NBA Trade Deadline 2023

[Dverde]

Suns are about to change ownership. I could see them making a splash by giving up Ayton and Gobert type of draft capital for Durant in the off-season

[rascal]

How does Irving traded to Dallas effect the Spurs ability to make a trade?

[Ignazzz]

How does Irving traded to Dallas effect the Spurs ability to make a trade?
One chance less

[mo7888]

How does Irving traded to Dallas effect the Spurs ability to make a trade?

Hasn't changed it much from where it was before Kyrie's demand. One positive though is that the demand generated alot of dialog between several teams and the Spurs. Hopefully a couple wrinkles will come out of that over and above the conversations we were already having.

[baseline bum]

How does Irving traded to Dallas effect the Spurs ability to make a trade?

Kind of fucks it up

[CGD]

Kind of fucks it up

Or confirms that the Lakers were willing to son LeBron. They weren’t messing around when they said they aren’t mortgaging their entire future for his old ass.

Means best play still Toronto on Jak and salary dumping grounds for small assets.

[TD 21]

^ Be prepared for the attention whore Craptors to take it, if not up to, within' a few hours of the deadline so their unprofessional media buddies can resume attempting to publicly negotiate the value of their overrated role players on their behalf once the incoming flood of Irving trade analysis dies down in the next day or so.

Also be prepared for said unprofessional media buddies to resume trying to will the Nets to trade Durant to them for a collection of role players and picks . . . because superstars signed long term always go for packages like that, within' conference no less.

[CGD]

Wonder if the intel about BKN interest in our young guys had nothing to do with Irving but Nets trying to dump Simmons…

[rascal]

Spurs might price themselves right out with too high an asking price on any trade.
Don't be surprised if there are no trades by the Spurs.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Any reports yet of LeBron blowing the fuck up over the Lakers inability to pull off that trade for Kyrie?

[JPB]

Spurs might price themselves right out with too high an asking price on any trade.
Don't be surprised if there are no trades by the Spurs.

If they have the same expectations as ST, yeah surely ;)

That's where you see our guys might not be as beautiful in strangers eyes. Your kid is always the most beautiful kid...

[exstatic]

Kind of fucks it up

The Spurs wouldn’t put all of their eggs in one basket, the 3 way with LA and BK. I’m guessing they also had a number of other smaller trades lined up for their cap room.

[Degoat]

People may not agree but if the spurs land Scoot in the draft we should obviously keep Jakob but if we land Wemby I don’t think we should keep Jakob

[CGD]

The biggest piece of news we need now is on KD: will he renew trade demand and if so do they try to force it now or the summer? The two big players for the deadline, PHX and TOR, aren’t dealing without that information.

That said I don’t think that has to impact the Jakob trade market is Dallas and Celtics are in pursuit. Im intrigued by Dallas’ new aggressiveness in particular and what they’d give up picks wise in a Bert for Jak/Doug deal.

[rascal]

People may not agree but if the spurs land Scoot in the draft we should obviously keep Jakob but if we land Wemby I don’t think we should keep Jakob

They should trade Poeltl regardless if they can get an unprotected first. If they don't get Wemby the timeline for turning things around will take longer so another couple of seasons in the lottery.

[exstatic]

People may not agree but if the spurs land Scoot in the draft we should obviously keep Jakob but if we land Wemby I don’t think we should keep Jakob

Wembys not a center, more of a 7’4” SF. We’d still need a center.

[rascal]

Wembys not a center, more of a 7’4” SF. We’d still need a center.

Need to play him near the basket even if he can hit some occasional perimeter shots.

[ace3g]

Any reports yet of LeBron blowing the fuck up over the Lakers inability to pull off that trade for Kyrie?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoPyrwKWYAAAcO_?format=jpg&name=large

[lmbebo]

The biggest piece of news we need now is on KD: will he renew trade demand and if so do they try to force it now or the summer? The two big players for the deadline, PHX and TOR, aren’t dealing without that information.

That said I don’t think that has to impact the Jakob trade market is Dallas and Celtics are in pursuit. Im intrigued by Dallas’ new aggressiveness in particular and what they’d give up picks wise in a Bert for Jak/Doug deal.


KD too big of a piece to move in a mid season deal. By all accounts, Nets plan to reload around him now.

[exstatic]

Need to play him near the basket even if he can hit some occasional perimeter shots.

He’s a perimeter player. If you want buckets near the basket, he can cut. He’s not a fucking center, and if you play him there, his career will last 3-4 years. When Kevin Garnet was drafted, most centers were 6’11” or 7’0”. Do you think anyone considered playing him close to the basket?

[Mr. Body]

How does Irving traded to Dallas effect the Spurs ability to make a trade?

Not a ton. Some fans thought the Spurs could absorb a lot of salary for a pick. There just aren't that many picks to go around for contenders, so Kyrie for players plus a pick was the most likely thing to happen. I don't know if the Spurs could have really been involved.

However, there might be a number of smaller trades that are beefier versions of the recent Noah Vonleh trade.

[Ariel]

Not a ton. Some fans thought the Spurs could absorb a lot of salary for a pick. There just aren't that many picks to go around for contenders, so Kyrie for players plus a pick was the most likely thing to happen. I don't know if the Spurs could have really been involved.
Actually there were. According to the Athletic: "The Lakers offered the Nets a package of Westbrook and two first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 for Irving in the last two days, sources with knowledge of the discussions said — to which the Nets informed the Lakers that in order to make an offer to get in the Irving sweepstakes they would require all of their young players such as Austin Reaves and and pick swaps in addition to Westbrook and the two first-round picks. The Nets ultimately moved on from a possible Lakers framework to choose Dallas."
So basically Dallas' offer was a better fit to what Brooklyn was looking for (more veteran players over picks). But if that offer hadn't been on the table, going by what they ended up accepting I'd say a three way trade with our players in exchange for a pick had significant chances of working out. Too bad Dallas overpaid.

[Mnky]

Actually there were. According to the Athletic: "The Lakers offered the Nets a package of Westbrook and two first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 for Irving in the last two days, sources with knowledge of the discussions said — to which the Nets informed the Lakers that in order to make an offer to get in the Irving sweepstakes they would require all of their young players such as Austin Reaves and and pick swaps in addition to Westbrook and the two first-round picks. The Nets ultimately moved on from a possible Lakers framework to choose Dallas."
So basically Dallas' offer was a better fit to what Brooklyn was looking for (more veteran players over picks). But if that offer hadn't been on the table, going by what they ended up accepting I'd say a three way trade with our players in exchange for a pick had significant chances of working out. Too bad Dallas overpaid.

Brooklyn owner said No to lakers out of spite. He didn't want to let Kyrie be happy. He sent him to the least likely place he would win as well. All types of spite.

[Mr. Body]

Brooklyn owner said No to lakers out of spite. He didn't want to let Kyrie be happy. He sent him to the least likely place he would win as well. All types of spite.

Love to see it. Kyrie almost single handedly tanked the Nets chances the last three years.

[cd98]

Spurs put themselves in a position to get assets through either trading their players or being part of a salary dump for draft picks. But it just depends on if the opportunity arises. They did the smart thing for their situation, but it is kind of the luck of timing. In theory, the race is wide open so it favors the bold for teams that have championship aspirations. But not many title contenders have assets to make trades. Spurs have priced their players high in the trade market. But I think Toronto opening for business will diminish the Spurs's assets and I think there is probably not a big deal out there that will require the Spurs to use their salary cap. At least, not right now with no other superstars likely to demand trades between now and Thursday.

[exstatic]

Spurs put themselves in a position to get assets through either trading their players or being part of a salary dump for draft picks. But it just depends on if the opportunity arises. They did the smart thing for their situation, but it is kind of the luck of timing. In theory, the race is wide open so it favors the bold for teams that have championship aspirations. But not many title contenders have assets to make trades. Spurs have priced their players high in the trade market. But I think Toronto opening for business will diminish the Spurs's assets and I think there is probably not a big deal out there that will require the Spurs to use their salary cap. At least, not right now with no other superstars likely to demand trades between now and Thursday.

They don’t need one big deal, and in fact may do better with several smaller ones.

Please don’t tell me that you think the Spurs are now scrambling to find partners. They’ve probably had a number of teams contact them about renting some cap space, and have redundant trades lined up. Just remember, the whole Kyrie to LA thing was dead for at least four months until this week. They wouldn’t have been twiddling their thumbs during that time.

[Leetonidas]

Can't wait to see this thread get to 50+ pages of hypothetical trade discussions only for the Spurs to do nothing at the deadline:lol

[xellos88330]

Can't wait to see this thread get to 50+ pages of hypothetical trade discussions only for the Spurs to do nothing at the deadline:lol

That would be par for the course.

[LeBowen]

As per usual, we like what we have. :pop:

[buttsR4rebounding]

It cracks me up how this board goes from "the Spurs can end up with 4 FRPs" right after TiMVP's article came out to "the Spurs have priced themselves out of the market and have squandered their cap space" just 24 hours later because the Spurs weren't part of the Kyrie trade. While I think it is now unlikely that they get the most coveted prize available--the 2027 Lakers unprotected FRP--I would bet money that they have at least a couple of cap space rental trades lined up in case nothing better comes along. My guess is that they end up with at least 2 lottery protected 1sts and 1 or 2 SRPs before it is all said and done.

[JPB]

It cracks me up how this board goes from "the Spurs can end up with 4 FRPs" right after TiMVP's article came out to "the Spurs have priced themselves out of the market and have squandered their cap space" just 24 hours later because the Spurs weren't part of the Kyrie trade. While I think it is now unlikely that they get the most coveted prize available--the 2027 Lakers unprotected FRP--I would bet money that they have at least a couple of cap space rental trades lined up in case nothing better comes along. My guess is that they end up with at least 2 lottery protected 1sts and 1 or 2 SRPs before it is all said and done.

