Shams: Spurs Sending DeMar DeRozan to Chicago for Thad Young, a Future FRP, & 2 SRP’s

[gilmor2002]

I bet you Derozan can't win the championship.. no matter

[Fusternino]

I still feel the Spurs with DDR/LMA/Gay/Mills were a couple of forwards away from a top four seed.

[Donald Sterling.]

Add him to the list of players who seem to flourish once they exit Poop's regime :wakeup

[Donald Sterling.]

DeRozan and Mills having their best seasons in years on playoff teams

Kawhi had the best season of his career immediately after leaving San Antonio

Kyle Anderson becoming a serviceable role player on a playoff team in Memphis




I'm afraid Kim Jong-Poop's dictatorship is holding back careers :wakeup

[KingKev]

I still feel the Spurs with DDR/LMA/Gay/Mills were a couple of forwards away from a top four seed.

Bertans and Marcus Morris would have had us as a fringe contender if that offseason didn’t go so badly.

[tbdog]

Bertans and Marcus Morris would have had us as a fringe contender if that offseason didn’t go so badly.

I think LMA fell off too much to agree with that statement.

[KingKev]

I think LMA fell off too much to agree with that statement.

Aldridge’s second last season as a Spur, not 2020-21. Marcus Morris and Bertans both had strong season’s in 2019-20, Morris was almost 20/10 in NY and his 3pt shot was fallin; perfect stretch four who could guard wings. Bertans was wet beyond the arc that year. They would have been good compliments to DDR.

[Fusternino]

A lot of the times it's not even personnel, it's Pop. He loves these four guard lineups. In 2020-2021 when Q got half the team sick Lyles/Samanic/KBD did a really good job rotating at both forward positions only for basically all of them to get put back in dog house once the guards got back from protocol

[John B]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/espns-jj-redick-says-the-spurs-were-purgatory-for-demar-derozan-nba-san-antonio-bulls/273-b7cfc1f6-bfd5-4c99-8da2-a8c49bb89429?tag1=kensshare&fbclid=IwAR0RKQfVG6mz-KyPx6pCXNdmyotE7sdeyNzXz25FDnYbnsJA3SrZksf-56I

Author: Jeff Garcia (KENS)
Published: 2:32 PM CST January 13, 2022
Updated: 2:32 PM CST January 13, 2022

SAN ANTONIO — Former Spur Demar DeRozan makes it clear: Playing in San Antonio and for Gregg Popovich did wonders for his career.

He says it made him a complete player, moving beyond just a scorer, and is thankful for the time spent with the Spurs.

"Before then, I was a scorer. ... If I'm 5-for-30, I don't care. If I'm 15-for-30. Like that was my whole mindset. [Popovich] challenged me to the point of understanding the game in the complete whole," DeRozan said.


However, former NBA guard and current ESPN NBA Analyst, JJ Redick, doesn't see it that way.

While talking about DeRozan's outstanding play with the Chicago Bulls on ESPN's NBA Countdown, Redick called DeRozan's time with the Spurs "purgatory."

"Getting traded to the Spurs. Being in purgatory on a non-playoff team for three years while honing his craft," Redick said. "Sharpening his skills. Becoming a better playmaker. Running the point guard. Now he comes to the Bulls and it's a perfect situation."

It is a safe bet to say DeRozan would not call San Antonio "purgatory."

As DeRozan made clear, his time in San Antonio allowed him to be the player he is now.


n fact, what Redick currently sees out of the former Spur stemmed from his time in San Antonio.

"How to be a point guard. How to be a playmaker. How to dictate the game. How to move without the play. How to play without the ball. How not to turn over the ball," DeRozan said.

Perhaps Redick needs to chat with DeRozan first before throwing shade at San Antonio and realize how it was heaven for the former Spur.

It’s obvious, Demar’s time with the Spurs made him a better overall player. And missing the playoffs could’ve brought hunger back and maybe silence his naysayers. Now he’s back and leads the Guard’s position in AS ballots and should definitely considered and MVP candidate for leading the Bulls back to contention, albeit with much help from Lavine and Bulls squad.

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1482589542536339456

You can always hope. If they don't trade him, I wouldn't buy him out but I would have him ahead of Drew in the rotation. Like last night, instead of Drew, Thad should have been playing. And yes, I saw how things looked with KBD in that role too.

[spurs1990]

Before last night Derozan lost by the following tallies:
26 point loss to Jersey
42 point loss to Warriors

Both at home

As Manu said regression to the mean

[exstatic]

To be fair, I think Levine is out right now. Happy for DeMar. Fuck JJ Redick. Bitch, I’m glad you never got a ring.

[spurs1990]

No it's a good point. Lavine is better than DeRozan. Certainly more valuable and with his age has a much higher ceiling.

I'd put Vuciecic ahead of DeRozan. I do think DeRozan is probably as good as Lonzo. I don't want to be too unfair.

[Dex]

To be fair, I think Levine is out right now. Happy for DeMar. Fuck JJ Redick. Bitch, I’m glad you never got a ring.

I would've loved Reddick on the Spurs as a shooter.

As an analyst, dude just always come off as salty and pissed off. He and Perkins were both on ESPN the other day and spent like 5 minutes just bickering instead of making actual basketball points.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Obviously demar made the playoffs his first year in SA

[John B]

As a fan of the Spurs organization, yeah it’s insulting for Reddick calling staying with the Spurs “purgatory” :lol. But I guess there’s truth to that. Well it’s not heaven not getting in the playoffs, and even getting ranked 82nd? I mean take ESPN however you like it, but Demar wasn’t also selected AS despite his improved overall numbers. And because Spurs were not winning. I’m happy for Demar staying focused and now back to compete. Him saying good things about his stay with the Spurs shows he’s such a good character. I’m happy for Demar.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I love demar. Brilliant offensive player.

This year with Bulls his stats and advanced stats are basically in line with what he's always done. (35pct from 3 though, good on ya)

But yeah Bulls team wayy better than Spurs team. Being in the big market with morons like JJ actually paying attention again, gets him the appreciation he merits

[Fusternino]

Is the CP3 Clippers never getting a ring still anywhere as underwhelming as the Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka Thunder never doing so either?

[Seventyniner]

Is the CP3 Clippers never getting a ring still anywhere as underwhelming as the Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka Thunder never doing so either?

Not even close. That Thunder team had no business winning only one Finals game with that core.

[spurs1990]

Strong effort by DeRozan with 41 points on 15-21 FG

Bulls were without two of their three best players which totally explains getting completely and utterly blown out by the worst team in the NBA.

[daboom1]

RIP Derozan

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[BatManu20]

That’s a pretty evident offensive foul tbh :lol

[KingKev]

Strong effort by DeRozan with 41 points on 15-21 FG

Bulls were without two of their three best players which totally explains getting completely and utterly blown out by the worst team in the NBA.

Also down Caruso, Williams and Derrick Jones Jr

Lavine will be back next week. Caruso, Ball, Derrick Jones Jr back before playoffs.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Thad goes back to Bulls when we buy him out.

[tbdog]

Also down Caruso, Williams and Derrick Jones Jr

Lavine will be back next week. Caruso, Ball, Derrick Jones Jr back before playoffs.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Thad goes back to Bulls when we buy him out.

Thad can't go back. I think spurs need to trade him to another team and that team needs to waive him.

[KingKev]

Thad can't go back. I think spurs need to trade him to another team and that team needs to waive him.

My bad you are correct, have to wait a calendar year.

[spurs1990]

DeRozan brought out Compton on Wagner


https://youtu.be/-6gTzCx4ey8

[gambit1990]

demar isn’t really about it. he’s been pissy before. i remembered when he got after lance stephenson too :lol

[John B]

DeRozan brought out Compton on Wagner


https://youtu.be/-6gTzCx4ey8

Wagner should’ve just let that go. It’s not like it’s a close game.

