Summer trades

[mo7888]

I think we need a thread just focused on the trades we are about to see.

First up- Shams says Beal looks like he's going to Miami or Phoenix. If it's Phoenix then Ayton or CP3 have to be involved.

Edited to add a little more: Apparently Washington is pushing to get a Beal trade done quickly. They are afraid that if Portland can find a deal for #3 that Lillard will push for a trade and complicate the market for Beal.

[BackHome]

Anyone who is going to need our cap space so we can get some more picks....YES, I am greedy ...:hungry:

[BacktoBasics]

Washington is probably not wrong to think that.

[Mr. Body]

Miami seems pretty motivated to pick up Beal. Unless they think they can get in on the Lillard thing, I suppose, but that seems pretty unlikely.

[Robz4000]

Not even sure why anyone wants Beal tbh; especially on that contract. Dude has been cooked a few years now.

[Mr. Body]

Scuttlebutt is Miami wants to get Beal without giving up Herro. It has to be more or less a salary dump; Miami has few assets.

Phoenix is interested for some dumb reason. Apparently Beal's agent's dad is the CEO of the Suns. Sheesh.

[mo7888]

Scuttlebutt is Miami wants to get Beal without giving up Herro. It has to be more or less a salary dump; Miami has few assets.

Phoenix is interested for some dumb reason. Apparently Beal's agent's dad is the CEO of the Suns. Sheesh.

I think the new ownership in Phoenix is going to rival the ownership in Houston for the worst in the league..

[Mr. Body]

I think the new ownership in Phoenix is going to rival the ownership in Houston for the worst in the league..

At some points I feel sorry for Suns fans.

[ducks]

Suns will have title before mavs or Houston

[Ariel]

Scuttlebutt is Miami wants to get Beal without giving up Herro. It has to be more or less a salary dump; Miami has few assets.

Phoenix is interested for some dumb reason. Apparently Beal's agent's dad is the CEO of the Suns. Sheesh.
They're surely more concerned about keeping Herro as a trade asset rather than his on court production, which was proven irrelevant. Salary wise they can use Lowry and Oladipo, but it depends whether they'd go for a pick based compensation. Miami's future beyond the next 3 years would look quite bleak (Butler would be 37, Beal 34, they'd probably flip Herro if they can retain him), and Miami could offer #18 (rights) + '28 1st + '30 1st + '27 swap + '29 swap. That may be enough given Beal's decline and horrendous contract.

[ismael-robert]

Was Herro irrelevant or could they have won with him

[Degoat]

Was Herro irrelevant or could they have won with him

I think he’s a nice player (wouldnt hate the spurs having him) bit of a chunker tho

[Chinook]

I wonder if the Spurs would consider a Beal trade. From the looks of it, there's not a great market for him, so the Spurs could likely beat any offer without much effort. The Spurs could also match salary pretty easily or mostly take Beal into cap space. Just spit-balling, but say the Spurs use do something where they agree to trade for Beal using Keldon, Graham and McDermott

Micic, Jones, Wesley
Beal, Branham, Champ
Vassell, KBD, 33
Wemby, Sochan, Mamu
Lopez, Collins, Bassey

TW: Barlow, 44, camp cast-off

It would be a completely different look we've talked about. I'm not sure Beal and his contract would be the ideal running mate for Wemby, and I've said before that I don't think the Spurs should consider strong win-now moves at this point. But Beal was a legit All-Star still in what should be his physical prime. That he could be had for so little that the Spurs could probably make two "all-in" trades after making a Beal deal makes him more intriguing for me than the average deal I see thrown out by the media.

[tonight...you]

I wonder if the Spurs would consider a Beal trade. From the looks of it, there's not a great market for him, so the Spurs could likely beat any offer without much effort. The Spurs could also match salary pretty easily or mostly take Beal into cap space. Just spit-balling, but say the Spurs use do something where they agree to trade for Beal using Keldon, Graham and McDermott

Micic, Jones, Wesley
Beal, Branham, Champ
Vassell, KBD, 33
Wemby, Sochan, Mamu
Lopez, Collins, Bassey

TW: Barlow, 44, camp cast-off

It would be a completely different look we've talked about. I'm not sure Beal and his contract would be the ideal running mate for Wemby, and I've said before that I don't think the Spurs should consider strong win-now moves at this point. But Beal was a legit All-Star still in what should be his physical prime. That he could be had for so little that the Spurs could probably make two "all-in" trades after making a Beal deal makes him more intriguing for me than the average deal I see thrown out by the media.
Smile.
I dig it.
Not happening.
Especially Lopez.

[CGD]

^ y’all are nut or trolling.

Last thing I want right now are big ass contracts that go beyond a year, two max. We need to see what type of player will be best around him first and assess how the current one’s fit.

All for renting space for assets, and maybe signing a few vets to show the youngsters the ropes though. Not opposed to a CP3 trade for example with understanding they Spurs will do best to move him at the deadline (or ideally he gives back some of the money if he’s waived ahead of the buy out market).

[RC_Drunkford]

again it's not about what teams can offer. Beal can decide what they get back for him. If he wants a trade to Phoenix for CP3, a bag of chips and multiple seconds the Wizards have no option. Now I assume he won't hold them hostage and get them some picks back (from Miami since Phoenix can't offer any 1sts), but it's not about "beating an offer" here

[Ariel]

I wonder if the Spurs would consider a Beal trade. From the looks of it, there's not a great market for him, so the Spurs could likely beat any offer without much effort. The Spurs could also match salary pretty easily or mostly take Beal into cap space. Just spit-balling, but say the Spurs use do something where they agree to trade for Beal using Keldon, Graham and McDermott Micic, Jones, Wesley Beal, Branham, Champ Vassell, KBD, 33 Wemby, Sochan, Mamu Lopez, Collins, Bassey TW: Barlow, 44, camp cast-off It would be a completely different look we've talked about. I'm not sure Beal and his contract would be the ideal running mate for Wemby, and I've said before that I don't think the Spurs should consider strong win-now moves at this point. But Beal was a legit All-Star still in what should be his physical prime. That he could be had for so little that the Spurs could probably make two "all-in" trades after making a Beal deal makes him more intriguing for me than the average deal I see thrown out by the media. Bradley Beal is owed 200M+ for the next 4 years (30 to 34 years old, the entirety of Wemby's rookie contract). Forget about Keldon: would you extend that offer if he was a FA right now? I wouldn't

[CGD]

again it's not about what teams can offer. Beal can decide what they get back for him. If he wants a trade to Phoenix for CP3, a bag of chips and multiple seconds the Wizards have no option. Now I assume he won't hold them hostage and get them some picks back (from Miami since Phoenix can't offer any 1sts), but it's not about "beating an offer" here

^ exactly, which makes WAS’ situation so difficult. Feels like salary dump plus 2 picks might be best they can get. Even then they may need to include Robinson.

[Ariel]

^ exactly, which makes WAS’ situation so difficult. Feels like salary dump plus 2 picks might be best they can get. Even then they may need to include Robinson.
Washington doesn't need to oblige. If Beal sabotages their leverage, they can f him over by keeping him through a multi year tank. I think he'll quickly come to his senses and allow for a more favorable trade by the deadline. Stand your ground and call the bluff, worked for Philadelphia with Simmons and New Orleans with AD.

[CGD]

Washington doesn't need to oblige. If Beal sabotages their leverage, they can f him over by keeping him through a multi year tank. I think he'll quickly come to his senses and allow for a more favorable trade by the deadline.

I think that’s a game Beta Beal is more than happy to play. He’s all about the checks.

[Ariel]

I think that’s a game Beta Beal is more than happy to play. He’s all about the checks.
Nah. He's used to being worshiped as the main guy on a treadmill team. If he openly sabotages Washington's trade options and antagonizes management, he's liable to get screwed by them in multiple ways and won't be the fanbase's darling anymore. He's got plenty to lose if things go sour.

