Reasonable trade ideas

[Axl Van Dam]

I think someone like Marquis Daniels would be a good fill in for the position, plus he knows the Mavs system

:toast I agree on this one. :toast

[Axl Van Dam]

The trade the spurs need to make is Beno and Finley to the Clippers for Sam Cassell.

Sam will give the spurs a great mid range jumpshot and add some huevos to the lineup.

:nope Sammy's a freakin' ballhog. :nope

[johnpaulwall21]

gollum wouldnt want to share his precious with Tim, Manu, and Tony

[RonMexico]

Marcus Banks for Beno or Jacque Vaughn and we'll pay half of Tony's contract.

[AFBlue]

Pistons arent letting him go

It's not that the Pistons wouldn't let him go, they just wouldn't let him go to the Spurs...or any other contending team for that matter.

Plus, they are looking to trade Flip Murray and one of their "bigs" alot more than Delfino...they need a backup PG almost worse that the Spurs do.

[AFBlue]

Marcus Banks for Beno or Jacque Vaughn and we'll pay half of Tony's contract.

We'll give you an expiring contract (Williams) for Banks.....plus one of your first rounders

Seriously though...

Williams + Bonner for Banks + Jumaine Jones

Fills two needs for Spurs and gets rid of one unwanted long-term contract for Suns. Would it happen?

[rascal]

Telfair may be the easiest to get off Boston now. He is currently third on Boston's pg depth chart. He started the season as the starter.


Maybe worth a shot for the spurs if the cost is low. Still like Arroyo as the better option.

[rascal]

20 pages of trade ideas and the spurs likely won't do anything.

[AFBlue]

PG Available - What it would take:

Atkins - Picks, Beno, and/or Oberto
Arroyo - Williams' expiring contract
Banks - Williams' expiring contract
Watson - Williams' expiring contract + Beno

There would probably be more to each trade than mentioned, but I would guess that the Spurs have the means to make any of these trades. Which, if any, benefits the Spurs the most?

I don't have a personal favorite b/c they all come with risks:

Atkins - Best for short-term, but him leaving this off-season means the Spurs will have to make backup PG a priority during the summer--not a good situation with Scola likely taking up most MLE and the 2007 draft being weakest at PG.

Arroyo - Solid but unspectacular, he would provide a legit short-term backup, but he doesn't come without his headaches. Still, he seems to be the best option.

Banks - Excellent defender with most upside of group, but could also be the biggest bust of the group (contrast play @ Min & Phx) and has a long-term contract (though not high $$), which increases the risk.

Watson - Best overall player of the group, but is only in the second season of a 5yr, $30M deal. That's alot of cheese for a 12-15MPG player.

Given what the Spurs are willing to trade, I would honestly pull the trigger on any one of these deals. Which one do you prefer?

[AFBlue]

Telfair may be the easiest to get off Boston now. He is currently third on Boston's pg depth chart. He started the season as the starter.


Maybe worth a shot for the spurs if the cost is low. Still like Arroyo as the better option.

The reason I didn't include Telfair is b/c I've seen nothing to indicate they'd trade him, plus they gave up a #7 pick for him just this last year, so I think that'd be a big pill to swallow if they sold him off for cap space or whatever.

[Mr. Body]

PG Available - What it would take:

Atkins - Picks, Beno, and/or Oberto
Arroyo - Williams' expiring contract
Banks - Williams' expiring contract
Watson - Williams' expiring contract + Beno

There would probably be more to each trade than mentioned, but I would guess that the Spurs have the means to make any of these trades. Which, if any, benefits the Spurs the most?

I don't have a personal favorite b/c they all come with risks:

Atkins - Best for short-term, but him leaving this off-season means the Spurs will have to make backup PG a priority during the summer--not a good situation with Scola likely taking up most MLE and the 2007 draft being weakest at PG.

Arroyo - Solid but unspectacular, he would provide a legit short-term backup, but he doesn't come without his headaches. Still, he seems to be the best option.

Banks - Excellent defender with most upside of group, but could also be the biggest bust of the group (contrast play @ Min & Phx) and has a long-term contract (though not high $$), which increases the risk.

Watson - Best overall player of the group, but is only in the second season of a 5yr, $30M deal. That's alot of cheese for a 12-15MPG player.

Given what the Spurs are willing to trade, I would honestly pull the trigger on any one of these deals. Which one do you prefer?

The FO categorically will not take on salary beyond 2008, so Watson is out, and I think Banks, too. Atkins may be a solution.

I see them trying to draft somebody with the Milwaukee pick this draft. There's an outside chance a Law or Shakur drops, and guys like CS-Fullerton's Bobby Brown will probably be available at that pick. If they can get one of the better points (like Law) without using their first, they'll try to dump Udrih. If they have to go deeper, they'll probably keep Udrih around unless they can find a better veteran point.

Slim pickens, ya'll.

[MrChug]

I have to admit that I'm sick of every other moron on this site trying to bring over every f'ing Argentinean to the Spurs thinking that they're a "gem" like Manu. There IS only one Manu. The way most were talking you would have thought that Fab Oberto was going to IMMEDIATELY come in and be the next Ben Wallace or something. Who have we NOT heard this season? Scola, Nocioni, Delfino, Herrman? Come on...TOGETHER they can play. They really can. But stop thinking these players are the answer to our dillemmas. They're ON teams but other than Noc they're NOT playing FOR A REASON.

[ArgSpursFan]

I have to admit that I'm sick of every other moron on this site trying to bring over every f'ing Argentinean to the Spurs thinking that they're a "gem" like Manu. There IS only one Manu. The way most were talking you would have thought that Fab Oberto was going to IMMEDIATELY come in and be the next Ben Wallace or something. Who have we NOT heard this season? Scola, Nocioni, Delfino, Herrman? Come on...TOGETHER they can play. They really can. But stop thinking these players are the answer to our dillemmas. They're ON teams but other than Noc they're NOT playing FOR A REASON.

They´re not Gems,like you said,but they´re are reliable and good work ethics,team oriented and not spensive players.
ohhh,by the way.Argentina is the last Olympics GOLD medal in basketball,Just for the record.

[Bruno]

PG Available - What it would take:

Atkins - Picks, Beno, and/or Oberto
Arroyo - Williams' expiring contract
Banks - Williams' expiring contract
Watson - Williams' expiring contract + Beno


I won't give Oberto or a first round pick or Bucks second round pick for Atkins, he is old, he will be a six month rental and is not that good.

Another player that you can add to your list is Brevin Knight.

If Spurs want are ready to take Banks and his contract, they should try to get Jumaine Jones with him.

[Mr. Body]

Taking Banks and that contract will probably have large detrimental effects within two years. I'd rather have that money available down the road.

[AFBlue]

Another player that you can add to your list is Brevin Knight.

I thought seriously about including Knight, but I hadn't heard much in the rumor mill about him lately (probably b/c he's coming off injury). Also, it's tough to gauge what the Bobcats are looking for. Knight is an expiring contract, as well as Ely and several others, so they wouldn't take back dead weight expiring contracts. I think they'd actually want prospects and what are the Spurs willing to give up?


If Spurs want are ready to take Banks and his contract, they should try to get Jumaine Jones with him.

Agreed here. Posted earlier was Williams + Bonner for Banks + Jones...maybe they'd sweeten the deal with one of their first round picks, but that's me wishing...

[AFBlue]

Taking Banks and that contract will probably have large detrimental effects within two years. I'd rather have that money available down the road.

I think it'd pay off if he played like he did in Minnesota...too bad the Suns are getting "vintage" Banks of Celtic era, which doesn't place my confidence level very high that he'll revert to last season's level.

[Supergirl]

Yeah, the only one Boston is likely to give up is Telfair. However, they ARE talking about trading Al Jefferson, their best player right now, so maybe Delonte West is a possibility.

Also, Boston would be a good trade partner because they have a lot of young kids and need some veterans, and we could use some youth.

As much as I love Barry, I would trade Barry and Udrih for Delonte West in a heartbeat. And Barry could really help steady a young team like Boston.

[mardigan]

Brevin Knight is pretty damn old himself

[AFBlue]

Yeah, the only one Boston is likely to give up is Telfair. However, they ARE talking about trading Al Jefferson, their best player right now, so maybe Delonte West is a possibility.

Also, Boston would be a good trade partner because they have a lot of young kids and need some veterans, and we could use some youth.

As much as I love Barry, I would trade Barry and Udrih for Delonte West in a heartbeat. And Barry could really help steady a young team like Boston.

Agreed that one of their three PG have to go and that Telfair seems the most likely to exit, but I wonder how much Ainge would ask...seeing as how he surrendured the #7 pick in last year's draft for him.

I think Pop pretty much ruled out trading Barry or any of the primary reserves with his "no 6, 7, or 8 players" comment. But I think you're right that it would take Barry to pull off a trade for one of their young guys.

Delonte as a combo guard would be great, but I think the Celts have really fallen in love with him. The Al Jefferson trades mentioned are for big fish like Garnett, Gasol, etc. I don't think they'd trade Jefferson, Pierce, Green, or West without getting a legit superstar for a package including them.

[AFBlue]

Brevin Knight is pretty damn old himself

He's no spring chicken, but he's a classic backup PG (energy, unselfishness, knows limitations) and he's on an expiring contract so if he doesn't work out, the Spurs could always let him go.

[ChumpDumper]

PT is right. Boston is only going to trade their young guys for a franchise-type player like Gasol. Getting Barry will do absolutely nothing for that team or Ainge's job security.

[MrChug]

They´re not Gems,like you said,but they´re are reliable and good work ethics,team oriented and not spensive players.
ohhh,by the way.Argentina is the last Olympics GOLD medal in basketball,Just for the record.

I'm completely aware of that Arg. No where in my post did I make any disrespectful reference to their team play. In fact, I enjoyed watching them far more than any other team...I thought it was great basketball. I'm just not a fan of thinking that if we re-create the entire national team plus Tim Duncan we can win it all.

[Texas_Ranger]

Trade Oberto and Elson for some good center, because they both suck.

[regio]

Manu for David Lee or Balkman + Crawford. That trade would make the spurs more versatile because Crawford can play both point guard and shooting guard and Lee (or Balkman) brings hustle and rebounding plus they can play small forward or power forward.

[cdcast]

If the Spurs don't trade EWill's expiring contract for ANYONE- that's way irresponsible.

Two big men they should look at: Hunter or J. Smith from the Sixers.
Philly's way over the cap and Hunter's still got 3 yrs. left after this one. They need to clear cap space.

Oberto, Vaughn, and a future pick for Hunter
Oberto and Vaughn have expiring contracts.

EWill for a backup PG. At this point, anyone's better than Beno.

As for a SF. There's nothing out there right now. Have to live with what they got.
This summer, there's gonna be some good SFs available.

[dg7md]

Steven Hunter would be nice, he's a really good rebounder.

[RonMexico]

We'll give you an expiring contract (Williams) for Banks.....plus one of your first rounders

Seriously though...

Williams + Bonner for Banks + Jumaine Jones

Fills two needs for Spurs and gets rid of one unwanted long-term contract for Suns. Would it happen?

I'll propose it to RC tomorrow. I really want Banks to work out, but dammit, you gotta show me something besides 0-4 againt Minnesota on the road. Bonner can shoot (I actually signed him on my Suns franchise on xbox), and Williams will expire/do as much as Jumaine Jones will.

[RC's Boss]

Manu for David Lee or Balkman + Crawford. That trade would make the spurs more versatile because Crawford can play both point guard and shooting guard and Lee (or Balkman) brings hustle and rebounding plus they can play small forward or power forward.
I'D PREFER Q OVER CRAWFORD HE HAS NO STRUCTURE AND 0 D

[AFBlue]

Manu for David Lee or Balkman + Crawford. That trade would make the spurs more versatile because Crawford can play both point guard and shooting guard and Lee (or Balkman) brings hustle and rebounding plus they can play small forward or power forward.

The difference between those two, both in talent and trade value, is HUGE (think Grand Canyon-sized gap). The Spurs FO would be nuts to pull off the trade including Balkman, but your Lee + Crawford deal isn't bad...almost feasible.


