Spurs' future draft picks

[AFBlue]

On Pruitt, ESPN has him going #20 in the mid-first round. I'm not saying they're right, but the obvious disparity between that prediction and the DX/Draft.net predictions is noticeable. Which one is right, or are all three wrong?

Here's my point...if the Spurs have a chance to take Pruitt at 28 are they doing it, even if Koponen is there? IMO, this would be a mistake. It seems as if backup PG is one of the only positions that the Spurs have legitimate questions about and if they have an opportunity to address that need immediately with a guy like Pruitt, I think it would be best.

[Darkwaters]

Here's my point...if the Spurs have a chance to take Pruitt at 28 are they doing it, even if Koponen is there? IMO, this would be a mistake. It seems as if backup PG is one of the only positions that the Spurs have legitimate questions about and if they have an opportunity to address that need immediately with a guy like Pruitt, I think it would be best.

But do the Spurs think that Pruitt is the answer? If they don't like his play then he won't get PT and will be a waste of a pick. I agree that he should probably be taken if hes there...assuming that the team is as high on him as we are.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs may simply not like how Pruitt's worked out, which is fine, but if they select Koponen over him just because he's foreign and can stay and develop, I'll do this:

:pctoss

[AFBlue]

But do the Spurs think that Pruitt is the answer? If they don't like his play then he won't get PT and will be a waste of a pick. I agree that he should probably be taken if hes there...assuming that the team is as high on him as we are.

Granted the rumors around draft time are often baseless hearsay, but at least two media outlets reported that the Spurs gave a promise to Pruitt at either #28 or #33. He is also one of the few PG prospects we mentioned that has reportedly worked out for the team.

I would think, and hope, there is definite interest.

[picnroll]

Suns notebook: USC’s Pruitt, Finnish guard to get 2nd looks
Mike Tulumello, Tribune
The Suns probably will invite Gabe Pruitt and Finland’s Petteri Koponen, among others, for second looks in preparation for next week’s NBA draft.

“Gabe Pruitt is someone who worked out well his first day,” Suns vice president David Griffin said of the USC point guard. Of Koponen, another point guard prospect, Griffin said, “He was really, really good here.”

The Suns may put together one more group of first-time prospects, but mostly they’re starting to zero in on players for second tryouts, he said.

“We like the guys we’ve had in quite a bit,” Griffin said. “And this is a really deep draft.”

The club has yet to decide whether they will try to package their Nos. 24 and 29 picks to move up in the draft.

[Darkwaters]

Granted the rumors around draft time are often baseless hearsay, but at least two media outlets reported that the Spurs gave a promise to Pruitt at either #28 or #33. He is also one of the few PG prospects we mentioned that has reportedly worked out for the team.

I would think, and hope, there is definite interest.

I was under the assumption that Pruitt had not shut down his workouts though. That indicates to me that no promise has been made to him.

Pruitt isn't my number 1 choice, but hes definitely one of the better possible selections at 28 and I wouldn't cry a second if we hear his name on draft night. But I want the Spurs to really want the guy and play him if they're going to draft him. I don't want him riding the bench and not playing. If thats what is going to happen then I hope they just take Koponen instead.

[mountainballer]

I was under the assumption that Pruitt had not shut down his workouts though. That indicates to me that no promise has been made to him.

well, if I'm a player and I get a promise to be picked at 33 (or also at 28), I also wouldn't stop to try to work myself up the board.

[Darkwaters]

well, if I'm a player and I get a promise to be picked at 33 (or also at 28), I also wouldn't stop to try to work myself up the board.

Generally that is the stipulation of the promise though.

Nobody gives something unless they will get something in return. For a player like Koponen or Belinelli that something they give in return would be staying in the draft. For the player like Pruitt that is committed already the only thing he has to offer in return for a promise is that he will shut down workouts.

In essence, its a give and take. The player locks in where he will be taken. He no longer has to fear of sliding on draft day, but he also gives up the ability to rise up the draft boards.

[picnroll]

My take. Koponene has gotten guarantee of a first round pick. If he's going back to the Suns for a second look that means he's trying to work his way up higher than the guarantee. Suns have 24 and 29. Philadelphia has 30. Is Phillythe guarantee for 30 he's trying to move up from or is it somebody between 24 and 30?

[Mr. Body]

So the Spurs have promised to both Koponen AND Pruitt?

:hungry:

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For general reference, hoopsanalyst is starting his annual prospects review - starting with centers : http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew10.htm

This guy is usually a reasonable talent evaluator, and offers some useful insights...

[AFBlue]

Generally that is the stipulation of the promise though.

Nobody gives something unless they will get something in return. For a player like Koponen or Belinelli that something they give in return would be staying in the draft. For the player like Pruitt that is committed already the only thing he has to offer in return for a promise is that he will shut down workouts.

In essence, its a give and take. The player locks in where he will be taken. He no longer has to fear of sliding on draft day, but he also gives up the ability to rise up the draft boards.

Perhaps the Spurs didn't issue a "promise" per say, but did let him know that they liked him enough to select him in the first round if he happened to slide to them...essentially making him confident that he wouldn't slide out of the first.

But Pruitt has heard his name all over the mid-late first round and I'm sure he is just exploring the opportunity of being drafted higher with the comfort that he doesn't slide. Maybe it wasn't a promise...more of a "we like you enough to take you at #28 or #33".

See it's different from a guy like Wilson Chandler, who has reportedly received a promise from the Knicks @ #23. Chandler wasn't mentioned as going any higher than that pick, so it was an easy decision to shut down workouts as a sign of good will to the team that will supposedly be drafting him.

If Pruitt did indeed get a promise from the Spurs, he might have hurt his good will with the team by continuing workouts, but he can be more confident as he has a good chance to go before the Spurs pick at #28.

We'll see...it should be interesting.

[AFBlue]

Pruitt isn't my number 1 choice, but hes definitely one of the better possible selections at 28 and I wouldn't cry a second if we hear his name on draft night. But I want the Spurs to really want the guy and play him if they're going to draft him. I don't want him riding the bench and not playing. If thats what is going to happen then I hope they just take Koponen instead.

If the Spurs do indeed draft Pruitt, I think it will be a clear sign that a) they like him, and b) they have enough confidence in him to join the team right away and be a contributor (which also means Beno is history).

Conversely, if the Spurs are okay with re-signing Vaughn (or veteran FA) to back up Tony and keeping Beno as a third-string guy, I think you'll see them go for Koponen.

Either way, I'm not sure they lose....

[ThomasGranger]

For general reference, hoopsanalyst is starting his annual prospects review - starting with centers : http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew10.htm

This guy is usually a reasonable talent evaluator, and offers some useful insights...

Thanks for the link. After skimming through it, I'm hoping that the Spurs try to nab Stanko if available in the late second round.

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Thanks for the link. After skimming through it, I'm hoping that the Spurs try to nab Stanko if available in the late second round.

Agreed, at 58, any man named Stanko cannot be bad...

The other interesting guy is Fesenko. Both he and Stanko have entered earlier than neccesary. I think they have promises from someone, but maybe not in the 1st round. I would be happy with Fesenko at #33 or Stanko at #58.

[MarCowMar]

I don't understand the motivation of accepting a promise from a players point of view. If a team offers you a promise, you know they want you at that pick and that they fear a higher-positioned team taking you. I think if a team offered me a promise the first thing I'd do is try to schedule workouts with the next 5 teams drafting before them.

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand the motivation of accepting a promise from a players point of view. If a team offers you a promise, you know they want you at that pick and that they fear a higher-positioned team taking you. I think if a team offered me a promise the first thing I'd do is try to schedule workouts with the next 5 teams drafting before them.

Promises are usually for guys earlier than where they'd normally be taken, like Shelden Williams at #5 last year. A special case was our promise to Mahinmi, who wouldn't have come out that year otherwise. I'm not totally clear on the wisdom of it - you'd think a team wants to keep its options open instead of locking themselves into a position. There have been cases of a promised player not being picked - I think Boobie was promised last year by the Cavs, then was picked anyway by them in the second round.

[AFBlue]

Agreed, at 58, any man named Stanko cannot be bad...

The other interesting guy is Fesenko. Both he and Stanko have entered earlier than neccesary. I think they have promises from someone, but maybe not in the 1st round. I would be happy with Fesenko at #33 or Stanko at #58.




Likewise, it appears that Barac got a promise that enticed him to stay. Several teams drafting late in the first round, such as the the Pistons and the Spurs, have been intrigued by him. Dallas also likes him and holds the 34th pick.


This tidbit was referenced a couple pages back about Stanko staying in the draft. It appears that Detriot (#27), SA (#28, 33) and Mavs (#34) all have indicated interest.

This guy might be a reach at #27, but the Pistons were looking at a "big" in Hardin before he pulled out, and this guy is compared to Memo Okur, who played well for them and who I'm sure they regretted losing (though his $50M salary was a BIT too much).

My point is...it looks like there's interest for him at bottom of 1st and top of 2nd round. I'm not sure he stayed in because he was assured that he'd be taken at the bottom of the second round...so I doubt he's there at #58.

[Marcus Bryant]

So the Spurs have promised to both Koponen AND Pruitt?

:hungry:

The Spurs have a Fin, they don't need a Finn.

[MoSpur]

Hasn't Carl Landry worked out for the Spurs?

[Mr. Body]

Hasn't Carl Landry worked out for the Spurs?

Yes.

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This tidbit was referenced a couple pages back about Stanko staying in the draft. It appears that Detriot (#27), SA (#28, 33) and Mavs (#34) all have indicated interest.

This guy might be a reach at #27, but the Pistons were looking at a "big" in Hardin before he pulled out, and this guy is compared to Memo Okur, who played well for them and who I'm sure they regretted losing (though his $50M salary was a BIT too much).

My point is...it looks like there's interest for him at bottom of 1st and top of 2nd round. I'm not sure he stayed in because he was assured that he'd be taken at the bottom of the second round...so I doubt he's there at #58.

True enough, but all I'm saying is that while I wouldn't spend #33 for just the name, I would spend #58 solely for having a player called STANKO!

[MoSpur]

I like Landry, but do the Spurs need a guy that plays his position? I know its just a work out, but...

[AFBlue]

Put some STANK-On it! :lol

Dude would have to shorten his name to "Stan" just to live a normal life in the States...

[ThomasGranger]

I just hope the Spurs don't become so intrigued with one of these bigs that they use up one of their first two picks to get him. They already have lots of options for the front court, especially if they bring over Ian and/or Scola. Plus, they need youth in the back court and wings, not the 4 and 5.

[AFBlue]

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[AFBlue]

Below is Chad Ford's latest regarding workouts and buzz for draft prospects.

Of specific note...

Shaun Williams climbing the draft boards with the Amare comparison and realization that some GMs don't put as much weight on character concerns (i.e. Villanueva going #7 to Raps two years ago).

Big Baby Davis climbing the draft boards as a svelt 6'9 290lb F/C ( :lol ) with soft touch.

And finally...the positive feedback on Dudley and Afflalo being solid role players and proving their worth. Of specific note is that Afflalo came in at 6'6 225lb ( :wow ) with a 6'9 wingspan. One conflicting note is that it didn't have him working out for the Spurs...I will investigate further.

Read below for more detail....

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2909898&name=ford_chad


Teams that have visited Houston during the past few weeks to take a look at Boston College center Sean Williams are coming back with a positive impression.

Williams has decided not to travel to teams and instead to hold his workouts in Houston -- kind of like Yi Jianlian in Los Angeles.

Several NBA executives came away from the workouts saying that Williams reminded them a little of Amare Stoudemire.

"He's pretty raw offensively," one executive said. "But he's got a great body, is super-athletic, and he's the best shot-blocker in the draft. At what point does the reward outweigh the risk? That's what we're all trying to figure out. But on talent, he's a top-10 pick. Maybe higher."

According to one executive who personally interviewed Williams, the player was candid about his dismissal from the Boston College team for smoking marijuana.

"He said he was immature and he understood why teams had doubts about him," the executive said. "But the thing that struck me was that he said the experience of watching his team struggle without him made him realize that it was a mistake that can't happen again."

We've been talking about Williams' range starting at No. 17 with the Nets (who desperately need a player like him) and ending in the late first round. But maybe we're being naive. A significant number of players in the NBA smoke marijuana. Most NBA executives don't believe it's a serious issue. Given Williams' talent, they may be willing to take the PR hit now to have a significant contributor down the road.

• Glen "Big Baby" Davis continues to be a hot name in the draft.

Davis has measured a legit 6-foot-9 in shoes, and though he weighs in at around 290, he has only about 11 percent body fat.

"I know this sounds really weird to say about a kid this big, but he's light on his feet," one GM told me. "And he can really shoot the basketball. From a skills standpoint, I think he's one of the three or four best big guys in the draft."

The question is obvious: Will Davis stay in shape after he gets a big deal? His agent, John Hamilton, says that everyone Davis has interviewed with has asked him the same question at every workout. His response, according to Hamilton: "I just was uneducated. I didn't understand how to eat properly."

Hamilton sent me a DVD of Davis' workouts in Houston with John Lucas. He looks to be in good shape, is moving well and is very skilled. He could be a real draft sleeper.

Davis has worked out for the 76ers, Nets, Bulls, Wolves, Rockets, Sonics and Wizards. He'll be in Golden State on Wednesday.

• At this time of the year, potential often trumps production. So it's nice when a few college basketball staples hold their own in individual workouts.

Boston College's Jared Dudley and UCLA's Arron Afflalo are drawing praise in individual workouts.

Sources say Dudley has been red-hot shooting the ball in workouts. He's worked out for the Rockets, Nets, Knicks, Heat, Sixers, Bulls, Bobcats, Sonics and Suns. He could end up a sleeper for a team like the Sixers, Bobcats or Suns in the late 20s.

Afflalo also has done well in workouts. He measured 6-foot-6 in socks, had a 6-foot-9 wingspan and is a muscular 225.

"He's was a man among boys in our workout," one GM told Insider. "He's been really well-coached, shoots it well and does a lot of little things. You don't draft him to be a star, but he can fill a role for you defensively and he'll hit some big shots."

Afflalo worked out for about a dozen teams in the Rockets' workouts in Orlando. He's also done individual workouts with the Lakers, Suns, Sixers and Jazz. He could go late in the first: No. 25 to Utah, No. 29 to the Suns or No. 30 to the Jazz.

[MoSpur]

any chance at that Thaddeus Young falls to the Spurs?

[jonson]

I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.

[AFBlue]

I just hope the Spurs don't become so intrigued with one of these bigs that they use up one of their first two picks to get him. They already have lots of options for the front court, especially if they bring over Ian and/or Scola. Plus, they need youth in the back court and wings, not the 4 and 5.

While I tend to agree that the Spurs have bigger needs, I'll say this...

1. Most GMs will tell you that you can never have too many bigs.

2. None of the current F/C fodder with the Spurs or overseas are guaranteed to be "that guy" next to Tim Duncan in the next few years, so it doesn't hurt to have options.

3. It's not even a guarantee that any of these guys pans out because of their youth, being picked mostly on projectable skills. Mahinmi could be Amare Stoudamire, or he could be in the league for 3 seasons as a d-leaguer and play in Europe for the rest of his life.


Again, while I agree with you in principle because the Spurs already have a bunch of prospects at the 4/5, I can see why the Spurs would grab a guy like Fesenko or Stanko with the 33rd pick...especially if they address their backcourt with the first pick.

Or it could be Koponen/Belinelli/Fernandez at #28 and a guy like Dudley or Afflalo at #33. My guess though, is that at least one of the two picks is international with the intention of staying overseas for a year.

[AFBlue]

any chance at that Thaddeus Young falls to the Spurs?

After his workouts...not likely. He didn't play in a great system at GTech and didn't get to display his outside shooting. He's still a project for sure, and a tweener as well...but he showed great athleticism and shooting touch in the workouts. He has enough upside that I doubt he gets past 20...

[AFBlue]

I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.

