overall a bad free agency period. I now basically have no faith in the Spurs to figure out their way through their valley they're in. There are more than two "lanes" they could be in, but they are picking a horrible one right now. Just doing the DeRozan trade and taking Favors would've been a far superior strategy, John Collins or no.

Still, there's still time for more trading. They have too many guaranteed contracts right now, and while they should be willing to have dead money if it means keeping the best guys, they shouldn't piss money away for no reason.

[Mr. Body]

Can you write that first sentence in English please? I can't tell if I'm in yet you son of a bitch.

I don't give a shit about you or your beliefs. :lol

But this pissing and moaning for giving a shot at a good player with a contact less than league average. :lol

Like literally dude I don't care how stupid you are. You're just one of several dozen of the stupidest people I've seen in one place since the last Trump rally.

[ElNono]

Cool, Chicago is a good model to follow. Just look at what they'd do and do the opposite :tu

:lol not saying it's a good model to follow, just that they're not afraid to tank. They got unlucky with Rose getting hurt, but they had something good going there, for example.

A more reasonable comeback is that they're in a bigger market, and so the comparison is a bit apples to oranges, and I would agree with that.

[ElNono]

Chicago can afford to send out a G League team out there to win 6 games for the year. Spurs, as a small market, are not in the same position. If we had a owner with deep pockets then it wouldn't matter so much. But the Holts are not that well off, at least compared to other owners.

Agree with this.

[Mr. Body]

1) Not really good. By many measurements, Gay or DeRozan were one of the best players on the team last year. ST is extremely toxic to the team's players, but the team losing its best player isn't a good thing, no matter how much this forum hated them.

2) Draft was fine. I agree. I don't think anyone can credibly say it was bad. There's a wait-and-see thing with Primo for sure. But it was fine and could be very good.

3) Not bad, but uncreative. The Spurs needed to blow up their roster -- not just the old parts. This signing is a major investment in the young players, and that's a bad direction to go. Rebuilding or reloading, they have to cull their flock, not just keep trying to force the knot to get tighter.

4) Horrible.

Overall a bad free agency period. I now basically have no faith in the Spurs to figure out their way through their valley they're in. There are more than two "lanes" they could be in, but they are picking a horrible one right now. Just doing the DeRozan trade and taking Favors would've been a far superior strategy, John Collins or no.

Still, there's still time for more trading. They have too many guaranteed contracts right now, and while they should be willing to have dead money if it means keeping the best guys, they shouldn't piss money away for no reason.

Blowing up this team would have been remarkably dumb. They'd spend years just to get back to where they are now. Usually you're pretty bright, but blowing up and tanking is absolutely not the way to go. Instead they jettisoned their old vets and are retooling to let the youth grow into the players they could become.

[baseline bum]

I don't give a shit about you or your beliefs. :lol

But this pissing and moaning for giving a shot at a good player with a contact less than league average. :lol

Like literally dude I don't care how stupid you are. You're just one of several dozen of the stupidest people I've seen in one place since the last Trump rally.

You know, when you think everyone is an asshole it's usually you you son of a bitch. I'm in.

[ElNono]

I don't thing it's an ideal world. McDermott and Young can easily become veteran leaders in the locker room without disrupting the emerging leadership of the young players. By all accounts they are both highly professional and will regarded. Except the geniuses on this board seem to think that's a bad thing.

Nah, it's bittersweet because I'm pretty sure everyone wanted the old vets out, but the other FA deals are pretty pathetic and once more displays that this FO doesn't appear to have any sense of direction.

I'm good with flipping DDR for Young and picks. I think they whiffed everything else, especially Zollins and that lottery pick (I'm not down on Primo, but I think he could've been had lower).

[MI21]

I don't give a shit about you or your beliefs. :lol

But this pissing and moaning for giving a shot at a good player with a contact less than league average. :lol

Like literally dude I don't care how stupid you are. You're just one of several dozen of the stupidest people I've seen in one place since the last Trump rally.

I'm not here to get into a back and forth, but I've seen a few people saying this. In what world has Zach Collins proven he is a good, let alone league average NBA player? Honestly. He's the type of guy that gets a clap for doing something positive because it's such a surprise.

[BWS-1994]

Could absolutely see Pop playing Young/Aminu/McDipshit 30 mins a game tbh. On the bright side it'll mean more losses.

Probably to drive up value before trade deadline? Either way, more losses for top 5 pick at least sounds interesting.

[BWS-1994]

Hypothetical: Maybe John Collins saw the direction the Spurs are heading and the roster they have and didn’t want to join the tank/ rebuild?

[DPG21920]

Probably sign a couple vets to one-year deals. But, instead, the Spurs essentially did that with Young and Aminu ... and got a first round pick that has about a 99% chance of conveying :tu

Really hoping that once this gets all finalized this deal expands and Thad is re-routed somewhere for a pick + younger player.

[Robz4000]

You know, when you think everyone is an asshole it's usually you you son of a bitch. I'm in.

You son of a bitch. I'm in.

[Chinook]

Blowing up this team would have been remarkably dumb. They'd spend years just to get back to where they are now. Usually you're pretty bright, but blowing up and tanking is absolutely not the way to go. Instead they jettisoned their old vets and are retooling to let the youth grow into the players they could become.

I'm not a tanker. But the core that is rotting the team is the cleaving to medicore young players, not having vets who instantly got good contracts as soon as they were available.

[Ocotillo]

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.
Why would they tank when they have traded away their near term draft picks?

[acoelho1]

1) Not really good. By many measurements, Gay or DeRozan were one of the best players on the team last year. ST is extremely toxic to the team's players, but the team losing its best player isn't a good thing, no matter how much this forum hated them.

Fine but we are never going to know what we have with DDR, Mills & Gay dominating the ball. You can’t have it both ways where you want them to blow it up and then complain when they let the vets walk. I’m willing to bet you will see a better version of the Spurs this year and a clearer path forward into the future. This is an A+ outcome any which way you see unless you are arguing that the Spurs should have ran it back one more time which no one wants.



3) Not bad, but uncreative. The Spurs needed to blow up their roster -- not just the old parts. This signing is a major investment in the young players, and that's a bad direction to go. Rebuilding or reloading, they have to cull their flock, not just keep trying to force the knot to get tighter.

Again, no huge investment and he’s a solid pro that brings shooting & spacing to the team. His signing will hardly impact the overall success of this team and the ancillary benefits outweigh any negatives in my view.



4) Horrible.

Definitely the most questionable of the moves but if he can remain healthy, it’s a solid pickup. Time will tell.


Overall a bad free agency period. I now basically have no faith in the Spurs to figure out their way through their valley they're in. There are more than two "lanes" they could be in, but they are picking a horrible one right now. Just doing the DeRozan trade and taking Favors would've been a far superior strategy, John Collins or no .

You are all over the place and there’s no realistic move that would have us in any better position than where we currently stand. Just as a reminder, we are in this position because Leonard didn’t want to be a Spur anymore and it’s had a huge impact in terms of recovering from losing a top 5 player. We are finally getting out of that messy divorce by trading DDR. As I said, this year will be the most important since that KL trade and I feel very confident that people will feel a lot better about this roster going forward.

[CGD]

— Thad, Aminu, and Doug (once tradable) are very flipable come the trade deadline. Like some combination of those two could be ballast in a Wiggins + assets trade.

— Essentially Spurs rolled over a good chunk of their cap flexibility (depending on a Lonnie extension) for next year, which I hope is better talent wise than this turd sandwich.

— The rebuild is being fully embraced. I suspect this means a paradigm shift when it comes to the trade market too.

[SAGirl]

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Thaddeus Young's extra effort when he's on the court has earned him an honor from the NBA for his 2021-2022 season. More on the Hustle Award win at @WGNNews (https://twitter.com/WGNNews/). wgntv.com/sports/bulls/b… (https://t.co/WEvADDuJ3Q)


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Bulls' Thaddeus Young wins 2020-21 NBA Hustle Award Bulls forward Thaddeus Young led all NBA players in charges drawn and offensive loose balls recovered on a per-minute basis. (via @brian_martin (https://twitter.com/brian_martin/)) app.link.nba.com/e/hustleaward (https://t.co/duicb29wKC)


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Thaddeus Young is one of only a handful of players since the merger that has registered at least a 25.0 REB%, 14.0 AST%, 2.0 STL%, and 2.0 BLK% in the same season. He also did that in the fewest amount of starts of any of the players on this list.
I think Pop will love him. I don’t see him getting flipped bc the Spurs will like him enough. In fact I dare say he was a specific demand from the FO in exchange for Derozan. I don’t think the Bulls wanted to give him up. They likely wanted to give up Lauri.

We must acknowledge that this was a request from the Spurs.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Regardless of the return for DeMar, this gives our young guys a better opportunity to flourish regardless of our record this year I’m excited to finally see these young guys just go out there and play. Don’t have to worry about Bryn, Marco, Rudy, DeMar, Patty and probably some more that I’m missing take minutes away from the future of this team. I’m excited as hell for this season tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs would be smart to try and flip Young/Aminu to a contender for a 1st, and call Philly back up and see if they're willing to renegotiate tbh

[tbdog]

Aminu is done as a player. 10mil and he avg like 2ppg. Like he is done.

On other news, how about schrolder. The guy rejected 20mil and has gotten nothing.

[ElNono]

Why would they tank when they have traded away their near term draft picks?

We're talking about a hypothetical case where DDR doesn't pan out for them. Much easier to do a fire sale in Chicago.

[Fusternino]

Aminu injures truly career-ending, then? Remember he was the ideal combo forward summer of 2019.

[R. DeMurre]

Aminu is done as a player. 10mil and he avg like 2ppg. Like he is done.

