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Twisted_Dawg
02-08-2023, 11:49 PM
These Laker fucks always seem to land on their feet, eh?

Mr. Body
02-08-2023, 11:56 PM
They might make the playoffs this year.

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02-08-2023, 11:58 PM
Honeslty the Wolves need to trade KAT. That dude ain't gonna do shit in this league.

Except for dropping 50 pieces on the Spurs and our excellent team defense

barakz21
02-09-2023, 12:00 AM
These Laker fucks always seem to land on their feet, eh?

It’s all good, they went 10 years between titles (and the most recent one was an asterisk), and they missed the POs for 6 years straight, and possibly 2 more straight misses.

poopbox
02-09-2023, 12:21 AM
Spurs missing out on the WB for a pick sweepstake sucks tbh…it really does. I only hope that it was because they have deals they value more lined up and not because they drew some stupid line in the sand out or principle and just missed out.

Of course they did. We held on to all this cap space primarily to get involved in that westbrook deal and it never happened:rollin

Dverde
02-09-2023, 12:31 AM
Mavs win is good. Warriors need to add something.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:33 AM
MEM, CLIPS even LA still need to add players. TOR, BOS any team serious does.

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02-09-2023, 12:43 AM
Lakers can still make the playoffs but DLo isn’t solving AD’s fragile issues or making LeBron 5 years younger.

This. Very surprised this is being viewed in a positive manner on this board and elsewhere. There are still major issues with the Lakers' roster and DLo is averaging the most minutes of his career yet only the 4th most points. For every big game he has a shit game. He's relatively easy to man up and no longer gets easy buckets at the rim as he did a few years ago. He's a traffic cone defensively. He's a net zero player as far as impacting a winning team.

Malik Beasely used to be a 6th man candidate. Now he is not even averaging 40% FG% on more than 12 shots a game. If Will Hardy was ready to part ways with him, it underscores my view that he's not a plus player.

Neither one of those guys in DLo and Beasely are worthy of a FRP even in light of moving Westbrook off your roster for the remaing 27 games or whatever considering he was completely off the books then. If they choose to keep Beasely beyond this year he carries a ~$16.5M tag which is ridiculously high given his 13ppg average, along with lower than expected rebound/asist numbers for a guy averaging 27mpg (3rd most in his career).

Point being, this is a bunch of blah even if it goes through.

Throw in the turmoil with AD clearly unhappy and you've still got a team with a ceiling of fighting for a play-in spot.

Jordan Jackson
02-09-2023, 01:01 AM
With the Westbrook deal no longer an option. I’d look to the Warriors. I think they need to dump Wiseman’s contract. He’s not very good but if the Warriors had any draft capital to send out with him - wouldn’t be a bad option.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:08 AM
Looks like Acne to Phoenix per Shams

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Jordan Jackson
02-09-2023, 01:08 AM
Wow. Durant traded to Suns.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:11 AM
Wow. Durant traded to Suns.

Didn't even give up Ayton nor Paul.

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Robz4000
02-09-2023, 01:16 AM
That trade is gonna blow up in their faces tbh.

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02-09-2023, 01:16 AM
Hey but we got Birch and a protected FRPin just in the knick of time to stay irrelevant before this news broke.

Maybe we should offer Westbrook a multi year contract after hes bought out by Utah now to get back in the news

objective
02-09-2023, 01:17 AM
Marks does a win now move with Irving but now punts on KD.

Sad

cd98
02-09-2023, 01:19 AM
Marks was in a bind. He did a good job until Irving and Hardin destroyed the team.

cd98
02-09-2023, 01:20 AM
Well Suns deal might hurt in the long run, but they just moved into the favorites if Durant stays healthy. That’s a damn good team.

timtonymanu
02-09-2023, 01:22 AM
With how weak the West looks, Phoenix has to be the favorite to make the finals now?

BatManu20
02-09-2023, 01:22 AM
Rockets just lucked out. They own all of Brooklyn’s draft capital for the next 3-4 years.

td4mvp2k
02-09-2023, 01:22 AM
suns taken to the barn :lol

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:23 AM
Marks does a win now move with Irving but now punts on KD.

Sad

That unprotected 2029 pick is going to be nice as hell when Doncic walks in '26 after Kyrie goes Kyrie again.

Robz4000
02-09-2023, 01:23 AM
Rockets just lucked out. They own all of Brooklyn’s draft capital for the next 3-4 years.

:lol if they also land Wemby

timtonymanu
02-09-2023, 01:24 AM
Marks was in a bind. He did a good job until Irving and Hardin destroyed the team.


Marks does a win now move with Irving but now punts on KD.

Sad

Seriously that 2019 team with DLo, Jarrett Allen, Dinwiddie, Lavert, etc.

Wasn't a title contender, but had a solid group of players. it turns out the KD/Kyrie/Harden saga didn't even finish much better either.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:25 AM
Well Suns deal might hurt in the long run, but they just moved into the favorites if Durant stays healthy. That’s a damn good team.

Well at least this time Durant only joined a 64 win team instead of a 73 win one.

BatManu20
02-09-2023, 01:26 AM
:lol if they also land Wemby

Sounds about right tbh.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:27 AM
Rockets just lucked out. They own all of Brooklyn’s draft capital for the next 3-4 years.

But hey we got Keldon when our star acted like a faggot and forced his way out.

slick'81
02-09-2023, 01:30 AM
But hey we got Keldon when our star acted like a faggot and forced his way out.


and a couple 2nd round picks

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02-09-2023, 01:37 AM
Rockets just lucked out. They own all of Brooklyn’s draft capital for the next 3-4 years.

Indeed. Their draft should be set, or they have all the capital to go after the next big free agent. Or a combination of both. Not forgetting they already have so e solid players. I'm really high on Sengun and Eason.

cd98
02-09-2023, 01:39 AM
Suns May give up enough for Nets to put together a playoff team that has a bunch of pretty good players.

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02-09-2023, 01:40 AM
But hey we got Keldon when our star acted like a faggot and forced his way out.

Everyday that goes by I wish PATFO had pissed off the NBA world and made that SOB sit out that season without pay. He would have never rung.

He'd probably be on the Lakers though and on triple repeat LOBs by now though. Fuck that fool.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:41 AM
Everyday that goes by I wish PATFO had pissed off the NBA world and made that SOB sit out that season without pay. He would have never rung.

He'd probably be on the Lakers though and on triple repeat LOBs by now though. Fuck that fool.

