Stoudemire and Diaw have to be Suspended

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

using the number of free throws is the worst possible argument. It just shows that for once the Spurs are getting called for fould they commit. They are a good defensive team, but also commit A LOT of contact each and every play, and are getting called for it when it is to much. The officiaiting was very fair for once like I said, and the Spurs failed when it mattered. It's because they are not nearly as talented as the Suns, and need a lot of help to keep up with a team like them and the Mavs.

:lol

That's right, it's fair when Raja elbows people like Oberto. When Bowen knees Nash the Spurs are obviously cheaters and the league is helping them out.

You're not even a good troll. At least bring the logic up to a fifth grade level.

[Spider TX]

Fans like you are just as boring as your damn team. You whine and cry every time a Duncan shot off the glass doesn't go in (which is rare), because you think the only possible way he misses a shot is because he's fouled. if he were 10-17 shooting in a game, you would whine saying he must have been fouled 7 times, maybe even more, but he's just so good that they should always go in. Manu is a terrible shooter when he tries to get inside, but you always try and cry foul when he misses.

The Spurs lost last night because they faltered down the stretch and the Suns defense stepped up, but when the Spurs had a chance to hit a big basket and bring it to a 1 point game right before the foul, Manu missed a wide open layin. Not even a Suns player anywhere close. That my friend, was hysterical, and a big contributing facto to the loss.

[Spider TX]

I hope Stoudemire is out for the rest of the series.

At this point, would be the only chance the Spurs have.

[Gros Membres!]

TrueHoop (ESPNs basketball blog) breaks down the refs and their calls from a non-biased angle and ends up with the Suns +5, in the fourth quarter alone. If you do not understand the meaning of a +5 I suggest you do. For the actual analysis check out - http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-24-65/Phoenix-Got-the-Calls.html
Mods please remove if this is an unacceptable link. Thanks.

As far as the Suns being better and getting a 4 game sweep, not so sure about that. In fact, it's just not the case. The series is tied 2-2. In reality. Calls could have gone either way but games were won convincingly by both squads. I find the argument that the Suns are BETTER basketball players to be just ridiculous and entrenched firmly in fandom - would you take Tim Duncan or Stoudemire first in a draft? Me, I'd take Timmy every time (Better defender, low post player, jump shooter, leader, wouldn't leave the bench, etc). Nash or Parker? I'd go Nash here. Manu or Marion? Toss up for me. I like Manu's intangibles more.

I am slightly embarrassed for a Suns fan who would actually believes in the line of logic that the Spurs have gotten all the breaks and should have been swept. I would check this TrueHoop article and get back to me. So far it has been a series of intangibles and D'Antonio said himself at the press conference that the series has been a matter of baskets separating wins from losses. Right now it's a split and I'm curious to see just how much the league will break the rules for Stoudemire's own stupidity.

[Oh, Gee!!]

At this point, would be the only chance the Spurs have.


a win is a win

[sammy]

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you really that dillusional of a fan? Your team absolutely chokes the game away when it matter, the Suns hit their shots, and you go and cry like this about the officiating, which was extremely fair tonight for the first time in the series. The Spurs have gotten every break from the officials up till now, but even then, I realize the Suns cost themselves game 3 for the most part even with bad officiating putting Amare on the bench most of that game. The refs did absolutely nothing to cost the Spurs game 4 last night, the Spurs did that to themselves. And then on top of that, Horry becomes the damn child that he is and lays the small Nash out like that.

The ONLY way the Spurs manage to win this series is if Amare and Diaw happen to be suspended, because the Suns are far and away the more talented team, and without the help of the officials, this series very well could have already been over with a quick 4 game sweep by the Suns. The Spurs are good, don't get me wrong, but they need extra help when facing a team like this who is clearly better than them.

Your fucking team got bailed out! Give me a break! With all of the whining and crying like bitches they had the refs with them! These assholes on your team get away with cheap shots and no calls or suspensions! Game 1 Bell throws an elbow to Manu's head, Game 2 Diaw/Barbosa undercuts Parker and Game 3 Marion rakes a hand across Manu's eye and no fines or suspensions!
Rules are rules, it's not the Spurs fault if Diaw and Stoudemire has the brains of a pea! They knew better than to run out on the court! The Spurs bench didn't do that so give me a break! Diaw has been a non-factor in this series and Stoudemire has been in foul trouble so it won't matter we can still win anyway, but the rules are rules! It will set a precident that any player can run onto the floor when there is a fight if they don't enforce it!

[somerset]

Spoo fans are the dumbest fans on earth period. They have nothing else in that dirty stinky town. They are the dumbest people on the planet. They act as if they know everything about basketball because that cheap dirty team won 2 (TWO) championships so they think they know all about the the game. They are PRAYING the two Suns starters get suspended for doing nothing. Support a technicality of a rule that had absolutly nothing to do with this game. You idiots should say the rule is dumb and absolutly should not apply here period. Anyone who supports the two Suns to get suspened over NOTHING, you are selfish losers who need to stop watching basketball , go get therapy and quit leaving ur pathetic llife through a dirty cheap NBA team known as Spoo's. Now all you Spoo fans go fuck yourselves and shower everyday. Maybe that will help with the city stinch

[Spider TX]

Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness.

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.

And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe.

The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.

[Gros Membres!]

Spoo fans are the dumbest fans on earth period. They have nothing else in that dirty stinky town. They are the dumbest people on the planet. They act as if they know everything about basketball because that cheap dirty team won 2 (TWO) championships so they think they know all about the the game. They are PRAYING the two Suns starters get suspended for doing nothing. Support a technicality of a rule that had absolutly nothing to do with this game. You idiots should say the rule is dumb and absolutly should not apply here period. Anyone who supports the two Suns to get suspened over NOTHING, you are selfish losers who need to stop watching basketball , go get therapy and quit leaving ur pathetic llife through a dirty cheap NBA team known as Spoo's. Now all you Spoo fans go fuck yourselves and shower everyday. Maybe that will help with the city stinch
Thanks for chiming in.

Just for the record, it is 3 championships. My bath is calling me...:lol :lol :lol

[mabber]

Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness.

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.
And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe.

The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.

:lol Duncan does a lot of things better than Amare.

[Spider TX]

a win is a win

In that sense, you are absolutely right. But for you to plea for that help to get that win is pretty lame.

[Amare_32]

If JRich and Bowen are allowed to play then the NBA has no justification for suspending Horry,Diaw or Stoudemire. Besides that I don't think the League will actually suspend anybody. The last thing they need is critcs saying the series was tainted as a result of the suspensions. Besides how are they going to prove that Amare had any intent other then checking back into the game? No punches were thrown. Amare did not go running up to Horry to confront him. The refs never lost control of the situation.

[Spider TX]

:lol Duncan does a lot of things better than Amare.

No, in all reality, thats about the only thing he does better, because if you want to argue defense, then you may be fair with that, but he sure as hell cannot stop Amare, and when playing against one another, thats when it matter.

Oh, he can also have that whiny what did I do wrong face better. So I'll give you that.

[Oh, Gee!!]

In that sense, you are absolutely right. But for you to plea for that help to get that win is pretty lame.

dude, you have like 3 posts. Shut up

[Spider TX]

well thought out response Gee! Proud of you.

[DDS4]

I don't want any suspensions at all.

But I'm pretty shocked that Horry lost his cool.

[Booyah30]

I heard the decision will be made at 12:00 eastern time

[Gino20]

If JRich and Bowen are allowed to play then the NBA has no justification for suspending Horry,Diaw or Stoudemire. Besides that I don't think the League will actually suspend anybody. The last thing they need is critcs saying the series was tainted as a result of the suspensions. Besides how are they going to prove that Amare had any intent other then checking back into the game? No punches were thrown. Amare did not go running up to Horry to confront him. The refs never lost control of the situation.

It does not matter if he had intent or not. You can make an arguement both ways regarding this topic. Checking back into the game requires the player to stay off the court till he successfully checks in. Amare clearly left the bench and stepped on the court. If they were serious about Amare checking backing into the game, why was the assitant holding him back? I am sorry, but everyone knows that is just a cover up. I don't think the league will buy it. Just to add, I don't want anyone to get suspended either...

[Kermit]

No, in all reality, thats about the only thing he does better, because if you want to argue defense, then you may be fair with that, but he sure as hell cannot stop Amare, and when playing against one another, thats when it matter.

Oh, he can also have that whiny what did I do wrong face better. So I'll give you that.

he throws amare shit all the time. duncan owns amare.

