Stoudemire and Diaw have to be Suspended

[Kevin Blackistone]

I don't know what the hell Horry was thinking, but both Stoudemire and Diaw left the bench to walk TOWARD the altercation. The NBA has a no tolerance rule stating that ANY PLAYER THAT LEAVES THE BENCH during an altercation is suspended for 1 game. They HAVE to follow that rule and suspend both Stoudemire and Diaw 1 game. If they don't, they have absolutely no integrity left.

[Leetonidas]

Apparently, Stoudemire was already on his way into the game, but Diaw should be suspended because he did violate the rule.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We find out what the league is made of tomorrow. If they have any nuts, AMare and Diaw are suspended for game 5. If not, fuck this shit.

[PM5K]

I think it's obvious that's not why Amare was headed in that direction...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Y'all are some gullible fuckers if you believe Amare was on his way to the scorer's table. TNT showed the replay, he didn't get off his ass until Nash was on his.

[MannyIsGod]

I'd prefer no Suns suspensions. Its not really warranted.

[Kevin Blackistone]

amare was heading to the scoring table as a sub before the foul even happened.

so dont get your paties ina bunch there julio.

I knew some idiot would come in here spouting that shit the Sun's bench coaches were trying to say, and that's why I said he walked TOWARDS the altercation. I even put it in caps for your ass. He wasn't walking towards the scorers table, he walked on the court towards the altercation. That's why the Suns coaches were holding him back... no way he even came close to going to the scorers table.

[Scumbag]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

[sunsbum]

lol you spurs fans are something else.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Neither was us getting fucked by the refs tonight Manny, but it still happened.

[MannyIsGod]

Amare was going to the scrum. Thats obvious. Fuck what Pheonix was saying. I still don't wan't either suspended.

[bonesinaz]

Shaq on inside said they both knew what would happen once they crossed that line.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I do. We had to play half the game with Duncan on the bench tonight due to bullshit calls on TD. Payback's a bitch.

[MannyIsGod]

Neither was us getting fucked by the refs tonight Manny, but it still happened.So fucking what. The refs did fuck hte Spurs tonight, but the Spurs choked in the fourth themselves. They played through the fucking bullshit calls until the 3 minutes that really counted. Fuck it man, Pheonix doesn't deserve having those 2 players suspended.

[Dave McNulla]

i watched it closely. amare and boris were standing in the same position during the entire play until the camera panned away from them to follow nash to about 1/3 court. then as amare and boris came into the picture, the asst coach was unsuccessfully holding them back, not giving them instructions to go into the game.

i gotta hand it to the suns for keeping at it, but they got weak for a moment and it's going to cost them.

[Amarelooms]

Haha Spurs can't beat the Suns so they want Amare suspended. So sad. Classless play by Horry caused the whole thing. If that's the case then Horry should be suspended for the rest of the series.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

Let me get this STRAIGHT (dumb ass)... your player is a fucking moron and breaks an NBA rule that the NBA STATES is a ZERO TOLERANCE RULE THAT IS A 1 GAME SUSPENSION, and you don't blame Stoudemire for being a complete dumb fuck?

Horry should be suspended as well.

[L.I.T]

Hey, isn't that the shit the Suns pulled? Whine to the league and hope Big Brother will step in and help them?

Horry should be suspended, and any Sun player that left the bench should be suspended. Thems the rules and there is precedent for this, Heat vs. Knicks.

[King]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

I'd rather they not get suspended, because I want the series to be decided at full strength - whoever wins. But, that IS the rule. They SHOULD be suspended as the rule is written - whether any of us agree with the rule or not. I'm not saying I want them to be, though.

[Buddy Holly]

I think it's obvious that's not why Amare was headed in that direction...

Um... he was standing around with the other players watching the game, he made no movement towards the scorers table until Nash hit the floor. That is Boris and Amare took off.

[coachmac87]

all 3 players are suspended....maybe give horry a fine and a suspension and give amare and diaw a game...thats bs about checking in he was at the bench not at the scorers table...suns just tried to cover it up...its the damn rules follow the rules suns..they can do whatever they want with horry...but rules are the rules its very unfortunate amare and diaw wasnt thinking at the time

[Scumbag]

Amare was holding people back... LOOK AT THE REPLAY

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So if the Spurs played stupid tonight, why should AMare and Boris catch a break for reacting stupidly?

Fuck that logic.

[Budkin]

The whole thing just sucks.

[Scumbag]

They Didnt Put Someone Into The Boards!

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Suns are screwed they will be without two starters and all SA gave up was Horry.

[SpursFanFirst]

amare was heading to the scoring table as a sub before the foul even happened.

so dont get your panties ina bunch there julio.

Complete crap, but nice try. :rolleyes

[sunsbum]

Hey, isn't that the shit the Suns pulled? Whine to the league and hope Big Brother will step in and help them?

Horry should be suspended, and any Sun player that left the bench should be suspended. Thems the rules and there is precedent for this, Heat vs. Knicks.

lol the league took it upon themselves to review bowen.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if we win, i want to win it against a full squad, so they will have no excuses to back it up

[hoopdreams11]

I'd prefer no Suns suspensions. Its not really warranted.

Same here let everybody play let's lace em up and play man up. But Joey Crawford has pictures of Steve Javie with farm animals.

[Kevin Blackistone]

If they didn't break the rules, then no problem. You didn't see any Spurs leaving the bench, do you? Stoudemire is a dumb fuck and Diaw did the dumbest thing imaginable in the situation. I wish they hadn't done that, but they did. It's their fault for being dumb ass fucks. Blame them.

[mFFL03]

wow....no suspensions please.....

everyone is right, amare and diaw were not coming in the game, they wanted to rush to center court......

however, it's a stupid rule like barkley says.....the rule is there to prevent a situation, which it did. nothing happend......

[Scumbag]

League will not suspend any Sun player... Amare came off the bench and started holding people back.

How is it logical that Horry puts Nash into the boards with the biggest bitch move ever and THE SUNS LOSE 2 PLAYERS?

Get a clue you goddamn homers.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

No, you fuck off.

Your boys are a bunch of hot heads and Horry baited them and they took the bait. Horry is dirty, so fucking what? So is your boy Raja, and AMare and Boris are fucking idiots for leaving the bench.

Shaq even called them out, said they knew what they were doing when they left the bench.

I'd love for it to be decided at full strength, but seeings the refs didn't afford us that liberty tonight with a couple of bullshit calls on Duncan, you won't get any pity for your suck ass team from me.

The league let this situation get to this point by letting Phoenix cry for the last 10 days, and then upgrading a personal to a flagrant on Bowen today. The stage was set, and the refs looked the other way all game long tonight while Phoenix took cheap shot after cheap shot at the Spurs because of all your team's pansy ass fucking whining.

Horry paid all those cheap shots from Nash and Raja tonight back with interest. Sucks for you that Amare and Boris have the combined intelligence of a peanut.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Letter of the rule: I think you have to suspend Amare and Boris.

Spirit of the rule: Private reprimand, minimal fine.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

if thats the way you guys need to win this series, ok.

class of the league, right?
To bad Dallas couldn't win a series.

[Buddy Holly]

if thats the way you guys need to win this series, ok.

class of the league, right?

Where's your team?

No one wants anyone suspended.

[dbreiden83080]

They showed it on the replay on TNT Amare was standing there on the sidelines with everyone else and he was on the court when it broke out there is little doubt he is gone for game 5 along with Boris. Spurs sucked ass down the stretch they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[Spurologist]

I'd rather have them both in Game 5.

Kenny made a great point that if the league doesn't suspend Diaw and Amare then how would you enforce that rule later when people rush on the court during a skirmish.

It will be an interesting decision by the league office.

It only makes sense that both teams play with full strenth

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The right thing to do is to suspend the players, its a no tolerance policy and not adhering to it proves once and for all that whining to the media and refs between games really does influence the series.

[Trifecta]

First of all -- Amare did head on the court reacting to the altercation!

But I do not think he warrants the suspension!

Horry -- I'm disappointed in his actions, but (I'm not lyin') it felt good to see him take that shot!

No doubt, the refs forced the Spurs to back off on the interior defense at the end!


(Pops seem to go away from what worked earlier in the game)
It would have been nice to see TP with the ball down the stretch vice Manu

TP -- on Nash

Brent Barry in for Bowen to provide a perimeter threat instead of a liability!

[coachmac87]

if thats the way you guys need to win this series, ok.

class of the league, right?


rules are rules...ur just hating and kinda sad that ur team lost to an 8 seed....thats one thing the mavs have done that the spurs havent done...fuck that no team has been that horrible in the playoffs...sucks man..bring on them cowboys to the alamodome...cant wait to watch spurs basketball on wed

[Gros Membres!]

I'd rather see them play but after the Indiana fiasco I think it'll be tough for the league to look beyond this one. If they do let this go then how will players leaving the bench for a fight be addressed in the future? It seems like the "no tolerance" policy is about to get a firm look for the sake of keeping this series interesting.