On other news, how about schrolder. The guy rejected 20mil and has gotten nothing.


I don't know the exact details of his injury, but he seems to be in the same boat as Z Collins... It's unfortunate for him, because he had the best season of his career in 2019 with Portland, and has never been the same since his meniscus surgery.

[SAGirl]

Zollins and Aminu are cooked.

[Sugus]

man you so tiring, you talk about his contract and that it will embarass spurs cap space next year.

They will easily find a trade partner imo if they want some cap for mc dermott next year, that's just my take. Contenders value that kind of player for the spacing.

For a guy who is talking about rebuild months ago, you have some strange opinions.

I'm so glad this isn't a me-only problem :lol

Agree with this. McD is not only not overpaid, he'ss easily moved if need be - matter of fact, having somewhat sizeable contracts that are expendable can be great for teams, since you can match incoming salary with said contract and bring in players of interest that you couldn't if you only had disposable rookie scale contracts and not enough cap space to absorb the incoming salary. Not to mention he's a shooter, in his prime, plays a position where shooting is demanded, in a league where shooting has never been more valuable than right now. No way Spurs are "stuck" with him, unless they want to be.


:lol no one is trading for McDermott at $14mil/year

Nobody's trading for him mainly because the Spurs aren't a hot commodity market, tbh, other teams know they just gotta wait out a players' contract and can get them for much less than we (have to) pay them to get them in the first place. Anyhow, it's equally as likely that a team wants McD outright (yes, at that price, he's not overpaid, ST is just 3-4 years behind in understanding the new deal $ landscape), or that a team seeks McD and his salary as part of a bigger trade where the Spurs get a similarly-sized contract. Those happen all the time, too....

...though I'm still not fully sold on Wright's ability to create such a deal in the first place, tbh :lol

[Sugus]

Again, McDermott has no trade value at $14mil/season. If he was expiring, sure, but a contender isn't gonna take on that extra salary for a net-negative player.

Bruh what? :lol I swear y'all make up the weirdest shit to shit on the Spurs lmao..... McD posted a positive 3.8WS last season, positive VORP, positive metrics across the board. Talk about a strawman just to say he'll have no trade value lmfao

[Mr. Body]

I'm not here to get into a back and forth, but I've seen a few people saying this. In what world has Zach Collins proven he is a good, let alone league average NBA player? Honestly. He's the type of guy that gets a clap for doing something positive because it's such a surprise.

Are you fucking serious? Jesus Christ, just stop watching basketball. Just go back to the playground.

[Sugus]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the circumstances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

I'm locking you and DPG21920 in a cage, whoever gets out first can decide how the off-season went for the Spurs :lol

[Robz4000]

Bruh what? :lol I swear y'all make up the weirdest shit to shit on the Spurs lmao..... McD posted a positive 3.8WS last season, positive VORP, positive metrics across the board. Talk about a strawman just to say he'll have no trade value lmfao

OffRtg: 110.5
DefRtg: 112.3
NetRtg: -1.8

[MI21]

Are you fucking serious? Jesus Christ, just stop watching basketball. Just go back to the playground.

Very angry and pointed response, seems a bit extreme. Just asking a question - what exactly has he proven to demonstrate he is a good player because I'm not seeing any evidence of it.

Hope all is OK with you.

[toki9]

Apologies if already posted, but per Hollinger: "The Bulls sent a moderately protected first-round pick to San Antonio (told the protections are top-10 in the first year, top-8 in the second and third years; the pick can convey as early as 2025 or as late as 2028), along with two second-round picks."

[Kurik]

Apologies if already posted, but per Hollinger: "The Bulls sent a moderately protected first-round pick to San Antonio (told the protections are top-10 in the first year, top-8 in the second and third years; the pick can convey as early as 2025 or as late as 2028), along with two second-round picks."

Thanks, I hadn’t seen it yet. As Timvp said, it has an extremely high chance of conveying if not the first year.

[Robz4000]

Very angry and pointed response, seems a bit extreme. Just asking a question - what exactly has he proven to demonstrate he is a good player because I'm not seeing any evidence of it.

Hope all is OK with you.

I guess the son of a bitch isn't in?

[Trainwreck2100]

People out here seriously mad about this shit? They got a first round pick for nothing. Good for everyone involved demar was never going to excel here

[Sugus]

OffRtg: 110.5
DefRtg: 112.3
NetRtg: -1.8

Nevermind, I was checking BBallRef and you're using the NBA stats page, I see where I got it mixed up. Interesting to note he had a negative NetRtg only for last season, posting positive ones the previous two seasons of 3.1 and 3.6, then a similar fluctuation in previous years that might be more correlated to growing pains. I don't follow the Pacers nearly closely enough to know what happened specifically last season that led to such a drastic change; and even though you're correct and I'll gladly eat crow, I think you're absolutely selling him short by calling him simply a "net negative player". He ain't no DeRozan...

[Robz4000]

Nevermind, I was checking BBallRef and you're using the NBA stats page, I see where I got it mixed up. Interesting to note he had a negative NetRtg only for last season, posting positive ones the previous two seasons of 3.1 and 3.6, then a similar fluctuation in previous years that might be more correlated to growing pains. I don't follow the Pacers nearly closely enough to know what happened specifically last season that led to such a drastic change; and even though you're correct and I'll gladly eat crow, I think you're absolutely selling him short by calling him simply a "net negative player". He ain't no DeRozan...

He isn't DePression bad on defense, but he isn't good by any stretch. IIRC, you were livid watching Gay last season on that end. He'll basically be that.

Edit: Take it back, Gay was actually the much better player defensively. He's closer to DePression on defense statistically after all.

[Teamduncan21]

He isn't DePression bad on defense, but he isn't good by any stretch. IIRC, you were livid watching Gay last season on that end. He'll basically be that.

Edit: Take it back, Gay was actually the much better player defensively. He's closer to DePression on defense statistically after all.

as long as he dont play ridiculously large minutes and dont hog the ball a lot like Gay. The reason Gay becomes frustrating is cause he gets to play a lot and hog the ball a lot.

[Sugus]

He isn't DePression bad on defense, but he isn't good by any stretch. IIRC, you were livid watching Gay last season on that end. He'll basically be that.

You really gonna kill my vibe like that before the season even starts, huh?! :lmao

Forreal though, the thing that annoyed me most about Rudy wasn't his bad defense - it was his ball-hogging. You could feel it through the screen, when he got the ball and had already decided he'd take a shot before the play was even "set up"... That ISO-first mentality just killed team play - when he did it, when DeRozen did it, when Patty did it. I can absolutely live with a player who's not the most stellar defender (what are we paying Jakob for, after all?!) but who buys into team play, passes the ball, and isn't afraid to shoot it when necessary. From the little I've gathered on McD, I don't think I'll hate him nearly as much as Gay, even if both are technically the same "net negative player".

Having said that, the most important part is always expectation. Way different to see a player chuck you out of the game when you wanna win that game, or want to lose it :lol


as long as he dont play ridiculously large minutes and dont hog the ball a lot like Gay. The reason Gay becomes frustrating is cause he gets to play a lot and hog the ball a lot.

You and me both, brother :lol

[J_Paco]

Never fails. You're too easy. :lmao

Sure, I'm not the one on here always pissing, moaning and crying (even when they're finally hitting the "rebuild" button).

[Isitjustme?]

Great deal for SA. Can't believe they got a first for DDR.

[BackHome]

Really hoping that once this gets all finalized this deal expands and Thad is re-routed somewhere for a pick + younger player.

+1 Now were cooking

[Teamduncan21]

+1 Now were cooking

this might happen near trade deadline where a team fighting for 8th seed or a team in playoff and feels like they are a piece away (like pj tucker for bucks), or someone getting injured on a playoff team

[spursparker9]

I want trae young. not thad young

[DPG21920]

I'm locking you and DPG21920 in a cage, whoever gets out first can decide how the off-season went for the Spurs :lol

lol I feel so bad for that poster. World of hurt.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

But we need to bottom out. The biggest issue has been lack of direction and being bad enough for crappy picks but not a playoff team….Spurs have 50M and now? Same exact spot likely if Thad/Doug get a bunch of minutes.


Collins makes way more sense than Doug. Collins is at least young lol. Spurs obviously prioritized youth (Doug is 29 and a shit defender) and cap space next year (Doug is a 3 year deal 14M per). Literally makes no sense now.

Obviously we'll never know but it sure seems they tried for J Collins, got told he's going back to Atl and then flipped DDR to Bulls. Yeah Collins is obviously better than anyone the Spurs signed but it doesn't seem he was an option at all.

They've clearly picked a direction though, make no mistake. They're going to be very bad next season. McDermott and Young, while good players, aren't there to accumulate wins but to help young guys develop. They're putting the ball in White's , Murray's , Lonnie's hands and letting them sink or swim. These vets will help - McDermott by spacing the floor while not needing the ball in his hands and Young as a tough dude who's a damn good playmaker from the PF/C position. Both can be traded for future assets as well. Considering some of the deals on the market, say Devonte Graham's, they're alright.

The Bulls first's protections are about as good as people could have realistically expected and will convey at some point, plus if they can turn Young into a late first or a couple more 2nds at the trade deadline, the whole S&T would be a huge success.

Zach Collins, I have no idea what they're thinking. Hopefully most of the 2nd and 3rd season salary is non guaranteed. A cheap(ish) swing on a young guy's potential is what rebuilding teams should try to do.

But again - above all - they've decided on a direction. They may not be outright tanking, but they'll end up there anyway unless some young guys make a leap, which would surely be a good thing. I still think it's a 20-25 win team.

