Shams: Spurs Sending DeMar DeRozan to Chicago for Thad Young, a Future FRP, & 2 SRP’s

[BatManu20]

LFG


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[slick'81]

:clap Better then nothing i guess

[Robz4000]

Thank God.

[BatManu20]

DD gets his money and a return to the EC. Spurs get a Future FRP and a solid wing in Thad Young on an expiring and get to move on from the DD experiment. Win-win. First good move by PATFO in a while tbh.


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[Darius Bieber]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.

[slick'81]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.

The seconds basically are. When is that future first?

[Mugen]

Thank you god for the Chicago Bulls, the only FO dumber than the Spurs.

[Texas_Ranger]

spurs cant draft so who cares how good the picks are. Thank god he's gone. At least we got rid of all the trash in one day.

[BatManu20]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.


The alternative was him walking for nothing…

[slick'81]

Can we dump thad and go after jc now? Or is lauri still in play

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Not bad. Future first and a player who isn’t a stiff white

[Mugen]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.

Who fucking cares, Demar is gone :lol

[NASpurs]

Lakers thought they were getting DeMar for the MLE :lmao :lmao

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[Darius Bieber]

The seconds basically are. When is that future first?

Has to be after 2026 right? They don't own any of their first rounders until then.

[TD 21]

The Bulls' future is uncertain. I presume there's some level of protection on the 1st, but there's a chance this could end up being a quality asset.

Young isn't a great fit, but he has resale value. Aminu will probably be bought out post trade deadline.

[SPARKY]

Well, bye.

[slick'81]

Thank god demar is gone. If we gave him that deal 3/85:bang

[Darius Bieber]

Doesn't Thad's 14M cut into us offering Collins the max?

[LeBowen]

Who fucking cares, Demar is gone :lol


Demar is gone and we managed to avoid 7 foot version of Bryn Forbes aka Lauri Markkanen. Win-win.

Thad Young is actually a good rotation player, will be really useful. And is on an expiring deal.

I would've liked Collins, but whatever.

[Dejounte]

YES!!!!!!!!

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Who fucking cares, Demar is gone :lol
:danceclub

[BatManu20]

Thad Young is also an expiring so he could easily be moved at the trade deadline.

[NASpurs]

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[slick'81]

Thad young to start at pf?

[Spurs Homer]

Now if pop retires

it will not be a bad summer at all

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs have to be getting someone else no? Young only makes like 14 mil

[spurspl]

finally!! decent return, picks are always welcomed

[SPARKY]

1. Tank and add picks.
2. Repeat 1

[slick'81]

Everyone here wanted al farooq aminu like 5 years ago:lol

[NASpurs]

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[SPARKY]

1. Tank and add picks.
2. Repeat 1

[The Truth #6]

Wow. They are doing a trade. They are getting rid of DDR. Some redemption for Wright, I mean, a little bit.

[GAustex]

Ding dong the witch is dead

[eDizzle20]

I’ll take it. The first rounder is valuable. Bulls aren’t assured to be good. Demar is gone too.

[Russ]

Looks like a great deal for the Spurs -- quite possibly the sweet spot.

[Chinook]

I hate this deal.

[mexicanjunior]

Trash haul, wasted what was left of our cap space on 2 journeyman forwards and a 1st rounder in 2525. About as awful an off-season as a person could imagine.

[Degoat]

So that ate up a big part of our capspace tho right?

[pookenstein]

I'm really, really glad he's gone. And not for nothing as well. But I also don't have anything bad to say about the guy as a person. Just a bad fit for us. Wish him well in the East.

[Seventyniner]

Does this mean no John Collins?

[DesignatedT]

Spurs maintaining cap space for next summer. Thad and Aminu are expiring. There's nobody left this summer and the Spurs could still go get Oubre if they really wanted to.

[DesignatedT]

ATL offered him 5 years $125M which means they aren't far from a deal.

[Robz4000]

I hate this deal.

How so?

[bluebellmaniac]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.


Spur fan always looking for the coal lining on a deal...

[stephen jackson]

Horrendous. All cap space wasted

[slick'81]

Would of preferred two firsts but oh well. Time to rebuild

[TD 21]

Knowing these idiots, they're probably done outside of backup PG (Hill?), but this package (with the Spurs including another asset in place of Aminu) could have appeal to the Hawks in a Collins sign and trade.

[spurraider21]

ATL offered him 5 years $125M which means they aren't far from a deal.
25/year is on the table. a max offer sheet would net him 30/year and let him hit FA earlier

[Chinook]

How so?

The picks suck. Like Chicago wouldn't be able to dump those guys for this amount. This trade was so much worse than the Leonard trade.

[Chinook]

How so?

The picks suck. Like Chicago wouldn't be able to dump those guys for this amount. This trade was so much worse than the Leonard trade.

[8FOR!3]

McDermott now Young AND Aminu. Three 4's plus Collins who when/if healthy can play 4 and 5. Big FU to Luka Samanic smh. Like the McDermott signing but I don't like this trade although I guess it makes sense getting the first. I'd rather us cut one of them though. We go youth at every other position and then trade for a 33 and 30 year old.

[Dejounte]

Murray/ Lonnie/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Primo
Keldon/ KBD/ Wieskamp
McDermott/ Luka/ Young
Poeltl/ Collins/ Eubanks

[Degoat]

Yeah I could have gone with you young & amino being included (sigh)

[8FOR!3]

On second thought if we start McDermott or Luka over Young and then just use Aminu as depth and not a full time rotation role I don't HATE it.

[KobesAchilles]

So Luka is never playing huh :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

terrible deal tbh. If that is it, it's about what I expected. Get a 2025 first rounder and a pile of garbage to pile up the garbage we already have on the team.

[Texas_Ranger]

good news is, even if these guys wont wanna tank, they wont be able to defeat anyone. Finally!

[NASpurs]

Murray/ Lonnie/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Primo
Keldon/ KBD/ Wieskamp
McDermott/ Luka/ Young
Poeltl/ Collins/ Eubanks

Missing Aminu

[slick'81]

Chicago obviously wins the deal. They get rid of dead weight and the first is waay down the line. Im torn because derozan is gone yet i feel soo unsatisfied. Spurs probably werent going to get more then a 1st anyway,and add two 3/4's on expirings . Guess it could be worse

[ElNono]

This is finally a good move. Swap out contracts for picks, so we can continue drafting the Josh Primos of the world :tu

[MoSpur02]

Can Aminu and You g be bought out/waived?

[Robz4000]

Chicago obviously wins the deal. They get rid of dead weight and the first is waay down the line. Im torn because derozan is gone yet i feel soo unsatisfied. Spurs probably werent going to get more then a 1st anyway,and add two 3/4's on expirings . Guess it could be worse

Pretty much this. The big thing is that DePression is gone. Tank is on for next season.

[Mugen]

terrible deal tbh. If that is it, it's about what I expected. Get a 2025 first rounder and a pile of garbage to pile up the garbage we already have on the team.

Hard disagree tbh.

Bulls will probably be halfway decent the next year, maybe two but theres a good chance they'll be shit by 2025.

More importantly, there's a much better chance that Brian Wrong is fired by 2025 and Pop is in a retirement home by then meaning they might actually have a competent FO drafting by then :lol

[bluebellmaniac]

If Chicago ends up being decent after all these trades and additions, those picks will be worthless.


Spur fan always looking for the coal lining on a deal...

[Kurik]

This is finally a good move. Swap out contracts for picks, so we can continue drafting the Josh Primos of the world :tu

Top 5 character pick next year!

[NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER]

Murray/ Lonnie/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Primo
Keldon/ KBD/ Wieskamp
McDermott/ Luka/ Young
Poeltl/ Collins/ Eubanks

TANK.

[Russ]

Does this mean no John Collins?

That non-acquisition may look pretty good in the rear-view mirror.

Too much a gamble. Too much a power broker when the team is trying to create a new synergistic culture.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs were lucky to get a first tbh. The guy could have just signed somewhere leaving the Spurs with nothing. I'd rather maintain the flexibility going forward then the FO giving Lauri $25M/yr or something. Thad could provide solid minutes this year in a roster which is already super young.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs will play the lottery again next year with a lot of the young guys getting heavy minutes this year. Should have started this process two years ago.

[DesignatedT]

If ATL is already up to $25M/yr, they will match a $30M offer sheet.

[TDomination]

Everything most spurs fans have been wanting has been happening...

DDR Gone? - Check
Mills Gone? - Check
Gay Gone? - Check
Tank mode activated? - Check

So there you go.

Watch Lonnie Walker become an All-Star now that DeRozan is gone and we win 48+ games next year haha

[itzsoweezee]

See ya. So glad Lauri is not coming to the Spurs. San Antonio should be able to easily move Thad. And at least Aminu is expiring

[CGD]

Can Aminu and You g be bought out/waived?