Mute didn't want to play with LeBron, that's why he played the Lakers hard and caused them to miss out on every free agent that summer before joining the Clippers. But yeah might as well just suspended that faggot for the season.

cd98
02-09-2023, 01:42 AM
Bridges, Johnson, and Crowder with Dinwittie and Smith plus what they got could be an 8 seed. Probably not less than a 10 seed. And with upcoming draft capital and possible cap space, they won’t be bad for 4 years in a row.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 01:43 AM
Suns May give up enough for Nets to put together a playoff team that has a bunch of pretty good players.

Bridges, Cam Johnson, Dinwiddie, and Ben Simmons ain't a playoff team.

R. DeMurre
02-09-2023, 01:44 AM
This flurry of activity does show how valuable draft picks far in the future can be, and how dramatically the league changes in half a decade plus. Six years ago, Hassan Whiteside led the NBA in rebounding, Isaiah Thomas was 2nd Team All NBA, Andre Roberson and Tony Allen made the All Defensive 2nd Team, and Joel Embiid, Brandon Ingram, and Jaylen Brown were rookies...

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 01:47 AM
Leverage & Flexibility. We saved 3 million this year and picked up three more picks ( we draft pretty well ). Let’s sit back and watch:)

timtonymanu
02-09-2023, 01:48 AM
:lol Durbeta

Would be a ringless faggot if not for the warriors.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:49 AM
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The Nets are expected to explore trade scenarios for Jae Crowder ahead of today's 3 PM ET deadline, sources tell ESPN.

cd98
02-09-2023, 01:51 AM
Bridges, Cam Johnson, Dinwiddie, and Ben Simmons ain't a playoff team.

Those are talented players. Who knows how they will be when their roles are enlarged. But they are 4-5 place in East and determined to make a playoff run with no incentive to tank and a lot of dysfunctional and subpar teams below them. I’d bet they are in top 10 in the East. No shot to win, but be in the 4 seed playin? I could see it. They’ve overachieved with no name players in the past.

cjw
02-09-2023, 02:03 AM
Leverage & Flexibility. We saved 3 million this year and picked up three more picks ( we draft pretty well ). Let’s sit back and watch:)

Back to $25 million under the cap. We will pick up more assets tomorrow as we’re the only dumping ground around and more teams will be trying to maneuver under the tax than can get there. It may just be a bunch of second rounders, but we’ll see.

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 02:03 AM
Great time to get Ben!

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 02:04 AM
:lol Durbeta

Would be a ringless faggot if not for the warriors.

:lol Dude is talented but is such an insecure diva.

Can't wait until some reporter asks how he feels as a part of Booker's team.

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 02:05 AM
Back to $25 million under the cap. We will pick up more assets tomorrow as we’re the only dumping ground around and more teams will be trying to maneuver under the tax than can get there. It may just be a bunch of second rounders, but we’ll see.

This is a master class…..

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:08 AM
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Toronto's talks on forward O.G. Anunoby are rolling into the final hours of the trade deadline. The landing of Kevin Durant with the Suns could escalate Anunoby's value among Western Conference teams pursuing an elite forward to defend Durant.

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02-09-2023, 02:14 AM
Back to $25 million under the cap. We will pick up more assets tomorrow as we’re the only dumping ground around and more teams will be trying to maneuver under the tax than can get there. It may just be a bunch of second rounders, but we’ll see.

We have so many 2nd rounders now as to be utterly fucking useless.

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02-09-2023, 02:17 AM
Great time to get Ben!

For what? His value is absolute shit. His production is absolute shit. His confidence is absolute shit.

No thank you. Unless they want to send us multiple FRPs too. Let the idiots of the world pay for their idiocy of signing these guys to these horrible contracts.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:21 AM
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Nets gets unprotected picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, source tells ESPN.

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BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 02:23 AM
Everyone expected a quiet deadline and it's been awesome so far. So many deals done early suggests there'll be a lot movement still.

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02-09-2023, 02:44 AM
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Nets gets unprotected picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, source tells ESPN.

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They just ate the Suns lunch. Good for Bkln and Marks because they are bent over a barrel with Houston for Harden. This gets them back to a place where those Houston picks might not hurt so badly.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 02:45 AM
They just ate the Suns lunch. Good for Bkln and Marks because they are bent over a barrel with Houston for Harden. This gets them back to a place where those Houston picks might not hurt so badly.

If I were BKY, I would immediately call HOU and offer up Bridges for 2-3 of our picks back. HOU gets someone with actual game, who plays defense and fits their core but still gets a few extra picks

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 03:38 AM
Btw with more info on the LAL-Utah-Minny deal, it sure seems like Utah got the short end of it - they're trading 3 rotation players and 3 seconds for a top 4 protected first, which turns into 2nds immediately. I would have imagined them getting more value for their players on separate deals, but I guess that 2027 Lakers pick was that important for Ainge.

I like it for Minnesota. They need a steady hand and a locker room leader. They were going nowhere with DLo and it's not like they could have just let him expire and replaced with someone good in the summer. Conley will make them a better team.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 03:46 AM
If I were BKY, I would immediately call HOU and offer up Bridges for 2-3 of our picks back. HOU gets someone with actual game, who plays defense and fits their core but still gets a few extra picks

If I was Houston I'd laugh and hang up. That 2024 pick is going to be gold when Brooklyn is already capped out for the 2023-24 season plus they'll need to throw a long term contract at Cameron Johnson this summer too. Ain't gonna win much when Mikal Bridges is the best player on your team and those Phoenix picks aren't going to be good for shit until CP0 and Durant break down in a couple of years. They're going to be battling our Spurs for lotto balls next year.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 03:48 AM
Btw with more info on the LAL-Utah-Minny deal, it sure seems like Utah got the short end of it - they're trading 3 rotation players and 3 seconds for a top 4 protected first, which turns into 2nds immediately. I would have imagined them getting more value for their players on separate deals, but I guess that 2027 Lakers pick was that important for Ainge.

I like it for Minnesota. They need a steady hand and a locker room leader. They were going nowhere with DLo and it's not like they could have just let him expire and replaced with someone good in the summer. Conley will make them a better team.

Wow WTF Ainge is a retard, Lakers are going to be dogshit in '26-'27 so good chance he loses that first.

mo7888
02-09-2023, 06:43 AM
For what? His value is absolute shit. His production is absolute shit. His confidence is absolute shit.

No thank you. Unless they want to send us multiple FRPs too. Let the idiots of the world pay for their idiocy of signing these guys to these horrible contracts.

