Stoudemire calls Spurs 'dirty' (Bruce & Manu)

[Nbadan]

Shit, eva since Kobe slap the shit out of Manu, he ain't been the same. I blame time-warner.

[bdictjames]

I laughed when Manu held Amare by the legs.

Though Manu's not dirty like Bowen's perceived to be.

I don't really notice Bowen intentionally looking to take out players or whatevere, but he does defend with his legs, so maybe other team's fans don't like that.
Reminds me of 2005 as well. Everyone was diving for the loose ball, but when you see the replay Steven Hunter couldnt move because Nazr held his foot. (Nazr was at the ground that time, I think the ball got out of his hands)

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Spurs have some dirty players, big deal. The sooner some of you fans learn to deal with it, the less time you will have to spend trying to defend their actions :lol

I learned to accept the 'thuggets' tag for the Nuggets a long time ago. NBA players should just man up and respond in their own way when someone does something to them. I was all for Reggie Evans getting smacked in the head by Kaman after the nut grabbing incident (althiough caveman restrained himself and didn't retaliate, i wish he had). If you want to be 'dirty' then you have to be prepared to be roughed up. Quit crying to the media Amare!

They just need Raja (or someone else) to bang up Bruce/Manu and then call it even. The game has gotten way too soft these days.

[bobbyjoe]

When you play D like Bowen you're gonna get you're feet tied up with the other player a lot, besides under-cutting players is already a flagrant and the league office didn't think it was warranted yet, but they will keep a closer eye on it.

Sliding your foot under a jump shooter so that when he shoots a jumpshot, going straight up and down, he lands on your foot is not Defense.

That's being a coward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlJ8v9COKT4&NR=1

You'd have a better chance selling me on OJ's innocence than of selling Bowen's innocence.

Sure after the first one, 2, 5, maybe 10 times you can keep calling it an accident.

After the 101th time, it's pretty clear what the intention is. I mean Bowen does a wild footswipe at Stoudemire. How is that "defense?"

On an ESPN NBA forum, they had a poll about the foul and 93% of NBA fans thought it was intentional. It doesn't get more blatant than this.

Can you tell me about the times David Robinson undercut people and injured their ankles, knees, etc? How many times was David Robinson accused of being dirty or kicking people and trying to hurt them?

[Gerryatrics]

In my opinion, Bruce Bowen is a dirty player. There is no excuse for intentionally trying to injure another player, and that's something I feel Bowen has tried to do multiple times in the past. I don't think it's "good hard defense", I don't think it's being "overly competitive" and I don't think it has any place in basketball. I don't feel that the entire Spurs organization is dirty, but they have definitely turned a blind eye to Bowen's special brand of "defense". I'd rather the league step in and suspend Bowen than see a player from any team go down with a serious injury because Bowen's foot just happens to be under theirs when they come down from a jumper. I don't buy any of the excuses about Bowen kicking Stoudemire's Achilles Tendon either, that wouldn't even be tolerated in soccer and that's a game that revolves around kicking. I just don't like that type of play.

[RonMexico]

Facts:

(1) Bowen kicked him on purpose like he kicked Ray Allen in the back on purpose.

(2) I'm coming back from China on Friday at 10 p.m. which means I'm getting back just as Amare takes this series to a whole new level by talking shit.

[flipcritic]

In my opinion, Bruce Bowen is a dirty player. There is no excuse for intentionally trying to injure another player, and that's something I feel Bowen has tried to do multiple times in the past. I don't think it's "good hard defense", I don't think it's being "overly competitive" and I don't think it has any place in basketball. I don't feel that the entire Spurs organization is dirty, but they have definitely turned a blind eye to Bowen's special brand of "defense". I'd rather the league step in and suspend Bowen than see a player from any team go down with a serious injury because Bowen's foot just happens to be under theirs when they come down from a jumper. I don't buy any of the excuses about Bowen kicking Stoudemire's Achilles Tendon either, that wouldn't even be tolerated in soccer and that's a game that revolves around kicking. I just don't like that type of play.


Facts:

(1) Bowen kicked him on purpose like he kicked Ray Allen in the back on purpose.

(2) I'm coming back from China on Friday at 10 p.m. which means I'm getting back just as Amare takes this series to a whole new level by talking shit.

:violin

[Capt Bringdown]

I didn't read all the replies, but look at the video again.
Bowen glances down at Amare's leg right before he kicks him. His head is pointed down between about the 33 to 36 second mark--and he looked right towards Amare's leg right when kicking him.

Yup, that's what I saw as well. I'm disgusted, kicking someone from behind has got to be one of dirtiest moves out there. Especially in this context, where the Spurs were getting their asses kicked, what a cheap shot.
I think us Spurs fans have a blind spot when it comes to Bowen's antics.

Kinda feels like the Spurs have gave up a lot of momentum in the last game. These kind of things tend to fire up the opposition rather than us, because we're clearly in the wrong.
The next game will go a long way in determining whether or not we've got the real stuff in this playoff run. Look at the way Detroit's comin' on.
You want to moving forward in the playoffs, getting better as each series goes along. We took a big step back in game 2.

[Supergirl]

Give me break. Amare crying about anyone else is fucking ridiculous, when I watched Game 1 and 2, and he spent the whole damn game pulling on Tim, hanging onto Tim, and his team mates hacking Parker and Manu to the floor every time they tried to cut. Their moves are as dirty as ANYTHING Bowen did.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

To really put this shit to bed, watch the video again. Bruce does appear to kick Amare, but, if you look closely, Bruce NEVER LOOKS DOWN. I guess he has incredible aim.


The real reason Bruces right leg moves toward Amare is because Bruce is trying to stop his forward momentum. He doesn't want to foul Amare on an obvious dunk. Have you ever run sprints from baseline to baseline? How do you stop yourself and get ready to run the other direction? You do what Bruce did in this video.
Exactly. Finally, some one else with eyes to see. i posted the same take jn the other thread with no response.

Amare is just making himself look stupid and whiny.

Compare this to Manu's reaction to getting busted in the chops by Kobe. "No it was just a basketball play. He should not have been suspended."

That is a man's reaction.

[powerpower]

Exactly. Finally, some one else with eyes to see. i posted the same take jn the other thread with no response.

Amare is just making himself look stupid and whiny.

Compare this to Manu's reaction to getting busted in the chops by Kobe. "No it was just a basketball play. He should not have been suspended."

That is a man's reaction.


EXCELENT!!!

May be amare can learn this from manu :toast

[samikeyp]

I agree and disagree with Amare's comments:

1. Bowen does some dirty things sometimes. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. Bowen's Achilles kick was uncalled for and could have caused Amare some unfortunate injury.

2. The Spurs are not a dirty team. Manu and Bowen do some questionable things, but that doesn't make the whole team dirty. I doubt Pop tells his guys in practice, "Alright guys, listen up. We gotta try and take Amare out of the game, so do whatever you need to do...just make it look subtle."

Exactly. Good post.


(1) Bowen kicked him on purpose like he kicked Ray Allen in the back on purpose.

(2) I'm coming back from China on Friday at 10 p.m. which means I'm getting back just as Amare takes this series to a whole new level by talking shit.

Actually the first one is partially opinion...he did kick Amare but without being inside Bowen's head (and its a big one so there is room :)) we cannot determine 100% accurately if it was intentional. We can theorize it was or wasn't but we do not know for sure.

As far as the second one...have a good flight. :tu

[sammy]

This idiot has the IQ of a Zero! What an idiot! This crap offers motiviation to crush these bastards three straight games and send them fishing!

[ambchang]

i would love to read that, enter key does wonders.
Thanks for proving to me about your incredibly short attention span, and finding things at surface value rather than doing any in depth analysis.
Even better, you take pride in being ignorant.
BTW, enter key was used in the post, but that's just one of the many incorrect opinions to facts arguments you have used in this thread.

[Testing]

Bad call by Amare...especially considering even his teammates and coach seem reluctant to back him up on this. You don't hear Ginobili complaining about what should clearly have been a flagarant foul by Bell in game 1 when he hit him uneccaciarly on the head. Or the time Bell clotheslined Kobe, very dangerous I might add. If his own teammate uses what Amare thinks of as "dirty" tactics how can you call the Spurs a dirty team? He should let his game do the talking...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Poor Amare... Spurs dirty? How mnay players have been suspended by the NBA Amare? You big cry baby. You making 10 + million a bucks a year and your pussy hurts. Thanks for the bulletin board material..

[ambchang]

His back was to the play when it happened?
I just realized I have super-human senses, because I can tell that I got kicked with my back turned AND without looking at tape.
Sorry guys, I gotta go out and fight crime now.

[T Park]

I seriously can't believe there is a Spurs fan who thinks it was a kick?

Mikey, WTF, do you purposley agree with the other side in your attempt at world wide "objectiveness?"

I just saw the video now, and it wasn't a friggen kick, it was a going for the ankle, as Kori and others have said before, Bowen doesnt intentionally or try to hurt people, so all this BS is just that...

[powerpower]

ATTENTION Bruce and Manu ""Take a Shower because The Special AMARE can't play with dirty players"!

[SAGambler]

No kidding. That Canadian point guard is quite intimidating. :lol


That hard foul that Raja gave Manu in game one is 100 times worse than getting grazed by Bruce's toe. But Manu's not a big puss, so he didn't make a stink over it. In fact, Manu gets HAMMERED and usually just gets back up and brushes himself off.


Amare just made the NBA All-Puss team

Amare
Dirk
Vince Carter
Ray Allen


It's probably that you aren't considered a "star" in the NBA until you have publicly complained about Bruce Bowen..

Get a life Amare......If Bowen had meant to kick you, don't you think his best shot would have be to the right leg and not some awkward crossover? And how many people "try to kick" you with them falling backward? If he is going to do it on purpose, he is going to put some power into it.

In fact, I'm not even sure he touched his "left" leg at all.....Not even sure he touched either one of them. When I first watched the video, it looked possible he may have clipped his "right" heel, but even that was iffy.

[jmard5]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg

Do people just post without reading this thread? Those who "whine" that Bowen kicked/slid his foot at Amare, do look at this picture again.

Yeah, right. Kicking my ass. Even Stu Jackson announced that Bowen is innocent.

[Slippy]

This coming from the guy that as soon as he hits the floor cries like a baby suffering a nappy rash. We saw this in 05 and we seeing it now. Its a tired act. Just get up and play you bitch.

You would of thought playing along-side Steve Nash, Amare would learn a thing or two about hard-nosed play-off basketball.

[samikeyp]

Mikey, WTF, do you purposley agree with the other side in your attempt at world wide "objectiveness?"

No I was just voicing an opinion just like you do. I am not going to agree with someone just because they think I should.

[spursfan09]

Bruce is in Amare's head. He has done his job well!

[Amare_32]

Who cares! This is getting old. Let the games speak for themselves.

[LilMissSPURfect]

I think Amare should b suspended for bringing Disingenuous (<---cool word i learnt )crap to the game! You can't just accuse and scream murder and get away with it..... (ok u can........(its called getting BOWEND)

[samikeyp]

I think Amare should b suspended for bringing Disingenuous (<---cool word i learnt )crap to the game! You can't just accuse and scream murder and get away with it..... (ok u can........(its called getting BOWEND)

That's one of them there fancy 75 cent words! :)

[LilMissSPURfect]

That's one of them there fancy 75 cent words! :)

75 cent? whatchatalkinboutwillis? say it aint so? they said i would owe that student loan for the rest of my life
:oops :lol

[longrod]

I watched/listened this discussion on various programs last night. The bottom line is that all the (non-Phoenix) NBA guys seem to think that:

1. Bowen is a great defender

2. Stoudemire is a whiner, and a rather stupid one at that

I'm satisfied with that.


