Pick #14 - Strategies

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see no touch and his hands are really bad.


that tells me all I need to know about how much tape you actually watched and how many scouting reports you read. Thanks. Talk to someone who watched 3 min. highlight reels. Y'all will get along.


Maluach would be a tough sell for me. What exactly is he going to help the Spurs with? Much better rebounding can be had. He gets moved off his spots with ease. He gets lost at times on both sides of the ball. He is very athletic for his size but what does he use that athleticism for? Block and steal rate is not very high. He is a rim running big that in theory you hope becomes a lot more. I don’t see the fit with Wemby. So you are drafting a backup center. Backup centers need to do the dirty work for 15-18 minutes a night. Maluach isn’t that type. If the Spurs are going backup center I would much rather have Sorber. Asa Newell and Maxime Raynaud would be better fits. They could play spot minutes with Wemby. Drafting Maluach to me would signal to me the Spurs are worried about Wemby’s long term health.

these takes are hilarious to me. Like how much do you actually scout guys to come away with these takes? You know why his block and defensive rebounding rate is lower? Because he played in a hedge scheme and not in drop coverage.

That being said, I'd also take Sorber without a doubt at #14.

[sfernald]

that tells me all I need to know about how much tape you actually watched and how many scouting reports you read. Thanks. Talk to someone who watched 3 min. highlight reels. Y'all will get along.



these takes are hilarious to me. Like how much do you actually scout guys to come away with these takes? You know why his block and defensive rebounding rate is lower? Because he played in a hedge scheme and not in drop coverage.

That being said, I'd also take Sorber without a doubt at #14.

If either of those players are bpa on BW’s board when he’s up at 14, fine. But I hope they don’t reach to fill a need. There still likely is a top 10 talent there at 14 if you disregard position. Look at JDub & McCain recently just to name two absolutely off the cusp.

when I put my list I’m assuming these guys are absolutely gone at 14:

flagg
harper
bailey (maybe a cam Whiitmore fall?)
edgecomb
kon
tre
fears
malauch
jakucionis
queen

Those guys should honestly be gone before 14 so I’m making that assumption. I’m also pretty confident that essengue and Bryant will be gone too. That leaves us one of the last two.

[benefactor]

these takes are hilarious to me. Like how much do you actually scout guys to come away with these takes? You know why his block and defensive rebounding rate is lower? Because he played in a hedge scheme and not in drop coverage.

That being said, I'd also take Sorber without a doubt at #14.
I feel like he gets a lot of his takes from AI:lol

[scottspurs]

that tells me all I need to know about how much tape you actually watched and how many scouting reports you read. Thanks. Talk to someone who watched 3 min. highlight reels. Y'all will get along.



these takes are hilarious to me. Like how much do you actually scout guys to come away with these takes? You know why his block and defensive rebounding rate is lower? Because he played in a hedge scheme and not in drop coverage.

That being said, I'd also take Sorber without a doubt at #14.

Ive watched all his Duke games and Sudan games at this point. The guy is not physical for his size. He moves really well.

[scottspurs]

Maluach got benched vs Stanford. Go watch that tape. It’s not pretty. He couldn’t stop Maxime Raynaud. That’s the type of player he will face in the pros. Maybe watch more tape.

[RC_Drunkford]

Maluach got benched vs Stanford. Go watch that tape. It’s not pretty. He couldn’t stop Maxime Raynaud. That’s the type of player he will face in the pros. Maybe watch more tape.

Duke vs. Stanford

Duke won 106-70

Raynaud: 19 Points, 7 boards. 0 blocks, FG 7-21, 32 minutes

Maluach: 17 points, 6 boards, 1 block, 8-9 FG, 21 minutes

if that's what means getting outplayed to you, I take Maluach without blinking.

[scottspurs]

I never said outplayed. Watch the actual tape. You just pulled the boxscore. They had to take Maluach out of the game when Raynaud was on the court. Also scoreboard doesn’t matter when evaluating prospects

[scottspurs]

Duke vs. Stanford

Duke won 106-70

Raynaud: 19 Points, 7 boards. 0 blocks, FG 7-21, 32 minutes

Maluach: 17 points, 6 boards, 1 block, 8-9 FG, 21 minutes

if that's what means getting outplayed to you, I take Maluach without blinking.

lol this has nothing to do with what I said

[scottspurs]

Are you saying you would take Maluach with pick 14 if there? I would pass. Are you high on Maluach as a prospect? You are not really saying much lol. Where do you rank him in this class?

[RC_Drunkford]

I never said outplayed. Watch the actual tape. You just pulled the boxscore. They had to take Maluach out of the game when Raynaud was on the court. Also scoreboard doesn’t matter when evaluating prospects

oh no they had to pull Maluach because Raynaud was going off in garbage time :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you saying you would take Maluach with pick 14 if there? I would pass. Are you high on Maluach as a prospect? You are not really saying much lol. Where do you rank him in this class?

Raynaud scored 8 points against Maluach and 8 when he wasn't on the floor. So again where did he cook him? When Maluach blocked his ass at the rim? Or when Maluach dunked the ball as a roller multiple times while Raynaud was out of position to guard him? Asking ChatGPT for help ain't it dude.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hM7P7H45o


Are you saying you would take Maluach with pick 14 if there? I would pass. Are you high on Maluach as a prospect? You are not really saying much lol. Where do you rank him in this class?

I already posted my thoughts on Maluach multiple times.

His rebounding and block numbers are inflated because he plays in a hedge scheme.

He has great touch around the rim, which there's a lot of tape on. He has flashes of shooting from 3, midrange and even turnaround fadeaways. He shoots when playing for Sudan. Great FT%. Standing reach only 1 inch shorter than Wemby's.

Played basketball for only 5 years. Never had access to a practice facility until he went to Duke. Improves and picks up things rapidly.

Moves fluid, but gets caught with his feet in the wrong position often, which means he needs to be taught more defensive fundamentals. There's tape where he's able to guard guards and he has a large margin for error because of his length.

Highest dunk rate of a prospect since 2008. Plays above the rim. His floor is basically Clint Capela. He can basically become the prime version of Bucks Brook Lopez. Which is DPOY level All-Star.

Hands are questionable, but I'll take that. Gobert became a 3-time All-Star with butterfingers.

[benefactor]

:lol not taking Maluach at 14

[Trueblood]

Are you saying you would take Maluach with pick 14 if there? I would pass. Are you high on Maluach as a prospect? You are not really saying much lol. Where do you rank him in this class?

A consensus top 10 player and you would pass on him if he slipped to 14? Instead you’re arguing for a guy 3 years older that’s projected in the mid to late 20’s? Say you don’t know basketball without saying you don’t know basketball.

[scottspurs]

Raynaud scored 8 points against Maluach and 8 when he wasn't on the floor. So again where did he cook him? When Maluach blocked his ass at the rim? Or when Maluach dunked the ball as a roller multiple times while Raynaud was out of position to guard him? Asking ChatGPT for help ain't it dude.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hM7P7H45o



I already posted my thoughts on Maluach multiple times.

His rebounding and block numbers are inflated because he plays in a hedge scheme.

He has great touch around the rim, which there's a lot of tape on. He has flashes of shooting from 3, midrange and even turnaround fadeaways. He shoots when playing for Sudan. Great FT%. Standing reach only 1 inch shorter than Wemby's.

Played basketball for only 5 years. Never had access to a practice facility until he went to Duke. Improves and picks up things rapidly.

Moves fluid, but gets caught with his feet in the wrong position often, which means he needs to be taught more defensive fundamentals. There's tape where he's able to guard guards and he has a large margin for error because of his length.

Highest dunk rate of a prospect since 2008. Plays above the rim. His floor is basically Clint Capela. He can basically become the prime version of Bucks Brook Lopez. Which is DPOY level All-Star.

Hands are questionable, but I'll take that. Gobert became a 3-time All-Star with butterfingers.