I'D PREFER Q OVER CRAWFORD HE HAS NO STRUCTURE AND 0 D

Crawford is more talented, but he has to be put in check and controlled better. He seemed to adjust the best to Larry Brown's authoritative style and showed signs that he could actually be a scorer, not just a shooter. He also has less of an injury history.



Having said all that, I think Isaiah is operating under the assumption that his fate is tied to the team he has assembled. If he ultimately gets the axe, look for Dolan to start selling off some of the pieces, but until then I doubt the Knicks do much of anything.

[AFBlue]

I'll propose it to RC tomorrow. I really want Banks to work out, but dammit, you gotta show me something besides 0-4 againt Minnesota on the road. Bonner can shoot (I actually signed him on my Suns franchise on xbox), and Williams will expire/do as much as Jumaine Jones will.

yeah, he's the biggest risk, so I'm gonna need some compensation....say a swap of the Spurs first rounder for the Suns first rounder owed by the Cavs (8-10 spot improvement)...

How 'bout it, let's make a deal!

[mountainballer]

has there ever been a midseason/deadline trade, between the 2nd best and 3rd best team of the same conference?
I really can't see any chance, that something like this would happen. contending teams make trades to improve their teams and why should for example the Suns have any interest in helping the Spurs to improve.
(even if such a moves helps them to save money. they are not in cost reduction mode, they are in title winning mode)

[AFBlue]

has there ever been a midseason/deadline trade, between the 2nd best and 3rd best team of the same conference?
I really can't see any chance, that something like this would happen. contending teams make trades to improve their teams and why should for example the Suns have any interest in helping the Spurs to improve.
(even if such a moves helps them to save money. they are not in cost reduction mode, they are in title winning mode)

Agreed. The Chucky Atkins deal is the most likely for exactly that reason.

[mountainballer]

Agreed. The Chucky Atkins deal is the most likely for exactly that reason.

yes. don't know if you read the get Gasol thread.

( http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1423504#post1423504)

Bruno reported an interesting observation: West and Paxon were in France together yesterday and visited the Euroleague game of Pau.
(I commented, that they might have scouted another player, likely Jonas Maciulis, but who knows)
so we could speculate, that they are in talks about the big Gasol trade again and Spurs are included in such talks and are offering the Mahinmi rights (to which team?), for either a Grizzlies or a Bulls player.
quite a reach, but fun to think about a bit.

[AFBlue]

Anybody notice how Duhon has been benched and played very little in the last stretch of games? Does anyone know what's going on there...coach/player fued?

If so, then there would be no better time to snag him than now...

Tie in the Paxson sighting at a Pau Orthez game and you get this:

Duhon + Khryapa for Williams + Beno + Rights to Mahinmi

[Bruno]

Anybody notice how Duhon has been benched and played very little in the last stretch of games? Does anyone know what's going on there...coach/player fued?

He can't hit a shot since mid december.



Duhon + Khryapa for Williams + Beno + Rights to Mahinmi

No, I'm no ready to give up a good prospect like Mahinmi for two very average players.

[Mr. Body]

Anybody notice how Duhon has been benched and played very little in the last stretch of games? Does anyone know what's going on there...coach/player fued?


He sucks? My guess.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Beno+Williams+Oberto for Atkins+Swift. :smokin

[Texas_Ranger]

Beno+Williams+Oberto for Atkins+Swift. :smokin

I don't think that tey would accept this offer.

[AFBlue]

Beno+Williams+Oberto for Atkins+Swift. :smokin

Swift's ability and potential are intriguing, but he has yet to fully utilize that ability and realize that potential.

Last year in Houston, he had the perfect opportunity to secure a starting spot alongside Yao, but he failed to beat out an over-the-hill Juwan Howard. This year he's being outplayed by a younger version of himself in Hakim Warrick. The basic knock on him is low bbiq and lack of work ethic.

All that aside, what makes this deal most unlikely is the $5M+ he's owed until 2009, a sticking point with Spurs FO.

While it seems likely the Grizzlies will move him (why have two players with duplicate skill sets?), I'm not sure the Spurs FO would take him....not sure I would either.

[AFBlue]

I don't think that tey would accept this offer.

I guess it's public knowledge that Jerry West likes Oberto as a player, so there's already interest there.

Secondly, the Grizz have two players (Warrick and Swift) with similar skill sets and the cheaper one is outplaying the more expensive one.

Lastly, the Grizz could seriously be in salary dump mode to get further under the cap for this summer.

So I think the Grizzlies have enough motivation to pull this off, but again, I don't think the Spurs will be players if that acquisition takes place.

[mardigan]

What about James Posey? I just heard that since the Heat got Jones, they are looking to move Posey. He would be an absolutely great fit for our team

[FirebatMIV]

I am also intrigued by the idea of Chris Duhon. He might be Scott Skile's Beno Udrih, but he also doesn't force up as many shots and actually plays defense even when his offense stagnates. I think he's a good bet to rebound with a change of scenery.

Here's an idea involvin 3 teams

San Antonio Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.3 minutes

Beno Udrih
6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign)
5.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes

Incoming
Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
6.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 24.6 minutes

Viktor Khryapa
6-9 SF from Ukraine (Foreign)
2.2 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 7.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.1 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and +2.7 apg.



Memphis Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
19.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 33.0 minutes

Incoming
Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.3 minutes

P.J. Brown
6-11 PF from Louisiana Tech
5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -12.5 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

New York's #1 Pick for 2007.


Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
P.J. Brown
6-11 PF from Louisiana Tech
5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.9 minutes

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
6.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 24.6 minutes

Viktor Khryapa
6-9 SF from Ukraine (Foreign)
2.2 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 7.8 minutes

Incoming
Beno Udrih
6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign)
5.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes

Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
19.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 33.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +11.4 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and -0.7 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to San Antonio, Memphis, and Chicago being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio, Memphis, and Chicago had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


Memphis gets its a high pick and salary relief. The Spurs get two players who fit in the 2008 plan and fits needs and Chicago gets its inside scorer.

[Texas_Ranger]

Pop and the Spurs organisation sucks, so I think there will be no trades.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

What i wouldn't give right now for Stephen Jackson and a backup point guard

[Texas_Ranger]

We can release Oberto and sign Kevin Willis.

[mardigan]

We need a backup point gueard NOW. I mean tomorrow, asap, fucking get rid of these two worthless motherfuckers, I cant take it anymore. If I have two watch one more game with Beno and Vaughn Im going to drown myself in the San Antonio river. Atkins, Atkins, Atkins, RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

We can release Oberto and sign Kevin Willis.

He tore it up on Pro's vs. Joe's

[Texas_Ranger]

He tore it up on Pro's vs. Joe's


I know that he's got 45 or 44 years but he is better than Oberto in my opinion.

[mardigan]

Fuck, at least he can grab rebounds

[Mavschick]

We need a backup point gueard NOW. I mean tomorrow, asap, fucking get rid of these two worthless motherfuckers, I cant take it anymore. If I have two watch one more game with Beno and Vaughn Im going to drown myself in the San Antonio river. Atkins, Atkins, Atkins, RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

Isn't Brevin Knight being shopped around now that the 'Cats have McInnnis?

[Holt's Cat]

Isn't Brevin Knight being shopped around now that the 'Cats have McInnnis?

Nah, we aren't.

[Gros Membres!]

I think it's pointless to talk about trades when the fucking management won't make one.
+1
I look at this thread and laugh. If you were an owner of say, I don't know, the Pacers, would you want to take on the Beno Udrih project? The guy has had one of the best coaches in the league, had a great shooting coach, and played behind one of the better guards i the league. Beno has had time to learn and has proved himself incapable. The guy has little to no value in terms of receiving a player back in a trade. You might be able to look at an injury plagued team at the PG spot (say the Bucks) but I don't think you'll get anything back.

Barry is interesting but, again, comes with extensive baggage. The guy doesn't have a great contract for another team to take on considering the guy is in the twilight of his career. He is a one-dimensional player but a great one (yes, 3 point shooting). Barry could be more of a 6th man but is really more of a 7th man. Is he worth it is the question? My guess is to a lot of teams having a 35 (?) year old 7th man in the rotation with a difficult to swallow/trade contract is not going to be easy to find takers for.

Our best bet would be Scola if management hadn't f'd that situation up but, alas, who really knows what happened there outside of the involved parties.

I think we're stuck for this year and can only hope we don't continue to draft projects that will take 3-5 years to develop because we're scared (?) someone else might draft them down the line. Unfortunately, I do not see Mahimi being any more of an impact player than Elson is right now.

Call me a pessimist but I don't see any trades happening this year that will help us.

[AFBlue]

Isn't Brevin Knight being shopped around now that the 'Cats have McInnnis?

Haven't seen anything like that, but it's logical. Felton has played his way into starting PG for sure with Knight out, McInnis is a capable backup, and Knight will probably bolt this Summer, so if they could get something for him now, I think they'd pull the trigger.

The two issues; he's still injured and it's unclear what the Bobcats want...

[mountainballer]

The two issues; he's still injured and it's unclear what the Bobcats want...

Knight would be an (expensive) option, but with his unclear health status, it would be crazy to trade for him right now.
and the other issue about him is, that despite his 10 seasons he has almost no PO expirience and the few games he played are not exactly a commendation. (9 games, 1-8).

the Bobcats might be one of the few teams, that might pick some of our crap, because in the expansion draft, they have made some positive expriences with players, who were written off by other teams. (G. Wallace, Brezec, Knight). maybe they are interested in a player like Butler or even Beno. and they always like picks and we have a couple of second rounders to offer.

[Bruno]

Knight should be back tomorrow.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16603496.htm

[ctpsb]

What i wouldn't give right now for Stephen Jackson and a backup point guard

I've seen good ideas such as Maggette and Collison. I'll tell you what though, I don't think the Spurs have been the same as when they had SJax even when winning in 2005. He gives them size, athleticism, offense, defense and attitude (but not too much) at three spots as well as depth (start him or Manu other off the bench).

I loved Jackson being here. However they desperately need a center. I have posted on here and I don't know why Pop has fallen in love with small ball so much eschewing the center.

[AFBlue]

Knight should be back tomorrow.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16603496.htm

Awesome, thank Bruno! I've been looking for status update on him, but have been unable to find one.

[AFBlue]

Knight would be an (expensive) option, but with his unclear health status, it would be crazy to trade for him right now.
and the other issue about him is, that despite his 10 seasons he has almost no PO expirience and the few games he played are not exactly a commendation. (9 games, 1-8).

the Bobcats might be one of the few teams, that might pick some of our crap, because in the expansion draft, they have made some positive expriences with players, who were written off by other teams. (G. Wallace, Brezec, Knight). maybe they are interested in a player like Butler or even Beno. and they always like picks and we have a couple of second rounders to offer.

Knight is a heady pg who thinks pass first and despite his lack of playoff experience, I think he'd be a welcome veteran presence. He's not that expensive and his contract expires this year. But, I just don't see the Spurs having what the Bobcats want...

Beno is most likely damaged (mentally) for good and I'm pretty certain the Spurs couldn't pay someone to take him. Williams is an expiring contract, but so is Knight so they would gain nothing there. The Spurs have three frontcourt prospects (Butler, Scola, Mahinmi), but Charlotte seems pretty set with Okafor and May. I guess that'd be the best course of action though....

Knight for Williams + Rights to Mahinmi

[yavozerb]

Lets not forget that beno only makes 900K this year and 1.5 million next. Somebody will take a chance cause he is still young, contract under 3 years, and contract cheap..Maybe a team like memphis, Indiana, or Portland..

[AFBlue]

Lets not forget that beno only makes 900K this year and 1.5 million next. Somebody will take a chance cause he is still young, contract under 3 years, and contract cheap..Maybe a team like memphis, Indiana, or Portland..

Someone will take him eventually, but it'll be a mid-second round pick at best. He may be young-ish and on a short, cheap contract, but not only has he not stepped up to take hold of the backup spot from a classic third-string energy guy, he's given Pop every reason NOT to play him. His lack of confidence has destroyed his game, and it's a tough thing to overcome. I think the damage may be irreparable. Sad that a kid that once looked like a promising backup or future starter (though not star) is cut-bait material.

[Bruno]

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/abox/article_1562277.php

singleton wants trade

Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said it is unlikely the Clippers would make a trade before the Feb.22 deadline. But one player - not named Corey Maggette - wants out. Maggette requested a trade more than a month ago, through his agent. The Clippers explored options but none surfaced that interested them. Now second-year forward James Singleton wants to change teams.

