Pick #14 - Strategies

[Guru of Nothing]

If we get Giannis, Fleming becomes a bit of a luxury pick.

I like luxury.

[bevo]

I was thinking. Lets say we keep #2. Would we see if Brooklyn would trade Cam for #14?

[scott]

I'm thinking if we are going for Giannis, #14 is going out the door as well.

I also don't think we'll seriously be in the Giannis chase unless Giannis specifically demands San Antonio. The Spurs don't like to play in competitive trade games where the price gets ratcheted up by competition, which is a good approach to avoid emptying your war chest and getting left with your pants down.

At #14 now with #2 in hand, I like Sorber, Carter and maybe a raw athletic prospect like Essengue.

[Mr. Body]

I was thinking. Lets say we keep #2. Would we see if Brooklyn would trade Cam for #14?

They have a lot of picks in this draft already though

[LeBowen]

I don't think there's much to discuss with this pick.
Either get the best available wing or trade it.

Newell, CMB, Bryant, Essengue, Demin, Sorber, Fleming are projected in that range.
Figure out who's the best available player and either get him or trade the pick.

[objective]

Most far out prediction:

Hansen Yang at 14 to soak up that China money to help pay for the future.

Barlowe brothers today were talking about him moving up into the first round.

[Chinook]

Use it to draft a center. Getting a backup for Wemby who's cost-controlled for four years and who could become a decent trade asset if he develops is my top goal. If the Spurs draft Bailey instead of Harper, then Richardson becomes a logical choice

[Mr. Body]

I still think you go upside here, so long as it's a big or wing. No need for more guards with guaranteed contracts. I'd be making calls for moving up to poach a Queen if he falls (unlikely). Otherwise, a Sorber, a Demin, they're all good.

[Guru of Nothing]

I would not mind Bailey with the 14.

[HankChinaski]

I would be excited if Carter Bryant was still on the board at 14.
Harper and Bryant would be a great draft. Look for a backup big with 2nd round pick or see who goes undrafted and sign them to summer league and see if they or someone else on SL stands out for the two way.

[baseline bum]

I'd go McNeeley, Fleming, or Essengue, leaning towards the first two.

[SpursFan86]

Personally think it’s unlikely we use #14 unless #2 gets traded.

[SpursBills]

Honestly if Essengue or Sorber aren't there, I'd rather just trade back with Brooklyn and pick up two of their picks in the 20s for it. A lot of underrated guys in the 20s that can be valuable rotation players.

Walter Clayton Jr - 4th guard who offers shooting and is the ideal off-guard next to Castle or Harper
Yaxel Lendeborg - I just think he's a straight up better player and prospect compared to Fleming - similar measurements, more physical, better rebounder, better basketball IQ
Kalkbrenner - can continue playing drop when Wemby goes to the bench, 9'4 standing reach and 7'6 wingspan

[Holt's Cat]

I think being able to get impact player at 2 increases odds that the pick at 14 is a higher upside, less immediate impact kind of pick. Any potential draft and stash type options?

[Mugen]

I hope they don't trade out of this pick tbh. There will be some really good prospects that will still be available. I personally like Essengue but I wouldn't be mad at a Bryant or one of the bigs.

[kht]

I was thinking. Lets say we keep #2. Would we see if Brooklyn would trade Cam for #14?

Dude Cam is like 30 years old lol. We're not ready to win now though I'm sure the team would benefit from a 1st round series.

[spurraider21]

i'd be very happy with any of Fleming, Bryant, or Sorber

i'd be ok with McNeeley, Clifford

i could live with Essengue

[Robz4000]

Fleming imo

[spurraider21]

vecenie on his post-lotto pod said Cedric Coward at 14 is one he likes. thats quite a bit earlier than ive seen him go elsewhere.

[SPURt]

This is gonna be a trade for cash smh

[Bruno]

Spurs likely taking Harper at #2 will result in them playing a lot of 3 guards lineup. It makes a player, who is primary a SF, like McNeeley, less attractive than before the lottery.

Fleming's profile is even more perfect now for Spurs. Spurs fifth player alongside Fox, Harper, Castle and Wembanyama can play a Bowen like role on the offensive end. The main question about Fleming is whether or not he is a good player behind his great profile.

Spurs could gamble on some young high upside prospect like Asa Newell, Carter Bryant, Essengue or even Beringer.

[RedAzSa]

vecenie on his post-lotto pod said Cedric Coward at 14 is one he likes. thats quite a bit earlier than ive seen him go elsewhere.
Zach Lowe mentioned him as a guy that front offices are really high on but don’t want to tip their hand. Seems like a really intriguing player

[spurraider21]

Spurs likely taking Harper at #2 will result in them playing a lot of 3 guards lineup. It makes a player, who is primary a SF, like McNeeley, less attractive than before the lottery.

Fleming's profile is even more perfect now for Spurs. Spurs fifth player alongside Fox, Harper, Castle and Wembanyama can play a Bowen like role on the offensive end. The main question about Fleming is whether or not he is a good player behind his great profile.

Spurs could gamble on some young high upside prospect like Asa Newell, Carter Bryant, Essengue or even Beringer.
i agree with Fleming. i do think its a fair question to ask if they actually would like Fleming the player vs the idea of the archetype that Fleming would occupy.

i like bryant a lot, but he has no on-ball game or ball handling to speak of. neither does Fleming, but its more forgivable when you have that kind of size. i dont really see high upside in Newell. Essengue is at least intriguing and his shooting has come alive a bit, but man, if we are taking Harper, i really want the next pick to have shooting as one of his strengths, not one of his swing skills

[spurraider21]

Zach Lowe mentioned him as a guy that front offices are really high on but don’t want to tip their hand. Seems like a really intriguing player
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[scott]

WTF does it mean for a draft prospect to be listed as a "potential Duke recruit"? Isn't everyone on the planet technically a potential Duke recruit? :lol

[objective]

WTF does it mean for a draft prospect to be listed as a "potential Duke recruit"? Isn't everyone on the planet technically a potential Duke recruit? :lol

I think it's because of the transfer portal and NIL money .... I think some guys have agreements and $$$ amounts already in place in case they don't like their draft buzz and go back to school.

[scott]

I wonder if trading #8 last year was in small part due to not wanting two rookies to have to worry about so they could focus exclusively on developing Castle… or if it was truly a matter of liking the MIN deal/not liking what was on the board.

If it was a matter of development (maybe they didn’t love the experience with 3 rookies with Sochan/Branham/Wesley), then they might look to trade out of #14 as well.

[RC_Drunkford]

you either use the pick on a forward or a back up C. Bryant and Fleming are my top options in that range. I'd rather pick a back up C with our 2nd rounder, but not sure if we are taking on 3 rookies.

[John B]

If they keep Dylan, Fleming is the perfect Naz Reid type here at 14, the same 9’1 standing reach who can shoot 3 and play D.

The problem is he might rise with that Combine measurement.

[Raven]

trade for sure, but otherwise it has to be a center.

[Robz4000]

you either use the pick on a forward or a back up C. Bryant and Fleming are my top options in that range. I'd rather pick a back up C with our 2nd rounder, but not sure if we are taking on 3 rookies.

They need an experienced backup C regardless imo.

[Robz4000]

If they can get a package like they got for #8 last year they should take it imo.

[Mal]

I would like Esengue with the pick

[exstatic]

This is gonna be a trade for cash smh

Uh, no. We haven’t sold a first round pick in decades.

[RC_Drunkford]

They need an experienced backup C regardless imo.

sure but we'll also need a 3rd one and I'd like to pick a big in the 2nd round for that role. I don't think Charles Bassey's knees will hold up. They won't bring him back.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I was thinking. Lets say we keep #2. Would we see if Brooklyn would trade Cam for #14?

Brooklyn already has the 8th, 19th, 26th and 27th picks in this draft. Getting the 14th pick for Cam seems like a non-starter. In fact, I think it is more likely that they would be interested in trading 19 and 26 for 14 if the Spurs are interested which I doubt they would be. I look for the Nets to be either consolidating picks or trading out picks for future drafts not taking on more picks.

[mo7888]

I'd go McNeeley, Fleming, or Essengue, leaning towards the first two.

That's where I'm at too, especially if McNeely is still available. Get a serviceable big in the 2nd.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Fleming at 14.

This kid play with fire in his eyes.

Plus, very humble and soft-spoken. Like a typical spur.

[mo7888]

Ok...here me out...

#14 + Devin + Keldon to Philly for #3 + PG

[baseline bum]

Ok...here me out...

#14 + Devin + Keldon to Philly for #3 + PG

Philly's not giving up the #3 pick just to get out of three years of PG13.

[mo7888]

Philly's not giving up the #3 pick just to get out of three years of PG13.

Maybe, but I'm not sure. It didn't work for them last year and they need depth. It might require adding Sochan or another asset, but I doubt it'll take much more than that since Morey's job is on a short-term leash, not a longterm one.

[Russ]

Since there is no doubt who the Spurs will (and should) take at #2, the #14 pick becomes even more interesting and potentially critical to the team's future.

Here's a list of players available at #14 through the end of the First Round according to the latest mocks by NBADraft.net and Tankathon.

Note that many of these guys were favorites on this board even at #8 if the Spurs had retained that pick.

First, NBADraft.net:

Joan Beringer 6-10 230 PF/C France Intl.
Rasheer Fleming 6-9 240 PF/C St. Joseph's Jr.
Asa Newell 6-10 220 PF Georgia Fr.
Liam McNeeley 6-7 210 SF UConn Fr.
Will Riley 6-8 180 SF Illinois Fr.
Nique Clifford 6-6 200 SG Colorado St. Sr.
Khaman Maluach 7-2 250 C Duke Fr.
Tahaad Pettiford 6-1 170 PG Auburn Fr.
Boogie Fland 6-2 175 PG/SG Arkansas Fr.
Yaxel Lendeborg 6-9 250 PF/C UAB Sr.
Carter Bryant 6-8 220 SF Arizona Fr.
Collin Murray-Boyles 6-7 245 PF/C South Carolina So.
Jase Richardson 6-3 180 PG/SG Michigan St. Fr.
Noah Penda 6-6 215 SG/SF France Intl.
Walter Clayton 6-4 190 PG Florida Sr.
Labaron Philon 6-4 180 PG Alabama Fr.
Hugo Gonzalez 6-6 200 SG Spain Intl.