So you are pulling up highlights. That’s not the game tape. Maybe you don’t have access to the All 10. I forget everyone uses YouTube. I’ve also posted my opinion on Malauch several times. He has very good feet and Duke was a good program for him to learn at. He had alot of people setting him up for all those dunks. Chat GPT? wtf lol try harder. I’m too old school to know how to use whatever that is. I don’t need anyone to speak on my behalf I’m well educated.

Hedge system has very little to do with him getting pushed off spots, struggling against skilled players or being slow to react on contests.

I have him Ranked 17th. 4th tier in a good class. He has potential but he is still learning. I have stated my opinion multiple times. I think the Spurs should stay away from projects. Personally I don’t believe he is a good fit next to Wemby. So if the Spurs drafted him he would be a backup big unless he develops a shot and a handle. Even a limited handle would go a long way. It’s very possible he develops into a really good starting caliber player but he needs work. He needs minutes. Minutes he won’t get on the spurs.

[scottspurs]

A consensus top 10 player and you would pass on him if he slipped to 14? Instead you’re arguing for a guy 3 years older that’s projected in the mid to late 20’s? Say you don’t know basketball without saying you don’t know basketball.

I’m not arguing for anyone in particular. I just don’t think the Spurs should pick him. I also don’t think he will make it to 14 because of his upside. So it’s all a moot point. I don’t have him as a top 10 player. Consensus among the media? Yeah I don’t care about that. I have him higher on my board than Maxime Raynaud by the way. I would lose my job if I didn’t know basketball. I’ve been around the game my entire life. I’m very thankful and blessed for that. Favorite Sport by far.

[scottspurs]

I think Sorber can actually play with Wemby some. He can’t shoot but he has some handle. Untapped creation ability. It’s not great but it’s passable. I’m on the record saying I would not pick Raynaud at 14 but I would understand why the Spurs do it. Asa Newell is also a better fit. The only Big I really want at 14 is Sorber though. Maluach I would take it but it’s just not what I would do. Beringer and Wolf would be disappointing.

[scottspurs]

If Sorber is off the board. Coward and Clifford both make sense. They both rebound extremely well. Clifford is probably the most ready prospect. He can do it all. His only knock is his age. Coward has a high floor. Still needs some fine tuning but you can always fall back on his shot.

If the Spurs flag both Coward and Sorber for injury and they don’t like Clifford because of his age. I’m not sure what I would do but can’t go wrong with best player available.

[Ice009]

I’m not arguing for anyone in particular. I just don’t think the Spurs should pick him. I also don’t think he will make it to 14 because of his upside. So it’s all a moot point. I don’t have him as a top 10 player. Consensus among the media? Yeah I don’t care about that. I have him higher on my board than Maxime Raynaud by the way. I would lose my job if I didn’t know basketball. I’ve been around the game my entire life. I’m very thankful and blessed for that. Favorite Sport by far.

I've been listening to your opinion quite a bit as it just seemed to me you do something along these lines for your work. I was even going to ask what job you do a few days ago (Was just going to ask a general description not specifics. I'm not asking now btw, as I respect people's privacy to not get them to post that on a public forum). Would be awesome to be doing something Basketball related for a living. I'd even be happy just doing something like lower level player development staff.

[scottspurs]

I've been listening to your opinion quite a bit as it just seemed to me you do something along these lines for your work. I was even going to ask what job you do a few days ago (Was just going to ask a general description not specifics. I'm not asking now btw, as I respect people's privacy to not get them to post that on a public forum). Would be awesome to be doing something Basketball related for a living. I'd even be happy just doing something like lower level player development staff.


I don’t work in talent evaluation I want to make that clear. Just doing that for fun. I will probably be wrong about most of these prospects lol and I’m okay with that. I like sharing my opinions whether people like them or not. But yes I’m around basketball. Plenty of opportunities out there these days.

[ulosturedge]

The Khaman hate around here is crazy. He looks as good as a prospect as any at Center in the draft. We going to have Wemby taking a beating all day trying to play down low on defense? Taking up floor space on offense? How about the space those two would eat up on defense? I am going to assume people just don't believe in Khaman specifically and think he is going to turn out a bust or something. And that's fine but in any case the Spurs can definitely use a better Center.

[SpursFan86]

Not even sure why we’re really discussing Maluach in this thread tbh :lol He’s almost a guarantee to be gone by 14.

In terms of trading up, I personally don’t think he’s so much better than Sorber (assuming the Spurs think his foot is a non-issue) that it’d be worthwhile to trade meaningful assets to move up for Maluach.

[RC_Drunkford]

So you are pulling up highlights. That’s not the game tape. Maybe you don’t have access to the All 10. I forget everyone uses YouTube. I’ve also posted my opinion on Malauch several times. He has very good feet and Duke was a good program for him to learn at. He had alot of people setting him up for all those dunks. Chat GPT? wtf lol try harder. I’m too old school to know how to use whatever that is. I don’t need anyone to speak on my behalf I’m well educated.

Hedge system has very little to do with him getting pushed off spots, struggling against skilled players or being slow to react on contests.

I have him Ranked 17th. 4th tier in a good class. He has potential but he is still learning. I have stated my opinion multiple times. I think the Spurs should stay away from projects. Personally I don’t believe he is a good fit next to Wemby. So if the Spurs drafted him he would be a backup big unless he develops a shot and a handle. Even a limited handle would go a long way. It’s very possible he develops into a really good starting caliber player but he needs work. He needs minutes. Minutes he won’t get on the spurs.

You should buy yourself some glasses



Much was made of the matchup against likely all-conference selection Maxime Raynaud heading into Saturday, as the star center figured to be a tough matchup for freshman big Khaman Maluach. However, the youngster won the first matchup of the day, forcing a turnover on Stanford’s first possession and slamming down a lob on the other end of the floor.

Raynaud had some answers of his own in the early going. The Paris native knocked down two triples before the first media timeout despite entering the contest having made just one of his last 15 attempts from downtown. Inside the arc though, the senior was troubled by Duke’s size and length. Maluach, Brown and Mason Gillis took turns making life difficult for the big man, as he went 0-for-5 on 2-point attempts to begin.

By the time the final buzzer had sounded, Raynaud had racked up 19 points and seven rebounds. Despite the lofty totals, Duke forced him into several tough shots. The center put up 21 attempts — nine from three — from the field in the losing effort.

“Raynaud is a tough cover. They do some really good things for him, but the fact that he scored 19 on 21 shots, that's really what you want,” head coach Jon Scheyer said.

The Maluach-Brown combo worked in perfect tandem all afternoon. Both bigs leaned on their respective skill sets to defend Raynaud and help Duke take a commanding lead. Maluach added several thunderous dunks inside and Brown multiple dimes to Proctor as head coach Jon Scheyer used them interchangeably.

Maluach in particular had a large impact on the contest. The Rumbek, South Sudan, native found himself in excellent position down low, and his teammates kept feeding him for open dunks. He also had his way on the offensive glass; four of Maluach’s six boards were offensive.

[CGD]

Not even sure why we’re really discussing Maluach in this thread tbh :lol He’s almost a guarantee to be gone by 14.

In terms of trading up, I personally don’t think he’s so much better than Sorber (assuming the Spurs think his foot is a non-issue) that it’d be worthwhile to trade meaningful assets to move up for Maluach.

I’m agnostic on the player, but I wonder if the thinking is that if Maluach gets past Toronto (or Phoenix) at 9, that the next team that would take him are Bulls at 12. Maybe that’s the trade up opportunity?

[scottspurs]

You should buy yourself some glasses
What lol?! Did you copy and paste an article. Yeah I’m moving on. We disagree on Maluach with certain aspects and that is fine.

[picnroll]

Not even sure why we’re really discussing Maluach in this thread tbh :lol He’s almost a guarantee to be gone by 14.

In terms of trading up, I personally don’t think he’s so much better than Sorber (assuming the Spurs think his foot is a non-issue) that it’d be worthwhile to trade meaningful assets to move up for Maluach.

Probably because of reports the Spurs brought him in twice. Anybody else the Spurs met with twice besides Harper? When’s the last time the Spurs brought someone in twice that they didn’t have an interest in?