That's very optimlstic IMHO. 1FRP and 1SRP would already be a success.

[buttsR4rebounding]

That's very optimlstic IMHO. 1FRP and 1SRP would already be a success.

I see the Spurs using their own 2nd round pick which will likely be 32 or 33 like last year to move up to a non-lottery 1st. That strategy seems to have worked very well for them.

[Mr. Body]

Settle down. The deadline isn't today. Normally teams don't finish deals until the last day because things always pop up. The Kyrie and Hachimura trades were unusual.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeah the Irving trade isn't even official yet. It's not impossible that it'd eventually become a larger one, with one or two more teams involved. Both Nets and Mavs have other moves to make.

[mo7888]

SAS just said he's hearing KD may be moved by the deadline and that Boston is trying to acquire him with JB as the centerpiece

[Mr. Body]

Boston should go for it, but Durant is injury prone and getting old at this point. This is the thing that would lead to the late decade pick swap getting to be potentially good.

[spurraider21]

Boston should go for it, but Durant is injury prone and getting old at this point. This is the thing that would lead to the late decade pick swap getting to be potentially good.
if there was a year to make an all-in push, its this one. there is no juggernaut team. lebron isnt a threat. warriors are stumbling. this is the opening.

[CGD]

SAS just said he's hearing KD may be moved by the deadline and that Boston is trying to acquire him with JB as the centerpiece

They must really think JB is bouncing after his contract and trying to get ahead of it.

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1622660781572595729
Celtics Injury Report Update at Detroit tonight:

Jaylen Brown - Illness (Non-COVID) - QUESTIONABLE
Danilo Gallinari - Left Knee ACL Repair - OUT
Luke Kornet - Left Ankle Sprain - OUT
Marcus Smart - Right Ankle Sprain - OUT
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Hmmmm....

[spurraider21]

there was a lot of HMMM over josh richardson missing a game or two then he played. ive stopped reading into those

[cjw]

Teams in luxury tax (and amount they would need to shed to clear tax per Spotrac)

PHI $1.2
DEN $10.5
PHX $17.1
LAL $19.9
BOS $23.5
DAL $24.1
MIL $26.4
BKN $29.2
GS $39.2
LAC $41.7

Some of those teams are repeaters and two have bills of $140mm+. Total is $684mm of projected taxes, which will undoubtedly come down as teams do some shedding. Without it coming down, the other 20 teams each net $34.2mm.

In addition, 9 other teams are within $5mm of the tax, so that limits ability to take on money in trades.

This should create tons of opportunities for the Spurs to “buy” assets for their space.

A team like the Suns has a $35mm tax bill as a repeater that can swing $70mm in the other direction if they dump Saric and Crowder into the Spurs’ cap space. They can also get there with a Poeltl for Ayton swap (not necessarily to Spurs, could be rerouted).

On the far end of the spectrum are the Warriors and Clippers. Both are competing, but every dollar of salary costs them 4.75x in marginal additional tax payments (it’s actually more because they’re more than $20 over the tax). Shedding Reggie Jackson’s $11 million could save the Clippers like $65 million.

Long winded way of saying there will absolutely be trades done, and the Spurs will extract assets from them.

[exstatic]

They must really think JB is bouncing after his contract and trying to get ahead of it.

Even in his geriatric state, KD is a far superior player to JB. Doesn’t have to be anything else to it.

[lmbebo]

saw a tweet about Cavs targeting J. Rich

[DPG21920]

It would be sick to get a DET and HOU win tonight.

[exstatic]

Teams in luxury tax (and amount they would need to shed to clear tax per Spotrac)

PHI $1.2
DEN $10.5
PHX $17.1
LAL $19.9
BOS $23.5
DAL $24.1
MIL $26.4
BKN $29.2
GS $39.2
LAC $41.7

Some of those teams are repeaters and two have bills of $140mm+. Total is $684mm of projected taxes, which will undoubtedly come down as teams do some shedding. Without it coming down, the other 20 teams each net $34.2mm.

In addition, 9 other teams are within $5mm of the tax, so that limits ability to take on money in trades.

This should create tons of opportunities for the Spurs to “buy” assets for their space.

A team like the Suns has a $35mm tax bill as a repeater that can swing $70mm in the other direction if they dump Saric and Crowder into the Spurs’ cap space. They can also get there with a Poeltl for Ayton swap (not necessarily to Spurs, could be rerouted).

On the far end of the spectrum are the Warriors and Clippers. Both are competing, but every dollar of salary costs them 4.75x in marginal additional tax payments (it’s actually more because they’re more than $20 over the tax). Shedding Reggie Jackson’s $11 million could save the Clippers like $65 million.

Long winded way of saying there will absolutely be trades done, and the Spurs will extract assets from them.
Lakers are screwed. They have to find a taker for Russ (us), and they know that door is closed by pricing. Clippers could toss us a 2028 lotto protected FRP, but fuck them. Golden state has a decent chance, and also has a 2028 pick available. Brooklyn is screwed. No picks, and even some of their swaps are already optioned into other swaps. Boston can trade anything 2025 and later. Only our swap is out there. Milwaukee can trade their 2029. Phoenix has all of their FRPs available.

[exstatic]

saw a tweet about Cavs targeting J. Rich

They absolutely need a wing. Unfortunately, they have no FRPs.

[Mr. Body]

Teams in luxury tax (and amount they would need to shed to clear tax per Spotrac)

PHI $1.2
DEN $10.5
PHX $17.1
LAL $19.9
BOS $23.5
DAL $24.1
MIL $26.4
BKN $29.2
GS $39.2
LAC $41.7

Some of those teams are repeaters and two have bills of $140mm+. Total is $684mm of projected taxes, which will undoubtedly come down as teams do some shedding. Without it coming down, the other 20 teams each net $34.2mm.

In addition, 9 other teams are within $5mm of the tax, so that limits ability to take on money in trades.

This should create tons of opportunities for the Spurs to “buy” assets for their space.

A team like the Suns has a $35mm tax bill as a repeater that can swing $70mm in the other direction if they dump Saric and Crowder into the Spurs’ cap space. They can also get there with a Poeltl for Ayton swap (not necessarily to Spurs, could be rerouted).

On the far end of the spectrum are the Warriors and Clippers. Both are competing, but every dollar of salary costs them 4.75x in marginal additional tax payments (it’s actually more because they’re more than $20 over the tax). Shedding Reggie Jackson’s $11 million could save the Clippers like $65 million.

Long winded way of saying there will absolutely be trades done, and the Spurs will extract assets from them.

Good stuff.

[Mr. Body]

They absolutely need a wing. Unfortunately, they have no FRPs.

Barely any contenders have anything to work with. The market is wonky - so much traded out already. The Stepien Rule screws us, but is good for the league; otherwise the top teams would have traded even the in-between picks out completely.

[exstatic]

Barely any contenders have anything to work with. The market is wonky - so much traded out already. The Stepien Rule screws us, but is good for the league; otherwise the top teams would have traded even the in-between picks out completely.

I even went through their roster, and the younger players either don’t amount to anything, or would be off limits.

[DPG21920]

Can't wait to see this thread get to 50+ pages of hypothetical trade discussions only for the Spurs to do nothing at the deadline:lol

It’s the SpursTalk way

[Mr. Body]

I even went through their roster, and the younger players either don’t amount to anything, or would be off limits.

Raul Neto isn't doing it for you?

[Mr. Body]

Furkan Korkmaz has requested a trade. A power shift incoming.

[Dverde]

Furkan Korkmaz has requested a trade. A power shift incoming.

Nando de Colo all over again.

[MannyIsGod]

Can't wait to see this thread get to 50+ pages of hypothetical trade discussions only for the Spurs to do nothing at the deadline:lol

Like last year right? Wait....

[Gagnrath]

Imo they never had an offer with 3 picks for OG. Just a strategy to have a good offer for hium.
I could see turning down something like 2 top 25 protected and a top 20 protected pick. You put enough protections on first rounds and they just aren't worth much.

[exstatic]

I could see turning down something like 2 top 25 protected and a top 20 protected pick. You put enough protections on first rounds and they just aren't worth much.

Nobody would accept a top 25 protected pick in a trade. The max protection I’ve heard of in the last 5 years is 1-16. Lottery, 1-14, is considered heavily protected.

[ismael-robert]

Spurs will do something...it'll just be completely different from anything anyone here spent their free time thinking up

[ginobilized]

Spurs will do something...it'll just be completely different from anything anyone here spent their free time thinking up

Like Dedmon and a 2nd for cash considerations.....good call

[Ariel]

Like Dedmon and a 2nd for cash considerations.....good call
Yeah, the Spurs using their cap space to gather assets was totally unforeseen.

[JPB]

Like last year right? Wait....


No idea if spurs are gonna make significant moves but White had much more trading value than any current spurs player.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[heyheymymy]

damn JRs value clarifies at one 2RP with the expiring contract to make it work

more the current market vibe than JRs true worth imo b/c in many other years that's gotta be a first. JR was good enough this year, cmon

[Robz4000]

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:lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

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Dang I was hoping we could package JR and McD and our Miami 2nd for a top 24 protected FRP.

[Mr. Body]

damn JRs value clarifies at one 2RP with the expiring contract to make it work

more the current market vibe than JRs true worth imo b/c in many other years that's gotta be a first. JR was good enough this year, cmon

No good teams have 1st round picks to use. Moving Richardson is a favor to him as much as anything. He deserves to play for a winning team.

[CGD]

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I know I'm gonna catch heat from mo7877, but I dont see why we dont get a look at Wiseman for a year. Richardson and SRP for Wiseman. It's 11M next year for a look. if he sucks move on.

