Lost....What is up with the "Others"?

[JudynTX]

I better see real pirates from Blackrock next week.

And WTF is up with those miners? And the doctor making those Dharma video's, was he on the island? :wow

[I Love Me Some Me]

:bang Ok, I don't know if I like where this Season is going.......shit! :lol

Now we get to figure out whenever the island moves if it's going backwards or forwards.

The island's not moving in time...the people on the island are. Except for those who are indigenous to the island (Richard and folk).

[JudynTX]

The island's not moving in time...the people on the island are. Except for those who are indigenous to the island (Richard and folk).

Finally someone to talk LOST with me. :lol

Ok, whoever's moving....it's going to make me dizzy. How did Richard find Locke? And who were those Englishmen with guns saying "what are you doing on our island"? Past Others from the 19th century? I'm sooooooooo LOST.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Finally someone to talk LOST with me. :lol

Ok, whoever's moving....it's going to make me dizzy. How did Richard find Locke? And who were those Englishmen with guns saying "what are you doing on our island"? Past Others from the 19th century? I'm sooooooooo LOST.

Richard...my guess is that he found out where Ethan encountered Locke, and went there to meet up with him.

The gun-toting maniacs...I have no idea, it probably depends on what time they were in.

[JudynTX]

lol @ maniacs

So who do you think is asking for a sample of Aaron & Kate's blood, Claire's mom? It has to be, right?

So the Oceanic 6 have to get back to the island because????????????????

[Blake]

if the island isn't moving, then why did it seem to disappear to the Six?

I wish they would close a few doors before opening more.

Did anyone else call it that the whiny dude Neal was gonna get axed? :lol "Where's the fire?"

I also wish they would explain more about that Asian guy that can talk to ghosts. I guess that's how he was able to find the dead boar so fast?

Also, was that lady that Ben was talking to the same one that appeared to be in charge when they first threw Kate and Sawyer in the cages and had Jack operate on Ben?

[Blake]

I also guess they don't need Walt and his special abilities any more.....

I wonder if we'll ever see Roger Mason......errr......Michael ever again

[JudynTX]

Did anyone else call it that the whiny dude Neal was gonna get axed? :lol "Where's the fire?"

I thought his head was going to explode. :lol


I also wish they would explain more about that Asian guy that can talk to ghosts. I guess that's how he was able to find the dead boar so fast?

Doesn't he resemble the doctor making the Orientation films? Related?


Also, was that lady that Ben was talking to the same one that appeared to be in charge when they first threw Kate and Sawyer in the cages and had Jack operate on Ben?

I don't recall her face.

And Hurley screwed up and got arrested.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Also, was that lady that Ben was talking to the same one that appeared to be in charge when they first threw Kate and Sawyer in the cages and had Jack operate on Ben?

IIRC, that was that same old lady that worked in that jewelry shop that Desmond bought Penny's ring from.


I also guess they don't need Walt and his special abilities any more.....

I wonder if we'll ever see Roger Mason......errr......Michael ever again

I'm pretty sure we'll see walt again, and Michael is dead (although he'll make some flashback appearances). Remember Shepherd told him he was done, he could go now...the KABOOM, C-4 in teh face.

[sonic21]

Also, was that lady that Ben was talking to the same one that appeared to be in charge when they first threw Kate and Sawyer in the cages and had Jack operate on Ben?

i think she appeared in a Desmond centric episode in season 3.

season 3 episode 8 "Flashes Before your eyes"

[I Love Me Some Me]

Did anyone else notice that Dr. Marvin Candle is actually named Dr. Chang?

[Blake]

we didn't really see Michael or Jin die.

I think the writers did that on purpose in case they wanted to pull them back later.

I'm pretty sure Hurley doesn't stay in jail very long.

[FreeMason]

Who was the lady at the end???

They made it look like she was a past character the audience was suppose to recognize, but Lost seasons are so far apart from one another I don't remember her.

edit: yeah you might be right on the jeweler.

[JudynTX]

Are you sure the lady in the jewelry store wasn't Daniels mom? She was the one doing the physics on the chalkboard.

[Blake]

any reason they showed the baby at the beginning? Is that Sun?

Am I the only one that also hopes they get rid of that annoying red head? I was happy when she started getting the nose bleed

[JudynTX]

Am I the only one that also hopes they get rid of that annoying red head? I was happy when she started getting the nose bleed

Sawyer called her Ginger. :lol:lol Love those nicknames he gives to everyone.

[FreeMason]

I think the main thing going on is whoever controls the island is someone we have already seen (in some time) and has orchestrated ALL of this to change something that happened in the past.

[sonic21]

the actress is Fionnula Flanagan.
In the desmond-centric, her name was Miss Hawking

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fionnula_Flanagan

[Blake]

I think the main thing going on is whoever controls the island is someone we have already seen (in some time) and has orchestrated ALL of this to change something that happened in the past.

I guess the someone that is trying to change the past is someone that is not aware that you apparently can't change events in time.

unless you are Desmond, I guess.

[FreeMason]

You can change the past, I think. Although, I've only seen the first two episodes one time. The physics guy told Sawyer not to open the hatch b/c he'd screw stuff up, then once Sawyer left he opened the hatch.

Whatever happened the first time did not involve the 815 people; as in the plane never crashed. They were brought to the island this go around to change something imo.

Shit, I don't know. :lol :downspin:

I'm glad Desmond seems to play a HUGE role in the future of the series. Good character.

[Blake]

You can change the past, I think. Although, I've only seen the first two episodes one time. The physics guy told Sawyer not to open the hatch b/c he'd screw stuff up, then once Sawyer left he opened the hatch.

Whatever happened the first time did not involve the 815 people; as in the plane never crashed. They were brought to the island this go around to change something imo.

I'm glad Desmond seems to play a HUGE role in the future of the series. Good character.

ehh......not sure about how much an actually be changed....

the only thing that has been made crystal clear is that once someone is supposed to die, you can't change the fact that he's supposed to die......
a guy like Desmond can apparently postpone it for a while and maybe change the way a person dies........but not change the fact that the person dies soon.

[AFBlue]

Lost is stupid.

Now they are going to take us on this lame clusterf@#% timetravel time-line for a couple seasons...

Well they only have a contract through Season 6 at this point, and based on quotes from the show's creators it is supposed to be a show with a shorter timeline.

[AFBlue]

The island's not moving in time...the people on the island are. Except for those who are indigenous to the island (Richard and folk).

Yeah I noticed that the "indigenous" people didn't move....and my theory is that they didn't move w/ the island b/c they're already dead.

[AFBlue]

lol @ maniacs

So who do you think is asking for a sample of Aaron & Kate's blood, Claire's mom? It has to be, right?

So the Oceanic 6 have to get back to the island because????????????????

I think Ben sicked the lawyers on Kate because he knew she'd run. It would make her more likely to go back to the island.

As for why everyone has to go back...still trying to figure tha tone out.

[AFBlue]

I also guess they don't need Walt and his special abilities any more.....

I wonder if we'll ever see Roger Mason......errr......Michael ever again

They seem to be framing a few characters as "unique" or special...

By my count I've heard that characteristic given to:

Locke (miraculously walking)
Desmond (Farraday told him)
Hurley (saw cabin/sees ghosts)
Michael

And the obvious one is Jack, though no one says he's unique or special it's clear that he has a profound effect on what goes on with the island.

[AFBlue]

All in all, I thought it was a great first episode. There are still alot of questions to be answered, but I heard the creators say in the pre-episode that answers would start to come with more regularity. That pretty much jives with the fact that they have only this season and the next to wrap things up....not alot of time for a show this complex.

Personally, I'm hoping they don't spend the ENTIRE season trying to locate the island and get the people back on it...maybe just half the season.

But I guess only time will tell.

[exstatic]

They seem to be framing a few characters as "unique" or special...

By my count I've heard that characteristic given to:

Locke (miraculously walking)
Desmond (Farraday told him)
Hurley (saw cabin/sees ghosts)
Michael

And the obvious one is Jack, though no one says he's unique or special it's clear that he has a profound effect on what goes on with the island.

Interesting. I never remember Michael being "special". The island only interacted with him because of the atonement angle for having killed Libby and Anna Lucia, and it needing a mole to sabotage the freighter mission. Walt was the special one in that family. John even mentioned it early on in season one.

Of all the islanders, Jack is the LEAST "special" of the major characters. Other than seeing his father very early on, he never interacts with the island or really believes any of the people that do, or what they say. He's the rational component, with Locke being the irrational.

Locke and Hurley appear to have the strongest connection with the island. Both of them have seen numerous ghost manifestations of the island. I also think that it's not a coincidence that they are both pretty fucked in the head. :lol I'll be interested in seeing if John has as strong a connection to the island while back in the real world as Hurley has.

[Blake]

I think Ben sicked the lawyers on Kate because he knew she'd run. It would make her more likely to go back to the island.

As for why everyone has to go back...still trying to figure tha tone out.

good theory

[Blake]

They seem to be framing a few characters as "unique" or special...

By my count I've heard that characteristic given to:

Locke (miraculously walking)
Desmond (Farraday told him)
Hurley (saw cabin/sees ghosts)
Michael

And the obvious one is Jack, though no one says he's unique or special it's clear that he has a profound effect on what goes on with the island.

don't forget that the Asian 'mercenary' can also see ghosts, although there is no apparent purpose yet for him to be able to do so.

and I think you mean Walt instead of Michael

[Kermit]

the actress is Fionnula Flanagan.
In the desmond-centric, her name was Miss Hawking

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fionnula_Flanagan

Goddammit. Am I on ignore?

[I Love Me Some Me]

Yeah I noticed that the "indigenous" people didn't move....and my theory is that they didn't move w/ the island b/c they're already dead.

I thought I remember reading at one point that the writers/producers said that they were not dead. I could be wrong about that....

[Reck]

All in all, I thought it was a great first episode. There are still alot of questions to be answered, but I heard the creators say in the pre-episode that answers would start to come with more regularity. That pretty much jives with the fact that they have only this season and the next to wrap things up....not alot of time for a show this complex.

Personally, I'm hoping they don't spend the ENTIRE season trying to locate the island and get the people back on it...maybe just half the season.

But I guess only time will tell.

The producers said on an interview that they will all reunite by the mid season. My guess that will be around ep 7 or 8 since this season is only like 15 or 16 episodes long.