[ploto]

You didn't see any Spurs leaving the bench, do you?
Actually they did- their toes on the line technically breaks the rule, too.

[MannyIsGod]

So if the Spurs played stupid tonight, why should AMare and Boris catch a break for reacting stupidly?

Fuck that logic.You're just wishing for a cheap thing that isn't even deserved. Whatever dude. The only player that deserves a suspension from this game is Horry.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

League will not suspend any Sun player... Amare came off the bench and started holding people back.

How is it logical that Horry puts Nash into the boards with the biggest bitch move ever and THE SUNS LOSE 2 PLAYERS?

Get a clue you goddamn homers.

It's logical because it's the rules. You're the fucking idiot homer.

[TampaDude]

amare was heading to the scoring table as a sub before the foul even happened.


WRONG!!! Watch the replay...both Stoudemire and Diaw were in the bench area...they both left the bench area and entered the court area...they must both be suspended per NBA rules.

[SpursFanFirst]

I'd prefer no Suns suspensions. Its not really warranted.

Actually, I'd like to know WHY it isn't warranted. I watched most of the Pacers players get suspended for multiple games for leaving the bench...many of them not throwing punches, but rather, trying to break up the fight...they got suspended. Why shouldn't these 2? If the NBA start making exceptions for certain players, and not for others, it will have a mess on its hands.
It needs to be even across the board. Fair is fair. They left the bench, and there is NO way they were entering the game...that's total crap. I know you didn't make that comment, but others have.

[Boulevard1]

That fucking sucks. It was a stupid foul by Horry. Stoudamire and Diaw need to be suspended if the league wants to keep the integrity of the rule. That said, that's a bitch way to win game 5, if we even do win game 5 (how many times have Spurs lost to teams that were understrength).

Horry's gone for Game 5 also.

[CharlieMac]

Diaw and Amare gotta protect that Canadian rep.

I dont care if Horry nudged Nash into the wall. This league is waaay too pussy lately.

[Cherry]

amare was heading to the scoring table as a sub before the foul even happened.

so dont get your panties ina bunch there julio.

you know what? cant wait to see the video again and again and again :stirpot:

Stoudemire and Diaw have to be Suspended. No doubt, no excuses.

[PM5K]

I think it's a good rule, it helps keep brawls from breaking out with twenty-four players on the court and only three refs.

[efrem1]

Aw heck, no suspensions. The Spurs just went cold at the wrong time. I see a Dr. John song in here somewhere.

[tlongII]

If the league suspends Amare and Diaw it would be a travesty. It would be completely unfair to the Suns regardless of how the rule is written. The league should take the stance that they were going to check back into the game. That way no suspension would be given and they still can save face.

[ploto]

Funny thing is I have been telling people I know that Horry has been taking cheap shots all series away from the ball but no one has noticed...

[Fillmoe]

lol @ spurs fans hoping the league suspends 2 key players so they can get an easy win in game 5.......... im sorry to break it to you guys but robert horry just handed the suns tons of ammunition with that cheap shot at the end...... with or without diaw and stoudemire the suns will win..... and it will be all robert horrys fault

[Cry Havoc]

Heh. I don't want Amare suspended for the 5th game.

I don't want to have to listen to whining bitch-ass Suns fans about why they lost the series.

But he's gone. There is a no tolerance policy here. It's to prevent shit like the fight that happened with Indiana & Detroit. That scuffle came VERY close to being a fight because Amare & Diaw jumped off the bench.

What Horry did was awful. But it's not like he clotheslined the guy while he's in mid-air. That was a good hard check, and Horry should be gone for Game 5.

But so will Amare & Diaw. Should they be? Probably not. But the sad fact is that we can't have hotheads who instigate fights in the NBA. Fans got hurt the last time it really got out of hand. That's unacceptable, and so was the behavior of all three players tonight.

[Borosai]

At least Suns fans aren't bitching about bad calls this game...I wonder why.

I'm glad Horry took Nash out...I like Nash and all, but he loves to jump into defenders to get calls...there you go. I have no problem with the hit, and he will get suspended.

Amare and Diaw left the bench...if the league sticks to the rules, they will get suspended as well. Of course, some will make excuses (checking in, holding other players back, etc), but everyone knows what happened, and what should happen.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manny -

Fine, don't suspend either one. But suspend Raja, he had two elbows (one to Oberto, one to Horry in retaliation) that were just as bad as what Horry did.

Fair?

[PM5K]

How is it unfair to the Suns, they weren't cool enough to keep their heads and they should have to pay for it...

[da_suns_fan__]

Neither will be suspended. Its a playoff series and neither got close to the play. Both players stopped themselves and one was going to check in.

Not to mention that would reward Horry's cheapshot.

But its fun to watch Spurs fans squirm. So much for HCA, eh?

[Fillmoe]

aggie hoopsfans is hoping for a suspension..... no confidence in your squad?

[PM5K]

If they don't suspend any Suns they shouldn't suspend any Spurs...

[Man Mountain]

I don't like the rule, but it is what it is.

You can say Amare was going to the scoring table but he didn't get up until Nash went down and he did step on the court (which you aren't supposed to do on your way to the scorers table.

I don't really want them suspended because I'd like all the best players on the court, but we'll see how the league handles it.

[TampaDude]

Amare was holding people back... LOOK AT THE REPLAY

I did, and you're on crack...Amare left the bench and went toward the fracas, as did Diaw...that's one game for each of them...no exceptions.

[dbreiden83080]

This is the same thing as Knicks/Heat back in 1997. Mourning body slammed Charlie Ward and Ewing and those guys left the bench they got suspended. Amare and Boris fair or unfair are gone for gone 5.

[Buddy Holly]

Both Amare and Diaw were running towards the players because they wanted to do something, they then got stopped by the coaches and that's when Amare realized what he ahd done and held his arms out to stop people.

[Spurologist]

The BOTTOMLINE is:

The NBA League OFFICE has to ACT one way or another.

[Kevin Blackistone]

You're just wishing for a cheap thing that isn't even deserved. Whatever dude. The only player that deserves a suspension from this game is Horry.

How is that? I see where you're coming from, and I would like to see it go full strength as well - but you have to follow the rules. This has been the most widely known NBA rule for over 10 years now - if you leave the bench and go on the court during an altercation, you get a 1 game suspension. That's it... you can't make allowances because it's the playoffs and because it's a certain player. That's been the rule for longer than either guy has been in the league, and they broke it. They must now pay the price. Their stupidity is costing them.

If TD, TP, Manu, or any other Spur left the bench during an altercation, they'd deserve a 1 gamer too. They do deserve it for being stupid, as does Horry for the shoulder shot into the table.

On another note - we may have to redefine "Big Shot Rob" if the league holds their integrity and does what they have to do to maintain any respect for the rules and integrity of the game. Did he do that shit on purpose hoping for Suns stupidity? Surely not, but it makes you wonder.

[sunsbum]

Heh. I don't want Amare suspended for the 5th game.

I don't want to have to listen to whining bitch-ass Suns fans about why they lost the series.

But he's gone. There is a no tolerance policy here. It's to prevent shit like the fight that happened with Indiana & Detroit. That scuffle came VERY close to being a fight because Amare & Diaw jumped off the bench.

What Horry did was awful. But it's not like he clotheslined the guy while he's in mid-air. That was a good hard check, and Horry should be gone for Game 5.

But so will Amare & Diaw. Should they be? Probably not. But the sad fact is that we can't have hotheads who instigate fights in the NBA. Fans got hurt the last time it really got out of hand. That's unacceptable, and so was the behavior of all three players tonight.


this is the biggest piece of bullshit i have EVER read. honestly, i bet you could give a FUCK about the fans. and then to call horrys cheap shot a "That was a good hard check" ..please.

[TampaDude]

if thats the way you guys need to win this series, ok.

class of the league, right?

Coming from a fan of the worthless, choking Mavs, I'll take it as a compliment... :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Neither will be suspended. Its a playoff series and neither got close to the play. Both players stopped themselves and one was going to check in.

Not to mention that would reward Horry's cheapshot.

But its fun to watch Spurs fans squirm. So much for HCA, eh?

LOL AMare was on the court big time he is gone for game 5 Horry was out of line but Amare is responsible for his reaction and he will be suspended.

[kris]

I really hope Amare can play. Maybe the league will say since he was checking in then he's good and they'll save the suspension for Diaw.

That way at least Diaw and Horry can cancel out each other.

This is truly an infortunate incident and it's going to suck if Amare is gone.

[1SUNSFAN]

I HOPE Amare and Boris get suspended and the Suns still kick the Spurs ASS with their scrubs! Spurs are dirty pussies and can't win without the help of "big brother". I thought you guys were supposed to be tough? Pansy ass Spurs and their fans!

