Lost....What is up with the "Others"?

[JudynTX]

:wow Thanks for sharing that.

[sonic21]

wow very interesting indeed :tu

[JudynTX]

wow very interesting indeed :tu

Hey sonic, just when you think you know everything, here comes someone's theory that just throws everything out of wack. :bang:lol

[mFFL03]

When is the season finale?

How many seasons are left? is it next year and then a year after that? Or is it just next year?

[tp2021]

Just next year, IIRC. This is season 5, it ends after season 6.

[sonic21]

Hey sonic, just when you think you know everything, here comes someone's theory that just throws everything out of wack. :bang:lol

yeah i'm really sad right know, all my theories seem weak after reading this. :lol

[sonic21]

Just next year, IIRC. This is season 5, it ends after season 6.

there's so much questions unanswered, i don't know how they will answer all of them with only 1 season left,; and the last season will only have 16 episodes (like this one).

[tp2021]

there's so much questions unanswered, i don't know how they will answer all of them with only 1 season left,; and the last season will only have 16 episodes (like this one).

Easy -- a reunion show with the entire cast, even those that didn't last on the island, at which point all the fans' questions will be answered, like on VH1

[JudynTX]

yeah i'm really sad right know, all my theories seem weak after reading this. :lol

:lol No shit! My theories must have changed 100 times.

[Extra Stout]

I think Widmore and Linus are battling for control of the island. Linus is answering to someone who wants to protect the island and keep it from being used in nefarious ways. Linus himself is empty inside and just does whatever it takes. Widmore wants to use the island to increase his own wealth and power. He has used what knowledge he has already to build tremendous wealth.

The history of the island is very old. Humans have stumbled upon it and known its unique properties for a very long time. Characters in the show are wrapped up in this history not just in the 2000's or the 1970's, but from the very beginning.

Events have played out such that one party or the other wins control of the island (probably Ben's side), but the island's properties make Widmore think it is possible to change the outcome by changing the past. But, everything he does to try to change the past ends up causing the present as he knows it.

Yet someone knows, at least in theory, that under the right circumstances (something to do with electromagnetism), it is possible to decouple from this deterministic loop and change the past. This is dangerous and unpredictable, and the universe will try to course-correct to prevent paradox. But nobody knows how to make it happen. Dharma tries... but ends up causing an Incident.

Events unfold such that Desmond becomes uncoupled from determinism. He is "special." He can go back in time and change the past. This makes him both powerful and dangerous. His consciousness goes back to when he broke up with Penny, and he actually would have been able to make a different decision... and Ms. Hawking has to be there to intervene. She has to convince him to stick to the original timeline. But there is a residue, a blip -- a single photo of Desmond and Penny now appears in two places, both in Penny's and in Desmond's possession.

Desmond is able to tweak Fate... but the universe tries to course-correct. Charlie has to die, but Desmond is able to save him long enough that he completes a task he would not otherwise do -- i.e., turn off the jamming device. That puts in motion events that create something that was not supposed to happen, i.e. six survivors getting off the island. Alex was not supposed to die. Since the six are supposed to be present to act out events which happened 30 years ago, this creates a mad rush to find a way to get them back.

While the flashes were going on, Faraday gets a hold of Desmond in the hatch. He knows Desmond is special. Desmond's memory is changed, and at the appointed time he remembers. He tracks down Faraday's mother, and seemingly nothing happens, but the actions he has yet to take loom large over the final outcome.

The universe's ability to course-correct is being put to the test. All of a sudden the number 3 is becoming important. It was not one of the numbers. It's Ajira Flight 316, not 416. Originally Dharmaville was fixed up and occupied by the Others. Locke destroyed the dock when he blew up the sub. Now, when Frank and Sun go back on the outrigger, now the dock is intact, and the Processing Center is dilapidated and boarded up, with signs and banners from the Dharma days still dangling around. A recruiting photo from 1977 is still hanging, from Christian to show to Sun. I would not surprised if one episode we hear the numbers, and they are "3 8 15 16 23 42."

Ben is surprised when hears Jin survived. Ben knows a lot about how things are supposed to play out -- he has a freaking runway built for the Ajira flight three years ahead of time -- but details are changing before his eyes and he is trying to cope to make sure things don't change so that Widmore wins control of the island.

[JudynTX]

Is that your theory? Gulp!

[lefty]

" Lost " sucks major donkey ass


:td

[tp2021]

stfu lefty! We can waste our time how we please!

[AFBlue]

My buddy and I had a discussion about the time travel and whether Sayeed did something that he was supposed to do, or if he somehow changed the future. My perspective is that Ben was always shot by Sayeed back in the 70's.

Then, the question on my mind is how he lives, or if he "dies" how he ages to the current point. Whatever they put out there I'm absolutely stoked to see it....what an awesome episode.

Generally speaking about the episode...

I very much liked that Sayeed found his purpose, and once again I loved how they wove his backstory (including childhood) into it. I like that Kate was about to hint at her purpose/why she's back, and I look forward to everyone else's purpose on the island being revealed.

God I love this show!

[AFBlue]

I think Widmore and Linus are battling for control of the island. Linus is answering to someone who wants to protect the island and keep it from being used in nefarious ways. Linus himself is empty inside and just does whatever it takes. Widmore wants to use the island to increase his own wealth and power. He has used what knowledge he has already to build tremendous wealth.

The history of the island is very old. Humans have stumbled upon it and known its unique properties for a very long time. Characters in the show are wrapped up in this history not just in the 2000's or the 1970's, but from the very beginning.

Events have played out such that one party or the other wins control of the island (probably Ben's side), but the island's properties make Widmore think it is possible to change the outcome by changing the past. But, everything he does to try to change the past ends up causing the present as he knows it.

Yet someone knows, at least in theory, that under the right circumstances (something to do with electromagnetism), it is possible to decouple from this deterministic loop and change the past. This is dangerous and unpredictable, and the universe will try to course-correct to prevent paradox. But nobody knows how to make it happen. Dharma tries... but ends up causing an Incident.

Events unfold such that Desmond becomes uncoupled from determinism. He is "special." He can go back in time and change the past. This makes him both powerful and dangerous. His consciousness goes back to when he broke up with Penny, and he actually would have been able to make a different decision... and Ms. Hawking has to be there to intervene. She has to convince him to stick to the original timeline. But there is a residue, a blip -- a single photo of Desmond and Penny now appears in two places, both in Penny's and in Desmond's possession.

Desmond is able to tweak Fate... but the universe tries to course-correct. Charlie has to die, but Desmond is able to save him long enough that he completes a task he would not otherwise do -- i.e., turn off the jamming device. That puts in motion events that create something that was not supposed to happen, i.e. six survivors getting off the island. Alex was not supposed to die. Since the six are supposed to be present to act out events which happened 30 years ago, this creates a mad rush to find a way to get them back.

While the flashes were going on, Faraday gets a hold of Desmond in the hatch. He knows Desmond is special. Desmond's memory is changed, and at the appointed time he remembers. He tracks down Faraday's mother, and seemingly nothing happens, but the actions he has yet to take loom large over the final outcome.

The universe's ability to course-correct is being put to the test. All of a sudden the number 3 is becoming important. It was not one of the numbers. It's Ajira Flight 316, not 416. Originally Dharmaville was fixed up and occupied by the Others. Locke destroyed the dock when he blew up the sub. Now, when Frank and Sun go back on the outrigger, now the dock is intact, and the Processing Center is dilapidated and boarded up, with signs and banners from the Dharma days still dangling around. A recruiting photo from 1977 is still hanging, from Christian to show to Sun. I would not surprised if one episode we hear the numbers, and they are "3 8 15 16 23 42."

Ben is surprised when hears Jin survived. Ben knows a lot about how things are supposed to play out -- he has a freaking runway built for the Ajira flight three years ahead of time -- but details are changing before his eyes and he is trying to cope to make sure things don't change so that Widmore wins control of the island.

It took me a half-hour to read/comprehend...but wow! That was an amazing breakdown and I'm pretty sure I agree with it 100%.

:worthy:

[LockBeard]

The directors said the numbers didn't really mean shit. They just threw them in there to keep diehards busy.

For instance how the numbers could be manipulated to be coordinates for both Nigeria & an island off New Zealand.

That's how great the writers are :bowdown

[Jacob1983]

I don't think Ben is really dead because if he was dead then there would have been massive changes in the space time continuum immediately after young Ben was dead. Besides, the island has magical powers. It probably brought Ben back to life. I mean Locke was dead then he came back to life on the island. Richard might also have seen dead young Ben and brought him back to life. I'm not sure about that guy. He's probably the most mysterious character on Lost. It's a shame that there hasn't been a Richard centric episode.

[tp2021]

I don't think Ben is really dead because if he was dead then there would have been massive changes in the space time continuum immediately after young Ben was dead. Besides, the island has magical powers. It probably brought Ben back to life. I mean Locke was dead then he came back to life on the island. Richard might also have seen dead young Ben and brought him back to life. I'm not sure about that guy. He's probably the most mysterious character on Lost. It's a shame that there hasn't been a Richard centric episode.

I predict the finale will be Richard-centric :smokin

[Xylus]

I'm pretty certain we're going to see a Richard-centric episode. I mean, if Rose and Bernard got one, you'd think an important supporting character like RA would receive one as well. He's played a pivotal role in certain events, and he's shrouded in more mystery than any other character that I can think of. 'Cept Jacob.

[jaffies]

All will be revealed in the Vincent-centric episode!

[mFFL03]

Easy -- a reunion show with the entire cast, even those that didn't last on the island, at which point all the fans' questions will be answered.

A lot of the questions have been answered. It's just this show answers one question and raises 3 new ones at the same time.

[Jacob1983]

I wonder if a Richard centric episode would give any info and history on Jacob. I bet it would because Richard and Jacob must be friends or at least know each other. Have you ever thought about the idea of Richard being immortal?

[jaffies]

I wonder if a Richard centric episode would give any info and history on Jacob. I bet it would because Richard and Jacob must be friends or at least know each other. Have you ever thought about the idea of Richard being immortal?

I don't get a lot of the 'Alpert is immortal' talk. It seems to be everywhere nowadays.
Especially on a show that allows traveling through time, why wouldn't the same thing be said about Sawyer, Jack, or Kate. If you saw them in the 70's looking the same age as you saw them in 2004, wouldn't you think they were immortal?
Also, he could be dead/ghost (ala Christian Shepherd, Claire(?)) that the island brought back to life. Or, with the god-mimicking science experiments going on the island, he could be a clone (ala the twins on the boat that took Walt).

[exstatic]

Has anyone watched The Pretender? I'm working my way through the discs, and in season one, there is an episode where he's a test pilot trying to solve a crash that killed a pilot. At the end of the episode, he can't go back to the landing strip because, of course, Miss Parker and Sydney are already there, so he lands in an aircraft bone yard (they exist in AZ, both military and civilian). He climbs down from his F-16, and gets on a bike to ride away into the sunset. He bikes right past a big ol' 747, with the word Oceanic painted on the side. I literally yelled out loud, and hit the scan back button on the remote to see if I saw what I thought I saw. It was true. Oh, and The Prentender debuted in 1996, apparently an important year in the Lost timeline.

