Off-Topic/Minor MMA News and Notes

[dbreiden83080]

Here is a few GSP quotes as per 411mania/mma

On his fight with BJ Penn at UFC 94 in January:

"I'm a different fighter than I used to be. And he is as well. This time, I want to take him out. I don't want to go to a decision. I want to finish him."

And i fully expect that he will do just that. Penn is a great fighter but as long as GSP takes it to him with his pace and versatility, by RD 4 or 5, he is going to take BJ out. No way Penn has the gas tank to hang with GSP for 5 rds, not a chance.


On a possible fight with Anderson Silva:

"A lot of people have been challenging me so far. I have a lot of friends at 185. To tell you the truth, I'm not afraid of challenging nobody at 185. I'm very confident in myself.

"I think I can do pretty well (against Silva). I think I'm a different fighter than all the guys who have fought him in the past. There's only one way to find out.

"It's a fight that everybody wants to see, including myself."

It's a mega fight for sure. I think GSP has a little more to do at 170 past Penn though. Love to see him fight Alves, maybe a Koscheck rematch there are a lot of great fights out there for GSP.

Doesn't sound like we have to worry about his contract status Evan.

[Evan]

Doesn't sound like we have to worry about his contract status Evan.

I'm sure he will re-sign. I never said I wasn't.

Its just something to watch out for now as I think he will sign a ground breaking contract no matter what happens.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust wish it wasn't taking so long.

[dbreiden83080]

I'm sure he will re-sign. I never said I wasn't.

Its just something to watch out for now as I think he will sign a ground breaking contract no matter what happens.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust wish it wasn't taking so long.

The only thing is they have the Penn fight booked and if he were to lose i am sure the UFC would try and dick him over big time.

[Evan]

The only thing is they have the Penn fight booked and if he were to lose i am sure the UFC would try and dick him over big time.

Here is what I would bet anything on has happened.

UFC gave him contract A which is huge

GSP's reps gave Dana contract B

UFC said they will accept contract B but only if he wins...if not...he gets Contract C.

Does that make sense?

I think GSP is laying it all out on the line for the biggest UFC contract of all time. UFC seems to give two contracts to big stars. A per fight contract with no win bonus like Penn or a escalating show/win contract like most take.

[dbreiden83080]

Here is what I would bet anything on has happened.

UFC gave him contract A which is huge

GSP's reps gave Dana contract B

UFC said they will accept contract B but only if he wins...if not...he gets Contract C.

Does that make sense?

I think GSP is laying it all out on the line for the biggest UFC contract of all time. UFC seems to give two contracts to big stars. A per fight contract with no win bonus like Penn or a escalating show/win contract like most take.


Do you know if he is getting PPV cuts right now?

I know GSP made about 200 grand on his last couple fights with bonuses

[Evan]

Do you know if he is getting PPV cuts right now?

I know GSP made about 200 grand on his last couple fights with bonuses


Yessir he is...he stated somewhere he ended up making 900k total for his last fight from the UFC alone. Think it was on sirius radio. Plus he is the only fighter still allowed to wear affliction shirts.

I would say GSP has more pull in the UFC than anyone else by a mile.

If that dude learns how to speak clear English he will double his income over night. He's a good looking clean cut dude who is a badass and is great in front of the camera. What else can you ask for in marketing?

Fedor, Chuck, Arlovski, Nog, Anderson etc all suck on camera yet they are all bad asses... GSP has so much over those guys and he.is.so.young. Dude hasn't even come close to his peak IMO. He needed to be humbled and he was by Serra...best thing that ever happened to him.

[dbreiden83080]

Yessir he is...he stated somewhere he ended up making 900k total for his last fight from the UFC alone. Think it was on sirius radio. Plus he is the only fighter still allowed to wear affliction shirts.

Nice, well earned too. The UFC does take care of the big star fighters pretty well, just wish they were more generous to some of the up and comers. It always annoyed me how Tito would just talk about his base money of about 250 grand and not mention how much he was making in bonuses. He was probably making over a mil a fight with the UFC for a long time.

"I would say GSP has more pull in the UFC than anyone else by a mile"

Well Chuck is still making the most money and i think Randy's new deal might make him 2nd, heard that somewhere but both those guys are obviously on their way out, especially Chuck.

"If that dude learns how to speak clear English he will double his income over night. He's a good looking clean cut dude who is a badass and is great in front of the camera. What else can you ask for in marketing?"

His English is actually so much better NOW than even it was like 2 years ago.

"Fedor, Chuck, Arlovski, Nog, Anderson etc all suck on camera yet they are all bad asses... GSP has so much over those guys and he.is.so.young. Dude hasn't even come close to his peak IMO. He needed to be humbled and he was by Serra...best thing that ever happened to him"


Don't have to tell me, GSP is my fav MMA fighter by far, i love the guy. His ceiling is through the roof, just has to stay healthy and focused and he'll rule the sport of years to come.

[Evan]

The UFC does take care of the big star fighters pretty well, just wish they were more generous to some of the up and comers.

Agree...but...they do allow them to have those banners behind them so that needs to be considered. UFC could easily put their own sponsers behind the fighters and take the money. Just trying to play devils advocate as I often do here since I love the debates.


It always annoyed me how Tito would just talk about his base money of about 250 grand and not mention how much he was making in bonuses. He was probably making over a mil a fight with the UFC for a long time.

Tito stated in his autobiography his fight with Rashad earned him a million and who knows what he earned against Lyoto since the book was written before that.


"I would say GSP has more pull in the UFC than anyone else by a mile"

Well Chuck is still making the most money and i think Randy's new deal might make him 2nd, heard that somewhere but both those guys are obviously on their way out, especially Chuck.

Good points. But if Dana's secretary says he has two calls waiting and its GSP and Chuck...who's do you think gets answered first? :p:

[dbreiden83080]

Agree...but...they do allow them to have those banners behind them so that needs to be considered. UFC could easily put their own sponsers behind the fighters and take the money. Just trying to play devils advocate as I often do here since I love the debates.


What is your stand on the TUF contracts?? I heard that is the main reason Jardine is still only making like 10 grand base pay. Hammill just got only 10 grand for the Franklin fight. I have heard a lot that those TUF deals are just lousy and the only way you make a lot of money is if you go on like a 9 fight win streak. Have you heard similiar things or are there a lot of bonuses their i am not aware of??

[oligarchy]

What is your stand on the TUF contracts?? I heard that is the main reason Jardine is still only making like 10 grand base pay. Hammill just got only 10 grand for the Franklin fight. I have heard a lot that those TUF deals are just lousy and the only way you make a lot of money is if you go on like a 9 fight win streak. Have you heard similiar things or are there a lot of bonuses their i am not aware of??

They get more money than what is stated to the commission (E.g. Griffin, Jardine, etc.). What is reported is only their base salary. How much more? Who knows? It's enough for them to accept their fights.

The standard contracts are signed before the season even starts. The winners sign the '6-figure' contract as an update to their original contract and it's more than 10,000 dollars per fight.

[Evan]

They get more money than what is stated to the commission (E.g. Griffin, Jardine, etc.). What is reported is only their base salary. How much more? Who knows? It's enough for them to accept their fights.

The standard contracts are signed before the season even starts. The winners sign the '6-figure' contract as an update to their original contract and it's more than 10,000 dollars per fight.

^agree 100%.

After reading all of these MMA biography's available I am completely convinced that the payouts we see are only half the story.

Example...After Chuck beat down Babalu he was talking to him before he got wheeled away to the hospital and Dana came out to say good bye to Babalu and haded him a nice bonus check.

Here's my quick thoughts on money in MMA (we have had this discussion a few times but whatever...its all in good fun)

- We haven't a clue how much these guys make

- Nobody can make money in MMA and stick around except the UFC so I am guessing their salaries are fair whatever they are. Affliction has only put on 1 show and a lot of their roster got screwed with that last cancellation. When was the last time chris horodecki got a paycheck?

- The UFC could probably pay more but they pump a ton of money back into the sport. What other MMA does or has? This venture http://www.mmafacts.com/ (UFC owns that website BTW) to get MMA regulated nation wide is costing them a fortune.

- Only a couple of fighters have complained. Thats significant.

- I want these guys to get every penny they can but I am convinced they are.

[djohn14]

I know, in the NFL you have all of these holdout issues and what not. In the NBA and MLB there are a lot of players that have contract issues. In MMA, and UFC in general...not so much. Like Evan said, that is significant.

[Evan]

Besides...I'm not sure why people get so upset about it. If they fighters and agents aren't complaining...we the fans shouldn't worry.

[djohn14]

I agree

[dallaskd]

u shore?
http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/09/29/fedor-still-talking-that-new-years-eve-jive/

[djohn14]

ATTENTION...TUF SPOILER...TUF SPOILER...READ ON IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED!

