Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[AFBlue]

Everyone pray someone fails a physical!

AMEN!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I really wish I had read this thread before I went to go lift weights......

[yavozerb]

Better yet, imagine the summer team without Butler on it....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

To all the people talking roster spots....

WHO THE HELL DO THE SPURS SIGN THAT IS BETTER THAN BUTLER AND SCOLA?!?!?!

The ONLY, and I mean the only way this front office redeems itself is by signing someone like Pietrus or Barnes.

But that would put Holt back over the tax threshold, so no shot in hell of it happening.

[timvp]

My guess is that Scola went Giricek on them, and they had no choice. For those who don't remember, Giricek threatened to sign long term in Europe if the Spurs didn't trade him.

If that were the case, the Spurs should have just called his bluff. If he extends his European contract, the Spurs are out a second round pick.

If the Spurs got desperate because they thought that they might be out a *gasp* 2009 Rockets second round pick, that makes it an even more disgraceful trade.

[SenorSpur]

It's easy to decipher this trade. Splitter and Mahinmi both can be signed under rookie deals that require a guaranteed commitment of $1.5 mil over 2 years for each of them. Scola will cost more as will Butler over that same time period. The Spurs also get a 2nd round pick and cash out of the deal.

Maybe Holt's Cat will get some Fancy Feast now.


.....or by some more Western boots and copiers with the extra cash saved.

[AFBlue]

It's easy to decipher this trade. Splitter and Mahinmi both can be signed under rookie deals that require a guaranteed commitment of $1.5 mil over 2 years for each of them. Scola will cost more as will Butler over that same time period. The Spurs also get a 2nd round pick and cash out of the deal.

Maybe Holt's Cat will get some Fancy Feast now.

Deciphering is easy...

Making sense of the fucking thing is what's NOT!

[spurscenter]

Barbosa Mistake Part 2

[spurscenter]

BARBOSA MISTAKE PART 2. mark it.

[mystargtr34]

Nobody Buy/rent/consider Anything From Cat

[ShoogarBear]

Time for some single malt scotch.

[Marcus Bryant]

The sense is that Holt does have an impact on personnel decisions. Where are those who applaud when the Spurs make dumb basketball moves due to financial concerns?

[RaGnaroK]

Scola and Butler for a second round pick?!?!?!!?!!!!?!!?!?!?!?!!

and the second pick from rockets!

[Marcus Bryant]

Time for some single malt scotch.

Fuck that I've been hitting some Crown already.

[AFBlue]

....and to trade your only low-post assets outside of Duncan to a DIVISION RIVAL...I'm not one to cuss, but this fucking sucks.

[bosgezen]

What kind of a sallery did Scola demand from he Spurs?
And how much are spurs willing to pay?
Would you be suprised if the Rockets pay him somewhere around the MLE

[AFBlue]

Fuck that I've been hitting some Crown already.

Man if it was Friday....

But seeing as how I live in Georgia and my boss has no affinity for the Spurs whatsoever (from Colorado originally), there's no way he'll take "THEY TRADED JACKIE & LUIS!" as an excuse for coming in late and hungover a shit.

[ShoogarBear]

Even if you accept that the Spurs felt the need to trade them, GET SOMETHING BACK. A first-round pick would have at least held out hope of getting future quality. But this management only sees first-round picks as future guaranteed contracts.

[Mr. Body]

Don't worry about using the 2009 pick. Rockets will be a top 5-6 team, so we'll turn that #56 pick right around for a future pick from the Washington Wizards, then in the 2010 draft select Marcus Williams' smaller brother.

[timvp]

The Rockets aspect is just salt on the wound. If this were say the Bobcats, we could say that the Spurs were doing Scola and Butler a favor and how they'll get to play and thrive over in the East.

But instead, it's to the one franchise in the NBA who the Spurs have never gotten revenge on. The one franchise down the road who gave the Spurs two of their most bitter defeats in history.

I still can't even begin to understand this.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Time for some single malt scotch.

I've already polished off a third of a bottle of Patron.

[Marcus Bryant]

Even if you accept that the Spurs felt the need to trade them, GET SOMETHING BACK. A first-round pick would have at least held out hope of getting future quality. But this management only sees first-round picks as future guaranteed contracts.

I'd prefer a 2nd rounder from Chicago.

[ShoogarBear]

But instead, it's to the one franchise in the NBA who the Spurs have never gotten revenge on. The one franchise down the road who gave the Spurs two of their most bitter defeats in history.The one franchise who gave the Spurs their new assistant general manager.

[SpursFanInAustin]

BARBOSA MISTAKE PART 2. mark it.

More like Josh Howard mistake part 2....F-- Barbosa, that freaking choke artist against a good defense like the Spurs, at least Howard makes us pay for not taking him.

BTW, This move sucks.

:bang

[Big P]

Wow..what a downer...I've been at Pappasitos happy hour since 4 & I come home to this??..wow.....

[yavozerb]

The 3 mill will be used in part to buy out splitter's contract this year and get him over here..
Scola has already indcated a high salasry that the spurs did not want so basically this where our 2nd rd pick comes from..
The spanelous part of the deal is simply to let this guy calm down for a year and maybe get him over next year..
These are my thoughts at least.

[clubalien]

"It's not about money. It's not about playing time. It's not about anything else. They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would he would say, 'No, I cannot.' "

thanks for amazing moves like trading people fo i don't know cash for more wine and liquor and soem crakers

spurs the only dynasty to never repeat atleast with pop as coach

[Brodels]

Hard to fathom. I guess one can have faith that something else is in the works, but there aren't really a lot of possibilities right now.

When a great team is always on the edge of dynastic superiority, this is the sort of move that can ensure that the future is more like Malone and Stockton's last years with Utah than Jordan's last years with Chicago.

It's really just baffling, especially since both of these players (or the talent that could have been acquired for them) could have helped during the Duncan era.

[timvp]

The 3 mill will be used in part to buy out splitter's contract this year and get him over here..
Scola has already indcated a high salasry that the spurs did not want so basically this where our 2nd rd pick comes from..
The spanelous part of the deal is simply to let this guy calm down for a year and maybe get him over next year..
These are my thoughts at least.

Splitter isn't coming this year. The Spurs can't pay more than $500K toward a buyout. The $3M they got from the Rockets does nothing in that regard.

If Scola bluffed the Spurs into making a divisional rival worlds better, I need to start playing poker with RC Buford.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Rockets aspect is just salt on the wound. If this were say the Bobcats, we could say that the Spurs were doing Scola and Butler a favor and how they'll get to play and thrive over in the East.

But instead, it's to the one franchise in the NBA who the Spurs have never gotten revenge on. The one franchise down the road who gave the Spurs two of their most bitter defeats in history.

I still can't even begin to understand this.

I hear they're working on a deal with Dallas to send up Parker in exchange for Dampier too.

[spurscenter]

The thing that kills me is that the trade was made with a division rival...no matter who's involved. Trade these guys to the EC, or at least out of fucking Texas.


LIKE BARBOSA TO PHOENIX , stupid

[ShoogarBear]

No, actually I think it's Parker for Keith Van Horn.

[Dennis Lindsey]

Sorry Spurs fans, had to post this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4964549.html

``We're planning to sign Luis,'' Morey said. ``He's excited to play in Houston. We expect to see him in a Rockets uniform next year. Luis is very motivated to come to the league and is very motivated to play with Yao and Tracy.''

``The Spurs gave us permission to speak with him about three days ago and we had a long conversation. It was very positive on both ends.''

[MaNuMaNiAc]

i'm... I... ... I don't know what to say :lol Interesting turn of events I guess... as a Spurs fan I'm a little puzzled as to the reason of such a trade, though I've read most takes in here, and now have some understanding of what might be going on, even though it still doesn't make much sense. Hopefully our front office is cooking something up.

As an Argie I'm half disappointed Scola couldn't showcase his talent in our team, but I'm also glad the man could finally get a chance to play in the NBA. Hopefully this whole thing starts making sense soon.

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao

[spurscenter]

I cant believe POP said yes to this.

[Marcus Bryant]

Does Scola departing shake some of the Argentines off?

[timvp]

Sorry Spurs fans, had to post this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4964549.html

The Spurs just got :owned :owned :owned :owned

[Kori Ellis]

Sorry Spurs fans, had to post this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4964549.html

Classic.

[spurscenter]

The Rockets aspect is just salt on the wound. If this were say the Bobcats, we could say that the Spurs were doing Scola and Butler a favor and how they'll get to play and thrive over in the East.

But instead, it's to the one franchise in the NBA who the Spurs have never gotten revenge on. The one franchise down the road who gave the Spurs two of their most bitter defeats in history.