[slick'81]

Damn i thought thaddeus was like 36 since hes been in the league forever . Still he's 33& was drafted in '07. this will be his 15th season :wow

[BillMc]

One wonders how good Chicago will be and if they can even break the top 5 in the East next season. Not likely.

[Brazil]

thats a pretty good news tbh...

[Uriel]

On the first day of free agency, the Heat called the Spurs and offered Iguodala in a sign-and-trade for DeRozan. The Spurs said no thanks because they had a better offer. Now we know that offer was from the Bulls.

The Spurs didn’t pull the trigger right away because they elected to participate in the John Collins sweepstakes. But once it became clear Collins and Hawks were making progress on a deal, they called the Bulls up and accepted their offer.

[Uriel]

Probably sign a couple vets to one-year deals. But, instead, the Spurs essentially did that with Young and Aminu ... and got a first round pick that has about a 99% chance of conveying :tu
I did the math. It’s actually a 97.6% chance, assuming the Bulls have an equal probability of finishing anywhere in the standings in ‘25, ‘26, and ‘27.

[Uriel]

San Antonio Spurs: B+

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At the price the Bulls paid, retaining DeRozan would have made little sense for the Spurs, who should be building around a core of young talent including Keldon Johnson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4395723/keldon-johnson), Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray), Jakob Poeltl (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134908/jakob-poeltl) and Derrick White (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white). Getting a first-round pick for taking on one year of Aminu's salary is a strong outcome for San Antonio, which might be able to add more draft compensation by flipping Young to a contender at the deadline.

The question for the Spurs is whether the way they used their remaining cap space was sensible. San Antonio went big for Doug McDermott (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528588/doug-mcdermott), agreeing to a three-year, $42 million deal with the unrestricted free agent on Monday. At 29, McDermott doesn't fit the Spurs' timeline either, and his defensive shortcomings figure to be exacerbated as he hits his 30s.

San Antonio also signed Zach Collins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins) to a three-year, $22 million deal. It remains to be seen whether some of that money is protected for the Spurs in case Collins continues to deal with injuries after missing 62 games in 2019-20 following surgery to repair a shoulder labrum tear and all of the 2020-21 campaign due to recurring stress fractures in his ankle that have required three surgeries in the past year.

I'm surprised the price was so high, but at least there's a theory to signing Collins. He showed potential as a mobile defender who could space the floor prior to his injuries. If Collins gets healthy, there's a chance San Antonio snagged a bargain, although all the rehab has also prevented Collins from working to develop his game.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31951508/nba-trade-grades-wins-demar-derozan-deal-chicago-bulls-san-antonio-spurs

[biziofromdowntown]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31951508/nba-trade-grades-wins-demar-derozan-deal-chicago-bulls-san-antonio-spurs

It's pretty clear, we snitched a quite good trade but went with dumber signings. One name is enough, Forbes.

[BWS-1994]

Read a Windhorst piece that Spurs tried for Lauri, but his asking price was too high to their liking. Maybe it was supposed to be Lauri instead of Young?

[TD 21]

Sure, I'm not the one on here always pissing, moaning and crying (even when they're finally hitting the "rebuild" button).

:lmao Still taking it seriously.

[slick'81]

Poor spurs

[J_Paco]

On the first day of free agency, the Heat called the Spurs and offered Iguodala in a sign-and-trade for DeRozan. The Spurs said no thanks because they had a better offer. Now we know that offer was from the Bulls.

The Spurs didn’t pull the trigger right away because they elected to participate in the John Collins sweepstakes. But once it became clear Collins and Hawks were making progress on a deal, they called the Bulls up and accepted their offer.

Iguodala for DeMar DeRozan even with picks attached would've been an absolutely terrible trade.

Thankfully, they went with an actually serviceable player, another they can easily buyout or waive and picks.

[wildbill2u]

well said. :bobo

[CGD]

I see Nets get a Trade Exception out of this thing. Do we think that’s how they’re getting Patty?

[Chinook]

I see Nets get a Trade Exception out of this thing. Do we think that’s how they’re getting Patty?

Not if the deal they reported remains as such. They gave Mills a two-year deal. S&Ts are for at least three. For sure, it would be nice if SA could get either a TE or use Mills to get Collins to preserve space, but that's not very likely.

[Atl Spur]

Lauri will be a spur......

[Kurgan]

Lauri will be a spur......

Lauri wants more money than the Spurs are willing to give. For once, I agree with the FO

[Arcadian]

Well, we officially have no all-stars on our team anymore. The hard rebuild has begun.

[Robz4000]

Well, we officially have no all-stars on our team anymore. The hard rebuild has begun.

They haven't had one since LMA fell off a cliff tbh.

[The Truth #6]

It’s a retool, supposedly. And tanking inadvertently.

[TheDoctor]

I prefer Thad Young over Lauri if that means we can manage to package Young plus another player to a Contender at deadline. With Collins is wait and see but it’s not looking pretty tbh.

[DPG21920]

I really hope Sa expands the deal now vs waiting. I don’t see Thads value improving in SA

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I liked the idea of the Spurs taking a flyer on Zach Collins but not at the price they paid. SMH

i liked the DeRozan trade for us though. The Bulls overpaid

[Arcadian]

They haven't had one since LMA fell off a cliff tbh.

Well now we don't even have a former all-star on the roster. Hopefully we have a future all-star in Keldon.

[TD 21]

I really hope Sa expands the deal now vs waiting. I don’t see Thads value improving in SA

I doubt there's any more trades, but the only one that springs to mind for Young is for Hernangomez, Layman and their '22 2nd.

Similar premise to the most recent trade, either re-route or waive Layman's $3.9M expiring, get a high 2nd for the cost and take a flier on a semi interesting, youngish modern four, with one guaranteed season remaining.

[BWS-1994]

I doubt there's any more trades, but the only one that springs to mind for Young is for Hernangomez, Layman and their '22 2nd.

Similar premise to the most recent trade, either re-route or waive Layman's $3.9M expiring, get a high 2nd for the cost and take a flier on a semi interesting, youngish modern four, with one guaranteed season remaining.

Especially since Juan Hernangomez was said to be upset that the Twolves didn’t allow him to play in the Olympics because of his recovering injury.

[Chillen]

Bulls likely going to be a playoff team now. woo hoo. Welcome DeMar!

[Robz4000]

Bulls likely going to be a playoff team now. woo hoo. Welcome DeMar!

:lol maybe the play-in tournament

[timtonymanu]

:lol maybe the play-in tournament

Still more wins than our team though lol

[Robz4000]

Still more wins than our team though lol

I would hope so. Spurs need to keep the tank on track.

[timtonymanu]

I would hope so. Spurs need to keep the tank on track.

Agreed but I'm already doubting their drafting abilities at this point. I can see them going after the next Darko Milicic with a top 2 pick. :lol

[Robz4000]

Agreed but I'm already doubting their drafting abilities at this point. I can see them going after the next Darko Milicic with a top 2 pick. :lol

:depressed

[Teamduncan21]

Bulls likely going to be a playoff team now. woo hoo. Welcome DeMar!

then its a win win trade, good luck

[Mnky]

Read a Windhorst piece that Spurs tried for Lauri, but his asking price was too high to their liking. Maybe it was supposed to be Lauri instead of Young?

Lauri was the the original trade, spurs said no because Lauri wanted too much.

[DeRozan m8]

Bulls likely going to be a playoff team now. woo hoo. Welcome DeMar!

Don't get too excited tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Bulls likely going to be a playoff team now. woo hoo. Welcome DeMar!

statistically Thad Young impacts winning more than DeRozan

[Uriel]

Is it a given that Aminu is auto-waived? We haven’t seen any news about him yet. Wouldn’t it make sense to hold on to him to see what he can do? At the very least, he could be an asset at the deadline as an expiring contract.

[Chinook]

Is it a given that Aminu is auto-waived? We haven’t seen any news about him yet. Wouldn’t it make sense to hold on to him to see what he can do? At the very least, he could be an asset at the deadline as an expiring contract.

Can't hold onto everyone. Dunno that that'd be enough to justify cutting Eubanks or KBD. Might be. The team doesn't have to make that decision until after camp

[gambit1990]

i called aminu being a spur a very long time ago but of course the search is disabled.

[PuzzBeterson]

Rumours floating around about Saric and Jalen Smith for Thad. Thoughts? Jalen is a nice young asset with upside and at a position of need.

[Chinook]

Rumours floating around about Saric and Jalen Smith for Thad. Thoughts? Jalen is a nice young asset with upside and at a position of need.

Makes me wonder what the plan would be for Saric. The team doesn't have two IR spots on their roster. I doubt the Spurs would stretch him to save the spot, too. It would be nice if the Spurs did find a way to get Smith a first and two seconds for DeRozan.

[mo7888]

Makes me wonder what the plan would be for Saric. The team doesn't have two IR spots on their roster. I doubt the Spurs would stretch him to save the spot, too. It would be nice if the Spurs did find a way to get Smith a first and two seconds for DeRozan.

I've gotta think either Weiskamp is a 2-way (doubtful) or were moving on from Eubanks in some form or fashion.

[CGD]

Rumours floating around about Saric and Jalen Smith for Thad. Thoughts? Jalen is a nice young asset with upside and at a position of need.

In a heart beat.

[Seventyniner]

You know what would have saved a roster spot? NOT SIGNING BRYN FUCKING FORBES.

[spurspl]

You know what would have saved a roster spot? NOT SIGNING BRYN FUCKING FORBES.

and zach "call an ambulance" collins

[ace3g]

Someone brought up the Bulls might have to wait on Lauri decision before making this trade official.

[ismael-robert]

Rumours floating around about Saric and Jalen Smith for Thad. Thoughts? Jalen is a nice young asset with upside and at a position of need.

