Spurs' future draft picks

[Mr. Body]

wow. we get McDyess. this one came out of nowhere.
:lol

I made the decision in the McDyess thread. Hope that's okay with everybody.

[wildbill2u]

Has anyone ever done a scientific statistical study on whether a long wingspan is actually better --or even as good as--a tall and athletic body? Any examples?

Does the fact that a player drags his knuckles on the floor when he walks actually translate into basketball prowess? I remember Romain Sato's claim to fame was that he had a tremendous wingspan. He still has the wingspan--he doesn't have an NBA job.

Or am I asking for too much reality over fantasy here?
Here's the answer to my own question at DX, one of the sources of all this wingspan and 'best athlete at the combine" idiocy.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096


But Can He Play? Analyzing the NBA Pre-Draft Combine Results

by: Jonathan Givony - PresidentJune 5, 2007He has a 7-6 ¾ wingspan, and a 9-3 ½ standing reach. He jumps out of the gym with a 39 inch one-step vertical, bench presses 185 pounds 24 times and runs a 3.3 in the three quarter court sprint. But can he shoot? Dribble? Catch a rebound? Play? Do we even care? (see rest of article)

[Bruno]

To me, measurements results are way more interesting than combine results.

NCAA constraint aren't at the same than NBA constraint. Size, weight, wingspan are interesting to know how the player will translate his skills in nba.

Combine results are quite useless. One of the main problem is that the players aren't tired when they do the runing test. An heavy player can have good results but he will be tired quick and will be less effective. His "in game" athletism won't be the same at all than his combine athletism. A combine without a test to see if players have a good motor isn't very interesting. Bench press is too totally useless to me.

BB isn't track & field, it's a skills games. Measurement and combine results will never tell the whole story.

[Darkwaters]

Awesome.

But...

I think it's Nocioni starting, the bench of Dowdell/Ginobili/Dudley/McDyess/Elson.

:devil
:ihit

So where does Bowen work into this? If Nocioni is starting and Dudley is coming off the bench...

I think I take McDyess (at the 2 yr, 6M deal you stated in that other thread) in a heartbeat. Especially if Horry retires. Thats just an absolute seamless transition. Win now. Rebuild once Duncan is gone.

I think Elson is either traded or bought out. The guy is downright worthless at this point and I'd much rather have Ian over here in the DLeague taking up that roster spot than a worthless vet sitting on the bench making 3M.

What trade do you think we make that nets us Nocioni? Barry/Beno/Scola for Nocioni in a S&T? I wasn't sure what we decided would be the best trade scenario?

[ChumpDumper]

I think Elson is either traded or bought out. The guy is downright worthless at this point and I'd much rather have Ian over here in the DLeague taking up that roster spot than a worthless vet sitting on the bench making 3M.Didn't we say the same thing about Oberto last season?

[Darkwaters]

Didn't we say the same thing about Oberto last season?

Yea, but Oberto was getting garbage time at best last year. Elson has been pulling starters minutes for much of the season and hasn't been very attractive in the least. Oberto was never given the opportunity to succeed in his first season...Elson was handed the starting job and ended up becoming a peripheral player.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty much everyone sucks their first year as a Spur. It's an interesting phenomenon.

[Darkwaters]

Pretty much everyone sucks their first year as a Spur. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Ok, I'll give you that one. But I still think that with as many options out there as there are the Spurs could find a much better option. Of course, 3M is really a rather meager sum to pay for a big in this league. Especially when a lot of people are paying their backups 6M or 7M per. But still, I think Elson is on the block for the right deal.

[ChumpDumper]

For the right deal, anyone is available.

[Darkwaters]

For the right deal, anyone is available.

For the most part. But I see it taking far less persuasion to convince the Spurs to move Elson than most anybody else on the team (Beno and Barry excluded).

[Admidave50]

:lol
:nope It's camembert!

:lol

Dalembert is definitely not a cheese name.

Nevertheless, you can say that Dalembert stinks as camembert ;)

[timvp]

Looks like Tauren Green has moved into the first round bubble. I can live with Green at 33. I don't really know about first round, though.

[Mr. Body]

I don't like Green at 28. There are too many good back-up points floating around in the bubble and it's not clear Green is going to become much. There will be some SGs/swingmen with better resumes right there. Green at 33 would be fine, although I do think he'll bust.

[timvp]

I'm not a huge Green fan. I just have a feeling that he's a Spurs type of draft pick.

[BradLohaus]

also impressive: Nichols was 10.39 in the lane agility test! I guess that's the best number of the last 3 years.
it was reported, that he displays nice lateral quickness, but this number makes him look like a living pinball.
I wonder why we've not been talking more about him.
he is an outstanding shooter (best shooter at the camp), has nice lenght and wingspan, is a decent rebounder and seems to have all tools that are needed to also make him a great defender. he will be available at 28 for sure, but likely also at 33. any thoughts?

That's the SF I want out of all the reasonable options. He's quick and long, so you know we can turn him into a great defender. He knocks down open jumpers as well as anybody in the draft. Sounds exactly like what we ask Bruce to do. If he's still around at 33 I think we have to take him.

This was from day 2 at the camp from DXpress:

Demetris Nichols, 6’8, SF, Senior, Syracuse
18 points, 3 rebounds, 7-9 FG, 4-5 3PT




Joseph Treutlein

Demetris Nichols had a strong game to start off his week here at Orlando, living up to his expectations as one of the most highly touted players here. He had a typical Demtris Nichols game, putting points up on the board as quickly as he got touches, but not contributing much in any other statistical areas, though he did a solid job playing perimeter defense when his man got the ball.

As you can see from the statline, Nichols was very efficient in scoring his points, making the most off all his touches, as he’s not a player who consistently creates shots for himself. Nichols got out in transition and did a good job drifting to the open spaces on the floor, where his teammates got him the ball for his quick-release outside shot, which he knocked down almost every chance he got. Nichols scored 13 points in the first five minutes of the game by getting out in transition, finishing on lay-ups on the break, and even creating a fast-break himself, making an anticipation steal coming from behind his man, and dribbling the length of the court to lay the ball in the hoop. He played well in transition overall, not just scoring the ball, as he consistently was one of the first players on his team down the court, and also made some nice transition passing, even handling the ball in the open court when he needed to.

Nichols did try to mix things up a bit on offense, putting the ball on the floor more often than he did at Syracuse, though he wasn’t able to consistently score, but he didn’t force the issue either. On one possession he faked a shot before putting the ball on the floor in the lane, but he passed the ball to his teammate when he recognized a weakside defender coming over. On another possession he put the ball on the floor going left and went into a stepback jumper from the free-throw line, but he missed the contested shot. One of Nichols’ nicest plays on the day was when he dribbled left from the top of the key and went into a fadeaway jumper, but he got called for a conspicuous offensive foul for a push-off that might not have been there.

Defensively, Nichols was matched up with Dominic McGuire in the second half, and whenever he got the ball and tried to put in on the floor, Nichols did a good job moving laterally to stay in front of him, not letting him score the ball against him. He played aggressive man defense when his man had the ball in his hands, but got caught not boxing out at times when his man didn’t have the ball.

[BradLohaus]

Day 3

Demetris Nichols, 6’7, SF, Syracuse

17 pts, 3 reb, 1 ast, 2 to, 6-7 fg’s, 2-4 ft’s, 3-4 3-pt

The term “instant offense” certainly describes Nichols’ play so far in Orlando. His scoring totals have been unrivaled, and he is doing it with remarkable efficiency. Nichols is absolutely lethal as a spot up shooter, and has the length to get his shot off over most wing defenders. He is also good at making defenses pay for losing attention, capable of finding a soft spot in the defense and hoisting a shot before anyone can react.

The rest of Nichols’ game is less attractive, but he has the athleticism and length to contribute in other ways at some point. Nichols plays good defense at times, but could probably use his natural gifts to his advantage a bit more often in non-shooting areas. Nichols once again scored a large chunk of his points over a short period of time, but his shooting runs are proving to be game-changing here in Orlando. His team is now 2-0, and given the way he shot at Syracuse as a senior, it would be a surprise if Nichols didn’t light it up again tomorrow.

[yavozerb]

Almond at #28 and Nichols at #33 would not be too bad!!

[Mr. Body]

Nichols duplicates James White in some ways - a scoring mentality, but no rebounding and not much else - although he'd be an upgrade. It's good that he plays solid defense, even man to man, despite playing so much zone in Syracuse.

We could do far worse than him at 33. It may mean sayonara to White, but that's no big deal.

[Mr. Body]

According to DX the Spurs will be working out these guys on June 6th:

Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin
Lamont Hamilton

[T Park]

never heard of any of em :lol

[Mr. Body]

Seriously.

There was a huge workout in Houston, with 12 players and 12 teams. Maybe the Spurs were also there. Or the Spurs are keeping it quiet on who they have. Or they're just going to get these 'character guys'.

[Mr. Body]

In Jonathan Givony's podcast, the guy from DX - http://www.sigdomain.com/draftexpress_2.mp3 - he's reporting rumors from two sources of a promise the Spurs are giving to Gabe Pruitt either their 28 or 33 pick, which was one reason why he stayed out of the draft camp.

[T Park]

Now Gabe Pruitt I've heard of.

Refresher on Pruitt?

[Mr. Body]

Looking more into him right now. USC Junior, 6'4", talented but just starting to put it together, played well in NCAAs against Lawson of UNC and Augustin of Texas, although didn't shoot that great; 5 steals vs. Carolina. Vs. Texas he was 10, 6, and 8.

DX profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=384

Tall, good handles, skinny, smooth. Good passer and facilitator of the offense. Good ft%, could shoot better (high volume of 3s), good assist/turnover ratio (2.3/1), 1.8 spg.

I find it unusual that any Spur promise has been leaked, so take it with a grain of salt. If they DID promise him and got him, I'd be very pleased.

[T Park]

I remember Pruitt now.

Yeah he sounds like a hell of a point guard.

Hope it works out.

At worst he sounds like another Antonio Daniels.

[Mr. Body]

Also: very athletic, good wingspan and hops, a good understanding of the game. Didn't play early in the season due to academic problems. Some suggestions that's what kept him in the draft this year. A USC fan board says he wasn't "a fan of school." But in quotes he does seem fairly intelligent.

This does look like bunko: he worked out for Phoenix on Tuesday, along with Dominic McGuire.

[timvp]

Pruitt rumor most likely BS but then again, Pop is a big fan of Tim Floyd.

[T Park]

Yeah, Phoenix more than likely will take him.

They need a good backup point guard in the worst way.

[T Park]

Pruitt rumor most likely BS but then again, Pop is a big fan of Tim Floyd.

Floyd is a good coach, so I can see why.

BTW, whats your take on Pruitt?

[timvp]

Floyd is a good coach, so I can see why.

BTW, whats your take on Pruitt?

Decent. He's one of about 6 to 8 point guards/combo guards who can make a pretty good backup available around the Spurs' range.

[Mr. Body]

Suns might not pass up Belinelli at 24 and San Antonio draft right in front of them at 28. I doubt any promise is true - the Spurs are too prudent to do so early, or at any time, since they may want to trade up... unless they already know what's happening with Scola... - but, that said, I think Gabe Pruitt is an excellent choice and may be an utter steal with some further coaching. With his height and capabilities, he could soon be the 2nd best point in the draft, no kidding.

[TDMVPDPOY]

his no better than the scrub at the end of our bench beno udrih...

[T Park]

his no better than the scrub at the end of our bench beno udrih...

gmafb

get out of here with that bullshit

[Bruno]

According to DX the Spurs will be working out these guys on June 6th:

Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin
Lamont Hamilton

So a big men workout.
Landry, Hamilton aren't in the 28-33 range while Visser is projected in this area.

Nikita Shabalkin case is quite interesting. He was quite hidden in europe because he hasn't played a european competition this year but he has averaged great stats in russian league this year : 16ppg (60% 2PT%, 40% 3PT%, 74FT%, 5.4rpg in 27mpg ). If he stays in the draft, I wouldn't be surprised to hear his name at 28 or 33.

[timvp]

Suns might not pass up Belinelli at 24 and San Antonio draft right in front of them at 28. I doubt any promise is true - the Spurs are too prudent to do so early, or at any time, since they may want to trade up... unless they already know what's happening with Scola... - but, that said, I think Gabe Pruitt is an excellent choice and may be an utter steal with some further coaching. With his height and capabilities, he could soon be the 2nd best point in the draft, no kidding.

That's a pretty bold proclamation. I wasn't blown away when I saw him. It doesn't look like he even did the testing part of the predraft camp. 6'4 college height could be like 6'1 NBA height.

Looking at his stats, they look pretty sub par and he might have actually gotten worse last year.

[Mr. Body]

Who are the candidates for 2nd best point after Conley?

Law, Crittendon, maybe Dowdell and others.

Crittendon is a big project and may never be a full-time PG anyway. Law might be very good, but I'm not sold on him. Pruitt has a lot of good tools and it's not like a tremendous PG crop, anyway. Some good counsel and Pruitt could be very solid. And his stats are certainly not sub-par. You're not looking close enough. As for his height: he could just as easily be 6'4".

But who cares, he is one of the good prospects for back-up point guard.

[timvp]

12.5 points
4.3 assists
2.8 rebounds
.416 FG%
.350 3P%

Shot 7-for-23 in the tourney in the last two games.

What am I overlooking?

[mountainballer]

According to DX the Spurs will be working out these guys on June 6th:

Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin
Lamont Hamilton

mentioned Landry in post 1494.
I wonder if he is a canditate for the #33 pick, or for the case he falls down to #58.
I wonder if he would have got more attention, if he wasn't constantly called undersized, listed at 6-7 (when in fact he is almost 6-9). no other frontcourt player (except Oden) gave Horford/Noah in the NCAA tournament more problems than he did. one of the most constant players in college BB.
maybe David Lee, but a bit stronger.