I still can't even begin to understand this.


i totally agree

[Money316]

I was starting to like Butler he is only 22 years old and plenty of upside....they need to package Beno damn it!And take his home boy White Chocolate with him!!

[AFBlue]

Sorry Spurs fans, had to post this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4964549.html

I know they say "don't shoot the messenger", so I'll just....

:shootme

[Marcus Bryant]

I can't wait until we find out that Scola signs for 2 years and $4 mil.

[timvp]

:lmao :lmao @ Dennis Lindsey screen name.

With favorite team Houston Rockets. Bwaahhahahahahahahahahahah X 1000

[Marcus Bryant]

How is it that Udrih is still on this team?

[AFBlue]

I can't wait until we find out that Scola signs for 2 years and $4 mil.

STOP! It's too much....

[mystargtr34]

Ill reserve my other thoughts about him until i see how much he signs for. Great, good luck to him.

BREAK A LEG.

[timvp]

Oh man that was funny. :rollin

[spursfan09]

Spurs must of felt sorry for the Rockets. Decided to help them out?

[Mr. Body]

How is it that Udrih is still on this team?

I'm getting the feeling Beno told them he plans on working out 'real hard' this summer and have a great training camp and they believed him.

[ShoogarBear]

I can't wait until we find out that Scola signs for 2 years and $4 mil.And can actually guard Dirk.

[Marcus Bryant]

And can actually guard Dirk.

No doubt.

*cue 2 Unlimited*

[RocketFan]

This is like dumping Jessica Alba because she won't swallow and going home with Roseanne Barr.

I hate our front office.


Oh, she'll swallow....for the Rockets!!!! :spin

[timvp]

"We're planning to sign Luis,'' Morey said. ``He's excited to play in Houston. We expect to see him in a Rockets uniform next year. Luis is very motivated to come to the league and play the Spurs four times a year for the next decade.''

"The Spurs gave us permission to not use protection while consummating this acquisition.''

Fixed.

[hsxvvd]

i wish i had something positive to say

My thoughts exactly. This is a fucking terrible deal!

Scola = 1st Round pick

Butler = 1st Round pick

Butler & Scola = 2nd Round pick?

I'm no mathematician but it doesn't seem like it adds up!

Stupid.

[Mr. Body]

The silver lining is whenever the Spurs make their next trade it probably won't be as bad as this one.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, she'll swallow....for the Rockets!!!! :spin:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wait for it... Scola signs for 3 years, a total of 3.2 million. And locks down Dirk :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

But that $3M doesn't go anywhere except into Holt's pockets.


Maybe they'll use it to extend Barry.

Cueing Bruno to tell me they can't extend Barry and this was an awesome deal.

[spurscenter]

CHECK THIS OUT,

He was acqured in 2nd Round , RIGHT? so so then, he was traded for LUIS FLORES (55th overall) RIGHT? So thenhe was traded for LUIS SCOLA and BUTLER.

wow. So where is Luis Flores????? lol


Selected by Dallas in the second round (50 th overall) of the 2004 NBA Draft … Rockets acquired draft rights from the Mavericks in exchange for Houston’s draft rights to Luis Flores (55 th overall) on June 24, 2004 … signed a multi-year contract with the Rockets on July 19, 2006.

[mystargtr34]

And can actually guard Dirk.

You know what - hope he hangs 37 on Duncan and the Spurs in next years play offs and the Rockets repeat.

Just to shove one down RC's throat.

[Mr. Body]

We couldn't get Lior Eliyahu out of this?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You know what - hope he hangs 37 on Duncan and the Spurs in next years play offs and the Rockets repeat.

Just to shove one down RC's throat.I wouldn't go as far as to say that, I hope the man kickss ass up until we kick his, and that will still show RC, but not cramp our style :lol

[ShoogarBear]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, I hope the man kickss ass up until we kick his, and that will still show RC, but not cramp our style :lolIf that happens, RC will just say, "see, draft & stash works!"

[mystargtr34]

We couldn't get Lior Eliyahu out of this?

:lol Sorry i know your serious. Just the thought of anyone disappointed at not being able to acquire a basketball player with that name.

[dg7md]

:lmao remember when people thought we could have made a trade deal like this for Nocioni?

[mystargtr34]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, I hope the man kickss ass up until we kick his, and that will still show RC, but not cramp our style :lol
:lol yeh maybe that could work too

[timvp]

The Spurs couldn't even get the Rockets to take Beno and get back Lucas back? I mean, there's absolutely no silver lining to this trade at all. The Spurs didn't dump a long-term contract. They didn't even freakin' get under the luxury tax threshold. The difference in Butler's contract and Mahinmi's contract is something around $1.5M.

In actuality, at most this put $6M in Holt's pocket. Trading away Beno and a couple picks for cash would have put $5.4M.

So for $600K, the Spurs gave a divisional rival two scoring options on the post.

Holy crap.

[AFBlue]

While this trade is beyond comprehension, I can't say whether it will make or break the Spurs' chances of a repeat. That's the only non-negative (won't say "positive") thing I can say....and that's the only time I'm going to say it.

[Mr. Body]

They magically transformed a late 2002 second round pick for a late 2009 second round pick. If that's not victory, I don't know what is.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs couldn't even get the Rockets to take Beno and get back Lucas back? I mean, there's absolutely no silver lining to this trade at all. The Spurs didn't dump a long-term contract. They didn't even freakin' get under the luxury tax threshold. The difference in Butler's contract and Mahinmi's contract is something around $1.5M.

In actuality, at most this put $6M in Holt's pocket. Trading away Beno and a couple picks for cash would have put $5.4M.

So for $600K, the Spurs gave a divisional rival two scoring options on the post.

Holy crap.

Yeah this was a stupid fucking trade. Problem is, most in SA won't figure out what just happened.

[mystargtr34]

Surely they would have explored that idea. Theres something else in the works. In the mean time tho im quite happy to keep feeding RC to the dogs

[AFBlue]

Rockets gave up nothing and simultanously filled out their front-line rotation.

Scola will play next to Yao and they'll bring Butler off the bench. This trade sickens me....

[Pistons < Spurs]

Are you kidding me? All these years I've been hearing about Scola, and the Spurs just give him away? I haven't read all the pages in this thread, but I'm guessing this was either a move to free a roster spot, or to save money?

Spamalicious and a second round pick.....wow. Someone fucked up in the front office.

Does this mean you all are bringing in Mahinimi and Javtokas?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If that happens, RC will just say, "see, draft & stash works!":lol

[Mr. Body]

While this trade is beyond comprehension, I can't say whether it will make or break the Spurs' chances of a repeat. That's the only non-negative (won't say "positive") thing I can say....and that's the only time I'm going to say it.

Agree. It doesn't affect their repeat chance for next year. But it affects them long-term. They threw away two assets for a Roman-style enrichening of the owner instead of trying to keep building the team for the future.

This is how the Lakers, the last dynasty, started spoiling. Bad moves, bad players. This isn't the end yet, but this is how it happens.

[ShoogarBear]

Can't wait for the first game where Duncan fouls out against Yao, Scola, and Butler.

[mystargtr34]

They magically transformed a late 2002 second round pick for a late 2009 second round pick. If that's not victory, I don't know what is.

And they gave $2.5 million to Jackie Butler to ride the pine all last season and now Holt wants to save money. Fuck me

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs couldn't even get the Rockets to take Beno and get back Lucas back? I mean, there's absolutely no silver lining to this trade at all. The Spurs didn't dump a long-term contract. They didn't even freakin' get under the luxury tax threshold. The difference in Butler's contract and Mahinmi's contract is something around $1.5M.

In actuality, at most this put $6M in Holt's pocket. Trading away Beno and a couple picks for cash would have put $5.4M.

So for $600K, the Spurs gave a divisional rival two scoring options on the post.

Holy crap.


Tomorrow they'll make that trade with Beno.

You know it's coming.

[spurscenter]

Jackie Butler is 3 years away from being Eddy Curry like .

the man needs to just play. He would shine in Atlanta or a team needing a center.

Too much politics in the NBA. egos and shit from offices to the court.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

WHAT THE FUCK HOLT???

YOU JUST THREW AWAY OUR FUTURE CENTER AND FUTURE BACKUP PF!

:pctoss X 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

WHAT THE FUCK HOLT???

YOU JUST THREW AWAY OUR FUTURE CENTER AND FUTURE BACKUP PF

:pctoss X 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

[td4mvp3]

all of this sounds horrible and that the fo knows diddly ... but honestly, how many practices have any of us been to? how many team meetings and all the rest of it? i doubt seriously that this lindsey guy could waltz in and in less than a month convince the spurs to do something this apparently goofy just on his say so. the best thing i'd heard about butler from anyone on this board was he was big and still had lots of potential ... but he didn't seem enormously impressive in this year's summer league, even after having spent stints with larry brown and the knicks and now pop and the spurs. bust? no clue. but some kind of low post savior? doubting it. and scola just looked to be more and more of a pipe dream as things went along. for whatever reason, it wasn't happening, and how big of a deal could it have been withh so many folks calling for his rights to be included in a trade for nocioni? the deal looks lopsided, certainly, but i'm willing to give 'em the benefit of the doubt with four trophies on the mantle.