[heyheymymy]

Agreed Mr Body

it's situational and the Spurs are still good guys about this kind of thing

[Degoat]

The same team’s interested in Jae Crowder should be interested in JRich. Feel like the bucks or the Cavs will be his home after the deadline

[baseline bum]

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Meh what's the point? Second rounders aren't worth shit. Only half decent player the Spurs have gotten in the second round the last ten years was Tre Jones, and he's just putting up empty stats on a loser.

[DPG21920]

Meh what's the point? Second rounders aren't worth shit. Only half decent player the Spurs have gotten in the second round the last ten years was Tre Jones, and he's just putting up empty stats on a loser.

And people had the audacity to be mad at me saying I would trade Richardson/Doug (who has less value than Richardson)/Collins and even Tre for that 1 Lakers fully unprotected 1st

[DPG21920]

Like that Spurs are active and even using cash to complete deals. Thats now 2 trades this season that are nothing flashy but shrewd and I am guessing we see at least 2 more. DeRozan, Thad, White, Murray and now 2 trades this deadline so far? Thats a lot of trades…especially from the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

And people had the audacity to be mad at me saying I would trade Richardson/Doug (who has less value than Richardson)/Collins and even Tre for that 1 Lakers fully unprotected 1st

Lakers can have all for of them for a first, even a lottery protected first.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs had way more junk last year. Dumping Ewwbanks, Thad, Bryn, that was a priority and I'm not sure I see as much deadweight this year to that same degree.

[RC_Drunkford]

damn JRs value clarifies at one 2RP with the expiring contract to make it work

more the current market vibe than JRs true worth imo b/c in many other years that's gotta be a first. JR was good enough this year, cmon

yeah, very low asking price. Players like him usually get moved for a low 1st, but I guess all the contenders running out of draft picks has changed the market

[heyheymymy]

Exactly

Says more about the current climate than JRs value. Shame but makes sense.

[KingKev]

Dang I was hoping we could package JR and McD and our Miami 2nd for a top 24 protected FRP.

Most of us always knew JR was not going to fetch a first. His trade value at mist was always that of Thad.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Most of us always knew JR was not going to fetch a first. His trade value at mist was always that of Thad.

Unfortunately due to circumstances it appears it's less than Thad's. Thad fetched an early 20's worth of a pick, considering that Grizzlies traded picks 22 and 29 for pick 19. Spurs essentially traded Thad and pick 33 for pick 20 (plus some cash from Holts' pockets).

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should really try to get the Suns or Raptors 2023 pick. I think that are the only picks available for this draft, besides the Heat pick whom we just made a deal with

[heyheymymy]

Thad polished up an early 2RP into a late-mid FRP and maybe with this MIA 2028 2RP + JR Spurs can secure a late first somehow?

[Chinook]

I know I'm gonna catch heat from mo7877, but I dont see why we dont get a look at Wiseman for a year. Richardson and SRP for Wiseman. It's 11M next year for a look. if he sucks move on.

Why do you think the Spurs should give assets for a negative contract? If you want the Spurs to be the Wiseman dumping ground, fine. But they shouldn't pay for it. Wiseman for Dedmon works straight up.

[LeBowen]

Spurs should really try to get the Suns or Raptors 2023 pick. I think that are the only picks available for this draft, besides the Heat pick whom we just made a deal with

Yeah, but how?

Raptors seem to be stuck and unable to decide if they're buyers or sellers, so if we want their pick, we'll have to wait until they figure out which direction they want to take.

Suns? Only if it's some three way deal for Ayton or if we take CP3's contract, which doesn't seem to be likely. They're not giving up their first to get rid of Saric.

I'll consider Brian Wright a miracle worker if he manages to get another first in this draft.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, but how?

Raptors seem to be stuck and unable to decide if they're buyers or sellers, so if we want their pick, we'll have to wait until they figure out which direction they want to take.

Suns? Only if it's some three way deal for Ayton or if we take CP3's contract, which doesn't seem to be likely. They're not giving up their first to get rid of Saric.

I'll consider Brian Wright a miracle worker if he manages to get another first in this draft.

yes, seems almost impossible. But the Spurs 2nd round pick should be between 32nd and 34th, so packaging that one with a player to move up in the late first round might work with somebody like Phoenix. That would save them even more salary since they can sign the 2nd round pick to a two-way contract next year.

[spurs10]

Dang I was hoping we could package JR and McD and our Miami 2nd for a top 24 protected FRP. Has anything outside of Dedmon and the SRP gone down?

[mo7888]

I know I'm gonna catch heat from mo7877, but I dont see why we dont get a look at Wiseman for a year. Richardson and SRP for Wiseman. It's 11M next year for a look. if he sucks move on.

No heat from me.... I just wouldn't pay for the privilege of finding out if there's anything there, especially since you need to spend $12M on him next year to really evaluate him. I'd be willing to trade Jrich or McD for him straight up but that's about it..

[mo7888]

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I don't really see where this changes the expectation for what we can get for Jrich. To get a first out of him we were always going to have to take back future money....that's still the case.... this just says we'll take a 2nd if we don't have ongoing salary...

[scott]

This trade deadline is going to fizzle out. I don't think we move Jak or Doug. We'll get a 2nd for JRich as a favor to him and to open up more minutes for Bran.

Still hoping (but not optimistic) that we move Jak or Zollins and it opens up minutes for Bassey (assuming he isn't done for the year. Still no news about his injury, which is very weird)

[mo7888]

This trade deadline is going to fizzle out. I don't think we move Jak or Doug. We'll get a 2nd for JRich as a favor to him and to open up more minutes for Bran.

Still hoping (but not optimistic) that we move Jak or Zollins and it opens up minutes for Bassey (assuming he isn't done for the year. Still no news about his injury, which is very weird)

Could be, but there's no compelling reason to conclude that right now... everybody always thinks the deadline is going to be a dud...then Thursday happens...

[spurs10]

I do like the idea of Josh getting a shot to play for a better team.

[Mr. Body]

There are literally two days and two minutes before deadline left.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah the optics of SA willing to help JR get somewhere good to play meaningful games despite no return is almost worth some value not unlike the draft capital itself.

[Ocotillo]

Bassey (assuming he isn't done for the year. Still no news about his injury, which is very weird)

Yeah, I did see a tweet earlier congratulating him for being selected to the Rising Stars G-League version of the all star game?

edited to add: Here it is:

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1623036999257972736

[spurraider21]

always thought a first contemplated us taking on some future salary. like when we traded RJ and a first for sjax, so 2nd + expiring makes sense, but id rather go with the former. its not like our cap space this summer is very important

[CGD]

Why do you think the Spurs should give assets for a negative contract? If you want the Spurs to be the Wiseman dumping ground, fine. But they shouldn't pay for it. Wiseman for Dedmon works straight up.

In my view, I think we simultaneously overstate JRich's value and underrate 12M/1yr of Wiesman around here. I see some upside in turning a future 45th pick and an expiring into a raw project for 1 year.

But yeah, if they take Dedmon, awesome.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wouldn’t give up a thing for Wiseman. Dude legit doesn’t know how to play basketball. Much rather throw money at someone like Naz Reid in the summer.

[Ignazzz]

Sacramento Kings are closing in on a deal with Brooklyn to acquire Nets forward Kessler Edwards, sources tell
shams

[JeffDuncan]

Meh what's the point? Second rounders aren't worth shit. Only half decent player the Spurs have gotten in the second round the last ten years was Tre Jones, and he's just putting up empty stats on a loser.


That is absolutely not true. Right in front of our face the Heat just used a 2nd round pick to gain cap space, to make other deals possible.

It always depends on how picks are used.

[exstatic]

That is absolutely not true. Right in front of our face the Heat just used a 2nd round pick to gain cap space, to make other deals possible.

It always depends on how picks are used.

Exactly. We used a SRP and the corpse of Thad Young to get Malaki.

[KingKev]

There are literally two days and two minutes before deadline left.

I just got wet. Draft capital is paramount but I’d love to see us take a flier on a younger talent who has fallen out of the rotation on another team. I don’t think this current squad should get a bonus at all.

[exstatic]

NBACentral pops up in my Twitter feed pretty regularly, and they’re not really plugged into anything. Kind of a trash account. Take anything they say with a bowling ball sized grain of salt.

[RC_Drunkford]

another guy who doesn't like Pop's methods :lol

1622761801833218050

[heyheymymy]

pop said back around all star break all along anyway so Dev is on his time frame still

[cd98]

another guy who doesn't like Pop's methods :lol

1622761801833218050

We don't need this dude coming back and messing up our lottery odds. He needs to sit on that bench until next season.

[KingKev]

another guy who doesn't like Pop's methods :lol

1622761801833218050

hahah he is probs just down on being injured. He’s getting a nice extension offer this summer regardless
but I’m sure his camp wants him on the floor asap to stat pad for a bigger deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

hahah he is probs just down on being injured. He’s getting a nice extension offer this summer regardless
but I’m sure his camp wants him on the floor asap to stat pad for a bigger deal.

nah man he's the next Dejounte. He will ask for a trade soon and doesn't like Spurs "culture" :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sacramento Kings are closing in on a deal with Brooklyn to acquire Nets forward Kessler Edwards, sources tell
shams

According to Hoopshype the deal is done.

[KingKev]

nah man he's the next Dejounte. He will ask for a trade soon and doesn't like Spurs "culture" :lol

Devin Anthony Vassell is a member of the next big 3; Keldon/Vassell/Wemby! Book it!

[TD 21]

^ Be prepared for the attention whore Craptors to take it, if not up to, within' a few hours of the deadline so their unprofessional media buddies can resume attempting to publicly negotiate the value of their overrated role players on their behalf once the incoming flood of Irving trade analysis dies down in the next day or so.