[mountainballer]

12.5 points
4.3 assists
2.8 rebounds
.416 FG%
.350 3P%

Shot 7-for-23 in the tourney in the last two games.

What am I overlooking?

Ramon Sessions?

[T Park]

maybe David Lee, but a bit stronger

good god, if thats who he is, draft him.

[Mr. Body]

12.5 points
4.3 assists
2.8 rebounds
.416 FG%
.350 3P%

Shot 7-for-23 in the tourney in the last two games.

What am I overlooking?

Great assist/turnover rate, very good steals. Bad shot selection -- too many threes. Nice ft%. A better shooting percentage in a previous year. His tournament performances were very good other than shooting: 2 games, 10 rebounds, 15 assists, 3 turnovers, 7 steals. If you watched the games, you'll know he did well on Lawson and Augustin, two highly touted points. The shooting stats suggest a system problem and a foundation to build on.

That's what you were overlooking, but hey, you can selectively pick the stats you want, but I see promise there. Not saying he hung the moon, but there's no reason to tear him down.

[timvp]

Hey, if you want to say he's good, go ahead. I'm just trying to gather information on him. I was being sincere with my question. No harm intended.

I've seen him play but he never really struck me as Spur-like. Then again, the Spurs have never really been forced into drafting domestic talent like they might be this year.

Seriously though, he's the listed size where his measurements would have been vital. If he measures a legit 6-foot-4 with a big wing span, then his values sky rockets because he could be a combo guard. If he's actually closer to 6-foot, then he becomes a second round pick.

[Mr. Body]

Sorry for coming off chippy.

I'd like to see his measurements, too. I don't know much of his character or whether he'd be Spur-like or not. He doesn't seem a bad guy, and on the court, the way he values defense is a real key. It's hard to tell whether a guy declining the Orlando camp is making a bad decision (Wilson Chandler) or is concealing himself for a reason.

I have no idea. The rumors of a promise are puzzling to me. Givony said it came from two sources. Obviously one of those sources could be quoting the other, but it originated somewhere. It could just as easily be a smokescreen for someone else.

[ChumpDumper]

We're totally drafting that Finnish kid because no one is talking about him.

[mountainballer]

I'd like to see his measurements, too. I don't know much of his character or whether he'd be Spur-like or not. He doesn't seem a bad guy, and on the court, the way he values defense is a real key.

whereever he is listed, it's 6-4. so, even if an inch or two are added, he should have at least a decent size for a PG. if he could also play SG might not be the primary question. (of course it would be nice if he could, though)

overall it would make a lot of sense, even if this was the 1st round pick.
I guess you were the one who mentioned, that there will be a better chance to find a decent back-up PG in our draft area, than to find a potential successor of Bruce.
Spurs might plan to solve the SF question via trades or free agency anyhow, so they might (other than we have been speculating for weeks) focus on PGs.

most things about Pruitt sound good, his ability to play defense is often mentioned.
he played SG in highshool and when he came to USC and was then was moved to PG and had to learn how to run the point. seems as if he made quite some improvement in this area and there might be still a lot room for further improvement.

maybe the Spurs draft Pruitt at #28, Landry at#33 and Seibutis at #58.
quite a difference to all the speculations we already made.

[objective]

the Suns just had Pruitt in for a workout. Could be that maybe it was the Suns that had promised a pick to Pruitt, after all, they do have two picks in the 20s.

[freedom&justice]

Holy crap Oden has a 32 inch no-step vertical and a 3/4th court time of 3.27? That guy is going to be a monster. 6-foot-11 without shoes with the athleticism of a small forward and the speed of a point guard?

:wow

Holy shit..that's scary. :wow

[objective]

don't know if this has been posted without the search feature, but:

Brandon Heath had a workout scheduled with the Spurs


http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/05/22/sports/college/aztecs/0_05_255_22_07.txt

Heath -- the leading scorer in the history of theÝAztecs and the Mountain West Conference -- said he has post-camp individual workouts scheduled with "about 12 teams," including the Los Angeles Clippers, Golden State Warriors, Washington Wizards, Los Angeles Lakers, Utah Jazz, San Antonio Spurs, Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks.

[Darkwaters]

I was pretty set on Dowdell over Pruitt. But I suppose I'd have no problem taking either.

Do we think that Byars could legitimately be there at 28? What about Bellineli? He looks like a reasonable Suns pick for 24.

[mountainballer]

don't know if this has been posted without the search feature, but:

Brandon Heath had a workout scheduled with the Spurs

the interesting thing is, that Heath is pretty much the same player like Pruitt. (with less playmaking ability). seems as if the Spurs are defintly looking for this type of combo-guard.
Heat is expected to go undrafted, so he might be the plan B if Pruitt is already picked at 28 or 33. Heath will be there at #58.

[Bruno]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_6070440


Afflalo's agent, Sam Goldfeder, said the former UCLA star either worked out or will work out for the Lakers, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Utah, San Antonio and Seattle in preparation for the June 28 draft.

[Bruno]

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351501487&path=!sports&s=1037645509200



Visser will work out for the Spurs today as he starts a two-week tour of auditions for various teams leading to the NBA Draft on June 28.

From San Antonio it’s back to Washington, where he has been training since signing with Octagon and agent Lance Young. Then it’s on to New York for workouts with the Knicks and Nets. Then he’ll go to Philadelphia, then head west again, with workouts scheduled with Utah, Golden State and Dallas.

[A.H 21-50]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_6070440

interesting that afflalo have a workout for the spurs because he's projected as a late first round pick
for the spurs he could be a nice addition i think

many options for the team : inside with visser (33 rd pick ) or landry (58 th ) and outside with afflalo ......

but that shows that the spurs will explore all their options not only an Sf and a pg ...

[wildbill2u]

Nothing on Nikita Shabalkin DX since this little bite in 2006:

Ponkrashov’s biggest rival for this “award” was his countryman Nikita Shabalkin, an all-around power forward with an impressive skill set that we already had seen in Zaragoza in the summer of 2004. He can evolve in the low post thanks to his great footwork, he knows how to finish near the basket, has a very effective jumper, can pass the ball or put the ball on the floor, and he’s smart, tough, and shows plenty of character… basically the complete package. However, his combination of size (6-9 on shoes, although with a 7-1 wingspan) and athleticism seriously damage his stock. Still, he should become an excellent player in Europe.

Just the type of player the Spurs might take to avoid any guaranteed money.

[yavozerb]

I think the spurs are bringing Visser for look as a favor for Tim Duncan..Just kidding, this kid looks pretty polished coming out of school and anything but a PG in this draft I am happy with..

[Mr. Body]

Visser and Afflalo could both be available at 33. I am kind of thinking 28 goes to a point/combo.

I think mountainballer could be right - point and size in this draft; SF elsewhere. At this point in the draft we can only expect bench talent. I'm thinking the Spurs already know what they will be doing for the SF. Another thread covers what I think that will be.

Shabalkin seems an extreme possibility, perhaps as a 58 or as an option for next year. I need to check if he's even entered the draft.

[A.H 21-50]

Visser and Afflalo could both be available at 33. I am kind of thinking 28 goes to a point/combo.

I think mountainballer could be right - point and size in this draft; SF elsewhere. At this point in the draft we can only expect bench talent. I'm thinking the Spurs already know what they will be doing for the SF. Another thread covers what I think that will be.

Shabalkin seems an extreme possibility, perhaps as a 58 or as an option for next year. I need to check if he's even entered the draft.

the players who will have a workout for the spurs will tell us if the team wants to draft a pg with their first pick
for example if they shows interest in guys like brooks , dowdell... who probably be there with the 33 rd pick that means they have other potions with the first choice .....

as i said many options for SA and the workouts will give us some clues about team options in this draft

except pruit who do you think can be a good choice with our first pick as a point/combo ??

[Mr. Body]

except pruit who do you think can be a good choice with our first pick as a point/combo ??

Dowdell looks good, Taurean Green, although I'm not a huge fan. Bobby Brown and Aaron Brooks will draw interest, but are flawed, and Petteri Koponen is a Euro who could be left.

It seems Miami really likes Dowdell, but at 20 he seems a bit high.

If Pruitt is really drawing attention, I could see Phoenix or Detroit jumping on him before us.

[yavozerb]

Has anybody even heard if spurs are even looking at pg's for the draft? I can see a pg at #58 only..

[Darkwaters]

Has anybody even heard if spurs are even looking at pg's for the draft? I can see a pg at #58 only..

They've got at least one workout planned with a PG so far (I forgot the name). And that is all that has really leaked so far. Of course, there was the rumor that the Spurs promised Pruitt the 28th pick...but it is likely not substantiated by anything.

[Mr. Body]

Has anybody even heard if spurs are even looking at pg's for the draft? I can see a pg at #58 only..

Yes, there have been indications.

'Sides, do you really think they'd pass on a back-up at 28 and 33 both? Who the heck could they get with 58 worth a damn?

[mountainballer]

'Sides, do you really think they'd pass on a back-up at 28 and 33 both? Who the heck could they get with 58 worth a damn?

no way. possible that they pick another PG (like Bokolo) at 58, but then it's not the strategy to bring him as back up for Tony immediatly.

[Mr. Body]

Brazenly stolen from another board, but interesting:

The thought that the Pruitt 'promise' is a smokescreen directed at Phoenix, who has stated they wish to sell one of their picks (24 & 29). If they truly want Pruitt, this 'promise' forces them to take him at 24 and sell off the 29, which means someone else falls closer to the Spurs who Phoenix might otherwise like to take, like Belinelli.

[Bruno]

Has anybody even heard if spurs are even looking at pg's for the draft? I can see a pg at #58 only..

If Spurs do a good job, nobody outside the FO should know what Spurs will do with their pick. Maybe Spurs will drat a PG at 28 or 33, maybe not.

The only clue you can get is to see with who Spurs will work out. We know that they will work out with PGs (Jared Jordan), swingmen (Affalo) and big men (Visser). :lol

Al the rest is fans' speculations. Kinda worthless.

[mountainballer]

Brazenly stolen from another board, but interesting:

The thought that the Pruitt 'promise' is a smokescreen directed at Phoenix, who has stated they wish to sell one of their picks (24 & 29). If they truly want Pruitt, this 'promise' forces them to take him at 24 and sell off the 29, which means someone else falls closer to the Spurs who Phoenix might otherwise like to take, like Belinelli.

this scenario is a bit to tricky IMO.
btw. if the Suns want to sell the #29 pick, because they don't want two 1st rounders, who they need to offer a contract, they will for sure try to use it to move up.
and they still have the Hawks pick (unprotected in 2008).
what might they get for 24+29+Hawks 2008?
what I want to say: the Suns might do something to reach the draft area of Jason Smith, if not Noah.
in this case the Pruitt option isn't of any more interest for them.

[Darkwaters]

This year's 24 and 29 plus the Hawks pick next year could get them very high indeed in this draft. If they have a guy that they absolutely love up high it probably wouldn't be too hard to snag him away.

[timvp]

If Spurs do a good job, nobody outside the FO should know what Spurs will do with their pick.

timvp said since the beginning of the season that if the Spurs draft domestic, it'd be a point guard.


Al the rest is fans' speculations. Kinda worthless.

:depressed

[Darkwaters]

Al the rest is fans' speculations. Kinda worthless.

But entertaining none the less. Especially in light of the fact that it still seems like there is another month before the finals begin.

[Bruno]

But entertaining none the less.

Yep, you can note too that Ido a lot of these worthless speculations.

[yavozerb]

Yes, there have been indications.

'Sides, do you really think they'd pass on a back-up at 28 and 33 both? Who the heck could they get with 58 worth a damn?

Do you see Jordan going in 1st or early second? I don't thus it could be our possible #58 pick

[Bruno]

timvp said since the beginning of the season that if the Spurs draft domestic, it'd be a point guard.


[kiss ass mode]
Isn't timvp a member of Spurs FO ? :smokin
If I remember well, he was the one who convince RC to sign Butler with a statiscal analysis.
[/kiss ass mode]

[mountainballer]

This year's 24 and 29 plus the Hawks pick next year could get them very high indeed in this draft. If they have a guy that they absolutely love up high it probably wouldn't be too hard to snag him away.

I thought they should love Jason Smith. 7' and can jump and run like a guard. impossible that this isn't somehow attracting to them.

[Mr. Body]

Do you see Jordan going in 1st or early second? I don't thus it could be our possible #58 pick

Mid-second, IMO.

[Ocotillo]

http://www.draftexpress.com/headshots/morrisalmond.jpeg

Morris Almond

Has anyone brought up this guy? He's not a point, nor the long three, he is weak on D but can shoot lights out. He is a senior so he is mature and seems like a Spurs type player. Could replace Barry as he seems to be the same sort of player only much younger.

I have not read the whole thread so forgive if he has come up.

[Mr. Body]

He's come up. He's strong, a pretty good rebounder, and went to the line a heck of a lot in college, on top of his other scoring abilities.

I've tried selling my Rockets fan friends on him, but he'd be worth a shot for the Spurs.

[yavozerb]

http://www.draftexpress.com/headshots/morrisalmond.jpeg

Morris Almond

Has anyone brought up this guy? He's not a point, nor the long three, he is weak on D but can shoot lights out. He is a senior so he is mature and seems like a Spurs type player. Could replace Barry as he seems to be the same sort of player only much younger.

I have not read the whole thread so forgive if he has come up.

I like him at #28 if available..I agree with the barry stmt and I do not think barry will be back next year for his final year so this could be good fit. Also, he would still be step up from barry on the defensive end

[timvp]

If Splitter slips to 28, do you select him? He fits the profile of a draft and stash type. However, I'm guessing a team like the Suns will draft and stash him before the Spurs get a chance.

It's looking like at least one of Splitter, Belinelli and Fernandez will be available at 28. Each of those three players were at one point considered lottery picks, so it'd be pretty good value.

[ChumpDumper]

Has Splitter actually done anything besides winning the 2004 Wolf Blitzer Cool Name award?