[AFBlue]

Whatever...I'm going to bed :depressed

Maybe when I wake up in the morning this will all have been a bad dream....or maybe not. :(

[Extra Stout]

R.C. Buford : Sam Presti :: Byron Scott : Eddie Jordan

[Dennis Lindsey]

Look on the bright side, you guys won 4 titles in 6 years. I'll take that over Scola and Butler any day.

More goodies:

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=3757214&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.1.1


In a telephone interview Thursday night from Greece, Spinoulas tells FOX 26 Sports his position hasn’t changed even though he’s been traded to the Spurs.

“I was sleeping. It’s late here in Greece. I don’t even realize what’s happened. I have so many things to think about. This is so strange. It’s different for me. It doesn’t change my mind. I want to stay in Greece,” Spinoulas said.

When pressed about getting the opportunity to play for the world champions, Spinoulas didn’t waver. “Nothing changes my mind. I still want to stay in Greece.”

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

all of this sounds horrible and that the fo knows diddly ... but honestly, how many practices have any of us been to? how many team meetings and all the rest of it? i doubt seriously that this lindsey guy could waltz in and in less than a month convince the spurs to do something this apparently goofy just on his say so. the best thing i'd heard about butler from anyone on this board was he was big and still had lots of potential ... but he didn't seem enormously impressive in this year's summer league, even after having spent stints with larry brown and the knicks and now pop and the spurs. bust? no clue. but some kind of low post savior? doubting it. and scola just looked to be more and more of a pipe dream as things went along. for whatever reason, it wasn't happening, and how big of a deal could it have been withh so many folks calling for his rights to be included in a trade for nocioni? the deal looks lopsided, certainly, but i'm willing to give 'em the benefit of the doubt with four trophies on the mantle.

You're a fucking dumbass. Try reading. This move was done for Holt's bank account (that's the owner, seeings you appear to be a newbie), not for basketball.

[Extra Stout]

Look on the bright side, you guys won 4 titles in 6 years. I'll take that over Scola and Butler any day.
Well, they're trying to make it 4 out of 6, but handing the Rockets 8 extra wins doesn't make the task any easier.

[spurscenter]

Look on the bright side, you guys won 4 titles in 6 years. I'll take that over Scola and Butler any day.

Hey Dennis. 10 East is that way.

[Clutch20]

Well. send back the Pablum and order extra cases of icy hot, flex-all's and deep heat, it's gonna be a long span until spam.......

___________________________

“They do a great job of their system and staying true to form,
making big plays in big moments,” Suns coach Mike D'Antoni
told reporters in Phoenix on Thursday. “That's what we're
trying to get. Mental toughness, being lucky, I don't know
what it is.”

The Spurs, D”Antoni added, just seem to “believe a little bit
more.”
“All the time,” he said.

[spursrock123]

This trade sucks, no doubt about it. But to the ROCKETS of all teams. THE FKING ROCKETS!!!

Here are some of the quotes from clutchcity.net...http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=132120&page=11&pp=20

Mogrod..."This guy may be the perfect 4 in Adelman's half-court offense. He can play the post, high post, is a real good passer and has good hands for a big man. Plus, he gets up and down the floor real well and is an attacker when he gets at or towards the rim. He may not be the greates one-on-one defender, but he is an aggitator very much in the mold of Varejo. He's not going to give an inch to anyone.

Wow, and to trade virtually nothing for him. Just wow."

Solid..."Yeah, I am just all broken up. You know what, this might be a turning point for Rocket's management and the team. This is no 40mill+ contract for a "Cato." If this guy comes to play this year, this is a coup. A starting PG and a reserve Center for VSpan! Now we are talking some serious horse trading.

What if Brooks actually pans out? What if he could start and James could play SG? Then TMac could move to SF. I like the possibilities. Hayes is a perfect back up. What if Bonzi gets in shape? What if........ It's all pretty exciting if it works out."

Tigereye...."One more thing.....Morey is looking samrter by the minute in this deal....check this snippet I found in the chronicle article...


Quote:
``The Spurs gave us permission to speak with him about three days ago and we had a long conversation. It was very positive on both ends.''

Essentially, before Morey made this deal, he made sure he could sign Scola first by speaking with him to gauge his interests between the NBA and Tau Ceramica. Once he got his assurances he could sign Scola, he made the deal and straight swindled San Antoino in the process.

Bookmark it....moneyball knows what he is doing...Scola will be a Rocket next year. Think of this...

26 yearl-old Yao, next to 27 year-old Scola.

We're set in the front court for years to come baby!"

THIS FKING SUCKS.

[ShoogarBear]

Look on the bright side, you guys won 4 titles in 6 years. :lmao :lmao :lmao

[waly.mg]

Por esa accion se merece una Ovación

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The worst trade in the Spurs History

[td4mvp3]

You're a fucking dumbass. Try reading. This move was done for Holt's bank account (that's the owner, seeings you appear to be a newbie), not for basketball.
and how many paychecks do you sign? everyone raves about how the spurs are able to conduct business and not have to go over the cap and the rest of it, well, that crap doesn't happen for the heck of it. wow, you mean a business man wants to make money from any investment? shocker. you act so devastated because holt's not doing enough for the spurs franchise. he bought the thing and pays the salaries. he does more than anyone on this board. and how big an impact it has on the basketball remains unknown. i've heard plenty of people say scola isn't all that and butler has yet to do much in san antonio or new york.

[timvp]

I'm trying to find that article where Dennis Lindsey says he'll always be a Rockets fan.

At least we can say he's a man of his word.

[Mr. Body]

I want to see the pile of blow Holt will buy to celebrate this one.

[ShoogarBear]

Next up: the Spurs trade the rights to Tiago Splitter for the rights to Ralph Sampson.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

and how many paychecks do you sign? everyone raves about how the spurs are able to conduct business and not have to go over the cap and the rest of it, well, that crap doesn't happen for the heck of it. wow, you mean a business man wants to make money from any investment? shocker. you act so devastated because holt's not doing enough for the spurs franchise. he bought the thing and pays the salaries. he does more than anyone on this board. and how big an impact it has on the basketball remains unknown. i've heard plenty of people say scola isn't all that and butler has yet to do much in san antonio or new york.

I manage a little over 10 million in contracts for my company. It's publically traded, and if I fuck up a contract it impacts our stock price, could cost someone under me their job, and probably mine as well. So spare me the fucking business lecture.

Holt is making millions every year off the Spurs, has been ever since they moved into the AT&T Center, and the future of this franchise just got leveraged so Holt could afford to buy Pop a few more bottles of wine for Christmas.

Give me a break.

[spursrock123]

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/p...TY&pageId=6.1.1

looks like spanoulis still intends to stay in greece...what a bunch of shit.

[Mr. Body]

I'm trying to find that article where Dennis Lindsey says he'll always be a Rockets fan.

At least we can say he's a man of his word.

Sam Presti "will always be a Spurs fan." Word is he's now offering Damien Wilkins for Manu Ginobili and the rights to Buford's left ball. Holt plans on accepting.

[hsxvvd]

Next up: the Spurs trade the rights to Tiago Splitter for the rights to Ralph Sampson.


I'll take it! I want Ralph Sampson... he's what 7'4" who cares if he's 50.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I swear if I run into Holt I will kick his ass all around San Antonio.

[waly.mg]

I´m only waiting for the Scola´s Contract

If it´s a contract of 10 millions 3 years is a bad trade

If it´s a contract of 15 million is a good trade because the spurs never are going to pay that money

[spursrock123]

After killing myself by reading clutchcity, one post actually made me laugh:

"Somewhere in China, while sitting down for tea and dim sum, Shane Battier just shed a tear."

Kind of reminds me of the Chuck Norris sayings.

[Sam]

Scola wouldn't sign with the Spurs period. He doesn't like their style of play, he didn't like what he heard about the city and he just didn't want to come over. They had to trade him.

Butler was gone. Pop doesn't like him.

[objective]

It's funny, this might be the first trade in Spurs history that EVERYONE hates.

No fans on each side of it, EVERYONE hates it.

Butler lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

Scola lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

There are no winners among Spurs fandom, NONE.

[2pac]

Wait for it... Scola signs for 3 years, a total of 3.2 million. And locks down Dirk :lol

And gets T PARK to drop a few dozen pounds.

