NBA Trade Deadline 2023

[cd98]

JRich gone.

Well that's really all we had left to trade, except cap space at this point. I do think we are better off keeping Collins. I like what I see in him, especially the ability to shoot threes. Considering what he costs to keep, I think it is a no-brainer to hang on and see how he holds up the rest of the season.

[Mr. Body]

Once three teams have all the SRPs they'll have to create third round picks.

[objective]

Spurs getting wrecked. Pelicans have first rounders coming out their ass and Wright can't leverage them out of one for eating another $15 million?

[PhantomDashCam]

We finally got an undersized chucker back!

[MannyIsGod]

Lmao 4 srp! Wow

[cd98]

I know second round picks are getting you lots of stuff today, but I still think it's more about getting "something" than that we value second round picks. They are throw ins to deals to make it look like you are getting something more than what is the essence of the trade. For example, the Poetl trade is really about a first. The second round picks just show that we got a first round pick plus "something" more. And 4 2nd rounders for Josh? That's getting "something" for a player we aren't likely to re-sign in the offseason. It's better than nothing, but it's just more second round picks to throw into another deal so the other team can say it got "something."

[JPB]

who wants FPRs when you can have jumbos of SRPs.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm happy. The tank is secured. 4 srp for Jrich is actually pretty good value.

[td4mvp2k]

lakers gifted bamba wtf

[cd98]

The good news is that the Spurs likely won't win another game this season based on what they did to their roster.

[Larry O]

LDN to the Rocketts.

[Seventyniner]

I know second round picks are getting you lots of stuff today, but I still think it's more about getting "something" than that we value second round picks. They are throw ins to deals to make it look like you are getting something more than what is the essence of the trade. For example, the Poetl trade is really about a first. The second round picks just show that we got a first round pick plus "something" more. And 4 2nd rounders for Josh? That's getting "something" for a player we aren't likely to re-sign in the offseason. It's better than nothing, but it's just more second round picks to throw into another deal so the other team can say it got "something."

I don't think all seconds can be lumped together like that. Early seconds aren't worth all that much less than late firsts, while late seconds are mostly worthless.

That said, it's better to have those picks than not have them. If a team falls in love with a player available at #43, the Spurs can do a draft night trade to get a future second and roll them forward, or even combine a second or two with a player to move up.

[Leetonidas]

How many 2nd rounders do we have over the next few years now? Would be nice to try and combine them to get a late first

[NASpurs]

The good news is that the Spurs likely won't win another game this season based on what they did to their roster.

And somehow end up with the 5th pick.

[slick'81]

The good news is that the Spurs likely won't win another game this season based on what they did to their roster.

devin is our only hope but yeah,this roster is shit

[CGD]

Lmao 4 srp! Wow

What'd you expect to get of JRich on his own? This is probably as good as it gets honestly. Just saw that they have the 2024 SRP from Chicago, which could be decent. Hopefully that's one of them.

[heyheymymy]

You mean, a fly on Wall?


lol some incredible puns today all around

[ace3g]

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The Hornets are trading center Mason Plumlee to the Clippers, source tells ESPN.

[Robz4000]

What albatross contracts are left for the Spurs to eat for picks?

[ace3g]

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Clippers are sending Reggie Jackson to Charlotte in the deal, source tells ESPN.

[Texas_Ranger]

:lmao:lmao:lmao
1615492106931560449

[Robz4000]

:lmao they really are gonna sign Westbrick

[timvp]

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Clippers are sending Reggie Jackson to Charlotte in the deal, source tells ESPN.

Nice. Jackson gives the Hornets a real point guard for when they shut down Ball. Could lead to a couple more wins.

[RC_Drunkford]

hold on Devonte Graham is owed over 12 million until 2025????

[barakz21]

Might as well trade all our SRPs for Lebron. We get assess in the seats and Lebron gets tired of carrying the whole team and retires.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's weird that Dallas, Toronto and Brooklyn haven't yet made a deal. I'd expect each to make a last minute trade.

[Robz4000]

It's weird that Dallas, Toronto and Brooklyn haven't yet made a deal. I'd expect each to make a last minute trade.

Still 15 mins to go. A lot of deals come to fruition at literally the last minute.

[CGD]

It's weird that Dallas, Toronto and Brooklyn haven't yet made a deal. I'd expect each to make a last minute trade.

?

[Texas_Ranger]

It's weird that Dallas, Toronto and Brooklyn haven't yet made a deal. I'd expect each to make a last minute trade.

Dallas probably tried tradind Wood and Hardaway and I guess no one was offering anything good.

[LeBowen]

It's weird that Dallas, Toronto and Brooklyn haven't yet made a deal. I'd expect each to make a last minute trade.

I'm really surprised that Miami did nothing.
Pat Riley always makes trades even if it's just for the sake of making trades, but they apparently can't get rid of Lowry.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Reggie jackson traded by the Clippers to the Hornets. A Russ Westbrook buyout and addition is most likely incoming.

[RC_Drunkford]

ok not as bad as I thought. Graham has only 2,850,000 guaranteed for 24/25

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dallas probably tried tradind Wood and Hardaway and I guess no one was offering anything good.

The league ran out of second round picks.

[cjw]

hold on Devonte Graham is owed over 12 million until 2025????

Last year is only $2.85 million guaranteed. So it’s really $12 million next year. But still…

[cd98]

Nets need assets to improve, so what are they going to pay to get salary cap relief? I know, I know, 4 second round picks.

[ace3g]

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There is no deal for John Collins out of Atlanta, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[NASpurs]

2nd round picks are this year's cash consideration.

[Leetonidas]

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There is no deal for John Collins out of Atlanta, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

:lol they cant even give him away, what a downer

[cd98]

2nd round picks are this year's cash consideration.

Teams will easily just buy those 2nd round picks back for $250,000 once the draft rolls around.

[Seventyniner]

Still 15 mins to go. A lot of deals come to fruition at literally the last minute.