Also be prepared for said unprofessional media buddies to resume trying to will the Nets to trade Durant to them for a collection of role players and picks . . . because superstars signed long term always go for packages like that, within' conference no less.

Like clockwork.:downspin:

[KingKev]

Massai is my Daddy but I kinda like it

Dammmmmm…. insert yellow M&M ROFL

[TD 21]

Dammmmmm…. insert yellow M&M ROFL

As I said, like clockwork. :lmao

[scott]

1623078093106688002

Alright... NOW I am interested in Wiseman, not because of Wiseman, but because it's worth $131M to GS to trade him. How many unprotected FRPs is $131M worth to the Warriors (maybe none... they might not give a shit).

[scott]

Spurs receive: James Wiseman, Johnathan Kuminga, 2025 unprotected FRP swap, 2026 unprotected FRP, 2027 unprotected FRP swap, 2028 unprotected FRP
Warriors receive: $110k

Let's do it.

[JeffDuncan]

Spurs receive: James Wiseman, Johnathan Kuminga, 2025 unprotected FRP swap, 2026 unprotected FRP, 2027 unprotected FRP swap, 2028 unprotected FRP
Warriors receive: $110k

Let's do it.


I’m in.

The Warriors owe Memphis a 1st round pick that could settle in ‘24, ‘25 or ‘26, otherwise they are all clear. That ‘24 protection is only top 4, so it will probably settle then.

[mo7888]

1623078093106688002

Alright... NOW I am interested in Wiseman, not because of Wiseman, but because it's worth $131M to GS to trade him. How many unprotected FRPs is $131M worth to the Warriors (maybe none... they might not give a shit).

This is why we shouldn't 'pay' for Wiseman and why we should get paid to take him..

[exstatic]

Spurs receive: James Wiseman, Johnathan Kuminga, 2025 unprotected FRP swap, 2026 unprotected FRP, 2027 unprotected FRP swap, 2028 unprotected FRP
Warriors receive: $110k

Let's do it.

It’s been said that the Spurs want no part of Kuminga.

[spurraider21]

id definitley explore eating wiseman's contract tbh. 2023 offseason cap space is not really a concern imo

[tonight...you]

Spurs receive: James Wiseman, Johnathan Kuminga, 2025 unprotected FRP swap, 2026 unprotected FRP, 2027 unprotected FRP swap, 2028 unprotected FRP
Warriors receive: $110k

Let's do it.
If you're going to dream, dream big.

[scott]

It’s been said that the Spurs want no part of Kuminga.

Yes, we know. We all read if the first time LJ wrote it and the 10,000 times you've posted it since. They also don't want any part of Wiseman and the Warriors probably want no part in this trade. But this is my Spurs GM fan-fic, so I don't actually GAF.

TRE TO KUMINGA FOR THE ALLY OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

[scott]

If you're going to dream, dream big.

This guy gets it.

[scott]

This is why we shouldn't 'pay' for Wiseman and why we should get paid to take him..

Exactly, some people still don't seem to get it. Wiseman is a burden, not an asset. Any trade proposal that has us giving up anything for Wiseman beyond $110k or a top-55 protected SRP should be immediately disregarded. Likewise, any proposal that doesn't also have FRPs coming back.

[exstatic]

I’m in.

The Warriors owe Memphis a 1st round pick that could settle in ‘24, ‘25 or ‘26, otherwise they are all clear. That ‘24 protection is only top 4, so it will probably settle then.

Right, but until it’s settled, you can’t further trade or swap any of those picks. It won’t be settled by the trade deadline. ‘Probably’ doesn’t count. An example is Chicagos pick this year. It’s top four protected, and was expected to convey, as Chicago made the playoffs last year easily, and was expected to do the same this year. Fast forward 8 months, and Chicago has a decent chance to jump into the top 4 and keep the pick. It’s 8% now, but was 20% days ago, and could be again in a few days with the way the standings are bubbling up and down.

[Chinook]

In my view, I think we simultaneously overstate JRich's value and underrate 12M/1yr of Wiesman around here. I see some upside in turning a future 45th pick and an expiring into a raw project for 1 year.

But yeah, if they take Dedmon, awesome.

Why do you think Wiseman would have less value to GS than the Spurs? They need a good center as well, and they'd really like him to be a good investment. A player who's good versus a player who's bad on the same money should have dramatically different values. That's even more true given that Wiseman isn't on a $12M/1 deal. He's on a two-year deal. He has guaranteed money well beyond what he's shown to be worth. Dedmon's a lot better with option value. I don't really see a good argument for preferring Wiseman over Dewayne unless you believe in Wiseman. Like you can't just want to take a flyer. You have to think he's going to be a really good player. Otherwise it should be pretty easy to get a project big. The Spurs have a couple already.

[spurraider21]

Why do you think Wiseman would have less value to GS than the Spurs? They need a good center as well, and they'd really like him to be a good investment. A player who's good versus a player who's bad on the same money should have dramatically different values. That's even more true given that Wiseman isn't on a $12M/1 deal. He's on a two-year deal. He has guaranteed money well beyond what he's shown to be worth. Dedmon's a lot better with option value. I don't really see a good argument for preferring Wiseman over Dewayne unless you believe in Wiseman. Like you can't just want to take a flyer. You have to think he's going to be a really good player. Otherwise it should be pretty easy to get a project big. The Spurs have a couple already.
the tax bill

[Mr. Body]

Holy... It's pretty tasty that the GSW owner is paying through the nose for his failson's desire to pick Wiseman. Light years ahead, truly. Too bad they got a cheapo title out of everything last year.

[JeffDuncan]

Right, but until it’s settled, you can’t further trade or swap any of those picks. It won’t be settled by the trade deadline. ‘Probably’ doesn’t count. An example is Chicagos pick this year. It’s top four protected, and was expected to convey, as Chicago made the playoffs last year easily, and was expected to do the same this year. Fast forward 8 months, and Chicago has a decent chance to jump into the top 4 and keep the pick. It’s 8% now, but was 20% days ago, and could be again in a few days with the way the standings are bubbling up and down.


Yes, very true. The Warriors do have their 1st round pick this year, currently at #17. I wonder what they think that’s worth.

[CGD]

Why do you think Wiseman would have less value to GS than the Spurs? They need a good center as well, and they'd really like him to be a good investment. A player who's good versus a player who's bad on the same money should have dramatically different values. That's even more true given that Wiseman isn't on a $12M/1 deal. He's on a two-year deal. He has guaranteed money well beyond what he's shown to be worth. Dedmon's a lot better with option value. I don't really see a good argument for preferring Wiseman over Dewayne unless you believe in Wiseman. Like you can't just want to take a flyer. You have to think he's going to be a really good player. Otherwise it should be pretty easy to get a project big. The Spurs have a couple already.

Even with his option next year, I don’t assume the spurs made the Dedmon trade with the idea of keeping him unless Jakob is moved. Maybe that’s wrong, but I think he becomes a buyout guy the day after the deadline. We’ll see.

I disagree on the flier piece, especially if the cost is (projected) sub-MLE money; I absolutely think that’s what the small market spurs should be doing at this stage of their rebuild cycle, which is why I applauded the Zach Collins deal at the time it was made (and I still like it).

On “value,” it feels like GSW for first time in a while have different considerations to grapple with, which I think is reflected in the Meyers contract impasse (say nothing of the new Curry injury). That tax savings may be a real “value” in what’s looking like a down year.

Last, unless I’m missing something, if Wiseman flops next year the spurs arent obligated to make him RFA the season after next, no? And if he does flop he become the next 12M expiring to be leveraged this time next year. I support having different sized expiring contracts (5M Romeo; 9M Jakob; 12M Richardson) at any given time to help cobble trades together.

[Mugen]

Thank god Golden State whiffed on Wiseman tbh

[CGD]

Wow, Isiah Thomas taking a role in Suns front office. Danger, danger, danger dear Sun fan.

Meanwhile spurs should be trying to get a FRP for Langford or Roby from them right about now.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Sochan?


Devin Anthony Vassell is a member of the next big 3; Keldon/Vassell/Wemby! Book it!

[KingKev]

As I said, like clockwork. :lmao

haha I’ll give you that tbh. Nice to be in a position as a market make to buy, sell
or hold. I suspect they are opportunistic sellers of atleast one of FVV, GTJ or OG.

[KingKev]

Sochan?

haha that was sarcasm.

[JPB]

Why do you think Wiseman would have less value to GS than the Spurs? They need a good center as well, and they'd really like him to be a good investment. A player who's good versus a player who's bad on the same money should have dramatically different values. That's even more true given that Wiseman isn't on a $12M/1 deal. He's on a two-year deal. He has guaranteed money well beyond what he's shown to be worth. Dedmon's a lot better with option value. I don't really see a good argument for preferring Wiseman over Dewayne unless you believe in Wiseman. Like you can't just want to take a flyer. You have to think he's going to be a really good player. Otherwise it should be pretty easy to get a project big. The Spurs have a couple already.

The whole NBA knows GS has 131M reasons to get rid of Wiseman. That's not a very good hand for the Dubs.

[Chinook]

the tax bill

This isn't the quip you think it is. We know that the Warriors can save money by ditching salary. But for that salary to be Wiseman would have to show the Warriors value him less than random role-players, and the gap between them picking like seven guys over him and the Spurs taking on a huge financial burden for him is really thin. If he's meh enough for the Warriors to not care if they ditch him, then the Spurs likely wouldn't want to pay him when they have cheaper and more promising bigs. If he has enough potential to where the Spurs are confident he can become somebody, the Warriors would likely keep him and not get rid of their best prospect. The Spurs wouldn't just be committing to the rest of his rookie deal. They aren't going to be able to re-sign Wiseman for a cheap flier deal if they are the teams that just paid him huge bucks. That's one of the reasons why top-pick busts tend to make a shit ton of money. If he's awful, they can let him go, and if he's great they can back up the truck. But if he's just meh or shows just enough to stay interested, he'll cost the Spurs even more money down the line. It's like how Bagley managed to get a pay raise on his new deal with Detroit.