Singleton was the first player out of the locker room after Wednesday's victory over Chicago.

"I don't want to sound like I'm whining," Singleton said. "I just want to play, and I don't think it'll be here. I'm never getting the opportunity, and so I told my agent to call them and ask them to trade me."

Singleton has appeared in 28 games and is averaging 1.9 points and 2.1 rebounds in eight minutes. He averaged 3.4 points and 3.3 rebounds as a rookie last year in 59 games.

[yavozerb]

what about this trade: Diogu and armstrong for Beno and butler..
Armstrong only has a 1 year contract and has been in big games before and diogu is a good low post man..Gonna be hard to get rid of butler and would hate to wast williams expiring contract on this deal

[Bruno]

I hope that Spurs will call Clippers about Singleton, he is a good fit for SA (long SF who is a great rebounder). He will be perfect as small ball PF.

[AFBlue]

what about this trade: Diogu and armstrong for Beno and butler..Armstrong only has a 1 year contract and has been in big games before and diogu is a good low post man..Gonna be hard to get rid of butler and would hate to wast williams expiring contract on this deal

I think there's some deal that if you're traded more than once in a season, it has to be a 1 for 1 trade.

[AFBlue]

I hope that Spurs will call Clippers about Singleton, he is a good fit for SA (long SF who is a great rebounder). He will be perfect as small ball PF.

Saw that this morning. It's a good thought, but he indicated that his frustration was playing time. To be honest, I don't know much about him, so it's tough to say whether a kid who couldn't get PT on the Clips (bubble lottery team) would get much "burn" on this veteran squad contending for a title.

Still...If they do a Beno for Singleton swap I'm down...as long as a subsequent trade is made for a decent backup PG...

[yavozerb]

Possible looks: PG darrell armstrong 1 year left 1.1 million, Juan Dixon 2 years left 2.7million or jarret jack 2 years left 1.2 million, Knight 1 year left 4 million, Howard eisley 1 year left 1.1 million or Duhon 2 years left 3.1 million...Just a couple of guys of have no more than 2 years on contracts or less than 2 million
Personally i like the choices from portland!!

[AFBlue]

Possible looks: PG darrell armstrong 1 year left 1.1 million, Juan Dixon 2 years left 2.7million or jarret jack 2 years left 1.2 million, Knight 1 year left 4 million, Howard eisley 1 year left 1.1 million or Duhon 2 years left 3.1 million...Just a couple of guys of have no more than 2 years on contracts or less than 2 million
Personally i like the choices from portland!!

Jack is averaging 30+MPG and has started every game for the Blazers this year...he's not going anywhere.

I do like Dixon though....just wish he could pass.

[leemajors]

juan dixon is not a pg.

[leemajors]

I hope that Spurs will call Clippers about Singleton, he is a good fit for SA (long SF who is a great rebounder). He will be perfect as small ball PF.

i saw he demanded a trade, i've never actually seen him play. couldn't hurt, but i can't imagine pop giving him a whole lot of minutes this season.

[rascal]

Everyone wants good players in return for the spurs in a trade but are unwilling to give up much value. Manu would be the best player to trade.

He has value and could bring back two good young players in return. What possible teams may want Manu and what can he bring back to the spurs?

[mountainballer]

To be honest, I don't know much about him, so it's tough to say whether a kid who couldn't get PT on the Clips (bubble lottery team) would get much "burn" on this veteran squad contending for a title.


his two major qualities (rebounding, athleticism) would currently fit better with the Spurs, than with the Clippers, who get rebounding production from Maggette and Thomas. so I would guess he gets more minutes with the Spurs, but for sure not a big number.
Singleton has a very team friendly contract (minimum contract with a team option for the next season), something any team likes for those 3rd stringers.
maybe Singleton has a Matt Barnes story in him, there are some similarities between the two IMO. (Singleton is more of a undersized PF though).

[AFBlue]

Everyone wants good players in return for the spurs in a trade but are unwilling to give up much value. Manu would be the best player to trade.

He has value and could bring back two good young players in return. What possible teams may want Manu and what can he bring back to the spurs?

This is a topic for the future. When Manu is in the final year of his contract ('09?), the Spurs will probably explore trading him based on whether they feel they can/should re-sign him. Until then, I gotta think the Spurs FO considers him untouchable.

You're right about his value though....

[AFBlue]

his two major qualities (rebounding, athleticism) would currently fit better with the Spurs, than with the Clippers, who get rebounding production from Maggette and Thomas. so I would guess he gets more minutes with the Spurs, but for sure not a big number.
Singleton has a very team friendly contract (minimum contract with a team option for the next season), something any team likes for those 3rd stringers.
maybe Singleton has a Matt Barnes story in him, there are some similarities between the two IMO. (Singleton is more of a undersized PF though).

So a second rounder should do it? We'd then have to cut someone...

[Mr. Body]

I don't think a second rounder would be enough to get Singleton.

[mountainballer]

So a second rounder should do it? We'd then have to cut someone...

Spurs have to trade a player. the only contract that works straight by the numbers is the one of Vaughn.
I think, if they did such a trade, it would include some more (non rotation) players.

[AFBlue]

Spurs have to trade a player. the only contract that works straight by the numbers is the one of Vaughn.
I think, if they did such a trade, it would include some more (non rotation) players.

He makes the league minimum right? I thought you could pick up minimum-salary players w/o that rule. Could be wrong.

How much does Aaron Williams make?

Bonner + 2nd rounder for Singleton + Aaron Williams

Does that work?

[Mr. Body]

You can sign a player to the vet minimum but in trades you have to always swap salary.

[Mr. Body]

Bonner + 2nd rounder for Singleton + Aaron Williams

Does that work?

Yes.

[AFBlue]

Yes.

Would the Spurs do it? Would you?

[mountainballer]

Would the Spurs do it? Would you?

Spurs would have to wave Williams (or another player), so it would be Singleton for Bonner. overall it's not a good deal.
Singleton + Korolev for Bonner + 2nd rounder looks fair talentwise.
(Korolev is a gamble though)
Singleton+Korolev+Ewing for Bonner+Beno+2nd rounder

Spur would have to wave a player (Vaughn?)

[Texas_Ranger]

Bonner + 2nd rounder for Singleton + Aaron Williams




Hell no!

[Big P]

Korolev is definitly an interesting prospect & one that the Spurs should pursue signing next year. THe Clipps did not offer him an extension this summer & he will be an unrestricted FA next year. IMO an LLE contract would be a good gamble on this kid, but once again other teams might bid his salary up. A 7ft wing player who has good athlecticism will defintly interest a few teams. I hope we are one of them.

[steppy]

New guy here. I'm just tossing this out there so please don't bite my head off.

Is Philly in rebuild mode?

How about Eric Williams for Steven Hunter and Louis Williams? Or E. Will for Steven Hunter and Alan Henderson?

Or, since Larry Brown is "consulting" in Philly, how about Jackie Butler and a second round pick for Steven Hunter? This way they get a big back that Larry supposedly likes and we get a big man that might help us out.

[AFBlue]

New guy here. I'm just tossing this out there so please don't bite my head off.

Is Philly in rebuild mode?

How about Eric Williams for Steven Hunter and Louis Williams? Or E. Will for Steven Hunter and Alan Henderson?

Or, since Larry Brown is "consulting" in Philly, how about Jackie Butler and a second round pick for Steven Hunter? This way they get a big back that Larry supposedly likes and we get a big man that might help us out.

I like the first one as an idea, but getting Steven Hunter w/o getting rid of one of the other bigs is just adding to the glut of PF/Cs, while failing to address one of the other issues (long 3, backup PG). And honestly, I'm not sure Hunter would be more useful than what the Spurs have.

It's also too early to give up on Butler just yet, especially for Hunter.

Overall, not bad. Definitely in the realm of "reasonable".

[Mr. Body]

I don't think the Spurs take on salary beyond '08 for a guy like Stephen Hunter, who is only marginally better than what they have.

[steppy]

I suppose I was impressed by his 1.4 blocks per game but I neglected to take into account he's playing in the lEast.

[Mr. Body]

He's good. His blocks sure would be handy, but I don't think the Spurs look at salary beyond next year.

[steppy]

I wonder if Hunter is better on D than Elson. Elson looks like he just chases down every player with the ball when he's out there. I could be wrong but I was at the Houston game last week and Elson left Howard all the time and the guy scored. He wasn't rotating, he was just chasing.

I suppose it's a moot point though since the Spurs already have a plan for the future.

[yavozerb]

They both suck, end of conversation!!

[ace3g]

singleton wants trade

Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said it is unlikely the Clippers would make a trade before the Feb.22 deadline. But one player - not named Corey Maggette - wants out. Maggette requested a trade more than a month ago, through his agent. The Clippers explored options but none surfaced that interested them. Now second-year forward James Singleton wants to change teams.

Singleton was the first player out of the locker room after Wednesday's victory over Chicago.

"I don't want to sound like I'm whining," Singleton said. "I just want to play, and I don't think it'll be here. I'm never getting the opportunity, and so I told my agent to call them and ask them to trade me."

Singleton has appeared in 28 games and is averaging 1.9 points and 2.1 rebounds in eight minutes. He averaged 3.4 points and 3.3 rebounds as a rookie last year in 59 games.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/abox/article_1562277.php

I have heard other posters interested in Singleton.

Quite an athlete... Great dunker... Very aggressive rebounder

[Gummi]

Guys like James Singleton, Steven Hunter and Korolev aren't going to help the Spurs to win a title.

Pop and R.C. aren't going to make a trade this season, Pop said it and they don't have anything special to offer other teams and they won't trade their core players. They'll wait until the off-season, evaluate the playoff run (as of right now we're not making it to the Conference Finals), then they'll try to make the moves they think will ensure us a great 07/08 season.

[timvp]

I like James Singleton. But for him to ask for a trade makes me think less of him. When you are an end of the bench scrub, you should just praise the lord that you are in the NBA.

[anonymous source]

we do need a player like swift or warrick

[Holt's Cat]

When can we stop thinking about contract length and get some players that will help us win now? WTF is going on?

[Mr. Body]

When can we stop thinking about contract length and get some players that will help us win now? WTF is going on?

Because Plan 2008 will lead to a magical summer with puppies and unicorns.

Actually... seriously, it will.

[Holt's Cat]

I hate puppies and unisexes.

[Big P]

Guys like James Singleton, Steven Hunter and Korolev aren't going to help the Spurs to win a title.

Pop and R.C. aren't going to make a trade this season, Pop said it and they don't have anything special to offer other teams and they won't trade their core players. They'll wait until the off-season, evaluate the playoff run (as of right now we're not making it to the Conference Finals), then they'll try to make the moves they think will ensure us a great 07/08 season.

Nobody that the Spurs could trade for are going to help us win a title this year...other teams are not going to give up difference makers for our junk...we already know all of this.

[Phenomanul]

Trade Beno as a filler for trading away EWill's expiring contract. This opens up a roster slot for giving White/Butler more minutes and then you go after Pepe.

Pepe Sanchez >>>> Beno Udrih

[Phenomanul]

I like James Singleton. But for him to ask for a trade makes me think less of him. When you are an end of the bench scrub, you should just praise the lord that you are in the NBA.

:lol :lol

[BgT]

Parker and Beno should both get traded.

[hoopdreams11]

beno, Barry, and E Will for Sarunas, S Jack and Barnes

[Pugglekicker_21]

has anyone mentioned okur yet? i think utah would have to be retarded to send him our way but i liked him even before their game

[fijian_cholo]

trade with the clippers

not for cory magette..but for james singletonn

that guy is gud...he is a hustle guy....he can play both PF n SF

plus spurs wont have to give much in return probably a draft pick

[BgT]

has anyone mentioned okur yet? i think utah would have to be retarded to send him our way but i liked him even before their game
And you would give what for him? Parker?

[ducks]

jeff foster would be nice
o rebounding machine 3 in league last year

[leemajors]

too bad gadzuric makes too much, he might have been a decent fit.

[Slinkyman]

too bad gadzuric makes too much, he might have been a decent fit.

Gadzuric would make a great starting center next to duncan, a guy who can rebound, block shots and is athletic it'd be a great fit. But 31 million left on that contract probably means the spurs will never look his way. Bucks would probably let him go for peanuts (Ewill).

