Stoudemire calls Spurs 'dirty' (Bruce & Manu)

[Nashfan]

Howd that turn out for him that year?


Like it is going to turn out for the Spurs this year.

[mardigan]

Like it is going to turn out for the Spurs this year.
I thought we were talking about 05? Now you got to change it cause you aint got shit, get the fuck out of here joto :lol

[Nashfan]

You forget that was by design. The Spurs game plan was to let Amare get his points but stay home on the shooters. Remember that Marion and Richardson were M.I.A. in that series.


I knew that was by design. :rolleyes Just giving him smack back.

[Nashfan]

I am still in shock having Spurs fans accuse ANYONE of whining. :madrun
:lmao

[ducks]

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0502/nba_a_bell2_412.jpg http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070506/capt.fb6c034f08ed48cd97dc4a4093e7ebb4.spurs_suns_b asketball_pnu120.jpgPhoenix Suns' Raja Bell, right, fouls San Antonio Spurs' Manu Ginobili, of Argentina, as he goes up for a shot in the fourth quarter of a Western Conference semifinal NBA playoff basketball game Sunday, May 6, 2007, at U.S. Airways

[ducks]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070506/capt.25cf2be9b3b24c85b911b3255f2cca9b.spurs_suns_b asketball_pnu117.jpg Phoenix Suns' Raja Bell, left, collides with San Antonio Spurs' Manu Ginobili, of Argentina, during the third quarter of a NBA Western Conference semifinal round playoff game in Phoenix, Sunday, May 6, 2007. The Spurs won, 111-106. (AP Photo/Paul Connors)

[gameFACE]

I find that funny when someone calls a 6'5 210lb professional athlete a pussy over the internet. :ihit
Me too. Kind of like when a 7' guy whines about guys shorter than him through the media and not to their face.

This changes my opinion of Amare. I thought he was a tough guy but he might be Dirk soft.

[fijian_cholo]

bowen is hella dirty


and wat is matt barnes

[~Sweetmelody~]

I can't freaking believe this, the same shit every year!

:lol @ anyone that calls Manu dirty

[timvp]

I can't freaking believe this, the same shit every year!

:lol @ anyone that calls Manu dirty

Fans from other teams call Manu dirty all the time. Because he flops so much and he pulls on people.

--Kori

[~Sweetmelody~]

Fans from other teams call Manu dirty all the time. Because he flops so much and he pulls on people.

--Kori


I know, and everytime I laugh :)

[judaspriestess]

Spurs fans need to stop living in the past. Lakers fans use the same argument. Weak.

Its like me saying how are you guys enjoying the MLB season? oh wait you don't have a team. how bout the upcoming NFL season? oh wait you don't even have a team. NHL playoffs are in high gear, oh wait you don't even have a team. Stupid and pointless.

We OBVIOUSLY have NO RINGS and are trying to change that. Will we? I don't know but I hope so, so it shuts up people like you. All I know is you asked what our excuses were in 2005 and 2006 and I pointed out that you guys took us out in 2005 in the WCF and you guys didn't even make it there in 2006 and you come back with the "how many rings" thing again. WEAK.

At least the Spurs have a past to talk about. Spurs fans as well as Bulls fans, Laker fans, Detroit fans, Houston fans, Miami Fans and all the other previous champions have earned bragging rights. Thats why there are bumper stickers with the words NBA Champions insert year and team, Thats why banners get hoisted in the air, should those be taken down also because the franchise is living in the past? Thats so stupid. Your team has not earned it and neither have you. Stop being a whiny bitter bitch. Way to go :rolleyes

[bdictjames]

The first shot has been fired

[BigShotBob]

I wear their complaints as a badge of honor.

It seems like it wasn't all that long ago that we had to deal with that annoying label of a 'soft team.'

Now, we're practically the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's.

I can live with it. :fro

[ambchang]

Would it be funny if someone did it to Manu or Tony and knocked them out for the year?
They already did! The thing is, we don't have 4 threads talking about the same thing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

On the one hand this is great because it means that 1) the Spurs are in their heads, 2) that Phoenix doesn't think it can win in SA without help, and 3) the Spurs are going to be raging pissed for game 3 but on the other hand it sucks because now the refs will probably call it tight on us while letting that pussy Raja Bell get away with murder at the other end.

[CharlieMac]

GONADS!

Thias is soooo great.

[planaria]

Without a doubt.

But that's the fans, I can't see Duncan saying the shit to the press that Amare did.


He only makes this kind of comment about refs... :p:

[popshark86]

I wish the Spurs were serious about filling that hole at the 2-guard spot. You could really use a good one against Phoenix. I have to say, in all fairness, I give a slight edge to Manu over Rolando Blackman, former Mavs great, but then again, Rolando is 47 years old. It's a tossup for sure, but if you put me on the spot, I would grudgingly take Manu over Blackman for tonight's game. Or I might not, again, between the two, it's a close call. Of course, in his prime, Blackman would've destroyed Manu.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/492934811_dce333b6d9_o.jpg

Mavs > Spurs.


http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/image_uploads/retard.jpg

[popshark86]

Good Job STAT. You're just doing what you're supposed to do and telling it like it is. The Spurs are old, dirty and boring. The Suns are young, clean and exciting. Not as good as the Mavs, nobody can touch Dallas, except for the Warriors + 3 blind, bribed mice, but good job Amare. Tim Duncan is an overrated fluke and his nickname should be STAB -- Standing Tall and Boring.

The Dallas Mavericks. The best team. The best fans:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/david_drunk2.jpg

Aguirre, Wrath of God:

http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_02.jpg

lol

mavs lost to an 8th seed team

and you still think there the shit

lol

[samikeyp]

He only makes this kind of comment about refs...

Actually he just laughs...but still gets in trouble! :lol

See? Tim finally cracks a smile and gets yelled at for it! :)

[Russ]

Can anyone answer these two trivia questions about Spurs playoff series in the last 5 (or so) years:

1. Can anyone remember a series when the opposing team (players, coaches, front office personnel, owner) did not complain about either (a) the Spurs' dirty play or (b) officiating favoring the Spurs?

2. Can anyone remember a series when the Spurs (players, coaches, front office personnel, owner) did complain about either (a) the opposing team's dirty play or (b) officiating favoring the opposing team?

In order to qualify, the complaint must be made after or between games, to the press and/or at news conferences. In other words, complaining during the game about, e.g., officiating, doesn't count. (The Spurs bitch as much, or more, than most during the games.)

I know I'm a homer and I see the world through "Spurs-colored glasses," but I honestly can't think of any examples of the above.

Happy hunting. :)

[samikeyp]

Doesn't matter Russ...there are people who will make up stuff that is untrue out of sheer hate.

[Russ]

Doesn't matter Russ...there are people who will make up stuff that is untrue out of sheer hate.

Any example requires "Internet" documentation (the lowest possible standard of proof). :lol

[sprrs]

I hope this just motivates the Spurs for Saturday. Amare just can't learn to keep his mouth shut, it's his biggest problem.

[samikeyp]

Any example requires "Internet" documentation (the lowest possible standard of proof)

I agree but to a lot of people here, proof and the truth mean nothing.

[Durruti]

I wear their complaints as a badge of honor.

It seems like it wasn't all that long ago that we had to deal with that annoying label of a 'soft team.'

Now, we're practically the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's.

I can live with it. :fro

How many times does this have to be said?

There is nothing "hard" or "tough" about flopping, grabbing onto people's legs or kicking them in the ankle when they go up for a dunk. "Dirty" does not equal "tough". It means THE OPPOSITE. It means you don't have the STRENGTH to play straight up like real men.

Instead you have to resort to cheap shots when the refs aren't looking, or becoming drama queens when the OTHER team gets physical. What you see in those Raja pictures is the perfect example of a tough player.

Think of it this way: when a kid pokes a tiger in a cage with a stick, is that tough? No, quite the opposite: it's sneaky and cowardly.

What you see in Manu's flopping or Bowen's attempts to injure other players are the epitome of softness. Indeed, these examples only CEMENT your reputation as a soft team.

But unlike in the past, when you could still claim the moral highground even if other fans labeled you soft, you now have the dubious distinction of being both soft and utterly classless, a bunch of cheap-shot scalywags more concerned with suckering the refs than playing solid ball. Your reputation is very quickly becoming one of a dirty, dirty team.

Talk about a fall from grace!

I have nothing against Spurs fans, you guys ARE classy, but you're gonna run the risk of losing that distinction as well if you go around defending the likes of Bowen instead of manning up and admitting his behavior is unacceptable. If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.

[sprrs]

How many times does this have to be said?

There is nothing "hard" or "tough" about flopping, grabbing onto people's legs or kicking them in the ankle when they go up for a dunk. "Dirty" does not equal "tough". It means THE OPPOSITE. It means you don't have the STRENGTH to play straight up like real men.

Instead you have to resort to cheap shots when the refs aren't looking, or becoming drama queens when the OTHER team gets physical. What you see in those Raja pictures is the perfect example of a tough player.

Think of it this way: when a kid pokes a tiger in a cage with a stick, is that tough? No, quite the opposite: it's sneaky and cowardly.

What you see in Manu's flopping or Bowen's attempts to injure other players are the epitome of softness. Indeed, these examples only CEMENT your reputation as a soft team.

But unlike in the past, when you could still claim the moral highground even if other fans labeled you soft, you now have the dubious distinction of being both soft and utterly classless, a bunch of cheap-shot scalywags more concerned with suckering the refs than playing solid ball. Your reputation is very quickly becoming one of a dirty, dirty team.