I'd take him on for that 2025 or 2027 unprotected 1st from Phoenix..

CGD
02-09-2023, 08:39 AM
Holy cow, I wake up and KD has been traded! Wow. Oh and Jakob too.

poopbox
02-09-2023, 08:48 AM
We have so many 2nd rounders now as to be utterly fucking useless.

They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 2nd rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't go down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 09:08 AM
If I was Houston I'd laugh and hang up. That 2024 pick is going to be gold when Brooklyn is already capped out for the 2023-24 season plus they'll need to throw a long term contract at Cameron Johnson this summer too. Ain't gonna win much when Mikal Bridges is the best player on your team and those Phoenix picks aren't going to be good for shit until CP0 and Durant break down in a couple of years. They're going to be battling our Spurs for lotto balls next year.

They are not a bottom out team. I dont think it’s gold. You keep a few of the BKY picks but actually improve your team.

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02-09-2023, 09:20 AM
They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 1st rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't get down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.

And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

Ariel
02-09-2023, 09:23 AM
They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 1st rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't get down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.
This is a good point. I don't like 2nd rounders unless they're fairly high (below 35 or 40, depending on the year), they're almost always worthless and can be had for money. But, they can be used as lubricant for other deals. It's just that at some point you have to start SENDING THEM OUT, instead of TAKING THEM ALL IN. But if we use them to jump into the later first round in '23, something to that effect, then they'll be worth it.

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 09:23 AM
And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

we don't use 2nd round picks to draft players. We use them to flip them into late firsts by moving up. Spurs could move a 2nd with J-Rich and turn that into another first in this years draft

Sugus
02-09-2023, 09:32 AM
And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

What does the context for the Lakers' or Dallas' trades have to do with the very real point Poopbox was trying to make, though? Both teams were clearly aware of the situation they were putting themselves in when they pulled those trades; it's unrelated to us what happens with them. The fact remains that those 2nd rounders got the trades done, when without them, other teams' comparable offers might've seemed better.

Second round picks are as far from "fucking useless" as bishops on a chess board - only bad to those who don't know how to utilize them.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 09:33 AM
Early 2nds have pretty nice value. I wouldn't write them off. Sure, the hit percentage on them is not too high, but there are almost always nice players in that area, especially nowadays when players enter the draft so young and raw. A Trayce-Jackson Davis is absolutely worth an early SRP or that big dude for Arizona.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 09:35 AM
I think this board is discounting early SRPs because this board has for some stupid reason totally turned on Tre Jones at this point. And who knows fucking why.

Sugus
02-09-2023, 09:36 AM
we don't use 2nd round picks to draft players. We use them to flip them into late firsts by moving up. Spurs could move a 2nd with J-Rich and turn that into another first in this years draft

Exactly. We've done this move in the past and, combined with the Spurs' drafting and scouting prowess (which has ironically had better results in the late first round than the lottery in recent years, Sochan notwithstanding), it's a major advantage for the Spurs.

Easy to forget that Dejounte, White, Keldon were all #29 picks, and the Spurs got back significantly more draft capital from trading two of the three than they ever spent drafting them in the first place.

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 09:39 AM
Early 2nds have pretty nice value. I wouldn't write them off. Sure, the hit percentage on them is not too high, but there are almost always nice players in that area, especially nowadays when players enter the draft so young and raw. A Trayce-Jackson Davis is absolutely worth an early SRP or that big dude for Arizona.

Yeah, every draft has at least a couple of second rounders who become solid NBA players.


But we're also in the territory where we got too many of those decent prospects, we need a couple of guys who can become really good.
All of these smaller trades are irrelevant in the bigger picture. One or two more picks in 25-30 range won't change a thing if we don't get lucky in the lottery.

Like noone will care if we have a couple more players on Tre's level if we land Wemby or Scoot. That becomes irrelevant. You need a star to build the team.

exstatic
02-09-2023, 09:57 AM
Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

It keeps their 2029 pick in play.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 10:11 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1623701026401386496

Leetonidas
02-09-2023, 10:13 AM
:lol Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1623701026401386496

Neither Anunoby or Bridges will kick a player in the balls. Not Grizzly material.

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 10:20 AM
:lol Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

^this

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 10:22 AM
If Marks gets some extra firsts for Bridges, he's done a pretty great job getting rid of Durant.

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 10:24 AM
I’d keep bridges if I’m Brooklyn ….. him and finney smith can be wing stop. Dinwiddy Harris bridges finney-smith Claxton can win a game or two :)

JPB
02-09-2023, 10:51 AM
:lol Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

Dallas fans on tuesday: Yeah, we got Kyrie! New WC favorites!
Phoenix fans on thursday: Nope :hat

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 11:06 AM
I’d keep bridges if I’m Brooklyn ….. him and finney smith can be wing stop. Dinwiddy Harris bridges finney-smith Claxton can win a game or two :)

more like Dinwiddie, Thomas, Bridges, O'Neal, Claxton

Nets have a lot of championship team level role players. They are deep, just no clear #1 option. They will have to trade some of them cause there are not enough minutes available for all of them

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 11:08 AM
more like Dinwiddie, Thomas, Bridges, O'Neal, Claxton

Nets have a lot of championship team level role players. They are deep, just no clear #1 option. They will have to trade some of them cause there are not enough minutes available for all of them

Nets were such a fun team before they went all-in with the Tumultuous Trio. Scrappy as hell, clutch, crazy. This feels more like Sean Marks' wheelhouse, finding valuable players and building from there.

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 11:11 AM
The Nets still are in line to pay $35 million in luxury tax this year. They could try to dump some of their remaining contracts and guess who has the cap space to accommodate that. Interesting 4 hours to go ...

CGD
02-09-2023, 11:13 AM
Dallas fans on tuesday: Yeah, we got Kyrie! New WC favorites!
Phoenix fans on thursday: Nope :hat

LAL fan -- reaching for ED meds

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 11:28 AM
They are not a bottom out team. I dont think it’s gold. You keep a few of the BKY picks but actually improve your team.

They only have Brooklyn's 24 and 26 picks. That Nets team is going to be absolute trash next year with only the taxpayer MLE to offer to free agents. Having Bridges as your best player is as bad as having Keldon as your best player.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 11:33 AM
They only have Brooklyn's 24 and 26 picks. That Nets team is going to be absolute trash next year with only the taxpayer MLE to offer to free agents. Having Bridges as your best player is as bad as having Keldon as your best player.