Oh, by the way, if anyone gets sent to prison for beating up those morons Vexler and Pasacrita, I'll bring you cookies and milk every Friday. Not that I'm condoning such a violent act or anything.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

I think Amare should b suspended for bringing Disingenuous (<---cool word i learnt )crap to the game! You can't just accuse and scream murder and get away with it..... (ok u can........(its called getting BOWEND)

"Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a 20-dollar whore."

-- Slim Pickens as Taggart, "Blazing Saddles"

[samikeyp]

"Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a 20-dollar whore."

-- Slim Pickens as Taggart, "Blazing Saddles"

:lmao :lmao :lmao

"What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?" :)

[DarrinS]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg



Amare is lucky he wasn't paralyzed from this vicious attack.


Any Suns fans that still complains after seeing this photo is just a douchebag homer.

[sabar]

:lmao

What a whiner. Manu gets popped by Kobe earlier in the season and actually defends him. Amare barely gets grazed by a foot touching his shoe and he goes whine to the media.

[ambchang]

Amare is lucky he wasn't paralyzed from this vicious attack.


Any Suns fans that still complains after seeing this photo is just a douchebag homer.
Apparently, anybody who still complains after seeing the video from youtube is just a douchebag homer, but that didn't stop them.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant expect anything else from a suns player

[cheguevara]

LMAO

Whiny Sun fans were :owned in this thread!!!

look a the fucking pic, you fuckers!!

[L.I.T]

What nobody realizes is that Bowen went all James Bond and had a retractable Achilles snipper in his shoe. Tricky bastard.

[mullet]

what a fucking bitch to complain like that. bowen is notoriously clumsy with shit like that. he tried to get to the play and stopped short when amare threw down that dunk and his legs flared out. it wasnt on purpose at all. it was him trying to stop from being dunked on head. what a cry baby bitch

[samikeyp]

What nobody realizes is that Bowen went all James Bond and had a retractable Achilles snipper in his shoe. Tricky bastard.

"Bowen....Bruce Bowen"

:lol

[diego]

bowen is not a saint, but accidents happen. people always say there is this huge history with bruce, but really there have been a grand total of 5 incidents (over 700+ games), 3 of which involve tough guys vince and ray allen. francis and crawford both said it was just an accident, and guys like kobe and tmac say bruce just plays hard.

fans just love to hate bruce and will blame him for anything. a guy could twist an ankle in another state and it will be bruce's fault. those people thinking that bowen turned and decided to sever amare's achilles tendon using his toe in 2 seconds have never played basketball before. its just bowen trying to cover and pulling back because he was late. In fact, the so called evidence video clearly show bowen removing his foot from amare's landing space, but of course the haters argue bowen was going for the severed tendon instead of his usual broken ankle (again, in fact, the only injuries caused by bruce have been 3 mild ankle sprains, vince missed a month and a half, which he exaggerated to "half a season," and francis was out like 10 days- ray for all his crying missed less than half a game because of bruce bowen fouling him) and yet people act like bowen has cut people's careers short.

i challenge all the "its so obvious he does it again and again" people to find more than 6 months worth of injuries over as many seasons and as many players as they like, so long as they are caused by bruce bowen. good luck!

ps: might as well end the thread here because the whiners will never take the time to find that evidence, they will just continue to post the same crap... "he does it all the time, vince, allen, francis, crawford, ... , etc , uh, Amare, ... , did i say etc all ready?"

[DarrinS]

Tell Mr. Stoudemire to give me a call. He deserves to be compensated for his pain and suffering.

http://www.waynewright.com/images/splash_03.jpg

[Wayne Wright L.L.P.]

^^^

The Spurs dee-serve justice, so weeee Dee-mand it! :tu

[VaSpursFan]

amare the vagina. wow...this guy is a specimen, he should just suck it up and ball.

he's bitching about a non issue and manu holding his leg. holding goes on all the time. a foul is not a foul unless the ref sees it. he should know that. when you play in the paint there is all sorts of holding and grabbing going on. refs could call fouls every time down the floor if they wanted too.

i hope we blow their winy asses out for the next 2 games....da fuck

[ambchang]

Sure someone is dirty and a coward for pulling sneaky crap, just that it wasn't Bowen, but all those people who disappeared after getting owned with evidence showing Bowen was innocent all along, instead of jumping in and own up.
Now get ready of the wave of people coming in and say that it was just a joke to rile up the Spurs fans.

[nkdlunch]

Amare, even your coach D'antoni thinks you're a moron:
"The league's going to look at it and they're going to examine past tendencies and stuff," he said. "I have no idea what Bruce Bowen does. I don't really care. I don't want to get into it because it's so minimal that it's no big deal. It really isn't."

[kps0001]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/nkdlunch/suns_gang9.jpg


Will you fix that already? NO actually don't because it still makes me laugh everytime you post and it takes attention away from your god awful avatar.

[tlongII]

I can't stand Bowen! He gets away with more grabbing and holding than anyone in the league. You can tell in the video that he is doing something unnatural with his foot. I can't believe the league lets him do that shit.

[kps0001]

Amaré throws gas on flames of series

Dan Bickley
The Arizona Republic
May. 11, 2007 12:00 AM
This volatile dance with the Spurs has (a) drawn blood; (b) made the trainer a lead story; and (c) forced Mike D'Antoni to hit the brakes on his celebrated system.

Now comes the hard foul.

"I think the Spurs are a dirty team," Amaré Stoudemire said.




How interesting.

"(Manu) Ginobili, during the regular season, he kneed me in the crotch on purpose," Stoudemire added.

As you've probably heard by now, the mouth has roared again. Stoudemire torched the Spurs' Bruce Bowen like flaming cheese after Thursday's practice, and then took a few swipes at Ginobili for good measure. And for the third time this postseason, the Suns star made his coaches cringe in unison.

If you thought San Antonio was a tough place to win before Stoudemire's verbal assault . . .

"I just think that Ginobili and Bruce Bowen are guys that are dirty, and it's not good for the game," Stoudemire said.

At issue is a play in the second half of Game 2, when Stoudemire had a free break to the basket and easy dunk awaiting after a gorgeous, no-look pass from Boris Diaw. Bowen comes from the backside late, and appears to kick at Stoudemire's lower legs as his opponent leaves the floor.

In real time, you'd never notice the tactic, the sign of a dirty player who truly understands his craft. But in superslow motion, you can see that it's an egregious act. And when you go watch it for yourself on Youtube, you'll be amazed at the number of video clips from other players who have taken great exception to Bowen's defense in the past.

"I've dunked on guys. I've been dunked on," Stoudemire said. "So I know how it is to play hard out there. That wasn't a case of someone playing hard. It was a case of trying to injure someone, plain and simple."

And to prove that Bowen has had no intention of playing basketball in this series, Stoudemire offered up this beauty: "Game 1, he was just out of control. I mean, Bruce Bowen's normally under control, but he ran directly into me. I said, 'Man, you're going to get somebody hurt out here. He was like, 'Shut up.' I was like, 'Man, I'm just giving you some cautions. You're going to get somebody hurt.' But he wasn't hearing it."

Whether Bowen deserved a one-game suspension hardly matters. It's the tough talk from Stoudemire, and whether calling out two key members of a championship outfit is a wise maneuver before the biggest weekend in recent memory. After all, the Suns need to win a game in San Antonio if they're to advance, and this saucy outburst will further charge an already rabid fan base.

For the record, D'Antoni said he had no problem with Bowen's play. And he took no responsibility for Stoudemire's words, either - "I can't make him not say it" - even though some precautionary advice may have been in order here. Stoudemire's attack surely was no accident, and probably designed to get the NBA's attention.

You can't have stars like me taken out by one-tool players like him.

While Stoudemire would usually be chided for his loose tongue at such a precarious time in franchise history, he was the guy who went through all that rehabilitation, not us. He was the one who came back from microfracture surgery to play in all 82 games this season, and the more you see that play in slow motion, the more you realize the potential danger.

Stoudemire watched the replay many, many times. And by the end, it had made him "very, very, very upset."

This much is certain: While some Spurs will be livid and others won't care, these inflammatory comments will put Stoudemire in the spotlight and on display, where he most always shines. It will make the referees pay closer attention to the contact level on Saturday, and that could actually benefit the Suns. And this airing out of the opponent has put Stoudemire's teammates on high alert, practically assuring that energy and focus won't be a problem in San Antonio.

Besides, Stoudemire once boldly predicted the Suns would dispatch the Lakers with relative ease. The coaches winced.

But Stoudemire hasn't let them down yet. And I prefer him - and the Suns - with attitude and a big side of nasty.



Reach Bickley at [email protected]

[DarrinS]

I can't stand Bowen! He gets away with more grabbing and holding than anyone in the league. You can tell in the video that he is doing something unnatural with his foot. I can't believe the league lets him do that shit.


Bruce is just doing his job. His job is to try to make shooters miss. What Bruce does is really no different than fans clapping bang sticks together to throw off a guy at the FT line.

[nkdlunch]

I can't stand Bowen!

An opposing fan saying this proves Bowen is doing his job. WELL DONE BRUCE!!!!

[DarrinS]

You can't have stars like me taken out by one-tool players like him.



Did Amare really say this? I'm starting to like this guy more and more. Man, not even Kobe is this much in love with himself.

[Supergirl]

Congratulations, Bruce. You are officially IN AMARE'S HEAD.

Welcome to the club, Amare. It's gettin' crowded in there, but I think Ray Allen might be looking to retire as president of the Bruce Bowen's In Your Head Club. Maybe you can take over.

[spursfan09]

Congratulations, Bruce. You are officially IN AMARE'S HEAD.

Welcome to the club, Amare. It's gettin' crowded in there, but I think Ray Allen might be looking to retire as president of the Bruce Bowen's In Your Head Club. Maybe you can take over.

:lol

[DePastino]

22 pages of this crap???

Look, Amare's a little hyper-sensitive about leg injuries right now - understandably. So cut him some slack.

With 4 days between games, stuff like this is bound to happen.

[Durruti]

You can't have stars like me taken out by one-tool players like him.

:lol

"While Stoudemire would usually be chided for his loose tongue at such a precarious time in franchise history, he was the guy who went through all that rehabilitation, not us. He was the one who came back from microfracture surgery to play in all 82 games this season, and the more you see that play in slow motion, the more you realize the potential danger.

Stoudemire watched the replay many, many times. And by the end, it had made him "very, very, very upset."

This much is certain: While some Spurs will be livid and others won't care, these inflammatory comments will put Stoudemire in the spotlight and on display, where he most always shines. "

careful what you wish for guys. STAT is indeed a raging egoist and trash talker. He commented before the Laker's series that they would be dispatched with relative ease. A stupid, stupid thing to say, yet Amare seemed to thrive on the negative attention that statement gave him. I guess we'll see tomorrow whether his comments were boneheaded or just the ticket. They don't call him "the Beast" for nothing, and we all know that angering beasts is not a very smart thing to do.

[kobe called him "that gorilla in the middle" :lol ]

[ambchang]

22 pages of this crap???

Look, Amare's a little hyper-sensitive about leg injuries right now - understandably. So cut him some slack.

With 4 days between games, stuff like this is bound to happen.
Cutting him some slack for defaming Bruce Bowen's and Manu Ginobili's name?
I would understand if there was at least some contact, but look at the videos and the pictures, there wasn't, and he went out and say people are dirty despite knowing full well that nothing has happened.
That, my friend, is the definition of being a coward.