[Reck]

On another note, Hurley came off as an annoying fool on the first 2 episodes. Or at least I think so.

The dude overreacts to everything.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So does this show still suck?

[The Reckoning]

So does this show still suck?


yes

Gilligans Island >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost

[JudynTX]

We'll see what shenanigans happen tonight.

[Blake]

We'll see what shenanigans happen tonight.

"shenanigans"?

did the island transport you back to 1959?

:lol

[JudynTX]

"shenanigans"?

did the island transport you back to 1959?

:lol

:lol No, 1983.

[FreeMason]

On another note, Hurley came off as an annoying fool on the first 2 episodes. Or at least I think so.

The dude overreacts to everything.

Hurley is a fun character but he can't carry an entire episode.

[FreeMason]

wtf Time Warner my ABC is frozen!

[Blake]

wtf Time Warner my ABC is frozen!

yeah, this sucks...

[Blake]

turn it to channel 40 (cspan 2)

....that frozen dude looks funny

[FreeMason]

HD, 112 was working.

Great episode imfo. Lots of good info and an added puzzle piece (spoiler...........................the bomb).

I initially viewed the time-travel aspect as a "jumping the shark" moment for the series but it is actually great. It gives you loads of info on what is going on just by knowing how diff chars react depending which time they are in.

[Reck]

HD, 112 was working.

Great episode imfo. Lots of good info and an added puzzle piece (spoiler...........................the bomb).

I initially viewed the time-travel aspect as a "jumping the shark" moment for the series but it is actually great. It gives you loads of info on what is going on just by knowing how diff chars react depending which time they are in.

Agreed. This episode was very satisfying.

The producers are really patching things up now. Beginning to see things alot clearer now. I hope they keep doing this throughtout the season. No more damn questions or mysteries.

[Melmart1]

Desmond named his son Charlie :cry

[jaffies]

That sonofabitch did look a lot like Charles Widmore.

[Xylus]

The Widmore reveal knocked me out of my seat. I theorized that it was Charlotte's father, but obviously I was wrong.

Usually I gag when fictional characters name their children after another character that died, but I thought Desmond naming his son Charlie was very appropriate, a nice tribute to the character.

[rAm]

The Widmore reveal knocked me out of my seat. I theorized that it was Charlotte's father, but obviously I was wrong.

Usually I gag when fictional characters name their children after another character that died, but I thought Desmond naming his son Charlie was very appropriate, a nice tribute to the character.

Agreed. It kind of brings him alive again.

[bostonguy]

The time travel stuff is really mind fucking me. It is making sense though and it is slowly starting to pick up. Next weeks episode already looks intriguing. This is my first time following the show on a week to week basis. Over this past summer I watched all 4 seasons. Im hooked to this show and I expect shit to keep getting better.

[bostonguy]

Ben is also my favorite character. I love how he is so great at manipulating people. I cant wait to see how things evolve with him getting everyone to come back to the Island.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Now we know why Alpert went to visit Locke when he was on the incubator in the hospital (Locke told him to). He also visited Locke as a child and presented him with several items (a knife, THE compass, and a glass of sand) and asked Locke to choose which one belonged to him. Locke chose the knife, and Richard was dissapointed.

[sonic21]

this was a very good episode.
I don't mind the absence of the oceanic 6, i'm more interested in what's happening on the island.

And Desmond is my favourite character.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Another thing that I thought was interesting was that Richard (and crew) did not notice the flash of light that accompanied the time jump Locke was about to make.

[JudynTX]

Desmond named his son Charlie :cry

F U Time Warner!:ihit I had to watch it online.

Anyway......I :cry too when I heard him say Charlie.

The woman Desmond went to go visit, the one in the hospital bed, is she the same chick with the braids holding a gun on Charlotte/Asian Guy/Faraday?

[jack sommerset]

I never understood why anyone watched this show. Just tease after tease after tease. My wife loves it. I stopped after the 2nd season. I can't stand soaps.

[FreeMason]

It was great seeing Richard not knowing wtf was going on.

[sonic21]

ok so we know Widmore was on the island, along with that chick who held Faraday hostage.
what if, this young girl was Faraday's mom, aka possibly,the woman at the end of the 2nd episode ? He did tell her she was familiar.

Richard called her "Ellie" and Faraday named his rat Eloise.

[JudynTX]

I can't believe this show will end next year. :(

[Richard Cranium]

I can't believe this show will end next year. :(

Don't worry, there will be others.

[JudynTX]

Don't worry, there will be others.

:lol

Seriously though, this show is just greatness. I will end up watching Season 1-6 over and over again just to get my LOST fix.

[Reck]

I actually want this show to end. lol

I'm too much into it. Its making me look like a serious nerd. Haha.

But I dont see how any other shows are gonna top Lost when its all done.

[sonic21]

BUMP

episode 4: little prince

ok a little theory:
what if, the young "other" girl was Faraday's mom aka (possibly) the woman at the end of the 2nd episode ? He did tell her she was familiar.

Richard called her "Ellie" and Faraday named his rat Eloise.

[JudynTX]

I knew Ben was the one behind the Kate ordeal. He had to get her back to the island somehow. Why did Sawyer see that scene with Kate & Claire? What's up with the nosebleeds?

Am I the only one who knew that male nurse wasn't a real nurse? Who sent that guy to kill Sayid, Ben? :bang

[MannyIsGod]

Holy shit @ Jin last night. When I heard the french voices I was like watch here comes Russo.. Then bam pregnant woman. THEN BAM SHE SAYS SHE'S RUSSO.

Solid season so far.

[JudynTX]

Holy shit @ Jin last night. When I heard the french voices I was like watch here comes Russo.. Then bam pregnant woman. THEN BAM SHE SAYS SHE'S RUSSO.

Solid season so far.

Yea dude.............seeing Jin totally caught me off guard. :wow And how does Ben know he's alive? Looks like he tries to convince Sun in next week's episode.

I love this show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FreeMason]

Damn this time travel plot. It is a genius way to play out the rest of the series but it is hard to play along.

You pretty much have to watch the entire series from the pilot after every new episode to pick up on new things. And then the way the writers throw in misc. clues that have nothing to do with the final solution as a means to keeping the die hard fans busy is equally as genius. These writers are in another league.

[AFBlue]

Damn this time travel plot. It is a genius way to play out the rest of the series but it is hard to play along.

You pretty much have to watch the entire series from the pilot after every new episode to pick up on new things. And then the way the writers throw in misc. clues that have nothing to do with the final solution as a means to keeping the die hard fans busy is equally as genius. These writers are in another league.

It's a double-edged sword...you can appreciate the intricacies and how they tie everything in together, but it's so damn confusing.

I was talking about last night's episode with a friend of mine and we had a hard time remembering when the Frenchies found you know who and where Sawyer's crew was at the time.

Still, I can't help but sit in awe as it all unfolds. They haven't had a "wasted" show in so long I can't remember, and I fully expect for that trend to continue.

[AFBlue]

Holy shit @ Jin last night. When I heard the french voices I was like watch here comes Russo.. Then bam pregnant woman. THEN BAM SHE SAYS SHE'S RUSSO.

Solid season so far.

Shocker of the season so far! I mean, I thought they would show it one way or the other, but I didn't think it would come so soon. Definitely made that episode.

[AFBlue]

And how does Ben know he's alive? Looks like he tries to convince Sun in next week's episode.

My first thought was that Ben is bluffing, but my friend has an interesting theory...and it involves Russo.

He thinks that Ben saw Jin with the Frenchies when he snatched Russo's baby. Obviously that would mean she has to pop soon, b/c the flashes don't last too long...but I thought it was an interesting theory.

So, if Ben sees Jin 16yrs in the past, he connects the dots in the future when the island moves.

[jaffies]

how does Ben know he's alive?

because Jin can't die. He hasn't fulfilled his destiny yet, and Ben knows that.

Just like Michael couldn't die until he got on Widmore's boat and set up the chain of events that he caused. Just like Locke can't die until he goes on to do what he will do (albeit probably by future Locke...in the past!).

[FreeMason]

Eventually they will have to show the pirates/slavers from that BlackRock ship right? I hope that is a good ep.

Does anyone else think all these people in the states who are helping Ben (the meat market lady, the lawyer, etc) are from the island also? Kind of like Whidmore.

[JudynTX]

My first thought was that Ben is bluffing, but my friend has an interesting theory...and it involves Russo.

He thinks that Ben saw Jin with the Frenchies when he snatched Russo's baby. Obviously that would mean she has to pop soon, b/c the flashes don't last too long...but I thought it was an interesting theory.

So, if Ben sees Jin 16yrs in the past, he connects the dots in the future when the island moves.

That's a neat theory, but...isn't Ben suppose to be the father of Russo's baby?


because Jin can't die. He hasn't fulfilled his destiny yet, and Ben knows that.

Just like Michael couldn't die until he got on Widmore's boat and set up the chain of events that he caused. Just like Locke can't die until he goes on to do what he will do (albeit probably by future Locke...in the past!).

That makes sense. :wow

[Extra Stout]

Holy shit @ Jin last night. When I heard the french voices I was like watch here comes Russo.. Then bam pregnant woman. THEN BAM SHE SAYS SHE'S RUSSO.

Solid season so far.
Do you mean Rousseau, or were you expecting Rene Russo to be a guest star?

[AFBlue]

That's a neat theory, but...isn't Ben suppose to be the father of Russo's baby?

He's not her biological father...he stole the baby from Russeau after she had given birth.

[JudynTX]

He's not her biological father...he stole the baby from Russeau after she had given birth.

Oh that's right, I remember Russeau telling her story of how her baby was taken from her and how the Frenchies died. That happened in Season 2 I think.

[Brickhouse]

BUMP

episode 4: little prince

ok a little theory:
what if, the young "other" girl was Faraday's mom aka (possibly) the woman at the end of the 2nd episode ? He did tell her she was familiar.

Richard called her "Ellie" and Faraday named his rat Eloise.

Yeah, he also said she looked familiar to him.


The nosebleeds are for those who have been on the island for a long time and haven't connected with their "constant"

Solid season so far, the Widmore and Richard/Locke reveal were the best.

All the off-island stuff drags though, especially with the shitty storyline between Kate and Aaron. He isn't her son and damn she's gotten more and more annoying.

[jaffies]

... especially with the shitty storyline between Kate and Aaron. He isn't her son and damn she's gotten more and more annoying.