According to Tankathon:

Noa Essengue
Liam McNeeley
Egor Demin
Nolan Traore
Thomas Sorber
Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
Ben Saraf
Joan Beringer
Danny Wolf
Nique Clifford
Will Riley
Yaxel Lendeborg
Walter Clayton Jr.
Labaron Philon
Kam Jones
Johni Broome

This could be a crucial decision that we all scrutinize in retrospect -- the Spurs need to nail it.

[Bruno]

i like bryant a lot, but he has no on-ball game or ball handling to speak of. neither does Fleming, but its more forgivable when you have that kind of size. i dont really see high upside in Newell. Essengue is at least intriguing and his shooting has come alive a bit, but man, if we are taking Harper, i really want the next pick to have shooting as one of his strengths, not one of his swing skills

Right now, there isn't a single player to me that is a no-brainer to be picked at 14th by Spurs. Lack of shooting is a true issue for some of theses prospects. Not having on ball skills is less an issue to me because Spurs won't need that for him with all the playmakers they will have.

Trading the pick for a vet is fine by me.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if trading #8 last year was in small part due to not wanting two rookies to have to worry about so they could focus exclusively on developing Castle… or if it was truly a matter of liking the MIN deal/not liking what was on the board.

If it was a matter of development (maybe they didn’t love the experience with 3 rookies with Sochan/Branham/Wesley), then they might look to trade out of #14 as well.

By accounts, they had someone in mind they wanted to take. Open question who that was. But they did advertise they were interested in offers. This came out publicly, which is unusual for them. If Minnesota didn't give the kind of offer they wanted, they would probably have taken their guy.

[mo7888]

Right now, there isn't a single player to me that is a no-brainer to be picked at 14th by Spurs. Lack of shooting is a true issue for some of theses prospects. Not having on ball skills is less an issue to me because Spurs won't need that for him with all the playmakers they will have.

Trading the pick for a vet is fine by me.

I'm good with trading it for a vet, using it on a big that drops (Queen/Sorber), but other than that I just prioritize who I think will be a consistent deep threat.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think I want to trade this pick for a vet, but Harper really changes everything. We don't need to swing for upside because, well, it's here. I still want to go for upside, personally, nonetheless. It would be hard for me to pass on an Egon Demin or take a swing on those Bryant guys. Problem is that pick is fairly expensive salary-wise for a non sure thing.

[Kurik]

Fleming or Bryant would be my top choices if available.

I’d be cool with CMB or Sorber if the above aren’t available.

I think all 4 could play a healthy number of minutes off the bench right away.

[spurraider21]

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[vy65]

Spurs likely taking Harper at #2 will result in them playing a lot of 3 guards lineup. It makes a player, who is primary a SF, like McNeeley, less attractive than before the lottery.

Fleming's profile is even more perfect now for Spurs. Spurs fifth player alongside Fox, Harper, Castle and Wembanyama can play a Bowen like role on the offensive end. The main question about Fleming is whether or not he is a good player behind his great profile.

Spurs could gamble on some young high upside prospect like Asa Newell, Carter Bryant, Essengue or even Beringer.

Excellent thoughts. You'd think with 3 dynamic guards, you'd want a Bowen-type 3/D long PF next to Wemby. I don't know the comparative strengths/weaknesses between Fleming/CMB/Bryant/Essengue/McNeely, but it sounds like there will be several prospects that could fit a position of need at 14. There is a lot of anticipation that some combination (hopefully most) of Vessell/Keldon/Sochan/Branham/Blake will be gone too, so I think it becomes more important to use the pick than to move off of it given the team's needs.

[Russ]

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The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

[CorrectCrusader]

Draft Cedric Coward

[LeBowen]

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

It's a dilemma, but never a bad one.

You don't pass on a player because he'll be too good.
Maybe OKC won't pay Williams, but they can get a lot for him and keep the roster going.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fleming will not get the max. He‘s a role player.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

Oh my lord!

You want to pass Fleming because he may be too good to keep? :spin

[Russ]

Oh my lord!

You want to pass Fleming because he may be too good to keep? :spin

The problem is his goodness may be way too apparent way too soon.

It's a crazy fucking world. :lol

[vy65]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

You don't pass on a prospect because he'll produce at an all-star level for the next 5 years. That's lunacy. You take him now and figure it out a half decade later.

[DPG21920]

Cedric Coward shooting lights out at combine

[objective]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

Flemming isn't on ball at all currently. Nothing like Jalen W.

More like Has Reid. Hustle player who hits enough threes to be getting a nice second contract but still has doubts on just how real the shooting is. The second contract proves he's worth more and his 3rd deal is close to starting money but it's not on ball and there's no risk of an all-nba team to jack up his money

[CGD]

Could someone explain why most mocks consistently have Flemming in the 20s? Is it just the age issue?
I dont know the player well enough.

[CGD]

Draft Cedric Coward

This guy is getting a lot of hype right now. Might climb into our range. Is he another guy being dinged for his age?

[objective]

Could someone explain why most mocks consistently have Flemming in the 20s? Is it just the age issue?
I dont know the player well enough.

Only shot 3s well last year and not his first 2 college years. Easy to doubt how legit of a shooter he is.

Can't create for himself, only third in scoring on his crap college team

Disappeared in the conference and NIT tourny games his team played

So there's a strong argument to be made that he's just a guy with good measurements who got hot in a still small shooting sample, it happens.

[DAF86]

Maluach, Carter Bryant or Rasheer Fleming.

[Biggems]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.


We have 3 picks. I want Harper, Sorber, and Broome.

[cd98]

I say Harper and Bryant and then try and get a big in free agency. Go all in on Naz Reid.

[stnick2261]

Spurs likely taking Harper at #2 will result in them playing a lot of 3 guards lineup. It makes a player, who is primary a SF, like McNeeley, less attractive than before the lottery.

Fleming's profile is even more perfect now for Spurs. Spurs fifth player alongside Fox, Harper, Castle and Wembanyama can play a Bowen like role on the offensive end. The main question about Fleming is whether or not he is a good player behind his great profile.

Spurs could gamble on some young high upside prospect like Asa Newell, Carter Bryant, Essengue or even Beringer.

If Fox / Castle / Harper could each rotate through 32 minutes at the PG/SG role... I would do everything to trade Vassell and Johnson to free up the SF position for dedicated 3&D players. Keep Champagnie, somehow get McNeeley and Fleming... hope Sochan's shot comes around because I think his defense and rebounding is still useful somewhere in the rotation.

[Russ]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.




Bingo.

[Seventyniner]

With the ability of teams to absorb contracts into the MLE via trade, I would look into a trade with the Celtics involving Hauser. Cutting $10M off their cap would be worth a lot to them. Is #14 too much to pay?

His contract is $2.1M this season, but his extension is 10.0/10.8/11.7/12.5 over the next 4 years. A very reasonable deal for a very good shooting bench forward. I don't know if the Spurs could trade for him on draft night or if they would have to wait for his contract to tick over to the extension value in July.

[Obstructed_View]

While I agree that McNeely is less attractive to the Spurs running all these little guards around Victor, I think his floor is pretty high and they don't need to keep swinging for the fences at this point. A solid shooter with a winning pedigree ain't the worst piece to add.

[spurraider21]

if the team buys mcneeley's shooting, then adding a sniper who can shot well off movement is actually exactly what this team needs

[BackHome]

I was hoping he would shoot better today while he did good on the 3 ball he not so good on the mid range shooting.

[BackHome]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.


We have 3 picks. I want Harper, Sorber, and Broome.

I like Sorber but am scared of taking a big coming off foot surgery

[Bruno]

If Fox / Castle / Harper could each rotate through 32 minutes at the PG/SG role... I would do everything to trade Vassell and Johnson to free up the SF position for dedicated 3&D players. Keep Champagnie, somehow get McNeeley and Fleming... hope Sochan's shot comes around because I think his defense and rebounding is still useful somewhere in the rotation.

I agree but, right now, Vassell is a Spur with $106M/4 years left on his contract. I'm not counting him out of the rotation as long as he hasn't been traded.

Getting Harper should really push Spurs to trade Vassell. Vassell would play SF next season and would be the 4th offensive option most of the time he is on the court (behind 2 of Fox/Castle/Harper and Wemby). It's a bad setup for him to be successful.

[Uriel]

Unless the front office absolutely falls in love with a prospect (like they did last year with Salaun) and he’s actually still available at 14, I see them trading this pick for more future capital.

[Mr. Body]

Unless the front office absolutely falls in love with a prospect (like they did last year with Salaun) and he’s actually still available at 14, I see them trading this pick for more future capital.

Obligatory note: there is no reason to think the Spurs fell in love with Saluan last year.

[vy65]

I'm really curious what 14+Vassell/Keldon+38 would get us.

Lauri
S&T for Jollins
JJJ
TMIII
KD

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm really curious what 14+Vassell/Keldon+38 would get us.

Lauri
S&T for Jollins
JJJ
TMIII
KD

that's a huge overpay for Collins. Keldon + Branham and 2-3 second round picks should be enough to get that done.

[scott]

I'm really curious what 14+Vassell/Keldon+38 would get us.

Lauri
S&T for Jollins
JJJ
TMIII
KD

My guess says probably only Jollins out of that bunch.

KD isn’t worth more, but you’ll at least have to add more to match the salary.

Lauri, JJJ and TMIII will all take hauls. TMIII is close to untouchable for NOP, but I’m sure they would do the deal if it meant moving up to #2… but I don’t see a scenario where they agree to TMIII for Vassell and #14.

I also don’t think we should be thinking of any additional max players, personally. Jollins and TMIII are the only two on the list who will be on reasonable deals (TMIII on a bargain deal, tbh).

[buujness]

If they keep the pick, count me as a fan of taking Cedric Coward. Really solid all-around player, both offensively and defensively. Tends to make the right play in just about any situation. He'd be really additive.

[baseline bum]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

If Fleming ends up worth a max contract in four years you just trade him for cost controlled young guys and picks. Seems like a great problem to have.

[baseline bum]

that's a huge overpay for Collins. Keldon + Branham and 2-3 second round picks should be enough to get that done.

I'd rather get out of Vassell's money

[scott]

If Fleming ends up worth a max contract in four years you just trade him for cost controlled young guys and picks. Seems like a great problem to have.

Yep. I think this is the model in OKC that Presti is trying to put in place... you have your core (SGA/Chet/Williams in OKCs case), now you just keep filling the pipeline with supporting talent and then flip it right before it gets expensive to refill the coffers with picks to keep loading up the talent pipeline.