[td4mvp3]

I manage a little over 10 million in contracts for my company. It's publically traded, and if I fuck up a contract it impacts our stock price, could cost someone under me their job, and probably mine as well. So spare me the fucking business lecture.

Holt is making millions every year off the Spurs, has been ever since they moved into the AT&T Center, and the future of this franchise just got leveraged so Holt could afford to buy Pop a few more bottles of wine for Christmas.

Give me a break.
and yet you still manage nothing for the spurs and pay none of their bills. even at it's worse, this is a trade of an overseas guy who didn't look like he was ever going to play for the spurs and a bench guy with loads of potential but not enough to warrant serious playing time despite some years in the league. at it's worse, it's the owner of the team making or saving some money, the year after his team wins the fourth title. holt is making millions off the spurs for a reason, part of which means sacrificing some things that they obviously thought they could.

[mystargtr34]

I´m only waiting for the Scola´s Contract

If it´s a contract of 10 millions 3 years is a bad trade

If it´s a contract of 15 million is a good trade because the spurs never are going to pay that money

Still beside the point. If Holt wasnt such a cheap as, Paxson would have given up Nocioni in a heart beat for Scola and Jackie and fillers. Heck, i would have liked our chances of getting more from then -- they are desperate for low post scoring, both of these two are PERFECT, absolutely perfect.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's funny, this might be the first trade in Spurs history that EVERYONE hates.

No fans on each side of it, EVERYONE hates it.

Butler lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

Scola lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

There are no winners among Spurs fandom, NONE.

Eh, there's a handful of Pop/RC/Holtsuckers who are giving them props. I think they're all 12 and younger.

[Mr. Body]

Toronto would happily have given a future 2nd for Scola, no doubt.

[mystargtr34]

More than that knowing Colangelo's hornyness for Euro's

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Could someone give me Holt's address so I can go whoop his ass already?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

and yet you still manage nothing for the spurs and pay none of their bills. even at it's worse, this is a trade of an overseas guy who didn't look like he was ever going to play for the spurs and a bench guy with loads of potential but not enough to warrant serious playing time despite some years in the league. at it's worse, it's the owner of the team making or saving some money, the year after his team wins the fourth title. holt is making millions off the spurs for a reason, part of which means sacrificing some things that they obviously thought they could.

Why the fuck would it matter whether I manage anything for the Spurs? Business is business. This was done not to make the product (the Spurs) better but to put a couple million more in Holt's pocket.

It's bullshit.

It doesn't matter if Butler wouldn't have gotten any playing time this year? Have you looked at our roster next year? Here, let me help you out:

Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner

We don't even have five starters under contract for next year, much less a bench, much less any big men that can do shit after Duncan. Can't wait to watch this team piss away another year of the Duncan era trying to teach seven new guys how to play in their system. :rolleyes

[td4mvp3]

Toronto would happily have given a future 2nd for Scola, no doubt.
but you know, i'm starting to wonder about all of that. the spurs obviously thought they had a talented guy overseas, and if they were like any of us, they saw impediment after impediment keeping him from arriving and so, if some rumors are to be believed, likely shopped him around a bit. yet this is what they got? i think we're giving ourselves too much credit for understanding this business and talent levels.

[2pac]

The problem is that Butler's trade value was higher than a second round pick. Scola's trade value should have been a lot higher than a second round pick. Yet the Spurs packaged them together for a second round pick. And the Spurs are still stuck with Beno, who is the worst contract on the team.

I see nothing good about this trade. The Spurs basically salary dumped a guy on a one year contract for less than half the MLE.

Worst trade in franchise history.
Remember when we traded for Charles Smith, but the Knicks didn't include his knees? What about dropping Elliott for Rodman?

[waly.mg]

We raen´t Spurs GMs, we are fans, we aren´t worry about the money

We want a great team, if the Spurs pays Luxury Tax isn´t my problem

I´m a Scola´s Fan too, and if this trade is good for Luis career i´m happy for that

But is a very very very very bad trade

In Total Points in Japan Scola was the Only player in the Top Ten of the max scorers who is not in the NBA and the most of the Top Ten in Total points are All stars

[spursrock123]

Remember when we traded for Charles Smith, but the Knicks didn't include his knees? What about dropping Elliott for Rodman?

What about Vernon Maxwell for cash.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe we're giving too much credit to an organization who passed on Josh Howard for nothing. The man to thank for Parker being a Spur is now in Seattle (and if Holt had his way Parker's Spurs career would already be over). Ginobili was a shot in the dark, no doubt made due to the insight of an intern which Buford subsequently Bogarted the credit from.

[Mr. Body]

I just saw the "Scola to Houston...?" headline on hoopshype.com and that wave of nausea washed over me again.

[objective]

Remember when we traded for Charles Smith, but the Knicks didn't include his knees? What about dropping Elliott for Rodman?

Smith was a dumb trade and anyone who had a clue knew it at the time, but at least all they gave up was JR Reid and the eventual rights to John Wallace.

Sure, it cost them caproom for a couple of years, but they probably would have just ended up signing another Carl Herrera disaster.

And at least Rodman was a starter.

This trade is FAR WORSE.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe we're giving too much credit to an organization who passed on Josh Howard for nothing.

This is the final turd in the punch bowl that will change board and fan opinion of this front office.

[Marcus Bryant]

Hmmm...I don't know if this is Ted Stepien stupid.

Yet.

[SenorSpur]

Personally, I wanted Scola out of here in the worst way. However, I thought that even the Spurs would get back more for his rights than they did.

I guess we'll never really know how Butler would have panned out. He seemed a bit lazy, but from all accounts was working hard and had some positive attributes. Again, I gave the Spurs too much credit. Never in my wildest dreams did I think the Spurs would have let him go for a song and a bag of magic beans.

Un"freakin"believable!

[Marcus Bryant]

Personally, I wanted Scola out of here in the worst way. However, I thought that even the Spurs would get back more for his rights than they did.

I guess we'll never really know how Butler would have panned out. He seemed a bit lazy, but from all accounts was working hard and had some positive attributes. Again, I gave the Spurs too much credit. Never in my wildest dreams did I think the Spurs would have let him go for a song and a bag of magic beans.

Un"freakin"believable!

Butler just turned in a solid summerleague outing. In shape, committed, and ready to play.

[timvp]

It's funny, this might be the first trade in Spurs history that EVERYONE hates.

No fans on each side of it, EVERYONE hates it.

Butler lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

Scola lovers hate it because they got nothing for him and sent him to Houston.

There are no winners among Spurs fandom, NONE.

They will still be those who go against the grain to just go against the grain. If the Spurs traded Beno for Dwight Howard, some people would be against it just to try to be different.

Before the news that Scola will be joining the Rockets THIS YEAR, I could see living with this trade. But now that Scola is coming over, this trade officially makes no sense.

[timvp]

Butler just turned in a solid summerleague outing. In shape, committed, and ready to play.

Yeah, the reward for leading the Spurs' summer league in points, rebounds, assists and blocks is to be traded to another team. Nice precedence.

[Marcus Bryant]

They will still be those who go against the grain to just go against the grain. If the Spurs traded Beno for Dwight Howard, some people would be against it just to try to be different.

Before the news that Scola will be joining the Rockets THIS YEAR, I could see living with this trade. But now that Scola is coming over, this trade officially makes no sense.


Wait until we see the price. I have a feeling it'll be in line with Oberto and Bonner's contracts, if that.

[Darkwaters]

Ludden's article said that we got a trade exception out of this. It better have been a BIG ass one.

This is bullshit.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, the reward for leading the Spurs' summer league in points, rebounds, assists and blocks is to be traded to another team. Nice precedence.

Meanwhile Beno Udrih remains a San Antonio Spur.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ludden's article said that we got a trade exception out of this. It better have been a BIG ass one.

This is bullshit.

A mil at most.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, the reward for leading the Spurs' summer league in points, rebounds, assists and blocks is to be traded to another team. Nice precedence.

With Butler finally out of the way, Marucs Williams will single handedly definte summer league basketball once he goes SLC Punk.

[objective]

LMAO if Scola gets a 3 year for 9-10 just like has been reported all along!

I'm sure Bonner lovers will get a kick out of that!

[Typhoon]

So, is Scola finally getting his chance to play in the NBA this year?

If so...even if it is a horrible trade makes me happy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Make that $400K. Fuck yeah.

[SenorSpur]

Butler just turned in a solid summerleague outing. In shape, committed, and ready to play.

Oh I forgot, he didn't add a 3-pt shot to his arsenal so he was of no value to Pop

[Darkwaters]

A mil at most.

Fucking A. WHy would we do this?

I propose that we trade Manu for Adonal Foyle and a sack of potatoes. Holt loves potatoes.