To put it into perspective, if you project a Bagley-type arc with Wiseman, we could be looking at something close to $55 Million spent over the next four years for a guy who's below-average. Folks are balking at paying Poeltl $80 Million over the same period even though Jakob is a proven center. It's not the cheap looksie it's being pitched as. The chances he either becomes a star or busts out completely to where he is allowed to walk are much less likely than the Spurs keeping him on a deal like above.

[exstatic]

Wow, Isiah Thomas taking a role in Suns front office. Danger, danger, danger dear Sun fan.

Meanwhile spurs should be trying to get a FRP for Langford or Roby from them right about now.

Phoenix has a boatload of FRPs to swindle IT out of. :lol

[spurraider21]

This isn't the quip you think it is.
i was not going for a quip. was a legitimate response to the question posed


We know that the Warriors can save money by ditching salary. But for that salary to be Wiseman would have to show the Warriors value him less than random role-players
not including iggy who has only played 3 games, wiseman is 13th on the team in average minutes per game. he is uniquely burdensome because he's getting paid 10 mil a year and isnt valued by them at all. the other "random role-players" they have actually contribute, so they wouldnt be nearly as motivated to just jettison another combination of actual role players who would combine for 10 mil off their books (and by extension, the monster tax bill).

basically, the warriors could dump wiseman and be literally no worse on the floor. there arent really other random role players combining for that amount of money that they could say the same for

obviously the spurs wouldnt just want to pay him. thats why the warriors would be expected to part ways with some draft capital to make it meaningful to SA. worst case it would be another case of selling cap space (though this time extending into the 23-24 season). best case the spurs get something out of wiseman and then you could worry later about retaining him, but at that point would just be house money anyway

[Mr. Body]

Wow, Isiah Thomas taking a role in Suns front office. Danger, danger, danger dear Sun fan.

Meanwhile spurs should be trying to get a FRP for Langford or Roby from them right about now.

Was Isiah Thomas that bad with the Knicks? Honestly don't remember. Was it Phil Jackson who dealt out the bad Joakim Noah deals and stuff (but drafted Porzingis)? Part of the Knicks problem is the owner is terrible. But I remember Thomas drafting pretty well, way back to that year he picked Channing Frye, David Lee, and Nate Robinson.

[Mr. Body]

i was not going for a quip. was a legitimate response to the question posed


not including iggy who has only played 3 games, wiseman is 13th on the team in average minutes per game. he is uniquely burdensome because he's getting paid 10 mil a year and isnt valued by them at all. the other "random role-players" they have actually contribute, so they wouldnt be nearly as motivated to just jettison another combination of actual role players who would combine for 10 mil off their books (and by extension, the monster tax bill).

basically, the warriors could dump wiseman and be literally no worse on the floor. there arent really other random role players combining for that amount of money that they could say the same for

obviously the spurs wouldnt just want to pay him. thats why the warriors would be expected to part ways with some draft capital to make it meaningful to SA. worst case it would be another case of selling cap space (though this time extending into the 23-24 season). best case the spurs get something out of wiseman and then you could worry later about retaining him, but at that point would just be house money anyway

I really don't think the Warriors can trade Wiseman without getting something decent back (which isn't happening). They can't acknowledge the L just yet and he's honestly still in 'development.' There's still a chance that he shows. They're in an awkward place where saving face and the inkling of advancement have them paralyzed.

[spurraider21]

I really don't think the Warriors can trade Wiseman without getting something decent back (which isn't happening). They can't acknowledge the L just yet and he's honestly still in 'development.' There's still a chance that he shows. They're in an awkward place where saving face and the inkling of advancement have them paralyzed.
well yeah i cant speak for that

to be clear, if there are assets going in a particular direction in a wiseman-spurs deal... the assets would be going SA's way, not the other way around :lol

[CGD]

This isn't the quip you think it is. We know that the Warriors can save money by ditching salary. But for that salary to be Wiseman would have to show the Warriors value him less than random role-players, and the gap between them picking like seven guys over him and the Spurs taking on a huge financial burden for him is really thin. If he's meh enough for the Warriors to not care if they ditch him, then the Spurs likely wouldn't want to pay him when they have cheaper and more promising bigs. If he has enough potential to where the Spurs are confident he can become somebody, the Warriors would likely keep him and not get rid of their best prospect. The Spurs wouldn't just be committing to the rest of his rookie deal. They aren't going to be able to re-sign Wiseman for a cheap flier deal if they are the teams that just paid him huge bucks. That's one of the reasons why top-pick busts tend to make a shit ton of money. If he's awful, they can let him go, and if he's great they can back up the truck. But if he's just meh or shows just enough to stay interested, he'll cost the Spurs even more money down the line. It's like how Bagley managed to get a pay raise on his new deal with Detroit.

To put it into perspective, if you project a Bagley-type arc with Wiseman, we could be looking at something close to $55 Million spent over the next four years for a guy who's below-average. Folks are balking at paying Poeltl $80 Million over the same period even though Jakob is a proven center. It's not the cheap looksie it's being pitched as. The chances he either becomes a star or busts out completely to where he is allowed to walk are much less likely than the Spurs keeping him on a deal like above.

I think the Bagley hype is apt, but for a different reason. Sacramento ended up trading him to Detroit in his last year, gots some value back (including our buddy Tre Lyles who has been good for them), and avoided paying him his next contract. If he doesnt pan out Spurs can do the same this time next year, if he blows up thats good problem to have, and if hes somewhere in the middle Spurs can let the market set the price of his next contract and match if they so desire or pull his QO.

I'm not giving up Jakob for him or anything, but Richardson and a future 45th pick? Sure.

[Chinook]

i was not going for a quip. was a legitimate response to the question posed


not including iggy who has only played 3 games, wiseman is 13th on the team in average minutes per game. he is uniquely burdensome because he's getting paid 10 mil a year and isnt valued by them at all. the other "random role-players" they have actually contribute, so they wouldnt be nearly as motivated to just jettison another combination of actual role players who would combine for 10 mil off their books (and by extension, the monster tax bill).

basically, the warriors could dump wiseman and be literally no worse on the floor. there arent really other random role players combining for that amount of money that they could say the same for

obviously the spurs wouldnt just want to pay him. thats why the warriors would be expected to part ways with some draft capital to make it meaningful to SA. worst case it would be another case of selling cap space (though this time extending into the 23-24 season). best case the spurs get something out of wiseman and then you could worry later about retaining him, but at that point would just be house money anyway

We aren't talking about the likely scenario where Wiseman is a bust and the Spurs take on his salary for compensation. We're talking about the scenario where Wiseman is worth multiple second-rounders to the Spurs. The Warriors aren't valuing him at all, so why should they get paid for him like he's valuable? Wiseman for Dedmon is about as highly as I'm willing to go, since GS could use Dedmon while also saving a ton this year with the option of completely saving next year. The Spurs would basically be getting Wiseman and a second in the three-way trade, which at least feels better, though I'd prefer for the Warriors to kick in some minor asset as well. Then they could trade Richardson for whatever and end up plus-three in assets rather than minus-one like in GCD's scenario.

[Chinook]

I think the Bagley hype is apt, but for a different reason. Sacramento ended up trading him to Detroit in his last year, gots some value back (including our buddy Tre Lyles who has been good for them), and avoided paying him his next contract. If he doesnt pan out Spurs can do the same this time next year, if he blows up thats good problem to have, and if hes somewhere in the middle Spurs can let the market set the price of his next contract and match if they so desire or pull his QO.

I'm not giving up Jakob for him or anything, but Richardson and a future 45th pick? Sure.

Any team that's going to value Wiseman and has the means to give positive value is likely going to be right with the Spurs for bidding in your scenario. The Spurs aren't the Kings in your analogy; they're very much the Pistons. The most times he's traded, the worse his value gets. I'm not giving up positive value for him assuming some other team that wasn't even bidding is going to give up the same or more later.

[CGD]

Any team that's going to value Wiseman and has the means to give positive value is likely going to be right with the Spurs for bidding in your scenario. The Spurs aren't the Kings in your analogy; they're very much the Pistons. The most times he's traded, the worse his value gets. I'm not giving up positive value for him assuming some other team that wasn't even bidding is going to give up the same or more later.

Oh, I definitely wouldn't go in into this thinking that he has to be flipped to recover assets. The opposite. He's, big picture, an inexpensive flier in a rising cap environment, which, in my view, is the type of swing the small market Spurs should be taking. If it flop it flops, and even then Spurs are left with their next expiring contract to flip next year for a Davis Bertans + pick, or whatever, or let the market set his price and match or not.

[Seventyniner]

Was Isiah Thomas that bad with the Knicks? Honestly don't remember. Was it Phil Jackson who dealt out the bad Joakim Noah deals and stuff (but drafted Porzingis)? Part of the Knicks problem is the owner is terrible. But I remember Thomas drafting pretty well, way back to that year he picked Channing Frye, David Lee, and Nate Robinson.

wat

[gambit1990]

Was Isiah Thomas that bad with the Knicks?
all i know is the knicks were trash while isiah was there.

lol, but that's how the knicks were before and after.

[exstatic]

I really don't think the Warriors can trade Wiseman without getting something decent back (which isn't happening). They can't acknowledge the L just yet and he's honestly still in 'development.' There's still a chance that he shows. They're in an awkward place where saving face and the inkling of advancement have them paralyzed.