[Marcus Bryant]

Perhaps now that Whiz Kid is gone the Spurs will actually use their 1st rounder on someone who can play now.

[Mr. Body]

If Splitter slips to 28, do you select him? He fits the profile of a draft and stash type. However, I'm guessing a team like the Suns will draft and stash him before the Spurs get a chance.

It's looking like at least one of Splitter, Belinelli and Fernandez will be available at 28. Each of those three players were at one point considered lottery picks, so it'd be pretty good value.

Yes, yes, yes on Splitter.

Actually yes on any of those freaking guys, even if they won't come right away. But I think Splitter gets grabbed by Utah or Houston if he drops, at least... but one of the other guys might be there.

[K-State Spur]

If Splitter slips to 28, do you select him? He fits the profile of a draft and stash type. However, I'm guessing a team like the Suns will draft and stash him before the Spurs get a chance.

It's looking like at least one of Splitter, Belinelli and Fernandez will be available at 28. Each of those three players were at one point considered lottery picks, so it'd be pretty good value.

I can live with any of those 3 in the first round. At 33, I'd like a more polished, ready for the rotation type player, even if there is less upside (i.e. Dudley).

Doesn't really address the back-up point issue though.

[yavozerb]

If we ended up with splitter and dudley with our 1st 2 picks I would be very happy with this draft. Again, I prefer to bring in a veteran for our PG issues and not a rookie who may take 2 years to understand the spurs system. Re-sign Vaughn as insurance (No matter how many people bitch about this guy he would have outplayed any rookie drafted by the spurs last and this year) and possibly another veteran for depth reason.

[Mr. Body]

Regardless of whether the Spurs draft a point guard I'd expect them to resign Vaughn to be primary back-up.

[Darkwaters]

Regardless of whether the Spurs draft a point guard I'd expect them to resign Vaughn to be primary back-up.

What does the availability of Chucky Atkins look like? He'd be a great possible backup for next year with Vaughn along for the ride.

Of course, Aaron Miles could always pan out as well...

[K-State Spur]

Aaron Miles would be just too many Jayhawks, I can barely stomach Vaughn...

Anybody think Vaughn could actually be better Year 2 in the system? I'm sure more familiarity would help, but he's already a heady player, so I don't think he had a huge learning curve. In addition, most of his limitations were more skills-wise and not experience. Then again, another year with Chip couldn't hurt.

[Darkwaters]

Aaron Miles would be just too many Jayhawks, I can barely stomach Vaughn...

Anybody think Vaughn could actually be better Year 2 in the system? I'm sure more familiarity would help, but he's already a heady player, so I don't think he had a huge learning curve. In addition, most of his limitations were more skills-wise and not experience. Then again, another year with Chip couldn't hurt.

Hey, I'll take whats available!

[mountainballer]

Morris Almond

Has anyone brought up this guy? He's not a point, nor the long three, he is weak on D but can shoot lights out. He is a senior so he is mature and seems like a Spurs type player. Could replace Barry as he seems to be the same sort of player only much younger.


Almond isn't the same sort of player like Barry. he is more a player in the mold of Finley, if we want a comparrison with a current Spurs player.
(I'm also talking about the current Finley and not the super athletic Finley some years ago)
nevertheless he would be a nice repleacement of Barry as the back-up SG and should fit well in the Spurs system. don't think that he is on top of the Spurs draft list, but wouldn't wonder if he is on. so, if the other players are already picked, he might end up as a Spur. I wouldn't mind.
he was compared to quite different typs of players on the draft sites, like Redd, Barnes, Webster, George. IMO none is accurate. I would currently go with Anthony Parker as his NBA comparison.

[yavozerb]

Word on the Street: Promises...Houston's Workouts...Koponen

by: Jonathan Givony - President
June 7, 2007
Stuckey to Detroit?

-Does Rodney Stuckey have a promise from Detroit? That’s what some people are starting to believe, even though we don’t really buy these types of rumors, since it makes very little sense. Some people say that Stuckey is privately claiming to have received the guarantee, while others believe he is one of a handful of players Detroit is considering with the 15th pick.
Interestingly enough, Stuckey has one workout scheduled with the Seattle Supersonics, who hold the #2 and #31 picks, neither of which are in his range. That workout, to be held on June 11th, will be conducted with Acie Law, who isn’t really in that range at all either. We were told to “draw our own conclusions” from that, while being assured that there is a “method behind the madness.”

Similarly to what we discussed yesterday with Portland, this could very well be another situation where Seattle could easily jump up and land a late lottery pick if they so desire. Stuckey is also scheduled to work out for the Phoenix Suns on the 18th. The Suns are telling people that they are planning on packaging the picks to move up and nab the player they like most, which is exactly what they said last year as well (holding the #21 and #27 spots) before selling/trading both picks.


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Yi's Workouts

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported yesterday that the Atlanta Hawks headed to Los Angeles to take in a workout featuring Yi Jianlian. We've learned that Danny Ainge of the Boston Celtics was present for an identical one-on-none workout the day before.


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Houston Rockets Workouts in Orlando

After our initial report last night, today we received a lot more information from people who were in Orlando watching the unprecedented series of workouts organized by the Houston Rockets at Celebration High School, not far from where the NBA pre-draft camp was held last week. Around 10 teams were present to take in the action, although not all were represented by their General Managers.

Apparently there were actually six workouts conducted on the first day prospects were allowed to work out, not the three we initially reported. Arron Afflalo, Renaldas Seibutas, Petteri Koponen, Sean Singletary, Joseph Jones, Aaron Brooks, and others were also present, joined by Bobby Brown, Dominic James, Jeremy Hunt, Brandon Heath, Morris Almond, Brad Newley, Reyshawn Terry, Jared Dudley, Devon Hardin, Aaron Gray, Nick Fazekas, and Jason Smith.

In addition to the six workouts held on the 5th, there were also three more today. They featured Ron Lewis, Sammy Mejia, Trey Johnson and Dustin Salisbery in the first one, followed by Chris Richard, Ali Traore, Ryvon Covile, and Rashad Jones-Jennings in the second, and Herbert Hill, Ekene Ibekwe, “some foreign guy,” and Jermareo Davidson in the third, according to a scout that was present. There were also be one more workout tomorrow.

There was quite a bit of buzz coming from people who were in the gym. A lot of it surrounded Jared Dudley, who was in one scout’s words, “most impressive player amongst the 36 guys I saw.” The scout went on to say that Dudley competed extremely hard, showed a beautiful jumper, stayed in front of his matchups nicely in the competitive 2 on 2 drills, and looked like a consummate pro. In his words, he would make “a great addition to any NBA team.” The same scout also mentioned that Morris Almond “looked good,” and that Reyshawn Terry ”was better than I thought.”

Apparently Dominic James could not finish his workout. Any doubt that remained regarding whether or not he will be back at Marquette next year is quickly evaporating. Everyone James’ people have spoken to have told him that it is in his best bet to return to school, since he is by no means a lock to get drafted.

Other tidbits to come out of Orlando…

-“Taurean Green is definitely a first round pick to me…he has such a good demeanor, he made shots…he’s not going to wow you, but I’ve still never seen him hurt himself.”

-“Devon Hardin is an animal. Just a big, strong, athletic kid. But he has such little skill, he needs to go back to school. He’s a nice kid, yes sir no sir to everything, but he just doesn’t understand the game. He’s a second round pick to me”

-“Aaron Gray was really good. He ran well, his body looked great, he’s smart and understands the game. He shot the ball really well. He definitely solidified himself here. He could play for you right now.”

-“Jason Smith is really athletic, but I don’t know what position he plays. He can shoot and he’s obviously talented, but he really got buried by Fazekas and Gray. He looked really nervous. He needs to calm down, take a deep breath. He’s almost too fast for his own good.”

-“Fazekas was really good. He runs like it hurts, but you put him in specific settings and he just gets it done. He’ll be solid with a really good point guard next to him. He’s not going to jump over anyone for rebounds, but I see him in the late first round.”

-“Reyshawn Terry has that UNC coolness to him. He doesn’t get after it enough. He has great size and strength, and he put it on the floor great, shot it some even, was good all-around. He can defend when he wants to too. The only question is will he allow himself to get at the pace he needs to go?”

-“Jermareo Davidson was impressive. He shot the NBA 3-pointer well and looked really athletic. He looked coachable and showed a lot of potential. This is probably the best I’ve seen him out of anywhere.”

-"Ryvon Covile is as solid as they come. He is a big wide body who can hit the 15 footer and knows how to play. He should definitely get drafted by someone."

-“Bobby Brown can shoot the crap out of it, and he’s athletic enough to get by anyone in the 2 on 2’s. In this setting, he looks great.”


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Petteri Koponen Impresses in Orlando, Pulls out of Treviso

6-5 Finnish point guard Petteri Koponen was another of the players that looked very good in front of about 1/3rd of the league working out in Orlando on the 5th. Koponen impressed scouts in attendance with his “great size” as well as with the fact that he wasn’t rattled by the very athletic American point guards he went up against—Sean Singletary, Taurean Green and Aaron Brooks among them. He apparently “made a lot of open shots” despite his slightly unconventional shooting mechanics, and did a terrific job in particular in the competitive full-court one on one, blowing by Aaron Brooks on one particular occasion. He’s “tough…poised…confident…and obviously has some leadership skills” according to one NBA scout who was particularly impressed by him.

Unfortunately for us, Koponen has since decided to pull his name out of the RBK Eurocamp in Treviso, according to his agent Marc Cornstein. The reason for that is the excessive amount of travel that it would entail to get to Italy and then back for private workouts. Although Cornstein told us that he “thinks he will stay in,” Koponen can still pull his name out of the draft on the 18th if he so desires, having stated in the past that he needs to be a first round pick in order to stay in. Koponen was a rare first round prospect who wanted to participate in the Orlando Pre-draft camp, but was mysteriously not invited by the committee.

-Check out our ever-growing list of NBA private workout schedules, and do email us with any that we might have missed.

[Big P]

I was reading a little bit of the rumor mills & they are saying that Golden State will probably look to move the 18th pick for picks. Possibly a 2nd rounder in this draft & a future first. I wonder if Pop can put something together with Nellie that helps both teams? Would you be willing to move all 3 picks this year, or maybe 2 of the 3 to move up to the 18th? nbadraft.net has Rudy Fernandez in the 18th spot right now.

[Mr. Body]

Why, for Golden State? Are they having cash problems? Too many young players already? No one there they like? Are you saying they're looking to move down in the draft, or move out?

I could see Indiana or Cleveland trying to move into the first round, since neither had a draft pick this year.

[Big P]

Here's the quote

"Golden State has reportedly put the number 18 selection on the market; don’t be surprised if they trade down into the second round and pick up a future first, basically deferring the pick until next year. "

[Mr. Body]

I can see the Spurs trying to grab the 18 using the 33 and a future first... possibly. That's actually fairly expensive. If it were the 58 and a future first, essentially buying a year early on a pick, I don't see them doing it due to roster spaces. #33+2008 first is too expensive for the #18 IMO, although certainly if they like Rudy Fernandez or somebody.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm sure the Warriors are looking for a future #1 that is likely to be mid-teens next season. Doubtful that they deal with the Spurs, but I wouldn't complain. Law at #18 would be great.

[Darkwaters]

Bump

[A.H 21-50]

Another guy who will have a workout with the spurs after afflalo , visser ....
Demetris Nichols who played wel during orlando predraft camp also another wing player



From HoopsHype rumors

In the coming weeks, Nichols is scheduled to work out for Miami, Seattle, Minnesota, Golden State, Portland, San Antonio and Houston, according to his agent, Bill Duffy.
Nichols, a 6-foot-8 small forward, earned All-Big East honors last season after averaging 18.9 points for Syracuse. He also made 100 out of 240 3-point shot attempts.

But Nichols really generated some buzz at the NBA's pre-draft camp in Orlando last week. In three games, Nichols averaged 13.7 points and went 9-for-13 from 3-point range. He was 15-for-23 overall from the field.

"Demetris did very well," Duffy said. "He was probably one of the more outstanding players at the camp, according to the reports we received. The feedback I got is that he has one absolute NBA skill and that's his shooting. But we already knew that."

[Bruno]

A good way to judge the draft stock of a player is to see with who he works out.

For Nichols :
Miami : 39th
Seattle : 31st and 35th
Minnesota : 41st
Golden State : 36th and 46th
Portland : 37th
San Antonio : 28th and 33rd
Houston : 26th

[wildbill2u]

He's come up. He's strong, a pretty good rebounder, and went to the line a heck of a lot in college, on top of his other scoring abilities.

I've tried selling my Rockets fan friends on him, but he'd be worth a shot for the Spurs.
If you go to draft Express, they have an article comparing the SGs at the camp in a lot of statistical categories.. Almond came out on top in many of them and was by far the leading SG.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2101

DX was so complimentary, His agent should mail the article to all the GMs.

[wildbill2u]

According to DX, the Spurs worked out Nikita Shabalkin on June 6. He's exactly the type of player that the Spurs like--no one knows much about him 'cause he was injured last season and he's a young Euro they can stash overseas without paying any money.

Just a hunch, but I predict we'll draft him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about we trade with GS for steph jackson or the french dude + draft picks for brent+beno+draft picks......we take stephs contract and they get to cut there payroll, when is stephs contract end?

[Bruno]

Pruitt and Afflalo :http://www.latimes.com/sports/custom/extras/la-spw-colhoops7jun07,1,3832530.story?coll=la-sports-extras


Afflalo, an All-American who left UCLA after his junior season, has already performed for the Houston Rockets and is scheduled to work out Friday for the Lakers. Later, he is expected to showcase his skills for Philadelphia, Utah and San Antonio. Pruitt, who left USC after his junior season, has workouts scheduled for Seattle, Utah, Detroit, Golden State and San Antonio.