[td4mvp3]

Why the fuck would it matter whether I manage anything for the Spurs? Business is business. This was done not to make the product (the Spurs) better but to put a couple million more in Holt's pocket.

It's bullshit.

It doesn't matter if Butler wouldn't have gotten any playing time this year? Have you looked at our roster next year? Here, let me help you out:

Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner

We don't even have five starters under contract for next year, much less a bench, much less any big men that can do shit after Duncan. Can't wait to watch this team piss away another year of the Duncan era trying to teach seven new guys how to play in their system. :rolleyes

the matter is not that you manage anything for the spurs but the idea of business is business. my point is that the product may not suffer all that much based on scola's continued absence with no end in sight and butler showing only limited progress (less than 15 ppg in summer league, multiple fouls, with some nba experience with two of the better coaches in the league?). what's more, the business of business is to make money, regardless of the product (thus the clippers continue to exist). do you seriously think the spurs are going to miss the playoffs because of this trade? or get bumped out of the first round? and if neither of those things occur, then this team will be on par with just about every spurs team that earned those millions since duncan arrived, having either won it all or gotten bumped in the second round. what's more, sheesh, there's a whole new season just a year from now, corrections can be made and adjustments had. to be blunt, the fans aren't going to abandon the team because of this trade, so the millions remain, the business remains, and holt makes more money. why would he not do it? this outcry just seems over the top for an unproven scola and bench-rider for not only a championship team but the league's worst team in new york, regardless of what brown whispered to pop about potential.

all i'm saying is that i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, the idea being they've proven they've got enough moxy to make a team run and that duncan is that great along with manu and tony.

and as for our roster, give me a break. butler wasn't making that huge of a difference and we actually have 12 folks on the roster, not five.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/butler.jpg http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/scola.jpg

:cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry

[timvp]

LMAO if Scola gets a 3 year for 9-10 just like has been reported all along!

I'm sure Bonner lovers will get a kick out of that!
This is the price the Spurs pay for getting desperate to dump a salary.

[Marcus Bryant]

Fucking A. WHy would we do this?

I propose that we trade Manu for Adonal Foyle and a sack of potatoes. Holt loves potatoes.

We should have been so fortunate. The difference between their salaries for 2007-08 was likely $400K. So there you go...

[ploto]

Timvp- I truly am sorry. I know the hopes you had for Butler when he joined the Spurs and I, of all people, completely understand the personal disappointment when it ends this way.

I took alot of crap from people the past week or so about Butler, but I knew it was coming soon. When Ludden wrote what he did today, I knew it was imminent. Those things are said for a reason and as a set-up to prepare the fans for what they are about to do.

I admit that I gave Butler a hard time- mostly because in my mind, he was Rasho's replacement. Elson was really Nazr's replacement. But I did see his recent progress- I just knew it was too late. When Holt decides he wants you gone, it does not matter what you do after that. Learned that the hard way, too.

So, as a consolation, you can go ahead and change my motto to "I love Jackie Butler" for the next month. :drunk

[objective]

If the Spurs are so desperate to clear salary, watch for them to cut White before 8-1 so they can cheap out of his 100k and not even have him at camp.

Ludden already did his job laying the foundation for layperson uneducated Express-News readers to be all for it.

lol

[Mr. Body]

This is the price the Spurs pay for getting desperate to dump a salary.

Resigning Bonner cost the Spurs Jackie Butler and Luis Scola.

[Sam]

Butler just turned in a solid summerleague outing. In shape, committed, and ready to play.
Pop does not like him and does not think he is that smart. He was never going to play for the Spurs as long as Pop was coaching.

[bdictjames]

Dammit.

At least Butler might get PT over there in Houston. Tim Duncan, Yao Ming and perhaps Hakeem as his tutors? Damn.

We should have gotten Hayes or even Battier.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs are so desperate to clear salary, watch for them to cut White before 8-1 so they can cheap out of his 100k and not even have him at camp.

Ludden already did his job laying the foundation for layperson uneducated Express-News readers to be all for it.

lol

It's coming. Butler had some skills but unfortunately wasn't All-NBA 1st Defensive Team caliber.

[Darkwaters]

If Spanoulis was going to play for the team I would be more intrigued. But with Spanoulis staying abroad (and us having to buy him out even)...thats bullshit.

Why the fuck would we buy him out either? If he refuses to come then we should simply null his contract for infringement. I'm not going to pay that fucker a dime to just change his mind and go pout in Europe.

[objective]

Timvp- I truly am sorry. I know the hopes you had for Butler when he joined the Spurs and I, of all people, completely understand the personal disappointment when it ends this way.

I took alot of crap from people the past week or so about Butler, but I knew it was coming soon. When Ludden wrote what he did today, I knew it was imminent. Those things are said for a reason and as a set-up to prepare the fans for what they are about to do.

I admit that I gave Butler a hard time- mostly because in my mind, he was Rasho's replacement. Elson was really Nazr's replacement. But I did see his recent progress- I just knew it was too late. When Holt decides he wants you gone, it does not matter what you do after that. Learned that the hard way, too.

So, as a consolation, you can go ahead and change my motto to "I love Jackie Butler" for the next month. :drunk

I wasn't the biggest Butler fan either. I'm a Scola-backer by far. I didn't think Butler had as much potential defensively or blockwise, and didn't like how he still managed to be overweight.

BUT I would have never traded supported trading him to a WC team for nothing. Especially not to Houston.

And I sure as HELL wouldn't throw in Scola to sweeten the deal of gold for turd.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pop does not like him and does not think he is that smart. He was never going to play for the Spurs as long as Pop was coaching.

Why is Beno Udrih still a Spur?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Ludden's article said that we got a trade exception out of this. It better have been a BIG ass one.

This is bullshit.

Dude, that was my spoof. :lmao

p0wned. :rollin

[Mr. Body]

If Spanoulis was going to play for the team I would be more intrigued. But with Spanoulis staying abroad (and us having to buy him out even)...thats bullshit.

Spanoulis is so bad a team is better playing 4 on 5 than having him in there playing for them.

[Marcus Bryant]

Dammit.

At least Butler might get PT over there in Houston. Tim Duncan, Yao Ming and perhaps Hakeem as his tutors? Damn.

We should have gotten Hayes or even Battier.

Yeah, how do the Spurs not pull Hayes out of this deal?

[td4mvp3]

Why is Beno Udrih still a Spur?
i still wonder about that.

[Sam]

Why is Beno Udrih still a Spur?
Because RC doesn't want to be wrong about him.

[Marcus Bryant]

Because RC doesn't want to be wrong about him.

Kinda like Williams, no doubt.

[Darkwaters]

Dude, that was my spoof. :lmao

p0wned. :rollin

Dude, I'm still not sure this whole Butler/Scola trade thing isn't a spoof myself.

[Extra Stout]

Question.

What are the results of the Spurs' efforts in player acquisitions via drafts and trades since 2001?

If I'm thinking correctly, their last decent move was a year's rental of Hedo Turkoglu for a retiring Danny Ferry. That was four years ago.

Oh yeah, that was Presti's idea too.

Why do I get the feeling that pretty soon the Oklahoma City SuperSonics are going to be making deep playoff runs every year?

[ploto]

Yeah, the reward for leading the Spurs' summer league in points, rebounds, assists and blocks is to be traded to another team. Nice precedence.
I told you that in the other thread earlier today. I truly wish I were wrong.

[timvp]

Timvp- I truly am sorry. I know the hopes you had for Butler when he joined the Spurs and I, of all people, completely understand the personal disappointment when it ends this way.

I took alot of crap from people the past week or so about Butler, but I knew it was coming soon. When Ludden wrote what he did today, I knew it was imminent. Those things are said for a reason and as a set-up to prepare the fans for what they are about to do.

I admit that I gave Butler a hard time- mostly because in my mind, he was Rasho's replacement. Elson was really Nazr's replacement. But I did see his recent progress- I just knew it was too late. When Holt decides he wants you gone, it does not matter what you do after that. Learned that the hard way, too.

So, as a consolation, you can go ahead and change my motto to "I love Jackie Butler" for the next month. :drunk:lol

I knew it was coming too after today's article. I could live with Butler being traded in a trade that made sense.

Thanks for the gesture of the title change. I will admit that I'd rather have Rasho back at his current salary rather than see this abomination of a trade take place.

But yeah, I guess all Spurs fans know what you felt 13 months. :(

[objective]

Question.

What are the results of the Spurs' efforts in player acquisitions via drafts and trades since 2001?

If I'm thinking correctly, their last decent move was a year's rental of Hedo Turkoglu for a retiring Danny Ferry.



Uhhhh . . . outbidding zero other teams to get Bonner at 3 million a year?