[Atl Spur]

Take Fleming if he’s available; a new age siakam type that we need!

[scott]

I felt this way if we got Flagg, but landing Harper at 2 is kind of a similar proposition…

With Flagg or Harper at the top of the draft, I feel it really opens up the possibility for drafting someone like Maluach if you feel he can be a long-term starter at C. Not because we are in need of a long-term center, but as insurance for Wemby. If you have someone like Maluach who can fill right in in the short-term or the long-term, you can still be a high end team now that you’ve added talent like Fox, Castle and Harper. Everyone here says Harper is a franchise player… well, let’s build the team like he’s a franchise player. Wemby’s DVT showed us anything can happen. Landing Harper at 2 gives us the flexibility of making a luxury pick like Maluach at 14 (if he’s there).

With all that said… I still like Coward at 14, but I think the rationale behind taking Maluach makes a ton of sense if he’s there (which he probably won’t be). It doesn’t make sense to draft a 15 MPG backup C at #14… but we need to look at this as more than that. It’s a backup C and an insurance plan for our superstar.

[SpursFan86]

Welp, now that KD is out of the picture let’s see what we do outside of #2. Just really hope we don’t trade 14 for future draft capital.

[Ice009]

Welp, now that KD is out of the picture let’s see what we do outside of #2. Just really hope we don’t trade 14 for future draft capital.

What about trying to trade up with the #14 and either player/s or picks if there is someone there that the Spurs like enough to move up?

[SpursFan86]

What about trying to trade up with the #14 and either player/s or picks if there is someone there that the Spurs like enough to move up?

I’m fine with that if there’s a player they really like.

I just want to see us make 1-2 clear moves that signal they’re ready to try and take a leap forward this year as opposed to giving pretty much the same core another year of seeing if they can do something worthwhile. I get that we didn’t really get to see Fox and they likely expect that to give us a big boost but still.

If we just trade 14 for future draft capital and then sign a couple of mid-level vets in the offseason while keeping most/all of Vassell/Keldon/Branham/Wesley/Mamu/Bassey…that’s what will piss me off.

[Ice009]

I’m fine with that if there’s a player they really like.

I just want to see us make 1-2 clear moves that signal they’re ready to try and take a leap forward this year as opposed to giving pretty much the same core another year of seeing if they can do something worthwhile. I get that we didn’t really get to see Fox and they likely expect that to give us a big boost but still.

If we just trade 14 for future draft capital and then sign a couple of mid-level vets in the offseason while keeping most/all of Vassell/Keldon/Branham/Wesley/Mamu/Bassey…that’s what will piss me off.

I agree with you. I want to see they make some decisive moves geared towards winning. This friendship crew hasn't really done anything. There is no real reason to keep them together at this point IMO. Really disappointed in how this turned out (mostly because we're still stuck with all these guys).

[cd98]

Spurs need a legit 3 and D wing that is 6'7 or taller or they need a legit big man prospect. Hopefully they can one of those two, though they may have to try a trade to move up.

[exstatic]

Sorber is my guy here. Good size, massive wingspan, 4 stocks/36, right side up asst/TO ratio. Kinda gives me Bam vibes.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs need a legit 3 and D wing that is 6'7 or taller or they need a legit big man prospect. Hopefully they can one of those two, though they may have to try a trade to move up.

I'd go hard for a big, even trading up, although I'm not in love with any of them. But I think the best ones may be gone.

[Dejounte]

Sorber or Powell come on down

[scott]

I’m fine with that if there’s a player they really like.

I just want to see us make 1-2 clear moves that signal they’re ready to try and take a leap forward this year as opposed to giving pretty much the same core another year of seeing if they can do something worthwhile. I get that we didn’t really get to see Fox and they likely expect that to give us a big boost but still.

If we just trade 14 for future draft capital and then sign a couple of mid-level vets in the offseason while keeping most/all of Vassell/Keldon/Branham/Wesley/Mamu/Bassey…that’s what will piss me off.

I thought I would have hated this approach... but I'm not sure I will.

Trading #14 for future capital can be useful. We've stripped the war chest of all the additional first round capital we had... it wouldn't hurt to stock it back up. (And I say this as someone who actually likes the guys in the #14 range).

I think we can make some real improvements to the team with the BAE and the MLE. While I am definitely not a fan of the Power of Friendship, I wouldn't hate seeing what we have with them and the infusion of talent. If nothing else it will highlight the huge gap between them and real NBA talent (Wemby/Fox/Castle/Harper) and the team will realize we can't keep overpaying our scrubs because they are fun guys.

I'm holding out for a more minor trade, like John Collins or a S&T for Santi.

[SpursFan86]

Sorber is my guy here. Good size, massive wingspan, 4 stocks/36, right side up asst/TO ratio. Kinda gives me Bam vibes.

Yeah, the more that time goes by the more I’m into Sorber. I had been leaning towards a wing like Bryant/Coward/Clifford but I don’t know…if the Spurs would rather Wemby not spend all of his time at the 5 (which I don’t necessarily agree with fwiw) then maybe Sorber is the move.

[SpursFan86]

I thought I would have hated this approach... but I'm not sure I will.

Trading #14 for future capital can be useful. We've stripped the war chest of all the additional first round capital we had... it wouldn't hurt to stock it back up. (And I say this as someone who actually likes the guys in the #14 range).

I think we can make some real improvements to the team with the BAE and the MLE. While I am definitely not a fan of the Power of Friendship, I wouldn't hate seeing what we have with them and the infusion of talent. If nothing else it will highlight the huge gap between them and real NBA talent (Wemby/Fox/Castle/Harper) and the team will realize we can't keep overpaying our scrubs because they are fun guys.

I'm holding out for a more minor trade, like John Collins or a S&T for Santi.

Ehh everything you’re saying is reasonable, I think I’d just really prefer we shake things up more. But for example trading for Collins would absolutely fall into that category for me. I’m not saying we need to make a massive blockbuster…I just don’t want to see the vast majority of our same core back next year.

[HankChinaski]

Sorber, Fleming, Coward at 14 would be good at 14
Raynaud, Kalkbrenner with 2nd round pick

Trade for John Collins on a sign and trade

Would be happy with that off season.

[scott]

Ehh everything you’re saying is reasonable, I think I’d just really prefer we shake things up more. But for example trading for Collins would absolutely fall into that category for me. I’m not saying we need to make a massive blockbuster…I just don’t want to see the vast majority of our same core back next year.

Honestly, I'm totally with you... I'm just trying to levelset expectations for myself and honestly I don't think it will be too bad if we just "stand pat". Adding Fox, Harper, someone at the top of the MLE market and a BAE guy within the span of 6 months is a pretty big shakeup by any standards, and especially for the Spurs. Yeah, I'd like to see a little more... but I don't think it will be the worst thing.

[Bruno]

Biggest need(s) for teams picking before #14:
#9(Raptors): PG and C
#10(Suns): C
#11(Blazers): not sure
#12(Bulls): C and SF/PF
#13(Hawks): C

It seems unlikely that a C like Queen will slide to Spurs pick. Carter Bryant or Noa Essengue could be available at #14 for Spurs. If Demin or Jakucionis are still there at #14, Spurs could get quite a lot for them in a trade.

[spurraider21]

With suns replacing rockets at 10…

Rockets seemed to be a team that would have wanted a Bryant/Coward type while the suns seem like the floor for Maluach or a likely Sorber landing spot

[spurraider21]

Biggest need(s) for teams picking before #14:
#9(Raptors): PG and C
#10(Suns): C
#11(Blazers): not sure
#12(Bulls): C and SF/PF
#13(Hawks): C

It seems unlikely that a C like Queen will slide to Spurs pick. Carter Bryant or Noa Essengue could be available at #14 for Spurs. If Demin or Jakucionis are still there at #14, Spurs could get quite a lot for them in a trade.
I can’t think of 2 nba skills that essengue currently projects at being above average at in the nba. Just seems like a lump of clay with nice physical traits

[TD 21]

^ The Suns lack a starting C, but at least have rotation filler Richards/Ighodaro; they have a gaping hole at PF.