Talk about a fall from grace!

I have nothing against Spurs fans, you guys ARE classy, but you're gonna run the risk of losing that distinction as well if you go around defending the likes of Bowen instead of manning up and admitting his behavior is unacceptable. If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.


Sure as hell doesn't imply that they're soft.

[samikeyp]

I have nothing against Spurs fans, you guys ARE classy, but you're gonna run the risk of losing that distinction as well if you go around defending the likes of Bowen instead of manning up and admitting his behavior is unacceptable. If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.

To be fair though...if you are going to generalize an entire fan base due to the actions of one or two players....that is just as ignorant as a Spurs fan thinking their team does nothing bad at all.

Question...why is it when Bell does it, its defense but when Bowen does it, its dirty? You know...Bell does not have a clean rep either.

[Russ]

I have nothing against Spurs fans, you guys ARE classy, but you're gonna run the risk of losing that distinction as well if you go around defending the likes of Bowen instead of manning up and admitting his behavior is unacceptable. If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.

How many players has Bowen seriously injured? If this were soccer, his plays would be called "professional fouls."

[cherylsteele]

People call Manu lots of things but I have never heard anyone call him a dirty player.

[timvp]

I've called out Bowen for being dirty before. For example, I think he knew what he was doing when Steve Francis landed on his foot.

But I just don't see it in this play. I don't think Bowen would risk his livelihood on something as dumb as a kick to the back of the leg. That doesn't make any sense.

If Bowen's goal is to hurt Amare, it wouldn't be that hard to flop into his microfractured knee. Just wait for any contact while Amare is around and propel yourself into the knee. That's what someone would do if they were trying to hurt Amare ... not step on the back of his shoe or whatever.

I still can't believe that of all the plays in this series, that play is getting the most run. Barbosa -- even though he probably didn't do it on purpose -- undercut Parker in a much more gruesome play. And that was after the hard and cheap foul he gave Duncan in Game 1 when he came over with his elbows out to prevent a dunk. If there is someone being reckless/dirty in this series, it's Barbosa.

--timvp

[mardigan]

How many times does this have to be said?

There is nothing "hard" or "tough" about flopping, grabbing onto people's legs or kicking them in the ankle when they go up for a dunk. "Dirty" does not equal "tough". It means THE OPPOSITE. It means you don't have the STRENGTH to play straight up like real men.

Instead you have to resort to cheap shots when the refs aren't looking, or becoming drama queens when the OTHER team gets physical. What you see in those Raja pictures is the perfect example of a tough player.

Think of it this way: when a kid pokes a tiger in a cage with a stick, is that tough? No, quite the opposite: it's sneaky and cowardly.

What you see in Manu's flopping or Bowen's attempts to injure other players are the epitome of softness. Indeed, these examples only CEMENT your reputation as a soft team.

But unlike in the past, when you could still claim the moral highground even if other fans labeled you soft, you now have the dubious distinction of being both soft and utterly classless, a bunch of cheap-shot scalywags more concerned with suckering the refs than playing solid ball. Your reputation is very quickly becoming one of a dirty, dirty team.

Talk about a fall from grace!

I have nothing against Spurs fans, you guys ARE classy, but you're gonna run the risk of losing that distinction as well if you go around defending the likes of Bowen instead of manning up and admitting his behavior is unacceptable. If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.
:lol You got to be kidding me. Im sure that the Spurs organization and their fans will be just fine being remembered as champions.

[FromWayDowntown]

I still can't believe that of all the plays in this series, that play is getting the most run. Barbosa -- even though he probably didn't do it on purpose -- undercut Parker in a much more gruesome play. And that was after the hard and cheap foul he gave Duncan in Game 1 when he came over with his elbows out to prevent a dunk. If there is someone being reckless/dirty in this series, it's Barbosa.

--timvp

Honestly, I don't think the questionable plays of Spurs opponents are frequently discussed in the broader media because the Spurs don't make a big deal about those things. They tend to keep their business with the league and nothing more than that. When the Kobe/Manu situation went down back in January or February, Pop was candid about the fact that the club had sent video to the league and had asked for the tape to be reviewed, but I don't recall him ever suggesting that Kobe was dirty or clamoring for a suspension. If I'm wrong, I'd be willing to admit it, but I don't recall anything like that occurring. The point, though, is that dirty play aimed towards the Spurs -- and there's plenty of it -- doesn't get air time because there aren't incessant complaints about it. If it gets air time, it's either because there's nothing else really going on (the Jason Terry incident) or because it's a story independent of anything the Spurs might say (the Kobe-Manu incident).

[FromWayDowntown]

If I were a Spurs fan I would be more concerned about legacy. How do you want to be remembered? Think about that before you condone Bowen's behavior.

Great point -- history has such a bad view of the Bad Boy Pistons. :rolleyes

[samikeyp]

Barbosa -- even though he probably didn't do it on purpose -- undercut Parker in a much more gruesome play.

No no no no no no....but he is a Sun...its "good defense" You know...like that clean defense Bell played on Kobe last year.

Anything the Spurs do is dirty.

[cherylsteele]

Great point -- history has such a bad view of the Bad Boy Pistons. :rolleyes
Damn, you beat me to the punch....so to speak.

[Udrihlooms]

i'm a spurs fan, and yes i admit that Bowen is a very dirty player, while Manu is a very physical player similar to Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton, but Manu is not dirty. Bowen is.

That play (kicking Amare) was downright malicious (knowing Bowen's history) and dirty. If Raja Bell would kick Timmy in the Achilles, we'd all be screaming for Bell's head. Let's just call a spade a spade. But Amare whines like a toddler, way too much!

[Russ]

Great point -- history has such a bad view of the Bad Boy Pistons. :rolleyes

Rule No. 1 -- winners write the history books. :)

[sunsbum]

No no no no no no....but he is a Sun...its "good defense" You know...like that clean defense Bell played on Kobe last year.

Anything the Spurs do is dirty.


yea forget the fact that kobe elbowed raja in the face NUMEROUS times before raja had enough.. besides, there was nothing dirty about the takedown... raja just straight up clocked him.. bruce bowen has to resolve to cheapshots like kicking his feet under a jump shooter, sweep kicking and kicking people in the back..

[sunsbum]

But Amare whines like a toddler, way too much!


can you name another time youve heard anything from amare about another player or anything else for that matter?

[samikeyp]

yea forget the fact that kobe elbowed raja in the face NUMEROUS times before raja had enough.. besides, there was nothing dirty about the takedown... raja just straight up clocked him.. bruce bowen has to resolve to cheapshots like kicking his feet under a jump shooter, sweep kicking and kicking people in the back..

A clothesline is not dirty?

A Suns fan earlier mentioned that Bowen's actions were not those of "a man should should just play straight up" Despite the elbows, Raja could have been "a man" and not clotheslined him...but oh I forgot..he was "defending" himself. I forgot that ghetto mentality that has permiated into a lot of the players in the NBA..the whole "yo dog, you can't play defense on me...that's disresepecting me and I gots ta get mine"

[sunsbum]

A clothesline is not dirty?

A Suns fan earlier mentioned that Bowen's actions were not those of "a man should should just play straight up" Despite the elbows, Raja could have been "a man" and not clotheslined him...but oh I forgot..he was "defending" himself. I forgot that ghetto mentality that has permiated into a lot of the players in the NBA..the whole "yo dog, you can't play defense on me...that's disresepecting me and I gots ta get mine"


go play some competitive sports and come back and tell me you wouldnt have reacted in some way to two elbow shots to the face. if you tell me you wouldnt react id tell you to go grow some balls.

[Marcus Bryant]

:baby

[FromWayDowntown]

go play some competitive sports and come back and tell me you wouldnt have reacted in some way to two elbow shots to the face. if you tell me you wouldnt react id tell you to go grow some balls.

I played offensive line for years, including at a Division 1 college. I took plenty of cheap shots from opponents during my day. But I never took a cheap shot against an opponent. It's complete bullshit. Nothing -- nothing -- ever justifies a cheap shot like Bell's on Kobe during last year's playoffs.

[samikeyp]

I have played competitive sports and I have reacted just as you are suggesting. Doesn't mean I was right, I have also retaliated in the best way you should...by winning. I also knew that if someone did that to me...I already had the advantage and used that. Besides, professional athletes are supposed to be above that.

Your response was exactly the attitude I was talking about. More concerned about "gettin my respect" and "provin' im a man and I aint no punk" then you are about winning.

[sunsbum]

:baby

there you are, i was wondering when you were going to get on and start padding that awesome ass post count. 300 posts per day? man you better get started.

[mardigan]

go play some competitive sports and come back and tell me you wouldnt have reacted in some way to two elbow shots to the face. if you tell me you wouldnt react id tell you to go grow some balls.
Rajas a dirty player no matter how many excuses you make for him

[kps0001]

At least the Spurs have a past to talk about. Spurs fans as well as Bulls fans, Laker fans, Detroit fans, Houston fans, Miami Fans and all the other previous champions have earned bragging rights. Thats why there are bumper stickers with the words NBA Champions insert year and team, Thats why banners get hoisted in the air, should those be taken down also because the franchise is living in the past? Thats so stupid. Your team has not earned it and neither have you. Stop being a whiny bitter bitch. Way to go :rolleyes



whiny bitter bitch? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about since I have pretty much sided with Spurs fans regarding this whole debate of being dirty and have even said Suns fans are complaining too much about the play in question. Go find some of my posts where I am whining and or bitching.