[Amare_32]

It does not matter if he had intent or not. You can make an arguement both ways regarding this topic. Checking back into the game requires the player to stay off the court till he successfully checks in. Amare clearly left the bench and stepped on the court. If they were serious about Amare checking backing into the game, why was the assitant holding him back? I am sorry, but everyone knows that is just a cover up. I don't think the league will buy it. Just to add, I don't want anyone to get suspended either...

Yes it might be a cover but the League might use that to avoid suspending players. I doubt Stern wants to subject himself to criticisms if the suspensions cost the Suns a chance to win the series.

[Amare_32]

I heard the decision will be made at 12:00 eastern time


For real?

[Gros Membres!]

Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness. [QUOTE=Spider TX]

Hilarious. I actually enjoy breaking down the game in terms of +/- and not just watching the highlights on ESPN. If you look at the play-by-play analysis you can see where some of the momentum changes (Duncan's erroneous charge, strange moving charge call with a flop by Bell, bad call on the TD travel - pivot foot was planted, and Parker's foul on Barbosa's +1 - same play not called on the other end). I hate to see the Spurs whine and will not proceed to call refs and say the Spurs are more talented, etc. I just think it's interesting that the Suns were +5 in the 4th on San Antonio's home court after a week of Stoudemire calling the Spurs dirty.


[QUOTE=Spider TX] As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.
[QUOTE=Spider TX]

I would say Tim is a better defender in the low-post. Hence, the Kurt Thomas experiment. Plus, I appreciate the art of great D more than showboat O.


[QUOTE=Spider TX] And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe. [QUOTE=Spider TX]

Perfect. I like Marion's length. Where you dislike Gino's inside game I really cannot stand Marion's lowpost game. Oh, wait. He doesn't have one.

[QUOTE=Spider TX] The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.
:lol :lol It's called basketball and there is some strategy involved. Not necessarily the Nash thing but I do belive getting Amare in foul trouble was part of a strategy and it worked.

I'll be curious to see how this suspension business pans out. I'd be really, really suprised if it happens. I would hope Suns fans also want to see the Spurs at full strength.

[Booyah30]

Yup

[Gino20]

Yes it might be a cover but the League might use that to avoid suspending players. I doubt Stern wants to subject himself to criticisms if the suspensions cost the Suns a chance to win the series.

I would agree with you, but it is pretty obvious...We all know how Stern operates in these situations as well. He is damn strict! Which sucks sometimes....

[Soul_Patch]

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.


This has to be the most ludicrous shit ive ever heard. Id like to see one person (who isnt a blind homer) agree with you.


Amare owns TD one on one?!?! have you ever seen a suns v spurs basketball game?

If amare can ever get his head out of his ass long enough to stay on teh court and play, Duncan absolutely dominates him 1v1. The ONLY way Amare puts up the numbers he does is because he has a guard who draws defense away from him and gives him open runs at the hoop.


You have seriously shown some really blind ignorance in those two posts...wow.

[Spider TX]

TD cannot stop Amare when he wants to go at the rim. Never happens. At the same time, Amare has no chance to stop Duncan either.

And to answer a seperate question, Yes I want the Spurs at full strength, I think the suspensions get ridiculous in the NBA. Just fine them like in the NFL, which is a real league run well, but always questioning suspensions just gets old.

[Amare_32]

Letter of NBA law defies its spirit
By Tim Keown
Page 2

Your move, NBA. Are you going to suspend Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw for leaving the bench after Robert Horry checked Steve Nash into the scorer's table? Or, in an unlikely fit of common sense, are you going to assess the situation reasonably and throw down some show-trial fines and be done with it?




AP Photo/Lm Otero
After Robert Horry leveled Steve Nash, will the NBA level the Suns by suspending Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw for leaving the bench?It's not a matter of understanding the rule. Clearly, the rule states that any player leaving the bench to join an altercation is to be suspended for a game. At least.

But we're talking about two of the Suns' best players who left the bench and never mixed it up. We're talking about the best playoff series going -- probably the best one we'll see, period.

You want to hand it over to the team that committed the cheap shot? That's what a suspension of Stoudemire and Diaw will do. The NBA is faced with flexing a little on an unnecessarily inflexible rule or running the risk of allowing Horry to win the series with a cheap, flagrant foul on one of the league's marquee players.

Diaw and Stoudemire should have known better, no question. Still, their franchise guy was down. They didn't know whether he was hurt, or how badly. They reacted, then unreacted, with the idea of sticking up for Nash.

Adding to the emotion is the behind-the-woodshed treatment Nash has received the whole series, and it's not surprising their first thought wasn't, "Oh, golly, I better stay here and let the authorities handle it."

So tough call, NBA, but not really.

Think of it this way: You're never going to have a league of competitive guys who don't react by heading toward Nash in that situation. And you shouldn't want one.

This Week's List


• One thing Horry accomplished: Made Bruce Bowen look good.

• One guy who probably watched the Nash-Horry episode and thought, "OK, maybe they'll forget about me for 24 hours": Baron Davis.

• Maybe a guy like Carlos Boozer, to put a name to a concept: Derek Fisher might not have been upset about Davis' late-game, low-class elbow throw -- Fisher's comments were gentlemanly -- but some of his teammates might have other ideas the next time Davis comes hopping down the lane.

• Right now, I'm thinking a few weeks in a glass case hovering over a London intersection would be a perfect idea: Go away, David Blaine, and take your magnets with you.

• Mehmet Okur: What Dirk Nowitzki was supposed to be.

• When Greg Oden's name is called first in this year's NBA draft, remember two things: (1) Tim Duncan against the Suns and; (2) when a guy can move and score and control the block, big still matters -- a lot.

• It's not so much a shot as a deflection: Has anyone ever shot the ball quicker and with less motion than Brent Barry?

• Nobody plays harder: Russell Martin.

• Just for the heck of it: Don Money.

• The ridiculous magic of the 84 mph fastball: Old Greg Maddux played the role of young Greg Maddux on Monday night, finishing a 96-pitch complete game after needing just 77 through eight shutout innings.

• There's command, and then there's this: Maddux didn't go to a three-ball count on a hitter until two were out in the ninth.

• Then again: The Reds haven't put up much opposition these days.

• And for those of you who prefer the Livan Hernandez motif: Dice-K needed 124 pitches for his complete game Monday.

• About as riveting as "The Cafferty File," and bringing you as much excitement as a Paul Harvey marathon, it's: The Eastern Conference playoffs, inferior every single year.

• Or you could just cast wild 3s at the end of a one-on-four "break" and hope for the best: If the Warriors want to play past Tuesday night, they might want to post up Jason Richardson on Derek Fisher every chance they get.

• At my personal sports book, "What The Case May Be" is favored by two touchdowns: Commenting on his fast recovery from finger surgery, Terrell Owens said, "I don't know if I have special healing powers, or what the case may be."

• Forgive my bad memory, but what part of "nappy-headed ho" was directed at Reverend Al? In a truly momentous question for our time, Lou Dobbs asked Al Sharpton whether he will ever forgive Don Imus.

• And finally, after the game they all hit the streets and obeyed all traffic signals: During Game 2 of the Warriors-Jazz series in Utah, they actually played "If You're Happy And You Know It" over the arena PA, and the rhythmic clapping was vigorous.

[VincentG]

Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

"In this circumstance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.

[Gino20]

Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

"In this circumstance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.

If I am correct, wasn't this a completely different situation? I believe it was a fight that broke out in a tunnel or something and before the infamous Palace brawl...

[Amare_32]

Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

"In this circumstance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.

If they have that on tape I am sure the League office has it already.

[SpurYank]

Yeah, but what I want to know is, are you Mav fans having fun watching the NBA playoffs?

[freedom&justice]

A historical question: Could Robert Horry's cheap shot on Steve Nash in Game 4 be the biggest shot of his career?

The trey Horry nailed to destroy the Sacramento Kings' NBA title hopes in 2002 did nothing compared to the damage his forearm could do to the Phoenix Suns, who until the final 18 seconds of Monday night's critical Game 4 were tougher than the San Antonio Spurs. The forearm buried Nash underneath the scorer's table, but most importantly, it incited Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw to charge onto the court from the bench -- which all but guarantees them a suspension for Game 5 in Phoenix.



Hey, they don't call him Big Shot Bob for nothing.



If the NBA hands out the expected suspensions, the Spurs will lose only the whopping seven points per game Horry is averaging in this series. Meanwhile, Phoenix will lose two of its top six players and a serious chance to put the Spurs' neck in a guillotine.



