Jackie Butler: Will The Knicks Match? (3-year, $7M)

[timvp]

Stealing a restricted free agent is probably the toughest thing to do in sports. That teams throws away money without remorse. Dolan has more money in his pockets at this second than Holt has in his bank account.

Is there any chance that the Knicks don't match? I'm going to say the chances are pretty slim. The Spurs have about a 20% chance I would guess.

Their only hope is that the Knicks look at their roster and realize that it's full.

R. Balkman
M. Collins
J. Crawford
E. Curry
S. Francis
C. Frye
J. James
D. Lee
S. Marbury
Q. Richardson
N. Robinson
J. Rose
M. Rose
M. Taylor
I. Udoka

So that is 14 players plus Ime Udoka. I'm not sure what the status of Udoka is, but it looks like the Knicks hold some type of rights to him. The obvious move for the Knicks would be to match on Butler and then just waive Udoka.

But matching on Butler would also mean that they lose Qyntel Woods and anyone else who they could get with the MLE. If the Knicks use the MLE on a player, then they'd be forced to waive a player like Malik Rose or Mo Taylor to sign Butler. That seems like too much money even for the Knicks.

Other things to consider is that Isiah Thomas got Eddy Curry and Jerome James to be his centers. He got those guys on his own. He's also on record as saying he didn't understand why Butler got playing time over James and Curry last year.

So perhaps a combination of a roster crunch and Isiah sticking with his two big money centers gives the Spurs a shot. It's not a great shot but it's a shot.

[T Park]

Better than Elson :lol

I think if the Knicks match on Butler, Elson is the Spurs, then the Spurs go back to Javtokas and offer the rest of the MLE.

Think so Timvp?

[Kori Ellis]

Better than Elson :lol

I think if the Knicks match on Butler, Elson is the Spurs, then the Spurs go back to Javtokas and offer the rest of the MLE.

Think so Timvp?

Javtokas already took an offer in Greece.

[T Park]

I thought someone said the Spurs called him and asked him to hold on.

Thought I saw that in the Jacque Vaughn thread or Javtokas one.

[violentkitten]

i bet they offered him a 3 year deal (if they offered him a 2 year deal i am done with this team until there's an ownership change). a 3 year deal at $3.3 mil starting is akin to a high 1st round rookie contract in last month's draft (the 2nd overall is the closest).

[Mr. Body]

The Knicks probably have about 3 trades they're negotiating right now, whether ultimately practicable or not. They're going to trade at some point for somebody. All they'll need to do is include an extra player in there and boom - open roster space.

[timvp]

i bet they offered him a 3 year deal (if they offered him a 2 year deal i am done with this team until there's an ownership change). a 3 year deal at $3.3 mil starting is akin to a high 1st round rookie contract in last month's draft (the 2nd overall is the closest).

Yeah a two-year contract would be matched. Their only chance is for a decent sized contract that is at least three years long.

[Kori Ellis]

I thought someone said the Spurs called him and asked him to hold on.

Thought I saw that in the Jacque Vaughn thread or Javtokas one.

Oh I didn't read that or hear it on the news.

[Bruno]

Udoka is under contract with Knicks next year but his contract is no guaranteed (like Melvin Sanders or Noel Felix).

My guess is that it will depend on Jerome James shape.
Last year, he was so out of shape that he asked to be bench after few minutes of play.

I've heard too that Isiah Thomas will try to go after Ariza.

[timvp]

Udoka is under contract with Knicks next year but his contract is no guaranteed (like Melvin Sanders or Noel Felix).

My guess is that it will depend on Jerome James shape.
Last year, he was so out of shape that he asked to be bench after few minutes of play.

I've heard too that Isiah Thomas will try to go after Ariza.

The Spurs need the Knicks to go out and snag a player with their MLE.

That would give the Spurs a much better shot.

:smokin

[strangeweather]

Other things to consider is that Isiah Thomas got Eddy Curry and Jerome James to be his centers. He got those guys on his own. He's also on record as saying he didn't understand why Butler got playing time over James and Curry last year.
Don't forget that their #3 center is their (i.e. Isiah's) top 10 draft pick from last year. They would be matching Butler to make him their fourth center.

[Mr. Body]

Knowing Isiah, he'll match Butler for his trade possibilities in the future.

[timvp]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1004/25772.jpg

You match that contract Isiah and I kill you.

[Bruno]

If Isiah go after a player, it should be a SF. They have tons of PG, SG, PF and if they want a C, they will re-sign Butler.

Knicks players that can play SF :
R. Balkman : rookie
D. Lee : more a PF than a SF
Q. Richardson : more a SG than a SF and injury prone
J. Rose : Quite old

[ducks]

this is vbookie material

[exstatic]

Knowing Isiah, he'll match Butler for his trade possibilities in the future.
They have to do it within seven days and cannot ever have more than 15 players under contract.

[timvp]

Knowing Isiah, he'll match Butler for his trade possibilities in the future.

Most likely but we can pray.

[strangeweather]

If Isiah go after a player, it should be a SF. They have tons of PG, SG, PF and if they want a C, they will re-sign Butler.

Knicks players that can play SF :
R. Balkman : rookie
D. Lee : more a PF than a SF
Q. Richardson : more a SG than a SF and injury prone
J. Rose : Quite old
If they were going to match anyone, you would think it would be Qyntel.

[Brutalis]

I don't know jack about Butler.

[Manu20]

this is vbookie material

:lol That was my first thought when I read the title.

[ducks]

supppodesly they backed out of a trade already
I think knicks are standing pat and not trading unless they get a great offer
thomas is out to prove how bad larry brown coached last year

[Mr. Body]

They have to do it within seven days and cannot ever have more than 15 players under contract.

I know. If anything, it makes him even more likely to pull the trigger on some nutzo Kenyon Martin trade. Jackie's his boy. Jackie will leave when he wants him to leave.

And Isiah is crazy. Trust me. I live in New York and he's always banging on the windows and scaring the kids.

[timvp]

At least we know the Spurs have some good info on Butler. Dell Demps found him and Pop probably called Larry Brown to ask about him.

Now we just need Isiah to cooperate.

[ducks]

nugget posted posted they backed out already on that trade....



is it 7 days AFTER they sign or when spurs offered them?
does anyone know if they signed them yet?