[CGD]

Nah. He's used to being worshiped as the main guy on a treadmill team. If he openly sabotages Washington's trade options and antagonizes management, he's liable to get screwed by them in multiple ways and won't be the fanbase's darling anymore. He's got plenty to lose if things go sour.

Folks here in DC have started to figure out the deal with him. Also, he’s never gonna be as beloved at Wall was here. If anything he’ll play the victim/narrative game if they start benching him for long periods.

[mo7888]

The Athletic-

According to league sources, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the trade talks, Miami would send guards Kyle Lowry and Duncan Robinson, along with multiple first-round picks, to Washington for Beal. Phoenix would send center Deandre Ayton and additional cap filler or include future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul and Landry Shamet to the Wizards for Beal.

[CGD]

The Athletic-

According to league sources, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the trade talks, Miami would send guards Kyle Lowry and Duncan Robinson, along with multiple first-round picks, to Washington for Beal. Phoenix would send center Deandre Ayton and additional cap filler or include future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul and Landry Shamet to the Wizards for Beal.

Sounds about right. It would be SUCH as Wizards move to take back Ayton. Gotta get that play-in slot!

Jeesh, I hope they don’t do it, but I know they will somehow… ugh!

[Degoat]

It’s gonna be the suns tbh all KD and Booker gotta do is pickup the phone and tell Beal how he’s the missing piece etc

[mo7888]

Sounds about right. It would be SUCH as Wizards move to take back Ayton. Gotta get that play-in slot!

Jeesh, I hope they don’t do it, but I know they will somehow… ugh!

I agree... I almost wonder if they went with the Phoenix offer if they wouldn't expand it to include cp3 and add porzingus to the outgoing package? Or maybe they see Ayton and KP as a future front court?

[baseline bum]

I wonder if the Spurs would consider a Beal trade. From the looks of it, there's not a great market for him, so the Spurs could likely beat any offer without much effort. The Spurs could also match salary pretty easily or mostly take Beal into cap space. Just spit-balling, but say the Spurs use do something where they agree to trade for Beal using Keldon, Graham and McDermott

Micic, Jones, Wesley
Beal, Branham, Champ
Vassell, KBD, 33
Wemby, Sochan, Mamu
Lopez, Collins, Bassey

TW: Barlow, 44, camp cast-off

It would be a completely different look we've talked about. I'm not sure Beal and his contract would be the ideal running mate for Wemby, and I've said before that I don't think the Spurs should consider strong win-now moves at this point. But Beal was a legit All-Star still in what should be his physical prime. That he could be had for so little that the Spurs could probably make two "all-in" trades after making a Beal deal makes him more intriguing for me than the average deal I see thrown out by the media.

No thanks at $47 million, $50 million, $54 million, and $57 million over the next four years. Didn't even like that shrimp in his prime much less now when he's a China doll.

[CGD]

I agree... I almost wonder if they went with the Phoenix offer if they wouldn't expand it to include cp3 and add porzingus to the outgoing package? Or maybe they see Ayton and KP as a future front court?

I feel like they have bigger trade plans for KP down the road now that he’s opted in. Could see some teams interested in him for a playoff push.

[Chinook]

again it's not about what teams can offer. Beal can decide what they get back for him. If he wants a trade to Phoenix for CP3, a bag of chips and multiple seconds the Wizards have no option. Now I assume he won't hold them hostage and get them some picks back (from Miami since Phoenix can't offer any 1sts), but it's not about "beating an offer" here

It is about what teams can offer. It's just not solely about that. Would Beal only be willing to waive his NTC for those teams? Maybe. Could another team sell him? Maybe. Could the Spurs with Pop, Wemby and a bunch of assets sell him? No idea. I don't like his salary. I've been on record that the DPE is basically a failure. But the Spurs can take his salary better than the average team can, both in terms of long-term flexibility and in terms of matching contracts. I don't think they'd have that hard of a time selling him if they really wanted to.

[mo7888]

Part of the reason for holding up full completion on the Wizards-Suns trade will be to allow Washington to field offers from third teams that would give Chris Paul a chance to land with a contender, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

[CGD]

Part of the reason for holding up full completion on the Wizards-Suns trade will be to allow Washington to field offers from third teams that would give Chris Paul a chance to land with a contender, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

Makes sense.

Basically I think teams have to beat out Clips package around expirings and 2023FRP (30th).

[mo7888]

Makes sense.

Basically I think teams have to beat out Clips package around expirings and 2023FRP (30th).

I think it'll be hard to beat that clippers offer...i just dont see teams besting down the door to add cp3 at his #

[mo7888]

Bill Simmons is reporting this morning that he's talked with a reliable source and expects Zion to be traded this week.

[CGD]

Bill Simmons is reporting this morning that he's talked with a reliable source and expects Zion to be traded this week.

Feels like charlotte to me

[Mr. Body]

Zion is like Beal. Saves big headaches by getting rid of him. I would be amazed if he pulled the #2 pick. Charlotte can't be that nuts, can they?

[mo7888]

Zion is like Beal. Saves big headaches by getting rid of him. I would be amazed if he pulled the #2 pick. Charlotte can't be that nuts, can they?

I think it depends on the upciming ownership. I know MJ is heading the meetings this week, but youd have to the new ownership would have a lot of influence over a move like that.

[mo7888]

Feels like charlotte to me


I could see Charlotte, Portland, or Houston. My guess is Houston though..

[baseline bum]

I could see Charlotte, Portland, or Houston. My guess is Houston though..

So you think maybe Porter, #4, and some expirings for Fat Brandon Bass? Though can't see why Zion would try there playing in a worse city for a worse organization.

[Mr. Body]

So you think maybe Porter, #4, and some expirings for Fat Brandon Bass? Though can't see why Zion would try there playing in a worse city for a worse organization.

Houstonians eat out more times per week than any other city in the country. It has all kinds of prime hootchie from all kinds of races and some of them are probably porn stars. They've been losers for so long it won't matter if he just grunts up and down the court. Their biggest success in the last twenty years was missing 29 three pointers in a row.

[mo7888]

So you think maybe Porter, #4, and some expirings for Fat Brandon Bass? Though can't see why Zion would try there playing in a worse city for a worse organization.

Pretty much... my thinking is based more on my opinion of Fertita than it is anything else.... basically i ask myself...who's the dumbest FO of the 3.... my pick is Houston..

[baseline bum]

Houstonians eat out more times per week than any other city in the country. It has all kinds of prime hootchie from all kinds of races and some of them are probably porn stars. They've been losers for so long it won't matter if he just grunts up and down the court. Their biggest success in the last twenty years was missing 29 three pointers in a row.

I know Houston has a hot culinary scene right now, but better than New Orleans? And Houston strip clubs are better than New Orleans? San Antonio strip clubs sure won't attract anyone when the bitches have to wear granny panties though. :lol

[Chinook]

To the Clippers are looking at blowing it up. George and Kawhi are probably too old and definitely too injury-prone for the Spurs to make an offer for them. I wouldn't 100-percent rule out George, but it would seem more possible next year if the Spurs feel like they're one player away somehow. But Zubac is a guy an RGMer proposed, and he is an interesting big. He's a pretty productive big who holds his own on both ends and is signed to a decent contract for the next two years. I'd want to look at other options before giving up assets for Zubac, but I do think between him and Collins, the Spurs would have a solid center rotation.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think the Clips are looking to blow it up? They don't control their picks and are still pretty competitive.

[EricB]

George for Simons and the 3 is a good way to avoid paying an often injured guy 200 million for 4 years.

it’ll kill Portland, the Clippers put all their chips behind the cancerous shit fuck and Scoot Henderson.


interesting if It happebs

[EricB]

I don't think the Clips are looking to blow it up? They don't control their picks and are still pretty competitive.


chance to get a good player in Scoot, get off of having to commit 200 million for four years to George.

maybe flip Simons for a little more depth.