Wemby/Castle/Harper can be that core for us, and then we just look to do the same (though we currently have less picks to do it with, though our picks are all very high quality due to the swaps attached).

[LeBowen]

I think this is the model in OKC that Presti is trying to put in place... you have your core (SGA/Chet/Williams in OKCs case)

My hot take would be that Presti won't offer two rookie max extensions and that one of Williams/Chet gets traded, even if they win a ring.
Williams is kind of too similar to SGA and hasn't shown he'd be worth the money. Presti always tries to be the smartest one in the room, I'm sure he'll try to fleece someone for Williams.

[CGD]

Only shot 3s well last year and not his first 2 college years. Easy to doubt how legit of a shooter he is.

Can't create for himself, only third in scoring on his crap college team

Disappeared in the conference and NIT tourny games his team played

So there's a strong argument to be made that he's just a guy with good measurements who got hot in a still small shooting sample, it happens.

Thanks -- sounds like the range is justified then.

[CGD]

I agree but, right now, Vassell is a Spur with $106M/4 years left on his contract. I'm not counting him out of the rotation as long as he hasn't been traded.

Getting Harper should really push Spurs to trade Vassell. Vassell would play SF next season and would be the 4th offensive option most of the time he is on the court (behind 2 of Fox/Castle/Harper and Wemby). It's a bad setup for him to be successful.

Do you watch much of Noa Essengue in Europe? What are your thoughts?
If we are taking big swings at 14, seems like his profile would make sense.

[scott]

My hot take would be that Presti won't offer two rookie max extensions and that one of Williams/Chet gets traded, even if they win a ring.
Williams is kind of too similar to SGA and hasn't shown he'd be worth the money. Presti always tries to be the smartest one in the room, I'm sure he'll try to fleece someone for Williams.

My hot take is that Chet hasn't earned a rookie max extension anyway since he's missed half his games over 3 years, so he'll end up taking a lesser deal, and JWill takes a slight discount versus the full max he'll be eligible for.

[baseline bum]

My hot take would be that Presti won't offer two rookie max extensions and that one of Williams/Chet gets traded, even if they win a ring.
Williams is kind of too similar to SGA and hasn't shown he'd be worth the money. Presti always tries to be the smartest one in the room, I'm sure he'll try to fleece someone for Williams.

I don't think either of JDub/Holmgren will be supermax eligible, so if they're 25% max players I think Presti keeps them.

[baseline bum]

Yep. I think this is the model in OKC that Presti is trying to put in place... you have your core (SGA/Chet/Williams in OKCs case), now you just keep filling the pipeline with supporting talent and then flip it right before it gets expensive to refill the coffers with picks to keep loading up the talent pipeline.

Wemby/Castle/Harper can be that core for us, and then we just look to do the same (though we currently have less picks to do it with, though our picks are all very high quality due to the swaps attached).

And if you believe what Windhorst says about the way players talk about Wemby in the locker room after games you might get a decent flow of supporting vets wanting to come here on say MLE deals to keep reloading the roster.

[LeBowen]

I don't think either of JDub/Holmgren will be supermax eligible, so if they're 25% max players I think Presti keeps them.

That would still be 2x25% max deals and SGA's 35% supermax would kick in a year later.

[baseline bum]

That would still be 2x25% max deals and SGA's 35% supermax would kick in a year later.

I imagine they'll stay around the first apron. But they're also going to be helped by the 10% yearly rises to the cap over the next 8 years or so. So no situation like Phoenix with three 35% supermaxes on a stagnant cap that made those contracts take up a greater percentage of the cap every year. This era max contracts decline as a percentage of the cap due to the Bird raises being smaller then the yearly cap bump in addition to player raises being non compounded while cap rises are compounded. OKC will lose Caruso, they'll probably lose Dort, and no way they're going to be able to pay Hartenstein long term but I think they'll have little trouble keeping Holmgren and JDub together on 25% max deals and then Cason Wallace will slide to being their starter in Dort's place. Well unless Topic blows up.

[Mr. Body]

And if you believe what Windhorst says about the way players talk about Wemby in the locker room after games you might get a decent flow of supporting vets wanting to come here on say MLE deals to keep reloading the roster.

Brandon Sanderson novels are immensely popular in the NBA.

[Mugen]

Essengue tbh. Could end up being the perfect 4 next to Wemby in a few years if he adds muscle.

[spurraider21]

Essengue tbh. Could end up being the perfect 4 next to Wemby in a few years if he adds muscle.
of course the president of the Salaun fan club would want Essengue :lol

stop trying to make [insert french forward with upside] happen

[sfernald]

It's a dilemma, but never a bad one.

You don't pass on a player because he'll be too good.
Maybe OKC won't pay Williams, but they can get a lot for him and keep the roster going.

lol you guys are fucking crazy if you think Okc isn’t giving JDub the baby max. And I’m sure any other team in the league would as well. Hahahaha

[baseline bum]

Essengue tbh. Could end up being the perfect 4 next to Wemby in a few years if he adds muscle.

I think there isn't a lot of reason to chase upside over more certain fits after Harper. Because even if it hits the Spurs won't be able to pay him if they're paying Wemby/Castle/Harper.

[Mr. Body]

Fuck it. The one I really want is Derik Queen to drop.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fuck it. The one I really want is Derik Queen to drop.

I think both him and CMB will drop a lot after their recent showing. Truly horrible measurements for Queen and shooting for CMB.

Wouldn't want either anywhere near the Spurs roster.

[HankChinaski]

Fleming, C. Coward, Bryant, Sorber, who I think they should consider at 14 if they are there

[scottspurs]

If he stays in school he committed to Transfer to Duke.

Anyways all aboard the Cedric Coward Train! Pick 14 let’s goooooooo

[baseline bum]

Brandon Sanderson novels are immensely popular in the NBA.

Can't say I know who that is.

[baseline bum]

I think both him and CMB will drop a lot after their recent showing. Truly horrible measurements for Queen and shooting for CMB.

Wouldn't want either anywhere near the Spurs roster.

That was hard to watch CMB in the shooting drills.

[spurraider21]

cant spend our #14 on a buttershot

[LeBowen]

Who are the players we should be loking at in that range?

Asa Newell
Noa Essengue
Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
Thomas Sorber

I guess that's it?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Who are the players we should be loking at in that range?

Asa Newell
Noa Essengue
Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
Thomas Sorber

I guess that's it?

Coward is the new mystery box guy, who's in the mix.

[Mr. Body]

I think both him and CMB will drop a lot after their recent showing. Truly horrible measurements for Queen and shooting for CMB.

Wouldn't want either anywhere near the Spurs roster.

I don't care about measurements that much at all. We know Queen isn't a combine marvel. Who cares. I like how he plays basketball. In that range, he's nearly the only one with a true spark of upside rather than just sort of settling into a role.

[Mr. Body]

Can't say I know who that is.

The doorstop fantasy novelist Victor likes to read. The one Joker was making fun of him for reading before the All-Star game.

[Bruno]

Do you watch much of Noa Essengue in Europe? What are your thoughts?
If we are taking big swings at 14, seems like his profile would make sense.

I've watched few games of him. To me, it's all about his outside shot.
He has a nice combination of size, mobility, fluidity and feel for the game but if he can't hit a jump shot, I'm not sure what a skinny player like him will do offensively against NBA players.
It's a gamble, very young player with great tools but you had to fix his jump shot and there are still a lot of work on it to do.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I've watched few games of him. To me, it's all about his outside shot.
He has a nice combination of size, mobility, fluidity and feel for the game but if he can't hit a jump shot, I'm not sure what a skinny player like him will do offensively against NBA players.
It's a gamble, very young player with great tools but you had to fix his jump shot and there are still a lot of work on it to do.

Spurs have way too many shooting projects already. This team needs 6.8" 3 point shooters. I'll take a 3 guy w/ OK D over another Sochan.

[cd98]

Carter Bryant is the way to go. Just hope he doesn't play himself into the top of the lottery. Draft Harper, draft Carter, and throw Naz all the money we can and call it a summer with a team that will be damn good with a chance to compete and make a nice run in the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

Who are the players we should be loking at in that range?

Asa Newell
Noa Essengue
Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
Thomas Sorber

I guess that's it?
most if it yeah. coward has been gaining steam among media folk. i also think McNeeley is still a legit option. personally im low on Newell, and Essengue is another in a long line of buttershots

[Mugen]

of course the president of the Salaun fan club would want Essengue :lol

stop trying to make [insert french forward with upside] happen

One of these French tweeners are gonna hit and I'm going to be even more insufferable when it happens tbh.

[Mugen]

I think there isn't a lot of reason to chase upside over more certain fits after Harper. Because even if it hits the Spurs won't be able to pay him if they're paying Wemby/Castle/Harper.

I'm still taking swings late lottery tbh.

[Mnky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eYDmE49jJQ

Is Demin the missing piece at #14 to our 5 Guard Starting Line-up?(Including Wemby) :bobo


6'10 PG.

[RC_Drunkford]

we have to draft somebody with a decent 3-point shot at 14 unless it's a back up C like Sorber

[Mnky]

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Another developmental shooter that this board hates to see unfortunately.

[Mr. Body]

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Another developmental shooter that this board hates to see unfortunately.

I forgot about Demin.

Prepare the onslaught. I'm really focusing on Demin and Queen right now. I don't care that they are unfinished and not good shooters at this point. I'm going after feel and big upside at this point.

If there was an actual shooter at this range that I could trust, a Gradey Dick type, that'd be something, but right now there ain't no Dick.

[LeBowen]

I haven't seen much of most of these potential targets, but why do I have the feeling that there's more to choose from at #14 than there was at #8 last year?

[CorrectCrusader]

I haven't seen much of most of these potential targets, but why do I have the feeling that there's more to choose from at #14 than there was at #8 last year?

Yes, last draft was utter shit

[scott]

I haven't seen much of most of these potential targets, but why do I have the feeling that there's more to choose from at #14 than there was at #8 last year?

Yeah, I made a similar comment in another thread. I think Top 2 in the draft are miles ahead of all of last draft, but then I think Castle/Risacher/Sarr go 3, 4, 5 if you combined the two drafts. After that, I think the remaining top 10 in both drafts is about the same (which is meh), and then this draft shows it's stuff with a lot more depth. Our picks are in ranges where I like a lot of options. I would have hated having 8 or 9.

[Davidicus]

My favorites, so far:

- Fleming
- Bryant
- trade for Collins
- Essengue

But I just know ATL is going to take the best lengthy forward on the board right before us

[CGD]

I haven't seen much of most of these potential targets, but why do I have the feeling that there's more to choose from at #14 than there was at #8 last year?