Sunk cost fallacy. Dean on Draft goes into it in detail on his website. If a shirt’s dirty, it’s dirty. He’s worse in his 3rd season than he was as a rookie. If they follow your path, they’ll be into a 4/$120M extension before you know it, for like a 10/5 guy, best case. I really admired and respected Sacto for dumping Bagley before getting to that point.

The return GS would get is $150M in salary and tax savings this year, and next. That ain’t nuthin. You don’t learn from your successes, you learn from your failures. Maybe Lacob slowly pushes his son out of the draft process going forward, after Wiseman and Kuminga in consecutive drafts.

[Mr. Body]

Sunk cost fallacy. Dean on Draft goes into it in detail on his website. If a shirt’s dirty, it’s dirty. He’s worse in his 3rd season than he was as a rookie. If they follow your path, they’ll be into a 4/$120M extension before you know it, for like a 10/5 guy, best case. I really admired and respected Sacto for dumping Bagley before getting to that point.

The return GS would get is $150M in salary and tax savings this year, and next. That ain’t nuthin. You don’t learn from your successes, you learn from your failures. Maybe Lacob slowly pushes his son out of the draft process going forward, after Wiseman and Kuminga in consecutive drafts.

For pure basketball reasons, try to trade him for another damaged prospect. For financial reasons, trade him just because. But this is a pride thing and I dont see the Lakob nepotistic braintrust trading him just yet without a return of... something.

[Mr. Body]

wat

Digging in, he was bad at roster construction, no disputing. But he was pretty strong as a drafter. If Suns keep his remit pretty clear he could work well, esp for a franchise that's been pretty bad in July.

Turns out Isiah Thomas Was Sort of a Good GM, According to New Study:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017954-turns-out-isiah-thomas-was-sort-of-a-good-gm-according-to-new-study#:~:text=The%20wildest%20takeaway%20is%20that ,no%20matter%20where%20he%20picked.

[exstatic]

For pure basketball reasons, try to trade him for another damaged prospect. For financial reasons, trade him just because. But this is a pride thing and I dont see the Lakob nepotistic braintrust trading him just yet without a return of... something.

The worst thing they could do is get a contract back, especially another damaged prospect. Kinda throws that $150M right out the window.

[Chinook]

Oh, I definitely wouldn't go in into this thinking that he has to be flipped to recover assets. The opposite. He's, big picture, an inexpensive flier in a rising cap environment, which, in my view, is the type of swing the small market Spurs should be taking. If it flop it flops, and even then Spurs are left with their next expiring contract to flip next year for a Davis Bertans + pick, or whatever, or let the market set his price and match or not.

As I said a couple of times, Wiseman's only an expiring (next year, not this year. This year still matters) if he's a complete bust. Most likely he'll remain intriguing enough to where the Spurs will want to retain him, like basically every high-lotto bust does. He's far more likely to be a long-term overpayment for a disappointing prospect than he is to be a one- (or rather two-) and-done guy. The Bagley situation shows that teams will fall into the trap of overpaying meh prospects even if they didn't draft them. The Spurs would be like, "Meh, we have a ton of cap so we may as well use some of it to see if Wiseman can develop by year six or seven". If the Spurs thinks there's a real chance that Wiseman is so bad that they won't want to retain him, he's not worth a flier. He's a suitcase full of burning money. The Spurs in that scenario should be compensated for disposing of it safely, not hoping they can put the fire out in time to make their money back.

[KingKev]

Digging in, he was bad at roster construction, no disputing. But he was pretty strong as a drafter. If Suns keep his remit pretty clear he could work well, esp for a franchise that's been pretty bad in July.

Turns out Isiah Thomas Was Sort of a Good GM, According to New Study:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017954-turns-out-isiah-thomas-was-sort-of-a-good-gm-according-to-new-study#:~:text=The%20wildest%20takeaway%20is%20that ,no%20matter%20where%20he%p20picked (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017954-turns-out-isiah-thomas-was-sort-of-a-good-gm-according-to-new-study#:~:text=The%20wildest%20takeaway%20is%20that ,no%20matter%20where%20he%20picked).

This has some merit. Raptors might not even exist if it wasn’t for his drafting in those early years.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Digging in, he was bad at roster construction, no disputing. But he was pretty strong as a drafter. If Suns keep his remit pretty clear he could work well, esp for a franchise that's been pretty bad in July.

Turns out Isiah Thomas Was Sort of a Good GM, According to New Study:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017954-turns-out-isiah-thomas-was-sort-of-a-good-gm-according-to-new-study#:~:text=The%20wildest%20takeaway%20is%20that ,no%20matter%20where%20he%20picked.

How good of a drafter could he have been when I don't think the Knicks ever signed one of his picks to a 2nd contract?

[Mr. Body]

How good of a drafter could he have been when I don't think the Knicks ever signed one of his picks to a 2nd contract?

It's a short article. Just read it.

He started in Toronto, took Damon Stoudamire with the 7, took Marcus Camby with 2, then Tracy McGrady at 9. As for the Knicks, that one draft class he got super high value out of the three players I mentioned before. Look to the ownership about why they never stuck with anybody.

[KingKev]

Spurs in the teedot to play our favourite trading partner the day before the NBA deadline…

Toronto has some great wine bars, I wonder if Coach Pop and Massai are going for dinner after the game? TD 21

[rankingtear]

Oh, I definitely wouldn't go in into this thinking that he has to be flipped to recover assets. The opposite. He's, big picture, an inexpensive flier in a rising cap environment, which, in my view, is the type of swing the small market Spurs should be taking. If it flop it flops, and even then Spurs are left with their next expiring contract to flip next year for a Davis Bertans + pick, or whatever, or let the market set his price and match or not.

I can't see how he makes it through camp if there is fair competition for his spot. He is a walking dead money if he ever goes into a camp battle with Bassey.

[Rocalcio]

another guy who doesn't like Pop's methods :lol

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His tweet doesn’t mean he’s fed up with Pop not playing him, it could just be the frustration of being in recovery, which is essential and can’t be shorten.

[KingKev]

another guy who doesn't like Pop's methods :lol

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Is Devin Anthony Vassell the new IG Baller? Can’t even spell “want to” correctly. This tweet was not very Spursy.

[R. DeMurre]

How good of a drafter could he have been when I don't think the Knicks ever signed one of his picks to a 2nd contract?


Having the eye and analytical ability to recognize talent in the draft and having the people skills to connect to players and keep them around can be two very different skills.

[heyheymymy]

Is Devin Anthony Vassell the new IG Baller? Can’t even spell “want to” correctly. This tweet was not very Spursy.

Uh Oh, notice the All Caps On Every New Word too?

Vass Nooooo!

[buttsR4rebounding]

So we should see a little pick up in trade activity this afternoon. Next 28 hours should be fun.

[exstatic]

So we should see a little pick up in trade activity this afternoon. Next 28 hours should be fun.

Probably small stuff. The big stuff almost always happens in the last few hours, unless a flat earther Nazi sympathizer is involved.

[KingKev]

Uh Oh, notice the All Caps On Every New Word too?

Vass Nooooo!

hahaha I think he just wants to get back on the court but it won’t take much for ST to turn on him and start saying he is a fake hood rat.

[RC_Drunkford]

His tweet doesn’t mean he’s fed up with Pop not playing him, it could just be the frustration of being in recovery, which is essential and can’t be shorten.

I'm obviously trolling since people here love to read into that kind of stuff, but only when it fits their agenda against certain players

[KingKev]

I'm obviously trolling since people here love to read into that kind of stuff, but only when it fits their agenda against certain players

His mom’s auntie unfollowed the Spurs

[JeffDuncan]

His tweet doesn’t mean he’s fed up with Pop not playing him, it could just be the frustration of being in recovery, which is essential and can’t be shorten.


Vassell’s knee surgery was on January 6th iirc. Recovery roughly estimated at 6 to 8 weeks. I guess he may be more than halfway through the recovery.

Pop not play him?? Pop CAN’T play him, he’s recovering from knee surgery.

The tweet only says he’s itching to play again.

[heyheymymy]

Los Angeles Lakers (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) guard Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook) and coach Darvin Ham had a brief, heated verbal exchange in the locker room during halftime of Tuesday night's game against the Oklahoma City Thunder (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder), sources told ESPN.

[RC_Drunkford]

Westbrook is my favorite Laker ever and it ain't even close. I wish he had a longer contract

[heyheymymy]

I wish he had a longer contract

lol

[Ariel]

Los Angeles Lakers (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) guard Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook) and coach Darvin Ham had a brief, heated verbal exchange in the locker room during halftime of Tuesday night's game against the Oklahoma City Thunder (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder), sources told ESPN.
McDermott + Richardson + Dedmon for Westbrook + unprotected first. Come on Ham, push for it.

[barakz21]

Westbrook is my favorite Laker ever and it ain't even close. I wish he had a longer contract

Same. I actually got a Russ Laker jersey because of how he single-handedly got me watching Laker games.

[spurs10]

McDermott + Richardson + Dedmon for Westbrook + unprotected first. Come on Ham, push for it. 25 hours!

[LeBowen]

McDermott + Richardson + Dedmon for Westbrook + unprotected first. Come on Ham, push for it.

Make it Doug+JRich+Jakob for both their unprotected firsts or no deal.

I'd rather lose JRich for nothing than help the Lakers.

[CGD]

Make it Doug+JRich+Jakob for both their unprotected firsts or no deal.

I'd rather lose JRich for nothing than help the Lakers.

They aren’t parting with both picks. I like the Richardson + Douglas + Dedmon for one of them though. Get Bron his lasers

[heyheymymy]

CGD with consistently realistic deal mocks

nice

[LeBowen]

They aren’t parting with both picks. I like the Richardson + Douglas + Dedmon for one of them though. Get Bron his lasers

I know they aren't parting with both picks, that's why I suggested the trade. :lol

Giving the Lakers an easy way out from Westbrook would be horrible from every hater's perspective.