Young is partially guaranteed at 6M. If they waive and stretch him, by my count, they can still cobble together the money for a Lauri offer if they want that.

I also think both these players, especially Young, are VERY tradeable later this year. Like if the Spurs wanted to do a Wiggins + asset deal with Warriors later these 2 pretty much get you there. Hell, they could even form part of a Collins sign and trade assuming Collins hasnt narrowed difference with Atlanta already.

[siraulo23]

i'll take it :tu

[Sugus]

fuck

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

This off-season already a B+. No Gay back, NO DEROZAN BACK (FUCK YOU SPURSTALK yeeeeahhh!!!), possibly no Mills back......... Yesss baby! Tank is on the fucking menu.


:lmao at the usual debbie downers already complaining about the deal. We got fucking rid of DeRozan!!! I'm sleeping well as fuck tonight boys. Cheers and a last HURRAY to a mediocre era, finallly over.

[BatManu20]

Lol at those bitching about this trade. The alternative was DeMar walking for nothing…

The fact that we found a team willing to give us a future first round pick for him is big. Thad Young is a serviceable wing on an expiring contract who could be worth an asset at the trade deadline. Spurs also got rid of a guy who was holding back our young players from developing.

Now we can properly tank next season while letting our young guys take their lumps and bruises and learning in the process.

This is a W for this organization that has been taking nothing but L’s lately.

[J_Paco]

Spurs don't take on any long - term bad contracts and get multiple picks, yet the trade is "bad." They can still re-route one or both, add them in a trade or buy them out.

I see there is gonna be a lot of bitching & moaning even through a rebuild.

[CGD]

If ATL is already up to $25M/yr, they will match a $30M offer sheet.

I dont know man, don't they also have to give Huerter an extension? He's probably eying that Duncan Robinson $$.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs make a Presti type deal and ST hates it :lol

If John Collins is a no go and re-signing with Hawks then this is a very decent deal tbh. Thad Young is a very good player and they might be able to flip him to a contender for something. Aminu is beyond shit , wouldn't surprise me if he's waived.

Still wonder about that Zach Collins deal though, that was awkward, hopefully a good portion of it is unguaranteed. Can't image he's had any leverage.

[MannyIsGod]

Still lots of different ways this can play out. What is known, is that the spurs are down to give Lonnie a real shit to prove himself this year. People should not assume this is a tank as it's very possible this team will improve over last year. They can also still make more moves to open up room this year but this gives them flexibility to push cap space off a year which isn't bad either.

[MoSpur02]

Can the Spurs simply waive Young and Aminu to make an offer to Collins or Lauri? Can they be used as trade now or do the Spurs have to wait till the trade deadline?

[Spurs9]

I'll take it tbh

[kobyz]

Yours 2021/2022 Spurs:
Dejounte Murray/Tre Jones/Josh Primo
Derrick White/Lonnie Walker
Keldon Johnson/Devin Vassell/Joe Wieskamp
Doug McDermott/Al-Farouq Aminu/Luka Samanic
Jakob Poeltl/Thaddeus Young/Zach Collins/Drew Eubanks

[kobyz]

Yours 2021/2022 Spurs:
Dejounte Murray/Tre Jones/Josh Primo
Derrick White/Lonnie Walker
Keldon Johnson/Devin Vassell/Joe Wieskamp
Doug McDermott/Al-Farouq Aminu/Luka Samanic
Jakob Poeltl/Thaddeus Young/Zach Collins/Drew Eubanks

[murpjf88]

Hard disagree tbh.

Bulls will probably be halfway decent the next year, maybe two but theres a good chance they'll be shit by 2025.

More importantly, there's a much better chance that Brian Wrong is fired by 2025 and Pop is in a retirement home by then meaning they might actually have a competent FO drafting by then :lol
Probably find out later that 2025 pick is top 20 protected.

[Dejounte]

Spurs don't take on any long - term bad contracts and get multiple picks, yet the trade is "bad." They can still re-route one or both, add them in a trade or buy them out.

I see there is gonna be a lot of bitching & moaning even through a rebuild.

It’s mostly the schizo that lives on this board and cries for attention

must be a fuck ton of passwords to remember

[ducks]

All money is guaranteed

[spurspl]

Spurs will play the lottery again next year with a lot of the young guys getting heavy minutes this year. Should have started this process two years ago.

agree, but better later than never :lol

[spurraider21]

Lol at those bitching about this trade. The alternative was DeMar walking for nothing…

The fact that we found a team willing to give us a future first round pick for him is big. Thad Young is a serviceable wing on an expiring contract who could be worth an asset at the trade deadline. Spurs also got rid of a guy who was holding back our young players from developing.

Now we can properly tank next season while letting our young guys take their lumps and bruises and learning in the process.

This is a W for this organization that has been taking nothing but L’s lately.
i thik people would have been willing to let demar walk away for nothing if that gave us the cap space to get collins (in which case, its not nothing). would you rather have john collins locked up for 4 years, or would you rather have Aminu, Young, and a protected late first round pick?

of course, collins wasn't a given, but doesnt even look like we took a shot

[BatManu20]

Next years Draft is looking top-4 heavy as of now but those top 3 could be franchise changers. Would love nothing more than the Spurs to get a top pick next season.

[Kurgan]

McDermott now Young AND Aminu. Three 4's plus Collins who when/if healthy can play 4 and 5. Big FU to Luka Samanic smh. Like the McDermott signing but I don't like this trade although I guess it makes sense getting the first. I'd rather us cut one of them though. We go youth at every other position and then trade for a 33 and 30 year old.

The crappy Collins isn't ever gonna suit up :lol

He makes Porzingis look like an iron man...and we're paying him $22 mil for the pleasure of sitting at home for the next three years.

[Russ]

I think this deal means the Spurs didn't want Markkanen.

That was smart if it was the case. This deal gives them much more flexibility as well as future picks.

Between Markannen, Collins and DeRozan, I'd take a chance on the future.

[R. DeMurre]

Love this trade. I suggested Thad & Satoransky for DDR months ago, but getting three picks is fantastic. Thad had a great season last year and was better than Markkanen in every way except for 3pt%. He's a very underrated player and a great vet presence. First move of the summer that I support 100%.

[Russ]

[Duplicate]

:flag:

[rastaspur]

Nice to have depression off the team.

Thaddeus young doesnt suck like some of the emo posters think. He had his most efficient year last year. He just quit shooting threes altogether and out of nowhere his assists balloon to iver 4 a game showing a new facet to his game.

He was also in the top 35 in the league in per. He isn't dead weight. Not at all.

[objective]

Young is partially guaranteed at 6M. If they waive and stretch him, by my count, they can still cobble together the money for a Lauri offer if they want that.

I also think both these players, especially Young, are VERY tradeable later this year. Like if the Spurs wanted to do a Wiggins + asset deal with Warriors later these 2 pretty much get you there. Hell, they could even form part of a Collins sign and trade assuming Collins hasnt narrowed difference with Atlanta already.

Young is fully guaranteed now. The NBA closed the loophole

[Kurgan]

Spurs make a Presti type deal and ST hates it :lol

If John Collins is a no go and re-signing with Hawks then this is a very decent deal tbh. Thad Young is a very good player and they might be able to flip him to a contender for something. Aminu is beyond shit , wouldn't surprise me if he's waived.

Still wonder about that Zach Collins deal though, that was awkward, hopefully a good portion of it is unguaranteed. Can't image he's had any leverage.

Presti would have turned $50 mil in cap room into MULTIPLE 1sts. The fact that our dumbass FO wasted half that cap on two shitty whites boys is what stings. The crappy Collins won't ever be healthy and McNugget is a 30 year old shooter that can't play defense. They aren't worth the combined $21 mil. Especially if it means signing them took away any flexibility to make a John Collins offer. And that 1st from the Bulls will probably be protected.

[SpursRussia]

Now we have everything we need for a major trade:
an asset White or Murray, wouldn't want to give up Keldon, too valuable. Teams wouldn't want Vassel or Lonnie, unless he explodes this year
Expiring salary filler
Draft picks

It's a pipe dream, but who can be acquired? Simmons, Tobias, Sabonis, Siakam?

[timvp]

I don't love this usage of max level cap space ... but I'm somewhat happy, all things considered.

-Did not want DeRozan back

-I didn't want Lauri after getting McDermott. That's too much bad defense

-A first round pick from the Bulls? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. (As long as the protections are reasonable. Preferably only top 3/4 protected)

-Thad Young is quietly really damn good. Can't shoot so he's an iffy fit but he's actually good. The Spurs should be able to flip him for an asset at some point before the trade deadline.