This is from 411 mania

The lightweight fighter who Dana White called "the next Anderson Silva" on this season's "Ultimate Fighter" is apparently the winner of this week's fight.




END OF SPOILER!!!!PLEASE DO NOT MAKE REFRENCE TO IT, SOME PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BE SPOILED!

[desflood]

Shamrock vs. Shamrock - signed?

According to an article on ESPN.com, the fight is signed and the particulars are being sorted out.

"We've both signed a contract to fight each other," younger brother Frank Shamrock told ESPN.com. "Ken is down with it. We talked about it two years ago, and we've agreed materially to fight."

"Will the fight happen? Absolutely," Ken Shamrock told ESPN.com. "He's got a buttkicking coming to him. Everything I've learned, everything I have bottled up in me, is going to come out on him. I've still got love for Frank, but I'm angry at him."

It will most likely be under the EliteXC banner, probably some time in April of next year.

[Evan]

should have happened in the IFL

[desflood]

Yes, in a way it's very similar to Chuck/Wandy - something that would have had much more relevance had it happened five years ago.

[djohn14]

I bet it dosent happen at all though.

[Evan]

I hope nobody makes reference to djohn's post...I intensionally did not read it.

[desflood]

The only name specifically mentioned was Dana White, if that helps change your mind. Not that that will help your spelling any.

Intensionally?

[Evan]

Intensionally?

shush.....

leave me alone...I'm all kinds of Cowboys butthurt right now

[desflood]

Oh, poor baby. Did the Cowboys self-destruct again today?

[Evan]

Oh, poor baby. Did the Cowboys self-destruct again today?

made the challenger look like a fire cracker

[djohn14]

Sorry Evan, Ill edit it to where that wont happen!

[djohn14]

made the challenger look like a fire cracker

Boy did they...you just couldnt do my Rams a favor could you?

[Evan]

Sorry Evan, Ill edit it to where that wont happen!

No I don't care..sorry! I didn't mean to tell you what to post...I was leaving that comment so other people would be careful how they comment on it. Sorry

[Evan]

Boy did they...you just couldnt do my Rams a favor could you?

so stressful being a sports fan...I don't know why I do it to myself...

[polandprzem]

http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/kimboskating_153.gif

I had to :lol

[Evan]

^^^hah

I think its about time to write off Cung Le as a serious contender.


Le isn't expected to be ready to get back in the cage until the second quarter of 2009.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13002/strikeforce-nears-launch-of-live-fights-on-nbc.mma

He's a great fighter but I don't think he is into training 8 hours a day for 6 days a week like the rest of the guys. He just doesn't want to fight that much. No big deal but I was hoping.

[LEONARD]

Don’t mess with Dana…just ask Huerta…
http://www.mmaeruption.com/2008/10/roger-huerta-officially-squashed-by-ufc.html

[djohn14]

For those of you wondering about Stephan Bonner....He returns to the Octagon at UFC 94 to face my favorite young fighter...Jon Jones!!!

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/13/stephan-bonnar-and-jon-jones-expected-to-make-octagon-returns-against-each-other-at-ufc-94/

[Evan]

Don’t mess with Dana…just ask Huerta…
http://www.mmaeruption.com/2008/10/roger-huerta-officially-squashed-by-ufc.html

Oops. They were really trying to build him into a super star. If you notice they even have a Roger banner in the TUF gym. Wasn't he asking for more money the BJ Penn makes? Publicly negotiating a contract didn't work so well did it, Roger?

I like the guy a lot…hope this works out. I wouldn't bury him like the write up says though…this could be a ploy by the UFC and nothing more.

[dbreiden83080]

Oops. They were really trying to build him into a super star. If you notice they even have a Roger banner in the TUF gym. Wasn't he asking for more money the BJ Penn makes? Publicly negotiating a contract didn't work so well did it, Roger?

I like the guy a lot…hope this works out. I wouldn't bury him like the write up says though…this could be a ploy by the UFC and nothing more.

Ouch

Yeah bitching about money, when you are on your last fight of your current deal, only to lose that fight puts you in a bad spot going forward. I like Roger, i expect something to get worked out here but he is going to get far less than he wanted.

[Evan]

Ouch

Yeah bitching about money, when you are on your last fight of your current deal, only to lose that fight puts you in a bad spot going forward. I like Roger, i expect something to get worked out here but he is going to get far less than he wanted.

Trying to remember what Dana said during the pre-fight press conference…did he say Something Like "until he beats Kenny he hasn't done enough…and if he beats Kenny we can talk about that contract" ??????

[Evan]

For those of you wondering about Stephan Bonner....He returns to the Octagon at UFC 94 to face my favorite young fighter...Jon Jones!!!

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/13/stephan-bonnar-and-jon-jones-expected-to-make-octagon-returns-against-each-other-at-ufc-94/

I wanted to see Wanderlei knoc his head into the rafters….bOOm!

Hey hows your leg?

[djohn14]

I wanted to see Wanderlei knoc his head into the rafters….bOOm!

Hey hows your leg?


Why dont you like Bonner?

Thanks for asking. Its a lot better. I can walk without crutches...not to good, but I feel very little pain. It was a strange break, but I went back for a checkup last Thursday i think and they said in around 6-8 weeks it should be around 100 percent.

[BlackSwordsMan]

For those of you wondering about Stephan Bonner....He returns to the Octagon at UFC 94 to face my favorite young fighter...Jon Jones!!!

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/13/stephan-bonnar-and-jon-jones-expected-to-make-octagon-returns-against-each-other-at-ufc-94/

*crosses fingers he can stay clean this time*

[Evan]

Why dont you like Bonner?.

Oh that whole steroid thing...I should give him a second chance I guess. After all...he did man up and admit it.

I liked him a lot before that.

[djohn14]

Oh that whole steroid thing...I should give him a second chance I guess. After all...he did man up and admit it.

I liked him a lot before that.

Ah, I see. Ill be honest...if it wasnt for that epic fight....I probably wouldnt care much for him.

[dallaskd]

Don’t mess with Dana…just ask Huerta…
http://www.mmaeruption.com/2008/10/roger-huerta-officially-squashed-by-ufc.html

I'd like to see him in Japan. See him throw hands with Mach, Hansen..

[Evan]

I'd like to see him in Japan. See him throw hands with Mach, Hansen..

hah...what irony that would be. He complains about UFC pay and Japan is notorious for not paying their fighters. They still owe money from Rampage to Diaz. Diaz is owed money from Pride and Dream.

[dallaskd]

hah...what irony that would be. He complains about UFC pay and Japan is notorious for not paying their fighters. They still owe money from Rampage to Diaz. Diaz is owed money from Pride and Dream.

wow..well he really has no options at this point unless Affliction pays him and I'm not sure they even have a LW division put together right now.

[dallaskd]

pretty good card from Friday...just watched the fights..

-Ryan Hass defeats Ian Omalza by submission (Armbar) at 3:09 of R1.
-Elena Reid defeats Stephanie Palmer by TKO (Punch) at 0:53 of R1.
-Patrick “Kui” Gonsalves defeats Shawn David by submission (Kimura) at 3:51 of R2.
-Jonathan Mix defeats John Halverson by TKO (strikes) at 4:25 of R1.
-Josh Haynes defeats Sean Salmon by submission (achilles lock) at 2:49 of R2.
-John Alessio defeats Gideon Ray by TKO (Strikes) at 0:45 of R1.
-Mike Pyle defeats Brian Gassaway by submission (Armbar) at 4:21 of R1.
-Jay Hieron defeats Chris Kennedy by unanimous decision.
-Hector Ramirez defeats Rick Roufus by unanimous decision.

Alot of notable names including the worst nickname in mma- Hector "Sickdawg" Ramirez.

[LEONARD]

Poor Salmon...lost to Josh "Muffintop" Haynes

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshaynessalmon/1023.jpg

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshaynessalmon/1024.jpg

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshaynessalmon/1025.jpg

[LEONARD]

Holy shit...from Hieron's fight...
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshieronkennedy/1004.jpg

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshieronkennedy/1007.jpg

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/101108anightoffightshieronkennedy/1011.jpg

[dbreiden83080]

Poor Salmon...lost to Josh "Muffintop" Haynes


You suck something awful when you lose to him

[Evan]

You suck something awful when you lose to him

:lol :lmao Karma for screwing over HDNet Fights boyo-

Sean Salmon…the human KO highlight factory.

[dbreiden83080]

Dana White, just cause it's funny :lol

(Shockingly parental discretion advised)




vIoAe3IK6AA

[dallaskd]

Dana White, just cause it's funny :lol

(Shockingly parental discretion advised)




vIoAe3IK6AA


Is Dana married?

[Evan]

Is Dana married?

with 3 kids

[dallaskd]

what a role model...

[dbreiden83080]

what a role model...