The thoughts have all been getting posted in the free agency thread on this topic

[CGD]

Someone brought up the Bulls might have to wait on Lauri decision before making this trade official.

Wonder what the mechanics of that are? Seems like they are unrelated matters.

[The Truth #6]

Wonder what the mechanics of that are? Seems like they are unrelated matters.

https://www.blogabull.com/2021/8/10/22618313/lauri-markkanen-awkwardly-still-a-chicago-bull

This article mentions some maneuvers the Bulls FO is doing, it seems to dry up Laurie’s market so he has to sign cheaply with them. Also reports the Bulls are trying to s/t Laurie. I’m guessing that’s part of the holdup.

Edit: meaning, I wonder if they are trying to figure out how much space they have to facilitate siging or s/t Laurie. But I’m no capologist so I’ll defer to others.

[exstatic]

https://www.blogabull.com/2021/8/10/22618313/lauri-markkanen-awkwardly-still-a-chicago-bull

This article mentions some maneuvers the Bulls FO is doing, it seems to dry up Laurie’s market so he has to sign cheaply with them. Also reports the Bulls are trying to s/t Laurie. I’m guessing that’s part of the holdup.

I’d rather have Aminu’s corpse, and their FRP.

[Strike]

You know what would have saved a roster spot? NOT SIGNING BRYN FUCKING FORBES.

This.

[lmbebo]

Chris Haynes of Yahoo? reporting that the DDR trade has been completed officially

[Degoat]

So I guess will have Thad young and Aminu lol if pop plays Lyles and Cunningham minutes, Aminu will definitely find some playing time lol

Demar also posted on Instagram that it’s official

[exstatic]

Chris Haynes of Yahoo? reporting that the DDR trade has been completed officially

Good. In sixty days, we can combine players from that trade with other players on our roster to make further trades. We’ve got like 19 or 20 players on the roster, and almost all of them have some sort of guarantee. Something has to give. Maybe a Wiggins + pick trade for 3-4 players?

[Leetonidas]

:lol watch there be no changes to the originally proposed trade and it only took so long because Wright forgot to officially post it on his end or something

[spurraider21]

:lol watch there be no changes to the originally proposed trade and it only took so long because Wright forgot to officially post it on his end or something
his fax machine was out of paper

[spurraider21]

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[CGD]

Good. In sixty days, we can combine players from that trade with other players on our roster to make further trades. We’ve got like 19 or 20 players on the roster, and almost all of them have some sort of guarantee. Something has to give. Maybe a Wiggins + pick trade for 3-4 players?

I’ve been a fan of a Wiggins for assets trade.

GSW: Aminu+Thad+ Hutchinson + White/Murray

SAS: Wiggins+Kuminga/Weisman +pick

[spurraider21]

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[CGD]

1425553663934693380

Ok good. So Kawhi has become:

Keldon
Poodle
Decent future 1st
Two OKish 2nds
Thad Young (soon to be flipped)

[DPG21920]

Good. In sixty days, we can combine players from that trade with other players on our roster to make further trades. We’ve got like 19 or 20 players on the roster, and almost all of them have some sort of guarantee. Something has to give. Maybe a Wiggins + pick trade for 3-4 players?

I don’t think Sa needs to wait 60 days to trade Young.

[spurraider21]

I don’t think Sa needs to wait 60 days to trade Young.
they dont. but exstatic said "with other players on our roster"

[DPG21920]

they dont. but exstatic said "with other players on our roster"

I don’t think that is true…unless it’s a newly signed player like Doug. But if it’s an existing player (outside of a newly signed draft pick which is 30 days rule) Thad can be moved with any other current Spur IIRC Chinook

[r0drig0lac]

Ok good. So Kawhi has become:

Keldon
Poodle
Decent future 1st
Two OKish 2nds
Thad Young (soon to be flipped)
Kawhi became: Demar + Jakob + pick, and Kawhi winning a championship a few months later, the rest is bs.

[Chinook]

Good. In sixty days, we can combine players from that trade with other players on our roster to make further trades. We’ve got like 19 or 20 players on the roster, and almost all of them have some sort of guarantee. Something has to give. Maybe a Wiggins + pick trade for 3-4 players?

they dont. but exstatic said "with other players on our roster"

I don’t think that is true…unless it’s a newly signed player like Doug. But if it’s an existing player (outside of a newly signed draft pick which is 30 days rule) Thad can be moved with any other current Spur IIRC Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

The Spurs (in the most restrictive scenario) would be able to combine AFA or Young with other players in order to aggregate salary and complete a deal. That doesn't mean the Spurs can't trade those players players now because a) They don't need to necessarily combined Young with other salary to move him. Like that Phoenix deal is legal and would be even if they included like Eubanks in it, because Drew going out isn't necessary for the Spurs to send out enough salary to get Smith and Saric; b) and more importantly, the Spurs should still be under the cap right now, because they haven't signed Collins, Landale and Forbes as far as I know. That restriction only applies to a team being over the cap at the conclusion of that trade, and basically, the Spurs had to be under the cap to re-up DeMar, and the trade is basically salary-neutral. So they could combine Young right now.

[DPG21920]

Thanks for the explanation - I thought that was the case but good to be clear and hope Sa does send Thad elsewhere ASAP.

[Mugen]

1425553663934693380

Thank god. Now we just need Bryn to pull a Morris and we'll be all set tbh.

[Russ]

Kawhi became: Demar + Jakob + pick, and Kawhi winning a championship a few months later, the rest is bs.

Looking even further back, George Hill became all those things (including Keldon and Thad Young) with an end-of-the-first round pick.

[Chinook]

This should be the Spurs cap-wise after the trade:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=84604071361143b6ca71ff078198622

That's enough room to sign Collins, and then Forbes/SOB get the room exception. KBD hasn't accepted the QO as far as I know, but it was more convenient to act as if he did in order to navigate the scenario. Withdrawing that QO gets the Spurs up to $8 Million. S&Ting Young for Collins would preserve it. Cutting Eubanks can get a million more. Still, the Spurs probably aren't looking at any signings at this point. They could reasonably free up enough to offer almost $20 Million to someone, but they probably sign Collins and then just operate as an over-the-cap team.

[Chinook]

Also, now that this is done, do folks think there was a better S&T for DeMar out there? Let's assume all the other big signings/trades happened. Did Miami have enough to add to Iggy to entice anyone? Any folks here who wanted Luke Kennard coming back to SA? Part of me feels like it was a miracle Chicago want him, because the market doesn't seem like it broke SA's way in that regard. Even Washington, who seemed like the best backup plan, ended up giving SA something this year. That pick would've probably been the main asset going back in a DeRozan deal, with ballast like Bertans instead of Young/Aminu.

[DPG21920]

Bulls deal is the best one assuming GS had no interest imo. Thad should be a + asset and 2 1sts (if Thad nets one) + 2 seconds and no salary beyond this year? Perfect.

[Leetonidas]

Also, now that this is done, do folks think there was a better S&T for DeMar out there? Let's assume all the other big signings/trades happened. Did Miami have enough to add to Iggy to entice anyone? Any folks here who wanted Luke Kennard coming back to SA? Part of me feels like it was a miracle Chicago want him, because the market doesn't seem like it broke SA's way in that regard. Even Washington, who seemed like the best backup plan, ended up giving SA something this year. That pick would've probably been the main asset going back in a DeRozan deal, with ballast like Bertans instead of Young/Aminu.

Iggy is beyond washed at this point so we may have ended up with him plus Herro and a future pick. Which is okay but I'm not big on Herro. Kinda depends imo on what the Spurs can turn Young into. That 1st from Chicago is probably going to be better than anything else we would've gotten from any other interested team since I don't see this Bulls experiment working out at all

[DPG21920]

Iggy is beyond washed at this point so we may have ended up with him plus Herro and a future pick. Which is okay but I'm not big on Herro. Kinda depends imo on what the Spurs can turn Young into. That 1st from Chicago is probably going to be better than anything else we would've gotten from any other interested team since I don't see this Bulls experiment working out at all

Most likely DeRozans time with the bulls won’t have any impact on this pick. It’s 2025 the earliest this conveys

[Chinook]

Thad's not getting a clean first unless the Spurs are both shrewd and lucky. So many contenders are leveraged to the hilt and probably couldn't trade a first for Young even if they wanted to. If some team like NOLA finds themselves competing AND needing a PF, then there's a chance. Otherwise, it'll probably be a team that also wants the Spurs to take on bad salary, or it'll be a guy like Smith, or it'll be seconds.

[DPG21920]

Thad's not getting a clean first unless the Spurs are both shrewd and lucky. So many contenders are leveraged to the hilt and probably couldn't trade a first for Young even if they wanted to. If some team like NOLA finds themselves competing AND needing a PF, then there's a chance. Otherwise, it'll probably be a team that also wants the Spurs to take on bad salary, or it'll be a guy like Smith, or it'll be seconds.

Ehh I’m not so sure lots of desperate teams. Teams like POR that are on notice and have very little means of improving especially if they can’t upgrade by using CJ

And honestly I’m fine taking on some salary next year too for another first. It will annoy me more since Sa signed Doug and could have taken on salary more cleanly had they not but it’s not a deal breaker at all for me for a legit first.