[ca®lo]

if ever amare and raja gets suspended for game 5 and we win the series...

suns fans will bitch and rant here nonstop 24/7.

but it is what it is.. for me id rather beat em at their home court with their best players in. If we lose then we lose.

[Cry Havoc]

Suns fans: It doesn't matter what Amare was doing, even though it was obvious he was heading for the fracas. He left the bench. He stepped on the floor. That's a one game automatic. He's not going to get a free pass on this.

So get used to the lineup of Nash/Bell/Marion/Diaw/KT

[mavsfan1000]

Yep they will probably be suspended. Horry made the play of the game with that hit. It's too bad he'll get rewarded with taking out Stoudemire for that hit as well as Diaw.

[tlongII]

The players never crossed mid-court and they were very close to the scorer's table the entire time. This is not like any other situation that has occurred previously. You can certainly argue that they were merely going to check into the game. No suspension is warranted.

[judaspriestess]

amare was heading to the scoring table as a sub before the foul even happened.

so dont get your panties ina bunch there julio.

listen pablo, stoudamire was not headed towards the scoring table and the replay clearly shows it.

[rayray2k8]

Nobody will be happy tomorrow. thats my prediction.
Personally I think horry should be the only one suspended.
But if Amare is suspended.
That will be the excuse that they will use if the spurs win the series.
But imagine if the suns win on Wednesday w/o them??
My god we will never hear the end of it...

[BillsCarnage]

First of all -- Amare did head on the court reacting to the altercation!

But I do not think he warrants the suspension!

Agreed. As fans, don't you want your team to beat the other team at full strength? While he did cross the line he did not engage in the altercation - which is what the rule was really meant for.

These are the PO's and probably the best series of the PO's, do you really think the NBA wants to diminish that with two silly suspensions?


Horry should be suspended, and any Sun player that left the bench should be suspended. Thems the rules and there is precedent for this, Heat vs. Knicks.

Actually, as Barkley mentioned, the rule was created after a nasty Suns/Knicks fight in the 92/93 season in which Greg "i'm a pussy" Anthonly came off the bench in street clothes and sucker punched KJ from behind.

[ATXSPUR]

I dont give a fuck if they are suspended or not. I am more pissed at the Spurs and espescially Horry than anyone else. Not only do you give the suns new life and give them the series edge but you make us look like complete ASSES while doing it. way to fucking go guys. I just hope the Pistons can win the championship now. After the Spurs are ousted detroit will be the only team left I respect.

[Slydragon]

CiA PoP to Rob "Get as many of them off the bench as possible.

^-----------JoKe-----------------^

I really want to play Suns with everyone and not handicap. What happens happens tho

[easjer]

I'm pissed as all hell at Robert Horry for this.

The check (and it was a good hard unnecessary body check, that's all - hardly the dirtiest move ever) was a really poor decision.

And according to the rules of the game, Amare and Diaw should be suspended. It's an aspect of the game you may like or hate, but those are the rules. Just like offensive fouls and no handchecks on the perimeter.

But if the league wasn't already pissed off at the Spurs and the low rating prospects, then now they are, because they have to suspend Amare and Diaw and if they don't, they eat egg.

But then the excuses start for everyone. If the Spurs manage to pull it out, it'll be tarnished by that play.

Fucking bad move Robert Horry.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

aggie hoopsfans is hoping for a suspension..... no confidence in your squad?


Plenty of confidence. I'm just pissed that all the whining the last 3 days paid off by the Suns because the refs let them beat the shit out of the Spurs all game tonight.

That foul by Horry was all of that bubbling over, from the elbow by Raja to Oberto's grill, to Nash shoving off on Parker and then giving a forearm shiver to Manu, to Thomas flat out punching Duncan in the back while the refs sucked tit on their whistles.

I'll offer an even trade - Raja had a high 'bow on Oberto and then came in and elbowed Horry in the grill in retaliation late. Suspend him, let Amare and Boris stick around.

It ain't right if Horry gets suspended for one play when Raja got away with two, and I'm calling out the league on Amare and Boris because if not they're a bunch of hypocrites. They already gave Phoenix tacit approval to mug the shit out of us by upgrading Bowen's flagrant and looking the other way for 48 minutes tonight while Phoenix mugged the shit out of the Spurs.

Now Phoenix should pay for that shit, and if their own idiocy fucks their team over, then maybe they'll learn something from it. I'm tired of Amare, Mike, Nash, and co. crying about the fouls because they know they can't win straight up.

29 FTs to 14 tonight despite Phoenix playing their most physical game of the series. Total bullshit, and they deserve to get fucked for the last 10 days of whining.

[Cry Havoc]

this is the biggest piece of bullshit i have EVER read. honestly, i bet you could give a FUCK about the fans. and then to call horrys cheap shot a "That was a good hard check" ..please.

Oh fuck the hell off. Have you read ANY of my posts tonight? That WAS a good hard check. It was a GOOD HARD CHECK. Read my words. Checks are NOT basketball. They are HOCKEY. I did not defend Horry ONCE tonight and said he should be gone, because that was horrible what he did to Nash.

Get a grip.

[efrem1]

But its fun to watch Spurs fans squirm. So much for HCA, eh?

We'll see Wednesday. I've been a Spurs fan 30 years. I don't squirm little boy. Alvin Adams is still looking for his first ring. :ihit

[1SUNSFAN]

Nobody will be happy tomorrow. thats my prediction.
Personally I think horry should be the only one suspended.
But if Amare is suspended.
That will be the excuse that they will use if the spurs win the series.
But imagine if the suns win on Wednesday w/o them??
My god we will never hear the end of it...

You're right... you won't! :p:

[Gros Membres!]

You're just wishing for a cheap thing that isn't even deserved. Whatever dude. The only player that deserves a suspension from this game is Horry.
Certainly not cheap. The rule is in place and has been heavily policed due to other incidents (see Stephen Jackson in the stands beating on some fans as proof) that allowing players on the bench to jump into an on-court fray is just a recipe for disaster.

Now I'm with you in wanting them to play as I would like us to demoralize them on their home floor at full strength. Important for a game 5, imho. But I also feel like it will be impossible for the league to uphold this rule in the future if they let these guys play. This "leaving the bench" rule, along with dress codes, less talking/arguing after fouls were all implemented to clean up the game and a damaged reputation. If the league waffles on this and goes "gray area" then the NBA opens itself up for all sorts of trouble in the future.

[Aud21946]

Ok.. Since I only post when warranted.. Here it goes .. Horry should be Fined and/or suspended. Boris is going to be Suspended for coming off the bench and Amare is going to be fined due to his star status. This is the most watched and most interesting series in the playoffs right now ..

[ThomasGranger]

What the league should do is fine the shit out of Horry and let 'em all play game 5.

What they'll probably do is fine the shit out of Horry AND suspend him for game 5, but probably let all the Suns play.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I hope Amare Diaw and Bell are suspended

The entire reason emotions even ran that high was cuz we were getting owned, the reason for that was duncan foul trouble and the reason for that was the blatant miss call when all three refs saw Nash's right foot entirely inside the restricted zone, leading to duncan's first foul

Karma is a fuckin bitch, the suns whined more than phil jackson 2003 and they were fucking rewarded in spades, i've never seen treatment like this AT HOME, it was total bull shit

fuck its natural for emotions to be running high at the end of a loss like that, and if stoudemire and diaw can't keep theirs in check (when they are winning) then fuck them they deserve to be suspended.

[dbreiden83080]

I really hope Amare can play. Maybe the league will say since he was checking in then he's good and they'll save the suspension for Diaw.

That way at least Diaw and Horry can cancel out each other.

This is truly an infortunate incident and it's going to suck if Amare is gone.

Checking in did you see the replay he was standing there with his other teammates on the sidelines he can lie all he wants he is getting run for game 5.

[Spurologist]

:lmao :lmao

Amare using the CHECK IN excuse

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You can certainly argue that they were merely going to check into the game.

No, you can't. Shut up tbong.

[TampaDude]

Neither will be suspended. Its a playoff series and neither got close to the play. Both players stopped themselves and one was going to check in.


Dude...you are so full of shit...did you even watch the replay???

[Danny]

Shaq even called them out, said they knew what they were doing when they left the bench.

And what Shaq says is gospel now?

The stage was set, and the refs looked the other way all game long tonight while Phoenix took cheap shot after cheap shot at the Spurs because of all your team's pansy ass fucking whining.

Who was whining tonight??? :lol



Ah, too much drama in this series, I wish we could just play it out and let the best team win.

[SequSpur]

Neither will be suspended. Its a playoff series and neither got close to the play. Both players stopped themselves and one was going to check in.

Not to mention that would reward Horry's cheapshot.

But its fun to watch Spurs fans squirm. So much for HCA, eh?

fuck off

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

this is the biggest piece of bullshit i have EVER read. honestly, i bet you could give a FUCK about the fans. and then to call horrys cheap shot a "That was a good hard check" ..please.