They have swaps too. Give them 24 & 26 and keep the swaps for the upside…

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 11:35 AM
They have swaps too. Give them 24 & 26 and keep the swaps for the upside…

Lunacy, that 24 pick will almost surely be top 8.

baseline bum
02-09-2023, 11:35 AM
They have swaps too. Give them 24 & 26 and keep the swaps for the upside…

Lunacy, that 24 pick will almost surely be top 8.

JPB
02-09-2023, 11:36 AM
Early 2nds have pretty nice value. I wouldn't write them off. Sure, the hit percentage on them is not too high, but there are almost always nice players in that area, especially nowadays when players enter the draft so young and raw. A Trayce-Jackson Davis is absolutely worth an early SRP or that big dude for Arizona.

This, you don't pick there to find supernovae but still can find a solid role or rotation player.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 11:49 AM
A lot of debris left to settle.

We have players like Eric Gordon and Bojan Bogdanovic out there. Gary Trent Jr. Mikal Bridges might still be moved. Anunoby.

The Spurs have their few pieces and a big empty vat of cap space.

Three hours left.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 11:52 AM
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Ohhhhhh weeee DPG fake trades been legit lately

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 11:53 AM
1623722269569699840


Ohhhhhh weeee DPG fake trades been legit lately

Why would the Rockets want those players? Geez, what direction is Houston on?

Mugen
02-09-2023, 11:56 AM
Some Western conference team will trade for JRich tbh. We'll probably package that TOR '23 2nd rounder to move up in the late 1st again.

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 11:56 AM
Why would the Rockets want those players? Geez, what direction is Houston on?

They owe their '24 and '26 picks to OKC (only top 4 protected) and a swap in between. They can't tank anymore.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 11:57 AM
Why would the Rockets want those players? Geez, what direction is Houston on?

It makes total sense for HOU lol. Bridges is a damn good young player, HOU already has 2 top 3 picks on their team, he fits what they need to leap hopefully and HOU would still have their own pick for Wemby or whatever this year too. It would be a great get for HOU using 2 BKY picks IMO and HOU can’t keep taking since they dont have their own picks either later

ace3g
02-09-2023, 12:02 PM
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The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 12:03 PM
Getting defensive wings isn't going to help Houston with the massive amount of other problems they have. I can see it if they jettison KPJ or even Green. Otherwise it seems like slapping duct tape over part of a shed that looks like swiss cheese.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 12:03 PM
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The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Like a machine gun of SRPs.

Leetonidas
02-09-2023, 12:03 PM
Bucks making it rain with 2nd rounders :lol

timvp
02-09-2023, 12:04 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

It's interesting that second round picks are being used to get useful players like Crowder and Rui. That's good news for the Spurs and their mounting collection of second rounders.

Mugen
02-09-2023, 12:04 PM
Yeah I think JRich can get at least a few 2nd rounders :lol

rascal
02-09-2023, 12:05 PM
It makes total sense for HOU lol. Bridges is a damn good young player, HOU already has 2 top 3 picks on their team, he fits what they need to leap hopefully and HOU would still have their own pick for Wemby or whatever this year too. It would be a great get for HOU using 2 BKY picks IMO and HOU can’t keep taking since they dont have their own picks either later

Spurs should make a move for Bridges.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 12:05 PM
Getting defensive wings isn't going to help Houston with the massive amount of other problems they have. I can see it if they jettison KPJ or even Green. Otherwise it seems like slapping duct tape over part of a shed that looks like swiss cheese.

Also, more to the point, as valued as Bridges and, to a lesser extent, Cam Johnson are right now, why are you competing with other bidders for them? They're the type of players to cement playoff runs right now, not... whatever you're trying to do with a cocked-up roster with other priorities.

timvp
02-09-2023, 12:06 PM
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Ohhhhhh weeee DPG fake trades been legit lately

Yes, Houston, try to win games. Please?

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 12:08 PM
The current bottom 4 teams are well ahead of (behind?) Orlando, so even if Houston decides to stop tanking it's unlikely they fall out of the bottom 4.

rjv
02-09-2023, 12:08 PM
nice pick up for the bucks and i agree on the rockets-go for it H-Town!

ace3g
02-09-2023, 12:09 PM
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The Lakers are trading Thomas Bryant to the Nuggets for Davon Reed and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 12:10 PM
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The Lakers are trading Thomas Bryant to the Nuggets for Davon Reed and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

That's pretty shrewd.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:10 PM
Yes, Houston, try to win games. Please?

That would be a very pleasant side effect - yes lol

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:10 PM
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The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

With Crowder off the board, i wonder if this focuses the market for JRich in the time left. Like does a Miami get interested now?

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:10 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Lakers are trading Thomas Bryant to the Nuggets for Davon Reed and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

Damn - really thought Collins was a fit in DEN

JPB
02-09-2023, 12:11 PM
Bucks: Wanna more picks, Sean? Kelly, where's the SPR trunk?

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 12:12 PM
Damn - really thought Collins was a fit in DEN

Not for that return though.

Chinook
02-09-2023, 12:13 PM
Bad for the Spurs. Denver was the likeliest Collins destination in my mind.

Mugen
02-09-2023, 12:15 PM
1623731802484486145

Didn't the Spurs like him? Ton of mins at C now tbh

exstatic
02-09-2023, 12:16 PM
Bad for the Spurs. Denver was the likeliest Collins destination in my mind.

There’s no clock on moving Collins, other than NEXT year’s trade deadline.

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:17 PM
With Crowder off the board, i wonder if this focuses the market for JRich in the time left. Like does a Miami get interested now?

MIA: JRich + Dougie
SAS: Robinson's contract + Jovic + Yurtseven + FRP

Is that enough to eat Duncan's salary?

Chinook
02-09-2023, 12:17 PM
1623731802484486145

Didn't the Spurs like him? Ton of mins at C now tbh

They used to like him during the draft. I'd want to take a look if I were them.

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:17 PM
There’s no clock on moving Collins, other than NEXT year’s trade deadline.

I agree. i actually want to keep him a little longer to see how we does in the big chair.

JPB
02-09-2023, 12:18 PM
Boston got Muscala as consolation prize for missing out on Jak.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:19 PM
Would be very odd if TOR, LAL and LAC made no other moves….BKY too.

exstatic
02-09-2023, 12:20 PM
MIA: JRich + Dougie
SAS: Robinson's contract + Jovic + Yurtseven + FRP

Is that enough to eat Duncan's salary?

DR has 3 years and nearly 60M left, so, no, that’s not enough.