Some deals even get reported after the deadline time. The only requirement, iirc, is that the paperwork has to get submitted to the league on time.

[Texas_Ranger]

LOLOLOL

The Blazers are trading Gary Payton II to the Warriors for five second round picks, sources tell ESPN.

[buttsR4rebounding]

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There is no deal for John Collins out of Atlanta, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

Spurs could offer all 37 of their 2nd round picks....

[the golden era]

Amazing

[Mr. Body]

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There is no deal for John Collins out of Atlanta, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

Hold the presses! No one's wanted that guy since he signed.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The new NBA philosophy - Four Seconds or more.

[Robz4000]

Some deals even get reported after the deadline time. The only requirement, iirc, is that the paperwork has to get submitted to the league on time.

As long as you're on the phone before 2 PM it counts tbh.

[mo7888]

Teams will easily just buy those 2nd round picks back for $250,000 once the draft rolls around.

Add another zero to that figure..

[Mr. Body]

LOLOLOL

The Blazers are trading Gary Payton II to the Warriors for five second round picks, sources tell ESPN.

What the fuck. Today is hilarious.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Blazers being sellers again. Dame probably isn't super happy about it.

[spurraider21]

theres no pressure to move McBuckets or Collins since they're both under contract next year and can be traded as expiring deals

im just more disappointed that we failed to leverage our cap space more meaningfully than getting a 2nd for dedmon

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

theres no pressure to move McBuckets or Collins since they're both under contract next year and can be traded as expiring deals

im just more disappointed that we failed to leverage our cap space more meaningfully than getting a 2nd for dedmon

They can still use their cap space for deals around draft time when more teams will be able to trade actual firsts.

[spurraider21]

They can still use their cap space for deals around draft time when more teams will be able to trade actual firsts.
well... cap space for the 22-23 season

[heyheymymy]

welp it's 1:58 CST

[cd98]

Well looks like cap space couldn't buy us a 1st round pick. None of the big trades needed the Spurs. Oh well. At least we got one first rounder with minimal protection.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Boredom until the lottery...

[Twisted_Dawg]

That's a wrap!

[RC_Drunkford]

so 1 first round pick and 7 second round picks is what we got

[cjw]

They can still use their cap space for deals around draft time when more teams will be able to trade actual firsts.

It won’t count towards saving money for this year’s luxury tax, but maybe the Spurs weren’t incentivized to help teams dodge it as they get 5% of every dollar in the pool (with ten teams over!)

But important point - cap space, especially when you’re the only team with it, is valuable me around the draft too.

[spurraider21]

:lol people thinking we could trade cap space for 2 unprotected firsts

[Mugen]

buyout market should be interesting tbh. I'd be shocked if Westbrook isn't a Clipper soon.

[Mugen]

so 1 first round pick and 7 second round picks is what we got

We also got way worse which is super important down the stretch tbh :lol

[rascal]

When all the dust has settled the spurs ended up with only one FRP, far below what they wanted.

[CGD]

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There is no deal for John Collins out of Atlanta, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

I feel this has been the case for 3 trade deadlines now. LOL

[Robz4000]

Welp, let's see what flows in from here.

[JPB]

When all the dust has setled the spurs ended up with only one FRP, far below what they wanted.

What teams publicy say and what they truly believe are two different things. No way Wright really believed he could get 2 FPRs for Jak and a FRP for Doug and Josh... Teams wanting to save money is a bit different tho since you can't never really know what an owner(ship) will decide.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So there were like 20+ trades today and no one got a single FRP eh? Tough market.

[Mr. Body]

They got pretty damn close to 2 FRPs for Poeltl. I'd easily take a top 6 protected over two late FRPs and that SRP this year is right now at 39.

Josh Richardson -- there was controversy over whether he was worth a FRP or a SRP or nothing. He was part of a move for four SRPs.

[CGD]

So there were like 20+ trades today and no one got a single FRP eh? Tough market.

No way, is that right?

[Leetonidas]

Utah and SA are the only teams that ended up getting 1sts aside from Brooklyn

Edit: forgot Portland got a lotto protected 1st as wel

[Mugen]

Maybe I just have a low bar for PATFO but I thought they did pretty good this deadline :lol

-Moved off Jak, got a pretty good return
-Moved off JRich, got an OK return
-Got way shittier for a critical tank stretch of the season

That's pretty damn good for BWrong & Co tbh.

[heyheymymy]

Utah and SA are the only teams that ended up getting 1sts aside from Brooklyn

Feels better looking at it like that

Spurs didn't miss a deal, FRPs were scarce for everyone

[Seventyniner]

Relative to expectations coming in, I can't grade the Spurs below a B or above an A minus. We don't know what was actually available.

[timvp]

Utah and SA are the only teams that ended up getting 1sts aside from Brooklyn

And Utah's first could easily turn into a second rounder, tbh. Outside of Durant, Poeltl is the only player who got traded for a sure-fire first round pick.

That's pretty amazing, actually.

[CGD]

Maybe I just have a low bar for PATFO but I thought they did pretty good this deadline :lol

-Moved off Jak, got a pretty good return
-Moved off JRich, got an OK return
-Got way shittier for a critical tank stretch of the season

That's pretty damn good for BWrong & Co tbh.

I agree with you. I think the Jak return was excellent.

The wildcard with the JRich deal will be Graham. I think the spurs saw some value there at a position of need. But could also be a bust, and the only that matters are the picks.

[LeBowen]

-Got way shittier for a critical tank stretch of the season

This is the most important thing.
Yeah, maybe they could've got some more value, but it's irrelevant in the bigger picture.
It's all about getting lucky in the lottery this and the next year. We need all-NBA players and lottery is our only way of getting them.

All that's left to do is hope Charlotte strings together some Ws and we keep that #3 spot for the lottery.

[spurs10]

Well our FRP for Murray was 16 protected and Charlotte are likely to make us refer that until 2024.

[Mr. Body]

After much talk, Toronto stays with Trent and Anunoby. The Poeltl trade signified strengthening rather than pulling the plug.