Even Nash laughed it off and called it a good check. What's your problem?

[Amarelooms]

I really hope Amare can play. Maybe the league will say since he was checking in then he's good and they'll save the suspension for Diaw.

That way at least Diaw and Horry can cancel out each other.

This is truly an infortunate incident and it's going to suck if Amare is gone.

If the Spurs actually benefit from a classless play by Horry which started the whole thing then the Suns should put in their 12th man and telling him to do his best to injure one of the Spurs top 3 players (punch, elbow, whatever)...if you gonna play dirty all is fair :elephant

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I've never been more completely in agreement with AHF in my posting spurstalk life.


You think Horry is a bad guy, he is an emotional guy and dammit anyone with eyes saw the Suns whining pay off, now they fuckign reap what they sow. I want all suspensions, fuck them, then if the Suns still win so be it, but rules are rules and you reap what you sow.

[CosmicCowboy]

Bell threw a punch too. Should be interesting.

[mavsfan1000]

I hope Amare Diaw and Bell are suspended

The entire reason emotions even ran that high was cuz we were getting owned, the reason for that was duncan foul trouble and the reason for that was the blatant miss call when all three refs saw Nash's right foot entirely inside the restricted zone, leading to duncan's first foul

Karma is a fuckin bitch, the suns whined more than phil jackson 2003 and they were fucking rewarded in spades, i've never seen treatment like this AT HOME, it was total bull shit

fuck its natural for emotions to be running high at the end of a loss like that, and if stoudemire and diaw can't keep theirs in check (when they are winning) then fuck them they deserve to be suspended.
Screw you than. Horry started that whole shit. Stern's a dictator so he'll suspend Horry, Stoudemire, and Diaw.

[dbreiden83080]

Ewing back in 97 against the Heat basically had his pinky toe on the court and he was gone from the next game, like i said Horry was wrong but Amare will pay the price for his reaction by grabbing a seat for game 5.

[Kobulingam]

Section VII—Fines
a. Recipients of technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct will be assessed a $500 fine
for the first offense, and an additional $500 for the second offense in any one given game, for
a minimum total of $1,000. If a player is ejected on (1) the first technical foul for unsportsmanlike
conduct, (2) a punching foul, (3) a fighting foul, (4) an elbow foul, or (5) a flagrant
foul, he shall be fined a minimum of $1,000.
b. Whether or not said player(s) is ejected, a fine not exceeding $50,000 and/or suspension
may be imposed upon such player(s) by the Commissioner at his sole discretion.
c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the
immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of
one game and fined up to $50,000.
The suspensions will commence prior to the start of their next game.
A team must have a minimum of eight players dressed and ready to play in every game.
If five or more players leave the bench, the players will serve their suspensions alphabetically,
according to the first letters of their last name.
If seven bench players are suspended (assuming no participants are included), four of
them would be suspended for the first game following the altercation. The remaining three
would be suspended for the second game following the altercation.
d. A player, coach or assistant coach, upon being notified by an official that he has been
ejected from the game, must leave the playing area IMMEDIATELY and remain in the dressing
room of his team during such suspension until completion of the game or leave the building.
Violation of this rule shall call for an automatic fine of $500. A fine not to exceed $50,000
and possible forfeiture of the game may be imposed for any violation of this rule.

[judaspriestess]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

fuck off? such anger. are you pissed off that your fucking retarded center did a fucking retarded move? I personally don't care if he gets suspended or not.

The Spurs lost this game, the suns capatalized on the Spurs blowing it in the last three minutes. Thank your team for atleast having the balls to do that.

[SA210]

Suspend them. Period.

[rayray2k8]

You're right... you won't! :p:
:lol
Well I think the suns are still good w/o amare but the odds are against them in that game, they're gonna have to look into the crowd for support and mulitple double teams on duncan.
It's possible.
I wonder how many games horry will get?
Is at flagernt foul 2 an automatic suspension?

[sunsbum]

heres whats funny. when we were arguing the past few days about bruce being dirty, and spurs posters on this board would call out raja as being dirty, they would always point to the kobe bryant clothesline. NOW all of a sudden SINCE one of their boys did almost the same exact thing...its NOT dirty... wishy washy bullshit all over this board.

[Kobulingam]

According to the rules I posted above, Amare is suspended without a doubt.

[blaze89]

Maybe it's an afterthought, but with all the talk that Amare did for almost a week now and then leaving the bench onto the floor (for whatever reason) would that be enough to suspend him?

I'm thinking all the talk he did will come back to haunt him here. I didn't see Amare holding anyone back, he was being held back by asst. coaches. They knew what could happen and from looking at D'Antoni in the post game interview, he may be expecting the worse.

No one knows until tomorrow but if the NBA goes by the letter of the law - fair or unfair - most likely Horry, Amare and Diaw are suspended.

[Budkin]

Suspend all three... they are all pricks.

[AnkleBreaker21]

Amare and Diaw are gone they have to be thats the fucking rules, you cant leave that bench at all, question is bell gone to for throwing the punch

[sunsbum]

weve played without amare this entire series... i just hope boris doesnt get suspended.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I've never been more completely in agreement with AHF in my posting spurstalk life.


You think Horry is a bad guy, he is an emotional guy and dammit anyone with eyes saw the Suns whining pay off, now they fuckign reap what they sow. I want all suspensions, fuck them, then if the Suns still win so be it, but rules are rules and you reap what you sow.


A-fucking-men. :tu

[IX_Equilibrium]

I'd prefer no Suns suspensions. Its not really warranted.


Agreed

[Man Mountain]

heres whats funny. when we were arguing the past few days about bruce being dirty, and spurs posters on this board would call out raja as being dirty, they would always point to the kobe bryant clothesline. NOW all of a sudden SINCE one of their boys did almost the same exact thing...its NOT dirty... wishy washy bullshit all over this board.

Oh I think every Spurs fan knows the shot by Horry on Nash was dirty.

As was Raja's hit on Oberto tonight.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I'm pissed as all hell at Robert Horry for this.

The check (and it was a good hard unnecessary body check, that's all - hardly the dirtiest move ever) was a really poor decision.

And according to the rules of the game, Amare and Diaw should be suspended. It's an aspect of the game you may like or hate, but those are the rules. Just like offensive fouls and no handchecks on the perimeter.

But if the league wasn't already pissed off at the Spurs and the low rating prospects, then now they are, because they have to suspend Amare and Diaw and if they don't, they eat egg.

But then the excuses start for everyone. If the Spurs manage to pull it out, it'll be tarnished by that play.

Fucking bad move Robert Horry.

The NBA is pissed at Amare and Diaw for being dumb fucks and putting them in a position where they HAVE to suspend them. If Amare and Diaw were as smart as, say, Jalen Rose (who has the IQ of garbage but is still smart enough to keep his ass on the bench) - then they wouldn't be suspended. They know the rule, they broke it. It's the LAW of the NBA.

If anything, this is going to boost the Spurs ratings. The league will love it, because now the Spurs have become the Pistons of the late 80's. They aren't boring any more. Now, they're the dirtiest and edgiest team in the NBA. You think you can cheap shot them all game like the Suns did tonight? Well, here you go Mr. Nash - eat some fucking table and watch your dumb as shit teammates screw the team over.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

heres whats funny. when we were arguing the past few days about bruce being dirty, and spurs posters on this board would call out raja as being dirty, they would always point to the kobe bryant clothesline. NOW all of a sudden SINCE one of their boys did almost the same exact thing...its NOT dirty... wishy washy bullshit all over this board.

If you think a hip check in any way equates to a clothesline, you're a fucking moron.

[Kobulingam]

Trust me Amare is gone. In the past the NBA has suspended stars for just moving a little away from the bench. They don't waiver on this rule.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What Horry did was flat out wrong and without a doubt the DIRTIEST thing done by the spurs this series--it was the ONLY dirty thing, but it came to that point because of a number of other reasons and Suns should suffer the consequences for breaking rules just like we do.

[PM5K]

There's no question Robert is dirty, I remember when he punched a Spur in the nuts when he was a Laker.

[dbreiden83080]

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the
immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of
one game and fined up to $50,000.



There you go so it means nothing whether Amare was checking in or not he was not playing in the game when this happened so by the letter of the law he is GONE for game 5.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nash just admitted in the post-game that those two left the bench, but tried to explain it away by saying there was no fight :rolleyes

Dude just admitted his own guys left the bench. Game over :lol

[kris]

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the
immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of
one game and fined up to $50,000.

Amare and Boris were near the immediate vicinity of their bench.

NO SUSPENSIONS AFTER ALL.

[ThomasGranger]

heres whats funny. when we were arguing the past few days about bruce being dirty, and spurs posters on this board would call out raja as being dirty, they would always point to the kobe bryant clothesline. NOW all of a sudden SINCE one of their boys did almost the same exact thing...its NOT dirty... wishy washy bullshit all over this board.