-Aminu is a broken down nothing but he shouldn't get in the way

-The Spurs didn't have a second round pick in 2022 so getting a couple is nice

-No more DeRozan! Or Mills! (Sorry, Patty, but it done been time.)








Big-picture, I don't love using future cap space on McDermott but assuming Zollins has unguaranteed second and third seasons, I'm happy-ish.

On the spectrum of how good or bad this offseason could have gone, this is definitely closer to the good than the bad.

[objective]

This deal is total garbage UNLESS Collins and his agent told SA straight up that he wasn't signing with them no matter what.

The opportunity to get Collins is worth much more than the Bulls deal.

And how is it that so many on this thread didn't instantly understand that this deal means the Spurs have no caproom left? Brian Wright must be on this board after all

[slick'81]

As long as the future pick isnt protected im good. Spurs didnt improve as a team this off season but they didnt necessarily get worse either .Up to our young core to sink or swim. Nvm the pick is protected...:bang

[PhantomDashCam]

That Lakers 2022 pick could be very high too, they’re one injury away from utter catastrophe.

These expirings open extension opps. For Keldon (likely), Lonnie (50/50) and maybe Samanic in the off-season.
Young guys are finally (most likely) getting a chance…
Awesome.

[PhantomDashCam]

That Lakers 2022 pick could be very high too, they’re one injury away from utter catastrophe.

These expirings open extension opps. For Keldon (likely), Lonnie (50/50) and maybe Samanic in the off-season.
Young guys are finally (most likely) getting a chance…
Awesome.

[slick'81]

Arent we just going to buy out thad,and aminu?

[objective]

Presti would have turned $50 mil in cap room into MULTIPLE 1sts. The fact that our dumbass FO wasted half that cap on two shitty whites boys is what stings. The crappy Collins won't ever be healthy and McNugget is a 30 year old shooter that can't play defense. They aren't worth the combined $21 mil. Especially if it means signing them took away any flexibility to make a John Collins offer. And that 1st from the Bulls will probably be protected.

100% on Presti.

Why are people celebrating like Wright did something good here? He got a first rounder ... He could have gotten at least one anyway by eating a bad deal,

Favors and his 2/20 got a damn first

[Kurik]

Arent we just going to buy out thad,and aminu?

Thad will have trade value at the deadline, whether the Spurs act on it is another thing.

[cd98]

I get that people will hate DDR and you may think he was a terrible fit, but he was the best player on the team since he was traded here. He had every reason to sulk about being traded from a place he wanted to be to the Spurs, but he showed up and played his best. It wasn't his fault that Kawhi incensed the franchise and then left and made DDR take the heat. I thought he was enjoyable to watch and had some great drives to the basket. Sure, we didn't win, but come on, the roster was flawed and that was not all his fault. I wish him luck and look forward to the NBA media all of a sudden liking him now that he is going to a big market team.

I'm glad he's gone because a tear down is the only way to build up this team, but I appreciate his efforts as a Spur and I still think he's probably one of the 10 best players to put on a Spur jersey and if not, then at least top 15.

[objective]

Favors gets dumped with a first, Spurstalk be: "Ewww, I don't want to risk cap room for that!

Young/Aminu dumped with a first for a player they really want, Spurstalk be: "Finally a good deal!"

This is a joke. They would have given up a first to dump those two anyway! And they get back a starter that they really want?

And the Spurs squeezed out nothing but seconds ....

Pathetic!

[objective]

Favors gets dumped with a first, Spurstalk be: "Ewww, I don't want to risk cap room for that!

Young/Aminu dumped with a first for a player they really want, Spurstalk be: "Finally a good deal!"

This is a joke. They would have given up a first to dump those two anyway! And they get back a starter that they really want?

And the Spurs squeezed out nothing but seconds ....

Pathetic!

[SpursRussia]

People who got mad expecting to use the cap space on Collins, get real, he was never coming! Even if he signed an offer sheet, Hawks match it in every scenario. We would have just wasted to opportunity to get assets for DDR hoping to get Collins and ended up with nothing. This is a good deal.

[KingKev]

Are ppl not realizing Thad Young, Aminu, Mcdermott are now all ahead of our youth in the pecking order? That trio is the new DDR, Gay, Mills. DDR could have fetched an expiring and a better player at the deadline. This is Brian Wright’s best move so far as a GM though. That lottery pick we are about to earn will be attached to move a disgruntled DJ when he finally says fk this organization.

[Chinook]

Yeah. This deal in a vacuum to fill out the roster is fine, probably even good. This deal after Collins and McDermott is abysmal. If this pick is something like lotto in 25 and 26 then a 28 second if not conveyed, this deal will be horrible. Who cares about the worse of SAC/CHI/LAL second next year and a 2025 Chicago second isn't carrying the day for me.

[timvp]

Why are people celebrating like Wright did something good here? He got a first rounder ... He could have gotten at least one anyway by eating a bad deal,

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.


But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.

It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.

[timvp]

Why are people celebrating like Wright did something good here? He got a first rounder ... He could have gotten at least one anyway by eating a bad deal,

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.


But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.

It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.

[KingKev]

Are ppl not realizing Thad Young, Aminu, Mcdermott are now all ahead of our youth in the pecking order? That trio is the new DDR, Gay, Mills. DDR could have fetched an expiring and a better player at the deadline. This is Brian Wright’s best move so far as a GM though. That lottery pick we are about to earn will be attached to move a disgruntled DJ when he finally says fk this organization.

[baseline bum]

spurs cant draft so who cares how good the picks are. Thank god he's gone. At least we got rid of all the trash in one day.

Disagree, Brian Wrong is still employed.

[R. DeMurre]

Thad had an incredible under the radar year last year: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Like Julius Randle, he reorganized his whole approach to the game and finished the year averaging over 4 apg. No one on the Bulls had a better +/- for the season: http://www.82games.com/2021/2021CHI.HTM

Could easily be a nice trade piece next year with his expiring contract.

[slick'81]

Are ppl not realizing Thad Young, Aminu, Mcdermott are now all ahead of our youth in the pecking order? That trio is the new DDR, Gay, Mills. DDR could have fetched an expiring and a better player at the deadline. This is Brian Wright’s best move so far as a GM though. That lottery pick we are about to earn will be attached to move a disgruntled DJ when he finally says fk this organization.


Aminu sucks and wont play over anybody. Dougie is a backup or maybe starter at4:lol and thad can easily be bought out

[timvp]

Favors gets dumped with a first, Spurstalk be: "Ewww, I don't want to risk cap room for that!

Young/Aminu dumped with a first for a player they really want, Spurstalk be: "Finally a good deal!"

This is a joke. They would have given up a first to dump those two anyway! And they get back a starter that they really want?

And the Spurs squeezed out nothing but seconds ....

Pathetic!

Favors has two more years. Young and Aminu are expiring. Big difference. I'd hate this trade if Young or Aminu had an extra year.

Plus Young actually has positive value. Aminu is a straight dump but Young should be able to net something else at the trade deadline if the Spurs retain his current value.

[timvp]

Thad had an incredible under the radar year last year: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Like Julius Randle, he reorganized his whole approach to the game and finished the year averaging over 4 apg. No one on the Bulls had a better +/- for the season: http://www.82games.com/2021/2021CHI.HTM

Yeah, Thad was awesome last year. Arguably the best player on the Bulls. At least most impactful.

He can't shoot though so I do worry the Spurs won't be able to retain his value.

[rankingtear]

Are ppl not realizing Thad Young, Aminu, Mcdermott are now all ahead of our youth in the pecking order? That trio is the new DDR, Gay, Mills. DDR could have fetched an expiring and a better player at the deadline. This is Brian Wright’s best move so far as a GM though. That lottery pick we are about to earn will be attached to move a disgruntled DJ when he finally says fk this organization.

Aminu? Lol.

[Kurgan]

People who got mad expecting to use the cap space on Collins, get real, he was never coming! Even if he signed an offer sheet, Hawks match it in every scenario. We would have just wasted to opportunity to get assets for DDR hoping to get Collins and ended up with nothing. This is a good deal.

A protected 1st, a washed up Aminu, and a net negative RPM player in Thad Young who shot 26% from beyond the arc is better than a shot at signing John Collins? Lot of pathetic loser attitude on this board with the "we never had a chance to sign him anyway". You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

[cd98]

I doubt either Aminu or Young will be on the roster by the end of the year. They may not even by on the roster by the end of the summer.

[Sugus]

100% on Presti.