I have tried to be civil in my responses but it seems it is easier for you to go on the defensive and call people names. Your statement about the banners as a comparison to me saying Spurs fans live in the past is retarded combined with the personal name calling you seem to want to resort to means you have no credibility in my book. Why don't you actually read and actually try to comprehend posts, most importantly your own, before you go spouting off like an amateur.

My point with the living in past comment was it really doesn't matter about your Spurs championships. Those who keep bringing that up obviously have nothing else to bring to the table. Does is it really make a difference that the Spurs have won championships in the past in this current series? If the same exact personnel were on the floor, maybe.

I actually don't know why I am even wasting my time trying to rationalize with you. Way to represent your team and message board. :clap

[sunsbum]

I have played competitive sports and I have reacted just as you are suggesting. Doesn't mean I was right, I have also retaliated in the best way you should...by winning. I also knew that if someone did that to me...I already had the advantage and used that. Besides, professional athletes are supposed to be above that.

the point is, raja reacted. bowen is doing that crap for shits and giggles and to obviously take players out of the game..

another example is raja punching that kid in the dick. its not like hes planning to do something like that, its a reaction.. bowen is intentionally trying to hurt someone for no apparent reason.

[kris]

I've called out Bowen for being dirty before. For example, I think he knew what he was doing when Steve Francis landed on his foot.

But I just don't see it in this play. I don't think Bowen would risk his livelihood on something as dumb as a kick to the back of the leg. That doesn't make any sense.

If Bowen's goal is to hurt Amare, it wouldn't be that hard to flop into his microfractured knee. Just wait for any contact while Amare is around and propel yourself into the knee. That's what someone would do if they were trying to hurt Amare ... not step on the back of his shoe or whatever.

I still can't believe that of all the plays in this series, that play is getting the most run. Barbosa -- even though he probably didn't do it on purpose -- undercut Parker in a much more gruesome play. And that was after the hard and cheap foul he gave Duncan in Game 1 when he came over with his elbows out to prevent a dunk. If there is someone being reckless/dirty in this series, it's Barbosa.

--timvp

I don't think Bowen was trying to kick Amare on this play either. That wouldn't really serve any purpose other than a kick to his lower leg or shoe so maybe it stings, but no ankle sprain, etc. It does look like he awkwardly stepped to where his foot was very close to where Amare would land.

I'd like to see the play from different angles and with better definition. But, as the laundry list continues to pile, I've decided Bowenn is just a dirty player. The bad part about the reputation is in cases like this one where he may have actually been innocent, it puts the shadow of doubt squarely on him.

I agree about Barbosa. He was super reckless with that undercut and too me, your just as much to blame if you play reckless/stupid and can't control yourself and you end up hurting someone.

Barbosa's duck under was just retarded. I'd believe he didn't mean ill intent, but come on, you duck under someone falling backward in mid air? That could seriously hurt someone.

Same thing with Juwan Howard pretending to contest DA's shot when he knew he couldn't get up that high so he just body slammed him. Whether he meant to or not, that is just too stupid of a play to be completely innocent of hurting the other player.

To me an accident is like Okur falling on Dee Brown. That wasn't really avoidable, just happened on accident by no ones fault or negligence.

[mardigan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CplMELbi7o
I also always think its funny that Sun fans also think that this was an elbow. Rajas a little bitch

[sunsbum]

Rajas a dirty player no matter how many excuses you make for him

raja is an angel compared to your boy bowen...raja doesnt try to end peoples careers.

[PhxDog]

I've called out Bowen for being dirty before. For example, I think he knew what he was doing when Steve Francis landed on his foot.

But I just don't see it in this play. I don't think Bowen would risk his livelihood on something as dumb as a kick to the back of the leg. That doesn't make any sense.
You really feel that Bowen perceived risk there?

My sense is that he did what he did, when he did it precisely because he assumed there would be no chance he would be called to account for it. And because he's a sore loser, of course.

[sunsbum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CplMELbi7o
I also always think its funny that Sun fans also think that this was an elbow. Rajas a little bitch


let me dig something up for you sherlock...gimme a few minutes.

[coachmac87]

Ummm...the Spurs traded the pick to the Suns before it was made, but didn't get the paperwork or approval or whatever done in time, so the Spurs picked the Sun's choice. The Suns wanted him and the Spurs didn't want the guaranteed salary of a first rounder. That's old news...I'm not looking it up, but if you're that wound up about it Google "Barbosa 2003 draft Spurs Suns" and you should be able to find it.


ya that wasnt the point...he said that dantoni was the scout who scouted him for the spurs or sumthin

[samikeyp]

the point is, raja reacted. bowen is doing that crap for shits and giggles and to obviously take players out of the game..

another example is raja punching that kid in the dick. its not like hes planning to do something like that, its a reaction.. bowen is intentionally trying to hurt someone for no apparent reason.

The point is...a man and smart player cares more about winning than retaliation.

So Raja Bell has never ever once done anything dirty?

Just because you don't plan something, doesn't make it not dirty...in fact most of the dirty shots you see are heat of the moment.

If you seriously believe Bruce Bowen sits before a game and plans "Hmm...I think I will go after Amare's knee tonight" then you are an ignorant fool.

Is Bruce completely innocent? Not at all. He has pulled some shit that would get his ass kicked in a lot of neighborhoods. But you are calling Spurs fans homers for not acknowledging Bruce's shady behavior, then you turn around and do THE EXACT SAME THING when referring to Raja Bell.

[Durruti]

http://www.zakc.net/img/bowen_kick.gif

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this shit ALL THE TIME.

[sunsbum]

I don't think Bowen was trying to kick Amare on this play either. That wouldn't really serve any purpose other than a kick to his lower leg or shoe so maybe it stings, but no ankle sprain, etc. It does look like he awkwardly stepped to where his foot was very close to where Amare would land.

I'd like to see the play from different angles and with better definition. But, as the laundry list continues to pile, I've decided Bowenn is just a dirty player. The bad part about the reputation is in cases like this one where he may have actually been innocent, it puts the shadow of doubt squarely on him.

I agree about Barbosa. He was super reckless with that undercut and too me, your just as much to blame if you play reckless/stupid and can't control yourself and you end up hurting someone.

Barbosa's duck under was just retarded. I'd believe he didn't mean ill intent, but come on, you duck under someone falling backward in mid air? That could seriously hurt someone.

Same thing with Juwan Howard pretending to contest DA's shot when he knew he couldn't get up that high so he just body slammed him. Whether he meant to or not, that is just too stupid of a play to be completely innocent of hurting the other player.

To me an accident is like Okur falling on Dee Brown. That wasn't really avoidable, just happened on accident by no ones fault or negligence.


barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

[samikeyp]

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this shit ALL THE TIME.

and if it was Raja Bell...he would have "slipped".

[coachmac87]

http://www.zakc.net/img/bowen_kick.gif

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this shit ALL THE TIME.

jason terry should never play in the league agian either for punching a man in his babymaker :lol

[nkdlunch]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

same goes for Manu + Bowen

[samikeyp]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

and you know him personally so you can say this with 100% certainty.

If so..that's pretty cool.

[kris]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

Didn't say he would on purpose. But that's no excuse for being stupid and hurting someone.

[coachmac87]

barbosa couldnt tell u he was a nice guy in english even if he wanted to

[samikeyp]

same goes for Manu + Bowen

Very true...all that work Bowen does with kids and education...Damn he's the Devil! :)

[mardigan]

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this shit ALL THE TIME.
Once again, just because you like to state your dumbass opinion like its fact doesnt make it so. I personally dont ever see Bowen look down, dont ever see him make contact, so I dont care what you think. I thought this "wasnt even the play", according to you in the other thread :lol

[sunsbum]

The point is...a man and smart player cares more about winning than retaliation.

So Raja Bell has never ever once done anything dirty?

Just because you don't plan something, doesn't make it not dirty...in fact most of the dirty shots you see are heat of the moment.

If you seriously believe Bruce Bowen sits before a game and plans "Hmm...I think I will go after Amare's knee tonight" then you are an ignorant fool.

Is Bruce completely innocent? Not at all. He has pulled some shit that would get his ass kicked in a lot of neighborhoods. But you are calling Spurs fans homers for not acknowledging Bruce's shady behavior, then you turn around and do THE EXACT SAME THING when referring to Raja Bell.


so i guess you would call jordan and kobe dirty players because theyve thrown punches too right?

there is a huge difference between shady/dirty (bowen) and someone just straight up clocking a guy.

[dbreiden83080]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.

[Durruti]

Some of Bowen's greatest "hits".

Ray Allen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgHeeOZJFI

Anthony Parker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQMubkHKPE

Wally Szcerbiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAakQjpFibg

Jamaal Crawford and Steve Francis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPQkEsM8uM

And most recently, Amare.

The thing that makes Bowen different from all of the other "dirty players" in the NBA is that he consistently tries to cause CAREER-THREATENING injuries to other players. We're not talking about a fist fight or a hard foul or pushing someone out of bounds. We're talking about the lowest of the low.

[kris]

Amare's argument does lose some credibility for calling Manu out for purposely trying to knee him on the groin. I remember the play he was talking about and they showed the replays and it looks like he got kneed because Manu drove with his leg up (like regularly) and Staudimire jumped into Manu's space trying for the block.

[Durruti]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.

I think you have it backwards. Suns will be mighty pissed that Bowen tried to injure STAT.