+1,000

Kate is the only thing wrong with this show.

Her storyline should be over, can't they kill her off?

I used to think that the only reason they are keeping her alive is because they're gonna reveal that she is behind all the weird things that happen on the island, or she was some extremely integral part of the island's beginning. But that theory has gone out the window, and I have no clue why she's still alive. I hate that they keep forcing her shitty story on us and trying to make us interested in such a crappy character.

Analogy...Lost is like the Mona Lisa, and Kate is like if da Vinci decided to give her a lazy eye!!!

[AFBlue]

+1,000

Kate is the only thing wrong with this show.

Her storyline should be over, can't they kill her off?

I used to think that the only reason they are keeping her alive is because they're gonna reveal that she is behind all the weird things that happen on the island, or she was some extremely integral part of the island's beginning. But that theory has gone out the window, and I have no clue why she's still alive. I hate that they keep forcing her shitty story on us and trying to make us interested in such a crappy character.

Analogy...Lost is like the Mona Lisa, and Kate is like if da Vinci decided to give her a lazy eye!!!

:lol

My buddy was talking about Kate the other day. See, he's a guy that caught up to the current season mostly through DVDs, and he laughed that Kate was almost constantly the reason why the group was in trouble.

She's always going off to track someone (and inevitably gets caught) or she just stays in a constant state of flux as either Jack or Sawyer's emotional baggage. I swear to God, the only reason they're keeping her alive is so they can make sure Jack, Sawyer, and the rest of the cast have some trouble to get out of.

She really is absolutely worthless as a character!

Having said all that, she's hot (especially off-island Kate) and her involvement should keep the show interesting to conclusion.

[Brickhouse]

:lol

My buddy was talking about Kate the other day. See, he's a guy that caught up to the current season mostly through DVDs, and he laughed that Kate was almost constantly the reason why the group was in trouble.

She's always going off to track someone (and inevitably gets caught) or she just stays in a constant state of flux as either Jack or Sawyer's emotional baggage. I swear to God, the only reason they're keeping her alive is so they can make sure Jack, Sawyer, and the rest of the cast have some trouble to get out of.

She really is absolutely worthless as a character!

Having said all that, she's hot (especially off-island Kate) and her involvement should keep the show interesting to conclusion.

Her only purpose is as a booty call for Jack and Sawyer in their shitty soap opera romantic triangle. If she kept her mouth shut and stayed in the background, then I could enjoy her as the island whore that she essentially is. Too bad, they force her as a lead character who is one whiny, annoying bitch.



I never understood why anyone watched this show. Just tease after tease after tease. That's why I'm glad there is a set ending- this season and just one more.

[Blake]

we didn't really see Michael or Jin die.

I think the writers did that on purpose in case they wanted to pull them back later.


yessir

[Reck]

I agree that Kate is an annoying character but dont expect the producers to kill her off as she is the second lead character of the show. It will probably be till the end for her to die..if she ever will on camera.

I'll tell you who will die within the next few episodes...Juliet.

She's truly done I feel. Her story is all done. No real reason to have her on the show anymore.

[JudynTX]

yessir

Blake called it. :lol

[ATRAIN]

I agree that Kate is an annoying character but dont expect the producers to kill her off as she is the second lead character of the show. It will probably be till the end for her to die..if she ever will on camera.

I'll tell you who will die within the next few episodes...Juliet.

She's truly done I feel. Her story is all done. No real reason to have her on the show anymore.

I hope your wrong, I like looking at her rack

[Blake]

I'll tell you who will die within the next few episodes...Juliet.

She's truly done I feel. Her story is all done. No real reason to have her on the show anymore.

Doubt it. I think Ben is still in love with her and I think the writers try to make one last ditch effort to squeeze that back in somewhere.

The character I cannot stand and cannot wait for her to die off is that red headed chick with the nosebleeds. She's absolutely worthless.

[sonic21]

I agree that Kate is an annoying character but dont expect the producers to kill her off as she is the second lead character of the show. It will probably be till the end for her to die..if she ever will on camera.

I'll tell you who will die within the next few episodes...Juliet.

She's truly done I feel. Her story is all done. No real reason to have her on the show anymore.

i hope you're wrong about juliet, she's my favourite character with desmond and ben.

I think there's something going on between her and sawyer since the begining of the season, the producers will not kill her off anytime soon (i think).

[ATRAIN]

Doubt it. I think Ben is still in love with her and I think the writers try to make one last ditch effort to squeeze that back in somewhere.

The character I cannot stand and cannot wait for her to die off is that red headed chick with the nosebleeds. She's absolutely worthless.

I like looking at her rack too, she is worthless but she is hot. It might be time to kill off another chick though. Shannon, Libby, Anna Lucia, and Claire hahah damn chicks are lucky to survive on this show.

[sonic21]

I like looking at her rack too, she is worthless but she is hot. It might be time to kill off another chick though. Shannon, Libby, Anna Lucia, and Claire hahah damn chicks are lucky to survive on this show.

wait, Claire is dead?

[Blake]

wait, Claire is dead?

we can only hope

[Xylus]

It hasn't been indicated whether Claire is dead or not.

The theory is that she died in the explosion when Keamy's men attacked New Otherton, and the Claire that Sawyer rescued was a deceased version of her. This theory is strengthened by the fact that Miles kept giving Claire strange looks after this event, as if he detected something ghostly about her.

[Blake]

The Ten Most Worthless Characters of "Lost"

Published on Saturday January 24, 2009 01:53 AM CST

Yahoo TV recently declared Lost's 10 most worthless characters. They are the characters whose scenes we usually fast-forward through because they just don't have a lot to offer. They're not necessarily evil, most of them kick very little butt, their back-stories eat up precious screen time, and they require far too much hand-holding from the characters who are actually making themselves useful (or entertaining) on or off the island. We're calling them out because we know Jack just doesn't have the heart to. And besides, he's busy doing important things, which is more than we can say for these guys.

10. Michael
"Oops! I killed Libby!" When Michael wasn't running around wildly screaming "My son!" at anything with ears (annoying, but a great drinking game rule nonetheless), he was killing or betraying his fellow castaways for Walt's benefit. While we're on the subject of Walt, it should be noted that Michael is also the least fun dad ever. He wouldn't let Walt learn how to throw knives, even though all the cool kids on the island were doing it, and he dragged him on his shoddy raft tour of doom and kidnapping, the island's equivalent of a long and boring father-son fly fishing trip. Did we mention he's just no good?

9. Christian Shephard
When this guy was alive he liked to do things like perform surgeries whilst intoxicated, drunkenly botch them, and then try to guilt his son (Jack) into lying about it for him. This is the same son he spent a lifetime convincing that he was hopelessly inadequate by drilling the mantra "You just don't have what it takes" into his head, by the way. And that's just what he does to the kid he tells people about! He also has a secret family on another continent that he enjoyed violently threatening on rainy evenings from time to time. Now that he's un-dead (half-dead? Half-alive? It's anyone's guess), he's certainly become a much cooler character, but he haunts Jack for no good reason and he seems to have killed Claire, so he's still about a million miles away from sainthood in our book.

8. Kate
Kate's biggest problem is that she just can't follow instructions. Ignoring simple pleas like "Kate! Don't touch that!" or "Kate! Don't follow us!" have wound up causing a whole mess of problems, from getting her and Jack "caught in a net" once, to losing the Losties quite a few weapons to The Others back in Season 2, to, most recently, assuring a frantic wife, "Sun, you get the baby on the helicopter. I'll get Jin." -- moments later, Jin (ostensibly) blew up, and Kate was safe and sound in the air. Oh, and back on the mainland she got her cancer-curing, upstanding-citizen-minding-his-own-business of a childhood sweetheart shot to death when she stole his car with him in it to escape the fuzz. Short and simple, Kate ruins everything.

7. Charlie
Admittedly, Charlie offered some great comic relief at times, and he did do cool things every once in a while (killing Ethan to avenge Claire, rescuing Sayid's girlfriend from an alleyway robbery, drowning himself to save everyone, probably a couple other nice things we're forgetting). The downside is that all of that was negated by his never-effing-ending struggle with heroin, freakish obsession with Aaron, and the thinly veiled Oasis: Behind the Music that was his back story, all of which just got in the way of much more interesting plotlines. And while we're at it, "You All Everybody" is a far cry from "Wonderwall." A really far cry.

6. Claire
Claire is representative of the problems common among all of Lost's least compelling characters. She can't fight for herself, so she constantly needs to be protected and/or rescued, she can't hunt for herself, so she constantly needs to be provided for, and she's guilty (though to a lesser degree) of Michael's "My son!" syndrome when it comes to all things Aaron, which is more than a little grating after four seasons. Basically, she's the least kick-butt of any of the show's remaining major characters, which is just inexcusable when even Bernard has proven handy with a gun at this point. But at least we won't see her again until next season.

5. Shannon
Hey everyone, meet Shannon. She's very pretty and very rich, but aside from possessing a half-assed French proficiency and the ability to whine about anything and everything, she has no skills whatsoever. How did her brother feel when some jungle peyote caused him to hallucinate her gory demise? "Relieved." That's right. This girl was such a soul-crushing burden that even her own brother was relieved when he thought she'd been killed. And so were we, when she was finally offed for real.

4. Aaron
Is it just us, or is this little guy really not pulling his weight?

3. Sarah Shephard
While the "Happy Gilmore" fan in me says Julie Bowen can do no wrong, Sarah Shephard is the most boring part of the most boring back story in "Lost" history. While Sayid and the love of his life were torn apart by political strife, warfare and ultimately, murder, for instance, Jack and Sarah just kind of...grew apart. Because of...Jack's busy work schedule. While that kind of thing is undoubtedly relatable to many viewers, this isn't "Thirtysomething," it's "Lost". No one watches this show to see a bored rich housewife crying about being ignored. If that's the biggest problem in your life, character, you belong on another show.

2. Achara (That Bai Ling Character)
We get it -- Jack is weird about girls. This is a fact we all knew long before this episode aired and wasted everyone's time. We'd endured his painfully boring divorce, watched four full seasons of him trying to steal Kate away from Sawyer, and even enjoyed some chaste sexual tension with Ana Lucia and Juliet. Why, after all of that, did we have to sit through an entire flashback episode of him hooking up with a psychic Thai floozy on vacay? Because she gave him one of his tattoos? Yeah, because everyone was just dying to know where Jack's tattoos came from.