My theory is that Jarod, Miss Parker (in a hot mini skirt, smoking a cigarette) and Sydney (in a tweed suit, even though The Island is currently in the tropics) will arrive in a Zodiac power raft to save the day for everyone on The Island. :lol

[Blake]

:wow IF that was the real Ben. I was shocked as hell to see Sayid shoot him. This episode disappointed me a little, all we saw was what happened to Sayid getting seduced by that chick who ended up arresting him.

Yea, getting annoyed with the Kate/Sawyer thing. :sleep I'm still betting that Juliet ends up pregnant. :D

He's Our YOU.....the title of the episode. :lol Dharma's version of Sayid.

the way they were setting it up as a Sayid-like torture session, it ended up being a pretty lame torture by "hi, I'm Larry, this is my brother Daryl, this is my other brother Daryl"

I know most may have figured it out, I also just frigging realized who Ben's dad is: Uncle Rico

[Blake]

The Island healed a bullet wound to Locke's heart courtesy of Ben himself. I'm sure it can do the same for an innocent Ben.

iirc, I thought the bullet didn't kill Locke because he was missing the kidney that he donated to his dad....

[JudynTX]

iirc, I thought the bullet didn't kill Locke because he was missing the kidney that he donated to his dad....

:rolleyes You finally caught up now?

:lol

[Blake]

Oh they aren't LOST anymore, some left the island, but then they went back. :tu :lmao

they are lost in time now

[Blake]

:rolleyes You finally caught up now?

:lol

apparently I missed an episod where Penny is killed????

WTF? which episode is that?

[Blake]

Sayid kills Ben.
Sayid therefore never meets Ben and has no motivation to kill him.
Sayid therefore does not kill Ben.
Sayid therefore meets Ben and has motivation to kill Ben.
Sayid therefore kills Ben.
A and not A.

Do you not see that it is a paradox?

And before you reply, "something else could happen that could cause Sayid to kill Ben," did you ever stop to think why the writers of the show would spend years presenting a narrative which in the end never would really happen?

No, the writers have presented their "rules." They are explained through the character Daniel Faraday. In his notebook he has notes about Closed Timelike Curves and the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Faraday tells us "whatever happened, happened," and says that Desmond Hume somehow is "special," and the rules don't apply to him, because something happened when he turned the failsafe key.

Ben aint dead.

[Blake]

there's so much questions unanswered, i don't know how they will answer all of them with only 1 season left,; and the last season will only have 16 episodes (like this one).

Season 2 screwed everything up. I don't see how the writers tie everything up together, but I think they are doing a nice job trying.

[JudynTX]

apparently I missed an episod where Penny is killed????

WTF? which episode is that?

Huh? We don't know for sure that Ben went to kill her, it's just our predictions. But it would make sense if Ben was trying to get Desmond to go back to the island also.

[Blake]

I think Widmore and Linus are battling for control of the island. Linus is answering to someone who wants to protect the island and keep it from being used in nefarious ways. Linus himself is empty inside and just does whatever it takes. Widmore wants to use the island to increase his own wealth and power. He has used what knowledge he has already to build tremendous wealth.

The history of the island is very old. Humans have stumbled upon it and known its unique properties for a very long time. Characters in the show are wrapped up in this history not just in the 2000's or the 1970's, but from the very beginning.

Events have played out such that one party or the other wins control of the island (probably Ben's side), but the island's properties make Widmore think it is possible to change the outcome by changing the past. But, everything he does to try to change the past ends up causing the present as he knows it.

Yet someone knows, at least in theory, that under the right circumstances (something to do with electromagnetism), it is possible to decouple from this deterministic loop and change the past. This is dangerous and unpredictable, and the universe will try to course-correct to prevent paradox. But nobody knows how to make it happen. Dharma tries... but ends up causing an Incident.

Events unfold such that Desmond becomes uncoupled from determinism. He is "special." He can go back in time and change the past. This makes him both powerful and dangerous. His consciousness goes back to when he broke up with Penny, and he actually would have been able to make a different decision... and Ms. Hawking has to be there to intervene. She has to convince him to stick to the original timeline. But there is a residue, a blip -- a single photo of Desmond and Penny now appears in two places, both in Penny's and in Desmond's possession.

Desmond is able to tweak Fate... but the universe tries to course-correct. Charlie has to die, but Desmond is able to save him long enough that he completes a task he would not otherwise do -- i.e., turn off the jamming device. That puts in motion events that create something that was not supposed to happen, i.e. six survivors getting off the island. Alex was not supposed to die. Since the six are supposed to be present to act out events which happened 30 years ago, this creates a mad rush to find a way to get them back.

While the flashes were going on, Faraday gets a hold of Desmond in the hatch. He knows Desmond is special. Desmond's memory is changed, and at the appointed time he remembers. He tracks down Faraday's mother, and seemingly nothing happens, but the actions he has yet to take loom large over the final outcome.

The universe's ability to course-correct is being put to the test. All of a sudden the number 3 is becoming important. It was not one of the numbers. It's Ajira Flight 316, not 416. Originally Dharmaville was fixed up and occupied by the Others. Locke destroyed the dock when he blew up the sub. Now, when Frank and Sun go back on the outrigger, now the dock is intact, and the Processing Center is dilapidated and boarded up, with signs and banners from the Dharma days still dangling around. A recruiting photo from 1977 is still hanging, from Christian to show to Sun. I would not surprised if one episode we hear the numbers, and they are "3 8 15 16 23 42."

Ben is surprised when hears Jin survived. Ben knows a lot about how things are supposed to play out -- he has a freaking runway built for the Ajira flight three years ahead of time -- but details are changing before his eyes and he is trying to cope to make sure things don't change so that Widmore wins control of the island.

I think it's interesting that there are two people that we know that can see future events:

Desmond and Walt...

Desmond's ability seem to come from a weird scientific explosion where he lost his clothes.....
Walt's is more supernatural, and we have yet to see wtf Walt's role is in the whole thing.......which I bet will ultimately be lame.

We also have two people that can see ghosts: Miles and Hurley.

We might assume that Hurley is just crazy, but since Miles can see dead people, then we can infer that Hurley really does see dead people too.
We don't really have much on Miles' background, but my guess is that he is the son of the Dharma director that pops up in every instructional video.

what's odd is that these characters can use their abilities off the island, while Locke and that black lady (I forget her name) can apparently only heal when on the island.

I don't think Ben has the ability to heal, otherwise he would not have needed Jack to perform the brain surgery. I think Ben just gets lucky where the bullet hits him.

/rambling

[Blake]

Huh? We don't know for sure that Ben went to kill her, it's just our predictions. But it would make sense if Ben was trying to get Desmond to go back to the island also.

oh ok......

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I googled it on wikilost and although I didn't open the link, it appears in the google summary underneath that Penny will be killed this season

[Blake]

I don't get a lot of the 'Alpert is immortal' talk. It seems to be everywhere nowadays.
Especially on a show that allows traveling through time, why wouldn't the same thing be said about Sawyer, Jack, or Kate. If you saw them in the 70's looking the same age as you saw them in 2004, wouldn't you think they were immortal?

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.


Also, he could be dead/ghost (ala Christian Shepherd, Claire(?)) that the island brought back to life. Or, with the god-mimicking science experiments going on the island, he could be a clone (ala the twins on the boat that took Walt).

I don't think he's a dead ghost like Christian.

I think he and Locke are both immortal when they stay on the island.

[Fpoonsie]

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.



I don't think he's a dead ghost like Christian.

I think he and Locke are both immortal when they stay on the island.

Um...keep in mind that Ben has appeared to be "in the dark" NUMEROUS times about things, yet always seems to know what's goin on. If BEN can stay up on things, why couldn't Richard "Superman" Alpert?

[Blake]

Um...keep in mind that Ben has appeared to be "in the dark" NUMEROUS times about things, yet always seems to know what's goin on. If BEN can stay up on things, why couldn't Richard "Superman" Alpert?

Maybe. I get the idea that Richard doesn't really care much about anything except for finding a leader for the Others, whereas Ben has a lot on his plate in which he has to stay up on things.

We seen a young Ben that appears to be living in line with his age.

We have seen Richard as a part of groups in different decades yet he looks the same age. Sawyer and Co have been in the 70s for three years and have actually aged 3 years.

[exstatic]

I know most may have figured it out, I also just frigging realized who Ben's dad is: Uncle Rico

He's also Broots from The Pretender.
:stirpot:

[AFBlue]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Alright I'm done being geeked about this episode...but damn it was good.

[jaffies]

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.

The 2004 Losties were in the dark about pretty much everything before they were time shifted to the 70's. Alpert had to have been in the dark at one time or another, most likely before traveling through time.

[Blake]

The 2004 Losties were in the dark about pretty much everything before they were time shifted to the 70's. Alpert had to have been in the dark at one time or another, most likely before traveling through time.

eh, maybe. there's nothing to suggest though that Alpert travels through time. By the looks of it from every time period, he appears entrenched in his position, even though his age looks the same.

[LockBeard]

Fucking Lost.

This episode was actually going places and then..........nothing.

Way to throw another filler episode to stretch this out another season.

[LuvBones]

Did anyone else not like what they did with Kate's character this episode? The love triangle is annoying enough, but now we find out about Aaron. She took him because she needed him to get over Sawyer?! A couple of episodes back she was super protective over Aaron, and all of a sudden she dumps him onto his grandmother and tells to her she's going back to "find Claire". Is that really her purpose.. or is it her love for Sawyer?

[AFBlue]

A couple of episodes back she was super protective over Aaron, and all of a sudden she dumps him onto his grandmother and tells to her she's going back to "find Claire". Is that really her purpose.. or is it her love for Sawyer?

Probably came back for both, but it seems Sawyer is through with her...the comment about not being a good boyfriend was strong I thought.

[Mugshot]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Alright I'm done being geeked about this episode...but damn it was good.

Well...it was much better than the last two duds. I liked at the end when the others mentioned Ellie and Charles' names. Then Richard said that he doesn't answer to them. Next week's episode looks like it might be something special!!!

[JudynTX]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

:tu It's about time they talked about it.


Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

I needed a tissue when Kate said good-bye to Aaron, regardless of why or who she took care of him for, it was a touching moment. And maybe she really is going back to find Claire.


And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Well he did take him to the temple. :D



Well...it was much better than the last two duds. I liked at the end when the others mentioned Ellie and Charles' names. Then Richard said that he doesn't answer to them. Next week's episode looks like it might be something special!!!

Yep. :tu Richard gives me the goosebumps sometimes. Such a mysterious character, love it.

[Creepn]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

[sonic21]

Damn it, someone bring Faraday so he can explain to us the time travel thing. I mean Miles did a pretty good job of it until he got stuck ... That discution looked so promising, clarified everithing we already knew and when things got interesting ... flat ... nothing ..