[spurraider21]

After much talk, Toronto stays with Trent and Anunoby. The Poeltl trade signified strengthening rather than pulling the plug.
the 2023 second round pick isnt gonna be as good as it looks right now. jak legit helps them. 2024 could be interesting though. they are going to make big decisions about paying all of poeltl, vanvleet, and trent

[Mr. Body]

And Utah's first could easily turn into a second rounder, tbh. Outside of Durant, Poeltl is the only player who got traded for a sure-fire first round pick.

That's pretty amazing, actually.

Will take time for the dust to settle, but the league should set something unusual in the trade market. I'm not sure the reasons exactly but teams are strapped for firsts and this thing with the seconds got wild.

[MannyIsGod]

What'd you expect to get of JRich on his own? This is probably as good as it gets honestly. Just saw that they have the 2024 SRP from Chicago, which could be decent. Hopefully that's one of them.

I expected to get a single SRP not 4. This is a pertty damn amazing haul for him IMO.

[cd98]

I know Wiseman sucks, but I thought it would be interesting if the Spurs could have got him for cap space and then did a reclamation project like with Collins. That said, I don't think GS could have swallowed trading Wiseman for cap space. It's hard to choke on a high draft pick. I mean, Josh Primo deal sucked, but I would be more upset about Wiseman if I had to chose between the two.

[cd98]

Let's all hope 2nd rounders matter in the next two years when the Spurs try to turn those into solid pieces for the roster.

[RC_Drunkford]

55 2nd round picks were moved at this deadline. Mostly because most of the contending teams are out of first round draft picks. Most of them now are also out of 2nd round draft picks. Which begs the question: Does that mean 2nd round draft picks are more valuable now? Or will teams trade first round draft picks again by the time free agency opens?

[MannyIsGod]

It was shocking to me that after last year and this offseason there were people here who thought the Spurs wouldn't make deals today. Y'all acting like this is the same Spurs team that won't make deals when they win 55+ each year when they're obviously the opposite of that.

[MannyIsGod]

55 2nd round picks were moved at this deadline. Mostly because most of the contending teams are out of first round draft picks. Most of them now are also out of 2nd round draft picks. Which begs the question: Does that mean 2nd round draft picks are more valuable now? Or will teams trade first round draft picks again by the time free agency opens?

What will happen is that teams will sell off FRP come the draft. You can collect all the picks you want but eventually you'll have to move them because you can't use them all. A lot of those will be moved for multiple seconds, IMO.

[rjv]

collins still a hawk and OG still a raptor

[Ariel]

I expected to get a single SRP not 4. This is a pertty damn amazing haul for him IMO.
The 4 picks were NOT for Richardson, but for taking in 15M in contracts beyond this season (Graham: 12.1M next season, 2.8 -guaranteed- the following). Considering Dedmon's price of 1 2RP for taking in an expiring, I'd say say it's more like 1 pick for Richardson, 3 for the cap space.

[Mugen]

The Raptors not moving Van Fleet nor OG seems pretty dumb to me tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

What will happen is that teams will sell off FRP come the draft. You can collect all the picks you want but eventually you'll have to move them because you can't use them all. A lot of those will be moved for multiple seconds, IMO.

which means we can flip our 2nds into 1sts. That's exactly why it makes sense to collect those

[rjv]

After much talk, Toronto stays with Trent and Anunoby. The Poeltl trade signified strengthening rather than pulling the plug.

bodes well for our pick from the raptors next year. assuming they can hold onto VanVleet this summer.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know Wiseman sucks, but I thought it would be interesting if the Spurs could have got him for cap space and then did a reclamation project like with Collins. That said, I don't think GS could have swallowed trading Wiseman for cap space. It's hard to choke on a high draft pick. I mean, Josh Primo deal sucked, but I would be more upset about Wiseman if I had to chose between the two.

GS eventually turned Wiseman into Gary Payton II, which is a damn positive haul for a bust. They've managed to find that one GM who was still high on Wiseman. This deal shows how some hypothetical message board trades are nowhere near what reality is.

[Ariel]

GS eventually turned Wiseman into Gary Payton II, which is a damn positive haul for a bust. They've managed to find that one GM who was still high on Wiseman.
Which came down to identifying the GM who took on the previous "high potential" bust in Marvin Bagley.

[rjv]

can't help but laugh at the irony of wall being sent back to the rockets. :rollin

[Mr. Body]

Warriors did really well -- too well, in my mind -- considering what they had. Getting GPJ back is a big plus.

[gospursgojas]

Warriors did really well -- too well, in my mind -- considering what they had. Getting GPJ back is a big plus.

Meh. We aren’t competing w them for next 2-3 years.

[Mr. Body]

Meh. We aren’t competing w them for next 2-3 years.

I don't want them to equal our championship number.

[R. DeMurre]

Memphis getting Kennard and the Warriors getting Gary Payton ll are great moves.
This new second round pick batch trend is pretty cool, a nice sign of adaptation-- and just as there were flurries of comments about the uselessless of SRPs, the Warriors proved that theory wrong by reacquiring a guy who has a clear history or making them better.

[spurraider21]

I expected to get a single SRP not 4. This is a pertty damn amazing haul for him IMO.
they are trash picks. NOP are a good team and still have a good amount of incoming draft capital. good chance all those picks are well into the 50s

[spurraider21]

The Raptors not moving Van Fleet nor OG seems pretty dumb to me tbh.
also hurts us. their 2023 SRP wont be as good as it looks right now

[rjv]

also hurts us. their 2023 SRP wont be as good as it looks right now

dude, you're like the arthur schopenhauer of ST posters.