[Mr. Body]

Seems like things have slowed down because of Kevin Durant. Word is Brooklyn is changing their tune about a trade of him right now.

Kevin Durant. Goddamn, man. The biggest beta whiner the league has seen. And I can see him going to Toronto or absorbing a lot of those salaries SAS might have been involved in.

[exstatic]

Seems like things have slowed down because of Kevin Durant. Word is Brooklyn is changing their tune about a trade of him right now.

Kevin Durant. Goddamn, man. The biggest beta whiner the league has seen. And I can see him going to Toronto or absorbing a lot of those salaries SAS might have been involved in.

The only team in the NBA that can absorb a lot of salary is us. Anyone else has to match.

[Rocalcio]

Vassell’s knee surgery was on January 6th iirc. Recovery roughly estimated at 6 to 8 weeks. I guess he may be more than halfway through the recovery.

Pop not play him?? Pop CAN’T play him, he’s recovering from knee surgery.

The tweet only says he’s itching to play again.

That’s what I said yes ��

[JeffDuncan]

That’s what I said yes ��


Yes you did, and I support you 100%.

[Ariel]

I know they aren't parting with both picks, that's why I suggested the trade. :lol

Giving the Lakers an easy way out from Westbrook would be horrible from every hater's perspective.
I was a Laker hater before I was a Spurs' fan, but if something is to our benefit, it needs to get done even if it also works for the Lakers. Besides, if anyone thinks McDermott + Richardson get them to true contender status, they're smoking crack.

[Mr. Body]

Lakers aren't going to win shit. My interest is more to ensure the Pelicans don't get Wembanyama.

[LeBowen]

I was a Laker hater before I was a Spurs' fan, but if something is to our benefit, it needs to get done even if it also works for the Lakers. Besides, if anyone thinks McDermott + Richardson get them to true contender status, they're smoking crack.

Nah, they'll be awful regardless. I just love seeing their entire fanbase meltdown game after game, as if it's all Westbrook's fault.

[TheChillFactor]

Lakers aren't going to win shit. My interest is more to ensure the Pelicans don't get Wembanyama.

If we don't get him, that's where I want him to go. It would be fantastic to watch the Lakers bite their pillow for 20 years like the Celtics did with Duncan.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It appears that Lakers might be getting D'Angelo Russell back, sending Westbrook and a pick to Utah, with Conley going to Minnesota. Love it for Utah and Minnesota.

[Chinook]

Unless they intend to give Russell an extension, it feels rough for the Lakers. I like it well enough for Minny.

[RC_Drunkford]

absolutely idiotic trade for the Timberwolves. D-Lo's contract is expiring, Conley is 35 and has another year of 24 million on his contract. Makes 0 sense

[LeBowen]

Ainge is going to fleece both Lakers and Timberwolves in one trade. :lmao

[cd98]

Wait! Westbrook going to Utah where he had that nasty interaction with a fan that is now banned? That will be entertaining.

[Mr. Body]

absolutely idiotic trade for the Timberwolves. D-Lo's contract is expiring, Conley is 35 and has another year of 24 million on his contract. Makes 0 sense

Conley is like the Rancor Keeper and Gobert is the Rancor.

[cd98]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/sports/russell-westbrook-utah-fan.html

Who is this worse for? Westbook gets traded as basically a throw away contract that needs an unprotected first round pick to for the Lakers to get rid of him or the Jazz fans that have hated on Westbrook for years being forced to watch him chuck without abandon and play their overachieving team out of the playoff picture.

[LeBowen]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/sports/russell-westbrook-utah-fan.html

Who is this worse for? Westbook gets traded as basically a throw away contract that needs an unprotected first round pick to for the Lakers to get rid of him or the Jazz fans that have hated on Westbrook for years being forced to watch him chuck without abandon and play their overachieving team out of the playoff picture.

Jazz can just DNP or waive him, they don't care, they just want the pick.

TWolves are getting into bad enough to get relocated territory. Just disgusting.

Lakers being incompetent is expected.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/sports/russell-westbrook-utah-fan.html

Who is this worse for? Westbook gets traded as basically a throw away contract that needs an unprotected first round pick to for the Lakers to get rid of him or the Jazz fans that have hated on Westbrook for years being forced to watch him chuck without abandon and play their overachieving team out of the playoff picture.

He won't play a minute for the Jazz. Probably won't even need to fly there. It's not Westbrook they're trading for, it's his contract and the draft compensation that comes with it.

[Mr. Body]

Minny has wanted to get off DLo for a while now. Conley would be a steadying influence on the court, but he's so old and what's the plan thereafter?

[Texas_Ranger]

when Westbrick becomes a free agent, lets see who picks him up. Whoever does, will be by far the most retarded team in the NBA.

[Mr. Body]

when Westbrick becomes a free agent, lets see who picks him up. Whoever does, will be by far the most retarded team in the NBA.

I don't even know who he'd be good for. Theoretically a charge of energy off the bench somewhere? Phoenix?

Honestly, as long as you don't have him closing out games -- him with the ball in last possessions is amazing to see -- he's not been utterly terrible for a while off the bench. The Lakers' problem is a crap supporting cast and an awful, fragile, lazy Anthony Davis.

[TD 21]

Makes sense for all three teams . . .

Lakers gets youngish veterans, two of whom can shoot, one of which can also create and a versatile front court defender/rebounder.

They won't sniff championship contention, but this threads the needle about as well as possible and gives them pseudo puncher's chance to "go on a run".

Timberwolves get steady veteran hand to "run" the team and get out from having to either extend Russell or have a gaping hole at PG (no cap space or assets).

Jazz get more draft capital.

The only "loser" is Westbrook, who's career is probably on the verge of being over.

[Texas_Ranger]

I don't even know who he'd be good for. Theoretically a charge of energy off the bench somewhere? Phoenix?

Honestly, as long as you don't have him closing out games -- him with the ball in last possessions is amazing to see -- he's not been utterly terrible for a while off the bench. The Lakers' problem is a crap supporting cast and an awful, fragile, lazy Anthony Davis.

well, that would be a problem, as he would wanna be in the game. The guy has too big of an ego, to realize he's not that guy anymore (if he even ever was). So i don't think a playoff team would even want to risk it. Perhaps someone like Chicago, as they don't have a pg now, that Lonzo is injured, but idk... He's just not worth it.

[Mr. Body]

well, that would be a problem, as he would wanna be in the game. The guy has too big of an ego, to realize he's not that guy anymore (if he even ever was). So i don't think a playoff team would even want to risk it. Perhaps someone like Chicago, as they don't have a pg now, that Lonzo is injured, but idk... He's just not worth it.

LAC tried John Wall, whose ego was too big and he sucked. Why not try Westbrook?

[Ariel]

I don't like the trade for the Lakers or Minnesota if they give up assets. But maybe it's me being pi$$ed, :lol

[baseline bum]

I don't get that at all for Minnesota. Conley is so washed.

[Ariel]

It's incredible that Tim Connelly is the same guy who built Denver around Jokic, MPJ, Gordon and Murray, who drafted Bones Hyland, is now DESTROYING the T-Wolves in this way.
If this goes through and they give up further assets, it'd be difficult to find a worse series of moves in such a short time frame.

[heyheymymy]

I would prob do Danilo Gallinari and Peyton Prichard + pick considerations for Poeltl

I think we decided that Nilo returning to the Spurs was trade legal, right?

[TD 21]

It's incredible that Tim Connelly is the same guy who built Denver around Jokic, MPJ, Gordon and Murray, who drafted Bones Hyland, is now DESTROYING the T-Wolves in this way.
If this goes through and they give up further assets, it'd be difficult to find a worse series of moves in such a short time frame.

Yeah, it's almost like the job is mostly about luck or something . . .

Russell is a lightning rod and I'm no fan, but it always comes back to context and in the situation the Lakers have put themselves in, as I said this is probably about the best they can do.

[heyheymymy]

@KeithSmithNBA Danilo Gallinari can be traded to the Spurs. It's a bit of a loophole: SA couldn't re-sign Gallinari. But they can reacquire him via trade after waiving him, because he signed with another team. It's a weird situation, but the takeaway is Gallo can be traded to SA...again.

[cd98]

Makes sense for all three teams . . .

Lakers gets youngish veterans, two of whom can shoot, one of which can also create and a versatile front court defender/rebounder.

They won't sniff championship contention, but this threads the needle about as well as possible and gives them pseudo puncher's chance to "go on a run".

Timberwolves get steady veteran hand to "run" the team and get out from having to either extend Russell or have a gaping hole at PG (no cap space or assets).

Jazz get more draft capital.

The only "loser" is Westbrook, who's career is probably on the verge of being over.

Well the weird thing is people are saying the Jazz drop Westbrook once they get him in the trade. But the Jazz are in the 10 spot and are only two losses from being top 4-5. If a playoff team doesn't want Westbrook, who would? Especially when Jazz are trading their point guard.

[gambit1990]

just curious as to where russ ends up.

[scott]

I was told all these trades required our involvement... but here we are, watching from the sidelines.

[Ariel]

Utah was always a possibility, the difference being LA needs to take back a lot of salary, as opposed to dumping (most of) Westbrook's contract. If that's the way they're going, they can trade with pretty much the entire league, as long as they find a willing partner.

[scott]

Utah was always a possibility, the difference being LA needs to take back a lot of salary, as opposed to dumping (most of) Westbrook's contract. If that's the way they're going, they can trade with pretty much the entire league, as long as they find a willing partner.

Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.

[TD 21]

Well the weird thing is people are saying the Jazz drop Westbrook once they get him in the trade. But the Jazz are in the 10 spot and are only two losses from being top 4-5. If a playoff team doesn't want Westbrook, who would? Especially when Jazz are trading their point guard.