[ambchang]

[kobe called him "that gorilla in the middle" :lol ]
Kobe was referring to his IQ.

[kps0001]

Did Amare really say this? I'm starting to like this guy more and more. Man, not even Kobe is this much in love with himself.

I don't think he said it. It isn't a direct quote in the article and it was in italics. I am no grammar guru but I think it is just a line from the author, Dan Bickley, I could be wrong though. I had to look at a few times and hoped it wasn't a quote from Amare.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Cutting him some slack for defaming Bruce Bowen's and Manu Ginobili's name?
I would understand if there was at least some contact, but look at the videos and the pictures, there wasn't, and he went out and say people are dirty despite knowing full well that nothing has happened.
That, my friend, is the definition of being a coward.

There was clearly contact. You can see when Bowen's foot makes contact with Amare's leg, and you can see that it hurt him in the awkward way that Amare goes up and the way he lands.

[sunsbum]

Amare is lucky he wasn't paralyzed from this vicious attack.


Any Suns fans that still complains after seeing this photo is just a douchebag homer.


so when you read one page of a book i guess you know the entire story right?

[DePastino]

Cutting him some slack for defaming Bruce Bowen's and Manu Ginobili's name?
I would understand if there was at least some contact, but look at the videos and the pictures, there wasn't, and he went out and say people are dirty despite knowing full well that nothing has happened.
That, my friend, is the definition of being a coward.

Coward my ass. If Bowen and Ginobili's play style is "gamesmanship", then so is this.

It's a shot across the bow, nothing more. I'd argue that 22 pages of pissing and moaning about it is just as "cowardly".

Defamation? Gimme a break.

I seriously doubt that Bowen and Ginobili are as worried about their own reps as you guys are.

[SirChaz]

Bowen stuck his foot out there but the contact was incidential.

If anything these "dirty tactics" smell of desperation.

You know the Spurs are in trouble when they start tripping, grabbing, and holding just to stay in the game.

[samikeyp]

I seriously doubt that Bowen and Ginobili are as worried about their own reps as you guys are.

You mean NBA players don't spend hours going over pages and pages internet posts? :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

Bowen stuck his foot out there but the contact was incidential.

If anything these "dirty tactics" smell of desperation.

You know the Spurs are in trouble when they start tripping, grabbing, and holding just to stay in the game.

Are Suns fans trying to convince themselves that their team holds the upper-hand in this series at this point?

I realize that a lot of things can change in either direction over this weekend, but looking at the situation objectively, I don't know that the Spurs have any reason to feel desperation at this point. They weren't competitive in Game 2, but that's a far cry from concluding that they have no chance to be competitive in the remainder of the series and are somehow looking for any minor advantage that they can get based on a desperation to stay in the series.

If one were to buy all of the "Bowen is always dirty" arguments, I guess one would have to conclude that he's been playing with desperation during the handful of regular season games that are always raised in attempting to prove the reputation. I'm not sure that Bowen gets that up or down about any regular season games at this point. If anything, the historical "proof" would seem to cut against this asinine "desperation" argument.

[hitmanyr2k]

Do people just post without reading this thread? Those who "whine" that Bowen kicked/slid his foot at Amare, do look at this picture again.



Are you really that stupid? Do you realize you're looking at one FRAME? Since when has one frame told the whole story :lol

Did you ever stop to think (doubt it) that this ONE frame is AFTER Amare got kicked? Some of the homers here are dumber than dirt. Seriously.

Let me use some Spurs homer dipshit logic....

Bruce Bowen never kicked Wally Z in the face. The proof is right here. Look at this ONE FRAME. Bowen's foot is nowhere near his face.....


http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/6663/brucewallyqd7.gif

[Jintonix]

Wow, looks at all these stubborn whiners!!! 22 pages of useless whining refutes against a player. So tell me, who’s really whining??? My goodness! Look Bowen is a great defender no doubt about it, but his intensity gets the best of him and results him in intentional fouls that could lead to severe injuries. Of course his attempts never severely injured anyone to the point of ending a player’s career, but you have to understand the extent of his actions that could undoubtedly result in that situation. Does Amare have the right to say what he had to say?? Sure. Does it make him a whiner? Maybe. But lets look at it from this perspective, and you Spurs fans can stop being so hypocritical with your ever so annoying complaints. Amare has every right to be extra cautious about his legs considering he had two knee surgeries, he voiced his concern which should be said because Bowen has a certain reputation for his style of play which includes kicking his feet out so much (Ray Allen, Carter, etc). Maybe some are intentional (like Ray Allen’s incident or possibly Amares) or unintentional (like Carter’s incident or again possibly Amares), but who knows for sure. All I know is judging from past experiences from watching this guy play that he needs to be closely watched. Now would this happen to any of the Spurs players, you would feel the same way. Take for example Raja doing the same thing against Duncan. Amare expressed his views to the media and to the NBA to watch out for him simply because he feels that no one should deserve a career ending blow from a pesky player like Bowen, especially a player who came back strong from two knee surgeries.

[hater]

Fuck the gay suns fans. I predict they will be MIA after game 3. bitches.

[FromWayDowntown]

Wow, looks at all these stubborn whiners!!! 22 pages of useless whining refutes against a player. So tell me, who’s really whining??? My goodness! Look Bowen is a great defender no doubt about it, but his intensity gets the best of him and results him in intentional fouls that could lead to severe injuries. Of course his attempts never severely injured anyone to the point of ending a player’s career, but you have to understand the extent of his actions that could undoubtedly result in that situation. Does Amare have the right to say what he had to say?? Sure. Does it make him a whiner? Maybe. But lets look at it from this perspective, and you Spurs fans can stop being so hypocritical with your ever so annoying complaints. Amare has every right to be extra cautious about his legs considering he had two knee surgeries, he voiced his concern which should be said because Bowen has a certain reputation for his style of play which includes kicking his feet out so much (Ray Allen, Carter, etc). Maybe some are intentional (like Ray Allen’s incident or possibly Amares) or unintentional (like Carter’s incident or again possibly Amares), but who knows for sure. All I know is judging from past experiences from watching this guy play that he needs to be closely watched. Now would this happen to any of the Spurs players, you would feel the same way. Take for example Raja doing the same thing against Duncan. Amare expressed his views to the media and to the NBA to watch out for him simply because he feels that no one should deserve a career ending blow from a pesky player like Bowen, especially a player who came back strong from two knee surgeries.

Trust me, if Bowen did anything that intentionally hurt Amare, the consequences would be severe.

Who elected Amare Stoudemire to be the sheriff of the floor? If he thought it was a problem, raise it to the league -- and not through the media -- and let the league take whatever action it deems necessary. Why isn't that enough? I actually find it amusing that so many of the NBA talking heads have spent the last 24 hours explaining how out of line Amare was with this complaint.

And, remarkably, like so many other "incidents" involving Bruce Bowen, the league felt that no disciplinary action was necessary. Again, I find it hard to believe that the league would have any particular interest in protecting Bruce Bowen and ignoring the valid complaints of its superstars.

[sunsbum]

Trust me, if Bowen did anything that intentionally hurt Amare, the consequences would be severe.

Who elected Amare Stoudemire to be the sheriff of the floor? If he thought it was a problem, raise it to the league -- and not through the media -- and let the league take whatever action it deems necessary. Why isn't that enough? I actually find it amusing that so many of the NBA talking heads have spent the last 24 hours explaining how out of line Amare was with this complaint.

And, remarkably, like so many other "incidents" involving Bruce Bowen, the league felt that no disciplinary action was necessary. Again, I find it hard to believe that the league would have any particular interest in protecting Bruce Bowen and ignoring the valid complaints of its superstars.

sheriff of the floor? the guy just came back from being out of basketball for an entire year. hes obviously looking out for his own well being.. how selfish of him.

[Durruti]

If a Suns player is injured during this series by Bowen, it's on Stern's head. There have been dozens of examples of this Bowen creep trying to undercut players to take them out. The league has had ample opportunities to send this guy packing. Bowen is indeed a wily mofo. Tough guys make a point of sending a message. Bowen does it on the sly. Like Duncan after a blatant foul he throws up his arms in disbelief. He's like Sylveser caught with tweety in his maw. As a longtime NBA fan, he's the dirtiest, most despicable player I've ever seen.

If STAT or Steve get injured by Bowen, Stern should be fired.

[FromWayDowntown]

sheriff of the floor? the guy just came back from being out of basketball for an entire year. hes obviously looking out for his own well being.. how selfish of him.

Tell it to the league, leave it out of the media.

[Jintonix]

Who elected Amare Stoudemire to be the sheriff of the floor? If he thought it was a problem, raise it to the league -- and not through the media -- and let the league take whatever action it deems necessary.

Well that poses a problem too. If he just raised it through the league, it would eventually go through the media anyways and all this mumbo jumbo would still go on. He just saved time by going through the media, not to mention there were questions on why he landed so awkwardly during the incident. So technically he wasn't the one who really instigated it.

[sunsbum]

Fuck the gay suns fans. I predict they will be MIA after game 3. bitches.
is there a retard emote on here?

[sunsbum]

Tell it to the league, leave it out of the media.
:rolleyes

[ambchang]

Are you really that stupid? Do you realize you're looking at one FRAME? Since when has one frame told the whole story :lol

Did you ever stop to think (doubt it) that this ONE frame is AFTER Amare got kicked? Some of the homers here are dumber than dirt. Seriously.

Let me use some Spurs homer dipshit logic....

Bruce Bowen never kicked Wally Z in the face. The proof is right here. Look at this ONE FRAME. Bowen's foot is nowhere near his face.....


http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/6663/brucewallyqd7.gif

But the more shocking thing is that NOBODY was able to show a picture of Amare actually being kicked.
The MOST shocking thing though, is Stoudemire didn't even know he was kicked until he saw it on tape. I have never had that surgery before, but I didn't know that they have the sever the nerves to make it work.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well that poses a problem too. If he just raised it through the league, it would eventually go through the media anyways and all this mumbo jumbo would still go on. He just saved time by going through the media, not to mention there were questions on why he landed so awkwardly during the incident. So technically he wasn't the one who really instigated it.

Not true. If the league takes no action -- and it didn't in this case -- I don't think there would have been any significant media play. At that, Amare always had the choice to say "No comment." He didn't. And I think it's interesting that former players in the media think he was wrong for having gone to the media.

[SirChaz]

Are Suns fans trying to convince themselves that their team holds the upper-hand in this series at this point?

I realize that a lot of things can change in either direction over this weekend, but looking at the situation objectively, I don't know that the Spurs have any reason to feel desperation at this point. They weren't competitive in Game 2, but that's a far cry from concluding that they have no chance to be competitive in the remainder of the series and are somehow looking for any minor advantage that they can get based on a desperation to stay in the series.

If one were to buy all of the "Bowen is always dirty" arguments, I guess one would have to conclude that he's been playing with desperation during the handful of regular season games that are always raised in attempting to prove the reputation. I'm not sure that Bowen gets that up or down about any regular season games at this point. If anything, the historical "proof" would seem to cut against this asinine "desperation" argument.

The Series is tied and I expect it will be again after game 4.


I never said desperation in the series. I was talking about game 2.

It is the only way most teams can beat the Suns. Slow it down, junk up the game, milk the clock, and hold, grab, and trip as much as you can and hope the refs don't call it. It is exactly how the Jazz had so much success against them.