Why are people celebrating like Wright did something good here? He got a first rounder ... He could have gotten at least one anyway by eating a bad deal,

Favors and his 2/20 got a damn first

:lmao the seemingly innocent "why are people celebrating", bruh you know damn well why we're celebrating, act now like you didn't want DeRozan off the team as well :lol

I love it when the Exhaling Krew dishes it out, y'all are funny, but it's pathetic to see you can't take it and admit the FO makes good moves sometimes too. This deal is objectively (pun intended) good by the sole measure of both getting DDR off the team, AND getting multiple assets, picks included, out of it. No way to spin this as bad news... Unless you're willing to abandon all objectivity and just go troll-hater mode, tbh.

DeRozan, actually off the fucking team... And y'all crying about it. Hilarious :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I really like Thad Young. A bit of a funky fit on the current Spurs, but who cares. He's smart enough to find his role. He's a way better player than given credit for.

[poopbox]

So Luka is never playing huh :lol

I actually take us not getting Lauri in the sign and trade to mean that Luka is going to either be the backup or starting 4. No chance of Collins touching the floor until January and when he does he is probably going to play backup center exclusively.

[Rummpd]

First good move FO this year

[EasyMoney]

I don't see aminu on this roster day 1. But young? He's 6'8. A LEGIT power forward and the only true power forward outside of maybe Luka, and doug, who are better coming off the bench. Young will provide veteranship and perhaps raise his trade value for another trade. Or in typical spurs fashion, a buyout.

[Dverde]

Fine with it. I actually like DDR and he played his ass off here, but it wasn’t working. He needed to go unless he just wants to take less and be part of a rebuild. He was smart to go back to East. Probably make an All Star game again.

[timvp]

:lmao the seemingly innocent "why are people celebrating", bruh you know damn well why we're celebrating, act now like you didn't want DeRozan off the team as well :lol

I love it when the Exhaling Krew dishes it out, y'all are funny, but it's pathetic to see you can't take it and admit the FO makes good moves sometimes too. This deal is objectively (pun intended) good by the sole measure of both getting DDR off the team, AND getting multiple assets, picks included, out of it. No way to spin this as bad news... Unless you're willing to abandon all objectivity and just go troll-hater mode, tbh.

DeRozan, actually off the fucking team... And y'all crying about it. Hilarious :lol

Pretty much, tbh.

DeRozan off the team and a first round pick from the Bulls of all franchises? It could have been so much worse it's not even funny :lol

[EasyMoney]

:lmao the seemingly innocent "why are people celebrating", bruh you know damn well why we're celebrating, act now like you didn't want DeRozan off the team as well :lol

I love it when the Exhaling Krew dishes it out, y'all are funny, but it's pathetic to see you can't take it and admit the FO makes good moves sometimes too. This deal is objectively (pun intended) good by the sole measure of both getting DDR off the team, AND getting multiple assets, picks included, out of it. No way to spin this as bad news... Unless you're willing to abandon all objectivity and just go troll-hater mode, tbh.

DeRozan, actually off the fucking team... And y'all crying about it. Hilarious :lol


Even if they s&t demar for collins somehow, and traded Murray and Lonnie for LEBRON FUCKING JAMES., someone would still complain.

[objective]

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.


But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.

It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.

Dude, this summer is total garbage and RC should retire and Wright should be fired.

Your only defense is that it could have been worse?

It is worse.

Why sign McDermott, a turning 30 win now player if they're not pairing him with a win now player in John Collins?

Because they're not competing for anything with Thad Young, ask the Bulls.

They still can't decide on a path, or are too dumb to realize that. Sign a broken down Zollins ... Tanking. Sign McDermott, not tanking.

[objective]

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.


But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.

It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.

Dude, this summer is total garbage and RC should retire and Wright should be fired.

Your only defense is that it could have been worse?

It is worse.

Why sign McDermott, a turning 30 win now player if they're not pairing him with a win now player in John Collins?

Because they're not competing for anything with Thad Young, ask the Bulls.

They still can't decide on a path, or are too dumb to realize that. Sign a broken down Zollins ... Tanking. Sign McDermott, not tanking.

[slick'81]

Pretty much, tbh.

DeRozan off the team and a first round pick from the Bulls of all franchises? It could have been so much worse it's not even funny :lol


Any news on the protected pick ? Top 5 or.....

[Dingle Barry]

Wish the pick wasn't so many years in the future. When do we find out about any protection for the pick?

[duncan2150]

Dude, this summer is total garbage and RC should retire and Wright should be fired.

Your only defense is that it could have been worse?

It is worse.

Why sign McDermott, a turning 30 win now player if they're not pairing him with a win now player in John Collins?

Because they're not competing for anything with Thad Young, ask the Bulls.

They still can't decide on a path, or are too dumb to realize that. Sign a broken down Zollins ... Tanking. Sign McDermott, not tanking.


What are you talking about ? they decide to turn the vets page with Mills, Derozan AND GAY gone. Almost every spurs fan wants that, just with this i'm fine.

They land something from Derozan, almost everybody wants something in return from him.

We could talk about Mc Dermott but the deal is not bad, you could trade him easily imo if that did not work ...

I mean ok mc dermott or collins could be debatable but what do you want ? bringing back the vet ? signing Collins for a Max ?

[objective]

:lmao the seemingly innocent "why are people celebrating", bruh you know damn well why we're celebrating, act now like you didn't want DeRozan off the team as well :lol

I love it when the Exhaling Krew dishes it out, y'all are funny, but it's pathetic to see you can't take it and admit the FO makes good moves sometimes too. This deal is objectively (pun intended) good by the sole measure of both getting DDR off the team, AND getting multiple assets, picks included, out of it. No way to spin this as bad news... Unless you're willing to abandon all objectivity and just go troll-hater mode, tbh.

DeRozan, actually off the fucking team... And y'all crying about it. Hilarious :lol

DeRozan was gone anyway. So what? They could have gotten firsts with space

Like I've posted, if Collins told the Spurs to screw off, then that's different.

But this was a poor job of using leverage on the Bulls.

[rankingtear]

Dude, this summer is total garbage and RC should retire and Wright should be fired.

Your only defense is that it could have been worse?

It is worse.

Why sign McDermott, a turning 30 win now player if they're not pairing him with a win now player in John Collins?

Because they're not competing for anything with Thad Young, ask the Bulls.

They still can't decide on a path, or are too dumb to realize that. Sign a broken down Zollins ... Tanking. Sign McDermott, not tanking.

Look on the bright side we are not paying Collins max money.

[tbdog]

Dude, this summer is total garbage and RC should retire and Wright should be fired.

Your only defense is that it could have been worse?

It is worse.

Why sign McDermott, a turning 30 win now player if they're not pairing him with a win now player in John Collins?

Because they're not competing for anything with Thad Young, ask the Bulls.

They still can't decide on a path, or are too dumb to realize that. Sign a broken down Zollins ... Tanking. Sign McDermott, not tanking.
McDermott isn't a win now player. He is a plug and play vet shooter that the team needs.

[rjv]

Lol at those bitching about this trade. The alternative was DeMar walking for nothing…

The fact that we found a team willing to give us a future first round pick for him is big. Thad Young is a serviceable wing on an expiring contract who could be worth an asset at the trade deadline. Spurs also got rid of a guy who was holding back our young players from developing.

Now we can properly tank next season while letting our young guys take their lumps and bruises and learning in the process.

This is a W for this organization that has been taking nothing but L’s lately.

it's ST so i'm not the least surprised. ST posters crash as often as its server does.

[BacktoBasics]

It’s as if people don’t realize that Collins would actually have to want to come here before any offer is even tendered.

This forum seems to believe that a player is obtainable based solely on the ability to afford him. You people cannot be this shortsighted. I get the disappointment but seriously… the argument that we shoulda got Collins isn’t really an argument at all.

[cd98]

Pop in Olympics all summer and then comes back and is exhausted. The roster had been built so much around DDR. We should be prime for sucking this season and I will be rooting for it all the way while watching our young guys learn to play hard (hopefully), but lose mightily.

[CGD]

If ATL is already up to $25M/yr, they will match a $30M offer sheet.

I dont know man, don't they also have to give Huerter an extension? He's probably eying that Duncan Robinson $$.

[rjv]

the spurs picked up expiring contracts and future draft picks so they are in a better position for trades now because they lacked most assets needed for a trade prior to this move. but i guess ST believes that there was some magical signing that was going to take place.

[objective]

Favors has two more years. Young and Aminu are expiring. Big difference. I'd hate this trade if Young or Aminu had an extra year.

Plus Young actually has positive value. Aminu is a straight dump but Young should be able to net something else at the trade deadline if the Spurs retain his current value.

Yes, Favors has 2 years at 10 each (rounded I think)

Well, based on news reports the Spurs will be paying Zollins 7 next year and over 7 the next year. And he might not play next year. Give me favors and the pick.