So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...

[ChumpDumper]

Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?

[Mr. Body]

Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: attitude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?

[AFBlue]

Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?

Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.

[jonson]

So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...

No, I haven't seen Koponen, but--based on the evaluations that I have seen--he has several things going for him that are lacking in Pruitt: 1) he's a true point guard (P. is not, or not one yet); 2) he's evidently smart and a quick learner with a high basketball IQ; 3) he works hard; 4) he's tough. My point about Pruitt is that he's sold his talents short--or, to put it another way, that he's been an underachiever. He's had his moments, but there should have been a lot more of them, and I personally don't think that bodes well for the future. Maybe P's attitude/work ethic will change, and--if so--then he would be a very good pick. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[AFBlue]

Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: attitude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?

Again, I don't want to suggest that Koponen is an Udrih-clone. I'm simply suggesting that it would be my preference for the Spurs to draft more of a known quantity over a player who has come out of relative obscurity to being a first-round type in less than a month if given the choice between the two....but that's just my preference.

But, as I've said many times before, I think there are a ton of great players that the Spurs could take with the 28th and 33rd pick that I would be more than happy with...if not exstatic. It should be fun to watch it unfold...

[ChumpDumper]

Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.Eh, they had a videotape and two workouts for Parker. They'll probably have something similar for Kopponen by next week.

With this draft, I'll be happy if we just refrain from trading away our picks.

[Darkwaters]

Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.

Nobody knew about Mahinmi either.

The fact is that we all know about Pruitt because hes a kid that played at USC. Thats a whole lot more visual than the Honka Playboys ( :lol ). Honestly, I don't know about you, but I spend a good amount of time watching college basketball when its on (and its on a lot). Yet I've never seen any Finnish team just happen to be on ESPN. But just because the vast majority of us casual fans don't know them doesn't mean that the group of professional scouts from the Spurs camp aren't old friends with the guy.

[EvenFlow]

Of specific note is that Afflalo came in at 6'6 225lb with a 6'9 wingspan. One conflicting note is that it didn't have him working out for the Spurs...I will investigate further.

Wow, I like Afflalo even more than I did beforehand. Only thing better would be to hear that Alando Tucker is actually 6'6 and has a 7 ft. wingspan.

[Bruno]

Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.

[ChumpDumper]

Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.Oooo, if West likes him, we might want to avoid him.

[Mr. Body]

Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-25-80/Just-Pick-Me-Already--Zabian-Dowdell.html

[ThomasGranger]

Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-25-80/Just-Pick-Me-Already--Zabian-Dowdell.html

After reading this

"he has distinguished himself in NBA circles for his character."

and this

"he has amazing reach for a guy his size, his basketball IQ is very high, he works extremely hard, he's a dream to coach"

I can see why the Spurs would have him on their short list.

[Mr. Body]

I take away these things from the interview:

1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.

[coopdogg3]

Also seems like they want a combo guard as their back-up PG, instead of, say, a Taurean Green that can only play PG.

[EvenFlow]

^Which is the best way to go imo.

[Reggie Miller]

Any chance that the Spurs draft Carl Landry (Purdue, PF/SF)? He may still be around late in the 2nd round. From what I know of him, he should fit well into the Spurs system. He did a stellar job on defense in the NCAA Tournament against Florida. Landry is actually TALLER than listed; his height was never updated after junior college. He may be as tall as 6'9." He will probably still play SF in the NBA, though.

[EvenFlow]

I take away these things from the interview:

1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.

Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.

[Darkwaters]

Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.

That would be the goal.

[Darkwaters]

I didn't realize that Aaron Afflalo was so tall and long. I'm going to have to reconsider this now. But he might be a good pickup afterall. The knock on him was always that he "was probably shorter than listed" but at 6'6 with a 6'9 wingspan I'd say thats rather prototypical for the position.

I found a good article on him:


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2007/04/afflalo-300.jpg

After finishing my Raja Bell post yesterday, I started to think about what player in college reminded me most of Raja Bell. After initially struggling to find someone, it eventually became clear that Aaron Afflalo can be Raja Bell in the NBA. He's an undersized two guard who's made his name on defense and outside shooting. NBA scouts knock him for his lack of length and lack of athletic ability, believing that a long athletic defender can shut him down offensively. These days, scouts are using Afflalo's performance against the length of Corey Brewer as proof that he'll have trouble against those types of players in the NBA. I can't say that I disagree with them much on that front. But why is it that scouts are always looking for superstar player in the draft? And why is it they are always willing to waste a first-round pick on a seven footer with perceived potential? Sometimes, for a good team, adding a good role player that works hard, has a positive attitude, and is a proven winner is something that can be more valuable than a player that has all of the potential in the world. Aaron carries himself in a manner that I wished all star college athletes would (I even told his dad such when I met him at the NCAA tournament last year).


Afflalo hasn't announced he's coming out, but at this point, I can't see any reason for him to stay in college. Unless he grows two inches scouts are going to continue to say the same thing about him. Next years draft class has the potential to be just as deep as this one, so I don't think he'd go any higher next year than he would this summer.

I think the best thing Afflalo can do is hire an agent that is committed to marketing to him to teams the right way. He needs someone that is going to be honest with teams about his weaknesses but prop up his strengths. If Afflalo is able to market himself as a Raja Bell type, rather than a college star whose height and athleticism doesn't translate to the NBA, I think he'll have a chance of ending up in a better situation than he's currently projected.

A team like Phoenix, that is always open to role players that can defend and shoot the three would be foolish to pass on Afflalo. When Raja Bell goes to the bench, they could bring the young Afflalo in to spell him. As well, they will eventually need someone to replace Bell one day. Afflalo seems like the perfect candidate to me. If the Suns aren't open to it, there are a couple of other teams (see the Grizzlies, Nuggets, and Hornets) that are trying to emulate the Suns style. Aaron would be a good fit in any of those places.

Anyhow, good luck to Aaron. We need more good guys like him in the NBA.

With his combination of character, 3 point shooting, defensive mindset as well as a highly polished mid-range game, I think he would have an excellent role on the team.

[jesterbobman]

take away these things from the interview:

1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.

Agreed. Though with almond, belinelli and Rudy all moving up, it may be an option to pick up one of those guys, especially as Charlotte and Philly are apparently shopping their picks(22&21), where those guys would be likely to fall. Also if Acie Law fall, then I could see the Spurs moving up to there (by giving up say a 2008 1st and either 33 or 28) to get him, filling the backup point role(who happens to be a big point who can cover smaller SG's like Gordon). Both of these options are intrigueing, but only 1 will happen, as both is giving up a lot. I think we probably stay put though and draft a wingman and a point.

[itzsoweezee]

With his combination of character, 3 point shooting, defensive mindset as well as a highly polished mid-range game, I think he would have an excellent role on the team.

i would love afflalo on the spurs. afflalo or bellelini along w/ a backup point guard would be a great draft for the spurs.

[timvp]

I'd be happy with Lil' Z at 28. It might be a tad bit of a reach but he fits what the Spurs need. At 33, it'd be an even better pick.

Right now, the vibe I'm getting is the Spurs have promised the first round pick to some player. But I can't figure out who. To fit the mold of a promise, the player has to have shut down their workouts. That eliminates Kopo, Priutt, Dudley and a bunch of other players who are still making the rounds.

Does anyone know if Fesenko or Stanko have stopped working out? How about Belinelli or Fernandez?

From the beginning, I thought what the Spurs would do is pick a foreign draft 'n stash at 28, a domestic point guard at 33 and another draft 'n stash at 58.

[Darkwaters]

I think we probably stay put though and draft a wingman and a point.

Agreed. We really need a backup point right now though while we can likely do without an extra wing for at least a year. It really depends on Finley. If Mike decides to come back for the last year of his deal I think we draft a guy like Belinelli with our first and Dowdell with our second. If he decides to opt out and leave then I think we draft an NBA ready SG like Afflalo as well as the domestic PG and cut our losses through the draft.

...of course, if a guy like Rudy Fernandez or Derrick Byars slips then its likely this is all moot and we snatch them up and rethink the plan on the fly.

[timvp]

Afflalo measuring 6-foot-6 in socks sounds like BS to me. He was listed at 6-foot-5 in college but looked more like 6-foot-4. Unless he hit a growth spurt in the last couple weeks, that might just be a rumor being floated around by his agent. He didn't get measured in the pre-draft camp, which further makes me suspicious. If he were really 6-foot-6 in socks, he would have measured just to show off his height.

On top of that, he's a bit of a choker. He'd be decent at 33 for the Spurs but I wouldn't be doing any celebratory backflips or anything.

[timvp]

I'm hoping the Spurs didn't make a promise to someone like Stanko. That could blow up in their face if someone like Morris Almond drops into their laps but they are forced to pick Stanko.

[Darkwaters]

He'd be decent at 33 for the Spurs but I wouldn't be doing any celebratory backflips or anything.

Agreed, he would not be worthy of our first rounder. But I haven't even been advocating him at 33 before this. He looks like he might be a good guy to have if those numbers are correct. Otherwise, I'd rather roll the dice on somebody else.

[Darkwaters]

I'm hoping the Spurs didn't make a promise to someone like Stanko. That could blow up in their face if someone like Morris Almond drops into their laps but they are forced to pick Stanko.

Almond or Byars would be spectacular. I really have no interest in Stanko.

[timvp]

Agreed, he would not be worthy of our first rounder. But I haven't even been advocating him at 33 before this. He looks like he might be a good guy to have if those numbers are correct. Otherwise, I'd rather roll the dice on somebody else.

Yeah if Afflalo really is 6-foot-6 in socks, meaning 6-foot-7 NBA height, then yeah he's a good pick. But I doubt that's the case.

Who knows, though.

[timvp]

33 for a domestic point guard is looking quite nice. There's a decent chance that Dowdell or Pruitt will be on the board. And I know Tauren Green doesn't excite anybody but if Dowdell and Priutt are gone, he or maybe someone like Aaron Brooks wouldn't be horrible fall back options.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What will happen to Beno?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What will happen to Beno?
He will die!

[Marcus Bryant]

I think we are kidding ourselves that the Spurs will use their 1st rounder on a domestic player. The roster is stacked as it is.

[Bruno]

Does anyone know if Fesenko or Stanko have stopped working out? How about Belinelli or Fernandez?


Barac has worked out today for Mavs.
Fesenko worked out yesterday with Suns. He will work tomorrow with Hawks and the 25th with siwers.
Belinelli last known workout was two days ago with Wizards.
I have seen nothing about a workout with Fernandez. I don't even know if he is in the USA.

[wildbill2u]

NO MORE TWEENERS. They seldom work out.

We need a long 3 first of all to learn the system behind Bruce. Nothing less than 6'8" even if they have the wingspan of a 747.

We're fine right now at backup Sg. My God, we've got Finley/Gino or the reverse there.

[Bruno]

If you want to see a CIA move, Rudy Fernandez is the best candidate.

He has a 1.6M€ buyout and words in Spain is that he won't go in nba but that he will sign a three years cotnract with Barcelona.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I always hear that, but can someone explain to me what CIA means?

[Mr. Body]

Central Intelligence Agency

:)

j/k. Pop was CIA for some time specializing in USSR and Second World countries, mostly Eastern Bloc.

The Spurs are known to be intensely secretive about their plans and desires, hence 'CIA' and 'CIA Pop'.

[coopdogg3]

NO MORE TWEENERS. They seldom work out.

We need a long 3 first of all to learn the system behind Bruce. Nothing less than 6'8" even if they have the wingspan of a 747.

We're fine right now at backup Sg. My God, we've got Finley/Gino or the reverse there.


We're fine right now, sure, but what about 2008-2009? Barry is getting old, and could be trade bait. Finley is probably with the Spurs one more year, and that's it.

It makes sense to draft a SG, slowly bring them in for a year. And then hopefully they'll be ready next year to get serious minutes. Sure we have other positions of need - back-up PG and a SF, but a SG makes sense too. With this deep draft, we should have some decent picks at 28 and 33. If just one of them works out, then that will help.

[Mr. Body]

You can't really make a promise to Rudy Fernandez at #28, since he's slotted to go much earlier than that (#19 or so). If a higher caliber player slides, you grab him, but when you make a promise, it's to a player slated just behind your pick or in the vicinity. So far none of the usual suspects have stopped work-outs. Obviously the red flag was raised for Anselmli or whatever the Brazilian dude's name is - it has the hallmark of the Mahinmi move all over it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Central Intelligence Agency

:)

j/k. Pop was CIA for some time specializing in USSR and Second World countries, mostly Eastern Bloc.

The Spurs are known to be intensely secretive about their plans and desires, hence 'CIA' and 'CIA Pop'.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh. Mkay thanks.

[Bruno]

A promise isn't the only CIA move available.

A scenario could be that Fernandez really want to play for Spurs and try to decrease his draft stock to be available at 28.

There are a spanish article that say that Ferandez is way closer to Barcelona than to a nba team and if isn't a lottery pick, he will sign a three years contract with a 900k€ salary per year with Barcelona. I don't know how legit it is but it will scare me if I were a nba GM. You can always imagine that it's BS and that Spurs are the only team to know it because Fernandez want to play for them.

[Marcus Bryant]

Likely the Spurs trade the pick, use #33 on a decent domestic player with the potential to be a bench player, and use #58 on someone destined to play in Europe for the next 3 to 5 seasons.

[Marcus Bryant]

A promise isn't the only CIA move available.

A scenario could be that Fernandez really want to play for Spurs and try to decrease his draft stock to be available at 28.

There are a spanish article that say that Ferandez is way closer to Barcelona than to a nba team and if isn't a lottery pick, he will sign a three years contract with a 900k€ salary per year with Barcelona. I don't know how legit it is but it will scare me if I were a nba GM. You can always imagine that it's BS and that Spurs are the only team to know it because Fernandez want to play for them.

Works for me.

[Gros Membres!]

Likely the Spurs trade the pick, use #33 on a decent domestic player with the potential to be a bench player, and use #58 on someone destined to play in Europe for the next 3 to 5 seasons.
I am with you here, Marcus. We are stuck with the team we have unless Beno gets traded for a future first. I think it would be smarter to send Beno to LA rather than Cleveland as that team could go into serious re-build by the end of the summer.

Also, as I scrolled through the months of draft talk, I saw starting about two months ago a real push for a backup-PG (Mr. Body, I'm calling you out). I really don't know what you guys want out of the backup PG position - a superstar backup PG? Really? I think in the Spurs system, you want a backup-PG to manage the game, play great D, and just not turn the ball over. Granted, Vaughn made his share of mistakes but I found his presence to be altogether positive and I think he showed some guts in the playoffs knocking down some big jumpers to seal the Phoenix series and hustling after some loose balls. You think some rookie is going to do that? I sure don't. We have a PG coming off an Finals MVP season and the current formula, call me crazy, seems to have worked.

The wings are what bother me more. Fernandez won't be there. Period. Afflalo won't either. I think we are stuck with Barry, Finley, Bowen at our 2 and 3 due to contracts, age, loyalty. I see this draft playing out as one last attempt at a stash in Europe before we have to start seriously re-tooling.

Also, just for my information - how many roster spots will we have open before the draft? I count 1.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs should watch out if they're helping spread false information. That gets close to tampering.

That said, as a strategy it might not work anyway - perhaps Fernandez keeps sliding past teams like Phoenix, but it's not a given. All this is moot if the Spurs have a deal in place to leap forward in the draft.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm not sure why so many believe the Spurs will take a domestic player at #28. Perhaps wishful thinking (which I am guilty of as well). But the Spurs have a roster that's rather stacked for next season, assuming they don't lose any rotational players in free agency. In addition they have guys like White and Butler who are de facto draft picks. Plus there are rumblings that they will bring Mahinmi in this summer and let him play in Austin next season. Beyond that, the Spurs' window to win championships is now through roughly 2010 or 2011. They are going to field the team that has the best shot at winning now with TD, not tomorrow.