[spurspl]

Also, now that this is done, do folks think there was a better S&T for DeMar out there? Let's assume all the other big signings/trades happened. Did Miami have enough to add to Iggy to entice anyone? Any folks here who wanted Luke Kennard coming back to SA? Part of me feels like it was a miracle Chicago want him, because the market doesn't seem like it broke SA's way in that regard. Even Washington, who seemed like the best backup plan, ended up giving SA something this year. That pick would've probably been the main asset going back in a DeRozan deal, with ballast like Bertans instead of Young/Aminu.

ddr trade was great tbh. If we can turn thad into f.e saric and jalen or an expiring + mid-late 1st thats even better. Bulls was high on ddr (gave him a juicy contract) and spurs used it well. Doubt that there was a better offer from another team. Unfortunately other moves this offseason were terrible.

[ginobilized]

This trade could be worse. How long has it been since the Spurs got a 1st round pick in a trade?
I'd imagine that Thad has a new landing spot from the FO, just needed to finalize the formalities/tampering.
Is there any chance we want Thad?

[Chinook]

Ehh I’m not so sure lots of desperate teams. Teams like POR that are on notice and have very little means of improving especially if they can’t upgrade by using CJ

Remember, we're not talking about getting a first at all. I agree that the Spurs could get a first right now, and they'll have a window where they should be able to get one later. Portland would probably consider trading for Thad and indeed might be hitting SA up as we speak, but they don't have the expiring salary to match this, especially not without having the Spurs cut guys to make it happen. That's what I mean by a "clean first". I'm willing to let the team take on salary for a pick/prospect though. I know you're reluctant.

[mo7888]

Thad's not getting a clean first unless the Spurs are both shrewd and lucky. So many contenders are leveraged to the hilt and probably couldn't trade a first for Young even if they wanted to. If some team like NOLA finds themselves competing AND needing a PF, then there's a chance. Otherwise, it'll probably be a team that also wants the Spurs to take on bad salary, or it'll be a guy like Smith, or it'll be seconds.

I don't think it's that important to get a 'clean' 1st... if we need to take back a Saric type salary then I'm fine with it. The only reason to need the space would be if a star type player wanted to come to us next offseason and we could easily move a Saric or even a McDermott at that time if we needed too.

[SAGirl]

Thad's not getting a clean first unless the Spurs are both shrewd and lucky. So many contenders are leveraged to the hilt and probably couldn't trade a first for Young even if they wanted to. If some team like NOLA finds themselves competing AND needing a PF, then there's a chance. Otherwise, it'll probably be a team that also wants the Spurs to take on bad salary, or it'll be a guy like Smith, or it'll be seconds.

Agree. The longer T. young remains in the team the least likely a trade happens. If he’s in the team by the trade deadline and the Spurs suck (meaning it’s obvious he'd like to be waived to ring chase), the Spurs are more likely to waive him than him getting traded. No one is trading a first for 3 months of Thad Young. Also there are usually options at that point. There's always someone waived somewhere.

[itzsoweezee]

This trade could be worse. How long has it been since the Spurs got a 1st round pick in a trade?
I'd imagine that Thad has a new landing spot from the FO, just needed to finalize the formalities/tampering.
Is there any chance we want Thad?

This front office still doesn’t appear to be fully in the rebuild mode for some inexplicable reason. I’m betting he doesn’t get traded.

[DPG21920]

Remember, we're not talking about getting a first at all. I agree that the Spurs could get a first right now, and they'll have a window where they should be able to get one later. Portland would probably consider trading for Thad and indeed might be hitting SA up as we speak, but they don't have the expiring salary to match this, especially not without having the Spurs cut guys to make it happen. That's what I mean by a "clean first". I'm willing to let the team take on salary for a pick/prospect though. I know you're reluctant.

Gotcha - but I’m not reluctant at all. I’m 100% fine with it.

[exstatic]

I’ve been a fan of a Wiggins for assets trade.

GSW: Aminu+Thad+ Hutchinson + White/Murray

SAS: Wiggins+Kuminga/Weisman +pick

We’re not getting Kuminga or a pick. The best we could hope for is something like

Wiggins Wiseman

DJ Aminu Thad Quan

It clears out our roster a bit, and gets us a young big man development project.

[mo7888]

We’re not getting Kuminga or a pick. The best we could hope for is something like

Wiggins Wiseman

DJ Aminu Thad Quan

It clears out our roster a bit, and gets us a young big man development project.

That's not enough... if that's the best they'd do we should pass..

[exstatic]

Looking even further back, George Hill became all those things (including Keldon and Thad Young) with an end-of-the-first round pick.

Don’t sleep on those second rounders, either. Three of them. I’m kind of loving the way Tre Jones is looking, and Weiskamp looks like a pretty good pull.

[ace3g]

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Bobby Marks BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) 40m (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1425578165133533186)
Post DeRozan trade for Chicago Below the: tax: $18M hard cap: $23M under contract: 10 (includes Bradley and Green) Contract for DeRozan started at $26M ($82M fully guaranteed) Lauri Markkanen QO is $9M

[exstatic]

That's not enough... if that's the best they'd do we should pass..

The #2 overall pick in last years draft? I mean the trade rumors last year were LMA for Wiggins/#2. We would have drafted Wiseman. Their picks aren’t going to be worth much going forward, with everyone back and healthy. The Minny ones are all expended. I guess we could ask for a FRP, but it’ll be late.

[Degoat]

Shit Thaddeus young is following the spurs on IG, he ain’t going anywhere

[mo7888]

The #2 overall pick in last years draft? I mean the trade rumors last year were LMA for Wiggins/#2. We would have drafted Wiseman. Their picks aren’t going to be worth much going forward, with everyone back and healthy. The Minny ones are all expended. I guess we could ask for a FRP, but it’ll be late.

The purposed trade had is giving up DJ + Thad for Wiggins and a pick I believe...if DJ isn't included I'd take it with just Wiseman but if we're giving up DJ I'd want more.

[exstatic]

The purposed trade had is giving up DJ + Thad for Wiggins and a pick I believe...if DJ isn't included I'd take it with just Wiseman but if we're giving up DJ I'd want more.

Like I said, their picks are going to be shit, and any additional players would almost certainly require more of our young assets as salary matching. Thad is a rental, so not much value there. We can’t do the deal, financially, without DJ or White, and even though it puts me in the minority here, I like White better.

[timvp]

I'm glad the deal is done. Hell of a haul considering DeRozan was unrestricted, the money dried up quick this summer and DeRozan had only a few realistic landing spots. The Spurs got fortunate that the Bulls went all in after the Vuc trade but still sucked so they had to go even further all in. On top of that, the Bulls have a lot of Raptors connections in their front office from DeDozan's days there.

A solid vet in Thad with positive trade value, another vet in Aminu who could theoretically become a positive asset if he bounces back, no bad apples, no money beyond this year, a first round pick that could be in the lottery and second rounders? That's an amazing trade the more I think about it.

[CGD]

Also, now that this is done, do folks think there was a better S&T for DeMar out there? Let's assume all the other big signings/trades happened. Did Miami have enough to add to Iggy to entice anyone? Any folks here who wanted Luke Kennard coming back to SA? Part of me feels like it was a miracle Chicago want him, because the market doesn't seem like it broke SA's way in that regard. Even Washington, who seemed like the best backup plan, ended up giving SA something this year. That pick would've probably been the main asset going back in a DeRozan deal, with ballast like Bertans instead of Young/Aminu.

Maybe. According to the aggregators (take with grain of salt) these were the teams with real interest: Sixers, Suns, Trail Blazers, Warriors, Celtics, Clippers, and Knicks.

Of this universe Philly could have been better to me if it landed Simmons to SAS, but I suspect the price was too high. I also think a GSW proposal would maybe been interesting, even if it meant taking on Wiggins to get assets. I don’t see the others landing Spurs a better deal than CHI sent.

The other shortly rumored scenario I wish would have been true was the WAS rumor. That made little sense after Spurs signed Doug since it eliminated the incentive to take back Bertans to unlock a juicy asset like Deni.

[CGD]

Like I said, their picks are going to be shit, and any additional players would almost certainly require more of our young assets as salary matching. Thad is a rental, so not much value there. We can’t do the deal, financially, without DJ or White, and even though it puts me in the minority here, I like White better.

I think that’s why they would be OK to part with a pick (it’s likely in the 20s). Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t GSW gets Thads Bird Rights? Something that would help a good team retain a player they like even if they’re in tax hell.

Bottom line: I too would want more if you add DJ or White, especially now that it’s not the “#2 pick” but a player that looked shockingly raw notwithstanding his youth.

[tonight...you]

Shit Thaddeus young is following the spurs on IG, he ain’t going anywhere
Not necessarily a bad thing bro.
Thad is a good guy to have on the team and always an asset to other teams.

Chillax. Load a bowl and toss on some good vibes.

[CGD]

I'm glad the deal is done. Hell of a haul considering DeRozan was unrestricted, the money dried up quick this summer and DeRozan had only a few realistic landing spots. The Spurs got fortunate that the Bulls went all in after the Vuc trade but still sucked so they had to go even further all in. On top of that, the Bulls have a lot of Raptors connections in their front office from DeDozan's days there.

A solid vet in Thad with positive trade value, another vet in Aminu who could theoretically become a positive asset if he bounces back, no bad apples, no money beyond this year, a first round pick that could be in the lottery and second rounders? That's an amazing trade the more I think about it.

It really is, and if either of those players are repackaged it could get better still.

[Robz4000]

I'm glad the deal is done. Hell of a haul considering DeRozan was unrestricted, the money dried up quick this summer and DeRozan had only a few realistic landing spots. The Spurs got fortunate that the Bulls went all in after the Vuc trade but still sucked so they had to go even further all in. On top of that, the Bulls have a lot of Raptors connections in their front office from DeDozan's days there.

A solid vet in Thad with positive trade value, another vet in Aminu who could theoretically become a positive asset if he bounces back, no bad apples, no money beyond this year, a first round pick that could be in the lottery and second rounders? That's an amazing trade the more I think about it.