Aaron Gray :
http://www.mcall.com/sports/basketball/all-gray.5889522jun08,0,2336414.story?coll=all-sportsmorehoops-hed


Not just his workouts with the Sixers, but also with Sacramento, New York, New Jersey, Washington, Toronto, San Antonio and Utah, workouts Gray has planned over the next eight days.

He worked out in Miami on Wednesday, and participated in workouts for Atlanta, Boston, Minnesota, Sacramento and Houston with 24 other invited players in three-day workout organized by the Rockets in Orlando.

[Bruno]

So we know for the moment that Spurs have/will work out :

PG :
Jared Jordan
Gabe Pruitt

SG/SF :
Aaron Afflalo
Demetris Nichols

PF/C :
Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin
Lamont Hamilton
Aaron Gray

I put this list in the first post.
If I've missed someone, you're welcome.

[Bruno]

Ron Lewis : http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/college/osu/2007/05/30/ddn053007nbanotes.html


While Cook has workouts scheduled with nearly every team, Lewis' list includes the Knicks, Nets, Rockets, Celtics and Spurs

Spurs are interested in Trey Johnson :

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070526/SPORTS030101/705260343/1073


He hasn't personally talked to many NBA teams, leaving that task to Bartelstein and JSU coach Tevester Anderson.

"It's mostly character evaluations because everyone already knows what kind of player Trey is," Anderson said. "The ones that seem to call the most are (the) Portland (Trail Blazers), Miami (Heat) and San Antonio (Spurs)."

[Darkwaters]

Who do we draft at the 58 spot? That pick is a bit of an enigma (for obvious reasons). But surely there are some interesting prospects out there. Here are some of the names I've heard thrown out:

Sun Yue
Yannick Bokolo
Ali Traore (doubtful hes still on the board at 58 though)
Mirza Begic
Mirza Teletovic
Zoran Erceg
Renaldas Seibutis
Jonas Maciulis

Heck, this class reads essentially like DraftExpress' "International Class of 85" list...but with good reason. Drafting an international player makes the most sense. Draft and stash and hope for the best. So, who do we think makes the most sense of these guys? Or do you have any other names to throw out there?

[pad300]

I can see the Spurs trying to grab the 18 using the 33 and a future first... possibly. That's actually fairly expensive. If it were the 58 and a future first, essentially buying a year early on a pick, I don't see them doing it due to roster spaces. #33+2008 first is too expensive for the #18 IMO, although certainly if they like Rudy Fernandez or somebody.

I would probably do that trade Mr. Body - let's take a look at what you're saying we loose out on - using Dx's and NBAdraft.net's current and 2K8 mocks.

Gain - #18 2007

Loss - #33 2007 and estimate 26-30 in 2008.

In player terms (from DX)

Gain One of #18 to #21 Either Splitter, Thaddeus Young, Javaris Crittendon, Rudy Fernadez (Yes Please)

Loss - #33 -37 Tucker, Mcguire, Koponen, Nichols
26-30 2008 - Chris Lofton, Eric Maynor, Kyle Weaver, Joe Dorsey, Marcus Dove.

From NBADraft.net
Gain #18 to #21 - Fernandez, Rodney Stuckey, Acie Law, Javaris Crittendon,


Loss - #33 -37 Visser, Gasol, Nichols, Hosley, Traore
26-30 2008 - Tyler Hansborough, Goran Dragic, Jamont Gordon, Jeff Pendergraph, C. Douglas-Roberts.

The 2007 draft is loaded compared to 2K8. If you really want to push hard, ask for the Warriors #46 pick back.

#18, #46 for #33, Future 1st(Unprotected).

I'd still do #18 for #33 and a future 1st. In this draft that's getting a potential long-term starter vs. in 2k8 getting a 7th to 10th man...

[Darkwaters]

I agree. I take that trade in an instant. But if we get the 18 then I draft Rudy Fernandez and run away very quickly. Fernandez is an ideal successor to Manu and should find his way to San Antonio...period. He has the proper skill set, a good mentality on defense, all the intangibles as well as a solid work ethic. Tell me thats not a Popovich type of player...

And then we still have the 28 to go screwing around with.

[picnroll]

From Chad Ford

Koponen, according to multiple team sources, stood out with his poise, shooting and ability to adapt his game to the speed of the workout. One executive went so far as to say he saw enough to rank Koponen as the fourth-best point guard in the draft. Others said that he was on par with Green, who also played well in the workout.

Koponen will skip the Reebok Eurocamp to continue individual workouts, and it looks like he may have a good shot at sneaking into the late first round. All of which makes it hard to understand why the Orlando pre-draft camp selection committee excluded him from the camp.

[yavozerb]

from draft express:

Seeking a First Round Spot

It went wrong from the very beginning for Marco Belinelli. Being probably the most expected player from the bunch that finally made it to the camp, he was the only one arriving late for the morning drills. And he's certainly not looking like the most enthusiastic guy out there, as if he doesn't really want to be here.

It's always surprising when a guy projected in the first round, or even on the bubble, shows up for a pre-draft camp. Not being a lock after a pretty disappointing season in Bologna (regardless of his scoring averages in the domestic competition), Belinelli still had very serious first round consideration. Actually his presence could be a nice indicator that he wasn't that much confident about his options of getting into the privileged round.

Yesterday's show couldn't have helped his cause, though. He had a horrible shooting day, reproducing his struggles during the season.

You can feel he's a special guy out there, like if he had a different status, a star status, from most of the players here (a bit like happens with Ponkrashov or Mbemba), and of course he doesn't shy away when it comes to shooting the ball regardless of his situation on the court. That was the biggest problem in yesterday's performance, his shot selection.

We already know Belinelli, he's capable of knocking down the wildest shots, but he's not consistent doing it, hasn't been all season long, and stubbornly continues trying off-the-dribble, unbalanced, one-legged impulsed fade-away attempts with little chances of success. Yesterday he only hit a couple of perimeter jumpers, not by coincidence two orthodox, balanced, and open shots.

Marco looked a lot better when he decided to put the ball on the floor to penetrate. He went a few times all the way to the basket, showing nice quickness and general athleticism, but also good ball-handling, footwork and ability to finish around the rim. Still, more often he settled for off-the-dribble passes, easily finding the open man, several times in the corner on the three-point line, greatly helping the offensive flow of his team.

You can see the great talent Belinelli enjoys, his excellent feel for the game, every time he attacks the basket. Actually he should be much more active in this area, even building his game from his slashing abilities and letting the perimeter shooting options come to him. Instead, he keeps shooting and shooting, regardless of his position, hurting his effectiveness on court.

Unless he dramatically improves in the remaining days of the camp, chances are he will opt to pull out and wait another year to increase his options of hitting the first round. If he decides to stay in, we were told that he has a $600,000 buyout in his contract.

[Mr. Body]

Bad enought to opt out for Belinelli isn't good for the Spurs, but if he for some reason decides to stick, he has enough talent to be a sure bet in the late part of the round.

Looks like he's out, though.

[ChumpDumper]

We're going to try to trade up.

When that doesn't happen, we'll draft foreign or trade out in the first round.

Second round, we'll get one foreigner and one American.

[Darkwaters]

We need to trade up to get Rudy. Period. The guy is going to be a winner.

[JUUOT]

Who do we draft at the 58 spot? That pick is a bit of an enigma (for obvious reasons). But surely there are some interesting prospects out there.

Atnumber 58, for the spurs, Rodrigue Beaubois from France

Point guard at the eurocamp. 186 cm with a 6-10 wingspan and 75 cm when jumping without steps. he played pro in france last year for cholet. he played early but was discovered during a pietrus camp in guadeloupe.

He is fast and Athletic, a lot of upside just what you need at 58 and stays in europe

[Mr. Body]

I could see us trade out the 58 to some desperate team having to get 'their guy' who has dropped, just like Milwaukee last year.

[yavozerb]

I still like a sg with #28 such as almond or williams (would like rudy more but probably already taken) esp after watching barry this playoffs

[yavozerb]

from nbadraft.net

2007 Reebok Eurocamp: Day Two



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By Aran Smith
NBADraft.net
6/11/07

The second day started much like the first with morning drills. Mickael Pietrus spoke to the campers after the morning session. He mentioned to me that he would have loved to have played here but never had the chance.

The Team Reebok squad is on hand and their team of 8 can be seen walking around. The big name on their team is Bill Walker who appears to have put on a good 25-30 pounds.

The games began at 4 PM, with 2 games. The camp consists of five teams so one team sat out.

Team 3 (Orange) 48 - Team 1 (Carolina Blue) 43

French point guard Rodrigue Beaubois suffered a hamstring injury early in the game and was unable to return which meant he didn't play in the all star game against the junior team. His team is off tomorrow, so it remains to be seen if he will be back for the final day. He was impressive once again in practice out-jumping a number of bigger players in the vertical test the campers were put through after the morning practice. Beaubois finished with 2 pts.

Georgos Printezis had another impressive game and is establishing himself as one of the more "draftable" players here. He's a little hunched with regard to his posture and his feet seem to be a step behind his head but he plays with a lot of spirit and makes things happen. He shared the game high in points with Team 1's center Antoly Kashirov.

Printezis had shown some solid athletic ability, but really raised some eyebrows with his hammer dunk over a defender. He rose way up and flushed the ball, the best dunk of the camp so far. He is making a statement here and very possibly could be a player a team will take in the second round with the idea of watching him develop in Greece for a few years before bringing him over.

Antoly Kashirov is one of the better bigmen in camp. He lacks any real leaping ability. But at 7-feet, the CSKA Moscow player has solid scoring ability and fluidity. He scored on a variety of dunks and inside baskets.

After leading the camp in scoring on day one, Rudy Mbemba came back to earth with 6 points on 2/4 shooting.

Luka Bogdanovic had 8 points but shot just 2/8 and hasn't done anything to warrant NBA attention.

Spaniard Javier Rey had 10 points for the victors. He lacks huge leaping ability but he has a big frame, long arms and plays hard. The 6-10 PF looks like a solid European power forward prospect.

Team 2 (Cardinal) 55 - Team 5 (Royal Blue) 28

In an absolute snorer of a game, the only intrigue left by the early second half was whether the Cardinal squad would be able to double up their opponents. They weren't, but it was close.

A number of scouts have questioned why Marco Belinelli is here. He is obviously well known and playing against mostly younger players and doing well doesn't really prove much. But he did just that scoring 17 points with relative ease on 4-8 shooting and 8-8 from the line. He had a dunk on the break as well as a steal in the back court for a lay in. Scouts would have liked to have seen Belinelli play in Orlando, and he likely would have played very well as he's an excellent athlete and polished scorer. Belinelli is off to the states to workout for teams so he will miss the rest of the camp.

Ali Traore has not been as sensational as he was in Orlando so far, but a lot of that can probably be attributed to his teammates. He has a very outgoing personality and hasn't seemed to let the lack of quality teammates affect him. He scored 10 of his team's 28 points and likely would have doubled that if the team had someone that could get him the ball. The Royal team's backcourt is painfully bad as their 3 assists to 18 turnovers in this game shows.

Portugal's Joao Gomes also had 10 points for the losing squad. He has solid athletic ability and an imposing set of tatted arms. He would surely go undrafted if he were in the States as there are tons of NCAA guys with his athletic ability with more skills. However, the intrigue of taking a player with the chance to develop elsewhere while owning his rights gives a number of these players an advantage. Gomes still appears to be a long shot to get drafted. His feel for the game is very limited, and his athletic ability, while impressive, isn't enough alone.

Mantas Kalnietis finally played after missing the first day and a half and looked solid. He had one steal and breakaway dunk in which he showed excellent aggressiveness and body balance. He finished with 11 points on 5/6 shooting. He is a very heady player, as he showed in Japan last summer starting for the Lithuanian team in place of injured Jasikevicius. The Royal squad surely could have used Kalnietis services.

Reebok All Star Game




Rudy Mbemba
The Reebok All Stars were led by Bill Walker who looked like a reincarnation of John "Hot Plate" Williams coming back to training camp after a summer of Dairy Queen binging. When they told Walker to stay off the knee apparently they forgot to tell him to work on his push away move, as he has apparently has not been pushing away from any dinner tables.

Walker actually played well, it's amazing he can move even half as well as he is with the knee brace and extra 30-40 pounds. But compared to the old Walker, this wasn;t pretty. On the positive side, Walker showed a polishing skill level with a number of steals and solid shots off the dribble. He attempted one monster dunk over a defender, apparently forgetting he is just weeks off of surgery to repair his knee. The dunk came up short as he sort of got stuffed by the defender and rim at the same time. Sort of like a scrambling quarterback with a leg injury force to stay in the pocked, the injury is giving Walker a chance to work on the other areas of his game, as right now he cant rely solely on his athletic ability.

It's too early to say how he will recover from the knee injury, as his physical conditioning seemed to be slowing him down as much as his knee.

For the Reebok Eurocamp All stars it was the Rudy Mbemba show as he toyed with the talented but younger and undermanned (8 players) American team. Mbemba ran the show passing the ball very well, guiding his teammates on backdoor cuts and hitting them for perfect ally oops. At one point he drove and attempted a dunk over the American squads bigman. He missed but the play brought Baron Davis, who is here with Pietrus, off his feet. Davis seemed to enjoy watching the young Swedish point guard play.

Also impressive for the Eurocamp squad was Victor Claver who used his size and athleticism well against the smaller opponents. He has a good two inches on rising senior Darius Miller and used it well scoring on dunks and mid range jumpers.

The American team held tough for the first quarter but wer blown out in the second half ultimately losing by around 30.

Early Entry Notes

Georgetown's Jeff Green is still considering going back to school. He'd like to get some guarantee in the top 10 and would really like to know where he is going before signing with an agent (likely David Falk). Green would tip the scales in Georgetown's favor as the #1 college team in the nation if he decided to return.