If they ask about it he probably just says something like

"That is just Daddy playing a character on TV, don't take it seriously"

[Evan]

what a role model...

ah cmon...the guy doesn't drink or do drugs...his kids are set up for life and will go to great schools.

So he has a foul mouth.

I used to hate the guy and I like him a lot now.

[Evan]

wow..well he really has no options at this point unless Affliction pays him and I'm not sure they even have a LW division put together right now.

Little clean-up from this conversation via fightlinker quoting a Japanese blog that has some speculation. Shaky source at best concerning the money owed Diaz that just popped up.


Dream pays Nick Diaz in full from his last bout in May. Diaz agrees to return to fight in Japan, however at this point it is unclear for which organization. - GracieFighter

A quite big Japanese MMA blog made a post today that KJ Noons, Charles “Krazy Horse” Bennett, and Nick Diaz are going to SENGOKU and that KJ Noons will most likely debut on the New Years Event.

[dbreiden83080]

ah cmon...the guy doesn't drink or do drugs...his kids are set up for life and will go to great schools.


I guarantee you with the way he is jet-setting all over the place, he drinks and parties plenty.

[djohn14]

Charles Bennett...I hate him so much. He is the biggest jackass ever...bar none. Diaz and KJ are gonna have to fight somewhere....

[Evan]

I guarantee you with the way he is jet-setting all over the place, he drinks and parties plenty.

I doubt he has time. That guy works too much. Have you watched and of those pre-fight youtube videos?

Have you ever seen him, with all of the pics, at an after party trashed? Sure he may have a drink but I wouldn't call him a "drinker" as in someone who indulges. Look at all of those videos where he is up at 4 am working and he is stone sober.

Guy has gotten bigger lately and isn't just round...seems focused on his health...hell I dunno...just doesn't seem like the type.

[djohn14]

I agree with what you said Evan. Dana is very focused on work, and when he isnt working he probably spends time with his family.

[dallaskd]

funny moments in MMA...

ApoYNepEb7s

[Evan]

crazy...whats the story with that Bennett fight when he used the ropes to raise himself to kick? Did he get a warning or anything? Crazy stuff....

[angelbelow]

to me, dana looks like he got buff too.

[Evan]

^^^greatest avatar ever

[dbreiden83080]

I doubt he has time. That guy works too much. Have you watched and of those pre-fight youtube videos?

Have you ever seen him, with all of the pics, at an after party trashed? Sure he may have a drink but I wouldn't call him a "drinker" as in someone who indulges. Look at all of those videos where he is up at 4 am working and he is stone sober.

Guy has gotten bigger lately and isn't just round...seems focused on his health...hell I dunno...just doesn't seem like the type.

Good Points, on second thought, yeah your right he probably doesn't party all that much. I still don't care for Dana's attitude though. I respect all he has done for MMA and lord knows i love the UFC, but all the cursing and really bullying tactics are getting very old by this point.

His constant fighter bashing is something that has always pissed me off as it makes no damn sense. Calling Fedor overrated is not getting him in the UFC any faster. Calling Tito a friggin Moron is not smoothing anything over to get him to re-sign any quicker. Recently when he threw Sylvia under a bus after he lost to Fedor that was waaay over the line for me. Saying how he "Was stinking the joint up for years and thank god Fedor got rid of him" I'm no Tim fan but this is a guy that had a heck of a career in the UFC. Heavyweight champ 2 times over. Why does Dana have to trash him like that to make him look bad?? He does it to make his company appear better. Typical bully. "That guy lost because he sucks that is why we got rid of his ass" "Fedor is a fraud until he gets his ass in our company" I just can't stand him always running his mouth. I know part of his deal is he is a promoter but at this point with all the talent the UFC has, the way he runs his mouth is hardly necesarry anymore. We don't need Dana White cursing up a storm and beating his chest to sell Penn Vs GSP 2. And can the man go 2 sentances without saying "FUCK", i mean is that possible?? That video i posted of Dana was both funny and 100% accurate.

[polandprzem]

http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/124441_huntpunkd_183.gif

[Evan]

His constant fighter bashing is something that has always pissed me off as it makes no damn sense. Calling Fedor overrated is not getting him in the UFC any faster. Calling Tito a friggin Moron is not smoothing anything over to get him to re-sign any quicker. Recently when he threw Sylvia under a bus after he lost to Fedor that was waaay over the line for me. Saying how he "Was stinking the joint up for years and thank god Fedor got rid of him" I'm no Tim fan but this is a guy that had a heck of a career in the UFC. Heavyweight champ 2 times over. Why does Dana have to trash him like that to make him look bad?? He does it to make his company appear better. Typical bully. "That guy lost because he sucks that is why we got rid of his ass" "Fedor is a fraud until he gets his ass in our company" I just can't stand him always running his mouth. I know part of his deal is he is a promoter but at this point with all the talent the UFC has, the way he runs his mouth is hardly necesarry anymore. We don't need Dana White cursing up a storm and beating his chest to sell Penn Vs GSP 2. And can the man go 2 sentances without saying "FUCK", i mean is that possible?? That video i posted of Dana was both funny and 100% accurate.

You have to just roll your eyes and ignore that. That stuff used to bother me until I read Chuck's auto biography and he explained that "part of Dana's job is to be a carnival barker."

The UFC and Dana know exactly what they are doing…the day such a brash attitude doesn't work anymore with the public he will stop. He has already turned it down a lot.

However…he does have a fierce 'your either with us or against us' attitude and considering he is neck deep in a industry full of cheaters, ego's and thieves it’s the only way to survive. It works. There is no way he could deal with agents, fighters and competitors unless he acted like a 800lb silver back gorilla.

Unapologetically I really like and admire the guy but when he starts his trash talking I pay zero attention to it. Literally. My eyes will just shoot to the end of the quote. I guarantee not even Dana takes it seriously.

[Evan]

Very detailed write up on the business practices of the Fertitas

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/iq_24091202.txt

I had no clue they were that powerful.

[polandprzem]

There is no way he could deal with agents, fighters and competitors unless he acted like a 800lb silver back gorilla.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5485/bulletproofkongma6.jpg

[Evan]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5485/bulletproofkongma6.jpg

Hah….must have been an awesome fight!:lol

[desflood]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

Anderson Silva confirmes he will retire after his contract with the UFC is finished, probably around June 2009.

:(

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

Anderson Silva confirmes he will retire after his contract with the UFC is finished, probably around June 2009.

:(

WOW, if his heart is not really into fighting like it was, Cote may have a shot here. Not impossible, Serra hit the lotto with GSP once upon a time. If he is serious about retiring, i would expect the UFC tries to push for GSP and Silva to fight soon. Maybe even after the Penn fight.

[BlackSwordsMan]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

Anderson Silva confirmes he will retire after his contract with the UFC is finished, probably around June 2009.

:(

:wow

[Evan]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

Anderson Silva confirmes he will retire after his contract with the UFC is finished, probably around June 2009.

:(

He'll be back…I bet he's gone for 1-2 years and comes back at LHW.


er.......I hope he will anyway....the over positive fan in me talking....

[dbreiden83080]

He'll be back…I bet he's gone for 1-2 years and comes back at LHW.


er.......I hope he will anyway....the over positive fan in me talking....

Well if he wins all 6 of his fights left, he'd be undefeated in the UFC, so he may just want to go out on top.

[Evan]

Hopefully he retires and gets bored after half a year.

[dbreiden83080]

If he wants to go after his deal, good for him. His legacy will be that he was maybe the best pd for pd fighter ever. Why tarnish it by fighting past your prime and taking losses like Chuck is now, that would never happen in your prime?

[Evan]

It will be interesting if Rogan says something to him post fight

[BlackSwordsMan]

Speaking of Rogan, Goldberg is one dumb shit. Hasn't he been around since UFC 1 and he still acts like he doesn't know what MMA is.

[BlackSwordsMan]

I laughed when a Japanese fighter I forgot his name was fighting and his corner was shouting instructions to him. Goldberg was like ''well they seem to be talking to him in Philippian'' Then Rogan said '' He's japanese you should know this your wife is japanese''

[Evan]

Yeah I remember that...too funny. I don't like Goldberg much either and I think he is easily replaceable.

Love Rogan though....

[dbreiden83080]

Speaking of Rogan, Goldberg is one dumb shit. Hasn't he been around since UFC 1 and he still acts like he doesn't know what MMA is.

I love Kenny Florian. When he retires they should get him in the booth immediately, he was great at UFC 83 and he does that weekly show as well. Maybe they can make Kenny do the play by play and keep Rogan as the color or just have him replace Rogan and find a new play by play.

[dbreiden83080]

Yeah I remember that...too funny. I don't like Goldberg much either and I think he is easily replaceable.

Love Rogan though....