I can see it.

[Mr. Body]

I see the latest news. Yeah, if they can manage to get Scoot, Simons and Nurkic for George, you do that instantly.

[EricB]

100%.

simons Scoot Nurkic Leonard whoever else is a solid five

[baseline bum]

ROFL if Portland trades #3 for fucking China doll Paul George.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Paul George rumor comes from Marc Stein who has never been right in probably the last 5 years.

[mo7888]

I also saw on hoopshype this morning that LeBron is frustrated with AD and theres a non-zero chance that they trade him. Maybevthey wantbto compete with The Clips for Portland's #3?

[BacktoBasics]

Zion is like Beal. Saves big headaches by getting rid of him. I would be amazed if he pulled the #2 pick. Charlotte can't be that nuts, can they?

I know we like to think that no one could overcome Zions ego and resonate with him but if a franchise feels they have a coach or assistant that could truly bond with him and motivate him the talent is indisputable.

Personally I’d pass but if there’s a Zion whisperer then it’s gonna be worth it.

[JPB]

I know we like to think that no one could overcome Zions ego and resonate with him but if a franchise feels they have a coach or assistant that could truly bond with him and motivate him the talent is indisputable.

Personally I’d pass but if there’s a Zion whisperer then it’s gonna be worth it.

You can never be sure of that, how could you? The guy does what he wants at the end of the day. May have a good feeling then 6 months later, it's a mess. You know that type of players are unstable and self-centered. You should never assume you have their trust.

[mo7888]

Eastern Conference championship contender pursuing Kristaps Porzingis in potential opt in-and-trade with the Wizards:

Shams

[spurraider21]

Eastern Conference championship contender pursuing Kristaps Porzingis in potential opt in-and-trade with the Wizards:

Shams
Celtics*

[Mr. Body]

Zinger is on a hefty $30 million expiring and can be good. That's a valuable piece for Washington.

[spurraider21]

Zinger is on a hefty $30 million expiring and can be good. That's a valuable piece for Washington.
could be Boston's out from Jaylen Brown tbh

let him go sign a supermax and be the alpha for the wizards, see how it works out for him :lol

[mo7888]

Zinger is on a hefty $30 million expiring and can be good. That's a valuable piece for Washington.

I do wonder what he's worth to Boston though with only one year locked in.

[Bruno]

A player, that is on the trading block, I'm quite intrigued with is Anfernee Simmons. He is an atrocious fit in Portland as undersized SG alongside Lilliard but there are some signs that he could make the PG transition.

[mo7888]

Sources: Wizards, Celtics and Clippers are in strong talks on a trade that would send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington and Malcolm Brogdon to Los Angeles. Sides are still working through details and Porzingis’ $36M player option.

Shams

I guess there's my answer..

[Mr. Body]

I was going to say Brogdan seemed like the guy to get off of.

[RC_Drunkford]

pretty dumb trade for the Celtics

[Mr. Body]

Boston always needs a white guy quotient and they were dangerously low.

[spurraider21]

Boston always needs a white guy quotient and they were dangerously low.
and derrick white only half counts

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

how can the clippers trade their first rounder if they dont have one next year?

or is this gonna be a delayed transaction where the clippers make the selection at washington's request and then they formally do it after the draft?

[Mr. Body]

Really, really feel like Washington could get more than this year's 30 for Porzingis.

[mo7888]

how can the clippers trade their first rounder if they dont have one next year?

or is this gonna be a delayed transaction where the clippers make the selection at washington's request and then they formally do it after the draft?

Yup..it'll just be delayed..

[Mr. Body]

Clippers got Malcom Brogdan for Marcus Morris and a #30 pick. Wow.

[spurraider21]

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[Atl Spur]

Told you clowns ( where the term applies ) KP was always a great piece to add; Zollins is bigger than any of their big men.

[CGD]

Really, really feel like Washington could get more than this year's 30 for Porzingis.

Have to think that Boston is kicking them something too.

Interesting implications for CP3. I assumed they’d do the CP3 for 30/filler swap, and get something else for KP.

[rjv]

lol @ morris and the wizards are so bad they don't even know what year to tank.

[Mr. Body]

lol @ morris and the wizards are so bad they don't even know what year to tank.

They have a totally new GM and front office.

[CGD]

Jeesh, maybe CP3 to spurs isn’t so far off now

[poopbox]

I don't think the Clips are looking to blow it up? They don't control their picks and are still pretty competitive.

There payroll is ridiculous and I think it has finally set in with the franchise that kawhi is a glass cannon that won't ever be healthy enough for a true championship run.

Ballmer paying top tier money to more than likely watch one or both of his best players be on the sidelines when the playoffs start.

[scott]

Very minor trade, but IND is sending #29 and #32 to DEN in exchange for that “Worst Of” pick in 2024 DEN got from OKC and #40 this year.

Huge win for IND, IMO - they basically get a free roll to improve their 29 pick next year (as we’ve discussed, could be as high as #2, though very unlikely).

[R. DeMurre]

Denver's being so aggressive to move up in this draft. There must be a couple of guys they really like. One of Andre Jackson Jr, Jaquez, Podz, or Trayce Jackson Davis would be a great fit for them.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Magic draft a PG one of Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs is getting traded

[CGD]

Denver's being so aggressive to move up in this draft. There must be a couple of guys they really like. One of Andre Jackson Jr, Jaquez, Podz, or Trayce Jackson Davis would be a great fit for them.

I like what they are doing. By my count they now have 29 and two SRPs in the 30s. They had none this draft. It basically cost them a distant protected FRP probably after the prime Jokic window.

I bet they can flip that for one of the BKN picks of there guy is there.

[CGD]

Sources: Wizards, Celtics and Clippers are in strong talks on a trade that would send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington and Malcolm Brogdon to Los Angeles. Sides are still working through details and Porzingis’ $36M player option.

Shams

I guess there's my answer..

Basically for KP, WAS saves 10M next year and gets the 30th pick. I guess that’s OK.

[CGD]

Wonder what WAS’s plan is for CP3 now?

I’d consider a CP3/30 for Birch/44/future SRP. WAS avoids paying him the 15M, spurs get some mentorship and a potential trade chip in February. By upgrading 44 to 30, they’re in a better position with 33 to go after one of the later picks in the teens.

[spurraider21]

Wonder what WAS’s plan is for CP3 now?

I’d consider a CP3/30 for Birch/44/future SRP. WAS avoids paying him the 15M, spurs get some mentorship and a potential trade chip in February. By upgrading 44 to 30, they’re in a better position with 33 to go after one of the later picks in the teens.
wizards wouldnt do that

[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1671705108906688513?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Wow…so much for that :lol KP trade fell apart apparently.

[mo7888]

One thing about the Porzingis deal falling apart is that everyone knows what the asking price is..

[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1671707757467107328?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Now followed with this - sounds like Boston is still trying to get him but Clippers won’t be involved.

[Degoat]

Good fck the clippers

[lefty20]

1671707757467107328

Not completely dead yet. Just kicked the Clippers to the curb cuz they've got straight up shit for assets.

[mo7888]

Looks like a midnight deadline on the opt-in. Also, it seems like we could get Brogdon for #33 + cap space to Washington if we wanted him.

[Mr. Body]

Weird. You'd think the Wiz realized a talented salary-clearing expiring is worth more than #30 yet they're still trying to work with the Celtics directly?

[Mr. Body]

Clippers had concerns about Brogdans injury status. Lol, they got rid of Marcus Morris and used just a 30 pick and got wet feet. Sheesh.

[EricB]

If the Magic draft a PG one of Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs is getting traded


cole Anthony is apparently on the block

[lefty20]

Clippers had concerns about Brogdans injury status. Lol, they got rid of Marcus Morris and used just a 30 pick and got wet feet. Sheesh.