[MultiTroll]

Wagner should’ve just let that go. It’s not like it’s a close game.
Pssssh.
Much ado about nothing.

[RC_Drunkford]

demar isn’t really about it. he’s been pissy before. i remembered when he got after lance stephenson too :lol

people from Compton beg to differ

[lefty]

WTF is Demar upset about, it's not like Wagner sent him flying

[Mr. Body]

WTF is Demar upset about, it's not like Wagner sent him flying

Dunno. Maybe it's because his team is ravaged by injury and Adam Caruso was just taken out by Grayson by an action similar to this?

Do people not have fucking brains? Like... do you not put thoughts together? Are you an idiot? I'm just legitimately wondering.

[KingKev]

demar isn’t really about it. he’s been pissy before. i remembered when he got after lance stephenson too :lol

Lol where in the “6” you from?

[KingKev]

^ all I see above is two grown men going about their business.

[koriwhat]

Dunno. Maybe it's because his team is ravaged by injury and Adam Caruso was just taken out by Grayson by an action similar to this?

Do people not have fucking brains? Like... do you not put thoughts together? Are you an idiot? I'm just legitimately wondering.

Not even the same situation seeing how DeMar wasn't air bound and homeboy went straight at the ball.

[KingKev]

Dunno. Maybe it's because his team is ravaged by injury and Adam Caruso was just taken out by Grayson by an action similar to this?

Do people not have fucking brains? Like... do you not put thoughts together? Are you an idiot? I'm just legitimately wondering.

Adam Caruso.

[koriwhat]

Adam Caruso.

Lmao I didn't even catch that until you posted your response. :lol

[KingKev]

Lmao I didn't even catch that until you posted your response. :lol

I am not calling out anyone’s man hood. Wagner initiated a grown man foul and DDR had reason to wanna square off. Grayson took a real hard foul, and ALEX Caruso and the Bulls paying the price same way some of you juniors never felt the impact Juwon Howard had on Derek Anderson in the playoffs against the Mavs. Google the shit.

[koriwhat]

I am not calling out anyone’s man hood. Wagner initiated a grown man foul and DDR had reason to wanna square off. Grayson took a real hard foul, and ALEX Caruso and the Bulls paying the price same way some of you juniors never felt the impact Juwon Howard had on Derek Anderson in the playoffs against the Mavs. Google the shit.

I don't need Google to remember Howard's impact. :tu

[spurs1990]

If Loyalty doesn't get injured by Howard no way Spurs lose both home games to LA in the WCF. That could've been a 6 or 7 game series. May have ended up with DA resigning and the following year's team with him instead of over the hill Smitty gets by LA. 20 years ago and I'm still ticked off

[Joseph Kony]

Dunno. Maybe it's because his team is ravaged by injury and Adam Caruso was just taken out by Grayson by an action similar to this?

Do people not have fucking brains? Like... do you not put thoughts together? Are you an idiot? I'm just legitimately wondering.

Lol the entire forum wonders the same about you, bitter dickhead asshole

[exstatic]

If Loyalty doesn't get injured by Howard no way Spurs lose both home games to LA in the WCF. That could've been a 6 or 7 game series. May have ended up with DA resigning and the following year's team with him instead of over the hill Smitty gets by LA. 20 years ago and I'm still ticked off

DA was never resigning here, but if he did, maybe they never bring Manu over…

[Leetonidas]

DeRozan brought out Compton on Wagner


https://youtu.be/-6gTzCx4ey8

Crazy that Demar played 38 minutes and was a +3 in a game they lost by 19 points :lol

[KingKev]

I don't need Google to remember Howard's impact. :tu

You been around the block. That was for for the Manu fans.

[koriwhat]

You been around the block. That was for for the Manu fans.

:tu

[KingKev]

DA was never resigning here, but if he did, maybe they never bring Manu over…

All what ifffs and Steve Smith played a part but my big homie Stephen Jackson mighta been a Spur for life all else equal. Licking old wounds now, look what ya’l made me me do.

[KingKev]

DA was never resigning here, but if he did, maybe they never bring Manu over…

All what ifffs and Steve Smith played a part but my big homie Stephen Jackson mighta been a Spur for life all else equal. Licking old wounds now, look what ya’l made me me do.

[spurs1990]

Don't look now but DeRozan coming back to San Antonio next game.

In his honor thought I'd post his most memorable and satisfying Spurs game in Leonard's return three years ago.


https://youtu.be/284uqyhwhcc

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Don't look now but DeRozan coming back to San Antonio next game.

In his honor thought I'd post his most memorable and satisfying Spurs game in Leonard's return three years ago.


https://youtu.be/284uqyhwhcc

Was at that game...greatest sporting event I've ever been to it was so much fun booing the hell out of Nephew...

[daslicer]

Looking forward to the tribute the Spurs give to Demar.

[John B]

Making his 5th #NBAAllStar appearance... DeMar DeRozan of the chic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19521)agobulls.


Drafted as the 9th pick in 2009 out of USC, Demar (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52326)_DeRozan is averaging 26.4 PPG, 5.0 RPG and 4.8 APG for the Bulls this season.

https://twitter.com/nbaallstar/status/1486855066204188675?s=21

https://twitter.com/nbaallstar/status/1486855066204188675?s=21

[spurs1990]

Woah derozan getting starter votes that’s something would never saw coming after his 3 years here. Though somehow Wiggins is a west starter so it shows you how fickle fan voting is. Wiggins was the guy we were terrified of Spurs acquiring last summer giving up a pick.

[exstatic]

Woah derozan getting starter votes that’s something would never saw coming after his 3 years here. Though somehow Wiggins is a west starter so it shows you how fickle fan voting is. Wiggins was the guy we were terrified of Spurs acquiring last summer giving up a pick.

Wiggins is fool’s gold, just like Draymond. They’re drafting off of the gravity of Curry. Remember how useless Draymond was when Curry was out? Not an All Star. Not an All NBA player. Wiggins is still Wiggins.

[cjw]

Wiggins is fool’s gold, just like Draymond. They’re drafting off of the gravity of Curry. Remember how useless Draymond was when Curry was out? Not an All Star. Not an All NBA player. Wiggins is still Wiggins.

Wiggins will get no All NBA votes. All Star starter voting is meaningless.

[exstatic]

Wiggins will get no All NBA votes. All Star starter voting is meaningless.

The All NBA reference was to the several sham appearances by Draymond.

[spurs1990]

Wiggins is fool’s gold, just like Draymond. They’re drafting off of the gravity of Curry. Remember how useless Draymond was when Curry was out? Not an All Star. Not an All NBA player. Wiggins is still Wiggins.

It’s a valid point. And should be applied to derozan when he has Lavigne, Ball, Vucevic and Caruso in his orbit, in my not so humble nor objective opinion

[KingKev]

Wiggins is fool’s gold, just like Draymond. They’re drafting off of the gravity of Curry. Remember how useless Draymond was when Curry was out? Not an All Star. Not an All NBA player. Wiggins is still Wiggins.

I’m not advocating for Wiggins as an AS starter but he is having another solid season. That contract is still an over pay but c’mon man this isn't the same player from a few years back in Minny. He is playing really good basketball on BOTH sides of the ball.

[exstatic]

I’m not advocating for Wiggins as an AS starter but he is having another solid season. That contract is still an over pay but c’mon man this isn't the same player from a few years back in Minny. He is playing really good basketball on BOTH sides of the ball.

…and if you put him back on Minny, he’d revert to the same player.