[coachmac87]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.


this happens every year with bowen...not bulletin board material....and i dont think the spurs are getting crunk around the chalkboard reading what amare said about them... :sleep

[samikeyp]

so i guess you would call jordan and kobe dirty players because theyve thrown punches too right?

there is a huge difference between shady/dirty (bowen) and someone just straight up clocking a guy.

No I would call those actions classless. I would again attribute those to heat of the moment. There is a difference between a pattern of behavior and a once in a while occurence (sp?) my point is they are both wrong and those who do it are wrong for doing it.

[samikeyp]

Stat?

[Durruti]

I thought this "wasnt even the play", according to you in the other thread :lol

Wrong. I said you couldn't see the play from the footage originally posted (wrong camera angle), and I was correct.

[kps0001]

and if it was Raja Bell...he would have "slipped".

actually I think Raja would say himself he was tired of taking his shit. Owned up to it like a man. He did in the infamous Kobe incident and the Bargnani incident this year. Problem is Spurs just deny everything and are never in the wrong. Pop must have taught them that from his military days.

[mardigan]

Wrong. I said you couldn't see the play from the footage originally posted (wrong camera angle), and I was correct.
Um, no you werent, its the same fucking angle as the video we were looking at the other day, it just wasnt slowed down super slow. You couldnt see shit then, and your just making more of it up now

[howbouthemspurs]

bitch, bitch, bitch..........

[dbreiden83080]

I think you have it backwards. Suns will be mighty pissed that Bowen tried to injure STAT.

He didn't that is all in their heads. However what is real is Amare crying like a bitch and talking trash about a team the Suns have never been able to beat when it counts.

[sunsbum]

Amare's argument does lose some credibility for calling Manu out for purposely trying to knee him on the groin. I remember the play he was talking about and they showed the replays and it looks like he got kneed because Manu drove with his leg up (like regularly) and Staudimire jumped into Manu's space trying for the block.

i agree with you on the manu thing, allthough i do think hes an ankle biter i wouldnt call him dirty. he just likes to flop as does bell.

[nkdlunch]

Stat?

that's the dumbest nickname in history of sports. even dumber than "shitface" for Nash

[samikeyp]

actually I think Raja would say himself he was tired of taking his shit. Owned up to it like a man. He did in the infamous Kobe incident and the Bargnani incident this year. Problem is Spurs just deny everything and are never in the wrong. Pop must have taught them that from his military days.

Ok...so now its the entire Spurs team who is dirty and denies it. I get Bowen and yes Ginobili is a flopping fool but who on the Spurs have been asked about those actions and denied it?

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Some of Bowen's greatest "hits".

Ray Allen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgHeeOZJFI

Anthony Parker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQMubkHKPE

Wally Szcerbiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAakQjpFibg

Jamaal Crawford and Steve Francis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPQkEsM8uM

And most recently, Amare.

The thing that makes Bowen different from all of the other "dirty players" in the NBA is that he consistently tries to cause CAREER-THREATENING injuries to other players. We're not talking about a fist fight or a hard foul or pushing someone out of bounds. We're talking about the lowest of the low.
That's fucking mild compared to other things that have gone on in the NBA. You can cry like a little girl all you want, but nothings going to change. If the commissioner thought Bowen was really "dirty" he'd be out of the league already. Only pussy's like you bitch and complain. Which is pretty fucking hilarious if you ask me.

[sunsbum]

that's the dumbest nickname in history of sports. even dumber than "shitface" for Nash


God youre so fucking clever. i bet you just hit the submit button kick your feet up on the computer desk and chuckle about how funny you are.

[coachmac87]

Wally Szcerbiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAakQjpFibg


ok imma spurs fan and i cant even back this up...come on people why cant u just admit it...BRUCE BOWEN IS A DIRTY PLAYER...but who cares if he is...i just hate it how people are denying this...its obvious there is video of other incidents that are way worse than this..but this amare thing just adds to it

[samikeyp]

i agree with you on the manu thing, allthough i do think hes an ankle biter i wouldnt call him dirty. he just likes to flop as does bell.

Ankle biter...I think we should make that his official nickname. :) Seriously..that is funny.

I like Manu....but the flopping is annoying as fuck.

[samikeyp]

ok imma spurs fan and i cant even back this up...come on people why cant u just admit it...BRUCE BOWEN IS A DIRTY PLAYER...but who cares if he is...i just hate it how people are denying this...its obvious there is video of other incidents that are way worse than this..but this amare thing just adds to it

the Wally thing was actually more of a case of Bruce getting fooled by the head fake...getting him in the air was Bruce biting on the fake....leading with his foot was not smart though.

[mardigan]

Wrong. I said you couldn't see the play from the footage originally posted (wrong camera angle), and I was correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QigtC_J_1K0
Original posted footage, same shit, 1:15 mark of the vid
Different angle my ass

[sunsbum]

Ankle biter...I think we should make that his official nickname. :) Seriously..that is funny.

I like Manu....but the flopping is annoying as fuck.


i remember in 2005 someone found a picture of a koala attached to this guys back, he put manus head on the koala and amares head on the dude...it was pretty fucking hilarious.

[samikeyp]

I saw the same video....I didn't see Bruce look to see if he made contact but it did look like an intentional kick to me. But just because it think it was doesn't make it so.

[sunsbum]

the Wally thing was actually more of a case of Bruce getting fooled by the head fake...getting him in the air was Bruce biting on the fake....leading with his foot was not smart though.

the only thing i dont like about that clip is that bowen didnt even attempt to lower his foot...i mean who fucking flys with their foot out like that...but i dont think that ones as bad as the ones where he puts his foot under the shooters.

[kps0001]

Ok...so now its the entire Spurs team who is dirty and denies it. I get Bowen and yes Ginobili is a flopping fool but who on the Spurs have been asked about those actions and denied it?


Wow you all get so testy. Where did I say the entire Spurs team? we all know the players in question do I need to spell it out. Bowen, Ginobli, and Duncan ( and before people start flipping out on that I don't imply Duncan is dirty just he can rarely if ever believe he committed a foul)

[Russ]

Bowen needs to assasinate the entire Suns team . . .

One by one . . .

And make it look like an accident.

Just a terrible coincidence . . .

And be the beneficiary in all their wills . . .

:elephant

[coachmac87]

this just in.....BRUCE BOWEN IS A DIRTY BASKETBALL PLAYER

this just in.....I HAVE KNOWN THIS EVER SINCE HE HAS DONE THE SAME LEG UNDER THE GUY WHEN HE SHOOTS A JUMPER

[timvp]

Some of Bowen's greatest "hits".

Ray Allen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgHeeOZJFI

Anthony Parker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQMubkHKPE

Wally Szcerbiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAakQjpFibg

Jamaal Crawford and Steve Francis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPQkEsM8uM

And most recently, Amare.

The thing that makes Bowen different from all of the other "dirty players" in the NBA is that he consistently tries to cause CAREER-THREATENING injuries to other players. We're not talking about a fist fight or a hard foul or pushing someone out of bounds. We're talking about the lowest of the low.

WTF?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TEG4F84Odtc&mode=related&search=

You have a player on your team that could have killed someone in an obvious tantrum and you call Bowen the lowest of the low? When has Bowen ever lost his composure like that? Never.

Yeah, Bowen's dirty but the Suns have the king of dirt on their team.

[samikeyp]

Wow you all get so testy. Where did I say the entire Spurs team? we all know the players in question do I need to spell it out. Bowen, Ginobli, and Duncan ( and before people start flipping out on that I don't imply Duncan is dirty just he can rarely if ever believe he committed a foul)

You said "Spurs" implying all of them. If that was not your implication, fair enough but just by the text you can't tell.

I agree Duncan is a whiner...but what NBA player, especially superstar, doesn't?

[dbreiden83080]

the only thing i dont like about that clip is that bowen didnt even attempt to lower his foot...i mean who fucking flys with their foot out like that...but i dont think that ones as bad as the ones where he puts his foot under the shooters.

If Bruce really meant to hurt him than he deserves to be suspended but i don't think that he did. It all happened so fast you have to slow that down to a crazy rate of speed to even begin to see anything possibly wrong.

[coachmac87]

every great defender has been called dirty

[ambchang]

To summarize:
1) Whatever Bowen did is dirty and sneaky, cheap and classless despite no fouls were called.
2) Whatever Bell did is justified and manlike, because it was retaliation and called for, despite the fact he was suspended for one game.
3) It does not matter that Bell has more technicals, flagrants and suspensions than Bowen in their respective careers, it's just that Bowen is dirty, and the best argument is, I said so.
4) The league is protecting the Spurs and its thug behaviour for reasons not entirely known, and this despite the FACT that the Spurs are boring, hurt TV ratings, Spurs ranking dead last in FTA in the playoffs so far, and the league is cleaning up it's thug image.
BTW, all you need is a bunch of sheep that watch the Spurs 2 times a year to make conclusive matter-of-fact statements about the Spurs dirtiness whenver their favourite team is having a bleak outlook in a series; people who can't understand why their favourite team is missing those layups and shots "they used to make." Forget about admitting that they do not understand the game and see how forcing people to take shots at tough angles is as great, if not greater, defense than blocking a shot to the 3rd row, because it's much more convenient to blame the Spurs being dirty and causing other people to be worried of being injured

[mardigan]

this just in.....BRUCE BOWEN IS A DIRTY BASKETBALL PLAYER

this just in.....I HAVE KNOWN THIS EVER SINCE HE HAS DONE THE SAME LEG UNDER THE GUY WHEN HE SHOOTS A JUMPER
This just in, your no Spur fan

[Borosai]

Bruce Bowen is hiding under Amare's bed at this very moment, waiting to trip his dumb ass.