I think the issue with this crop is that after picks 5-6, there are basically a lot of “14s.” So at 8 we felt crappy about having to take one of those guys, but at 14 that’s awesome.

[Mnky]

I forgot about Demin.

Prepare the onslaught. I'm really focusing on Demin and Queen right now. I don't care that they are unfinished and not good shooters at this point. I'm going after feel and big upside at this point.

If there was an actual shooter at this range that I could trust, a Gradey Dick type, that'd be something, but right now there ain't no Dick.

Actually think he'd be a great homerun attempt which is what I'd prefer if we don't have the perfect fit waiting for us.

He shot 27% but I think he's much better than that. His shot looks fluid when he's on and in rhythm. It looked better in the tournament one game and then he'd shoot 12% from 3 the next. I honestly believe his shot upside is good, he's just an inexperienced shooter at this age with being the primary ball handler most of his short ball life. Most primary ball handlers are very inexperienced at their 3 ball because the game just doesn't exist that far out at that point. I'm willing to gamble more on primary ball handlers who know the game and play the right way.

I like his mindset and interviews. Has enough selfishness to feel competitive but puts the team first.

[CGD]

1918741861071475069

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Another developmental shooter that this board hates to see unfortunately.

I’ve been circling back to this guy too, especially if Liam and Bryant are gone. I still don’t know what position he plays in the NBA, but the Spurs have been linked to his closest comp (Giddey) so there is that.

[sfernald]

My hot take would be that Presti won't offer two rookie max extensions and that one of Williams/Chet gets traded, even if they win a ring.
Williams is kind of too similar to SGA and hasn't shown he'd be worth the money. Presti always tries to be the smartest one in the room, I'm sure he'll try to fleece someone for Williams.

Honestly if I were Presti, whether they ring or not, I would trade SGA for Giannis. I don’t think you would have to add much of anything else. Williams is almost harden level being held back so I think he can pick up a lot of what SGA does in no time. Giannis/Willaims/Chet would be an insane core that might triple repeat.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't hate picking Demin here. I'd see him as a high upside guy coming off the bench. He'd provide insurance if we needed to move Harper or Castle in a couple years, or if one doesn't develop like we hope. Still, shooting has to be addressed.

[RC_Drunkford]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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[sfernald]

I think both him and CMB will drop a lot after their recent showing. Truly horrible measurements for Queen and shooting for CMB.

Wouldn't want either anywhere near the Spurs roster.

Have to wonder what the measures for Jokic would have been probably worse than Queen. Those type of things don’t mean much for that player type. Queen is all skill and smarts.

[sfernald]

Carter Bryant is the way to go. Just hope he doesn't play himself into the top of the lottery. Draft Harper, draft Carter, and throw Naz all the money we can and call it a summer with a team that will be damn good with a chance to compete and make a nice run in the playoffs.

Well one more thing, maybe they could sell that second round pick #38 for cash and put a couple thousand to upgrading the Spurs Talk server for us!

[Mnky]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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Yea, that doesn't make sense to research guards so you can trade the pick. I don't doubt this guy knows people, but I think he get's a little carried away with his takes. Click bait ish. The reality is that there's a high chance the spurs trade the # 14 pick with the roster right now. It has nothing to do with who they're working out for other teams. :lol

Throw enough crap out and eventually something sticks I guess.

[BackHome]

I am going back to wanting Wolf as he had pretty good measurements, shot the ball, and showed good enough foot speed that I think he could play PF when we need to go big or also play backup C.

Ht: 6’10 1/2 Barefoot
Wing: 7’2 1/4
Standing: 9’1

He came in 6th place among all players for set 3 shots and his agility score was 11.26. For reference regarding agility score Queen was 12.45, Ryan Kalkbrenner 12.27, and past Alex Sarr was at 11.43, and Salaun was 11.45. One thing that I really like about him is the kid is always hustling on offense or defense he looks like he is giving 100% and by the way he plays you can tell he has good court vision to go with good handles for a 7 footer. I also like that he really sets great picks he can really help Fox and Harper get clear lanes to basket.

[The Truth #6]

Working out guards?? Sounds like we're drafting a center at 14 then.

[Seventyniner]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

One possibility is that the Spurs might absolutely fall in love with a guard who they think will be available at #14 (and a steal at that spot), combined with not being all in Harper, making them more likely to deal the #2 pick. It's quite a stretch, just trying to think of something.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I love Queen if he's there.

These combine numbers are awesome, though: His lane agility time was 12.45 seconds, which was the third slowest in the past five years of the combine.
His maximum vertical jump was 28.0", which would have been the second lowest the previous year.

Screw the numbers. The dude knows how to play. If not Queen, trade it down the road for more assets. They (hopefully) won't have many rookie minutes for anybody other than Harper this year anyway. Would rather keep the cupboard stocked going forward.

[Guru of Nothing]

I was slowly warming up to the possibility of Queen at 8, not loving it but prepared to be wrong. Now at 14, and given his combine performance certainly in the realm of possibilities, it seems like a nice swing swing to take.

Disclosure: Not counting those expected to be long gone by the time pick 14 rolls around, there are probably a dozen guys I'd be happy to see selected. Can't see what direction the team sets in the upcoming offseason.

[sfernald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eYDmE49jJQ

Is Demin the missing piece at #14 to our 5 Guard Starting Line-up?(Including Wemby) :bobo


6'10 PG.

We’ve already got it: CP3 / Fox / Harper / Castle / Point Guard Sochan (running point)

[LeBowen]

How would having queen as Wemby's backup be any different from Collins? It would be a layup lane.
Sorber looks way better for what we need, tbh.

[Dverde]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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To show willingness to draft the best player available and get a team to trade up to your position. Draft tactics 101

[Mr. Body]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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Doesn't make sense unless they're dumping Harper.

[Uriel]

Carter Bryant is the guy most often cited by the mock drafts (including Givony) as the Spurs’ pick at 14. Carter Bryant is also #7 on timvp’s big board (all the guys ahead of him are likely to be gone by 14).

If the Spurs don’t trade the pick, Bryant seems to be the most likely pick at 14 right now.

[thOOdee]

Essengue/flemming/bryant
Queen/sorber/newell
demin/wolf
mcneely/clifford




in that order.

[scott]

Combine is a great opportunity for opposition scouting as well. These kids are going to get drafted by your opponents if you don't take them, use the opportunity to learn more about them.

Lots of them will also eventually be available via FA or trade... gotta build a book.

[cd98]

1918741861071475069

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Another developmental shooter that this board hates to see unfortunately.

I followed BYU quite a bit last season and I can say that drafting this guy scares me to death. Yes, there were times where he made some great passes, but he turned it over...badly, I don't think he could initially dribble against NBA competition, and while his shooting stroke looks good mechanically, he was a poor shooter all season. He had a few promising games in March Madness though.

[Russ]

Carter Bryant is the guy most often cited by the mock drafts (including Givony) as the Spurs’ pick at 14. Carter Bryant is also #7 on timvp’s big board (all the guys ahead of him are likely to be gone by 14).

If the Spurs don’t trade the pick, Bryant seems to be the most likely pick at 14 right now.

If you watch his highlights (and factor out that he only averaged 6.5 points) he looks like a potential difference-maker.

If he pans out, he's exactly the kind of player the Spurs need.

Size, athleticism, defense, 3 point shooting.

And he relies so much on athleticism and motor that you could see him getting meaningful minutes early as a "48 minutes of hell" guy (which makes his role at Arizona even more inexplicable).

Bottom line -- he may be that rare bird who is better as an NBA player than as a college player.

Hard to pass those guys up.

[CGD]

If you watch his highlights (and factor out that he only averaged 6.5 points) he looks like a potential difference-maker.

If he pans out, he's exactly the kind of player the Spurs need.

Size, athleticism, defense, 3 point shooting.

And he relies so much on athleticism and motor that you could see him getting meaningful minutes early as a "48 minutes of hell" guy (which makes his role at Arizona even more inexplicable).

Bottom line -- he may be that rare bird who is better as an NBA player than as a college player.

Hard to pass those guys up.

Problem is he’s getting levered up to the Top 10. Trending toward being out of reach at 14.

Time to turn to Coward.

[vy65]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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Or they’re packaging 14+something to move up?

[CGD]

Anyone tracking Spurs work outs?

[scottspurs]

Anyone tracking Spurs work outs?

Worked out/met with Spurs


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma

[Uriel]

Problem is he’s getting levered up to the Top 10. Trending toward being out of reach at 14.

Time to turn to Coward.
If he cracks the top 10, he may just be the next Patrick Williams.

[bevo]

Not much talk about Maxine Raynaud? Is he a possibility. I like Wolf as well.

[Knoxxx]

Not much talk about Maxine Raynaud? Is he a possibility. I like Wolf as well.

Wolfe is not out of the question at 14, that would be much too early for Raynaud.

[Mnky]

We’ve already got it: CP3 / Fox / Harper / Castle / Point Guard Sochan (running point)

You right, My Bad homie.

[Mnky]

I followed BYU quite a bit last season and I can say that drafting this guy scares me to death. Yes, there were times where he made some great passes, but he turned it over...badly, I don't think he could initially dribble against NBA competition, and while his shooting stroke looks good mechanically, he was a poor shooter all season. He had a few promising games in March Madness though.

The good thing is he is super young and likely would be a bench player going against the 7th or 8th best defender. He'd have time to grow even just in the g league. His flashes are what you'd be swinging for. If he ever made it to the big stage, with a team like the spurs, he'd hardly be the main ball handler and would always have the 5th best defender on the floor on him. Spurs would fit him pretty good if he really wants that type or development.

Agreed on him definitely being a potential bust guy though.

[Ditty]

Hopefully, a Western Conference team pulls a 2021 Spurs in the early teens, overthinks it, and reaches on a player who ends up becoming a pervert, which allows Queen to drop into our lap.

[Obstructed_View]

The good thing is he is super young and likely would be a bench player going against the 7th or 8th best defender. He'd have time to grow even just in the g league. His flashes are what you'd be swinging for. If he ever made it to the big stage, with a team like the spurs, he'd hardly be the main ball handler and would always have the 5th best defender on the floor on him. Spurs would fit him pretty good if he really wants that type or development.

Agreed on him definitely being a potential bust guy though.
The one thing the Spurs are not short of is a guy to bring up the ball. Drafting one just to have another Tre Jones makes little sense.