Is it fair? No. Is it right? Absolutely. The NBA doesn't have much choice but to suspend Horry, Stoudemire and Diaw for Game 5.



The rule about players leaving the bench is there to prevent situations from escalating into utter embarrassments. It's an ironclad rule that isn't open to interpretation, and it can't be applied differently because it adversely affects one team more than the other. In fact, the point of the rule is to affect teams so adversely they don't break it.



If the league does nothing to Stoudemire and Diaw, it will set an awful precedent and send the message that the rules are vulnerable to perception and public outcry. As if the Suns are the only team in NBA history that can claim this rule puts them at an unfair disadvantage.



And there's no way Stoudemire just was ambling to the scorer's table to check back into the game, as he claimed afterward. Give him (or the Suns' PR rep) credit for coming up with such a cute excuse. But go watch the replay. Stoudemire broke out into a Carl Lewis-like sprint toward the on-court scrum -- looking like he wanted to do to Horry what Uma Thurman did to David Carradine in the final scene of "Kill Bill: Vol. 2" -- which weakens Stoudemire's creative explanation.

Look, I get why Stoudemire and Diaw rushed to Nash's defense. Nash is their boy, and teammates are obligated to stick up for one another -- especially in a series that has grown as testy as this one. The Spurs were behaving uncharacteristically graceless, and Horry's forearm of frustration was exacted because the Spurs blew an 11-point lead late in the game -- and thus a golden opportunity to put their foot on Phoenix's neck.

But given how commissioner David Stern has shown zero tolerance for player misconduct since the Detroit-Indiana brawl, what Stoudemire and Diaw did simply wasn't smart. And by the way, did you notice how the Spurs' bench stayed put, further undermining Stoudemire's contrived explanation?



You'd have thought the Suns would have learned from Raja Bell's one-game playoff suspension against the Lakers last year. Bell's clothesline on Kobe Bryant could have cost the Suns that series.



The Spurs are much stronger than the Lakers, and losing Stoudemire and Diaw will hurt a whole lot more than losing Bell. Even if the league decides to suspend Horry for two games, Phoenix will be affected much more.



Of course, this is going to fuel speculation that Horry's cheap shot was on purpose. But all it does is show exactly how much the Spurs are in Phoenix's head.



The Suns won Game 4, but the Spurs are winning the mental war. The Suns' gritty victory was powerful enough to change this series permanently in their direction, but they've now given the power back to the Spurs with one bad decision.

The Spurs maintain a certain advantage as long they can yank Phoenix's chain whenever they want. And Big Shot Bob's reputation for delivering in the playoffs continues to be well-deserved.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070515

[Marcus Bryant]

Welcome to today's pussified NBA.

[Marcus Bryant]

D'Antoni's histrionics may have cost him.

[Marcus Bryant]

As many elbows and cheap shots that Raja Bell delivers night in and night out he probably should be suspended for an entire season.

[somerset]

Thanks for chiming in.

Just for the record, it is 3 championships. My bath is calling me...:lol :lol :lol


No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.

[LEONARD]

horry shouldn't be suspended. he just gave nash a body check. about as rough as raja's mid-air body check of parker earlier in the game. horry shouldn't be suspended just because nash is a *lol* 2-time mvp and because the suns bench's chodes exploded

um, elbow thrown at Raja's face???

[Marcus Bryant]

No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.

No doubt Sun Fan is a master of unintended comedy.

[Gino20]

No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.

That * is more then what the Suns have right? Thought so....If you are gonna knock a team that has championships, at least make sure you have a good arguement. Otherwise, you look dumb. Since you wanna knock people, at least TRY to use appropriate punctuation marks. It appears you are still in middle school....Don't feel good does it?

[LEONARD]

you mean when horry pushed the little gadly away with his Forearm

LOL...you're right...I'm sure the league sees it that way :lol

[Mixability]

So since some people were all "a rule is a rule", so it's all fair if Bowen and Duncan are out too?

[MadDog73]

So since some people were all "a rule is a rule", so it's all fair if Bowen and Duncan are out too?


Sigh. For the 100th time, the rule is about "altercations."

There wasn't an "altercation" when Tim stepped over the line. He was just celebrating Elson's dunk.

[ManuMagic]

No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.

Spoo? Did they start giving out computers with internet connections to retards in Phoenix?

[Mixability]

Sigh. For the 100th time, the rule is about "altercations."

There wasn't an "altercation" when Tim stepped over the line. He was just celebrating Elson's dunk.

Jones knocked Elson to the floor and TD went on the floor.
Horry knocked Nash to the floor and Amare went on the floor.

And didn't Bowen, according to reports, have to restrain TD from his "celebration"?

[Kori Ellis]

Jones knocked Elson to the floor and TD went on the floor.
Horry knocked Nash to the floor and Amare went on the floor.

And didn't Bowen, according to reports, have to restrain TD from his "celebration"?

Jones-Elson would not be ruled an altercation by the league.

Nash-Horry would.

But the league doesn't have to suspended Diaw/Stoudemire if they decide rule that they didn't leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. There's no hard line. But going past the coaches box line and onto the floor might do them in. I hope not.

[Trainwreck2100]

Jones-Elson would not be ruled an altercation by the league.

Nash-Horry would.

But the league doesn't have to suspended Diaw/Stoudemire if they decide rule that they didn't leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. There's no hard line. But going past the coaches box line and onto the floor might do them in. I hope not.


Wouldn't horry-bell be the ruled altercation, cause nash was on the floor when the big shit went down

[SpursWoman]

No doubt Sun Fan is a master of unintended comedy.


No doubt. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Wouldn't horry-bell be the ruled altercation, cause nash was on the floor when the big shit went down

To me Nash-Horry-Bell is all the same altercation. Horry hip checking Nash - Nash getting up and grabbing Horry's jersey - Horry elbowing/forearming Bell in the face. Same incident.

[T Park]

the only way the spurs win game 5 is if Stoudamire and Diaw get suspended.


Period.

[Kori Ellis]

the only way the spurs win game 5 is if Stoudamire and Diaw get suspended.


Period.
:lol The Spurs would probably lose game 5 with them out. The Spurs suck when key players are missing from the other team.

[CosmicCowboy]

anyone have a link to film of the whole altercation?

[lurker]

Imagine Amare, Boris, Timmy and Bruce not being in the next game. :lol I don't think they'll hand out suspensions now that it's known two Spurs did the same thing.

[sunsbum]

Jones knocked Elson to the floor and TD went on the floor.
Horry knocked Nash to the floor and Amare went on the floor.

And didn't Bowen, according to reports, have to restrain TD from his "celebration"?
:clap :clap

once again, you seem to be the only spurs poster who left their homer goggles at home.

[texasqb2]

the only way the spurs win game 5 is if Stoudamire and Diaw get suspended.


Period.


That is probably one of the dumbest posts I have seen in my history of a being a Spurs fan

[Mixability]

Jones-Elson would not be ruled an altercation by the league.

Nash-Horry would.

But the league doesn't have to suspended Diaw/Stoudemire if they decide rule that they didn't leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. There's no hard line. But going past the coaches box line and onto the floor might do them in. I hope not.

:tu

I'm just tired of hearing all the "suspend Amare" talk. I'll be happy with a Spurs win, but not with suspensions. Turn in your Spurs fan card if you're lobbying for a suspension just so the Spurs have a better chance to win. I never thought I'd see the day when so many of "us" turned into little Mark Cubans. :pctoss

We were up 2-1 against a full strength Suns team, so why not show a little faith in the Silver & Black and believe that we can go 2-1 in the next three.

[T Park]

The Spurs would probably lose game 5 with them out. The Spurs suck when key players are missing from the other team.

eh, maybe, but the Spurs would prob pull it out.


I've never wanted to throw my jersey in a trash can before, until last night.

Embarassed and pissed are not good enough adjectives for what I was feeling.

[T Park]

That is probably one of the dumbest posts I have seen in my history of a being a Spurs fan


you havent been around long enough obviously.

Ive been here since 02.

[ManuMagic]

Fuck it, let's just throw out any enforcement of the rules and start counting dunks by the Spurs for 4 points and any shot by the Suns for 1 point. Rules don't matter - let's fuck 'em all!!!

[T Park]

I'll be happy with a Spurs win, but not with suspensions

oh come on....

[Mixability]

eh, maybe, but the Spurs would prob pull it out.