Rogan knows his shit but he is tiresome with his catchphrases and his voice annoys me

[BlackSwordsMan]

Rogan knows his shit but he is tiresome with his catchphrases and his voice annoys me

HE HAS THE RAPE CHOKE ON HIM!!!
Buy yeah kflo and randy coutre were good. Randy pretty much ignored goldberg when he talked which was funny

[BlackSwordsMan]

Bas Rutten + Rogan would be badass

[dbreiden83080]

HE HAS THE RAPE CHOKE ON HIM!!!
Buy yeah kflo and randy coutre were good. Randy pretty much ignored goldberg when he talked which was funny

get Kflo to do the play by play and Randy the color. That is a great team. BTW is Randy coming back to any of that or is he just fighting for the UFC right now?

[Evan]

Bas Rutten + Rogan would be badass

Bas is so much better now than he was with PRIDE. I would love to see that. Anyone but that tiresome Mauro Ranallo

[dbreiden83080]

HE HAS THE RAPE CHOKE ON HIM!!!
Buy yeah kflo and randy coutre were good. Randy pretty much ignored goldberg when he talked which was funny

"That was incredible, unbeliveable, just incredible, unbelieveableeeeeee"

[Evan]

get Kflo to do the play by play and Randy the color. That is a great team. BTW is Randy coming back to any of that or is he just fighting for the UFC right now?

Who knows and I cannot believe nobody asked him that during the press conference!!!!! I was almost as excited about that as I was about him fighting. When Randy projects his voice he is great behind the mic.

[dbreiden83080]

BTW if i have to hear GoldBerg say

"Maybe he has a secret"

One more damn time, i am going break my remote control.

[dbreiden83080]

Who knows and I cannot believe nobody asked him that during the press conference!!!!! I was almost as excited about that as I was about him fighting. When Randy projects his voice he is great behind the mic.

He might just be fighting for them right now. His relationship with the UFC still might not be that good. He may just fight his fights and not be around the company much after he is gone.

[Evan]

"That was incredible, unbeliveable, just incredible, unbelieveableeeeeee"

Hey I gree with you but honestly I can't think of anyone better

[dbreiden83080]

Hey I gree with you but honestly I can't think of anyone better

KFLO could do it better but he is still active so not yet

[Evan]

KFLO could do it better but he is still active so not yet

I'm not sure he has done it enough times to judge if he's fit for a full time gig. I would throw Mir in before Kenny btw.

[dbreiden83080]

Hey do you guys believe that Pavlick and Hopkins is on PPV for 50 bucks this weekend??

Who the hell would pay for that, given how old Bernard is?? Why is that not on HBO? Expect record low PPV buys on that one.

[Evan]

Hey do you guys believe that Pavlick and Hopkins is on PPV for 50 bucks this weekend??

Who the hell would pay for that, given how old Bernard is?? Why is that not on HBO? Expect record low PPV buys on that one.

I had no clue...$50?!

[dbreiden83080]

I'm not sure he has done it enough times to judge if he's fit for a full time gig. I would throw Mir in before Kenny btw.

He does a great job on the weekly show and i loved him at UFC 83. He has the chops to handle it for sure. But mainly i want Goldberg the hell out of there. I hope the UFC feels the same.

[dbreiden83080]

I had no clue...$50?!

Yeah, i saw the pre-fight show last night on HBO and when they advertised it at the end for HBO PPV my jaw dropped. 50 Bucks in my area. Hopkins and Calzaghe was on HBO and Hopkins lost that fight. So why the hell is this on PPV? Nobody is going to buy it, Bernard is like 6 years past his prime.

[desflood]

I'm not sure he has done it enough times to judge if he's fit for a full time gig. I would throw Mir in before Kenny btw.
Mir is excellent on the mic. I'd like to see him pair with Rampage (just for laughs) someday.

[dallaskd]

BTW if i have to hear GoldBerg say

"Maybe he has a secret"

One more damn time, i am going break my remote control.

What annoys me is...


Rogan: He's Hurt!!!!

Goldy: This could be it!!!!

Rogan: (starts talking about the guys JJ belt)

Goldy: (fighters name) is in big time trouble!!!

Rogan: (ref's name) is very close to stopping this

Goldy: It's all over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fighters name) wins by knock out!!!!!!!!!!!

same dialogue every fucking fight.


And ive counted almost probably 15 times...everytime someone is in a gulliotine, Rogan always says "its really hard to finish a guillotine when hes in half guard."

....and the guy isn't even in half guard.

[djohn14]

This from 411mania/MMA

During a recent interview with Tatame.com, Cris "Cyborg" Santos discussed facing Gina Carano as soon as February 2009 for the EliteXC Women's Championship:

"I think it'll be in February, and it'll be cool. Everybody wanna see this fight, we both fight on the last event and won, and it'll be great. I'll keep my Muay Thai like I did in my last fights. I'll stand with her, and I think she likes it too, so why not? It'll be a huge fight and someone is going down. [EliteXC] didn't say if it's going to be for the belt, but I think it'll be".

[polandprzem]

Yea what I don't like in UFC commentary (in general as well) is when they have they "phrases" and repeating them all over again.
I know that is good to have something to be famous from, but that kills the flow and emotions.
Goldberg is really under any critics. "It is AALLL OOOVERR !!!
Good that sometimes he didn't catch up what's going on, so we could acually see (not hear) that is over.

[angelbelow]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5485/bulletproofkongma6.jpg

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[desflood]

I hate the phrase "war of attrition". It just irks me.

[cornbread]

Hey do you guys believe that Pavlick and Hopkins is on PPV for 50 bucks this weekend??

I'd pay up to watch Pavlik but Hopkins' dirty style can ruin any fight. I hope Pavlik retires him.

[Evan]

vera.......

wants........

a.........

raise.........


http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3494


Vera brings the lolz

[LEONARD]

Idiot...

[dbreiden83080]

"33% more than Wanderlei Silva, one of the biggest MMA stars in the world"

There is no way in hell he is making more than Silva. I don't care what the numbers the UFC release say. And Vera should get a pay-cut if you ask me.

[Evan]

Fedor "The Can Crusher" gets another layup to add to his long list of cans.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13035/affliction-and-m-1-global-confirm-additional-details-for-fighting-fedor.mma

[BlackSwordsMan]

Fedor is fucking strange

[Evan]

Fights like these make me waver on my recent belief that he is willing to fight cans because he doesn't really have a good idea about their background. I mean…its great that he is fighting Arlovski and Tim but that’s now balanced out by Choi and some extremely obscure nobody who isn't even good enough to be on TUF.

This eliminates any excuse that he doesn't know their cans.

[dbreiden83080]

Fedor "The Can Crusher" gets another layup to add to his long list of cans.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13035/affliction-and-m-1-global-confirm-additional-details-for-fighting-fedor.mma

Well i don't like that new deal but he just whipped Sylvia and is supposed to fight Andrei Arlovski in Jan, both are top flight heavyweights. So i would not say he is just fighting cans. And the Champ in the UFC NOG, he has beat not once but twice.

[Evan]

Well i don't like that new deal but he just whipped Sylvia and is supposed to fight Andrei Arlovski in Jan, both are top flight heavyweights. So i would not say he is just fighting cans. And the Champ in the UFC NOG, he has beat not once but twice.

Nope…didn't say he was just fighting cans but it cancels out the good fights. Seriously…Choi and now this? Meh….thats weak.

Fedor Cancrushalinko

[dbreiden83080]

Nope…didn't say he was just fighting cans but it cancels out the good fights. Seriously…Choi and now this? Meh….thats weak.

Fedor Cancrushalinko

Yeah but he is fighting Andrei soon, he is a tremendous fighter. So he'll fight a can after that fight. To me it doesn't matter. He owns the current champ in the UFC and would smash any other Heavy in the UFC as well. Randy should be lucky they never fight. He has no chance whatsoever.

[Evan]

Yeah but he is fighting Andrei soon, he is a tremendous fighter. So he'll fight a can after that fight. To it doesn't matter. He owns the current champ in the UFC and would smash any other Heavy in the UFC as well. Randy should be lucky they never fight. He has no chance whatsoever.

Still doesn't wipe out the fact that he is fighting some bogus fights again like the old days. Fact is fact…Anderson should not be fighting cans and neither should Fedor. That’s not the way it is supposed to work. Not with them…not with GSP…not with BJ Penn…not with anyone. Fighting a badass does not give you a free pass to fight a can.

He will always get a free pass from me for NYE but add this in and its suddenly same can a can crushing pattern.

[dbreiden83080]

Still doesn't wipe out the fact that he is fighting some bogus fights again like the old days. Fact is fact…Anderson should not be fighting cans and neither should Fedor. That’s not the way it is supposed to work. Not with them…not with GSP…not with BJ Penn…not with anyone. Fighting a badass does not give you a free pass to fight a can.

