Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[mystargtr34]

Scola + Butler > Splitter + Mahinmi

[Budkin]

We should just throw in James White too!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

Doesn't the buy-out contract for Scola and his new contract with an NBA team have to be completed by Sunday, July 15. What are the chances that will happen unless the Rockets just throw money at him that Tau can't match.

Remember that Tau is a player in this game too and they want to keep Scola, their star, real bad. If they sign him, they will probably lock him up for good.

Seems like that $ will be a contract starting at $3 to 3.5 mil, per the Houston Chronicle. It will be very interesting if Scola signs for something like 3 years, $10 mil.

[timvp]

Next on the plate is to waive James White and then extend Beno Udrih.

:pctoss

[objective]

Cheer up about Mahinmi fellas!

After all, he averaged the same blocks per 40 minutes as . . . LUIS SCOLA!

yep, tall, athletic, springy, jump out the gym long armed Mahinmi blocked the same shots as little old undersized weak Scola.

[mystargtr34]

I rekon Paxson is kicking himself more than we are.

[Marcus Bryant]

Five hours later and I still don't understand WTF just happened. The Spurs traded two of their better assets to a divisional rival for nothing. It doesn't even make financial sense. It doesn't open up a roster spot.

All it does is make the Rockets much better.

Well, it's a salary dump of Butler's contract plus they got enough cash to pay Spannsisillouois' salary for next season, at least. If they can get him to go away for less than that they make out on that part of the deal. Factor in that they were likely over the lux tax and that they are essentially saving double Butler's salary they do make out fine on the financial side of things. Now if only the liquor will take care of how much this sucked on the basketball side.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Next on the plate is to waive James White and then extend Beno Udrih.

:pctoss

I just threw up in my mouth, because there's truth in there.

R.C. and Co. refuse to admit that they were wrong on Busto Udrih.

[mystargtr34]

Well, it's a salary dump of Butler's contract plus they got enough cash to pay Spannsisillouois' salary for next season, at least. Factor in that they were likely over the lux tax and they do make out fine on the financial side of things. Now if only the liquor will take care of how much this sucked on the basketball side.

Surely we could have traded Beno to get us under the Lux tax.

Butlers third year was a team option am i not correct? If we wanted to clear him we could have simply let him go and we would be in the exact same position but with Beno off our books and still having the luxury on being able to make a decision on jackie.

Am i missing something here?

[Marcus Bryant]

Next on the plate is to waive James White and then extend Beno Udrih.

:pctoss

Yeah, White seems like a goner. Shame. Udrih won't be extended but I could see the bastard playing well enough to force the Spurs to re-sign him next summer.

[baseline bum]

Fuck RC Buford.

[timvp]

Scola is going to freakin' blow up in the Rockets system. Think about it. Adelman's bigmen always overachieve. He'll be playing next to Yao or Mutombo so his lack of size won't matter. Outside of TMac and Yao, no one needs the ball on that team. Scola will have as many shots as he can handle.

Next year when he's averaging something like 15 and 6, league pundits are going to be wondering where Scola came from. What dumb ass team would give him away for nothing?

Certainly not the Spurs brain trust.

[Marcus Bryant]

Surely we could have traded Beno to get us under the Lux tax.

Butlers third year was a team option am i not correct? If we wanted to clear him we could have simply let him go and we would be in the exact same position but with Beno off our books and still having the luxury on being able to make a decision on jackie.

Am i missing something here?

Maybe they dump Udrih too.

[mystargtr34]

Clear him at the end of next season i mean

[Budkin]

Trade White, Start Beno and Bonner!!!!!! :clap

[Budkin]

Scola is going to freakin' blow up in the Rockets system. Think about it. Adelman's bigmen always overachieve. He'll be playing next to Yao or Mutombo so his lack of size won't matter. Outside of TMac and Yao, no one needs the ball on that team. Scola will have as many shots as he can handle.

Next year when he's averaging something like 15 and 6, league pundits are going to be wondering where Scola came from. What dumb ass team would give him away for nothing?

Certainly not the Spurs brain trust.

What the hell are you talking about? The Spurs FO are geniuses. Fucking geniuses I tell you!!!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

Scola is going to freakin' blow up in the Rockets system. Think about it. Adelman's bigmen always overachieve. He'll be playing next to Yao or Mutombo so his lack of size won't matter. Outside of TMac and Yao, no one needs the ball on that team. Scola will have as many shots as he can handle.