[JudynTX]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

The army chick with the braids, it was the Jughead episode. Ellie Hawkings? Faraday's mom when she was younger??????????????? :wow

[Mugshot]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

Ellie was the girl with the gun from the Jughead episode. Now that it is shown that she is a person of leadership, I think that it is safe to say that Ellie = Eloise Hawking.

http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200903/21579a385ded1b82504e1e02e0166262.jpg

[JudynTX]

Mug....did you find anymore Easter eggs? :D

[Mugshot]

Mug....did you find anymore Easter eggs? :D

I'm waiting for a better screen shot on one, but it has to do with one of the others.

[sonic21]

This episode was good but yeah it was predictable. I guess that Sawyer told Kate to visit Cassidy and was right. I also guessed that Kate left Aaron with Claire's mother. I wonder how that was anyways? I know I would be scared to live with a strange woman who I never met before if I was his age, no matter who she was.

I can't believe that Jack didn't save Ben! I wonder what would have happened if Jack saved him or Ben, yes whatever happened, happened, but still... it's always fun to wonder.

I thought that Richard took Ben to Jacob, but I guess it's something in the temple because that's where he took him right?

I guess now we know why Ben doesn't remember Sayid shooting him and how Ben turned evil. "He had his innocence taken from him and he doesn't remember anything". At least that's what Richard said.

The scene at the end was awesome! "Welcome back to the land of the living".

[JudynTX]

^^^^^

Yea, no shit......the look on Ben's face when he saw Locke sitting there. Priceless!!!!!!!

[Creepn]

Aah ok. Thanks Mugshot. :D

[Creepn]

I can't believe that Jack didn't save Ben! I wonder what would have happened if Jack saved him or Ben, yes whatever happened, happened, but still... it's always fun to wonder.


If Jack would've decided to help out with the surgery, he would've failed. It would've played out like this:

Jack: I can't do it, I can't close the leak. (or some other type of medical failure)
Kate: What do we do?? We cant just let that kid die, its wrong!

-Juliette makes a concerned face-

Kate: What's wrong Juliette?
Juliete: The Others can help him....
Kate: Let's do it!
Jack: uh..I don't know if we should do that. We are sending him to the very people that enabled Ben to wreak havok on our lives!
Kate: We can't just let that kid die Jack!

-Jack submits-

Jack: I want no part of this

-Kate and Juliette carries Ben to the car-

[LockBeard]

Kate was ridiculously hot while in the Grocery Store.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Kate was ridiculously hot while in the Grocery Store.

No kidding. Why are there never any women like that at my HEB.

[AFBlue]

A sober retrospective....

I wasn't necessarily wowed by anything that happened with Kate relative to her backstory. I'm not sure I buy the supermarket episode as enough of a shock to push her over the edge and make her give up Aaron.

But that aside, I thought the episode killed. I'm especially impressed with the character development of Sawyer. In the past (lol!) he was guided by his emotion, whether it was anger toward Jack or lust/love toward Kate. Now, he's calm and calculated...he always has an answer for everything. And of course, he's still a badass. This (1970s Dharma) is clearly his place and time to shine.

I give the backstory a C, but the layout of current events an A...very good episode.

[LuvBones]

^ Nicely said.. that's how I felt too. Next episode looks very exciting! I've been waiting for the story to go back to Locke/Ben.

[Jacob1983]

Kate looked hot as a fake MILF. That whole dress skirt/nice shirt outfit with heels looked sexy on her.
I think that Kate and Sawyer taking Ben to Richard and the Others was predestined. Ben was going to wind up with Richard and the Others no matter what. They did something to him that made him what he is now. They turned him into an evil manipulative person.

[Kermit]

so, is widmore farraday's daddy?

[Mugshot]

so, is widmore farraday's daddy?

That's the way that it is looking....

[Melmart1]

Was it just me or did Ben look dissapointed that "It" let him live?

And what exactly did he ask Sun to apologize to Desmond for if he got the shit beat out of him? For pointing the gun? That doesn't seem right.

[braeden0613]

Was it just me or did Ben look dissapointed that "It" let him live?

And what exactly did he ask Sun to apologize to Desmond for if he got the shit beat out of him? For pointing the gun? That doesn't seem right.
My guess would be because he tried to kill Penny. It looks like Ben is actually starting to show his compassionate side (yeah i know he still killed Caesar)

[Melmart1]

My guess would be because he tried to kill Penny. It looks like Ben is actually starting to show his compassionate side (yeah i know he still killed Caesar)

See, I thought that he was apologizing for killing Penny, then later when they showed his attempt and he didn't go through with it, I instantly thought that maybe something else happens later. It doesn't seem very Ben-like to apologize for something he didn't actually do. But then again, this episode was all about Ben not being Ben. So maybe you are right.

[Gerryatrics]

Maybe he wanted to apologize to Desmond for, you know, shooting him. That and almost killing his wife in front of their child.

Good episode, I'm starting to get back into Lost.

[JudynTX]

Very good episode. :tu Dead is Dead! Smokey didn't scare me as much as in previous episodes., but seeing Alex again did! :wow Smokey turned into Alex for that brief moment? :D

Did Ben suddenly show compassion for Penny when he heard her call the baby Charlie?

[Extra Stout]

See, I thought that he was apologizing for killing Penny, then later when they showed his attempt and he didn't go through with it, I instantly thought that maybe something else happens later. It doesn't seem very Ben-like to apologize for something he didn't actually do. But then again, this episode was all about Ben not being Ben. So maybe you are right.
He tried to kill Penny as revenge because he held Widmore responsible for killing Alex. He paused when he saw Charlie because it reminded him of when he spared Alex and Rousseau in the first place. That gave Desmond enough time to stop him.

By the time he makes the comment to Sun about apologizing to Desmond, he has come to terms with his own accountability for Alex's death. It was the island rather than Widmore that wanted Ben to leave. Ben chose to sacrifice Alex in a futile attempt to stay. In light of his coming to terms with that, his attempt to kill Penny was utterly senseless.

This episode catalogues Ben's rise to power on the island over Widmore. Widmore wanted Alex killed, and Ben called him out on it, saying it was what Widmore wanted, not what the island wanted. When Widmore is banished, Ben tells him it was because he was selfish. He looked out for himself rather than the island. Widmore tells him that one day Ben will find himself in the same shoes. And indeed in the end, Ben has become like Widmore. He acts in his own best interest rather than island's. He ends up being responsible for Alex's death. And the island's judgment upon him is that like Widmore, he has to give up power, in this case to Locke.

But Ben won't go along easily.

So why did he apologize to Desmond rather than, say, Penny? Maybe he sees Desmond as an innocent bystander with no role in this grudge match between him and Widmore (boy would he be wrong). Maybe when he saw young Charlie, he then saw Desmond as the father Ben himself in the end failed to be.

[Xylus]

The "tell Desmond I'm sorry" line served two purposes. First, it was the writers' way of tricking us into believing that Ben had actually gone through with Penelope's murder. Second, it actually makes more sense to apologize for an attempted murder (...or for shooting Desmond....or for even pointing a gun in the Penny's direction...) than it would be to apologize for actually killing someone. After you murder someone, apologies aren't really enough to make any sort of amends.

It amazes me that the writers have such a firm grasp of Ben's character, and how they've managed to weave his storyline so intricately into the main plot. Especially when you consider how Ben, as originally written, was only supposed to last a couple of episodes.

[sonic21]

very good episode.
great scene when the smoke monster is surrounding Ben and flashing moments of his life with Alex.

Also very cryptic who is Ilana, is she an other, is she a dharma or a widmore girl? I guess we will found out soon.

"What lies in the shadow of the statue?", obviously Ilana has some agenda.
Whats up with that huge crate?

was that Anubis on the tablet with the smoke?

[Xylus]

was that Anubis on the tablet with the smoke?

I haven't rewatched the episode to confirm, but yeah, I think that was Anubis.

[sonic21]

I haven't rewatched the episode to confirm, but yeah, I think that was Anubis.

that would make sense.
He is the god of the dead and he and the monster looked like they were talking to each other.

[Brickhouse]

Finally a decent episode after a shitload of crap.

The Dharma storyline couldn't be more boring.

And when is Kate going to be killed? Her episode last week almost made me gouge my eyes out. She's still fucking annoying and useless and I still don't understand why the fuck she gets so much screentime over characters like Locke and Desmond and Sayid.

[King]

Caesar won't be dead. They've devoted too much time into him to have him randomly killed off and forgotten about.

[Jacob1983]

Good episode. Kate does suck but her MILF outfit from last week made up for it.

Does anyone else think that Ben is now Locke's bitch? I love how Locke is now the one with all the anwers and Ben is the one asking questions.

[exstatic]

I love how Locke is now the one with all the anwers and Ben is the one asking questions.

Not half as much as John Locke does. :lol

[Brickhouse]

Good episode. Kate does suck but her MILF outfit from last week made up for it.

Does anyone else think that Ben is now Locke's bitch? I love how Locke is now the one with all the anwers and Ben is the one asking questions.

Kate is not even the hottest one on the island, she's built like a guy.

Locke is probably whatever Christian Shepherd is- would explain why all of a sudden he knows all this stuff about the island. And it's about time Ben is someone's bitch, I enjoyed when Alex choked him.

[exstatic]

Kate is not even the hottest one on the island, she's built like a guy.

Locke is probably whatever Christian Shepherd is- would explain why all of a sudden he knows all this stuff about the island. And it's about time Ben is someone's bitch, I enjoyed when Alex choked him.

Chances are that Alex is whatever Christian and John are. She died, too.

[Jacob1983]

Who's the hottest on the island? Juliet?

[Brickhouse]

Juliet has nice boobs and isn't nearly as annoying, so I'd rather watch her. She'd probably look better dressed up too.

And that Shannon chick from S1 was pretty hot too.


Chances are that Alex is whatever Christian and John are. She died, too.

Christian, John and Claire are all the same thing.

[Death In June]

Who's the hottest on the island? Juliet?Fuck no. She's the most homely out of the bunch.

[AFBlue]

Thoughts on the episode...

I was pretty annoyed that the island let Ben live without so much as a broken bone. I mean, I'm almost positive the guy is going to get what's coming to him in the end, but they set this episode up for him to be judged. And when the smoke judges him it only reflects about the situation with his daughter...what about the dozens of people he's killed or had killed for his own selfish purposes, all the lies he's told, etc?

In the end all he gets is pushed up against a wall really hard by the image of his daughter...lame. Having said that, I knew from the beginning he wasn't going to be killed off and in the context of the show, I'm sure the island thought him too important in its outcome to kill him. But we all know Ben isn't done deceiving...so why would the island give him a second chance?

The positive from this show is Locke's rebirth. He's a whole new person...confident, aware, and filled with purpose. The comparison I came up with was Gandalf in LOTR...going from a grey to white wizard. My favorite part was when he stood up to Cesar even though Cesar had the gun. It was as if Locke KNEW nothing was going to happen to him, that he wasn't going to get hurt or die.

We'll see if the new Locke fades, but I think he's here to stay.

[exstatic]

Juliet has nice boobs and isn't nearly as annoying, so I'd rather watch her. She'd probably look better dressed up too.

And that Shannon chick from S1 was pretty hot too.