He will always get a free pass from me for NYE but add this in and its suddenly same can a can crushing pattern.

Well what do you want him to do though?? He is not in the UFC and won't likely get there ever. Give me a list of guys not in the UFC you feel he needs to fight?? Is there another guy out there not in the UFC that is much better than Tim?? For me dessimating a top guy like Tim in 36 seconds gives him some cred that some were taking away from him. You even picked Tim to win that fight i believe. I get your point abot he is the best so he needs to fight the best. But that is a short list gven his contractual status right now.

[dbreiden83080]

Hey why am i in here defending Fedor

where the hell is Leonard??

Come on your boy needs you :hat

[Evan]

Well what do you want him to do though?? He is not in the UFC and won't likely get there ever. Give me a list of guys not in the UFC you feel he needs to fight?? Is there another guy out there not in the UFC that is much better than Tim?? For me dessimating a top guy like Tim in 36 seconds gives him some cred that some were taking away from him. You even picked Tim to win that fight i believe. I get your point abot he is the best so he needs to fight the best. But that is a short list gven his contractual status right now.

Would you be ok with Anderson headlining against Amir?

This is so boxing…

You keep ignoring what I said. Its fine and great he fought Tim and is fighting Arlovski…but this is a bogus fight. Exhibition. I know his options are limited but you don't fight a real fight every other fight right? If there is nobody for him to fight why is he signing a long term deal with Affliction?

[Evan]

Hey why am i in here defending Fedor

where the hell is Leonard??

Come on your boy needs you :hat

Leonard has a serious stomach problem and is on the pot. Seriosuly. He has sent me 6 text messages today complaining about his poopy problems.

[dbreiden83080]

Would you be ok with Anderson headlining against Amir?

He is fighting Cote who has never been a top flight fighter at any weight class. Not long ago he lost bad to Travis Lutter. And just 3 fights ago he Beat Kendall Grove, who is all but washed up completely in MMA. I know Silva has fought the best a lot in the UFC but Fedor does not have that option.

"This is so boxing…

You keep ignoring what I said. Its fine and great he fought Tim and is fighting Arlovski…but this is a bogus fight. Exhibition. I know his options are limited but you don't fight a real fight every other fight right?"

How am i ignoring what you said, when you say here that "you know his options are limited"?? That is what i said and you agree. Again who are the big time guys for him to fight consistantly when he is not in the UFC? As it stands 2 of his last 3 fights will be against legit guys. For not being in the UFC, that's not bad.


"If there is nobody for him to fight why is he signing a long term deal with Affliction"

Who knows, why he does things. You are the one that tells me he is aloof and out there when it comes to MMA. Fedor is a tough one to figure out.

[LEONARD]

Leonard has a serious stomach problem and is on the pot. Seriosuly. He has sent me 6 text messages today complaining about his poopy problems.

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/diarrhea.jpg

[Evan]

2 of his last 3 guys? Lindland? Who is a middle weight?

duck duck goose!

[Evan]

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/diarrhea.jpg

:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

2 of his last 3 guys? Lindland? Who is a middle weight?

duck duck goose!

I'm still not hearing who you expect him to fight given his current situation. You don't like that he is fighting some cans but other than Tim, who he just killed and Andrei who he'll likely beat what much else can he do consistantly to find competiton?

[dbreiden83080]

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/diarrhea.jpg

LOL,

Put down the toilet paper and get into this thing :hat

[Evan]

I'm still not hearing who you expect him to fight given his current situation. You don't like that he is fighting some cans but other than Tim, who he just killed and Andrei who he'll likely beat what much else can he do consistantly to find competiton?

If there is nobody out there...then why did he sign a long term deal? You don't sign a long term deal then go "oh damn...there isn't anyone to fight"

I no long buy into my old theory that he is fairly oblivious to competition because he knows he is fighting an amateur in June.

But to answer your question.. Alistair or Monson would suit me just fine right now.

[dbreiden83080]

If there is nobody out there...then why did he sign a long term deal? You don't sign a long term deal then go "oh damn...there isn't anyone to fight"

I no long buy into my old theory that he is fairly oblivious to competition because he knows he is fighting an amateur in June.

But to answer your question.. Alistair or Monson would suit me just fine right now.

Well you have questioned his management in the past. Maybe he just does whatever they tell him to do. And Monson is a big step down from Tim and Andrei.

[Evan]

And Monson is a big step down from Tim and Andrei.

He is...but...he is still top 20 and far from

1. Choi
2. Lindland who is a MW
3. Some spare amateur

Tim and Arlovski is awesome...but there is zero reason for him to be fighting a can except on NYE.

Its just weird and its just boxingesque.

[dbreiden83080]

He is...but...he is still top 20 and far from

1. Choi
2. Lindland who is a MW
3. Some spare amateur

Tim and Arlovski is awesome...but there is zero reason for him to be fighting a can except on NYE.

Its just weird and its just boxingesque.


If it's all tied to the show, maybe there is more money in it for him to accept the fight. You know like they want to tie this in with a network and really hype it up. I don't like that he is doing this but what can you do?? Sadly the best Heavy of all time is never going to fight in the UFC.

[Evan]

If it's all tied to the show, maybe there is more money in it for him to accept the fight. You know like they want to tie this in with a network and really hype it up. I don't like that he is doing this but what can you do?? Sadly the best Heavy of all time is never going to fight in the UFC.

My guess this is a very ill conceived attempt to "cash in on American capitalist tv and make Fedya known"

Just like TUF...but this will fail miserably.

I don't care if he ever fights in the UFC anymore...I have given up...dude should still be fighting real fights. Thats all I want and I am willing to ignore NYE as long as the rest are real.

$100 says Fedor will be one of the "coaches" that gets to pick some of the fighters. Real legit, eh?

[Evan]

You know what...f*ck it....if people are going to let Fedor's people force bogus fights into a contract then companies like affliction deserve to get scorched on PPV buys.

[dbreiden83080]

Maybe they will go under soon and Fedor will be in the UFC. I want that to happen if for nothing else than, i'm sick of talking about him not being there. We all know he is the best, yet he is not in the best company.

[Evan]

We all know he is the best, yet he is not in the best company.

Agreed

It should be noted my rants have nothing to do with my belief in his talents. He's the real deal who fights cans all too often. Simple as that.

[polandprzem]

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3646789&categoryId=2881270&n8pe6c=2



gina is great

[Evan]

I think I have mentioned a dozen times that there is no news from adrenaline...and here it is finally.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13052/mmajunkie-com-fight-biz-adrenaline-mma-latest-promotion-struggling-to-compete.mma

seems like they are folding soon. Monte Cox may be a great agent but business man he is not.

[dbreiden83080]

I think I have mentioned a dozen times that there is no news from adrenaline...and here it is finally.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13052/mmajunkie-com-fight-biz-adrenaline-mma-latest-promotion-struggling-to-compete.mma

seems like they are folding soon. Monte Cox may be a great agent but business man he is not.

The juggernaut that is the UFC just keeps Chugging along.

[Evan]

I love the UFC but regional shows are great…love MFC (Canada) and Strikeforce (West Coast) so I was really hoping to have a mid west one………. Regional shows are far better than EXC and addrenaline.

[Evan]

I'm having an email discussion with someone and I thought I would throw this out there for y'all to agree with or tear apart.

In my opinion...based on zero facts...

There is a great hoax that has been played on us MMA fans…while the fights were legit the organization is not. Affliction is 1 big commercial and has zero intentions of making money off their fights. They just want to get there name out there on MMA sites as much as possible to sell their clothes. Think of how often they are talked about and think about how much they would have cost them in true commercial ads. Yeah Affliction MMA has probably gone in the red 7 million (just guessing) but they have probably gotten back 40 million in free ads and sales (another guess.)

Thoughts?

[LEONARD]

g'aggre

[desflood]

Bless you.

[Evan]

speaking of Miller...(des's sig) he retired this weekend.

[ATRAIN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3646789&categoryId=2881270&n8pe6c=2



gina is great

Yes..........Yes she is!! Oh for you Xbox 360 fans, I forgot who told me about it but I downloaded her theme for Red Alert. So Gina is on my xbox all day everyday!! :)

[Evan]

des..atrain....

your opinion on my theory?

[ATRAIN]

des..atrain....

your opinion on my theory?

you talking about this?


I'm having an email discussion with someone and I thought I would throw this out there for y'all to agree with or tear apart.

In my opinion...based on zero facts...

There is a great hoax that has been played on us MMA fans…while the fights were legit the organization is not. Affliction is 1 big commercial and has zero intentions of making money off their fights. They just want to get there name out there on MMA sites as much as possible to sell their clothes. Think of how often they are talked about and think about how much they would have cost them in true commercial ads. Yeah Affliction MMA has probably gone in the red 7 million (just guessing) but they have probably gotten back 40 million in free ads and sales (another guess.)