Next year when he's averaging something like 15 and 6, league pundits are going to be wondering where Scola came from. What dumb ass team would give him away for nothing?

Certainly not the Spurs brain trust.


Yeah, so much for RC the genius.

It'll also be interesting if the Rockets get past that buyout clause with ease and sign Scola for Bonner money.

[picnroll]

Dayam Scola has gone from a guy with questionable ability to play in the NBA to ROY all in the span of a trade.

[mystargtr34]

Maybe they dump Udrih too.
Now that would top it off.

[wildbill2u]

Rockets gave up nothing and simultanously filled out their front-line rotation.

Scola will play next to Yao and they'll bring Butler off the bench. This trade sickens me....
If Butler couldn't get past Elson on our team, what makes you think he'll automatically be Yao's backup. They have Mutumbo (FA) and some Greek guy that he'll have to beat out.

[Marcus Bryant]

Perhaps the one thing that will motivate Beno will be the prospect of the NBA checks stopping. Who knows, maybe the Spurs are counting on that?

[timvp]

Someone help me with this. In the Ludden article, it says that the Spurs had deals for Scola "fall apart". If the Spurs only wanted a second round pick, how the hell could a supposed deal fall apart?

Wouldn't the conversation go:

RC: "Hey Danny, do you want Scola for a 2009 second round pick?"

Danny: "Uh, yeah. Where do I sign?"



Where could such a deal fall apart?

[Bruno]

Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

[Mr. Body]

I rekon Paxson is kicking himself more than we are.

He's probably speechless. I wonder how many league GMs are speechless once they hear the news. Other than McHale, Ainge, and Isiah, who are marveling at the Spurs' wonderful trade.

[timvp]

Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

We need some more negative emotion out of you.

Try one of these ----------> :madrun

Thanks.

[baseline bum]

I can't believe this. 5 years of anticipation. 5 years of thinking the Spurs made a great second round steal. 5 years of thinking the team pulled a fast one on the rest of the league. Watching this guy light up the world in the 2004 Olympics, and knowing the Spurs had his rights. Watching him destroy Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand in the World Championships. Continually hearing we had the best player in Euroleague. 5 years of not being able to contain my excitement at seeing this guy in the black and silver.... all that gone in a second, to save Peter Holt $1.5 million in a season where he had the deepest of deep playoff runs to line his pocket. I'm disgusted. I cannot believe the Spurs gave up a guy who will most likely be a solid rotation player, maybe even a good starter, for nothing. A freaking big man on top of that.... and then another big man on top of that.

[Marcus Bryant]

Someone help me with this. In the Ludden article, it says that the Spurs had deals for Scola "fall apart". If the Spurs only wanted a second round pick, how the hell could a supposed deal fall apart?

Wouldn't the conversation go:

RC: "Hey Danny, do you want Scola for a 2009 second round pick?"

Danny: "Uh, yeah. Where do I sign?"



Where could such a deal fall apart?

Yeah, that's odd. They were keen on moving Butler and tied those two goals together. The deal saves the Spurs double Butler's salary (~$5 mil) and if they get Spanislousss to go away for nothing then they pocket the cash the Rockets included, which was probably $1.9 mil. Assume that Mahinmi now is signed for $700K for 2007-08.

So the deals fell apart when the Spurs found someone who would help them shave off $6.2 mil in payroll in addition to sending back that 2nd round pick.

[Mr. Body]

Scola is going to freakin' blow up in the Rockets system. Think about it. Adelman's bigmen always overachieve. He'll be playing next to Yao or Mutombo so his lack of size won't matter. Outside of TMac and Yao, no one needs the ball on that team. Scola will have as many shots as he can handle.

Next year when he's averaging something like 15 and 6, league pundits are going to be wondering where Scola came from. What dumb ass team would give him away for nothing?

Certainly not the Spurs brain trust.

First Team All-Rookie.

The Rockets' problem will be rebounding, but they'll do okay.

[timvp]

I can't believe this. 5 years of anticipation. 5 years of thinking the Spurs made a great second round steal. 5 years of thinking the team pulled a fast one on the rest of the league. Watching this guy light up the world in the 2004 Olympics, and knowing the Spurs had his rights. Watching him destroy Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand in the World Championships. Continually hearing we had the best player in Euroleague. 5 years of not being able to contain my excitement at seeing this guy in the black and silver.... all that gone in a second, to save Peter Holt $1.5 million in a season where he had the deepest of deep playoff runs to line his pocket. I'm disgusted. I cannot believe the Spurs gave up a guy who will most likely be a solid rotation player, maybe even a good starter, for nothing. A freaking big man on top of that.... and then another big man on top of that.