[Bruno]

Gadzuric would make a great starting center next to duncan, a guy who can rebound, block shots and is athletic it'd be a great fit.

No.
Gadzuric is the second best dutch nba player when it comes to BBIQ. :rolleyes

[rascal]

Alvin Willaims was signed to a 10 day contract on Jan 30 by the clippers. Not sure if they resigned him but he may be available. He was a good starter with Toronto but its been at least a couple years now he has been dealing with injuries. May be worth a look as a backup pg.

Probably won't be a big difference maker but would be another backup pg option that would come at little cost.

[Big P]

Alvin Willaims was signed to a 10 day contract on Jan 30 by the clippers. Not sure if they resigned him but he may be available. He was a good starter with Toronto but its been at least a couple years now he has been dealing with injuries. May be worth a look as a backup pg.

Probably won't be a big difference maker but would be another backup pg option that would come at little cost.

He is available, but who do we cut?

[mountainballer]

Alvin Willaims was signed to a 10 day contract on Jan 30 by the clippers. Not sure if they resigned him but he may be available. He was a good starter with Toronto but its been at least a couple years now he has been dealing with injuries. May be worth a look as a backup pg.

Probably won't be a big difference maker but would be another backup pg option that would come at little cost.

jesus.
don't know if you just missed, that Williams hasn't played for 2 1/2 seasons, due to all the injuries he had, the Clippers tried to play him, but obviously he is not able to play at NBA level any more.
yes, we are desperate for help at PG, but that's total nonsense.
signing Kukoc and play him as PG would make more sense than this.

[Gros Membres!]

Is Kukoc available? I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Tony.

Why not trade Barry for a need area (athletic SF or Center) and sign Kukoc to stand out at the line and hit 3s a la Barry. Finley woul then take bigger role in the rotation and I do think he could flourish as the 6th man if given consistent minutes/defined role. If Finley goes cold, Kukoc might be a nice plug in there.

Right now the log-jam at the unathletic 2/3 is killing us.

[wildbill2u]

615 posts on the 'reasonable trade forum" and not one single trade that is feasible or reasonable or has attracted consensus support. Why? Because we are in a position where no reasonable trades are possible.

It's easy to see why people who make their living at this--RC, Pop and the FO have decided that no significant trades are likely.

[mountainballer]

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5327872,00.html

Word circulating in the locker room is that the Grizzlies want to pry away Portland center Jamaal Magloire and his expiring $8.3 million contract for Swift ($5.4) and Dahntay Jones ($1.9).



http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-nbacoast4feb04,1,2038888.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true

Insiders say Memphis keeps dropping its asking price for Pau Gasol, suggesting owner Michael Heisley has told Jerry West to forget fair value and slash the payroll.

if West has got the directive to trade away contracts, Spurs should hurry. not for Gasol, but a package like the one the Grizzlies are said to have offerd to the Blazers would be a great steal, if it just takes the contracts of Williams + Bonner to get them.
I'm not the biggest fan of Swift, but of course he would be an upgrade of the frontcourt right now (over Bonner), especially if we don't had to give up much.
I like Jones. he's not an outstanding talent, but he has what we lack (in terms of athleticismn) and is a good defender. would be a good backup and of course a huge upgrade over E. Williams.
give the Grizzlies some 2nd round picks if they need some more teasers.

[SCdac]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2007/02/04/oh_boy_this_ones_on_danny/
"There are a lot of people in the NBA who like some of the Celtics' young players, but not as much as the Celtics like them. The widely held view on most of them is that they'd be serviceable reserves on a good team. (Pau Gasol doesn't want to come here, for instance.) How do you win with that kind of team? Yes, you could parachute Gomes or West onto the Spurs and my guess is that San Antonio wouldn't suffer at all. And that is part of the problem going forward, because when (or if) Ainge does deal any of these guys, they're likely going to prosper in their new environment, if for no other reason than they won't be playing with each other anymore."


It's funny that this dude mentions sending Ryan Gomes and Delonte West to the Spurs. I've been wanting that, in particular, to happen for awhile. Both of these players I think are perfect fits for a low-key organization like the Spurs. In my opinion, landing these two guys would be just as impactful as landing a big name like Maggette. Gomes, a 23 year old SF, can rebound well and is a big hustle player. For instance, in nov. he managed to get his first triple double against the Bobcats (... more active than we'd ever see Bowen get). I'm sure he'd prosper on the Spurs, off the bench or even in the starting lineup. West, a versatile and tough PG, would improve the Spurs more than Beno Udrih ever could, I'm sure of it. Dude can rebound really well for a PG, and even block some shots. Who knows, maybe he can handle running the point just as well as Parker himself.... A group of Delonte West (PG/SG), Ryan Gomes (SF/PF), and James White (SG/SF) would be good for the future... One can dream, right? :depressed

I wonder who, or how much, the Spurs would have to part with to land a West & Gomes duo.

[AFBlue]

It's funny that this dude mentions sending Ryan Gomes and Delonte West to the Spurs. I've been wanting that, in particular, to happen for awhile. Both of these players I think are perfect fits for a low-key organization like the Spurs. In my opinion, landing these two guys would be just as impactful as landing a big name like Maggette. Gomes, a 23 year old SF, can rebound well and is a big hustle player. For instance, in nov. he managed to get his first triple double against the Bobcats (... more active than we'd ever see Bowen get). I'm sure he'd prosper on the Spurs, off the bench or even in the starting lineup. West, a versatile and tough PG, would improve the Spurs more than Beno Udrih ever could, I'm sure of it. Dude can rebound really well for a PG, and even block some shots. Who knows, maybe he can handle running the point just as well as Parker himself.... A group of Delonte West (PG/SG), Ryan Gomes (SF/PF), and James White (SG/SF) would be good for the future... One can dream, right? :depressed

I wonder who, or how much, the Spurs would have to part with to land a West & Gomes duo.

Both good young players that would be great on this team. Unfortunately, I think it takes more than what the Spurs have currently, but less than one of the big 3 to get both of these guys. Either way it wouldn't be easy b/c they make so little that the Spurs would have to take on a long-term filler contract like Ratliff, Szerbiak, Scalabrine, etc.

It's not unreasonable because they're "superstars in the making", but it's pretty unreasonable given what the Spurs have to offer. Man it would be nice though.

[ginobili fan]

How can we get Petro? because I think this guy will fit perfectly with the spurs(he is better than mahinmi)

[JPB]

How can we get Petro? because I think this guy will fit perfectly with the spurs(he is better than mahinmi)

Not in my books.
+ I thought Spurs needed a rebounder.

[CaptainLate]

And you would give what for (Okur)? Parker?

Yes, because a shoot first pass second PG on this team does us no good. TP doesn't lift up the playing level of those around him (only Tim and Manu do that).

If what Gummi said is true: i.e., that "Pop and R.C. aren't going to make a trade this season...they won't trade their core players. They'll wait until the off-season, evaluate the playoff run (as of right now we're not making it to the Conference Finals), then they'll try to make the moves they think will ensure us a great 07/08 season", then if I were Tim I'd be pissed off to find out the FO is throwing away a season while he (Tim) gets a year older.

[AFBlue]

How can we get Petro? because I think this guy will fit perfectly with the spurs(he is better than mahinmi)

We already have one state-side project center in Butler, but if he should be moved in order to get a backup PG or long 3, Petro could probably be had on the cheap. I think a Beno-Petro swap works straight up.

[Bruno]

Joe Smith can be an interesting option. It's not a great name but he is a solid role player with a quite low trade value and who can be a good fit with Spurs and Duncan.

[AFBlue]

Joe Smith can be an interesting option. It's not a great name but he is a solid role player with a quite low trade value and who can be a good fit with Spurs and Duncan.

Williams + who? If it's Beno, the Spurs need to work on getting a backup PG as well and will have pretty much exhausted their trade assets.

[Bruno]

Williams + who? If it's Beno, the Spurs need to work on getting a backup PG as well and will have pretty much exhausted their trade assets.

Expirings + a second round pick should be enough to get him. Maybe atrade with a third team trading expirings contracts for Oberto.

[AFBlue]

Expirings + a second round pick should be enough to get him. Maybe atrade with a third team trading expirings contracts for Oberto.

I'm honestly lean more towards fixing the backup PG situation before the other two issues (rebounding big, long 3), but that's not a bad deal.

[Big P]

Expirings + a second round pick should be enough to get him. Maybe atrade with a third team trading expirings contracts for Oberto.
Smith makes about $2.5 mil more than EWIll, so we would have to include someone else.

[Marcus Bryant]

An aging past his prime vet? Sounds like a Spur to me.

[T-Pain]

i say we make some sort of blockbuster deal

[silk]

the ideal deal would get us magloire, dixon , and t. outlaw, solve all of our problem but probably not happen..other interesting player are garbajosa and anthony parker...garba would fit in well with td a little more quick and athletic than fabricio wit more range..

[Bruno]

Smith makes about $2.5 mil more than EWIll, so we would have to include someone else.

I've included Oberto.

To be more explicit :
Spurs trade Williams+Oberto+2nd for Smith
Philly trade Smith for Williams+expiring+2nd
team X trade expiring for Oberto

[Bruno]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-sp-clippers7feb07,1,2613694.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba



Maggette, the Clippers' sixth man, said he might have helped to make a difference for the Clippers, who have lost their last two games after winning the opener on their seven-game trip, their longest of the season.

Owner Donald T. Sterling recently made strong comments about his positive view of the seven-year veteran in an impromptu meeting with Maggette, Dunleavy and General Manager Elgin Baylor.

The Clippers thought things were fine with Maggette after Sterling's pep talk, but another group session might be needed.

"It's just more of Dunleavy's [stuff] again," Maggette said. "I don't get it, I really don't. It's crazy. I put in work. I deserve to play.

"It's totally mind-boggling to me. [It's] unbelievable that I couldn't help this team tonight. Why? Why?"

Dunleavy declined to specifically address Maggette's comments, saying only that he had made a coach's decision.

Maggette, who averages 15.2 points, made two of three shots from the field and scored four points.

Third on the team with an average of 5.7 rebounds, Maggette had no rebounds against the Knicks, which might have contributed to Dunleavy's decision.

That's fine, but let him know where he stands, Maggette said.

"Give me an excuse, give me something, just tell me something," Maggette said. "I'm a grown man. I can take it."

On Dec. 15, Maggette said he and Dunleavy "don't see eye to eye. Coach doesn't respect what I do. If that's the case, it might be time for me to go, move on and have a new beginning. It's better for me to go."

In an attempt to end trade speculation, Sterling on Jan. 20 told Maggette, Baylor and Dunleavy that he wanted Maggette to remain with the team. He left the door ajar to trade the Clippers' second-leading scorer, telling Maggette he would permit Baylor and Dunleavy to move him in a deal that might improve the team significantly.

But because of Sterling's firm stance, the price for Maggette probably would be too high for most teams before the Feb. 22 trading deadline.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-sp-cliprep7feb07,1,6304461.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba


The Clippers are expected to sign guard Doug Christie to a second 10-day contract after his first expires Friday.

[timvp]

Joe Smith? Have the Spurs really fallen that far?

[AFBlue]

Joe Smith? Have the Spurs really fallen that far?

I think he might be an upgrade over Elson. Does the same things, only better. It's not a horrible suggestion, but it is obvious that we've run through 25 pages of other suggestions and there are only so many available players in the NBA.

[AFBlue]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-sp-clippers7feb07,1,2613694.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba


Maggette, the Clippers' sixth man, said he might have helped to make a difference for the Clippers, who have lost their last two games after winning the opener on their seven-game trip, their longest of the season.

Owner Donald T. Sterling recently made strong comments about his positive view of the seven-year veteran in an impromptu meeting with Maggette, Dunleavy and General Manager Elgin Baylor.

The Clippers thought things were fine with Maggette after Sterling's pep talk, but another group session might be needed.

"It's just more of Dunleavy's [stuff] again," Maggette said. "I don't get it, I really don't. It's crazy. I put in work. I deserve to play.

"It's totally mind-boggling to me. [It's] unbelievable that I couldn't help this team tonight. Why? Why?"

Dunleavy declined to specifically address Maggette's comments, saying only that he had made a coach's decision.