You forgot the best part tbh: no more DePression.

[Chinook]

Like I said, their picks are going to be shit, and any additional players would almost certainly require more of our young assets as salary matching. Thad is a rental, so not much value there. We can’t do the deal, financially, without DJ or White, and even though it puts me in the minority here, I like White better.

The Spurs could also trade Poeltl instead of White or Murray, and that would make sense to do if Wiseman is supposed to be the prize worth taking on that money. The ESPN trade machine is rejecting it, but it's wrong. Of course, you can argue that Wiggins makes too much money to be worth almost any deal, but the team doesn't HAVE to involve Murray or White if they don't want to.

[timvp]

Also, now that this is done, do folks think there was a better S&T for DeMar out there? Let's assume all the other big signings/trades happened. Did Miami have enough to add to Iggy to entice anyone? Any folks here who wanted Luke Kennard coming back to SA? Part of me feels like it was a miracle Chicago want him, because the market doesn't seem like it broke SA's way in that regard. Even Washington, who seemed like the best backup plan, ended up giving SA something this year. That pick would've probably been the main asset going back in a DeRozan deal, with ballast like Bertans instead of Young/Aminu.

I can't imagine there was a better deal, tbh. This deal fits with earlier reports that the Spurs were telling other team they had an unbeatable offer on the table for DeRozan. The Heat supposedly gave up hope after hearing the details.

If the Wizards wanted to put Bertans contract in trade, they would have needed to add like three first rounders to match the Bulls trade, IMO.

[Chinook]

I'm glad the deal is done. Hell of a haul considering DeRozan was unrestricted, the money dried up quick this summer and DeRozan had only a few realistic landing spots. The Spurs got fortunate that the Bulls went all in after the Vuc trade but still sucked so they had to go even further all in. On top of that, the Bulls have a lot of Raptors connections in their front office from DeDozan's days there.

A solid vet in Thad with positive trade value, another vet in Aminu who could theoretically become a positive asset if he bounces back, no bad apples, no money beyond this year, a first round pick that could be in the lottery and second rounders? That's an amazing trade the more I think about it.

Still waiting for RGM to update with the first-rounder protections. It has the two second-rounders on there already. I'd like for the Spurs do to a deal with SAC for their second so all that swap goes away, but whatever. If the pick is indeed unprotected in 2028, I'm with you on it being a very good deal. If it becomes seconds in 2028, I'm not as big of a fan, and if it turns out it's heavily protected, I'm closer to neutral. The seconds are basically fair value for Aminu, and while I like Young just fine, I'm not banking on him being worth the trouble of trading DeRozan on his own. That first really needs to come through

[exstatic]

I think that’s why they would be OK to part with a pick (it’s likely in the 20s). Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t GSW gets Thads Bird Rights? Something that would help a good team retain a player they like even if they’re in tax hell.

Bottom line: I too would want more if you add DJ or White, especially now that it’s not the “#2 pick” but a player that looked shockingly raw notwithstanding his youth.

19 YO big man looks shockingly raw.

Yes, they’d have Thad’s Bird rights, but he’s still unrestricted. They’re trying to shed payroll, not jack it up. The problem with super teams is that eventually, there’s no fat left to cut, it’s flesh and bone. They’ve had to say goodbye to The likes of Iggy and Shaun Livingston. I doubt they’ll keep Thad.

[timvp]

You forgot the best part tbh: no more DePression.

:lol I was just about to edit the post to add that part in.

The Spurs got all that for a player I didn't even want them to re-sign. I was perfectly okay with DeRozan walking for nothing.

[Ocotillo]

The Spurs could also trade Poeltl instead of White or Murray, and that would make sense to do if Wiseman is supposed to be the prize worth taking on that money. The ESPN trade machine is rejecting it, but it's wrong. Of course, you can argue that Wiggins makes too much money to be worth almost any deal, but the team doesn't HAVE to involve Murray or White if they don't want to.

I have to confess, I was thinking Poetl would be really good on the Warriors. Provided Klay comes back similar to what he was.

[Chinook]

I can't imagine there was a better deal, tbh. This deal fits with earlier reports that the Spurs were telling other team they had an unbeatable offer on the table for DeRozan. The Heat supposedly gave up hope after hearing the details.

If the Wizards wanted to put Bertans contract in trade, they would have needed to add like three first rounders to match the Bulls trade, IMO.

Yeah, I'm assuming the Spurs took the best deal out of the teams DMDR was willing to sign with. I think the Heat were offering Precious, so it would've been interesting to see how they would've gotten Lowry otherwise, but Iggy's a much worse contract than Young. They also would've been looking at directing someone to SA via S&T like Duncan Robinson or Nunn. I like Achiuwa, so maybe I wouldn't've hated that part. But I'm also glad Robinson isn't earning that kind of money in SA.

PATFO brought back Forbes, so they might've considered Davis to be a positive asset. They probably wouldn't signed McDermott, so that's some money saved. If he's basically buoyant salary-wise, Washington could've beat the seconds Chicago sent and used Hutchison as the remaining filler. The issue would be that they protected their Houston (now OKC) pick pretty heavily, so in order to beat an eventual unprotected 2028 pick from Chicago, they'd need to trade their own pick unprotected. Or they could've provided one of their young players. As I said, I'm glad it worked out this way since SA got to get Washington's best pick and the Chicago deal. But they also have McDermott and Aminu instead of Bertans for about the same money.

[Chinook]

I have to confess, I was thinking Poetl would be really good on the Warriors. Provided Klay comes back similar to what he was.

In a world without Draymond, Poeltl would be fantastic for the Warriors. In the modern NBA, though, both bigs being unable to shoot is a big deal. We'll see. Before this influx of expirings, I thought Murray and Poeltl for Wiseman and Wiggins could make sense. Now, GS doesn't seem like a good trading partner yet unless the deal is smaller than Wiggins' contract.

[timvp]

Still waiting for RGM to update with the first-rounder protections. It has the two second-rounders on there already. I'd like for the Spurs do to a deal with SAC for their second so all that swap goes away, but whatever. If the pick is indeed unprotected in 2028, I'm with you on it being a very good deal. If it becomes seconds in 2028, I'm not as big of a fan, and if it turns out it's heavily protected, I'm closer to neutral. The seconds are basically fair value for Aminu, and while I like Young just fine, I'm not banking on him being worth the trouble of trading DeRozan on his own. That first really needs to come through

Yes, that's pretty damn important. I love the trade assuming Hollinger's report of the protections was accurate (top 10, top 8, top 8). If it turns into second rounders after that it'd be a little bit of a letdown but it'd be unlikely for any team to remain that bad for three years -- especially a big market team like the Bulls with some strong, young players in place. It looks like their post-Jordan malaise is finally over so I expect them to stay out of the cellar for a while.

If the are stronger protections on that pick, then I'll have to reassess.

But, yeah, the Spurs got lucky that the Bulls were so desperate in what turned out to be a lukewarm environment. Chicago was damn dumb to do this trade, IMO, but they owe Orlando a first round pick only protected for the top four so they have to do all they can to add talent. LaVine and Vucevic were obviously not enough to pull them out of the bottom of the East. Overpaying DeRozan and giving away arguably their most impactful player last year AND losing another first round pick? Oof.

[DPG21920]

:lol I was just about to edit the post to add that part in.

The Spurs got all that for a player I didn't even want them to re-sign. I was perfectly okay with DeRozan walking for nothing.

They had to do that though to even break even on the off season as a whole. When viewed in total, SA started with 50M in cap space + 12th pick. Given that how would you rate:

Forbes
Zach Collins (possibly 3 fully guaranteed years)
29 Year Old Doug on 3 full years (it appears)
Thad
Aminu
Primo
Wieskamp
Jock
2 2nds
Top 10 protected 1st

I’d argue that’s shockingly mediocre to bad give the circumstances and flexibility they had to really help their future. Even if In isolation the deal with the Bulls was better than expected given circumstances

[exstatic]

The Spurs could also trade Poeltl instead of White or Murray, and that would make sense to do if Wiseman is supposed to be the prize worth taking on that money. The ESPN trade machine is rejecting it, but it's wrong. Of course, you can argue that Wiggins makes too much money to be worth almost any deal, but the team doesn't HAVE to involve Murray or White if they don't want to.

It’s not wrong. We’re out of caproom, and that has us taking back $7.5M more than we send out. Even throwing in Quan and Eubanks isn’t enough. We’d have to throw in ANOTHER young asset like a Lonnie Walker to balance it out.

[timvp]

They had to do that though to even break even on the off season as a whole. When viewed in total, SA started with 50M in cap space + 12th pick. Given that how would you rate:

Forbes
Zach Collins (possibly 3 fully guaranteed years)
29 Year Old Doug on 3 full years (it appears)
Thad
Aminu
Primo
Wieskamp
Jock
2 2nds
Top 10 protected 1st

I wanna see details of the Zollins contract. That's pretty important. I'm also hoping Jock's under control for two years and Forbes for, uh, one year. Wieskamp as a two-way would be a win, as would Jeffries. Bringing back KBD would be nice.

It's not a great summer so far (far from it) but it's been okay-ish -- especially weighing it against scenarios where the Spurs gave multi-year contracts to their UFA vets.

[tbdog]

I wanna see details of the Zollins contract. That's pretty important. I'm also hoping Jock's under control for two years and Forbes for, uh, one year. Wieskamp as a two-way would be a win, as would Jeffries. Bringing back KBD would be nice.

It's not a great summer so far (far from it) but it's been okay-ish -- especially weighing it against scenarios where the Spurs gave multi-year contracts to their UFA vets.