This coming from a team that's been rumored to be after CP3, interesting...

[Mr. Body]

This coming from a team that's been rumored to be after CP3, interesting...

And unlike the two dipshits they have taking up their whole cap, Brogdan played through his injury.

[Mr. Body]

Noise about a Pascal Siakam vs. Dejounte Murray swap as a basis.

Not even sure Murray would want to stay in Toronto. He wants a bag.

[CGD]

cole Anthony is apparently on the block

For good reason. Hard pass

[Spursfanfromafar]

Can the Spurs get into the Wizards-Celtics trade and pry out Monte Morris somehow?

[mo7888]

The Boston Celtics are finalizing a deal to acquire the Washington Wizards’ Kristaps Porzingis, sources tell ESPN. Porzingis is opting into his $36M contract for 2023-2024 and getting his trade to the Celtics.

Woj

[tonight...you]

Can the Spurs get into the Wizards-Celtics trade and pry out Monte Morris somehow?
Never will ever want a Morris brother except for Sochan to body slam.

[mo7888]

Washington is completing a three-way deal with Boston and Memphis that will send guard Tyus Jones to the Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

[Degoat]

Never will ever want a Morris brother except for Sochan to body slam.

Monte Morris isn’t related to the Morris twins, but agree on the idea

[Degoat]

Washington is completing a three-way deal with Boston and Memphis that will send guard Tyus Jones to the Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

Damn! Surprised the Grizzlies moved off Jones. Does this move the wizards out of the PG market in the draft?

[Chinook]

I would've been interested in trying to pry Brogdon for 33. He's always hurt (not a horrible thing on a team looking to develop guards anyway), but when he's healthy, he's basically what the team needs from their PG. The Wizards had to close a deal now, so I guess they took whatever they could.

[tonight...you]

Monte Morris isn’t related to the Morris twins, but agree on the idea
Lol. Appreciated.

[Degoat]

I would've been interested in trying to pry Brogdon for 33. He's always hurt (not a horrible thing on a team looking to develop guards anyway), but when he's healthy, he's basically what the team needs from their PG. The Wizards had to close a deal now, so I guess they took whatever they could.

I think I like Tyus more than Brogdan tbh surprising move

[BatManu20]

Marcus Smart to the Grizz

[spurraider21]

Marcus Smart to memphis

grit and grind?

[mo7888]

Marcus Smart to Memphis in that deal

Shams

[Degoat]

Marcus Smart to Memphis in that deal

Shams

Wow makes sense now, solid addition for them

[Kurik]

Curious what all is included but not sure why Memphis trades Jones for Smart.

[timtonymanu]

lol Celtics. lol still gonna lose when it matters.

[mo7888]

The Grizzlies are sending 2023 and 2024 first-round picks to the Celtics, sources tell ESPN. Grizzlies are sending No. 25 on Thursday night and 2024 pick via Golden State for Smart.

Woj

[BatManu20]

The draft picks ease the sting of losing Smart.

[Chinook]

Smart showed he can play with a PG (at least insofar as his chucking no-shot ass can play with anybody), so this doesn't signal Ja getting traded. But trading their backup guard for what's probably considered to be an upgrade would make me not surprised if we see Ja moved. Imagine him getting traded to Houston for 4-plus and the Rockets sign Brooks. I'd never watch that team, but I'd watch a Hard Knocks -- esque show about them.

[Kurik]

Seems like a terrible deal for the Grizzlies, I’m all for it.

[BatManu20]

Wonder if CP3 considers Boston now. Would make a lot of sense tbh.

[Robz4000]

Smart showed he can play with a PG (at least insofar as his chucking no-shot ass can play with anybody), so this doesn't signal Ja getting traded. But trading their backup guard for what's probably considered to be an upgrade would make me not surprised if we see Ja moved. Imagine him getting traded to Houston for 4-plus and the Rockets sign Brooks. I'd never watch that team, but I'd watch a Hard Knocks -- esque show about them.

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[TD 21]

So Morris and/or Wright now become almost certain to be traded.

Given Horford's age and R. Williams' lack or durability, Porzingis makes sense in giving them size without sacrificing spacing, but this doesn't solve the lack of a go-to play maker issue.

Smart can guard up positionally, but they should still pursue a big wing and make him the 6th man when Morant returns as opposed to running 3 guard lineups regularly.

[timtonymanu]

Cute little moves by other teams being made before the Wemby era starts!

[spurraider21]

Boston getting 2 FRP bodes poorly for our 2028 pick swap

[Kurik]

Two first round picks and probably the best backup PG in the league for Smart, I don’t get it.

[spurraider21]

Boston fleecing. We sure Ainge isn’t still there?

[Chinook]

Boston getting 2 FRP bodes poorly for our 2028 pick swap

Maybe? They get 25 and GS' pick next year. Not exactly swimming in young talent. They're still trying to chase that title through a train of win-now moves. I'm not particularly confident the team is going to have a meaningful change in their future with these picks. Trading a core-ish player in Smart is a much bigger signal to me.

[Kurik]

Grizzlies could have shopped Jones closer to the trade deadline and probably sell extremely high with him needing to start for Morant.

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand what's going on. Wizards move Porzingis for... Tyus Jones?

Boston gets Porzingis and two picks?

[Mr. Body]

Getting Tyus Jones, they're not looking for a PG at 8?

[Mr. Body]

Washington moved Beal and Porzingis and didn't get a single first round pick for them.

[Mugen]

In the span of 6 months, the Wizards will have lost Hachimura, Beal, Porzingis and Kuzma without getting a single 1st round pick back. That's wild tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

Also, it seems like we could get Brogdon for #33 + cap space to Washington if we wanted him.

Damn, could have been nice. He's on a pretty good contract too.

[timtonymanu]

The Wizards best player of the last 20 years has been Gilbert Arenas. They’re just a nothing franchise.

[T Park]

really love what Boston and Washington did tonight.

Boston got two solid picks and Porzingis for filler and Marcus Smart.

Washington clears another shit contract and gets a good potential starting point guard in Jones.

Memphis gave up a shit load IMO for Smart.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So Boston tried to trade another injured player :lol Stevens has learnt some tricks from Ainge.

I like the final deal though. Time will tell how successful it'll be for Boston, depends on KP's health and if Brogdon is legit damaged they'll need another player for the backcourt rotation as well, so they're not done dealing for sure.

Washington's being dunked on for not getting 1sts but they were not in the driving seat for either trade with Beal's NTC and Kristaps's option having to be picked by last night. They got what they could get, the other option was losing him for nothing.

Memphis needed someone who's more of a locker room presence but Smart could be a bit abrasive, we'll see. He's on a good long term contract though, so sending two late picks (GS's might be weirdly decent) would be worth it if he fits in.

Clippers being left with Marcus Morris and a $210 mil payroll is the best part of it lol

[spurraider21]

Boston killed it tbh

i like smart but expiring KP and 2 firsts is quite a haul

[R. DeMurre]

Since Washington's having a fire sale, I wouldn't mind the Spurs grabbing Delon Wright for scraps... he's been a really reliable bench guy the last two years, and is a very good defender as a 6'5" PG. Solid vet.

[couchman]

Boston FO continues to be amazing.
2 FRP and KP for Smart is a great trade.
If KP can stay healthy they might get a chip out of it.
Even if Porzingis doesn't work out they get two extra FRP to keep the machine rolling.
There are still years to go before our pick swap, but it's hard to imagine them being incompetent anytime soon.
Hopefully by then were a top 5 team in the league or better.

[RC_Drunkford]

this trade doesn't make sense for any of these teams tbh. Memphis let's Brooks walk, replaces him with Smart, but trades Jones. Celtics ship out Smart for Porzingis when Smart was part of their core? All these teams seem to be desperate to do something to change things up just to change things up. Must be locker room issues somewhere.