[Kori Ellis]

nugget posted posted they backed out already on that trade....



is it 7 days AFTER they sign or when spurs offered them?
does anyone know if they signed them yet?

I heard they signed them. But I'm not sure, so don't take my word for it.

[Bruno]

If they were going to match anyone, you would think it would be Qyntel.

Qyntel is unrestricted.

I have no clue if they will match.

It will depend on a lot of things : James shape, Lee at PF or SF, will they keep Ime Udoka, trades done by Thomas, amount of Spurs offer for Butler....

[Mr. Body]

R. Balkman
M. Collins
J. Crawford
E. Curry
S. Francis
C. Frye
J. James
D. Lee
S. Marbury
Q. Richardson
N. Robinson
J. Rose
M. Rose
M. Taylor
I. Udoka

I don't see Butler on that list. Doesn't he count?

Also, a question: do rookies count yet? I'm guessing even not signed they take up roster slots.

[ducks]

thanks kori

[Kori Ellis]

I don't see Butler on that list. Doesn't he count?

Also, a question: do rookies count yet? I'm guessing even not signed they take up roster slots.

Butler doesn't count right now because he's a free agent.

Collins and Balkman, their rookies, have already signed I believe.

[timvp]

They have to do it within seven days and cannot ever have more than 15 players under contract.

In the offseason, I don't believe that is true. IIRC, you can have as many players as you want as long as you trim your roster by the day before the season starts.

[Mr. Body]

In the offseason, I don't believe that is true. IIRC, you can have as many players as you want as long as you trim your roster by the day before the season starts.

Then they match. That seems clear.

[timvp]

Then they match. That seems clear.

If they use their MLE or re-sign Woods, they'd have to waive a guaranteed contract at some point if they were to match on Butler. That might be too much for the Knicks to swallow.

Hopefully.

:drunk

[Mr. Body]

Butler also seems hell-bent to get out of there (who blames him?). I wonder if he can smash a vase in Isiah's office or such.

[ChumpDumper]

It's all up to Dolan now. In previous years I would've said he didn't give a shit about paying another $6 million for Butler, but now I'm not sure.

[timvp]

It kinda seems like the Knicks are trying to turn around their ship and Isiah doesn't like it that it looks like they just waste money. Perhaps they'll let Butler walk and Isiah will chalk it up to the new Knicks who are responsible ... like the Spurs.

[gmanrulz]

it says the spurs offerered them contracts, doesnt that mean that they havent even signed anything yet?

[Bruno]

And knicks are in the Luxury tax area, butler will cost twice his salary to Dolan...

[timvp]

it says the spurs offerered them contracts, doesnt that mean that they havent even signed anything yet?

It's just the wording. They've agreed to the contracts. They won't be "signed" until New York and Denver decide whether to match or not.

[Spurs9]

I'd like to see us get Butler, he is only 21 and is a big man. Hopefully Isiah makes another stupid trade and runs out of money.

[violentkitten]

my guess is that knicks try to pry something back from the spurs.

[violentkitten]

It's just the wording. They've agreed to the contracts. They won't be "signed" until New York and Denver decide whether to match or not.

yeah ludden said those teams have 7 days to decide so they mustve accepted the offer sheets.

[shaggy17]

Is this guy even any good???? I have never even see Jackie Browns nemesis Jackie Butlar even play? If he is a project why are we going to start him then??? Javtokas is someone we could of really used but these are 2 below average bigs that dont seem to be good at all

[ducks]

my guess is that knicks try to pry something back from the spurs.
no picks

[Bruno]

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16910458&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6


In other free agent news, the Knicks will probably match any reasonable offer sheet signed by backup center Jackie Butler.

''We like Jackie,'' Knicks coach Isiah Thomas told the New York Post. ''We want to keep him, but it's a long summer. Our intention is to re-sign him."

http://www.greenwichtime.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix124814630jul12,0,2838901.story?coll=ny-knicks-print


Agent David Lee, who represents former Knicks small forward Trevor Ariza, said Thomas had contacted him, but Thomas indicated there is no room on the roster to bring back Ariza, who plays the same position as top draft pick Renaldo Balkman.

If the Knicks sign anyone, it will be their own restricted free-agent center Jackie Butler.

[Brutalis]

Butler will be a Spur. Dude don't wanna play for the Knicks and signed the sheet with the Spurs.

Even if the Knicks match he doesn't have to accept it.

[ChumpDumper]

Butler will be a Spur. Dude don't wanna play for the Knicks and signed the sheet with the Spurs.

Even if the Knicks match he doesn't have to accept it.Yes he does.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Uh, yeah, he does.

[timvp]

Is this guy even any good???? I have never even see Jackie Browns nemesis Jackie Butlar even play? If he is a project why are we going to start him then??? Javtokas is someone we could of really used but these are 2 below average bigs that dont seem to be good at all

He's good. He has 15 points and 10 rebounds per game type potential.

[Leetonidas]

He can request for them not to match, though. Hopefully we land him.

[timvp]

He can request for them not to match, though. Hopefully we land him.

Every restricted free agent makes the request. 90% of them get matched anyways.

[Russ]

Butler kinda looks like a potential Corliss Williamson -- a talented chubby guy.

The Spurs reputation for being asute on personnel matter may hurt them here. Isaih may fear the scorn of the New York media if Butler goes to the Spurs and blossoms. That could be the final nail in his coffin, you know, the media screaming that "now the mighty Knicks are getting snookered by a bunch of hillbillies from a little town in Texas." Isaih probably would do anything to avoid that happening.

Anyway, I think Javtokas is still a pretty good back-up plan (if needed).

[CavsFan89]

Some other team can come and offer a contract still.

[ChumpDumper]

Some other team can come and offer a contract still.Not if he's signed the offer sheet.

[timvp]

This is definitely a long shot. However, it was a good move because adding Butler would be huge for this team. Young centers who show potential are almost impossible to get.

If nothing more, it's a good attempt.

Now we just need a miracle.

[violentkitten]

Some other team can come and offer a contract still.

they can but the player cannot accept unless the offer sheet is rescinded.

[Russ]

Some other team can come and offer a contract still.
Not once Butler signs the Spurs' offer sheet.

I wonder if the Spurs have a creative "poison pill" in the deal to discourage the Knicks from matching. If so, what could it be?