I've never wanted to throw my jersey in a trash can before, until last night.

Embarassed and pissed are not good enough adjectives for what I was feeling.

Well, if that jersey was a #5 jersey, I feel ya.

Disappointed is what I am, this was an isolated incident by a single player, but I can't help but feel, "this isn't the kind of team I want to be a fan of".

[ManuMagic]

eh, maybe, but the Spurs would prob pull it out.


I've never wanted to throw my jersey in a trash can before, until last night.

Embarassed and pissed are not good enough adjectives for what I was feeling.


The NBA already has your money, now they can fuck you and every fan over all they want because the fans don't have the balls to boycott this shit for horrible play, horrible officiating, and a striking resemblence to professional wrestling.

[MadDog73]

:lol The Spurs would probably lose game 5 with them out. The Spurs suck when key players are missing from the other team.


QFT.


For the record, I don't think anybody should be suspended, except Horry and possibly Bell.

And Spurs fans are starting to sound like Amare complaining about the refs....

Just stop it. Spurs choked, Nash kicked ass. This is a gret series.

I'm sorry the Spurs lost, but I still think they can win the series. The good news is at least Friday will be casual day at work! (Home playoff games are casual days).

[Mixability]

oh come on....

No, I'm serious. I might be alone in this, but I know a win is a win, but a win against a team with all their players is much more satisfying.

[Trainwreck2100]

QFT.


For the record, I don't think anybody should be suspended, except Horry and possibly Bell.


As soon as horry did it I said he's out for the next game, i don't care who from pho. gets suspended, but somebody has to, they can't get a pass for their stupidity.

[texasqb2]

I just watched the tape over and and over on ESPN....here's my take

I think Horry is looking at a 2-3 game suspension.
I would expect Raja Bell to be suspended for 1 game and I also think Stoudamire will also be suspended for a game. I don't think Diaw came onto the court enough to warrant the suspension for him.

[Jimcs50]

I just watched the tape over and and over on ESPN....here's my take

I think Horry is looking at a 2-3 game suspension.
I would expect Raja Bell to be suspended for 1 game and I also think Stoudamire will also be suspended for a game. I don't think Diaw came onto the court enough to warrant the suspension for him.


Diaw did come onto the court...watch it again

[texasqb2]

No, I'm serious. I might be alone in this, but I know a win is a win, but a win against a team with all their players is much more satisfying.

this is a dumb comment too....this is the NBA playoffs, I don't care who they suit our or who they can suit out, a win is a win and one step closer to an NBA Championship

[texasqb2]

Diaw did come onto the court...watch it again

Maybe I didn't get a good view or he didn't come as close to the altercation as Amare did...Amare will get suspended for sure

[DampierAmGod]

Any Spurs fan asking for a suspension is just scared of the Suns. Give me a break you little girls, Amare didn't touch anyone and barely got away from the bench. It's the playoffs, you don't let some stupid ass rule dictate a series. And make no mistake, suspending Amare and Diaw essentially gives the Spurs the series.

Funny, I don't really seem to notice Spurs fans standing tall with their rule books held high when Bowen kicks someone in the achilles or throws an elbow or lands a knee to someones groin or just happens to have his foot planted where a shooter is going to land. Quit your griping and let everyone play and lets see who the best team is.

The only player who should be gone is Horry and he hasn't done shit in this series anyway.

[ManuMagic]

Any Spurs fan asking for a suspension is just scared of the Suns. Give me a break you little girls, Amare didn't touch anyone and barely got away from the bench. It's the playoffs, you don't let some stupid ass rule dictate a series. And make no mistake, suspending Amare and Diaw essentially gives the Spurs the series.

Funny, I don't really seem to notice Spurs fans standing tall with their rule books held high when Bowen kicks someone in the achilles or throws an elbow or lands a knee to someones groin or just happens to have his foot planted where a shooter is going to land. Quit your griping and let everyone play and lets see who the best team is.

The only player who should be gone is Horry and he hasn't done shit in this series anyway.

They should suspend everyone and shut down the league right now. It's turned to complete trash, so fuck it all to hell.

[Soul_Patch]

Im still baffled at the guy trying to compare Amare Stoudamire to Tim Duncan.


Amare Stoudamire is rated as high as he is because of the fact he has Steve Nash feeding him wide open passes. Sure he is athletic, and can dunk the hell out of a wide open ball (sometimes), but he has less basketball IQ than me, and i suck. Spurs defense has picked him apart repeatedly this series alone, including a one on one nothing but ball block by duncan in last nights game.

His defense on duncan is even more attrocious. They cant even put him on duncan because he will foul out in the first quarter.

absolutely insane.

:dizzy

[Trainwreck2100]

Any Spurs fan asking for a suspension is just scared of the Suns. Give me a break you little girls, Amare didn't touch anyone and barely got away from the bench. It's the playoffs, you don't let some stupid ass rule dictate a series. And make no mistake, suspending Amare and Diaw essentially gives the Spurs the series.

Funny, I don't really seem to notice Spurs fans standing tall with their rule books held high when Bowen kicks someone in the achilles or throws an elbow or lands a knee to someones groin or just happens to have his foot planted where a shooter is going to land. Quit your griping and let everyone play and lets see who the best team is.

The only player who should be gone is Horry and he hasn't done shit in this series anyway.

Bowen's shit isn't explicitly punished by a one game suspension.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why aren't you fishing?

[DampierAmGod]

Bowen's shit isn't explicitly punished by a one game suspension.

So you are proving me right then. Thanks.

[Mixability]

this is a dumb comment too....this is the NBA playoffs, I don't care who they suit our or who they can suit out, a win is a win and one step closer to an NBA Championship

So by whatever means necessary, as long as we win? Ok, while we're at it, lets send Butler in there to take out Marion and have Beno hit Nash on the nose with his purse. :rolleyes

This isn't how the Spurs win. They strategically pick apart defenses and stifle offenses. They never needed help from Stern/Jackson before, why start now?

[ManuMagic]

So you are proving me right then. Thanks.

Nobody has proven you right, but you have proven yourself to be a fan of a team who lost to an 8 seed. An 8 seed that's now getting destroyed by a 5 seed.

[sunsbum]

Im still baffled at the guy trying to compare Amare Stoudamire to Tim Duncan.


Amare Stoudamire is rated as high as he is because of the fact he has Steve Nash feeding him wide open passes. Sure he is athletic, and can dunk the hell out of a wide open ball (sometimes), but he has less basketball IQ than me, and i suck. Spurs defense has picked him apart repeatedly this series alone, including a one on one nothing but ball block by duncan in last nights game.

His defense on duncan is even more attrocious. They cant even put him on duncan because he will foul out in the first quarter.

absolutely insane.

:dizzy



amare isnt even near duncans level but to say amare is who he is because of steve nash shows how low YOUR IQ is.

[ManuMagic]

So by whatever means necessary, as long as we win? Ok, while we're at it, lets send Butler in there to take out Marion and have Beno hit Nash on the nose with his purse. :rolleyes

This isn't how the Spurs win. They strategically pick apart defenses and stifle offenses. They never needed help from Stern/Jackson before, why start now?

Beno's too much of a pussy. I think a James White diving chop block from behind could be damn effective. Dude's bony shoulders gotta be like razors.

[DampierAmGod]

Nobody has proven you right, but you have proven yourself to be a fan of a team who lost to an 8 seed. An 8 seed that's now getting destroyed by a 5 seed.

Did you figure that out all by yourself or did Mommy help you? You're quite the detective, Sherlock.

[ManuMagic]

Did you figure that out all by yourself or did Mommy help you? You're quite the detective, Sherlock.

Anyone who aspouses the notion that Eric Dampier, the 7 foot post player who couldn't post up guys 6 inches shorter than him, is God is a true fucking idiot.

[Obstructed_View]

So has we won last years WCSF, it would have been hollow because Terry was suspended?

GTFOOH.
Yes, because Jason Terry being suspended for throwing a punch is exactly the same as Amare Stoudamire and Boris Diaw being suspended on a technicality. If you'd learn to read, you'd see that I have agreed that they have to be suspended according to the rules. As a fan, I'd rather line everybody up and let them play.

Are you even remotely understanding the difference?

[Despot]

Doesn't everyone get it?? This was all orchestrated by Stern! He needed something to take the focus away from the MVP ceremony!!!!

[DampierAmGod]

Anyone who aspouses the notion that Eric Dampier, the 7 foot post player who couldn't post up guys 6 inches shorter than him, is God is a true fucking idiot.