[Atl Spur]

This place would go bonkers if we lost / squandered a #2 draft pick…… the meltdown would be next level! ��

[Mr. Body]

These seem to be the incoming SRPs:

-2023 2nd (via TOR)
-2024 2nd (via NO)
-2025 2nd (via TOR)
-2026 2nd (via NO)
-2028 2nd (via NO)
-2028 2nd (via MIA)
-2029 2nd (via NO)

[Mr. Body]

These are the ONLY first round picks moved this deadline:

4 for Kevin Durant
1 for Kyrie Irving
1 for Jakob Poeltl
1 for Josh Hart
1 for Russ Trade

[timvp]

These are the ONLY first round picks moved this deadline:

4 for Kevin Durant
1 for Kyrie Irving
1 for Jakob Poeltl
1 for Josh Hart
1 for Russ Trade

The Wesbrook and Hart first rounders turn into second rounders right away if they don't convey. The only sure-fire first rounders are Durant, Irving and Poeltl :wow

[Mnky]

These are the ONLY first round picks moved this deadline:

4 for Kevin Durant
1 for Kyrie Irving
1 for Jakob Poeltl
1 for Josh Hart
1 for Russ Trade

Shows how dry the market was outside of three max contract players, nothing was really happening. Spurs did good.

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It's not because you repeat it, that's its gonna make it any truer, just saying.

And I'm sure the Bucks are happy SRPs got them Crowder.

A player who sat the entire year and will play a very limited role for the rest of this season and postseason. Folks keep making my point for me so thanks.

BTW, for additional proof of the uselessness of SRPs, Thomas Bryant was a 2017 SRP whose value is now 3 SRPs AND a player no one knew. So if you put a summary on this, depending on location in the second round, they're worth 1/4 of Thomas Bryant.

[KingKev]

it is good to know if we ever become relevant again we can trade 10 SRP’s for Brynn Forbes

[Mr. Body]

it is good to know if we ever become relevant again we can trade 10 SRP’s for Brynn Forbes

Good news! You can just sign him right now!

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I think this board is discounting early SRPs because this board has for some stupid reason totally turned on Tre Jones at this point. And who knows fucking why.

The math doesn't break down by early or late in production. Value yes. But taken as a whole, the odds of a SRP being in the league at 3 years is less than 20% -- early or late. And of those fewer than 3% are all stars or have 10 year careers.

[spurraider21]

if the charlotte pick ever conveys (obviously not happening this year, so its gotta be either 2024 or 2025), thats 5 extra FRP's between 2024 and 2027 in addition to potential swaps in 2026 and 2028 (on top of the 2 extra FRPs we just had in 2022)

[offset formation]

it is good to know if we ever become relevant again we can trade 10 SRP’s for Brynn Forbes

Careful, the board will think you've undervalued SRPs merely by mentioning BF. That name is toxic even though a late SRP is worth 1/4 Thomas Bryant.

This is going to be my new currency around here for SRPs. How many thomas Bryant's does it translate to. Kind of like the Scaramuchi in WH tenure time.

[JPB]

A player who sat the entire year and will play a very limited role for the rest of this season and postseason. Folks keep making my point for me so thanks.

BTW, for additional proof of the uselessness of SRPs, Thomas Bryant was a 2017 SRP whose value is now 3 SRPs AND a player no one knew. So if you put a summary on this, depending on location in the second round, they're worth 1/4 of Thomas Bryant.

You just witnessed live how SRPs can help you get basically eveything in the NBA. Give up already and don't get dogmatic about it like your life depends on that point. Everybody (but me) say stupid things, no need to spend hours looking for obscure examples to try to prove what everyone here know/just saw is wrong. Some FRPs also turn bad anyway, this isn't an exact science.

[Mr. Body]

The math doesn't break down by early or late in production. Value yes. But taken as a whole, the odds of a SRP being in the league at 3 years is less than 20% -- early or late. And of those fewer than 3% are all stars or have 10 year careers.

Can't win if you don't roll the dice.

[Atl Spur]

These are the ONLY first round picks moved this deadline:

4 for Kevin Durant
1 for Kyrie Irving
1 for Jakob Poeltl
1 for Josh Hart
1 for Russ Trade

Hey, stop making sense with the facts!! ST frowns upon that��

[Atl Spur]

it is good to know if we ever become relevant again we can trade 10 SRP’s for Brynn Forbes

Or draft a Jokic…….JS

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Can't win if you don't roll the dice.

Only debating why people get giddy about them here in trades when they say stuff like oh but they're throwing in a SRP... so fucking what is my point.

[KingKev]

Careful, the board will think you've undervalued SRPs merely by mentioning BF. That name is toxic even though a late SRP is worth 1/4 Thomas Bryant.

This is going to be my new currency around here for SRPs. How many thomas Bryant's does it translate to. Kind of like the Scaramuchi in WH tenure time.

haha put some respekt on Scaramuchi’s name.

[offset formation]

You just witnessed live how SRPs can help you get basically eveything in the NBA. Give up already and don't get dogmatic about it like your life depends on that point. Everybody (but me) say stupid things, no need to spend hours looking for obscure examples to try to prove what everyone here know/just saw is wrong. Some FRPs also turn bad anyway, this isn't an exact science.

Lol. Define everything. If you mean slightly better draft position with like 4 or more or an NBA journeyman, then sure everything. Nothing I've said on this topic was stupid. Furthermore I'm the only one backing up my post with stats and articles.

[JPB]

Lol. Define everything. If you mean slightly better draft position with like 4 or more or an NBA journeyman, then sure everything. Nothing I've said on this topic was stupid. Furthermore I'm the only one backing up my post with stats and articles.

You know I didn't mean litterally "everything", just a way of speaking. Things and markets change all the times, if you wanna fresh stats, just look what happened today, cos it's right there in front of your eyes and cos I'm done. Pointless.

[Ariel]

Careful, the board will think you've undervalued SRPs merely by mentioning BF. That name is toxic even though a late SRP is worth 1/4 Thomas Bryant.

This is going to be my new currency around here for SRPs. How many thomas Bryant's does it translate to. Kind of like the Scaramuchi in WH tenure time.
We're going to be bad for a while, and have 3/4 2nd rounders (including our own) for each of the next 3 years. I think we have a real shot at moving up from our own 2nd into the latter part of the 1st round using 1 or 2 extra picks. If you think of it has having an extra late first rounder every year, it doesn't sound too bad considering we've had success drafting in that range (DJ, White, Keldon).