Now the Spurs have been a different animal but I expect that to change if the Suns start to pull away as they did in game 2.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

But the more shocking thing is that NOBODY was able to show a picture of Amare actually being kicked.
The MOST shocking thing though, is Stoudemire didn't even know he was kicked until he saw it on tape. I have never had that surgery before, but I didn't know that they have the sever the nerves to make it work.

Amare is clearly kicked. You can see the youtube video, and it offers undeniable proof that he was hit.

And how's the reading comprehension working out for you? Amare new that he was kicked, but did not know whether or not it was unintentional until he saw the replay.

[Scumbag]

Tell it to the league, leave it out of the media.


The first rule of Fight Club err.. Spurs basketball, is do not talk about Fight Clu... Spurs basketball. :ihit

[sunsbum]

i know when im trying to stop on a dime i always sweep kick one of my feet out.

that fact that its right there on video in front of your faces and you still deny it is beyond ridiculous.

[ambchang]

There was clearly contact. You can see when Bowen's foot makes contact with Amare's leg, and you can see that it hurt him in the awkward way that Amare goes up and the way he lands.
http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

[Scumbag]

i know when im trying to stop on a dime i always sweep kick one of my feet out.

that fact that its right there on video in front of your faces and you still deny it is beyond ridiculous.


"Come on now! I know Bowen Personally and he told me that he was stepping on a cricket he noticed on the floor NEXT to amare... It was clearly not a kick!"

[ambchang]

Coward my ass. If Bowen and Ginobili's play style is "gamesmanship", then so is this.

It's a shot across the bow, nothing more. I'd argue that 22 pages of pissing and moaning about it is just as "cowardly".

Defamation? Gimme a break.

I seriously doubt that Bowen and Ginobili are as worried about their own reps as you guys are.

Hey, given that you are part of this 22 pages of pissing and moaning, you just admitted at being a coward yourself.
Which compared to the ones who disappeared after it became more and more obvious Amare is full of shit, is the least cowardly thing that was done.

[Scumbag]

Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.


I find your mind amazing... :toast

[Oh, Gee!!]

Bowen probably did it, but it's cool by me

[seattletim]

every team has a dirty team moment....the suns have raja bell...he gave kobe the rock bottom last year!!!!


you sound like an idiot.

and spurs don't have dirty 'moments', they have dirty PLAYERS. big difference.

[seattletim]

Bowen probably did it, but it's cool by me

typical spurs fan and bush voter.

[sunsbum]

"Come on now! I know Bowen Personally and he told me that he was stepping on a cricket he noticed on the floor NEXT to amare... It was clearly not a kick!"
:lmao :lmao

[mardigan]

you sound like an idiot.

and spurs don't have dirty 'moments', they have dirty PLAYERS. big difference.
:lol another one of yous

[OldDirtMcGirt]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

You're showing a free frame of what happened after Bowen's foot bounced off of STAT's ankle. Bowen clearly looks like down, measures and throws a kick in about two seconds real time. How do you explain that Amare, who takes so much pride in power dunking, goes limp in his leg and almost falls over, you know, kind of like if he was kicked in the ankle.

[Scumbag]

it became more and more obvious Amare is full of shit,


This is almost as good as saying Bowen is in Amare's head. Has he done anything to stop Amare AT ALL this series? If anything, Amare is in Bowens head because the only thing he can think to do, to stop the big bad man, is to stomp on his foot like a 6 year old little girl. :madrun

[ambchang]

Amare is clearly kicked. You can see the youtube video, and it offers undeniable proof that he was hit.

And how's the reading comprehension working out for you? Amare new that he was kicked, but did not know whether or not it was unintentional until he saw the replay.
On the contrary, the replay clearly showed Bowen never kicked Amare. All this talk about Amare being sensitive of being hit because of the surgery and such, wouldn't he have been furious the second he was being kicked in the heels, regardless of intention?
And I confess I do struggle with mind-reading comprehension skills, I have no idea that you could read into Amare's mind and knew that he knew he was being kicked during the game, didn't know it after the game, and only knew of it after seeing the replay in slow motion.
Could you also teach me now to read minds that you claim you could? I need to know what lowest possible price I can offer to the car salesman before I purchase my next ride.

[sunsbum]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.


wait, this picture shows bruces foot directly ON amares heel/achilles... how again is this proof that bowen isnt a cheapshot artist?

[cornbread]

If a Suns player is injured during this series by Bowen, it's on Stern's head. There have been dozens of examples of this Bowen creep trying to undercut players to take them out. The league has had ample opportunities to send this guy packing. Bowen is indeed a wily mofo. Tough guys make a point of sending a message. Bowen does it on the sly. Like Duncan after a blatant foul he throws up his arms in disbelief. He's like Sylveser caught with tweety in his maw. As a longtime NBA fan, he's the dirtiest, most despicable player I've ever seen.

If STAT or Steve get injured by Bowen, Stern should be fired.
:lmao I see your heroic crusade against Bruce Bowen continues. Good luck with that.

You can't claim to be some "longtime NBA fan" and then say Bowen is the dirtiest player you've ever seen. Maybe "longtime" to you means 2 or 3 seasons. Bruce Bowen can't even hold a candle to guys like Malone, Stockton, Rodman, or the dirtiest of all, Bill Laimbeer.

Your credibility just went out the window with that take.

[jmard5]

so when you read one page of a book i guess you know the entire story right?

You are comparing this to a page and a book? Lame excuse Suns fan. The fact that the picture tells everything proves that Bowen is innocent... or you are just blind.

Well, probably, you are blind alright.

Next.

[sunsbum]

You are comparing this to a page and a book? Lame excuse Suns fan. The fact that the picture tells everything proves that Bowen is innocent... or you are just blind.

Well, probably, you are blind alright.

Next.


HOW DOES THAT PROVE HES INNOCENT??? HIS FOOT IS ON HIS FUCKING HEEL!!! :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin

[Scumbag]

And I confess I do struggle with mind-reading comprehension skills, I have no idea that you could read into Amare's mind and knew that he knew he was being kicked during the game, didn't know it after the game, and only knew of it after seeing the replay in slow motion.
Could you also teach me now to read minds that you claim you could? I need to know what lowest possible price I can offer to the car salesman before I purchase my next ride.


Hey Fuckwad, learn2read -

In the fourth quarter, Stoudemire felt a kick to his left Achilles tendon as he leaped inside. He came down awkwardly and said his foot was sore the rest of the night. He got treatment before practice.

Stoudemire said he wasn't sure Bowen had kicked him on purpose until he saw the replay.

Good job having this guy argue the Spurs case. Go get your god damned eyes checked. :nerd

[ambchang]

You're showing a free frame of what happened after Bowen's foot bounced off of STAT's ankle. Bowen clearly looks like down, measures and throws a kick in about two seconds real time. How do you explain that Amare, who takes so much pride in power dunking, goes limp in his leg and almost falls over, you know, kind of like if he was kicked in the ankle.
It was less than a second in real time between Amare catching the ball and dunking it, much less elevating before the alleged kick.
Watch the video again, he caught the ball at the 4 second mark and was done dunking by the 5 second mark.
And I can't explain why Amare didn't elevate the way he normally does, but does that mean Bowen kicked him?
Hey, Manu sucked in this series, and he normally plays very well, so it MUST be Bell playing dirty throughout the series, right?

[jmard5]

Bowen stuck his foot out there but the contact was incidential.

If anything these "dirty tactics" smell of desperation.

You know the Spurs are in trouble when they start tripping, grabbing, and holding just to stay in the game.

Desperation? Who holds HCA? I know the Spurs are scheduled to play AT HOME for 2 straight games.

Tsk. Why are some moronic Suns fans still post idiotic comments.

[ambchang]

This is almost as good as saying Bowen is in Amare's head. Has he done anything to stop Amare AT ALL this series? If anything, Amare is in Bowens head because the only thing he can think to do, to stop the big bad man, is to stomp on his foot like a 6 year old little girl. :madrun
What does this have to do with Amare being full of shit? Is it because you are so sensitive with people being full of shit because you are always full of shit, like how Amare is sensitive to people kicking his heels because of the surgery?

[shelshor]

He needed a video to realize this?
As dumb as Amare is, it probably took 2 days for the message to go from his Achilles to his brain

[sunsbum]

Why are some moronic Suns fans still post idiotic comments.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


speaking of moronic, great sentence.

[ambchang]

wait, this picture shows bruces foot directly ON amares heel/achilles... how again is this proof that bowen isnt a cheapshot artist?

Do you know where the archilles heel is? It's usually not beneath a person's own shoe.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

It was less than a second in real time between Amare catching the ball and dunking it, much less elevating before the alleged kick.
Watch the video again, he caught the ball at the 4 second mark and was done dunking by the 5 second mark.
And I can't explain why Amare didn't elevate the way he normally does, but does that mean Bowen kicked him?
Hey, Manu sucked in this series, and he normally plays very well, so it MUST be Bell playing dirty throughout the series, right?

Bruce clearly has enough time to run over, look where Amare's ankle is, and deliver the blow. This is all shown on the video.

Please, Manu sucking is completely different. I'm guessing it was just some phantom force that hit Amare in the leg, causing him to come down awkwardly, even though it's clear that Bowen's foot hits Amare in the ankle and bounces off.

[DePastino]

Hey, given that you are part of this 22 pages of pissing and moaning, you just admitted at being a coward yourself.
Which compared to the ones who disappeared after it became more and more obvious Amare is full of shit, is the least cowardly thing that was done.

What's next? I'm rubber and you're glue???

Dude, either have something intelligent to say, or don't address me directly.

Unless you really are THAT dumb, in which case, I apologize.

[Scumbag]

Is it because you are so sensitive with people being full of shit because you are always full of shit

lmao, WTF!

"I know you are but what am I?!?!"

LOL, you win man. :clap

[ambchang]

You are comparing this to a page and a book? Lame excuse Suns fan. The fact that the picture tells everything proves that Bowen is innocent... or you are just blind.

Well, probably, you are blind alright.

Next.

but apparently 2 still frames and a complete replay of the entire sequence is not enough.
Maybe these guys are used to watching one-page books.

[sunsbum]

Do you know where the archilles heel is? It's usually not beneath a person's own shoe.


ok, so you ARE admitting that bowen kicked him in the back of the foot, thanks. his foot is on his fucking sock dude get your eyes checked.

[jmard5]

Are you really that stupid? Do you realize you're looking at one FRAME? Since when has one frame told the whole story :lol

Did you ever stop to think (doubt it) that this ONE frame is AFTER Amare got kicked? Some of the homers here are dumber than dirt. Seriously.

Let me use some Spurs homer dipshit logic....

Bruce Bowen never kicked Wally Z in the face. The proof is right here. Look at this ONE FRAME. Bowen's foot is nowhere near his face.....


http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/6663/brucewallyqd7.gif


Oh riggght. So Amare was just about to land from his dunk? or... Gee, how swift that Bowen kick must be, both of his feet are on the floor! or Wow, look at Amare's calf muscles, both lined up straight.

Idiot.

[Scumbag]

Do you know where the archilles heel is? It's usually not beneath a person's own shoe.


So you are lowering yourself to this? OK OK OK! We meant to say the BACK of the heel. Come on guys. Jesus christ do we have to sing it?

My heel is connected to my... what? guess... ACHILLES! :drunk

[Winnipeg_Spur]

When was the last time Bruce was suspended for one of his horrible, dirty, attempts to injure? I can't recall a single time in his career with the Spurs.

Therefore, either there's a huge conspiracy in the NBA not to suspend Bowen cause he's such a huge star, or maybe he's not as dirty as some fans think.