That’s how good Curry is. He generates massive amounts of gravity. Teams literally have to pick him up at half court, spreading their defense out, generating open shots for other players. Add Klay to the mix, and no defender is probably within 6-7 feet of Wiggins on any given play.

[KingKev]

…and if you put him back on Minny, he’d revert to the same player.

That’s how good Curry is. He generates massive amounts of gravity. Teams literally have to pick him up at half court, spreading their defense out, generating open shots for other players. Add Klay to the mix, and no defender is probably within 6-7 feet of Wiggins on any given play.

I’m sure playing with Curry makes things easier. Doesn’t take away from how well he is playing in the defensive end guarding the opposing teams best wings every night.

[tbdog]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/derozan-stats-last-14-games

[tbdog]

What a clinic he just put on the Spurs.

[Atl Spur]

What a clinic he just put on the Spurs.

Boy did he! We’ll get the last laugh though:) We need a big Sf & Pf…..I trust Patfo recognizes this.

[lefty]

Shat on the Spurs

[slick'81]

Trade looking worse and worse by the hour. Trading an mvp candidate for amineww,thad and a protected pick in like 6 years:lol

[NASpurs]

Trade looking worse and worse by the hour. Trading an mvp candidate for amineww,thad and a protected pick in like 6 years:lol

Fuck that, I'm glad that gang banger is gone.

[Truckules]

Trade looking worse and worse by the hour. Trading an mvp candidate for amineww,thad and a protected pick in like 6 years:lol

The alternative was losing him for nothing. They basically got back two first round picks for a guy who was going to leave anyways.

[Mr. Body]

Trade looking worse and worse by the hour. Trading an mvp candidate for amineww,thad and a protected pick in like 6 years:lol

He was leaving anyway, dipshit.

[John B]

The alternative was losing him for nothing. They basically got back two first round picks for a guy who was going to leave anyways.

Or they could’ve signed him back. But it’s clearly the PATFO was moving forward with the rebuild. Also I doubt DJM would be having an AS season sharing the facilitator responsibilities with Demar, likewise scoring, the same reason I think the rationale on moving Derrick, finally defining the PG role, and likewise giving Derrick the opportunity for Derrick to thrive as a facilitator elsewhere.

I’m happy for Demar and I really think he’s deserving for the MVP consideration, but rebuilding is the way to go.

[KingKev]

Or they could’ve signed him back. But it’s clearly the PATFO was moving forward with the rebuild. Also I doubt DJM would be having an AS season sharing the facilitator responsibilities with Demar, likewise scoring, the same reason I think the rationale on moving Derrick, finally defining the PG role, and likewise giving Derrick the opportunity for Derrick to thrive as a facilitator elsewhere.

I’m happy for Demar and I really think he’s deserving for the MVP consideration, but rebuilding is the way to go.

Didn’t sound like he had any interest coming back. We would have had to give him absolute max money.

[rjv]

if we had kept demar we would have been a playoff team for the next few seasons but no hope of getting to the finals. we would also have very little cap space and much little to no draft capital. on top of that, younger players would have been relegated to garbage time minutes as a result and DJ would not have made the climb to being the alpha of this team. the move still makes sense and we at least got something for him. i'm happy for demar but i will really judge him by how he performs in the playoffs as that where demar's greatness will ultimately be judged.

[superbigtime]

I think DD is alot better than people give credit for. He seemed well liked by his teammates. And I think he got better from being in SA. Not surprised at all that he is excelling.

[exstatic]

Trade looking worse and worse by the hour. Trading an mvp candidate for amineww,thad and a protected pick in like 6 years:lol

Edgelords gonna edge…

[exstatic]

if we had kept demar we would have been a playoff team for the next few seasons but no hope of getting to the finals. we would also have very little cap space and much little to no draft capital. on top of that, younger players would have been relegated to garbage time minutes as a result and DJ would not have made the climb to being the alpha of this team. the move still makes sense and we at least got something for him. i'm happy for demar but i will really judge him by how he performs in the playoffs as that where demar's greatness will ultimately be judged.

Why do you think we’d be a playoff team? We haven’t for the last two years with him on the roster? Dejounte doesn't make the leap in stats if DD is still dominating the ball.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm happy the Spurs moved on and happy that DeRozan found a home where he's thriving, but the MVP chatter is nothing more than public relations. The guy's having a nice year but no serious basketball person thinks for a moment that he's in the Jokic/Giannis/Steph/Embiid stratosphere.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why are Spurs fans still discussing this? Even if DeRozan was an MVP type of player, the roster does not fit him. To maximize DeRozan you need to play him with 4 3-point shooters and good perimeter defenders. Poeltl is not a 3-point shooter. DJ and White aren't exactly snipers. Keldon and McDermott are, but can't guard a chair. This was better for both sides. It was a good trade. Now on to the draft

[BatManu20]

Yea DeMar likely wouldn’t be having the same type of season here, and Dejounte certainly wouldn’t be having the breakout season he is. It was time to move forward with the rebuild. Wish DeMar all the best. He’s a good dude and a good player, and I appreciate his attitude during his time here in SA. But it’s time to move on. Onward and upward.

[Atl Spur]

SMH….. Once you break up, you’re broke up. :)

[daslicer]

Why are Spurs fans still discussing this? Even if DeRozan was an MVP type of player, the roster does not fit him. To maximize DeRozan you need to play him with 4 3-point shooters and good perimeter defenders. Poeltl is not a 3-point shooter. DJ and White aren't exactly snipers. Keldon and McDermott are, but can't guard a chair. This was better for both sides. It was a good trade. Now on to the draft

Agreed. Some Spur fans are salty that he is playing better with the Bulls than he did with the Spurs but that's not Derozan's fault. The bulls built a team around him like you said that maximizes his game while the Spurs never did that and expected him to carry a crappy roster, they built like he was prime Lebron or Duncan. If Spur fans want to be upset then they should be upset at Pop, RC. Wright for not making trades and moves to improve the roster while Derozan was here.

[rjv]

Why do you think we’d be a playoff team? We haven’t for the last two years with him on the roster? Dejounte doesn't make the leap in stats if DD is still dominating the ball.

neither of us really knows for sure whether we'd be a playoff team or not. if derozan had stayed, the makeup of this team would be completely different as the off-season moves (perhaps even drafting primo) would not have been the same. so arguing that we would or wouldn't have made the playoffs is liking saying "if we hadn't committed that technical in the 3rd quarter, we would have won the game"'; there's no way to know how the absence of one event would have altered the events that took place afterwards. but to make amends, i'll restate my original position as "if we had kept demar we may or may have been a playoff team for the next few seasons..."

[spurs1990]

Derozan getting some national love on undisputed.

They was saying Gregg held him down from these gawdy numbers in San Antonio.
https://youtu.be/puNrvYcy6aA

[Mr. Body]

Derozan getting some national love on undisputed.

They was saying Gregg held him down from these gawdy numbers in San Antonio.
https://youtu.be/puNrvYcy6aA

How can you watch that shit? Might as well shoot yourself in the head.

[mo7888]

How can you watch that shit? Might as well shoot yourself in the head.

:bobo

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They was saying Gregg held him down from these gawdy numbers in San Antonio.



It was more like the opposite. Opponents keyed on Demar here in San Antonio because he was lacking any help and was being asked to account for too much of the offense. Our young guys are stepping up now, but our 4-13 start was largely due to no one other than Demar knowing what to do with the ball.