Green recently worked out for Philadelphia who drafts 12th and impressed. There's almost no chance he would fall past Philadelphia at 12, but knowing the specific team that he will go to might be more important for Green. A team such as Minnesota at 7 or Milwaukee at 6 might want to consider promising Green who is one of the most NBA ready players in the draft. The problem is should a player like Brandan Wright or Yi Jianlian fall, those teams want the flexibility to take someone that slips.

We're hearing both Ramon Sessions and Dominic James will keep their names in the draft. Sessions had a strong workout against Gabe Pruitt in Phoenix and may get some looks in the late first round area. Phoenix, with two late first rounders, is said to be high on Pruitt.

Croatian bigman Ante Tomic pulled out of the draft reportedly due to disagreements with his team.

Sean Singletary is still 50/50 on staying in the draft.

Stanko Barac will likely keep his name in the draft. He is scheduled to workout in NYC on the 16th.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think we should draft all the high prospects....








then trade for lebron ahhaahhaha

[Darkwaters]

Atnumber 58, for the spurs, Rodrigue Beaubois from France

Point guard at the eurocamp. 186 cm with a 6-10 wingspan and 75 cm when jumping without steps. he played pro in france last year for cholet. he played early but was discovered during a pietrus camp in guadeloupe.

He is fast and Athletic, a lot of upside just what you need at 58 and stays in europe

I've read a fair amount on him in draftexpress recently and I'm very impressed. I'd draft him in a heartbeat at 58...but is he even in the draft?

Also, regarding Nocioni...this was posted on Chicagosports.com today:


The key for Phoenix probably would be Ben Gordon. He's in an uneasy position with the Bulls with a contract extension on the horizon and questions about whether he should start. Imagine the openings he would have playing with Nash and Stoudemire. And Phoenix has always liked Andres Nocioni, who could play the forward positions Marion played, make a shot and provide toughness

The site is discussing trading Nocioni and Gordon to Phoenix for Marion. Hmmm...that puts a hurt in Mr. Body's hope for bringing Chappu to SA.

[Mr. Body]

The site is discussing trading Nocioni and Gordon to Phoenix for Marion. Hmmm...that puts a hurt in Mr. Body's hope for bringing Chappu to SA.

I'd be surprised to see it happen. Marion is tremendously expensive and doesn't do what the Bulls actually need - score inside. He rebounds, plays defense, and hits outside shots. They don't need a rebounder, the defense is extra, and he's very expensive for a guy who hits a three now and then. I don't see it in any way happening.

[JUUOT]

I've read a fair amount on him in draftexpress recently and I'm very impressed. I'd draft him in a heartbeat at 58...but is he even in the draft?

It seems he is an early entry candidate and could still withdraw. However i thought i remembered he was older and therefor automatically in but he is not. He is born in 88. It seems he has an agent. I will look for news on him but he sounds intriguing, what a wing span...

http://nbadraft.net/2007earlyentry.asp
http://www.court-side.com/p/P3D3C9BD79EBAC5C1C12572E500430610

And it seems i am not the only one interested in him:
"The top stories where French playmaker Rodrigue Beaubois impressing enough to get six NBA promises in the second round, Marco Belinelli in a somewhat disappointing performance, and the point guard duo Anton Ponkrashov and Rudy Mbemba showing some of the stuff that draw some buzz around them last year."
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2107

Spurs one of them?

[mathbzh]

I've read a fair amount on him in draftexpress recently and I'm very impressed. I'd draft him in a heartbeat at 58...but is he even in the draft?


He is on the early entry list but I would be surprise if he stays in the draft.

This kid is really unproven (the last season he played a total of 17 minutes in 5 games 0pts 3rbds 2ast (he played most games with Cholet young team).

I hope he will play more next season so we can see what he can do.

If he is available at 58, I would rather pick Yannick Bokolo.
Bokolo is a 6'2 and very athletic combo guard borned in 1985. He moved to PG 2 years ago and is still learning how to run offense and set up the tempo of the game. His offense is still raw but he was improving by the end of this season with Le Mans. Bokolo is already very good defender (One of the best guard in Europe). Despite being only 6'2 (maybe 6'3) he can guard bigger player (thanks to his athletic body).
Bokolo did have a disappointing season with Le Mans but I still believe he could turn into a very good defensive PG.

[Darkwaters]

He is on the early entry list but I would be surprise if he stays in the draft.

This kid is really unproven (the last season he played a total of 17 minutes in 5 games 0pts 3rbds 2ast (he played most games with Cholet young team).

I hope he will play more next season so we can see what he can do.

If he is available at 58, I would rather pick Yannick Bokolo.
Bokolo is a 6'2 and very athletic combo guard borned in 1985. He moved to PG 2 years ago and is still learning how to run offense and set up the tempo of the game. His offense is still raw but he was improving by the end of this season with Le Mans. Bokolo is already very good defender (One of the best guard in Europe). Despite being only 6'2 (maybe 6'3) he can guard bigger player (thanks to his athletic body).
Bokolo did have a disappointing season with Le Mans but I still believe he could turn into a very good defensive PG.

The only way that Bokolo gets drafted is if we take him. He would be a good pick as well.

[mathbzh]

The only way that Bokolo gets drafted is if we take him. He would be a good pick as well.
I don't know. Does anyone knows why we don't ear about Bokolo doing some workouts? I think it is really weird.
Does it means he give up on the NBA for the moment?

[Bruno]

I don't know. Does anyone knows why we don't ear about Bokolo doing some workouts? I think it is really weird.
Does it means he give up on the NBA for the moment?

Bergeaud (French NT coach) has said that Bokolo will spend his summer in the USA doing some workouts and playing in summer leagues.
I really like this player. I'm all for drafting him at 58 and letting him one more year in europe where he will be a starting PG for an euroleague team.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What are y'alls thoughts on Ramon Sessions?

[Darkwaters]

What are y'alls thoughts on Ramon Sessions?

I think I'd rather just take Aaron Miles rather than waste a draft pick.

[Mr. Body]

What are y'alls thoughts on Ramon Sessions?

I believe his intention was always to return to school.

[Bruno]

Zabian Dowdell :
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-06-12-0123.html


Dowdell's agent, New Jersey-based Kareem Memarian, said his client has worked out for the New Orleans Hornets, Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs, and has upcoming workouts with the Detroit Pistons, Los Angeles Lakers, Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets

Jacob Burtschi will maybe work out with Spurs :

http://www.gazette.com/sports/burtschi_23511___article.html/air_force.html



The 6-6 Burtschi, who averaged 13.5 points, a team-high six rebounds and 1.6 steals per game last season, said workouts with the San Antonio Spurs, Seattle SuperSonics and Toronto Raptors are possible, but nothing has been set.

[Bruno]

Spurs' workouts :

PG :
Jared Jordan
Gabe Pruitt
Zabian Dowdell

SG/SF :
Aaron Afflalo
Demetris Nichols
Ron Lewis

PF/C :
Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin
Lamont Hamilton
Aaron Gray

Maybe :
Trey Johnson
Jacob Burtschi

[yavozerb]

my picks this week:
#28 jared dudley
#33 nick fazekas
#58 jared jordan

[Darkwaters]

my picks this week:
#28 jared dudley
#33 nick fazekas
#58 jared jordan

I like that except I'd rather not take Jordan and simply toss in some long-term Euro project.

[EvenFlow]

With over two weeks before the draft happens, here are the hunches I have right now.

28: Gabe Pruitt
33: Carl Landry or Kyle Visser
58: Someone from a country I never knew existed. (draft and stash pick)

[Mr. Body]

As your Spurs representative for the DX mock draft (via forums), I've selected:

#28 Gabe Pruitt
#33 Jared Dudley

At least given the motley crew also drafting, these players were still available.

[yavozerb]

I just feel fazekas and dudley could be long term stays in SA rather than a player such as pruitt who will refine his skills behind parker and then move on to another team to start..Just a thought, but drafting pruitt will def. solidify the back up Pg position for a couple of years.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I just feel fazekas and dudley could be long term stays in SA rather than a player such as pruitt who will refine his skills behind parker and then move on to another team to start..Just a thought, but drafting pruitt will def. solidify the back up Pg position for a couple of years.
whats teh chances of parker stayin here long term?

he could bolt to LA and be kidd v2 on a leash by his wife

[Mr. Body]

I just feel fazekas and dudley could be long term stays in SA rather than a player such as pruitt who will refine his skills behind parker and then move on to another team to start..Just a thought, but drafting pruitt will def. solidify the back up Pg position for a couple of years.

Having an up-and-coming young PG on your roster is hardly a bad thing. That's one of the greatest, easiest to move trade assets in the league.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

As your Spurs representative for the DX mock draft (via forums), I've selected:

#28 Gabe Pruitt
#33 Jared Dudley

At least given the motley crew also drafting, these players were still available.
:tu :tu :tu

[AFBlue]

I just feel fazekas and dudley could be long term stays in SA rather than a player such as pruitt who will refine his skills behind parker and then move on to another team to start..Just a thought, but drafting pruitt will def. solidify the back up Pg position for a couple of years.


Pruitt also has enough size, length, and scoring ability to play the 2 in a small-guard set as well...which has become evermore popular. So I think Pruitt has enough to stick it out in SA.

[yavozerb]

If rudy fernandez and/or marco belinelli are left at #28, do the spurs take one of these guys? Also, on Pruitt, I do not think he well be around at #28 which also would be an ok pick..

[Mr. Body]

If rudy fernandez and/or marco belinelli are left at #28, do the spurs take one of these guys? Also, on Pruitt, I do not think he well be around at #28 which also would be an ok pick..

Pruitt IMO is more likely to be there at #28. I think Fernandez might go by the late teens and Belinelli in the early 20s at the latest, while Pruitt could slip into the 2nd round if Phoenix doesn't nab him at #29.

If all three are available, I'd go:

Fernandez, Belinelli, Pruitt... in that order of preference.

[yavozerb]

If conley, law, and crittenton are off the board by the miami pick at #20 I think they will go with pruitt. Fernandez and belenelli are very similar players, what seperates one from the other?

[Mr. Body]

I've heard Miami likes Zabian Dowdell a lot, so could see them going with him first.

[yavozerb]

Dowdell in mid-late 1st, that would be suprising..Heat would be better off trading down if this was the case.

[Darkwaters]

Dowdell in mid-late 1st, that would be suprising..Heat would be better off trading down if this was the case.

I'd gladly facilitate that trade in order to grab up Rudy Fernandez.

[yavozerb]

I'd gladly facilitate that trade in order to grab up Rudy Fernandez.
Agreed!!

[Mr. Body]

As far as reputation Dowdell or Pruitt at 20 might be a stretch. They got an Orlando early second rounder for the rights to hire Stan Van Gundy, so they don't necessarily need to trade down, and should be able to find a decent point guard around there, so may not stretch for a guy at 20. Instead they should be able to find a SG or swingman with some talent there.

But yes, they could jump on Pruitt there, although it seems high.

[yavozerb]

Miami could also use a SF (Byars) and come back with Dowdell..Didn't know they received Magic 2nd round pick so this makes more sense..

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

They got an Orlando early second rounder for the rights to hire Stan Van Gundy.
When was this announced? Sources?

[Mr. Body]

Byars. Yes, that's who I was missing. I've seen some good mock drafts that have them grabbing Derrick Byars there, making a lot of sense. Dowdell is too early there, but with the new pick (rubbish, I say, that they got it) they can find him or someone like him there.

[Darkwaters]

As far as reputation Dowdell or Pruitt at 20 might be a stretch. They got an Orlando early second rounder for the rights to hire Stan Van Gundy, so they don't necessarily need to trade down, and should be able to find a decent point guard around there, so may not stretch for a guy at 20. Instead they should be able to find a SG or swingman with some talent there.

But yes, they could jump on Pruitt there, although it seems high.

I didn't realize that. I thought it was financial compensation only.

[Mr. Body]

When was this announced? Sources?

Uh... I'm too lazy to look it up, but they got it. The #39 or so.

[yavozerb]

Yes, it's #39 pick...Read about on espn and have also seen updated mock drafts changed (NBAdraft.net)

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yea I just noticed that too on nbadraft.net. Nice discovery Mr.Body :tu.

[EvenFlow]

Pruitt also has enough size, length, and scoring ability to play the 2 in a small-guard set as well...which has become evermore popular. So I think Pruitt has enough to stick it out in SA.


Too add on my 2 cents: Pruitt would also have solid enough ball handling skills as a two guard option where he wouldn't be just another "spot up shooter" he could be able to create his own offense, drive to the basket, and push the ball on a fastbreak. And he's a good shooter anyway, which is the most easily translatable skill from college to the pros. He definitely isn't perfect like I may be making him out to be but he's the type of pg that the Spurs would have trouble finding anywhere else but this draft. So what if he is only with the Spurs for 4 years then out, by then the Spurs run would be pretty much over.

[wildbill2u]

As your Spurs representative for the DX mock draft (via forums), I've selected:

#28 Gabe Pruitt
#33 Jared Dudley

At least given the motley crew also drafting, these players were still available.
There's been so much buzz about Dudley I doubt he'll be around on even the 28th pick.

[Darkwaters]

There's been so much buzz about Dudley I doubt he'll be around on even the 28th pick.

RealGM's mock has him going at 46. There is absolutely no way. This guy is 1st round material through and through.

[AFBlue]

Pruitt IMO is more likely to be there at #28. I think Fernandez might go by the late teens and Belinelli in the early 20s at the latest, while Pruitt could slip into the 2nd round if Phoenix doesn't nab him at #29.

If all three are available, I'd go:

Fernandez, Belinelli, Pruitt... in that order of preference.

On Fernandez and Belinelli....I haven't seen any reports of them working out for teams or being heavily scouted. Are they still playing for their Euroleague teams?

I still think that one of them slips into the late first round because of buyout concerns, etc. And if there's one thing the Spurs FO likes, it's foreigners. Here's my preference for the picks...but again I would be happy with so many others.