[T Park]

Id love for it to be Coward or Fleming.

However they're gonna trade the pick in a package or for future picks to package and it means nothing.

[Vienna]

one of the major points for the Castle-Harper duo will be positional versitility, right?
and to maximize that potential, you need role player, who are versatile as well, because it doesn't help much if your stars are versatile, but your role player are froozen at their position.
that would preference a 3/4 combo forward, right? or a 4/5 power player. yes, he should be able to shoot.
from the current draft board, Bryant once more looks best. on paper. (if he was an inch taller, he would be perfect, but he should be all right)
Essengue locks nice, but he lacks the shooting.
McNeeley is somehow interesting. could he play some 4? he has exactly the same physical profile like Gordon Hayward and Hayward did quite well in this role of a hybrid forward. so I wouldn't rule out McNeeley.
Coward ist intriguing, despite looking a bit to small for the role. but his physical profile is a copy of Kawhi's. sure you can play Coward at the 4 in small ball line ups. so Coward can play 2, 3 and some 4. he might be the most versatile player type of all the mentioned players.
of course you want to find a potential starter with the 14th pick. but if you end up with a quality bench guy, nothing wrong with that. Coward as a swiss army knife player from the bench (taking Keldon's spot) might be more useful in the long run.

[rascal]

McNeeley is the way to go with the 14th pick.

Spurstalk sleeping on McNeeley but the Spurs aren't.

[rascal]

McNeeley came in at 6'6 and three-quarters inches without shoes—equating to about 6'8 to 6'9 with shoes, the standard listed height for NBA players. This puts him taller than current pros like Jarace Walker, Justin Edwards, and Herb Jones, all of whom are slotted in as forwards for their teams. That extra height gives McNeeley new positional versatility and raises his ceiling as a prospect.

Positional versatility, what the spurs look for. More athletic than you'd think and a better shooter than his final stats indicate.

[mystargtr34]

McNeeley has a standing reach of 8’4 which is so short it seems like a measurement error. That’s the standing reach of Dearon Fox, and two inches shorter than Steph castle and Harper.

Unfortunately for McNeeley you don’t rebound, block shots or shoot with the top of your head. He must have really short arms and really long neck and head if he’s 6’7 with only 8’4 reach.

Anyway the dude can still play and shoot lights out. But his poor finishing rate at the rim is starting to make some sense.

[RC_Drunkford]

so with players like Raynaud shooting up boards into the early 20s and guys like Fleming and McNeeley possibly falling into the late first round, should we try to do a 2-for-1 trade? 14 for 2 picks in the 20s might make sense if players who are high on the Spurs' board are there.

[vy65]

so with players like Raynaud shooting up boards into the early 20s and guys like Fleming and McNeeley possibly falling into the late first round, should we try to do a 2-for-1 trade? 14 for 2 picks in the 20s might make sense if players who are high on the Spurs' board are there.

I’d love that. Or package 38 and several other future SRP to move up into the late first

[RC_Drunkford]

I’d love that. Or package 38 and several other future SRP to move up into the late first

Brooklyn has 19, 26 and 27. Should be an easy possibility.

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't rule moving down or even up, but we're not drafting three rookies, no chance.

[SpursFan86]

I know this guy is not credible at all, but why are we working out more guards? Then again, why would you work out players to trade them to other teams? :lol Spurs are probably just doing their due dilligence.

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Yeah I read that multiple times and still didn’t really understand the implication :lol I do agree the 14th pick is more likely than not to get moved but not sure what that has to do with the Spurs working out other guards.

[Vienna]

the Heat are somehow stuck in nowhere land.
are they going to rebuild, or just retool around Bam and Herro?
their 2025 pick goes to OKC, no 2nd rounder.
yes, they got the #20 pick from GSW, but overall they have got just 2 picks for this draft and next year.

I assume they are interested in acquiring some more picks. or at least move up.

so, what are their plans regarding Wiggins and would the Spurs look that way?

something like #14 plus Vassell for Wiggins? or #14, #38, 2026 2nd round pick and Vassell for #20 plus Wiggins?

Vassell and Wiggins make the same money. Vassell is 5 years younger, but has 2 more years on his contract.

I know, most people are not high on Wiggins and his NBA career will be called disapointing for a #1 pick, but with the current roster Wiggins would make more sense than Vassell. and he is the better overall player, can play some 4 and he is the much better defender.

edit: the Heat are a team that desperatly would need a PG. it migth make a huge difference between #14 and #20. one out of Jakucionis, Fears, Traore will fall to 14, but not to 20. best case at 20 would be Jase, but even that's not a given. I see Heat trying to get #14.

[CGD]

I wouldn't rule moving down or even up, but we're not drafting three rookies, no chance.

I don’t see 3, but def 2. I think this year they might actually need the bodies to put in the pipeline for after this year. Malaki, Wesley, Bassey are probably out next summer. Barnes is expiring (and tasty trade chip).

[CGD]

Yeah I read that multiple times and still didn’t really understand the implication :lol I do agree the 14th pick is more likely than not to get moved but not sure what that has to do with the Spurs working out other guards.

Meanwhile they just met with Sorber….

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn't rule moving down or even up, but we're not drafting three rookies, no chance.

we absolutely should though. There are plenty of good back up centers in the 2nd round. I‘d rather sign one vet as a back up and a rookie as a 3rd stringer instead of signing 2 vets. We need some new projects at the back of the roster while getting rid of Bassey and possibly Mamu and Branham.

[LeBowen]

we absolutely should though. There are plenty of good back up centers in the 2nd round. I‘d rather sign one vet as a back up and a rookie as a 3rd stringer instead of signing 2 vets. We need some new projects at the back of the roster while getting rid of Bassey and possibly Mamu and Branham.

I can see it happening only if SRP doesn't get a guaranteed contract.

[Russ]

Wolfe is not out of the question at 14, that would be much too early for Raynaud.

It's always fun to look at some of the crazier mocks.

USA Today has an outlier list of the top 14 with Raynaud at 13 and the Spurs taking Isaiah Elohim(?) at 14.

I kinda like Raynaud but 13 seems ridiculously high (and he seems like more of an offensive than defensive big as they suggest).

Yet they say:

13. Atlanta Hawks - Maxime Raynaud (F, Stanford)

"Raynaud is a mobile big man with shot-blocking ability. Atlanta needs rim protection, and Raynaud provides that."

14. San Antonio Spurs - Isaiah Elohim (G, USC)

"Elohim is a scoring guard with playmaking ability. San Antonio needs backcourt depth, and Elohim fits their system."

I'm not sure the Spurs are going to need backcourt depth by the time they use that 14th pick. I certainly hope (and trust) they're wrong about who the Spurs would take at that point.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2025/05/13/2025-nba-mock-draft-ai-predictions-lottery/83600396007/

[exstatic]

I'd rather get out of Vassell's money

The problem with that is that the pick price to absorb that goes up. Spurs planned this out, knowing that at least more high draft pick would hit after Wemby. Vassell’s deal ends right when Harper’s extension would kick in.

[exstatic]

Id love for it to be Coward or Fleming.

However they're gonna trade the pick in a package or for future picks to package and it means nothing.
Hopefully,if they do, it will be an asset for 2029, the only year we don’t have a nonnative pick or swap.

[Eaglenole2002]

I’m finding it hard to get excited about pick 14 because in my head it’s already traded for a vet or future assets.

[Davidicus]

I’m finding it hard to get excited about pick 14 because in my head it’s already traded for a vet or future assets.

Between Fleming, Bryant, Essengue, Sorber, and Coward, there’s gotta be at least 1 of them available at 14. That’s good value for us.

[poopbox]

Take the best center and that is our backup big.

Trade it in a package for a backup center. Not ideal but that is one way to get one.

Victor doesn't play 48 minutes and this team get's annihilated on the boards soon as he sits down. Annihilated period. Need a real big who can at least not embarrass himself defensively and rebound when Victor is on the bench.

[Extra Stout]

“San Antonio needs backcourt depth.”

Fox, Castle, Harper, Vassell.

Spurs aren’t spending a lottery pick on a third-stringer.

Article deadline was due, cranked it out without digging deep into team needs.

Spurs will have a short list of 3&D forwards and good defensive centers worth taking. If they’re all gone before 14, or if a trade deal grades out better than whoever is left, then they’ll deal the pick.

[ulosturedge]

Between Fleming, Bryant, Essengue, Sorber, and Coward, there’s gotta be at least 1 of them available at 14. That’s good value for us.

There is a world where Queen drops because his Combine Stats were terrible from what I hear. Has Asa Newell fallen off that far that he shouldn't be considered?

I'd want Fleming but i'm think he's gone along with Bryant before our pick. There is also a possibility that a BPA falls to us that will attract other teams in which maybe we trade down out of the spot and take what the Spurs believe are the latter tiered PF/C's or tall SF.

[Russ]

Between Fleming, Bryant, Essengue, Sorber, and Coward, there’s gotta be at least 1 of them available at 14. That’s good value for us.

Not a bad list.

But I doubt the Spurs would take someone as old as Fleming (21) or Coward (22) with a lottery pick.

[baseline bum]

The problem with that is that the pick price to absorb that goes up. Spurs planned this out, knowing that at least more high draft pick would hit after Wemby. Vassell’s deal ends right when Harper’s extension would kick in.

IDK I still think Vassell might have more trade value than Keldon because of the numbers he put up in 23-24.

[mo7888]

The only way I take a C at #14 is if Malauch, Sorber, or maybe Queen drop. I gwt my C at #38 or the FA market.

[mo7888]

IDK I still think Vassell might have more trade value than Keldon because of the numbers he put up in 23-24.

I actually think Keldon and Devin have positive value around the league. We over exaggerate their flaws here. I think most teams that would acquire them would sell it to their fanbase as a win or at least a significant asset.

[Knoxxx]

It's always fun to look at some of the crazier mocks.

USA Today has an outlier list of the top 14 with Raynaud at 13 and the Spurs taking Isaiah Elohim(?) at 14.

I kinda like Raynaud but 13 seems ridiculously high (and he seems like more of an offensive than defensive big as they suggest).

Yet they say:

13. Atlanta Hawks - Maxime Raynaud (F, Stanford)

"Raynaud is a mobile big man with shot-blocking ability. Atlanta needs rim protection, and Raynaud provides that."

14. San Antonio Spurs - Isaiah Elohim (G, USC)

"Elohim is a scoring guard with playmaking ability. San Antonio needs backcourt depth, and Elohim fits their system."