1. Nikki and Paolo
These two were so worthless they don't even deserve to be separate characters. A show like Lost should never, repeat, never have departure episodes. Not only did they halt much-needed exposition in the show's long story arcs, they also seriously messed with the viewers' collective sanities. Don't leave us with a cliffhanger like Ben seemingly teleporting Locke's dad to the island via an alleged "magic (fricking!) box" and then waste the entire next week on a cautionary tale against greed starring two characters (who die at the end of the episode, never to be heard from again) we've never heard of. It was just cruel and we clearly still haven't fully recovered. Perhaps we never will.

http://www.theallybox.com/stories/3615_The_Ten_Most_Worthless_Characters_of_Lost

[JudynTX]

Where's Vincent? :(

[Xylus]

I object to having Charlie on that list, especially after his epic (and very sad) death.

Also, Vincent swimming for the raft after it launches is one of the best moments in Lost history. "Vincent, go back!"

[ATRAIN]

The Ten Most Worthless Characters of "Lost"

Published on Saturday January 24, 2009 01:53 AM CST

Yahoo TV recently declared Lost's 10 most worthless characters. They are the characters whose scenes we usually fast-forward through because they just don't have a lot to offer. They're not necessarily evil, most of them kick very little butt, their back-stories eat up precious screen time, and they require far too much hand-holding from the characters who are actually making themselves useful (or entertaining) on or off the island. We're calling them out because we know Jack just doesn't have the heart to. And besides, he's busy doing important things, which is more than we can say for these guys.

10. Michael
"Oops! I killed Libby!" When Michael wasn't running around wildly screaming "My son!" at anything with ears (annoying, but a great drinking game rule nonetheless), he was killing or betraying his fellow castaways for Walt's benefit. While we're on the subject of Walt, it should be noted that Michael is also the least fun dad ever. He wouldn't let Walt learn how to throw knives, even though all the cool kids on the island were doing it, and he dragged him on his shoddy raft tour of doom and kidnapping, the island's equivalent of a long and boring father-son fly fishing trip. Did we mention he's just no good?

9. Christian Shephard
When this guy was alive he liked to do things like perform surgeries whilst intoxicated, drunkenly botch them, and then try to guilt his son (Jack) into lying about it for him. This is the same son he spent a lifetime convincing that he was hopelessly inadequate by drilling the mantra "You just don't have what it takes" into his head, by the way. And that's just what he does to the kid he tells people about! He also has a secret family on another continent that he enjoyed violently threatening on rainy evenings from time to time. Now that he's un-dead (half-dead? Half-alive? It's anyone's guess), he's certainly become a much cooler character, but he haunts Jack for no good reason and he seems to have killed Claire, so he's still about a million miles away from sainthood in our book.

8. Kate
Kate's biggest problem is that she just can't follow instructions. Ignoring simple pleas like "Kate! Don't touch that!" or "Kate! Don't follow us!" have wound up causing a whole mess of problems, from getting her and Jack "caught in a net" once, to losing the Losties quite a few weapons to The Others back in Season 2, to, most recently, assuring a frantic wife, "Sun, you get the baby on the helicopter. I'll get Jin." -- moments later, Jin (ostensibly) blew up, and Kate was safe and sound in the air. Oh, and back on the mainland she got her cancer-curing, upstanding-citizen-minding-his-own-business of a childhood sweetheart shot to death when she stole his car with him in it to escape the fuzz. Short and simple, Kate ruins everything.

7. Charlie
Admittedly, Charlie offered some great comic relief at times, and he did do cool things every once in a while (killing Ethan to avenge Claire, rescuing Sayid's girlfriend from an alleyway robbery, drowning himself to save everyone, probably a couple other nice things we're forgetting). The downside is that all of that was negated by his never-effing-ending struggle with heroin, freakish obsession with Aaron, and the thinly veiled Oasis: Behind the Music that was his back story, all of which just got in the way of much more interesting plotlines. And while we're at it, "You All Everybody" is a far cry from "Wonderwall." A really far cry.

6. Claire
Claire is representative of the problems common among all of Lost's least compelling characters. She can't fight for herself, so she constantly needs to be protected and/or rescued, she can't hunt for herself, so she constantly needs to be provided for, and she's guilty (though to a lesser degree) of Michael's "My son!" syndrome when it comes to all things Aaron, which is more than a little grating after four seasons. Basically, she's the least kick-butt of any of the show's remaining major characters, which is just inexcusable when even Bernard has proven handy with a gun at this point. But at least we won't see her again until next season.

5. Shannon
Hey everyone, meet Shannon. She's very pretty and very rich, but aside from possessing a half-assed French proficiency and the ability to whine about anything and everything, she has no skills whatsoever. How did her brother feel when some jungle peyote caused him to hallucinate her gory demise? "Relieved." That's right. This girl was such a soul-crushing burden that even her own brother was relieved when he thought she'd been killed. And so were we, when she was finally offed for real.

4. Aaron
Is it just us, or is this little guy really not pulling his weight?

3. Sarah Shephard
While the "Happy Gilmore" fan in me says Julie Bowen can do no wrong, Sarah Shephard is the most boring part of the most boring back story in "Lost" history. While Sayid and the love of his life were torn apart by political strife, warfare and ultimately, murder, for instance, Jack and Sarah just kind of...grew apart. Because of...Jack's busy work schedule. While that kind of thing is undoubtedly relatable to many viewers, this isn't "Thirtysomething," it's "Lost". No one watches this show to see a bored rich housewife crying about being ignored. If that's the biggest problem in your life, character, you belong on another show.

2. Achara (That Bai Ling Character)
We get it -- Jack is weird about girls. This is a fact we all knew long before this episode aired and wasted everyone's time. We'd endured his painfully boring divorce, watched four full seasons of him trying to steal Kate away from Sawyer, and even enjoyed some chaste sexual tension with Ana Lucia and Juliet. Why, after all of that, did we have to sit through an entire flashback episode of him hooking up with a psychic Thai floozy on vacay? Because she gave him one of his tattoos? Yeah, because everyone was just dying to know where Jack's tattoos came from.

1. Nikki and Paolo
These two were so worthless they don't even deserve to be separate characters. A show like Lost should never, repeat, never have departure episodes. Not only did they halt much-needed exposition in the show's long story arcs, they also seriously messed with the viewers' collective sanities. Don't leave us with a cliffhanger like Ben seemingly teleporting Locke's dad to the island via an alleged "magic (fricking!) box" and then waste the entire next week on a cautionary tale against greed starring two characters (who die at the end of the episode, never to be heard from again) we've never heard of. It was just cruel and we clearly still haven't fully recovered. Perhaps we never will.

http://www.theallybox.com/stories/3615_The_Ten_Most_Worthless_Characters_of_Lost

This list is stupid without Shannon number 1.

[ATRAIN]

Does anyone else wish they brought back Echo?

[Reck]

That list is retarded.

Christian Shepherd cannot be worthless just because he gave Jack a hard time. Plus way to judge a character pre-crash. Now that he seems to be with Jacob his character really has become mysterious and interesting.

Ok back on point...

Someone is supposed to die on the next episode. (As per tv advertisement for next ep)

This is what made me think that Juliet is next in line. I mean she began to have nosebleed+they say someONE will die next week.

I dont see, Sawyer, Daniel, Miles, or Charlotte dead yet just because we dont know what their story is yet.

[Blake]

This list is stupid without Shannon number 1.

No, I think they nailed #1.

but Shannon #2 seems right.

[JudynTX]

Does anyone else wish they brought back Echo?

No

[ATRAIN]

No, I think they nailed #1.

but Shannon #2 seems right.

Ok good point.

[Blake]

Does anyone else wish they brought back Echo?

I wish they never killed him off.

[FreeMason]

I would let Kate ruin me.

And Ecko should have never died. Total bs. They had to do it because Locke would have played 2nd/3rd fiddle in the bad ass department behind him and Sayid.

[Blake]

That list is retarded.

Christian Shepherd cannot be worthless just because he gave Jack a hard time. Plus way to judge a character pre-crash. Now that he seems to be with Jacob his character really has become mysterious and interesting.

Ok back on point...

Someone is supposed to die on the next episode. (As per tv advertisement for next ep)

This is what made me think that Juliet is next in line. I mean she began to have nosebleed+they say someONE will die next week.

I dont see, Sawyer, Daniel, Miles, or Charlotte dead yet just because we dont know what their story is yet.

maybe Locke is the one that's going to die next episode.....

[JudynTX]

What do you think smokey is? Besides smoke. :lol

[Blake]

Where's Vincent? :(

you don't remember when Hurley ate him?

[Reck]

The producers were with you all.

Eko was going to be a big important character but he wanted to be let go.

Adewale's (mr. eko) mom died and so he wanted to be let go off the show. Also he wanted to do other things, like make some movie which to this day hasn't happened yet.

[sonic21]

well, they didn't had the choice, the actor playing Eko wanted to leave

[Reck]

maybe Locke is the one that's going to die next episode.....


Doubt it.

He cant die on the island and on the real world.

[Blake]

What do you think smokey is? Besides smoke. :lol

and some kind of mechanical monster that Ben controls? who knows.....

I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to explain the polar bear from season 1. I bet it ends up being a very sucky explanation.

[Blake]

Doubt it.

He cant die on the island and on the real world.

pffft.

all he has to do is find the magic box that transports people around and poof........real world death.......

I got it........

Sun fires a bullet heading right for Ben...........only Locke pops in and takes the bullet instead.

right before Smokey pops in too and attends a Laker game.

[JudynTX]

Smokey is a Spurs fan!!!!!!

[Reck]

I dont know if most of you know about this kid on youtube, he mades this episode recaps and they are interesting. He's a lost freak nerd. lol

Also a Lakers fan. lol

His page
http://www.youtube.com/user/smolesiuk

[Extra Stout]

and some kind of mechanical monster that Ben controls? who knows.....

I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to explain the polar bear from season 1. I bet it ends up being a very sucky explanation.
They explained the polar bears back in Season 3. DHARMA brought polar bears to the satellite island as part of a study on genetic adaptation. The Others kept Kate and Sawyer in the bears' cages.

[tp2021]

I object to having Charlie on that list, especially after his epic (and very sad) death.


+1

[sonic21]

What do you think smokey is? Besides smoke. :lol

yeah i really want to know too.
there was flashes of Eko's life in the smoke when Eko was in front of smokey.