Horry's cheap shot was dirty and I imagine all but the most homerish of Spurs fans would agree with that.

[bonesinaz]

Shaq even called them out, said they knew what they were doing when they left the bench.

And what Shaq says is gospel now?

The stage was set, and the refs looked the other way all game long tonight while Phoenix took cheap shot after cheap shot at the Spurs because of all your team's pansy ass fucking whining.

Who was whining tonight??? :lol



Ah, too much drama in this series, I wish we could just play it out and let the best team win.


In order to do that, you would have to muzzle your coach and Amare-my-IQ-is-59-Stoudamire.

And as far as Shaq goes, he has no dog in this fight and he just said what every player knows.

[anonymous coward]

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

[Marcus Bryant]

What sold it was Nash flopping and D'Antoni's hysterics. Oh well, I'll take Horry for Stoudemire + Bell in Game 5.

[SpursFanFirst]

I love it...Amare in a bold face lie...they're replaying the video as he's saying he was heading into the game... :lol He's so full of crap.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Amare said in his interview that he was walking up on the scorers table when the HIT happened, and that he was trying to check in. Is this fuck so dumb that he doesn't think any cameras are on? On a game on national FUCKING TV? Fuck this dumb ass liar. Fuck him.

[sabar]

Who cares about judgement of the situation? The rules are the rules, all three are gone next game, for the same reason that a 3 pt shot isn't randomly worth 4 points, it's the rules.

[sunsbum]

If you think a hip check in any way equates to a clothesline, you're a fucking moron.


a hip check LOL.

get your eyes checked pop.

[Mixability]

I'd prefer no Suns suspensions. Its not really warranted.

:tu

Fuck beating them without Amare.

[Fillmoe]

I wish the search option was on so I could read how you Spurs fans were crying about Matt Barnes laying out that NBDL player James White....... Funny how things change when its your own team.........

[CosmicCowboy]

Playoff veteran move by Horry. Damn...he knew they would screw up. I think he renegaded that one.

I love the playoffs.

Amare was a total bitch in the after game interview.

[Amarelooms]

Haha Spurs fans are sad...even if they get suspended and you win Game 5 I have no doubt the Suns will be so pumped and pissed and so will the league that NO WAY you win game 6...the Suns and the refs won;t allow it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Diaw's gone for sure, Amare who knows?

[judaspriestess]

heres whats funny. when we were arguing the past few days about bruce being dirty, and spurs posters on this board would call out raja as being dirty, they would always point to the kobe bryant clothesline. NOW all of a sudden SINCE one of their boys did almost the same exact thing...its NOT dirty... wishy washy bullshit all over this board.

its the playoffs bitch, rough play happens and if your pussy team can't handle it they don't deserve to win. Horry did not do a clothesline on steve nash either. stop trying to justify.

on edit: AND if it was the other way around, I'm sure about 1000 of you whiny fans would personally drive a tape to Stern and scream bloody murder. So STFU really!!

[Kevin Blackistone]

What sold it was Nash flopping and D'Antoni's hysterics. Oh well, I'll take Horry for Stoudemire + Bell in Game 5.

Don't forget Diaw. Bell for the punch, Diaw and Stoudemire for leaving the court. Horry for the big, ahh cheap shot. The Suns are stupid as hell - I guess that's what controlled chaos gets you.

[Spurologist]

Hooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyy in clutch

Causes two suspensions on Diaw and Amare.

LMAO

[Fillmoe]

I'll offer an even trade - Raja had a high 'bow on Oberto and then came in and elbowed Horry in the grill in retaliation late. Suspend him, let Amare and Boris stick around.



http://gallery.upshizzle.com/albums/05.07/horry%20bell.gif



who elbowed who?

[Marcus Bryant]

I saw harder fouls in the game and some weak ones that were called on the Spurs. TD's #5 was pretty lame.

[blaze89]

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the
immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of
one game and fined up to $50,000.

Amare and Boris were near the immediate vicinity of their bench.

NO SUSPENSIONS AFTER ALL.

He was on the court and went past the line near the scorer's table, once he passed the line he was then held back.

It's judgement call however the NBA does not want to risk itself by setting a precedent of not suspending a player in enforcing this rule, particularly when in the past, players who may have caught themselves or made a small step were suspended.

[Kobulingam]

There you go so it means nothing whether Amare was checking in or not he was not playing in the game when this happened so by the letter of the law he is GONE for game 5.

It wasn't even borderline. Amare did more than enough to earn a suspension. His ass was SITTING DOWN before Nash fell from the cheap shot.

[Trainwreck2100]

Two words people

YOU TUBE!!!!!

It's the suns favorite tool after all.

[ThomasGranger]

Horry's dirty as hell








but in a good way.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://gallery.upshizzle.com/albums/05.07/horry%20bell.gif



who elbowed who?

Rewind it

[freedom&justice]

bad move for Horry - he's definitely gone for game 5. Diaw and Amare too, probably. they didn't do anything, but, rules are rules, league's gonna have to dole out punishment evenly, otherwise there's gonna be hell to pay down the line.

You had to sense something like this was gonna happen once little Steve Nash gets into it with 6'11 Tim Duncan in the game.

[Kevin Blackistone]

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the
immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of
one game and fined up to $50,000.

Amare and Boris were near the immediate vicinity of their bench.

NO SUSPENSIONS AFTER ALL.

They both were well past vicinity, as even so the NBA set the precedent when they suspended Barkley a game for merely stepping on the court and then stepping off. There's no question about it - they are either gone for 5 or the NBA has no integrity left, not even any integrity with their rules. Might as well change the name to NBE - National Basketball Entertainment - if the league lets the Suns off the hook. It will be fixed sport if that happens. It would also be fixed if Amare, Diaw, and Bell are suspended and Horry isn't - he checked Nash intentionally in retaliation for all the cheap shots the Suns laid down over the entire game.

[BillsCarnage]

Oh fuck the hell off. Have you read ANY of my posts tonight? That WAS a good hard check. It was a GOOD HARD CHECK. Read my words. Checks are NOT basketball. They are HOCKEY. I did not defend Horry ONCE tonight and said he should be gone, because that was horrible what he did to Nash.

Get a grip.

it would have been a hard check had Horry not raised the elbow up to shoulder level. That's what will get him suspended.

[Scumbag]

Amare told the league this Spurs were a dirty team and something needed to be done. Stern decided to do NOTHING. This is all on him.

Amare has a pretty good case because of his prior "bitching".

Besides, they "stayed in the immediate vicinity of their bench."

[dbreiden83080]

He was on the court and went past the line near the scorer's table, once he passed the line he was then held back.

It's judgement call however the NBA does not want to risk itself by setting a precedent of not suspending a player in enforcing this rule, particularly when in the past, players who may have caught themselves or made a small step were suspended.

I am telling you right now Amare is gone. I live in NY and when this happened to the Knicks in 97 against the Heat when Charlie Ward was body slammed to the floor by Mourning, Ewing stepped one foot on the court much less than Amare did and he was gone from the next game. By the letter of the law the NBA has to suspend Amare and Boris. Horry was out of line and that was dirty but Amare and Boris are responsible for their reaction to what Horry did.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://gallery.upshizzle.com/albums/05.07/horry%20bell.gif



who elbowed who?

I love the selective editing there. The Raja Bell elbow came prior to that, when Bell came in from behind and to the side of Horry and spun him around.

[Scumbag]

I just watched the replay.. Raja runs up to Horry talking shit with his arms out and Horry hits him with an elbow.

[Trainwreck2100]

Amare told the league this Spurs were a dirty team and something needed to be done. Stern decided to do NOTHING. This is all on him.

Amare has a pretty good case because of his prior "bitching".

Besides, they "stayed in the immediate vicinity of their bench."


I remember once a player got suspended for putting one foot on the court.

[kris]

They both were well past vicinity, as even so the NBA set the precedent when they suspended Barkley a game for merely stepping on the court and then stepping off. There's no question about it - they are either gone for 5 or the NBA has no integrity left, not even any integrity with their rules. Might as well change the name to NBE - National Basketball Entertainment - if the league lets the Suns off the hook. It will be fixed sport if that happens. It would also be fixed if Amare, Diaw, and Bell are suspended and Horry isn't - he checked Nash intentionally in retaliation for all the cheap shots the Suns laid down over the entire game.

Is there any conceivable argument for Amare not getting suspended?

[TampaDude]

Playoff veteran move by Horry. Damn...he knew they would screw up. I think he renegaded that one.

I love the playoffs.

Amare was a total bitch in the after game interview.

I can't believe he could say that with a straight face...what a lying sack of shit. Hey, Amare...the camera doesn't lie!!! You're gone next game! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[sabar]

Amare told the league this Spurs were a dirty team and something needed to be done. Stern decided to do NOTHING. This is all on him.