[spursrock123]

Posted on ESPN...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2934887

[goliath]

Don Harris was acting as Holt's mouthpiece on the news tonight.
Said getting the second round pick was, in his words, "huge" and that getting Spanoulis was good because he will never come over and that opens up a roster spot next year for Splitter (forgetting that as things stand now we only have 10 open roster spots next year)

[Marcus Bryant]

Don Harris was acting as Holt's mouthpiece on the news tonight.
Said getting the second round pick was, in his words, "huge" and that getting Spanoulis was good because he will never come over and that opens up a roster spot next year for Splitter (forgetting that as things stand now we only have 10 open roster spots next year)

Because Horry won't be leaving then and Elson couldn't easily follow him.

[Mr. Body]

Don Harris was acting as Holt's mouthpiece on the news tonight.
Said getting the second round pick was, in his words, "huge" and that getting Spanoulis was good because he will never come over and that opens up a roster spot next year for Splitter (forgetting that as things stand now we only have 10 open roster spots next year)

Did he seriously say the pick was huge?

[timvp]

I told you that in the other thread earlier today. I truly wish I were wrong.I posted that I knew he was gone in that thread.

[Sam]

Uhhhh . . . outbidding zero other teams to get Bonner at 3 million a year?
Bonner had other teams that contacted his agent. However they did not talk to any of them because Matt wanted to come back to SA.

[objective]

Bonner had other teams that contacted his agent. However they did not talk to any of them because Matt wanted to come back to SA.

thank god for that!

[DieMrBond]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4964549.html

Rockets land Scola, deal Spanoulis to Spurs


By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle
LAS VEGAS -- The Rockets took their search for a power forward around the planet and found just what they wanted available down the road.

The Rockets completed a deal to land forward Luis Scola, one of the stars of Argentina's 2004 gold medal winning Olympic team and twice the MVP of the Spanish league, sending guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Spurs for Scola and reserve center Jackie Butler.

Scola, a 6-foot-9, 230-pound forward that was the 56th player taken in the 2002 Draft, had become one of the most coveted unsigned players in the world, but became increasingly difficult to sign as he became the star of Tau Ceramica (Vitoria, Spain), one of the top traditional powers in Europe.

The Spurs permitted the Rockets to talk with Scola, 27, in recent days and although contract negotiations were not permitted, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey was confident that Scola was ready to make the move to the NBA.

``We're planning to sign Luis,'' Morey said. ``He's excited to play in Houston. We expect to see him in a Rockets uniform next year. Luis is very motivated to come to the league and is very motivated to play with Yao and Tracy.''

``The Spurs gave us permission to speak with him about three days ago and we had a long conversation. It was very positive on both ends.''

Teams are not permitted to make offers until the deal is complete, but the Rockets will likely have to offer between $3 million and $3.5 million for the first year. Morey would not discuss the parameters of the deal he has in mind.

While the deal should bring the Rockets their power forward, it also could mean Spanoulis' freedom.

Spanoulis and his agent, Miodrag Raznatovic, could not be reached on Thursday, but last week Raznatovic said Spanoulis would never play for the Rockets or any team in the United States. He even added ``They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would he would say, `No, I cannot.' ''

Spanoulis played in 31 games last season, averaging 2.7 points and .9 assists in 8.8 minutes per game. He made 31.9 percent of his shot, 17.2 percent of his 3-pointers.

Butler, a 6-10, 260 center, played in just 11 games with the Spurs, after he was acquired from the Knicks. Butler, 22, has averaged five points 53.9 percent shooting in 69 career games.

Morey said the deal does not in any change the Rockets' intentions to sign both Chuck Hayes and Dikembe Mutombo, though with the little room likely left in the mid-level exception, the Rockets could try to sign Mutombo for the veteran's minimum.

Butler has one guaranteed season, worth $2.35 million, remaining on his contract.

``Jackie is someone we wanted in the deal,'' Morey said. ``Obviously, we had a need at center. He'll have a shot to prove it.''

But the prize in the deal was Scola.

``He has a pretty complete game in terms of an offensive skill-set, defensive integrity. He was MVP of the Spanish League, the best league outside the US, two of the last three years. He's been Euroleague first team which I would say makes him a top five player over the there.

``If I had to describe him, he's just a winner.''

[ploto]

I posted that I knew he was gone in that thread.

Butler is fat and lazy, but then when he plays well, he's in need of more playing time. It has already been determined that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He is in the summer league working on his game and trying to show the Spurs what he can do, but they just see it as a means to increase the chance of trading him.

Not to make excuses- repeat, NOT an acceptable excuse, but I think with Beno that is part of what happened, that notion that it didn't really matter what you do after a certain point. If you play well, it is ONLY to boost your trade value not your possible standing with the team. If Beno plays in the summer league- it ups his chance of getting traded- that is all. It will not make him the back-up PG on the Spurs.

[Darkwaters]

Did he seriously say the pick was huge?

If the best we can do this year with our second rounder is Marcus "Fucking" Williams then I don't think any future 2nd rounders can be considered "Huge".

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

the matter is not that you manage anything for the spurs but the idea of business is business. my point is that the product may not suffer all that much based on scola's continued absence with no end in sight and butler showing only limited progress (less than 15 ppg in summer league, multiple fouls, with some nba experience with two of the better coaches in the league?).


Your point sucks. Further, we weren't talking about Butler being a 20 and 10 guy for the 2007-2008 Spurs. Try reading sometime.

This was about the Spurs trading two of their more valuable commodities for an ass raping from Houston.



what's more, the business of business is to make money, regardless of the product (thus the clippers continue to exist). do you seriously think the spurs are going to miss the playoffs because of this trade? or get bumped out of the first round?


The Spurs are already making money. This saves Holt 4 million next year, when the franchise has already increased in value 150 million. Total bullshit.

Where did anyone say we would miss the playoffs next year? Or get beat in the first round?

Seeings you are too stupid to comprehend, let me spell it out:

1. The Spurs gave a division rival with a glaring weakness a solution to said weakness.... for nothing

2. The Spurs gave up a talented young big man who had been busting his ass and doing everything the Spurs asked him including dropping 30 pounds in 8 months... for nothing.

3. The Spurs put 4 million more in Holt's pocket for next year, and as far as improving the team next year or the future, it did absolutely nothing.


why would he not do it? this outcry just seems over the top for an unproven scola and bench-rider for not only a championship team but the league's worst team in new york, regardless of what brown whispered to pop about potential.

Butler was 21 in NY playing for a coach in Larry Brown who notoriously favored veterans over young players. Try again :lol



all i'm saying is that i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, the idea being they've proven they've got enough moxy to make a team run and that duncan is that great along with manu and tony.


You can give them whatever you want. The last time the Spurs put this many ancient role players around TD, they got spanked by the Lakers. Don't be surprised if it happens again in 2008, only at the hands of the Mavs.



and as for our roster, give me a break. butler wasn't making that huge of a difference and we actually have 12 folks on the roster, not five.

Again, try reading. I was talking about AFTER 2008. For someone who is trying to come off as knowledgeable about the business world as you are, one would think you could read a sentence and make sense of it.

[spursrock123]

Who thinks Scola will be a 15/5 guy for Adelman?

[Marcus Bryant]

Teams are not permitted to make offers until the deal is complete, but the Rockets will likely have to offer between $3 million and $3.5 million for the first year. Morey would not discuss the parameters of the deal he has in mind.

There you go, $3 mil starting for 3 years for a total of $10 mil. :shootme


Morey said the deal does not in any change the Rockets' intentions to sign both Chuck Hayes and Dikembe Mutombo, though with the little room likely left in the mid-level exception, the Rockets could try to sign Mutombo for the veteran's minimum.

Maybe the Spurs salvage a little out of this deal by nabbing Hayes.

[Mr. Body]

Who thinks Scola will be a 15/5 guy for Adelman?

It's almost a perfect situation for him.

[timvp]

ploto - go read the my first post in that thread. I said he was gone and wished him luck.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe the Spurs salvage a little out of this deal by nabbing Hayes.

Right. The Spurs would have to spend money on him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

``Jackie is someone we wanted in the deal,'' Morey said. ``Obviously, we had a need at center. He'll have a shot to prove it.''

But the prize in the deal was Scola.

``He has a pretty complete game in terms of an offensive skill-set, defensive integrity. He was MVP of the Spanish League, the best league outside the US, two of the last three years. He's been Euroleague first team which I would say makes him a top five player over the there.

``If I had to describe him, he's just a winner.''

:vomit:

Houston got two guys they wanted, Spurs got money for Holt to built a 4 million dollar dog house for his weiner dog.

[timvp]

Who thinks Scola will be a 15/5 guy for Adelman?
Easy.

[objective]

Who thinks Scola will be a 15/5 guy for Adelman?

with Adelman? I give him a wide berth.

12-16, 5-8, 1 bpg

But mostly big time plays from a big time player who makes things happen.