Christian, John and Claire are all the same thing.

Why would Claire be that kind of revenant thing? AFAIK, she hasn't died yet....

[Jacob1983]

So who's the hottest? Shannon? Shannon was a stick figure. I've never found the stick figure look to be hot or attactive. That's kinda harsh to say Juliet is homely looking. She looks pretty when she's cleaned up. What about Jack's ex wife? I know that she isn't on the island but she's been on the show.

The new Locke kicks ass!

[Blake]

I know I would be scared to live with a strange woman who I never met before if I was his age, no matter who she was.

yeah, that was kinda weird.


I can't believe that Jack didn't save Ben! I wonder what would have happened if Jack saved him or Ben, yes whatever happened, happened, but still... it's always fun to wonder.

well, it's easy to speculate that if Juliette wasn't able to do anything that Jack wouldn't really have been able to do much either.


I thought that Richard took Ben to Jacob, but I guess it's something in the temple because that's where he took him right?

I think the writers at the time really screwed things up with "Jacob". If they could redo it, I'm betting they would scratch Jacob off the script.

[Blake]

Kate was ridiculously hot while in the Grocery Store.

that was probably the hottest she has ever looked on the show. wow.

[Blake]

Caesar won't be dead. They've devoted too much time into him to have him randomly killed off and forgotten about.

with the way contracts play out, you never know.

they killed one of my favortie characters, Mr Eko, pretty quickly after having devoted a whole lot of time to him too.

[Blake]

Chances are that Alex is whatever Christian and John are. She died, too.

don't think so.

This is a small tidbit, but recall that Locke asked Christian for help when he fell down the well and Christian said "no, you have to do it on your own."

Locke actually offered help for Ben when he fell down the hole in the temple.

Locke still appears to be himself and still doesn't have all the answers.

[Blake]

Thoughts on the episode...

I was pretty annoyed that the island let Ben live without so much as a broken bone. I mean, I'm almost positive the guy is going to get what's coming to him in the end, but they set this episode up for him to be judged. And when the smoke judges him it only reflects about the situation with his daughter...what about the dozens of people he's killed or had killed for his own selfish purposes, all the lies he's told, etc?

In the end all he gets is pushed up against a wall really hard by the image of his daughter...lame. Having said that, I knew from the beginning he wasn't going to be killed off and in the context of the show, I'm sure the island thought him too important in its outcome to kill him. But we all know Ben isn't done deceiving...so why would the island give him a second chance?

The positive from this show is Locke's rebirth. He's a whole new person...confident, aware, and filled with purpose. The comparison I came up with was Gandalf in LOTR...going from a grey to white wizard. My favorite part was when he stood up to Cesar even though Cesar had the gun. It was as if Locke KNEW nothing was going to happen to him, that he wasn't going to get hurt or die.

We'll see if the new Locke fades, but I think he's here to stay.

I don't think the island is a 100% "good" island. It's a self preserving island.

I think it didn't kill Ben because it knows that it still needs Ben.

[Mugshot]

I think the writers at the time really screwed things up with "Jacob". If they could redo it, I'm betting they would scratch Jacob off the script.

The Season Finale will allegedly be a Jacob-Centric episode.

[JudynTX]

The Season Finale will allegedly be a Jacob-Centric episode.

And a special "thanks" to the person who sent me Jacob's picture. :hat

[Mugshot]

Above average episode.

I liked it a lot more that I thought that I would being a Miles-Centric episode. There were plenty of "meat and potatoes" throughout the episode instead of teasers and "fluff and stuff" at the ending like it has been as of late.

One thing, though. They already took one week off several weeks ago and now not another new show for two weeks!!!! That's bullshit.

I'm goin' to bed now. Goodnite Goat.

[JudynTX]

Above average episode.

I liked it a lot more that I thought that I would being a Miles-Centric episode. There were plenty of "meat and potatoes" throughout the episode instead of teasers and "fluff and stuff" at the ending like it has been as of late.

One thing, though. They already took one week off several weeks ago and now not another new show for two weeks!!!! That's bullshit.

I'm goin' to bed now. Goodnite Goat.

:eyebrows I told ya that was Miles's father! Touching moment though when he saw himself as a baby. :(

And Kate had to go open her big mouth to Ben's dad. She can be dumb sometimes. :rolleyes :lol

[sonic21]

"The ditch had a gun?"
"Let's face it: Ewoks suck, dude!"

Kate was annoying. Why do you have to go to Roger, woman? Ok her heart was in the right place, but does she have to get involved in everything?

oh and little miles is really cute!!

We do know now that Widmore is not behind Ilana's motives but she's likely associated with the group that kidnapped Miles (and his fish taco). SO Ilana is on the opposite side of Widmore based on this episode. So, is Ben with Ilana or is there a THIRD side?

[Mugshot]

So, is Ben with Ilana or is there a THIRD side?

I'm guessing a third side.



We do know now that Widmore is not behind Ilana's motives but she's likely associated with the group that kidnapped Miles (and his fish taco).

She is associated with them. The guy in the van is the guy that's with Ilana on the island.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/2/2d/5x13_Bramvan.png/250px-5x13_Bramvan.png

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/5/52/Confrontation.jpg/250px-Confrontation.jpg

[Mugshot]

By the way...the dude's name is Bram.

[Jacob1983]

I was surprised by this episode. I didn't think an episode about Miles would be that good. His story was a pretty good one. It was pretty predictable that Dr. Chang was his dad. The Star Wars references were funny. Kate was annoying in the episode. Jack was too. He's kinda become the pussy of the show now. I'm curious to see where and/or when Daniel has been.

[FaithInOne]

This last episode sucked big time.

[Blake]

:eyebrows I told ya that was Miles's father! Touching moment though when he saw himself as a baby. :(

as soon as we saw Dr Chang first holding the baby a few weeks ago....


And Kate had to go open her big mouth to Ben's dad. She can be dumb sometimes. :rolleyes :lol

Kate's pretty much dumb all the time.

[Blake]

I also had a feeling that Hurley and Miles (after they started hanging out together) would fill each other in on their dead people abilities.

Pretty cheesy way to explain Ben asking Miles "why are you asking for $3.2 million? Why not $3.1 or $3.3?"

I was also wondering when/if they were ever going to get back to the numbers......

[Mugshot]

Kate's pretty much dumb all the time.

There's only one thing that a girl like that is good for....

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1795/evangelinelillys.jpg

[FaithInOne]

^ *Moment of silence to appreciate the greatness that is Evangeline Lilly*







Finally.....FINALLY...a good episode.

That lady is colllllllldddd bloooooodddded.

[tp2021]

Daniel's death certainly adds to all the confusion. If he stays alive, there probably wouldn't be a need for another season.

[Xylus]

Classic Lost episode. The look in Daniel's eyes as the screen turns to black was truly haunting.

[jaffies]

Awesome episode.
This episode was the beginning of the issues that will be dealt with in the season finale.

[JudynTX]

Awesome episode.
This episode was the beginning of the issues that will be dealt with in the season finale.

This episode delivered!!!!!! :tu I read a spoiler prior to viewing, but was still surprised at everything revealed. So Penny & Faraday are brother & sister. His own mother shoots him! WTF? Now we know why the hydrogen bomb is on the island.

Jack & Kate will join The Others?

With everything that's happening @ Dharma, is this is the "war" that Widmore & Ben are referring to?

[FaithInOne]

Jack's character sucks now imo. He gets swayed a different direction every episode nowadays. "We've got to get to the island!"..."We've gotta leave this island"

[JudynTX]

Jack's character sucks now imo. He gets swayed a different direction every episode nowadays. "We've got to get to the island!"..."We've gotta leave this island"

Could it be because he's being lied to by Ms. Hawkings?

[sonic21]

awesome episode.

But I was hoping we were gonna see what Daniel was going through when he was experimenting on himself, maybe see how his mind traveled back and forth like Desmond's, and why Desmond was supposed to be his constant.

[FaithInOne]

Between Daniel and Eko, LOST kills off the best characters :(

[JudynTX]

Between Daniel and Eko, LOST kills off the best characters :(

I don't think Daniel dies. :)

[tp2021]

I don't think Daniel dies. :)

I don't know. It's not exactly a coincidence that Daniel himself explained earlier in the episode that none of them are safe from death like they think.

[Xylus]

Daniel is dead.

The camera stayed focus on his face to show the life draining from his eyes. It was excellent acting by Jeremy Davies to be able to go from being alive to appearing to be dead in a matter of seconds without really adjusting his expression.

[sonic21]

I think it was out of character how faraday acted at the end, he stormed in to the hostiles camp with a gun and fired, why didn't he just go with his hands up in the air asking for eloise?

[Jacob1983]

I think Daniel is dead, and then he not dead. His mom did shoot him so the present version of him is probably dead but the past version is probably still alive. I think that cause his mom will still probably get pregnant and have him and he will grow up. It does suck that Daniel got killed. I would have picked him as the MVP of Lost this season. Jack has sucked since he got back on the island. He's turned into a pussy. Jack and Kate might be able to save Daniel if they can follow through on his plan. I mean if they follow through on his plan then the plane never crashes and Daniel wouldn't have ever gone to the island.

[Blake]

I don't think Daniel dies. :)

+1

if Richard saved Ben from a gunshot, I would think a quick trip to the temple should fix things.

It would also make no sense for Eloise to send her son to the island, knowing she would shoot him later, unless she also knew that he would be ok.

[Blake]

I think it was out of character how faraday acted at the end, he stormed in to the hostiles camp with a gun and fired, why didn't he just go with his hands up in the air asking for eloise?

I thought that was weird too.

They forced that scene.

[Blake]

This episode delivered!!!!!! :tu I read a spoiler prior to viewing, but was still surprised at everything revealed. So Penny & Faraday are brother & sister. His own mother shoots him! WTF? Now we know why the hydrogen bomb is on the island.

Jack & Kate will join The Others?

With everything that's happening @ Dharma, is this is the "war" that Widmore & Ben are referring to?

maybe all of them join the others

Penny and Daniel are at least half brother/sister........it doesn't really look like Eloise is Penny's mom.

[JudynTX]

+1

if Richard saved Ben from a gunshot, I would think a quick trip to the temple should fix things.

It would also make no sense for Eloise to send her son to the island, knowing she would shoot him later, unless she also knew that he would be ok.

Yea, I think Richard is going to save Daniel. :)

BEST WRITTEN SHOW ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blake]

someone explain to me why a rich dude like Widmore who has everything now would want to go back to the island and live like Gilligan?

[Spurminator]

+1

if Richard saved Ben from a gunshot, I would think a quick trip to the temple should fix things.

It would also make no sense for Eloise to send her son to the island, knowing she would shoot him later, unless she also knew that he would be ok.

UNLESS she knew that shooting him was part of the chain of events that eventually led to HAVING him...

:dizzy

[Extra Stout]

+1

if Richard saved Ben from a gunshot, I would think a quick trip to the temple should fix things.

It would also make no sense for Eloise to send her son to the island, knowing she would shoot him later, unless she also knew that he would be ok.
You watched Daniel die. Ben wasn't dead when he went to the temple.