Anyone who takes my joke of a name seriously, is a true fucking idiot.

[Soul_Patch]

amare isnt even near duncans level but to say amare is who he is because of steve nash shows how low YOUR IQ is.


prove me wrong?

This is my observation, ive heard others offer the same sentiments:

Amare is a young, dumb, athlete. He has a lot of shaping to do to ever be considered anywhere near Duncan's caliber. He makes very stupid plays (5th foul, game 3). When he is put in pressure situations, he normally cant deliver (game 1), he doesn't know when to shut up and play basketball, and can't keep his emotions in check to help his team (last night), he gets unneeded fouls because he doesnt have the foresight and "basketball IQ" to know when to hold back (last night, fouling Ginobli for his 4th) What i do see, is he is extremely fast and athletic on breaks. He is the perfect compliment to steve nash, as he can move around, and get open looks at the rim when the defense colapses on nash as he runs around in circles under the hoop. He is a good free throw shooter, or at least has been lately (i dont watch his stats to know if this holds true all the time). He would be an above average player at best without nash on his team. Nash turns him into a star.

Duncan on the other hand, has proven time and time again for over a decade, he is quite possibly the best power forward who ever played.

So, my point was, to say they are evenly matched or Amare has an advantage is ridiculous.


if you want to prove me otherwise im all ears.

[word]

I don't think they'll suspend them but the refs will keep them on a tight leash in game 5 as punishment. More than one way to punish a player in this league.

[somerset]

Spoo fans are dumb motherfuckers. They won't be suspended. They did nothing wrong. Spoo fans are the dumbest people on the PLANET. A few steps towards a teammate that just got sucker popped by a coward, Stern is not going to suspend 2 starters in what could be the championship for Horry being a little bitch hitting nash when he did not expect it. Chicken shits

[Jeremy]

Amare and Diaw were simply running up to check on their teammate, before any altercation happened--right? A foul is not an "altercation." I don't see how they can suspend them.

[SunFan4Life]

If you think Stoudemire and Diaw need to be suspended then so too does Duncan for getting off the bench when Elson fell on a Suns player after his dunk. There can't be a double standard!

[Obstructed_View]

The NBA suspended Allen Houston, Patrick Ewing, Larry Johnson and John Starks during the playoffs due to a technicality, which I'm sure they didn't actually want to have to do. I'm not sure they have any real choice in this matter.

[Trainwreck2100]

If you think Stoudemire and Diaw need to be suspended then so too does Duncan for getting off the bench when Elson fell on a Suns player after his dunk. There can't be a double standard!

where's the altercation?

[T Park]

No, I'm serious. I might be alone in this, but I know a win is a win, but a win against a team with all their players is much more satisfying.

i think you are

im pretty easy to satisfy so id be happy with it :lol


No it was an Elson jersey and it was more embarassed out of the name across the chest, than horry.

The team the way they finished that quarter was just, it was 93 94 esque.

[Soul_Patch]

lol...i keep reading the same shit over and over and over and over...


i think my head will explode soon.

[SunFan4Life]

where's the altercation?

Attempting to get off the bench after a play like this is intent to start an altercation. Lets not forget, the suspensions are about intent, not actual deed.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol...i keep reading the same shit over and over and over and over...


i think my head will explode soon.

At least all these sunspension threads are keeping the bridge jumpers from posting the endless "Fire Pop" threads after a hard loss.

[Trainwreck2100]

Attempting to get off the bench after a play like this is intent to start an altercation. Lets not forget, the suspensions are about intent, not actual deed.


So if he has intent to start an altercation that means there was no altercation cause he was trying to start one(he wouldn't have to try and start one if there already was one).

[sunsbum]

prove me wrong?

This is my observation, ive heard others offer the same sentiments:

Amare is a young, dumb, athlete. He has a lot of shaping to do to ever be considered anywhere near Duncan's caliber. He makes very stupid plays (5th foul, game 3). When he is put in pressure situations, he normally cant deliver (game 1), he doesn't know when to shut up and play basketball, and can't keep his emotions in check to help his team (last night), he gets unneeded fouls because he doesnt have the foresight and "basketball IQ" to know when to hold back (last night, fouling Ginobli for his 4th) What i do see, is he is extremely fast and athletic on breaks. He is the perfect compliment to steve nash, as he can move around, and get open looks at the rim when the defense colapses on nash as he runs around in circles under the hoop. He is a good free throw shooter, or at least has been lately (i dont watch his stats to know if this holds true all the time). He would be an above average player at best without nash on his team. Nash turns him into a star.

Duncan on the other hand, has proven time and time again for over a decade, he is quite possibly the best power forward who ever played.

So, my point was, to say they are evenly matched or Amare has an advantage is ridiculous.


if you want to prove me otherwise im all ears.


better get some earplugs then.

first off the fact that youre basing all of your impressions on amare off of this one series is laughable at best... AT BEST.

despite what the spurs fans might say to justify even more why they hate amare and why they think he should be suspended...he is not a hothead. its not like he walked out there and started throwing haymakers, he ran out..after the reffs told them to get back he went back to the bench. big fucking deal. if the league suspends him...so be it. whatever helps you sleep better at night i guess.

now as far nash making amare... lol prepare to get owned

steve nash missed 6 games this year i believe.

here are amares numbers in all those missed games

2/14 vs seattle - 18pts 13rbs
vs chi - 26 10
vs atl - 29 13
vs por - 36 9
vs utah - 19 12
vs phi - 23 10

so now what?

[SunFan4Life]

So if he has intent to start an altercation that means there was no altercation cause he was trying to start one(he wouldn't have to try and start one if there already was one).

You are really reaching here bub

[SunFan4Life]

So if he has intent to start an altercation that means there was no altercation cause he was trying to start one(he wouldn't have to try and start one if there already was one).

From ESPN TrueHoop

Steve Kerr on Yahoo:

... if the league decides to suspend Diaw and Stoudemire, it may have to suspend Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen as well.

In a play that went entirely unnoticed until well after the game was over, both Duncan and Bowen actually left San Antonio's bench early in the second quarter after Francisco Elson and James Jones were entangled. Replays clearly show Duncan walking several steps onto the court as Elson and Jones appeared to be ready to get into it. Bowen then followed Duncan onto the floor, grabbed him and led him back to the bench. If the league does indeed follow the letter of the law, both Spurs players would also be suspended for Game 5.

I watched the video of this myself. Duncan and Bowen certainly cross the line, albeit not in a heated manner at all, and only barely over the line. And at the time they did, it looked like this might turn into an altercation. If anyone is going to use the "a rule is a rule and that is that" argument, this would certainly diffuse it. Which means, I guess, we are now 100% in the land of a David Stern judgment call.

[BeerIsGood!]

From ESPN TrueHoop

Steve Kerr on Yahoo:

... if the league decides to suspend Diaw and Stoudemire, it may have to suspend Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen as well.

In a play that went entirely unnoticed until well after the game was over, both Duncan and Bowen actually left San Antonio's bench early in the second quarter after Francisco Elson and James Jones were entangled. Replays clearly show Duncan walking several steps onto the court as Elson and Jones appeared to be ready to get into it. Bowen then followed Duncan onto the floor, grabbed him and led him back to the bench. If the league does indeed follow the letter of the law, both Spurs players would also be suspended for Game 5.

I watched the video of this myself. Duncan and Bowen certainly cross the line, albeit not in a heated manner at all, and only barely over the line. And at the time they did, it looked like this might turn into an altercation. If anyone is going to use the "a rule is a rule and that is that" argument, this would certainly diffuse it. Which means, I guess, we are now 100% in the land of a David Stern judgment call.

let's just quote the guy who has a financial interest in the Suns. Smart move.

Anything Kerr says regarding the Suns is bs because he has financial interest with them.

[BeerIsGood!]

From ESPN TrueHoop

Steve Kerr on Yahoo:

it looked like this might turn into an altercation.

Sorry Stevie, I know your money is tied up in the Suns, but you can't base it on "it looed like this might turn into an altercation". It either was or wasn't, and it wasn't.

[Soul_Patch]

2/14 vs seattle - 18pts 13rbs
vs chi - 26 10
vs atl - 29 13
vs por - 36 9
vs utah - 19 12
vs phi - 23 10



rofl. stiff competition. I bet that seatle game was a bitch! oohh and atlanta, wow...You totaly proved he can own against the worst teams in the league. I seriously take it back, Amare quite possibly IS black jesus...wow...