I’m fine with that if there’s a player they really like.

I just want to see us make 1-2 clear moves that signal they’re ready to try and take a leap forward this year as opposed to giving pretty much the same core another year of seeing if they can do something worthwhile. I get that we didn’t really get to see Fox and they likely expect that to give us a big boost but still.

If we just trade 14 for future draft capital and then sign a couple of mid-level vets in the offseason while keeping most/all of Vassell/Keldon/Branham/Wesley/Mamu/Bassey…that’s what will piss me off.

This being the Spurs, they'll probably more or less run it back.

No matter the outcome, the Thunder should emerge from this experience better, but it's also the latest sign of this being the parity era and the game being so physically demanding (in a different way from decades ago) that no one should be assuming/conceding that they'll run off a string of finals/championships.

Beyond them, it's as open as this league gets and it's also a time where teams can rapidly progress from bottom feeder to contender, as witnessed by the Thunder and Rockets.

If the Spurs do their jobs, there's no reason they can't join them.

[Bruno]

I can’t think of 2 nba skills that essengue currently projects at being above average at in the nba. Just seems like a lump of clay with nice physical traits

I'm not that high personally on Essengue too but I can definitively see Spurs liking him a lot and be thrilled if he falls to #14.

[LeBowen]

Since someone mentioned we're a Klutch team now: Maluach, Fleming and Will Riley are Klutch clients in the draft we might have interest in.

[DAF86]

Sorber is my guy here. Good size, massive wingspan, 4 stocks/36, right side up asst/TO ratio. Kinda gives me Bam vibes.


Sorber or Powell come on down


Yeah, the more that time goes by the more I’m into Sorber. I had been leaning towards a wing like Bryant/Coward/Clifford but I don’t know…if the Spurs would rather Wemby not spend all of his time at the 5 (which I don’t necessarily agree with fwiw) then maybe Sorber is the move.


Sorber, Fleming, Coward at 14 would be good at 14
Raynaud, Kalkbrenner with 2nd round pick

Trade for John Collins on a sign and trade

Would be happy with that off season.

Stop trying to pair Wemby next to a non-shooting big. We already have enough non shooters as it is, don't add another brick layer to the equation, tbh.

14 should be Bryant, Coward, Fleming or Maluach, if he ever slips that low.

[DPG21920]

I'm not that high personally on Essengue too but I can definitively see Spurs liking him a lot and be thrilled if he falls to #14.

I would be happy with him. I think he can be a solid role player but you know better than I do on him Im sure. But maybe another team is very high on him and Spurs can use 14 + Keldon for a player and/or pick(s)

[LeBowen]

Stop trying to pair Wemby next to a non-shooting big. We already have enough non shooters as it is, don't add another brick layer to the equation, tbh.

Who said anything about pairing? We're not a functional team whenever Wemby sits, we need a legit backup big.
Sorber wouldn't be the backup.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt0T0SWWUAA9NTq.jpg

And 73% from the line, so he's at least got something to work with.
He could potentially develop a jumpshot over 3 to 4 years.
If he doesn't, we got a solid backup.

[Mr. Body]

Since someone mentioned we're a Klutch team now: Maluach, Fleming and Will Riley are Klutch clients in the draft we might have interest in.

I've kind of thought it was Riley. We'll see

[DAF86]

Who said anything about pairing? We're not a functional team whenever Wemby sits, we need a legit backup big.
Sorber wouldn't be the backup.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt0T0SWWUAA9NTq.jpg

And 73% from the line, so he's at least got something to work with.
He could potentially develop a jumpshot over 3 to 4 years.
If he doesn't, we got a solid backup.

Sorber would or wouldn't be the backup? Either way, the Spurs have more pressing issues than getting a backup C, tbh.

I would rather try adding the 3 and D forward of the future, or at least a center that can shoot and has more versatility being added to different lineups. With 14, the goal should be aiming for a pontential starter that plays 30 to 35 minutes a game, not a backup center that plays less than 20, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Sorber would or wouldn't be the backup? Either way, the Spurs have more pressing issues than getting a backup C, tbh.

I would rather try to add the 3 and D forward of the future, or at least a center that can shoot and has more versatility being added to different lineups. With 14, the goal should be aiming for a pontential starter that plays 30 to 35 minutes a game, not a backup center that plays less than 20.

There's no more pressing need than a big, imo. They can go with Barnes or Champ at SF if they have to. Without a big this team is walking the precipice.

[DAF86]

There's no more pressing need than a big, imo. They can go with Barnes or Champ at SF if they have to. Without a big this team is walking the precipice.

It is easier to add a viable backup center via free agency, than finding a 3 and D wing via that route. So I would rather use our lottery pick on a prototype that is harder to get, and would have a way higher ceiling and usage in our squad.

[exstatic]

Stop trying to pair Wemby next to a non-shooting big. We already have enough non shooters as it is, don't add another brick layer to the equation, tbh.

14 should be Bryant, Coward, Fleming or Maluach, if he ever slips that low.

Maluach is a non shooting big. He’s also got an upside down asst/TO ratio ,and a whopping 2,5 stocks/36.

[exstatic]

Sorber would or wouldn't be the backup? Either way, the Spurs have more pressing issues than getting a backup C, tbh.

I would rather try adding the 3 and D forward of the future, or at least a center that can shoot and has more versatility being added to different lineups. With 14, the goal should be aiming for a pontential starter that plays 30 to 35 minutes a game, not a backup center that plays less than 20, tbh.

Eventually you’ll figure it out. Wemby is your 3&D forward.

[DAF86]

Eventually you’ll figure it out. Wemby is your 3&D forward.

Smh.

[LeBowen]

It is easier to add a viable backup center via free agency, than finding a 3 and D wing via that route. So I would rather use our lottery pick on a prototype that is harder to get, and would have a way higher ceiling and usage in our squad.

There are way more interesting 3-D wing than backup C trade and free agency targets.
Backup bigs are down to just a few options if we don't draft one.
Not to mention other teams can offer them a way bigger role.
Why would Capela or Kornet join the Spurs when Lakers need a starter?

[Mr. Body]

It is easier to add a viable backup center via free agency, than finding a 3 and D wing via that route. So I would rather use our lottery pick on a prototype that is harder to get, and would have a way higher ceiling and usage in our squad.

I would go for both, tbh. Draft one and FA one. But of course it depends on who is available. They need to solve the position badly. Wings are less of an emphasis for me, if still important. We just can't manage with our second big being Sochan.

[DAF86]

There are way more interesting 3-D wing than backup C trade and free agency targets.
Backup bigs are down to just a few options if we don't draft one.
Not to mention other teams can offer them a way bigger role.
Why would Capela or Kornet join the Spurs when Lakers need a starter?

Such as? 'Cause I've looked, and unless I fucked up doing the research, the free agents list of 3 and D wings is hot garbage, tbh.

[Atl Spur]

Since someone mentioned we're a Klutch team now: Maluach, Fleming and Will Riley are Klutch clients in the draft we might have interest in.

How many players do we have represented by CAA or someone else? Why does Klutch matter to you so much? Goofy stuff to say the least; all companies have their pro’s and con’s

[LeBowen]

Such as? 'Cause I've looked, and unless I fucked up doing the research, the free agents list of 3 and D wings is hot garbage, tbh.

I wrote trade and free agency, not just free agency.
Free agency is garbage in general, but backup big trade targets are also garbage, unlike 3-D wing targets.

[Degoat]

In KOC podcast today, he had J Kyle Mann on and he said he’s heard that the spurs and OKC are interested in Sorber.

[scott]

Stop trying to pair Wemby next to a non-shooting big. We already have enough non shooters as it is, don't add another brick layer to the equation, tbh.

14 should be Bryant, Coward, Fleming or Maluach, if he ever slips that low.

huh?

[scott]

In KOC podcast today, he had J Kyle Mann on and he said he’s heard that the spurs and OKC are interested in Sorber.