[SpursBig3s]

Why are Spurs fans still discussing this? Even if DeRozan was an MVP type of player, the roster does not fit him. To maximize DeRozan you need to play him with 4 3-point shooters and good perimeter defenders. Poeltl is not a 3-point shooter. DJ and White aren't exactly snipers. Keldon and McDermott are, but can't guard a chair. This was better for both sides. It was a good trade. Now on to the draft


This x1000. We don't have the personnel around Demar to maximize his skillset. Chicago has a ton more talent than we do in their SL. Lavine and Vuc can stretch the floor and open up the lane for Demar. Lonzo can shoot, pass, and defend. Our roster construction around Demar was extremely flawed, and DJ would never have blossomed like he has this year alongside Demar.

Demar falls victim to being a really good player, but not good enough to be in the elite stratosphere. Tier 2/3 star. No hard feelings. The guy didn't want to be in SA long term, but at least he never quit on the team and was reliable. I root for the guy

[JeffDuncan]

DDR did his job with the Spurs. He cranked out 20+ point games almost like clockwork. His defense could be criticized, but he never claimed to be any great defender. He never misrepresented himself.

But those Spurs teams - starting Bryn Forbes?? Starting Trey Lyles?? It was absurd.

[daslicer]

bweWbzf_G6A

[slick'81]

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lol hawks

[John B]

bweWbzf_G6A

Dang. Demar is becoming new NBA darling. He could very well be the MVP this year

[TimDunkem]

DDR did his job with the Spurs. He cranked out 20+ point games almost like clockwork. His defense could be criticized, but he never claimed to be any great defender. He never misrepresented himself.

But those Spurs teams - starting Bryn Forbes?? Starting Trey Lyles?? It was absurd.
With Dante Cunningham and Quincy Poindexter coming off the bench...lol Fucking gross.

[TDomination]

DDR is unconscious right now. He's shooting out of his mind.

Reminds me of the run Dirk had between 06-08 where every ridiculous fadeaway he threw up went in.

[BatManu20]

1497052700084621316

[emanueldavidginobili]

1497052896638083078
Ridiculous FG% during this run.

[Leetonidas]

Waiting for the inevitable playoff meltdown tbh

[John B]

Waiting for the inevitable playoff meltdown tbh

Did he steal your boyfriend or something? I don’t understand the hate on Demar. He came to SA, not on his own accord but was traded by the only NBA team he knew, was a soldier, never complained and just did what he was asked and helped our young guys. Idk the specifics, but he got us picks back getting traded instead of just walking. I mean I don’t understand how people wish him bad wanting him to fail

[daslicer]

Did he steal your boyfriend or something? I don’t understand the hate on Demar. He came to SA, not on his own accord but was traded by the only NBA team he knew, was a soldier, never complained and just did what he was asked and helped our young guys. Idk the specifics, but he got us picks back getting traded instead of just walking. I mean I don’t understand how people wish him bad wanting him to fail

Agreed. This is not a Kawhi situation where he screwed over the Spurs. I was rooting for Kawhi fail in Toronto after what he did with the Spurs because I felt he didn't deserve to win a title after sinking the Spurs. This situation is different since Demar gave it his all in SA until the end. If he wins a title in Chicago, I would be happy for him. If people are upset about him playing at a high level with the bulls vs the Spurs then they should go after Pop and RC for surrounding him with a garbage roster.

[Leetonidas]

Did he steal your boyfriend or something? I don’t understand the hate on Demar. He came to SA, not on his own accord but was traded by the only NBA team he knew, was a soldier, never complained and just did what he was asked and helped our young guys. Idk the specifics, but he got us picks back getting traded instead of just walking. I mean I don’t understand how people wish him bad wanting him to fail

Who said I hate demar? Rofl. Are YOU his girlfriend? :lol

I'm just not enamored with his RS performances. He's always been a great RS performer and a known playoff choker. Stating facts has nothing to do with being a hater. Lol getting offended for demar. Also lol at you insinuating demar is gay while getting butthurt for him:lmao

[spurs1990]

Who said I hate demar? Rofl. Are YOU his girlfriend? :lol

I'm just not enamored with his RS performances. He's always been a great RS performer and a known playoff choker. Stating facts has nothing to do with being a hater. Lol getting offended for demar. Also lol at you insinuating demar is gay while getting butthurt for him:lmao

dang man his diehard fans are getting a kick out of all of this. But seriously DeRozan is putting up monster stats. I'm too lazy and uninterested in the particulars of why. I would imagine have Vuceic, Lavine, Ball, and and Caruso as running mates takes off a lot of attention for him offensively. He needs to do this in May. Last time he had a deep playoff run Toronto benched him the entire 4th quarter of a decisive game.

IRregardless to all of that, we all should be rooting for his team unequivocally if he ends up playing LA in the finals.

[BatManu20]

Skip :lol

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[lefty]

Would average 50 ppg if he played in the 90s tbh….

[Mr. Body]

Would average 50 ppg if he played in the 90s tbh….

Lol @ David's Stern "no one gets to double team Jordan" rules.

[KingKev]

dang man his diehard fans are getting a kick out of all of this. But seriously DeRozan is putting up monster stats. I'm too lazy and uninterested in the particulars of why. I would imagine have Vuceic, Lavine, Ball, and and Caruso as running mates takes off a lot of attention for him offensively. He needs to do this in May. Last time he had a deep playoff run Toronto benched him the entire 4th quarter of a decisive game.

IRregardless to all of that, we all should be rooting for his team unequivocally if he ends up playing LA in the finals.

He’s been playing very well in the absence of Lonzo, Caruso and Lavine.

[KingKev]

Skip :lol

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I don’t find skip very intuitive but the Spurs are his team and Pop and this team have been been lousy for years now. Maybe just Pop but at some point you have to consider he isn’t this godlike fogure some make him out to be. Even with Tim, Tony and Manu Pop often out coached himself.

[exstatic]

I don’t find skip very intuitive but the Spurs are his team and Pop and this team have been been lousy for years now. Maybe just Pop but at some point you have to consider he isn’t this godlike fogure some make him out to be. Even with Tim, Tony and Manu Pop often out coached himself.

Demars USG% last year was 26. His USG% this year is 32. Call it the Russell Westbrook effect. More shots make a player look better to casuals.

[John B]

Skip :lol

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Now this is just dumb

[KingKev]

Skip :lol

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I don’t find skip very intuitive but the Spurs are his team and Pop and this team have been been lousy for years now. Maybe just Pop but at some point you have to consider he isn’t this godlike fogure some make him out to be. Even with Tim, Tony and Manu Pop often out coached himself.

[lefty]

Lol @ David's Stern "no one gets to double team Jordan" rules.

true true

[dg7md]

Go figure the dude is lights out once he leaves San Antonio. :lol

Wish him the best but I won't lie seeing him succeed like this just reminds me how much we've been floundering and what could have been. I'm glad we got some picks this year but damn.

[Ice009]

Lol @ David's Stern "no one gets to double team Jordan" rules.

What do you mean by this? Were teams not able to double Jordan or other guards due to certain rules being in place back then?

[Maddog]

The Spurs are the ones who turned him into this player,
Now surrounded by a lot better talent he's doing great.
Should they have kept him? Nope

[Dejounte]

The only lesson DeMar should teach fans is that there’s room for players older than 30 years old on any team. Folks are obsessed with filling up the whole team with all youth and no vets or role players to keep things steady.

”25 year old DJ’s peak is almost here, pretty soon our window will be closed. We need to surround him with good players before it’s too late”

Yet here’s 32 year old DeMar going off and yall are heaping praise about him.

[Dverde]

DDR also showing how dumb the Lakers FO and LeBron are at team building.

[Chinook]

DDR also showing how dumb the Lakers FO and LeBron are at team building.