[Blake]

They explained the polar bears back in Season 3. DHARMA brought polar bears to the satellite island as part of a study on genetic adaptation. The Others kept Kate and Sawyer in the bears' cages.

ah yeah....

it had been so long.....

[JudynTX]

:wow I think Smokey makes an appearance in tonight's episode.

[Reck]

:wow I think Smokey makes an appearance in tonight's episode.

Yep it does.

And if the tradition of Lost holds up, we are going to learn something new about smokey.

[Blake]

smokey is really misunderstood and just wants someone to love him

[JudynTX]

Yep it does.

And if the tradition of Lost holds up, we are going to learn something new about smokey.

I hope so, I've been so anxious to find out what it is, if it's been there as long as the island has existed, etc.?

What do you think the 4-toed foot statue is?


smokey is really misunderstood and just wants someone to love him

I'll send IT a Valentine's Day card.

[sonic21]

What do you think the 4-toed foot statue is?


well, juliet was joking saying they were making a runway for the alien on the other island
so maybe ...:wow

[Blake]

oh man...........if this goes the way of E.T. like Indiana Jones did, I'm gonna be pissed.

[JudynTX]

well, juliet was joking saying they were making a runway for the alien on the other island
so maybe ...:wow

What???? Extraterrestrials? :bang Please tell me you are joking.

[Reck]

I hope so, I've been so anxious to find out what it is, if it's been there as long as the island has existed, etc.?

What do you think the 4-toed foot statue is?

Dont know if you already checked this out but if not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efXwF3aLv64&feature=channel_page

As for the 4-toed foot statue I think Richard and it are somehow connected. Who knows.

[JudynTX]

I'll watch that video later, thanks. That dude has alot of time on his hands, huh?

[Reck]

You could say that. lol

[FreeMason]

That old lady is creepy.

[Reck]

Wow best Lost episode ever so far.

[jaffies]

Wow best Lost episode ever so far.

This season? Or all seasons? Nothing (yet) tops season 1.

Freakin awesome episode, but for this season, I can't bring myself to rank it higher than 'Jughead'...maybe tied.

[FreeMason]

I thought this ep kinda sucked.

Nothing really happened until the last 5 minutes. I was disappointed that Jacob still took the form of Shepherd's dad :(

Or maybe that is the smoke monster taking that form, or maybe jacob is the smoke monster, who the hell knows haha

[Reck]

This season? Or all seasons? Nothing (yet) tops season 1.

Freakin awesome episode, but for this season, I can't bring myself to rank it higher than 'Jughead'...maybe tied.

The whole series.

Season 1 was a good season yes but the show has gotten only better excluding maybe season 2..at least in my opinion. (I hated season 2)


I thought this ep kinda sucked.

Nothing really happened until the last 5 minutes. I was disappointed that Jacob still took the form of Shepherd's dad :(

Or maybe that is the smoke monster taking that form, or maybe jacob is the smoke monster, who the hell knows haha

What do you mean nothing happened till the last minutes?

What about the Rousso scenes, the flashes happening more often, almost everyone getting nosebleeds, Charlotte's wierd personas and so on..

That episode was crazy entertaining.

[FreeMason]

We all knew what they showed throghout the episode.

The Smoke Monster is a security system..knew it.

What happened with Rousso we already knew about it.

Flashes happening more often, predictable.

Everyone getting nosebleeds, it was obvious that was only a matter of time.

The Charlotte thing was cool.

[Blake]

Doubt it. I think Ben is still in love with her and I think the writers try to make one last ditch effort to squeeze that back in somewhere.

The character I cannot stand and cannot wait for her to die off is that red headed chick with the nosebleeds. She's absolutely worthless.

thank you writers.....that death couldnt have come fast enough

[Blake]

the episode was ok.

nice of Desmond to pop in for 20 seconds.

[Reck]

We all knew what they showed throghout the episode.

The Smoke Monster is a security system..knew it.

What happened with Rousso we already knew about it.

Flashes happening more often, predictable.

Everyone getting nosebleeds, it was obvious that was only a matter of time.

The Charlotte thing was cool.

We saw the temple..or at least the entrance. But I agreed, we didn't learn nothing new per say.

But seen it happen and everything unfold was the fun part. Its like hearing a story is not the same as being able to actually witness it happen you know.

Overall, lots of things were going on and that was what made it a really good episode.

[jaffies]

We all knew what they showed throghout the episode.

The Smoke Monster is a security system..knew it.

What happened with Rousso we already knew about it.

Flashes happening more often, predictable.

Everyone getting nosebleeds, it was obvious that was only a matter of time.

The Charlotte thing was cool.

We didn't know how Montand lost his arm (mystery from season 1).

We didn't know Charlotte's childhood on the island.

We didn't know how Locke got off the island.

We didn't know there was a temple on the island that seems to be guarded by smokey.

We didn't know Locke was supposed to turn the wheel.

We didn't know Danielle's mention of 'the sickness' isn't the same 'sickness' Desmond had or the time-travelling losties have.

All in all, I think we learned a lot more than what we thought was already gonna happen.

[Shaolin-Style]

Well at least it's finally apparent why Russo was so paranoid. Smokey steals forms of people somehow, or makes them not act themselves or something.

[MannyIsGod]

Good episode but no where near the best of the series. Its not even top 5. Good episode though. This season is delivering.

[sonic21]

not the best, but good episode.
the best part was the conversation between locke and christian.

and i love desmond's reaction when he saw faraday's mother

[JudynTX]

That old lady is creepy.

She gives me the creeps too.





We didn't know Locke was supposed to turn the wheel.

Jacob (Christian) told Locke "he" had to move the island, not Ben. That means turning the wheel instead of Ben. Ben took it upon himself to move it. In other words, Locke still has unfinished business.


not the best, but good episode.
the best part was the conversation between locke and christian.

and i love desmond's reaction when he saw faraday's mother

Why couldn't Christian help Locke up or help him move the wheel? :bang

:lol

Good episode, in my opinion. So Faraday has been on the island before, according to Charlotte. I wonder what she meant by him being a bad guy back then?

[MannyIsGod]

She gives me the creeps too.



Lost usually has some pretty good casting (Heroes can learn a thing or 40) and that lady is spot on creepy.



Jacob (Christian) told Locke "he" had to move the island, not Ben. That means turning the wheel instead of Ben. Ben took it upon himself to move it. In other words, Locke still has unfinished business.


The first time the scene looked like straight out of the Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe (the CS Lewis link too) with the lampost and the wintery setting. This time not at all.



Why couldn't Christian help Locke up or help him move the wheel? :bang

:lol

I don't think he was really there.




Good episode, in my opinion. So Faraday has been on the island before, according to Charlotte. I wonder what she meant by him being a bad guy back then?

Probably because she was a child and was creeped out by him. Also - he hasnt' been there before because he hasn't done it yet. I assume its a futile attempt in the future to save her life.

[JudynTX]

I don't think he was really there.

Aha, the ghost of Christian!




Probably because she was a child and was creeped out by him. Also - he hasnt' been there before because he hasn't done it yet. I assume its a futile attempt in the future to save her life.

I wonder who her mother is? :wow I bet it's someone we know.

And Smokey made an appearance, am I the only one who saw an arm reach out when it was dragging that guy away?

[Reck]

Why couldn't Christian help Locke up or help him move the wheel? :bang



Probably because he was being tested.

Or needed to complete his task without any help as he was supposed to from the beginning.

[JudynTX]

Probably because he was being tested.

Or needed to complete his task without any help as he was supposed to from the beginning.

My sister shared a theory with me......


They are saying that Miles is the son of Dr.Marvin Candle (the doctor in the Orientation films). Remember the episode that showed him in bed w/his wife and the baby? That has to be Miles.

And remember the girl that had the rifle on Daniel? She has got to be Penny’s mother. Making Penny an islander too.

[Blake]

My sister shared a theory with me......


They are saying that Miles is the son of Dr.Marvin Candle (the doctor in the Orientation films). Remember the episode that showed him in bed w/his wife and the baby? That has to be Miles.

And remember the girl that had the rifle on Daniel? She has got to be Penny’s mother. Making Penny an islander too.


good theories. It might explain why Miles can see ghosts.

...and since we now know that Penny's dad used to be part of the "others" and seing Penny's apparent age, then her being an islander makes sense.

[Reck]

If Penny was an islander why doesn't she know it?

I mean her father obviously was so why would he keep that secret from her and not work together with her to try and go back there?

Miles in the other hand, has got to be that old man son.

[Blake]

If Penny was an islander why doesn't she know it?

I mean her father obviously was so why would he keep that secret from her and not work together with her to try and go back there?


she could have been born on the island but then Widmore may have left with her when she just a baby.

she may not have a clue about the island.


here's a thought based on what you said.....

we don't know anything about Penny's mom, right?

Widmore seems pretty obssessed with the island and it's time traveling capabilities but we really don't know his motives.........

maybe Widmore's wife was killed and he is trying to get control of the island to go back in time to get her back........

of course, that would mean he doesn't know about the rule that once someone is meant to die that there is no way to change that......

[AFBlue]

I think the best part of the show was at the end, with Ben's reaction to Desmond showing up....I don't think I've ever seen Ben surprised to see anyone or hear something unexpected, but you could see it in his face when Desmond said the piece about Farraday's mother.

Awesome.

[Reck]

of course, that would mean he doesn't know about the rule that once someone is meant to die that there is no way to change that......

Now that you mentioned that...

This is either a writer mistake or Daniel didn't know what he was talking about...

When Charlotte was about to die and tells him that she thought he was the scary man that told her not to come back to the island or she will die. Now if Dan knew he couldn't change the fact she died, then why would he go back to the past and do it anyways?

Seems to me that's a waste of time on his part.

[AFBlue]

Now that you mentioned that...

This is either a writer mistake or Daniel didn't know what he was talking about...

When Charlotte was about to die and tells him that she thought he was the scary man that told her not to come back to the island or she will die. Now if Dan knew he couldn't change the fact she died, then why would give go back to the past and do it anyways?

Seems to me that's a waste of time on his part.

This was one of the few inconsistencies I have noticed in 5 seasons of the show. It just flat doesn't make sense....why would he tell Charlotte not to come back when he knows full well she's going to.

Makes no sense, especially since he's a physicist specializing in time travel.

[Blake]

well, there's nothing that shows he knows the death rule.....

but I would think Widmore would know it....