[Obstructed_View]

Is this a ploy to force the Knicks to cut someone when they match for Butler and then sign them? Does the player get placed on waivers or cut outright?

[timvp]

Not once Butler signs the Spurs' offer sheet.

I wonder if the Spurs have a creative "poison pill" in the deal to discourage the Knicks from matching. If so, what could it be?

I was thinking about that but I'm not sure what it could be. Perhaps something like if he doesn't start a certain percentage of games, it kicks in 4th and 5th years of the contract.

:smokin

[CavsFan89]

I didnt think he signed a offer sheet it just said extended offer, but after reading it, I was wrong.

[BrianBird]

Would it have done any good by making an attempt to sign both Q Woods and Butler to offer sheets for a 50/50 split of the MLE and hope the Knicks only decide to match one? Either way i can't get excited about what appears to be the spurs reaching to plan F. If we get Butler, hell better than nothing.

[Kori Ellis]

Would it have done any good by making an attempt to sign both Q Woods and Butler to offer sheets for a 50/50 split of the MLE and hope the Knicks only decide to match one? Either way i can't get excited about what appears to be the spurs reaching to plan F. If we get Butler, hell better than nothing.

Woods is unrestricted. They wouldn't need to give him an offer sheet ... just sign him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

God I hope the Knicks don't.

Ever since the list of FA bigs was posted a couple of weeks ago, I've always thought there was a ton of upside to Butler.

Hopefully Isiah keeps his head up his ass for another seven days.

[Spurs9]

They were actually showing a story about him on the news, his coach actually lives here.

[timvp]

There can be no compensation given to a team in return for their not matching an offer to a restricted free agent. For example, Houston could not sign Golden State's restricted free agent, then send Golden State a draft pick in exchange for their not matching the offer and retaining the player.

I was thinking perhaps the Spurs could give the Knicks a second round pick so they'd STFU but that can't happen.

Just have to pray for a miracle.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Maybe Pop told Isiah that if they matched that he would do to Isiah's career in the NBA what he did to Bob Hill's.

That should be enough :lol

[K-State Spur]

I was thinking perhaps the Spurs could give the Knicks a second round pick so they'd STFU but that can't happen.

Just have to pray for a miracle.

that's a dumb rule that i was not aware of. if you are allowed to trade the rights of unsigned draft picks, why can't you trade the rights of a restricted free agent?

[RC's Boss]

Knowing Isiah, he'll match Butler for his trade possibilities in the future.
He won't match.... That cat is under a smoking gun! It wouldn't suprise me if all the knick did were trades from here on out. By the way, is Elson really that bad? I thought he filled in nicely for camby?!?!

[MannyIsGod]

that's a dumb rule that i was not aware of. if you are allowed to trade the rights of unsigned draft picks, why can't you trade the rights of a restricted free agent?The only right you have with a restricted free agent is the right to match an offer. They don't have the only right to sign him like a draft pick. It is a totally different situation.

[koopa]

He won't match.... That cat is under a smoking gun! It wouldn't suprise me if all the knick did were trades from here on out. By the way, is Elson really that bad? I thought he filled in nicely for camby?!?!


he did according to nugget fans, i think ppl are just worried that he's gonna be our only starter, that's why ppl are probably down on him. well at least that's why i'm down on elson, unless butler comes

[Kori Ellis]

he did according to nugget fans, i think ppl are just worried that he's gonna be our only starter, that's why ppl are probably down on him. well at least that's why i'm down on elson, unless butler comes

I feel the same way. If Elson is a cheap bench player, that's okay -- I just don't want him starting.

[Russ]

I feel the same way. If Elson is a cheap bench player, that's okay -- I just don't want him starting.
You just don't like him cuz he's from Cal.

[Kori Ellis]

You just don't like him cuz he's from Cal.

No, I didn't even think about that :lol I just don't want to pay him 1/2 the MLE and make believe he's a starter.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Does anyone have any REAL info about this butler guy besides the fact that he's almost as young as Alvarez

[baseline bum]

Maybe Pop told Isiah that if they matched that he would do to Isiah's career in the NBA what he did to Bob Hill's.

That should be enough :lol

Isiah's doing a fine job of that on his own.

[K-State Spur]

The only right you have with a restricted free agent is the right to match an offer. They don't have the only right to sign him like a draft pick. It is a totally different situation.

i understand that it is a slightly different situation. but it's not unheard of, the NFL allows compensation for the signings of restricted players. The Redskins have done a lot of it over the past 4 years or so.

[baseline bum]

I was thinking about that but I'm not sure what it could be. Perhaps something like if he doesn't start a certain percentage of games, it kicks in 4th and 5th years of the contract.

:smokin

Is anything like that even legal? I thought significant performance-related bonuses were outlawed by the CBA. I remember the Spurs tried to offer DA a contract with a bunch of incentives that would have never been approved by the NBA.

[MannyIsGod]

i understand that it is a slightly different situation. but it's not unheard of, the NFL allows compensation for the signings of restricted players. The Redskins have done a lot of it over the past 4 years or so.
Yeah, the NFL setup is to where if a team signs a RFA they must send over compensation, whereas the NBA agreement simply allows the origional team to match the offer to retain the services. I would argue that draft picks are far more important in the NFL which is why the agreements are strucutred that way but thats a totally different thread.

[ChumpDumper]

What do you want to know?

He's 6'10" with a 7'1.5" wingspan, 21 years old and looks vaguely angry..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What do you want to know?

He's 6'10" with a 7'1.5" wingspan, 21 years old and looks vaguely angry..


Is he a quick springy jumper or a strong jumper? Rebounding skills? Not afraid to bang? Is he a Black Hole? How are his hands? Court Sense, relative to Nazr?

[Kori Ellis]

One main reason Spurs fans should really want Butler.


Has great hands downlow and anything that goes his way he gets ahold of.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

shiiiiit, man that's all you needed to say :smchode:

[timvp]

My scouting report on Butler:

Offense: Very good hands and good touch around the basket. Doesn't have a perimeter game but isn't afraid to mix it up inside. Finishes with power around the basket. His back to the basket moves are basic yet effective.

Defense: Good shotblocker. Good rebounder. Really bodies up to his man defensively and forces tough shots. Can get in foul trouble much like most young centers. Has to work on his rotations but he's decent as is.