Spurs just got destroyed by the Rockets. And threw in Jackie Butler along the way.

If the Rockets need anything else, I'm sure they'll just pick up the phone with a shiny 2011 2nd rounder to get whatever they want.

[Brutalis]

This is obviously the first half of something else the Spurs are going to do...

[Marcus Bryant]

It's almost a perfect situation for him.

Unless I am forgetting something, Hayes is an Early-Bird free agent, so the Spurs would have to offer him more than 2 years/$10 mil for Houston not to be able to match.

[ShoogarBear]

holt is making millions off the spurs for a reasonYeah, the county built him an arena.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is obviously the first half of something else the Spurs are going to do...

Yeah, Pop and R.C. pick up nice bonus checks from Holt for saving him 5 mil.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, the county built him an arena.

Holt sycophants never get it.

[Spurminator]

I'll be honest, I saw chachi start this thread and I immediately went to MySA.com and saw nothing about this trade. I damn near posted some smartass reply that he was full of shit. Surely this was a joke.

:depressed

[ploto]

Weird double post!

[ploto]

ploto - go read the my first post in that thread. I said he was gone and wished him luck.
I was referring to your take in this thread that it sets a bad precedent with regards to getting players to play in the summer league. I was AGREEING with you.

If you would rather turn it into a pissing contest, I told people he was gone last week and got called racist.

[Mr. Body]

I can't believe the Spurs just threw away just about the only two trade assets they had for nothing.

I still can't believe it.

[Extra Stout]

This is obviously the first half of something else the Spurs are going to do...
The other half is signing Mahinmi and assigning him to Austin.

[Darkwaters]

This is obviously the first half of something else the Spurs are going to do...

God I hope so...but I don't really see how they have postured themselves at all for a future move since they dumped a very small amount of salary, only one roster spot, and two huge trade assets.

[ShoogarBear]

James White!

[ShoogarBear]

Okay, that made me feel a little better.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

After letting Butler and Scola go for nothing, Mahinmi better be the best thing since Tim. Stupidest fucking trade ever.

[E20]

This trade sucks solely because of the fact we traded Scola for nothing.

I would have let Jackie Butler walk away for nothing.

[loveforthegame]

Does this mean we can add CJ Watson now?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I was referring to your take in this thread that it sets a bad precedent with regards to getting players to play in the summer league. I was AGREEING with you.

If you would rather turn it into a pissing contest, I told people he was gone last week and got called racist.

Well, you do have a fondness for the lighter skinned balla.

[spursrock123]

There you go, $3 mil starting for 3 years for a total of $10 mil. :shootme



Maybe the Spurs salvage a little out of this deal by nabbing Hayes.

I doubt this. If I'm not mistaken, the rockets have bird rights on Dikembe.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Does this mean we can add CJ Watson now?
:vomit: :madrun

[Mr. Body]

Does this mean we can add CJ Watson now?

How fucking great would that be?

[ShoogarBear]

Does this mean we can add CJ Watson now?*hack* *gasp*

[Marcus Bryant]

I doubt this. If I'm not mistaken, the rockets have bird rights on Dikembe.

Doesn't matter. They have Early-Bird rights with Hayes.

[objective]

After letting Butler and Scola go for nothing, Mahinmi better be the best thing since Tim. Stupidest fucking trade ever.

Mahinmi could have been brought into Butler's spot regardless of Scola.

Even if Mahnmi turns into Amare Stoudemire 2.0, that's no excuse to sell Scola to the damn Rockets for cricket legs. No excuse.

[loveforthegame]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071307.01D.BKNspurs.trade.35d9aa1.html

Spurs find spot for Scola, Butler — Houston

Web Posted: 07/12/2007 10:51 PM CDT

Johnny Ludden
Express-News

Ending a five-year relationship with Luis Scola, during which his agent once famously declared the Argentine forward was being held prisoner in the "country of liberty," the Spurs finally found a home for him, about 200 miles from their own.

The Spurs traded Scola's draft rights and center Jackie Butler to the Houston Rockets on Thursday evening for guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash.

A 2002 second-round draft pick of the Spurs, Scola has been playing for Spanish team Tau Ceramica, where he is generally regarded as one of the best players in Europe. The Spurs had hoped to sign him two years ago, but his buyout was too large, so they instead opted to bring over his friend and countryman, center Fabricio Oberto.

The Spurs had since fielded offers for Scola, but didn't find anything to their liking until this week. A year ago, Scola's agent accused the Spurs of preventing his client from reaching the NBA, saying "in the country of liberty, he is being held prisoner."

"As an organization, we felt responsible to allow Luis to pursue his dream of the NBA," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said, "and this was the best opportunity to realize his value."

While the trade potentially landed Houston a starting power forward, it did little for the Spurs other than reduce their payroll and open up a roster spot. The trade removed the $2.4 million Butler was due to make this season, and the Spurs also might not have to pay Spanoulis the $1.9 million he is slated to earn.

After playing sparingly last season, Spanoulis had already told the Rockets he wanted to return to Greece. The trade isn't expected to make him change his mind: Two weeks ago, his agent, Miodrag Raznatovic, said, "They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would say, 'No, I cannot.'"

If the Spurs have to pay all or part of Spanoulis' salary, it will be offset by the cash the Rockets included in the deal.

The Spurs didn't think they would have room for Scola even after next season because they plan on signing one of his teammates on Tau Ceramica, forward Tiago Splitter, their first-round draft pick in June. They also are re-signing Oberto.

Butler signed with the Spurs a year ago, but rarely played after reporting out of shape. Though he has shown improvement and is just 22 years old, team officials questioned whether he would ever be successful playing in their defensive system, which requires their big men to make reads and communicate with teammates.

"With our roster intact, it would appear unlikely that neither (Butler nor Scola) would impact our rotation," Buford said.

The Spurs had hoped to trade Scola outside their division and were close to sending him to Cleveland, but a three-team deal that would have sent Butler to Sacramento fell apart. A potential trade to send Butler to New Jersey also didn't materialize, so the Spurs decided to package Scola with him.

The Spurs re-signed two of their own free agents Thursday, solidifying deals with forward Matt Bonner (three years, $9 million) and Jacque Vaughn (two years, $2.5 million). They had hoped to also sign Detroit forward Amir Johnson to an offer sheet, but he agreed to take less money (three years, $11 million) to stay with the Pistons.

Buford wouldn't comment on whether trading Butler increased the odds the Spurs will sign Ian Mahinmi, their 2005 first-round pick, except to say, the trade "gives us roster options."

With Johnson off the market, the Spurs could turn their attention to Portland free-agent swingman Ime Udoka. Udoka, who turns 30 in August, averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Trail Blazers.

Udoka is a rugged defender and a dependable 3-point shooter, skills he shares in common with Bruce Bowen, the player he would most likely back up.

[ploto]

Well, you do have a fondness for the lighter skinned balla.
Never heard anyone call Rasho a balla. :D

What I wrote about Butler was based upon what I had heard and had been hearing for some time. The decision to shed him was definite when the cap figures came in. Just because people did not want to hear it, did not justify some of the awful things people wrote TO me. I will chalk it up to their inability to believe that the Spurs would do something that stupid.

My only consolation- I am not alone in my opinion of the organization- at least for a little while tonight.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

With Johnson off the market, the Spurs could turn their attention to Portland free-agent swingman Ime Udoka. Udoka, who turns 30 in August, averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Trail Blazers.

Udoka is a rugged defender and a dependable 3-point shooter, skills he shares in common with Bruce Bowen, the player he would most likely back up.
This better fucking happen. If we let Udoka walk too, this is the worst offseason ever.

[ploto]

A potential trade to send Butler to New Jersey also didn't materialize, so the Spurs decided to package Scola with him.

To shed Butler- they gave up Luis Scola. Justify that.

[Darkwaters]

We better fucking land Udoka or I'm seriously going to kill Holt myself.

[Brodels]

Fuck. I should have just gone to bed without checking the news.

As much as it sucks to say so, I can't imagine the Spurs have anything up their sleeves to offset this terrible move.

Obviously HoltCat would favor such a move. I wonder if anyone if the FO argued against it?

[Mr. Body]

"As an organization, we felt responsible to allow Luis to pursue his dream of the NBA," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said, "and this was the best opportunity to realize his value."

Fuck you, Buford, you idiotic twat.


While the trade potentially landed Houston a starting power forward, it did little for the Spurs other than reduce their payroll and open up a roster spot. The trade removed the $2.4 million Butler was due to make this season, and the Spurs also might not have to pay Spanoulis the $1.9 million he is slated to earn.

Like how this makes it sound like they're saving $2.4 million + $1.9 million. Must be the new Spurs math. No, you freaking idiots, you stand to save... perhaps... $2.4 million. But only if Spanoulis decides not to take the money legally owed to him.