[MannyIsGod]

Now that you mentioned that...

This is either a writer mistake or Daniel didn't know what he was talking about...

When Charlotte was about to die and tells him that she thought he was the scary man that told her not to come back to the island or she will die. Now if Dan knew he couldn't change the fact she died, then why would he go back to the past and do it anyways?

Seems to me that's a waste of time on his part.


This was one of the few inconsistencies I have noticed in 5 seasons of the show. It just flat doesn't make sense....why would he tell Charlotte not to come back when he knows full well she's going to.

Makes no sense, especially since he's a physicist specializing in time travel.

Its not really an inconsistency. He obviously loves her, so haven't you guys ever seen someone in love do something that is obviously futile?

[jaffies]

Now that you mentioned that...

This is either a writer mistake or Daniel didn't know what he was talking about...

When Charlotte was about to die and tells him that she thought he was the scary man that told her not to come back to the island or she will die. Now if Dan knew he couldn't change the fact she died, then why would he go back to the past and do it anyways?

Seems to me that's a waste of time on his part.


This was one of the few inconsistencies I have noticed in 5 seasons of the show. It just flat doesn't make sense....why would he tell Charlotte not to come back when he knows full well she's going to.

Makes no sense, especially since he's a physicist specializing in time travel.

I think the show has a lot of commentary on strong human emotions getting in the way of reason or morality.

Kinda like Michael's love for Walt. He would go to the ends of the earth to get his son back. Even if it meant murdering Anna Lucia and Libby (accident), shooting himself in the arm, freeing a known Other, and offering a easy capture of his fellow Losties just to get Walt back.

So, maybe Faraday's continued futile trips to the past with the intentions of changing it are his way of losing control of his rationalism. His more sane side of his thoughts say it's impossible, but he blindly wants to save Charlotte's life.

Ben is the perfect example of this behavior. His pride contributes to Alex being killed, he kills Keamy out of anger and detonates the bomb on the boat carrying everyone, his lust over Juliet kept her on the island, and generally most of the shit that he does on a continued daily basis.

[Reck]

I think the show has a lot of commentary on strong human emotions getting in the way of reason or morality.

Kinda like Michael's love for Walt. He would go to the ends of the earth to get his son back. Even if it meant murdering Anna Lucia and Libby (accident), shooting himself in the arm, freeing a known Other, and offering a easy capture of his fellow Losties just to get Walt back.

So, maybe Faraday's continued futile trips to the past with the intentions of changing it are his way of losing control of his rationalism. His more sane side of his thoughts say it's impossible, but he blindly wants to save Charlotte's life.

That's different.

Michael had a way to save his kid. Dan doesn't.

I'm going to reference the movie "The Time Machine" for this..

Its like that dude from that movie when he created the time machine to go back and save his girlfriend and he fails time and again. Fate= you cannot change.

Daniel knows this, so I dont think he would go through all that trouble knowing that he would fail in the end anyway.

See it like this...

If you know you cant survived in -50 cold wheather you wont try to go to that cold and surely die.

[MannyIsGod]

He loves her. He doesn't think rationally. Problem solved.

[Blake]

when jaffies mentioned Ben getting freed, it reminded me of Locke getting his leg stuck under the door.......which reminded of how he just fell down the well and broke his leg enough to have bone sticking out...........which reminded me of how he just got shot in the leg during one of the time flashes......which reminded me of how he fell out of the window and messed up his legs to begin with....

[JudynTX]

What do the numbers mean? 4 8 15 16 23 42

[Blake]

What do the numbers mean? 4 8 15 16 23 42

they've gotten away from those numbers, havent they.....

Oceanic 6:

Jack=4
Kate=8
Sun=15
Hurley=16
Sayid=23
Aaron=42

[Extra Stout]

What do the numbers mean? 4 8 15 16 23 42
That's Numberwang!

[FreeMason]

I think the numbers were just an early tool the writers used to keep hardcore fans distracted.

There were some crazy coincidences with the numbers early on in the series. They could be manipulated in coordinates to plot both the Island off the coast of Australia and also a spot in Nigeria (drug plane). It gave way to some crazy theories about what was going on before time travel was introduced.

[JudynTX]

they've gotten away from those numbers, havent they.....

Oceanic 6:

Jack=4
Kate=8
Sun=15
Hurley=16
Sayid=23
Aaron=42

All we know is they are the same numbers that won Hurley the lotto.

The clip they showed for next week's episode looks good, they have a spindle thingee and Faraday's mom says that's how they found the island to begin with! :wow

[Blake]

I think the numbers were just an early tool the writers used to keep hardcore fans distracted.

There were some crazy coincidences with the numbers early on in the series. They could be manipulated in coordinates to plot both the Island off the coast of Australia and also a spot in Nigeria (drug plane). It gave way to some crazy theories about what was going on before time travel was introduced.

I can't verify this off hand, but someone told me once that the writers from season 1 went on strike and so they had a bunch of scrubs coming up with crap in season 2.

The real writers came back in season 3 and had to try to fix the mess from season 2. It's why we haven't seen the numbers in a long long time.

[tp2021]

I bet Ben's "loose end" is killing Penny.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This show...Does it still suck?

[sonic21]

Ben, as usual, full of lies...his mother DID NOT teach him to read and he probably did know Locke committed suicide.

[sonic21]

I think that Ben might have just killed Penny?
"I've got a promise to keep with an old friend" He promised widmore that he'd avenge his "daughters" death by killing widmore's daughter.. didnt he? and he called from a payphone near some dock

[JudynTX]

I bet Ben's "loose end" is killing Penny.


I think that Ben might have just killed Penny?
"I've got a promise to keep with an old friend" He promised widmore that he'd avenge his "daughters" death by killing widmore's daughter.. didnt he? and he called from a payphone near some dock

He might have killed Penny, but it looks like he got his ass kicked, his face was all F'up. :wow

Faraday's mom still scares me. Kate asked Jack not to ever bring up Aaron again, so does that mean she gave him to Claire's mom?

Very weird all the scenarios needed to be the same. Jack taking his father/Locke in a coffin, Sayid being handcuffed by a US Marshall, and what about Frank - the freakin pilot! He says - "we aren't going to Guam, are we"? :lol

Good episode. :toast

[AFBlue]

Thoughts on last night's episode....

I thought it was jam-packed full of exciting twists and turns. In some ways, that was to the episode's detriment because it failed to setup the happenings in typical detailed LOST fashion.

But, I trust that they're going to answer all of the questions (i.e. how each of them ended up on the plane, where is Aaron, how did they "flash" onto the island instead of crash, did it REALLY have to be all of them, etc.). All things considered, I'd rather there was too much crammed into an episode than not enough.

Couple theories...

- Agree that Ben killed Penny. Everything that everyone has mentioned makes sense, and I seem to recall him calling from a payphone at/near water...maybe a dock? Clearly he did it to avenge his daughter's death, but I also think it serves as incentive for Desmond to come back to the island (avenge Penny by killing Ben). I also think there's an outside shot that Desmond leads the elder Widmore back to the island, maybe taking Widmore with him...on a boat? Most of that, of course, is wild speculation at this point.

- This one I haven't heard yet....the "very smart man" that Farraday's mother says built the dharma room with the swinging pendulum....I think it was Farraday himself. What lends to that theory is the fact that you've already seen Farraday in the past (beginning of episode 1) and it appears Jack & co. have landed on the island in the time of Dharma (70's).

Overall, I thought the episode was jam-packed with goodness and I can't wait for the continuation of that storyline (likely two weeks from now after they do the Locke episode next week).

[AFBlue]

Oh and I think Ben got his ass kicked by Desmond but somehow was able to escape alive and get on the plane before Desmond caught up with him. I can see that he wouldn't kill Desmond either, because Ben knows Desmond has more to do on the island.

[sonic21]

Ben must have set sayid up for a crime he hasnt commited and then thats why hes on the plane with a marshall, shes taking him back to the place he was meant to have commited the crime, which means they are on that plane. As for Hurley i think he is on because charlie has told him to go. I would really really like a flash where we get to see charlie again.

[JudynTX]

:tu Great episode last night!!!! Ben is a cold blooded killer, I'm almost positive he killed Penny too.

I don't know who to believe, Ben or Widmore, who's telling the truth? :bang

Of course Locke couldn't commit suicide, he had to be killed to go back to the island. Poof, then he shows up on the island - alive and well. I was wondering why they kept showing Ceasar and that other chick on the plane, so now they are the others?

Abaddon = Devil :wow

Abaddon (Hebrew אבדון Avaddon, Greek Apollyon, Latin Exterminans, Coptic Abbaton, meaning "A place of destruction", "The Destroyer", "Depths of Hell") in the Revelation of St. John, is the King of tormenting locusts and the angel of the bottomless pit. (KJV, Rev. 9:1-11). The exact nature of Abaddon is debated.

[Blake]

damn, I can't read any more......

I'm already two episodes behind now.........need to find some time to catch up...

[ATRAIN]

damn, I can't read any more......

I'm already two episodes behind now.........need to find some time to catch up...

Hulu that shit man

[ATRAIN]

:tu Great episode last night!!!! Ben is a cold blooded killer, I'm almost positive he killed Penny too.

I don't know who to believe, Ben or Widmore, who's telling the truth? :bang

Of course Locke couldn't commit suicide, he had to be killed to go back to the island. Poof, then he shows up on the island - alive and well. I was wondering why they kept showing Ceasar and that other chick on the plane, so now they are the others?

Abaddon = Devil :wow

Abaddon (Hebrew אבדון Avaddon, Greek Apollyon, Latin Exterminans, Coptic Abbaton, meaning "A place of destruction", "The Destroyer", "Depths of Hell") in the Revelation of St. John, is the King of tormenting locusts and the angel of the bottomless pit. (KJV, Rev. 9:1-11). The exact nature of Abaddon is debated.

Yeah I know what you mean its hard to tell who's side to trust. Ben is bad but so is Widmore. Its funny how all of the guys went back in time but Ben and Locke didnt. Why didnt Locke go back in time. OH yeah and WHAT war is coming and with who? Lost makes my brain hurt!!!!

[JudynTX]

Yeah I know what you mean its hard to tell who's side to trust. Ben is bad but so is Widmore. Its funny how all of the guys went back in time but Ben and Locke didnt.Why didnt Locke go back in time.