[angel_luv]

It may have been said but I don't have time to read through the thread to find out.

If I was Wally I would be insulted that Amare is making such a big deal out of that "kick".

[Scumbag]

When was the last time Bruce was suspended for one of his horrible, dirty, attempts to injure? I can't recall a single time in his career with the Spurs.

Therefore, either there's a huge conspiracy in the NBA not to suspend Bowen cause he's such a huge star, or maybe he's not as dirty as some fans think.


Good point, He was never punished... OJ is innocent! :bang

[jmard5]

HOW DOES THAT PROVE HES INNOCENT??? HIS FOOT IS ON HIS FUCKING HEEL!!! :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin

So does the video prove that Bowen kicked Amare? No.

The fact the Stu Jackson did not hand down a suspension speaks volumes too.

[ambchang]

Hey Fuckwad, learn2read -

In the fourth quarter, Stoudemire felt a kick to his left Achilles tendon as he leaped inside. He came down awkwardly and said his foot was sore the rest of the night. He got treatment before practice.

Stoudemire said he wasn't sure Bowen had kicked him on purpose until he saw the replay.

Good job having this guy argue the Spurs case. Go get your god damned eyes checked. :nerd
Talking about reading comprehension skills.
So now I am here, thinking and stating that Amare is full of shit, watched the video over and over, and had still photos that clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare, and I am here to believe what he said to the press 2 days after the incident?
As stupid as Amare appears, I don't think any one is stupid enough to say "I didn't feel a thing during the game, but when I watched the replay, I realized that it looks like Bowen kicked me in the heels, so I am going to fabricate this whole story, call Bowen out as dirty, and not say anything about how I felt during the incident."
Read again dumbass, I said I couldn't read Amare's mind, and my guess is neither could you or the chump who wrote the article, only Amare knows whether he felt a kick that never existed.

[mardigan]

Good point, He was never punished... OJ is innocent! :bang
Even better point comparing murder to a basketball play dumbfuck.

[Scumbag]

Tsk. Why are some moronic Suns fans still post idiotic comments.

Oh you mean like this one? - As dumb as Amare is, it probably took 2 days for the message to go from his Achilles to his brain

Oh wait thats from a spurs fan.

Lets try this one - "Fuck the gay suns fans. I predict they will be MIA after game 3. bitches."

Wait, thats a spurs fan also.. Aww, fuck it nevermind.

[cornbread]

As dumb as Amare is, it probably took 2 days for the message to go from his Achilles to his brain[/I]

:lol

[sunsbum]

So does the video prove that Bowen kicked Amare? No.

The fact the Stu Jackson did not hand down a suspension speaks volumes too.


yea your precious picture doesnt hold much water any more does it....mind as well fall back on your only argument "you cant prove he kicked him".

WATCH THE VIDEO. NO ONE jumpstops like that. it would take EXTRA effort for you to swing your foot out like that ...it doesnt just rotate outwards.

what is bowen doing that close to amare anyways..the play was over as soon as amare got the ball, why did bowen feel the need to charge to the back of amare and fling his foot under him??

[Scumbag]

Read again dumbass, I said I couldn't read Amare's mind, and my guess is neither could you or the chump who wrote the article, only Amare knows whether he felt a kick that never existed.


Before I say anything, if I were a spurs fan I would demand you stop posting.


That bieng said, you do know that when you write an article you talk to the person involved and get a statement right? He just didn't make up, "In the fourth quarter, Stoudemire felt a kick to his left Achilles tendon as he leaped inside. He came down awkwardly and said his foot was sore the rest of the night." because he felt thats how a good story should end.

[ambchang]

Bruce clearly has enough time to run over, look where Amare's ankle is, and deliver the blow. This is all shown on the video.

Please, Manu sucking is completely different. I'm guessing it was just some phantom force that hit Amare in the leg, causing him to come down awkwardly, even though it's clear that Bowen's foot hits Amare in the ankle and bounces off.
I can't argue with you why Amare landed awkward, because unlike people around here, I can't make up facts through opinions and non-proofs.
But Shaun Livingston didn't get any contact when he got injured, and things like this happens, people land in awkward positions and hurt themselves.
So we are down to having enough time and not having enough time, I can't argue this, but look at the video again.
At the 20 second mark is where Amare took off (alleged time of kick), Amare didn't have his right leg kick out until the 23 second mark. If his leg bounced off of Bowen's kick, would this not have been instantaneous?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU

[sunsbum]

go try to jump stop and see how many times your foot SWEEPS out from under you.....10 times out of 10, its not gunna happen.

[Scumbag]

Even better point comparing murder to a basketball play dumbfuck.


Would you care if compared breaking a law or rule of something less violent to an attempt to injure someone? I was thinking as a spurs fan you would understand violence.

Hey, my bad. :(

[ambchang]

What's next? I'm rubber and you're glue???

Dude, either have something intelligent to say, or don't address me directly.

Unless you really are THAT dumb, in which case, I apologize.
Do you enjoy doing things you kept telling people not to do?
First you bitch about 22 pages of bitching in which you are a part of, then you call people dumb by posting unintelligent content.

[mardigan]

Before I say anything, if I were a spurs fan I would demand you stop posting.
I think most people on here would rather have all the dipshit new Sun fans to stop posting. You guys havent brought shit to the forum except Bowen hate. Shut the fuck up already. The league already said they arent doing shit, lets move on

[jmard5]

Oh you mean like this one? - As dumb as Amare is, it probably took 2 days for the message to go from his Achilles to his brain

Oh wait thats from a spurs fan.

Lets try this one - "Fuck the gay suns fans. I predict they will be MIA after game 3. bitches."

Wait, thats a spurs fan also.. Aww, fuck it nevermind.

Well, the Amare retort can be well, quite true. Now, you making it as reference... makes you even dumber. :lol

[ambchang]

ok, so you ARE admitting that bowen kicked him in the back of the foot, thanks. his foot is on his fucking sock dude get your eyes checked.
http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
This is just getting more and more incredible.
Look at the picture again. Do you see the front part of Bowen's foot? I don't, you know why? Because Amare's right foot was in front of his foot, well, either that, or the kick was so hard, Bowen kicked THROUGH his leg and implanted his shoe there.
And speaking of reading comprehension, BENEATH.

[DePastino]

So does the video prove that Bowen kicked Amare? No.

The fact the Stu Jackson did not hand down a suspension speaks volumes too.

Fact is, there's not enough evidence there to support either argument.

Whether you're calling Bowen a thug, or defending him to the death, the real question is - who gives a shit?

Whatever Amare was trying to accomplish, we won't know if it worked or not until after the series.

[Scumbag]

I think most people on here would rather have all the dipshit new Sun fans to stop posting. You guys havent brought shit to the forum except Bowen hate. Shut the fuck up already


I am sorry if you ran out of things to defend the kick with and want us to stop defusing your absolute asinine statements.


Psssst, you can use my "stepping on a cricket on the court" one. I wont mind.

[FromWayDowntown]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
This is just getting more and more incredible.
Look at the picture again. Do you see the front part of Bowen's foot? I don't, you know why? Because Amare's right foot was in front of his foot, well, either that, or the kick was so hard, Bowen kicked THROUGH his leg and implanted his shoe there.
And speaking of reading comprehension, BENEATH.

It looks to me like the front part of Bowen's foot is between Amare's feet and pointed upwards.

I think it's remarkable, though, that Bowen could kick Amare before he left the ground and have that kick be substantial enough to affect Amare only on the way down. Amare doesn't appear to have lost his balance or suffered such brute force that it affected his ability to elevate. I guess maybe Bowen applied his patented 2 second delay to that kick.

[ambchang]

So you are lowering yourself to this? OK OK OK! We meant to say the BACK of the heel. Come on guys. Jesus christ do we have to sing it?

My heel is connected to my... what? guess... ACHILLES! :drunk


Oh riggght. So Amare was just about to land from his dunk? or... Gee, how swift that Bowen kick must be, both of his feet are on the floor! or Wow, look at Amare's calf muscles, both lined up straight.

Idiot.
Beneath, Beneath, Beneath! It means that Bowen's foot was BENEATH Amare's shoe, which also means that Bowen couldn't have kicked Amare in his heals.
I would have drawn you a diagram, but I thought the picture was clearer, and if you still can't see it from the picture, there is just no way you can see it with anything else.

[sunsbum]

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg
This is just getting more and more incredible.
Look at the picture again. Do you see the front part of Bowen's foot? I don't, you know why? Because Amare's right foot was in front of his foot, well, either that, or the kick was so hard, Bowen kicked THROUGH his leg and implanted his shoe there.
And speaking of reading comprehension, BENEATH.


HOLY SHIT are you fucking kidding me...look on amares FAR foot the left one i believe...BOWENS FOOT IS DIRECTLY ON AMARES HEEL...

take a close look cause bowenst FRONT FOOT IS IN CLEAR PLAIN SIGHT.

[shelshor]

If Bowen is as dirty and has such a long record of injuring other players as some are claiming, and if he tried to injure Stoudemire has some are claiming, then why is Amare still up and walking around?
Seems like, if Bruce has such a long record of injuring players, as some claim, Stoudemire should just now be coming out of surgery, being Bowen's latest victim and all

[ambchang]

Before I say anything, if I were a spurs fan I would demand you stop posting.


That bieng said, you do know that when you write an article you talk to the person involved and get a statement right? He just didn't make up, "In the fourth quarter, Stoudemire felt a kick to his left Achilles tendon as he leaped inside. He came down awkwardly and said his foot was sore the rest of the night." because he felt thats how a good story should end.
You really are the same person who preached reading comprehension? Read the whole post.

[Scumbag]

Now, you making it as reference... makes you even dumber. :lol


Lol, jesus man. That was a good one!

[mardigan]

Bowen 'kick' not under review by: Marc Stein
posted: Friday, May 11, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry
filed under: Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs

Checked with the league office Friday to get their position on the latest "dirty" claim against Bruce Bowen.

The claim, in this instance, has been dismissed.

No matter how much debate this generates in the media, Bowen is not under review for what Amare Stoudemire contends was an intentional kick to the back of his leg on a fourth-quarter dunk in Tuesday night's Game 2.





it doesnt matter what either party thinks, Bowen will be playing. End of story

[DePastino]

Do you enjoy doing things you kept telling people not to do?
First you bitch about 22 pages of bitching in which you are a part of, then you call people dumb by posting unintelligent content.

1. Grow up

2. Get some new material. Take my word for it, you're not HALF as clever as you think you are.

3. Give up the argument. Why are you defending Bowen's "intent"? Since you're the one that brought up mind reading, how can you say with certainty that Bowen didn't try to get away with something?

Answer: you can't.

So stop padding your post count.

[Scumbag]

You really are the same person who preached reading comprehension?


Comprehension? You have having trouble with goddamn PICTURE! lol

And no I wasn't the one that was preaching about reading comprehension. I just kinda jumped in the debate.

Good luck with that picture by the way :p:

[sunsbum]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/joshuastmarie/amare.jpg



BLIND MUCH?

[jmard5]

Bowen 'kick' not under review by: Marc Stein
posted: Friday, May 11, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry
filed under: Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs

Checked with the league office Friday to get their position on the latest "dirty" claim against Bruce Bowen.

The claim, in this instance, has been dismissed.