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:22 PM
Would be very odd if TOR, LAL and LAC made no other moves….BKY too.

I think the KD trade messed things up for some of these teams by taking PHX out of the equation, even as just a leverage point with other teams on players like VanVleet, OG, and Trent.

Lakers made there big move.

exstatic
02-09-2023, 12:24 PM
Would be very odd if TOR, LAL and LAC made no other moves….BKY too.

TOR has to do something to get under the tax to make our trade work, either add another player, or work another deal that shaves their tax bill to zero or less.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:24 PM
I think the KD trade messed things up for some of these teams by taking PHX out of the equation, even as just a leverage point with other teams on players like VanVleet, OG, and Trent.

Lakers made there big move.

Ya but they just saw Suns land KD LOL. They are trying to win…and they need more moves with Suns move

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:25 PM
DR has 3 years and nearly 60M left, so, no, that’s not enough.

Fair, though 13M of that is defray by sending out Doug.

So basically what is 44M worth to the Spurs on top of a FRP, promising young player Jovic, and an interesting project big?

timvp
02-09-2023, 12:25 PM
1623731802484486145

Didn't the Spurs like him? Ton of mins at C now tbh

Bruh, I think that ship sailed when Goga told the Pacers assistant coach (Greg Foster) to "sit the f!@# down" after he hit a three-pointer. Then again, the entertainment value of that happening in San Antonio would be high :lol

70mNebf5nwc

exstatic
02-09-2023, 12:26 PM
Fair, though 13M of that is defray by sending out Doug.

So basically what is 44M worth to the Spurs on top of a FRP, promising young player Jovic, and an interesting project big?
Jovic is just another Duncan Robinson, a no defense oversized sniper.

Dverde
02-09-2023, 12:27 PM
The only player the Spurs need to move is Richardson. Not sure why everyone wants to ship off Zollins. He’s a solid backup big.

TD 21
02-09-2023, 12:28 PM
Might as well take a flier on Bitadze.

The Suns could obviously still use a 3 and D combo forward type, but outside of that, health willing and if they can keep Ayton engaged through the remainder of the season, they're probably at least co-favorites with the Nuggets in the West.

The Nets should immediately look to reroute Bridges while the Craptors continue to pretend Anunoby is a superstar.

CGD
02-09-2023, 12:29 PM
The only player the Spurs need to move is Richardson. Not sure why everyone wants to ship off Zollins. He’s a solid backup big.

Obviously you cant turn down a ridiculous offer, but I agree with this.

Mugen
02-09-2023, 12:29 PM
Bruh, I think that ship sailed when Goga told the Pacers assistant coach (Greg Foster) to "sit the f!@# down" after he hit a three-pointer. Then again, the entertainment value of that happening in San Antonio would be high :lol

70mNebf5nwc

That prospect of that happening in SN alone makes me want the Spurs to sign him and have Pop stay another season tbh :lol

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 12:31 PM
Jovic is just another Duncan Robinson, a no defense oversized sniper.

maybe we should trade a first rounder for your boy Jalen Smith. I heard he was worth 30 million for 3 years according to you :lol

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 12:34 PM
Rumors are out there for an AD for Zach LaVine trade. Apparently Chicago is fielding calls for LaVine

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:42 PM
Man, other than Hart, no one is fetching firsts at all! Not good!

McDaniels, Thomas Bryant, Crowder etc…all multiple 2nds but no firsts.

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 12:45 PM
Man, other than Hart, no one is fetching firsts at all! Not good!

McDaniels, Thomas Bryant, Crowder etc…all multiple 2nds but no firsts.

they are hard to come by. But if the Spurs take on salary and send out a 2nd round pick, I think fetching a first rounder might work

Texas_Ranger
02-09-2023, 12:55 PM
Indiana George back at Indiana.

exstatic
02-09-2023, 12:57 PM
Man, other than Hart, no one is fetching firsts at all! Not good!

McDaniels, Thomas Bryant, Crowder etc…all multiple 2nds but no firsts.

Between us, OKC, UTA, and BKN, we control about 1/3 of the FRPs out to the end of the draft window, currently 2029.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 12:57 PM
Freaking INDY takes on Hill into cap space for a 2nd

None of this helping Spurs lol. Everyone doing everything for 2nds.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 01:02 PM
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Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 01:03 PM
Bruh, I think that ship sailed when Goga told the Pacers assistant coach (Greg Foster) to "sit the f!@# down" after he hit a three-pointer. Then again, the entertainment value of that happening in San Antonio would be high :lol

70mNebf5nwc

And check out who it is appearing to take Goga's side at the end of the video...

(Doug McDermott in case you don't want to watch it)

Atl Spur
02-09-2023, 01:04 PM
Freaking INDY takes on Hill into cap space for a 2nd

None of this helping Spurs lol. Everyone doing everything for 2nds.

Our cap space will be the secret sauce.

timvp
02-09-2023, 01:06 PM
Freaking INDY takes on Hill into cap space for a 2nd

None of this helping Spurs lol. Everyone doing everything for 2nds.

Well, the good news is the Pacers should just about be out of cap space. That'd leave the Spurs as the only team with notable room in the final two hours before the trade deadline. We'll see if anyone gets desperate ....

spurs10
02-09-2023, 01:10 PM
Freaking INDY takes on Hill into cap space for a 2nd

None of this helping Spurs lol. Everyone doing everything for 2nds. Yes you're right. At least we have our presumable lottery pick this year, probably the lowest we've had since since Tim. Do we have any other FRPs in 2023? 2024 is looking hopeful as we will likely draft low again and have the Raps pick, as low as 7.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 01:11 PM
What is BKY doing? Why would they pay any tax at all? Pay the Spurs to eat some damn money man lol

rjv
02-09-2023, 01:11 PM
george hill is a pacer again.

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 01:12 PM
Cavs, Heat, Hawks, Warriors, Grizzlies, Raptors and Kings should still make a move

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 01:12 PM
Well, the good news is the Pacers should just about be out of cap space. That'd leave the Spurs as the only team with notable room in the final two hours before the trade deadline. We'll see if anyone gets desperate ....

No idea why Nets would pay a dollar of tax. Send the Spurs Joe Harris and one of the Suns picks and we absorb Harris and absolve you of all tax (save like 50M) and we send you the CHA 1st and 2 2nds.

jjspur
02-09-2023, 01:13 PM
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The Lakers are trading Thomas Bryant to the Nuggets for Davon Reed and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

Are the Lakers doing a jedi mind trick on the league or what ?

timvp
02-09-2023, 01:14 PM
No idea why Nets would pay a dollar of tax. Send the Spurs Joe Harris and one of the Suns picks and we absorb Harris and absolve you of all tax (save like 50M) and we send you the CHA 1st and 2 2nds.