Punting on #28 makes perfect sense for a team that has flirted with the luxury tax (no matter how much management and coaches want to kiss ass, the Spurs have clearly tried to avoid the lux tax over the last 5 years, likely due to Holt's wishes). The Spurs can get a similar talent at #33 at a far lesser price (using a 3 year, nonguaranteed deal with a minimal commitment ala Sato) than at #28. With Ely likely to leave and perhaps Beno and/or Barry leaving there will be a spot for one guy out of the draft and that will probably be whoever they pick up at #33. Of course, #58 will be used on someone who is destined to start (or continue) their career in Europe.

Anyways, no matter how much we wish the Spurs will use their picks on the here and now, the history of Spurs drafts speaks otherwise. They have indeed missed out on talent by not using their picks over the last 5 years, but they have also won 3 titles during that time.

[Mr. Body]

All the talk of promises leads to another thought that might be generally accepted:

The Spurs are looking for their back-up point with the #33 pick and are ranking them at the moment, whereby they'll select the first of whomever is left.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sure, if a Fernandez or Belinelli is available they will take him at #28. They may also take an unknown younger player. But in any event that player is destined to play abroad for some time. Otherwise, I expect them to deal the pick.

[Gros Membres!]

I say we shop our 28th and Beno to LA for conditional 1st round pick (LA keeps it if it's in the top 5) in '08 or '09.

[jesterbobman]

NO MORE TWEENERS. They seldom work out.

We need a long 3 first of all to learn the system behind Bruce. Nothing less than 6'8" even if they have the wingspan of a 747.

We're fine right now at backup Sg. My God, we've got Finley/Gino or the reverse there.

We don't necesarily have to get that SF in the draft. There are plaenty of guys available in freeagency (Pietrus and Ime Udoka come to mind). There is much better value at SG at the end of the 1st(Almond, Byars, Fernandez, Belinelli) than at SF. Kevin Pritchard has said in the past that he learned from the Spurs to take the best player available, so I see the Spurs doing that. Of course, CIA Pop could have persuaded Ricky Rubio to change his name and edit his birth certificate to pick him up a few years early.

[Steve-O-Matic]

I say we shop our 28th and Beno to LA for conditional 1st round pick (LA keeps it if it's in the top 5) in '08 or '09.

Great idea. Too bad the Lakers would have absolutely ZERO interest in trading a potential lottery pick next year for two spares.

[itzsoweezee]

We're fine right now, sure, but what about 2008-2009? Barry is getting old, and could be trade bait. Finley is probably with the Spurs one more year, and that's it.

It makes sense to draft a SG, slowly bring them in for a year. And then hopefully they'll be ready next year to get serious minutes. Sure we have other positions of need - back-up PG and a SF, but a SG makes sense too. With this deep draft, we should have some decent picks at 28 and 33. If just one of them works out, then that will help.

couldn't agree with you more. relying on geezers like barry and finley is not going to cut it for much longer.

[AFBlue]

couldn't agree with you more. relying on geezers like barry and finley is not going to cut it for much longer.

Fin and Barry are only under contract for one more year, so the Spurs won't have to rely on them for much longer. I also think this is why the Spurs are opting to look at bigger PGs who are likely to share some time at SG if a guy like Barry is traded away. I think both Pruitt and Dowdell are legitimate options for the draft to come in right away and see if they can wrestle the backup job from Jacque and/or prove they deserve enough minutes to make Barry expendable.

[Darkwaters]

We can talk all day long about who we should draft here or there but frankly, too many things are up in the air at the moment to truly know what will happen. Here are some of the questions that the Spurs organization is struggling with answering right now. Once we get an idea of what their thought process is we'll get a better idea of what happens:

A) Will Fabricio Oberto pick up his option?

This is very likely the principle question on their minds right now (assuming Fabs hasn't made his intentions known to them already). If he opts out then it could either cut into our available cap room or leave us with a void to fill in our starting lineup. Honestly, I think he stays. But then again, I've only met the guy once and we weren't exactly talking about his long-term goals in life either.


B) Will Michael Finley pick up his option?

Mike was great in the playoffs (I give him a mulligan for the finals) and is a huge part of our repeat effort. But if he decides to test free agency I don't think we pursue. With a draft class so deep in SGs we could fill that hole for much less money and leave the 08 plan roughly intact. Does he leave? I think it's 50/50. It depends on how much longer he wants to play. If he thinks he has 3-4 more years left then now is the time for him to negotiate that last contract.

C) Which free agents of ours do we resign?

Jacque Vaughn will most definitely get an offer this offseason from us again. I think it will be around the vet minimum again for possibly 2 years. Miami has expressed interest in him though, and if they up the ante then he might bolt. Then again, Miami doesn't look to be going anywhere next year and we are the reigning champs. He might just prefer to stick around. Melvin Ely is a goner unless something absolutely horrible happens to our roster. Matt Bonner is a bit of a wild card. A lot of people assumed he would be retained, but then Horry decided he wouldn't retire afterall. Because of his lack of defensive ability I don't see him sticking around, but hes definitely a guy that could go either way.

D) Will we pick up James White's option?

In a word, yes. The guy fills a need at a position we're only getting thinner at, has a year in the system, is athletic as can be and is cheaper than anything else out there that we would sign as a free agent. Plus, if we decide to bail on him after next season his contract is over and he won't interfere with the 08 plan. Unless roster spots get THAT tight, he stays.

E) The million dollar question :greedy
Will Luis Scola come over this offseason?

Answer: Yes he absolutely will, unless he decides not to. Frankly, at this point, I don't think anybody knows. But what is more intriguing is "how much value does he garner in a trade?" Mr. Body's idea of trading Barry/Beno/Scola for Nocioni is a wonderful one. It fills needs for both teams and finally gets this pest out of our hair. If a trade like that is on the board then he is definitely out the door. Otherwise, it's anybody's guess whether this guy will come over or sign another 10 year contract abroad. But this is likely the BIG question of the summer.

F) Will we dump Beno?

Yes. Hes gone. I think the intense workouts of multiple PGs for this year's draft is proof enough (if Jacque Vaughn's vaulting over him in the lineup wasn't enough for you).

G) Who will become Bruce's replacement (otherwise known as the long 3/4 combo forward argument)?

I tend to think our best potential option is Mr Andrés Nocioni. But that is of course up to him and Mr. Paxson. We could also draft somebody like Demetris Nichols, Wilson Chandler, Dominic McGuire, Jared Dudley etc... But unless Thaddeus Young slides to us or we trade up I don't know that its a given that we draft one. Other FA possibilities include Mickael Pietrus (possible), Matt Barnes (unlikely), James Posey (very possible), Gerald Wallace (very unlikely), Travis Outlaw (unlikely) or any imaginable trade option with common names like Viktor Krhyapa, Walter Hermann and a patridge in a pear tree. Come up with your own solution here because we have a lot of different ways this can go.

H) Who is on the block and what is their value?

I have to believe that Brent Barry is still on the block most definitely there. Elson would be moved for the right price too. Interestingly, Ian Mahinmi could be moved to the Sonics as Sam Presti is the wunderkind that wanted to draft him. What is their value? I have no idea. But our guys need to determine that.

I) Does Mahinmi come over this year?

If there is a roster spot I believe he does.

These are the basic questions that the team has to ask themselves and determine answers for before they know who they can/should draft. Couple that in with the possibility of draft day trades and not knowing who will slide or fall to your spot and it could get messy. If:

A) Fabs is back
B) Fin-Dawg is back
C) Vaughn returns, Ely and Bonner walk
D) White returns
E) Scola/Beno/Barry are traded for Nocioni
F) Beno gone in aforementioned trade
G) Nocioni
H) See E
I) Mahinmi comes over this year

then this is likely what you get.

Parker/Vaughn

Ginobili/Finley/White/Bowen/Nocioni

Duncan/Oberto/Horry/Elson/Butler/Mahinmi

That leaves two spots open for draft picks or FAs (and remember, we still haven't used our MLE). I imagine instead of endangering our 08 plan we sign cheaper rookies to fill out the roster (probably a PG and wing) and draft Euros with the 28 and probably the 58 too. I am personally in favor of then drafting a domestic PG with the 33 and signing the best available undrafted FA (or a player taken with the 58) or a young D-League standout to work out for a year and see if he clicks in the system (or so we can drop him to try and pick up next year's version of Glenn Robinson, Chris Webber, or Jalen Rose). I would love to find another Bruce Bowen kind of guy. Lets say for example that we pick up DJ Strawberry (a guy I have taken a liking to) and picked up Dowdell and some foreigner with the other two picks.

Parker/Dowdell/Vaughn (inactive)

Ginobili/Finley/White/Bowen/Nocioni/Strawberry (inactive)

Duncan/Horry/Oberto/Butler/Elson/Mahinmi (inactive)

Obviously, this can all change if anything does not occur like I said it would in this example. If the Nocioni trade doesn't happen then Barry stays on the team and Strawberry is not picked up. Beno is likely traded for a future draft pick (probably to Cleveland). Scola might come over to SA in which case he would replace Mahinmi on the roster or Strawberry depending on what set of events occurs. If Finley opts out then we might draft a domestic SG with the 28 and bring him in now etc etc etc.

There are a plethora of events that could or should happen this offseason. While we probably won't be able to predict the draft it seems likely that the draft will give us a good idea of predicting what the rest of the offseason will look like.

[wildbill2u]

Here's my guess:

28. we take the best available foreign player and stash him. No up front money guarantee and no luxury tax.
33. We take the best available SF
58. Another foreign player because at 58 the pick is a big gamble anyway.

[Darkwaters]

I think all the PG workouts indicate that at one of the first two picks we take a lead guard.

[timvp]

Here's my guess:

28. we take the best available foreign player and stash him. No up front money guarantee and no luxury tax.
33. We take the best available SF
58. Another foreign player because at 58 the pick is a big gamble anyway.

Agree but I think #33 will be a PG.

[Darkwaters]

Considering the glaring need for a SF and the real lack of interest in some of the draft prospects at that position (compared to the PGs that is) I think it might indicate that the Spurs have some clearcut targets for free agency this offseason that they think are obtainable.

Either that or it's just CIA Pop doing his thing.

[ThomasGranger]

Considering the glaring need for a SF and the real lack of interest in some of the draft prospects at that position (compared to the PGs that is) I think it might indicate that the Spurs have some clearcut targets for free agency this offseason that they think are obtainable.

I agree. Right now the free agent market for SF's looks much more promising than PG's. Plus, I don't think they've given up on White--he might never be their starting SF, but at least he is already familiar with the players and the Spurs system.

[Mr. Body]

Considering the glaring need for a SF and the real lack of interest in some of the draft prospects at that position (compared to the PGs that is) I think it might indicate that the Spurs have some clearcut targets for free agency this offseason that they think are obtainable.

Either that or it's just CIA Pop doing his thing.

Problem is there are no good starters available where our draft picks are - possibly a big man or a guard winds up a starter, but everyone else looks like a role player so far, so the Spurs can't expect to get their Bowen replacement there.

[Darkwaters]

I agree. Right now the free agent market for SF's looks much more promising than PG's. Plus, I don't think they've given up on White--he might never be their starting SF, but at least he is already familiar with the players and the Spurs system.

I really look at him as more of a prospect at shooting guard. He has a shaky jumper right now, but Chip can surely shore that up a bit. As far as being a Bruce Bowen replacement though I can see that as a possibility. But Bruce isn't really your ideal SF to begin with.

[kyleo]

Problem is there are no good starters available where our draft picks are - possibly a big man or a guard winds up a starter, but everyone else looks like a role player so far, so the Spurs can't expect to get their Bowen replacement there.
Possible Bowen replacement in next year's draft? (http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1084)

[Mr. Body]

Possible Bowen replacement in next year's draft? (http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1084)

YES. I hoped he'd come out this year.

[kyleo]

YES. I hoped he'd come out this year.
When I read his profile, I completely freaked out. Instead of forcing the Bowen mold on some other combo-forward, this kid looks like the real deal. I hope his lack of an offense will keep other teams away, but this could wind up being next year's worst kept secret.

[A.H 21-50]

Another Pg whowill have a workout with the team

Ramon Sessions

From the Myrtle Beach News Sun : " Sessions is currently on a five-city tour to work out for more teams - San Antonio, Golden State, Seattle, Houston and Miami - but doesn't have a preference to play for one."

It's not a secret the Spus wanna a PG so they explore all the guys they can

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/ramonsessions.html

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=466

[AFBlue]

IMO,

Spurs are taking a combo guard and an international player....now whether those two are one in the same (Koponen) is yet to be seen.

Here's how I see it fleshing out...

If the Spurs take Koponen at #28, they go for Afflalo/Dudley/Visser at #33.

If the Spurs take Pruitt at #28, they go for Stanko/Fesenko at #33

If the Spurs take Fernandez/Belinelli at #28, they go for Dowdell at #33

What do you think about that logic?

[Darkwaters]

Possible Bowen replacement in next year's draft? (http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1084)

If we can't land a guy like Nocioni this offseason then it might be prudent to bring in somebody like James Posey instead and hope you can get somebody like this guy (if not THIS guy) next season to train up.

[A.H 21-50]

IMO,

Spurs are taking a combo guard and an international player....now whether those two are one in the same (Koponen) is yet to be seen.

Here's how I see it fleshing out...

If the Spurs take Koponen at #28, they go for Afflalo/Dudley/Visser at #33.

If the Spurs take Pruitt at #28, they go for Stanko/Fesenko at #33

If the Spurs take Fernandez/Belinelli at #28, they go for Dowdell at #33

What do you think about that logic?

IMO the team will take a pg with their second round pick
probably they will try to take the best wing player available with pick no.28

[Darkwaters]

IMO,

Spurs are taking a combo guard and an international player....now whether those two are one in the same (Koponen) is yet to be seen.

Here's how I see it fleshing out...

If the Spurs take Koponen at #28, they go for Afflalo/Dudley/Visser at #33.

If the Spurs take Pruitt at #28, they go for Stanko/Fesenko at #33

If the Spurs take Fernandez/Belinelli at #28, they go for Dowdell at #33

What do you think about that logic?

Pruitt could still be around at 33 if we don't pick him up earlier. Hence, I'm all in favor of taking Fernandez/Belinelli with the first pick (since 1st round picks are usually better for draft n' stash anyways) and then just drafting the best available PG at 33...be it Pruitt or Dowdell or whomever.

[AFBlue]

Pruitt could still be around at 33 if we don't pick him up earlier. Hence, I'm all in favor of taking Fernandez/Belinelli with the first pick (since 1st round picks are usually better for draft n' stash anyways) and then just drafting the best available PG at 33...be it Pruitt or Dowdell or whomever.

Seems like different sites see Pruitt in different lights. But I'm in total agreement with you that Fernandez/Belinelli at #28 and then the best PG available (if Pruitt is still on the board, or Dowdell) would be optimal.

It would suck to miss out on Dudley and Afflalo because they would be good in this system, but with so little roster space, I can't see them being the guys unless Koponen is picked up at #28.

Either way, I'm excited about several prospects and would happy to see many of them on this Spurs team.

[MoSpur]

I think the Spurs will take a domestic SF/SG if someone like Byars or Dudley is available.

[Darkwaters]

I think the Spurs will take a domestic SF/SG if someone like Byars or Dudley is available.

If Finley opts out of his contract then I definitely see this happening. Otherwise, I wouldn't discount it as an impossibility, I just have to consider the inherent nature of the Spurs and their infatuation with foreigners.

[AFBlue]

If the Spurs do grab Almond/Byars/Dudley/Afflalo or one of the other domestic G/F, I would anticipate them playing in the Summer League along with James White.

Barring a trade of Barry or an opt-out by Fin, only one of the two would make the team next year....

[Streakyshooter08]

Well, since I don't have the opportunity to watch a lot of college bb: Who of the Spurs possible draft picks would be able to contribute right away? I'd love to hear your opinions. Thanks.

[Gros Membres!]