And to top it off, they gave it all up to the Rockets.

The freakin' Rockets.

[mystargtr34]

:greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy

[Bruno]

We need some more negative emotion out of you.

Try one of these ----------> :madrun

Thanks.


:clap

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade. ;)

[Marcus Bryant]

Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

One thinks the Spurs found no other willing partners for a Butler lux tax savings dump.

[Marcus Bryant]

:clap

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade. ;)

Ginobili was the 57th pick in '99. Maybe the Spurs can get some cash for him too.

[Mr. Body]

Matt Bonner better be worth the loss of both Butler and Scola.

[timvp]

:clap

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade. ;)

I miss the Bruno who would didn't want Butler traded for a second round pick and the least he wanted for Scola was a first round pick. That Bruno would be upset that the Spurs got a second round pick for both assets.

[baseline bum]

And to top it off, they gave it all up to the Rockets.

The freakin' Rockets.

Seriously... what's the matter? Was the Lakers' phone line busy or something?

[whottt]

It wasn't a great trade but it's not the end of the world either.


Butler had some offensive game but he would have struggled to fit with us defensively. I agree with the Spurs on this....dude camped out under the Spurs basket 40% of the time...on offense.


And I am glad the Scola saga is over with...yeah the idea of adding him to Oberto and Manu is an intriguing idea...but Scola has been a contrary pain the ass since the night we drafted him...adios.

I think it was clearly a case of dumping him for something so they didn't lose him for nothing.



I haven't seen the Spurs give up on too many guys that ended up making hte AS team...and all the guys they gave up on that Isiah had given up on have ended up sucking ass.




My take: ok it wasn't what we wanted...but it's also not like they just flushed an NBA title down the toilet by giving up on two All Stars. I think the negativity is a little overboard on the forum tonight...

It's not like they just traded Tim Duncan for Chris Webber or something.

[Bruno]

I miss the Bruno who would didn't want Butler traded for a second round pick and the least he wanted for Scola was a first round pick. That Bruno would be upset that the Spurs got a second round pick for both assets.

You didn't get the irony.

[timvp]

If the Spurs would have done the same trade with the Bobcats, I could view the trade a charity move for both Butler and Scola. But you don't give away potentially solid bigmen to a hated divisional rival.

[Solid D]

Peter Holt announced today that Holt Cat of San Antonio has ordered two of the new Caterpillar Ironwolf 840HD Recycler/Processors. These new demonstation units require close to a $1 Million investment but should prove key to selling several of the 840HDs over the next several months. An undisclosed Houston-based entity is rumored to have provided the $1M seed money to order the demonstator units. Holt was quoted as saying, "It is what it is."

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:smokin

[timvp]

You didn't get the irony.

Yeah, I did. I just wanted one of these ------> :madrun

[whottt]

I don't see any way Jackie Bulter fits on the Rockets with Adelman as his coach...

In fact...I think he might have a heart attack having to get back on offense.

The Spurs had him for a year...regardless of whether or not they got value...I really don't think they were clueless about how he would fit on this team...I think had a lot of time to make that decision.

And whether or not the Rockets can sign Scola remains to be seen...in any case...I still like our PF better.

[timvp]

I hated Scola :elephant

[ploto]

First Team All-Rookie.

If Garbajosa can make first team all rookie- then Scola is a lock- right?

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs would have done the same trade with the Bobcats, I could view the trade a charity move for both Butler and Scola. But you don't give away potentially solid bigmen to a hated divisional rival.

$6 mil was too much to turn away. Plus they can pay Mahinmi $700K for 3 years instead of $3 mil per to Scola.

And of course that $ will go to make this team better.