Maggette, who averages 15.2 points, made two of three shots from the field and scored four points.

Third on the team with an average of 5.7 rebounds, Maggette had no rebounds against the Knicks, which might have contributed to Dunleavy's decision.

That's fine, but let him know where he stands, Maggette said.

"Give me an excuse, give me something, just tell me something," Maggette said. "I'm a grown man. I can take it."

On Dec. 15, Maggette said he and Dunleavy "don't see eye to eye. Coach doesn't respect what I do. If that's the case, it might be time for me to go, move on and have a new beginning. It's better for me to go."

In an attempt to end trade speculation, Sterling on Jan. 20 told Maggette, Baylor and Dunleavy that he wanted Maggette to remain with the team. He left the door ajar to trade the Clippers' second-leading scorer, telling Maggette he would permit Baylor and Dunleavy to move him in a deal that might improve the team significantly.

But because of Sterling's firm stance, the price for Maggette probably would be too high for most teams before the Feb. 22 trading deadline.

This kid is singlehandedly sabatoging any hope that he can co-exist with the Clippers organization and his outburts do serious damage to their leverage in trades. Too bad I don't see his value getting as low or lower than it was when the Spurs got involved last time around. Especially not with the deadline fast approaching. He MIGHT end up on another team, but I doubt it's the Spurs.

Thanks for renewing just a glimmer of hope though....

[mountainballer]

He MIGHT end up on another team, but I doubt it's the Spurs.


yes, especially the boarderline PO teams, who still see a chance to qualify, or see the need for improvement will offer more than the Spurs.
Clipper also won't want to trade with a western team, so I expect Miami or Indiana to once more go for him (and finally get him).

[Maddog]

I think he might be an upgrade over Elson. Does the same things, only better. It's not a horrible suggestion, but it is obvious that we've run through 25 pages of other suggestions and there are only so many available players in the NBA.

Joe is averaging 7 and 5 in ~ 20 minutes. Not too shabby. Expiring contract..
The Guy is no long term solution, but would probably be a servicable addition.

Joe Smith, I think gets a bit of a bad rap, because of stunning past overestimation of his talents- drafted overall#1, McHale thinking he is worth an illegal deal...
Interestingly he is only 7 months older than Elson, and younger than Oberto.

The more I think about it I think he would help the Spurs.
Would it make the difference between a title and no tile? I don't think it would be enough to send the team over the Mavs, but would inch closer.
I don't see anybody else on the 76ers who could be packaged that would make it even better.

[mountainballer]

The more I think about it I think he would help the Spurs.
Would it make the difference between a title and no tile? I don't think it would be enough to send the team over the Mavs, but would inch closer.


the downside about Smith is, that he never was able to perform in the POs. in fact he usually failed big time in the postseason. (except 2003, his only decent PO run)
PO averages: 6.8 PPG/5.1 RPG. that's quite a crash from his 12 PPG / 7 RPG regular season career average.
so I'm not sure that he can help us when it counts.

[Maddog]

the downside about Smith is, that he never was able to perform in the POs. in fact he usually failed big time in the postseason. (except 2003, his only decent PO run)
PO averages: 6.8 PPG/5.1 RPG. that's quite a crash from his 12 PPG / 7 RPG regular season career average.
so I'm not sure that he can help us when it counts.
Good point,
but in one of those runs he only played 8 minutes a game- still 6.8 and 5 is not bad- it's still an open question if he could help/adapt to the Spurs team in time..
I'll be the first to say that I don't think he is a home run definitely put the team over the top, just the more I think about him, I think he help the team.
Granted I haave never watched him criticaly- to paraphrase a friend- Nazr looks good from far but far from good. A lot teams have thought he would help, only to see his deficits after getting him..

[mountainballer]

I still hope there could be a chance to get James Posey.
he still is mentioned in trade rumors and since the Heat have aquired Eddy Jones, his role will be reduced even more. I guess the Heat know, that he will not resign with them after all what happened this season and the Heat have Dorell Wright as their long shot at SF. they know they can only get some value back, if they trade Posey at deadline.
yes, we don't have much to offer, what could be helpfull for them in the current situation, but it is worth a try.
damn, we need a three team trade again.

[AFBlue]

I still hope there could be a chance to get James Posey.
he still is mentioned in trade rumors and since the Heat have aquired Eddy Jones, his role will be reduced even more. I guess the Heat know, that he will not resign with them after all what happened this season and the Heat have Dorell Wright as their long shot at SF. they know they can only get some value back, if they trade Posey at deadline.
yes, we don't have much to offer, what could be helpfull for them in the current situation, but it is worth a try.
damn, we need a three team trade again.

Posey is a great defensive addition, but the Spurs already have enough "shooters". If the Spurs add another swingman, I think it should be a "scorer" with a more versatile offensive game.

[yavozerb]

What does it mean if a player has a player option on the last year of thier contract?

[AFBlue]

What does it mean if a player has a player option on the last year of thier contract?

The player can decide to release himself from the current contract. Most players do it if they feel they can get more than they currently make in the open market.

Team option gives the team the right to dump the player w/o consequence or pick up the option for the additional year(s)

[mountainballer]

Is there a possibility that a third team could be involved in a Gasol trade? What are the options or aren't there any? --Kristo, Estonia

Actually, with Andres Nocioni out injured and uncertainty about how that might affect a deal, it's likely the teams will go searching for third parties looking to get involved, perhaps like Portland with Zach Randolph and Jamaal Magloire, the Nets with Vince Carter, the Cavs with Larry Hughes and Anderson Varajeo and the Magic with Grant Hill's expiring contract.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/askthewriter/cs-070207asksamsmith,1,6273316.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines


does anybody know what the writer is talking about and why he thinks the Bulls and Grizzlies will look for a third team?
however, let's assume that he knows something and that they are in fact searching for a third team, this would be a scenario that might get the Spurs in a position they could not obtain in a straight 2 teams deal.
(maybe the Bulls might have some reservations about helping the Spurs, because if they get Gasol, they will be favourite to win the East and in the finals they could meet the Spurs)

often a third team is involved, to get some expiring contracts into a deal. this is what the Spurs can offer.
it is interesting, that he mentions Varejao, but is has some logic.
as a result of Ferry's pathetic work, the Cavs are stuck with a team, that is going nowhere, but is also close to paying lux-tax.
(and yes, I know that some here think he did a good work in Cleveland, but I doubt this and the whole desaster will be obvious in one or two years from now). Cavs know, that they likely can't resign Varejao without paying dollar for dollar lux tax for his whole contract.
right now Varejao is the only tradeable asset the Cavs have (outside Lebron), so they have to use him as a teaser to somehow get rid of another contract (Snow, Marshall, Newble, Jones) to get back some cap space, because noone will take Hughes and Z (their huge long term contracts) of their hands.

[romain.star]

both are excellent players and most importantly know how to win championships... there're just a few guys out there who know what it takes to lead a team to the title...
I just don't get why some of the spurs fan want to trade them
The spurs need an athletic bench and competitive role players, we need the energy of a Malik Rose, the physical impact of a Mike Pietrus and some fresh blood with a good draft choice à la TP and Manu...

[DR WU]

I don't believe there are any reasonable trade ideas since we have so little to trade. Nevertheless, Beno and Barry are on the block.

Our greatest need is at point guard. It's foolish to think that a begger like Vaughn can give us anything in the playoffs. Rumors are circulating that Seattle wants to deal Ridnour or Watson...or both. That would work for us and Brent would be back home.

Furthermore, Bruce Bowen shoots like a DLeaguer. So we also need help at the three spot. Especially, if Barry goes. Nocioni 15/5 (Manu's friend) and Rishard Lewis 20/5 will both probably do sign-and-trade deals before the deadline. Either one of those guys would be strong acquisition but I doubt the Spurs have the stones to pay for an impact player like that, since they never have. By the way, the Corey Magette rumors were started by his agent. The Clips have no intention of letting him go.

Still, we are only a couple of players away from being back on top in the West. So let's keep our fingers crossed between now and the 22nd.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Beno+Williams+Oberto+2nd rounder for Atkins+Swift. :smokin
I'm still all for this trade

[phxspurfan]

post count ++

[Gros Membres!]

Beno+ Barry + Williams for...um, poop.
Throw in Scola's rights.

This conversation has reached the absurd level. I couldn't contain myself with the Joe Smith talk. Come on. If it's come to that, we should wait till next year.

[mountainballer]

Nocioni 15/5 (Manu's friend) and Rishard Lewis 20/5 will both probably do sign-and-trade deals before the deadline.


???? what are you talking about? there are no such deals during the season.

[remingtonbo2001]

What is this I hear about Paul Gasol....A trade purposed of E-Will, Beno, and Fabricio....for Gasol. Supposedly, this trade would work out, as well, it's been discussed by Pop....It's on the Daily Dime in ESPN....Has this been discussed?

[mountainballer]

What is this I hear about Paul Gasol....A trade purposed of E-Will, Beno, and Fabricio....for Gasol. Supposedly, this trade would work out, as well, it's been discussed by Pop....It's on the Daily Dime in ESPN....Has this been discussed?

sorry, but this thread is called "reasonable trade ideas" and not "completly out of mind pipe dream trades"
and it's been discussed by Pop???????? for sure not and it's not on Daily Dime.

maybe the Pope has been talking about the Spanish Inquisition, but for sure Pop didn't talk about a Spanish acquisition.

[Mr. Body]

maybe the Pope has been talking about the Spanish Inquisition

Now you've started it...

[mountainballer]

Now you've started it...

uuups, I was careless

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Spanish_Inquisition_%28Monty_Python%29.jpg

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

[remingtonbo2001]

No, I read it under the Daily Power Rankings....It came as quite a shock to me. I didn't start this, was only trying to verify it, but I guess it's hogwash. Or maybe not?..
We'll find out.

[leemajors]

No, I read it under the Daily Power Rankings....It came as quite a shock to me. I didn't start this, was only trying to verify it, but I guess it's hogwash. Or maybe not?..
We'll find out.

you mean the user comments in the rankings?

[The Instigator]

trade pop for the zen master

[DR WU]

???? what are you talking about? there are no such deals during the season.


OK, my bad but you could still do the trade straight up. Nocioni would be an excellent fit for San Antonio.

[ArgSpursFan]

No team is interested on any spurs player besides the big three,so forget about it.

[Kobulingam]

Somehow trade for Chris Bosh. Is it just me, or does the NBA not realize that Bosh is 100% "unguardable" 1on1.

Future MVP for sure. Chris Bosh (PF), Tim Duncan (C), Manu Ginobilli + 2 scrubs = 5 championships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ploto]

Somehow trade for Chris Bosh. Is it just me, or does the NBA not realize that Bosh is 100% "unguardable" 1on1.

Future MVP for sure. Chris Bosh (PF), Tim Duncan (C), Manu Ginobilli + 2 scrubs = 5 championships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Should have asked for him in the Rasho trade. :lol

[dunkinduncan]

I say Udrih, Parker, Manu and Pops for Dirk and Avery.


San Antonio Spurs
2007 World Champions


Case closed.

[ace3g]

This trade works on realgm.com


Spurs get Etan Thomas from Washington


Wizards get Oberto and Williams


Trade ID: 3663691


Haywood and Thomas are not getting along for some reason, could be a good change of scenery

[Bruno]

I'm not a big fan of Thomas : he is a very average player, has a big contract and is likely too slow to be usefull against Mavs/Suns.

[yavozerb]

It is rumored on hoops-hype (rumor from espn) that eric williams contract will bought out soon. Not sure what exactly that does for the team or if it will help open any other options..

[Marcus Bryant]

It is rumored on hoops-hype (rumor from espn) that eric williams contract will bought out soon. Not sure what exactly that does for the team or if it will help open any other options..

Lux Tax.

[SpurYank]

Not sure how long this thread has been running. It's the first thing one sees when we go here. Today is the first time I've taken a peep. First, to read why Kori Ellis would even post it as a thread, and second, to see if I was right in my expectations, as in "Manu, Tony, Beno, and Pop for Dirk and Avery." I was right.

Kori, just WHY did you get this started?

The Spurs are fine as they are. I know you keep saying that "we aren't good enough" any more. I see it differently. We ARE good enough. In last night's game, Hedo's throw to Howard was one of those "once in a lifetime things."