Look i am not saying amare stoudamire sucks at basketball. I am saying he is no where near the level duncan is, and duncan is declining. Stoudamire most likely will never be at the level duncan is.

I also find stoudamire to be one of the dumbest basketball players ive ever watched play.

[SunFan4Life]

Sorry Stevie, I know your money is tied up in the Suns, but you can't base it on "it looed like this might turn into an altercation". It either was or wasn't, and it wasn't.

And we can trust someone with a Texas Longhorns logo? Give me a break bub. Hate to tell you this, but the announcers are paid to be non-biased. Hell, Barkley has railed on the Suns harder than anyone even though he attends games, lives in Phoenix, and is in the ring of honor at US Airways!

[SunFan4Life]

let's just quote the guy who has a financial interest in the Suns. Smart move.

Anything Kerr says regarding the Suns is bs because he has financial interest with them.

And so do a bunch of the ESPN talking heads right? I saw them debating this on 1st and 10 not more than an hour ago!

[nkdlunch]

the announcers are paid to be non-biased.

LMFAO

do you still beleive in Santa Claus

[mardigan]

bub
:lol Is this the Wolverine?

[sunsbum]

rofl. stiff competition. I bet that seatle game was a bitch! oohh and atlanta, wow...You totaly proved he can own against the worst teams in the league. I seriously take it back, Amare quite possibly IS black jesus...wow...


Look i am not saying amare stoudamire sucks at basketball. I am saying he is no where near the level duncan is, and duncan is declining. Stoudamire most likely will never be at the level duncan is.

I also find stoudamire to be one of the dumbest basketball players ive ever watched play.

first of all, i already said, and i think any suns fan will admit amare is nothing compared to duncan.

you said amare is nothing w/o nash of course when i prove you wrong you point somewhere else hoping for a misdirection. amare would do that to any team. and i really doubt amare is the dumbest player youve ever seen considering you watch eleson on a daily basis.

[G-Nob]

had the coaches not been in a hurry to get craig sager to say they were trying to check them in the game, i think they wouldn't be suspended. There was an obvious cover up and amare echoed it in the post game, that could upset Stern. Had they come clean on the mistake, I'd say they wouldn't give them the suspensions. Either way, I think it has already been decided.

I would expect Stu and Stern to speak to both teams about the physicality of this series so far and issue direct warnings to both teams this crap will not be tolerated. I think all of this is leading to a tighter called series the rest of the way which is bad because then we have refs deciding it instead of players.

Prediction:
Horry - 1 game and fine
Bell - fine
Nash - fine (for going after horry)
diaw - 1 game
amare - 1 game

[SunFan4Life]

LMFAO

do you still beleive in Santa Claus

Wow guy, you really got me there.

Next time I need a discount on a Big Mac I know who to turn to. Good luck with life burger flipper.

[SunFan4Life]

first of all, i already said, and i think any suns fan will admit amare is nothing compared to duncan.

you said amare is nothing w/o nash of course when i prove you wrong you point somewhere else hoping for a misdirection. amare would do that to any team. and i really doubt amare is the dumbest player youve ever seen considering you watch eleson on a daily basis.

Wow, to actually say that "amare is nothing compared to duncan" is pushing it a weeeeeee bit far. Lets not forget that Amare is doing what he's doing a year after having a surgery previously referred to as a "career killer". He had a damn good year (1st team All NBA, 20pts/10rb)but lets not forget that before the injury he was at 26pts and 9reb per game. Is he as good a defender as Duncan? No. Is he as experienced as Duncan? No. Is he the leader Duncan is? No. But give him time. He could grow to be every bit as dominant as Duncan is now. He's only 24 after all!

[mardigan]

Wow, to actually say that "amare is nothing compared to duncan" is pushing it a weeeeeee bit far. Lets not forget that Amare is doing what he's doing a year after having a surgery previously referred to as a "career killer". He had a damn good year (1st team All NBA, 20pts/10rb)but lets not forget that before the injury he was at 26pts and 9reb per game. Is he as good a defender as Duncan? No. Is he as experienced as Duncan? No. Is he the leader Duncan is? No. But give him time. He could grow to be every bit as dominant as Duncan is now. He's only 24 after all!
Hence nothing compared to Duncan right now. Not to mention he doesnt have the scoring skills Duncan has or the passing skills Duncan has

[SunFan4Life]

had the coaches not been in a hurry to get craig sager to say they were trying to check them in the game, i think they wouldn't be suspended. There was an obvious cover up and amare echoed it in the post game, that could upset Stern. Had they come clean on the mistake, I'd say they wouldn't give them the suspensions. Either way, I think it has already been decided.

I would expect Stu and Stern to speak to both teams about the physicality of this series so far and issue direct warnings to both teams this crap will not be tolerated. I think all of this is leading to a tighter called series the rest of the way which is bad because then we have refs deciding it instead of players.

Prediction:
Horry - 1 game and fine
Bell - fine
Nash - fine (for going after horry)
diaw - 1 game
amare - 1 game

Do you really think the NBA is going to reward the Spurs for Horrys cheap shot? I highly doubt it. I don't see a suspension coming, however if one does you better believe they won't show bias and will nail Duncan and Bowen as well.

[sunsbum]

Wow, to actually say that "amare is nothing compared to duncan" is pushing it a weeeeeee bit far. Lets not forget that Amare is doing what he's doing a year after having a surgery previously referred to as a "career killer". He had a damn good year (1st team All NBA, 20pts/10rb)but lets not forget that before the injury he was at 26pts and 9reb per game. Is he as good a defender as Duncan? No. Is he as experienced as Duncan? No. Is he the leader Duncan is? No. But give him time. He could grow to be every bit as dominant as Duncan is now. He's only 24 after all!


i didnt really mean it as a bash on amare as much as a compliment to duncan.. amare really does have a long way to go before he can match TD on the defensive side, offensive side and pretty much all facets of the game.

dont get me wrong...i love amare. i was sticking up for him afterall.

[SunFan4Life]

Hence nothing compared to Duncan right now. Not to mention he doesnt have the scoring skills Duncan has or the passing out of the double team skills Duncan has

Duncans highest season scoring average: 25.5
Amares average in '04-'05 (before injury): 26.0

Care to try again genious?

[G-Nob]

Do you really think the NBA is going to reward the Spurs for Horrys cheap shot? I highly doubt it. I don't see a suspension coming, however if one does you better believe they won't show bias and will nail Duncan and Bowen as well.


How are they rewarding SA when it was Diaw and Amare that broke the rules? If it was obvious TD and Bruce did it as well, they should pay for it too.

[Soul_Patch]

you are putting words in my mouth. I never once said Amare is nothing without nash...


Amare is an above average player at best without nash. proved by the above average stats your fellow fan pointed out while nash was mia this season. Those stats are ok/bordering on good at times...are they great? not really. These stats are also shown against teams that Amare should be dominating, if he is everything you say he is.

Amare also doesnt give you the massive ammounts of intangibles that Duncan brings. You pointed this out though already, and i can agree with you there, Amare is young, duncan is experienced. I don't see Amare ever making it into the Duncan category though. I just dont think his brain is all there. Amare also doesnt even come close in defense to duncan, there isnt even a comparison really.


Steve Nash makes him into the offensive powerhouse that you guys all see him as. Nothing wrong with that, but somewhere along the line here, one of you said that he is on the same level as Tim Duncan, and its just pure utter false. Anyone that wasnt a suns homer would say the same things.

[mardigan]

Duncans highest season scoring average: 25.5
Amares average in '04-'05 (before injury): 26.0

Care to try again genious?
You almost make it to easy. If you are really trying to say that Amare is better on offense because he averaged more points one season your an idiot. No one can score one on one like Duncan. Amare is a good scorer, but only an idiot would say that he has more offensive talent than one of the best players in history because of scoring averages, especially since he only did it one year, and averaged .5 more points than Tims career high

[Soul_Patch]

Duncans highest season scoring average: 25.5
Amares average in '04-'05 (before injury): 26.0

Care to try again genious?


Lol..you seriously arent helping your case at all.

[Marcus Bryant]

Wake me when Stoudemire has a post game.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Amare and Diaw HAVE to be suspended



this shouldn't even be debated

[SunFan4Life]

You almost make it to easy. If you are really trying to say that Amare is better on offense because he averaged more points one season your an idiot. No one can score one on one like Duncan. Amare is a good scorer, but only an idiot would say that he has more offensive talent than one of the best players in history because of scoring averages, especially since he only did it one year, and averaged .5 more points than Tims career high

Your quote was: "he doesnt have the scoring skills Duncan has".... obviously he does if he could score 26pts/game in a season while healthy. Outside of his rookie season (and 3 games last season)Amare is averaging 22 per and, last I checked, has been scoring at will against the Spurs. Where are you going with this again?