[sunsbum]

WTF?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TEG4F84Odtc&mode=related&search=

You have a player on your team that could have killed someone in an obvious tantrum and you call Bowen the lowest of the low? When has Bowen ever lost his composure like that? Never.

Yeah, Bowen's dirty but the Suns have the king of dirt on their team.

did you seriously just say raja could have KILLED HIM? :downspin:

[sunsbum]

To summarize:
1) Whatever Bowen did is dirty and sneaky, cheap and classless despite no fouls were called.
2) Whatever Bell did is justified and manlike, because it was retaliation and called for, despite the fact he was suspended for one game.
3) It does not matter that Bell has more technicals, flagrants and suspensions than Bowen in their respective careers, it's just that Bowen is dirty, and the best argument is, I said so.
4) The league is protecting the Spurs and its thug behaviour for reasons not entirely known, and this despite the FACT that the Spurs are boring, hurt TV ratings, Spurs ranking dead last in FTA in the playoffs so far, and the league is cleaning up it's thug image.
BTW, all you need is a bunch of sheep that watch the Spurs 2 times a year to make conclusive matter-of-fact statements about the Spurs dirtiness whenver their favourite team is having a bleak outlook in a series; people who can't understand why their favourite team is missing those layups and shots "they used to make." Forget about admitting that they do not understand the game and see how forcing people to take shots at tough angles is as great, if not greater, defense than blocking a shot to the 3rd row, because it's much more convenient to blame the Spurs being dirty and causing other people to be worried of being injured


i would love to read that, enter key does wonders.

[ducks]

did you seriously just say raja could have KILLED HIM? :downspin:
you are making az look bad
stfu

[timvp]

did you seriously just say raja could have KILLED HIM? :downspin:

Bending someone over backwards by pulling back their neck could cause way more injury than stepping on the back of someone's shoe. Don't believe me ... go read that tell all book your team let get produced.

[mardigan]

did you seriously just say raja could have KILLED HIM? :downspin:
Wheres that video I was waiting for chief?

[hitmanyr2k]

every great defender has been called dirty

Bullshit :lol Bowen is nowhere near the overall defender Scottie Pippen was but has Pippen ever been called dirty or had a rep for being dirty? Nope.

[coachmac87]

This just in, your no Spur fan


fuck u sir...im just not a homer...imma die hard spur fan asshole... :toast

bruce bowen is a dirty player..i have a right to say that and be a spur fan...

u just have to face the facts that not every spur is a classy lil angel like we want them to be...we live in the real world dumbass

[samikeyp]

Bullshit Bowen is nowhere near the overall defender Scottie Pippen was but has Pippen ever been called dirty or had a rep for being dirty? Nope.

That is true....Pippen was never called dirty(except maybe in NY :))

Whiner, yes....dirty no.

[mardigan]

http://www.zakc.net/img/bowen_kick.gif

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this shit ALL THE TIME.
Its so funny that today you call it blatantly obvious but yesterday you couldnt see the play from this angle :lol

[hater]

Bullshit :lol Bowen is nowhere near the overall defender Scottie Pippen was but has Pippen ever been called dirty or had a rep for being dirty? Nope.

Pippen can't hold Bowen's jock when it comes to defense.

[sunsbum]

you are making az look bad
stfu


says the guy who uses "stfu"

[UV Ray]

Then Amare should have their front office send in the video for review. He shouldn't make statements to the media. It's just dumb on his part. How fired up do you think the Spurs will be now?

Bowen will not be suspended. However, he will be on notice. If there is even a hint of dirty play from Bowen, he'll be gone. If there is any effect at all it will be from the tentative play of Bowen to avoid suspension.

Game 3
Suns 112
Spurs 101

That is unless the Teddy Bear Effect comes into play.

[sunsbum]

Wheres that video I was waiting for chief?


still looking for it...

[hitmanyr2k]

Pippen can't hold Bowen's jock when it comes to defense.

Get the fuck outta here :lol

Pippen was the best defender of his era. Not only did he do all the shit that Bowen did (AND MORE) he also SCORED, REBOUNDED, was a playmaker. Bowen doesn't impress me. The guy gets to devote all of his energy to defense and he STILL isn't the defender Pippen was lol.

[mardigan]

fuck u sir...im just not a homer...imma die hard spur fan asshole... :toast

bruce bowen is a dirty player..i have a right to say that and be a spur fan...

u just have to face the facts that not every spur is a classy lil angel like we want them to be...we live in the real world dumbass
No your an idiot bandwagoner that probably started rooting for the Spurs after their last title or just dont know shit about watching a good defensive player play ball pendejo. maybe he isnt the cleanest all the time, but he isnt dirty

[hater]

Get the fuck outta here :lol

Pippen was the best defender of his era.

LMFAO at bulls fan bringing up Scoring, rebounding... :lol

[coachmac87]

Get the fuck outta here :lol

Pippen was the best defender of his era. Not only did he do all the shit that Bowen did (AND MORE) he also SCORED, REBOUNDED, was a playmaker. Bowen doesn't impress me. The guy gets to devote all of his energy to defense and he STILL isn't the defender Pippen was lol.


for real how can u compare pippen to bowen..pip is top 50 ever(dont think so) but bowen isnt in the top 500

[mardigan]

for real how can u compare pippen to bowen..pip is top 50 ever(dont think so) but bowen isnt in the top 500
God your bright. Talking straight defense dipshit, not overall game. Bowen is as good man to man defender as the league has ever seen

[samikeyp]

One thing Pippen and Bowen have in common....neither won DPOY.

[Trainwreck2100]

It was a wide-open play," he said. "I saw the replay and Bruce Bowen came up behind me, measured his feet and kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles. That was a dirty play.


He needed a video to realize this?

[samikeyp]

It was a wide-open play," he said. "I saw the replay and Bruce Bowen came up behind me, measured his feet and kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles. That was a dirty play.

In his opinion it was...in Bruce's it wasn't. Does that mean one is wrong and the other is right? No.

[coachmac87]

No your an idiot bandwagoner that probably started rooting for the Spurs after their last title or just dont know shit about watching a good defensive player play ball pendejo. maybe he isnt the cleanest all the time, but he isnt dirty



get the fuck out of here man....BRUCE BOWEN IS DIRTY...ur just a stupid fan who will think that everybody is agaisnt ur team....how can u support bruce bowen doing what he did..even if he is on ur fav team....he could have seriosuly injured vc...took out francis for couple weeks...and took out crawford in the same game...i am a spurs fan and will always be a spur fan..if ur a real spur fan and care about "class" u wouldnt suppport someone who could jepordize another player game,season or even career..jackass :donkey

[mardigan]

get the fuck out of here man....BRUCE BOWEN IS DIRTY...ur just a stupid fan who will think that everybody is agaisnt ur team....how can u support bruce bowen doing what he did..even if he is on ur fav team....he could have seriosuly injured vc...took out francis for couple weeks...and took out crawford in the same game...i am a spurs fan and will always be a spur fan..if ur a real spur fan and care about "class" u wouldnt suppport someone who could jepordize another player game,season or even career..jackass :donkey
:lol Whatever you say man, stay "classy"

[samikeyp]

A real Spurs fan doesn't tell other Spurs fans how they should or shouldn't act. The one thing that all Spurs fans have in common is that they are Spurs fans. Shouldn't that be all that matters?

[dbreiden83080]

get the fuck out of here man....BRUCE BOWEN IS DIRTY...ur just a stupid fan who will think that everybody is agaisnt ur team....how can u support bruce bowen doing what he did..even if he is on ur fav team....he could have seriosuly injured vc...took out francis for couple weeks...and took out crawford in the same game...i am a spurs fan and will always be a spur fan..if ur a real spur fan and care about "class" u wouldnt suppport someone who could jepordize another player game,season or even career..jackass :donkey

How many times has Bowen been tossed for his suppossed dirty antics on the court might i ask you?

[samikeyp]

Or fined or suspended?

[mardigan]

Or fined or suspended?
He got fined for that kick to Ray Allen, but thats it I think

[Trainwreck2100]

Please don't use logic, it's too logical.

[Russ]

Bruce is a physical therapist. He just wanted to stretch Amare's Achilles that's all. :)

[Trainwreck2100]

He got fined for that kick to Ray Allen, but thats it I think


Wally

[coachmac87]

How many times has Bowen been tossed for his suppossed dirty antics on the court might i ask you?


zero...that wasnt my point retard..he isnt brutal...just dirty...does little things to piss off the oppenent...sometimes he puts other players season or career on the line...and hes done more than 3 times so its not just a coincidence

[sunsbum]

Wheres that video I was waiting for chief?


it looks like it was taken off the internet, the only thing thats left is a forum where someone posted it and then people started admitting that kobe did in fact elbow bell in the face pretty hard. it was hard enough to make his face skin react like he got punched in the face.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?p=7319240

you can read peoples reaction there...other than that i cant find anything else anymore.

[samikeyp]

zero...that wasnt my point retard..he isnt brutal...just dirty...does little things to piss off the oppenent...sometimes he puts other players season or career on the line...and hes done more than 3 times so its not just a coincidence

A lot of NBA players do that....some people here think its exclusively a Bowen thing.