Umm...I've been looking for a while now for a post (possibly a thread, can't remember) about a guy whose game is close to Manu's and it wasn't Bellineli. Any help? Random, I know.

If I remember correctly, Mr. Body said this guy whould give Pop a heart attack.

[ThomasGranger]

Do you mean Fernandez?

[Mr. Body]

Umm...I've been looking for a while now for a post (possibly a thread, can't remember) about a guy whose game is close to Manu's and it wasn't Bellineli. Any help? Random, I know.

If I remember correctly, Mr. Body said this guy whould give Pop a heart attack.

I don't remember saying this, but maybe I did. If Manu hasn't given Pop a heart attack, I don't know if Fernandez will. He has a similar game, but tales are he doesn't have the same slashing game. I'm not sure if he's as questionably sane in choices on the defensive end, either.

[Darkwaters]

Rudy Fernandez = straight up pimp

[Bruno]

Thanks A.H 21-50 for the Ramon Sessions workout.

Morris Almond worked out with Spurs today :
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-25-86/Just-Pick-Me-Already--Morris-Almond.html


I just finished a workout and interview with the San Antonio Spurs. They are the ninth different team that I have visited and auditioned for as the upcoming NBA draft approaches. I have four more stops to make before I finish my draft "tour," as I like to call it.

[BeerIsGood!]

I don't remember saying this, but maybe I did. If Manu hasn't given Pop a heart attack, I don't know if Fernandez will. He has a similar game, but tales are he doesn't have the same slashing game. I'm not sure if he's as questionably sane in choices on the defensive end, either.

He's talking about the Greek - Papaloukas (sp?)

[Mr. Body]

Yes, then Papaloukas and Manu playing together would cause coronary seizures. Fun, fun.

[AFBlue]

A general comment....

While we can see where the Spurs FO is focusing on this draft (combo guard, college G/F types, etc.), I think it's probably safe to assume we have no idea who the picks will be for the Spurs, because I'm not sure the Spurs FO does either. And I think that's probably the best thing, because the decision-makers for most of the other clubs have had ample time to sort out the long list of prospects, whereas the Spurs' main guys (Buford/Pop) have had hardly any time.

I hope the Spurs FO takes all of the allowable time up to draft night evaluating the talent through workouts, interviews, tape reviews, etc....


Side Note: I wonder what they thought of Almond....

[Marcus Bryant]

If Finley opts out of his contract then I definitely see this happening. Otherwise, I wouldn't discount it as an impossibility, I just have to consider the inherent nature of the Spurs and their infatuation with foreigners.

I wouldn't be so sure. They do have James White after all. That's not to say if they feel the guy is a great pick at #33 they won't do it, but this team doesn't have that many spots available for rookies, which is why I expect them to deal #28 or use it on someone who will play in Europe for the next few seasons. This is still the Spurs and they can get a similar talent at #33 that they can get at #28 without the guaranteed contract at a set salary.

[AFBlue]

I wouldn't be so sure. They do have James White after all. That's not to say if they feel the guy is a great pick at #33 they won't do it, but this team doesn't have that many spots available for rookies, which is why I expect them to deal #28 or use it on someone who will play in Europe for the next few seasons. This is still the Spurs and they can get a similar talent at #33 that they can get at #28 without the guaranteed contract at a set salary.

If the Spurs do go domestic for the #28 pick and that pick is a player like Almond/Byars/Dudley/Afflalo, then I think it would be telling of what they feel they have in White, even if Barry is traded or Fin opts out.

Having said that, I think it's a longshot that they go domestic G/F with pick #28 when, like you said, there is equitable value likely to be there at #33 (Almond, Byars, Dudley, and Afflalo are fairly close in talent, IMO).

[mardigan]

Hey Tony, have you heard anything about this kid Shabalkin? I saw that the SPurs had worked him out and was just curious if you knew anything about him

[Darkwaters]

Hey Tony, have you heard anything about this kid Shabalkin? I saw that the SPurs had worked him out and was just curious if you knew anything about him

I believe he withdrew from the draft anyways.

[Darkwaters]

If we are going to draft a foreign kid with the 28 this year then what is your order that you'd prefer we take them in?

I imagine some of the possible choices that could be there would be: Rudy Fernandez, Marco Belinelli, Petteri Koponen, Tiago Splitter, Kyrylo Fesenko, Zoran Erceg and Marc Gasol.

Fernandez, Belinelli, Koponen and Splitter would not be a reach at all in the first. The kid from Dnepropetrovsk, Fesenko, might be a bit of a reach here and Erceg and Gasol both are probably borderlined early to mid second rounders.

[Gros Membres!]

Great idea. Too bad the Lakers would have absolutely ZERO interest in trading a potential lottery pick next year for two spares.
Oh yeah. How 'bout Cleveland? They need a PG and have no draft picks this year. Ferry and Mike Brown also have some knowledge of Udrih.

[Gros Membres!]

He's talking about the Greek - Papaloukas (sp?)
Thanks! That's him. What's his contract situation? I like the way this guy attacks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh yeah. How 'bout Cleveland? They need a PG and have no draft picks this year. Ferry and Mike Brown also have some knowledge of Udrih.

Things that make you go...

[picnroll]

Oh yeah. How 'bout Cleveland? They need a PG and have no draft picks this year. Ferry and Mike Brown also have some knowledge of Udrih.
Clevelenad is rumored to be going after Andray Blatche which if true and succcessful would eat up their MLE.

[AFBlue]

If we are going to draft a foreign kid with the 28 this year then what is your order that you'd prefer we take them in?

I imagine some of the possible choices that could be there would be: Rudy Fernandez, Marco Belinelli, Petteri Koponen, Tiago Splitter, Kyrylo Fesenko, Zoran Erceg and Marc Gasol.

Fernandez, Belinelli, Koponen and Splitter would not be a reach at all in the first. The kid from Dnepropetrovsk, Fesenko, might be a bit of a reach here and Erceg and Gasol both are probably borderlined early to mid second rounders.

1. Rudy first and foremost. I understand he's not perfect, but in any other draft he would be a lottery pick...which is why it's not too insane for him/his agent to be saying he better get picked in the lottery or he's not coming over at all.

If he falls to the Spurs at #28, I think he's such a value pick at that point that it outweighs the risk of his situation turning into one like the current Scola ordeal. I think the Spurs in 08 would/should make something happen to bring him here.

2. Next is Belinelli. He may fall in love with his jumpshot and he might be a little cocky (from what I read), but he has a beautiful stroke and can be a lights-out shooter...something that the Spurs always need. Best of all, he can stay overseas for a year and then be brought in when there is a presumed mass exodus of wing players (Fin, Barry, Bowen, etc.).

3. I put Tiago Splitter here because he would also be a great value pick at #28, but he isn't going higher because the Spurs have such depth at the F/C position in their "farm system", with guys like Butler, Mahinmi, Scola, etc. He's third on my list b/c of need, but he's second based on talent.

4. Koponen would be my fourth choice, but for me it's clearly top 3....then everyone else. I do think Koponen has talent and upside, but based on the Spurs rather immediate need for a legitimate backup PG (Though I like Vaughn, he played way over his head and likely would've regressed back to the mean...plus he's a FA), I can't see how drafting a 19yr old international kid and stashing him overseas for a year or two is going to fit that need.

I would much rather the Spurs grab a guy like Pruitt or Dowdell, even if they don't have the long-term upside/talent of a guy like Koponen, because they can presumably step in right away, learn the system, and compete for minutes alongside Vaughn (or other FA PG) in yr 1.

5. Fesenko, Barac, Gasol, etc....none of them have the talent or upside of Splitter, and I will revert back to the "need" excuse, because the Spurs have a number of candidates vying for the coveted "other big" alongside Duncan in the near future and have bigger, more immediate needs elsewhere.

[timvp]

5. Fesenko, Barac, Gasol, etc....none of them have the talent or upside of Splitter, and I will revert back to the "need" excuse, because the Spurs have a number of candidates vying for the coveted "other big" alongside Duncan in the near future and have bigger, more immediate needs elsewhere.

The only way I see the Spurs drafting one of those three or Splitter is if James White is regarded as a much better prospect than we all think. Assuming the Spurs will draft a point guard (Pruitt, Dowdell, Green, Sessions, etc.) and James White is going to get the bulk of the "new" minutes due to the aging of the swingmen, the only other place to draft is power forward/center.

And while it does seem like the Spurs are pretty stacked in those position, they have a lot of aging parts. Oberto, Elson and Horry probably aren't long-term solutions given their age. Out of Mahinmi and Butler, probably only one will become a rotational NBA player for the Spurs. Bonner is in the mix, but there might still be room for one more big to draft 'n stash overseas.

I guess all we can do is trust the Spurs judgment regarding James White when they skip over Fernandez, Almond and Byars to pick Stanko :lol

[Darkwaters]

PHAT TONY,

I'm really high on Marc Gasol. I'd rather take Fernandez, Belinelli, Splitter, and Koponen before him however. But if all those guys are off the board at 28 then I might consider drafting my backup PG there and tryingn to swipe Gasol at 33. Hes a kid that could have a fair amount of talent and is a better shot than most any other foreigner there.

[Darkwaters]

I guess all we can do is trust the Spurs judgment regarding James White when they skip over Fernandez, Almond and Byars to pick Stanko :lol

That would break my heart. And unless all those guys flopped and Stanko became a first ballot hall of famer I really doubt that I'd ever recover.

[leemajors]

hopefully they draft a euro balla, i know timvp was disappointed markota got traded.

[AFBlue]

The only way I see the Spurs drafting one of those three or Splitter is if James White is regarded as a much better prospect than we all think. Assuming the Spurs will draft a point guard (Pruitt, Dowdell, Green, Sessions, etc.) and James White is going to get the bulk of the "new" minutes due to the aging of the swingmen, the only other place to draft is power forward/center.



Not sure I follow....

If the Spurs are intent on developing James White, they will likely not look for an immediate contributor such as a Morris Almond/Derrick Byars/Aaron Afflalo/Jared Dudley, and instead will opt for an international guard (such as Fernandez/Belinelli) that they will be able to keep overseas for a year while they figure out a) what they have with White and b) how they're going to handle the departure of their G/Fs (Barry, Bowen, Finley).

I think if the Spurs DO go for a domestic G/F at #28, I think it means they lack confidence in White and it will be an uphill battle for him to keep a roster spot.

[AFBlue]

The only way I see the Spurs drafting one of those three or Splitter is if James White is regarded as a much better prospect than we all think. Assuming the Spurs will draft a point guard (Pruitt, Dowdell, Green, Sessions, etc.) and James White is going to get the bulk of the "new" minutes due to the aging of the swingmen, the only other place to draft is power forward/center.

And while it does seem like the Spurs are pretty stacked in those position, they have a lot of aging parts. Oberto, Elson and Horry probably aren't long-term solutions given their age. Out of Mahinmi and Butler, probably only one will become a rotational NBA player for the Spurs. Bonner is in the mix, but there might still be room for one more big to draft 'n stash overseas.

I guess all we can do is trust the Spurs judgment regarding James White when they skip over Fernandez, Almond and Byars to pick Stanko :lol

I guess what threw me off was the inclusion of Fernandez into your list of people that Spurs would pass over. To me, drafting Fernandez or Belinelli has no immediate impact on White because he would still likely keep his roster spot, get some minutes, and prove whether or not he was in the long-term plans for the Spurs.

I also understand why the Spurs might go international F/C with the pick other than the PG....especially if that PG is domestic (Pruitt/Dowdell)

Question: If the Spurs grab Koponen at #28, where do they go with #33? Do they go domestic G/F or do they go international again?

[El_Mago]

#28 International PG/SG

#33 Domestic SF/PF

# 58 International C/PG

[A.H 21-50]

Not sure I follow....

If the Spurs are intent on developing James White, they will likely not look for an immediate contributor such as a Morris Almond/Derrick Byars/Aaron Afflalo/Jared Dudley, and instead will opt for an international guard (such as Fernandez/Belinelli) that they will be able to keep overseas for a year while they figure out a) what they have with White and b) how they're going to handle the departure of their G/Fs (Barry, Bowen, Finley).

I think if the Spurs DO go for a domestic G/F at #28, I think it means they lack confidence in White and it will be an uphill battle for him to keep a roster spot.

I agree but i'm not sure that drafting a domestic G/F means that they haven't a lot of confidence in JW
they could have both of them in the roster ,gino-finley- barry and bowen are old so they could prepare the next season

[AFBlue]

#28 International PG/SG

#33 Domestic SF/PF

# 58 International C/PG

I just don't think it's that simple...

If Pruitt is there at #28 and Fernandez/Belinelli are gone, I think the Spurs would look at him. If they take him, then that would shift #33 to a likely foreign player, such as Fesenko or Barac or Gasol.

Also, drafting a G/F either at #28 (Almond/Byars) or #33 (Afflalo/Dudley) has ramifications for James White, who I'm not sure that they've seen enough of to make a determination of whether he should stay. After all, keeping White AND whatever domestic G/F they take while having Manu, Finley, Barry, and Bowen still on the roster doesn't make much sense.

[El_Mago]

If the Spurs draft a domestic SF/SG....White should not panic.

White as far as I am concerned is far more polished and ready to play in the Spurs system then anyone they can draft right now.

White has proven himself to Coach Pop and the Spurs organization, and I fully expect him to be at camp and make the opening day roster. Plus, maybe get about 10-15 minutes max this year.

[AFBlue]

I agree but i'm not sure that drafting a domestic G/F means that they haven't a lot of confidence in JW
they could have both of them in the roster ,gino-finley- barry and bowen are old so they could prepare the next season

There are only 15 roster spots, and to spend a precious 2 of them with players that play the same position isn't so likely. I see what you mean by stating that Bowen, Finley, and Barry are all much older and more importantly are in the last year of their contracts...but I'm just not sure that both White and whatever domestic G/F is picked are carried on the roster next season.

If they do draft a guy, maybe they know that Finley will opt out, or maybe they plan to deal Barry...but again it seems unlikely that they would carry Manu, Finley, Barry, Bowen, White, AND "domestic G/F" at the same time...

[AFBlue]

I guess I'm overstating it....they probably could carry all 6, I just know that they didn't last year.

But if I were White and the Spurs drafted Morris Almond with the #28 pick, giving him guaranteed money....I'd be nervous :lol

[A.H 21-50]

If they do draft a guy, maybe they know that Finley will opt out, or maybe they plan to deal Barry...but again it seems unlikely that they would carry Manu, Finley, Barry, Bowen, White, AND "domestic G/F" at the same time...

exactly what i think if a player they are very high on, fall to the no.28 pick they will take it IMO and adjust the roster after but we'll see i can be wrong but trading barry or seeing finley opting out can allow another roster sport at the wing

but like you said they could have 6 wing players in the roster , one will not play and the other a little bit

[AFBlue]

exactly what i think if a player they are very high on, fall to the no.28 pick they will take it IMO and adjust the roster after but we'll see i can be wrong but trading barry or seeing finley opting out can allow another roster sport at the wing

but like you said they could have 6 wing players in the roster , one will not play and the other a little bit

Here's the other thing though....

It certainly looks as if the Spurs are intent on grabbing a domestic PG, be it Pruitt or Dowdell, with one of these picks. Would the Spurs really draft TWO domestic players and give one of those guys a guaranteed multi-year deal?

BTW, I do know that looks can be deceiving, especially when it comes to the Spurs draft ( :lol ), but there's a legitimate need at backup PG so it seems logical to assume they're targeting a domestic PG.

[A.H 21-50]

Here's the other thing though....

It certainly looks as if the Spurs are intent on grabbing a domestic PG, be it Pruitt or Dowdell, with one of these picks. Would the Spurs really draft TWO domestic players and give one of those guys a guaranteed multi-year deal?