Sorber just makes a ton of sense coming off his injury. He can take a redshirt year like Topic did and slide right into iHart's spot after they let him go to free up salary. Fucking OKC.

[exstatic]

huh?

Yeah, I already mentioned that, plus the fact that Sorber showed a lot better game than Maluach on both sides of the ball. Mock drafters and a pile of GMs love a mystery box, though.

[DAF86]

huh?

Maluach projects as a guy that is supossed to develop a 3pt shot in the near future.

[exstatic]

Maluach projects as a guy that is supossed to develop a 3pt shot in the near future.

Wishcasting over a mystery box.

[scott]

Maluach projects as a guy that is supossed to develop a 3pt shot in the near future.

Based on what?

I certainly wouldn't hate Maluach at 14 at all... but I don't see why he would be in consideration but Sorber would be out unless you just believe he's that much better of a prospect that you can't pass him up at 14.

[exstatic]

Based on what?

I certainly wouldn't hate Maluach at 14 at all... but I don't see why he would be in consideration but Sorber would be out unless you just believe he's that much better of a prospect that you can't pass him up at 14.

I just like Sorber’s game better. He averages close to 3 assists with a right side up asst/TO ratio on one side, and. 4 stocks/36 on the other side of the ball.

[scott]

I just like Sorber’s game better. He averages close to 3 assists with a right side up asst/TO ratio on one side, and. 4 stocks/36 on the other side of the ball.

I like them both. 14 is a high price to pay for a backup C... but I view it as a backup and as an insurance policy for our most valuable asset (Wemby). Not only would it allow us to stay competitive if Wemby needs to miss time, but it also might let us load manage Wemby a little more.

[DAF86]

Based on what?

I certainly wouldn't hate Maluach at 14 at all... but I don't see why he would be in consideration but Sorber would be out unless you just believe he's that much better of a prospect that you can't pass him up at 14.

ShRbfZE-KEk?si=sAse2P74WAC92mxD

Maluach came into college as a promised stretch big, granted, he didn't take many 3's in college, but the potential has to still be there.

[objective]

Malauch hit the occasional 3 in the African League, he has that in his favor as far as shooting good goes, but still a long shot.

Sorber is so slow I don't get it with him, but whatever.

Give me Fleming or Bryant or Coward or even Wolf.

But I'd still rather have John Collins

[poopbox]

If we want Maluach we probably got to move up into the 10 or 11 range. I doubt he is there at 14.

He is the player I would most want to draft with that pick. Fine with him being a backup big and we know Wemby is going to miss some games so he is also going to get to start probably 10 or 15 games a season. I like some matchups with both on the floor and Wemby at the 4 as well.

[scott]

ShRbfZE-KEk?si=sAse2P74WAC92mxD

Maluach came into college as a promised stretch big, granted, he didn't take many 3's in college, but the potential has to still be there.

With all due respect, I'm not buying into Sochan's summer workout videos, and I'm not buying into any other player's either.

If he can develop a reliable 3, awesome, but I'm not drafting him to play alongside Wemby based on the idea that he came into college as a stretch big. If we take this guy (which I'm a proponent of), it's got to be our backup and Wemby insurance policy, IMO, and Sorber fits that same description.

Right now I'd rank my preferences at 14 as follows:

1. Maluach
2. Coward
3. Sorber
4. Bryant

I don't actually think Maluach would be there, so Coward is my top choice (I actually don't think Bryant will be there either)

[exstatic]

Malauch hit the occasional 3 in the African League, he has that in his favor as far as shooting good goes, but still a long shot.

Sorber is so slow I don't get it with him, but whatever.

Give me Fleming or Bryant or Coward or even Wolf.

But I'd still rather have John Collins

Castle was said to be too slow to get to the cup, too. It’s not about being fast, it’s about being at a different speed. Slow works, too. You take them down to your speed. Castle showed that, as did Kyle Anderson over the years.

[Dejounte]

This dude seriously used a workout video to justify Maluach becoming a good shooter someday? Wtf lmfao

[Ariel]

Supposedly his role in Duke was very different from the role he had in South Sudan and the NBA Academy, and he's shown the ability to shoot from 3 over there, he's just 18 and he's been playing basketball for 5 years only. I'm always skeptical of projections with very little to back them up, but also it's fair to acknowledge just because we have no evidence for this doesn't mean there isn't.

This reminds me of Wemby's class, Spurs were rumored to have Amen at 2 (I had Brandon Miller) and I was extremely wary of picking one of the Thompson twins because every clip seemed unserious level of competitiion, but they were right, we just don't have anywhere near access to the data they do, so I guess I'll defer to their judgement on this.

[DAF86]

This dude seriously used a workout video to justify Maluach becoming a good shooter someday? Wtf lmfao

No, you fucking dumbass. I gave an explanation, the video is just a bonus.

Why are yall acting as if draft prospects don't have perceived future strenghts, despite what current numbers indicate?

Everybody and their mothers knew Wemby was gonna be a 3pt threat despite him shooting less than 30% from 3 before getting to the NBA.

The Spurs drafted Castle because they knew he had playmaking chops, despite not playing as a main ball hanlder in UCCON.

This is the same shit, Maluach was projected as a stretch big coming into college. Granted, his low volume on 3 pt shots might have put some reservations into that notion, but he's still only 18 years old and the clean shooting stroke is there to still fully believe he will develop that reliable 3pt shot someday.

[Dejounte]

This is another Poku level take and it’s embarrassing tbh

[SpursBills]

Sorber's going to be a useful player, period. Bigs with his combination of passing and age usually pan out - I posted a while ago about guys with his combination of AST%, STL%, and OREB% usually outperform their draft stock. He's in the Wendell Carter Jr/Al Horford mold of "undersized" bigs who pass well and can kind of do a lot of different things. Highest defensive LEBRON in all of college basketball this year. With regards to defense, the only thing you can really quibble with is his size - if he's playing at the level, does he have the foot speed to keep up, especially with a foot injury at his age? And if he's playing drop, does he have the verticality for his rim protection to translate? Opponents shot 48% at the rim with him on, which is better than Lively 2 years ago (50%) although not nearly as good Clingan last year who was godlike (43%) in this respect. Way more questions on offense but the passing and IQ really helps him in this regard. I think (hopefully healthier) Wendell Carter Jr who is better on defense and worse on offense is probably a safe bet for him - since defense is more important for bigs than offense, his overall impact will probably be better.

Maluach requires a bit more projection, but in spite of his rawness he still protected the rim at the same rate (48% at the rim when he was on). You can say Flagg played a big part of that, but that rim% jumped up to 55% when he was off even though his backup Maliq Brown was a very good defender. Defensively he's got way better physical characteristics but worse instincts - I wouldn't say he's switchable, but he looks way more mobile than most guys his size, and his standing reach makes his translation to playing drop more palatable. Offensively, I think the numbers argument is that 2 point FG% and dunk% are both significant predictors for success for college bigs, and Maluach is elite at both. As far as rebounding, it's an interesting discourse because he's actually a top 10 offensive rebounder by % of the last 15 years among drafted prospects, so I think it's at worst a mixed bag. Not a huge fan of an AST:TO < 1 and it was REALLY bad last year, but I wonder how much of that is just a late development or whether his instincts are truly broken. For reference, he was at 0.7 this year, while Thabeet was at 0.25 as a 22 year old. Career wise, maybe Hibbert who can't get dusted as much on the perimeter? He seems way more agile and had a more confident shooting stroke last year so there's potential for BroLo offense possibly.

[Mugen]

I’d be okay if they traded down and picked up a future asset or two tbh.

[CGD]

With suns replacing rockets at 10…

Rockets seemed to be a team that would have wanted a Bryant/Coward type while the suns seem like the floor for Maluach or a likely Sorber landing spot

They also need a PG. I could see this as the Jaku landing spot.

[CGD]

Biggest need(s) for teams picking before #14:
#9(Raptors): PG and C
#10(Suns): C
#11(Blazers): not sure
#12(Bulls): C and SF/PF
#13(Hawks): C

It seems unlikely that a C like Queen will slide to Spurs pick. Carter Bryant or Noa Essengue could be available at #14 for Spurs. If Demin or Jakucionis are still there at #14, Spurs could get quite a lot for them in a trade.