I like Young as a player, I know a lot of Bulls fans but especially teammates loved him. After all that's happened, you expect Wright to be able to move him at the deadline? I don't. I'd love to see him folded into a deal for John Collins for instance but I'm not holding my breath

[KingKev]

Aminu sucks and wont play over anybody. Dougie is a backup or maybe starter at4:lol and thad can easily be bought out

Everything you said is absolutely true if this current front office could actually execute.

[objective]

The old vets in DDR, Rudy, Mills, Lyles are gone

I'm happy about that

All that needed for that to happen was the Spurs doing nothing. That's all. They really get extra credit for that threshold?

[Leetonidas]

It’s as if people don’t realize that Collins would actually have to want to come here before any offer is even tendered.

This forum seems to believe that a player is obtainable based solely on the ability to afford him. You people cannot be this shortsighted. I get the disappointment but seriously… the argument that we shoulda got Collins isn’t really an argument at all.

This. There was only a remote chance Spurs could have landed him anyway. I like Collins but he isn't turning the franchise around so missing out and trying against next summer isn't the end of the world. We will finally get to really see what our young guys have next season

[Sugus]

DeRozan was gone anyway. So what? They could have gotten firsts with space

Like I've posted, if Collins told the Spurs to screw off, then that's different.

But this was a poor job of using leverage on the Bulls.

Retarded level take considering the entire board was assuming DeRozan was gonna be brought back. Lol pivoting to "he was gone anyways!!" to not even admit a sliver of good decision-making by the FO even when we all saw his market was dry as fuck and no team wanted his sorry, no-3-no-D ass for more than the MLE. Like, there was a perfectly legit chance of him coming back, and the Spurs FO refused it. So what, you say, as if it wasn't a big deal? :lol

Not to mention getting rid of Gay AND Patty. Again, against the "prediction" and certainty of every ST expert (I'd say you included, but I'm too lazy to look your post history up, tbh... Consider yourself saved by the bell ;) ). The Collins signing was literally always a pipe dream considering he was a RFA, Collins could've told the Spurs he really really wanted to sign here and it wouldn't matter given ATL didn't want to lose him for nothing.

Again, you're scraping by for reasons to complain at this point. It's ok to be happy sometimes, you know? Come smoke a fat one with the rest of us in celebration :smokin

[poopbox]

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.
But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.
It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.


I don't get the fascination with Presti because the only reason he gets these 1st round picks is NOT that he is a good GM but because he does not care about roster fit at all. If you give him 1st round picks he will trade any player at any time no matter what. That doesn't take skill, that just takes not caring about winning. I also don't think it will lead to much in the end as all these 1st he has are going to get traded in for disgruntled starts who don't want to be in OKC any longer than they have to (see every star player not named KD and Russ and then eventually KD and Russ ) or they are just going to be 1st round picks the he has to hilariously overpay to keep in okc or they are just going to leave and go somewhere else. Dude just had to pay a 23 year old a max to keep him in OKC.

[KingKev]

the spurs still have assets, expiring contracts and future draft picks so they are in a better position for trades now because they lacked most assets needed for a trade prior to this move. but i guess ST believes that there was some magical signing that was going to take place.

They have been WELL positioned for trades for 2-3 years and could not execute. They made one today and it is a C grade at best relative to what they could have accomplished in the last 12-18 months with similar assets. So either they are learning or still very much lost.

[timvp]

I wanted John Collins but obviously that wasn't happening. I wouldn't have liked this trade if it happened before the real Collins had an opportunity to except a max offer ... but the Spurs waited it out (they needed to wait until midnight) and nothing happened on that front. So, safe to say it wasn't going to happen.

How much I like this trade depends on the protections of that first round pick. If the protections are rigid, this isn't that good of a trade. It'd be a "nice guy" trade where the Spurs helped DeRozan get paid. But if the protections are light, this is a pretty good deal.

[Darius Bieber]

I wanted John Collins but obviously that wasn't happening. I wouldn't have liked this trade if it happened before the real Collins had an opportunity to except a max offer ... but the Spurs waited it out (they needed to wait until midnight) and nothing happened on that front. So, safe to say it wasn't going to happen.

How much I like this trade depends on the protections of that first round pick. If the protections are rigid, this isn't that good of a trade. It'd be a "nice guy" trade where the Spurs helped DeRozan get paid. But if the protections are light, this is a pretty good deal.

Anything more than a Top 5 protection is a loss tbh. Top 10 Protected might be okay, but I can totally see it being a Top 20 Protected. :downspin:

[The Truth #6]

Not resigning DDR is a good deal. He’s off the team. A few one year rentals/veterans, who hopefully get traded elsewhere. And some draft picks. Given the low confidence in Brian, this feels breathtaking.

[timvp]

Yes, Favors has 2 years at 10 each (rounded I think)

Well, based on news reports the Spurs will be paying Zollins 7 next year and over 7 the next year. And he might not play next year. Give me favors and the pick. Link? I haven't seen talk regarding how guaranteed the contract is. I can't imagine his second or third year has much guaranteed money. Then again, I couldn't imagine the Spurs signing a formerly mobile big with a thrice broken foot, so what do I know, tbh? :lol


I like Young as a player, I know a lot of Bulls fans but especially teammates loved him. After all that's happened, you expect Wright to be able to move him at the deadline? I don't. I'd love to see him folded into a deal for John Collins for instance but I'm not holding my breathYoung is a positive asset right now. I share your skepticism of whether he will be flipped for an asset but his positive value needs to be taken into an account when assessing this trade.

[dbestpro]

I love this trade. We have been so weak at the PF position defensively. This also opens up the game for Johnson to move to SF. Should also allow Murray to get back instead of crashing the boards which in turn will limit the fast breaks. This actually is the type of team Pop might get something positive from. Watch him make this team compettitive shutting us all up including me, who is a top Pop hater. Love the picks too. Awesome deal.

[rjv]

Link? I haven't seen talk regarding how guaranteed the contract is. I can't imagine his second or third year has much guaranteed money. Then again, I couldn't imagine the Spurs signing a formerly mobile big with a thrice broken foot, so what do I know, tbh? :lol

Young is a positive asset right now. I share your skepticism of whether he will be flipped for an asset but his positive value needs to be taken into an account when assessing this trade.

i know this is highly unlikely but with the added picks, the spurs can at least make the possibility of a trade for ben simmons something that could happen because now you would have a young player or two, possibly young and, of course, more trade picks which is what morey loves. again-not likely, but assets are valuable. and i think the spurs have the kind of assets now (expiring contracts, young players and draft picks) that they didn't really have before (because ST overvalued the actual worth of rudy, DDR, LMA and such).

[Ocotillo]

Even if they s&t demar for collins somehow, and traded Murray and Lonnie for LEBRON FUCKING JAMES., someone would still complain.

Trade two young guys for the corpse of Lebron James, TF is wrong with you. :lol

[objective]

Retarded level take considering the entire board was assuming DeRozan was gonna be brought back. Lol pivoting to "he was gone anyways!!" to not even admit a sliver of good decision-making by the FO even when we all saw his market was dry as fuck and no team wanted his sorry, no-3-no-D ass for more than the MLE. Like, there was a perfectly legit chance of him coming back, and the Spurs FO refused it. So what, you say, as if it wasn't a big deal? :lol

Not to mention getting rid of Gay AND Patty. Again, against the "prediction" and certainty of every ST expert (I'd say you included, but I'm too lazy to look your post history up, tbh... Consider yourself saved by the bell ;) ). The Collins signing was literally always a pipe dream considering he was a RFA, Collins could've told the Spurs he really really wanted to sign here and it wouldn't matter given ATL didn't want to lose him for nothing.

Again, you're scraping by for reasons to complain at this point. It's ok to be happy sometimes, you know? Come smoke a fat one with the rest of us in celebration :smokin

Collins is a pipe dream, yes. I'll take the dream. I'll smoke out, nobody wake me. :lol:

[vy65]

Yeah. This deal in a vacuum to fill out the roster is fine, probably even good. This deal after Collins and McDermott is abysmal.

This.

[vy65]

Yeah. This deal in a vacuum to fill out the roster is fine, probably even good. This deal after Collins and McDermott is abysmal.

This.

[J_Paco]

I think everyone in their right mind would've preferred John Collins, but it seems the reality is he wanted to no parts of SA (what's new).

They flipped a poor fitting, veteran player from some expiring contracts and future assets, when the alternative was him leaving for nothing (many people's chief complaint).

Seems whatever the Spurs do people will find a reason to complain.