No reason they'd want a net negative player who'd almost certainly be a malcontent (if he even agreed to report, which is highly unlikely).

They'd also still be fine in terms of shot creation. Depending on the exact trade, all this would do is clear up the back court log jam, paving the way for Sexton to start and Horton-Tucker or Alexander-Walker to be inserted into the rotation.

[scott]

Elon broke twitter during the last 24 hours of the trade deadline. Good fucking luck getting news now :lol

[Ariel]

Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.
Great trades happen when you're able to provide something no one else is capable or willing to, and someone craves desperately. Those conditions are mostly outside of our control, and difficult to predict. In this case, the Spurs do have those assets (cap space, available starting center), but unfortunately buyers at this particular time don't appear to have the sense of urgency required for us to hold them for ransom. We got lucky last season, this one not so much it appears.

[DPG21920]

Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.

It’s why my deals always had Sa getting one good pick. Yes, the cap space is valuable but never the only path. Teams balance saving money and other things and can’t overplay your hand

[KingKev]

Great trades happen when you're able to provide something no one else is capable or willing to, and someone craves desperately. Those conditions are mostly outside of our control, and difficult to predict. In this case, the Spurs do have those assets (cap space, available starting center), but unfortunately buyers at this particular time don't appear to have the sense of urgency required for us to hold them for ransom. We got lucky last season, this one not so much it appears.

That really is the case unfortunately. We finally found NBA parity in terms of competition but draft capital and horrible contracts/buyout candidates are scarce.

I suspect the 2022-23 Spurs are all getting a 500k bonus.

[DPG21920]

Minny is incompetent

[Mr. Body]

I don't think any of this matters a ton. Lakers might make the playoffs.

[Ariel]

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ESPN Sources: The Lakers are finalizing deal to land Minnesota’s D’Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt in trade including Mike Conley and picks to Timberwolves and Russell Westbrook and a lightly protected 2027 LA first-round pick to Jazz.
Also in deal: Juan Toscano-Anderson and Damian Jones to Jazz, Nickeil Alexander-Walker to the Timberwolves, sources said.
Minnesota gets 2024 lesser of Washington-Memphis second round pick and 2025 and 2026 second-round picks via Utah, sources tell ESPN.
The Lakers' 2027 first-round pick to the Jazz is protected 1-to-4, source tells ESPN.
The Jazz have assembled a massive package of assets -- including 15 unprotected or lightly protected first-round picks through 2029 and a young core of Lauri Markkanen, Walker Kesslier, Collin Sexton and Ochai Agbaji and $60M-plus in potential cap space.

[BacktoBasics]

Not a horrible move by the Lakers. Not great. Just not horrible. Westbrook is addition by subtraction.

[Ariel]

Basically Minnesota gets a few seconds + washed up Conley in exchange for D'Angelo Russell. At least they don't give up much value.
I don't like DLo, but the Lakers at least got rid of Westbrook and landed Malik Beasley for shooting and Vanderbilt as a young wing defender. It's a better package than we could have put together, and the price of a single pick, top 4 protected is better than expected.
The Jazz sold for the best offer they could find, and now steer their tanking ship to Wemby Land.

[Mr. Body]

It's actually not horrible for the TWolves. Conley will help for a couple of seasons. DLo is sort of a headcase. Not great, not terrible.

[Ariel]

It's actually not horrible for the TWolves. Conley will help for a couple of seasons. DLo is sort of a headcase. Not great, not terrible.
Yeah. After the Gobert debacle anything that doesn't mortgage their future is acceptable.

[Mr. Body]

Honeslty the Wolves need to trade KAT. That dude ain't gonna do shit in this league.

[KingKev]

Local media outlets here in Toronto are reporting Massai and Pop had lunch today at Harbour 60. TMZ is reporting a man wearing a custom Spurs jersey numbered 2, with the name “Scumbag” was arrested for taunting both Massai and Coach Pop.

The assaulter was defined as looking like a cross between Kim Jong Un, a yellow M&M and the ROFL emojii. He was screaming that the 2019 Raptors title was a “pseudo championship” while ROFL. :lmao :lmao TD 21

[Dverde]

I gotta hand it to the Lakers on two solid trades. DLo ain’t great, but he’s an upgrade to Westbrook.

[spurraider21]

lakers got a hell of a deal. minnesota is laughably incompetent. they felt it was worth it to downgrade from d-russ to washed conley (who they have to pay 24 ml to next season) in exchange for trash and some second rounders? lmao

[barakz21]

Man, what a bummer. Good trade for the Lakers, bad for us as fans. Brodie made the Lakers fun to watch.

[Robz4000]

lakers got a hell of a deal. minnesota is laughably incompetent

Honestly worked out better for them than if they got Flat Earther tbh.

:lol watch them still miss the playoffs

[The Truth #6]

Local media outlets here in Toronto are reporting Massai and Pop had lunch today at Harbour 60. TMZ is reporting a man wearing a custom Spurs jersey numbered 2, with the name “Scumbag” was arrested for taunting both Massai and Coach Pop.

The assaulter was defined as looking like a cross between Kim Jong Un, a yellow M&M and the ROFL emojii. He was screaming that the 2019 Raptors title was a “pseudo championship” while ROFL. :lmao :lmao TD 21

This is hilarious. TD21’s issues with Massai (a black GM!) elude me.

[DPG21920]

Minny trades Wiggins and a great first for DLO. Then you trade all those picks for Rudy to compete & then trade DLO for a worse player with extra money on their deal next year who both hurts your salary cap comparatively and your on court ability to win after going all in for gobert. For a 2nd round pick?! Incompetence

[DPG21920]

Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

[Mr. Body]

Minny trades Wiggins and a great first for DLO. Then you trade all those picks for Rudy to compete & then trade DLO for a worse player with extra money on their deal next year who both hurts your salary cap comparatively and your on court ability to win after going all in for gobert. For a 2nd round pick?! Incompetence

Minnesota has the worst winning percentage of any NBA franchise for a reason.

[mo7888]

Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

I've never seen a protection like that...very interesting...

[KingKev]

I've never seen a protection like that...very interesting...

Tells you LA is expecting to be dogshit soon as LBJ retires.

[Seventyniner]

I've never seen a protection like that...very interesting...

It lets the Lakers trade their 2029 first if they want to.

[stnick2261]

Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

So it’s basically 2027 pick #5-34? I wouldn’t mind picks like those.

[Robz4000]

Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

Never would've accepted that if I were the Jazz tbh.

[DPG21920]

Never would've accepted that if I were the Jazz tbh.

Why? It’s basically the same deal I outlined for Spurs but sub Doug’s deal for Conley and Vandy/Beasley for Josh/Collins. UTA not only gets a shot at a lottery pick but they cleared 14M off their books and not a single player they gave that can’t be replaced by an MLE level player easily. No brainer trade IMO

[Mr. Body]

Josh Hart from Portland to NYK for Cam Reddish and a protected first.

[Robz4000]

Why? It’s basically the same deal I outlined for Spurs but sub Doug’s deal for Conley and Vandy/Beasley for Josh/Collins. UTA not only gets a shot at a lottery pick but they cleared 14M off their books and not a single player they gave that can’t be replaced by an MLE level player easily. No brainer trade IMO

If the Lakers are trash in '27 the league is absolutely rigging the draft for them tbh. That pick feels destined not to convey.

[DPG21920]

If the Lakers are trash in '27 the league is absolutely rigging the draft for them tbh. That pick feels destined not to convey.

Worst case scenario is they dumped 15M in Conley money when he’s average to below average at best and aging for 2nd round pick. If thats the downside? It’s a no brainer. They wont miss Beasley or Vand at all big picture and at least get a shot at a lottery pick for salary dumping Conley. It’s a great trade for UTA overall with no downside IMO (even if limited upside to a degree)

[DPG21920]

Josh Hart from Portland to NYK for Cam Reddish and a protected first.

Hoping this bodes well for Richardson, Doug and Jak value.

[Mr. Body]

Hoping this bodes well for Richardson, Doug and Jak value.

I mean, it should... but there's Eric Gordon, Bogdanovic also out there and I'm not sure there's a lot of picks. I don't doubt teams want these shooters though.

[timtonymanu]

Lakers can still make the playoffs but DLo isn’t solving AD’s fragile issues or making LeBron 5 years younger.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah this is pretty good lemonade the lakers made. Only sent out one FRP to dump WBs juggernaught albatross contract

[DPG21920]

Spurs missing out on the WB for a pick sweepstake sucks tbh…it really does. I only hope that it was because they have deals they value more lined up and not because they drew some stupid line in the sand out or principle and just missed out.

[rascal]

It's looking more and more likely the Spurs do nothing.

[mo7888]

It's looking more and more likely the Spurs do nothing.

No it's not...

[rascal]

No it's not...

If they do it's going to be something very minor.

[PhantomDashCam]

IMHO, Too much smoke around Poeltl for something not to occur...which usually means the incumbent, (in this case Zach C) should start packing...

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs will do a few or a couple moves, definitely. Question is size. It seems clear there are teams jockeying for the stretch run.

[R. DeMurre]

I haven't been a Pelinka fan these last few years, but have to admit he did a pretty good job here adding Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Beasley and D-Lo, while shedding Westbrook and only one future lightly protected FRP. Lebron now has a starting backcourt in D-Lo and Beasley who can both hit threes, and a good active defender in Vanderbilt. It's probably not enough to get very deep in the playoffs, but they're definitely a better and deeper team. Ainge cleared away over $50 mil from Utah's books next year, giving them ultimate flexibility, but I'm surprised he didn't get more draft compensation, or at least a single young prospect.

[PhantomDashCam]

Cool reaction from Jalen Brunson on finding out about the Josh Hart trade. They played together in college:

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