[sunsbum]

Wake me when Stoudemire has a post game.


are you sure you want to do that? your post count might suffer....

[tlongII]

Baron Davis didn't get suspended for his blatant elbow against Derek Fisher. I think that is clear precedence for the league not to suspend Stoudemire or Diaw. Horry will be the only one receiving a suspension in this case.

[mardigan]

Your quote was: "he doesnt have the scoring skills Duncan has".... obviously he does if he could score 26pts/game in a season while healthy. Outside of his rookie season (and 3 games last season)Amare is averaging 22 per and, last I checked, has been scoring at will against the Spurs. Where are you going with this again?
:lol Your right "bub", Amare is a much more proven and dominant post scorer and player than Tim Duncan

[MadDog73]

Baron Davis didn't get suspended for his blatant elbow against Derek Fisher. I think that is clear precedence for the league not to suspend Stoudemire or Diaw. Horry will be the only one receiving a suspension in this case.


Can you explain please?

Why does Horry's foul warrant suspension, but Davis does not?

And what does either have to do with Amare and Diaw leaving the bench during an altercation?

I'm not for anybody getting suspended, I just have no idea how you came to your conclusions.

[CosmicCowboy]

Can you explain please?

Why does Horry's foul warrant suspension, but Davis does not?

And what does either have to do with Amare and Diaw leaving the bench during an altercation?

I'm not for anybody getting suspended, I just have no idea how you came to your conclusions.
Horry won't be suspended for the foul on Nash. If he's suspended for anything it will be the elbow he threw at Bell after Bell threw a weak punch at Horry...

[MadDog73]

Horry won't be suspended for the foul on Nash. If he's suspended for anything it will be the elbow he threw at Bell after Bell threw a weak punch at Horry...


That doesn't explain why Tlong doesn't think Bell should be suspended...

[Marcus Bryant]

Horry won't be suspended for the foul on Nash. If he's suspended for anything it will be the elbow he threw at Bell after Bell threw a weak punch at Horry...

No kidding. That foul looked a lot worse than it actually was. At first I thought Horry clotheslined Nash but upon review he just bumped his Canadian ass out of bounds. Nash flopped a bit and then D'Antoni's girl-like hysterics made it look like something worse. You know something like that would trap a hothead like Bell into doing something stupid.

[sunsbum]

No kidding. That foul looked a lot worse than it actually was. At first I thought Horry clotheslined Nash but upon review he just bumped his Canadian ass out of bounds. Nash flopped a bit and then D'Antoni's girl-like hysterics made it look like something worse. You know something like that would trap a hothead like Bell into doing something stupid.


yea it was a "bump" :rolleyes

bell didnt do anything...he grabbed horrys jersey big deal, he wont get suspended.

[BeerIsGood!]

Baron Davis didn't get suspended for his blatant elbow against Derek Fisher. I think that is clear precedence for the league not to suspend Stoudemire or Diaw. Horry will be the only one receiving a suspension in this case.

Completely different rules with completely different precendents.

[BeerIsGood!]

yea it was a "bump" :rolleyes

bell didnt do anything...he grabbed horrys jersey big deal, he wont get suspended.

he charged at Horry and got in his face. He instigated the altercation. He did do something, but I don't think he'll be suspended.

[UV Ray]

ESPN: Ryan quotes Emerson on Suspension Issue

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

[Marcus Bryant]

yea it was a "bump" :rolleyes

bell didnt do anything...he grabbed horrys jersey big deal, he wont get suspended.

If it wasn't a "bump" what was it?

[CosmicCowboy]

yea it was a "bump" :rolleyes

bell didnt do anything...he grabbed horrys jersey big deal, he wont get suspended.

:lmao

He threw a closed fist punch. It's on the video. Maybe you didn't see it but I'm sure the NBA front office will.

[Marcus Bryant]

CC, don't disturb him. He probably loves afternoons spent rubbing one out to his Raja Bell bobblehead doll.

[SA210]

Damnit, when will we know, today or tomorrow?

[CosmicCowboy]

My guess is first thing in the morning.

[BeerIsGood!]

ESPN: Ryan quotes Emerson on Suspension Issue

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Ryan's an idiot. He thinks he can run lines of literature that were referring to political strife to make a case for Stoudemire not being punished for breaking the NBA law that has punished so many others for less.



"Without law and order society is relegated to anarchy."

I guess anyone can find sayings to support their position.

[Despot]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[hater]

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

[sunsbum]

If it wasn't a "bump" what was it?

a bump is something that happens in a library, or at the store....or whatever.

[Mixability]

Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind.

[mavsfan1000]

The suns need Pat Burke to step up and attack the player that is playing dirty. They need to be smart on their attacks. Who cares if Burke gets suspended. Just make sure their key players don't get involved.

[sunsbum]

:lmao

He threw a closed fist punch. It's on the video. Maybe you didn't see it but I'm sure the NBA front office will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI

please enlighten me on where bell threw a "closed fist punch".

[SpursFan0728]

The suns need Pat Burke to step up and attack the player that is playing dirty. They need to be smart on their attacks. Who cares if Burke gets suspended. Just make sure their key players don't get involved.
thats when Bulter comes in and attack suns' winers..
Who cares if Bulter gets suspended
=)

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI

please enlighten me on where bell threw a "closed fist punch".

It was before the elbow. This camera view didn't catch it. They had it from another angle after the game.

[VincentG]

It was before the elbow. This camera view didn't catch it. They had it from another angle after the game.

I saw at least 3 different angles and none of them showed Raja throwing a punch. There was no punch.

[LEONARD]

I saw at least 3 different angles and none of them showed Raja throwing a punch. There was no punch.

Blasphemy!!!

[sunsbum]

It was before the elbow. This camera view didn't catch it. They had it from another angle after the game.
:rolleyes

[nashty]

The better discussion the suns have for avoiding a suspension for both Amare and Diaw is that the "altercation" broke out AFTER both of them stepped in the court. When they saw this, both of them came back to the bench.

In the Elson foul, imagine a fight breaks out after Duncan and Bowen stepped in the court.... would this warrant a suspension??? How could Amare and Diaw know that Bell was going to charge Horry??? If Bell doesn't do that, what is the diference between what Amare did and what Duncad did???

[CosmicCowboy]

I saw at least 3 different angles and none of them showed Raja throwing a punch. There was no punch.

OK

whatever

bell will still be suspended whether you call it a punch or not.

[anonymous coward]

haha...scared of amare/suns spurs fans?

[sunsbum]

OK

whatever

bell will still be suspended whether you call it a punch or not.


i will bet you $100 dollars bell will not be suspended. im dead serious...lets send some money to a third party.

[CosmicCowboy]

OK

I know a reliable guy in Nigeria that can hold it for us.

[UV Ray]

OK

I know a reliable guy in Nigeria that can hold it for us.
:lol

[VincentG]

OK

whatever

bell will still be suspended whether you call it a punch or not.

Show me this mythical infraction. No footage exists showing him throwing a punch or anything close. Bell will not be suspended. I would be willing to take a personal bet on the fact.

Man everybody is freaking suspension butt hurt.

[sunsbum]

OK

I know a reliable guy in Nigeria that can hold it for us.


i just figured since you had seen the video of a "closed fist punch" that somehow no one else has seen, youre pretty confident that bell would be suspended.. put your money where your mouth is. :elephant

[duncan2k5]

yes...i want amare suspended because we would stand a better chance of winning game 5. i wont lie about it. this is the playoffs, take whatever advantage you can get, you may never be there agaim in decades.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd certainly be interested in seeing evidence of a punch. It would be quite a scoop, considering that nobody has caught it but one Spurs fan.

[LEONARD]

I'd certainly be interested in seeing evidence of a punch. It would be quite a scoop, considering that nobody has caught it but one Spurs fan.

lol...one Spurs fan that has been shutdown me thinks... :lol

[Despot]

I bet $1,000 that Bell will not be suspended for anything he did in game 3.

[xamila rey]

^^^^^^
of course not,,
maybe for what he did in game 4

[sunsbum]

I bet $1,000 that Bell will not be suspended for anything he did in game 3.
:lol

[Despot]

^^^^^^
of course not,,
maybe for what he did in game 4


Shhh!!! I'm trying to make easy money.