[rjv]

Link? I haven't seen talk regarding how guaranteed the contract is. I can't imagine his second or third year has much guaranteed money. Then again, I couldn't imagine the Spurs signing a formerly mobile big with a thrice broken foot, so what do I know, tbh? :lol

Young is a positive asset right now. I share your skepticism of whether he will be flipped for an asset but his positive value needs to be taken into an account when assessing this trade.

i know this is highly unlikely but with the added picks, the spurs can at least make the possibility of a trade for ben simmons something that could happen because now you would have a young player or two, possibly young and, of course, more trade picks which is what morey loves. again-not likely, but assets are valuable. and i think the spurs have the kind of assets now (expiring contracts, young players and draft picks) that they didn't really have before (because ST overvalued the actual worth of rudy, DDR, LMA and such).

[objective]

Link? I haven't seen talk regarding how guaranteed the contract is. I can't imagine his second or third year has much guaranteed money. Then again, I couldn't imagine the Spurs signing a formerly mobile big with a thrice broken foot, so what do I know, tbh? :lol

Young is a positive asset right now. I share your skepticism of whether he will be flipped for an asset but his positive value needs to be taken into an account when assessing this trade.

For the Zollins deal I was going by all the reports, none of which indicated any specifics on guarantees. Until there's reports to the contrary I'm taking the 3/22 on face value

[KingKev]

Aminu? Lol.

If he is healthy it’s an absolute possibility. He was a decently coveted 3/4 when he arrived in Orlando pre injuries. This is a team of C level players with a coach who has a certain way of rewarding playing time. It won’t take much for him to be getting 25 mins a game on this dog sh!t roster.

[J_Paco]

I think everyone in their right mind would've preferred John Collins, but it seems the reality is he wanted to no parts of SA (what's new).

They flipped a poor fitting, veteran player from some expiring contracts and future assets, when the alternative was him leaving for nothing (many people's chief complaint).

Seems whatever the Spurs do people will find a reason to complain.

[TD 21]

I think everyone in their right mind would've preferred John Collins, but it seems the reality is he wanted to no parts of SA (what's new).

But they need to maintain the "culture", right? Already in a non glamour market and clearly unappealing to a certain type that just so happens to make up the majority of the league.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm ok with this deal. As timvp said, depending on the protections on the first rounder, this can look better or worse, but overall it's not horrible. It looks like we were shut out from everyone we wanted, so we got two expiring contracts and picked up 3 draft picks. I honestly didn't expect anything for DeRozan.

The expiring players might be flipped into something better, and we still have plenty of room to maneuver depending on how the young guys develop and how the season pans out. These are moveable assets, so I like the flexibility it creates.

Finally an offseason Spurs move that grades above a D in my book.

[J_Paco]

But they need to maintain the "culture", right? Already in a non glamour market and clearly unappealing to a certain type that just so happens to make up the majority of the league.

What "culture" are you rambling about?! That culture left with Manu, Tony, Tim and to a far, far lesser degree Patty Mills.

The team isn't going to be winning and isn't in a "glamour" market, yes, and that means they'll need to build through the draft and trades.

[J_Paco]

But they need to maintain the "culture", right? Already in a non glamour market and clearly unappealing to a certain type that just so happens to make up the majority of the league.

What "culture" are you rambling about?! That culture left with Manu, Tony, Tim and to a far, far lesser degree Patty Mills.

The team isn't going to be winning and isn't in a "glamour" market, yes, and that means they'll need to build through the draft and trades.

[Mr. Body]

Great job. Got some assets and a nice veteran in a position of need for a player who could have just walked for nothing.

[Mnky]

Three draft picks for a guy who could walk...that's a great deal. Two easily move able contracts as well for possible contenders later on who might give up more. I love this deal. No long term commitments and nothing change. Derozan was gone and the spurs had noone to pay this offseason.

Now they have three more draft picks, which are assets to trade as well, not just to use in a draft.

It won't come before 2025, so that 1st could be when they're falling apart. Could end up being a lottery pick with the rest of the east moving up.

And best yet, the young guys are officially taking over next year, with four brand new players who can all shoot from 3. This is what posters have been crying about all year. Spurs answer all the complaints and they still complain. :lol

Great move.

[Russ]

Best offseason since Kawhi.

Can't wait to get to Vegas Monday to see the summer show.

In fact, can't wait till 8:00 tonight (Central) on NBATV to see the show from SLC.

[Sugus]

I love this trade. We have been so weak at the PF position defensively. This also opens up the game for Johnson to move to SF. Should also allow Murray to get back instead of crashing the boards which in turn will limit the fast breaks. This actually is the type of team Pop might get something positive from. Watch him make this team compettitive shutting us all up including me, who is a top Pop hater. Love the picks too. Awesome deal.

It'd be so funny to be assuming a tank job coming into the season, only for Pop to finally find his coaching fire again and coach the team into a play-in spot :lol

Agree on the take wholeheartedly, I too want to know the protections on the pick, but it's hilariously hair-splitting to make that the make-or-break aspect of a trade that single-handedly gives the Spurs a direction for the first time in 3 years....

[SpurPadre]

We did what we had to do and this marks the first time we can truly move on and rebuild from the mess Load Management left us with. However, make no mistake, we didn't receive Thad Young today. We got Thad Old.

[baseline bum]

1. Tank and add picks.
2. Repeat 1

1. Tank and add picks.
2. Don't pick second rounders with lottery picks.
3. Repeat 1

[Trill Clinton]

We did what we had to do and this marks the first time we can truly move on and rebuild from the mess Load Management left us with. However, make no mistake, we didn't receive Thad Young today. We got Thad Old.

We got an expiring contact(s) Thad and Aminu which could be assets at the trade deadline. We won.

[TD 21]

What "culture" are you rambling about?! That culture left with Manu, Tony, Tim and to a far, far lesser degree Patty Mills.

The team isn't going to be winning and isn't in a "glamour" market, yes, and that means they'll need to build through the draft and trades.

You know exactly what I'm talking about, apologist.

[Dex]

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE WINNING GAMES!? WE NEED TO TANK AND REBUILD AND FOCUS ON OUR YOUNG TALENT

Also SpursTalk trolls: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TRADING FOR THESE SHORT CONTRACTS AND PICKS!? WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN JOHN COLLINS AND BRING BACK TIM DUNCAN??

DeMar gone. Mills gone. Gay gone. Lyles gone.

This isn't my favorite offseason, but everybody who has been clamoring for a rebuild should be happy right now. You all got what you wanted.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It'd be so funny to be assuming a tank job coming into the season, only for Pop to finally find his coaching fire again and coach the team into a play-in spot :lol

Agree on the take wholeheartedly, I too want to know the protections on the pick, but it's hilariously hair-splitting to make that the make-or-break aspect of a trade that single-handedly gives the Spurs a direction for the first time in 3 years....

This is the kind of team Pop will actually love coaching. There's not a single guy on this roster who's ass Pop won't hesitate to kick. No more coddling, no more protecting egos.

From that perspective, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how the "Misfit Crew" performs.

[Mr. Body]

It’s as if people don’t realize that Collins would actually have to want to come here before any offer is even tendered.

This forum seems to believe that a player is obtainable based solely on the ability to afford him. You people cannot be this shortsighted. I get the disappointment but seriously… the argument that we shoulda got Collins isn’t really an argument at all.

Plus giving that guy a max when you don't know his personality and team fit would be incredibly stupid. A ton of morons on this board.

[spurraider21]

max is relative

the "max" collins is eligible for isn't bad at all in today's market

this demar trade is fine in a vacuum. he was a free agent, not an expiring deal. nice to squeeze some value out of him. i just hate that it seemingly takes us out of the collins sweepstakes

[tbdog]

Where's the addition from subtraction group. In all honesty, our offense is going to be hard to. Watch. Can we not go after sexton?

[DPG21920]

Lol at those bitching about this trade. The alternative was DeMar walking for nothing…

The fact that we found a team willing to give us a future first round pick for him is big. Thad Young is a serviceable wing on an expiring contract who could be worth an asset at the trade deadline. Spurs also got rid of a guy who was holding back our young players from developing.

Now we can properly tank next season while letting our young guys take their lumps and bruises and learning in the process.

This is a W for this organization that has been taking nothing but L’s lately.

The alternative was letting DDR go and using your 28M for a better player or absorbing other deals for a better pick that isn’t both top 10 protected and 4 years away lol

[Robz4000]

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE WINNING GAMES!? WE NEED TO TANK AND REBUILD AND FOCUS ON OUR YOUNG TALENT

Also SpursTalk trolls: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TRADING FOR THESE SHORT CONTRACTS AND PICKS!? WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN JOHN COLLINS AND BRING BACK TIM DUNCAN??

DeMar gone. Mills gone. Gay gone. Lyles gone.

This isn't my favorite offseason, but everybody who has been clamoring for a rebuild should be happy right now. You all got what you wanted.