#28 Fernandez/Pruitt

#33 Dudley/Fazekas

[Mr. Body]

Dudley is getting a lot of good press, but that's against guys around his same talent level. When push comes to shove, most GMs are still going to go for the big hits/homeruns. I could see Dominic McGuire getting taken before him, for example; plus, a lot of teams are still following the Phoenix model and will go more for athletes.

When you look at the late first round... the question is which teams are likely to take Dudley there? Detroit could, but he's not a big need - if they take Stuckey at 15 they'll probably go for size. Houston has Battier and other needs to take care of. Etc. I can see Utah taking a real shine to him, but feel because of Kirilenko and the fact they're starting Fisher as a SG they'd rather take someone like Arron Afflalo there.

Then you have Morris Almond floating around, who will look more attractive than Jared Dudley. Phoenix themselves own two 20s picks - although I think one will be sold.

I see the scenario of Dudley slipping very easily into the second round. You have too many similar levels of talent around there - Aaron Gray, Afflalo, Fazekas, Almond, Dowdell - with varying skills, that it's not obvious Dudley shoots up the board.

[Mr. Body]

On Fernandez and Belinelli....I haven't seen any reports of them working out for teams or being heavily scouted. Are they still playing for their Euroleague teams?


Belinelli left the Treviso camp (Europe) early to work out for American teams. I have no idea the whereabouts of Fernandez - perhaps he's still playing?

I wonder if the Spurs like Fazekas or think he works in their system. I could see Houston really going for him.

[K-State Spur]

There's been so much buzz about Dudley I doubt he'll be around on even the 28th pick.

We'll see. The upside on Dudley may not be as big as it with some other players. I think he would be a perfect rotation player for the Spurs. Put him at the '4' next to Duncan in small ball and that's an effective front line.

But a lot of teams still want to use their first round pick on a guy who has the raw ability that - if harnessed - can translate to all-star games. Dudley is more polished than the majority of the draft, but in terms of pure athletic ability/size/strength/quickness, I think he's still got a pretty good chance to fall to the end of the round.

Now, whether Buford/Pop even view him that highly is a whole different story...

[Bruno]

Fernandez is playing in Spain. He is curently playing game 5 (series format is best of 5) of the semifinal.
I'm watching game 5 of the other semifinal between Tau and Barcelona. The game is tied 40-40 and it's the start of the second half. A quite good game, very physical.

[wildbill2u]

RealGM's mock has him going at 46. There is absolutely no way. This guy is 1st round material through and through.
I noticed they have Dominic McGuire down at 56 now. I thought he was pretty secure at the top of the second round and hoped we could take him at 33.

[Mr. Body]

Where is realgm's house mock you guys are finding? McGuire at 56 is crazy; he's gone by 40, I'd say.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/913/20070606/nba_mock_draft_version_30_(post_measurements)/

I think they meant 54th overall for McGuire.

[Bruno]

I'm watching game 5 of the other semifinal between Tau and Barcelona. The game is tied 40-40 and it's the start of the second half. A quite good game, very physical.

Barcelona is up by 20 with 3 min left (84-64).
Tau is eliminated of the spanich league.
Scola has been really bad for the last and most important game of his season.

Edit : So Tau lost 95-79. Scola fouled out on a flagrant foul with one minute left and was really pissed. I don't know what will happen with him next year but it was a kinda sad ending of his season and maybe of his career in europe.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

tisk

[AFBlue]

Belinelli left the Treviso camp (Europe) early to work out for American teams. I have no idea the whereabouts of Fernandez - perhaps he's still playing?

I wonder if the Spurs like Fazekas or think he works in their system. I could see Houston really going for him.

Understanding that Steve Novak is a much less complete player, I see the similarity with outside shooting and size...so why duplicate talent? I think that Houston could go elsewhere with their first rounder. They could go with a PG, a shooter, a low-post big with rebounding/defense. I'm not completely "poo-pooing" the idea, just think that he still might be around in the early second for the Spurs' taking.

On whether he's a "Spurs" guy is hard to say. He seems to have a good inside-out game and show some level of toughness (though it has been questioned in the tourney). We'll see, but he could be a good addition to this team with his offensive versatility.

[Mr. Body]

The realgm mock is pretty lousy. I won't count the ways, even if it's not totally horrific, but even saying in their pick comments that Taurean Green wouldn't be "much of a drop off at all" from Tony Parker is a goddamn moron. Green would be lucky to ever be as good as Parker is right now.

[EvenFlow]

I honestly don't like that realgm mock draft, Spurs drafting those guys would be a very bad dream. And yes Mr. Body, the entire mock itself is crap.

[Mr. Body]

Understanding that Steve Novak is a much less complete player, I see the similarity with outside shooting and size...so why duplicate talent? I think that Houston could go elsewhere with their first rounder. They could go with a PG, a shooter, a low-post big with rebounding/defense. I'm not completely "poo-pooing" the idea, just think that he still might be around in the early second for the Spurs' taking.

On whether he's a "Spurs" guy is hard to say. He seems to have a good inside-out game and show some level of toughness (though it has been questioned in the tourney). We'll see, but he could be a good addition to this team with his offensive versatility.

Don't know him too well, but Novak is almost strictly an outside shooter, while Fazekas (in the NCAAs at least) was a terrific rebounder and shot blocker on top of being a great shooter.

I just checked out his NCAA stats... didn't realize Novak was so tall; he certainly doesn't play his height. In that way he's closer to a Matt Bullard. Fazekas could be a different player. I've liked Morris Almond a lot for Houston, and think rather that's where they'd go, whether or not Bonzi Wells winds up coming back.

[wildbill2u]

Just went to NBAdraft.net and they have us taking Caleb Green, a Sr. from Oral Roberts at 58.

Trust me, at that pick the Spurs will take a Euro for sure. No payments up front and a wave and good luck to ya from the F.O.

[yavozerb]

NBAdraft.net also has a note that team needs will not even be considered in their mock until after the season ends...

[Bruno]

Fernandez is playing in Spain. He is curently playing game 5 (series format is best of 5) of the semifinal.


Fernandzez' team lost, Fernandez season is over.
Ferandez scored 15 points.

[Darkwaters]

Fernandzez' team lost, Fernandez season is over.
Ferandez scored 15 points.

Fernandez needs to be a Spur!

[AFBlue]

Fernandez needs to be a Spur!

It's his destiny....

[AFBlue]

Notes on Beabios...

What jumped out at me was the 6'9 wingspan (REDICULOUS!) and the comparison to Rajon Rondo...a freakish athlete that plays great defense, though he also has no "shot".


Rodrigue Beaubois, PG, 6-2, 170, France
Beaubois is a 19-year-old point guard who really has surprised a number of NBA scouts here. I don't think anyone came into the camp expecting much (in fact, few had ever even seen him play) but just about everyone is impressed with his athleticism, quickness, length (he has a huge 6-9 wing span) and hands. Physically, he resembles Rajon Rondo.

Beaubois was discovered by Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus at one of his camps in Guadeloupe. Each year Pietrus works with hundreds of kids and narrows it down to a handful that he'll help get jobs in France. Beaubois is the first kid to make it this far.

"He's a very good player," Pietrus, who is attending the camp in Italy, told ESPN.com. "I think he is developing the skills to be a pro. He just has to be patient."

Beaubois had 10 points on 4-of-7 shooting in 20 minutes of play Saturday. That was enough, apparently, for some teams. Beaubois agent, Bill McCandless, told me on Sunday morning that he got a couple of offers from teams in the second round. The idea is that if Beaubois stops playing, stays in the draft and is available, they'll take him.

I think that might be overdoing it a little. Beaubois seems like a prospect, but he doesn't have the strength or the experience to play in the NBA anytime soon. He's a "down-the-road" prospect. Still, teams know that he might come at a much higher price next season, so maybe they're willing to take the chance now.

Beaubois was on the roster of the Eurocamp All-Star game on Sunday but didn't play, raising some eyebrows and suspicions that he might have taken someone up on the offer.

Not bad for 20 minutes of work.

There's that down-the-road European prospect that no one has ever heard of and that the Spurs will take at #58

[Darkwaters]

There's that down-the-road European prospect that no one has ever heard of and that the Spurs will take at #58

If he stays in the draft: YES. But he supposedly received several second round promises but nothing in the first. He will likely pull out early.

[Darkwaters]

It's his destiny....

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/darth-vader-gloves-3.jpg

[A.H 21-50]

does anyone think the spurs could draft undersized pg's like brooks or dominic james ??

Aaron Brooks IMO is a good player but i didn't saw a lot of things about james but he seems to be quick , with great speed and maybe here with the no 58 pick

my mock is

no.28 Pruitt or Byars / Bellineli if they still there
no.33 Dudley/ Fazekas
no.58 ??

Lot of options also considering Nichols who can be good with our second round pick .

[K-State Spur]

the problem with that is that even the "successful" undersized points like boykins tend to be large (no pun intended) liabilities on the defensive end of the floor. in 2005, we saw how a guy like billups could just outmuscle and work over the top of parker, and tony's 6'2.

i could see pop going with a guy like vaughn over a greatly undersized point.

[Mr. Body]

I'm starting to see mock drafts with Taurean Green as a Spur at #28. I hope not - he seems like a Shammond Williams to me.

[Darkwaters]

I'm starting to see mock drafts with Taurean Green as a Spur at #28. I hope not - he seems like a Shammond Williams to me.

I agree, theres no way I take him at 28. And the only way I take Green is if Zadian Dowdell is already off the board anyways. Not to mention Gabe Pruitt.

Have the Spurs really expressed much interest in Green to begin with?

[Mr. Body]

I agree, theres no way I take him at 28. And the only way I take Green is if Zadian Dowdell is already off the board anyways. Not to mention Gabe Pruitt.

Have the Spurs really expressed much interest in Green to begin with?

According to Bruno's post at #1631 there is no indication of a workout with Green. The only PGs figured out yet (due to Spurs' CIAdom) are Jared Jordan, Zabian Dowdell, and Pruitt. Since I see Jordan as highly unlikely, that means there are only two PGs so far the Spurs are interested in.

But we still have three weeks.

[picnroll]

Spurs never brought in Mahinimi, Krstic, or a bunch of players they reportedly had interest in. Based on past practices I'd say there is a better than 50/50 chance we haven't a clue based on who they work out who they may be interested in.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Krstic???

[yavozerb]

Consider this a bump..

Beno or Duhon/Barry to Cavs
Scola to bulls
Nocioni to Spurs
Spurs receive 2nd rd pick from bulls

Eveyone is happy!!

[Mr. Body]

I don't think that works within the CBA, unless I'm missing what the Cavs give up equal in salary to Cleveland.

[yavozerb]

the cavs would have to give up either snow or marshall..Just a thought.

[EvenFlow]

In my mind, I have the Spurs going after a perimeter player (combo guard or sg) and a big at the #28 and #33 picks. How would that effect the Spurs ability to nab a free agent sf (Nocioni, Posey, Pietrus, etc.)? and who would you prefer the Spurs going after?

[Mr. Body]

the cavs would have to give up either snow or marshall..Just a thought.

I'd rather have Barry than either - don't see Chicago wanting either one.

[Mr. Body]

In my mind, I have the Spurs going after a perimeter player (combo guard or sg) and a big at the #28 and #33 picks. How would that effect the Spurs ability to nab a free agent sf (Nocioni, Posey, Pietrus, etc.)? and who would you prefer the Spurs going after?

I think that's reasonable. I can see a Marc Gasol or Kyle Visser at #33. Whomever they draft will likely have little effect on their going after Nocioni or someone like that; there is no starter-caliber SF still available that late in the draft, at least right away.

[pad300]

I think that's reasonable. I can see a Marc Gasol or Kyle Visser at #33. Whomever they draft will likely have little effect on their going after Nocioni or someone like that; there is no starter-caliber SF still available that late in the draft, at least right away.

While I can believe that there is no immediate starter available, I don't think that we would find an immediate starter at SF if we were drafting 1st, even if we passed on Oden, Durant, .... We have effective veterans at that point, and Pop is a tough taskmaster for rookies. I can't see a rookie snagging a starting spot anywhere except maybe at C (even then Oberto has the starting C spot pretty locked up right now), just because of the level of veteran talent on this team.

I can see us picking up whomever we think is the best prospect at both #28 and #33. In particular, we know we will have spaces in our wing spots in the coming years, and there appear to be several good prospects that will be available in that range. I can see us getting 2 Wings - eg. Dudley and Demitris Nichols...I do hope we don't get Visser or Gasol; I'm not really impressed with either of them...

[Mr. Body]

Visser/Gasol is more likely to start as a Spurs C than Nichols/Dudley at SF, because they aren't as important of positions in today's league. That's my point.

[Bruno]

Don't discount the possibility that Spurs trade the 28th or the 33th (or both).

Packaging draft picks with expiring contracts to a team in rebuildng mode for a solid vet makes way more sense for Spurs than developing young players. Spurs are in win now mode and vets will help them more than rookies.

[Bruno]

Notes on Beaubois...

What jumped out at me was the 6'9 wingspan (REDICULOUS!)

Zabian Dowdell and his 6'10" wingspan is too quite impresive.

[fuckespn]

Don't discount the possibility that Spurs trade the 28th or the 33th (or both).

Packaging draft picks with expiring contracts to a team in rebuildng mode for a solid vet makes way more sense for Spurs than developing young players. Spurs are in win now mode and vets will help them more than rookies.

Yeah it would suck to have barbosa or josh howard right about now

[yavozerb]

Don't discount the possibility that Spurs trade the 28th or the 33th (or both).

Packaging draft picks with expiring contracts to a team in rebuildng mode for a solid vet makes way more sense for Spurs than developing young players. Spurs are in win now mode and vets will help them more than rookies.

I was thinking about a team like Indiana who has no draft picks this year..
#28, #33, Beno for Diogu/or Granger(salaries match) and 2nd round pick 2008.

[AFBlue]

Zabian Dowdell and his 6'10" wingspan is too quite impresive.

Yeah, but he's not foreign dude....we're talking about the Spurs here.