Amare has a pretty good case because of his prior "bitching".

Besides, they "stayed in the immediate vicinity of their bench."Amare whined to the media, Stern didn't need to do anything.
How long have you been watching the NBA? Every time a toe has gone onto the court, the player was suspended. Why is Amare special? Replays already show that he wasn't headed to check-in. What's the magical excuse?

[Kobulingam]

Amare told the league this Spurs were a dirty team and something needed to be done. Stern decided to do NOTHING. This is all on him.

Amare has a pretty good case because of his prior "bitching".

Besides, they "stayed in the immediate vicinity of their bench."

No. HE GOT UP FROM THE BENCH AND STEPPED ON THE COURT (look at his foot).

[Cherry]

What sold it was Nash flopping and D'Antoni's hysterics. Oh well, I'll take Horry for Stoudemire + Bell in Game 5.

Bell too? :dizzy

[TampaDude]

Is there any conceivable argument for Amare not getting suspended?

Yes, one. Corruption in the NBA.

[Scumbag]

Amare whined to the media, Stern didn't need to do anything.
How long have you been watching the NBA? Every time a tow has gone onto the court, the player was suspended. Why is Amare special? Replays already show that he wasn't headed to check-in. What's the magical excuse?


This is my first day... you got me. :rolleyes


I am curious to see the camera on the Spurs bench. See if we can ticy tac suspend some of them.

[Mr. Body]

Horry could be gone for more than one game. I wonder. If so, he could have just played his last game ever.

[ATXSPUR]

You know the league is going to protect stoudewhiner....Horry will be suspended and no suns will. But I dont even care. I am more disgusted with the Spurs performance than anything. I dont blame the refs

[lefty]

WTF ? Has Nash lost a tooth in the process ?

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0514/nba_a_nash_horry2_412.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is there any conceivable argument for Amare not getting suspended?

Well, David Stern is the commissioner....

[Amarelooms]

Horry could be gone for more than one game. I wonder. If so, he could have just played his last game ever.

If the league does suspend Amare and Diaw don't be surprised for Horry to be gone for the rest of this series ie 3 games...you can't reward a team for taking a cheap shot :elephant

[Booyah30]

Why should the Suns be penalized that harshly when a moron like Horry does that? I understand the purpose of the rule, but what if the Suns send a goon to get into a fight with Duncan, what would we say then? I don't think they should be suspended. lets beat them at full strenth. Are we not good enough???

[freedom&justice]

dayum Amare, what do you take us fans for, idiots? sheesh.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Horry could be gone for more than one game. I wonder. If so, he could have just played his last game ever.

I think they'd have a REALLY hard time justifying that, with no punches thrown.

[Mixability]

I want to see 2 teams at full strength battle it out. Not the bullshit if Amare, Diaw and Horry are out. Stupidest move by a Spur since Rod Strickland vs. Portland.

[L.I.T]

Rules are rules...apply the rules. And no Spurs fan is defending Horry, what he did was over the line and could have resulted in a serious injury.

Amare and Diaw left the immediate vicinity of the bench, that is undeniable. It doesn't matter provocation, need etc, the league needs to issue three suspensions for this game.

Oh and if you're going to use the Horry thing to say the Spurs are dirty. I'll take the Marion eye completely out of context and say the Suns are dirty and want to maim their opponents for life.

[CosmicCowboy]

Suns did OK last year without Amare.

Lets face the fact that we blew a 10 point lead iin the 4th.

That wasn't Spurs basketball.

[dbreiden83080]

You know the league is going to protect stoudewhiner....Horry will be suspended and no suns will. But I dont even care. I am more disgusted with the Spurs performance than anything. I dont blame the refs

Who is a better all time player Ewing or Amare? Ewing got run for a playoff game for barely stepping on the court in 97. Amare is gone by the letter of the law he was on the bench and left it and he will be suspended.

[Scumbag]

Amare whined to the media, Stern didn't need to do anything.



by the way.. this ending was really obvious nothing needed to be done. :rolleyes

The rest of the world have been calling the Spurs dirty this whole series, some fans for years. If they would have poped Bowen with a 1 game for his previous footwork, none of this would have happened. You people still think all these cheap shots are coincidences. I am just wondering when you will finally realize you are turning into the old Raiders.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why should the Suns be penalized that harshly when a moron like Horry does that? I understand the purpose of the rule, but what if the Suns send a goon to get into a fight with Duncan, what would we say then? I don't think they should be suspended. lets beat them at full strenth. Are we not good enough???

Two things:

1. It's a rule.

2. If you're going to troll and talk shit about the Spurs, at least pick the right team in your avatar, Bucks fan.

[bigFUNDAMENTAL]

There's no question Robert is dirty, I remember when he punched a Spur in the nuts when he was a Laker.
i think Horry is just frustrated with the bad calls...
expect some fines and suspensions in game 5

[Amarelooms]

Rules are rules...apply the rules. And no Spurs fan is defending Horry, what he did was over the line and could have resulted in a serious injury.

Amare and Diaw left the immediate vicinity of the bench, that is undeniable. It doesn't matter provocation, need etc, the league needs to issue three suspensions for this game.

Oh and if you're going to use the Horry thing to say the Spurs are dirty. I'll take the Marion eye completely out of context and say the Suns are dirty and want to maim their opponents for life.

You are a moron...why are some Spurs fans on here such homers lol. Marion was going for the ball and hit his eye/face...shit happens. Horry made no play on the ball what so ever and clearly was trying to injure. Game was over and really no need to foul in the first place. :elephant

[ducks]

Horry Will Be Gone For 2 Games

[Booyah30]

Of course you would take it out of context. I love the Spurs, but this over the line stuff in the NBA is getting old, Horry, Bell last year. Play the game and don't penalize the others

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

by the way.. this ending was really obvious nothing needed to be done. :rolleyes

The rest of the world have been calling the Spurs dirty this whole series, some fans for years. If they would have poped Bowen with a 1 game for his previous footwork, none of this would have happened. You people still think all these cheap shots are coincidences. I am just wondering when you will finally realize you are turning into the old Raiders.

Well look on the bright side, despite your team's pussy ass whining, now the rest of the world finally has a legitimate reason to call us dirty.

Shit happens, and so does stupidity by Amare and Boris. :lol

[sabar]

Why should the Suns be penalized that harshly when a moron like Horry does that? I understand the purpose of the rule, but what if the Suns send a goon to get into a fight with Duncan, what would we say then? I don't think they should be suspended. lets beat them at full strenth. Are we not good enough???Uh, then nothing happens, the goon gets suspended because the Spurs bench isn't retarded enough to run onto the court during a fight. If anything, Amare probably still runs onto the court and gets suspended there too. :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Uh, then nothing happens, the goon gets suspended because the Spurs bench isn't retarded enough to run onto the court during a fight. If anything, Amare probably still runs onto the court and gets suspended there too. :lol

Don't waste your time. You're arguing with a guy with Milwaukee Bucks in his avatar that is claiming to be a Spurs fan :lol

[Booyah30]

So they wouldn't take up for Duncan!!!!!

[Mixability]

A rule is a rule, we all understand that. But I don't want a Spurs win under the circumstances of Amare and/or Diaw being suspended. So now it's cool for us to be a dirty team as long as we're effective into baiting the opposing team into a fight? I'm a fan of basketball, the last sequences tonight were not basketball.

[Kori Ellis]

My guess is that they all get suspended - Horry, Amare and Diaw. And I think they'll look at Raja too. I honestly wish none of them would get suspended though. When a team is missing a key player, they almost always beat the Spurs this year.

Anyway, totally bonehead move by Horry.

And Raja was acting quite, dare I say, dirty tonight.

[Amarelooms]

Uh, then nothing happens, the goon gets suspended because the Spurs bench isn't retarded enough to run onto the court during a fight. If anything, Amare probably still runs onto the court and gets suspended there too. :lol

Maybe the goon should take a cheap shot punch right to Duncan's eye...thus causing Duncan to miss the game...how is that for ya lol :elephant

[Booyah30]

Favorite team is Bucks, but we know that doesn't go that far. And yes I do like the Spurs

[anonymous coward]

so the spurs are not good enough to beat the suns that you are hoping for amare to get suspended????? :lmao

[Booyah30]

Exactly

[dougp]

I support what Horry did - he showed emotion. Honestly, he should have put him down harder if it was intentional.

IMO, Horry threw the foul, Nash leaned in and when he rolled off, couldn't catch his footing and fell into the table. It was a hard foul, warranted and if it was intentional, would have been a LOT harder, and Nash wouldn't have gotten up.

Horry - Fined and suspended.
Amare - Fined and suspended.
Diaw - Fined and suspended.

Bell - Fined, possible suspension.

Nash should be fined for his reaction, he should not have attempted to go after Horry.

[Louie Vega]

Let me get this strait... your team acts like a buncha bitches and crosses the line and you EXPECT the league to help you out?