[dbreiden83080]

zero...that wasnt my point retard..he isnt brutal...just dirty...does little things to piss off the oppenent...sometimes he puts other players season or career on the line...and hes done more than 3 times so its not just a coincidence

Why did you just call me a retard did i insult you no i didn't so knock that shit off junior. This is all subjective. What you see as horriffic obviously the refs do not and up to this point the league office has not either.

[Trainwreck2100]

zero...that wasnt my point retard..he isnt brutal...just dirty...does little things to piss off the oppenent...sometimes he puts other players season or career on the line...and hes done more than 3 times so its not just a coincidence


How many careers has he ended?

[THE SIXTH MAN]

zero...that wasnt my point retard..he isnt brutal...just dirty...does little things to piss off the oppenent...sometimes he puts other players season or career on the line...and hes done more than 3 times so its not just a coincidence
Try looking at more teams play other than the Spurs. That's a pretty common move.

[mardigan]

A lot of NBA players do that....some people here think its exclusively a Bowen thing.
Yea, a lot of idiot b-ball fans just dont realize it because other players arent scrutinized the way Bruce is. I guarantee that if I had the resources I could make a great Matt Harpring dirty plays video

[ducks]

why did amare not say this after game 2 when he talked to reporters?
why did he not go to the ref and complain during the game?

[samikeyp]

why did amare not say this after game 2 when he talked to reporters?
why did he not go to the ref and complain during the game?

Because, sadly, more and more players are concerned more about getting on TV than anything else.

[ducks]

so he thinks something up and says this
and tries to make spurs look bad
class amare class

[kps0001]

You said "Spurs" implying all of them. If that was not your implication, fair enough but just by the text you can't tell.

I agree Duncan is a whiner...but what NBA player, especially superstar, doesn't?

True

and

True

I think its funny both teams fans are whining about dirty plays, players, and players whining.


Carry on.

[samikeyp]

so he thinks something up and says this
and tries to make spurs look bad
class amare class

Oh I think Amare believes he was kicked and I think he was but don't run to the media like a little bitch, you play harder next time and show Bowen he is not affecting you....hell, his team won the game...that should be all that matters.

[PhxDog]

why did amare not say this after game 2 when he talked to reporters?
why did he not go to the ref and complain during the game?
His back was to the play when it happened?

[Admidave50]

Amare is just the biggest pussy in the NBA! Be ready for some serious ass kicking Saturday!

[hitmanyr2k]

why did amare not say this after game 2 when he talked to reporters?
why did he not go to the ref and complain during the game?

Ever think that Amare didn't see the footage of what Bowen did until just recently? How is Amare supposed to complain to the ref when his back was to Bowen during the time it happened? What was he supposed to say? "Uh ref, I don't have eyes in the back of my head but I think someone kicked me while going up for that dunk". Is there a lack of common sense on this board when it comes to defending Bruce or what? You guys come up with every excuse in the book. "Uh, uh, well other players are doing it". Yeah, other guys are really trying to sweep the leg on dunk attempts. Christ :lol

[ducks]

if someone kicked me I would know it
before I saw it on tv

[samikeyp]

His back was to the play when it happened?

Then he didn't feel it? Couldn't have been that hard of a shot.

[ducks]

His back was to the play when it happened?
and he could not feel the suppose kick because he has no feeling in his legs?

[samikeyp]

You guys come up with every excuse in the book.

Yes because all Spurs fans think alike. :rolleyes

[kps0001]

and he could not feel the suppose kick because he has no feeling in his legs?

yes because he really didn't have microfracture surgery. Amare is half robot.








Oh wait that won't work since he can't jump like he used to. Maybe he just hasn't learned how to master the bionics yet.

[PhxDog]

Then he didn't feel it? Couldn't have been that hard of a shot.
He knew he got kicked, yes, and complained at the time.

[judaspriestess]

Well lets see, Alonzo Mourning said good defenders get called dirty inlcuding him(don't know what happened to that thread) and now Greg Anthony said the Spurs have a stifling defense, (I'm paraphrasing of course). They crowd you and stop your flow. Thats why they have won three championships. (sounds like GA is living in the past, come on now GA). Greg Anthony also said amare needs to shut up and learn to play against a good defensive team.

I just get a kick out of the homer fans who discount the words of a former NBA player. Most of the fans didn't even play high school basketball but oh boy they sure are the authorities.

[Budkin]

LOL, someone sent Amare the YouTube video and now he thinks Bowen tried to kick him. Sad.

[samikeyp]

He knew he got kicked, yes, and complained at the time.

So then he made his point...why keep bitching?

[sunsbum]

Amare is just the biggest pussy in the NBA! Be ready for some serious ass kicking Saturday!

:rolleyes nice signature, i believe the biggest pussy in the nba right now is the one you see everytime you post on this message board.

[kps0001]

consider the source. When have you ever heard Greg Anthony talk anything good about the Suns? I wouldn't expect a Spurs fan to know anything about this. But since he is former NBA player he speaks the gospel. Lets believe everything the media says even if that media is a former NBA player.

[samikeyp]

consider the source. When have you ever heard Greg Anthony talk anything good about the Suns. I wouldn't expect a Spurs fan to know this. But since he is former NBA player he speaks the gospel. Lets believe everything the media says even if that media is a former NBA player.

Again...because all Spurs fans think alike :rolleyes

Greg Anthony has never been very complimentary of the Spurs over the years as well.

[kps0001]

Most of the fans didn't even play high school basketball but oh boy they sure are the authorities.


playing high school basketball makes one an authority on the sport? I would venture to say several of NBA and college coaches didn't play pro basketball, college, or even high school basketball.

[timvp]

17 pages because Bowen stepped on the back of Amare's shoe?

Classic.

[Borosai]

Greg Anthony is a tard too.

[MavericksDynasty]

Both the Spurs and Suns are flukes. The Suns don't play defense and the Spurs are a dirty team. It's too bad one of them has to win this series. Good Job STAT on calling out Bowen for being an overrated, dirty fluke.

[kps0001]

Again...because all Spurs fans think alike :rolleyes

Greg Anthony has never been very complimentary of the Spurs over the years as well.


it wasn't meant to be a knock. I figured Spurs fans don't really care about what GA says about the Suns all season long or years for that matter. Likewise I don't pay attention to what he says about the Spurs. Eh, whatever.

[ducks]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA051007.bowenstoudemire.57ad2582.html
Spurs: Stoudemire says Bowen tried to hurt him

Web Posted: 05/10/2007 08:18 PM CDT

Mike Monroe
Express-News Staff Writer

PHOENIX -- Phoenix Suns All-NBA center Amare Stoudemire on Thursday accused Spurs forward Bruce Bowen of intentionally trying to injure him during Game 2 of their Western Conference semifinal series.

Stoudemire said Bowen kicked him in the back of his leg as he went up for a dunk with 10:23 remaining in the fourth quarter of the Suns’ 101-81 victory Tuesday night at U.S. Airways Center.

“He’s going to get somebody injured out there,” Stoudemire said. “He has a don’t-care type of attitude and it showed in Game 2 when he kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles. I almost came down wrong and caused an injury.

“He’s known for doing it. I just hope the NBA and the Commissioner (David Stern) will take a look at that.
"It's definitely a dirty play, and that's something we don't need. We don't need dirty players out there purposely trying to injure someone."



In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

[judaspriestess]

consider the source. When have you ever heard Greg Anthony talk anything good about the Suns? I wouldn't expect a Spurs fan to know anything about this. But since he is former NBA player he speaks the gospel. Lets believe everything the media says even if that media is a former NBA player.

well retard, GA never speaks kindly of too many teams, including the Spurs. Not that you would know that. Why not bring up Alonzo Mourning's comments also. The media is dismissing what amare is saying cause its a wussy thing to say.
why maybe yes, an NBA player has a hell of alot more insight than us people typing on a fucking computer.
Maybe the suns are not that great, did you take that into consideration?

[LilMissSPURfect]

Stoudemire and Suns don't whine ....... :rolleyes they just play awesome defense and win! <sarcasm>

[kps0001]

well retard, ?

I read nothing after that.

[samikeyp]

In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

NBA/Spurs conspiracy theories in 10....9....8.....

[MavericksDynasty]

LOL Bruce Bowen is the definition of fluke. What is his PER, like 3? And do the Spurs have ANY celebrity fans, besides that tranny that Tony Longoria is schtupping? Need I remind you Spurs fans that we have all the celebrity fans, including one Mr. David Hasselhoff, of tv's KnightRider and Baywatch fame? Here is chewing up a burger the way we chewed up the league en route to a 67-15 mark. I dare say the score on this one is David Hasselhoff 67, Burger 15:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/david_drunk2.jpg

Aguirre, Wrath of God:

http://www.nba.com/media/history/dal_uni_02.jpg

[judaspriestess]

playing high school basketball makes one an authority on the sport? I would venture to say several of NBA and college coaches didn't play pro basketball, college, or even high school basketball.


do you have dyslexia? You keep twisting everything around. Thats the point, my dear armchair quaterback. You think you know so much more than someone who actually played the sport professionally? what a joke.

[judaspriestess]

I read nothing after that.

oooooooohhhhhh you got me there :sleep

[kps0001]

do you have dyslexia? You keep twisting everything around. Thats the point, my dear armchair quaterback. You think you know so much more than someone who actually played the sport professionally? what a joke.


apparently just retarded. maybe you are the one not really comprehending here.

When did I say I think I know more than someone who actually played professionally?