That's the question , with the workouts i saw that they are high on a guy like dowdell , they will workout a lot of others domestic pg's like sessions , pruitt ... IMO they will take a domestic PG with the no.33 pick

they could pick another domestic player with the first pick but the spurs always surprise me during drafts maybe it will depends on the workout they have with guys like almond, afflalo.... or with who is still available with their pick (Bellinelli ?? Byars ...)

Also they can take a big , it depends on mahinmi , scola , oberto situations this summer.....

[timvp]

I guess what threw me off was the inclusion of Fernandez into your list of people that Spurs would pass over. To me, drafting Fernandez or Belinelli has no immediate impact on White because he would still likely keep his roster spot, get some minutes, and prove whether or not he was in the long-term plans for the Spurs.

Yeah, the Spurs could go with Belinelli or Fernandez at 28 instead of the big. However, it just doesn't seem like the Spurs are aiming to do that. Their workouts seem to be players who could slip to 33 instead of players who are going to be at 28. Almond is probably the highest rated player they've worked out that we know ... but even he could possibly drop to the second round a la Michael Redd.

If the Spurs were working out Byars and Cook who could somehow fall to 28 but won't fall to 33, that'd be a different story.

Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but to me it seems like the Spurs know what they are doing with 28. Whether it's a promise or a trade, I'm not sure.

If it's a promise, I don't think it can be Fernandez (he'll probably be gone) or Belinelli (he wouldn't be working out if he had a Spurs promise). If it's a promise, it's probably someone like Stanko, Fesenko or Gasol.


Question: If the Spurs grab Koponen at #28, where do they go with #33? Do they go domestic G/F or do they go international again?


That's a good question. I guess it depends on their view of James White. If they see White as a borderline prospect, they might draft a wing to give him competition. If they see him as having a good future, they might go international again.

But I don't think Koponen is their guy at 28. He's working out for teams that pick before and after the Spurs, so I highly doubt there's a promise.

[timvp]

For those who hope the Spurs don't have a promise at 28, remember what happened the last time the Spurs didn't have a promise?


http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/2000_draft/Players/images/carrawell.jpg

They picked Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd. And they did so even though they didn't even bring Carrawell in for a workout.

[AFBlue]

Yeah, the Spurs could go with Belinelli or Fernandez at 28 instead of the big. However, it just doesn't seem like the Spurs are aiming to do that. Their workouts seem to be players who could slip to 33 instead of players who are going to be at 28. Almond is probably the highest rated player they've worked out that we know ... but even he could possibly drop to the second round a la Michael Redd.

If the Spurs were working out Byars and Cook who could somehow fall to 28 but won't fall to 33, that'd be a different story.

Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but to me it seems like the Spurs know what they are doing with 28. Whether it's a promise or a trade, I'm not sure.

If it's a promise, I don't think it can be Fernandez (he'll probably be gone) or Belinelli (he wouldn't be working out if he had a Spurs promise). If it's a promise, it's probably someone like Stanko, Fesenko or Gasol.



That's a good question. I guess it depends on their view of James White. If they see White as a borderline prospect, they might draft a wing to give him competition. If they see him as having a good future, they might go international again.

But I don't think Koponen is their guy at 28. He's working out for teams that pick before and after the Spurs, so I highly doubt there's a promise.

Yeah it's somewhat frustrating that the Spurs always seem to reach (sometimes BIG <<cough Mahinmi cough>>) for players that they're almost positive will be there when they pick rather than banking on hypotheticals for players that were slated to go higher but fell for one reason or another.

Basically it seems like they're one of those teams that contributes to a player's freefall because they didn't expect him to be there, hadn't done their homework on the player, and had sort of told someone else that they would look hard at them if they were at that spot.

So, as much as it frustrates me, I could totally see the Spurs go with Dowdell/Pruitt and Fesenko/Stanko even if Fernandez/Belinelli/Byars/Almond fell to them...

Side Note: I hope it's not Koponen with either pick, and rather Pruitt or Dowdell. I want to see a player come in and challenge Vaughn (or FA PG) for minutes behind Tony and I don't see Koponen as ready for that, or to be on an NBA roster for that matter, as of yet.

[AFBlue]

For those who hope the Spurs don't have a promise at 28, remember what happened the last time the Spurs didn't have a promise?


http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/2000_draft/Players/images/carrawell.jpg

They picked Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd. And they did so even though they didn't even bring Carrawell in for a workout.

What do you make of the supposed Pruitt promise? I understand that he's continuing to work out for teams, but do you think it could've been more like this...

"We're still in the process of working players out and are still keeping our options open, but if you're there at #28 we'll strongly consider you"

Whaddya think? It's not exactly a promise...but it's better than Chris Carrawell.

[timvp]

What do you make of the supposed Pruitt promise? I understand that he's continuing to work out for teams, but do you think it could've been more like this...

"We're still in the process of working players out and are still keeping our options open, but if you're there at #28 we'll strongly consider you"

Whaddya think? It's not exactly a promise...but it's better than Chris Carrawell.

It could be something like that. Although a weak promise like that would probably do more harm than good. In such a scenario, Pruitt's agent can go around telling teams that the Spurs will pick Pruitt at 28 unless they trade up and get him.

The only way a promise really makes sense is if the Spurs agree not to pick anyone else and the player agrees to disappear until after the draft.

They might have told Pruitt that they liked him but will look at players like Dowdell, Sessions and Green.

[Darkwaters]

6 more days and all of our questions will be answered.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I just want to go to sleep and wake up on Thursday.

[Darkwaters]

I just want to go to sleep and wake up on Thursday.

Agreed. The only time I enjoy more than mid June in odd numbered years is in late June when we get to oggle all of the potential "future Spurs superstars". But as much as I enjoy it, the suspense is too much and I just want to know the answer now!

[AFBlue]

6 more days and all of our questions will be answered.

Can't wait...

And as I told my wife at dinner tonight...while I rambled on and she lovingly listened so intently despite being mostly disinterested :lol..... it's ALMOST a "no-lose" situation because there are a good 15 guys the Spurs could snag with either pick that could be immediate contributors or valuable role players down the line. I have my preferences of course, but it's really tough to see a scenario where I'm left shaking my head <<fingers crossed>>.

I say "almost" because I'm praying that the Spurs don't trade away either pick, because that would piss me off....something is better than nothing.

[pad300]

More Hoopsanalyst evaluations - PF's this time:
http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew11.htm

In particular, Fazekas sticks out; according to most mocks he will be in the vicinity or later than #28, and maybe later than #33 ...

[pad300]

Also, a couple of quick questions about draft pick valuation:

A) Would you trade Scola's rights For a 1st round pick, to a team that might be in win now mode? to the Pistons for #27? To the Rockets (#26)? The Lakers (#19)? The Nets (#17)

B) Would you trade down from #33 to move Beno? Consider something like
SA trades Beno, #33
LAC trades Singleton, Conroy, #44

With an understanding that Conroy will be released from his non-guaranteed contract to resign with the clippers (I believe that they were happy with him last year...It's why his contract includes this year; when they had to lock their roster last year, they offered him more than just the remainder of that year)

[AFBlue]

Also, a couple of quick questions about draft pick valuation:

A) Would you trade Scola's rights For a 1st round pick, to a team that might be in win now mode? to the Pistons for #27? To the Rockets (#26)? The Lakers (#19)? The Nets (#17)

B) Would you trade down from #33 to move Beno? Consider something like
SA trades Beno, #33
LAC trades Singleton, Conroy, #44

With an understanding that Conroy will be released from his non-guaranteed contract to resign with the clippers (I believe that they were happy with him last year...It's why his contract includes this year; when they had to lock their roster last year, they offered him more than just the remainder of that year)


Not sure I would trade up unless I was certain that a player in the late teens early twenties just wasn't going to fall and I HAD to have him. Also, I'm not sure about trading up to grab an extra pick when the Spurs are already short on roster spots. So, no I'm not sure I would...and more to the point, it doesn't seem like the Spurs are looking to do so either. As timvp said, it seems like the Spurs are showing interest in and working out prospects that will most assuredly be there at pick #28 and #33.

[Mr. Body]

Can't wait...

And as I told my wife at dinner tonight...while I rambled on and she lovingly listened so intently despite being mostly

Sounds like my house. Except my wife is a Knicks lifer. She likes the Spurs but wishes I weren't obsessed.

[Mr. Body]

Also, a couple of quick questions about draft pick valuation:

A) Would you trade Scola's rights For a 1st round pick, to a team that might be in win now mode? to the Pistons for #27? To the Rockets (#26)? The Lakers (#19)? The Nets (#17)

B) Would you trade down from #33 to move Beno? Consider something like
SA trades Beno, #33
LAC trades Singleton, Conroy, #44

With an understanding that Conroy will be released from his non-guaranteed contract to resign with the clippers (I believe that they were happy with him last year...It's why his contract includes this year; when they had to lock their roster last year, they offered him more than just the remainder of that year)

I don't get the 'trade down to get rid of Beno' scenario. Udrih is worth more or equal to Singleton and Conroy is worth nothing. Udrih only makes $1.7M for one year, which isn't worth trading down to shed.

Trading Scola outright for a pick, as others have said, isn't that great since we're hurting for roster spots. I would advocate trading up with Scola, but only if the situation is right.

[BradLohaus]

Man, I take a day and a half off from this thread and I have pages of catching up to do. It's been a great one, though. Keep up the good work everybody - there's still a week left!

[AFBlue]

Sounds like my house. Except my wife is a Knicks lifer. She likes the Spurs but wishes I weren't obsessed.

Ouch...

Nah, I can't complain because she is a Spurs fan (converted from Mav fan b/c she lived in the DFW area all her life..but obviously wasn't a Mav lifer) and will watch alot of the games with me.

Obviously she thinks I'm obsessed, and staying up until 1 this morning probably didn't help my cause ( :lol )....so I guess she might have an argument <<scratches chin>>....

[Atl Spur]

Being the spurs only have limited spaces on the roster this year, I think they should start rebuilding towards 08/09 in this draft. This has been touted as one of the deepest drafts in 10-15 years by some analyst! My first move would be to trade the rights of luis scola to the seattle supersonics for their 2 second round draft picks. Reason being, supersonics need leadership from a vet( considered one of the best outside of the U.S) and we could use the picks for developement player(s). This is how I have it figured:

pick 28 sean williams boston college

pick 31 jared dudley

pick 33 gasol

pick 35 gabe pruitt or best pg available

pick 58 international project


Finley leaves - Dudley

gasol - Leave overseas(saved roster spot this year)

sean williams - Potential man child with some of pops tough love(a year to develope)

gabe pruitt - 3rd string point guard behind tony and chucky atkins or jaque

project is just that ...... a project!

trade brent barry and beno for andres nocioni and filler.(pipe dream maybe but who knows)

Roster will look like this:
tony
manu
bruce
tim
oberto ( shouldn't be opting out; most effective in san antonio)

jackie butler
james white
robert horry
andres nocioni
francisco elson
chucky atkins
sean williams

gabe and dudley- austin toros nbdl (our minor leagues)
gasol stay overseas (one year)

08/09
tony
manu
nocioni
tim
butler

white
pruitt
dudley
mihamini (however yu spell his name)
williams
gasol
back up point #3rd string

[Mr. Body]

Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.

[A.H 21-50]

Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.

i think so the spurs will not take a man like williams , if the teams take a big they could take someone like fazekas , gray , visser or someting like that but that means there will be some roster post available wich depends on scola , mahinmi situations....

[AFBlue]

Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.

and that's understating it....

I also don't think that the Spurs add picks in this draft....unless they are assuredly going overseas with the pick.

Spurs keep #28 and #33, pick domestic with one and international with the other...

#58 is probably international and/or an incredible longshot to make this team especially this year...

[mountainballer]

Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.

just read about Sean Willams and his "workout audiences" in Houston. he refuses to travel to teams that invite him, but is arranging public workouts with interested NBA teams alongside a 7-3 Romanian player.
wow. now his stock will skyrocket!

[AFBlue]

just read about Sean Willams and his "workout audiences" in Houston. he refuses to travel to teams that invite him, but is arranging public workouts with interested NBA teams alongside a 7-3 Romanian player.
wow. now his stock will skyrocket!

He'll still go in the first round to a team in desperate need of an athletic shot-blocker with high potential. I've seen mocks that have him as high as #17 to the Nets...and as crazy as that sounds, they are in the worst way when it comes to frontcourt talent/size.

[Darkwaters]

He'll still go in the first round to a team in desperate need of an athletic shot-blocker with high potential. I've seen mocks that have him as high as #17 to the Nets...and as crazy as that sounds, they are in the worst way when it comes to frontcourt talent/size.

Go ahead and draft that idiot Williams before us. That just means more talent trickles down to the 28 and 33. But when you're desperately trying to trade him because Ron Artest is a better locker room guy then don't complain.

[Mr. Body]

According to DX's surveys of the league, people think New York is down to Daequan Cook or Sean Williams.

It's as if they're not even drafting, to us.

[AFBlue]

According to DX's surveys of the league, people think New York is down to Daequan Cook or Sean Williams.

It's as if they're not even drafting, to us.


What about the report that Wilson Chandler received a promise from them at #23? If he's not going to them, then did he receive a promise from another first round team...Spurs?

He shut his workouts down and the Spurs were one of the few teams to get a look at him right? Is it possible?

[Mr. Body]

What about the report that Wilson Chandler received a promise from them at #23? If he's not going to them, then did he receive a promise from another first round team...Spurs?

He shut his workouts down and the Spurs were one of the few teams to get a look at him right? Is it possible?

Apparently Wilson Chandler's own camp was spreading the rumors of a promise. He's not first round material.

[AFBlue]

Apparently Wilson Chandler's own camp was spreading the rumors of a promise. He's not first round material.

Yeah I don't think he's first round material either, but to stop your workouts is pretty risky...

[Atl Spur]

Fazekas is not nearly enough athletically to help us! I can see now after re-evaluating the williams pick how he wouldn't be a good fit, but that still doesn't diminish the need to start developing new talent. Let the Scola dream go and start fresh.

[wildbill2u]

There are guys who everyone was orgasmic over a few weeks ago that no one even mentions any more--and not necessarily because they have moved out of the picture up or down. People just lost interest because they'd been talked to death.

This is just chasing our tails like mad dogs. I'm just gonna wait until the FO pros make their selection and then bitch like hell like everyone else :madrun 'cause (name a player here) wasn't picked.

[Darkwaters]

This is just chasing our tails like mad dogs. I'm just gonna wait until the FO pros make their selection and then bitch like hell like everyone else :madrun 'cause (name a player here) wasn't picked.

There are only a few ways I would bitch and moan over our draft picks...

A) Rudy Fernandez is there at 28 and we pass on him
B) Rudy Fernandez is there at 33 and we pass on him
C) Rudy Fernandez is there at 58 and we pass on him

Otherwise I trust our front office to make a good selection that is in our long-term interest.

[AFBlue]

There are only a few ways I would bitch and moan over our draft picks...

A) Rudy Fernandez is there at 28 and we pass on him
B) Rudy Fernandez is there at 33 and we pass on him
C) Rudy Fernandez is there at 58 and we pass on him

Otherwise I trust our front office to make a good selection that is in our long-term interest.

Prepare to be disappointed...

Seriously though, I have to agree with an earlier statement by timvp that the Spurs seem to be targeting players that will most likely be there when they pick at #28 and #33. That means if a guy like Rudy slips to #28, the Spurs still might take the guy they have worked out, interviewed, and gotten comfortable with over him.

I don't know if Rudy lasts to #33, but my guess is that the Spurs might have planned to go "international" with that pick anyways....so he'd be the best value there. That'd be insane!

[AFBlue]

Fazekas is not nearly enough athletically to help us! I can see now after re-evaluating the williams pick how he wouldn't be a good fit, but that still doesn't diminish the need to start developing new talent. Let the Scola dream go and start fresh.

Honestly, I don't see Williams falling past #27 to the Pistons. I know they lost Delfino, but he hardly got any PT. They're talking about trading Sheed, Webber is getting older, McDyess is a FA, and the word was that they were targeting DeVon Hardin at #27....a raw, athletic big man.