Forgot to include the shitty white stiff signings, but otherwise I agree.

[Robz4000]

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE WINNING GAMES!? WE NEED TO TANK AND REBUILD AND FOCUS ON OUR YOUNG TALENT

Also SpursTalk trolls: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TRADING FOR THESE SHORT CONTRACTS AND PICKS!? WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN JOHN COLLINS AND BRING BACK TIM DUNCAN??

DeMar gone. Mills gone. Gay gone. Lyles gone.

This isn't my favorite offseason, but everybody who has been clamoring for a rebuild should be happy right now. You all got what you wanted.

Forgot to include the shitty white stiff signings, but otherwise I agree.

[DPG21920]

Spurs make a Presti type deal and ST hates it :lol

If John Collins is a no go and re-signing with Hawks then this is a very decent deal tbh. Thad Young is a very good player and they might be able to flip him to a contender for something. Aminu is beyond shit , wouldn't surprise me if he's waived.

Still wonder about that Zach Collins deal though, that was awkward, hopefully a good portion of it is unguaranteed. Can't image he's had any leverage.

Collins makes way more sense than Doug. Collins is at least young lol. Spurs obviously prioritized youth (Doug is 29 and a shit defender) and cap space next year (Doug is a 3 year deal 14M per). Literally makes no sense now.

[ace3g]

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Headed to the Spurs in the DeMar DeRozan deal is Thaddeus Young. Reminderhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f609.png: Young and LeBron James are the only players in NBA history to play 1,000 career games and average 13 points per game, 5.9 rebounds per game, 1.4 steals per game, 50% on field goals and 30% on 3-pointers

[DPG21920]

I don't love this usage of max level cap space ... but I'm somewhat happy, all things considered.

-Did not want DeRozan back

-I didn't want Lauri after getting McDermott. That's too much bad defense

-A first round pick from the Bulls? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. (As long as the protections are reasonable. Preferably only top 3/4 protected)

-Thad Young is quietly really damn good. Can't shoot so he's an iffy fit but he's actually good. The Spurs should be able to flip him for an asset at some point before the trade deadline.

-Aminu is a broken down nothing but he shouldn't get in the way

-The Spurs didn't have a second round pick in 2022 so getting a couple is nice

-No more DeRozan! Or Mills! (Sorry, Patty, but it done been time.)








Big-picture, I don't love using future cap space on McDermott but assuming Zollins has unguaranteed second and third seasons, I'm happy-ish.

On the spectrum of how good or bad this offseason could have gone, this is definitely closer to the good than the bad.

Freaking top 10 protection man. Nasty.

[Robz4000]

Freaking top 10 protection man. Nasty.

What does it turn into if it ends up top 10?

[duncan2150]

Collins makes way more sense than Doug. Collins is at least young lol. Spurs obviously prioritized youth (Doug is 29 and a shit defender) and cap space next year (Doug is a 3 year deal 14M per). Literally makes no sense now.


They can trade him easily, spurs will have cap space next year and they can do a lot things with their roster. Barring the fit because McDermott fits more with a contender i don't understand your thing.
Collins wants a max, looks like he is not interested by the spurs and that we don't want to give him a max. That's fine.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Where's the addition from subtraction group. In all honesty, our offense is going to be hard to. Watch. Can we not go after sexton?
We’re here and we’re all celebrating. The offense will be more free flowing. Defense will improve remarkably

[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Wrong should try to flip Young and Aminu for another 1st. Then we’re talking

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Where's the addition from subtraction group. In all honesty, our offense is going to be hard to. Watch. Can we not go after sexton?
We’re here and we’re all celebrating. The offense will be more free flowing. Defense will improve remarkably

[objective]

They could have had an extra 20+ million in space next year and the year after but it's locked up in McDermott and Disabled Player Exception.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, in terms of strictly value judging this on a Presti draft pick heist, this trade is nothing to write home about.


But ........................... when you compare this to scenarios where the Spurs "do right" by their vets and re-signed DeRozan and Mills at 5:01 or other dumb moves like Jarrett Allen $100 million or Duncan Robinson $90 or whatever, the summer is somewhat successful.

It's sadly a low bar at this point but I can easily live with what they did. I'd still rather have cap space than the haul they ended up with but, meh, worst fears not realized.

But they directly conflicted with future cap space like this DDR trade by signing Doug. On top of that, what has doing right by players gotten SA? Not jack sh*t. They need to cut that sh*t out and do something good for once for the team

[spurraider21]

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Headed to the Spurs in the DeMar DeRozan deal is Thaddeus Young. Reminderhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f609.png: Young and LeBron James are the only players in NBA history to play 1,000 career games and average 13 points per game, 5.9 rebounds per game, 1.4 steals per game, 50% on field goals and 30% on 3-pointers
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[Mugen]

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE WINNING GAMES!? WE NEED TO TANK AND REBUILD AND FOCUS ON OUR YOUNG TALENT

Also SpursTalk trolls: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TRADING FOR THESE SHORT CONTRACTS AND PICKS!? WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN JOHN COLLINS AND BRING BACK TIM DUNCAN??

DeMar gone. Mills gone. Gay gone. Lyles gone.

This isn't my favorite offseason, but everybody who has been clamoring for a rebuild should be happy right now. You all got what you wanted.

Just one more subtraction from the team and I'll be in heaven, Dexy. prayingdog.jpg.

[DPG21920]

I really like Thad Young. A bit of a funky fit on the current Spurs, but who cares. He's smart enough to find his role. He's a way better player than given credit for.

But we need to bottom out. The biggest issue has been lack of direction and being bad enough for crappy picks but not a playoff team….Spurs have 50M and now? Same exact spot likely if Thad/Doug get a bunch of minutes.

[gambit1990]

this is like winning a championship.

savor this boys.

[J_Paco]

You know exactly what I'm talking about, apologist.

Sure, crybaby.

Always whining even when they're in the process of finally re-setting and rebuilding....

[OldMan88]

Derozen gone :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:toast:toast:toast:toast: toast:downspin:

Rudy Gay gone - thanks for your efforts.

Patty gone - thanks for everything, but glad we’re not paying your retirement contract.

[NASpurs]

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Someone tried really hard to find stats that would include Thad Young into that group :lol

[DPG21920]

They can trade him easily, spurs will have cap space next year and they can do a lot things with their roster. Barring the fit because McDermott fits more with a contender i don't understand your thing.
Collins wants a max, looks like he is not interested by the spurs and that we don't want to give him a max. That's fine.

Spurs can trade an overpaid 29 year old shit defender easily :lol Ok

[DPG21920]

What does it turn into if it ends up top 10?

Top 10 protected 25 and 26, top 8 in 27 then two seconds. YUCKKKKKKKKKKK

[NASpurs]

I’m just glad there’s no one in the way in front of our young group of guards. It’s all I really wanted for years.

[ace3g]

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Bulls' Thaddeus Young wins 2020-21 NBA Hustle Award Bulls forward Thaddeus Young led all NBA players in charges drawn and offensive loose balls recovered on a per-minute basis. (via @brian_martin (https://twitter.com/brian_martin/)) app.link.nba.com/e/hustleaward (https://t.co/duicb29wKC)


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Thaddeus Young is one of only a handful of players since the merger that has registered at least a 25.0 REB%, 14.0 AST%, 2.0 STL%, and 2.0 BLK% in the same season. He also did that in the fewest amount of starts of any of the players on this list.

[DPG21920]

Yes, I am very happy DDR/Mills/Rudy are gone. That was bare min though and took no effort as they were all off the books anyways. We only celebrate the FO avoiding landmines now; not actually doing anything good or creative.

[onechance87]

I’m just glad there’s no one in the way in front of our young group of guards. It’s all I really wanted for years.

i wanna see who steps up and shine...im leaning toward vassel to make a big jump:hungry::hungry:

[Mugen]

Yes, I am very happy DDR/Mills/Rudy are gone. That was bare min though and took no effort as they were all off the books anyways. We only celebrate the FO avoiding landmines now; not actually doing anything good or creative.

It's been that way since they got LMA tbh, stop doing this to yourself every year :lol

[Mugen]

I'm going to buy a Bulls Derozan jersey tbh, this is the best news I've heard since I heard Kawhi tore his ACL :lol

[duncan2150]

Spurs can trade an overpaid 29 year old shit defender easily :lol Ok

man you so tiring, you talk about his contract and that it will embarass spurs cap space next year.

They will easily find a trade partner imo if they want some cap for mc dermott next year, that's just my take. Contenders value that kind of player for the spacing.

For a guy who is talking about rebuild months ago, you have some strange opinions.