:greedy

[Bruno]

:madrun
:pctoss
:wtf
:cry
:depressed
:(
:bang

[timvp]

:lol @ Solid D

[Solid D]

Peter Holt announced today that Holt Cat of San Antonio has ordered two of the new Caterpillar Ironwolf 840HD Recycler/Processors. These new demonstation units require close to a $1 Million investment but should prove key to selling several of the 840HDs over the next several months. An undisclosed Houston-based entity is rumored to have provided the $1M seed money to order the demonstator units. Holt was quoted as saying, "It is what it is."

http://usediron.point2.com/Photo/Equipment/468544-1-M.jpg


IRONWOLF 840HD RECYCLER/PROCESSOR $585,000 USD

8'X40" DRUM

RIDE CONTROL

TIER 3 CATERPILLAR C15-525 HP ENGINE

MOUNTED ON KAWASAKI 115ZIV-2 (1999 MODEL)

EROPS/AIR

REX ROTH PUMPS

QSK19-410HP, 7560 HOURS ON REBUILD

35/65X33 TIRES

O & K F100 PLANETARY DRUM DRIVES

5900 HOURS ON REBUILT TRANSMISSION & TORQUE

OPERATING WEIGHT 126,000 LBS.

:smokin

Note to coachmac. This article is fake.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't see any way Jackie Bulter fits on the Rockets with Adelman as his coach...

In fact...I think he might have a heart attack having to get back on offense.

The Spurs had him for a year...regardless of whether or not they got value...I really don't think they were clueless about how he would fit on this team...I think had a lot of time to make that decision.

And whether or not the Rockets can sign Scola remains to be seen...in any case...I still like our PF better.


Stop channelling Sacto.

[timvp]

:madrun
:pctoss
:wtf
:cry
:depressed
:(
:bang

:tu

[timvp]

Note to coachmac. This article is fake.

Link?

[Solid D]

Link?

:lol

[whottt]

I hated Scola :elephant


True :tu


I hope he's as much of a pain in the ass for the Rockets as he was for us.

[ploto]

Yeah, so much for RC the genius.

It'll also be interesting if the Rockets get past that buyout clause with ease and sign Scola for Bonner money.
That is what I want to see- how the Spurs have claimed for three years that they could not get a proper buy out figure but the Rockets appear to have done it in three days.

[whottt]

BTW...not to interrupt the massive intellectual exchange within this thread...

But does anyone know when the Championship DVD comes out?


Thanks.

[Marcus Bryant]

That is what I want to see- how the Spurs have claimed for three years that they could not get a proper buy out figure but the Rockets appear to have done it in three days.

But the front office would never misrepresent the truth...

[objective]

That is what I want to see- how the Spurs have claimed for three years that they could not get a proper buy out figure but the Rockets appear to have done it in three days.

exactly.

here's how the phone conversation went:

Houston GM: "So what will it take to get you over here?"

LS: "What I've been asking for all these years! 3 years, 9-10 million."

GM: *spittake* *cough cough* "That's it? What the hell? You sure?"

LS: "Si."

GM: "Get your long greasy hair on a flight to Houston right now, we've got a press conference to arrange!"

[timvp]

BTW...not to interrupt the massive intellectual exchange within this thread...

But does anyone know when the Championship DVD comes out?


Thanks.
Talk about overreacting. I know the Spurs got ripped off but it's a little early to be calling the Rockets the 2008 NBA champions.

:smokin

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I did. I just wanted one of these ------> :madrun

timvp gets $2 every time someone uses one of those.

[mystargtr34]

oh that little insert of Spanish made me laugh :)

[zekes]

LS: "Si."



That was the best part. :lmao

[mystargtr34]

Talk about overreacting. I know the Spurs got ripped off but it's a little early to be calling the Rockets the 2008 NBA champions.

:smokin
Hey remember i was first to pronounce :spin

[Fast Dunk]

CRY BITCHES!!!


Rockets land Scola, deal Spanoulis to Spurs


By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle


LAS VEGAS -- The Rockets took their search for a power forward around the planet and found just what they wanted available down the road.

The Rockets completed a deal to land forward Luis Scola, one of the stars of Argentina's 2004 gold medal winning Olympic team and twice the MVP of the Spanish league, sending guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Spurs for Scola and reserve center Jackie Butler.

Scola, a 6-foot-9, 230-pound forward that was the 56th player taken in the 2002 Draft, had become one of the most coveted unsigned players in the world, but became increasingly difficult to sign as he became the star of Tau Ceramica (Vitoria, Spain), one of the top traditional powers in Europe.

The Spurs permitted the Rockets to talk with Scola, 27, in recent days and although contract negotiations were not permitted, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey was confident that Scola was ready to make the move to the NBA.