So, I personally don't think Williams gets the opportunity to be drafted by the Spurs, even if they wanted him....which I seriously doubt.

On moving on past Scola...the Spurs already drafted a raw, athletic shot-blocker in Mahinmi and have Butler on this team through next year and into 2008-09 if they want.

[Mr. Body]

The Draft Express mock keeps having Julian Wright taking a tumble after Philadelphia takes Al Thornton after him.

Al Thornton is a 'wtf?' pick - I see him having no impact on wins and losses, but Philly needs a scorer to put alongside Andre Iguodala. The next three picks will all be guards (Charlotte-Nick Young; LA Clips-Javaris Crittendon; Detroit-Rodney Stuckey).

Which brings us to #16 and Washington. This is an interesting point, since the Wizards don't obviously need a SF at this point, with Caron Butler, although Wright could play some PF. Then you have #17 and New Jersey, which needs a true big man and already has a starting SF.

It's an interesting tumble, and one to watch. Wright has a lot of interesting skills that would be aces on a Spurs squad. He's not much of a scorer, but can do a bunch of other things, and is smart and coachable. THIS is where I'd try to trade up to nab him.

Scola + #28 to New Jersey or Washington for Julian Wright??

[AFBlue]

The Draft Express mock keeps having Julian Wright taking a tumble after Philadelphia takes Al Thornton after him.

Al Thornton is a 'wtf?' pick - I see him having no impact on wins and losses, but Philly needs a scorer to put alongside Andre Iguodala. The next three picks will all be guards (Charlotte-Nick Young; LA Clips-Javaris Crittendon; Detroit-Rodney Stuckey).

Which brings us to #16 and Washington. This is an interesting point, since the Wizards don't obviously need a SF at this point, with Caron Butler, although Wright could play some PF. Then you have #17 and New Jersey, which needs a true big man and already has a starting SF.

It's an interesting tumble, and one to watch. Wright has a lot of interesting skills that would be aces on a Spurs squad. He's not much of a scorer, but can do a bunch of other things, and is smart and coachable. THIS is where I'd try to trade up to nab him.

Scola + #28 to New Jersey or Washington for Julian Wright??

Julian Wright at #18 would be crazy good! He plays like a PF and would likely take some time to develop his perimeter game, but he's got great athleticism, is an unselfish player, lots of present talent, and loads of potential...

Having said that, I don't even think he's on the Spurs' radar...man that would be nice though.

[Mr. Body]

Julian Wright at #18 would be crazy good! He plays like a PF and would likely take some time to develop his perimeter game, but he's got great athleticism, is an unselfish player, lots of present talent, and loads of potential...

Having said that, I don't even think he's on the Spurs' radar...man that would be nice though.

I'm not sure he's on anyone's radar at that point. I'm sure the Clippers or one of the earlier teams would abandon 'greatest need' and go BPA and select him before #17, but DX does have him falling to #16 (Wizards), therefore out of the lottery. If that does happen, the Spurs should try like mad to get there.

He wouldn't go past #18 and Golden State, IMO.

[pad300]

And the annual Hoopsanalyst draft series continues, this time with SF's:

http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew12.htm

[Mr. Body]

And the annual Hoopsanalyst draft series continues, this time with SF's:

http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew12.htm

A great read.

Julian Wright is a very good complementary player who could learn to score better.

We, as a board, went through a pro-Dominic McGuire phase a while back but have cooled on him (via overexposure), but might need to return to him as a prospect - even if the Spurs 'seem' to not have him on the radar.

He is cautionary about Morris Almond.

Thaddeus Young, to him, is a good gamble.

Nick Young is an overrated scorer who does little else - compares him to Jason Kapono.

He is skeptical of Jared Dudley's very good shooting numbers last year.

He thinks Alando Tucker won't do anything in the pros.

[pad300]

A great read.



Because you liked the last one so much, SG's

http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew13.htm

Of particular interest is what he has to say about Byars (who people think might drop to us), and Belinelli...

[Darkwaters]

Because you liked the last one so much, SG's

http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew13.htm

Of particular interest is what he has to say about Byars (who people think might drop to us), and Belinelli...

Anyone notice how my boy DJ Strawberry (not to mention Rudy) is way up on this guys board? Strawberry at 58 would be amazing!

[K-State Spur]

A great read.

Julian Wright is a very good complementary player who could learn to score better.

We, as a board, went through a pro-Dominic McGuire phase a while back but have cooled on him (via overexposure), but might need to return to him as a prospect - even if the Spurs 'seem' to not have him on the radar.

He is cautionary about Morris Almond.

Thaddeus Young, to him, is a good gamble.

Nick Young is an overrated scorer who does little else - compares him to Jason Kapono.

He is skeptical of Jared Dudley's very good shooting numbers last year.

He thinks Alando Tucker won't do anything in the pros.

I firmly believe that whatever team uses a lottery pick on Julian Wright will come to regret it - especially if they want him as a small forward. He's basically Drew Gooden with better defense (because of his athleticism) but a worse handle and less range.

[Darkwaters]

I firmly believe that whatever team uses a lottery pick on Julian Wright will come to regret it - especially if they want him as a small forward. He's basically Drew Gooden with better defense (because of his athleticism) but a worse handle and less range.

But Gooden was a starter on a Finals team!

[Mr. Body]

I firmly believe that whatever team uses a lottery pick on Julian Wright will come to regret it - especially if they want him as a small forward. He's basically Drew Gooden with better defense (because of his athleticism) but a worse handle and less range.

I couldn't disagree more. He's a much smarter basketball player than Gooden, anyway.

[K-State Spur]

I couldn't disagree more. He's a much smarter basketball player than Gooden, anyway.

But how much is smarter worth (especially compared to a guy like gooden)? Yeah, Gooden's a moron, so maybe that kills that comparison in terms of intelligence. But Wright has a horrible handle and his range on his jumper ends at about 5 feet (no exaggeration there).

[TDMVPDPOY]

But how much is smarter worth (especially compared to a guy like gooden)? Yeah, Gooden's a moron, so maybe that kills that comparison in terms of intelligence. But Wright has a horrible handle and his range on his jumper ends at about 5 feet (no exaggeration there).

we lived with malik and rasho who had no range, i think we can live with wright for a few season...

[Darkwaters]

Smarts does make a difference. Fabricio Oberto would be a 12th man in this league if it weren't for his smarts. Instead, hes the starter on a championship squad.

[AFBlue]

Smarts does make a difference. Fabricio Oberto would be a 12th man in this league if it weren't for his smarts. Instead, hes the starter on a championship squad.

Besides that, the comparison just doesn't hold water...

Drew Gooden is a PF and will be a PF for his entire career. Julian Wright may have played the majority of his minutes at PF (which is why it's understandable that his jumpshot is underdeveloped), but his long-term position in the NBA is SF.

Wright may be a project as a SF, but he's a smart player, hard worker, and incredible athlete with a bright future....I would love him on this team!

[wildbill2u]

"Waiting for Manu" is a great article on Draft Express about the potential--and statistical reality--of International Draftees moving into the NBA.

They hold up Manu as the gold standard of all international picks. Nice.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2135

[wildbill2u]

Scola rumors on Draft Express:

"Teams thinking about trading a draft pick on Wednesday for Luis Scola should know that he is mulling over a 5-year contract offer for a ridiculous sum of 10 million Euros. After calculating taxes and the exchange rate, we figure Scola will be essentially signing a deal for the mid-level Exception if he indeed decides to take it. That just gives you an idea of how much ground European teams have made up on the NBA in their ability to compete financially over the past few years. Scola reportedly loves playing in Spain and is a long-shot to ever make it over to the NBA."

Scola could give the Spurs the finger and tell the NBA to stuff it. I mentioned in a previus post that we are underestimating the ability of the European teams to financially compete for their star players against the NBA teams.

And it may be more compelling for a Euro to be a big frog in a smaller pond if he is a superstar there and may be nothing but a role player or bench rider in the NBA.

[AFBlue]

Scola rumors on Draft Express:

"Teams thinking about trading a draft pick on Wednesday for Luis Scola should know that he is mulling over a 5-year contract offer for a ridiculous sum of 10 million Euros. After calculating taxes and the exchange rate, we figure Scola will be essentially signing a deal for the mid-level Exception if he indeed decides to take it. That just gives you an idea of how much ground European teams have made up on the NBA in their ability to compete financially over the past few years. Scola reportedly loves playing in Spain and is a long-shot to ever make it over to the NBA."

Scola could give the Spurs the finger and tell the NBA to stuff it. I mentioned in a previus post that we are underestimating the ability of the European teams to financially compete for their star players against the NBA teams.

And it may be more compelling for a Euro to be a big frog in a smaller pond if he is a superstar there and may be nothing but a role player or bench rider in the NBA.

This is being discussed elsewhere on the site, but is good information nonetheless. Still, my guess is that Scola's preference is to play in the NBA and that he will assess his situation this off-season with the Spurs (or whatever team his draft rights are traded to, if that occurs) before negotiating a new deal overseas....

[K-State Spur]

This is being discussed elsewhere on the site, but is good information nonetheless. Still, my guess is that Scola's preference is to play in the NBA and that he will assess his situation this off-season with the Spurs (or whatever team his draft rights are traded to, if that occurs) before negotiating a new deal overseas....

If he actually is mulling over it, we can end any of the talk about how he just wants to play in the NBA and that's all that matters. In that case, it's been/is/will be all about the $.

[Darkwaters]

If the Nocioni trade looks like it is an unlikely occurance then I think our draft plans are ultimately changed. Assuming that Nocioni is out of the question and players like Morris Almond, Derrick Byars and the multi-talented Rudy Fernandez are off the board then I like this idea...

28) Gabe Pruitt
33) Either Marc Gasol, Stanko Barac or Kyrylo Fesenko
58) DJ Strawberry if hes on the board still or any random Euro

Sign James Posey as our SF of the future but plan on drafting a young prospect next season (Marcus Dove?). Look to trade Elson, Barry and Udrih and negotiate to bring Scola over. Perhaps Mahinmi too.

[kyleo]

If the Nocioni trade looks like it is an unlikely occurance then I think our draft plans are ultimately changed. Assuming that Nocioni is out of the question and players like Morris Almond, Derrick Byars and the multi-talented Rudy Fernandez are off the board then I like this idea...

28) Gabe Pruitt
33) Either Marc Gasol, Stanko Barac or Kyrylo Fesenko
58) DJ Strawberry if hes on the board still or any random Euro

Sign James Posey as our SF of the future but plan on drafting a young prospect next season (Marcus Dove?). Look to trade Elson, Barry and Udrih and negotiate to bring Scola over. Perhaps Mahinmi too.
If the Spurs are high on Pruitt, drafting him at 28 may be a necessity, because Presti's sitting there at 31 with two over-priced PG's and may be looking to shore up that position for the future. If we're high on Koponen, I don't think he drops lower than Suns at 29. That of course changes if the Suns trade up, which looks more and more likely considering their workouts. Then either Koponen or Pruitt (not to mention Zowdell and Sessions) would be available at that 33 spot, and we can afford to look at a guy like Dudley or Williams at 28. Either can provide match-up difficulties for other teams and will work their asses off. I totally agree about Posey and Dove, that would be an ideal transition out of the Bowen era - limit his minutes with Posey, who can also rock a smallball lineup and guard Dirk, then train Dove up in the meantime.

[Mr. Body]

If he actually is mulling over it, we can end any of the talk about how he just wants to play in the NBA and that's all that matters. In that case, it's been/is/will be all about the $.

Not true. The guy needs to take care of his future. If it's apparent the Spurs won't let him come over to the NBA, the best he can do is entrench himself where he is. Don't know why this means he's about the money.

[AFBlue]

If the Nocioni trade looks like it is an unlikely occurance then I think our draft plans are ultimately changed. Assuming that Nocioni is out of the question and players like Morris Almond, Derrick Byars and the multi-talented Rudy Fernandez are off the board then I like this idea...

28) Gabe Pruitt
33) Either Marc Gasol, Stanko Barac or Kyrylo Fesenko
58) DJ Strawberry if hes on the board still or any random Euro

Sign James Posey as our SF of the future but plan on drafting a young prospect next season (Marcus Dove?). Look to trade Elson, Barry and Udrih and negotiate to bring Scola over. Perhaps Mahinmi too.

I have to disagree with you. I don't think the Spurs' draft decisions will change based on the likelihood of an already-unlikely scenario involving a player that it appears the Spurs have not had discussions about (Nocioni). I think the Spurs will draft a combo guard prospect, and the other will be based on who they feel is best available...be it a G/F or a F/C, be they domestic or international.

Again, I don't think the Spurs will change based on what they think will happen with Nocioni, and may very ever so slightly, if at all, based on the hearsay with Scola.

Ultimately, I don't think Scola affects their draft day decisions, unless he's a part of those decisions via trade.

[K-State Spur]

Not true. The guy needs to take care of his future. If it's apparent the Spurs won't let him come over to the NBA, the best he can do is entrench himself where he is. Don't know why this means he's about the money.

Not saying that there is anything wrong with that at all. Just saying that you can't say all you want to do is play in the NBA and then think about taking the money elsewhere. And, to the best of my knowledge, he hasn't said as much. My post was more directed at the posters who continually say that all Scola wants is the NBA.

[AFBlue]

Not saying that there is anything wrong with that at all. Just saying that you can't say all you want to do is play in the NBA and then think about taking the money elsewhere. And, to the best of my knowledge, he hasn't said as much. My post was more directed at the posters who continually say that all Scola wants is the NBA.

I think the truth is probably somewhere in-between.

Scola has proven his ability to dominate in the Euroleague, so he has little left to prove. Unlike in the NBA, where many say that his skills don't translate as well and he's unlikely to be as dominant. I think he's a competitive person and would like to prove himself on this level.

Having said that, I think he's got a good self-worth and doubt he will come to the NBA for "peanuts" and will be okay with riding the pine for a year....it was much easier for Oberto, who has always been a role player.

IMO, Scola will ask for $2-3M per year and the opportunity to play a signifiant role/be in the rotation for any team that he plays for stateside. Given his talent, I'd say those are not outrageous demands....but I'm also not sure the Spurs will be able to live up to them.

[Darkwaters]

I think it is a given that we take a PG somewhere in the draft. Whether that be Dowdell, Pruitt, Petteri or someone else, I think it matters not. That hole could be filled with a succesful trade for Duhon or the signing of Chucky Atkins. The point is that there are many solutions to plugging that hole.

The situtation with our SFs is vastly different. Not only are SFs often a more expensive commodity but we have very specific requirement for this player. Whether it be a 6'0 or 6'7 PG we will accept either. But this team is searching for a long 3 that that can play quality defense as well and (hopefully) slow down Dirk. Those players are going to be difficult to find without paying far too much. Also, our hopes for a PG are rather simple. We want somebody that can operate our second team while playing decent defense. A young rookie or a past-his-prime vet can easily accomplish this task. Our hopes for a SF include the eventual starting job. This will require a special player and not just anybody.

That said, I don't think that the "Nocioni Trade" is what drives this offseason but rather the "pursuit of the SF". Nocioni is only one of many possible solutions, but he is a realistic solution and a largely ideal one. Scola will be used to fulfill this end. If it is not necessary to include Scola's rights in the acquisition of this SF then I feel that Scola might be brought over. But only once this need has been filled!

[El_Mago]

Anyone know if Nemanja Aleksandrov is in the draf this year?

If so, I can see the Spurs drafting Aleksandrov with either of the three picks.

He is the long and elusive SF the Spurs have been missing

And yes, I know Aleksandrov has not played in nearly a year due to injury.

[Darkwaters]

Anyone know if Nemanja Aleksandrov is in the draf this year?

If so, I can see the Spurs drafting Aleksandrov with either of the three picks.

He is the long and elusive SF the Spurs have been missing

And yes, I know Aleksandrov has not played in nearly a year due to injury.