Thoughts?

[Evan]

yessir! ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[dbreiden83080]

des..atrain....

your opinion on my theory?

Nobody wants my take on this :depressed

Seriously i think you are dead on. They got tons of fighters wearing their product, they are a huge clothing line and getting in the fight game has helped push the brand. Probably felt, "if we become successful in the fight game great, if not oh well we sold a shitload of T-Shirts while it lasted"

[desflood]

It's one of those things that never enters your mind, but when you hear it, it makes perfect sense. The logic fails... and yet somehow, it doesn't...

What's wrong with you? This is too much thinking before noon. I haven't even finished my pot of coffee yet.

[Evan]

Nobody wants my take on this :depressed

Seriously i think you are dead on. They got tons of fighters wearing their product, they are a huge clothing line and getting in the fight game has helped push the brand. Probably felt, "if we become successful in the fight game great, if not oh well we sold a shitload of T-Shirts while it lasted"

hah...well they had commented ont he thread and missed my post.

Thanks for the feed back.

I just don't think they will work nationwide. They really should have toned down their designs and not be so trend specific.

[Evan]

It's one of those things that never enters your mind, but when you hear it, it makes perfect sense. The logic fails... and yet somehow, it doesn't....

Thanks for the fedback.


What's wrong with you? This is too much thinking before noon. I haven't even finished my pot of coffee yet.

This is how I pass the time at work and stay sane.

[dbreiden83080]

This is how I pass the time at work and stay sane.



LOL, you complain a lot about work, what do you do?

[Evan]

LOL, you complain a lot about work, what do you do?

Insurance underwriting.

Its a very good job...I like it here and I am very fortunate to be where I am...but my heart never races with excitement during the day. Know what I mean?

[ATRAIN]

LOL well I have thought about this before when i first heard about affliction. I think what happened with them is that the sales just werent going anymore. Tapout and Warrior started picking up more fighters and their clothing and were WAYYY cheaper than Affliction. There was prob something that we dont know about with UFC and affliction that we dont know about. Affliction prob wanted the other clothing banned and UFC prob said no, so affliction went off to do thier own thing. It was prob a FU to UFC and a way to advertise primarily. Thing is Affliction clothing is pretty much out of style now.

[dbreiden83080]

Insurance underwriting.

Its a very good job...I like it here and I am very fortunate to be where I am...but my heart never races with excitement during the day. Know what I mean?

Know what you mean, i'm in Banking right now but am sick of it, especially with the economy in the toilet. I'm going back to school by summer at the latest to be a Phys Ed Teacher.

[ATRAIN]

Thanks for the fedback.



This is how I pass the time at work and stay sane.

Same here, while at work I have to somehow communicate with the outside world since my coworkers annoy me.

[Evan]

. Thing is Affliction clothing is pretty much out of style now.

No doubt...thats why I don't understand why they didn't re-invent their style before they did this.


Know what you mean, i'm in Banking right now but am sick of it, especially with the economy in the toilet. I'm going back to school by summer at the latest to be a Phys Ed Teacher.

Good for you man. :toast

Any idea what age group? I thought about doing that once…junior high level football and sports.

[Evan]

Same here, while at work I have to somehow communicate with the outside world since my coworkers annoy me.

I intentionally don't get too close to people I work with. I have done it before and seen it enough time to realize its not a good idea. The best working relationships have a personal line you do not cross. It doesn't work to have a deep hearted conversation in the morning about a family member and then have to get onto them about not doing ________ that affects your job.

[dbreiden83080]

Good for you man. :toast

Any idea what age group? I thought about doing that once…junior high level football and sports.

Doesn't matter too much, ideally Junior High or even Elementary level. I am a certified Tennis instructor and taught at health clubs for years, also coached some basketball. Being a teacher and coach will bring me far more joy day to day than the nonsense i deal with now. Plus i just turned 28, no wife and kids, so if i'm going to make a major change, now is a good time to do it.

[ATRAIN]

I intentionally don't get too close to people I work with. I have done it before and seen it enough time to realize its not a good idea. The best working relationships have a personal line you do not cross. It doesn't work have a deep hearted conversation in the morning about a family member and then have to get onto them about not doing ________ that affects your job.

Thing is im not a morning person but yet I get here at 7 am so that means im up at 5:30 so im pretty much in a bad mood till like 10 hahah. Talking in person than over the internet are 2 different things. Plus yeah id rather talk about sports or something, not to small talk that they bring up. Thats why my ipod never leaves my side (or sirius radio).

[Evan]

ugh....what I would give for Sirius to work inside my building............

I listen to Left of Center almost exclusively.

[ATRAIN]

ugh....what I would give for Sirius to work inside my building............

I listen to Left of Center almost exclusively.

it does work.......streaming online

[Evan]

it does work.......streaming online

I work for a huge gigantic company and most stuff like that is blocked at big companies otherwise if everyone was allowed to use such big resource hogs the network would crash.

[ATRAIN]

I work for a huge gigantic company and most stuff like that is blocked at big companies otherwise if everyone was allowed to use such big resource hogs the network would crash.

Yeah it was blocked here at work but then they started to allow it :).

[dbreiden83080]

Hey guys we had another troll in here today start a thread, LOL

Ahh this place truly has arrived :toast

[ATRAIN]

Hey guys we had another troll in here today start a thread, LOL

Ahh this place truly has arrived :toast

What thread? I didnt see it?

[dbreiden83080]

What thread? I didnt see it?

Some ASSHOLE started a thread that was promoting some business that was for sale. Leonard popped in to tell him to "DIE" I said "get lost A-Hole", I think Evan deleted the thread. Funny stuff.

[ATRAIN]

Some ASSHOLE started a thread that was promoting some business that was for sale. Leonard popped in to tell him to "DIE" I said "get lost A-Hole", I think Evan deleted the thread. Funny stuff.

Dammit how did I miss that?? Id like to appoint myself as "official MMA forum bouncer"

[Evan]

It was bot spam. People who create those bots don't even have to look at the forum...they run themsevles.

[dbreiden83080]

It was bot spam. People who create those bots don't even have to look at the forum...they run themsevles.

Ahh is that what it was

It's good we got you and Dallas as Mods so we can bounce that stuff out of here quickly. If this was just another forum with one mod overseeing everything may take days for that crap to get deleted.

Although i would like to see A-Train get his crack at all trolls. Like we can't delete it until he takes his shot at them and tells them to go F*** themselves, lol

[Evan]

I run a pretty big forum as a part time gig and the problem is the longer you let bot spam linger the longer the program is collecting information on the forum and the more it gets spammed. Its weird how it works.

Trust me…the people who create those programs are not reading the replies on the threads.

[ATRAIN]

I run a pretty big forum as a part time gig and the problem is the longer you let bot spam linger the longer the program is collecting information on the forum and the more it gets spammed. Its weird how it works.

Trust me…the people who create those programs are not reading the replies on the threads.

I think he is talking about me cracking some skulls on the true trolls, not the bots.

[Evan]

Oh…well if a real troll comes around I would never delete it. IMO that’s stepping on Kori's toes and for her to deal with.

[dbreiden83080]

Oh…well if a real troll comes around I would never delete it. IMO that’s stepping on Kori's toes and for her to deal with.

You can delete it if the thread is something like "This place sucks ass" Didn't she say just make it a soft delete or something so she can see what it was??


I think he is talking about me cracking some skulls on the true trolls, not the bots.

Yeah, like we can put a disclaimer on the forum banner that says

"Welcome to MMA Fight Club, if you are a troll about to start a thread to cause trouble, poster A-Train will be along shortly to Bitch Slap You" :hat

[Evan]

You can delete it if the thread is something like "This place sucks ass" Didn't she say just make it a soft delete or something so she can see what it was??

I think that would make people more aggressive. Trolls are like 6 year old children…when they start crying you just have to let them cry it out to really shut up.

[desflood]

vera.......

wants........

a.........

raise.........


http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3494


Vera brings the lolz
Finally got the chance to read this.

Vera's turned himself into the Joke of the Week.

[desflood]

Before packing up and returning to the U.S. after Saturday's "UFC 89: Bispng vs. Leben," the UFC held an open casting call for "The Ultimate Fighter 9: U.S. vs. U.K." in London.

Just two days after Brit and "The Ulitmate Fighter 3" winner Michael Bisping was victorious in front of his countrymen, MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has learned over 200 hopeful fighters showed up to the Earls Court Exhibition Centre for their chance at a UFC contract.

In contrast, when the UFC held open tryouts for the third season of "The Ultimate Fighters" in 2006, less than 30 fighters showed up for the session.

One of the more notable participants in the afternoon's session was "The Ultimate Fighter 3" cast member Ross Pointon. The Cage Rage veteran appeared twice in the UFC following his stint on the show, losing both contests.