Basically he's a guy who can come in and bang. On top of that, his ability to score inside will be an improvement over Rasho and Nazr. This year, he'd probably be an 8 points and 6 rebounds per game type of player.

As time goes on, he's a guy who develop into a double-double machine. 15 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks a game type potential.

His downsides are he's raw, not in the greatest of shape and has a history of some off the court troubles. IIRC, he went to high school for five years and had problems getting eligible for college. But if he can put his problems behind him, hit the gym and come in with the right attitude, he's going to be a huge piece for the Spurs going forward.

Now it's up to Isiah not matching.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Nice. Sounds almost too good to be true. With the Knicks Roster, there really is no reason he should match, unless we offered this kid a dirt cheap contract....Well, guess I'll keep the fingers crossed until we hear how this ends.

[Das Texan]

Isaiah has done a great job fucking things up so far, hopefully he continues in his stupid ways.

[exstatic]

I was thinking about that but I'm not sure what it could be. Perhaps something like if he doesn't start a certain percentage of games, it kicks in 4th and 5th years of the contract.

:smokin
Start? Hell, they could couch something in there about xtra years being added for not being on the active list for X number of games. I think their owner is going to choke on this anyway (paying a 4th center), but if there is a penalty for stashing him on IL, that could be the match breaker.

[baseline bum]

Half the MLE is dirt-cheap for a young big.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Shoulda offered his ass the entire MLE god damit

[timvp]

For what it's worth, Knick fans are all saying that it's a no-brainer that Isiah will match the offer.

:depressed

[Cant_Be_Faded]

typical

[timvp]

Half the MLE is dirt-cheap for a young big.

Exactly.

To get a young big with promise for anything less than the MLE is a steal.

[MannyIsGod]

For what it's worth, Knick fans are all saying that it's a no-brainer that Isiah will match the offer.

:depressedWhere?

[Budkin]

What Knicks fans are thinking about the Butler situation...

Found a thread at a Knicks Forum:

http://www.nykfanpage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17084

[timvp]

I'm getting bad flashbacks to the 2000 offseason when the Spurs were hours away from locking up a little known, project bigman. At the last minute, the Blazers upped their offer and kept their free agent.

Spurs fans were wondering why the Spurs offered the kid so much money. Now any Spurs fan would give up their first born to get Jermaine O'Neal on this team.

[MannyIsGod]

What Knicks fans are thinking about the Butler situation...

Found a thread at a Knicks Forum:

http://www.nykfanpage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17084Thanks.

[Russ]

For what it's worth, Knick fans are all saying that it's a no-brainer that Isiah will match the offer.

:depressed
Well, then we're just doing the Knicks' bidding for them. Like Miami did for the Clips with Brand. :grim:

[MannyIsGod]

Wow, reading for a bit on that thread makes my CBA understanding head hurt. :lol

[timvp]

Where?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=543533&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Bottom line is that Butler didn't get a full MLE, only partial. I can't see Zeke passing on a match at 3 million or so.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

damn we suck

[Mr. Body]

It seems far too likely the Knicks match. You just don't screw around with moneybags. Again, our only hope is Butler asks Isiah to have a man-to-man discussion with him on an abandoned subway platform and they walk away with "a better understanding."

We can hope the Knicks make their decision sooner rather than later.

[T Park]

I can't see Zeke passing on a match at 3 million or so.

Wich means he will.

hopefully..... :depressed

[itzsoweezee]

Is he a quick springy jumper or a strong jumper? Rebounding skills? Not afraid to bang? Is he a Black Hole? How are his hands? Court Sense, relative to Nazr?

both nazr and rasho are better players than jackie butler. don't let the wackos on here fool you. the spurs have downgraded considerably in the center position.

[exstatic]

For what it's worth, Knick fans are all saying that it's a no-brainer that Isiah will match the offer.

:depressed
Are these the same Knick fans that attend the draft each year? :lol :lol

[Russ]

From the Knicks board:


I'd totally be down with a Q and Jackie for Barry (1 year remaining) and Eric Williams (expiring) trade, but I doubt that SA wants to pick up Q's contract. Though Q will be a nice long term replacement for Finley when he retires after next season.

Now we're talking!!!

[exstatic]

both nazr and rasho are better players than jackie butler. don't let the wackos on here fool you. the spurs have downgraded considerably in the center position.
That's not even possible.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Zeke will have some difficulty convincing Dolan to pony up $6 million for this guy on top of the $200 million he's already committed to spending.

[T Park]

I'd totally be down with a Q and Jackie for Barry (1 year remaining) and Eric Williams (expiring) trade, but I doubt that SA wants to pick up Q's contract. Though Q will be a nice long term replacement for Finley when he retires after next season.




Id do that trade so fast, Isaih's head would spin.

[T Park]

I think Zeke will have some difficulty convincing Dolan to pony up $6 million for this guy on top of the $200 million he's already committed to spending.




He convinced him to give that rediculous contract to Jerome James and Eddy Curry.


That just proves how nuts Dolan is :lol

[ChumpDumper]

He convinced him to give that rediculous contract to Jerome James and Eddy Curry.Exactly.

[T Park]

:lol

That means, they will prob match.

The one gift that Isaih has is his gift of babble.

[Mr. Body]

I think Zeke will have some difficulty convincing Dolan to pony up $6 million for this guy on top of the $200 million he's already committed to spending.

$6M is nothin but a drop in the bucket of $200M. Isiah gets pretty free reign to prove he can keep his job.

Isiah has tons of pride. He won't let this one go.

[strangeweather]

Id do that trade so fast, Isaih's head would spin.

Quentin Richardson:
06-07: $6,960,000
07-08: $8,105,500
08-09: $8,825,750
09-10: $9,352,500 (Player Option)

That's a lot of money for a guy that isn't all that versatile.

[timvp]

Maybe Isiah will fall in love with one of his summer league players.

All it'll take is one more player on the Knicks and then it'd become much harder to sign Butler.

[ChumpDumper]

If he has some trade on the table which will free up minutes or roster spots, Zeke might be able to talk Dolan into matching. Otherwise he shot his wad with the other centers.

[timvp]

$6M is nothin but a drop in the bucket of $200M. Isiah gets pretty free reign to prove he can keep his job.

Isiah has tons of pride. He won't let this one go.

Most likely you are right. I think the Spurs' chances are between 10-20% right now.