[JPB]

We're going to be bad for a while, and have 3/4 2nd rounders (including our own) for each of the next 3 years. I think we have a real shot at moving up from our own 2nd into the latter part of the 1st round using 1 or 2 extra picks. If you think of it has having an extra late first rounder every year, it doesn't sound too bad considering we've had success drafting in that range (DJ, White, Keldon).

Yep, and can help you make a bigger trade adding one or a couple SRPs other teams won't or can't.

Plus, the more you roll the dice, the bigger the probability of getting a steal there.

[CGD]

These seem to be the incoming SRPs:

-2023 2nd (via TOR)
-2024 2nd (via NO)
-2025 2nd (via TOR)
-2026 2nd (via NO)
-2028 2nd (via NO)
-2028 2nd (via MIA)
-2029 2nd (via NO)

Nice

[Ariel]

Yep, and can help you make a bigger trade adding one or a couple SRPs other teams won't or can't.

Plus, the more you roll the dice, the bigger the probability of getting a steal there.
There's a limit to how much you can roll the dice (can't add 4 rookies every year), but consolidating them into 2 better prospects or trade assets is a realistic path. Also, you can take a couple extra flier on draft & stash guys, like it could have been last year with Procida & Kamagate... there's usually at least one interesting draft & stash candidate every year, they don't take space on your roster, and you can always bring them if they improve enough.

[offset formation]

We're going to be bad for a while, and have 3/4 2nd rounders (including our own) for each of the next 3 years. I think we have a real shot at moving up from our own 2nd into the latter part of the 1st round using 1 or 2 extra picks. If you think of it has having an extra late first rounder every year, it doesn't sound too bad considering we've had success drafting in that range (DJ, White, Keldon).

It obviously depends on where the SRPs origiate but they have such limited value individually especially from lower in the second that you're going to need at least 3 if not 4 to move from say the 34th pick to the 25th pick or whatever. In some drafts that talent disparity between those 9 spots is practically nil.

So again depending on the origination of the SRP, each one is worth maaaybe 2 or 3 spots each. There's very little value in the SRP from like 42 to the end. But even multiple SRPs don't do much to move the needle more than 10-12 spots with picks in the high 30s.

Overall very overrated position. And the article I posted up top speaks to how often NBA front offices mismanage them.

[offset formation]

Nice

Not really, as we've been discussing. Expect none of those to be above 40. Meaning they're ALL collectively worth maaaaaybe two Thomas Bryants.

And my guess is if we actually draft those positions those guys will be in the league for about 10 Scaramuchis.

[tbdog]

Did warriors trade Wiseman for gp3?

[DPG21920]

Did warriors trade Wiseman for gp3?

Yup

[JeffDuncan]

The math doesn't break down by early or late in production. Value yes. But taken as a whole, the odds of a SRP being in the league at 3 years is less than 20% -- early or late. And of those fewer than 3% are all stars or have 10 year careers.


One problem in what you’re saying is that the “10 year career” rule misses Jokic, for example. It rules out the entire last 10 years of the draft. The analysis has to be more reasonable. But 3 years, okay.

Go back to the 2014 draft, 2nd round, and look for players in the league 3 yrs or more.

K.J. McDaniels, Joe Harris, Johnny O’Bryant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, JOKIC, Markel Brown, Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson, Jordan McRae.

No matter what anybody says, I would darn sure have wanted an SRP in that one. Preferably more than one.

You’re saying, I refuse to go diamond mining because I know the average rock I find will only be a rock. That’s true, and everyone knows it. But the point is, not every rock will be only a rock. You’re using an “average rock “ statistical argument where the whole reason for the activity is the diamonds.

In short, stats don’t apply to unique events.

As far as value goes, the value of something is what someone else will pay for it, or trade for it.

[offset formation]

One problem in what you’re saying is that the “10 year career” rule misses Jokic, for example. It rules out the entire last 10 years of the draft. The analysis has to be more reasonable. But 3 years, okay.

Go back to the 2014 draft, 2nd round, and look for players in the league 3 yrs or more.

K.J. McDaniels, Joe Harris, Johnny O’Bryant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, JOKIC, Markel Brown, Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson, Jordan McRae.

No matter what anybody says, I would darn sure have wanted an SRP in that one. Preferably more than one.

You’re saying, I refuse to go diamond mining because I know the average rock I find will only be a rock. That’s true, and everyone knows it. But the point is, not every rock will be only a rock. You’re using an “average rock “ statistical argument where the whole reason for the activity is the diamonds.

In short, stats don’t apply to unique events.

As far as value goes, the value of something is what someone else will pay for it, or trade for it.

Yes, there is always the golden goose exception. Jokic being a lock HOFer is the problem with being as absolutist as I've been on this topic. And aside from that rarity every decade or 300 picks, my point remains valid.

And yes I used stats that back up your point. Less than 1% of SRPs make it to the all-star or 10-year mark.

So in summary, you've made a good argument but I'm still right.

[TD 21]

On the lack of 1sts being moved, there's only so many left (maybe not technically, but realistically) and most of even the best players traded are old fringe starter types.

Winners . . .

Lakers: Got significantly younger, more athletic and shooting for relatively little.
Grizzlies: Got needed 3-point shooting/secondary play making for very little.
Bucks: Added 3 and D combo forward, will probably add tertiary creator in buyout market.
Suns: Vaulted back into championship contention, possibly for up to 4 years.
Trail Blazers: Got younger, more athletic and draft equity without losing much.
Spurs: Added significantly more draft equity, one of which has potential to be high quality asset.

Losers . . .