[AFBlue]

I was thinking about a team like Indiana who has no draft picks this year..
#28, #33, Beno for Diogu/or Granger(salaries match) and 2nd round pick 2008.

Diogu maybe....Granger, not in your wildest dreams.

I even think Diogu is questionable because they might need him if they decide to ship out Jermaine O'Neal.

[Bruno]

I was thinking about a team like Indiana who has no draft picks this year..
#28, #33, Beno for Diogu/or Granger(salaries match) and 2nd round pick 2008.

Jeff Foster is a more realistic solution.

[yavozerb]

Jeff Foster is a more realistic solution.

Not at 5+ mil for 2-3 years left on contract. Diogu is more realistic for #28/beno and granger is not going anywhere..

[Bruno]

Indiana won't trade Diogu for a late first round pick while Foster could be available for that kind of package.

[leemajors]

Not at 5+ mil for 2-3 years left on contract. Diogu is more realistic for #28/beno and granger is not going anywhere..
as much as i dislike foster personally (he was a friend of a friend and ganked a 12 pack from my fridge in austin once), dude can rebound and stay out of duncan's way in the post.

[Mr. Body]

Diogu nor Granger are available for what we have.

[A.H 21-50]

Just a link to an article posted by bruno

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/139064.html

if the spurs want to resign vaughn as TP back up that means no pruitt or no other pg ??

but JV can sign with another team too , also they will see some pg's during workouts so i don't know exactly their plan.....

[EvenFlow]

One of the reasons I have the Spurs going after a pg and a big in the draft, is so that they don't need to overpay for one in FA when the 08 season comes to an end. I'm sure that if Vaughn is resigned, Pruitt or whoever would probably get 3rd stringer minutes at best, unless a certain matchup calls for otherwise. But if Jacque Vaughn wants more than the vet. min it's likely he'll be shown the door.

[Darkwaters]

One of the reasons I have the Spurs going after a pg and a big in the draft, is so that they don't need to overpay for one in FA when the 08 season comes to an end. I'm sure that if Vaughn is resigned, Pruitt or whoever would probably get 3rd stringer minutes at best, unless a certain matchup calls for otherwise. But if Jacque Vaughn wants more than the vet. min it's likely he'll be shown the door.

Who knows? If Pruitt or Dowdell or whomever comes in and lights it up I can see them taking over the number 2 spot very quickly. Remember, Vaughn was always intended to be the 3rd PG anyways.

Strange things can happen when you're not a cornerstone of a franchise. When Tony Parker came into the league it only took him 5 games to get off the pine and crack the starting rotation and hes not looked back. If a young PG is ready to contribute the Spurs won't hesitate to play him. At this point, a rookie has a potentially long future with this team while Vaughn doesn't have many more years left in the league. You do the math.

[AFBlue]

One of the reasons I have the Spurs going after a pg and a big in the draft, is so that they don't need to overpay for one in FA when the 08 season comes to an end. I'm sure that if Vaughn is resigned, Pruitt or whoever would probably get 3rd stringer minutes at best, unless a certain matchup calls for otherwise. But if Jacque Vaughn wants more than the vet. min it's likely he'll be shown the door.

And it seems as if either Pruitt or Dowdell could take minutes at the two-guard if they showed enough....might also lead to the Spurs shopping Barry or Fin.

[Mr. Body]

Nothing much to say, but that I was drafting for the T-Wolves in the DX group mock draft, as well.

For the Spurs I got Pruitt and then Dudley.

Just picked for the Wolves' second rounder. They get Corey Brewer and just now Nick Fazekas. An excellent draft for them, I'd say.

[AFBlue]

FYI, the latest mock from ESPN has Belinelli falling to the Spurs at #28. Previously he went to Houston, but with them on the verge of trading Howard, you figure they'll go for a big. Ford also mentions that there should be alot of picks for sale....I'll list the ones he mentions:

Heat @ #20 (Has Pruitt here)
Bobcats @ #22 (Has Almond here)
Suns @ #24....though he says they'll likely use this plus their #29 to move up

Ford has guys like Hardin, Big Baby, Cook, and Shaun Williams in the first round ahead of where the Spurs draft and I don't see them that high in some of the other Mocks...still, it's conceivable that one of the two Euro guards will be available with that first pick and I don't see how the Spurs (with their affinity for Europeans) pass on either one of these talents.

[Mr. Body]

Belinelli's recent shaky performances and buyout questions may make him last until the end of the round.

I'm not sure why he has Miami selling their pick - they need talent very badly. Trading down for more picks? Sure. But not selling it.

I'm not sure why Charlotte sells theirs, but Indiana may have an unrefuseable offer.

Phoenix I can see moving up via a package of their two picks.

Glen Davis will be a steal in the 2nd round. Not sure if he goes first. Someone may take a shot at Shaun Williams, but I sure wouldn't. Hardin, dunno. And Daquan Cook I could see Isiah take a stab at.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The updated mock draft on DX has us picking Gray with the #28, Pruitt with the #33, and Brad Newley with the #58.

[Darkwaters]

If we draft a foreign player with either the 33 or 28 (Fernandez, Belinelli, etc) how would you feel about drafting DJ Strawberry with the 58? Hes a guy that could come in and play a reasonable role off the bench as a defensive specialist. If nothing else, he is a guy that we could watch for a year and then decide whether we want to keep him or not whenever Bowen, Finley and Barry's contracts all come due.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see the Aaron Gray pick. The guy is huge - 7'2", 275 lbs. - and has some real skills, but he's slow. He'd have problems enough making defensive rotations, but in the end, why would the Spurs take him if they have Jackie Butler?

In their mock, Belinelli drops to 31. I don't see the Suns passing on him twice and the Spurs once.

That said, as always I'm very happy with a Pruitt pick. Last mock they had him at least 10 spots later. It's good to see them reevaluate.

[Mr. Body]

DJ Strawberry -

for a guy slated for the end of the draft to undrafted, he looks a good prospect. He was 14.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2 spg, 47.7 fg%, 68.5 ft%, 34.4 3p% in the ACC.

Why isn't this guy getting so little attention? Why isn't he as good as Arron Afflalo?

Maryland beat Carolina and Duke twice down the stretch... lost to a solid Butler team in the second round... So what gives?

[BIG IRISH]

DJ Strawberry -

for a guy slated for the end of the draft to undrafted, he looks a good prospect. He was 14.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2 spg, 47.7 fg%, 68.5 ft%, 34.4 3p% in the ACC.

Why isn't this guy getting so little attention? Why isn't he as good as Arron Afflalo?

Maryland beat Carolina and Duke twice down the stretch... lost to a solid Butler team in the second round... So what gives?

His shooting and all-around scoring has always been the knock, while his defense is stellar,i.e. SPURS MODE, a good prospect to work with Chip and a hell of a lot better than Beno. He has problems in running a team in a half-court set, I think he might just be available at the end of the 2nd round.

[Mr. Body]

He's listed at 6'5" but I'm guessing he's smaller, since people keep mentioning his lack of point guard skills.

[Admidave50]

Still a chance to get Dudley or is he up in the 1st round?

[Darkwaters]

Frankly, I would like to see the Spurs trade up with a team like Charlotte, Golden State or the 76ers to get a higher pick in the draft (so we can get RUDY!). Another prudent move would be to dump our 58 for another higher future second rounder (a la, the Damir Markota trade). Obviously this plan could change depending on who this year's Marcus Williams is and ends up slipping. But here is my plan assuming that we make no trades:



I like this hierarchy of picks if any of these outcomes occur:
A) Fernandez is still on the board at 28 (regardless of Pruitt's status)
B) Pruitt is NOT on the board at 28

28: Fernandez or Belinelli (if Pruitt isn't around)
33: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Fazekas or Dowdell or Tucker
58: DJ Strawberry (if we don't take Dudley, Byars, Almond, or Tucker) or Yue or Random as of yet unnamed Euro

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Probably my dream scenario is to take Fernandez with the first and snag Byars in the second. You then fill out the final pick with a random Euro. I imagine at least ONE of the three picks will be a foreigner and the quality of foreigners is far higher in the first round than in the second (obviously). Rudy Fernandez is going to be a beast in this league. Dudley, Byars and Almond would all help us fill out the wing and could help immediately as would Dowdell at the point. Having a rotation of Ginobili/Fernandez/Byars in a couple years makes me salivate. I still am unsure how Fazekas will stick in this league but if he comes at 33 I have absolutely NO problems as he could be an absolute steal there. I wouldn't mind taking Alando Tucker with this pick either. But I'd rather take any of those other guys first. Picking up a guy like Strawberry at the 58 would be nice if we don't get a wing that we will bring in next season. He would probably ride the bench and learn the system for a year but could play some in year two whenever Bowen, Finley, Barry and White all come off the books. Plus, at 58 its a gamble you can definitely afford to take. If we already take a wing though I don't see any room for Strawberry. A player like Sun Yue is very intriguing and might as well be taken with the 58 at that point. Of course, its pretty much a crapshoot this deep in the draft.

If Fernandez is gone but Pruitt is there at 28.

28: Pruitt
33: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Fazekas or Tucker
58: Draft and Stash (Yue?)

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If Pruitt is there but Rudy isn't then Pruitt is a Spur. Period. He will be a capable backup PG while also being able to play off the ball on occasion. This is important since the Spurs wings are getting older and older and having two good ball handlers and playmakers in the backcourt is a look that the Spurs haven't really been able to go to as of late (appologies to Brent Barry). I still think a true wing is a necessity in this draft especially if we're not stashing one abroad this year. If Byars, Dudley and Almond are all off the table though I'd still be open to taking Fazekas and just trusting in Pruitt's two way ability. As well, I like the possibly of exploring taking Strawberry at 58. Tucker is still on the board, but his limited NBA game makes me like rolling the dice on the kid from Nevada more. Draft and stash the last pick.

If Fernandez, Pruitt and Belinelli are all gone then:

28: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Koponen
33: Fazekas or Tucker or Dowdell (unless Koponen is taken) of Mark Gasol
58: DJ Strawberry (if no wing is drafted) or draft and stash

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Chances are that Fernandez is gone by 28. Pruitt could be gone too and Belinelli could pull out of the draft entirely. Obviously, those 3 are the players that I hinge this draft on. This is the plan in case all 3 slip through our fingers.

[AFBlue]

Still a chance to get Dudley or is he up in the 1st round?


He had a productive draft camp, where he showed pretty good defense and a reliable mid-range shot...both will help him in the upcoming draft. He should be there in the early second round unless a team absolutely falls in love with his intangibles in the First Round.

I'd say the Spurs should go for talent with their first pick and solid intangible guy with their second....

#28 Fernandez/Belinelli/Pruitt

#33 Dudley/Fazekas

Spurs just won their 4th in nine, and this draft should help them gather role players for runs in the next 5 or 6 years...all players listed above could be huge for them, and there are plenty more that would fit as well....I'm excited!

[Darkwaters]

I'm warming on Fazekas too. But I still think the best fits for this team are Fernandez/Belinelli/Pruitt/Dudley and Strawberry at the 58.

[AFBlue]

I'm warming on Fazekas too. But I still think the best fits for this team are Fernandez/Belinelli/Pruitt/Dudley and Strawberry at the 58.


I wouldn't be suprised if the Spurs go draft-n-stash with the 58th pick. My favorite would be another French PG...

Rodrigue Beabois, 19yr 6'2 170lb, France

There's alot of "projectability" with a player as raw as him, but he has great length (6'9 wingspan), athleticism, and defensive intensity. It seems like a place the Spurs have gone before (raw Frenchmen) and a place their likely to revisit.

[AFBlue]

I'm warming on Fazekas too. But I still think the best fits for this team are Fernandez/Belinelli/Pruitt/Dudley and Strawberry at the 58.

Your dream scenario (Fernandez at 28 and Byars at 33) isn't much different from mine. It's likely that the Spurs wouldn't be able to add two more players to their current roster, so one of them just might be a foreigner...and none is better at #28 than Rudy. He could stay overseas for one more year, wait until the contracts expire for Barry and Fin, then come over for the 08-09 season.

Byars/Dudley/Fazekas probably wouldn't get much "burn" either, but they'd be there for the long-term future of the Spurs and would hedge against possible trades or departures in FA (Barry, Fin, Bonner, Ely, Oberto).

[Darkwaters]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Spurs go draft-n-stash with the 58th pick. My favorite would be another French PG...

Rodrigue Beabois, 19yr 6'2 170lb, France

There's alot of "projectability" with a player as raw as him, but he has great length (6'9 wingspan), athleticism, and defensive intensity. It seems like a place the Spurs have gone before (raw Frenchmen) and a place their likely to revisit.

If this guy is available at 58 then you take him. Period. But I promise you he won't be there. Hes probably going to drop out of the draft anyways. But if hes there he is said to have gotten upwards of 6 second round promises. We would have to trade up to grab him.

[Darkwaters]

Your dream scenario (Fernandez at 28 and Byars at 33) isn't much different from mine. It's likely that the Spurs wouldn't be able to add two more players to their current roster, so one of them just might be a foreigner...and none is better at #28 than Rudy. He could stay overseas for one more year, wait until the contracts expire for Barry and Fin, then come over for the 08-09 season.

Byars/Dudley/Fazekas probably wouldn't get much "burn" either, but they'd be there for the long-term future of the Spurs and would hedge against possible trades or departures in FA (Barry, Fin, Bonner, Ely, Oberto).

Exactly. And I'm thinking largely long-term with many of these picks. Two things are generally true about the Spurs:

1) We're old and getting older
2) Our system is complicated and generally takes a year to learn

That being said, it makes sense to draft some young guys and give them a year on the practice squad (a la, James White, Jackie Butler, Stephen Jackson, Fabricio Oberto etc). Within a year several of our old guys will be gone and some of our new guys will be tenured enough to contribute. A player that goes in the second round would have a year to learn the system and then a year to prove he is worth retaining. At under 500k a year that is definitely a player we can afford to pay. Even late first rounders are going to be under the veteran's minimum and won't hurt our 08 Masterplan too much.