Tsai is richer than god, unfortunately.

DPG21920
02-09-2023, 01:15 PM
Tsai is richer than god, unfortunately.

Still! That’s a great deal and no need to spend if you dont have too. And with all their wings Joe is out of the rotation anyways

Chinook
02-09-2023, 01:24 PM
No idea why Nets would pay a dollar of tax. Send the Spurs Joe Harris and one of the Suns picks and we absorb Harris and absolve you of all tax (save like 50M) and we send you the CHA 1st and 2 2nds.

I'd assume they'd trade the 2023 pick if any. Not trading that many seconds to eat salary just for that.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:25 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

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The Timberwolves are waiving guard Bryn Forbes to help make room on the roster to complete yesterday’s trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/)

12:23pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1623749390069276675) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

spurs10
02-09-2023, 01:27 PM
Anyone bring me up to date about FRPs in 2023 apart from our, sure to be, lottery pick?

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 01:28 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

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The Timberwolves are waiving guard Bryn Forbes to help make room on the roster to complete yesterday’s trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/)

12:23pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1623749390069276675) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

Spurs gotta pick him up. I heard Pop say he reminds him of Steph Curry

timvp
02-09-2023, 01:28 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

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The Timberwolves are waiving guard Bryn Forbes to help make room on the roster to complete yesterday’s trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/)

12:23pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1623749390069276675) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

Oh, hell no, don't you even think about it . . . . . .

:cry

spurs10
02-09-2023, 01:29 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

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The Timberwolves are waiving guard Bryn Forbes to help make room on the roster to complete yesterday’s trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/)

12:23pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1623749390069276675) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels) Well we might need a starting center!

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 01:29 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

:lol

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 01:30 PM
Tsai is richer than god, unfortunately.

John Hollinger speculates that the Nets should be on the phone with the Spurs - https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1623749392443355136

Mugen
02-09-2023, 01:32 PM
DON'T YOU DO IT ....

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The Timberwolves are waiving guard Bryn Forbes to help make room on the roster to complete yesterday’s trade, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/)

12:23pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1623749390069276675) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

:lol

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 01:33 PM
Nets could just salary dump Patty here

Texas_Ranger
02-09-2023, 01:34 PM
who will pick up Nba Champion Bryn?

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:34 PM
Forbes and Patty back to SA!

PhantomDashCam
02-09-2023, 01:35 PM
Maybe lost in the shuffle. Spurs were rumoured to be interested recently…

1623737940655370248

Mugen
02-09-2023, 01:35 PM
Tsai is richer than god, unfortunately.

Billionaires like saving money more than anyone tbh :lol

scott
02-09-2023, 01:38 PM
Atlanta still can't find a new home for John Collins. Wild that after everyone's disappointment that we got the wrong Collins, Zach has more trade value than John right now.

Leetonidas
02-09-2023, 01:38 PM
Fuck it, lets get Bryn back to lead the tank

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1623752968154542080

scott
02-09-2023, 01:40 PM
1623752968154542080

Looks like GS is definitely interested in moving Wiseman and saving that money. Don't like that there is competition here.

objective
02-09-2023, 01:42 PM
Spurs are tanking fine without Forbes stealing development minutes from Branham or Wesley. Don't need to see teary eyed Pop rub Bryn's shoulders after garbage plays any more.

Degoat
02-09-2023, 01:44 PM
I was gonna say this the other day… I think the spurs should do a lot to get Wiseman, warriors giving up way to early

*** but if a team like the pistons are offering Saddiq Bey idk what deal the spurs could be offering that beats that because I’m not trading any of our key youngins

PhantomDashCam
02-09-2023, 01:44 PM
Everyone loading up on wings… and we’re taking the road less travelled by having a C fetish :)

JPB
02-09-2023, 01:45 PM
Well, the good news is the Pacers should just about be out of cap space. That'd leave the Spurs as the only team with notable room in the final two hours before the trade deadline. We'll see if anyone gets desperate ....

It basically boils down to that, desperation, but the way things are going Im' not even sure anyone would offer more than SRPs to save money, not even if spurs take some players back. Well see...

timvp
02-09-2023, 01:45 PM
https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1623752968154542080

Nice. The Spurs didn't want Wiseman for Poeltl but I'm sure Wiseman would be tempting in a salary dump. Unless they think he's an unsalvageable bust, it'd be easy to justify giving up a Raptors or Heat second rounder for him, tbh.

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 01:46 PM
Imo, Wiseman literally doesn't know how to play basketball, but his deal expires next year and wouldn't burden the Spurs at all.

If we could get another one of their youngesters with Wiseman, I'd gamble, why not. It's not like Collins or McDermott are our future.

offset formation
02-09-2023, 01:47 PM
What does the context for the Lakers' or Dallas' trades have to do with the very real point Poopbox was trying to make, though? Both teams were clearly aware of the situation they were putting themselves in when they pulled those trades; it's unrelated to us what happens with them. The fact remains that those 2nd rounders got the trades done, when without them, other teams' comparable offers might've seemed better.

Second round picks are as far from "fucking useless" as bishops on a chess board - only bad to those who don't know how to utilize them.

Denver just displayed how utterly fucking useless they are to them. Denver just traded **a player AND THREE 2ND ROUND PICKS** to the Lakers for Thomas fucking Bryant who is on an expiring contract, lol. Maeeeeybe the Lakers can move up several spots from the bottom of the 1st into the low 20s or high teens with ALL those 3 seconds. Obviously Denver is not expecting much out of them being they'll likely be at the bottom half of the draft for the next few years.

Example. Say Lakers get Pelicans swap and draft somewhere around the lottery this year. Those 3 2nd round picks have next to no value in substantial draft ascent at that point. They only matter around the edges. And the higher the starting point the less value they carry.

BTW, did you read any of the article I posted before posting this, "only bad to those who don't know how to utilize them?" The article basically gives context that 2nd round picks have historically been misused and dont generate the value reciprocity in r eturn. There's no GOAT in 2nd round picks. There's only slight movement in the first round. And ultimately someone has to use those 2nd round picks. And the overwhelming majority don't even make it 3 yrs in the league.