Time to get lucky.

[exstatic]

He convinced him to give that rediculous contract to Jerome James and Eddy Curry.

If you keep beating your head on the wall, does it hurt less? Word is that Isaiah is on a short leash. That would mean that Dolan's patience is about at an end.

[timvp]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Spurs' only hope is that Isiah wants to show the world that Eddy Curry and Jerome James were the right moves.

[Ocotillo]

Most likely you are right. I think the Spurs' chances are between 10-20% right now.

Time to get lucky.

Were'nt the Spurs odds in the Duncan draft about that..... :angel

[Russ]

Most likely you are right. I think the Spurs' chances are between 10-20% right now.

Time to get lucky.
Lucky? CIA Pop is probably "communicating" with Isiah about the negatives as we speak. :lol

[TheTruth]

I hope the knicks match and pop, rc, and presti will look like the idiots they are trying hard to become.
I hope that you stop posting and realize what an idiot you have always been.

[Buddy Holly]

If a player requests not to return, don't most teams respect that and allow the player to leave?

[violentkitten]

if the spurs feel that strongly about butler they should've just sent more of the mle his way and forgotten about fing around with san francisco elson. maybe they could've told javtokas to wait

[Russ]

BTW, is there any credible word on whether this Butler kid actually put his high school-educated "X" on the offer sheet?

[violentkitten]

If a player requests not to return, don't most teams respect that and allow the player to leave?

fuck no.

[timvp]

If a player requests not to return, don't most teams respect that and allow the player to leave?

Nope.

That has worked maybe twice in league history.

[violentkitten]

BTW, is there any credible word on whether this Butler kid actually put his high school-educated "X" on the offer sheet?

ludden seems to think so

[timvp]

BTW, is there any credible word on whether this Butler kid actually put his high school-educated "X" on the offer sheet?

Yeah the seven days are on and counting.

[Kori Ellis]

BTW, is there any credible word on whether this Butler kid actually put his high school-educated "X" on the offer sheet?

I was told that he did.

But I don't trust anyone's word until I see it in a few newspapers at the least. :lol

[strangeweather]

If a player requests not to return, don't most teams respect that and allow the player to leave?
Nah, that's worthless, as others have posted.

The classy move is to verbally abuse the team in the press until no one wants you any more. ;)

[Russ]

Yeah the seven days are on and counting.
Good, at least this saga will be over in seven days. Maybe still enough time to retrieve Javtokas.

[ChumpDumper]

I hear he can dunk the living shit out of a volleyball.

[Brutalis]

Chump - Manny

How so?

All year long I've heard about how Butler doesn't like the Knicks when I didn't even know crap about him. Various forums all over the net have been saying this all of last season.

He doesn't wanna play for the Knicks. For the second time.

[Russ]

How about this for a "poison pill" clause in the contract?


Management of the team employing Mr. Butler's services will publicly acknowledge, upon his signing, that Larry Brown was the best and most worthy (and underpaid) coach in that team's history.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump - Manny

How so?

All year long I've heard about how Butler doesn't like the Knicks when I didn't even know crap about him. Various forums all over the net have been saying this all of last season.

He doesn't wanna play for the Knicks. For the second time.Google "Marc Jackson Golden State match" and get back with me.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't give a fuck. If Duncan gets hurt next year, we will struggle to make the playoffs.If either one of these guys can set a pick, that's untrue.

[Brutalis]

Google "Marc Jackson Golden State match" and get back with me.
Yeah you don't seem to understand me.

[koopa]

I don't give a fuck. If Duncan gets hurt next year, we will struggle to make the playoffs.


well if that's the case at least we'll have a good draft pick in what's supposed to be a very good and deep draft

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah you don't seem to understand me.It doesn't matter if he doesn't want to play there. What part of that do you not understand?

[K-State Spur]

Yeah, the NFL setup is to where if a team signs a RFA they must send over compensation, whereas the NBA agreement simply allows the origional team to match the offer to retain the services. I would argue that draft picks are far more important in the NFL which is why the agreements are strucutred that way but thats a totally different thread.

actually, draft picks are far more over-valued. the players picked with compensation rarely match the production of the player who left via restricted free agency to begin with.

it's the age old production vs. potential debate.

[Brutalis]

It doesn't matter if he doesn't want to play there. What part of that do you not understand?
No shit Mr. Genius.

Your point was easy to figure out. Set aside your arrogance for a hair of a second and see that all I was saying was Knicks won't match, Butler doesn't wanna play for em anyways and he'll be a Spur.

Thanks!

[Buddy Holly]

I don't give a fuck. If Duncan gets hurt next year, we will struggle to make the playoffs.

Struggle to make the playoffs? No.

Not with Tony and Manu.

We'd finish low, very low. But we wouldn't struggle.

[MannyIsGod]

actually, draft picks are far more over-valued. the players picked with compensation rarely match the production of the player who left via restricted free agency to begin with.

it's the age old production vs. potential debate.I agree with you, what I was saying was that NFL draft picks are more valuable than NBA draft picks.

[SenorSpur]

A couple of questions:

Is it conceivable that the Spurs could end up with both Butler and Elson?

Even still, could they make a run after Q Woods

[Buddy Holly]

Per 24:

19 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks.

[ChumpDumper]

No shit Mr. Genius.

Your point was easy to figure out. Set aside your arrogance for a hair of a second and see that all I was saying was Knicks won't match, Butler doesn't wanna play for em anyways and he'll be a Spur.

Thanks!Given what we were discusing, it doesn't matter much.

[ChumpDumper]

A couple of questions:

Is it conceivable that the Spurs could end up with both Butler and Elson?

Even still, could they make a run after Q WoodsYes and yes.

In theory.

[Buddy Holly]

Is it conceivable that the Spurs could end up with both Butler and Elson?

Yes, it is.


Even still, could they make a run after Q Woods

If he'd take the LLE.

[SenorSpur]

Yes, it is.



If he'd take the LLE.

If not, I wonder if Isiah would be willing to take back something in a S&T for Woods. However if he chooses to Butler, perhaps the Spurs can go after him outright.

[Mr. Body]

It seems highly unlikely to me that we get Butler. Just utterly subjectively reviewing the situation, thinking of what I know about the Knicks (I watch them perhaps more than the Spurs, living in NYC), about Isiah, and the situation, I have to think they match. Isiah isn't interested in Butler's 'peace of mind' and desire to play elsewhere. He thinks he can match and convince Butler to play well -- knowing he will. And/or trade him bundled with a crap contract.