No matter how much debate this generates in the media, Bowen is not under review for what Amare Stoudemire contends was an intentional kick to the back of his leg on a fourth-quarter dunk in Tuesday night's Game 2.





it doesnt matter what either party thinks, Bowen will be playing. End of story


Ditto. :toast

[ambchang]

HOLY SHIT are you fucking kidding me...look on amares FAR foot the left one i believe...BOWENS FOOT IS DIRECTLY ON AMARES HEEL...

take a close look cause bowenst FRONT FOOT IS IN CLEAR PLAIN SIGHT.
Look at the video again, Amare's right leg went up after he dunked the ball. So why would his right leg bounce from Bowen's "kick" with a delay of a second, after Bowen kicked him in his left leg?
BTW, that picture either shows Bowen's foot was between Amare's left and right left, or it shows Bowen kicked through Amare's right leg and dented left. I tend to believe the earlier explanation.

[DarrinS]

yea your precious picture doesnt hold much water any more does it....mind as well fall back on your only argument "you cant prove he kicked him".

WATCH THE VIDEO. NO ONE jumpstops like that. it would take EXTRA effort for you to swing your foot out like that ...it doesnt just rotate outwards.

what is bowen doing that close to amare anyways..the play was over as soon as amare got the ball, why did bowen feel the need to charge to the back of amare and fling his foot under him??


http://blogs.citypages.com/canderson/images/smallestviolin.jpg

[mardigan]

Comprehension? You have having trouble with goddamn PICTURE!
:rolleyes

[ambchang]

1. Grow up

2. Get some new material. Take my word for it, you're not HALF as clever as you think you are.

3. Give up the argument. Why are you defending Bowen's "intent"? Since you're the one that brought up mind reading, how can you say with certainty that Bowen didn't try to get away with something?

Answer: you can't.

So stop padding your post count.
Whew! Where did I EVER talk about Bowen's intent.
I clearly stated that there never was a kick.
And thanks for the lecture, I need lessons how to stick my foot in my mouth from the master.

[sunsbum]

Look at the video again, Amare's right leg went up after he dunked the ball. So why would his right leg bounce from Bowen's "kick" with a delay of a second, after Bowen kicked him in his left leg?
BTW, that picture either shows Bowen's foot was between Amare's left and right left, or it shows Bowen kicked through Amare's right leg and dented left. I tend to believe the earlier explanation.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/joshuastmarie/amare.jpg

[kps0001]

Look at the video again, Amare's right leg went up after he dunked the ball. So why would his right leg bounce from Bowen's "kick" with a delay of a second, after Bowen kicked him in his left leg?
BTW, that picture either shows Bowen's foot was between Amare's left and right left, or it shows Bowen kicked through Amare's right leg and dented left. I tend to believe the earlier explanation.


give it up you are really reaching now.

[Mr. Peabody]

This should be prosecuted as a hate crime!!!!*




*Because I do think the entire Phoenix team is a little gay.....

[ambchang]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/joshuastmarie/amare.jpg



BLIND MUCH?

Look at the video again, at the 36 to 37 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
The talk has been Bowen kicking Amare's right leg and caused it to bounce up. The picture showed that never happened.
The video showed that Bowen's foot was half a feet away from Amare's left heel.

[DarrinS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/joshuastmarie/amare.jpg


You're worse than my 2 year old.

NBA did not see anything that warranted punishment.

The End.

[Scumbag]

:rolleyes


Sorry my lord, I am at work and tabbing back and forth. It will not happen again sir! :nope

[mardigan]

3. Give up the argument. Why are you defending Bowen's "intent"? Since you're the one that brought up mind reading, how can you say with certainty that Bowen didn't try to get away with something?
:lol So wait, Spurs fans shouldnt act like we know what Bowens intent was even though Sun fan after Sun fan keep telling us they know exactly what his intent was? Of course we would side with our boy, we have watched him play for a very long time without seemingly trying to hurt anyone. Now tell me again, why shouldnt fans of a beloved player on a beloved team come to his defense?

[Scumbag]

*Because I do think the entire Phoenix team is a little gay.....


Just Boris Diaw... even we admit that.

[ambchang]

give it up you are really reaching now.
How so, because from what I get around here, Amare's right leg reacted to a kick to the left leg.
And Amare limped on his RIGHT foot in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Don't believe me? Watch the 5 second mark of the video.

[DarrinS]

This should be prosecuted as a hate crime!!!!*




*Because I do think the entire Phoenix team is a little gay.....


You think so?

http://static.flickr.com/75/185158857_c1b3105add_o.jpg

[sunsbum]

You're worse than my 2 year old.

NBA did not see anything that warranted punishment.

The End.


the funny thing is earlier in this thread you guys were trying to use this picture as PROOF that bowen didnt kick amare...

oops.

[ambchang]

:lol So wait, Spurs fans shouldnt act like we know what Bowens intent was even though Sun fan after Sun fan keep telling us they know exactly what his intent was? Of course we would side with our boy, we have watched him play for a very long time without seemingly trying to hurt anyone. Now tell me again, why shouldnt fans of a beloved player on a beloved team come to his defense?
The beautiful thing is never intended to prove Bowen's intent, but these Suns fans have the intent to make a whole lot of shit out of nothing.

[kps0001]

The talk has been Bowen kicking Amare's right leg and caused it to bounce up. T


REally I thought the talk was about Bowen kicking Amare's heel and whether it was intentional or not?

[ambchang]

the funny thing is earlier in this thread you guys were trying to use this picture as PROOF that bowen didnt kick amare...

oops.
And it did.
oops.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bruce bowen should put his shoe in amares ass next time they meet so he can stfu up and go cry at the media

[Mr. Peabody]

Just Boris Diaw... even we admit that.

:lol

Nice.

:lol

[Scumbag]

You think so?

http://static.flickr.com/75/185158857_c1b3105add_o.jpg


LOL, thats some funny shit.

[kps0001]

How so, because from what I get around here, Amare's right leg reacted to a kick to the left leg.
And Amare limped on his RIGHT foot in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Don't believe me? Watch the 5 second mark of the video.


HAHAHA give it up man. LIke you can tell what leg he is limping on in that video. He lands for a second and it goes into the slow motion replay.

[DarrinS]

This should be prosecuted as a hate crime!!!!*




*Because I do think the entire Phoenix team is a little gay.....


Nash: Hey guys, let's make a man sandwich.

http://english.people.com.cn/200605/26/images/0525_B34.jpg

[kps0001]

I am really beginning to think there is a recurring theme here. Spurs fans are really good at using terms like faggot and gay when describing the Suns and fans. I think there are some Spurs fans here struggling with their own sexuality.

[DePastino]

Whew! Where did I EVER talk about Bowen's intent.
I clearly stated that there never was a kick.
And thanks for the lecture, I need lessons how to stick my foot in my mouth from the master.

Well you did say

“Sure someone is dirty and a coward for pulling sneaky crap, just that it wasn't Bowen”

and

“I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.”

But in that same span of time, YOU can determine that he didn't?

Clear enough for you now?

And splitting hairs over the word "kick" is pointless as well. Clearly, the video shows contact. Amare thought it was intentional, so does it matter what word you use? Kick, stomp - whatever.

[CharlieMac]

I'm trying to work "gonads" into a regular, acceptable form of slang with the people I work with. They're not buying into it.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/joshuastmarie/amare.jpg



BLIND MUCH?

You're an idiot. As said before, Bowen kicks amare, and then that image is captured after he plants his foot AFTER THE KICK! Amare then jumps very oddly with crappy elevation and lands bizarrely because the kick totally messed up his jump.

[DePastino]

:lol So wait, Spurs fans shouldnt act like we know what Bowens intent was even though Sun fan after Sun fan keep telling us they know exactly what his intent was? Of course we would side with our boy, we have watched him play for a very long time without seemingly trying to hurt anyone. Now tell me again, why shouldnt fans of a beloved player on a beloved team come to his defense?


Yeah.

It's called "taking the high road".

And for the record, I wish all the Suns fans would stop arguing about it too.

The league called it clean, Amare disagrees, end of discussion.

[Amare_32]

Yeah.

It's called "taking the high road".

And for the record, I wish all the Suns fans would stop arguing about it too.

The league called it clean, Amare disagrees, end of discussion.

Thank you! I am tired of hearing about this Bowen kick.

[mardigan]

Yeah.

It's called "taking the high road".

And for the record, I wish all the Suns fans would stop arguing about it too.

The league called it clean, Amare disagrees, end of discussion.
couldnt agree more

[CharlieMac]

You're an idiot. As said before, Bowen kicks amare, and then that image is captured after he plants his foot AFTER THE KICK! Amare then jumps very oddly with crappy elevation and lands bizarrely because the kick totally messed up his jump.

"Bowens toe on heel"

One player stepping on another in the NBA? This is surely a first in the NBA and professional sports.

[SpursWoman]

Amare thought it was intentional, so does it matter what word you use? Kick, stomp - whatever.


You win. I've heard Amare's recognition of intent is second to none, so if he said it must have been intentional, then intentional is what it was.

[spurastic]

what is bowen doing that close to amare anyways..the play was over as soon as amare got the ball, why did bowen feel the need to charge to the back of amare and fling his foot under him??
Because,unlike the Suns and their lack of defense, the Spurs challenges shots.

[Scumbag]

I am not going to debate it anymore. Before the video was posted Spurs fans were saying it was not on purpose. After the video was posted every Spurs fan said "That does not show contact". Now that the picture is posted and shows obvious contact they are saying it wasn't on purpose again.

It should really be obvious to you guys what happened and the fact that Amare is not hurt changes nothing. The video prooves it was done maliciously because of the way he swung his foot out and looked down and the picture proves there was contact. Plain and simple. Twist the facts all you want.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You're an idiot. As said before, Bowen kicks amare, and then that image is captured after he plants his foot AFTER THE KICK! Amare then jumps very oddly with crappy elevation and lands bizarrely because the kick totally messed up his jump.

the question is, wtf did amare land on bowens foot for?

[Scumbag]

unlike the Suns and their lack of defense.

How did that lack of defense treat you last game?

[DePastino]

You win. I've heard Amare's recognition of intent is second to none, so if he said it must have been intentional, then intentional is what it was.

That's not what said. I said that no one knows what Bowen's intent truly was - except him.

[sunsbum]

How did that lack of defense treat you last game?
:lmao

i was getting ready to post the same exact thing.

[DePastino]

the question is, wtf did amare land on bowens foot for?

I believe that he was trying to preemptively retaliate.

[kps0001]

How did that lack of defense treat you last game?


it wasn't our defense. Spurs just weren't hitting their shots or playing with any heart. :rolleyes

We have no right to say anyting because the Suns have never won a championship. :rolleyes

All the Suns are gay, whiners, and pussies. :rolleyes


There I just saved you all from having to respond.

[sunsbum]

it wasn't our defense. Spurs just weren't hitting their shots or playing with any heart. :rolleyes

We have no right to say anyting because the Suns have never won a championship. :rolleyes

All the Suns are gay, whiners, and pussies. :rolleyes


There I just saved you all from having to respond.

i have the sudden urge to go lasso me some butthole.

[Scumbag]

Boris Diaw secretly puts on the Suns dancers outfits after the game and rolls around in the teams sweaty towels.

[kps0001]

I am not going to debate it anymore. Before the video was posted Spurs fans were saying it was not on purpose. After the video was posted every Spurs fan said "That does not show contact". Now that the picture is posted and shows obvious contact they are saying it wasn't on purpose again.

It should really be obvious to you guys what happened and the fact that Amare is not hurt changes nothing. The video prooves it was done maliciously because of the way he swung his foot out and looked down and the picture proves there was contact. Plain and simple. Twist the facts all you want.