I'll be convinced you are right only ater we get eliminated by the Cinco de Mayo, as most people down there in SA believe.

Never underestimate the heart of a champion.

[mountainballer]

The Spurs are fine as they are.


I know some, who wouldn't agree with you.
most of them are thinking Spurs should be contender as long as Tim is in his prime and are not satisfied, if Spurs just qualifyfor the PO.

[Slinkyman]

Not a trade idea but with Julius Hodge being released from the bucks i'd like to see the spurs bring him in for a work out. He's been hurt alot so i don't know if he's even able to play right now though.

[mountainballer]

Not a trade idea but with Julius Hodge being released from the bucks i'd like to see the spurs bring him in for a work out. He's been hurt alot so i don't know if he's even able to play right now though.

hurt or not, did Hodge have a single game in his two years in the NBA that could people make think he is a legit NBA player?
tons of talent, but looks absolutly unable to translate his college game to NBA level.
(he would be a player to give a try in summer league and training camp, but for sure not during the season, when we need immediate help)

but I guess Hodge will end up in Europe and do pretty well there.
players with a great skill set, but lack of strenght and athleticismn can do better in Euroleague.

[Big Shot Rob]

I say Udrih, Parker, Manu and Pops for Dirk and Avery.


San Antonio Spurs
2007 World Champions


Case closed.

Throw in Eva Longoria and Terri Hatcher--that'll get their attention

[AFBlue]

Not sure how long this thread has been running. It's the first thing one sees when we go here. Today is the first time I've taken a peep. First, to read why Kori Ellis would even post it as a thread, and second, to see if I was right in my expectations, as in "Manu, Tony, Beno, and Pop for Dirk and Avery." I was right.

Kori, just WHY did you get this started?

The Spurs are fine as they are. I know you keep saying that "we aren't good enough" any more. I see it differently. We ARE good enough. In last night's game, Hedo's throw to Howard was one of those "once in a lifetime things."

I'll be convinced you are right only ater we get eliminated by the Cinco de Mayo, as most people down there in SA believe.

Never underestimate the heart of a champion.

Last night's ending might have been a freak occurence, but the Spurs surrenduring a late-game lead to even put themselves in that position (up by 18 at one point) is not. Time and time again, the Spurs have let leads slip away and let lesser teams (Orlando isn't even an elite EASTERN team!) have a shot at winning. That's NOT the heart of a champion. I could cite many other examples (like when Dallas fell behind early, but never panicked, slowly regained the lead, and ended up beating the Spurs soundly) where the Spurs lacked the "heart" and more importantly the confidence that they SHOULD win the games.

The Spurs are not dead in the water and it's not a catastrophic situation, but they can stand to improve their teams as there are LEGITIMATE holes in this team. You could read, or I could give you a recap of Spurs needs:

Backup PG: Beno is in full regression and Vaughn is a classic third stringer

Scoring Wing: This team is full of "shooters", but none of them can really create their own shot or get to the free throw line when thier shot is failing them.

Rebounding Big: The Spurs get beat on offensive boards routinely by bigger, more physical teams

Athletic, Long 3: Finley is serviceable as a three, but is not a strong rebounder and he has lost some of his athleticism being older. He's also a sad "smallball" 4.

Again, the point is that this team has "needs" and not all of those needs can be met by the current personnel. It is even doubtful that all of these "needs" can be met in the off-season, given the small amount of $$ to deal with (MLE).

A trade before the deadline remains the best possible way to fix at least one, if not more, of the problems the Spurs currently have. It doesn't guarantee they'll go any further in the playoffs, it's just guaranteed to increase their chances.

[Mr. Body]

PHAT, that's the most cogent explanation of the problems, especially the last sentence. No doubt it will be ignored on this board and some of the pettier potentates will come by and ridicule it for some perceived or slight mistake.

[ChumpDumper]

Not a trade idea but with Julius Hodge being released from the bucks i'd like to see the spurs bring him in for a work out. He's been hurt alot so I don't know if he's even able to play right now though.Hodge needs playing time to show any team he is worth looking at. I'm sure he could get picked up by a D-League team pretty quickly, as he has been extremely effective at that level. But yeah, if he doesn't improve his strength and shooting, the best place for him will be Europe.

[ArgSpursFan]

Last night's ending might have been a freak occurence, but the Spurs surrenduring a late-game lead to even put themselves in that position (up by 18 at one point) is not. Time and time again, the Spurs have let leads slip away and let lesser teams (Orlando isn't even an elite EASTERN team!) have a shot at winning. That's NOT the heart of a champion. I could cite many other examples (like when Dallas fell behind early, but never panicked, slowly regained the lead, and ended up beating the Spurs soundly) where the Spurs lacked the "heart" and more importantly the confidence that they SHOULD win the games.

The Spurs are not dead in the water and it's not a catastrophic situation, but they can stand to improve their teams as there are LEGITIMATE holes in this team. You could read, or I could give you a recap of Spurs needs:

Backup PG: Beno is in full regression and Vaughn is a classic third stringer

Scoring Wing: This team is full of "shooters", but none of them can really create their own shot or get to the free throw line when thier shot is failing them.

Rebounding Big: The Spurs get beat on offensive boards routinely by bigger, more physical teams

Athletic, Long 3: Finley is serviceable as a three, but is not a strong rebounder and he has lost some of his athleticism being older. He's also a sad "smallball" 4.

Again, the point is that this team has "needs" and not all of those needs can be met by the current personnel. It is even doubtful that all of these "needs" can be met in the off-season, given the small amount of $$ to deal with (MLE).

A trade before the deadline remains the best possible way to fix at least one, if not more, of the problems the Spurs currently have. It doesn't guarantee they'll go any further in the playoffs, it's just guaranteed to increase their chances.

that´s just our lack of scoring and Good Defense from our bench.
This is no a new thing though,we all know that with the shity bench+our two centers playing the way they played last night it´s gonna happen again and again.
I know Manu didn´t show up last night,and that was a big factor for the magics comeback,but At the end of the day it comes down to what many poster(including my self)have been saying this season:¨the spurs haven´t inproved their roster as good as the suns and mavs did,these last two years.
I could be cause they´ve been ¨too conservatives¨as far as spending much money on players,or they just thought that the spurs weren´t old enough and It was fine the way the roster was,and Scola and another backup PG weren´t necessary eather this year.

[timvp]

Another way to get under the luxury threshold:

Trade Williams, a second round pick and cash to the Rockets for Scott Padgett. The Rockets have a trade exception and that move would keep both teams under the threshold.

Peter Holt saves money while the Spurs get worse :elephant

[MannyIsGod]

I would be very happy if the Spurs found themselves with Etan Thomas. He's a decent center and definetly a help on the glass.

[mountainballer]

Another way to get under the luxury threshold:

Trade Williams, a second round pick and cash to the Rockets for Scott Padgett. The Rockets have a trade exception and that move would keep both teams under the threshold.

Peter Holt saves money while the Spurs get worse :elephant

smart move, but wouldn't thos push the Rockets over the threshold? they are at 62.9 million right now. subtract Padgett (1 M), add Williams (4.3) and they get a payroll of 66.2. (the threshold is 65.4)
however, we could take back another of their dead contracts (Bowen?) and it would work.

[mountainballer]

I would be very happy if the Spurs found themselves with Etan Thomas. He's a decent center and definetly a help on the glass.

yes, he's decent, but decent at best. and considering that he makes another 20 million over 3 years, it would be a small improvement right now and a big regress for the next years, because Spurs would give up all their cap flexibility (under the tax threshold) and won't be able to do other (more important) moves. IMO Thomas isn't worth this.

Edit: if Spurs think about such a move, they should go for Jeff Foster. he would be cheaper, he get's "only" 11 million for the next two years, he is the better defender and rebounder than Thomas and (not that it was very important, but it is a nice aspect) he would be a hometown boy comming home. considering all the bigs the Pacers have now on their roster, he might be available.

[mountainballer]

Another way to get under the luxury threshold:

Trade Williams, a second round pick and cash to the Rockets for Scott Padgett. The Rockets have a trade exception and that move would keep both teams under the threshold.

Peter Holt saves money while the Spurs get worse :elephant

look. the Houston Chronical is speculating, what teams might be in the hunt for the trade exception of the Rockets (which expires on Tuesday) and they mention the Spurs and Butler. I also thought they might be very interested in Butler, they have to do something for their center position with Yao injured and Mutombo turning 80. they are one of the few teams still designed in this old fashion - big center stile.
I wonder if the Rockets would talk about including Chuck Hayes in the package. yes, he is undersized, but he is a hell of a rebounder and defender and if the Spurs in fact buyout Williams, Hayes would be quite an improvement if he takes the spot of Williams.



The Spurs are over the tax threshold, but even if the Rockets took Jackie Butler ($2.2 million) it would not quite put San Antonio under the tax.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4543625.html


this is a mistake IMO. if Spurs deal Butler, they should be almost 1 million under the threshold.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't realize Etan Thomas made so much money. Definitely not worth it then.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs dump Butler to avoid the Lux Tax...ugh

[timvp]

If the Spurs dump Butler to avoid the Lux Tax...ugh

Yeah, if the Spurs do that, I'd go full Ghostal mode up in here.

:hat

[Bruno]

There is a player who I think will be traded at the deadline : Reggie Evans. ;)

Denver needs to save some money after the AI trade and Evans is the best candidate for that : he has a quite big contract and he is Nuggets' 5th bigman (behind Camby, Nene, Najera and Kleiza).

[timvp]

There is a player who I think will be traded at the deadline : Reggie Evans. ;)

Denver needs to save some money after the AI trade and Evans is the best candidate for that : he has a quite big contract and he is Nuggets' 5th bigman (behind Camby, Nene, Najera and Kleiza).

At this point, I'd be willing to give up Eric Williams, Luis Scola and a future first round pick to get Evans. His rebounding and energy defensively would be huge.

Of course, the Spurs could have just signed him in the offseason ... but it's not too late to make up for that mistake.

:smokin

[1Parker1]

Evans AND Maggette would be my dream. A girl can hope....:angel

[timvp]

Man, Reggie Evans has turned into a defensive monster this year. Not only is he rebounding at a huge rate, he's turned the corner and is now a stopper on defense.

Per 100 possessions, teams have 7.8 few points against the Nuggets when Evans is in the game. That's one of the best numbers in the league.

When he's on the court, the Nuggets get offensive rebounds on 37.3% of missed shots. That's amazingly high. When he's off the court, they rebound the ball 47% of the time ... compared to 55% of the time when he's on the court.

Offensively, he scores more than Elson or Oberto and is shooting over 53% from the floor. He's even shooting over 40% on his jumpers.

:madrun

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Trade manu for elson.

[Kori Ellis]

Trade manu for elson.

If you would have said trade elson for manu, then it would have been reasonable. Two Manu's and no Elson on the Spurs would be pretty good.

[Holt's Cat]

Reggie Evans' contract ends in 2011.

[Kori Ellis]

If Danny Fortson were bought out, would you pick him up?

[boutons_]

Fortson? 20 PF/48 mins Fortson?

I've seen him be a monster rebounder, position/blocking out, and always seems to have his nose in the plays in crunch time, no fear

But he can't stay on the court because of PFs, and he's a flagrant thug.

[Kori Ellis]

Fortson? 20 PF/48 mins Fortson?

I've seen him be a monster rebounder, position/blocking out, and always seems to have his nose in the plays in crunch time, no fear

But he can't stay on the court because of PFs, and he's a flagrant thug.

So is that a No?

[boutons_]

yes, it's a no, great positives offset more than offset by the negatives.

[Gros Membres!]

Fortson? 20 PF/48 mins Fortson?

I've seen him be a monster rebounder, position/blocking out, and always seems to have his nose in the plays in crunch time, no fear

But he can't stay on the court because of PFs, and he's a flagrant thug.
I'd take him in a heartbeat over Horry or Oberto. Honestly, I hate the guy but he plays with heart and passion and I think with a team like the Spurs he would be a professional and hustle his ass off. A bigger, better, Malik with more attitude. IMHO, Fortson is what the Spurs need.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

There is a player who I think will be traded at the deadline : Reggie Evans. ;)

Denver needs to save some money after the AI trade and Evans is the best candidate for that : he has a quite big contract and he is Nuggets' 5th bigman (behind Camby, Nene, Najera and Kleiza).