Portland feels like the Bryant landing spot. Not sure if the visa issues for Malauch have resolved, but could see Essengue to Toronto

[sfernald]

Maluach is a non shooting big. He’s also got an upside down asst/TO ratio ,and a whopping 2,5 stocks/36.

Maluach is just a little too hasheem thabeet-y to me.

[sfernald]

Portland feels like the Bryant landing spot. Not sure if the visa issues for Malauch have resolved, but could see Essengue to Toronto

I have little doubt Bryant and Essengue will be gone by #14. Just because those teams need a center doesn’t mean they will draft a center. Most teams in lottery will probably pick best available player on their board unless they are a good team and have very specific needs that match a certain prospect.

[RC_Drunkford]

the shooting upside with Maluach is legit. He's not Sochan. He's not only shooting 3s, but also midrange and turnaround fadeaways. He literally nailed a jumper in Embiid's face in the olympics. This is not Steven Adams shooting in the gym, there's in game tape on this.

He's not a high percentage shooter as of now, but he's clearly capable of making them and shoots 75% on free throws. It's not a reach to predict that he will eventually shoot decent percentages. I think Sorber can get there as well, but if I had to pick between the 2, Maluach is the safer one when it comes to shooting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpcLk8FHUSA

[TimDunkem]

Usual suspects here with the awful Maluach takes, I see. lol non-shooting Hasheem Thabeet? :lol

[DPG21920]

Not being funny but does anyone know if Timvp is ok? Very odd that we didnt get any other threads or updates from him this entire time for over a month and draft is 2 days away.

[scott]

Not being funny but does anyone know if Timvp is ok? Very odd that we didnt get any other threads or updates from him this entire time for over a month and draft is 2 days away.

I asked awhile back if anyone actually had the ability to get in touch with him and got crickets. I got the impression that ChumpDumper might keep in touch with him in real life? CD, is this the case? Are you able to shed any light. People have genuine human concern for the Ellis family.

[DPG21920]

I asked awhile back if anyone actually had the ability to get in touch with him and got crickets. I got the impression that ChumpDumper might keep in touch with him in real life? CD, is this the case? Are you able to shed any light. People have genuine human concern for the Ellis family.

Just odd - I mean we know he wrote the draft board just a month ago, so hopefully hes all good.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall


Team Fit
The Spurs should find a center who can play next to and behind Wembanyama. Sorber could fit the bill since he’s shown flashes of mobility moving his feet on defense and the promise of a jumper. But at his foundation, he has a massive frame and the throwback skill set to match with strong screens, soft-touch finishes, and gritty drop-coverage instincts. At a minimum, he’d be a quality backup behind Wemby. And at best, they could become twin towers that start and end games.

[sfernald]

the shooting upside with Maluach is legit. He's not Sochan. He's not only shooting 3s, but also midrange and turnaround fadeaways. He literally nailed a jumper in Embiid's face in the olympics. This is not Steven Adams shooting in the gym, there's in game tape on this.

He's not a high percentage shooter as of now, but he's clearly capable of making them and shoots 75% on free throws. It's not a reach to predict that he will eventually shoot decent percentages. I think Sorber can get there as well, but if I had to pick between the 2, Maluach is the safer one when it comes to shooting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpcLk8FHUSA

You are so fucking far gone if you see nba three point shooter in that video. Ihart made 8 three points in the gleague championship game and now he shoots basically zero threes per year. This guy has a low chance of becoming even an average three point shooter. If you want to argue he will become a dominate rim protector and rim runner than fine, even an incredible screener but you aren’t selling me the three point pencil haha.

[Dejounte]

You are so fucking far gone if you see nba three point shooter in that video. Ihart made 8 three points in the gleague championship game and now he shoots basically zero threes per year. This guy has a low chance of becoming even an average three point shooter. If you want to argue he will become a dominate rim protector and rim runner than fine, even an incredible screener but you aren’t selling me the three point pencil haha.

“but you have to use your imagination for things we don’t have information on! Use your imagination, damnit!”

[Mugen]

Maybe I'm just giving them too much credit but the C @ #14 feels smokescreen-y to me.

Not because backup C isn't a position of needed but because the group of guys that could conceivably be available have significant question marks heading into next season. I think this team is very much trying to get into the playoffs next year and are going to be looking for an immediate rotation player with #14 or looking to trade it again.
-Maluach is a long shot to fall that far but even he seems like a few years away from being a rotation piece
-Sorber has injury concerns
-Berenger is super raw

I wonder if they're trying to bait a late teens team into trading up and their real target is someone like Nique Clifford tbh.

[Spurs Brazil]

Venice new Mock draft

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/



14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Cedric Coward | 6-5 wing | 21 years old | Washington State
I’ve been saying that Coward would be the clear riser in this draft class since early April, and that seems to have borne itself out. Though he committed to Duke this spring after entering the transfer portal, it felt exceedingly unlikely he was going to pull out of the draft given his tools and shot-making ability. His balance and fluidity are special for a player who is nearly 6-6 with a 7-2 wingspan. Everything in the kinetic chain with Coward is perfect. Everything is in one motion and clean with the jumper, with easy, repeatable mechanics to pair with touch. He seems to have added some explosiveness, too.

The Spurs could use more wings to pair with their cache of guards and Wembanyama, particularly ones who can shoot it. League sources have noted that San Antonio could move this pick if its preferred targets aren’t on the board. League sources have also recently connected both Beringer and Maluach with the Spurs, players they might have to move up for.

[TD 21]

If they don't trade it (probably for future draft capital), I suspect it'll be Sorber. The actualized version is more or less the ideal backup/double big option with Wembanyama and the archetype of big they've typical prioritized over the Beringer archetype.

I doubt Bryant makes it to 14 and while Coward seemingly has a better chance, unless they're planning to make a trade, they have quantity (if not quality) of youngish and young wings/forwards and are well positioned to sign Yabusele/LaRavia.

[SpursFan86]

Best case scenario is Atlanta jumping on the Beringer grenade right before us, and then us getting Coward or Sorber.

[DPG21920]

I want Kon really bad. I would be overjoyed if SA moved up from 14 to get him. Maybe if he falls to 8-11 range they can do it.

[DesignatedT]

If we're going Center, I'd rather trade back to the late 20's and attempt to fleece someone out of a future 1st or something and take Kalkbrenner. Don't like using 14 on someone like Sorber or Beringer.

I like Bryant and Coward but my guess is Essengue being the pick.

[Gibbz]

Who do y'all like between Sorber and Coward at 14?

[spurraider21]

Who do y'all like between Sorber and Coward at 14?
Coward

i'd take any of the 3&D forward types like Fleming/Bryant/Coward over Sorber

i like sorber more than the Beringer or Essengue though

[mo7888]

Who do y'all like between Sorber and Coward at 14?

Sorber for me..

[Mr. Body]

It's all a screen and they're going to take Egor Demin.

[mo7888]

It's all a screen and they're going to take Egor Demin.

I know it's a minority opinion, but I wouldn't hate it.

[scottspurs]

I’ll post this here too could be big news if true:

Adam Finkelstein from CBS sports is reporting that Victor Wembanyama no longer wants to play the 5 and has told the Franchise. He believes the Spurs are aggressively trying to trade up for Khaman Maluach or another big. If they get wiped out they could target a wing like Cedric Coward or trade back.

[Russ]

I’ll post this here too could be big news if true:

Adam Finkelstein from CBS sports is reporting that Victor Wembanyama no longer wants to play the 5 and has told the Franchise. He believes the Spurs are aggressively trying to trade up for Khaman Maluach or another big. If they get wiped out they could target a wing like Cedric Coward or trade back.

Wemby may not want to play the 5, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to play next to a 5 that will get in his way.

[scott]

I know it's a minority opinion, but I wouldn't hate it.