It's very unlikely the Spurs get this guy, sad to say.

[Russ]

How about a poll on most likely Spurs next year? My guess:

Butler 25%

Javtokas 20%

Elson 55%

[Mr. Body]

How about a poll on most likely Spurs next year? My guess:

Butler 25%

Javtokas 20%

Elson 55%

Elson 88%
Butler 12%
Javtokas 0%

[timvp]

How about a poll on most likely Spurs next year? My guess:

Butler 25%

Javtokas 20%

Elson 55%

Elson 70%
Butler 15%
Javtokas 10%

[Kori Ellis]

Elson 47%
Butler 10%
Javtokas 1%

[Buddy Holly]

I love Tony and Manu. However could you see them beating out the Kings, Nuggets, Rockets, and the Hornets?

You don't know until you try.

Manu is capable of taking over games and being nearly unstoppable when he's the focus of the offense.

[Mr. Body]

"You Can't Always Get What You Want" on VH1's The Alternative.

Crazy coincidental.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

timvp i hope you realize how crushed we're all going to be after all your hyping of butler, if the knicks match

[timvp]

timvp i hope you realize how crushed we're all going to be after all your hyping of butler, if the knicks match

Yeah I've already hidden all the sharp objects.

I don't want any Spurs fans going Eminem on themsevles when Elson is the starter backed up by Oberto.

:depressed

[SenorSpur]

If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.

[timvp]

If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.

They don't have enough to get Magloire.

If Isiah matches, they either have to beg back Javtokas or sign someone like Jake Voskuhl or Aaron Williams.

[Ninja-Defense]

If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.

Yeah, I know what you mean... :lol

[Mr. Body]

It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

He says no.

Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.

[Ninja-Defense]

It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

He says no.

Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.


Oh yeah, Ariza would be a nice pickup.

[Kori Ellis]

It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

He says no.

Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.

I wonder if Javtokas' contract with Greece is done.

[ChumpDumper]

It might have an out clause for the NBA.

[Ninja-Defense]

It might have an out clause for the NBA.

Here's hoping you're correct.

[Buddy Holly]

I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.

[Kori Ellis]

Knicks’ Butler Has Offer From the Spurs
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/sports/basketball/13knicks.html

By HOWARD BECK
Published: July 13, 2006
Jackie Butler, who finished last season as the Knicks’ crunch-time center, has signed an offer sheet with the San Antonio Spurs.

The contract is believed to be worth about $7 million over three years. Because Butler is a restricted free agent, the Knicks have seven days to match the offer or let him go. Team officials have not yet made a decision, according to a spokesman.

This past season, his second in the N.B.A., the 6-foot-10 Butler played 55 games, averaging 5.3 points and 3.3 rebounds while shooting 54.4 percent from the field. Just 21, Butler was viewed as a promising prospect — particularly by Coach Larry Brown, who often referred to him as the team’s “fourth first-round pick.”

The Spurs have parted with both centers from their 2005 championship run. Nazr Mohammed, the former Knick, signed a free-agent contract with Detroit. Rasho Nesterovic was traded to Toronto.

“We’re excited about it,” Butler’s agent, Keith Glass, said of the offer sheet in a telephone interview. “It puts him at a different level, obviously.”

If Butler stays with the Knicks, he could struggle to earn playing time; the team has nearly $90 million invested in centers Eddy Curry and Jerome James. When James faltered last season, Butler moved into a second-string role. In the final weeks, Brown often played Butler in fourth quarter rather than Curry.

But the Knicks have 14 players with guaranteed contracts, and — if Curry and James are healthy and in shape — little use for another big man. Rather than extend a contract offer, the Knicks told Glass he should get the best deal he could and let them decide whether to match it.

“They said, ‘Look, it’s nothing personal, but you’re going to have to bring us something,’ ” Glass said. But he expressed gratitude to the Knicks for plucking the undrafted Butler from the Continental Basketball Association in February 2005 and developing him into a solid player.

Under N.B.A. rules, yesterday was the first day teams could sign or trade players. The Knicks have signaled they will not be active but are content to keep the roster as is. If they retain Butler, they will have the maximum number of players.

[Ninja-Defense]

I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.

Is there any way of knowing whether Javtokas would just balk at the renewed offer and play in Greece? Is he jonesing to come to the NBA?

[ChumpDumper]

That's the best Butler's agent could get?

[timvp]

Man, three-year, $7M probably won't be enough:(

That is chump change to the Knicks.

:depressed

[Kori Ellis]

I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.

He could have written that before Javtokas agreed with terms with Greece. We'll see.

[Buddy Holly]

the Knicks told Glass he should get the best deal he could and let them decide whether to match it.

Sounds promising.

[Buddy Holly]

If you're spliting the MLE how do you give Butler more than 10 million without making it an easier deal for Denver to match on the part of Elson.

[reydawg]

Stealing a restricted free agent is probably the toughest thing to do in sports.

Let's not get carried away.

[Buddy Holly]

I don't think the Knicks match a three year deal.

[ChumpDumper]

$10 million would've given them pause.

Not this.

[Kori Ellis]

If you're spliting the MLE how do you give Butler more than 10 million without making it an easier deal for Denver to match on the part of Elson.

Well I would think the Spurs would want Butler more than Elson and would offer him more. But it looks like they might have just split it. Maybe they offered them each 3years/7.5M.

[Buddy Holly]

Again, how do you Butler a 3 year 10+ million deal without lowerring Elson's deal so much so Denver easily matches.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are pretty fucking cheap.

That said, this NYT article has me feeling better.

[Kori Ellis]

Again, how do you Butler a 3 year 10+ million deal without lowerring Elson's deal so much so Denver easily matches.

3 years/10M to Butler and 3years/6M to Elson. That's around what I figured they'd offer.

[Buddy Holly]

Well I would think the Spurs would want Butler more than Elson and would offer him more. But it looks like they might have just split it. Maybe they offered them each 3years/7.5M.

But if they give Butler a high deal and Elson a low deal and Knicks match and then Denver matches, then the Spurs are really SOL.

[ChumpDumper]

But if they give them both low deals and they match both, it's better!