``We're planning to sign Luis,'' Morey said. ``He's excited to play in Houston. We expect to see him in a Rockets uniform next year. Luis is very motivated to come to the league and is very motivated to play with Yao and Tracy.''

``The Spurs gave us permission to speak with him about three days ago and we had a long conversation. It was very positive on both ends.''

Teams are not permitted to make offers until the deal is complete, but the Rockets will likely have to offer between $3 million and $3.5 million for the first year. Morey would not discuss the parameters of the deal he has in mind.

While the deal should bring the Rockets their power forward, it also could mean Spanoulis' freedom.

Spanoulis and his agent, Miodrag Raznatovic, could not be reached on Thursday, but last week Raznatovic said Spanoulis would never play for the Rockets or any team in the United States. He even added ``They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would he would say, `No, I cannot.' ''

Spanoulis played in 31 games last season, averaging 2.7 points and .9 assists in 8.8 minutes per game. He made 31.9 percent of his shot, 17.2 percent of his 3-pointers.

Butler, a 6-10, 260 center, played in just 11 games with the Spurs, after he was acquired from the Knicks. Butler, 22, has averaged five points 53.9 percent shooting in 69 career games.

Morey said the deal does not in any change the Rockets' intentions to sign both Chuck Hayes and Dikembe Mutombo, though with the little room likely left in the mid-level exception, the Rockets could try to sign Mutombo for the veteran's minimum.

Butler has one guaranteed season, worth $2.35 million, remaining on his contract.

``Jackie is someone we wanted in the deal,'' Morey said. ``Obviously, we had a need at center. He'll have a shot to prove it.''

But the prize in the deal was Scola.

``He has a pretty complete game in terms of an offensive skill-set, defensive integrity. He was MVP of the Spanish League, the best league outside the US, two of the last three years. He's been Euroleague first team which I would say makes him a top five player over the there.

``If I had to describe him, he's just a winner.''

[email protected]

[Marcus Bryant]

So we'll see how much of the $6 mil they saved on this deal they actually put back into the roster.

[Mr. Body]

So we'll see how much of the $6 mil they saved on this deal they actually put back into the roster.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

[Bruno]

Mission impossible 4 : trying to make this trade looking good :

1) What was Scola's trade value ?
Spurs have asked for more than one year for a first round pick and no team were ready to give up that for him.
Reports were saying that teams have only offered a second round pick for him.
Spurs didn't want to sign him (we will see if they were right about that later), other teams know that and weren't ready to give a lot for him.
Scola for a second round pick is a fair trade.

2) Butler ?
Spurs wanted to get rid of him. His trade value wasn't high at all after a year on the bench. Dumping his contract was maybe the best thing Spurs could do with him.
Butler for nothing is a fair trade.

[Marcus Bryant]

Teams are not permitted to make offers until the deal is complete, but the Rockets will likely have to offer between $3 million and $3.5 million for the first year. Morey would not discuss the parameters of the deal he has in mind.

There you go. 3 years starting at $3 mil works out to $9.9 mil total.

Anyways, the Rockets already knew how much they'd have to offer before doing this deal. How long have the Spurs been lying about the buyout?

[Solid D]

BTW...not to interrupt the massive intellectual exchange within this thread...

But does anyone know when the Championship DVD comes out?


Thanks.

:lol as he sighs a sigh of relief that Brent Barry wasn't moved today.

[Marcus Bryant]

Mission impossible 4 : trying to make this trade looking good :

1) What was Scola's trade value ?
Spurs have asked for more than one year for a first round pick and no team were ready to give up that for him.
Reports were saying that teams have only offered a second round pick for him.
Spurs didn't want to sign him (we will see if they were right about that later), other teams know that and weren't ready to give a lot for him.
Scola for a second round pick is a fair trade.

Then sit on him instead of sending him to a rival.



2) Butler ?
Spurs wanted to get rid of him. His trade value wasn't high at all after a year on the bench. Dumping his contract was maybe the best thing Spurs could do with him.
Butler for nothing is a fair trade.

How about keeping him and giving him a shot next summer when you know spots will open up in the bigs rotation?

But they wouldn't and there are six million reasons why.