Probably need to take into account losing Mills, Gay, DDR, and Lyles, (maybe even Eubanks). Considering Spurstalk were against all those players, surely it's just a win. I don't get the moaning on this board. They thought losing them would be addition to the subtraction. They got what they wish for and got better fits around their youth.

[DPG21920]

I wanna see details of the Zollins contract. That's pretty important. I'm also hoping Jock's under control for two years and Forbes for, uh, one year. Wieskamp as a two-way would be a win, as would Jeffries. Bringing back KBD would be nice.

It's not a great summer so far (far from it) but it's been okay-ish -- especially weighing it against scenarios where the Spurs gave multi-year contracts to their UFA vets.

That’s how I view it overall. They wasted an opportunity to really show something good and cohesive but they did the bare minimum things they needed to do right: 3 vets gone + no ridiculous long term big money to someone other than John Collins had he been available

[Seventyniner]

I wanna see details of the Zollins contract. That's pretty important. I'm also hoping Jock's under control for two years and Forbes for, uh, one year. Wieskamp as a two-way would be a win, as would Jeffries. Bringing back KBD would be nice.

It's not a great summer so far (far from it) but it's been okay-ish -- especially weighing it against scenarios where the Spurs gave multi-year contracts to their UFA vets.

You can say zero years. It's okay. We won't judge.

If only it were possible.:depressed

[slick'81]

Forbes has to be atleast a two year deal. Hopefully zollins is only two years fully guaranteed along with jock,and then i can deal with mcdermoot being three full seasons

[Chinook]

It’s not wrong. We’re out of caproom, and that has us taking back $7.5M more than we send out. Even throwing in Quan and Eubanks isn’t enough. We’d have to throw in ANOTHER young asset like a Lonnie Walker to balance it out.

It only has to match up to 80 percent, and 33 is more than 80 percent of 40.

Also, the Spurs aren't over the cap and can easily choose to get under by enough to do this trade with cap space (which they absolutely shouldn't given they'd just be wasting flexibility. Collins' assumed signing doesn't actually affect the cap, which is why the Spurs are able to turn around and aggregate Young and Aminu despite them already "using" the RE on guys. Plus, their "young asset" could actually be Huchison, who could actually be included in the deal while giving the Spurs the flexibility they need to trade for Collins, giving them even more cap space to make moves.

So

Hutch, Aminu, Young, Poeltl to GS
Wiggins. Wiseman and Collins to SA
Cash from GS to POR

That's a legal trade SA could do, WHILE still using about $10 Million in cap space to do something else. The NBA cap is weird.

[Chinook]

Yes, that's pretty damn important. I love the trade assuming Hollinger's report of the protections was accurate (top 10, top 8, top 8). If it turns into second rounders after that it'd be a little bit of a letdown but it'd be unlikely for any team to remain that bad for three years -- especially a big market team like the Bulls with some strong, young players in place. It looks like their post-Jordan malaise is finally over so I expect them to stay out of the cellar for a while.

If the are stronger protections on that pick, then I'll have to reassess.


2025 first round draft pick from Chicago
Starting two years after Chicago conveys a 1st round pick to Orlando or in 2025 after its obligation expires, Chicago's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-10 in the first year, 1-8 in the second year and 1-8 in the third year; if these picks each fall within its protected range and are therefore not conveyed, then Chicago will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio [Chicago-San Antonio, 8/11/2021]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

That it becomes just the one second if not conveyed is definitely not what I wanted. It's not the hardest thing to stay in the top eight for two years, especially if you're decompressing from "going for it" for a few years. It still isn't a horrible deal, but it's "just good" rather than "very good" now. If the Spurs were straight trading DeRozan, I wouldn't be happy. But if Young is a keeper or bring back a good asset, then I can't say the Spurs got screwed over too badly for just facilitating a signing and taking on some expiring salary.

[timvp]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

That it becomes just the one second if not conveyed is definitely not what I wanted. It's not the hardest thing to stay in the top eight for two years, especially if you're decompressing from "going for it" for a few years. It still isn't a horrible deal, but it's "just good" rather than "very good" now. If the Spurs were straight trading DeRozan, I wouldn't be happy. But if Young is a keeper or bring back a good asset, then I can't say the Spurs got screwed over too badly for just facilitating a signing and taking on some expiring salary.

Good find, thanks.

Yeah, it would have been really sweet if it became unprotected in year 4 but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Given the Bulls circumstances of LaVine, Pat Will and Ball all being young (Vucevic is only 30, too) and Reinsdorf being 85 (a new owner wouldn't be cool with another prolonged tank), I just don't think it's likely at all that the Spurs miss out on a first rounder given those pick protections. I'd say there's like a >95% chance the pick conveys before the fourth year, so I don't think this revelation changes much in the equation. Additionally, the Spurs have Chicago's 2025 second round pick so they have a little bit of a sneaky protection built-in to this trade. If the Bulls' first rounder doesn't convey in 2025, that means the Spurs get a pick in the 30s in 2025 for the trouble of waiting. Worst case scenarios are then a pick in the 30s in 2025 and then what should also be a high pick in the second round in 2028.

(Obviously the timeline could change if the Bulls don't convey their 2023 first rounder to the Magic -- but that is only protected 1-4 so you'd assume DeRozan could do the Spurs a favor a keep the Bulls out of the basement for a couple years.)

For this first rounder alone, I really like this trade for the Spurs. Young and the second rounders are icing on the cake. Even Aminu, a player the Spurs previously targeted, is better than the usual salary matching flotsam that teams are sometimes forced to take on.

[Kurgan]

Thad young being rerouted to Phoenix?

If it's for Saric/Jalen Smith, then a hard pass. First, it'd be comical to add even more players to a roster that's already bloated. Saric is going to consume cap space for the next two years and won't be ready to play until next season at the earliest. Smith is not an appealing enough prospect to make that dead money worth it without a 1st attached. I'd rather just keep Thad.

[JR3]

If it's for Saric/Jalen Smith, then a hard pass. First, it'd be comical to add even more players to a roster that's already bloated. Saric is going to consume cap space for the next two years and won't be ready to play until next season at the earliest. Smith is not an appealing enough prospect to make that dead money worth it without a 1st attached. I'd rather just keep Thad.
I’m with you. I like Thad and that is a hard position to fill.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1426301529854824450

[Chinook]

I would say that's significant because it allowed SA to have a bit more cap space, but obviously he's gone already, so Thad and AFA are the ones affect the cap space. At no point in the off-season did SA need the deal to be smaller. But it might give Chicago some room under the hard cap that they needed.

[Mr. Body]

I remain impressed that the Spurs got value for DeRozan instead of nothing while delivering him to a team he wants to play for. A good bit of business all around.

[John B]

Don’t look now but Demar is having a carrer highs, he just scored 37 pts from 15-20 fg, 7 rebounds and 2 assists in last nights win over Celtics. Bulls are 6-1 and tops the East

[slick'81]

Don’t look now but Demar is having a carrer highs, he just scored 37 pts from 15-20 fg, 7 rebounds and 2 assists in last nights win over Celtics. Bulls are 6-1 and tops the East

you dont say :rollin


https://youtu.be/-4OXFpClxU4

[exstatic]

DeMar always has All World stretches every year. It won’t last, and it won’t be there at any time when it matters.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

lmao Demar has attempted 4 3ptrs in 3 games already this year



during his three seasons with the spurs he shot 4 or more 3s -- 7 times

[T_Carter]

Yall tried to hold this man down. MVP candidate this year, watch.

[SpurSpike]

Best players of the season so far, per @Alberto de Roa (https://twitter.com/TikotDeRoa)‘s Global Rating:
1. Jimmy Butler
2. Kevin Durant
3. DEMAR DEROZAN – 2:40 AM (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/status/1455424524615405570)

[JeffDuncan]

Don’t look now but Demar is having a carrer highs, he just scored 37 pts from 15-20 fg, 7 rebounds and 2 assists in last nights win over Celtics. Bulls are 6-1 and tops the East


An observer could even get the idea it's better to play beside Zach LaVine than Bryn Forbes. Whoda thunk. BTW, Lavine and DDR have scored exactly the same number of points through the first 7 games: 179 for each of them. A little trivia there.

[slick'81]

If demar gets an all-star nod this season in chi-town, then call me a believer

[Leetonidas]

You'd think people would learn by now to quit overreacting to early season Derozan. Can't believe some people are missing him because he won a RS game and had nice stats :lol

It won't last. There was a season where he started out like prime Kobe averaging like 30/6/6 over the first couple months of the season. Yall already know how that turned out

[John B]

If demar gets an all-star nod this season in chi-town, then call me a believer

We all know it. That don’t look good to potential FA’s how players are seemingly snubbed at AS selections playing for the Spurs

[Chinook]

DeRozan is a good player, and the folks who seriously thought it was addition by subtraction are very likely going to be disappointed. Being flawed is not the same thing as being bad. Just because he wasn't enough by himself doesn't mean that he was easy to replace.

[John B]

I think if the offer was Demar (plus picks) for Simmons was true, Philly would be regretting they didn’t take that offer.

[baseline bum]

I think if the offer was Demar (plus picks) for Simmons was true, Philly would be regretting they didn’t take that offer.

Meh wait until March. DeRozan always looks good in the early season then fades.

[baseline bum]

Also LOL busting a nut over a November game against the Celtics, who are dogshit this year.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He put up games like this for the Spurs but no one noticed.

If he was on SA's books for $81MM guaranteed over three years this place would be talking about what a dumbass POS Wright and the entire front office was to do that deal.

Chicago has had a favorable schedule and some breaks go their way so far. He'll still fade when it counts most. It there's a good enough supporting cast around him they might carry him through that, but in San Antonio he was not a good fit.