I repeat: 2nd round picks are OVER-FUCKING-RATED on this board.

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 01:50 PM
not sure why Detroit would give up 23-year old Bey for Wiseman when they got Duren. Makes no sense

spurraider21
02-09-2023, 01:50 PM
not sure why Detroit would give up 23-year old Bey for Wiseman when they got Duren. Makes no sense
twin towers baby

scott
02-09-2023, 01:51 PM
Too much chatter on Twitter around having to GIVE UP something for Wiseman. If Detroit has interest in his as well, I'm afraid that prices him out of play.

The only Wiseman deal I'm interested in looks like this:

Spurs get: Wiseman + unprotected FRP
Warriors get: $110k

The Warriors really need to dump Wiseman and get nothing back, and we're the only team who can make that happen.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:52 PM
Brooklyn or Golden State, who wants to save tons of money by using our cap space? Don't rush now!

JPB
02-09-2023, 01:52 PM
Denver just displayed how utterly fucking useless they are to them. Denver just traded a player and 3 2nds to the Lakers for Thonas fucking Bryant who is on an expiring contract, lol. Lakers might be able to move up 10 spots from the bottom of the 1st into the low 20s or high teens with ALL those 3 seconds. Denver is not expecting much out of them being they'll likely be at the bottom half of the draft for the next few years.

Example. Say Lakers get Pelicans swap and draft somewhere around the lottery this year. Those 3 2nd round picks have next to no value in substantial draft ascent at that point. They only matter around the edges. And the higher the starting point the less value they carry.

Did you read any of the article I posted before posting this, "only bad to those who don't know how to utilize them?"

It basically gives context that 2nd round picks have historically been misused. There's no GOAT in 2nd round picks. There's only slight movement in the first round. And ultimately someone has to use those 2nd round picks. And the overwhelming majority don't even make it 3 yrs in the league.

I repeat: 2nd round picks are OVER-FUCKING-RATED on this board.

It's not because you repeat it, that's its gonna make it any truer, just saying.

And I'm sure the Bucks are happy SRPs got them Crowder.

scott
02-09-2023, 01:53 PM
Denver sending Bones to the Clippers. That surprises me.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:55 PM
Denver sending Bones to the Clippers. That surprises me.

That they traded him? He seems to be full of himself.

scott
02-09-2023, 01:55 PM
Denver sending Bones to the Clippers. That surprises me.

And it only cost the Clippers two "fucking useless" SRPs

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:56 PM
SRPs like candy nowadays.

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 01:56 PM
So much for Wiseman, they actually got a good player for him.

scott
02-09-2023, 01:57 PM
Wiseman to Detroit for Seddiq Bey. Unless GS is also sending DET some picks, wow what a terrible trade by DET.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:57 PM
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Bey is on the way to Atlanta in multi-team trade, source tells ESPN.



Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

The Warriors are trading James Wiseman to the Pistons for Saddiq Bey, source tells ESPN.


12:56pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623757807320170496) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

scott
02-09-2023, 01:58 PM
Wait... Bey actually headed to Atlanta... did they finally find a home for Collins?!?

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:58 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Oklahoma City Thunder are trading Darius Bazley to the Phoenix Suns for Dario Saric and a second-round pick, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 01:58 PM
Wtf, another 5x second rounders trade.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 01:58 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Hawks are sending five second-round picks to the Warriors to acquire Bey, source tells ESPN.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:59 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Oklahoma City Thunder are trading Darius Bazley to the Phoenix Suns for Dario Saric and a second-round pick, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

I knew Presti had to get involved somehow. Must have been killing him.

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 01:59 PM
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Bey is on the way to Atlanta in multi-team trade, source tells ESPN.



Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

The Warriors are trading James Wiseman to the Pistons for Saddiq Bey, source tells ESPN.


12:56pm · 9 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623757807320170496) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

And the Hawks are sending "5 SRPs" to Warriors for Bey :)

scott
02-09-2023, 01:59 PM
5 "Fucking Useless" SRPs from ATL to GS for Bey. So, GS gets their cap relief.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 01:59 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)50s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623758045141426178)
The Hawks are sending five second-round picks to the Warriors to acquire Bey, source tells ESPN.

Folks shitting out second round picks.

JPB
02-09-2023, 02:00 PM
Sell your bitcoins for SRPs guys, that's the future.

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:00 PM
Surprised the Warriors didn't keep Bey. He seemed like a good fit.

buttsR4rebounding
02-09-2023, 02:01 PM
GS getting 5 worthless 2nd rounders.

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 02:02 PM
It's weird someone goes on a rant about how useless 2nds are on the very day that 2nds buy you everything in the NBA - cap relief, young players, playoff run vets...

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:02 PM
It's weird how people are using the same evidence to prove how valuable or unvaluable second round picks are these days.

"Wow, you can now use second round picks to acquire real, actual NBA players!"

"Second round picks are being thrown around like candy because nobody cares about them!"

:lol

RC_Drunkford
02-09-2023, 02:02 PM
either the Spurs have some deals lined up or they are overplaying their hand

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:03 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1509990164415893517/qIuzsMq6_normal.jpg
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)27s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623759267768549379)The Hawks are trading Justin Holiday and Frank Kaminsky to Houston for Garrison Matthews and Bruno Fernando, source tells ESPN.

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:03 PM
It's weird someone goes on a rant about how useless 2nds are on the very day that 2nds buy you everything in the NBA - cap relief, young players, playoff run vets...

Yeah, tbh. I've never seen second round picks be as useful as they've been today.

scott
02-09-2023, 02:03 PM
Surprised the Warriors didn't keep Bey. He seemed like a good fit.

Need to just dump Wiseman to save $130MM tbh

Russ
02-09-2023, 02:05 PM
Folks shitting out second round picks.

First Prize-- One Second Round Pick

Second Prize -- Two Second Round picks

JeffDuncan
02-09-2023, 02:05 PM
Second round picks are starting to look like a Ponzi scheme.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:06 PM
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Jason Dumas @JDumasReports
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Source: The Warriors have been shopping Moses Moody and there is interest around the league but as of now the Warriors’ asking price has been too steep.

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-09-2023, 02:06 PM
Can't we throw a couple of our useless 2nds for Moody?

buttsR4rebounding
02-09-2023, 02:07 PM
Second round picks are starting to look like a Ponzi scheme.

Maybe Richardson for Joe Ponzi and 2 seconds...