There's a theory out there that they are brothers. :wow


OH yeah and WHAT war is coming and with who? Lost makes my brain hurt!!!!

World War III?

[Blake]

Hulu that shit man

yeah, no can do at work though....

[ATRAIN]

There's a theory out there that they are brothers. :wow



World War III?

WOW that would be crazy

[JudynTX]

yeah, no can do at work though....

Blake, hurry and catch up. Shit's getting good. :D

[sonic21]

This episode was good, but i'm looking forward to next week when we'll have everyone together again...

did you notice how Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Walt failed to ask John how he got to where they are? Nobody asked him how he got off the island...

[AFBlue]

Yeah I know what you mean its hard to tell who's side to trust. Ben is bad but so is Widmore. Its funny how all of the guys went back in time but Ben and Locke didnt. Why didnt Locke go back in time. OH yeah and WHAT war is coming and with who? Lost makes my brain hurt!!!!

That's an easy answer....trust NEITHER! I think both are trying to get back to the island for their own selfish reasons and are manipulating anyone (including Locke) to accomplish their end-game.

I do like how they cast Widmore in this episode as the one who just cares about the island. You don't know enough about him to assume he's malicious because everything bad you've heard about him has come through Ben....who ALWAYS lies.

I liked the episode, but to be honest I'm pretty disappointed in Locke. He couldn't bring anyone back (even though I thought he didn't try) and ends up so distraught by his failure that he tries to kill himself...c'mon! This is the same dude that's knifing people in the back?

I'm sure the portrayal of him as a weakling has everything to do with the fact that he's off the island (and back in a wheelchair), but I'm hoping his death has helped him find his purpose/destiny...and to NOT trust Ben!

If not, he looks less like the leader of the others and more like a pawn in the power struggle between Widmore and Ben. But there's lots of LOST left and I can't wait to get back to the Oceanic 5's return to the island.

[AFBlue]

Oh, and I can't wait to see how Ben gets away with killing Locke now that both are alive and back on the island...should be good!

FWIW, I hope he at least suffers a flesh wound.

[mFFL03]

That's an easy answer....trust NEITHER! I think both are trying to get back to the island for their own selfish reasons and are manipulating anyone (including Locke) to accomplish their end-game.

I do like how they cast Widmore in this episode as the one who just cares about the island. You don't know enough about him to assume he's malicious because everything bad you've heard about him has come through Ben....who ALWAYS lies.

I liked the episode, but to be honest I'm pretty disappointed in Locke. He couldn't bring anyone back (even though I thought he didn't try) and ends up so distraught by his failure that he tries to kill himself...c'mon! This is the same dude that's knifing people in the back?

I'm sure the portrayal of him as a weakling has everything to do with the fact that he's off the island (and back in a wheelchair), but I'm hoping his death has helped him find his purpose/destiny...and to NOT trust Ben!

If not, he looks less like the leader of the others and more like a pawn in the power struggle between Widmore and Ben. But there's lots of LOST left and I can't wait to get back to the Oceanic 5's return to the island.

That guy who doesn't age told John to kill himself to convince everyone, remember? During one of the flashbacks.

[AFBlue]

That guy who doesn't age told John to kill himself to convince everyone, remember? During one of the flashbacks.

He didn't tell Locke to kill himself...he said he'd have to die.

And the way the story unfolded, it led you to believe that he arrived at his suicide as a natural course of his utter ineptitude to carry out his assigned job (get everyone back).

Locke is LOST when he's not on the island...I get it. But, when he is on the island is he much of a leader either? Again, it just makes me think he's more of a pawn in the scheme of things than an actual future leader of the others...though I'm sure he'll have a major impact in the outcome.

[Spurtacus]

Best show on TV. Another great episode Wed. night.

[tp2021]

Can someone explain to me how Locke is killed, but is alive on the island?

[AFBlue]

Can someone explain to me how Locke is killed, but is alive on the island?

Hasn't been explained.

My flimsy theory at this point...

If you assume they stopped shifting on the island back in the '70s, then all of them were alive in the real world at that time...including Locke. So, on the island at that time Locke is still alive b/c he doesn't die until 2008.

But it's tough to figure out the rules of time travel when you decipher it through characters on the show....characters with their own motives.

[spurs girl21]

I think they were both using locke although I wouldnt know who to trust on the show widmore or ben

[jaffies]

Can someone explain to me how Locke is killed, but is alive on the island?

I think John Locke is alive in the sense that Christian is alive.

[JudynTX]

Ok...ugh....weird episode. :lol

I knew Sawyer & Juliet would fall for each other. Too bad it won't last.

So Horace's wife gave birth to a baby boy? Who do you think it is?

[sonic21]

:lol @ sawyer speaking of richard:

"Your buddy out there with the eye liner"

This episode was ok, but it was just kind of a "filler" episode in a way. Just a time to catch the Losties still on the island up three years time so the Oceanic 6 can show up.

let's hope the Juliet/Sawyer thing is for real because I'm tired of the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle.

[JudynTX]

:lol @ sawyer speaking of richard:

"Your buddy out there with the eye liner"

:lol When did he say that? I missed it. Did you notice how much nicer Sawyer was? :)


This episode was ok, but it was just kind of a "filler" episode in a way. Just a time to catch the Losties still on the island up three years time so the Oceanic 6 can show up.

Can't wait for next week!


let's hope the Juliet/Sawyer thing is for real because I'm tired of the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle.

Yea, Kate needs to make up her mind.

[ATRAIN]

I liked yesterdays episode. Too bad we have to wait 2 weeks for a new ep.

[sonic21]

:lol When did he say that? I missed it. Did you notice how much nicer Sawyer was? :)

he said that to the dharma guy when he asked him if he could speak to richard.



Can't wait for next week!


no episode next week

:depressed

[JudynTX]

he said that to the dharma guy when he asked him if he could speak to richard.



no episode next week

:depressed

Damn it, that's right, we have to wait 2 wks, I wonder why? :ihit

[Xylus]

LaFleur was the best episode of the season so far.

[jaffies]

No mention of the Statue yet?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3143/imageefp.jpg

Sadly this will be the last we'll see of it for a long time.

[JudynTX]

No mention of the Statue yet?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3143/imageefp.jpg

Sadly this will be the last we'll see of it for a long time.

:tu A friend of mine mentioned that it was the statue of Egyptian God Anubis, notice the cross in his hand? It's similar to the one Amy took from her husband, it means eternal life. :)

Question is, how did the statue break, when all we are left to see are its toes?

[AFBlue]

:lol @ sawyer speaking of richard:

"Your buddy out there with the eye liner"

This episode was ok, but it was just kind of a "filler" episode in a way. Just a time to catch the Losties still on the island up three years time so the Oceanic 6 can show up.

let's hope the Juliet/Sawyer thing is for real because I'm tired of the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle.

I love it that Richard perpetually looks lost and has been demeaned this season...and I think it's intentional. I think it actually adds to his mystery...to make a guy who never ages seem ordinary confuses the crap out of me.

About the episode in general....it wasn't full of crazy twists and turns, but it gave me a warm fuzzy...very good overall. Agree that the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is played out and hope Sawyer has moved on.

Final thought....I enjoyed Sawyer being a badass again. He had gotten so emo over the past few episodes and I was like wtf!?!

[JudynTX]

Bump

[Blake]

dang, still two episodes behind

[JudynTX]

dang, still two episodes behind

:sleep:rolleyes:wakeup:lmao

[Blake]

yeah, maybe I'll watch one on the net, then watch the enhanced version

[sonic21]

:tu A friend of mine mentioned that it was the statue of Egyptian God Anubis, notice the cross in his hand? It's similar to the one Amy took from her husband, it means eternal life. :)

Question is, how did the statue break, when all we are left to see are its toes?

Could Richard be an Ancient Egyptian thousands of years old who gained immortality somehow on the Island.

BTW regarding the eyeliner crack by sawyer, The ancient Egyptian Men Wore Eyeliners (Yes I know this is how the actor looks like naturally, but I am talking about the show)

:wakeup

[chode_regulator]

That one baby's name is ethan. but i cant remember who he is in relation to the show. anyone care to fill me in real quick.

i think this show is only keeping me hooked bc i know its going to end soon

[Mugshot]

Could Richard be an Ancient Egyptian thousands of years old who gained immortality somehow on the Island.

BTW regarding the eyeliner crack by sawyer, The ancient Egyptian Men Wore Eyeliners (Yes I know this is how the actor looks like naturally, but I am talking about the show)

:wakeup

Yes, Eygptians wore eyeliner to divert the rays of the sun.


That one baby's name is ethan. but i cant remember who he is in relation to the show. anyone care to fill me in real quick.

i think this show is only keeping me hooked bc i know its going to end soon

He was the "other" that kidnapped Claire and Charlie. He left Charlie for dead and took Claire to the others to have her pregnancy examined.

[JudynTX]

Yes, Eygptians wore eyeliner to divert the rays of the sun.

So do you think we'll see pyramids soon? :D




He was the "other" that kidnapped Claire and Charlie. He left Charlie for dead and took Claire to the others to have her pregnancy examined.

:tu Makes you wonder how many "others" were born on the island huh?

How about the scene when little Ben takes Sayid that sandwich? You know Sayid was thinking WTF??? :wow

[ATRAIN]

So do you think we'll see pyramids soon? :D





:tu Makes you wonder how many "others" were born on the island huh?

How about the scene when little Ben takes Sayid that sandwich? You know Sayid was thinking WTF??? :wow


Well there was that temple where Blackie was when they flashed back in time remember?

[ATRAIN]

Oh yeah and wtf happened to Daniel?

[ATRAIN]

This was on the temple where Blackie now lives but only the temple isnt there in the future.

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/images/images_lost/s5/temple_hieroglyphs_resize.jpg

[ATRAIN]

or it was there but covered in vines, not sure. That is where blackie pulled that guy and ripped his arm off.

[JudynTX]

Oh yeah and wtf happened to Daniel?

Maybe he was driving the sub? :lol


This was on the temple where Blackie now lives but only the temple isnt there in the future.

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/images/images_lost/s5/temple_hieroglyphs_resize.jpg

Good find, thanks. :tu I like Sonic's theory about Richard being an Egyptian.

[Mugshot]

The way that he reacted when they said Daniel's name....it sounds like he's gone shit balls nuts.