I like the Egor idea if they see him as a ball handling PF who can add a little more bulk to his frame and develop as a shooter. Would make for a really cool lineup alongside Fox, Harper and Castle (because Castle is a SF)

[mo7888]

I’ll post this here too could be big news if true:

Adam Finkelstein from CBS sports is reporting that Victor Wembanyama no longer wants to play the 5 and has told the Franchise. He believes the Spurs are aggressively trying to trade up for Khaman Maluach or another big. If they get wiped out they could target a wing like Cedric Coward or trade back.

That may explain not going after KD

[mo7888]

I like the Egor idea if they see him as a ball handling PF who can add a little more bulk to his frame and develop as a shooter. Would make for a really cool lineup alongside Fox, Harper and Castle (because Castle is a SF)

That's the way I see it too. I think it let's us develop the beautiful game with Wemby, Harper, and Demin in a couple years.

[scottspurs]

That may explain not going after KD

That was exactly my 1st thought

[Mr. Body]

I know it's a minority opinion, but I wouldn't hate it.

Same here. It's also on point. He's exactly the sort of player they go for.

[spurs10]

Not being funny but does anyone know if Timvp is ok? Very odd that we didnt get any other threads or updates from him this entire time for over a month and draft is 2 days away.


I asked awhile back if anyone actually had the ability to get in touch with him and got crickets. I got the impression that ChumpDumper (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=153) might keep in touch with him in real life? CD, is this the case? Are you able to shed any light. People have genuine human concern for the Ellis family. Yes I hope he and Kori are well. Their takes are my main reason for being here.

[scott]

Yes I hope he and Kori are well. Their takes are my main reason for being here.

Well, CD has been plenty active on this site today but hasn't addressed this question. I thought maybe he kept in touch with LJ and Kori based on a previous response he had to the joke that timvp had died. Maybe he doesn't know them personally, or maybe whatever they have going on they are keeping private.

Someone keeps paying the bills around here though... so I guess we can enjoy it while it lasts

[Eaglenole2002]

Ok, so if this placed closed up shop, where else is there to post to get decent discussion?

[sfernald]

I like the Egor idea if they see him as a ball handling PF who can add a little more bulk to his frame and develop as a shooter. Would make for a really cool lineup alongside Fox, Harper and Castle (because Castle is a SF)

I heard castle grew six inches this summer so now he’s a center.

[scott]

I heard castle grew six inches this summer so now he’s a center.

This is perfect because Wemby has decided he wants to be the Coyote.

[DAF86]

This is another Poku level take and it’s embarrassing tbh

Want me to compile all your horrible takes? :lol

[Dejounte]

Want me to compile all your horrible takes? :lol
Go ahead and compile them if you want, but it’s a waste of time— I’ve learned and grown from every take. That growth is why I’m able to have varied, meaningful discussions across different basketball topics. Meanwhile, it’s been a decade and your knowledge still hasn’t evolved past overhyping any big who can shoot.

[DAF86]

Go ahead and compile them if you want, but it’s a waste of time— I’ve learned and grown from every take. That growth is why I’m able to have varied, meaningful discussions across different basketball topics. Meanwhile, it’s been a decade and your knowledge still hasn’t evolved past overhyping any big who can shoot.

Maybe I needed to do less learning since my takes aren't as shit as yours, tbh. :lol

Anyways, can you hurry up and grow into a poster that doesn't neglect shooting in the NBA in 2025?

[Ice009]

I asked awhile back if anyone actually had the ability to get in touch with him and got crickets. I got the impression that ChumpDumper might keep in touch with him in real life? CD, is this the case? Are you able to shed any light. People have genuine human concern for the Ellis family.

Yeah, my guess would be CD might know him, but apart from that, not sure who else would have contact with them in real life.


Just odd - I mean we know he wrote the draft board just a month ago, so hopefully hes all good.

I forgot about that draft board article. I'd settle for knowing if he's at least OK health wise. I guessed he's really busy. Hope it's nothing health related. Did you used to keep in touch with him outside the message board years ago? I thought you did know him outside of here, but can't remember.


Yes I hope he and Kori are well. Their takes are my main reason for being here.

I echo that sentiment.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, my guess would be CD might know him, but apart from that, not sure who else would have contact with them in real life.



I forgot about that draft board article. I'd settle for knowing if he's at least OK health wise. I guessed he's really busy. Hope it's nothing health related. Did you used to keep in touch with him outside the message board years ago? I thought you did know him outside of here, but can't remember.



I echo that sentiment.

There was a running gag he was my Uncle but it was just a gag - didnt know him in real world but talked in DMs a few times.

[Ice009]

There was a running gag he was my Uncle but it was just a gag - didnt know him in real world but talked in DMs a few times.

OK, darn, yep, that is what I was vaguely remembering. I do remember all that now. Thanks for clarifying.

[RC_Drunkford]

getting a big like Sorber who can immediately play back up 5 on a rookie deal would be amazing value. The 14th pick only costs you 5 million in salary. Daniel Gafford just signed for 20 million. I'm not mad if we get a 3-and-D wing either though.


You are so fucking far gone if you see nba three point shooter in that video. Ihart made 8 three points in the gleague championship game and now he shoots basically zero threes per year. This guy has a low chance of becoming even an average three point shooter. If you want to argue he will become a dominate rim protector and rim runner than fine, even an incredible screener but you aren’t selling me the three point pencil haha.

He has shooting upside regardless. I'm not just saying college tape, but the sudanese national team as well, plus his FT%. It's a gamble like it is with anybody you draft. And regardless if he becomes a shooter or not, the other intangibles give him a very high floor.

[bluebellmaniac]

When did Chump come back to life?

Been gone a while and see people mentioning him.

TIA

[Ditty]

How do y'all see the fit with Sorber and Wemby?

I am among the few who would be fine with Berringer at 14. I get the appeal down the line, along with the current concerns.

If we could trade back with Brooklyn and get him at 19 and pick up 26 or 27 to get Hugo or Powell, I would love that, too.

I am with Spurs Raider and prefer Coward over any of the bigs. Get Laravia still and a big in free agency.

However, I still like Essengue's home run swing at 15.

[sfernald]

We might as well just set the league on fire if he’s there at #14 and we let Okc nab him…


https://youtu.be/9QmeZLlxYe4?si=ny-4V3gbnu6jZX-Y

[John B]

We might as well just set the league on fire if he’s there at #14 and we let Okc nab him…


https://youtu.be/9QmeZLlxYe4?si=ny-4V3gbnu6jZX-Y

Dude Spurs already have Sochan as undersized PF who can’t shoot

[SpursFan86]

I really do like CMB and think he could likely be a steal in the teens, but we just really can’t afford to take another non-shooter at 14 unless it’s a center. Would suck to see him go to OKC though.

[SpursBills]

I really do like CMB and think he could likely be a steal in the teens, but we just really can’t afford to take another non-shooter at 14 unless it’s a center. Would suck to see him go to OKC though.

For this reason I am hoping that Phoenix takes him at 10. CMB stopped being an option for SA at 14 as soon as they got the #2 pick, but if I had to pick one guy in this draft that can give Wemby major issues it’s him. Absolutely do not want him in OKC, hoping he goes to literally any other team

[Mr. Body]

OKC is very likely to move up to grab a player they want, maybe a player we want. Just get used to it. They have assets to burn.

[Ocotillo]

Even if OKC doesn't move up, someone's favorite potential pick will be available for them and the we are doomed posts will be start coming out.

[CGD]

I wonder if the supposed Spurs interest in Sorber is to put pressure on OKC to use an asset to jump them. Tis the season of misdirection

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the supposed Spurs interest in Sorber is to put pressure on OKC to use an asset to jump them. Tis the season of misdirection

Yes, it's very much a possibility.

[ginobilized]

Even if OKC wants to jump to 10, I don't really think PHX would do that. They need to bring in a player now to save face and offer their fans a consolation prize for losing KD.
Is there another angle that I'm missing here?

[ulosturedge]

Dude Spurs already have Sochan as undersized PF who can’t shoot

The thing is even if it's not ideal CMB might end up the BPA at 14. Not my personal choice, but he would be more ready then alot of the other Prospects we are wanting.