[Davidicus]

From ESPN trade grades


Jones was linked heavily to the Wizards as a free agent when they were searching for a starting point guard last summer. After returning to Memphis on a two-year deal, Jones outplayed Monte Morris, the point guard Washington did manage to add.

Given the likelihood of the Wizards focusing on developing young talent, Jones might now be most important as a trade chip. Finding a team in need of a starting point guard is a tricky proposition right now, but given a reasonable contract, Washington should be able to find a taker by the 2024 trade deadline to add additional draft capital

Do Spurs go after him?

[Mr. Body]

Seems wild Memphis coughed up two FRPs given the desperation to get something done.

[Maddog]

Boston killed it tbh

i like smart but expiring KP and 2 firsts is quite a haul

I 'm in agreement for the most part,
However, it leaves them pretty thin in the backcourt and they loose someone who has a bit of an edge to him.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics had weird team chemistry even with Smart. Without him I'm not sure there's an active pulse on most anyone on the roster.

[CGD]

I don't understand what's going on. Wizards move Porzingis for... Tyus Jones?

Boston gets Porzingis and two picks?

And over 10M in savings, but yes I agree this is odd for them. On the flip side they have acquired an asset that will be in high demand at the trade deadline.

Shocked BOS got two picks back (admittedly I haven’t looked at protections yet).

[SpursFan86]

Seems like Celtics fans have mixed emotions on this but I’m not getting it…essentially gave up Smart to get Porzingis + move up from 35 to 25 in this year’s draft + Golden State’s 1st round pick next year.

Porzingis is coming off a career year in Washington and should fit perfectly in Boston. This year’s draft looks super deep and moving up from 35 to 25 could solidify their ability to grab a guy they’re confident will make an impact. Then next year Golden State’s pick is a wildcard - probably ends up being in the mid-late 20s but you never know with their aging group. Wouldn’t be the most surprising thing in the world if that pick ends up being something in the 18-22 range.

I don’t know. I get they love Smart and he’s a big part of their culture but this just seems like a no-brainer to me.

[LeBowen]

this trade doesn't make sense for any of these teams tbh. Memphis let's Brooks walk, replaces him with Smart, but trades Jones. Celtics ship out Smart for Porzingis when Smart was part of their core? All these teams seem to be desperate to do something to change things up just to change things up. Must be locker room issues somewhere.

Jones apparently wanted a starting spot and he's got one year left on his deal, Memphis didn't want to pay him.
I can see why they wanted Smart, but idk if it works out with their roster. I really don't like him as a player. He's pretty much a better version of Brooks, though. And Brooks had to go because of his antics.

Celtics had three point guards and wanted to get rid of one. Derrick and Brogdon did play off the ball a lot, but they're point guards for all intents and purposes. Smart is the worst of the three when it comes to actually running an offense.
When the deal with Clippers fell through, Memphis must've called right away, but wanted Smart instead.

This is great for Derrick because he'll finally be able to play his actual role. Obviously they're playing different positions, but healthy KP is a big upgrade over smart and they've got more than enough perimeter defense already.
White-Brown-Tatum-KP-Williams looks amazing on both ends, at least on paper.

Bucks, Miami and Sixers need to make some moves now.
I fully expect Riley to chase Lillard all summer long.
If idiots from Charlotte pass on Scoot, Blazers really need to tell Dame that it's time to go.

[Mr. Body]

Seems like Celtics fans have mixed emotions on this but I’m not getting it…essentially gave up Smart to get Porzingis + move up from 35 to 25 in this year’s draft + Golden State’s 1st round pick next year.

Porzingis is coming off a career year in Washington and should fit perfectly in Boston. This year’s draft looks super deep and moving up from 35 to 25 could solidify their ability to grab a guy they’re confident will make an impact. Then next year Golden State’s pick is a wildcard - probably ends up being in the mid-late 20s but you never know with their aging group. Wouldn’t be the most surprising thing in the world if that pick ends up being something in the 18-22 range.

I don’t know. I get they love Smart and he’s a big part of their culture but this just seems like a no-brainer to me.

I think Smart pretty much was the team culture. I never get the impression the Celtics players hang out together, do anything together, barely know each other's names. They just seem to play together because they wear the same jerseys.

[CGD]

this trade doesn't make sense for any of these teams tbh. Memphis let's Brooks walk, replaces him with Smart, but trades Jones. Celtics ship out Smart for Porzingis when Smart was part of their core? All these teams seem to be desperate to do something to change things up just to change things up. Must be locker room issues somewhere.

I can see the reasoning for each team; the thing I’m most shocked about is the picks BOS got back tbh

BOS: fix the backcourt logjam and address big man issues

MEM: hold down the fort with Ja out, plus find a possible Ja replacement if shit goes sideways there

WAS: 10M savings + acquire a high in demand trade chip in Jones

[SpursFan86]

I think Smart pretty much was the team culture. I never get the impression the Celtics players hang out together, do anything together, barely know each other's names. They just seem to play together because they wear the same jerseys.

That’s fair but their culture (with this specific core they’ve had) also has involved never being able to get over the hump and actually win a title :lol They’ll be just fine pivoting to Derrick White as their main PG and now having Porzingis. I don’t think they realize how good Porzingis was last year for Washington.

Maybe I’m underrating the “culture” aspect but if the Spurs made a trade like this I’d be over the moon.

[exstatic]

Jones apparently wanted a starting spot and he's got one year left on his deal, Memphis didn't want to pay him.
I can see why they wanted Smart, but idk if it works out with their roster. I really don't like him as a player. He's pretty much a better version of Brooks, though. And Brooks had to go because of his antics.

Celtics had three point guards and wanted to get rid of one. Derrick and Brogdon did play off the ball a lot, but they're point guards for all intents and purposes. Smart is the worst of the three when it comes to actually running an offense.
When the deal with Clippers fell through, Memphis must've called right away, but wanted Smart instead.

This is great for Derrick because he'll finally be able to play his actual role. Obviously they're playing different positions, but healthy KP is a big upgrade over smart and they've got more than enough perimeter defense already.
White-Brown-Tatum-KP-Williams looks amazing on both ends, at least on paper.

Bucks, Miami and Sixers need to make some moves now.
I fully expect Riley to chase Lillard all summer long.
If idiots from Charlotte pass on Scoot, Blazers really need to tell Dame that it's time to go.

KP played 65 games, the most since 2016. I’m not ready to declare him healthy just yet.

[CGD]

I assume KP did this with some understanding that he’d get extended. That contract will be interesting to see.

[CGD]

Celtics had weird team chemistry even with Smart. Without him I'm not sure there's an active pulse on most anyone on the roster.

Yes, I think to everyone but Stevens it was evident they should have moved him seasons ago. It’s been time

[Cabrito]

It is a bit risky for the Celtics in that KP and Brogdon historically miss a lot of games. D. White has been healthy with the Celtics but he will now play a bigger role. Hopefully he continues to stay healthy but he wasn’t with a big role with the Spurs.

[LeBowen]

KP played 65 games, the most since 2016. I’m not ready to declare him healthy just yet.

Yeah, I should've worded it differently. He's an upgrade if he stays healthy, but him being healthy will always be a big question mark.

[baseline bum]

this trade doesn't make sense for any of these teams tbh. Memphis let's Brooks walk, replaces him with Smart, but trades Jones. Celtics ship out Smart for Porzingis when Smart was part of their core? All these teams seem to be desperate to do something to change things up just to change things up. Must be locker room issues somewhere.

That core was a failure and Smart was the most easily replaceable part of it. They got sonned by a pretty meh Golden State team last year and had no excuse for not making the Finals this year. Can't keep trying the same thing and expect different results.