Vying for an unprecedented second stint on the program, Pointon showed up with a haircut that sported the letters "UFC" etched into the back of his head.

Filming for "The Ultimate Fighter 9: U.S. vs. U.K" will begin in Las Vegas in January, and the new season will air on Spike TV beginning in April. The season will feature 16 American and 16 British fighters competing for a UFC contract in the 185 pound and 170 pound divisions.

[dbreiden83080]

One of the more notable participants in the afternoon's session was "The Ultimate Fighter 3" cast member Ross Pointon. The Cage Rage veteran appeared twice in the UFC following his stint on the show, losing both contests.
Vying for an unprecedented second stint on the program, Pointon showed up with a haircut that sported the letters "UFC" etched into the back of his head.


:lmao

Oh you gotta love Ross. I said all along if they make Bisping a coach just have Ross be an assistant. Give him a chair and a 6 pack, while he spouts his various catch-phrases

"Bring the Pain"

"They call me the Gladiator"

"fuckin A Lets get it on MAN"

[Evan]

This will be a good season.

[desflood]

You know what'll happen here. Dana loves the guy, he'll get on the show - and he'll lose his qualifying fight. Probably by sub in the first round.

[ATRAIN]

:lmao

Oh you gotta love Ross. I said all along if they make Bisping a coach just have Ross be an assistant. Give him a chair and a 6 pack, while he spouts his various catch-phrases

"Bring the Pain"

"They call me the Gladiator"

"fuckin A Lets get it on MAN"


lol that was my favorite!!

Who do you guys think the US coach will be?

[Evan]

Hendo or Rich?

[ATRAIN]

They need to hire ross to commentate with they are in England. THAT WOULD RULE!!

[ATRAIN]

Hendo or Rich?

Rich already did it, I think Hendo.

[desflood]

The winner of Hendo/Franklin, probably. I think that's who they're planning on matching Bisping up with next?

[Evan]

Rich already did it, I think Hendo.

I don't think that matters really.

[ATRAIN]

The winner of Hendo/Franklin, probably. I think that's who they're planning on matching Bisping up with next?

Well Franklin or Hedo would fit.

[dbreiden83080]

They need to hire ross to commentate with they are in England. THAT WOULD RULE!!

LOL, he'll be so wasted i doubt we'll pick much up.

"Yeah man that Bisping is a fuckin warrior but i want another crack at it man. You know back home at me local pub they call me The Gladiator. I got a head hard as a fuckin rock and can fight all night hey, somebody hurry up with that Budweiser"

"5 dollars"

"Lets get it on MAN" :hat

[dbreiden83080]

The winner of Hendo/Franklin, probably. I think that's who they're planning on matching Bisping up with next?

Evan and i were just talking about this, i can't imagine why Rich would fight Bisping? He says he is committed to 205 now and wants to stay there. Bisping at 185 is a step back for Rich.

[Evan]

Evan and i were just talking about this, i can't imagine why Rich would fight Bisping? He says he is committed to 205 now and wants to stay there. Bisping at 185 is a step back for Rich.

Rich is commited to whatever the UFC asks him to do. He's a company man like most of these guys.

[ATRAIN]

LOL, he'll be so wasted i doubt we'll pick much up.

"Yeah man that Bisping is a fuckin warrior but i want another crack at it man. You know back home at me local pub they call me The Gladiator. I got a head hard as a fuckin rock and can fight all night hey, somebody hurry up with that Budweiser"

"5 dollars"

"Lets get it on MAN" :hat

LOL

[desflood]

Rich gets paid pretty well now to fight whoever they tell him to and make it look like a challenge.

[dbreiden83080]

Rich is commited to whatever the UFC asks him to do. He's a company man like most of these guys.

I wouldn't go that far. But if he does great, Rich would smash Bisping

[dbreiden83080]

And the main reason i doubted and still do Rich fighting Bisping is from his own words. After he fought Hammill he said in the press conference that he "Wanted to dedicate himself to putting on more muscle, now that he is at 205" That "He needed to get bigger and stronger if he wanted to compete there" Doesn't sound to me like he'd be thrilled if the UFC knocked on his door and said "We need you to fight Bisping back at 185" All i'm saying.

[dbreiden83080]

You know what'll happen here. Dana loves the guy, he'll get on the show - and he'll lose his qualifying fight. Probably by sub in the first round.

Maybe, i'd love to see it. Then again Dana may just say "You had your shot, lets give the tryout spot to a kid with more potential"

I mean at one point, this guy lost 9 out of 10 fights :hat

[Evan]

I think it would be interesting if he is serious.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't think it matters how serious Ross is.

[LEONARD]

A day with Nate Diaz...
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/words/gdetail.php?id=114

[LEONARD]

Phil Baroni’s wedding
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/view_album.php?id=1297

[Evan]

I don't think it matters how serious Ross is.

Sure it does.

If he really wants to take MMA seriously a redemption fighter going into tuf is interesting.

If he is just there to be a dumbass bar room brawler I couldn't care less and its pointless to have him on the show.

[dbreiden83080]

Sure it does.

If he really wants to take MMA seriously a redemption fighter going into tuf is interesting.

If he is just there to be a dumbass bar room brawler I couldn't care less and its pointless to have him on the show.

I agree but Ross doesn't have the talent to do anything on the show. It would be interesting if he was serious and could win some fights. I don't think he can though.

[Evan]

I agree but Ross doesn't have the talent to do anything on the show. It would be interesting if he was serious and could win some fights. I don't think he can though.

Well shall find out in April!

[dbreiden83080]

Well shall find out in April!

You think Dana lets him come to the tryouts

[Evan]

You think Dana lets him come to the tryouts

Sure why not. This is the first time tryouts have gotten this much chatter and if he is indeed serious...which IMO he will be...its a very compelling story.

Besides...Dana may not have a choice.

Dana: I don't want this guy on the show
SpikeTV: We do
Dana: No
SpikeTV: Hey Dana...we just paid you guys 100 million dollars for TUF and a few fights so how about you shove this water bottle up your ass?
Dana: K he can be on

[dbreiden83080]

Dana: I don't want this guy on the show
SpikeTV: We do
Dana: No
SpikeTV: Hey Dana...we just paid you guys 100 million dollars for TUF and a few fights so how about you shove this water bottle up your ass?
Dana: K he can be on

LOL :lmao

[Evan]

More on Miller retiring with gold in the comment section

http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/10/20/jason-mayhem-miller-retires-%e2%80%94-temporarily-at-least/

[desflood]

Sure why not. This is the first time tryouts have gotten this much chatter and if he is indeed serious...which IMO he will be...its a very compelling story.

Besides...Dana may not have a choice.

Dana: I don't want this guy on the show
SpikeTV: We do
Dana: No
SpikeTV: Hey Dana...we just paid you guys 100 million dollars for TUF and a few fights so how about you shove this water bottle up your ass?
Dana: K he can be on
I've been looking for a new sig.

[Evan]

hah

[djohn14]

UFC welterweight Luke Cummo was arrested in New York on a Driving While Intoxicated charge. He was arrested last week (October 13-20) in Nassau County as part of a DWI initiative to crack down on drunk drivers. Cummo will be posting a statement soon on his website, lukecummo.com, to explain the charge.

Credit: MMAJunkie.com

[Evan]

UFC welterweight Luke Cummo was arrested in New York on a Driving While Intoxicated charge. He was arrested last week (October 13-20) in Nassau County as part of a DWI initiative to crack down on drunk drivers. Cummo will be posting a statement soon on his website, lukecummo.com, to explain the charge.

Credit: MMAJunkie.com

Yeah he ate chicken and freaked out while having a contact high from marijuana.

NO BS...

Thats what he posted on his forum before he deleted it. Mr "Clean Food Only" is full of it.

[dallaskd]

anyone catch Lesnar on e60?

[dbreiden83080]

anyone catch Lesnar on e60?

No, is it online anywhere??

Was he just pumping the Randy fight?

[Evan]

bloody elbow will have it in a day or so....

Gawd I can't stand ESPN......

[dbreiden83080]

Ahh

Thanks Evan

[dbreiden83080]

Hey with Elite-XC done, do you guys think Tito will sign a new UFC deal soon or look to try Affliction out? His options for a good pay-day are so limited. And there is that Back Surgery he is having. Will he have to wait to see how that turns out??

[Evan]

If Dana can sell him

He's back.....

Tito and Dana's ego can be smoothed by Lorenzo...

Dana "Well this was Lorenzo's deal not mine"
Tito "I dealt with Lorenzo not Dana"

[Evan]

Dana and work ethics..

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/boxing/1234317,ufc-white-102208.article

very good read

[desflood]

You think Dana lets him come to the tryouts
Maybe it doesn't matter...