Fuck off.

The Spurs acting like some bitches? This coming from a guy who's team sends a tape to the league office after each and every game just to see what sticks? And who's star player cried and whined to the media like a little bitch cause the Spurs are to physical? Come to think of it YOU sound just like a little bitch too motherfucker!

[easjer]

Just one game each Kori?

While Robert Horry made a stupid decision and a cheap shot, I didn't think it would warrant more than a game. Am I right?

[Scumbag]

I am willing to bet a few spurs players stepped over the out of bounds line.

If we lose 2 starters because a thug of a dirty team decides to goon the game up I say we send in a few goons to even the score in game 5... that sound fair spurs fans? Of course not.

[Amarelooms]

I support what Horry did - he showed emotion. Honestly, he should have put him down harder if it was intentional.

IMO, Horry threw the foul, Nash leaned in and when he rolled off, couldn't catch his footing and fell into the table. It was a hard foul, warranted and if it was intentional, would have been a LOT harder, and Nash wouldn't have gotten up.

Horry - Fined and suspended.
Amare - Fined and suspended.
Diaw - Fined and suspended.

Bell - Fined, possible suspension.

Nash should be fined for his reaction, he should not have attempted to go after Horry.

HAHAHA :elephant

[ATXSPUR]

Who is a better all time player Ewing or Amare? Ewing got run for a playoff game for barely stepping on the court in 97. Amare is gone by the letter of the law he was on the bench and left it and he will be suspended.

Well let us hope you are right and justice is served. But after a night like tonight I am just in a very down trodden mood. Hopefully I will see this with fresh eyes in the morning.

[ploto]

I think they'd have a REALLY hard time justifying that, with no punches thrown.
But I think Horry may have...

I was just saying to someone that Horry could be out for more than one game- esp. if they suspend these other players one game, they may want to give him a bigger penalty- since he started it. Like in the Malice at the Palace, they said the one who starts it bears a large burden for what happened...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So they wouldn't take up for Duncan!!!!!

There's four players on the court for that, and everyone on the Spurs bench has an IQ over 40.

[Mixability]

If any of the Suns are suspended, fine. But when we're begging for it, just because it's the "rules", then we just look like little bitches with no faith in our team.

[sabar]

Maybe the goon should take a cheap shot punch right to Duncan's eye...thus causing Duncan to miss the game...how is that for ya lol :elephantDuncan can play with one eye.

[Louie Vega]

The only bad thing about Horry laying that bitch out the way he did is that he did it too late in the game! He should have done it at the beginning of the 4th!

[Kori Ellis]

I am willing to bet a few spurs players stepped over the out of bounds line.

If we lose 2 starters because a thug of a dirty team decides to goon the game up I say we send in a few goons to even the score in game 5... that sound fair spurs fans? Of course not.


I don't think any Spurs players got off the bench and stepped on the court. But I agree it would suck for the Suns if they lost both players because of Horry's antics. But it is a rule and every team knows about it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am willing to bet a few spurs players stepped over the out of bounds line.

If we lose 2 starters because a thug of a dirty team decides to goon the game up I say we send in a few goons to even the score in game 5... that sound fair spurs fans? Of course not.

That's about as mature as Amare crying for the last 10 days about someone getting in his way when he's trying to dunk.

Go ahead and send in a few goons, then maybe the league will just boot your asses out of the playoffs altogether. What are you, 12?

[ponky]

:lmao, you have got to be fucking kidding me, go fuck yourself (original poster, i don't read anymore of this crappy thread)

[sunsbum]

If any of the Suns are suspended, fine. But when we're begging for it, just because it's the "rules", then we just look like little bitches with no faith in our team.
:clap

some of these homers are pretty ridiculous.

[ploto]

I am willing to bet a few spurs players stepped over the out of bounds line.

Players do that ALL the time-- the bench is so close to the line and their feet are so big... Truth be told I saw other players not mentioned in this thread over the line- for both teams.

[SpursFanFirst]

I support what Horry did - he showed emotion. Honestly, he should have put him down harder if it was intentional.

IMO, Horry threw the foul, Nash leaned in and when he rolled off, couldn't catch his footing and fell into the table. It was a hard foul, warranted and if it was intentional, would have been a LOT harder, and Nash wouldn't have gotten up.

Horry - Fined and suspended.
Amare - Fined and suspended.
Diaw - Fined and suspended.

Bell - Fined, possible suspension.

Nash should be fined for his reaction, he should not have attempted to go after Horry.

Why would Nash be fined for his reaction? He ATTEMPTED to go after Horry, but wasn't successful...why would he be fined for that?
I didn't see the Bell "punch." Was that at the same time all this other stuff was happening, or was it earlier in the game?

[Booyah30]

you guys are afraid of them aren't you. Have to hope to beat them with a weak team.

[easjer]

I think a lot of this goes on the refs for their poor officiating. They let things get way out of control and then reigned in one side. That doesn't excuse what Horry did - but Bell had more than 1 elbow that was not called. Emotions were already running high and the refs fed into it instead of corralling it, imo.

[BillsCarnage]

My guess is that they all get suspended - Horry, Amare and Diaw. And I think they'll look at Raja too. I honestly wish none of them would get suspended though. When a team is missing a key player, they almost always beat the Spurs this year.

Anyway, totally bonehead move by Horry.

And Raja was acting quite, dare I say, dirty tonight.

As I've said, I don't think Amare or Diaw should be suspended as they didn't join the altercation. The rule was created to keep people who come in and start swinging off the court. Had they got involved, I'd say suspend them.

Horry on the other hand... An F2 will always lead to a suspension. Had Horry not raised the elbow like he did it would have just been a hard foul or F1. The raising of the elbow is what got him the F2.

[Scumbag]

The Spurs acting like some bitches? This coming from a guy who's team sends a tape to the league office after each and every game just to see what sticks? And who's star player cried and whined to the media like a little bitch cause the Spurs are to physical? Come to think of it YOU sound just like a little bitch too motherfucker!


We got another Internet Tough Guy!!!! :nerd

[Amarelooms]

you guys are afraid of them aren't you. Have to hope to beat them with a weak team.

I think Utah can beat either the Suns or Spurs actually. If the Spurs want to get dirty and physical Utah will beat them up lol :elephant

[Booyah30]

I agree the referee's let the game get out of control. lots of fouls in the end not called

[Louie Vega]

Haha Spurs can't beat the Suns so they want Amare suspended. So sad. Classless play by Horry caused the whole thing. If that's the case then Horry should be suspended for the rest of the series.


Bitch mavs and their fans watching the big dogs play cause they can't handle a #8 seed! Pathetic motherfuckers!

[L.I.T]

you guys are afraid of them aren't you. Have to hope to beat them with a weak team.

Bucks fan, STFU. Or at least change your team and troll a little better.

[lrrr]

How is that? I see where you're coming from, and I would like to see it go full strength as well - but you have to follow the rules. This has been the most widely known NBA rule for over 10 years now - if you leave the bench and go on the court during an altercation, you get a 1 game suspension. That's it... you can't make allowances because it's the playoffs and because it's a certain player. That's been the rule for longer than either guy has been in the league, and they broke it. They must now pay the price. Their stupidity is costing them.

If TD, TP, Manu, or any other Spur left the bench during an altercation, they'd deserve a 1 gamer too. They do deserve it for being stupid, as does Horry for the shoulder shot into the table.

On another note - we may have to redefine "Big Shot Rob" if the league holds their integrity and does what they have to do to maintain any respect for the rules and integrity of the game. Did he do that shit on purpose hoping for Suns stupidity? Surely not, but it makes you wonder.

:lol :lol :lol
Robert Horry's BBall IQ is off the charts!

[E20]

The Spurs can beat the Spurs W/O Amare and Diaw and with them, let the leauge make some bullshit call to allow the Suns fast paced offense to continue it's playoff run with them they will lose to the Spurs anyway. It's obvious that the Suns can only beat the Spurs 8 on 5.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Here's what's comical -

All the Suns fans (and some Spurs fans) saying Horry should be suspended for losing his cool, but Amare and Boris shouldn't be suspended for losing theirs.

You can't have it both ways, people.

[UV Ray]

Well let us hope you are right and justice is served. But after a night like tonight I am just in a very down trodden mood. Hopefully I will see this with fresh eyes in the morning.
I don't know why. The Suns will most likely lose two starters. What's wrong with you people? Or maybe down deep inside you feel like maybe you deserve to lose.

[BillsCarnage]

If any of the Suns are suspended, fine. But when we're begging for it, just because it's the "rules", then we just look like little bitches with no faith in our team.

Finally, a voice of reason.

[Louie Vega]

We got another Internet Tough Guy!!!! :nerd


I didn't mean to scare you with the use of foul language! Does your mom know you are on the net right now?