I'm not sure the Spurs are going to need backcourt depth by the time they use that 14th pick. I certainly hope (and trust) they're wrong about who the Spurs would take at that point.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2025/05/13/2025-nba-mock-draft-ai-predictions-lottery/83600396007/

Some of these idiots writing these articles are even stupider than me which is really bad.

[Knoxxx]

I actually think Keldon and Devin have positive value around the league. We over exaggerate their flaws here. I think most teams that would acquire them would sell it to their fanbase as a win or at least a significant asset.

This is very true because we see the losses along with every mistake they make and focus on that.

When other team's players miss a shot or some other typical miscue, I don't tend to remember that. I remember the shots they hit on us and good plays they made more.

Sometimes listening to the other team's announcers, they feel Vassell is a very deadly shooter and skilled wing, and Keldon Johnson they get pretty impressed at times with what a bull he can be when he is attacking the lane successfully.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some of these idiots writing these articles are even stupider than me which is really bad.

It's probably AI.

[Knoxxx]

IDK I still think Vassell might have more trade value than Keldon because of the numbers he put up in 23-24.

I like Keldon better because of his relentless rim attacking off the bench. Sure he gets in stretches where he fumbles and gets stripped and we gnash our teeth, but I still think that is a more consistently reliable skill.

Vs. Vassell, who is a wildly inconsistent shooter known mainly for shooting.

I still have hope that both players are capable of shooting better (mainly 3 PT) for us once the overall team improves (and given the fact they are like 5th and 6th options at best), similar to D White going to BOS (except in this case hoping they show the improvement if still with us).

[cd98]

Keldon is a glue guy for the team. That is important. Vassell has the makings to be a good player on this team if he can fix his shot selection. He looks like the best catch and shoot player on the team, which is important for a team that could have 3 ballhandlers and 2 secondary playmakers.

[baseline bum]

Not a bad list.

But I doubt the Spurs would take someone as old as Fleming (21) or Coward (22) with a lottery pick.

You don't think they might try to play it safe knowing they won't be able to pay a star anyways assuming the money Wemby, Fox, Castle, and likely Harper will command? I just want a forward who can shoot if I'm drafting at 14.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm intrigued by Danny Wolf, but would not select him with the 14; however, I would be interested in trade-back scenarios if we could drop back from 14 into the 20s and receive a future 1st or swap - if possible. Here Danny Wolf would have a lot of appeal - a big body 7-footer (well, 6' 10.5" without shoes, 7' 2.25" wingspan = meets expectations) with exceptional passing skills and can function at any position on the floor. If I have to guess, he'll become an average 3-point shooter capable of average volume. Probably destined to be a solid role player, there's just a whiff of unicorn to his game that attracts me.

[baseline bum]

Keldon is a glue guy for the team. That is important. Vassell has the makings to be a good player on this team if he can fix his shot selection. He looks like the best catch and shoot player on the team, which is important for a team that could have 3 ballhandlers and 2 secondary playmakers.

What are his numbers like on catch and shoot? I don't really know but I don't remember him being specifically good on those shots and his three ball is just a hair above league average. He can't be a primary scorer and burning shot clock in isolations on a team with this much talent and he just doesn't seem the assassin Unc is firing that three ball up immediately off the catch.

[Knoxxx]

Between Fleming, Bryant, Essengue, Sorber, and Coward, there’s gotta be at least 1 of them available at 14. That’s good value for us.

We need frontcourt size so badly, I like this 14-pick which seems to have a number of interesting options. Plus I think it is possible that this year's 14 is better than last year's eight. I'm not entirely buying that 2025 went from the best draft ever, vis a vis the 2024 draft, to suddenly a weak draft. That sounds overly pessimistic, these are still the same players as they were last year, even if some did not have as good a season as hoped.

Also as far as getting a frontcourt player at 14, think how simple of a role they will have, for example if on the floor with Fox/Castle/Harper/Wemby? Yes I know, queue the lambasting me for considering the 14 pick anything but a long term project who barely plays with the starters.

[cd98]

What are his numbers like on catch and shoot? I don't really know but I don't remember him being specifically good on those shots and his three ball is just a hair above league average. He can't be a primary scorer and burning shot clock in isolations on a team with this much talent and he just doesn't seem the assassin Unc is firing that three ball up immediately off the catch.

I don't have the stats, but from watching the games, he seemed like the most reliable catch and shoot player of the ones we had on the team. I agree there was a time when the Spurs wanted him to be a playmaker and scorer, but that role would change significantly if Harper is drafted. We badly need an elite shot maker. I was hoping for Kon, but that was before we got the number 2 pick and we can't pass on Harper.

[baseline bum]

I don't have the stats, but from watching the games, he seemed like the most reliable catch and shoot player of the ones we had on the team. I agree there was a time when the Spurs wanted him to be a playmaker and scorer, but that role would change significantly if Harper is drafted. We badly need an elite shot maker. I was hoping for Kon, but that was before we got the number 2 pick and we can't pass on Harper.

From watching the games it didn't seem that way to me, but I'd love to be shown wrong if anyone has subs to the sites that track these kind of stats. Barnes seemed like the catch and shoot assassin, which is why I really don't want to trade him this summer.

[Mnky]

The one thing the Spurs are not short of is a guy to bring up the ball. Drafting one just to have another Tre Jones makes little sense.

Makes little sense to compare him to tre Jones.

And the Spurs are absolutely short on guys who can bring up the ball, so much so that Wemby spent half a season with Sochan doing it.

Kid is 6'10 and can do everything. Makes plenty of sense to swing for the fences on those types. Although the way the draft is looking, spurs will likely have better prospects available.

[exstatic]

From watching the games it didn't seem that way to me, but I'd love to be shown wrong if anyone has subs to the sites that track these kind of stats. Barnes seemed like the catch and shoot assassin, which is why I really don't want to trade him this summer.

In 2021-2022, Keldon shot .398 from 3 on 5.3 attempts, and 97% of them were assisted. If they hadn’t tried to turn him into a 3 level off the bounce scorer, you wouldn’t be asking about his catch and shoot abilities.

[Bruno]

To me, the landscape for pick #14 is the following:

8 players (Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe, Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach) won't be there at #14.

For the 5 other players picked before #14, it will depend on each team own evaluation and need. Players like Derik Queen, CMB, Demin, Danny Wolf or Jace Richardson don't really fit into a traditional NBA player mold. Players like Essengue, Carter Bryant, Will Riley or Beringer are very raw prospects. All these players will be valued very differently by each team.

There are just tons of options at #14 whether it's to be picked by Spurs or used in a draft day trade.

[Bruno]

the Heat are somehow stuck in nowhere land.
are they going to rebuild, or just retool around Bam and Herro?
their 2025 pick goes to OKC, no 2nd rounder.
yes, they got the #20 pick from GSW, but overall they have got just 2 picks for this draft and next year.

I assume they are interested in acquiring some more picks. or at least move up.

so, what are their plans regarding Wiggins and would the Spurs look that way?

something like #14 plus Vassell for Wiggins? or #14, #38, 2026 2nd round pick and Vassell for #20 plus Wiggins?

Vassell and Wiggins make the same money. Vassell is 5 years younger, but has 2 more years on his contract.

I know, most people are not high on Wiggins and his NBA career will be called disapointing for a #1 pick, but with the current roster Wiggins would make more sense than Vassell. and he is the better overall player, can play some 4 and he is the much better defender.

edit: the Heat are a team that desperatly would need a PG. it migth make a huge difference between #14 and #20. one out of Jakucionis, Fears, Traore will fall to 14, but not to 20. best case at 20 would be Jase, but even that's not a given. I see Heat trying to get #14.

Wiggins intrigues me too as a good option for Spurs. Heat might be interested in a trade around Barnes for Wiggins. They are said to be looking at having cap space for the 2026 summer.

Saying that, I'm not ready to give up as much as you for Wiggins. Trading #14 for him without getting at least #20 is a no go to me.

[Obstructed_View]

Makes little sense to compare him to tre Jones.

And the Spurs are absolutely short on guys who can bring up the ball, so much so that Wemby spent half a season with Sochan doing it.

Kid is 6'10 and can do everything. Makes plenty of sense to swing for the fences on those types. Although the way the draft is looking, spurs will likely have better prospects available.
And Sochan successfully brought up the ball. And the Spurs added three guys since that time and are about to draft a fourth.

EDIT: wait wait wait. Why did I think we were talking about a backup point guard? I think I had a brain shart.

[Mr. Body]

The #14 pick isn't the most expensive in the world, but comes with a decent guaranteed price tag. The Spurs are in good financial shape, but that can change quickly, and I'm sure they bear this in mind.

I'm sure they'll have a player or two in mind. If they don't see them available, they'll get out of the spot, either trading down the road or trading back.

Also the reason why we'll see Branham and Wesley still around next year. They're under contract and fine enough as third string guys, with Blake good enough to fill-in in a pinch.

[BatManu20]

Still think the 14th Pick will be moved unless somehow they really like and have valued much higher falls . Not against brining in 2 Rookies if it's the right ones, but I think PATFO might be more interested in giving themselves more future flexibility. Also curious to see how much Fleming moves up Draft Boards after the Combine.

[BatManu20]

The only way I take a C at #14 is if Malauch, Sorber, or maybe Queen drop. I gwt my C at #38 or the FA market.

Seconded. And I doubt any of those 3 guys are available at 14. That's why I think 14 ultimately gets moved.

[Mnky]

And Sochan successfully brought up the ball. And the Spurs added three guys since that time and are about to draft a fourth.

EDIT: wait wait wait. Why did I think we were talking about a backup point guard? I think I had a brain shart.

There's a lot of active threads going on. Hard to keep up with the excitement tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[Guru of Nothing]

OKC picks at #15. Will be interesting to look back at this in a year or two.

[SpursFan86]

I’m still trying to avoid getting too excited about any of these guys because I think it’s very likely we don’t keep this pick if we go with Harper at 2…but:

1) Bryant
2) Sorber

(tier break)

3) McNeeley
4) Fleming

That’s how I’d rank the 4 main guys that could be available at 14 and fit our needs.

[Mr. Body]

I think Maluach and Sorber may go top 12, but Queen may go around that realm, too. It'll be interesting. I do think it's hard using the 14 for a probable full-time backup.

[Mnky]

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[RC_Drunkford]

I’m still trying to avoid getting too excited about any of these guys because I think it’s very likely we don’t keep this pick if we go with Harper at 2…but:

1) Bryant
2) Sorber

(tier break)

3) McNeeley
4) Fleming

That’s how I’d rank the 4 main guys that could be available at 14 and fit our needs.