I would love to take Nemanja. But I haven't seen anything on him in a while and I imagine that he isn't elligible. I'll have to look it up though.

[El_Mago]

I think he is elligible.

I thought I read somewhere that he was at some pre-draft camps.

A couple of years ago he was the sure-fire number 1.

He kept on pulling out and eventually got hurt.

The kid has it all though.

7'0....Fluid Jumpshot (nearly perfect mechanics), great ball handling, slashing ability to the basket, and can play defense.

Although, the fire in the first-step has probably diminished.

If he is in the draft....the Spurs should take him, and he should be available.

[kyleo]

^Check out his player blog on DX. He was at the Nike Hoops Summit in April. Lost a great deal of athleticism due to injury and shot awkwardly from mid-range, but did two things well: shot the three and rebounded.

[Darkwaters]

I love Nemanja Aleksandrov. But he would be a long-term project since he has to rehab his injury. But this guy had a ton of potential a couple of years ago. If we could snare him with the 58 it would be an absolute steal. Even if this guy never pans out, it is easily worth the gamble.

...I just didn't think he was in this year's draft.

Edit: He was born in 87. So unless hes an early entry candidate then hes not in this year's draft.

[timvp]

Nemanja Aleksandrov isn't automatically eligible until the 2009 draft. He'd have to declare early to be eligible before then.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like I've been hearing about him since forever, and he's still 2 years from automatic eligibility? Wow.

[timvp]

I'm still trying to figure out what the Spurs have planned. I'm leaning more and more to the opinion that Koponen will be the man if he's on the board at 28. I don't think he will though.

Random observations after researching a lot of draft stuff over the last couple days:

--I've started to cool on Belinelli, Almond, Dudley, Tucker, McGuire and Chandler as fits on the Spurs. Belinelli is too much of a one dimensional gunner. Almond isn't a great athlete and not much on D. Dudley and Tucker are also not really athletic enough. McGuire and Chandler don't have the character.

--I've started to warm up to Byars and Fazekas. Byars would be a no-brainer at 28. Fazekas I never really liked but I watched him some more and his rebounding ability to go along with his shot making ability I think could make him an NBA player. If the Spurs think Bonner's asking price is too high, Fazekas could be a good replacement.

--The more I think about it, the more I think 28 is either going international or getting traded. Perhaps the Spurs would pick someone like Byars if he fell to them. But with the front office attempting to open up space next offseason, I don't think they want a first round contract on the books for a player who isn't a near lock to be solid. A game plan I can see the Spurs using would be to trade the pick unless Byars, Fernandez or Koponen falls to them.

--At 33, it's going to depend what happens at 28. If you land a domestic player like Byars, I think the Spurs go international. If the Spurs land Koponen and think that he needs a couple years in Europe, I think that opens the door for players like Almond and Afflalo. If the Spurs get a foreign prospect like Fernandez (or Stanko, Fesenko, Gasol, etc), I think the Spurs then go with a point guard. Dowdell, Pruitt and Green look like the three point guard worth a selection at 33.

--58 is either a trade or a foreign prospect. I see no way that the Spurs pick a domestic player ... unless that player agrees to play overseas a la Derrick Dial. Marko Tomas if he's on the board has to be looked at.

--Two players we never talk about that could come into the mix are Daequan Cook and Marcus Williams. Cook could slip to the Spurs and he has pretty nice potential. He'd be a worthwhile high risk/high reward gamble. He's a little too small for what they really need though. Marcus Williams is an odd prospect as he was once considered a lottery pick ... and now he's a second rounder. He actually fits a lot of what the Spurs need. I'm a little surprised that his name isn't mention more as a possibility at 33, but I can understand it since he'd be a pretty boring pick due to his limited upside.

[Rustyman]

I am more and more becoming convinced that the Spurs will follow something approaching the following strategy:

1. Draft a foreign prospect they like at 28
2. If no foreign prospect remains that they like, trade the pick for a couple of 2nd rounders or a future 1st.
3. At 33 select the best SG/SF remaining.
4. At 58, another foreigner (SF/PF combo) or trade for a future 2nd.
5. If in 2. the 28th pick was traded for at least one 2nd this year, then pick up a backup PG.

My reasoning behind this is as follows:
1. A domestic PG will not be picked at 28 as any backup PG is not getting any more than 10-12 minutes per night while Tony Parker is around. The high relative wage and loss of flexibility caused by picking a PG at this spot compromises the 2008 retooling plan. There are more than enough veterans around who are well aware what a year on the Spurs can do in increasing their value and extending their careers, not to talk about the possibility of winning a ring.

2. A foreign PG/SG/SF can be picked at 28 as they will not be playing for the Spurs next season, the 2008 plan is not compromised and any foreign backcourt player can play an important role from 2008 onwards.

3. James White is not enough youth at the SG/SF position. The Spurs need at least one more young player to try out next year but with no long-term financial commitment. If the 33rd pick works out, the player can be signed to a longer term contract after 2008, if not, he is cut/traded/etc.

The end results is that the Spurs end up with 1 or 2 new players on the roster next season. This is to replace Ely and/or Barry/Beno/Finley/Bonner.

Next year it is the definitive end for Horry/Finley/Barry/Beno and maybe Bowen. That means that at least 3-4 slots have to be filled next year. Thats when this year and previous foreign picks will have a chance. It is also the reason I think that Scola will never wear a Spurs uniform. If Scola does not come over this year, he is never going to be a Spur.

[AFBlue]

I am more and more becoming convinced that the Spurs will follow something approaching the following strategy:

1. Draft a foreign prospect they like at 28
2. If no foreign prospect remains that they like, trade the pick for a couple of 2nd rounders or a future 1st.
3. At 33 select the best SG/SF remaining.
4. At 58, another foreigner (SF/PF combo) or trade for a future 2nd.
5. If in 2. the 28th pick was traded for at least one 2nd this year, then pick up a backup PG.

My reasoning behind this is as follows:
1. A domestic PG will not be picked at 28 as any backup PG is not getting any more than 10-12 minutes per night while Tony Parker is around. The high relative wage and loss of flexibility caused by picking a PG at this spot compromises the 2008 retooling plan. There are more than enough veterans around who are well aware what a year on the Spurs can do in increasing their value and extending their careers, not to talk about the possibility of winning a ring.

2. A foreign PG/SG/SF can be picked at 28 as they will not be playing for the Spurs next season, the 2008 plan is not compromised and any foreign backcourt player can play an important role from 2008 onwards.

3. James White is not enough youth at the SG/SF position. The Spurs need at least one more young player to try out next year but with no long-term financial commitment. If the 33rd pick works out, the player can be signed to a longer term contract after 2008, if not, he is cut/traded/etc.

The end results is that the Spurs end up with 1 or 2 new players on the roster next season. This is to replace Ely and/or Barry/Beno/Finley/Bonner.

Next year it is the definitive end for Horry/Finley/Barry/Beno and maybe Bowen. That means that at least 3-4 slots have to be filled next year. Thats when this year and previous foreign picks will have a chance. It is also the reason I think that Scola will never wear a Spurs uniform. If Scola does not come over this year, he is never going to be a Spur.

Disagree that it HAS to be an international prospect at #28 because it comprimises the '08 plan...

The two primary domestic PGs being looked at by the Spurs, Gabe Pruitt and Zabian Dowdell, are versatile enough to play both guard positions, so they actually fill two potential needs (one immediate need at PG and the other a future need at SG).

Also, while the money for a late first round pick is guaranteed, it is not decidedly much larger than an early second rounder would likely receive...especially in the first couple years.

My point is that if the Spurs are really sold on one of the two domestic point guards enough, they'll take them at 28 regardless of the future cap considerations.

[mountainballer]

Disagree that it HAS to be an international prospect at #28 because it comprimises the '08 plan...

The two primary domestic PGs being looked at by the Spurs, Gabe Pruitt and Zabian Dowdell, are versatile enough to play both guard positions, so they actually fill two potential needs (one immediate need at PG and the other a future need at SG).

Also, while the money for a late first round pick is guaranteed, it is not decidedly much larger than an early second rounder would likely receive...especially in the first couple years.

My point is that if the Spurs are really sold on one of the two domestic point guards enough, they'll take them at 28 regardless of the future cap considerations.


agree. beside the point that IMO, that this "2008 plan" is just a myth, (the Spurs will never signe another big contract when they pay 40 million to the big 3), the money to pay a late 1st rounder is about the same as the veteran minimum.
as PT says, they will take a player they like. if all players on their list are gone at this point, they might think about some other strategies. but it would be stupid to decide by cap considerations in the fist place.

[degenerate_gambler]

i've tried to keep tabs of this thread as best i can, so if this has been asked previously, i apologize. but...


anyone know if the spurs have the spurs worked out mario boggans from okla. state?

[Darkwaters]

anyone know if the spurs have the spurs worked out mario boggans from okla. state?

They might have but nobody has said anything. All of the known workouts are listed in the first post of this massive thread.

[Rustyman]

The two primary domestic PGs being looked at by the Spurs, Gabe Pruitt and Zabian Dowdell, are versatile enough to play both guard positions, so they actually fill two potential needs (one immediate need at PG and the other a future need at SG).



I seriously doubt that there is sufficient minutes for a rookie SG/PG on next year's squad. There are about 10 minutes backing up Tony Parker and for that Vaughn or a similar player suffices, especially if Beno stays for another year.

At SG you have Finley starting with Manu playing the bulk of the minutes and Barry also playing some and White needing minutes next year at the SG/SF spot. I just don't see where the playing time is coming from for a rookie, especially a first round rookie that if he stinks, you still have to live with a 4 year commitment.

Look at Beno, the Spurs would trade him for a 2nd rounder in an instant and if so, there is where I think the combo guard is picked. However, with Beno still on the squad and with 3 years experience of the Spurs system, I simply don't see the need for a combo guard.

Also, I do think the 2008 plan is valid issue. The Spurs won't be adding a marque free agent next year, but they could add a couple of pieces at SG/SF that would be starters but would not cost more 8-10 million combined. That should see the team through to the end of the Duncan era in 4-5 years.

[Mr. Body]

Rusty - Beno's time on the Spurs is done. It's a matter of where the Spurs dump him at this point.

A rookie PG, combo or otherwise, is needed for a future back-up. Whether he starts stealing time from Vaughn next year or plays more the year after, it's a priority. Vaughn was always intended as a third stringer, in any case, but Beno's fecklessness got in the way of plans.

[Rustyman]

Rusty - Beno's time on the Spurs is done. It's a matter of where the Spurs dump him at this point.

A rookie PG, combo or otherwise, is needed for a future back-up. Whether he starts stealing time from Vaughn next year or plays more the year after, it's a priority. Vaughn was always intended as a third stringer, in any case, but Beno's fecklessness got in the way of plans.

Is Beno's deal for next year a team option or not? If so, I can see the possibility of the Spurs dumping him, however, the Spurs are a pretty frugal organization and if they cannot get anyone to play the 2nd/3rd PG for Beno money, I think they keep him.

Also, if Beno has a guaranteed contract for next year, I think it is almost a certainty the Spurs don't cut him. They may do all in their power to trade him for a bag of nuts but they are unlikely to swallow his salary and get nothing in return. Just my 2 cents.

[Mr. Body]

Next year is guaranteed. They sweated the decision before last season, when they had to pick it up. In retrospect I'm sure they regret it, but they may get something for him yet. I'm pretty sure they will; otherwise, yeah, they have a tough decision whether to cut him or let him tag along for another year, wasting a roster spot.

[mountainballer]

There are about 10 minutes backing up Tony Parker and for that Vaughn or a similar player suffices, especially if Beno stays for another year.


sorry, no insult, but this calculation is just wrong.
no team plays exclusivly either the starting PG, or his back-up instead of him.
neither do the Spurs.
it's a question of rotations. so you can't claim, that there are only 10 minutes to give to this back-up, whoever he is.
the perfect back-up (who the Spurs didn't have for....can't remember) will open additional options about rotations and line ups (play also alongside Tony who moves to SG, or play some SG himself...), he would be a 20 minutes player. just take Beno's minutes and reduce Barry's to 15 and you've got the missing playing time.
the fact that the Spurs have won it all this year, doesn't tell that there isn't still room for improvement. and the back-up PG area is obviously such an improvement area.

[AFBlue]

Is Beno's deal for next year a team option or not? If so, I can see the possibility of the Spurs dumping him, however, the Spurs are a pretty frugal organization and if they cannot get anyone to play the 2nd/3rd PG for Beno money, I think they keep him.

Also, if Beno has a guaranteed contract for next year, I think it is almost a certainty the Spurs don't cut him. They may do all in their power to trade him for a bag of nuts but they are unlikely to swallow his salary and get nothing in return. Just my 2 cents.


Like it or not Rusty, it's clear that the Spurs are targeting a PG in the upcoming draft. Whether that player is international (Koponen) or domestic (Pruitt, Dowdell, etc.), it is more than likely they will be drafting a PG in the draft on Thursday.

That means they're not sold on Beno being on this team, and I think he'll be gone by training camp.

[mountainballer]

That means they're not sold on Beno being on this team, and I think he'll be gone by training camp.

I hope he's gone on draft night.
(as a part of a package we use to either trade up, or part of a package of one of our picks for a decent player)

[A.H 21-50]

I hope he's gone on draft night.
(as a part of a package we use to either trade up, or part of a package of one of our picks for a decent player)

The Cavs has shown interest in Beno, He could be shopped for a 2nd round pick
And as Tony Phat said the Spurs Will probably draft a PG during this draft , they did a lot of workouts with some pg's and twice with some of them.

Rusty if we look now the spurs roster , they will not be a lot a roster spot available but the FO might know who will go and who will stay and it will also depends on oberto , scola situations and mahinmi's situation with his injury...
so nothing done yet

A lot of options for this draft.......

[K-State Spur]

Besides that, the comparison just doesn't hold water...

Drew Gooden is a PF and will be a PF for his entire career. Julian Wright may have played the majority of his minutes at PF (which is why it's understandable that his jumpshot is underdeveloped), but his long-term position in the NBA is SF.

Wright may be a project as a SF, but he's a smart player, hard worker, and incredible athlete with a bright future....I would love him on this team!

Wright's going to be used more as a light PF in this league once teams accept that his range and and handle are worse than many centers.

[coopdogg3]

agree. beside the point that IMO, that this "2008 plan" is just a myth, (the Spurs will never signe another big contract when they pay 40 million to the big 3), the money to pay a late 1st rounder is about the same as the veteran minimum.
as PT says, they will take a player they like. if all players on their list are gone at this point, they might think about some other strategies. but it would be stupid to decide by cap considerations in the fist place.


I agree, I think the 2008 Master Plan is a fairy tale. So this is a crucial off-season where they need to bring in some new talent to replace all the pieces that will be missing next year. Hopefully they can add a piece or 2 of that puzzle during the draft.

[mountainballer]

I agree, I think the 2008 Master Plan is a fairy tale. So this is a crucial off-season where they need to bring in some new talent to replace all the pieces that will be missing next year. Hopefully they can add a piece or 2 of that puzzle during the draft.

yes. and they won't want to repleace 5 or 6 regular rotation players next summer, they will be smart enough to stretch the rebuilding process of the supporting cast over two summers. tha's why I'm sure we will see some new (younger) faces this year.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Wright's going to be used more as a light PF in this league once teams accept that his range and and handle are worse than many centers.Spoken like a true K-State fan. I think Julian Wright is the third best player in this draft. His basketball IQ is off the charts and he's an outstanding passer. He's the type of guy who makes his teammates better with his passing and vision, and there aren't a lot of them at his size. There's nothing wrong with his handle. Dude played point guard in high school. Once his range improves, he's going to be an All-Star.

[K-State Spur]

Spoken like a true K-State fan. I think Julian Wright is the third best player in this draft. His basketball IQ is off the charts and he's an outstanding passer. He's the type of guy who makes his teammates better with his passing and vision, and there aren't a lot of them at his size. There's nothing wrong with his handle. Dude played point guard in high school. Once his range improves, he's going to be an All-Star.