Nuggets: Upgraded backup C (though not the type they need), but gave away best expendable asset to competitor.
Pistons: Added another pedigreed, developmental C who can't shoot for a young 3 and Dish combo forward.
Warriors: Could have had young 3 and Dish combo forward, instead chose nostalgia.
Clippers: Failed to address PG, will likely add damaging one on buyout market, continue to have too many mouths to feed.
Heat: Failed to add a true four.
Raptors: All sound, no fury. Maintained bad vibes, risked injury/outright losing assets to free agency, added another non shooter for potentially mid-late lottery pick.

[JeffDuncan]

…

So in summary, you've made a good argument but I'm still right.


You’re right about the rocks. But not about the diamonds. You won’t get the diamonds unless you pick up the, um, pick and dig.

I blame you for that sorry pun. It’s your fault.

[JPB]

As far as value goes, the value of something is what someone else will pay for it, or trade for it.

Indeed. Reason why this year SRPs were very valuable and got a lot of things done. Maybe the bubble will explode, but as long as they do get things done, they're valuable, indepedently of what players you'd get with them. With in mind a diamond in the rough can change your franchise for a decade...

[JeffDuncan]

…

Winners . . .

Lakers: Got significantly younger, more athletic and shooting for relatively little.
...


Excellent, with any luck it’ll take them out of the running for Wemby. So they’ll have to tamper their way to him 10 years from now.

[CGD]

Not really, as we've been discussing. Expect none of those to be above 40. Meaning they're ALL collectively worth maaaaaybe two Thomas Bryants.

And my guess is if we actually draft those positions those guys will be in the league for about 10 Scaramuchis.

SRPs are less about the player man. They’re the grease that get shit done, including today when they were thrown around like candy along with other pieces to fetch some pretty decent players.

[Kurik]

Excellent, with any luck it’ll take them out of the running for Wemby. So they’ll have to tamper their way to him 10 years from now.


New Orleans owns the Lakers pick.

[Mr. Body]

On the lack of 1sts being moved, there's only so many left (maybe not technically, but realistically) and most of even the best players traded are old fringe starter types.

Winners . . .

Lakers: Got significantly younger, more athletic and shooting for relatively little.
Grizzlies: Got needed 3-point shooting/secondary play making for very little.
Bucks: Added 3 and D combo forward, will probably add tertiary creator in buyout market.
Suns: Vaulted back into championship contention, possibly for up to 4 years.
Trail Blazers: Got younger, more athletic and draft equity without losing much.
Spurs: Added significantly more draft equity, one of which has potential to be high quality asset.

Losers . . .

Nuggets: Upgraded backup C (though not the type they need), but gave away best expendable asset to competitor.
Pistons: Added another pedigreed, developmental C who can't shoot for a young 3 and Dish combo forward.
Warriors: Could have had young 3 and Dish combo forward, instead chose nostalgia.
Clippers: Failed to address PG, will likely add damaging one on buyout market, continue to have too many mouths to feed.
Heat: Failed to add a true four.
Raptors: All sound, no fury. Maintained bad vibes, risked injury/outright losing assets to free agency, added another non shooter for potentially mid-late lottery pick.

Good thoughts. It's so hard to tell about many of these moves.

Suns: Taking a huge swing while they still have C-Paul, but they were bad when it was just Boozer and Ayton and in a few years those picks could be badly needed. A franchise that has never ringed, though, go for it. I'm not even sure Durant will be healthy this year.
Nets: Sean Marks is more in his element looking for scrappy, valuable players. He ended the Era of Woeful Dipshits by restocking the coffers and getting started on the next.
Raptors: Probably a loss for not moving a piece, but I do like the Poeltl trade. They have good perimeter defenders and needed someone in the middle.
Warrors: Traded Wiseman for Gary Payton, Jr.?
Clippers: Need to get a sense of what happened here. Overall I think they got some really good pieces with Gordon and Plumlee. If Leonard stays healthy they could be a menace.
Spurs: Added a good FRP and like seven SRPs for two players they wouldn't be resigning. That's almost literally two magic tricks.

[JeffDuncan]

New Orleans owns the Lakers pick.


Thank you, sir, in all that’s been going on I lost track.

[offset formation]

SRPs are less about the player man. They’re the grease that get shit done, including today when they were thrown around like candy along with other pieces to fetch some pretty decent players.

So like sugar on your Wheaties that is not nutritionally beneficial or ultimately worthwhile to the meal?

[offset formation]

New Orleans owns the Lakers pick.

Thought it was a swap???

[Mr. Body]

Thought it was a swap???

Yes.

[CGD]

So like sugar on your Wheaties that is not nutritionally beneficial or ultimately worthwhile to the meal?


Did you not just watch this deadline? Useful role players like GP3, Bey, Crowder, Richardson (himself), Gordon, etc., etc. just went for the cannon fodder that are SRPs.

Also, is anyone buying the already trash Wheaties without the sugar?

[Joseph Kony]

Nice, Spurs increase the tank odds get some picks while getting rid of soft ass Poeltl and not paying him 20M+ in the off season . :tu deadline was a success

[offset formation]

Did you not just watch this deadline? Useful role players like GP3, Bey, Crowder, Richardson (himself), Gordon, etc., etc. just went for the cannon fodder that are SRPs.

Also, is anyone buying the already trash Wheaties without the sugar?

Breakfast of champions like Bruce Jenner Kardashian, so something clearly happened there with something missing?

[rascal]

There's a limit to how much you can roll the dice (can't add 4 rookies every year), but consolidating them into 2 better prospects or trade assets is a realistic path. Also, you can take a couple extra flier on draft & stash guys, like it could have been last year with Procida & Kamagate... there's usually at least one interesting draft & stash candidate every year, they don't take space on your roster, and you can always bring them if they improve enough.

Those draft and stash players haven't worked for a long time for the Spurs. Hard to find those type of steals anymore.

[NickiRasgo]

OT but damn Jazz turning bag of chips into haul of assets:

> Tyler Lydon & Trey Lyles
>> Donovan Mitchell
>>> Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, Ochai Agbaji, Three (3) Unprotected First-Round Picks (2025, 2027, 2029), Two (2) Pick Swaps (2026, 2028)


> 46th & Cash Consideration
>> Rudy Gobert
>>> Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt, 2023 First-Round Pick (Unprotected), 2025 First-Round Pick (Unprotected), 2027 First-Round Pick (Unprotected), 2029 First-Round Pick (Top-Five Protected)

I know there's more but gotta stop here.