[SpursFan86]

That core was a failure and Smart was the most easily replaceable part of it. They got sonned by a pretty meh Golden State team last year and had no excuse for not making the Finals this year. Can't keep trying the same thing and expect different results.

Right? Celtics fans are acting like they broke up a core that has been a dynasty :lol They’ve made a bunch of ECF when the conference hasn’t been anything special and when they finally did break through they lost to a beatable GS team.

If I’m them I’m also considering moving on from Brown tbh. No way in hell I’m paying that guy $60MM a year for half a decade.

[RC_Drunkford]

That core was a failure and Smart was the most easily replaceable part of it. They got sonned by a pretty meh Golden State team last year and had no excuse for not making the Finals this year. Can't keep trying the same thing and expect different results.

they clearly gotta do something, but I'd expect more of a lateral move. Brogdon would've been the odd man out rather than Smart, but curious to see which changes they make.

[baseline bum]

Right? Celtics fans are acting like they broke up a core that has been a dynasty :lol They’ve made a bunch of ECF when the conference hasn’t been anything special and when they finally did break through they lost to a beatable GS team.

If I’m them I’m also considering moving on from Brown tbh. No way in hell I’m paying that guy $60MM a year for half a decade.

Yeah if I could get Lillard I'm sending Brown the fuck out ASAP. If only he was two years younger I'd have wanted the Spurs to make a hardcore press for him but since he'd be 34 or 35 when Wemby is really ready to run the timeline doesn't fit at all. But it fits Boston perfectly and would be one of the better hauls Portland could get for their rebuild that they really should be jumping on right now instead of half assing their rebuild.

[Chinook]

Ew, no to Lillard.

Anyway, Smart was basically the best-case scenario for how keeping Murray would've turned out. Dude has way too much influence for how good he was. You can't have your fourth or fifth option taking multiple end-of-game shots in the ECF. The Celtics needed to move on. White and Brogdon, if healthy, are much closer to what the team needs from that position. They'll need to figure out the rest if their guard rotation, but PG is handled

[KobesAchilles]

Ew, no to Lillard.

Anyway, Smart was basically the best-case scenario for how keeping Murray would've turned out. Dude has way too much influence for how good he was. You can't have your fourth or fifth option taking multiple end-of-game shots in the ECF. The Celtics needed to move on. White and Brogdon, if healthy, are much closer to what the team needs from that position. They'll need to figure out the rest if their guard rotation, but PG is handled
Don’t you think for that team Lillard would be perfect? He can actually dribble the ball. That’s an upgrade. You would be losing a bit with defense but really there aren’t any great SGs you have to guard in the EC.

[Cabrito]

I can see why Celtic fans don’t want to see Smart go. That Celtic team lacks fire and they coast through games, even playoff games. It seemed Smart was one of the few that played with passion consistently

[buttsR4rebounding]

Interesting stat: Tatum, Brown and White on the floor at the same time have a net rating of +10. The same is true with just Brown and White with Tatum sitting. Tatum and White with Brown sitting have a +9 net rating. When Brown and Tatum are on the floor without White their net rating is -1. White is way more valuable to Boston than Smart. This will mean more minutes for White and will be a big positive for Boston.

[Chinook]

Don’t you think for that team Lillard would be perfect? He can actually dribble the ball. That’s an upgrade. You would be losing a bit with defense but really there aren’t any great SGs you have to guard in the EC.

I don't think Lillard is a winning player. I think he had a shit attitude and is an overpaid grifter. He's not perfect for any team trying to win games. No team should be risking financial paralysis over him.

[cd98]

Looking like Porzingus trade is falling through.

[baseline bum]

Looking like Porzingus trade is falling through.

Link? The Clippers killed it last night over injury concerns with Brogdon so they remade the trade with Memphis. That one is dying too?

[exstatic]

Looking like Porzingus trade is falling through.

The second one? With Memphis instead of the Clips?

[Mugen]

Looking like Porzingus trade is falling through.

No it's not.

[rjv]

Porzingis trade is a done deal. The heart and soul of the Celtics is now a Grizzly.

[exstatic]

Just saw a tweet that said that Brogdon had a health concern so serious that they may not be able to trade him anywhere, anytime. Strong Sean Elliott failing kidney vibe.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Just saw a tweet that said that Brogdon had a health concern so serious that they may not be able to trade him anywhere, anytime. Strong Sean Elliott failing kidney vibe.

It looks like the torn tendon in his elbow that he was "playing through" is going to require some significant recovery time.

[cd98]

I think I missed that they changed it to Grizzlies trade.

[exstatic]

It looks like the torn tendon in his elbow that he was "playing through" is going to require some significant recovery time.

That's a relief. At least that WILL heal, eventually.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think I missed that they changed it to Grizzlies trade.

That's what you get for not continuously refreshing SpursTalk.

[cd98]

That's what you get for not continuously refreshing SpursTalk.

I've been saving that for today. Unfortunately, not going to be a productive day or evening.

[Mugen]

If the Spurs strike out on getting a PG through the draft/free agency AND Brogdon's injury timeline isn't too crazy (ie he'll be healthy by Nov/Dec), the Spurs should sniff around to see if he can be had for cheap.

Would fill a bunch of needs at that position and has a reasonable contract in terms of pay & length.

[spurraider21]

woah

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[BatManu20]

Lol Wizards. Garbage organization. Glad he won’t be a Spur tbh.

On the flip side, the Warriors just opened up a ton of cap space. Draymond ain’t going anywhere. Not sure about Klay though.

[Atl Spur]

woah

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Nice

[BatManu20]

So is CP3 relegated to backup PG now? Starting him beside Curry is a bad fit.

[Mr. Body]

woah

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I kind of figured that would happen.

[Atl Spur]

Poole must be a real broad in the lockeroom!

[BatManu20]

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[CGD]

Lol Wizards. Garbage organization. Glad he won’t be a Spur tbh.

On the flip side, the Warriors just opened up a ton of cap space. Draymond ain’t going anywhere. Not sure about Klay though.

Wizards best be getting good picks for taking on that contract. Wow.

[Mr. Body]

Lol Wizards. Garbage organization. Glad he won’t be a Spur tbh.

On the flip side, the Warriors just opened up a ton of cap space. Draymond ain’t going anywhere. Not sure about Klay though.

I think they're still well over the cap.

[Robz4000]

Dubs gonna miss the regular-season production of Poole tbh. They're a 4-week Curry injury away from missing the postseason tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

I kind of figured that would happen.

of course you did, that's why you never mentioned it

[Leetonidas]

of course you did, that's why you never mentioned it

:lol for real

[Leetonidas]

Lol Wizards. Garbage organization. Glad he won’t be a Spur tbh.

On the flip side, the Warriors just opened up a ton of cap space. Draymond ain’t going anywhere. Not sure about Klay though.

Trading for CP3 signals to me that they're going to give it another go with their core til the wheels fall off

[Chinook]

GS keeping 19 is interesting. It suggests maybe that they aren't trying to win now. Or maybe they have a bigger deal lined up using 19?

[Mr. Body]

GS keeping 19 is interesting. It suggests maybe that they aren't trying to win now. Or maybe they have a bigger deal lined up using 19?

I have no idea how Washington couldn't shake them down for that pick at least.

[Mr. Body]

Astounding how GSW could slip out of that massive mistake.

[R. DeMurre]

I see what Golden State is thinking, that Chris Paul can lead the second team and have them maybe be at least a net neutral rather than a huge net negative, and getting rid of that Poole contract is a plus-- but I still don't think it works. I see pretty much the same scenario as this year, losing in the second round of the playoffs.

[CGD]

WAS’s off-season so far:

OUT
- Beal
- Goodwin

IN (Players)
- Poole
- Jones (expiring)
- Gallo (expiring)
- Shatmat

IN (picks)
- GSW FRP 2030
- GSW SRP 2027
- 4(?) PHX SRPs (tbd)
- 3(?) PHX FRP swaps (tbd)

Not bad so far tbh….