[Amarelooms]

Bitch mavs and their fans watching the big dogs play cause they can't handle a #8 seed! Pathetic motherfuckers!

haha at least the Mavs didn't body check their opponent into the scorers table. Take your loss like a man :elephant

[Booyah30]

Losing cool would be running a hitting Horry. Not walking toward something

[ponky]

I think Utah can beat either the Suns or Spurs actually. If the Spurs want to get dirty and physical Utah will beat them up lol :elephant


After watching these series and following Utah's game, I'm starting to think the same thing...I've talked to two Spurs fans the other day who think the same thing too, weird, because I discounted the Jazz earlier this season.

[Scumbag]

Bitch mavs and their fans watching the big dogs play cause they can't handle a #8 seed! Pathetic motherfuckers!


MAN! is this guy TOUGH!

[sunsbum]

Here's what's comical -

All the Suns fans (and some Spurs fans) saying Horry should be suspended for losing his cool, but Amare and Boris shouldn't be suspended for losing theirs.

You can't have it both ways, people.


lol your reasoning is comical.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think a lot of this goes on the refs for their poor officiating. They let things get way out of control and then reigned in one side. That doesn't excuse what Horry did - but Bell had more than 1 elbow that was not called. Emotions were already running high and the refs fed into it instead of corralling it, imo.

I've been saying this for about 5 pages now. The league and refs contributed to this. They let Phoenix whine for a week now, upgraded Bowen's foul to a flagrant, and then the officiating was decidedly one-sided tonight while Phoenix played their most physical game of the series.

Yeah, it boiled over for Horry tonight, but he was just paying back all the bullshit that had been going on all night with interest.

[Kobulingam]

Players do that ALL the time-- the bench is so close to the line and their feet are so big... Truth be told I saw other players not mentioned in this thread over the line- for both teams.

That's cool. Luckily Finley, Manu, Duncan, Parker can't be suspended.

I hope Vaughn, Elson, Beno stepped onto the court.

[easjer]

After watching these series and following Utah's game, I'm starting to think the same thing...I've talked to two Spurs fans the other day who think the same thing too, weird, because I discounted the Jazz earlier this season.


I was pissed when the Rockets lost, because I didn't want the possibility of playing the Jazz out there. They sucked a lot towards the end, but they've shown up when it counts.

It'll be a tough matchup for whoever comes out of this PHX/SA series.

[iflyabeech]

haha at least the Mavs didn't body check their opponent into the scorers table. Take your loss like a man :elephant

Lest we forget about last years series.............


shut up you fag your gay ass team already lost

[Louie Vega]

I don't know why. The Suns will most likely lose two starters. What's wrong with you people? Or maybe down deep inside you feel like maybe you deserve to lose.

Paybacks a motherfucker! Spurs fans don't want those 2 bitches suspended cause they fear them! Spurs fans want them gone cause the Suns mail every little bump foul to the league to see if they can get some of the Spurs suspended! And it seems like it is the SUns who fear the Spurs! Or don't you remember Amare crying on national TV like a bitch cause the Spurs are too physical? Who's afraid of who BITCH!!!!!

[ponky]

The problem with the whole bench clearing thing is it should be put into context when determining suspensions. If the Suns players went to the fracas, re, to Horry/Raja, then alright, maybe a suspension for Diaw. If they ran over to Nash, they shouldn't be suspended for that...I have yet to watch the replay so I don't remember where they went. As for that little bitch, Horry, he definitely should be suspended not so much for the foul, but for the b.s. afterwards. It's alright to foul hard but he's such a bitch that he couldn't even go over to Nash after the foul and help him up. Nash went over to Parker when they collided, don't expect the same from a sorry bitch like Horry.

[Jdspur20]

So if the Spurs played stupid tonight, why should AMare and Boris catch a break for reacting stupidly?

Fuck that logic.


GREAT post. sums it up for the night.

[dougp]

Why would Nash be fined for his reaction? He ATTEMPTED to go after Horry, but wasn't successful...why would he be fined for that?
I didn't see the Bell "punch." Was that at the same time all this other stuff was happening, or was it earlier in the game?
Nash's reaction was poor - he shouldn't have done anything ... he's always exhibited great character and judgement in the past, and this got the best of him.

And I'm speaking of Bell's turning Horry and shoving him ... and for his bullshit elbows earlier in the game.

[ploto]

From now on when anyone claims the Spurs are dirty, they simply have to show this= a blatant, intentional dirty play that was not a body check nor a good, hard foul- but an unnecessary deliberate cheap shot at the smallest guy on the court from a guy who weighs 50 pounds more than he does. The fact that the Spurs had just blown the game makes it even worse. Like it or not- it gives credence to both past and future claims of the dirtiness of the Spurs.

[bonesinaz]

That's cool. Luckily Finley, Manu, Duncan, Parker can't be suspended.

I hope Vaughn, Elson, Beno stepped onto the court.
:lol :lol

[monosylab1k]

Here's what's comical -

All the Suns fans (and some Spurs fans) saying Horry should be suspended for losing his cool, but Amare and Boris shouldn't be suspended for losing theirs.

You can't have it both ways, people.

what's comical is equating Horry's actions with Stoudemire's and Diaw's.

if Amare & Boris get suspended for 1 game as they rightfully should, then Horry should be out for the remainder of the series.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

haha at least the Mavs didn't body check their opponent into the scorers table. Take your loss like a man :elephant

Yeah, they should be more like the Mavs and punch people in the balls, slam players in the corner by the bench, etc. Thanks for the insight.



The worst part about all this is the clowns on NBATV trying to justify Amare's 'substitution' excuse. :lol

[UV Ray]

We got another Internet Tough Guy!!!! :nerd
pathetic

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The problem with the whole bench clearing thing is it should be put into context when determining suspensions. If the Suns players went to the fracas, re, to Horry/Raja, then alright, maybe a suspension for Diaw. If they ran over to Nash, they shouldn't be suspended for that...I have yet to watch the replay so I don't remember where they went. As for that little bitch, Horry, he definitely should be suspended not so much for the foul, but for the b.s. afterwards. It's alright to foul hard but he's such a bitch that he couldn't even go over to Nash after the foul and help him up. Nash went over to Parker when they collided, don't expect the same from a sorry bitch like Horry.

Yeah, Horry should stand over Nash like Terry did to Finley after punching him in the balls.

Fuck off, stupid Dallas wench.

[ATXSPUR]

Oh there is going to be hell to pay for somebody in the morning. TERRIBLE THINGS ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN!!!

[Louie Vega]

haha at least the Mavs didn't body check their opponent into the scorers table. Take your loss like a man :elephant


Thanks for proving my point! It's called being SOFT! That's why you lost to an #8!

[Kobulingam]

what's comical is equating Horry's actions with Stoudemire's and Diaw's.

if Amare & Boris get suspended for 1 game as they rightfully should, then Horry should be out for the remainder of the series.

Don't think so. The two things aren't related.

Horry body checked Nash harder than he should have. Didn't go for the head, didn't swing at him. And the Spurs needed to foul him too. Horry did the right thing, but did it too hard, that's all.

Compare this to the elbows Bell was throwing.

[bonesinaz]

Ok, I LOVE the dirty check Horry gave Nash.

I am a DIRTY SPURS FAN :fro

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

what's comical is equating Horry's actions with Stoudemire's and Diaw's.

if Amare & Boris get suspended for 1 game as they rightfully should, then Horry should be out for the remainder of the series.

Why?

By rules set forth by the league, Horry gets a 1 game suspension for a flagrant 2.

By rules set forth by the league, those two get a 1 game suspension for leaving the bench.

And you wonder why Cuban and 99% of Mavs fans bitch about the league being fixed? It's because they bitch about the league trying to twist rules into a gray area to protect the stars, the exact thing you are now advocating.

Lame.

[sunsbum]

Thanks for proving my point! It's called being SOFT! That's why you lost to an #8!

great logic... thats obviously how basketball should be played :rolleyes

[1SUNSFAN]

Don't think so. The two things aren't related.

Horry body checked Nash harder than he should have. Didn't go for the head, didn't swing at him. And the Spurs needed to foul him too. Horry did the right thing, but did it too hard, that's all.

Compare this to the elbows Bell was throwing.

Take off the Spurs GOGGLES and check the scoreboard! Suns WIN! Spurs are back to being the whiners! :drunk

[Louie Vega]

After watching these series and following Utah's game, I'm starting to think the same thing...I've talked to two Spurs fans the other day who think the same thing too, weird, because I discounted the Jazz earlier this season.

I talked to 2 mavs fans who are embarrassed by their team and just want to forget this season ever happened!

[mexispur]

Those Are The Rules The Nba Has Been Going By For Years, Its A Shitty Situation But Hey You Gotta Be Smarter Than That. The Suns Saying That Amare Was Checking In Is A Bunch Of Bullshit. Its Unfortuanate For The Suns But Those Are The Rules And The Spurs Did Not Write Them