[Buddy Holly]

The Spurs are pretty fucking cheap.

Like LJ asked before, HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY CHEAP WIN THEY'VE USED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN?

[Kori Ellis]

But if they give Butler a high deal and Elson a low deal and Knicks match and then Denver matches, then the Spurs are really SOL.

Well I didn't think of Elson as a super high priority. IMO, The priority should be getting Butler. Then if they lose Elson, oh well.. there's a lot of 5 and 5 bigmen available.

[Buddy Holly]

But if they give them both low deals and they match both, it's better!

Denver is less likely to match is the deal is higher.

[Mr. Body]

Like LJ asked before, HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY CHEAP WIN THEY'VE USED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN?

Years.

[Buddy Holly]

Years.

Years? :lol :lol

[Leetonidas]

Well Butler signed. He obviously doesn't want to be in NY, so we'll see what happens.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That's so weak. Spurs should ahve lived dangerously and just offered him the entire MLE...what is there to fucking lose? We either get our center, or we dont, and can use that money elsewhere on the other shit thats available.

[Mr. Body]

3 years/10M to Butler and 3years/6M to Elson. That's around what I figured they'd offer.

That would have been too smart, you see?

Either Denver wants Elson or not. They're not going to balk at half a million if they want him.

Butler - you have to put some poison in the offer. $10M is chunkier than $7.5M. Harder to swallow.

Knowing the Spurs, they probably didn't want to make it seem like they were indicating which one would be their starter, thinking they'd get both.

[Mr. Body]

Years? :lol :lol

Or the full MLE. Indicate who you want. Send him the proper money. The Spurs manage to low-ball two players at the same time.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Three years, seven million? Give me a fucking break... that's chump change for NY.

[ChumpDumper]

Denver is less likely to match is the deal is higher.So are the knicks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But if they give them both low deals and they match both, it's better!

Beat me to it. :lol

Same ol' Buddy Holly, couldn't get his head any farther up the ass of the Spurs front office if he tried.

[Supergirl]

I predict the Knicks don't match. I don't think Isiah wants to look like a spendthrift yet again, and he has no justification to keep Butler when (as people have pointed out) he just went out and sought James last year and doesn't like Butler all that much.

This is what I'm hoping for. I don't care whether Elson comes or not.

[violentkitten]

lmmfao

$7 mil? seven million dollars?

:spin

bully for the spurs on the off chance they dont match, but damn, 3 yrs $7 mil?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

we are doomed

[Mr. Body]

Supergirl- we all hope you're right.

The problem is Isiah's a prideful guy. Jackie is his big find. One of the things he takes pride in is finding and drafting good young talent. And he doesn't want to be seen as a loser, because in his mind he's not. He doesn't intend on losing any battle this year (just games).

[exstatic]

Butler - you have to put some poison in the offer. $10M is chunkier than $7.5M. Harder to swallow.

In reality, to NY that's $20M, since they are paying dollar for dollar luxury tax.

[Buddy Holly]

So are the knicks.

If 7 million is chump change, 10 isn't?

[Russ]

I wonder if Javtokas' contract with Greece is done.
I bet Javtokas' agent is just talking about Greece to save face. I bet Javtokas signs in Greece only after it's clear the Spurs won't sign him.

BTW, I think Javtokas (unlike Oberto and Scola) would be a better NBA player than a Euro player -- his game suits the NBA more.

[Buddy Holly]

Beat me to it. :lol

Same ol' Buddy Holly, couldn't get his head any farther up the ass of the Spurs front office if he tried.

Same a ol'l you, bash me out of nowhere.

My nuts are that addictive are they? It seems you've never left.

[timvp]

3-year, $7M?

So actually it's a 3-year, $14M for the Knicks to match including the tax.

Let's just hope Dolan has told Isiah he isn't allowed to spend anymore or something.

Spurs need a miracle.

[violentkitten]

what are the spurs saving for? this is getting retarded. the spurs are doing less than they can to win over the next two seasons. fuck that. duncan isn't 25 anymore. he's 30. manu is 29 this summer. now is your time to win.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I wish our owners were like Dolan.

[exstatic]

Supergirl- we all hope you're right.

The problem is Isiah's a prideful guy. Jackie is his big find. One of the things he takes pride in is finding and drafting good young talent. And he doesn't want to be seen as a loser, because in his mind he's not. He doesn't intend on losing any battle this year (just games).

Jackie is only ONE of his finds, and he had no problem offloading Ariza last year.


Another factor: the only contract that comes off the books clean next summer is Mo Taylor. Both Roses have player opts, but would be insane to pass on more sure money than they'll get in FA. If they fill up to 15 players, they'll be in the same spot next summer, with draft picks to sign.

[violentkitten]

hey, the spurs sprung for that 3rd year, man. they didn't even do that for zo.

desperate times.

:spin

[Buddy Holly]

I wish our owners were like Dolan.

Never winning? :oops

[Mr. Body]

Jackie is only ONE of his finds, and he had no problem offloading Ariza last year.

He only gave up Ariza to get Steve Francis, "his guy".

[exstatic]

I wish our owners were like Dolan.
Yes, because the Knicks are in such better shape than SA. Fuckwit.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Jackie is only ONE of his finds, and he had no problem offloading Ariza last year.


Another factor: the only contract that comes off the books clean next summer is Mo Taylor. Both Roses have player opts, but would be insane to pass on more sure money than they'll get in FA. If they fill up to 15 players, they'll be in the same spot next summer, with draft picks to sign.


A ray of hope; Robinson and Duncan could work with Butler every night to make him a billy bad ass. Course that's what I said about Rasho and Nazr too :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Same a ol'l you, bash me out of nowhere.

My nuts are that addictive are they? It seems you've never left.

Don't flatter yourself.

I bash you because I just got done reading all 8 pages and the only thing that sticks out is your retarded ass posts.

I can't figure out who's dick you suck harder - Dusty's or Spurs management's.

This is a lame lowball offer and a week from now we're going to be going and overpaying for Jarron Collins and you'll be on here telling us all how signing a scrub ass center in Duncan's prime is a brilliant move by the Spurs front office.

Go back to Spursreport, at least for another five or six years until you fucking grow up and find a brain.

[exstatic]

He only gave up Ariza to get Steve Francis, "his guy".
Who they're apparently trying to move now!