By the way, I've been seeing more indication that Belinelli is slipping into the second. If we could draft Rudy AND Belinelli (unlikely) then I would be absolutely giddy.

[yavozerb]

The Spurs' Michael Finley can opt out of the final year of his contract ($3.1 million) at the end of this season and become a free agent. He said he hasn't made a decision yet but likes being with the Spurs. Robert Horry is a free agent and says he wants to play one more season and could stay with the Spurs or rejoin Shaquille O'Neal with Miami. Fabricio Oberto has a player option and Beno Udrih, replaced by Vaughn, is under a team option. Vaughn also will become a free agent.



Copyright © 2007, The Chicago Tribune

Is this true on beno, I thought he had one more year?

[Darkwaters]

The Spurs' Michael Finley can opt out of the final year of his contract ($3.1 million) at the end of this season and become a free agent. He said he hasn't made a decision yet but likes being with the Spurs. Robert Horry is a free agent and says he wants to play one more season and could stay with the Spurs or rejoin Shaquille O'Neal with Miami. Fabricio Oberto has a player option and Beno Udrih, replaced by Vaughn, is under a team option. Vaughn also will become a free agent.



Copyright © 2007, The Chicago Tribune

Is this true on beno, I thought he had one more year?


Beno did have a team option. But you have to pick it up like 1 or 2 years in advance of the season. So we picked it up months ago. Horry is NOT a free agent. He has one more year on his contract which is only partially guaranteed.

After the emotions that Finley displayed last night I wonder if Antonio McDyess was watching...?

[pad300]

Given some of the names being tossed around here, we might want to all take a good look at this article. Although not perfect, it does have some good points to consider:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2116

As far as my perfect offseason, we need to consider the signed roster next season :

Bigs - Duncan, Horry, Elson, Oberto, Butler
Have: 5, 1 Superstar (Duncan), 2 reliable (Elson, Oberto), 1 old as dirt (Horry), 1 journeyman who hasn't broken out yet (Butler)
Need: 6, 4 reliable or better

Wings - Manu, Bowen, Finley, Barry, White
Have: 5, 1 Star (Manu), 1 Reliable (Finley), 2 Old as Dirt (Bruce, Barry), 1 Journeyman who hasn't broken out yet (White)
Need: 6, 4 reliable or better

PGs - Tony, Beno
Have: 2 1 Star (Tony), 1 Crap who might get it together for another team(Beno)
Need: 3, At least 2 reliable or better

Draft/Signing/Trade:

Sign and trade Udrih for James Singleton (Clippers) on an extended contract. Singleton is currently earning $770610 in 07-08 on a team option. Do a sign and Trade of Udrih (earning 1,747,096 in 07-08). To make this work, Singleton gets a raise to $1.3 million, with a 2nd year as a team option, with no percentage increase.

+1 Wing, -1 PG

Trade Scola and #28 for #17 (Nets) and draft McRoberts

+1 Big

Re-Sign Jaques Vaughn (he was acceptable this year)

+1 PG

Pick #33 Draft Koponen/Pruitt/Dowdell (Whoever is available, in that order)

+1 PG/SG

Pick #58 Draft best available Euro Project/Sun Yue. NOTE we will not have roster space for this player, unless we make a 2 for 1 trade. He will have to stay in Europe or move to europe or we will lose his rights. The alternative is to trade this pick...

Projected Roster
Bigs - Duncan, Elson, Oberto, Horry, Butler, McRoberts
Wings - Manu, Finley, Bowen, Barry, White, Singleton
PGs - Parker, Vaughn, Koponen (by choice)

[Darkwaters]

Ummm, thats a horrible plan. James Singleton? Really? Thats almost depressing. What about our MLE money? And why hold onto an expensive expiring contract (Barry) when you could use him to leverage a guy like Nocioni away?

[Mr. Body]

I'm not big on James Singleton, but for one year, and instead of Beno Udrih, it's not that bad.

I'd like the Spurs to somehow take a gander at Alonzo Mourning and Antonio McDyess. They both have opt-out provisions, I believe, but there are restrictions to talking to them. Mourning isn't as important now that Oberto has turned it on, but I'd freaking love to have McDyess. Him alone would make my off-season.

Resolving the Scola sutation is key. My feeling is we'll have +1 Argentinian on the squad, either him or Nocioni, although trading up in the draft would be fine. I simply don't see who'd be available in the late teens who'd be that attractive to burn him up, though.

[Darkwaters]

Singleton is a PF and undersized at at that. I don't see how he plays into our plans or needs.

I was thinking about Zo the other day. I would love to grab him up. But McDyess would probably be the better pickup if we could only get one. I'm dreaming of some of our frontcourt rotations next season:

Duncan/McDyess/Horry
Oberto/Butler/Elson

And then if we grab Nocioni we could have another "PF" to boot.

[Mr. Body]

McDyess would be incredible. He's still a great bench player, but at the same time it's always good to have that insatiably hungry guy on the squad who wants a championship more than anything.

I'll call it now: we get McDyess and Nocioni.

We don't lose a game after the All-Star break.

[AFBlue]

I think two things have muddied the waters a bit in the past couple months....

1. Horry saying he'll be back for one more. I think this spells disaster for Matt Bonner, who likely won't be re-signed because of lack of roster space and who didn't enhance his market value because of lack of on-court time. But it also puts the Scola situation in flux, because the Spurs are clearly running short of roster spots and if they truly want to bring him over this upcoming year, every spot counts...

2. Oberto's playoff run. He seemed to really jell with the starters and the Spurs are in love with his attitude and BBIQ. Problem is, alot of other teams would value those qualities as well, and for a competitive price. If Oberto opts out, it seems readily apparent that the Spurs SHOULD go for Scola as the replacement, but they might just throw their lot in with Oberto and try to deal Scola.

Bottom Line: Alot of what the Spurs do, both with the decision to sign Scola and the decision of who to draft will depend alot on those two players.

[Marcus Bryant]

McDyess would be incredible. He's still a great bench player, but at the same time it's always good to have that insatiably hungry guy on the squad who wants a championship more than anything.

I'll call it now: we get McDyess and Nocioni.

We don't lose a game after the All-Star break.


I can definitely see McDyess opting out this summer. Too much uncertainty in Detroit. The problem is, will coming off a championship make it harder to recruit former star free agents (of course, McDyess did join the Pistons after their last title)? You don't become an elite player in this league without some kind of ego. Would you rather be known as the guy who took a team to the next level versus someone who just joined the champs? Then again, perhaps earlier this season there was definitely the perception that the Spurs were starting to fade from being a serious contender.

[Darkwaters]

McDyess would be incredible. He's still a great bench player, but at the same time it's always good to have that insatiably hungry guy on the squad who wants a championship more than anything.

I'll call it now: we get McDyess and Nocioni.

We don't lose a game after the All-Star break.

Damn...imagine this squad next season....

Parker/Papaloukas/Vaughn
Ginobili/Finley/White
Nocioni/Bowen/Dudley
Duncan/McDyess/Horry
Oberto/Butler/Elson

(Plus we get the rights to Rudy Fernandez and Sun Yue)

An offseason like this is not unreasonable and yet it shores up all of our current needs and stores some away for the future. Papaloukas is far advanced from Beno's abilities and Nocioni gives us that long, strong tough defender that can also play the small ball 4. Dudley is an added bonus as he will fit perfectly playing Spurs ball and could find a similar niche to Nocioni. McDyess shores up the front line and gives them that "hungry" guy to drive us forward (as you said). This team would be absolutely dynamic and would have a good shot at repeating.

...plus in a year whenever Bowen and Finley leave you have Rudy Fernandez waiting to step in. Not to mention Mahinmi.

[Mr. Body]

1. Horry does 'muck' things up a little, since we all thought he was basically retiring. (Funny we made that decision for him.) Golden State might have extended his career by a season. I agree that Bonner could be on the outs.

Ely is gone, so there's at least one spot. I feel they'll try hard to package up two-for-one and finally say goodbye to Barry and Udrih.

2. I don't see any way Oberto goes elsewhere, even for a bit more money, unless a team is crazy enough to throw way too much money at him for too many years. But I don't see him voluntarily opting out - this situation is perfect for him, one of his buddies is here, and he has the starting spot on a smart, experienced, championship team.

... So we're down to essentially one spot. Three draft picks... I've said for a while that I saw two new rookies coming in, but that's not abundantly clear anymore. The Spurs do need to make a couple moves to compete better against Dallas and get more flexible and young, but it's not clear what yet.

[Marcus Bryant]

First things first, hope Oberto doesn't opt out.

[AFBlue]

First things first, hope Oberto doesn't opt out.

I like Oberto and all, but if he does opt out to sign elsewhere (like Body, I think he stays), at least the Spurs have a backup plan in Scola.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe he opts out to get a new contract while his value is high. Frankly he wouldn't be getting good advice if someone told him not to. More $ committed to today for the current team makes it less likely they will be willing to spend $ on new acquisitions.

[Mr. Body]

I can see Chicago interested in Oberto. Not sure who else (who he'd return interest).

[Darkwaters]

I can see Chicago interested in Oberto. Not sure who else (who he'd return interest).

I believe Memphis had some interest in him. I'm not sure if he knows Gasol...but that might be intriguing to him if he does. Of course, Memphis is NOT San Antonio. And the guy is getting a good rep around SA as a fan favorite. Why ruin it? Besides, with Manu and maybe Scola around town San Antonio just seems too desirable.

[AFBlue]

Here's my point in bringing up the recent developments....

I'm not so much concerned about filling out the 15-man roster as I am about who will get the opportunity to get on the court...because both Horry and Oberto are "rotation" roster guys. That leaves me wondering about Jackie Butler's opportunity to take some minutes in his second year. Then add the possibility of bringing in Luis Scola, who I seriously doubt will be okay with riding the pine, and I don't see how it all meshes together....even with Bonner and Ely being let go, who dresses out and who loses minutes?

Side note: I also see this occuring with White again as Barry, Bowen, Finley, and Manu should all be back.

Bottom Line: It'll be interesting to see how the Spurs handle this roster crunch, and more importantly how they handle the rotation crunch.

Personally, I'd like to see Butler get the chance to overtake Elson on the depth chart...

[AFBlue]

I believe Memphis had some interest in him. I'm not sure if he knows Gasol...but that might be intriguing to him if he does. Of course, Memphis is NOT San Antonio. And the guy is getting a good rep around SA as a fan favorite. Why ruin it? Besides, with Manu and maybe Scola around town San Antonio just seems too desirable.

Correction: Jerry West had interest in him, and he's on the outs in Memphis. But, I'm sure there will be interest in him regardless.

[Marcus Bryant]

Phoenix would be a nice fit for him. The Suns weaken the Spurs with such a move. The window for them with Nash is closing. One would think that the fans in the desert would be a little more skeptical these days about their postseason moves and looking for a little more deftness instead of just another athlete to run along with Nash and crew.

[wildbill2u]

I can definitely see McDyess opting out this summer. Too much uncertainty in Detroit. The problem is, will coming off a championship make it harder to recruit former star free agents (of course, McDyess did join the Pistons after their last title)? You don't become an elite player in this league without some kind of ego. Would you rather be known as the guy who took a team to the next level versus someone who just joined the champs? Then again, perhaps earlier this season there was definitely the perception that the Spurs were starting to fade from being a serious contender.
On the other hand, you'd have the example of Finley to look at. He joined the team and came off the bench behind another premier player until the team decided that they'd work better with Manu off the bench and Finley starting.

If I'm a great or good veteran I'd like that opportunity with a team that has no preconceived notions except what's the best way to win a championship.

[AFBlue]

I can see Chicago interested in Oberto. Not sure who else (who he'd return interest).

San Antonio or Europe really seem to be the best fits, though I agree that Chicago could be a probable destination...especially if Chapu is re-signed.

[AFBlue]

Phoenix would be a nice fit for him. The Suns weaken the Spurs with such a move. The window for them with Nash is closing. One would think that the fans in the desert would be a little more skeptical these days about their postseason moves and looking for a little more deftness instead of just another athlete to run along with Nash and crew.

As unathletic as Oberto is, and as minescule as their rotation is, I doubt he goes there.

Someone mentioned Antonio McDyess leaving Detriot, and the more I thought about it, the more I thought of them as a destination for Oberto or even Scola. Granted, I would hate to make a team as good as Detriot stronger, but if the Spurs could get a guy like Amir Johnson back in the trade, I think it might be well worth it...

[yavozerb]

I had a dream of our 2007-2008 San Antonio Spurs:

TP,Green, Vaughn
Manu,Finley,Belinelli
Bowen,Nocioni, White
TD,Horry,Mahinmi
Oberto,Elson,Butler

[A.H 21-50]

i agree with darkwaters

this scenario could be good

28: Fernandez or Belinelli
33: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Fazekas or Dowdell or Tucker
58: DJ Strawberry (if we don't take Dudley, Byars, Almond, or Tucker) or Yue or Random as of yet unnamed Euro

a big and a wing player seems to be a good option

[K-State Spur]

I may prove to be quite wrong, but I highly doubt that we bring Mahinmi over next season. There's little evidence that he's even ready for the SJax plan yet.

[fuckespn]

Who else thinks James White is next year's Stephen Jackson?

[K-State Spur]

i agree with darkwaters

this scenario could be good

28: Fernandez or Belinelli
33: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Fazekas or Dowdell or Tucker
58: DJ Strawberry (if we don't take Dudley, Byars, Almond, or Tucker) or Yue or Random as of yet unnamed Euro

a big and a wing player seems to be a good option

The problem with that is that those are all guys who would likely need to be on the roster next year, unless we just cut the second round picks - in which case they are wasted..

I don't think there's a chance will draft three new players for next season's roster. They'll either package 1 or 2 of them in a trade for a player or to move up and/or use one on a draft and stash player.