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/22/spike-and-the-ufc-change-plans-for-ninth-season-of-the-ultimate-fighter/

Ross fights at MW now. If they really are eliminating it, he's SOL.

[Evan]

UFC Standardizing Advertising Banners

http://mmapayout.com/2008/10/ufc-standardizing-advertising-banners/

about time.

[polandprzem]

http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/216ad27ebac7_838.gif




http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/andrson_572.jpg

[BlackSwordsMan]

Anyone see the video of dana white benching 315? He did that shit easily. I was impressed

[polandprzem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_ascb0LBc

[polandprzem]

Frickin impressive

142.88 kg

So he can press 150 I assume.

[polandprzem]

damn dana is good at answering the questions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9Fo04WKO4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOJKCEON4bA&NR=1

[Evan]

Fedor's manager criticizes UFC match making which is a lot like Lindland criticizing fighters for being boring. This guy is clueless and I guarantee he is robbing Fedor blind.

http://www.m1mixfight.com/news/2008/10/24/Vadim-on-Danas-statements/

[Evan]

damn dana is good at answering the questions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9Fo04WKO4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOJKCEON4bA&NR=1

He was born to run a MMA organization.

I know he isn't popular but I love the guy.

Machida, Dana, Bisping and Junie...........WTF is wrong with me?

[dbreiden83080]

He was born to run a MMA organization.

I know he isn't popular but I love the guy.

Machida, Dana, Bisping and Junie...........WTF is wrong with me?

Ahh don't feel bad, for reasons that even i don't know anymore i still want Tito back in the UFC. :king

[dbreiden83080]

Fedor's manager criticizes UFC match making which is a lot like Lindland criticizing fighters for being boring. This guy is clueless and I guarantee he is robbing Fedor blind.

http://www.m1mixfight.com/news/2008/10/24/Vadim-on-Danas-statements/

Man makes a good point here

"According to White there are guys better than Tim Sylvia. Well, who are they? Looking at the world rankings one can conclude it is Fedor himself, Couture whose situation I discussed above, then it’s Nogueira, Josh Barnett and Andrei Arlovski. To face off with Josh or Andrei there is no need for Fedor to come to UFC. He’ll fight them at Affliction"

This is why White needs to Zip it when it comes to the Fedor bashing. He will beat Andrei in Jan probably just as bad as he did Tim.

[djohn14]

Man makes a good point here

"According to White there are guys better than Tim Sylvia. Well, who are they? Looking at the world rankings one can conclude it is Fedor himself, Couture whose situation I discussed above, then it’s Nogueira, Josh Barnett and Andrei Arlovski. To face off with Josh or Andrei there is no need for Fedor to come to UFC. He’ll fight them at Affliction"

This is why White needs to Zip it when it comes to the Fedor bashing. He will beat Andrei in Jan probably just as bad as he did Tim.

And Cain Velasquez....dont forget Cain Velasquez. I have a man crush on that SOB!

[dbreiden83080]

And Cain Velasquez....dont forget Cain Velasquez. I have a man crush on that SOB!

I'm beginning to think you are that guys agent :lol

[Evan]

I am a huge UFC but I honestly could not care less if Fedor comes to the UFC.

Fights like Choi, Lindland and that amateur in June bother me.

Arlovski and Sylvia do not. There is enough interesting fights, as is, to keep Fedor fighting real fights outsode of the UFC for about a year and a half. Josh, Arlovski, Cro Cop (meh), Alistair Overeem , Kharitonov (meh.) Some really good fights but ones that do nothing and I mean nothing for PPV sales. Mere die hard appeasement but what do I care?

However...I am not sure there will be a forum to show those fights soon. Economy may kill off what the UFC hasn't been able to do yet.

There is a very real and very likely chance we will never see Fedor in the UFC and I don't care anymore. As long as we see those fights above without seeing BS cans in between who can complain?

[djohn14]

I'm beginning to think you are that guys agent :lol

Id do it for free haha

[Evan]

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/5899/weekly2_medium.jpg

[dbreiden83080]

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/5899/weekly2_medium.jpg

:lmao:lmao

[djohn14]

Robbie Lawler news

Former EliteXC Middleweight Champion Robbie Lawler recently released a statement on his website regarding his thoughts on EliteXC shutting down, as well as the rumors of him possibly returning to the UFC:

As everyone knows Elite XC is no longer around. I enjoyed my time working for them and I was treated really well. Thank you to everyone at Proelite for the opportunity to fight in front of millions of fans.
Last week I spent at the UFC with Matt Hughes. The atmosphere was awesome as usual. I spent time talking to Monte Cox about what my options are. I also had a brief conversation with the very busy prez of the UFC. All that said I think I will be just fine. I will blog when i sign with an organization. Until then I will keep my self in good shape.

The status of the EliteXC fighters' contracts is still up in the air.

Credit: MMAJunkie.com

[dbreiden83080]

Would the UFC not want him back? He's a good fighter they can promote fights with him.. Did he leave on bad terms at all??

[Evan]

Would the UFC not want him back? He's a good fighter they can promote fights with him.. Did he leave on bad terms at all??

I have seen him corner a few times so I don't think so. He's even been on TUF as a trainer.

[polandprzem]

http://sevenbreaths.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/fedor.jpg

[Evan]

http://sevenbreaths.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/fedor.jpg

Again Fedor fights a can….look how old that dude is.

*shakes head*

[polandprzem]

Again Fedor fights a can….look how old that dude is.

*shakes head*

He is old but what a power that guy have!

[Evan]

If anyone is interested...Randy's books is very very good. The best MMA bio I have read so far.

If you want to skip to MMA start at page 95. I'm soaking up a lot of MMA shitory here.

[polandprzem]

evan - something that surprised you in that book the most?

[Evan]

evan - something that surprised you in that book the most?


Give me a couple more days to finish and I'll answer this.

But here is this...every single MMA biography mentions 1 person…no fighters seem to like Tito and its obvious Tito ducks fights.

[dbreiden83080]

Give me a couple more days to finish and I'll answer this.

But here is this...every single MMA biography mentions 1 person…no fighters seem to like Tito and its obvious Tito ducks fights.

I don't think they should all hate Tito, he is one of the original super-stars of the sport that got paid pretty well for it. He did knock down some doors. Back when he fought Shamrock the first time everyone was getting paid chicken feed. And while he may have not been thrilled to fight certain guys, i think it is strong to say he ducks fights. He has fought the best of his era, has he not??

[Evan]

I don't think they should all hate Tito, he is one of the original super-stars of the sport that got paid pretty well for it. He did knock down some doors.

I dunno

The people that were there from the get go seem to think he caused more problems than good.

[dbreiden83080]

I dunno

The people that were there from the get go seem to think he caused more problems than good.

Sounds like a little bit of jealousy to me. He became a big star and he got paid. Who was getting paid and a big star in MMA before he came along? really nobody right..

[Evan]

Sounds like a little bit of jealousy to me. He became a big star and he got paid. Who was getting paid and a big star in MMA before he came along? really nobody right..

You should read some of these books. You would enjoy them.

Start with Matts or Chucks's if you want to give them the time.

These guys don't seem to hold grudges with anyone but Tito and its not about money.

[djohn14]

I got this from 411 mania...not much, but its good to know.

"Dana White has confirmed that he's interested in signing Robbie Lawler, Jake Shields, and Nick Diaz."

[dallaskd]

^awesome

Shields-Swick has always fascinated me since Mike dropped down. Make it happen. Jake vs Karo would be sweet too.

Lawler could make some noise at 185 but i don't see him being with the likes of Hendo and Rich. Lawler-Bisping would be nice.

Nick could do alot better 155, but with his brother there I can't see him going there. Good gatekeeper for both divisions. Can't beat BJ at either though.

[dbreiden83080]

New GSP interview he says he "Has a new deal with the UFC but strangely hasn't signed the Penn fight yet" Then he talks about the fight like it will happen for sure. weird...

Evan did you hear about a new deal for GSP, i know you were worried about that??


http://mmamania.com/2008/10/29/georges-st-pierre-talks-ufc-94-bout-against-bj-penn/

[Evan]

Interesting tidbits from Randy's book so far.

His entire left side of his body is wrecked from injuries, but not his right.
Matt Lindland screwed over a lot of people with busienss deals
Tito Ortiz wanted to join team quest but they denied him because he is such a bad influince on young fighters.
He says Dana White has iron clad will and insane ambition (has hasn't used this book to trash Dana, yet)
SpikeTV wouldn't air televised fights so TUF was the alternative.
Dana wanted head gear for TUF 1, Randy told Dana "head gear is for p*ssy's"

[Evan]

Evan did you hear about a new deal for GSP, i know you were worried about that??


http://mmamania.com/2008/10/29/georges-st-pierre-talks-ufc-94-bout-against-bj-penn/

grrrrrrrrrrr blocked at work.