[violentkitten]

no duncan in the '97 draft and this forum is about the new orleans/oklahoma city gumbos. spare me the talk about the greatness of the spurs ownership group.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

3-year, $7M, isn't that less than half the MLE? Kinda weird, unless they're giving Elson more than half the MLE they're not even using the whole thing...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The only ray of hope in this is that it's technically 14 million to the Knicks as they're paying dollar for dollar.

Other than that, we're cheap and this team is fucked at the five spot.

[timvp]

A 3-year, $7M deal works out to a starting salary of $2.15M with 8% raises. I'm surprised Butler went for it, actually. A number of teams were after him. Perhaps everyone else realized that the Knicks would match.

:shootme

What's scary is what happened to the other part of the MLE? The bigger part. Hopefully the Spurs didn't offer it all to Elson. That'd be $10.5M over three years or $7.3M over two years.

:depressed

[Kori Ellis]

3-year, $7M, isn't that less than half the MLE? Kinda weird, unless they're giving Elson more than half the MLE they're not even using the whole thing...


I would hope they just aren't spending it all. :lol Giving Elson more money than Butler would be odd.

[Mr. Body]

Question: Do the Knicks have to break into their MLE to sign him?

[violentkitten]

A 3-year, $7M deal works out to a starting salary of $2.15M with 8% raises. I'm surprised Butler went for it, actually. A number of teams were after him. Perhaps everyone else realized that the Knicks would match.

:shootme

What's scary is what happened to the other part of the MLE? The bigger part. Hopefully the Spurs didn't offer it all to Elson. That'd be $10.5M over three years or $7.3M over two years.

:depressed

look on the bright side, the spurs didn't have a draft pick this year and they have no way to land a big capable of playing perimeter defense. also, no malik rose!!!!!

:spin

[Buddy Holly]

The contract is believed to be worth about $7 million over three years.

Too vauge. And its the NYPost... not the most reliable source.

[violentkitten]

Question: Do the Knicks have to break into their MLE to sign him?

no. he's an early bird rights free agent.

3 years/$7 mil. way to throw down the gauntlet and land a promising young bigman.

[timvp]

Question: Do the Knicks have to break into their MLE to sign him?

No, they have his bird rights.

[violentkitten]

I would hope they just aren't spending it all. :lol Giving Elson more money than Butler would be odd.


and i predict a majority of spurs fans would defend it to their death.

[timvp]

n3 years/$7 mil. way to throw down the gauntlet and land a promising young bigman.

:lol

Hey, it's better than the 2-year, $3M offer they gave to Zo :rollin

Next perhaps the Spurs will offer $10M to a free agent.

Naw, let's not get crazy. This is the Spurs, after all.

[CavsFan89]

For some reason in all the articles I read, it doesnt say he signed the offer sheet.

[Kori Ellis]

Perhaps the Spurs are trying to split the MLE among THREE players :drunk

[Leetonidas]

It hasn't been officialy confirmed yet (the offer) though, right?

[timvp]

If the Spurs offered a contract in the $12M-$15M range, they had a decent chance. $7M?

They'd be dumb not to match.

[CavsFan89]

For some reason in all the articles I read, it doesnt say he signed the offer sheet.

Wait nevermind it was hidden up top

[Kori Ellis]

For some reason in all the articles I read, it doesnt say he signed the offer sheet.

Go back 2 pages.


Jackie Butler, who finished last season as the Knicks’ crunch-time center, has signed an offer sheet with the San Antonio Spurs.

The contract is believed to be worth about $7 million over three years.

[violentkitten]

:lol

Hey, it's better than the 2-year, $3M offer they gave to Zo :rollin

Next perhaps the Spurs will offer $10M to a free agent.

Naw, let's not get crazy. This is the Spurs, after all.


funny thing is that such a deal would cost the knicks $14 mil while after federal, state, and local taxes plus cost of living in ny butler would take home like $35 grand.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

If we end up overpaying ~10M for a player of aaron williams like capabilities, there can no longer be any doubt this front office has begun to inject crack and smack mixtures.

[Mr. Body]

Perhaps the Spurs are trying to split the MLE among THREE players :drunk

"Hey, Robbie Baby! How does 368,450 dollars and... uh... 33, no, 34 cents sound?"

[violentkitten]

where are all the fans of the ownership's frugal ways now?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I heard if this doesn't work out we're going to offer Reggie Evans the minimum.

[leemajors]

where are all the fans of the ownership's frugal ways now?

BREATHIN DOWN YO NECK!

[violentkitten]

BREATHIN DOWN YO NECK!

um ok

[timvp]

But the Knicks have 14 players with guaranteed contracts, and — if Curry and James are healthy and in shape — little use for another big man. Rather than extend a contract offer, the Knicks told Glass he should get the best deal he could and let them decide whether to match it.

“They said, ‘Look, it’s nothing personal, but you’re going to have to bring us something,’ ” Glass said.


http://www.christianboard.com/cboard/images/smiles/cross_pray.gif

[leemajors]

um ok

any time is a good time for Dolemite quotes, scrub.

[violentkitten]

dude youre so cool

[Rescueone]

So what happens to the dumping of Nazr and Rasho's $$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS per year?

[furry_spurry]

Actually, the Knicks finally did something smart-- let another team set the value of their RFA- which is apparently less than what most would have thought. I would be very surprised if the Knicks don't match. As for players asking teams not to match- that does not work. If a player wants out bad enough, he'll stay for one more year and become unrestricted- like Rasho did in Minneosta.

[timvp]

So what happens to the dumping of Nazr and Rasho's $$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS per year?

Holt's bank account.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

3 years, $7 million????

That's like 6 games' salary for their stable of point guards. They'll match that with the Franchise's strip club tip money.

[violentkitten]

So what happens to the dumping of Nazr and Rasho's $$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS per year?

good question.

[ducks]

it will be used to keep the spurs in sa

[furry_spurry]

The goal was to avoid luxury tax- not free up money to spend.

[ducks]

holt is like every other owner except for knicks
and dolan also has closed the checkbook
pistons owner will not pay the tax
suns owner will not pay the tax

[leemajors]

dude youre so cool

i try not to sound like a broken record, i guess it helps?

[violentkitten]

The goal was to avoid luxury tax- not free up money to spend.

yeah, who cares about trying to win