And the Spurs only get cash from Houston to offset Spanoulis's money. No money to Spanoulis = no money from Houston. Freaking brilliant.


The Spurs had hoped to trade Scola outside their division and were close to sending him to Cleveland, but a three-team deal that would have sent Butler to Sacramento fell apart. A potential trade to send Butler to New Jersey also didn't materialize, so the Spurs decided to package Scola with him.

Yes! Just throw in Scola like he was an apple pie! That's nice! I'm sure Houston might find a spot for him somewhere!



:oops
:bang

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We better fucking land Udoka or I'm seriously going to kill Holt myself.
Fuck that. I got first dibs on mutilating his ass.

[Solid D]

Does this mean we can add CJ Watson now?

:lol

Yes, and it also means the Spurs will now have a couple of new faces wearing sport jackets during the games in 2007-08.

[objective]

To shed Butler- they gave up Luis Scola. Justify that.

lol

Here you go sir, a $50 bill. Oops, looks like I have a $50 and a $100 bill! Why don't I pay you $100 to take $50 off my hands, kind sir. All I would like in return is a penny.

[Hemotivo]

Who thinks Scola will be a 15/5 guy for Adelman?
14 / 4

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The Spurs had hoped to trade Scola outside their division and were close to sending him to Cleveland, but a three-team deal that would have sent Butler to Sacramento fell apart. A potential trade to send Butler to New Jersey also didn't materialize, so the Spurs decided to package Scola with him.
Oh my fucking god... They should've done this trade. There's nothing we could've gotten in return worse than this trade.

[objective]

I bet if Beno was any good he would have been in the deal too. Not for a better player, just more cash.

[Mr. Body]

I have a fucking headache and didn't get any studying done tonight. I hate the fucking Spurs. For a night I know what it's like to be a Celtics fan.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

I'll never make fun of Isiah Thomas again....

[chachi]

Even the Celtics have made better off season moves than the Spurs so far. :oops

[bigfan]

I have to admit this "trade" mystifies me. Basically we gave these guys away for nada. I dont think either Williams or White are locks either. I hope there is much more to come in the near future.

[mystargtr34]

I have a fucking headache and didn't get any studying done tonight. I hate the fucking Spurs. For a night I know what it's like to be a Celtics fan.
:D Too right. I have a whole new respect for Celtics and Knicks fans, such an empty feeling.


I'll never make fun of Isiah Thomas again....
cosign

[Ocotillo]

Someone stop R.C. before he trades Splitter and Sanikidze to Dallas for an assistant coach to be named later and cash.

[spurscenter]

IF THIS WAS

BUTLER FOR SPINOLI and 2nd ROUND PICK and CASH

I would be like

GREAT JOB SPURS


but throw in SCOLA ????

man get a BJ at least for that fancy dinner.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Where's Ken Loomis when he's most needed...

[Cherry]

This is a nigthmare right? All what i want is Beno out and the Spurs gifted the Rockets Luis Scola...

i need a beer :(

[mystargtr34]

I could have lived with the NJ or Cle/Sac deal, even if it was for peanuts. But the Rockets, WOW.

[picnroll]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071307.01D.BKNspurs.trade.35d9aa1.html

Spurs find spot for Scola, Butler — Houston

Web Posted: 07/12/2007 10:51 PM CDT

Johnny Ludden
Express-News

They had hoped to also sign Detroit forward Amir Johnson to an offer sheet, but he agreed to take less money (three years, $11 million) to stay with the Pistons.

Either Ludden's lying or it wasn't all about money.

[picnroll]

Timvp- I truly am sorry. blah, blah, blah ...
So, as a consolation, you can go ahead and change my motto to "I love Jackie Butler" for the next month. :drunk

How about we change it to "I'm a passive/aggressvie bitch" instead. Never so happy as when Spurs fans are unhappy.

[fatside]

I think we should all call Spanoulis and ask him to come here. To me, it sounds like he is unsure whether he wants to play in the United States. Things are different now. We could take him to some good Greek restaurants here and show him how we respect his country by pointing out the Grease Monkey oil change place. What is his phone number; I need to talk to him 10 times this month. We could really use him, 2.7 points and .9 assists, nice average; maybe we could have a better season with him.

[spurscenter]

If the Spurs are so desperate to clear salary, watch for them to cut White before 8-1 so they can cheap out of his 100k and not even have him at camp.

Ludden already did his job laying the foundation for layperson uneducated Express-News readers to be all for it.

lol


James White will be cut to save $, then he will blossom like Stephen Jackson. lol

[Mr. Body]

I think we should all call Spanoulis and ask him to come here.

It'd be far better for us if he didn't come here.

[Mr. Body]

Who names their son Miodrag?

[mystargtr34]

Ok officially nothing more about Spanoulis - Spurs have said it gives them roster flexibility and thats it. Span sux.

[Fast Dunk]

I love to see you like that STUPID FUCKS!!!!

I told you

Your sorry ass team front office is CHEAP...

Bryan Colangelo is still better than RC Buford and company..

hahahahahahaha

Cry bitches cry!!!

[ducks]

atleast the spurs have a point guard for the mvp
unlike the cavs their star has no point guard

[Switchman]

I love to see you like that STUPID FUCKS!!!!

I told you

Your sorry ass team front office is CHEAP...

Bryan Colangelo is still better than RC Buford and company..

Jajajajaj

Cry bitches cry!!!

Yet WE have the rings hahaha.

[Budkin]

HOLY FUCK.... we dumped Scola AND fucking Butler for nothing????? WTF!!!

[Mr. Body]

HOLY FUCK.... we dumped Scola AND fucking Butler for nothing????? WTF!!!

:lol

[baseline bum]

WTF? God, I wish this was just some sick joke being played on me here. I understand giving Butler away for nothing, even if I think it's a fucking retarded move... but Scola? Scola for dog-shit? I'm so fucking pissed this offseason, and I can't say I didn't see it coming the second they drafted fucking Splitter. Cheap-ass motherfuckers. I can't wait for us to trade Splitter in 2012 to the Lakers for Jerry Buss's rug and a parking pass at Staples.

[wildbill2u]

The only way this trade even remotely makes sense is if Scola is re-upping tomorrow with Tau for 5 years with no buyout possibility until the end of the contract.
Doesn't the buy-out contract for Scola and his new contract with an NBA team have to be completed by Sunday, July 15. What are the chances that will happen unless the Rockets just throw money at him that Tau can't match.

Remember that Tau is a player in this game too and they want to keep Scola, their star, real bad. If they sign him, they will probably lock him up for good.

[timvp]

Five hours later and I still don't understand WTF just happened. The Spurs traded two of their better assets to a divisional rival for nothing. It doesn't even make financial sense. It doesn't open up a roster spot.

All it does is make the Rockets much better.

[Solid D]

At least I got a good workout in.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Awesome fucking trade! Who needs a young big with good potential when you have some unknown loser who averaged 2 points last year?

Awesome!


FUCKING YES!

In other news the Spurs agreed in principle to trade Tim Duncan for DJ Mbenga and a copy of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows!

[timvp]

At least I got a good workout in.
:lmao

[baseline bum]

Five hours later and I still don't understand WTF just happened. The Spurs traded two of their better assets to a divisional rival for nothing. It doesn't even make financial sets. It doesn't open up a roster spot.

All it does is make the Rockets much better.

I'm going to puke my fucking guts out knowing Ian Mahinmi is our answer at the 4. The guy has been worthless in Europe since they signed him, and he looked like crap at the summer league last year.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't the buy-out contract for Scola and his new contract with an NBA team have to be completed by Sunday, July 15. What are the chances that will happen unless the Rockets just throw money at him that Tau can't match.

Remember that Tau is a player in this game too and they want to keep Scola, their star, real bad. If they sign him, they will probably lock him up for good.

100% chance it happens. Tau has already given their buyout figure, which San Antonio, Scola, and Houston know, and Houston is prepared to pay for it. Scola will be a Rocket next season.

What's wonderful about this is Splitter will be all alone on the front line at Tau next season and will badly hurt himself in overexertion.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm going to puke my fucking guts out knowing Ian Mahinmi is our answer at the 4. The guy has been worthless in Europe since they signed him, and he looked like crap at the summer league last year.

But he'll be a cheap scrub [/Holt]

[Mr. Body]

Five hours later and I still don't understand WTF just happened. The Spurs traded two of their only assets to a divisional rival for nothing. It doesn't even make financial sense. It doesn't open up a roster spot.

All it does is make the Rockets much better.

Fixed.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Ian, Splitter, we missed josh howard, marcus williams, now this.

I wonder what's next.

[mystargtr34]

You guys are making me depressed