I think you might see Eddie moved first. Eddie and Linas are very similar but LK has more of an offensive game (although eddie is averaging 18ppg over the last couple of games)

I hope they stay put so the team can get some chemistry going but if they move anyone, then i hope its eddie and not Reggie :smokin

[ducks]

Evans AND Maggette would be my dream. A girl can hope....:angel
I am not in your dreams :depressed

[ducks]

k brown from the lakers
lakers and spurs never trade

[Bruno]

I think you might see Eddie moved first.

I don't think so. Karl seems to like more Najera than Evans and Najera's contract is more friendly than Evans' one.

[Bruno]

If Danny Fortson were bought out, would you pick him up?

I don't know the state of his knees : he has been out for a lot of games but I guess that he isn't motivated to play with Seattle.
If he is healthy enough and if he really wants to play, why not : he can be worth a gamble like Glenn Robinson in 05.

[MannyIsGod]

Shit, I'd take the mexican too.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know the state of his knees : he has been out for a lot of games but I guess that he isn't motivated to play with Seattle.
If he is healthy enough and if he really wants to play, why not : he can be worth a gamble like Glenn Robinson in 05.

Rumor has it he got completely cleared to play by the Sonics doctors but that he doesn't want to play another game for them. So they might be looking to figure out a buyout soon.

[kris]

Rumor has it he got completely cleared to play by the Sonics doctors but that he doesn't want to play another game for them. So they might be looking to figure out a buyout soon.

Clean it up or I'm locking this thread.

Thanks.

[mountainballer]

There is a player who I think will be traded at the deadline : Reggie Evans. ;)

Denver needs to save some money after the AI trade and Evans is the best candidate for that : he has a quite big contract and he is Nuggets' 5th bigman (behind Camby, Nene, Najera and Kleiza).

there is one point about this.
like the Spurs the Nuggets are a little over the threshold (Spurs:66.7, Nuggets: 66.4), so whatever move they consider, they will try to save the money, that is necessary, to get under the (65.4 million) threshold. and the Nuggets know, that they have to do bigger moves to avoid to pay tons of laxtax in the future, they will try to do that in the summer.
and the other question will be, if the Nuggets want to trade with a Western team. they might rather ship him to a desperate Eastern team like the Nets, who's best rebounder happens to be their point guard.

[Bruno]

there is one point about this.
like the Spurs the Nuggets are a little over the threshold

Nuggets are slighty under the luxury tax with the Boykins trade and the fact that Melo salary is lower because of his suspension.

Only 4 teams are over the tax for the moment : Mavs, Knicks, Wolves and Spurs.

Mavs and knicks will stay over, Spurs will try to make a move to go under and For Minny, it will depend on Griffin case.



and the other question will be, if the Nuggets want to trade with a Western team. they might rather ship him to a desperate Eastern team like the Nets, who's best rebounder happens to be their point guard.

Nets don't have the expirings that Nuggets are looking for and they are too in Lux tax troubles : I'm not sure they are ready to take Evans salary. Rumor was that Nuggets have tried to find a third team in the AI trade to take Nene or Evans salary and that they have found nobody ready to take their contracts for expirings.

[mountainballer]

Nuggets are slighty under the luxury tax with the Boykins trade and the fact that Melo salary is lower because of his suspension.

Only 4 teams are over the tax for the moment : Mavs, Knicks, Wolves and Spurs.


so, are the numbers on Hoopyhype not accurate, or are there so many contracts not counting for lux tax? I know there is the amnesty rule (that helps the Lakers and the Blazers), but is Philly really under the threshold?

[mountainballer]

another question:
if Spurs would get Evans, what role would he get in the rotation?
Evans can only play PF, so how could the rotation work?
Spurs would have at least one big, who would fall out of the regular rotation, if not two.
I assume, that Spurs would only trade for Evans and pay him his contract, if he plays 20-25 minutes.
who's minutes will he take?
move Tim to C and start Evans at PF?
or pair him with Horry as the second unit, with Rob playing center?
I'm thinking of this scenarios, because I can't see a tandem of Evans+Elson or Evans+Oberto or Bonner+Evans work well in the frontcourt.

[Bruno]

so, are the numbers on Hoopyhype not accurate, or are there so many contracts not counting for lux tax? I know there is the amnesty rule (that helps the Lakers and the Blazers), but is Philly really under the threshold?

Hoopshype isn't always accurate. About Denver : they are at least wrong on Nene who signed a $60M/6 years contract and not a $60M/5 years contract.

There are two main categories of players who don't count against the tax : amnesty rule players (it was a one time exception) and players retired for medical reasons (with a very strict rule). Philly has one amnesty rule player : Aaron Mckie and two player retired for medical reasons : Jamal Mashburn (knee) and Tod MacCulloch (disease).

[mountainballer]

Hoopshype isn't always accurate. About Denver : they are at least wrong on Nene who signed a $60M/6 years contract and not a $60M/5 years contract.

There are two main categories of players who don't count against the tax : amnesty rule players (it was a one time exception) and players retired for medical reasons (with a very strict rule). Philly has one amnesty rule player : Aaron Mckie and two player retired for medical reasons : Jamal Mashburn (knee) and Tod MacCulloch (disease).

thx for the information!

[Nikos]

At this point if I were the Spurs I would take a gamble on any player that addresses a team weakness directly.

Danny Fortson included. And Reggie Evans I would take in a heartbeat. I think this team is too solid a unit to let one hot head like Fortson ruin everything. I think most players would respect the Spurs as a championship calibur team on and off the floor. They wouldn't ruin the team chemistry as easily as they might another team.

What I find interesting is that the Sonics in 2004-05 were not only a good team because they had Ray Allen and Rashard playing really well -- they were an excellent team because they simply had excellent offense and rebounding. Their defense might have been real horrible, but their rebounding really helped make them a playoff team. In the 2005-06 season Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis got BETTER on offense, and the team still suffered 17 additional losses from the previous season. True it wasn't solely because of the reduced Evans and Fortson play (they did lose Antonio Daniels as well) -- but it was still a huge factor.

One of those mega rebounders could easily make the Spurs an elite team again. It would definetely be worth the gamble.

Right now the Spurs look like a 53 win team and they need to either get some rebounders, or some sort of offensive minded player with athleticism and defensive talent.

[mountainballer]

Right now the Spurs look like a 53 win team and they need to either get some rebounders, or some sort of offensive minded player with athleticism and defensive talent.

the awful truth is, that the Spurs look like a 49 wins team, considering how the play since January. (the current pace would result in a below 50 wins season).
the shedule might help a bit, it doesn't look that tough (only one game to play against Mavs, Suns, Jazz, Rockets).

and can be said, that any quality player helps the Spurs, no matter what position and no matter, if he is a better offensive or defensive player.
(correction: any quality player, who is younger than 33)

[ArgSpursFan]

At this point if I were the Spurs I would take a gamble on any player that addresses a team weakness directly.

Right now the Spurs look like a 53 win team and they need to either get some rebounders, or some sort of offensive minded player with athleticism and defensive talent.

too late to bring Scola right now,the FO should´ve thought about it last summer.
Hopefully it´ll happen this offseason.

[Gros Membres!]

too late to bring Scola right now,the FO should´ve thought about it last summer.
Hopefully it´ll happen this offseason.
Okay, I figured it out--here's the order of operations-
1) Trade either Elson/Oberto/Butler + Beno for a big with D and rebounding skills (a Udonis Haslem type, but obviously not him).
2) Look for a SF in the draft and in free agency to replace Bowen. Ideally, a SF who could also be a guard if called upon (replacing Beno as the 3rd Guard)
3) Trade Finley for a solid backup point guard to a team in a youth movement. This would probably be a more of an offseason move after the draft. And screw loyalty, it sends the message that if you don't produce in SA after two years then we'll trade your ass.
4) Sign Scola if we have any money left over.



Anyone know what our offseason resources will be? Late first round pick and an early 2nd round pick? Is that right? How about money to spend in FA? :wakeup

[Kori Ellis]

...

Anyone know what our offseason resources will be? Late first round pick and an early 2nd round pick? Is that right? How about money to spend in FA? :wakeup

The only money they will have to spend is the Mid-Level Exception - around $5M. They will have one first round pick and maybe two seconds.

[AFBlue]

The only money they will have to spend is the Mid-Level Exception - around $5M. They will have one first round pick and maybe two seconds.

Think it's AT LEAST two 2nd rounders and MAYBE a third. But either way, the picks are mid to late second round which is questionable if you're looking for contributors, especially in the short term.

[Gros Membres!]

The only money they will have to spend is the Mid-Level Exception - around $5M. They will have one first round pick and maybe two seconds.
From what I've read, our 1st round pick is tied to the Bucks. If that's the case, it shouldn't be half bad. Should be able to find some immediate talent there. The question is, does Pop have the balls to play young, untested talent?

[Gros Membres!]

Rumor has it he got completely cleared to play by the Sonics doctors but that he doesn't want to play another game for them. So they might be looking to figure out a buyout soon.
Bring on Danny Fortson. Move Bruce to the bench and start Barry or Finley in Bruce's place.

[Kori Ellis]

From what I've read, our 1st round pick is tied to the Bucks. If that's the case, it shouldn't be half bad. Should be able to find some immediate talent there. The question is, does Pop have the balls to play young, untested talent?

No, their 1st rounder doesn't have anything to do with the Bucks.

Their first round pick is their own.

Then I belive they will have their own 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick from the Bucks from the Markota. And they have a possibility of another 2nd round pick if the Bulls don't finish in the top 9 picks (? someone else can clarity that).

[AFBlue]

From what I've read, our 1st round pick is tied to the Bucks. If that's the case, it shouldn't be half bad. Should be able to find some immediate talent there. The question is, does Pop have the balls to play young, untested talent?

The Spurs' first-rounder is their own. They also have their own second rounder and a Bucks second-rounder (better of theirs or another one they've got from another team). They also have the Bulls' second rounder if they're better than bottom 9 record....a.k.a. it's Top-9 Pick protected.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs' first-rounder is their own. They also have their own second rounder and a Bucks second-rounder (better of theirs or another one they've got from another team). They also have the Bulls' second rounder if they're better than bottom 9 record....a.k.a. it's Top-9 Pick protected.

The Bulls 2nd is actually the opposite of Top-9 protected; if it ends up from 51-60, it belongs to the Spurs. Anywhere else in the round, I believe it belongs to Portland.

That said, I've only seen this in one place and other draft sites don't have it, so I'm not sure it's correct.

[Bruno]

That said, I've only seen this in one place and other draft sites don't have it, so I'm not sure it's correct.

Johnny Ludden has too said in one of his article that Spurs could get 3 second round picks in 07.

Edit : http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA072206.1C.BKNspurs.center.1375805.html


Next year, the Spurs could have as many as four draft picks (one in the first round and three in the second) in what figures to be a considerably deeper pool of talent.

[Mr. Body]

... but we're not sure if he's only getting it from this site.

Be awesome if they can get an extra second rounder. I think it's true, but not sure.

[Bruno]

... but we're not sure if he's only getting it from this site.


:lol
It's well known that Ludden isn't close at all to Spurs FO and can't get any info from them.

[AFBlue]

The Bulls 2nd is actually the opposite of Top-9 protected; if it ends up from 51-60, it belongs to the Spurs. Anywhere else in the round, I believe it belongs to Portland.

That said, I've only seen this in one place and other draft sites don't have it, so I'm not sure it's correct.

ahh I see....well that's retarded, but a pick is a pick I guess.

[Mr. Body]

:lol
It's well known that Ludden isn't close at all to Spurs FO and can't get any info from them.

*shrugs*

[Maddog]

having 3 second rounders and and their own 1st is grea- However if retained it is unlikely to be of immediate help. Even the great so- called missies of 03 Barbosa nad Howard took a year or two to blossom. This team needs help now or very soon.

[AFBlue]

having 3 second rounders and and their own 1st is grea- However if retained it is unlikely to be of immediate help. Even the great so- called missies of 03 Barbosa nad Howard took a year or two to blossom. This team needs help now or very soon.

With a draft this deep, potentially, there should be a few "immediate contributors" that last until the latter half of the first round, but your point is well taken...especially with Pop's reluctance to play young players immediately.