I'd add Cedric Coward to that list. Would also be interested in Lendeborg who would probably be available in the low 20s. I wouldn't even mind taking a gamble on Demin. There are plenty of wings available, so I really hope we draft one and don't trade the pick.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/bijan_todd/status/1922344054378950773

[spurraider21]

I’m still trying to avoid getting too excited about any of these guys because I think it’s very likely we don’t keep this pick if we go with Harper at 2…but:

1) Bryant
2) Sorber

(tier break)

3) McNeeley
4) Fleming

That’s how I’d rank the 4 main guys that could be available at 14 and fit our needs.
those are probably my top 4 as well just different order

they hype around coward seems intense but i literally hadnt heard of him until the combine so im not prepared to really comment on him at all

[CGD]

It's always fun to look at some of the crazier mocks.

USA Today has an outlier list of the top 14 with Raynaud at 13 and the Spurs taking Isaiah Elohim(?) at 14.

I kinda like Raynaud but 13 seems ridiculously high (and he seems like more of an offensive than defensive big as they suggest).

Yet they say:

13. Atlanta Hawks - Maxime Raynaud (F, Stanford)

"Raynaud is a mobile big man with shot-blocking ability. Atlanta needs rim protection, and Raynaud provides that."

14. San Antonio Spurs - Isaiah Elohim (G, USC)

"Elohim is a scoring guard with playmaking ability. San Antonio needs backcourt depth, and Elohim fits their system."

I'm not sure the Spurs are going to need backcourt depth by the time they use that 14th pick. I certainly hope (and trust) they're wrong about who the Spurs would take at that point.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2025/05/13/2025-nba-mock-draft-ai-predictions-lottery/83600396007/

Re-read the article…. It says they had AI do this mock draft.

[scott]

Re-read the article…. It says they had AI do this mock draft.

I asked Chat GPT to do a mock draft for me, and this Elohim kid is now going #7, except now he goes to Arkansas. Is he even a real person?

Also, ChatGPT has a bunch of guys from last year being drafted this year. AI isn't taking our jobs quite yet.



Dallas Mavericks – Cooper Flagg (F, Duke)
A versatile forward with elite athleticism and a high basketball IQ, Flagg is poised to be a franchise cornerstone for Dallas.

San Antonio Spurs – Dylan Harper (G, Rutgers)
A dynamic guard known for his scoring and playmaking abilities, Harper averaged 19.4 points per game and is expected to make an immediate impact.

Philadelphia 76ers – Ace Bailey (F, Rutgers)
Despite a challenging season, Bailey's potential as a two-way player keeps him in the top tier.

Utah Jazz – VJ Edgecombe (G/F, Baylor)
A high-energy wing with defensive prowess and athleticism, Edgecombe offers versatility on both ends of the floor.

Charlotte Hornets – Khaman Maluach (C, NBA Academy Africa)
A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan, Maluach brings rim protection and rebounding, addressing Charlotte's interior needs.

Washington Wizards – Carter Bryant (F, Arizona)
An athletic forward with scoring upside, Bryant's performance at Arizona has elevated his draft stock.

Houston Rockets – Isaiah Elohim (G, Arkansas)
A strong, athletic guard known for his defensive tenacity and slashing ability, Elohim fits well with Houston's young core.

Detroit Pistons – Ron Holland (F, G League Ignite)
A high-motor forward who excels in transition and defense, Holland adds energy and versatility to Detroit's lineup.

Orlando Magic – Matas Buzelis (F, G League Ignite)
A skilled forward with shooting range and playmaking skills, Buzelis complements Orlando's roster with his offensive versatility.

Toronto Raptors – Justin Edwards (G/F, Kentucky)
A smooth-scoring wing with a polished offensive game, Edwards provides Toronto with a reliable perimeter threat.

Portland Trail Blazers – Jeremiah Fears (G, Oklahoma)
A dynamic guard with scoring and playmaking abilities, Fears adds depth to Portland's backcourt.

Chicago Bulls – Asa Newell (F, Georgia)
A versatile forward with size and skill, Newell offers Chicago a promising frontcourt option.

Atlanta Hawks (from Sacramento) – Noa Essengue (F, Ratiopharm Ulm)
An international prospect with athleticism and defensive potential, Essengue brings energy to Atlanta's rotation.

San Antonio Spurs (from Atlanta) – Liam McNeeley (F, UConn)
A high-IQ forward with shooting ability, McNeeley fits well into San Antonio's system.

This mock draft reflects current projections and team needs, but with the draft approaching on June 25-26, player evaluations and team strategies may lead to changes.

[Atl Spur]

Egor at 14 works for me:) we need + positional sized, smart , competitive , talented players that can pressure the defense!

[scott]

Isaiah Elohim averaged 2.1 ppg for USC this year :lol

Is he also LeBron's son?

[CGD]

^ that AI list is hilarious

[CGD]

I’m still trying to avoid getting too excited about any of these guys because I think it’s very likely we don’t keep this pick if we go with Harper at 2…but:

1) Bryant
2) Sorber

(tier break)

3) McNeeley
4) Fleming

That’s how I’d rank the 4 main guys that could be available at 14 and fit our needs.

Co-signed

[Mugen]

Essengue all the way, viva la France tbh.

[Guru of Nothing]

If we drafted Essengue with 14, what are the range of possibilities with regards to him playing another year in Europe vs joining Spurs/G-League right away? How does this sort of situation typically unfold?

[spurraider21]

Essengue all the way, viva la France tbh.
https://i.gyazo.com/5cf52d5d5bd29cf6802571104ff0a97c.png

[Mr. Body]

I asked Chat GPT to do a mock draft for me, and this Elohim kid is now going #7, except now he goes to Arkansas. Is he even a real person?

Also, ChatGPT has a bunch of guys from last year being drafted this year. AI isn't taking our jobs quite yet.



Dallas Mavericks – Cooper Flagg (F, Duke)
A versatile forward with elite athleticism and a high basketball IQ, Flagg is poised to be a franchise cornerstone for Dallas.

San Antonio Spurs – Dylan Harper (G, Rutgers)
A dynamic guard known for his scoring and playmaking abilities, Harper averaged 19.4 points per game and is expected to make an immediate impact.

Philadelphia 76ers – Ace Bailey (F, Rutgers)
Despite a challenging season, Bailey's potential as a two-way player keeps him in the top tier.

Utah Jazz – VJ Edgecombe (G/F, Baylor)
A high-energy wing with defensive prowess and athleticism, Edgecombe offers versatility on both ends of the floor.

Charlotte Hornets – Khaman Maluach (C, NBA Academy Africa)
A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan, Maluach brings rim protection and rebounding, addressing Charlotte's interior needs.

Washington Wizards – Carter Bryant (F, Arizona)
An athletic forward with scoring upside, Bryant's performance at Arizona has elevated his draft stock.

Houston Rockets – Isaiah Elohim (G, Arkansas)
A strong, athletic guard known for his defensive tenacity and slashing ability, Elohim fits well with Houston's young core.

Detroit Pistons – Ron Holland (F, G League Ignite)
A high-motor forward who excels in transition and defense, Holland adds energy and versatility to Detroit's lineup.

Orlando Magic – Matas Buzelis (F, G League Ignite)
A skilled forward with shooting range and playmaking skills, Buzelis complements Orlando's roster with his offensive versatility.

Toronto Raptors – Justin Edwards (G/F, Kentucky)
A smooth-scoring wing with a polished offensive game, Edwards provides Toronto with a reliable perimeter threat.

Portland Trail Blazers – Jeremiah Fears (G, Oklahoma)
A dynamic guard with scoring and playmaking abilities, Fears adds depth to Portland's backcourt.

Chicago Bulls – Asa Newell (F, Georgia)
A versatile forward with size and skill, Newell offers Chicago a promising frontcourt option.

Atlanta Hawks (from Sacramento) – Noa Essengue (F, Ratiopharm Ulm)
An international prospect with athleticism and defensive potential, Essengue brings energy to Atlanta's rotation.

San Antonio Spurs (from Atlanta) – Liam McNeeley (F, UConn)
A high-IQ forward with shooting ability, McNeeley fits well into San Antonio's system.

This mock draft reflects current projections and team needs, but with the draft approaching on June 25-26, player evaluations and team strategies may lead to changes.

"Elohim saw limited playing time in his lone season at USC. He averaged just 5.7 minutes and 2.1 minutes per contest. Elohim did not appear in a game after February 11."

Man, our AI future is sure looking bright!

[exstatic]

I asked Chat GPT to do a mock draft for me, and this Elohim kid is now going #7, except now he goes to Arkansas. Is he even a real person?

Also, ChatGPT has a bunch of guys from last year being drafted this year. AI isn't taking our jobs quite yet.



Dallas Mavericks – Cooper Flagg (F, Duke)
A versatile forward with elite athleticism and a high basketball IQ, Flagg is poised to be a franchise cornerstone for Dallas.

San Antonio Spurs – Dylan Harper (G, Rutgers)
A dynamic guard known for his scoring and playmaking abilities, Harper averaged 19.4 points per game and is expected to make an immediate impact.

Philadelphia 76ers – Ace Bailey (F, Rutgers)
Despite a challenging season, Bailey's potential as a two-way player keeps him in the top tier.

Utah Jazz – VJ Edgecombe (G/F, Baylor)
A high-energy wing with defensive prowess and athleticism, Edgecombe offers versatility on both ends of the floor.

Charlotte Hornets – Khaman Maluach (C, NBA Academy Africa)
A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan, Maluach brings rim protection and rebounding, addressing Charlotte's interior needs.

Washington Wizards – Carter Bryant (F, Arizona)
An athletic forward with scoring upside, Bryant's performance at Arizona has elevated his draft stock.

Houston Rockets – Isaiah Elohim (G, Arkansas)
A strong, athletic guard known for his defensive tenacity and slashing ability, Elohim fits well with Houston's young core.

Detroit Pistons – Ron Holland (F, G League Ignite)
A high-motor forward who excels in transition and defense, Holland adds energy and versatility to Detroit's lineup.

Orlando Magic – Matas Buzelis (F, G League Ignite)
A skilled forward with shooting range and playmaking skills, Buzelis complements Orlando's roster with his offensive versatility.

Toronto Raptors – Justin Edwards (G/F, Kentucky)
A smooth-scoring wing with a polished offensive game, Edwards provides Toronto with a reliable perimeter threat.