[tim_duncan_fan]

We have like 20 young players. Surely one of them is a future occasional all-star...right? *gulps*

Man, this is going to be a legitimately interesting season after the last three being anything but that.


And finally Pop HAS TO play the youngins. About damned time.

[Robz4000]

Top 10 protected 25 and 26, top 8 in 27 then two seconds. YUCKKKKKKKKKKK

:rollin knew it was too good to be true. At least DePression is gone.

[Robz4000]

Top 10 protected 25 and 26, top 8 in 27 then two seconds. YUCKKKKKKKKKKK

:rollin knew it was too good to be true. At least DePression is gone.

[NASpurs]

I’m content with the bare minimum right now and try a wait-and-see approach with this young team to see what their needs are going to be and address as need be. Also seeing that the contracts of Young and Aminu come off the books next year instead of having losers like Kuzma on the team is a plus.

[tbdog]

We’re here and we’re all celebrating. The offense will be more free flowing. Defense will improve remarkably

So we'll be playing for a play in again?

[Robz4000]

man you so tiring, you talk about his contract and that it will embarass spurs cap space next year.

They will easily find a trade partner imo if they want some cap for mc dermott next year, that's just my take. Contenders value that kind of player for the spacing.

For a guy who is talking about rebuild months ago, you have some strange opinions.

:lol no one is trading for McDermott at $14mil/year

[spurraider21]

I'm going to buy a Bulls Derozan jersey tbh, this is the best news I've heard since I heard Kawhi tore his ACL :lol
:lmao

[Robz4000]

We have like 20 young players. Surely one of them is a future occasional all-star...right? *gulps*

Man, this is going to be a legitimately interesting season after the last three being anything but that.


And finally Pop HAS TO play the youngins. About damned time.

Could absolutely see Pop playing Young/Aminu/McDipshit 30 mins a game tbh. On the bright side it'll mean more losses.

[Robz4000]

I'm going to buy a Bulls Derozan jersey tbh, this is the best news I've heard since I heard Kawhi tore his ACL :lol

:lol

[Kurgan]

:lol no one is trading for McDermott at $14mil/year

I remember the fluffers said the same thing about Fatty's 50 mil contract years ago. "We can always trade him for some value"

[duncan2150]

:lol no one is trading for McDermott at $14mil/year


if a gm can give a pick for Pj Tucker, no problem to trade mc dermott. The contract is not toxic but maybe it's complicated to understand for you.

[TD 21]

Sure, crybaby.

Always whining even when they're in the process of finally re-setting and rebuilding....

Never fails. You're too easy. :lmao

[duncan2150]

I remember the fluffers said the same thing about Fatty's 50 mil contract years ago. "We can always trade him for some value"

At the time i hate Patty contract, you're so dumb lol

patty contract was nearly the same but four years, in an nba with less expensive contracts...

[DPG21920]

man you so tiring, you talk about his contract and that it will embarass spurs cap space next year.

They will easily find a trade partner imo if they want some cap for mc dermott next year, that's just my take. Contenders value that kind of player for the spacing.

For a guy who is talking about rebuild months ago, you have some strange opinions.

I am tiring? You’re ass is tiring :lol. How on Earth anyone can make assumptions about SA being able to trade is beyond me. I feel like i am taking crazy pills talking to some of y’all.

I want a rebuild so how does signing a 29 year old to 3 years mesh with that? This is pretty straightforward common sense stuff here.

[Robz4000]

if a gm can give a pick for Pj Tucker, no problem to trade mc dermott. The contract is not toxic but maybe it's complicated to understand for you.

Tucker >>>>>>>> McDermott

[DPG21920]

I remember the fluffers said the same thing about Fatty's 50 mil contract years ago. "We can always trade him for some value"


And Lamarcus Deal…wait.
And Carrolll Deal…wait.
And Mills Deal…wait.
And Rudy Gay Deal…wait.

[Robz4000]

I am tiring? You’re ass is tiring :lol. How on Earth anyone can make assumptions about SA being able to trade is beyond me. I feel like i am taking crazy pills talking to some of y’all.

I want a rebuild so how does signing a 29 year old to 3 years mesh with that? This is pretty straightforward common sense stuff here.

:lol this dude should get a room with Atl Spur and they can echo retarded takes off each other

[Mnky]

Anxiously waiting to see what type of protections are on that 1st.

[duncan2k5]

YESSSS!!!!! Now I can finally enjoy my first full Spurs season since kanji left, win or lose...I can give a shit less if the bulls win the finals and DDR starts hitting threes like curry and is the mvp...I just want him GONE and glad he finally is!

[RC_Drunkford]

And Lamarcus Deal…wait.
And Carrolll Deal…wait.
And Mills Deal…wait.
And Rudy Gay Deal…wait.

and Pau Gasol

[duncan2150]

:lol this dude should get a room with Atl Spur (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8789) and they can echo retarded takes off each other


You're so funny man

[Robz4000]

Anxiously waiting to see what type of protections are on that 1st.

Top 10 protected in 2025, top 8 protected the next year, then conveys into a couple second rounders according to DPG21920.

[offset formation]

McDermott now Young AND Aminu. Three 4's plus Collins who when/if healthy can play 4 and 5. Big FU to Luka Samanic smh. Like the McDermott signing but I don't like this trade although I guess it makes sense getting the first. I'd rather us cut one of them though. We go youth at every other position and then trade for a 33 and 30 year old.

yup. my first thoughts when I saw it. Samanic must now see what the Spurs think of him in living color.

absolutely pathetic off-season moves.

[Prime BEEF]

Top 10 protected in 2025, top 8 protected the next year, then conveys into a couple second rounders according to DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014).
Well that sucks if true

[offset formation]

Anxiously waiting to see what type of protections are on that 1st.

top 25 protected

[Kurgan]

At the time i hate Patty contract, you're so dumb lol

patty contract was nearly the same but four years, in an nba with less expensive contracts...

The Patty contract was bad then. It's still bad now. Spurs bid against themselves, signing him minutes after free agency opened up.

[NASpurs]

Beli gone.
Forbes gone.
LMA gone.
Gay gone.
Patty gone.
DeRozan gone.

:smokin good times

[Fusternino]

Bulls fans think the Spurs won this trade on the main NBA subreddit.

This forum . . .

[offset formation]

The Patty contract was bad then. It's still bad now. Spurs bid against themselves, signing him minutes after free agency opened up.

hmmm, that sounds like something else I've seen recently

[Robz4000]

Bulls fans think the Spurs won this trade on the main NBA subreddit.

This forum . . .

They did in the fact DePression is no longer on our roster.

[Kurgan]

Top 10 protected in 2025, top 8 protected the next year, then conveys into a couple second rounders according to DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014).

$50 mil in cap space used for a top 10 protected 1st...in 2025. Second coming of Sam Presti over here in the Spurs front office folks :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

So we'll be playing for a play in again?
Yes, in fact I believe they can be the 6th seed barring injuries. With the development of vassell and Walker and white handling the ball more I’m super excited to see what the young guys got.

[Fusternino]

Isn't Aminu hysterically homophobic? Not sure how he'll get along with Pop.

[NASpurs]

I’ll actually watch Spurs games next season for once unlike the past couple of years when I bailed ten games into the season because it was constantly the same crap.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Patty contract was bad then. It's still bad now. Spurs bid against themselves, signing him minutes after free agency opened up.

the 2017 offseason was the beginning of the end for this franchise. And a lot of us saw the writing on the wall. But of course the sniffers thought it was all good, like they do now

[GreekSpursfan]

The Mc Dermott deal is fine if we plan to actually tank. Two years tanking and the third year he's gone unless we're not actually tanking and then its bad. We can't fill the roster with just young players, it's not realistic.

[Kurgan]

Bulls fans think the Spurs won this trade on the main NBA subreddit.

This forum . . .

In a vacuum, looking at just the Demar trade, it looks fine. But when you factor in the protections on the 1st rounder and realizing that we spent $50 mil on a group of nothing players and a pick with protections...When you factor in that we drafted two guards with the promise that we would address our front court in free agency...When you factor in that they didn't even bother making an attempt at a John Collins offer(proabably doesn't fulfill the character/culture requirements)...it's looking like a disappointment of an offseason. The only thing people are happy about is the fact that the vets are gone. But we ended up using the 2nd most cap space in FA on two crappy whiteboys, and two washed up forwards. McNugget/ crappy Collins/old Thad Young/Aminu - does that look like $50 million well spent? I'd rather have the real Collins on a max contract over that garbage.

[Chinook]

Those protections aren't abysmal, but Chicago doesn't even have their 27 second. I don't think they can trade past 2028, so I don't know where they're getting the two seconds from. The Spurs might be able to use that pick in trades before it ckmes due, but I hate any first that has a chance to become seconds.