[Mr. Body]

Rockets fans must be fucking pumped right now. Can you imagine? A week ago they were boggled that they drafted Aaron Brooks with their first round pick, they had traded away Juwon Howard for Mike James, their only other PF option in Chuck Hayes was unsigned, and they had guys like Carl Landry, Lior Eliyahu, and Anton Kavilauskas scrumming in summer league - decently, but not expertly - looking to help. They had no starter, no real depth.

Then the fucking Spurs gift wrapped them a player with game changing talent, who is cheap, and a solid backup center.

Nuts. They won the lottery.

[whottt]

``If I had to describe him, he's just a winner.''




LOL

[timvp]

Mission impossible 4 : trying to make this trade looking good :


You lost me at "good"

[objective]

There you go. 3 years starting at $3 mil works out to $9.9 mil total.

Anyways, the Rockets already knew how much they'd have to offer before doing this deal. How long have the Spurs been lying about the buyout?

the Spurs through their mouthpiece Ludden haven't really been pushing the buyout issue for nearly 2 years, the last major push with it was when they signed Oberto over Scola. With the trade now that might change as they ramp it up a bit.

The only people blathering on all this time about a huge buyout (or no buyout at all!) have been national writers (draft express) and spurs front office apologists/Scola-haters on message boards.

[Tippecanoe]

:lmao at spurs fans jumping bridge

[Marcus Bryant]

the Spurs through their mouthpiece Ludden haven't really been pushing the buyout issue for nearly 2 years, the last major push with it was when they signed Oberto over Scola. With the trade now that might change as they ramp it up a bit.

The only people blathering on all this time about a huge buyout (or no buyout at all!) have been national writers (draft express) and spurs front office apologists/Scola-haters on message boards.

I thought there was a recent Ludden article that touched on how the buyout was still problematic.

[Mr. Body]

Is that like jumping rope?

[Bruno]

Then sit on him instead of sending him to a rival.


Spurs weren't ready to sign him to a $9M/3 years contract while he was one of the best player in europe. Strange...
Spurs FO should think that Scola will be a nba bust. In this case, trading him to a rival isn't a that big deal.
We will see if their evaluation for Scola was right.
Scola : Next Jasikevicius or next Nocioni ?



How about keeping him and giving him a shot next summer when you know spots will open up in the bigs rotation?

But they wouldn't and there are six million reasons why.

Keeping Butler two years would have cost almost $10M (with the luxury tax) and one roster spot this year. Was it worth the try ?

[objective]

I thought there was a recent Ludden article that touched on how the buyout was still problematic.

maybe so, I don't recall it.

All I remember recently was some mumbojumbo when asked about Splitter's buyout, that it was more clarified compared to Scola.

[whottt]

:lmao at spurs fans jumping bridge


No shit...they weren't this outraged when the Spurs let Jack walk...


These clowns would be suicidal if Butler and Scola had actually been worth a crap in their Spurs careers up to this point...

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs weren't ready to sign him to a $9M/3 years contract while he was one of the best player in europe. Strange...
Spurs FO should think that Scola will be a nba bust. In this case, trading him to a rival isn't a that big deal.
We will see if their evaluation fo Scola was right.
Scola : Next jasikevicius or newt Nocioni ?

Spurs FO hopes he's a bust or at least is not good enough to justify the $6 mil cash grab.



Keeping Butler two years would have cost almost $10M (with the luxury tax) and oen roster spot this year. Was it worth the try ?

We'll see once he gets the minutes, which I don't believe Adelman will have a problem giving him.

[Roxsfan]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/butler.jpg http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/scola.jpg

:cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry :depressed :cry
:elephant :elephant

[mystargtr34]

Spurs weren't ready to sign him to a $9M/3 years contract while he was one of the best player in europe. Strange...
Spurs FO should think that Scola will be a nba bust. In this case, trading him to a rival isn't a that big deal.
We will see if their evaluation for Scola was right.
Scola : Next Jasikevicius or next Nocioni ?



Keeping Butler two years would have cost almost $10M (with the luxury tax) and one roster spot this year. Was it worth the try ?

The Lux Tax doesnt kick in until Feb. Surely they could have figured if he was/wasnt going to work out by then. If not, fine, deal him.

[Marcus Bryant]

No shit...they weren't this outraged when the Spurs let Jack walk...


These clowns would be suicidal if Butler and Scola had actually been worth a crap in their Spurs careers up to this point...


Jack leaving was pretty cool too. RC knows what he is doing.

[drmvp]

Just saw this trade...