Yes, but also no. It's true that DMDR would've been a better player, but it would have been hard for the Lakers to give the Spurs good compensation for him without tampering. They would have had to convincingly draft someone the Spurs wanted with their pick without SA having input on who that was, or else they would have had to give up their 2027 pick unprotected. I did and still do like Kuzma a decent amount, so him and Harrell with that pick would have been a more useful return at least. Don't know if the Spurs would have wanted Zach Collins if they had done that trade.

Undoubtedly, though, LAL messed up taking Westbrook. They literally could have traded for Wall and done better. They probably should have just not done anything.

[Chinook]

The only lesson DeMar should teach fans is that there’s room for players older than 30 years old on any team. Folks are obsessed with filling up the whole team with all youth and no vets or role players to keep things steady.

”25 year old DJ’s peak is almost here, pretty soon our window will be closed. We need to surround him with good players before it’s too late”

Yet here’s 32 year old DeMar going off and yall are heaping praise about him.

DeRozan is a great map for Murray in the sense that it shows players who can still rise in tier in their late 20s and even early 30s. Most superstars show early. By the end of their first contracts, they're already All-Star level. DeRozan had his jump in his fifth year, and Murray had it in his sixth. DJM is a tier or two short of where he needs to be in order to be the lead dog on a title team, but he might get there, and DeRozan shows us that he might even get there five years from now. Even if he hits a relative plateau soon, he might break through later.

About building around him: DeRozan shows more to me that the Spurs might be able to find an older complimentary piece for Murray than we talk about most of the time. We talk about Collins, Turner, Lavine and the like as guys who are young building pieces. It's probably more efficient or realistic to look at an older player like DeRozan or Paul. I don't know who that player would be right now, but it's an option.

Anyway, the urgency to strike while the Murray iron is hot is his contract, not his age. The Spurs don't have a window right now to close, but it's probably easier to open one up before DJM makes $30 Million or more a year. This is like a Curry in 2016 situation.

[John B]

Just playing the devil’s advocate. But would it be funny if Demar ring immediately after leaving the Spurs like Kawhi did? It’s not impossible with no clear favorite and Demar playing the way he is. Wow the narrative. Should I be rooting for Demar to win it all? :lol

[Dverde]

Just playing the devil’s advocate. But would it be funny if Demar ring immediately after leaving the Spurs like Kawhi did? It’s not impossible with no clear favorite and Demar playing the way he is. Wow the narrative. Should I be rooting for Demar to win it all? :lol

Demar is not good in the playoffs and Bulls fan will figure this out soon. Spurs helped him overcome some of those demons, but he’ll struggle like always. He’ll still get his points but he won’t be score 30 points a game. I wish Demar luck, but this Bulls team ain’t winning shit.

[John B]

Demar is not good in the playoffs and Bulls fan will figure this out soon. Spurs helped him overcome some of those demons, but he’ll struggle like always. He’ll still get his points but he won’t be score 30 points a game. I wish Demar luck, but this Bulls team ain’t winning shit.

The narrative is that Demar is now a better player after learning from Pop, at least that’s what he says. He’s not just a scoring machine, but now able to pick his opponent and knowing when to unleash it. Demar has been a clutch shooter lately and playing great without Lavine, Carusso, Ball and Vucevic at times. I like the synergy of the Bulls and they are peaking at the right time. If Demar rung immediately after the Spurs, again the same as Kawhi did, wow Spurs could be a laughingstock, depending how pundits would put it, like Skip is now questioning the Spurs. Again, I’m just playing the devil’s advocate here.

[Dverde]

The narrative is that Demar is now a better player after learning from Pop, at least that’s what he says. He’s not just a scoring machine, but now able to pick his opponent and knowing when to unleash it. Demar has been a clutch shooter lately and playing great without Lavine, Carusso, Ball and Vucevic at times. I like the synergy of the Bulls and they are peaking at the right time. If Demar rung immediately after the Spurs, again the same as Kawhi did, wow Spurs could be a laughingstock, depending how pundits would put it, like Skip is now questioning the Spurs. Again, I’m just playing the devil’s advocate here.

Demar doing well helps the Spurs front office look better on the trade. OKC still gets slammed for trading Harden for Kevin Martin.

[CGD]

Demar doing well helps the Spurs front office look better on the trade. OKC still gets slammed for trading Harden for Kevin Martin.

As they should

[Fusternino]

Young is absolutely balling out for the Raptors.

[exstatic]

Young is absolutely balling out for the Raptors.

He’s 34, and dropping 8/4, and shooting a lower FG% there than he did while dropping 6/4 for us. Can we stop with the drama?

[John B]

Young is absolutely balling out for the Raptors.

Might deserve a separate thread :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Skip :lol

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The Bulls have surrounded Demar with more talent. He had too much on his shoulders here. With the way our young group is maturing, though, I think a Demar-like star could land here and be more impactful than he was.

[couchman]

Demar was great for us and he is not significantly different this year in Chicago.
The main change is that his usage rate is up from 26% last year to 31% this year while maintaining his efficiency.
That is not surprising to me.

For the Spurs he was a really good scorer, above average as a finisher, he learned how to be an assist man with us, and his defense was poor.
I see the same guy on the Bulls except he is putting up one more 3pointer per game, has a much better supporting cast, and a higher usage rate.

The biggest problem on the Spurs was the lack of 3 point shooting. You can't start DDR, DJM, White, and Poeltl and compete in a league that averages 35 3pt attempts a game.
We either committed to an aging DDR and got rid of some of those other starters to put 3 pt shooting around him or we moved DDR and committed to the young guys.
I think we made the right move.

I'm really happy to see DDR doing well. He was my favorite Spur after Manu retired.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DDR also showing how dumb the Lakers FO and LeBron are at team building.

This is the real take away from the offseason. They didn't want to sign-and-trade because it would hard cap them. :lmao Instead they get Westbrook and may miss the playoffs.

[Elementis]

This is the real take away from the offseason. They didn't want to sign-and-trade because it would hard cap them. :lmao Instead they get Westbrook and may miss the playoffs.

and even worse: they got Westbrook!

[John B]

This is the real take away from the offseason. They didn't want to sign-and-trade because it would hard cap them. :lmao Instead they get Westbrook and may miss the playoffs.

And sabotaged Lebron’s remaining years :lmao

[The Truth #6]

And sabotaged Lebron’s remaining years :lmao

Self sabotage, really. Lebron is the one pushing it, obviously. Karma for all his bullshit playing GM.

[John B]

Self sabotage, really. Lebron is the one pushing it, obviously. Karma for all his bullshit playing GM.

And Melo remaining ring-less :lmao

[TDomination]

Self sabotage, really. Lebron is the one pushing it, obviously. Karma for all his bullshit playing GM.

yup this is definitely a Lebron doing. reap what you sow

this is a hilarious quote by their coach.

Los Angeles Lakers coach Frank Vogel says the team still has a chance to turn its disappointing season around if Anthony Davis returns by the playoffs.
"If [Anthony Davis] is able to come back and we catch the right matchup or catch a team at the right time and if we're able to catch fire at the right time, we're going to have a chance," Vogel told reporters (https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1499162590718554112) Wednesday.

Thats very good coach. And if the Spurs are able to catch fire and shoot 100% from 3pter here on out, we'll have a chance to make the playoffs too!

[Dverde]

yup this is definitely a Lebron doing. reap what you sow

this is a hilarious quote by their coach.

Los Angeles Lakers coach Frank Vogel says the team still has a chance to turn its disappointing season around if Anthony Davis returns by the playoffs.
"If [Anthony Davis] is able to come back and we catch the right matchup or catch a team at the right time and if we're able to catch fire at the right time, we're going to have a chance," Vogel told reporters (https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1499162590718554112) Wednesday.

Thats very good coach. And if the Spurs are able to catch fire and shoot 100% from 3pter here on out, we'll have a chance to make the playoffs too!