Ariel
02-09-2023, 02:08 PM
"My kingdom for a second round pick"

Mugen
02-09-2023, 02:09 PM
Great trade deadline tbh :lol

Ariel
02-09-2023, 02:09 PM
Can't we throw a couple of our useless 2nds for Moody?
That'd be throwing useless 2nd rounders for a useless player... I'd rather keep the picks.

JPB
02-09-2023, 02:10 PM
If no one uses but simply trade SRPs, I guess the SRP bubble would explode a some point, so better make the best of their current market value.

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:11 PM
Spurs want first round picks. Unfortunately, today is a second round pick free for all.

Ah well, I don't see a salary dump to be jealous of yet, tbh.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:11 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)now (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623761462115147784)
The Houston Rockets are finalizing deal to send Eric Gordon to the Los Angeles Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

spurs10
02-09-2023, 02:12 PM
Nice. The Spurs didn't want Wiseman for Poeltl but I'm sure Wiseman would be tempting in a salary dump. Unless they think he's an unsalvageable bust, it'd be easy to justify giving up a Raptors or Heat second rounder for him, tbh. What is the protection on the FRP we got for Murray?

Thomas82
02-09-2023, 02:12 PM
not sure why Detroit would give up 23-year old Bey for Wiseman when they got Duren. Makes no sense

I was just about to say the same thing.

buttsR4rebounding
02-09-2023, 02:14 PM
What is the protection on the FRP we got for Murray?

2 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap.

JPB
02-09-2023, 02:14 PM
Second round picks are starting to look like a Ponzi scheme.

That's how Madoff got caught. He was trading SRPs he didn't have.

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 02:15 PM
1623752124063522817

Oh please oh please oh please prayingdog.jpg

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:15 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Los Angeles Clippers are sending Luke Kennard to the Memphis Grizzlies, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).



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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)44s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762184009396225)
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 02:15 PM
Lmao Wall goes back to Houston. :lmao

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
John Wall back to the Rockets makes me laugh! :))

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762184009396225

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
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Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
44s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762184009396225)
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

wtf :lol

I would have paid good money to be in the room when Wall heard about this.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
Lmao Wall goes back to Houston. :lmao

Oh man.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Grizzlies are sending Danny Green to Houston in the deal, sources tell ESPN.

Robz4000
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
:lmao Wall

Chinook
02-09-2023, 02:16 PM
That's amazing.

scott
02-09-2023, 02:17 PM
John Wall getting rich AF by never playing for Houston

SpurSpike
02-09-2023, 02:17 PM
Lmao Wall goes back to Houston. :lmao

Lol, he cant be happy about that. In that recent interview he seemed to really resent that franchises losing culture.

buttsR4rebounding
02-09-2023, 02:18 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)1m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762061833519105)
The Los Angeles Clippers are sending Luke Kennard to the Memphis Grizzlies, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).



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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)44s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762184009396225)
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Trying to make sure the Spurs don't outtank them.

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 02:18 PM
wtf :lol

I would have paid good money to be in the room when Wall heard about this.

You mean, a fly on Wall?

JPB
02-09-2023, 02:18 PM
Houston trolling Wall.

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:19 PM
Danny Green to lead the Rockets to 20+ wins as an undercover Spurs agent, tbh.

MannyIsGod
02-09-2023, 02:20 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)1m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762061833519105)
The Los Angeles Clippers are sending Luke Kennard to the Memphis Grizzlies, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).



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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)44s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623762184009396225)
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Lmao lmao lmao wall back to Houston is incredible

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 02:20 PM
Beverley goes to Disneyland.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 02:20 PM
This is what happens when four teams corner the market on FRPs.

Chinook
02-09-2023, 02:20 PM
Restores Houston's cap charge for Wall back its pre-buyout level.

ace3g
02-09-2023, 02:21 PM
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)2m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623763387984363523)
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley to the Orlando Magic for center Mo Bamba, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 02:21 PM
This is what happens when four teams corner the market on FRPs.

When most of the gold (firsts) is in a few hands, the silver (seconds) starts to flow.

BatManu20
02-09-2023, 02:22 PM
Holy shit what a flurry of trades at the tail end of this trade deadline :lol

AFBlue
02-09-2023, 02:23 PM
Holy shit what a flurry of trades at the tail end of this trade deadline :lol

And none of them involve the Spurs. Lol

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 02:23 PM
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Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
2m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623763387984363523)
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley to the Orlando Magic for center Mo Bamba, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Lol - https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1623498370089390082

rjv
02-09-2023, 02:23 PM
Beverley should just always keep a suitcase packed and live in hotels

timvp
02-09-2023, 02:23 PM
Still 30+ minutes to go. The Spurs are basically waiting to see if anyone gets desperate at the buzzer.

Good plan, IMO. Might not work but they're not missing out on much by sitting and waiting.

Seventyniner
02-09-2023, 02:24 PM
Shams show cast says TOR expects to be able to sign Poeltl to a long-term deal this summer. Probably why they were willing to offer more than most teams.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 02:24 PM
Still 30+ minutes to go. The Spurs are basically waiting to see if anyone gets desperate at the buzzer.

Good plan, IMO. Might not work but they're not missing out on much by sitting and waiting.

Hopefully someone's not attending a funeral without their phone this time.

spurraider21
02-09-2023, 02:24 PM
Still 30+ minutes to go. The Spurs are basically waiting to see if anyone gets desperate at the buzzer.

Good plan, IMO. Might not work but they're not missing out on much by sitting and waiting.
not missing out? we could have owned the entire second round of one draft by now

Texas_Ranger
02-09-2023, 02:24 PM
Josh Rich to Pelicans

Spursfanfromafar
02-09-2023, 02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623764734381027329

Josh Rich to the Pelicans

YoungbuckMurray
02-09-2023, 02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1623764734381027329?s=46&t=VyKTupe1joT_m3Mhqh3xgw

LeBowen
02-09-2023, 02:25 PM
JRich gone.

buttsR4rebounding
02-09-2023, 02:25 PM
The memes of John Wall hearing he's going back to Houston will be epic.

scott
02-09-2023, 02:26 PM
OMG we are getting 4 SRPs for Josh... someone about to lose their damn minds.

Mr. Body
02-09-2023, 02:26 PM
Damn, not the Pelicans.

JPB
02-09-2023, 02:26 PM
Wall: "So, where's my locker...? Hum, you sure that "Toilet" guy is OK to give me his locker?"

Larry O
02-09-2023, 02:27 PM
There's discussion about Zollins and McBucketts to the Dubs for picks? Anyone else hear about this?