[K...]

Those draft and stash players haven't worked for a long time for the Spurs. Hard to find those type of steals anymore.

The spurs have adapted by using the g league and 2 way contracts to replace stashes. You can guarantee the spurs will use 1 to 2 SRP on the 2 ways and a few guys for the toros. Having multiple SRP increase the odds of getting a good one. We will see something fun soon with this SRP haul

[mo7888]

Gary Payton failed his physical.... trade 'could' be rescinded..

[ace3g]

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Just in: A failed physical exam of Gary Payton II has placed the Golden State-Portland-Detroit-Atlanta four-team deal in serious jeopardy, sources tell me and @anthonyVslater (https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/). Payton's core muscle injury could sideline him for up to three months following a Warriors exam.

6:08pm · 10 Feb 2023 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1624198617706946562) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Warriors have until Saturday to go through with the trade -- or have the entire four-team deal be rescinded, sources said. Golden State re-acquired Payton at the trade deadline on Thursday.

[DPG21920]

Wow - that is pretty wild.

[Mugen]

How much does that cost the Dubs if the Wiseman trade doesn't go through? :lol

[K...]

should of taken sadique bey when offered. too late now.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Would be super awkward if Wiseman was made to return :lol

[BacktoBasics]

GP being injured for 3 months or not even playing this season is still better than Wiseman at 107mil or whatever that nightmare tax was.

[Mr. Body]

GP being injured for 3 months or not even playing this season is still better than Wiseman at 107mil or whatever that nightmare tax was.

Hard agree.

And wtf Portland. Giving dude pain shots and telling him to play thru it. Their med staff has long had an awful reputation. Probably cut Brandon Roy's career short.

[Ariel]

Hard agree.

And wtf Portland. Giving dude pain shots and telling him to play thru it. Their med staff has long had an awful reputation. Probably cut Brandon Roy's career short.
No, he had some degenerative condition on his knees prior to playing in Portland, in fact that's what caused him to slip on draft day. A shame such a talent went to waste.

[Ariel]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/brandon-roy-knew-something-wasnt-right-about-his-knees/

But truth be told, he always knew it would come to this. He just didn’t think it would come so soon.
His knees have bothered him since high school, when he had the first of his six knee surgeries that eventually left him without the meniscus in either knee, causing bone-on-bone friction when he jumped and cut.
Swollen knees became as common as blisters, but he was always able to play through it, sometimes heroically, like Game 4 of the 2010 playoffs against Phoenix, when he returned eight days after knee surgery to play and help the Blazers to victory.
“Even when I felt like my knees were giving me problems, I remember telling my dad that I have to play in every game because I don’t know how many I will get to play,” Roy said. “There were times my knees were swelling up so bad I didn’t know how long they were going to hold up. So I felt I had to go for it, now.”

[tonight...you]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/brandon-roy-knew-something-wasnt-right-about-his-knees/
Damn. Warrior.
And knowing his pops... dude is proud.

[Mr. Body]

No, he had some degenerative condition on his knees prior to playing in Portland, in fact that's what caused him to slip on draft day. A shame such a talent went to waste.

It's widely considered that Portland shortened his career and also did Greg Oden pretty badly, too.

[Ariel]

It's widely considered that Portland shortened his career and also did Greg Oden pretty badly, too.
Oden was pretty much cursed since he stepped foot on an NBA court too. Not saying they received the best care possible, maybe they could have had it a little easier... but they had really, really bad problems to begin with that far exceeded Portland, as I cited.

[Mr. Body]

Oden was pretty much cursed since he stepped foot on an NBA court too. Not saying they received the best care possible, maybe they could have had it a little easier... but they had really, really bad problems to begin with that far exceeded Portland, as I cited.

I just literally read some articles about how Portland's medical staff should have handled things much better.

[ace3g]

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Ric Bucher RicBucher
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The NBA created a data base, a team exec told me, in which every injury and medical report on every player is kept, accessible by every team, in order to avoid fiascos like this Payton-back-to-GSW deal. Somebody didn’t follow protocol.

[Mr. Body]

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Ric Bucher RicBucher
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The NBA created a data base, a team exec told me, in which every injury and medical report on every player is kept, accessible by every team, in order to avoid fiascos like this Payton-back-to-GSW deal. Somebody didn’t follow protocol.

If the trade doesn't go thru, owners of ATL and GSW stand to sue POR for voiding the trade -- they stood to save a lot in luxury tax money.

[The Truth #6]

That database sounds surprising…every team can read about every player’s injury history? Never heard of that.

[Gibbz]

That database sounds surprising…every team can read about every player’s injury history? Never heard of that.

Would certainly be interesting to see it.

[baseline bum]

I just literally read some articles about how Portland's medical staff should have handled things much better.

Links? I'd love to read that shit, there had to be a reason that team kills so many promising careers.

[exstatic]

It's widely considered that Portland shortened his career and also did Greg Oden pretty badly, too.

Portland was well known for blowing through medical red flags, and drafting guys anyway. Oden didn’t play at all his rookie season, and played one season’s worth of games, 82 total, over the next two seasons at like 22 minutes per game. That’s not abuse or over use, and speaks much more to pre-existing conditions or a genetic flaw of some kind.

[CGD]

If the trade doesn't go thru, owners of ATL and GSW stand to sue POR for voiding the trade -- they stood to save a lot in luxury tax money.

Doubt it. I think all trade are “subject to passing physicals.” The question is whether there are penalties for not properly reporting to that injury database thing.

[cjw]

GP being injured for 3 months or not even playing this season is still better than Wiseman at 107mil or whatever that nightmare tax was.

They’re not saving much at all! Payton only makes $1.3 million less than Wiseman. So savings will be a fraction of that number.