Its more pathetic considering they have 4 of the 75 best NBA players on the same roster.

[tbdog]

AD has always been overrated and always been a possible Jeanie in a bottle type of player, where his peak would be very short, perhaps one playoff run short.

[mystargtr34]

Demar was great for us and he is not significantly different this year in Chicago.
The main change is that his usage rate is up from 26% last year to 31% this year while maintaining his efficiency.
That is not surprising to me.

For the Spurs he was a really good scorer, above average as a finisher, he learned how to be an assist man with us, and his defense was poor.
I see the same guy on the Bulls except he is putting up one more 3pointer per game, has a much better supporting cast, and a higher usage rate.

The biggest problem on the Spurs was the lack of 3 point shooting. You can't start DDR, DJM, White, and Poeltl and compete in a league that averages 35 3pt attempts a game.
We either committed to an aging DDR and got rid of some of those other starters to put 3 pt shooting around him or we moved DDR and committed to the young guys.
I think we made the right move.

I'm really happy to see DDR doing well. He was my favorite Spur after Manu retired.

Well said. The Spurs simply failed to put a good enough supporting cast around Derozan to mask his deficiencies (defense and shooting on the wings) and highlight his strengths (shooting and a secondary creator who can also space the floor shoot ala Zach Lavine instead of DJM and Derrick). Derrick White falling off a cliff after his breakout 2018-2019 season didn’t help either, but maybe he was only that good cause DJM was out. They seemed to never mesh together.

[mystargtr34]

Also Derozan flat out choked at the end of the game last night. He also choked a lot with the Raptors in the playoffs. And with the Spurs. I don’t think that’s ever changing.

[Ice009]

Also Derozan flat out choked at the end of the game last night. He also choked a lot with the Raptors in the playoffs. And with the Spurs. I don’t think that’s ever changing.

It's coming up towards the playoffs which is the time where you separate the pretenders from the contenders. I recall numerous players/PFs having some big games against TD early on each season Oct/Nov/Dec where he was just warming up a lot of the time those first couple of months, and they'd act like they were the shit after those performances, but then later in the season Mar/Apr/May/Jun, TD would waste all these guys when the pressure was higher and the stakes and games got bigger. Point of this is, I've been waiting for this time of year to see how Demar does. I don't put much stock into earlier in the season as I do from this point of the season onward.

[timtonymanu]

AD has always been overrated and always been a possible Jeanie in a bottle type of player, where his peak would be very short, perhaps one playoff run short.

He is a fragile, mental midget of a player that only rang because Lebron held his hand in the bubble. Cheapest way of winning a championship ring.

[CGD]

AD has always been overrated and always been a possible Jeanie in a bottle type of player, where his peak would be very short, perhaps one playoff run short.

I agree. That string of much lauded Kentucky bigs (him, cousins, KAT) have really left a lot to be desired.

[TD 21]

He is a fragile, mental midget of a player that only rang because Lebron held his hand in the bubble. Cheapest way of winning a championship ring.

:lmao You obviously didn't watch, because Davis was the best player in the bubble, should have won Finals MVP and was at least as good as the inexplicably much more praised Scumbag the year prior and unlike him, he didn't need to rest 95 games the previous 2 seasons or play on the most complete team in the league.



I agree. That string of much lauded Kentucky bigs (him, cousins, KAT) have really left a lot to be desired.

:lmao At blaming them for being on mostly bad teams.

Davis was a top 5 player, Cousins was a top 15 player and Towns is a top 15 player.

[CGD]

:lmao You obviously didn't watch, because Davis was the best player in the bubble, should have won Finals MVP and was at least as good as the inexplicably much more praised Scumbag the year prior and unlike him, he didn't need to rest 95 games the previous 2 seasons or play on the most complete team in the league.




:lmao At blaming them for being on mostly bad teams.

Davis was a top 5 player, Cousins was a top 15 player and Towns is a top 15 player.

^ I mean that’s kinda the point. Their teams remained largely bad their whole stint there. That’s on them as much (if not more) than the franchise. Life is so much easier once you ride LBJ.

They’re obviously good players, but media comparing Davis to Duncan and even KG is silly. KAT is simply a Beta, and Cousins, damn, what a waste. Doesn’t help that Davis is ALWAYS hurt for key stretches every damn year.

[timtonymanu]

:lmao You obviously didn't watch, because Davis was the best player in the bubble, should have won Finals MVP and was at least as good as the inexplicably much more praised Scumbag the year prior and unlike him, he didn't need to rest 95 games the previous 2 seasons or play on the most complete team in the league.




:lmao At blaming them for being on mostly bad teams.

Davis was a top 5 player, Cousins was a top 15 player and Towns is a top 15 player.

We’re not turning this into a “he’s better than Scumbag” debate again. We know you hate Nephew. I only call Davis overrated because of the stupid comparisons to Duncan.

[mystargtr34]

DeMar on choke watch again against the Bucks. Two straight terrible decisions lead to missed shots, one of which the Bucks scored off on a fast break the other way.

[XDT76]

:lmao You obviously didn't watch, because Davis was the best player in the bubble, should have won Finals MVP and was at least as good as the inexplicably much more praised Scumbag the year prior and unlike him, he didn't need to rest 95 games the previous 2 seasons or play on the most complete team in the league.




:lmao At blaming them for being on mostly bad teams.

Davis was a top 5 player, Cousins was a top 15 player and Towns is a top 15 player.

A Davis and Cousins did not amount much when they are on the same team. That team also consist of Holiday.

[TD 21]

^ I mean that’s kinda the point. Their teams remained largely bad their whole stint there. That’s on them as much (if not more) than the franchise. Life is so much easier once you ride LBJ.

They’re obviously good players, but media comparing Davis to Duncan and even KG is silly. KAT is simply a Beta, and Cousins, damn, what a waste. Doesn’t help that Davis is ALWAYS hurt for key stretches every damn year.

That's nonsense.

Cousins never had a decent Kings team around him, though his volatility didn't exactly make him a galvanizing force.

The only two times Davis had a decent/healthy Pelicans teams around him, in '15 and '18, they made the playoffs and in the latter swept what was thought to be an equal opponent (Trail Blazers).

The only two times Towns has had the same with the Timberwolves, in '18 and '22, they made the playoffs/play-in.

Remember, Garnett, Irving, Davis, etc. weren't "winners" until they got a credible team around them and won.



We’re not turning this into a “he’s better than Scumbag” debate again. We know you hate Nephew. I only call Davis overrated because of the stupid comparisons to Duncan.

And I know how much a large portion of this fan base has Stockholm syndrome with Scumbag and can't be objective about anything Lakers. Want to downplay James, complain about handpicked, supposedly stacked rosters. Want to downplay Davis, suddenly James is above reproach.

Bottom line is Davis was the best player in the '20 playoffs and won a championship with a non championship roster. I can only imagine the praise certain contemporaries would have received for doing the same.



A Davis and Cousins did not amount much when they are on the same team. That team also consist of Holiday.

Results without context.

Cousins played 65 games as a Pelican across two seasons, '17-18. He arrived at the '17 deadline and they were too far back to make the playoffs. Then they made it with him suffering a season ending injury in '18, replacing him with Mirotic.

[R. DeMurre]

Gotta admit, the Westbrook debacle is very satisfying to watch as an armchair GM. I think lots of us thought "why add a guy who can't shoot, doesn't get back on D, and needs the ball in his hands to put up stats that are getting emptier and emptier every year?" And we were right.

[John B]

The NBA officially announced that DeMar DeRozan received Second Team honors tonight after his 5th All-Star-worthy campaign.