[Mr. Body]

Poole wasn't helping them in the playoffs. Getting off his salary was the biggest thing. Not sure what happens with Paul on the roster, but they just saved huge headaches in future years for a distant FRP and a SRP, that's it.

Washington was going to need a tank commander and that's Poole. So that's pretty expected. I just didn't think they'd get nothing for taking him on.

[Mr. Body]

WAS’s off-season so far:

OUT
- Beal
- Goodwin

IN (Players)
- Poole
- Jones (expiring)
- Gallo (expiring)
- Shatmat

IN (picks)
- GSW FRP 2030
- GSW SRP 2027
- 4(?) PHX SRPs (tbd)
- 3(?) PHX FRP swaps (tbd)

Not bad so far tbh….

It seems pretty poor to me. I get that Porzingis couldn't net them much because of the opt-in deadline. The PHX swaps are going to be useless. I think it's only two. So Washington vacated their good players and got Poole, Jones, a distant first and some SRPs. They can flip Jones at some point, maybe.

I think it's more a sign of how the big teams are completely out of draft capital at this point. Phoenix has nothing to give. Actually, GSW does... but Washington didn't push them for it. There can't have been a market for Poole at this point? Wizards seem allergic to pushing for picks.

[Seventyniner]

I think they're still well over the cap.

They are $20M over the tax line and that's without Draymond!

I don't remember if the "twice above the second apron in four years" thing starts next season, but if it does that's already one strike against the Warriors if they don't dump salary. At least Paul's deal is a lot shorter than Poole's.

[spurraider21]

oh wow

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[Seventyniner]

GS keeping 19 is interesting. It suggests maybe that they aren't trying to win now. Or maybe they have a bigger deal lined up using 19?

GS owes their 2024 first to Memphis protected 1-4. I think the Stepien Rule prevented them from including tonight's #19 pick.

That's assuming the trade goes through right now. iirc if they wait until the actual draft they can trade #19 because the Stepien Rule window would scroll forward to 2024 and 2025 (GS has their own 2025 first).

Actually I don't know when the Rule moves forward. Is it when the draft starts? Was it midnight this morning?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

The new guys in Washington are clearly inept. The Spurs should be on the phone with them for #8. They'd probably take a bag of magic beans and a protected second rounder in 2035 for it.

[exstatic]

Lol Wizards. Garbage organization. Glad he won’t be a Spur tbh.

On the flip side, the Warriors just opened up a ton of cap space. Draymond ain’t going anywhere. Not sure about Klay though.

The Warriors won't have a penny of cap space until the current iteration implodes and ends. What they did was get below the second apron next summer, since they can waive CP0 at that time.

[CGD]

It seems pretty poor to me. I get that Porzingis couldn't net them much because of the opt-in deadline. The PHX swaps are going to be useless. I think it's only two. So Washington vacated their good players and got Poole, Jones, a distant first and some SRPs. They can flip Jones at some point, maybe.

I think it's more a sign of how the big teams are completely out of draft capital at this point. Phoenix has nothing to give. Actually, GSW does... but Washington didn't push them for it. There can't have been a market for Poole at this point? Wizards seem allergic to pushing for picks.

I hear you, but I’m also factoring in the stupid Beal NTC. I assume they get value for Jones. And there is a world where Poole can be a decent young piece. Not sure HOW much better they could have done given the self inflicted gunshoot wound.

[Mr. Body]

So Washington gets more out of Phoenix than initially thought. I don't think the Suns have a single pick left at all going forward - other than swaps. The closer swaps will be in their favor. Who knows about later in the decade.

[Mr. Body]

I hear you, but I’m also factoring in the stupid Beal NTC. I assume they get value for Jones. And there is a world where Poole can be a decent young piece. Not sure HOW much better they could have done given the self inflicted gunshoot wound.

The Beal package is pretty much all they could get out of the Suns, so that seems alright - as you mention, the NTC. The Porzingis thing is weird, but they were against the clock so at least they got something. Maybe the CPaul thing will turn out better for them.

I'm just glad the Spurs moved Murray when teams were still throwing around first rounders.

[baseline bum]

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Wow, the Bullets paid $125 million for a protected first :rollin

[exstatic]

I see what Golden State is thinking, that Chris Paul can lead the second team and have them maybe be at least a net neutral rather than a huge net negative, and getting rid of that Poole contract is a plus-- but I still don't think it works. I see pretty much the same scenario as this year, losing in the second round of the playoffs.

They're thinking "We can cut Chris Paul next June, save that unguaranteed $30M for 2024-2025, and slip under the second tax apron". Not all NBA trades are for basketball related reasons.

[baseline bum]

oh wow

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A team led by Jordan Poole isn't going to need any of those pick swaps tbh

[spurraider21]

A team led by Jordan Poole isn't going to need any of those pick swaps tbh
true tbh. but i dont remember them being reported earlier

[RC_Drunkford]

the Dubs will never be serious contenders until they get a real starting C who they can't sign since they are over the cap. They will have the same defensive issues they had last year. Their bench should be slightly better though.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[CGD]

oh wow

1671966494605860864

Wow, this is pretty decent. At least two of the swaps could be good, and maybe even 2026. KD’s health is the question mark, but in any case dude is getting old. Oh, and that NTC travelled to PHX so good luck getting recovering your picks!

If I’m Booker, I’m probably already thinking about my next destination in 3 years.

[Kurik]

of course you did, that's why you never mentioned it

Haha 😂

[BatManu20]

Wow, the Bullets paid $125 million for a protected first :rollin

Not just protected, but Top-20 protected… terrible deal for the Wizards.

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[BatManu20]

the Dubs will never be serious contenders until they get a real starting C who they can't sign since they are over the cap. They will have the same defensive issues they had last year. Their bench should be slightly better though.

They're done. Klay is washed and Draymond is Draymond. They still don’t have a Center, their young guys haven’t developed the way they thought they would, and they don’t have any cap flexibility to make big moves. Curry is still incredible, but turns 36 next season and can’t do it alone. Their run was epic, but it’s over.

[CGD]

Not just protected, but Top-20 protected… terrible deal for the Wizards.

1671972356456062978

Yikes, must convert to a few seconds or something.

They must really see Poole as part of the next great Wizards team (assuming they ever had one). Basically flipping Beal for Pool and picks.

[BatManu20]

Yikes, must convert to a few seconds or something.

They must really see Poole as part of the next great Wizards team (assuming they ever had one). Basically flipping Beal for Pool and picks.


More like their next great tank commander tbh. Poole will likely put up great scoring numbers due to being the only real offensive backcourt weapon Washington has now, which will inflate his stats and make him more desirable to other teams. They’ll prob trade him after a season or two for more draft capital.

[RC_Drunkford]

Warrior fans are in shambles over this trade. „Light years ahead“ :lmao

[TD 21]

Great, now we get to watch the national media have selective amnesia, pretend Paul didn't lose another step last season and that the Warriors big thee aren't just an (aging) big one and have this steal some of the Spurs spotlight because it involves their pets.

It'll be weird to see Paul come off the bench and the two best small guards ever playing together, but their best/closing five is too small.

[spurraider21]

the washington wizards franchise is just a money laundering organization

prove me wrong

[Mugen]

the washington wizards franchise is just a money laundering organization

prove me wrong

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[Ocotillo]

Any truth to the rumors Washington is changing their name to the Generals?

[R. DeMurre]

They're thinking "We can cut Chris Paul next June, save that unguaranteed $30M for 2024-2025, and slip under the second tax apron". Not all NBA trades are for basketball related reasons.


Yeah, agreed-- getting off of Poole's contract is huge. But I imagine Dunleavy is also hoping to not think of Steph's year at 36 to be a sacrifice season.