[CosmicCowboy]

Show me this mythical infraction. No footage exists showing him throwing a punch or anything close. Bell will not be suspended. I would be willing to take a personal bet on the fact.

C'mon guys. This is the NBA. Home of the front office image gestapo. Family entertainment. They don't like fights and controversy.

Bell was not even involved in the play...

Horry whacked Nash and immediately broke contact and walked towards the Spurs backcourt. No glaring or posturing of any kind.

Bell then RAN and attacked Horry physically. He started the whole series of events that now have everyone debating suspensions of half your starting lineup. You can call it whatever you want. I call making contact on the chin with a closed fist a punch. I admit it was no Mike Tyson roundhouse and in fact was a pussy punch but I'm pretty sure the NBA will see it the same way I do. Bell did a big no-no and he has history of being a hot head.

Bell STARTED all the shit that now has the NBA front office backed into the position of having to decide whether to follow their own rules and blow up Game 5 in the process or look like inconsistent idiots. They don't like looking like idiots.

even if they let Amare and Diaw off the hook they will suspend Bell a game for starting the whole mess.

[sunsbum]

Bell was not even involved in the play...

Neither was duncan or anyone else for that matter but that didnt stop him from grabbing marion as you can clearly see in the NBA section of espn...suspend him :rolleyes

Horry whacked Nash and immediately broke contact and walked towards the Spurs backcourt. No glaring or posturing of any kind.

raja bell clotheslined kobe and just walked off also...i guess he didnt deserve a suspension...actually i dont even know what the point of your statement is

Bell then RAN and attacked Horry physically.

:dramaquee

Bell STARTED all the shit

oh.... you mean bell checked nash into the sidelines? i guess you have proof of this on video somewhere too right?

even if they let Amare and Diaw off the hook they will suspend Bell a game for starting the whole mess.

no they absolutley wont. bell will not get suspended because theres nothing to be suspended for...unless you manage to find that that "closed fist punch"
video.

[BeerIsGood!]

Bell was an instigator. Getting your team mate checked into the boards doesn't mean you should charge someone like you're going to actually do something. Horry was walking away and Bell charged him. He should be fined at least $50,000 for that but not suspended.

[Shank]

C'mon guys. This is the NBA. Home of the front office image gestapo. Family entertainment. They don't like fights and controversy.

Bell was not even involved in the play...

Horry whacked Nash and immediately broke contact and walked towards the Spurs backcourt. No glaring or posturing of any kind.

Bell then RAN and attacked Horry physically. He started the whole series of events that now have everyone debating suspensions of half your starting lineup. You can call it whatever you want. I call making contact on the chin with a closed fist a punch. I admit it was no Mike Tyson roundhouse and in fact was a pussy punch but I'm pretty sure the NBA will see it the same way I do. Bell did a big no-no and he has history of being a hot head.

Bell STARTED all the shit that now has the NBA front office backed into the position of having to decide whether to follow their own rules and blow up Game 5 in the process or look like inconsistent idiots. They don't like looking like idiots.

even if they let Amare and Diaw off the hook they will suspend Bell a game for starting the whole mess.

THIS is some funny shit right here. :lol :lol :lol

[sunsbum]

[QUOTE=BeerIsGood!]Bell was an instigator. :drunk :smokin

[CosmicCowboy]

Let me ask you a question.

Would you trade a Bell/Horry suspension to keep Amare and Diaw active?

Thats probably what the NBA front office is pondering right now.

I don't think they let all this slide.

[CavsFan]

What a great series this has been.

Here’s my take from the outside looking in, for what it’s worth. I think it’s great basketball. I respect both teams for different reasons.

1. I respect Horry for coming in and playing HARD basketball. I have been an NBA fan for about 20 years and I, for one, miss the physical play that used to be in basketball. Some of those NBA games were incredible back in the 80’s and early 90’s. I miss the attitude of “if you’re going to push my teammates around everywhere I’m going to knock you on the floor”. Was it a dirty play? Absolutely. Will the Suns think twice about the elbow digs while the refs look away? Absolutely.

2. I respect Amare and Diaw for coming off the bench to back up their teammate. That’s what playing on a team is all about. Was is stupid? I don’t know, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I think Nash knows who has his back.

Yes, they will be suspended, but so be it - it's the rules. That's why it's a seven game series. And, the rule did keep this altercation from escalating. It's a good rule.

I am looking forward to the rest of this round!! May the best team win.

[BeerIsGood!]

[QUOTE=BeerIsGood!]Bell was an instigator. :drunk :smokin


Who charged who? Who ran at who? Did Horry confront Bell? Hell no. Bell ran at Horry acting like he's tough. That is an instigator. You're a dumb fuck.

[sunsbum]

THIS is some funny shit right here. :lol :lol :lol

i thought so too :dizzy

[SA Gunslinger]

It's official. Diaw and Stoudemire suspended one game. Horry suspended two games. Just announced on ESPN.

[ForestBrain]

Good!

[TheSanityAnnex]

The NBA is bullshit.

Way to ruin an exciting series Stern.

[sunsbum]

no bell in that suspension..WTF HE CLOSE FIST PUNCHED HORRY...this is pure bullshit :rolleyes

[ForestBrain]

It's an automatic suspension for guys to leave the bench like that. Do you want the Suns to have special treatment? Is that fair?

[CosmicCowboy]

no bell in that suspension..WTF HE CLOSE FIST PUNCHED HORRY...this is pure bullshit :rolleyes

Did you see this post asswipe?


Let me ask you a question.

Would you trade a Bell/Horry suspension to keep Amare and Diaw active?

Thats probably what the NBA front office is pondering right now.

I don't think they let all this slide.

You got the bad end of the decision.

[Tigole Bitties]

It's official. Diaw and Stoudemire suspended one game. Horry suspended two games. Just announced on ESPN.

BAHAHAHAHA!

Kind of sad, but like Shaq said, "rules are rules. You can't even bring a tube of toothpaste of a plane anymore."

[1SUNSFAN]

Bell STARTED all the shit that now has the NBA front office backed into the position of having to decide whether to follow their own rules and blow up Game 5 in the process or look like inconsistent idiots. They don't like looking like idiots.

.

I'll bet you a hundred dollars the NBA looks like inconsistent idiots. But they do it consistently... so doesn't that make it okay? No Suns suspensions! We're the GOOD GUYS! Dirty Spurs are done! Suns in SIX! :clap

[anonymous coward]

What a great series this has been.

Here’s my take from the outside looking in, for what it’s worth. I think it’s great basketball. I respect both teams for different reasons.

1. I respect Horry for coming in and playing HARD basketball. I have been an NBA fan for about 20 years and I, for one, miss the physical play that used to be in basketball. Some of those NBA games were incredible back in the 80’s and early 90’s. I miss the attitude of “if you’re going to push my teammates around everywhere I’m going to knock you on the floor”. Was it a dirty play? Absolutely. Will the Suns think twice about the elbow digs while the refs look away? Absolutely.

2. I respect Amare and Diaw for coming off the bench to back up their teammate. That’s what playing on a team is all about. Was is stupid? I don’t know, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I think Nash knows who has his back.

Yes, they will be suspended, but so be it - it's the rules. That's why it's a seven game series. And, the rule did keep this altercation from escalating. It's a good rule.

I am looking forward to the rest of this round!! May the best team win.
^ spurs :troll

[belac2007]

Well, I can say this! The Spurs have an excellent shot at winning tomorrow night w/out
Diaw & Stoudemire on the floor!

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll bet you a hundred dollars the NBA looks like inconsistent idiots. But they do it consistently... so doesn't that make it okay? No Suns suspensions! We're the GOOD GUYS! Dirty Spurs are done! Suns in SIX! :clap

:lmao

uhhh...you might want to refresh your browser dude... :lol

[1SUNSFAN]

[QUOTE=CosmicCowboy]:lmao

uhhh...you might want to refresh your browser dude... :lol[/QUOTE

I quote from ESPN...

"PHOENIX -- Phoenix center Amare Stoudemire and teammate Boris Diaw have been suspended for one game for leaving the bench after Robert Horry's hard foul of Steve Nash in Game 4 of the Suns' Western Conference semifinal against San Antonio, a person with knowledge of the penalty said Tuesday."

Not OFFICIAL... who is "a person" someone from Spurstalk? Maybe someone that saw Raja closed fist punch someone?

LOL