[ATRAIN]

The way that he reacted when they said Daniel's name....it sounds like he's gone shit balls nuts.

thats what I was thinking but maybe not. Remember Charlotte said he was the mean man that said never to come back.

[JudynTX]

The way that he reacted when they said Daniel's name....it sounds like he's gone shit balls nuts.

shit balls nuts! :lol

It sure is interesting to see Sawyer being in charge compared to Jack. I don't think that sits well with Jack. :D

[sonic21]

If Ben remembers all the character's from back in the 70's does that mean he has known this whole time that they were going to be in that time period eventually! Ben is hiding so much!

Also: Why wasn't Sun sent back to 1977 with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Sayid? That's another big question.

[MannyIsGod]

Don't forget about the hieroglyphics on the counter inside the hatch back from season 2.

[sonic21]

When Sun was talking with Christian, when the camera is focused on Sun at the very end of the scene, look in the background on the right. There's a woman sitting there!

i think it's claire.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2770/vlcsnap11312528.png

[JudynTX]

When Sun was talking with Christian, when the camera is focused on Sun at the very end of the scene, look in the background on the right. There's a woman sitting there!

i think it's claire.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2770/vlcsnap11312528.png

All I see is a blur.

[ATRAIN]

Damn well she was with him the last time we saw her.

[Mugshot]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w6tl5c.gif

[Mugshot]

http://www.vulomedia.com/images/46407stagehandlolol.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

Wow thats pretty cool. I love all the easter egg shit in Lost.

[JudynTX]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w6tl5c.gif

:tu Thanks! I miss all the easter eggs too. :lol

[AFBlue]

The way that he reacted when they said Daniel's name....it sounds like he's gone shit balls nuts.

My theory on Daniel is that he's off the island building the room with the swinging pendulum.

[AFBlue]

shit balls nuts! :lol

It sure is interesting to see Sawyer being in charge compared to Jack. I don't think that sits well with Jack. :D

I honestly think this was the main focus of the episode...the confrontation in the house was probably the best exchange of the season.

Of course, I think Jack's leadership had alot to do with the situation....always on the run from something and having very little understanding of the surroundings. Keep in mind he was only on the island for 4 months, while Sawyer has been on the island for 3 years.

Still, I think Sawyer's leadership style suits the situation they're in. I enjoy seeing him in that role.

As for how it sits with Jack....I think he'll accept it for now, but they'll be thrust into a situation (probably the Sayeed deal) where their styles will conflict again.

I definitely liked the setup though....Jack as a janitor :lol

[AFBlue]

If Ben remembers all the character's from back in the 70's does that mean he has known this whole time that they were going to be in that time period eventually! Ben is hiding so much!

Also: Why wasn't Sun sent back to 1977 with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Sayid? That's another big question.

My question about the encounter between young Ben and Sayeed is whether Ben had already begun his transition to being the leader of the others. In other words, is he going to go back to Richard and say someone is falsly claiming to be an "other."

And your last question is one they better have a good answer for...b/c my first thought was the show producers did it to keep that "reconnection" drama alive. Like I said...better be damn good.

[JudynTX]

My theory on Daniel is that he's off the island building the room with the swinging pendulum.

I like the way you think. :tu

[ATRAIN]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w6tl5c.gif


DAMN wtf!!! How do people catch that shit.

[tp2021]

Holy fucking shit fucks...Sayid killed Ben!

[jaffies]

Don't be tricked.

Ben survives.

If Ben doesn't survive, Sayid would have no reason to kill him.

[tp2021]

Or...

That wasn't Ben at all...

[Ginofan]

I was shocked as well, wtf is Sayid going to do now? I thought he was about to kill himself before he ran off, but thank goodness he didn't!

How do we know Ben survives? Maybe he's erased from existance now? But I am leaning more towards tp2021's theory that the kid wasn't really the Ben we know.

I'm really tired of the whole Kate-Sawyer thing, and I was a little disappointed that we didn't find anything about about Sun trying to get to the past with everyone else, but overall a good episode.

[sonic21]

Ben can't be dead cos you can't change the past according to faraday or maybe Sayid did kill Ben and the island heals him, I guess we will have to wait and see.

very good episode, there needs to be more Sayid-centric episodes and less Jack/kate centric-episodes

[JudynTX]

Don't be tricked.

Ben survives.

If Ben doesn't survive, Sayid would have no reason to kill him.

:wow IF that was the real Ben. I was shocked as hell to see Sayid shoot him. This episode disappointed me a little, all we saw was what happened to Sayid getting seduced by that chick who ended up arresting him.

Yea, getting annoyed with the Kate/Sawyer thing. :sleep I'm still betting that Juliet ends up pregnant. :D

He's Our YOU.....the title of the episode. :lol Dharma's version of Sayid.

[Extra Stout]

The island already has resurrected Christian Shepard and John Locke. Why would resurrecting Benjamin Linus be a problem?

[Spurminator]

The island already has resurrected Christian Shepard and John Locke. Why would resurrecting Benjamin Linus be a problem?

It would be a bit of a new wrinkle since Ben is the only one of the three to die on the island, but I agree there's no way in hell he doesn't come back.

[Kermit]

It would be a bit of a new wrinkle since Ben is the only one of the three to die on the island, but I agree there's no way in hell he doesn't come back.

The Island healed a bullet wound to Locke's heart courtesy of Ben himself. I'm sure it can do the same for an innocent Ben.

[Spurminator]

Good point.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Why immediately assume that was not Ben, or that he is not dead? Remember all that mumbo jumbo about everything "course correcting" or whatever. Maybe Ben was suppossed to die for a LOOONG time now, but the island brought Sayid back at this moment to take care of it. There's a reason why Sayid was not returned to the island with Jack, Kate, and Hurley...but still brought back in the same timeline (unlike Sun).

[Extra Stout]

The Island healed a bullet wound to Locke's heart courtesy of Ben himself. I'm sure it can do the same for an innocent Ben.
John Locke was shot through the spot where his kidney used to be. If his father had not swindled him out of the kidney, Locke would have been killed.

[Extra Stout]

Why immediately assume that was not Ben, or that he is not dead? Remember all that mumbo jumbo about everything "course correcting" or whatever. Maybe Ben was suppossed to die for a LOOONG time now, but the island brought Sayid back at this moment to take care of it. There's a reason why Sayid was not returned to the island with Jack, Kate, and Hurley...but still brought back in the same timeline (unlike Sun).
Killing Ben would create a paradox. Ben would never grow up. There would be no Purge. Radzinsky would not be stuck in the Swan with Kelvin. Kelvin would never find Desmond. Desmond would not be pushing the button. He would never be late in pushing the button when he followed Kelvin to the boat and killed him. Flight 815 would never crash. Sayid would never end up in 1977 and would not kill Ben.

With the violation of causality, the universe would cease to exist the moment Ben died. Therefore, Ben either will not die or will not stay dead. This experience probably will end up changing him from the nice 12-year-old boy to the manipulative, twisted Ben, and put into motion the events that lead to the Purge.

The premise of time travel being followed on the show is, "whatever happened, happened." Characters do not have the ability to change the past or create alternate timelines. The actions they take in the past cause the reality that motivates them to take those actions. The exception to this rule apparently is Desmond, and his "specialness" probably will be central to how the story ultimately plays out.

[LockBeard]

This show needs to cut to the damn point.

Filler bs for 45 minutes, then a little teaser at the end.

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

[Kermit]

With the violation of causality, the universe would cease to exist the moment Ben died. Therefore, Ben either will not die or will not stay dead. This experience probably will end up changing him from the nice 12-year-old boy to the manipulative, twisted Ben, and put into motion the events that lead to the Purge.

:tu

That's right. He did shoot that fucker in the kidney area. You would think Locke would stop trusting him right about then.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Killing Ben would create a paradox. Ben would never grow up. There would be no Purge. Radzinsky would not be stuck in the Swan with Kelvin. Kelvin would never find Desmond. Desmond would not be pushing the button. He would never be late in pushing the button when he followed Kelvin to the boat and killed him. Flight 815 would never crash. Sayid would never end up in 1977 and would not kill Ben.

With the violation of causality, the universe would cease to exist the moment Ben died. Therefore, Ben either will not die or will not stay dead. This experience probably will end up changing him from the nice 12-year-old boy to the manipulative, twisted Ben, and put into motion the events that lead to the Purge.

The premise of time travel being followed on the show is, "whatever happened, happened." Characters do not have the ability to change the past or create alternate timelines. The actions they take in the past cause the reality that motivates them to take those actions. The exception to this rule apparently is Desmond, and his "specialness" probably will be central to how the story ultimately plays out.

All that stuff can still happen without Ben. Especially if it was the island's intent that someone other than Ben be the catalyst.

[SpursStalker]

I cant believe these fuckers are still lost ...

:lol

[JudynTX]

I cant believe these fuckers are still lost ...

:lol

Oh they aren't LOST anymore, some left the island, but then they went back. :tu :lmao

[SpursStalker]

Oh they aren't LOST anymore, some left the island, but then they went back. :tu :lmao

Oh right the island was calling them right?

"come to me"

:lol

[JudynTX]

Oh right the island was calling them right?

"come to me"

:lol

:wow "Something powerful is telling them "come back to me"!

:D

[SpursStalker]

:wow "Something powerful is telling them "come back to me"!

:D

Is Sawyer still lost?

I'd like to find him ...

Under my covers of course

:wow :lol

[Extra Stout]

All that stuff can still happen without Ben. Especially if it was the island's intent that someone other than Ben be the catalyst.
Sayid kills Ben.
Sayid therefore never meets Ben and has no motivation to kill him.
Sayid therefore does not kill Ben.
Sayid therefore meets Ben and has motivation to kill Ben.
Sayid therefore kills Ben.
A and not A.

Do you not see that it is a paradox?

And before you reply, "something else could happen that could cause Sayid to kill Ben," did you ever stop to think why the writers of the show would spend years presenting a narrative which in the end never would really happen?

No, the writers have presented their "rules." They are explained through the character Daniel Faraday. In his notebook he has notes about Closed Timelike Curves and the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Faraday tells us "whatever happened, happened," and says that Desmond Hume somehow is "special," and the rules don't apply to him, because something happened when he turned the failsafe key.

[Ginofan]

Where is Daniel Faraday by the way???

[tp2021]

I came across this theory, pinned on the wall of a fellow lostie.


http://www.timelooptheory.com/lost_timeline.jpg

Thought I would share, seems interesting.

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html