Portland Trail Blazers – Jeremiah Fears (G, Oklahoma)
A dynamic guard with scoring and playmaking abilities, Fears adds depth to Portland's backcourt.

Chicago Bulls – Asa Newell (F, Georgia)
A versatile forward with size and skill, Newell offers Chicago a promising frontcourt option.

Atlanta Hawks (from Sacramento) – Noa Essengue (F, Ratiopharm Ulm)
An international prospect with athleticism and defensive potential, Essengue brings energy to Atlanta's rotation.

San Antonio Spurs (from Atlanta) – Liam McNeeley (F, UConn)
A high-IQ forward with shooting ability, McNeeley fits well into San Antonio's system.

This mock draft reflects current projections and team needs, but with the draft approaching on June 25-26, player evaluations and team strategies may lead to changes.

Uh,there are players from last year mixed in, Holland and Buzelis.

[Mr. Body]

Uh,there are players from last year mixed in, Holland and Buzelis.

Yeah and it just vaporized a small lake of water running the Ai function. This stuff is awesome.

[LeBowen]

It depends on the final scouting report.
I'm sure there will be players Spurs would want with #14, but if none of them is available, the pick probably gets traded.

Top4 is probably known, can't see VJ or Bailey dropping.
#5, #6, #8 will also be BPA picks, bad teams.
I don't think Pelicans at #7 will consider wings, they have enough of those. Probably hoping Fears is available.
Same goes for #9 Raptors. Either a PG or a big.
Rockets are an unknown because #10 probably gets traded.
Blazers have no pressing needs, but lack high end talent, should be BPA.
Bulls and Hawks both need rim protection, especially the Bulls. I guess Maluach and Sorber won't drop past them.

Even though Sorber looks like an interesting player, I'd rather have a wing. Luckily Pelicans, Raptors, Hawks and Rockets (if they keep their pick) probably won't be looking at role player wings we're hoping to get.
Then it's down to who impresses the most in workouts and if it's the pick worth making.

Some will say using a lottery pick on a limited role player isn't worth it, but we went through all the wing options in multiple topics and 3-D wings are really difficult to come by.
If we can get ourselves a let's say McDaniels or Dort with the #14 pick we do it, no questions asked.

[PopTheGOAT]

https://youtu.be/szgWwOkkfSc?si=kq7KnWNreQ4Kn7-Z

This guy looked at some mock trades with the Spurs acquiring KD. Sochan, Barnes, Keldon, and #14 was one of the suggestions. I think I’d pull the trigger on that one. Depth would be a huge question mark but man that starting 5 would be nasty.

It will be interesting to see the package Phoenix gets for KD. I don’t see any way he isn’t moved.

[scott]

Uh,there are players from last year mixed in, Holland and Buzelis.

Wow, it's almost like I said that when I posted it.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://youtu.be/qt6sEfFYB8M?si=XfflcGLFljTEnDXv

The loyalty comments struck me as Spurs-ian.

[exstatic]

Wow, it's almost like I said that when I posted it.

I skipped straight to ChatGPT’s scintillating content.

[LeBowen]

The loyalty comments struck me as Spurs-ian.

Klutch t-shirt?
Time for Rich Paul to do his thing and get this kid to the Spurs.
Anunoby and McDaniels comparisons are just what we need.

[Mugen]

https://i.gyazo.com/5cf52d5d5bd29cf6802571104ff0a97c.png

Salaun was always a 2-3 year project. Essengue is farther along tbh, probably only a year in Austin before he's part of the rotation next season.

[DPG21920]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

[Obstructed_View]

There's a lot of active threads going on. Hard to keep up with the excitement tbh.

Yeah, Egor Demin, who said he is a point guard, but isn't. I got it mixed up. Sign me up for his size for sure. If he can pass, it's a bonus, but all the more reason to look at him that he will never be the guy running the offense.

[scott]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

I do this in the quickest of heartbeats. I'd even throw in 38 if needed.

And if we can do this before the draft, I'd even still be open to trading #8 like we did last year for future picks.

[dn0774]

Getting Devin off the books at this juncture would be a win all by itself.

[DPG21920]

I do this in the quickest of heartbeats. I'd even throw in 38 if needed.

And if we can do this before the draft, I'd even still be open to trading #8 like we did last year for future picks.

Yup - but getting to 8 opens up so much for spurs. I dont even mind having a logjam with Fox/Castle/Harper and Dev….I mind the money for Dev in the situation. So if we can get Tre or Kon with 8 (or use 8 now + a future first to get a guy we want) but now instead of that guy making 27M hes on a rookie deal? Fine by me. Get the talent.

Or like you said, now you’ve cleared your books and logjam and have a better asset (pick 8) to trade for better future value.

[scott]

Yup - but getting to 8 opens up so much for spurs. I dont even mind having a logjam with Fox/Castle/Harper and Dev….I mind the money for Dev in the situation. So if we can get Tre or Kon with 8 (or use 8 now + a future first to get a guy we want) but now instead of that guy making 27M hes on a rookie deal? Fine by me. Get the talent.

Or like you said, now you’ve cleared your books and logjam and have a better asset (pick 8) to trade for better future value.

Only problem I see with this proposal is that I have a hard time imagining that BKN would want to pass on 8 for 14 when they already have 3 other picks at the end of the draft. They'd have to really like Devin. Maybe they do...

On the other hand I kind of feel better about picking at 14 than I do at 8 so maybe the Nets would feel the same. Fun hypothetical to think about.

[SpursFan86]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome :lol

[PopTheGOAT]

I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome :lol
His salary is bad considering the role he’d have to play to fit into the rotation and team goals. I’d guess he’s gone but there is a world where he accepts his “demotion” and thrives in it.

[DPG21920]

I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome :lol

I like Devin and I have no issue with his contract overall. But in a situation where SA has Fox, Castle and now keeps pick 2 and gets Harper? That’s definitely pushing Dev down the minutes list and at his money it makes no sense for Spurs in a reduced role unfortunately

But hes a good enough player on a good deal where he should have + value. If Im BKY and you have tons of cap space and all it costs to get a solid young player on a good deal when you need to spend money to reach a salary floor anyways is moving back 6 spots in a deep draft where you likely get a good player you like on a cheaper rookie deal (pick 14 vs 8)? I think it can make some sense.

Or swapping Dev for Cam Johnson.

[LeBowen]

Or swapping Dev for Cam Johnson.

Cam Johnson isn't what we need.
We need strong forwards who can rebound.
Yes, he's a great shooter, but Champagnie is like 70% of Cam Johnson and he's making 7x less money.

Cam Johnson is a finishing touch player you acquire to get over the hump. He wouldn't make this roster functional on defense.
We can't get another 6'8 player who's best rebounding season was at 4.4rpg.

[DPG21920]

Cam Johnson isn't what we need.
We need strong forwards who can rebound.
Yes, he's a great shooter, but Champagnie is like 70% of Cam Johnson and he's making 7x less money.

Cam Johnson is a finishing touch player you acquire to get over the hump. He wouldn't make this roster functional on defense.
We can't get another 6'8 player who's best rebounding season was at 4.4rpg.

He’s making the same as Devin is the point but has bigger size and shooting

[LeBowen]

He’s making the same as Devin is the point but has bigger size and shooting

Actually, he's making $7M less than Devin next season.
He's taller, but doesn't play bigger. Near-identical rebound averages to Devin's.
If we're going to swap Devin with a player earning the same amount next season, it should be John Collins. But Ainge wouldn't do it.

[scott]

If we're talking about just a straight swap of Devin for Cam... I'm doing that as well.

Cam has one less year on his deal and makes about $5MM/yr less.

Cam isn't the forward we need to pair with a 3-guard lineup, but he fits just fine as a 3 if Fox/Castle/Harper are going to be a three guard rotation.

I kind of view Cam as a slightly better, slightly younger version of Barnes... and Barnes is quite useful.

Since Devin, if he stays on the team, is likely destined to play out of position as a SF for us... I'd rather have a real SF.

With that said, I'd rather explore opportunities with an archetype of forward with a little more size and strength... but honestly they are kind of hard to come by. There aren't a lot of Naz/Santi/Lauri/Jollins types out there. I might be more interested in Cam's teammate, Noah Clowney, but I don't know that BKN is quite ready to give him up.

Edit: Cam actually has two fewer years on his deal than Devin. Even better.

[keithington1]

Spurs taking Raynaud at 14. Deal with it

[spurraider21]

Brooklyn is in a very nice position this offseason. they have 56 mil in cap space, 30mil more than the next team. they are positioned to make the same types of trades the spurs have in recent years... selling cap space for assets. i dont know if they are going to want to give half of that space to vassell while also losing draft capital

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/qt6sEfFYB8M?si=XfflcGLFljTEnDXv

The loyalty comments struck me as Spurs-ian.

Great interview. I like the down to earth demeanor, and his desired player comps are spot on for what we need.

[Mr. Body]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

I can't see Brooklyn doing this. But I can see a good team needing a piece like Vassell.

For sake of argument, your trade is essentially, overall, trading Devin Vassell and the #14 for the #2 and keeping the #8, in terms of where we started and of course you take that overall. And it depends on who is available. I wouldn't if it means someone like Carter Bryant. But if some freak reason Tre Johnson is there or a Kon Knueppel, players I would have traded up from #8 to get, I would.

[Knoxxx]

Vassell is marginal to keep at his salary for sure, but I'd prefer to get a player we need more via trade and to me the draft is flat enough at 8 to 14 actually not to worry about it. I see no more reason to swoon over Bryant if that is who you are after than multiple other prospects. Likely Jaku and Maulach are already gone, pushing down other players we need more anyway.

[Das Texan]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

I'm driving that fuckwad Vassell to the GD airport.

[ambchang]

If BKY values Devin would you all do:

Devin + 14 for pick 8?

If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

I’d trade Vassell to move down 6 spots. And I’m only half joking.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfafCPzu77k

[cutewizard]

With the "Glory of Men, Wemby" being with us.....

and the Triumvirate (Fox, Castle, Harper) set to scorch the NBA

Might as well experiment with the 14th pick....

A unique player is Wolf, really, very intriguing skillset

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC1XmiSvRtw

[Bruno]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45104149/2025-nba-draft-combine-chicago-prospects-workout-highlights-measurements-stats-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks


Chatter at the combine points to Houston (picking 10th), Portland (at No. 11) and San Antonio (picking again at 14th) as teams willing to shop picks in the back half of the lottery for win-now upgrades.