[Chinook]

I wonder if the Warriors could just waive Wiseman in hopes the Spurs or someone with a TE claims him. They could even call FO's they trust to see if they can make that happen.

[JPB]

That database sounds surprising…every team can read about every player’s injury history? Never heard of that.

Yeah, that would be weird, and I don't even know it could technically be possible and correct, not to mention legal issues.

[timvp]

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Ric Bucher RicBucher
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The NBA created a data base, a team exec told me, in which every injury and medical report on every player is kept, accessible by every team, in order to avoid fiascos like this Payton-back-to-GSW deal. Somebody didn’t follow protocol.

Is that new? I've never heard of that. Sounds like BS from Bucher, tbh.

[JeffDuncan]

Is that new? I've never heard of that. Sounds like BS from Bucher, tbh.


It doesn’t sound right, as he stated it. An injury report data base, sure.

But medical reports? A patient waiver (to share info on his medical condition) is required under HIPA, and I’m pretty sure the player’s waiver is only for his own team. I doubt it’s legal for a player’s medical records to be shared with the whole league.

[heyheymymy]

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[TDMVPDPOY]

wiseman a wasted player due to gsw offensive system...i wonder if he still has improvement in him that can still be develop in the correct system...there are still teams out there still putting out big man frontlines....

if he was still on his rookie contract, wouldve made sense for a trade...

[mo7888]

I wonder if the Warriors could just waive Wiseman in hopes the Spurs or someone with a TE claims him. They could even call FO's they trust to see if they can make that happen.

That would be very savy on their part.... I like it..

[TD 21]

^ Lacob is far too arrogant to ever be perceived as making a financially motivated transaction.

[CGD]

^ Lacob is far too arrogant to ever be perceived as making a financially motivated transaction.

Except he just made one by reading Wiseman away?

[RC_Drunkford]

the best thing was Detroit's GM talking about "We have not beaten any of Boston, Milwaukee, Philly or Cleveland this season. We need size to beat one of those teams." You're a tanking team with 15 wins, Wiseman won't help you beat any of the contenders :lmao

[TD 21]

Except he just made one by reading Wiseman away?

And turning him into Payton II (whether they pull out of the trade today or not). Sure, that might have lessened the financial burden, but at that point it could be spun as making a "basketball trade".

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1624845560820768770

[JPB]

Zion still out for weeks. Oden 2.0?

[exstatic]

Zion still out for weeks. Oden 2.0?

He doesn’t seem to be able to stay healthy. It’s a weird body type/ athleticism combination. It’s always going to over stress his joints, ligaments, and muscles.

[Mr. Body]

He doesn’t seem to be able to stay healthy. It’s a weird body type/ athleticism combination. It’s always going to over stress his joints, ligaments, and muscles.

He's a fat boi with bow legs who depends on athleticism. Every time his chunky body lands it puts more pressure on those little infant knees.

[timvp]

Zion still out for weeks. Oden 2.0?

Those 2028 and 2029 second rounders . . .

[K...]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1624845560820768770

what is there to work out? buyer's keepers, they can void the trade or not. CAn you renogiate after the deadline? that would seem to be contrary to the point of a deadline

[XDT76]

what is there to work out? buyer's keepers, they can void the trade or not. CAn you renogiate after the deadline? that would seem to be contrary to the point of a deadline

Probably they wanna complete the trade but ask for injury waiver or insurance.

[K...]

Shams words it better.
.The NBA has received a complaint from the Golden State Warriors against the Portland Trail Blazers and the league has launched a review of potential misleading by the Blazers regarding Gary Payton II's status, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.h

This seems more like they want the league to award draft compensation than renegotiation

[objective]

what is there to work out? buyer's keepers, they can void the trade or not. CAn you renogiate after the deadline? that would seem to be contrary to the point of a deadline

There have been renegotiations in the past but I don't think they were cut off by the deadline

When the Spurs traded for Charlesv Smith, him and Monty were held out of the first half of their first game because of Smith's bad legs and the Spurs squeezed the Knicks for more cash to keep the trade from being voided for a failed physical.

But that was 2 weeks before the deadline, so I don't know if GS can demand to only pay with 2 or 3 seconds instead of 5

[K...]

Womp womp warriors take the. L. And wait for the league to punish Portland...who say he was fit to play...but needed pain killers

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35647582/gary-payton-four-team-trade-track-go-through

[Mr. Body]

Really puts Portland's reputation in the toilet.

[Ice009]

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What are the 2026 and 2027 less favorable picks? What does that mean? Also, what is the 2026 SAS or IND or MIA pick mean?

And the 2028 and 2029 picks, are they all second rounders from MIA & NOP?

[exstatic]

What are the 2026 and 2027 less favorable picks? What does that mean? Also, what is the 2026 SAS or IND or MIA pick mean?

And the 2028 and 2029 picks, are they all second rounders from MIA & NOP?

1. Less favorable should read least favorable. Take all of the group of picks that are /d together, and we get the worst one of the group

2. Since they are under the banner marked FUTURE 2nd ROUND PICKS (their caps, not mine), I’d say yes, they’re SRPs.

[JPB]

what is there to work out? buyer's keepers, they can void the trade or not. CAn you renogiate after the deadline? that would seem to be contrary to the point of a deadline

GS is trying to get compensation from the league (probably getting back a few of the 5 SRPs they gave) if it's proven Portland hid medical information, which is a form a renegociation I guess. Portland could be fined too and lose picks other than the ones they'd give back to GS.

[JPB]

He's a fat boi with bow legs who depends on athleticism. Every time his chunky body lands it puts more pressure on those little infant knees.

I know there's a weight clause in the max extension deal he signed last summer but not sure about games played. Irony is he signed a 5 year 193M deal starting next season that could rise up to to 231M would he have been named an all star this 2022-2023 season, which he's been, despite playing like 30 games... The league and media trolled NO, lol...

Not sure what kind of insurance deal NO signed for Zion but couldn't be long before he become the worst contract in the league, which I don't wish him ofc.