[DAF86]

DeMar could average a 50 pts triple double for all I care. He isn't a winning player and never will. Any team that features him is gonna be a perennial pretender. Not even as a third of 4th banana. Heck, given his lack of shooting and defense, he can't even be part of a championship team as a role player.

[RC_Drunkford]

Chicago's team just fits him cause he's surrounded by shooters and even their center shoots 3s. Perfect system for him to play in. I think him not taking 3s when he was here had more to do with Pop than with him not wanting to shoot them

[KingKev]

DDR wasn’t staying in SA for less than 30/yr regardless. The haul we got for him could have been better however. It’ll turn out to be a 2025 FRP when it’s all said and done as Thad is not getting us anything.

[tbdog]

https://sports.yahoo.com/de-mar-de-rozan-the-nb-as-most-underrated-star-is-paying-off-for-the-chicago-bulls-193654949.html

[John B]

https://sports.yahoo.com/de-mar-de-rozan-the-nb-as-most-underrated-star-is-paying-off-for-the-chicago-bulls-193654949.html

Great read. Thanks. I don’t know how other hate this guy so much. He’s a great guy on and off the court. I wish him and the Bulls a lot of luck.

[Mr. Body]

Great read. Thanks. I don’t know how other hate this guy so much. He’s a great guy on and off the court. I wish him and the Bulls a lot of luck.

Because this board is filled with shut-in incel-type assholes. They're meek little dweebs in real life but come in here to rail against players they'll never meet.

[Leetonidas]

Great read. Thanks. I don’t know how other hate this guy so much. He’s a great guy on and off the court. I wish him and the Bulls a lot of luck.

Pretty obvious the disdain for him had nothing to do with him as a person and everything to do with his play. Lazy defense, refused to shoot threes, frequently mentally disengaged when calls don't go his way, choking in crunch time, etc. It's obvious our teams ceiling is limited with him leading the charge. Chicago is obviously in a different situation and already had two all stars under contract

I never had a problem with DD as a person and wish him well. But I did not want the franchise doubling down on their stupid trade and resigning him long term.

The season is barely 2 weeks in and the Bulls are playing well against mostly bad teams. Good for them but when DD shits the bed in the playoffs (again) prepare for this thread to be bumped

[Mr. Body]

Pretty obvious the disdain for him had nothing to do with him as a person and everything to do with his play. Lazy defense, refused to shoot threes, frequently mentally disengaged when calls don't go his way, choking in crunch time, etc. It's obvious our teams ceiling is limited with him leading the charge. Chicago is obviously in a different situation and already had two all stars under contract

I never had a problem with DD as a person and wish him well. But I did not want the franchise doubling down on their stupid trade and resigning him long term.

The season is barely 2 weeks in and the Bulls are playing well against mostly bad teams. Good for them but when DD shits the bed in the playoffs (again) prepare for this thread to be bumped

Nah, you're wrong. There's a lot of hatred for him as a person, especially in regard to mental health.

[Leetonidas]

Nah, you're wrong. There's a lot of hatred for him as a person, especially in regard to mental health.

I think you mistake trolling for actual hate. I guarantee you no one actually hates Demar. while some of the comments about his depression obviously are fairly venomous, its pretty obvious to anyone that posts on ST regularly that it's just troll behavior

and even then, the group of people you claim "hate" demar are probably a very small fraction of posters on ST

[jjspur]

DeRozen was asked to be a top dog here in SA but is now is taking advantage of being a second banana in Chicago. Wait until Zach Levine gets injured or (gasp) asks for more money. While he wasn't a bad player by no means, he simply wasn't capable of being the teams top player all season long without cratering at some point. Again lets see what happens when the injuries start piling up.

[John B]

Another 37 pts with 10 rebounds in a losing cause. I get it Demar was not winning games with the Spurs. But heck, he’s been balling in Chicago

[duncan2k5]

Chicago's team just fits him cause he's surrounded by shooters and even their center shoots 3s. Perfect system for him to play in. I think him not taking 3s when he was here had more to do with Pop than with him not wanting to shoot them

nah...it's not like he was shooting threes before SA...he is who he is...I remember that one season he started off shooting threes and everyone on here thought he opened up his game...then he went right back to being who he is...Pop isn't gonna ask everyone else to shoot threes other than Demar...that makes no sense...he has never stopped anyone else from doing it....

and Demar puts up good box score numbers...surrounded by good players, he can even go along for the ride to the playoffs...but he all know what happens when the pressure is on...that's not the type of player you can build around...a 33 year old choker who NEEDS the ball in his hands to succeed (i.e. can't play off ball, thus allowing young players to grow their game) and plays no defense...I dont care how good he plays in Chicago...he can win MVP for all I care...when he was here, he missed the playoffs 2 years in a row and as the leader on the team, was not a good example with all of his constant negative energy and tantrums to the refs on the court

[slick'81]

Demar plays much better with a chip on his shoulder. Remember when he was first traded to sa,and came out like gangbusters early that season. Seems the same case here. Now if he makes the allstar team ,and leads Chicago to the playoffs then he deserves all the credit

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

DeRozan is a good player, and the folks who seriously thought it was addition by subtraction are very likely going to be disappointed. Being flawed is not the same thing as being bad. Just because he wasn't enough by himself doesn't mean that he was easy to replace.

BINGO!!!!

Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

[8FOR!3]

Probably gonna get that Bulls DeRozan city jersey. Will always be a fan from his time as a Spur. Good on the court and great off of it. True Spur. Wish him success

[rjv]

demar had a nice honeymoon period in SA too but his game stagnated fairly quickly. when it matters the most, his foibles will show up. demar is a solid player and a nice addition to the bulls cast but his time had come. it would have been nice to get more for him but i don't know what else was being offered. at least it's more likely now that that 1st rounder won't fall under the provisions of being protected. in the meantime, us fans just move on and start scouting potential top five picks for the 2022 draft.

[exstatic]

His assists are down pretty sharply this year, 6.9 -> 3.6. Small wonder his scoring is up. Rebounding backup to where it was 3 years ago. If you need any proof of disengagement, rebounding is it. His last 3 Spurs seasons:6.0->5.5->4.2.

He’ll eventually pout over something, maybe that he couldn’t have #10. COMP11 just doesn’t work as well.

[spurs1990]

Another 37 pts with 10 rebounds in a losing cause. I get it Demar was not winning games with the Spurs. But heck, he’s been balling in Chicago

That's the headline.

We'll concede that DeRozan is a great teammate, an upstanding guy, and a really good player with a underrated passing ability. Can he make a difference in April and May when the lights shine.... evidence we've had in 10 years is to the contrary.

As for those of us firm anti-DeRozanites - a lot of us were tired of watching his play in general as the anchor. Iso ball, midrange heavy.
Every good player in the league shoots the 3. DeRozan was ranked in the 300s in attempts and makes last year. How was that even possible?

He wasn't a fit and the Spurs FO (and him maybe) surely agreed. By the way I'll buy any argument putting the old man as a contributing reason for the bad fit, specifically the utter absence of a 3pt game last year.

[John B]

That's the headline.

We'll concede that DeRozan is a great teammate, an upstanding guy, and a really good player with a underrated passing ability. Can he make a difference in April and May when the lights shine.... evidence we've had in 10 years is to the contrary.

As for those of us firm anti-DeRozanites - a lot of us were tired of watching his play in general as the anchor. Iso ball, midrange heavy.
Every good player in the league shoots the 3. DeRozan was ranked in the 300s in attempts and makes last year. How was that even possible?

He wasn't a fit and the Spurs FO (and him maybe) surely agreed. By the way I'll buy any argument putting the old man as a contributing reason for the bad fit, specifically the utter absence of a 3pt game last year.

Bulls are 6-2, so they are winning. I didn’t to keep Demar because Spurs don’t have the pieces, and also I’d rather they develop our young players. I’m just happy for Demar playing well, and in a system that works for him. And because he’s a great guy, a good soldier when he's a Spur.

Although when he makes AS this season, that adds to narratives how players are snubbed playing for the Spurs.

[steak n eggs]

Or maybe DeMar is allowed to be DeMar in Chicago. Kind of like Team USA was bent about Pop's coaching.

[Mr. Body]

He's not having to carry the untalented young ones.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He's not having to carry the untalented young ones.

This. The Bulls have put a pretty good team together. With Ball and Lavine he’s not the focal point of the opposing defense and there’s lots of length on the Bulls to hide Demar’s lack of skill on D.

I don’t see him forced to play as much point forward as much on the Bulls, too.

[slick'81]

This. The Bulls have put a pretty good team together. With Ball and Lavine he’s not the focal point of the opposing defense and there’s lots of length on the Bulls to hide Demar’s lack of skill on D.

I don’t see him forced to play as much point forward as much on the Bulls, too.

having lavine definitely helps

[exstatic]

Another 37 pts with 10 rebounds in a losing cause. I get it Demar was not winning games with the Spurs. But heck, he’s been balling in Chicago

So what? He balled out here, and we lost. I wish him the best, but I’m glad he’s gone.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

So what? He balled out here, and we lost. I wish him the best, but I’m glad he’s gone.

Agreed. On the Spurs he was nothing but a bandaid, keeping this team stuck in mediocre competitive limbo. We couldn’t develop our talent and couldn’t attract anyone to put around him.

We’re finally doing what so many people in here wanted us to do for so long, rebuilding. But of course now that it’s actually happening according to the resident experts here the team shouldn’t be as bad as it is and Pop is the worst coach ever.

[Degoat]

I’m glad Demar is gone, but what’s frustrating to me is fans and media bought this narrative that Demar wasn’t good which again made his trade value crap