I think you are right scumbag. But I think if you would leave out the whole "intent" thing it would give them nothing else to argue. We truly don't know what the intent was. Given the history of Bowen sticking his feet out on a jump shooter we FEEL that was the intent.

There is no question there was contact but we have no way of knowing Bowen's intent.

[DarrinS]

This thread needs to be locked, then dumped.

[kps0001]

This thread needs to be locked, then dumped.


aw..c'mon don't take your ball and go home.

:cry

[SpursWoman]

That's not what said. I said that no one knows what Bowen's intent truly was - except him.

We've seen this "cry about Bowen to the media because he makes it harder to put up my numbers so hopefully this pitiful attempt will make them watch Bowen closer in the next game" routine so many times, I'm surprised Spurs fans let it get to them so much. Although, usually it works ... if Bowen isn't in foul trouble early on Saturday, I would be very surprised.

[DePastino]

This thread needs to be locked, then dumped.



aw..c'mon don't take your ball and go home.

:cry

What he said...

[DePastino]

We've seen this "cry about Bowen to the media because he makes it harder to put up my numbers so hopefully this pitiful attempt will make them watch Bowen closer in the next game" routine so many times, I'm surprised Spurs fans let it get to them so much. Although, usually it works ... if Bowen isn't in foul trouble early on Saturday, I would be very surprised.

Well if that were the case, then I'd call Amare's tactic a success.

[Nashfan]

HOLY SHIT are you fucking kidding me...look on amares FAR foot the left one i believe...BOWENS FOOT IS DIRECTLY ON AMARES HEEL...

take a close look cause bowenst FRONT FOOT IS IN CLEAR PLAIN SIGHT.


You might have to draw an arrow to show these blind Spurs fans where Bowens foot is. :)

[kps0001]

You might have to draw an arrow to show these blind Spurs fans where Bowens foot is. :)


its back a few pages.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1659620&postcount=647

[cheguevara]

yeat another proof of how soft the NBA has become.

Amare, you tender bitch. go play WNBA if you don't want contact. pussy

[kps0001]

yeat another proof of how soft the NBA has become.

Amare, you tender bitch. go play WNBA if you don't want contact. pussy

you forgot gay and whiner.

[DePastino]

yeat another proof of how soft the NBA has become.

Amare, you tender bitch. go play WNBA if you don't want contact. pussy

And if a player with a history of questionable tactics came down on Duncan's heel, you'd feel the same way, right?

[shelshor]

yeat another proof of how soft the NBA has become.

Amare, you tender bitch. go play WNBA if you don't want contact. pussy
That won't work either: the first time Swin Cash gives him an elbow on her way to the basket, he'll be whining so much the girls will be too embarrassed and disgusted to play with him

[Obstructed_View]

Bowen ownz Phoenix.

[Catharsis]

Look at the video again, at the 36 to 37 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
The talk has been Bowen kicking Amare's right leg and caused it to bounce up. The picture showed that never happened.
The video showed that Bowen's foot was half a feet away from Amare's left heel.
Bad try.

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg

Look at the back of Amare's left foot.

[MadDog73]

Bowen is not even looking down.

If he was intentionally trying to hurt Amare, wouldn't he be looking to see what he was doing?

Until the league says something, this is all just a tempest in a teapot.

[kps0001]

Bowen is not even looking down.

If he was intentionally trying to hurt Amare, wouldn't he be looking to see what he was doing?

Until the league says something, this is all just a tempest in a teapot.

You should probably go back and read the last 26 pages. Also the league already said they aren't gonna do anything about it.

[cheguevara]

And if a player with a history of questionable tactics came down on Duncan's heel, you'd feel the same way, right?

hell no. I play basketball myself and like the contact. Amore is a fucking baby.

[MadDog73]

You should probably go back and read the last 26 pages. Also the league already said they aren't gonna do anything about it.

I know the league isn't going to do anything... that's my point.

And I don't need to read 26 pages of bullshit to prove it.

[kps0001]

hell no. I play basketball myself and like the contact. Amore is a fucking baby.

LOL. comparing your pickup games to someone who makes millions of dollars playing the game is absurd. NOt to mention the fact that he spent all of last year on the shelf due to an injury and nobody wants to see him there again. Dude was just looking out for himself. Did he do it the right way? Its debatable.

[kps0001]

And I don't need to read 26 pages of bullshit to prove it.

There some pretty humorous stuff in there...but I don't blame you.

[DePastino]

hell no. I play basketball myself and like the contact. Amore is a fucking baby.

Who gives a rat's ass whether you like "contact"?

Your admitted preference for "getting physical" with other sweaty guys aside, what does this have to do with Duncan being injured by another player?

[MadDog73]

Look, accidents happen. Someone talked about all the phsysical contact Bowen plays with throughout a season, and the lack of injuries that results.

If he really was "dirty", there would be a lot more injuries, and he would be suspended, end of story.

Every year, players call out Bowen, trying to get the refs to call more fouls on him. And it usually works. As I said in another thread, expect Bowen to pick up 3 early fouls tomorrow because of all this.

[ambchang]

Well you did say

“Sure someone is dirty and a coward for pulling sneaky crap, just that it wasn't Bowen”

and

“I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.”

But in that same span of time, YOU can determine that he didn't?

Clear enough for you now?

And splitting hairs over the word "kick" is pointless as well. Clearly, the video shows contact. Amare thought it was intentional, so does it matter what word you use? Kick, stomp - whatever.

I have never argued intent, I argued that no contact was ever made. And no, I have no idea how my two quotes would somehow translate to me inferring intent.

[ambchang]

You're an idiot. As said before, Bowen kicks amare, and then that image is captured after he plants his foot AFTER THE KICK! Amare then jumps very oddly with crappy elevation and lands bizarrely because the kick totally messed up his jump.
I suggest you Amare supports / Bowen executioners talk it over. Does the picture show:
a) Bowen kicking Amare's left heel, or
b) Bowen done kicking Amare's right heel, and then planting his foot?

[ambchang]

Bad try.

http://spurstalk.com/brucestep1.jpg

Look at the back of Amare's left foot.
So first it was Bowen kicking Amare's right foot, causing him to throw his leg up during the dunk, and came down hobbling on his RIGHT leg, now, with the video, and the fans apparent inability to understand the difference of a 3D world and a 2D picture, is Bowen stepping on Amare's LEFT heel and causing his RIGHT leg to limp.
Brilliant.

[DePastino]

I have never argued intent, I argued that no contact was ever made. And no, I have no idea how my two quotes would somehow translate to me inferring intent.

My work here is done.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I can easily see this leading to the spurs demise if Bowen is again looked at very closely and getting into foul trouble the rest of the playoffs very early.....

[kps0001]

I suggest you Amare supports / Bowen executioners talk it over. Does the picture show:

b) Bowen done kicking Amare's right heel, and then planting his foot on Amare's left heel?


...and you still contend there was no contact? Intent, severity of the action aside, is there contact?

[kps0001]

I can easily see this leading to the spurs demise if Bowen is again looked at very closely and getting into foul trouble the rest of the playoffs very early.....


Why would you say that when Bowen seemingly does nothing wrong?

[Kori Ellis]

...and you still contend there was no contact? Intent, severity of the action aside, is there contact?

I think the toe of Bowen's shoe perhaps grazed the back of Amare's shoe - but maybe not. :lol

[sunsbum]

Why would you say that when Bowen seemingly does nothing wrong?
:elephant

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Why would you say that when Bowen seemingly does nothing wrong?


because a) the refs are human and susceptible to having their perception changed, b) the refs read newspapers and c) you're too stupid to realize A or B.

[kps0001]

I think the toe of Bowen's shoe perhaps grazed the back of Amare's shoe - but maybe not. :lol


:lol maybe we can get this great debate to 50 pages. :lol

[kps0001]

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5fee0c2d6c.jpg


Nice work! :lol

[Kori Ellis]

:lol maybe we can get this great debate to 50 pages. :lol

:lol Blame the NBA. This space between games leads to ridiculous discussions. It's been this way on this forum for four years. If there's more than 2 days off, it turns to elementary school level discussion :lol

[hater]

If stupid as hell suns fans would stop defending Amare's actions this debate would have been over a looong time ago.

Suns fans listen up, D'antoni and the whole suns organization is embarrassed about this incident and the turmoil it caused. Amare has been told to STFU.

idiots!

[DarrinS]

My work here is done.

I used to play basketball. That is, up until I got injured. I was going for a layup and some knucklehead stepped on the back of my foot. The force was so great that it actually made my shoe come off. I even had a small scratch on my heel. Sure, I wasn't permanently injured, but the psychological damage had been done. After that, I got frightened every time I attacked the basket. I'd think, "will I get stepped on again?". The anxiety was unbearable. To this day, whenever I see a pair of high-tops, I think I'm going to start projectile vomiting or get a case of the hershey squirts.


:depressed

[kps0001]

because a) the refs are human and susceptible to having their perception changed, b) the refs read newspapers and c) you're too stupid to realize A or B.


This is the best thing I have read all day.

So the Spurs demise; the mighty Spurs, with all their talent and rings, will be the result of the refs being human and because they read newspapers? Where in the hell did you pull that one from and what have you been smoking today?


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[kps0001]

If stupid as hell suns fans would stop defending Amare's actions this debate would have been over a looong time ago.

Suns fans listen up, D'antoni and the whole suns organization is embarrassed about this incident and the turmoil it caused. Amare has been told to STFU.

idiots!

but comments like this is certainly worthy of keeping the thread going. That is my point. You guys get so bent out of shape and resort to name calling and elementary school discussions( as your moderator stated) it keeps me entertained and boosts my self confidence.

Keep up the good work!!!!

[kps0001]

I used to play basketball. That is, up until I got injured. I was going for a layup and some knucklehead stepped on the back of my foot. The force was so great that it actually made my shoe come off. I even had a small scratch on my heel. Sure, I wasn't permanently injured, but the psychological damage had been done. After that, I got frightened every time I attacked the basket. I'd think, "will I get stepped on again?". The anxiety was unbearable. To this day, whenever I see a pair of high-tops, I think I'm going to start projectile vomiting or get a case of the hershey squirts.


:depressed


I think they have therapy for this type of stuff. Maybe you and Amare can go together.
:p:

[hater]

'boost my self confidence'

lmao, like your self confidence is gonna matter in game 3.

you should worry about the confidence of pussy ass amare, who is scared to death of the Spurs.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This is the best thing I have read all day.

So the Spurs demise; the mighty Spurs, with all their talent and rings, will be the result of the refs being human and because they read newspapers? Where in the hell did you pull that one from and what have you been smoking today?


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



It's called being a pessimist for sake of anti-jinxing a no-jinx trolling thread, I pulled it from my brain and I haven't smoked anything unless you count chloroform fumes, dude you are a HORRIBLE troll

Come up with something decent

like DECENT at least

this thread is fun still but if you keep up this trolling strategy you'll kill it way before it reaches 50 pages.
:pctoss

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It's like that song by 311: come original

you have to realize this forum has withheld 3 or 4 Mavericks Fans Barrages, not unlike Hurricanes, and you're gonna have to do way better than that


all the shit you're saying

we've heard it before

not only that, but the way you're saying it, we've heard it before

all of it


so find a different strategy or take a lesson from mouse cuz your tactics are akin to that of the Mensheviks of 1917

[kps0001]

It's like that song by 311: come original

you have to realize this forum has withheld 3 or 4 Mavericks Fans Barrages, not unlike Hurricanes, and you're gonna have to do way better than that


all the shit you're saying

we've heard it before

not only that, but the way you're saying it, we've heard it before

all of it


so find a different strategy or take a lesson from mouse cuz your tactics are akin to that of the Mensheviks of 1917


you are a funny guy. I guess the Spurs and its fans are just the best at everything. Since you guys have "handled" the Mavericks fans I must bow to you.