First Team: Devin Booker, Jayson Tatum Luka Doncic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokic

Second Team: Ja Morant, Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, DeMar DeRozan, Joel Embiid

Third Team: Chris Paul, Trae Young, LeBron James, Pascal Siakam, Karl-Anthony Towns

DeRozan finished the year as the NBA’s 2nd-leading scorer in total points behind only Third Team member Trae Young. He averaged a career-high 27.9 points per game to go along with 5.2 rebounds and 4.9 assists. In his first season with the organization – where he appeared in the second-most games (76) behind only rookie Ayo Dosunmu (77) – DeRozan helped thrust the Bulls back into the playoffs for the first time since the 2016-17 campaign. The team’s 46 wins also marked the most since the 2014-15 season.

[cd98]

Good for DeMar. He's a good guy and really underappreciated given his talent. He may not be a superstar, but he isn't the scrub that the NBA has tried to make him.

[exstatic]

Good for DeMar. He's a good guy and really underappreciated given his talent. He may not be a superstar, but he isn't the scrub that the NBA has tried to make him.

He's not a scrub. He's also not a thoroughbred. He's a plow horse, and gets the job done most of the time.

[Texas_Ranger]

he should also be in the all time playoff choking team. One of the all time greats when it comes to that.

[John B]

Demar played at the wrong era. Had Demar played in the 90’s, he could be an playing MVP, tbh

[The Truth #6]

Cool dude. 2nd team seems a little high, but definitely had a great season. If he's on your team you have to surround him with 3 and D at probably every position, and even then you probably won't make it out of the second round most years. But not bitter at him. It's not like he wanted to come to SA, but didn't disgrace himself like Nephew. Having said that, the DDR Era was probably the worse era in Spurs history outside the Walter Berry years.

[John B]

https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-demar-derozan-drops-heartbreaking-truth-bomb-on-san-antonio-stint/?utm_source=igstory&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=social#l8oj27mkq89d5dgwh4

During DeRozan’s appearance on JJ Redick’s podcast, TheOldMan&TheThree, the 33-year old explosive scoring guard revealed that he felt as if he was fading into obscurity during his three seasons in San Antonio, which, perhaps, is why he seemed determined (https://clutchpoints.com/bulls-news-demar-derozan-is-out-for-blood-with-vendetta-against-certain-teams/) to put himself back on the radar of the NBA’s elites with such an outstanding season.

“That took a toll, especially for something… every single year [with the Raptors], going to the conference finals, semifinals, competing, 50-plus (wins)… and all of a sudden, you don’t exist,” DeRozan added (https://youtu.be/y0dvYGaBNxc?t=1741). “It was like, ‘Damn, what’s this? Hey, I’m here.’ That’s what I felt like. Granted, I had great games. I developed in a lot of great ways as a basketball player. But in the same token, I just felt non-existent, you know, for those years. It wasn’t like we was on TV, we weren’t competing. There was so much to it that just was a struggle.”
:lmao

[TimD]

There’s a lot of truth to that tbh

[Ice009]

Look, Demar is a good guy and I didn't want to trash him, but if he's going to talk like that, well, that's too bad for him. Instead of choking in game 7 against the Nuggets, or even some of the earlier games that series, if you actually bothered to show up, people would have noticed. We could have won that series as that Spurs team was decent that year, but it's on you for doing what you always do in the playoffs. Again, last season he was great in the regular season, but pretty average in the playoffs. It's all on him. Maybe people would notice more if he showed up on the bigger stage. Should of traded your ass a lot earlier. Fact is, Pop turned you into a better player.

[rjv]

demar didn't say anything that was out of line or disrespectful. he praised pop and conceded that he learned a lot while playing under him. all he said was that he felt irrelevant playing in SA because the spurs weren't having any great success, which is absolutely true. he didn't bash the city or the market in the process. just his circumstances.

[Ariel]

All I care about is, with DDR likely gone, Lonzo Ball's continued injuries (out for the season again), Vucevic's decline, and Lavine's injury history and declining athleticism, that first is looking better and better. It's top 10 protected that year and top 8 protected the following 2 years, there's a very real chance it ends up a lottery pick.

[MultiTroll]

It wasn’t like we was on TV, we weren’t competing..”

Translation please.

[CGD]

So far that deal has yielded Malaki Branham.

What ever came of the 2022 CHI 2nd round pick that was included in the deal? Lost track.

[KingKev]

So far that deal has yielded Malaki Branham.

What ever came of the 2022 CHI 2nd round pick that was included in the deal? Lost track.

It is 2025 same year as the protected FRP. Too bad that first has protection. Bulls will probably back to the drawing board by then.

[Ariel]

So far that deal has yielded Malaki Branham.

What ever came of the 2022 CHI 2nd round pick that was included in the deal? Lost track.
It was a few deals that got us Branham, of which the DDR deal was the centerpiece:

Got Detroit's 2022 1st by taking in Hutchinson
Traded DDR for Thaddeus Young + Al Farouq Aminu + Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8) + Lakers 2022 2nd + Chicago's 2025 2nd
Traded Thaddeus Young + Eubanks + Detroit's 2022 2nd for Toronto's 2022 1st + Goran Dragic

Then we:

Drafted Branham using Toronto's 1st (#20)
Traded Lakers' 2022 2nd for Lakers' 2024 2nd (by drafting Kennedy Chandler and trading his rights to Memphis)

So essentially what we did is:

COST: S&T DDR (who was gone anyway) to Chicago and took in the expiring contracts of Hutchinson, Aminu, Young (half a season) & Dragic (half a season)
GAIN: Got Branham (Toronto's 2022 1st) + Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8) + Lakers' 2024 2nd + Chicago's 2025 2nd


This trade was good then and turned out great. It's mind boggling to me how some people were griping about it back then (check the first few pages of this thread).

[Ariel]

It is 2025 same year as the protected FRP. Too bad that first has protection. Bulls will probably back to the drawing board by then.
It's top 10 protected in 2025, and top 8 protected the following 2 seasons. They have to suck REALLY bad to fall within those ranges all three years... I'll take my chances they make it out at least once.

[DPG21920]

Request: can someone bump that original Kawhi for DeRozan deal thread? Maybe I’m dumb but i cant get search to work

[Mugen]

I don't think that'll be an issue when it's the Las Vegas Spurs in a few years tbh :lol

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

demar didn't say anything that was out of line or disrespectful. he praised pop and conceded that he learned a lot while playing under him. all he said was that he felt irrelevant playing in SA because the spurs weren't having any great success, which is absolutely true. he didn't bash the city or the market in the process. just his circumstances.

Bingo!

[KingKev]

It was a few deals that got us Branham, of which the DDR deal was the centerpiece:

Got Detroit's 2022 1st by taking in Hutchinson
Traded DDR for Thaddeus Young + Al Farouq Aminu + Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8) + Lakers 2022 2nd + Chicago's 2025 2nd
Traded Thaddeus Young + Eubanks + Detroit's 2022 2nd for Toronto's 2022 1st + Goran Dragic

Then we:

Drafted Branham using Toronto's 1st (#20)
Traded Lakers' 2022 2nd for Lakers' 2024 2nd (by drafting Kennedy Chandler and trading his rights to Memphis)

So essentially what we did is:

COST: S&T DDR (who was gone anyway) to Chicago and took in the expiring contracts of Hutchinson, Aminu, Young (half a season) & Dragic (half a season)
GAIN: Got Branham (Toronto's 2022 1st) + Chicago's 2025 1st (protected 10/8/8) + Lakers' 2024 2nd + Chicago's 2025 2nd


This trade was good then and turned out great. It's mind boggling to me how some people were griping about it back then (check the first few pages of this thread).