Nothing to do with being a KSU fan (except that I may have seen him play more than many on this board). He is a great passer, good shot blocker, decent rebounder, and a solid defender. But his handle does suck and his range literally ends at 5 feet out.

And people talking about Affalo not coming to play in some games, that's nothing compared to Wright. Wright had ELEVEN (11!) games this past year where he totaled less than 8 pts AND less than 7 rebounds.

In the 2 biggest games of the year:
vs. SIU - 7 pts, 3 boards, 1 assist
vs. UCLA - 8 pts, 5 boards, 4 assists, and a couple blown layups

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Nothing to do with being a KSU fan (except that I may have seen him play more than many on this board). He is a great passer, good shot blocker, decent rebounder, and a solid defender. But his handle does suck and his range literally ends at 5 feet out.

And people talking about Affalo not coming to play in some games, that's nothing compared to Wright. Wright had ELEVEN (11!) games this past year where he totaled less than 8 pts AND less than 7 rebounds.

In the 2 biggest games of the year:
vs. SIU - 7 pts, 3 boards, 1 assist
vs. UCLA - 8 pts, 5 boards, 4 assists, and a couple blown layupsI'm going to respectfully disagree with your opinion on his handle. I know that I'm in the minority with my high opinion of him. I just think he's the type of guy that the numbers don't bear out how good he is and how he can impact the game. He also played on a team where he didn't have to be the man scoring every night, and could defer to his teammates and do other things to help his team win. You can teach someone to be a better shooter. You can't teach someone how to anticipate how a defender is going to move and hit a cutter in stride. It's difficult to teach guys who are used to dominating the ball how to be a good teammate and move without the ball. Wright just knows how to play the game. The only real shortcomings that he has are his strength and jumpshot. I don't see any reason why they both won't improve with time.

[Mr. Body]

Flatly stated, Julian Wright is the long 3 we've so badly needed.

Not that he'd be available.

[coopdogg3]

Flatly stated, Julian Wright is the long 3 we've so badly needed.

Not that he'd be available.


I think Durant is the long 3 that we so badly need. :lol

I would prefer Brewer to Wright. Not that it matters in the least bit.

[Mr. Body]

I think Durant is the long 3 that we so badly need. :lol

I would prefer Brewer to Wright. Not that it matters in the least bit.

I think the whole conversation started because Julian Wright was tumbling down the draft boards. Sure, I'd rather have Brewer, but he's guaranteed to be gone by the top 10. J. Wright stands a good chance of falling out of the lottery.

[K-State Spur]

Flatly stated, Julian Wright is the long 3 we've so badly needed.

Not that he'd be available.

His inability to hit knock down open shots would really hurt there. (Not that there is no way that he can get any better, but I don't think you can bank on him developing a reliable perimeter game either.)

As great as Bowen has been on the defensive end, if he's not hitting that corner 3, his value is greatly diminished.

[coopdogg3]

I think the whole conversation started because Julian Wright was tumbling down the draft boards. Sure, I'd rather have Brewer, but he's guaranteed to be gone by the top 10. J. Wright stands a good chance of falling out of the lottery.

Really?? Wow, I need to go catch up on my NBA Draft. I can't believe Wright would drop that far.

[Bruno]

http://draftexpress.com/workout.php?year=2007&sort=0&pid=0&tid=20

Gabe Pruitt, Sun Yue and DJ Strawberry will work out with Spurs on June 25th.

[AFBlue]

http://draftexpress.com/workout.php?year=2007&sort=0&pid=0&tid=20

Gabe Pruitt, Sun Yue and DJ Strawberry will work out with Spurs on June 25th.

Pruitt in for a second look....I really like the possibility of him on this team.

[timvp]

http://draftexpress.com/workout.php?year=2007&sort=0&pid=0&tid=20

Gabe Pruitt, Sun Yue and DJ Strawberry will work out with Spurs on June 25th.

Interesting. Are we sure this is a second look for Pruitt? If it is, perhaps there was something to the rumors of the Spurs liking him.

Yue and Strawberry are both pretty good options at 58. Strawberry has been telling teams he can be a Bruce Bowen type player. I guess the Spurs will see first hand.

[Mr. Body]

Still it's weird a rumor of a 'promise' for Pruitt came about.

Like timvp says, Strawberry and Yue are two guys for the 58 pick, which suggests they're ready to use it on a domestic player. Of course it'll be a continuum, depending on whether they draft a foreign guy earlier. As I've thought for a while, they may be looking to add two rookies this offseason.

[timvp]

Still it's weird a rumor of a 'promise' for Pruitt came about.

Like timvp says, Strawberry and Yue are two guys for the 58 pick, which suggests they're ready to use it on a domestic player. Of course it'll be a continuum, depending on whether they draft a foreign guy earlier. As I've thought for a while, they may be looking to add two rookies this offseason.

I think Yue and Strawberry are more a matter of just taking a look at everyone. They may be in the mix at 58 but most likely not because the Spurs don't have the roster space.

Although Yue or Strawberry may agree to hone their skills overseas a la Derrick Dial, which would make them more intriguing to the Spurs.

[picnroll]

They've been bringing Strawberry in some with the PGs like Pruitt, Koponen and Dowdell. Maybe to see how these PGs handle defensive pressure.

[pad300]

I think Yue and Strawberry are more a matter of just taking a look at everyone. They may be in the mix at 58 but most likely not because the Spurs don't have the roster space.

Although Yue or Strawberry may agree to hone their skills overseas a la Derrick Dial, which would make them more intriguing to the Spurs.

I'm pretty sure Yue would be willing to go overseas. If we could get him a decent spot to develop, it' not like he's at home now... Strawberry I don't know about. He might prefer to stay home and try the D-league.

[Darkwaters]

I've been pimping the DJ Strawberry idea for a while. I would love to grab him up. If he goes to Europe for a year or two to get better then I'd like it even more.

Chumpdumper was the first to mention Sun Yue and I like him as well. He would have to be willing to stay overseas (and play in a more difficult league) but he would be intriguing as can be.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder if a Ricky Sanchez deal is possible with these players -- have them play in the D-League on their own without actually being signed -- or was Sanchez just grandfathered in since the Idaho was a CBA team before coming into the D-League. Something like that might work for Yue if the Chinese cover alot of his expenses anyway.

[AFBlue]

From Chad Ford's latest. I thought this tidbit was interesting, given that some have said the Spurs would likely trade their first rounder...here are some teams reportedly looking to get in the first round mix. Granted, most of the suggestions are for higher picks....but what, if anything, do you think the Spurs could get out of these teams?



• Several teams, including the Cavs, Mavs, Pacers and Raptors, are trying to figure out how to get into the first round.

The Cavs and Mavs, unfortunately, don't have a lot of assets with which to move up. A couple of the Cavs' best young players -- Anderson Varejao and Sasha Pavlovic -- are hitting free agency. The Mavs could offer Jason Terry, but I don't think anyone's giving up a high pick for him.

The Pacers have a lot more trade bait. Jermaine O'Neal is still available and could help the Pacers land pick No. 19 from the Lakers or possibly No. 17 from the Nets as part of a larger trade. And the Pacers also have a $4 million dollar trade exception that they picked up in the Al Harrington deal. That means they could approach a cash-strapped team like Phoenix, offer to take a salary under $4 million off their hands and get pick No. 24 or No. 29 for doing it.

The Raptors also have some ammunition, point guard Jose Calderon. He is on the last year of his contract, and with T.J. Ford's extension kicking in, it's unlikely that the Raptors will be willing to fork over the cash next year.

Calderon could be a valuable trade chip to move Toronto into the late lottery to mid-first round. The Hawks at No. 11, the Wizards at No. 16, the Lakers at No. 19, the Heat at No. 20 and the Knicks at No. 23 are all looking for point guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2915918&name=ford_chad

[pad300]

More General Reading - NBADraft.net's positional ratings:
SF's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007smallforwards001.asp
SG's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007shootingguards001.asp
and PG's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007pointguards001.asp

I will note that I am not as impressed by NBADraft.net's analysis as with Draftexpress and Hoopsanalyst.

Further Question I previously asked regarding what the audience would consider a fair value of picks for Scolas' rights. A follow up - who out there would do either 31 and 35 for Scola (from Seattle) or 37 and 42 for Scola (from Portland)? Particularly in light of the Oberto opt-out and potential Finley opt-out, we might be looking for some cheap parts for at least a year, maybe 2...

[AFBlue]

Further Question I previously asked regarding what the audience would consider a fair value of picks for Scolas' rights. A follow up - who out there would do either 31 and 35 for Scola (from Seattle) or 37 and 42 for Scola (from Portland)? Particularly in light of the Oberto opt-out and potential Finley opt-out, we might be looking for some cheap parts for at least a year, maybe 2...

Not impossible, but the Spurs are much more likely to fill their roster with veterans, than with a bunch of young guys. I think the Spurs are likely to go international with one of their picks already (though I don't think it's a given), so it's hard for me to believe they would add more picks.

[AFBlue]

A few interesting quick hitters from ESPNs Andy Katz....

The one BIG rumor going around after the Suns scheduled workouts with Noah, Brewer, and Brendan Wright was that they were close to a deal to move into the top 10...both Ford and Katz commented as such.


Quick hitters on the draft:


• LSU junior forward Glen Davis is skyrocketing up the draft and New Jersey is very interested in Davis selecting at No. 17. The Nets, according to sources, are high on Davis, Colorado State's Jason Smith or former Boston College center Sean Williams. Davis has worked out for New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Utah, Miami, Golden State, Washington, Houston and was at Detroit Monday.


• The rumors of a promise to DePaul's Wilson Chandler to New York at No. 23 may be misdirected. According to sources, Chandler's guarantee is actually more likely with one of Phoenix's late first-round picks at No. 24 or 29.


• A number of teams told ESPN.com that they believed USC's Gabe Pruitt has a bottom-guarantee from Miami at No. 20.


• After talking to a number of teams Monday, the consensus was that the biggest slider in the first round could be Kansas' Julian Wright, who could fall to Washington at No. 16.

[tempest186]

Green Room invitees for the draft

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46680/20070625/stuckey_the_surprise_of_the_green_room_list/

· Corey Brewer (Florida)
· Michael Conley (Ohio St.)
· Kevin Durant (Texas)
· Jeff Green (Georgetown)
· Spencer Hawes (Washington)
· Al Horford (Florida)
· Yi Jianlian (China)
· Acie Law IV (Texas A&M)
· Joakim Noah (Florida)
· Greg Oden (Ohio St.)
· Rodney Stuckey (Eastern Washington)
· Al Thornton (Florida St.)
· Brandan Wright (North Carolina)
· Julian Wright (Kansas)
· Nick Young (USC) [READ]

[Mr. Body]

What the heck is a "bottom-guarantee"?

[AFBlue]

What the heck is a "bottom-guarantee"?

Googling right now....

[pad300]

Interesting article pointed out by TrueHoop:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/sports/24cnd-danley.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

[pad300]

Not impossible, but the Spurs are much more likely to fill their roster with veterans, than with a bunch of young guys. I think the Spurs are likely to go international with one of their picks already (though I don't think it's a given), so it's hard for me to believe they would add more picks.

Actually, I was thinking more in terms of 2008. Consider having 28, 33, 37, 42, and 58 in 2007, and 28 and 58 in 2008. Assume Oberto and Finley both opt out for more money and years elsewhere...

In 2k7 our roster looks currently :

Bigs: Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler,
Wings: Barry, Bowen, Manu, White
PG's: Parker, Beno

Random guess at a mock, trying not to be too crazy (work off of Draftexpress)
Pick # 28 Koponen, Stash in Europe for 1 year
#33 Dominic Mcguire - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#37 Demetris Nichols - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#42 Ramon Sessions - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#58 Ali Traore, Stash in Europe

Bigs - Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler, Javtokas (2 years, 2nd year team option), Vet Min Big
Wings - Barry,Bowen,White, Manu, Mcguire, Nichols
PG's - Parker, Sessions, Vaughn (resigned).

Dump Beno somehow as a trade...

Guaranteed contracts in 2k8
In 2K8
Bigs - Tim
Wings - Manu
PG's - Parker

Options
Bigs - Javtokas, Butler
Wings - McGuire, Nichols
PGs - Sessions

+ a bunch of capspace (1 big FA + smaller deals)

Exceptions that Don't count against cap
1st Round picks - Mahnimi, Koponen, 2008 1st
The key value here is that there is an exception to sign 1st round picks with guaranteed contracts -

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19

ROOKIE EXCEPTION -- Teams may sign their first round draft picks to rookie "scale" contracts even if they will be over the cap as a result (see question number 41).

This gives the Spurs 3 players they can sign in 2008 above and beyond the salary cap limits...Leaving them more space for that big FA signing. The 2nd round rookie contracts from the 07 draft are all team options, so they only keep the players who worked out...

[Darkwaters]

Actually, I was thinking more in terms of 2008. Consider having 28, 33, 37, 42, and 58 in 2007, and 28 and 58 in 2008. Assume Oberto and Finley both opt out for more money and years elsewhere...

In 2k7 our roster looks currently :

Bigs: Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler,
Wings: Barry, Bowen, Manu, White
PG's: Parker, Beno

Random guess at a mock, trying not to be too crazy (work off of Draftexpress)
Pick # 28 Koponen, Stash in Europe for 1 year
#33 Dominic Mcguire - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#37 Demetris Nichols - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#42 Ramon Sessions - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#58 Ali Traore, Stash in Europe

Bigs - Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler, Javtokas (2 years, 2nd year team option), Vet Min Big
Wings - Barry,Bowen,White, Manu, Mcguire, Nichols
PG's - Parker, Sessions, Vaughn (resigned).

Dump Beno somehow as a trade...

Guaranteed contracts in 2k8
In 2K8
Bigs - Tim
Wings - Manu
PG's - Parker

Options
Bigs - Javtokas, Butler
Wings - McGuire, Nichols
PGs - Sessions

+ a bunch of capspace (1 big FA + smaller deals)

Exceptions that Don't count against cap
1st Round picks - Mahnimi, Koponen, 2008 1st
The key value here is that there is an exception to sign 1st round picks with guaranteed contracts -

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19


This gives the Spurs 3 players they can sign in 2008 above and beyond the salary cap limits...Leaving them more space for that big FA signing. The 2nd round rookie contracts from the 07 draft are all team options, so they only keep the players who worked out...


Problem number 1: Why does Seattle trade the 31 and the 35 for Scola again? Frankly, to work that deal Mahinmi would HAVE to be included. And frankly, judging by the huge rebuilding job that they have ahead of them out there, I don't know that they want another young big and would be willing to sacrifice two great draft picks in this deep draft.

[Bruno]

Exceptions that Don't count against cap
1st Round picks - Mahnimi, Koponen, 2008 1st


You're again wrong.
1st round pick count against the cap wether they are signed or unsigned. The point of the CBA FAQ that you use just say that team over the cap can sign first round picks.

And please, stop posting your fantasy plans in this thread, it's not draft related.

[mountainballer]

Interesting article pointed out by TrueHoop:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/sports/24cnd-danley.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

this was really a great read and very interesting. this Stephen Danley is obviously a very talented writer.
I liked the part about Nichols. during the last weeks I also wondered why Nichols isn't moving up the boards a bit. for us this is good, so he will stay in our reach. he worked out for the Spurs, so there is at least some interest at their side.
Nichols has all the tools to become a very good defender (his lane agility test was superb, best time of the last 4 years) and obviously he is a very good shooter, probably the best of all players in this draft. he has written "great role player" all over him.
considering his skill set, he would be a great fit. he doesn't need to be a great ball handler, or create his own shot, when playing alongside the players the Spurs currently have. his role could be defined very similar to Bowen's.

[Mr. Body]

Nichols could be the Spurs' sleeper. We should move up this thread.