You watched Eloise dress down Charles Widmore, after he talked about his "sacrificing" his relationship with Penny. "Don't talk to me about sacrifice," she said, after she sent her son back to the island, knowing that he would...

Umm, DIE.

Then when Charles said, "He's my son too," she slapped him.

Your son? Did you raise him, push him, to grow up to be the man he was, knowing that his destiny was to die at your own hand? Don't talk to me about how 'he's your son too' you bastard!

You watched Daniel as the life slipped from his eyes. "You knew! You sent me back, knowing all along..."

That you would kill me.

How much more obvious could they make it?

[Blake]

UNLESS she knew that shooting him was part of the chain of events that eventually led to HAVING him...

:dizzy

then why would she want to have him in the first place, knowing that she would shoot him later?

[Blake]

You watched Daniel die. Ben wasn't dead when he went to the temple.

You watched Eloise dress down Charles Widmore, after he talked about his "sacrificing" his relationship with Penny. "Don't talk to me about sacrifice," she said, after she sent her son back to the island, knowing that he would...

Umm, DIE.

Then when Charles said, "He's my son too," she slapped him.

Your son? Did you raise him, push him, to grow up to be the man he was, knowing that his destiny was to die at your own hand? Don't talk to me about how 'he's your son too' you bastard!

You watched Daniel as the life slipped from his eyes. "You knew! You sent me back, knowing all along..."

That you would kill me.

How much more obvious could they make it?

so "dead is dead"? :lol

see: Locke

[JudynTX]

Until I see them bury Daniel, I'm not convinced he's dead.

[ATRAIN]

so "dead is dead"? :lol

see: Locke

Good point, but Locke didnt die on the island.

[LnGrrrR]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers
Smoke monster
Miles' ability
Desmond's ability
Jacob
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons
The button

Anyone want to add more?

[tp2021]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers
Smoke monster
Miles' ability
Desmond's ability
Jacob
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons
The button

Anyone want to add more?

Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?

[Extra Stout]

so "dead is dead"? :lol

see: Locke
You're treating this show like some kind of objective reality you're observing from afar, rather than a narrative with writers behind it, writers who are trying to bring the narrative together to a close.

They gave us clues about Locke. He's a "proxy" for Christian Shephard. Notice how Christian is up and about?

In the church where Ben brought Jack, Kate, and Sun to meet Eloise, and where Desmond showed up too, the painting of Jesus (who was resurrected, representing LOCKE) and doubting Thomas (who represented JACK) figured prominently. That was a giant flashing marquee sign for you: "WE'RE GOING TO RESURRECT LOCKE."

Locke is supposed to be the leader of the Others. Well, in the story so far, he led the Others for about five seconds before he started flashing through time. He hasn't fulfilled his destiny. It was clear his story wasn't finished.

Daniel's story is finished. They painted all the numbers and drew all the lines for you. They even gave you a preview where they show Jack taking Daniel's notebook and intending to carry out Daniel's plan to detonate the H-bomb himself. Jack will end up causing "The Incident" and in trying to prevent the sequence of events that lead to Flight 815's crashing, he instead will bring them about. They are telegraphing the irony.

[tp2021]

Jack will end up causing "The Incident" and in trying to prevent the sequence of events that lead to Flight 815's crashing, he instead will bring them about. They are telegraphing the irony.

So do you think Daniel was wrong in thinking they could change things, or are they just gonna fuck up?

[Extra Stout]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers Unknown
Smoke monster We know that it is the security system for the temple, but do not have an explanation for the essence of what it is.
Miles' ability Has something to do with the island
Desmond's ability Has to do with the electromagnetism he was exposed to when he turned the failsafe key
Jacob Will be appearing in the season finale
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons Just a storytelling device, not a mystery
The button Was part of a hastily developed scheme to prevent the electromagnetic energy source at the Swan station from being unleashed

Anyone want to add more?

[JudynTX]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers
Smoke monster
Miles' ability
Desmond's ability
Jacob
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons
The button

Anyone want to add more?

Is Juliet pregnant?

[Extra Stout]

So do you think Daniel was wrong in thinking they could change things, or are they just gonna fuck up?
If Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since...

[Blake]

Good point, but Locke didnt die on the island.

that's the weird thing that is also not explained....

why is it that when you get sick/hurt/dead off the island, that you can come to the island to get healed.......

yet if you get sick/hurt/dead on the island, you are pretty much screwed.........unless Richard can get you to the temple before you die.....

[Spurminator]

then why would she want to have him in the first place, knowing that she would shoot him later?

Maybe when she conceived him she figured she could change the outcome... only to later find out she had to direct him to his own death. You saw how depressed she was when she told him he couldn't play piano anymore. I'm guessing that scene was preceded by a very serious conversation with his father.

[sonic21]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers
Smoke monster
Miles' ability
Desmond's ability
Jacob
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons
The button

Anyone want to add more?

-the fertility issues.
-How dharma found out about, found, and ultimately came to the island.
-storage/removal/disassembling of Jughead

[Blake]

So what mysteries are still unanswered? Running tally I can think of:

The numbers
Smoke monster
Miles' ability
Desmond's ability
Jacob
The Black and White theme in earlier seasons
The button

Anyone want to add more?

I'm betting the numbers explanation will be lame.

Smoke monster is becoming easier to guess......it's some kind of extension of the island/temple that kills off people it doesn't need

Miles' ability/ Hurley's ability

Desmond's ability seemed to come from the blast. Walt's ability is the mystery.
If Walt and Daniel both end up having been born on the island (like Miles), then that might explain their special abilities.

Jacob was a weak concoction by the writers from season...(2?). I honestly believe they wish they could have that one back.

black and white is a mystery?

the button? I thought was just the dharma thing trying to keep the island from exploding?


Claire's disappearance is still a mystery.

Richard's apparent ability to never age is a mystery.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm betting the numbers explanation will be lame.

Smoke monster is becoming easier to guess......it's some kind of extension of the island/temple that kills off people it doesn't need

Miles' ability/ Hurley's ability

Desmond's ability seemed to come from the blast. Walt's ability is the mystery.
If Walt and Daniel both end up having been born on the island (like Miles), then that might explain their special abilities.

Jacob was a weak concoction by the writers from season...(2?). I honestly believe they wish they could have that one back.

black and white is a mystery?

the button? I thought was just the dharma thing trying to keep the island from exploding?


Claire's disappearance is still a mystery.

Richard's apparent ability to never age is a mystery.

Well, more the mystery of why they focused so much on the black/white dichotomy in the earlier seasons, then seemed to go away from it entirely. And they never quite explained how the button worked to discharge the magnetic flux, but then again, I doubt they will.

Thanks for the one about Richard's age! Good call.

Also, the statue, and the use of hieroglyphics.

[Blake]

You're treating this show like some kind of objective reality you're observing from afar, rather than a narrative with writers behind it, writers who are trying to bring the narrative together to a close.

huh?

The writers can do whatever they want as long as it stays within the rules that have already set.

You can't assume Daniel is dead based on the way the episode ended any more than you could assume that Ben was dead the way that episode ended.


They gave us clues about Locke. He's a "proxy" for Christian Shephard. Notice how Christian is up and about?

huh? Christian has been up and about before and after Locke's death and revival.


In the church where Ben brought Jack, Kate, and Sun to meet Eloise, and where Desmond showed up too, the painting of Jesus (who was resurrected, representing LOCKE) and doubting Thomas (who represented JACK) figured prominently. That was a giant flashing marquee sign for you: "WE'RE GOING TO RESURRECT LOCKE."

great. Locke being resurrected on the island along with Ben being healed after being shot means it is within the rules to save Daniel.


Daniel's story is finished. They painted all the numbers and drew all the lines for you. They even gave you a preview where they show Jack taking Daniel's notebook and intending to carry out Daniel's plan to detonate the H-bomb himself. Jack will end up causing "The Incident" and in trying to prevent the sequence of events that lead to Flight 815's crashing, he instead will bring them about. They are telegraphing the irony.

You have a good point there.

I guess I need to look up and see if I can find out if his contract is over.

[Blake]

If Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since...

whoa. Im not even attempting to read this.

[Extra Stout]

huh?

The writers can do whatever they want as long as it stays within the rules that have already set.
The writers can do what they want. But when they tell you through the narrative what they are doing, pay attention.


You can't assume Daniel is dead based on the way the episode ended any more than you could assume that Ben was dead the way that episode ended.
In what episode did they show Ben dying? Do you mean the one where Locke saw him lying unconscious and said, "He's the guy who killed me" ? The one where Caesar said Ben was "one of the injured" ? Injured, as in not dead.


huh? Christian has been up and about before and after Locke's death and revival.Christian was dead. He came to the island. Now he's not particularly dead. Locke was a proxy for Christian on the Ajira flight, since Eloise and Ben couldn't just go get Christian's body off the island to put in a coffin on the flight. Now Locke's not particularly dead either.


great. Locke being resurrected on the island along with Ben being healed after being shot means it is within the rules to save Daniel.It has nothing to do with "rules." It has to do with the writers telling you through the narrative they presented "we just killed Daniel off" and you either not paying attention or choosing not to believe it.

[Blake]

The writers can do what they want. But when they tell you through the narrative what they are doing, pay attention.

eh. that's debatable.

either way, TV guide confirmed that he is no longer a full time member, so he is dead.

The question asked is "is he Locke dead, Charlie dead, or Christian dead?"


In what episode did they show Ben dying? Do you mean the one where Locke saw him lying unconscious and said, "He's the guy who killed me" ? The one where Caesar said Ben was "one of the injured" ? Injured, as in not dead.

no, the one where Sayid gunned him down.


Christian was dead. He came to the island. Now he's not particularly dead. Locke was a proxy for Christian on the Ajira flight, since Eloise and Ben couldn't just go get Christian's body off the island to put in a coffin on the flight. Now Locke's not particularly dead either.

difference being that Christian is dead in a Jacob kind of way. Locke appears 100% back to life, ready to lead the Others.


It has nothing to do with "rules." It has to do with the writers telling you through the narrative they presented "we just killed Daniel off" and you either not paying attention or choosing not to believe it.

I already said you had a point.

You win. Daniel's dead and you read the narrative and saw it coming. congrats.

[JudynTX]

Blake, you can't change the plot! :lol

[Extra Stout]

no, the one where Sayid gunned him down.
If young Ben dies, it creates a paradox, since he can't grow up and bring Sayid back to the island to shoot him. When the writers spend the previous few weeks drilling into our heads that "what happened, happened" and that the past can't be changed, it gives us clues not to give up on little Ben just yet. When little Ben is in the infirmary with seemingly no chance of survival, and meanwhile Hurley is staring at his hand wondering if he is going to disappear on account on the paradox, it's the writers being goofy and telling you "we already know our way out of this."

If Faraday dies in his own "present," after telling Jack and Kate a few minutes beforehand, "hey, any of us could die!" in an episode where they finish telling Daniel's backstory and show us his mother getting all emotional about sacrificing him, it gives us clues that we can go ahead and order the flower arrangement.


difference being that Christian is dead in a Jacob kind of way. Locke appears 100% back to life, ready to lead the Others.
Do you really know what you think you know about Jacob?