Beringer - Project
Essengue - leaning towards Project (higher potential)
Fleming - Needs development
Sorber - somewhat mixed
Coward - Most NBA ready other than CMB
Bryant - ideal

I'm thinking Bryant and Essengue will be gone by our pick.

[John B]

The thing is even if it's not ideal CMB might end up the BPA at 14. Not my personal choice, but he would be more ready then alot of the other Prospects we are wanting.

Beringer - Project
Essengue - leaning towards Project (higher potential)
Fleming - Needs development
Sorber - somewhat mixed
Coward - Most NBA ready other than CMB
Bryant - ideal

I'm thinking Bryant and Essengue will be gone by our pick.

Of your list I like Sorber, Bryant, Fleming in that order

[TD 21]

If they acquire Porzingis, they'd presumably intend to extend him, in which case I'd switch most likely from Sorber to Coward.

[DAF86]

Look at that shooting form :claw

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[CGD]

I’m predicting that the Suns have done ZERO meaningful draft prep for #10, and will draft the trendiest name available. If Malauch is gone, I have a feeling they’ll take Coward.

[Mr. Body]

I was really interested in trading back with Brooklyn, if possible, but now that they have the 22, I think they can leap over us pretty easily and get a better pick.

[CGD]

I was really interested in trading back with Brooklyn, if possible, but now that they have the 22, I think they can leap over us pretty easily and get a better pick.

Maybe, the down side of having 4 mediocre is that they are pretty devalued.

[scott]

BKN calling up MIL "so... we're willing to offer 5 FRPs for MIL..." :lol

[rascal]

I’m predicting that the Suns have done ZERO meaningful draft prep for #10, and will draft the trendiest name available. If Malauch is gone, I have a feeling they’ll take Coward.

This is funny.

Of course they have done draft prep.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe, the down side of having 4 mediocre is that they are pretty devalued.

They'll have so many options with those. If I'm PHX I try to get more than one rookie in; I'd be super interested in trading back. Brooklyn could trade the 19 and 26 or the 22 and the 26, the 19 and 22. I don't know how the values work out, but I'd definitely be listening to something along those lines for the 14.

[CGD]

This is funny.

Of course they have done draft prep.

That franchise famously thinks very little of the draft.

[sfernald]

I’m predicting that the Suns have done ZERO meaningful draft prep for #10, and will draft the trendiest name available. If Malauch is gone, I have a feeling they’ll take Coward.

It's almost 100% certain it will be Jase Richardson for the Michigan State connection. Almost everyone hired this offseason at this point has come from there lol.

[sfernald]

They'll have so many options with those. If I'm PHX I try to get more than one rookie in; I'd be super interested in trading back. Brooklyn could trade the 19 and 26 or the 22 and the 26, the 19 and 22. I don't know how the values work out, but I'd definitely be listening to something along those lines for the 14.

I'm thinking Okc will try to leap us to suns #10 with 15 and 24 and 44, probably better than what Brooklyn is offering. The price doesn't really matter to okc, just as long as they get the guy they want. They don't have room for those picks anyway.

[Mr. Body]

I'm thinking Okc will try to leap us to suns #10 with 15 and 24 and 40, probably better than what Brooklyn is offering. The price doesn't really matter to okc, just as long as they get the guy they want.

Thunder have to burn assets in some way and their needs are very narrow. They can't just tack on more rookies, they don't have the slots. I also expect they'll jump up, but don't know if it will be a big. Could be an Essengue or Carter Bryant.

[sfernald]

Thunder have to burn assets in some way and their needs are very narrow. They can't just tack on more rookies, they don't have the slots. I also expect they'll jump up, but don't know if it will be a big. Could be an Essengue or Carter Bryant.

Yeah I agree completely. I think they like more or less the same ones we do unfortunately haha.

[Degoat]

Want- Sorber

expectation- Beringer

Reality- Reynaud

[exstatic]

Maybe, the down side of having 4 mediocre is that they are pretty devalued.

This. Those four non lottery firsts of Brooklyn’s are trash. They’ll not be able to jump us with that mess.

[picnroll]

There may well reach a point where prospects don’t want to sign with OKC do to lack of opportunity

[dn0774]

This. Those four non lottery firsts of Brooklyn’s are trash. They’ll not be able to jump us with that mess.

In the Game Theory Mock draft podcast today Vecenie was mentioning that around the league low 30s 2nd rounders were being treated as more valuable than late 20s 1st rounders due to not having that guaranteed money attached that a 1st rounder carries. With NIL money causing a lot of late 1st-early 2nd talent to go back to school this fall instead of staying in the draft that means even less possibilities this year with those picks.

[CGD]

In the Game Theory Mock draft podcast today Vecenie was mentioning that around the league low 30s 2nd rounders were being treated as more valuable than late 20s 1st rounders due to not having that guaranteed money attached that a 1st rounder carries. With NIL money causing a lot of late 1st-early 2nd talent to go back to school this fall instead of staying in the draft that means even less possibilities this year with those picks.

It’s a good point. I suspect Malaki or Blake’s expiring + 38 can get one of those late firsts. Looking at Boston (28), Suns (29), and Clips (30). Maybe not Boston now.

You don’t just do it for the sake of doing it obviously, but might be interesting if say a Fleming, Sarif, Powell, Gonzalez, Penda are there.

[bigzak25]

Harper or not,

Spurs gotta trade Up from 14 to grab Sorber. You do what.it takes kinda deal.

Then, you trade future assets as needed to draft Maxime in the 1st as well. Per Timvp's article, he's Wemby's friend and projected at #20. Again, team needs to do what they gotta do to get it done.

[Marcus Bryant]

Take best player available - caveat is you can make a riskier bet here.

Same for 38, these picks are gravy, take a couple shots. Trade down or out if warranted, but there’s enough talent there to use both.

[Mr. Body]

Take best player available - caveat is you can make a riskier bet here.

Same for 38, these picks are gravy, take a couple shots. Trade down or out if warranted, but there’s enough talent there to use both.

Who is the best player available?

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs will most likely have added Castle, Fox, and Harper within last 12 months. They can afford to go with a high upside, not as ready player at 14.

Use free agency and subsequent trade(s) to round out roster. They can be greedy with 14 and 38.

[Mr. Body]

So, like Kasparas Jakucionis if he drops.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sure, you can wait on 14 and 38 to develop.

I wouldn’t use draft capital to move up from 14 unless there is someone your smart front office staff has a strong opinion about.

Also any draft and stash international prospects might be good use.

I guess you could always think about rolling one or both picks for future picks/swaps but seems like enough talent in this draft to use them.

Again you will have a solid top 4 with three of them 21 and under, can think about playing the long game here.

[Mr. Body]

I agree that the core of the team is basically here. May make changes, sure, but Wemby and Fox and Castle and Harper could become pretty fearsome. Just need to get some players around them.

[bigzak25]

Take best player available - caveat is you can make a riskier bet here.

Same for 38, these picks are gravy, take a couple shots. Trade down or out if warranted, but there’s enough talent there to use both.

Good to see you MB! The more Quality takes is awesome!

Im gonna go check out Sion James at 38.

[DAF86]

Select the 40% 3pt shooter with a 7'2" wingspan and good defense. Don't overthink it, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Want: Coward/Bryant/Fleming

Expecting: Beringer

[024]

Not too high on Coward but he's more likely to be on the board at 14 vs Carter Bryant. Fleming would be good too.

Taking a forward with no 3 pt shooting upside will be hard to see. Don't really want add to the logjam of prospects who need a 3 pt shot to play with Wemby, Castle, Harper, and Fox. Rather see the Spurs draft a true C.

[cutewizard]

Wise pick!

Congratulations to our beloved Spurs!

[Marcus Bryant]

Proper use of pick 14.

IMO. :hat

[SpursBills]

Bryant has the potential to be a terrific off-ball wing. Sorber would have been great too. But honestly, best use of 14 might have been the #23 + the '26 pick that the Hawks got - jesus I can't believe that return.