I keep asking for proof on things I am being called out for but yet I only get more accusations from people too quick to want to attack and call names.




..and honestly my daughter is retarded so I don't really take offense to the term but whatever makes you feel better buddy!!!!!!

[sunsbum]

oooooooohhhhhh you got me there :sleep


well, he didnt read your post and you still proceeded to reply so apparently he did.

[samikeyp]

I keep asking for proof on things I am being called out for but yet I only get more accusations from people too quick to want to attack and call names.

I understand that. A Suns fan said that he "knew 100%" without a doubt that Bruce Bowen goes into every game with the intent to injure. I asked what his proof was...he said "I know by just looking" I again asked for proof and he never re-posted.

[jmard5]

Guess you don't watch many games then do you? Especially your own team, either that or your blind.

:lol D'Antoni is the whiniest. I can't believe you are blind to that!

[sunsbum]

I understand that. A Suns fan said that he "knew 100%" without a doubt that Bruce Bowen goes into every game with the intent to injure. I asked what his proof was...he said "I know by just looking" I again asked for proof and he never re-posted.


link?

[samikeyp]

It wasn't you bro. I am looking as we speak.

[kps0001]

i think he was joking. If not I thought it was funny.

[Russ]

I read nothing after that.
Speaking of not reading, how's Amare's GED coming?

[ducks]

this has to be a classic thread with all these post in here

[Russ]

Speaking of not reading, how's Amare's GED coming?
That was cheap even by my standards! :elephant

[sunsbum]

It wasn't you bro. I am looking as we speak.

ok as long as it wasnt something we talked about earlier cause im pretty sure it wasnt me.

[nkdlunch]

Suns fans are still not dumber than Mav fans. But you gotta give'em credit. they are trying HARD.

[samikeyp]

No it actually happened but I should have provided a link before I said anything. My bad.

My point though is some people on both sides don't want to be objective.

[sunsbum]

Speaking of not reading, how's Amare's GED coming?

what kind of douche bag bothers to get a GED when he makes 15million a year.

[samikeyp]

No bum...it wasn't you.

[kps0001]

oooooooohhhhhh you got me there :sleep


you are pretty slow to pick up on things. I wasn't trying to "get" you. The point was you totally discredit anything you say after a statement such as "well retard". Maybe you will learn this when you are done playing high school basketball.

[sunsbum]

Suns fans are still not dumber than Mav fans. But you gotta give'em credit. they are trying HARD.
:wakeup

[nkdlunch]

less than 2 days left!

[sunsbum]

No bum...it wasn't you.
:lol

[kps0001]

what kind of douche bag bothers to get a GED when he makes 15million a year.



thats funny.


He's right though Amare should get his GED because I sure he feels bad he isn't as smart as all the wisemen in the NBA.

[Russ]

what kind of douche bag bothers to get a GED when he makes 15million a year.
Well, you need something to fall back on.

[kps0001]

:wakeup


ah you beat me to it. I felt bad that nobody seems to pay any attention to nkdlunch and reply to his posts.










sorry that was uncalled for. :p:

[samikeyp]

I do find it comical that no matter what the team...there are just some fans that think their team does nothing wrong. There are Spurs fans I know that if Manu walked into the middle of the court and took a crap....they would say its no big deal...but if Nash or Dirk or Kobe did it...it would be grounds for a hanging. :lol

Objectivety(sp?) is the rarest thing in sports nowadays.

[kps0001]

Funniest thing I have seen in a while:




http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/nkdlunch/suns_gang.jpg




THE SONS??????

[samikeyp]

I still love the Nash face pic.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Damn it's official. Suns fans are the biggest bunch of whiners on this board. I thought Mav fans were, but 18 pages of this? This just takes the cake. And I thought they could bring something to the forum like some good intelligent b-ball talk. :wakeup

[kps0001]

I do find it comical that no matter what the team...there are just some fans that think their team does nothing wrong. There are Spurs fans I know that if Manu walked into the middle of the court and took a crap....they would say its no big deal...but if Nash or Dirk or Kobe did it...it would be grounds for a hanging. :lol

Objectivety(sp?) is the rarest thing in sports nowadays.


I like the way you think.



Bowen, dirty player and all,
:p:

I would love to have on "THE SONS"

[samikeyp]

Most of the Suns fans here have been pretty cool.

You can't lump all of them together.

[timvp]

:lmao

Just got a picture from a different angle showing that all Bowen did was step on the back of Amare's shoe. Let's see if I can post it . . .

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Most of the Suns fans here have been pretty cool.

You can't lump all of them together.
Well the ones that are posting in this thread at least.

[FromWayDowntown]

I do find it comical that no matter what the team...there are just some fans that think their team does nothing wrong. There are Spurs fans I know that if Manu walked into the middle of the court and took a crap....they would say its no big deal...but if Nash or Dirk or Kobe did it...it would be grounds for a hanging. :lol

Objectivety(sp?) is the rarest thing in sports nowadays.

Objectivity, mikey.

I agree with that as a sort of intrinsic problem with professional sports these days. It's almost cliched now that when a team loses, it's reasonable to expect that coaches/players/owners will blame officiating or something like that, rather than accepting the fact that the team simply didn't play well enough to win. Remarkably enough, not every team that loses gets screwed by officials -- though it would be hard to tell many nights during the NBA playoffs. Fans do the same thing, whether it's with respect to the causes of losses or the view of things that players do on and off the court. There are certainly exceptions, but they are few and far between.

[kps0001]

I still love the Nash face pic.


I will be honest. I was making fun of some of the photoshop jobs by some of the fans here but I take it back. I have seen some great ones tonight.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao

Just got a picture from a different angle showing that all Bowen did was step on the back of Amare's shoe. Let's see if I can post it . . .


i saw that picture, please post it so these people shut up.

[samikeyp]

Objectivity, mikey.

Thank you. :)

[Russ]

:lmao

Just got a picture from a different angle showing that all Bowen did was step on the back of Amare's shoe. Let's see if I can post it . . .

Bowen's shoe company put him up to it.

[timvp]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg

:lmao

How is this even news?

Bowen stepped on the back of Stoudemire's shoe. You don't "kick" someone with your heel still on the ground. That first angle everyone looked at was inconclusive.

With this angle, you can see that all Bowen is guilty of is stepping on Stoudemire's shoe. Unless he went with the viscous kick-with-your-heel-on-the-ground technique.

:rollin

[sunsbum]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg

:lmao

How is this even news?

Bowen stepped on the back of Amare's shoe. You don't "kick" someone with your heel still on the ground. That first angle everyone looked at was inconclusive.

With this angle, you can see that all Bowen is guilty of is stepping on Amare's shoe. Unless he went with the viscous kick-with-your-heel-on-the-ground technique.

:rollin


so one frame just clears it all up then i guess
:rolleyes

[Borosai]

I will be honest. I was making fun of some of the photoshop jobs by some of the fans here but I take it back. I have seen some great ones tonight.

You want to make love to my sig, don't you? Just make sure you get Bell right between the eyes and wash your hands when you're done.

[nkdlunch]

OMG the fact that ppl are going through lengths with that videoclips is pretty sad.

[timvp]

so one frame just clears it all up then i guess
:rolleyes

Head Up + Heel on the ground = Nothing

[Trainwreck2100]

so one frame just clears it all up then i guess
:rolleyes


Like he said, how can you kick someone with your heel.

[LilMissSPURfect]

You want to make love to my sig, don't you? Just make sure you get Bell right between the eyes and wash your hands when you're done.








:drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk
















:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[kps0001]

You want to make love to my sig, don't you? Just make sure you get Bell right between the eyes and wash your hands when you're done.


Definitely. One of the best I have ever seen. Well done.

[bonesinaz]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA051007.bowenstoudemire.57ad2582.html
Spurs: Stoudemire says Bowen tried to hurt him

Web Posted: 05/10/2007 08:18 PM CDT

Mike Monroe
Express-News Staff Writer

PHOENIX -- Phoenix Suns All-NBA center Amare Stoudemire on Thursday accused Spurs forward Bruce Bowen of intentionally trying to injure him during Game 2 of their Western Conference semifinal series.

Stoudemire said Bowen kicked him in the back of his leg as he went up for a dunk with 10:23 remaining in the fourth quarter of the Suns’ 101-81 victory Tuesday night at U.S. Airways Center.

“He’s going to get somebody injured out there,” Stoudemire said. “He has a don’t-care type of attitude and it showed in Game 2 when he kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles. I almost came down wrong and caused an injury.

“He’s known for doing it. I just hope the NBA and the Commissioner (David Stern) will take a look at that.
"It's definitely a dirty play, and that's something we don't need. We don't need dirty players out there purposely trying to injure someone."



In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

I will give this a re-post.

[jmard5]

so one frame just clears it all up then i guess
:rolleyes

EXACTLY. Just one frame. One picture that speaks a thousand words!

Length of time for the truth to sink in > length of time of the kicking clip = :lol

[bonesinaz]

Speaking of not reading, how's Amare's GED coming?
:lol

[ShoogarBear]

Well, at least the argument about who has the whiniest player has been settled once and for all time.

[747]

Speaking of not reading, how's Amare's GED coming?

Reports from Phoenix are that it is not coming real well. He has been stuck on "Dunking on the Spurs Best Defender 101" for the past 3 days.

The funny thing is, that all Phoenix cares about is some weak kick to the ankle, when the real story is the fact that Bruce Bowen has lost a step...or three.