[JudynTX]

BTW........I know what Jacob looks like, but I won't post his pic here to spoil it. :D

[sonic21]

jacob=vincent

[JudynTX]

jacob=vincent

:lol:lol Nope, speaking of...........where the F is Vincent? :(

[sonic21]

BTW........I know what Jacob looks like, but I won't post his pic here to spoil it. :D

is it the pic when we see him in the cabin?

[JudynTX]

is it the pic when we see him in the cabin?

No sir, it's the actor who is playing Jacob. PM you? :D

[sonic21]

No sir, it's the actor who is playing Jacob. PM you? :D

ok :tu

[JudynTX]

Sent

[sonic21]

thanks, now i have to give that precious information to many people.

[JudynTX]

thanks, now i have to give that precious information to many people.

All these years, I wondered "Who the hell is Jacob"? :lol Didn't you think it was Christian the first time they showed him?

[sonic21]

All these years, I wondered "Who the hell is Jacob"? :lol Didn't you think it was Christian the first time they showed him?

i had many theories about jacob, i thought he was aaron, walt, christian, richard...

[tp2021]

If Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since Jack did actually change things and prevent the Incident, then his flight wouldn't crash, he never would go back in time, and wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident. Since he wouldn't be there to prevent the Incident, his flight would crash, he would go back in time, and would be there to prevent the Incident. Since...

You could have just said Daniel is wrong. Smart guy.

[jaffies]

just a reminder that this should be a spoiler-free thread.

I went through the whole spoiler-reading phase and it completely ruined some of the better episodes of the series.

Imagine going to see 'The Sixth Sense', only the title is changed to 'Hey, Isn't that Donny from New Kids on the Block That Just Killed Bruce Willis?"

[exstatic]

just a reminder that this should be a spoiler-free thread.

I went through the whole spoiler-reading phase and it completely ruined some of the better episodes of the series.

Imagine going to see 'The Sixth Sense', only the title is changed to 'Hey, Isn't that Donny from New Kids on the Block That Just Killed Bruce Willis?"

Since this thread has evolved into a discussion of the just aired episode, how can there even BE spoilers here? If people are discussing events to come, it's conjecture. If you missed the episode, DON'T READ THIS THREAD.

[jaffies]

Since this thread has evolved into a discussion of the just aired episode, how can there even BE spoilers here? If people are discussing events to come, it's conjecture. If you missed the episode, DON'T READ THIS THREAD.

Well, just the whole 'I know who Jacob is' discussion.


All these years, I wondered "Who the hell is Jacob"? :lol Didn't you think it was Christian the first time they showed him?


i had many theories about jacob, i thought he was aaron, walt, christian, richard...

I now know of a couple of the show's characters that are not him.

[Jacob1983]

So for those that don't read spoilers, do you think Jack and Kate are going to follow through on Daniel's plan and change the future?

[sonic21]

Well, just the whole 'I know who Jacob is' discussion.





I now know of a couple of the show's characters that are not him.

sorry about that, i won't do that again :(

[exstatic]

Well, just the whole 'I know who Jacob is' discussion.





I now know of a couple of the show's characters that are not him.

Actually, you know what some people here think about who Jacob is. Since the identity of Jacob hasn't been revealed yet, and Lost is a giant mind fuck, Jacob could wind up being any of those characters you didn't think, any of the ones you did think, or the Giant Spaghetti Monster.

On the other hand, if you don't want us to discuss what we think because maybe you hadn't thought of it yet, well, go away. This is in fact a thread to discuss Lost and our thoughts or projections of what might happen.

[AFBlue]

I think it was out of character how faraday acted at the end, he stormed in to the hostiles camp with a gun and fired, why didn't he just go with his hands up in the air asking for eloise?

My friend commented on this, but I think it had to do with the fact that he had such little time (6hrs) to prevent "the incident". Here's the one observation my friend made that was hilarious...

Why did they need guns? It seems like everytime they grab guns something crazy or terrible happens. I mean, clearly if the Others want to kill you, your gun will do nothing to stop them.

So I'm "+1" on your point.

[AFBlue]

then why would she want to have him in the first place, knowing that she would shoot him later?

Eloise believes in "destiny". Her thought on time is that nothing changes and everything happens for a reason.

Daniel did not think that and maybe you do not think that...but that was Eloise's driving force....so she knew she HAD to have Daniel and that's what pushed her to be what she was in that episode...a stubborn, pushy mother.

[JudynTX]

just a reminder that this should be a spoiler-free thread.

I went through the whole spoiler-reading phase and it completely ruined some of the better episodes of the series.



:( I'm sorry for mentioning possible spoiler information, it won't happen again. I'll just PM the LOSTie's that want to know. :D

[jaffies]

On the other hand, if you don't want us to discuss what we think because maybe you hadn't thought of it yet, well, go away. This is in fact a thread to discuss Lost and our thoughts or projections of what might happen.

Point taken.
I wasn't trying to start an argument, my post probably came off the wrong way. There's nothing I want more than the speculation and discussion that this thread has been consistently providing.



I don't want, in any way, to hinder, stop, or censor any poster's contributions to what is one of my favorite threads here.


sorry about that, i won't do that again :(


:( I'm sorry for mentioning possible spoiler information, it won't happen again. I'll just PM the LOSTie's that want to know. :D

I should definitely be more careful in the way I word things. I wasn't angry. I was just being a baby. I apologize. :toast

[JudynTX]

I should definitely be more careful in the way I word things. I wasn't angry. I was just being a baby. I apologize. :toast



:toast Hugs! Cheers to the best show on TV! :p:

[sonic21]

I should definitely be more careful in the way I word things. I wasn't angry. I was just being a baby. I apologize. :toast

:toast

[Blake]

If young Ben dies, it creates a paradox, since he can't grow up and bring Sayid back to the island to shoot him. When the writers spend the previous few weeks drilling into our heads that "what happened, happened" and that the past can't be changed, it gives us clues not to give up on little Ben just yet. When little Ben is in the infirmary with seemingly no chance of survival, and meanwhile Hurley is staring at his hand wondering if he is going to disappear on account on the paradox, it's the writers being goofy and telling you "we already know our way out of this."

got that one


If Faraday dies in his own "present," after telling Jack and Kate a few minutes beforehand, "hey, any of us could die!" in an episode where they finish telling Daniel's backstory and show us his mother getting all emotional about sacrificing him, it gives us clues that we can go ahead and order the flower arrangement.

didn't catch that one



Do you really know what you think you know about Jacob?

golly, I guess not. :lol

you must either be a writer for the show, an Other or a super genius that is better than the rest of us.

when i was talking about Christian being dead in a different way, Christian said he could not help Locke up after he fell down the well.

Locke actually offered to help Ben up out of the hole in the temple.

Locke and Christian so far are not dead/alive in the same way. You being the super genius you are, should be able to figure that out.

[Extra Stout]

you must either be a writer for the show, an Other or a super genius that is better than the rest of us.
Everything I tell you, I tell you for the good of the Island.


when i was talking about Christian being dead in a different way, Christian said he could not help Locke up after he fell down the well.

Locke actually offered to help Ben up out of the hole in the temple.

Locke and Christian so far are not dead/alive in the same way. You being the super genius you are, should be able to figure that out.
I don't think the writers foreshadowed exactly what the nature of Locke's resurrection would be. I wasn't sure whether he would be Jacob's mouthpiece, or Christian's mouthpiece, or what. I wasn't sure whether he would be an apparition or flesh and blood.

I can only discern what the writers tell me. Well, them and Jacob.

[JudynTX]

:wakeup Does anyone post @ The Fuselage? Those are some serious fans of the show! :lol

[Death In June]

I'm hoping for some guyliner backstory next episode, or another Locke centric episode.

[Mugshot]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/lost-producers-talk-surprising-death_article_17393

LOST Producers Talk Surprising Death

LAST UPDATED: April 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES, Calif. --

“Lost” celebrated its 100th episode on Wednesday night with the death of a very important character – and producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof told TV Guide in a new interview that the death had launched the “the start of the final chapter of the entire series.”

(SPOILER ALERT: Stop if you haven’t seen the 100th episode!)

In the episode, Daniel Faraday – the time-travel expert physicist played by Jeremy Davies – returned to the island in 1977 from the Dharma Initiative’s headquarters in Michigan. Thinking that he and the Oceanic 6 were “variables” who could change the future, he tried to track down his mother, Eloise Hawking – only to be shot by her in the Others’ camp at the episode’s conclusion.

“It was an incredibly painful thing to kill this beloved character,” Carlton told TV Guide. “But we feel that’s what this show has to do. His death is kind of the culminating event in the entire season. It really ends one chapter and commences the start of the final chapter of the entire series. Once we explained that to Jeremy, while he was personally saddened that his full-time status on ‘Lost’ was coming to an end, he put the story above his own personal self.”

Damon seconded Carlton’s emotions, adding that Jeremy had taken the news well.

“When Carlton and I called Jeremy to explain what was going to be happening with Faraday, we’ve never had a more awesome exit interview with somebody on the show,” he said.

The character of the quirky scientist, who was introduced in Season 4, became a fan favorite, and the producers were quick to praise Jeremy’s work on the show.

“For us, Faraday really was the cornerstone of the fifth season – he really shined,” Damon said. “I can’t imagine what Season 5 would have looked like without Jeremy Davies. When you think about all the crazy stuff that had to come out of that guy’s mouth, for him to be as interesting and emotional and poetic as he was is really extraordinary.”

He’ll be missed by his castmates as well, though he may not be done with “Lost” – Carlton only said Jeremy’s “full-time” status was over, and dead characters have been known to reappear on the show.

“[He was] a great sensitive guy who got deep into his character. He really lived it,” Michael Emerson, who plays Ben Linus, told the mag.

And while his on-screen character was discouraged from playing piano by his disapproving mother, Jeremy had no problem bringing his tunes to the set.

“Most actors walk around with headphones, but Jeremy would walk around holding a miniature boom box,” Terry O’Quinn, who plays John Locke, added. “He always wanted to provide music for everyone — whether they wanted it or not.”

Copyright 2009 by NBC Universal, Inc. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[JudynTX]

La la la la, I don't hear that.

[Blake]

La la la la, I don't hear that.

:lol

they just verified Faraday's death.....that's it.

[JudynTX]

:lol

they just verified Faraday's death.....that's it.

Yea, I know, but I want to believe he's still alive. :depressed

[LnGrrrR]

Watch this show end with some, "So the secret of the island is!..."

BOOOOOOM as Jughead goes off

:D

[JudynTX]

Hilarious! Print your own Dharma food & drink labels. :toast:lol

http://maxpictures.com/weblog/2007/04/10/lost-labels-for-your-dharma-initiative-needs/

[sonic21]

they're killing all my favourite characters (eko, faraday).
please desmond don't die, you're the only one left.

[JudynTX]

Two more weeks people!!!!

[sonic21]

... and we will have to wait 10 months yeeeeaaaaaahhh!!!!