[Mr. Body]

having 3 second rounders and and their own 1st is grea- However if retained it is unlikely to be of immediate help. Even the great so- called missies of 03 Barbosa nad Howard took a year or two to blossom. This team needs help now or very soon.

That second late 2nd rounder helps at least marginally, since it's a freebie 'international pick-n-stash', increasing the likelihood the Spurs take a domestic player around there. Some drafts have a decent prospect like a Curtis Sumpter down that late. More likely the Spurs draft Sergei Karaulov's brother, sight unseen. Or they can package two late picks for a pick in the middle of the second round.

In any case, it will take two years, probably, to update this team. Plan 2008 is still very important, because they can bring in a couple good players in the midst of their careers. But they have to start with a very good draft this year.

[mountainballer]

More likely the Spurs draft Sergei Karaulov's brother, sight unseen.

:lol

or maybe they draft Borat Sagdiyev.

[Maddog]

With a draft this deep, potentially, there should be a few "immediate contributors" that last until the latter half of the first round, but your point is well taken...especially with Pop's reluctance to play young players immediately.

my fingers are crossed, but I'm not sure I see help around the corner for this year or next. Yhis is a concern as the window of oppurtunity is shortening with Tim and Manu. Of course after 02 I didn't see a title in 03.
As as Pop's reluctance to play young players- I would disagree to a small extent. Tony started as a rookie and Beno got major minutes as a rookie, Claxton was a second year player. I think it's clearly a case by case scenario. Recently the Spurs haven't had a lot of good young players.

[AFBlue]

my fingers are crossed, but I'm not sure I see help around the corner for this year or next. Yhis is a concern as the window of oppurtunity is shortening with Tim and Manu. Of course after 02 I didn't see a title in 03.
As as Pop's reluctance to play young players- I would disagree to a small extent. Tony started as a rookie and Beno got major minutes as a rookie, Claxton was a second year player. I think it's clearly a case by case scenario. Recently the Spurs haven't had a lot of good young players.


I realize Tony, Beno and Speedy got alot of "burn" as young players, but it seems that they were given the opportunity due to "roster turnover". I just don't see much room for "new blood" in next year's roster. Horry and Bonner are the only players of consequence to the rotation that come off the books for sure. Given that both duplicate a talent (3pt shooting), I see only one coming back. This gives room for a Scola (if he signs) or a Butler to step in, though the minutes would be undecided. Other than that, Oberto and Finley have player options, though it's likely they'll exercise those options as there doesn't seem to be a market willing to give them more than they make + playing time.

Bottom Line: Next year's likely roster has little potential for current Spurs riding the pine (Butler & White) to step up, let alone players that have yet to be drafted.


BTW....is James White under contract with the Spurs next year or was that multi-year contract with the Pacers? Is he a FA in summer?

[Maddog]

I think if a player is halfway decent Pop will play him. I'm not real sure about Butler- but from what I have seen and what Ludden has written-At present he is not that good.
I think next pre-season early part of the season a lot people could get looks. White was brought in a little late and Butler was a blob.

[Big P]

James White is under contract next year for $687,456.

[AFBlue]

I think if a player is halfway decent Pop will play him. I'm not real sure about Butler- but from what I have seen and what Ludden has written-At present he is not that good.
I think next pre-season early part of the season a lot people could get looks. White was brought in a little late and Butler was a blob.

Always back to the Ludden article and assumptions on Butler based on lack of PT with some people....

Ludden made one comment in one article, which was a Q&A session...saying that the coaching staff "hadn't seen much." That plus his lack of PT (25 minutes TOTAL in 5 games) leads people to the conclusion that he can't play. Well, I don't buy it. I think this kid is certainly a project, but I wouldn't put it past him to play and produce if given the opportunity...therein lies the problem.

As you alluded to with the "late arrival" of James White, Pop seems to set his rotation...or at least the 12 he likes to dress out at a very early time and stick with that group for the season. Bonner, for instance, only got PT because others went down with injury and it's happened in past (Oberto wouldn't see the light of day if Nazr and Rasho were still on the team).

You are right about summer league and preseason for next year....there could be some really critical decisions made for the future at that time.

[AFBlue]

James White is under contract next year for $687,456.

Great, that'll give the Spurs another year to evaluate whether he's a piece on this team for the long-term. Hopefully Finley opts out for some crazy reason and presents Flight with the opportunity to perform.

[mountainballer]

having 3 second rounders and and their own 1st is grea- However if retained it is unlikely to be of immediate help. Even the great so- called missies of 03 Barbosa nad Howard took a year or two to blossom. This team needs help now or very soon.

in the current situation, Spurs should go for a NBA ready player in the draft and not speculate on upside (like when they drafted Mahinmi and Sanikidze)
the next draft will see some of the more expirienced players slip, because of all the freshmen who will enter the draft.

the best case scenario for the Spurs might be, that Alondo Tucker slips till the end of first round. or also Acie Law.
the Spurs are not in urgent need for special talent, they still have it in Tim, Tony and Manu, but they are desperate for athletic role players.
I can see Tucker and Law (and maybe some more) contribute right away and for sure be an upgrade over Beno, Barry and Finley, even with no NBA expirience.
the other option is of course Scola. with his expirience, he should be able to become an impact player soon. (it took Manu half a season to adjust to the NBA, Scola might be similar). the third option was a FA for the MLE. (dream scenario: Gerald Wallace becomes a FA, can't get a bigger contract because cap-space teams go for Billups, Carter, Lewis, Nocioni, Varejao and then signs a long term contract for the MLE)
those three should help, if Tim and Scola can co-exist, Scola would start soon and Tim move to center. a back-up PG comes via trade, so does a center.
a starting 5 of Tony-Manu-Wallace-Scola-Tim looks contender to me.
(wow, I'm desperate. it's 2 AM here in Europe)

[spurtime]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Manu Ginobili
6-6 SG from Argentina (Foreign)
16.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 28.1 minutes

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.5 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.2 minutes

Robert Horry
6-10 PF from Alabama
3.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.4 minutes

Matt Bonner
6-8 PF from Florida
4.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.4 minutes

Incoming

Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
12.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.6 apg in 29.9 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
2.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.6 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
13.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -1.5 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Golden State and San Antonio being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and San Antonio had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Kori Ellis]

James White is under contract next year for $687,456.

It's a team option.

[Marcus Bryant]

Wait, why are Spurs fans trading Manu?

[Kori Ellis]

Wait, why are Spurs fans trading Manu?

Same reason they are trading Tony, I guess :lol

[spurtime]

Wait, why are Spurs fans trading Manu?

You have to give up something to get something. The way I look at it, The Timmy window is closing fast. The more talent we can surround him with the better. I love Manu, but I also realize that he's lost a step and isn't as consistently dominant as he was a few years ago.

The reason I mention GS as a potential trade partner is because #1 They seem to be writing off this season after Baron Davis' recent knee troubles, #2 They seem willing to unload their high dollar long term deals, like JRich and Foyle, after they already moved Mrphy and Dunleavy and #3 They have a glut at the 2/3 spot since the Indy trade.

I recognize that JRich's deal goes beyond the accepted wisdom in terms of length. But this team needs an infusion of athleticism and young depth at the 2/3 spots. JRich and Pietrus would provide that. I added the Foyle deal as an incentive for GS to get a deal done...He's got a bad contract. Foyle is serviceable enough to make up for some of the minutes we lose from Horry and Bonner (if and when he's healthy).

[TMTTRIO]

Honestly I wouldn't mind trading Manu or letting him go. At least we would stop having all these Tony vs Manu threads :smokin.

[Gros Membres!]

Honestly I wouldn't mind trading Manu or letting him go.
Count me in...I'd rather see Many go than Tony. And I love Manu (yes, got the jersey). I love the way he plays the game but I don't see how his body can hold up much longer the way he has been playing for the past 3 years. If GS had any other big man other than Foyle I would certainly consider it. Foyle is the deal breaker here.

[spurtime]

Count me in...I'd rather see Many go than Tony. And I love Manu (yes, got the jersey). I love the way he plays the game but I don't see how his body can hold up much longer the way he has been playing for the past 3 years. If GS had any other big man other than Foyle I would certainly consider it. Foyle is the deal breaker here.

I'm glad you can be objective about this. Manu is the most expendable of the big 3. If he could get us 2 very good players we might need to make a move. The obvious question is whether we could mesh prior to the playoffs if we made this deal. My answer to that is that we look like first round fodder as it is.

The reason I made Foyle a part of the package is that I think our taking his deal is the only reason the Warriors would make a trade.

[pad300]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Manu Ginobili
6-6 SG from Argentina (Foreign)
16.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 28.1 minutes

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.5 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.2 minutes

Robert Horry
6-10 PF from Alabama
3.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.4 minutes

Matt Bonner
6-8 PF from Florida
4.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.4 minutes

Incoming

Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
12.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.6 apg in 29.9 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
2.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.6 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
13.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -1.5 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Golden State and San Antonio being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and San Antonio had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Do you really think that Richardson and Pietrus are so much better than say Corey Magette and James Singleton. Consider that Magette and Singleton for Manu works straight up. The spurs don't have to take Foyle's contract, Keep Bonner and Horry for the playoffs, and can use William's expiring as bait for a back-up pg. And I'm pretty sure that the Clippers would take that trade.

Although I'm not philosophically opposed to trading Manu, I will say that if we do, we should try to get a better deal than what you have proposed.

[timvp]

Uh there might be five players in the NBA I'd trade Manu for.

Might.

[ArgSpursFan]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Manu Ginobili
6-6 SG from Argentina (Foreign)
16.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 28.1 minutes

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.5 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.2 minutes

Robert Horry
6-10 PF from Alabama
3.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.4 minutes

Matt Bonner
6-8 PF from Florida
4.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.4 minutes

Incoming

Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
12.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.6 apg in 29.9 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
2.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.6 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
13.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -1.5 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Golden State and San Antonio being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and San Antonio had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

If Manu was a selfish guy who just wanna show off night in and out,he´d love to go to golden state,He could be bigger tham Wade playing for a Don Nelson´s team,puttin 20+ppg 30+mpg and 7+apg.
But He just wanna win.Even coming from the bench

[ArgSpursFan]

A question to you all,Can the spurs offer Oberto to Tau in order to lower Scola´s Buy out and finally bring him to SA?like a kind of trade but outside the NBA
would this work?

[spurtime]

Do you really think that Richardson and Pietrus are so much better than say Corey Magette and James Singleton. Consider that Magette and Singleton for Manu works straight up. The spurs don't have to take Foyle's contract, Keep Bonner and Horry for the playoffs, and can use William's expiring as bait for a back-up pg. And I'm pretty sure that the Clippers would take that trade.

Although I'm not philosophically opposed to trading Manu, I will say that if we do, we should try to get a better deal than what you have proposed.

I think JRich is better than Maggette and Singleton combined. He's just had some freak injuries this year. From a pure talent standpoint I think you're wrong. What kind of player do you think we can get? Paul Pierce?

[spurtime]

If Manu was a selfish guy who just wanna show off night in and out,he´d love to go to golden state,He could be bigger tham Wade playing for a Don Nelson´s team,puttin 20+ppg 30+mpg and 7+apg.
But He just wanna win.Even coming from the bench

Listen...I'm not pushing Manu out the door or anything. I love him as a player and he has my respect. I also realize that he's the most expendable of the big 3 and could bring us back players that might turn our fortunes around. It would suck to lose Manu in the process, but I don't think we can get back the type of talent we need without considering it.

[ArgSpursFan]

Listen...I'm not pushing Manu out the door or anything. I love him as a player and he has my respect. I also realize that he's the most expendable of the big 3 and could bring us back players that might turn our fortunes around. It would suck to lose Manu in the process, but I don't think we can get back the type of talent we need without considering it.

i wasn´t being sarcastic,spurtime,I was just being honest,and was giving you my opinion about your trade scenario.
But who do you think will win out of that trade?
the spurs or the Warriors?
who would increase the home game tickets sales,and maybe a chance to become a playoffs more serious team?
and ,you honestly think that richardson and pietro can do what manu is doing right now for the spurs?
you need to put that on the incoming/outgoing stuffs as well.
I think the Warriors would do it in a heart beat