I’ll simplify: we spent ~31mm in 2021-22 cap space for a 2022 FRP (Branham), 2025 Chi FRP, 2024 Lakers SRP and 2025 Chi SRP.

DDR could have walked to about 2-3 teams who actually had adequate capital or taken way less money so we didn’t exactly make lemonade out of lemons. He needed us to facilitate getting paid by a decent team.

That isn’t a great haul for 31mm in cap space and bird rights to a desirable, top 50 player who had limited options but we are probably about to get way less for 30mm in 2022-23 cap space so sometimes that’s just what the market dictates.

[ismael-robert]

What he said was he's not over himself and needs attention to be happy

[Ariel]

I’ll simplify: we spent ~31mm in 2021-22 cap space for a 2022 FRP (Branham), 2025 Chi FRP, 2024 Lakers SRP and 2025 Chi SRP.

DDR could have walked to about 2-3 teams who actually had adequate capital or taken way less money so we didn’t exactly make lemonade out of lemons. He needed us to facilitate getting paid by a decent team.

That isn’t a great haul for 31mm in cap space and bird rights to a desirable, top 50 player who had limited options but we are probably about to get way less for 30mm in 2022-23 cap space so sometimes that’s just what the market dictates.
I think it's probably closer to 30M, but that's not such a big difference. The key is, it was only one year's worth of salary we took back, and with that in mind, I think that was a pretty sweet return. Indeed we're unlikely to match that this year.
EDIT: your original post read 35M, which is why I said closer to 30M

[KingKev]

I think it's probably closer to 30M, but that's not such a big difference. The key is, it was only one year's worth of salary we took back, and with that in mind, I think that was a pretty sweet return. Indeed we're unlikely to match that this year.

It was an appropriate return but the reality is they likely could have and should have moved him for more way earlier.

All this goodwill we are earning for being friendly to players, agents etc is getting us nowhere. Nice guys finish last.

[Ariel]

It was an appropriate return but the reality is they likely could have and should have moved him for more way earlier.
Oh, I agree with that. Keeping DDR for 3 years wasn't a good idea, not so much because we could have gotten a better return for him earlier (which we likely could), but because it kept us in that mediocrity zone that set us back years. That was way worse.

[KingKev]

Oh, I agree with that. Keeping DDR for 3 years wasn't a good idea, not so much because we could have gotten a better return for him earlier (which we likely could), but because it kept us in that mediocrity zone that set us back years. That was way worse.

I’m not mad if this years cap space goes for considerably less. It was the right strategy/plan IMO juat may not materialize to much. PATFO are slowly starting to right the ship but we can only waste salary cap for so many years before you have to find a new strategy. If after 3-4 years you have no player worth a max slot you need to reassess.

[CGD]

I’ll simplify: we spent ~31mm in 2021-22 cap space for a 2022 FRP (Branham), 2025 Chi FRP, 2024 Lakers SRP and 2025 Chi SRP.

DDR could have walked to about 2-3 teams who actually had adequate capital or taken way less money so we didn’t exactly make lemonade out of lemons. He needed us to facilitate getting paid by a decent team.

That isn’t a great haul for 31mm in cap space and bird rights to a desirable, top 50 player who had limited options but we are probably about to get way less for 30mm in 2022-23 cap space so sometimes that’s just what the market dictates.

I see what you mean, but I think that 31m is skewed some by the Aminu contract, which was needed for matching. I’ve always seen the LAL 2022 SRP as the return for taking on that part of the salary, which turned out to by the 38th pick (an overpay but not bad). The Hutch for the DET pick was a damn good deal.

[exstatic]

So far that deal has yielded Malaki Branham.

What ever came of the 2022 CHI 2nd round pick that was included in the deal? Lost track.

And Poeltl, and Keldon.

The SRP is in 2025, just like the FRP.

[exstatic]

It is 2025 same year as the protected FRP. Too bad that first has protection. Bulls will probably back to the drawing board by then.

Nah, they just re-signed both DDR and Levine to big long contracts. We’ll get the FRP and SRP in 2025, first try.

[Ariel]

Nah, they just re-signed both DDR and Levine to big long contracts. We’ll get the FRP and SRP in 2025, first try.
DDR signed for 3 years, which end in 2024, one year before the first opportunity to get that pick. He can extend, sure, but he'll be 36 by then. Lavine will be 30... they're one injury away from really struggling.

[KingKev]

Nah, they just re-signed both DDR and Levine to big long contracts. We’ll get the FRP and SRP in 2025, first try.

That pick will def convey but I’m arguing the Bulls will be shit and it would be nice if it conveyed with limited protection.

[CGD]

DDR signed for 3 years, which end in 2024, one year before the first opportunity to get that pick. He can extend, sure, but he'll be 36 by then. Lavine will be 30... they're one injury away from really struggling.

Agree. That team is trending dow. They’re just praying Williams becomes an All-Star and they can recoup value for Vuc. Both unlikely. The Ball injury situation is sad, and I feel Lavigne will be one of then next “unhappy stars.”

Relying on DDR as the top dawg is simply not winning basketball, never has been.

[spurraider21]

Request: can someone bump that original Kawhi for DeRozan deal thread? Maybe I’m dumb but i cant get search to work
that one still hurts

[gilmor2002]

i dont understand. DDR joining Bulls wasn't a great leap forward compared to Spurs. He still got bumped out 1st round of playoffs.

[exstatic]

i dont understand. DDR joining Bulls wasn't a great leap forward compared to Spurs. He still got bumped out 1st round of playoffs.

Yes, but he got personal recognition, All Star and All NBA. For some players, that’s what it’s all about.

[exstatic]

That pick will def convey but I’m arguing the Bulls will be shit and it would be nice if it conveyed with limited protection.

10/8/8 is about middle of the road protection, better than total lottery, not as good as 1-4. I think the Spurs did pretty well for a S&T.

[Trainwreck2100]

https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-demar-derozan-drops-heartbreaking-truth-bomb-on-san-antonio-stint/?utm_source=igstory&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=social#l8oj27mkq89d5dgwh4

During DeRozan’s appearance on JJ Redick’s podcast, TheOldMan&TheThree, the 33-year old explosive scoring guard revealed that he felt as if he was fading into obscurity during his three seasons in San Antonio, which, perhaps, is why he seemed determined (https://clutchpoints.com/bulls-news-demar-derozan-is-out-for-blood-with-vendetta-against-certain-teams/) to put himself back on the radar of the NBA’s elites with such an outstanding season.

“That took a toll, especially for something… every single year [with the Raptors], going to the conference finals, semifinals, competing, 50-plus (wins)… and all of a sudden, you don’t exist,” DeRozan added (https://youtu.be/y0dvYGaBNxc?t=1741). “It was like, ‘Damn, what’s this? Hey, I’m here.’ That’s what I felt like. Granted, I had great games. I developed in a lot of great ways as a basketball player. But in the same token, I just felt non-existent, you know, for those years. It wasn’t like we was on TV, we weren’t competing. There was so much to it that just was a struggle.”
:lmao


people focusing on this line, I'm wondering what the Lakers deal that they had lined up was, LA used it as leverage to get Westbrook, which is fucking hilarious, but I do wonder what it was

[Ariel]

people focusing on this line, I'm wondering what the Lakers deal that they had lined up was, LA used it as leverage to get Westbrook, which is fucking hilarious, but I do wonder what it was
Supposedly DDR was going to the Lakers for significantly less money and they weren't that interested. So it was probably nothing worth losing sleep for.

[exstatic]

Supposedly DDR was going to the Lakers for significantly less money and they weren't that interested. So it was probably nothing worth losing sleep for.

LeBron didn’t want him, supposedly, which is the reason you shouldn’t let players run the show.