[JudynTX]

... and we will have to wait 10 months yeeeeaaaaaahhh!!!!

Yea, but I'm not looking forward to this show ending. :depressed

[Blake]

Yea, but I'm not looking forward to this show ending. :depressed

maybe there'll be a spinoff......"The madcap adventures of Sayid and Hurley"

hey ES, ask the writers if there'll be a spinoff...

or is it already obvious and I'm just not able to read between the lines like you?

[JudynTX]

maybe there'll be a spinoff......"The madcap adventures of Sayid and Hurley"

Sawyer needs his own show damn it! :lol


hey ES, ask the writers if there'll be a spinoff...

or is it already obvious and I'm just not able to read between the lines like you?

hilarious

[Extra Stout]

maybe there'll be a spinoff......"The madcap adventures of Sayid and Hurley"

hey ES, ask the writers if there'll be a spinoff...

or is it already obvious and I'm just not able to read between the lines like you?
Of course it's obvious.

Ask yourself, "Has ABC offered the producers enough money for them to sacrifice their self-stated "artistic principles" and concoct a shamelessly half-baked spinoff?"

[tp2021]

I hate Kate so much.

[Mugshot]

I hate Kate so much.

I think that her destiny is to create awkward situations. :lol

Overall, it was a pretty good episode. I loved Richard working on Black Rock in a bottle at the beginning. I just thought that we would get more info on Richard in this episode. I guess that they will save that for next season.

[JudynTX]

I hate Kate so much.

+1 She ruined a perfectly romantic moment between Sawyer & Juliet!

How does Locke plan on killing Jacob? :wow And it was such an out of body experience to see the Locke scene, now we know why Richard just appeared out of nowhere in that episode!

[Blake]

I hate Kate so much.

You ever watch the old Jonny Quest cartoons?

She's like that dog Bandit. Good for nothing but getting into trouble and putting everyone else in danger.

[JudynTX]

:lol What, the producers couldn't find a real submarine to use for the show? The scene with the sub going down was so freakin fake looking. :bang

[Blake]

:lol What, the producers couldn't find a real submarine to use for the show? The scene with the sub going down was so freakin fake looking. :bang

:lol

they spent all of their special effects money on the plane crash scenes.

[JudynTX]

:lol

they spent all of their special effects money on the plane crash scenes.

Lame! :lol

[sonic21]

I hate all this love quadrangle stuff. Why can't they (the Lost authorities) just make up their freakin' minds on who're the couples. Poor Juliet. :(

Wow. The last time I screamed WTF?! at a Lost episode was.. oh wait, it was Locke, and it was right before the Season 4 finale "We have to move the island." Damn he gets the best lines.

Well this season has gotten interesting hasn't it? Jack has turned into Locke, Kate has turned into Jack, and Sawyer just sold everyone out so he could get the hell outta there!

[sonic21]

I hate Kate so much.

+1000

I think it's pointless to have Kate come between sawyer and Juliet, because I think they have much more chemistry now.

[FaithInOne]

Lost hit its prime after the 2nd season.

I don't really enjoy this show anymore. It all seems like filler episodes to stretch the show out till the final season. I just watch to figure out what Jacob is and what the purpose behind the island is.

Lost was epic when you didn't know shit about wtf was going on.

[mFFL03]

Jack has turned into Locke, Kate has turned into Jack, and Sawyer just sold everyone out so he could get the hell outta there!

"we'll invest in the internet...bet the cowboys in '78....we'll have a good life"

haha exactly what I'd do

[Jacob1983]

Kate is a bitch. The only reason why she doesn't want Jack to stop their plane from crashing is because she's scared of owning up to her mistakes and going to prison. If their plane doesn't crash, then she goes to prison for a long time. She just doesn't want to go to the slammer.

[tp2021]

I like the way Sayid puts it. Either they fix it, or they get put out of their misery. Those aren't bad options.

[Mugshot]

Kate is a bitch. The only reason why she doesn't want Jack to stop their plane from crashing is because she's scared of owning up to her mistakes and going to prison. If their plane doesn't crash, then she goes to prison for a long time. She just doesn't want to go to the slammer.

Pretty much....

[JudynTX]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/ladyspur/LOSTcake.jpg

Duff from Ace of Cakes made this for the cast & crew., to celebrate the
100th episode of the show. :D

[sonic21]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/ladyspur/LOSTcake.jpg

Duff from Ace of Cakes made this for the cast & crew., to celebrate the
100th episode of the show. :D

nice
who is behind desmond (?) and sayid? i don't recognize him

[JudynTX]

nice
who is behind desmond (?) and sayid? i don't recognize him

Eko? :lol

T minus 8 hours until the season finale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :downspin:

[sonic21]

Eko? :lol

T minus 8 hours until the season finale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :downspin:
i live in france, so i have to wait tomorrow after work :(

[JudynTX]

i live in france, so i have to wait tomorrow after work :(

:( Well that sucks.

[sonic21]

it's the season finale, so i'll try to watch it live (at 3 am)

[JudynTX]

it's the season finale, so i'll try to watch it live (at 3 am)

What a trooper. :D

Do you want to make any predictions on who gets killed tonight?

[sonic21]

What a trooper. :D

Do you want to make any predictions on who gets killed tonight?


the dharma crew? :p:

[Ginofan]

Holy. Effin'. Shit.

[FaithInOne]

I like this Jacob/Other guy demi-god battle.

It's got an ancient greek mythology feel to it.


Oh how I remember the good ol' days of Lost when the writers kept promising the series could be tied up by real world science. Or maybe they said pseudoscience. I can't remember.

[Mugshot]

Those commercials were killing me...

[Jacob1983]

So do you think they changed the future by setting the bomb off?

[jman3000]

Sweet. I totally called what was in the silver case when I first saw it.

Jason 1

LOST 0

[jman3000]

i kinda got a hint when Locke was referring to himself in the 3rd person when they came up to Locke shot in the leg in the jungle.

He said something like "He gave him the compass"

It just stood out as weird... because if i were to see myself and refer to myself... id still say "he gave me the compass"

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty fucking good episode

[MannyIsGod]

Actually, pretty fucking good season.

[Jacob1983]

So Locke wasn't really Locke? Locke was the man talking to Jacob on the beach at the beginning of the episode when they were looking at Pirates of the Caribbean? I thought Jacob was a god. He got stabbed by Ben and died. What is up with that?

[blizz]

Ben was the loophole. Maybe the loophole was that the gods couldn't kill each other. Maybe he ha to convince a human to kill him. Ben, to me, symbolized humanity...asking "what about me?" and being easily influenced to do evil. Jacob to me was more Jesus-like, and the other one more like the devil.

[jaffies]

Just finished watching on TiVo (I'm watching again as I type this).
Holy shit! I've never finished a LOST episode in pure shock, I'm still a little numb.
I've got 100 different thoughts going on in my weak noggin.

How long has this 'NotLocke' guy been around? I'm thinking he has been there from the beginning. I think he could be every unexplainable appearance by a character (dead or not) in the show. He could have been Christian Shephard on the beach, cabin, cave, etc., Walt appearing to Locke, Eko's brother appearing to Eko, most (if not all) of Hurley's visions, this guy has been setting this thing up for years! Shit, I think there's a good chance he was Jacob in all those flashbacks. Also, notice Jacob wearing white and 'NotLocke' wearing black on the beach in the opening scene (light vs. dark, good vs. evil). I also thought it was weird that he managed to touch everyone of the Losties in their flashbacks. Also, since the Jacob killing seemed waaaaaay to easy, I don't think that was Jacob at all. I do have some thoughts as to who really is Jacob, you can probably guess who.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking the bomb went off, but might not have changed as much as thought. If it goes off, we don't get to find out what happened with the Jacob situation, as it would never come to pass. And I'm sure we'll get to see the conclusion of that. I just don't know how they would survive (time flash?). It doesn't seem like Juliet's story is over.

I at one time, and still now, do not like Rose's character and meh for Bernard. But I did like seeing them and seeing them taking care of Vincent. I don't think they will end up being 'Adam and Eve', but they seem to be pretty good candidates.

P.S. What's up with Walt? Is his story over? Wasn't he extremely important to the others? Did we get nothing out of this?

going to sleep...finish later

[JudynTX]

:wow I don't know where to begin............I have so many questions, and I have 10 months to think about them. :bang Did the bomb go off? Does Sayid die? :( Will Rose & Bernard be that skeleton couple they found in the cave?

So Locke wasn't Locke. OMGOMG

They didn't show the front of the statue like I hoped they would. :rolleyes

:worthy::worthy::worthy:

[FaithInOne]

The final season should be awesome now that we see what is really going on.

A couple things I'm thinking is that the Smoke Monster and the Anti-Jacob might be the same thing. We know the smoke monster can shape-shift and it has been coddling Locke the entire time since the crash. The smoke monster also set up scaring Ben shitless into following Locke's (anti-jacob's) commands; FakeLocke was right above the meeting at the time.

Also, I doubt Jacob is dead and that was his only episode. He baited Ben to stab him like he knew what was going on. That's why he went back in time to the Hot Latin girl and told her to "help him" aka bring Locke's body to Richard.

In the end Free-Will and Love (Kate & Jack, Jin & Sun, Desmond & Penny, Sawyer & Juliet will save the day). Free-Will to change events in time, and Love to push the humans [survivors] to take on a demi-god.

[Ginofan]

I kind of thought of something while watching Sayid bleed out in the van.

Remember when the guys first found the van and it had that body in it with the "Horace" jumpsuit on? You think that was Sayid (He did steal Horace's suit for a disguise)?

But then they take the van to ambush the Swan station...so what did they do with Sayid?

[Death In June]

I hated the finale, and the last two seasons as a whole. There was very little revealed during this season, and it's starting to come off as lazy story telling. It's easy to hook your audience when you set up unanswered question after unanswered question. The wiggle room they left themselves, there could be no real consequence for anything. Just a disappointing episode and story arch. You could see what was coming after the first five minutes.

[tp2021]

I kind of thought of something while watching Sayid bleed out in the van.

Remember when the guys first found the van and it had that body in it with the "Horace" jumpsuit on? You think that was Sayid (He did steal Horace's suit for a disguise)?

But then they take the van to ambush the Swan station...so what did they do with Sayid?

I think the jumpsuit in the van belonged to Ben's dad.

I remember Hurley saying, "Roger Workman" like it was his name, and Sawyer told him "It's Work man. He was a janitor" or something to that effect.

[JudynTX]

At the end of the finale,....whose eye is it? Jack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/ladyspur/lostgif.gif

[sonic21]

What lies in the shadow of the statue?
Richard's answer in Latin translates to "he who protects us all" or "he who saves us all".
We had a better look at the head of the statue, i always thought it was anubis, but now it looks like it's Taweret (the goddess of materniy and childbirth, the protector of women and children).

[I Love Me Some Me]

What lies in the shadow of the statue?
Richard's answer in Latin translates to "he who protects us all" or "he who saves us all".
We had a better look at the head of the statue, i always thought it was anubis, but now it looks like it's Taweret (the goddess of materniy and childbirth, the protector of women and children).