I am just responding to the name calling and childish antics displayed when some Spurs fans can't seem to prove a point. I am not trying to be a "troll" you stated something and I simply asked a question wanting further explanation of your thoughts. It's not my fault you automatically go on the defensive because you realize your statement is pretty weak and posted without much thought. But yeah its always easier just to call names and act like the tough guy than try to explain yourself logically.

[CROD]

Don't wanna throw anymore fuel on the fire but I'm suprised that nobody mentioned the reverse bitch-slap Amare laid on Robery Horry with 6:05 left in the second qtr.
Homeboy slapped him so hard it led to a turnover and an easy score. Figured I would say something since the suns are acting like douchebags.

[ambchang]

...and you still contend there was no contact? Intent, severity of the action aside, is there contact?
No, there was NO contact.
If you felt the youtube view does not show Amare limping on his right leg, check this.
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/recaps/recap_p232_sasphx.asx&video=blank&nbasite=nba
It clearly showed him limping on his RIGHT leg, when everyone is now saying that he was kicked in the LEFT.

[kps0001]

'boost my self confidence'

lmao, like your self confidence is gonna matter in game 3.

you should worry about the confidence of pussy ass amare, who is scared to death of the Spurs.



self confidence not relating to the game. self confidence meaning I can carry on objective conversation with opposing fans without resorting to childish antics and name calling. I can also admit when I am wrong and will even apologize for things I may have said. Some of you should make a go at it.

But hey I am just a "troll' here so I understand why some people can't handle opposing fans comments and get bent out of shape about it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

There is no logical debate when it comes to shit like this.....duh...



sNOOOOOOOOK

[ambchang]

but comments like this is certainly worthy of keeping the thread going. That is my point. You guys get so bent out of shape and resort to name calling and elementary school discussions( as your moderator stated) it keeps me entertained and boosts my self confidence.

Keep up the good work!!!!
To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.

[kps0001]

There is no logical debate when it comes to shit like this.....duh...



sNOOOOOOOOK


Actually there is Lamarcus. You made the comment about this leading to the Spurs demise. I asked for reasons. You gave me them as well as resorting to calling names.

Your reasons assume that 1) this has never been brought to the refs attention before and 2) that they have never paid attention to the media

oh and that I am too stupid to realize both of your reasons but I won't take it personally.

So explain to me, without calling names if that is possible, how you feel that the Spurs demise will be a result of something that has been going on for a lot longer than a few days since this happened and Amare speaking out about it.

If your statement was meant to be more of a joke or anti jinx as you stated; thats all that needed to be said and I probably would have laughed and/or agreed. But yeah I am the one that is trying to start shit here. OK

[sunsbum]

To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.


bowen just admitted that he "may have clipped amare" but he didnt intend any harm
:rolleyes

[kps0001]

To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.

Cool. Gotcha. I think that is much easier for one to understand your thoughts versus saying "suns fans are pussies" ....whatever hopefully you get my point-not saying you did that sort of thing.

I would say it was D but I guess it we will agree to disagree as to the definition of "contact". Thanks for explaining your thoughts logically.
:clap

[k-kwan]

I was just reading through these endless pages of rants and name calling coming from both our camps.

And its sad, its sad that fellow Suns fans are goading Spurs fans into tirades and pissing matches. Its sad that Spurs fans are actively denying that Bowen never even touched Stodemire or jumping back in their statements saying it was unintentional.

logically speaking I dont understand why you would call a man who went through probably the now number one career ruining medical procedure for NBA players. Lost a year of his career, while going through a very painful and tedious rehab. Only to play all next years 82 games become an all-star and all-nba first team a whiner and a baby.

After going through all of that dont you think not just Amare but anyone in general would be a little entitled to voice his distress about almost being potentially injured. And lets not mess around an achillies tear is just as dangerous and career threatening as an mcl and an acl tear.

I wouldnt want that to happen to anyone not my player or one of your own. And thats the point, the game doenst need that "type" defense. I'm not going to call Bowen dirty because we have our own version of Bowen on our team named Bell. But one thing they both do is take the D and intensity over the edge. And its in those moments that actions like what Bowen did last game and what Bell did to Kobe happen.

The game doesnt need that. and fans from both, all sides should not stand for it.

also i guess this thread doesnt even matter now since you dont have to defend your player cause Bowen came to the media and apologized for the incident.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Actually there is Lamarcus. You made the comment about this leading to the Spurs demise. I asked for reasons. You gave me them as well as resorting to calling names.

Your reasons assume that 1) this has never been brought to the refs attention before and 2) that they have never paid attention to the media

oh and that I am too stupid to realize both of your reasons but I won't take it personally.

So explain to me, without calling names if that is possible, how you feel that the Spurs demise will be a result of something that has been going on for a lot longer than a few days since this happened and Amare speaking out about it.

If your statement was meant to be more of a joke or anti jinx as you stated; thats all that needed to be said and I probably would have laughed and/or agreed. But yeah I am the one that is trying to start shit here. OK


look at the title of the thread brah

there is no debate here

you either are always going to think bruce is dirty or you wont

none of us do
deal with it
brah

[kps0001]

look at the title of the thread brah

there is no debate here

you either are always going to think bruce is dirty or you wont

none of us do
deal with it
brah

Things really slip by you Lamarcus. I am not looking to debate as you apparently are. If you can't carry on a conversation on a message board without debating or trying to prove someone else wrong than you are going to have some issues in real life. Explain your thoughts logically or don't post its as easy as that. Sometimes I may agree with you sometimes I may not but you simply won't give anyone, actually Suns fans, an opportunity. You still have failed to explain yourself.

BTW, I don't think Bowen is dirty so deal with that, brah!

[ambchang]

http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick.jpg
http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick_diagram.jpg

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

[timvp]

http://www.perrysplace.com/images/products/ScuffRemover-SM.jpg

A little of this and the controversy could have ended after page 1.

[k-kwan]

http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick.jpg
http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick_diagram.jpg

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

um thas after the contact was made.....

[hater]

LMAO, this is getting ridiculous.

ppl be patient, game 3 is coming. :lol

[Catharsis]

If stupid as hell suns fans would stop defending Amare's actions this debate would have been over a looong time ago.

Suns fans listen up, D'antoni and the whole suns organization is embarrassed about this incident and the turmoil it caused. Amare has been told to STFU.

idiots!
If the insurgents in Iraq would just give up the war would be over!

[DarrinS]

This just in...

Bruce is planning either a paper cut attack or a hangnail scratch for game 3.

[kps0001]

Mike Finger: With opponent on heels, Amare plays the victim

Web Posted: 05/10/2007 11:41 PM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

Gregg Popovich admitted he was fighting the urge to overreact and do something "silly." Tony Parker was trying to decide if he needed to be more aggressive. And Robert Horry, with his own playful ideas on how to reclaim some momentum, even invoked the name of Jackie Butler.
But then?

Amare Stoudemire opened his mouth and provided the Spurs with the only adjustment they needed.

As much as people talk about lineup changes and strategic moves this time of year, nothing shakes up an NBA playoff series quite like a slip of the tongue. So when Stoudemire blasted Bruce Bowen on Thursday and accused the Spurs of being a "dirty team," he might have thought he was simply blowing the whistle and calling out an opponent.

But at a point when the Suns should have finally been feeling strong and confident against their biggest nemesis, wasn't Stoudemire just turning them into victims all over again?

For years, Phoenix had struggled to put itself in the position it reached on Tuesday. The Spurs had beaten the Suns in 16 of the teams' last 20 meetings, including five of the last six in the playoffs. During that time, there was a growing perception that the Spurs were the one team capable of getting into the Suns' fast-breaking heads.

But after a blowout Phoenix victory in Game 2, it was suddenly Popovich's team that had to figure out how to regroup.

With three days off between Games 2 and 3, the Suns could have spent that time smiling and swaggering and allowing doubt to creep into the minds of Parker, who had trouble being chased by Shawn Marion, and Manu Ginobili, who still hasn't found his postseason stroke, and Bowen, who hasn't slowed down Steve Nash as much as he'd hoped.

But when Bowen heard about Stoudemire's comments Thursday, didn't he have to laugh a little inside? A huge part of his game is making an opponent uncomfortable, and Stoudemire all but confirmed Bowen is doing his job against the Suns.

After viewing the clip of Bowen's kick on YouTube — which already boasts almost as many Bruce Bowen "cheap shot" videos as it does of animals playing musical instruments — it's understandable why Stoudemire might be a bit perturbed.

But to take his frustration public? After a victory?

That's not the best way to show the tables have turned. The only possible upside for Phoenix would be the league suspending Bowen, and that didn't happen.

Sure, Stoudemire isn't the first to complain about Bowen's defensive tactics. But run down the list of the most vocal critics: Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Isiah Thomas, Flip Saunders and Cuttino Mobley.

What do they have in common? Losing records against the Spurs, and zero playoff series victories against Bowen.

It seldom pays to voice frustration about an opposing player's transgressions, and the Spurs know this firsthand. One of the only times they've really made a fuss about a perceived cheap shot in recent years was last year in the conference semifinals against Dallas, when Jason Terry's fist landed below Michael Finley's belt.

Remember how that turned out? Terry was suspended for Game 6, then came back fired up and scored 27 points in Game 7 to help the Mavericks win the series.

Bowen, in all likelihood, will react the same way, just like he usually has.

There was a hiccup earlier this season when Thomas' complaints prompted a league official to warn Bowen about placing his foot under jump shooters, making Bowen a bit tentative for a while after that. But that was because the NBA was questioning his entire defensive approach. In this case, the only thing the league can really do would be to tell him to stop kicking players in their calves.

Chances are, Bowen can still guard while adhering to those guidelines. And when his pestering style becomes the focal point of the series, making the Suns look like the victims instead of the conquerors?

The Suns can thank Stoudemire for the adjustment.

[Trainwreck2100]

I find it funny that his teammates/coach aren't backing him up

[ambchang]

um thas after the contact was made.....
This is absolutely ridiculous, could you let me know how in the world can Bowen kick Amare's left heel, and have his foot pointed outwards, all within the split second where Amare can only lift up an inch off the ground.
If you are saying that it was the RIGHT leg Bowen kicked, a previous photo has already conclusively shown that it was impossible.
And I have yet to find ANY pictures that you guys can come up with that can even remotely show that Bowen kicked Amare's right leg, where we have seen a picture where conclusively showed it's impossible for Bowen to have done so.
The picture where people alleged showed Bowen kicked Amare in the left heel is contradictory to my above picture, and contradicts Amare's reaction after he was limping on his right leg.

[k-kwan]

sorry ambchang but the frame you captured was at the end point of the swing of his foot after he made contact with Amare half way through his swing.

[ambchang]

sorry ambchang but the frame you captured was at the end point of the swing of his foot after he made contact with Amare half way through his swing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
This is the video, please tell me when the contact was made, and tell me which leg Bowen kicked, left or right.

[kyle macy]

http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick.jpg
http://greenteaauctions.com/ambchang/bowen_kick_diagram.jpg

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

Classic! Love the photoshop, I was happy just reading this thread, but that is hilarious. Props to you.

[kyle macy]

It's the playoffs, anyone who is not "dirty" at some point is just plain soft.