Amare, and his surgically repaired stick, smoked by Bowen, whose only assignment was to cover that space.

Dont get me started though. I'm still pissed at Bowen for these fricking gas prices. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

including at a Division 1 college. :lmao :lmao

[LilMissSPURfect]

Well, at least the argument about who has the whiniest player has been settled once and for all time.


:tu

[itzsoweezee]

so one frame just clears it all up then i guess
:rolleyes


you fucking whiny bitches. even when it's clear as day you idiots are still going to bitch. just stfu and watch your team get steamrolled in the second round (as usual).

[FromWayDowntown]

:lmao :lmao

Now now. I did play against a few guys who reached the NFL. My squad sucked, but it was D-1 . . . or at least 1-AA.

[Russ]

Dont get me started though. I'm still pissed at Bowen for these fricking gas prices. :lol

And Global Warming, too. Al Gore has a whole chapter on Bowen.

And yet Stu Jackson sits on his hands. :bang

[sunsbum]

you fucking whiny bitches. even when it's clear as day you idiots are still going to bitch. just stfu and watch your team get steamrolled in the second round (as usual).

so youre telling me, i read one page of a book im going to get whole story?

kindly - blow me.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I just saw LJ's pic and I refuse to go back across this whole thread.

So basically, Amare is saying the Spurs are dirty...Spurs fans and Suns fans are calling each other every name in the book and so on, right?

Do I even need to consider reading this whole thing?

[timvp]

In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

That's BS.

Bowen shouldv'e have been forced to pay for the scuff on the back of Amare's shoe.

[Kori Ellis]

I just saw LJ's pic and I refuse to go back across this whole thread.

So basically, Amare is saying the Spurs are dirty...Spurs fans and Suns fans are calling each other every name in the book and so on, right?

Do I even need to consider reading this whole thing?

No.

You just need to read this line ...
In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

No.

You just need to read this line ...
In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

I can always count on Kori.

Thanks!

[dbreiden83080]

No.

You just need to read this line ...
In fact, NBA senior executive vice-president for basketball operations Stu Jackson reviewed videotape of the play and determined that no disciplinary action against Bowen was warranted.

Exactly and the rest is Amare talking shit about the Spurs and i expect a fierce effort from the Spurs in game 3 moreso than ever now.

[ShoogarBear]

I just saw LJ's pic and I refuse to go back across this whole thread.

So basically, Amare is saying the Spurs are dirty...Spurs fans and Suns fans are calling each other every name in the book and so on, right?

Do I even need to consider reading this whole thing?Well, there's some stuff you wouldn't want to miss, like this:


I did play against a few guys who reached the NFL.
I would guess Wayne Chrebet, except FWD played O-line.

[ShoogarBear]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/wally_szczerbiak-arton21206-240x240.jpg



"You think that was a kick from Bruce Bowen?"

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Nbadan]

Too many past incidences with Bowen for this to just be accidental. Pop needs to crack down on this shit right now, even if the NBA won't.

[lefty]

http://datznasty.freepgs.com/bowen2.jpg

[Jeremy]

To really put this shit to bed, watch the video again. Bruce does appear to kick Amare, but, if you look closely, Bruce NEVER LOOKS DOWN. I guess he has incredible aim.

I didn't read all the replies, but look at the video again.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU

Bowen glances down at Amare's leg right before he kicks him. His head is pointed down between about the 33 to 36 second mark--and he looked right towards Amare's leg right when kicking him.

[flipcritic]

Amare is entitled to his opinion. But he should know better than to come out to the media to vent his frustrations. All NBA players have "dirty" tricks up their sleeves. It's part of the game. Rather than whine about it in public, why not just take it like a man and give some back? The last thing he needs to do is give the Spurs more of a reason to beat the Suns down.

[kps0001]

I was looking for a video or pic of Raja kicking Bargnani in the nuts and came across a thread on raptorschat and some fans were asking if Raja was trying to be like Bowen.


No point really just kinda made me chuckle after reading everyone defending their players as not dirty to hear another party state it.

[Nbadan]

Yeah, there's no defense for trying to intentionally injure a player from another team. Spur fans sure as hell wouldn't like it. Getting your feet wrapped up with another player while guarding him is one thing (like the Bowen-Vince Carter incident), but this is just malice by Bowen.

[Xylus]

I agree and disagree with Amare's comments:

1. Bowen does some dirty things sometimes. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. Bowen's Achilles kick was uncalled for and could have caused Amare some unfortunate injury.

2. The Spurs are not a dirty team. Manu and Bowen do some questionable things, but that doesn't make the whole team dirty. I doubt Pop tells his guys in practice, "Alright guys, listen up. We gotta try and take Amare out of the game, so do whatever you need to do...just make it look subtle."

[milkyway21]

Amare shouts it to the whole world Bruce is already deaf on issues about how dirty he is in the playoffs.

Cuban used the language last yr and now the Suns?

they just want the refs to watch Bruce more closely and be in foul trouble so they can win the game.
I'm kind of losing respect on Amare because he now acts so immature and losing respect of the game and of his opponents. :p:

:STFU already. As if he's a victim.

He just execute and end all the blah :blah blah :blah

[spurdude]

:elephant :elephant
Suns Suck. Amare is just a cry baby. Spurs Rok! Yes, we play with an edge, it's called the winning edge. We take our lumps like all the other teams and if we can get away with a little punch to the face, foot under a shooter, kick to the back of the ankle, etc.... we're going to do it like any other team! All teams play dirty. The difference is we don't whine like little girls about it! I see so much shit that Bowen gets away with, it's just awesome! Bruce take those assholes out in 5 games will you. I don't care if Amare ever walks again. Chump just needs an excuse as they are going to loose!!!!! Go Spurs!

[milkyway21]

:elephant :elephant
Suns Suck. Amare is just a cry baby. Spurs Rok! Yes, we play with an edge, it's called the winning edge. We take our lumps like all the other teams and if we can get away with a little punch to the face, foot under a shooter, kick to the back of the ankle, etc.... we're going to do it like any other team! All teams play dirty. The difference is we don't whine like little girls about it! I see so much shit that Bowen gets away with, it's just awesome! Bruce take those assholes out in 5 games will you. I don't care if Amare ever walks again. Chump just needs an excuse as they are going to loose!!!!! Go Spurs!

If i can only watch the Spurs at AT&T live, I'd bring a big big sign : AMARE IS A CRYBABY :cry so he'll know it's time for him to stop all the :blah. Enough already. :pctoss

[Nbadan]

The Spurs are not a dirty team. Manu and Bowen do some questionable things, but that doesn't make the whole team dirty. I doubt Pop tells his guys in practice, "Alright guys, listen up. We gotta try and take Amare out of the game, so do whatever you need to do...just make it look subtle."

Nah it's nothing like that. Players like Bowen just get caught up in the over-competitiveness of the situation. He was slow on the defensive switch, got burned and reacted negatively. Still, If this were a criminal situation we would have to take intent into account. I'm not sure the NBA front office did that, or I would like to see their reasoning why they thought different.

[spurdude]

:elephant Suns Suck. Amare is just a cry baby. Spurs Rok! Yes, we play with an edge, it's called the winning edge. We take our lumps like all the other teams and if we can get away with a little punch to the face, foot under a shooter, kick to the back of the ankle, etc.... we're going to do it like any other team! All teams play dirty. The difference is we don't whine like little girls about it! I see so much shit that Bowen gets away with, it's just awesome! Bruce take those assholes out in 5 games will you. I don't care if Amare ever walks again. Chump just needs an excuse as they are going to loose!!!!! Go Spurs! :elephant

[bobbyjoe]

every great defender has been called dirty

Name me one person on Earth who called Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, or Gary Payton dirty?

How about MJ? How about Pippen? How about Tim Duncan? Duncan is a great defender. Does Duncan have to resort to bushleague pussy moves like undercutting Stoudemire, Shaq, Boozer, KG, etc or does he just beat them with straight up solid defense.

The every great defender was dirty is utter, utter garbage. Was Bill Russell, widely considered the greatest defender ever, called dirty by even one person?

What Bowen does is reprehensible. Consistently undercutting players with awkward and clearly intentional kicks and sticking out of the feet is not basketball. It's just being a bitch and a coward.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I laughed when Manu held Amare by the legs.

Though Manu's not dirty like Bowen's perceived to be.

I don't really notice Bowen intentionally looking to take out players or whatevere, but he does defend with his legs, so maybe other team's fans don't like that.

[Nbadan]

What Bowen does is reprehensible. Consistently undercutting players with awkward and clearly intentional kicks and sticking out of the feet is not basketball. It's just being a bitch and a coward.

When you play D like Bowen you're gonna get you're feet tied up with the other player a lot, besides under-cutting players is already a flagrant and the league office didn't think it was warranted yet, but they will keep a closer eye on it.

[timvp]

Name me one person on Earth who called Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, or Gary Payton dirty?

How about MJ? How about Pippen? How about Tim Duncan? Duncan is a great defender. Does Duncan have to resort to bushleague pussy moves like undercutting Stoudemire, Shaq, Boozer, KG, etc or does he just beat them with straight up solid defense.

The every great defender was dirty is utter, utter garbage. Was Bill Russell, widely considered the greatest defender ever, called dirty by even one person?

What Bowen does is reprehensible. Consistently undercutting players with awkward and clearly intentional kicks and sticking out of the feet is not basketball. It's just being a bitch and a coward.

:jack

Yet Kobe has no problem with him.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

And Kobe's been accused of being 'dirty' as well.