[Mr. Body]

The league is so flat -- err, has so much 'parity' -- that Denver just has to slip up and GS has a shot at the Finals. I don't see Phoenix putting it together and the rest is just mid. It's a junk heap right now.

[Seventyniner]

the washington wizards franchise is just a money laundering organization

prove me wrong

I bet the ownership is in some huge dollar fantasy leagues and loaded up on shares of Poole a couple weeks ago.

[scott]

Honestly Poole fits in with the legacy of tiny chuckers in Washington… Arenas, Wall, Beal, Poole. It’s a hall of fame of empty stats (I’m being harsh to Arenas here… but not by that much)

[John B]

CP3 couldn’t be happier with his situation at the Warriors. He’d be playing limited minutes behind Curry reserving himself for the playoffs. He brings veteran leadership who can unleash Wiseman, Kuminga. Plus warriors dumps knucklehead Poole and his behemont salary

[scottspurs]

CP3 couldn’t be happier with his situation at the Warriors. He’d be playing limited minutes behind Curry reserving himself for the playoffs. He brings veteran leadership who can unleash Wiseman, Kuminga. Plus warriors dumps knucklehead Poole and his behemont salary

Wiseman is no longer with the Warriors haha

[John B]

Wiseman is no longer with the Warriors haha

I knew that haha. Anyways, guys like Kuminga could really benefit from CP3

[CGD]

Feels like Dame is gonna hold free agency hostage.

[Bruno]

Spurs were slightly interested in Jordan Poole:
https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-draft-how-serious-are-teams-taking-the-new-cba-even-the-big-spending-warriors-are-shedding-salary-061459899.html


San Antonio registered interest in Poole, league sources told Yahoo Sports, although the Spurs never made a significant offer.

[Ocotillo]

Spurs were slightly interested in Jordan Poole:
https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-draft-how-serious-are-teams-taking-the-new-cba-even-the-big-spending-warriors-are-shedding-salary-061459899.html

If accurate, dodged a bullet there.

[Seventyniner]

If accurate, dodged a bullet there.

I bet it was only in return for draft capital. GS had the #18 pick.

[SpurSpike]

Wonder what it would take to get Malcom Brogdon?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wonder what it would take to get Malcom Brogdon?

An ambulance.

[EricB]

For good reason. Hard pass


yeah when Suggs is drafted and the first thing he tells the team “but I’m the starting PG” that’s usually not that great a sign of a team player.

[EricB]

Wonder what it would take to get Malcom Brogdon?


the Clippers, the ones who dive headfirst into Kawhi, got scared off by his medicals. That should be a big red flag for anyone else

[SpurSpike]

Well the celtics basically have no more picks. Maybe the injuries could work to our benefit and we could get him below market price. Maybe they would take a bunch of second rounders for him?

[SpurSpike]

Oh wait they got like 5 second rounders for trading back last night lol.

[exstatic]

Well the celtics basically have no more picks. Maybe the injuries could work to our benefit and we could get him below market price. Maybe they would take a bunch of second rounders for him?

They got two FRPs in the exchange for KP. One of them was #25 last night, and they got one next year, I believe.

[TD 21]

I don't see them being interested in Fultz or Suggs (combo guard that's more of an SG). Micic or Morris seem more likely, but I actually think not adding a PG is most likely.

[Chinook]

I don't see them being interested in Fultz or Suggs (combo guard that's more of an SG). Micic or Morris seem more likely, but I actually think not adding a PG is most likely.

I think it depends on if they view Graham as a rotation piece or are going to try to dump him. If he's got a spot, then the rotation of Jones, Graham will probably get them through the season. But if they think he could be gone, I could see them having another PG that either competes with Jones or plays next to Graham off the bench. I don't think Pop will do things like run Branham or Sochan at PG this season. Until they get a sense of what kind of guys fit around Wemba, I don't think they'll try to get too cute with the lineups.

[CGD]

^ I get the feeling they see Graham as a piece. Pop loves those instant offense guys off the bench, plus it sounds like he’s an awesome dude.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think it depends on if they view Graham as a rotation piece or are going to try to dump him. If he's got a spot, then the rotation of Jones, Graham will probably get them through the season. But if they think he could be gone, I could see them having another PG that either competes with Jones or plays next to Graham off the bench. I don't think Pop will do things like run Branham or Sochan at PG this season. Until they get a sense of what kind of guys fit around Wemba, I don't think they'll try to get too cute with the lineups.

not to start the game, but I absolutely expect Pop to go super mad scientist this season, just to figure out what works next to Wemby and what doesn't

[CGD]

I don't see them being interested in Fultz or Suggs (combo guard that's more of an SG). Micic or Morris seem more likely, but I actually think not adding a PG is most likely.

I think you gotta take a run at Suggs if he’s on the market. Doesn’t solve the shooting issues at the pg but I think the upside is still there.

Center an offer around one of the 2024 FRPs and several SRPs.

[Chinook]

I think you gotta take a run at Suggs if he’s on the market. Doesn’t solve the shooting issues at the pg but I think the upside is still there.

Center an offer around one of the 2024 FRPs and several SRPs.

I think the Spurs should shop the Charlotte first and like four seconds for something. Suggs is an option. Horford is an option. Hunter could be an option. Simons could be an option. They should try to do something to infuse their team with some talent, especially at PG and C.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see how Horford is an option when Zach is basically a younger version of him

[T Park]

Well the celtics basically have no more picks. Maybe the injuries could work to our benefit and we could get him below market price. Maybe they would take a bunch of second rounders for him?

why do you want a perpetually hurt, never going to play player and blow assets on that.

[talkspurs]

I think the Spurs should shop the Charlotte first and like four seconds for something. Suggs is an option. Horford is an option. Hunter could be an option. Simons could be an option. They should try to do something to infuse their team with some talent, especially at PG and C.

Hunter would be the only one I would be interested in. Simmons they should give us picks for.

[Chinook]

Hunter would be the only one I would be interested in. Simmons they should give us picks for.

Simons, not Simmons. The guard from Portland, not the forward from Brooklyn.

[Mr. Body]

Why this obsession with adding players to the roster? Roster's full, man. Adding marginal players at this point is senseless.

[CGD]

I think the Spurs should shop the Charlotte first and like four seconds for something. Suggs is an option. Horford is an option. Hunter could be an option. Simons could be an option. They should try to do something to infuse their team with some talent, especially at PG and C.

Every time Hunter brings me in he lets me down. I really WANT to like him, but the reality is he’s been disappointing in the pros. And I say that as a Virginia alum who relished his role in that redemption NCAA basketball championship run.

Suggs makes sense for his youth and shorter/cheaper contract. I’m nervous about doing long term FA deals right now personally, so that’s another ding on Hunter.

[talkspurs]

Simons, not Simmons. The guard from Portland, not the forward from Brooklyn.

Oh sorry did not think about him. I would be interested in him probably even more then hunter.

[Chinook]

Why this obsession with adding players to the roster? Roster's full, man. Adding marginal players at this point is senseless.

The roster isn't full. You can't count guys like Barlow and Champ as part of the 15 when they have basically ERFAs who don't have the leverage to not take another two-way. Champ might get a full deal, but I think Barlow is two-way or cut at this point. There should be 13 or 14 players one can reasonably expect the team to bring into camp next year barring trades. Moreover, none of those guys is going to stop the Spurs from adding legit starters to their roster. That doesn't make any sense.

[ss1986v2]

Assuming Washington isn't interested in keeping him around long term, how do people feel about Tyus Jones? Has played well in a starter role, young enough, and probably wouldn't command a huge haul to acquire.

[CGD]

Why this obsession with adding players to the roster? Roster's full, man. Adding marginal players at this point is senseless.

It’s not though, and in any event you move on from the Sandros, KBDs, Champagnes, Barlows, and even Berchs and Basseys, if you need to create a roster spot.