I thought it wassa JarJar Binks.

[mFFL03]

I hated the finale, and the last two seasons as a whole. There was very little revealed during this season, and it's starting to come off as lazy story telling. It's easy to hook your audience when you set up unanswered question after unanswered question. The wiggle room they left themselves, there could be no real consequence for anything. Just a disappointing episode and story arch. You could see what was coming after the first five minutes.

you're an idiot. you obviously haven't been watching ANY of the episodes.

If you answered all the questions and had a clear story one hour at a time, you'd have ER, House, or The Office....not Lost.

There are only a few original questions left to answer. Those pertain to Walt, the healing powers of the island (locke's legs and rose's cancer), and how the Dharma Initiative found the island.

Other than that, we are set for this final season. I can't believe it's just about over. I can't even imagine what is going to happen next.

[Jacob1983]

I think that even if the bomb went off that it didn't change anything. I don't think it changed anything because I believe the plane crashing on the island is a part of all the Losties' destinies. They can't change that. Besides, Jacob was in all of the plane crash survivors' flashbacks so I'm guessing he made it where they got on the plane and that it crashed because it's their destiny. I may be the only one that feels this way but I kinda felt sorry for Ben in the season finale. He seemed like his whole world was destroyed.

[exstatic]

I think that even if the bomb went off that it didn't change anything. I don't think it changed anything because I believe the plane crashing on the island is a part of all the Losties' destinies. They can't change that. Besides, Jacob was in all of the plane crash survivors' flashbacks so I'm guessing he made it where they got on the plane and that it crashed because it's their destiny. I may be the only one that feels this way but I kinda felt sorry for Ben in the season finale. He seemed like his whole world was destroyed.

Looks like you're assuming one linear time line. There's a link somewhere in this thread to a web page with multiple time lines, showing that things had been changed and reset multiple times long before the bomb went off.

As for Ben Linus, F' him. He's a user and manipulator of the highest order, and it warmed my heart to see him led around by the nose and used by what I will call The Adversary.

[Blake]

The final season should be awesome now that we see what is really going on.

A couple things I'm thinking is that the Smoke Monster and the Anti-Jacob might be the same thing. We know the smoke monster can shape-shift and it has been coddling Locke the entire time since the crash. The smoke monster also set up scaring Ben shitless into following Locke's (anti-jacob's) commands; FakeLocke was right above the meeting at the time.

Also, I doubt Jacob is dead and that was his only episode. He baited Ben to stab him like he knew what was going on. That's why he went back in time to the Hot Latin girl and told her to "help him" aka bring Locke's body to Richard.

In the end Free-Will and Love (Kate & Jack, Jin & Sun, Desmond & Penny, Sawyer & Juliet will save the day). Free-Will to change events in time, and Love to push the humans [survivors] to take on a demi-god.

yeah, I started thinking too that the anti-jacob is also 'smokey' and had been the devil on the island.

I also think that Richard asking Jack "what do you think about Locke? I've gone off the island three times to test him and all three times there seemed to be nothing special about him" and Jack responding "don't give up on him"
leads us to believe that the real Locke is not 100% dead yet.

my questions:

is Christian a good guy or bad guy?

can anti-Jacob not see the future like Jacob can?

why in the world are Ben and Whitmore fighting to be leaders of the Others? What's the point?

[Blake]

Daniel's story is finished. They painted all the numbers and drew all the lines for you. They even gave you a preview where they show Jack taking Daniel's notebook and intending to carry out Daniel's plan to detonate the H-bomb himself. Jack will end up causing "The Incident" and in trying to prevent the sequence of events that lead to Flight 815's crashing, he instead will bring them about. They are telegraphing the irony.

ok super genius,

I think the writers clearly led us to believe it's over between Juliette and Sawyer, but is she dead?

[King]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

[ATRAIN]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

oo thats a good point!!

[Blake]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

there's no doubt that they jumped time.

they have to hurry and get back to 2007 in order to start the next season.

[Extra Stout]

ok super genius,

I think the writers clearly led us to believe it's over between Juliette and Sawyer, but is she dead?
I also think the writers clearly led us to believe that Juliette and Sawyer are not meant to be together, but I have no idea whether she is dead. They ended with the flash of white light to let us know that anything can happen with them. It's open-ended for now.

[Blake]

I also think the writers clearly led us to believe that Juliette and Sawyer are not meant to be together, but I have no idea whether she is dead. They ended with the flash of white light to let us know that anything can happen with them. It's open-ended for now.

the actress that plays Juliette signed on to do some episodes for the new series V, but it appears she might be doing just some guest spots.

If she signs on full time, I guess we can go ahead and assume she's Charlie dead.

[Extra Stout]

the actress that plays Juliette signed on to do some episodes for the new series V, but it appears she might be doing just some guest spots.

If she signs on full time, I guess we can go ahead and assume she's Charlie dead.
The actors' choices on whether or not to stay on the show trump the grand narrative of the producers.

Had Cane been picked up, there would be no more Richard Alpert.

As another example, there will be no explantion of Libby's backstory. They had it planned for Season 4, but those scenes had to be cut out due to the writers' strike. After flying all the way out to Hawaii for what ended up to be just a few seconds of screen time, Cynthia Watros is not interested in helping the producers tie up that loose end.

So who knows what will happen with Elizabeth Mitchell. With the way Season 5 ended, she could die, she could go back to 2001, she could go back to 2004, she could go back to 2007, she could end up on the Black Rock, or she could become the ancient Egyptian goddess of fertility. Who knows.

[sonic21]

here's a theory:

If you look on wikipedia.com, it talks about jacob and his twin "Esau's birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob)


Its all related to christianity to some degree. The tale goes that the father has a magical present or something and he can only give it to one of his boys. Esau was supposed to get it because he was the elder son. But jacob and his mom tricked the dad into giving it to jacob. Ever since then esau has been jealous of jacob. He was supposed to get the island..not jacob. he can't kill him either. sooo thats why there is a conflict between the two.

back to LOST: Esau tricked ben into killing jacob because he himself cant kill jacob. he orchesrated all the events. Helped get all the LOSTies back on the island. He knew that jon locke was close to ben and a leader and close to jacob. So he made him go back in time to "kill himself" and get the LOSTies back(as christian remember?) this made john locke dead. So this means that esau can take over lockes body(remember he was given christian shoe??)

After taking lockes body his next step is to convince ben to listen to him. He took ben to the smoke monster(aka his own house) Remember ben didn't know where the smoke monster lived??? job locke did!!!!(aka the smoke monster aka Esau). He brought him in and he "disappeared" he changed pods into bens daughter and told ben to listen to john locke no matter WHAT(aka listen to esau). So ben now HAS to listen to john locke. Then john locke tells him to kill Jacob(because esau cant). So tahts what ben did!!!

The reason why Esau is the smoke monster is because someone killed him a long time ago. he was then trapped in that house with that soil on the ground.(can someone clarify who broke the soil? hurley or ben/john locke in season 1?) Anyways, After the soil got cut, esau can finally leave the cabin.However, he can usually leave as a smoke monster only. But now since the soil is broken, he can leave as a human being(in a pod). He pretended to be jacobs friend throughout the most of the seasons because jacob enslaved esau's body in the cabin. Now that he is loose, he wanted to get revenge.

Thoughts???

[Blake]

here's a theory:

If you look on wikipedia.com, it talks about jacob and his twin "Esau's birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob)


Its all related to christianity to some degree. The tale goes that the father has a magical present or something and he can only give it to one of his boys. Esau was supposed to get it because he was the elder son. But jacob and his mom tricked the dad into giving it to jacob. Ever since then esau has been jealous of jacob. He was supposed to get the island..not jacob. he can't kill him either. sooo thats why there is a conflict between the two.

back to LOST: Esau tricked ben into killing jacob because he himself cant kill jacob. he orchesrated all the events. Helped get all the LOSTies back on the island. He knew that jon locke was close to ben and a leader and close to jacob. So he made him go back in time to "kill himself" and get the LOSTies back(as christian remember?) this made john locke dead. So this means that esau can take over lockes body(remember he was given christian shoe??)

After taking lockes body his next step is to convince ben to listen to him. He took ben to the smoke monster(aka his own house) Remember ben didn't know where the smoke monster lived??? job locke did!!!!(aka the smoke monster aka Esau). He brought him in and he "disappeared" he changed pods into bens daughter and told ben to listen to john locke no matter WHAT(aka listen to esau). So ben now HAS to listen to john locke. Then john locke tells him to kill Jacob(because esau cant). So tahts what ben did!!!

The reason why Esau is the smoke monster is because someone killed him a long time ago. he was then trapped in that house with that soil on the ground.(can someone clarify who broke the soil? hurley or ben/john locke in season 1?) Anyways, After the soil got cut, esau can finally leave the cabin.However, he can usually leave as a smoke monster only. But now since the soil is broken, he can leave as a human being(in a pod). He pretended to be jacobs friend throughout the most of the seasons because jacob enslaved esau's body in the cabin. Now that he is loose, he wanted to get revenge.

Thoughts???

Even though Ben killing Jacob has a Christ-like look to it, I don't think so.

Jacob appears to be some kind of Egyptian god and the whole immortality thing seems to stem from Egyptian mythology. Richard also appears to be an Egyptian priest to Jacob......

no sign of any Hebrew any where.



I'm still wondering about Christian Shepherd. Who does he "work" for? Jacob or anti-Jacob?

[Spurminator]

If Juliet goes to 2007, wouldn't she essentially be buried alive?

[Blake]

If Juliet goes to 2007, wouldn't she essentially be buried alive?

eh, there's nothing to say the hole won't still be there in 2007...

plus, it looked like Locke was buried alive and we see how that worked out

[Spurminator]

I don't know that we can assume Locke didn't flash forward/back like the rest of them when he fell into the hole, because he fell into a place that had been there for who knows how long. Juliet fell into a place that, in 2007, has a station built on top of it.

Anyway, I guess it just supports the idea that there are several possible explanations for what happened to Juliet whether she leaves or returns to the show. For me, though, this is the most likely.

[Jacob1983]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think. And is the smoke monster/Esau/fakelocke like The First in Buffy where it can impersonate only dead people? And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

[jaffies]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think.

I wouldn't even say I'm 100% sure that Esau was posing as Locke. That 'NotLocke' could be 'Future Locke' (of course after the island heals him yet again, and a time shift to his past, aka '2007current'). However, I'm under the impression that Esau has been pretty much every unexplained apparition since the even before the Dharma days (Christian, Walt, Eko's brother, Claire, etc.). I'm probably wrong, though.


And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

I would assume yes. There's nothing in the story yet to suggest otherwise.

[Blake]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think.

I don't see how it could be any longer than when he showed up alive on the island.

The whole scene where he dropped down the well by himself and had to turn the wheel doesn't seem to jive if he was really anti-Jacob


And is the smoke monster/Esau/fakelocke like The First in Buffy where it can impersonate only dead people?

maybe, but it seems like when Walt got kidnapped, that he was showing up in visions.


And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

probably so. good call.