As a Rice University alum who had the orgasmic pleasure of watching up close and in person that part-beast, part-ballerina otherwordly virtuoso known as Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon, let me for one moment take off my Spur's sombrero and slip back into my Rocket's hat. From deep in the heart of my fond memories of beer and barbeque at Drexler's World Famous BBQ & Grill on 2300 Pierce, let me give a big shout out to those goddamned motherfucking idiots known as R.C. Buford and Peter Holt:

Bwwwwaaahhhahhhaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaahhaaaahaaaahhhhh haaaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa aahhhhahahahahhhhhhahhahahahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaahahahha!

You've just been PWNED by CIA Morrey and his Lindsay plant.


As a Spur's fan though: :(

[ca®lo]

please scola make your buyout to tau $10000000000000!!!

[objective]

Spurs weren't ready to sign him to a $9M/3 years contract while he was one of the best player in europe. Strange...
Spurs FO should think that Scola will be a nba bust. In this case, trading him to a rival isn't a that big deal.
We will see if their evaluation fo Scola was right.
Scola : Next jasikevicius or newt Nocioni ?



Keeping Butler two years would have cost almost $10M (with the luxury tax) and oen roster spot this year. Was it worth the try ?

1. The Spurs also thought so little of Hermann that he ended up signing with a horrible expansion team where he knew he'd be a bench player behind Wallace and Morrison, and he signed for about 0.66 Bonners

2. re: keeping Butler for 2 years, I could be wrong, but I believe that the second year wouldn't be against the luxury tax as multiple contracts are coming off that year like Horry, Finley and Barry. So while they might not have that much cap room in summer 08, they wouldn't be close enough to the tax to cost the Spurs anything extra.

[Marcus Bryant]

1. The Spurs also thought so little of Hermann that he ended up signing with a horrible expansion team where he knew he'd be a bench player behind Wallace and Morrison, and he signed for about 0.66 Bonners

Yeah, it was odd that they never really seemed to make a play for Hermann.




2. re: keeping Butler for 2 years, I could be wrong, but I believe that the second year wouldn't be against the luxury tax as multiple contracts are coming off that year like Horry, Finley and Barry. So while they might not have that much cap room in summer 08, they wouldn't be close enough to the tax to cost the Spurs anything extra.

Yep.

[timvp]

I'm going to laugh at whottt the day he melts down when Barry leaves. Replace Butler with Barry in this trade, most of the forum would be happy because that would be a consequential salary dump, while whottt would be melting down Chernobyl style.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

This is obviously the 2nd half of the Spurs offseason to plan to get rid of Barry, Beno, and Bonner, and acquire Emeka Okafor, Jameer Nelson, and Randy Foye.

[mystargtr34]

The Spurs are on their way to becoming the new Knicks and Pacers one stop shop. As soon as a team was looking to dump a big contract they would call Isiah, as soon as they were looking for a draft pick they would call Larry. Now teams looking for assets/needs will come to Spurs for a favour because they know RC will dent the future of the franchise to put some $$$ in his back pocket.

[Bruno]

Spurs FO hopes he's a bust or at least is not good enough to justify the $6 mil cash grab.


Spurs have decided last year to sign Elson/Butler over Scola and have given this year a $9M/3 years contract to Bonner.
The problem with Scola wasn't a money problem last summer and this summer.
Either Spurs were really low on him or Scola didn't want to sign with Spurs. The first solution is the more likely. We will see who will be the best nba player : Scola or Bonner.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm going to laugh at whottt the day he melts down when Barry leaves. Replace Butler with Barry in this trade, most of the forum would be happy because that would be a consequential salary dump, while whottt would be melting down Chernobyl style.

The last thing the Spurs would want to do now is jeopardize that $6 mil they just picked up. If the Spurs make any additional moves this summer Barry will likely be on the way out.

[Roxsfan]

I love to see you like that STUPID FUCKS!!!!

I told you

Your sorry ass team front office is CHEAP...

Bryan Colangelo is still better than RC Buford and company..

hahahahahahaha

Cry bitches cry!!!


does that mean you're a roxs fan :wtf

[whottt]

I'm going to laugh at whottt the day he melts down when Barry leaves. Replace Butler with Barry in this trade, most of the forum would be happy because that would be a consequential salary dump, while whottt would be melting down Chernobyl style.



Right...because Barry has actually contributed to two NBA titles...just about every time picking up the slack for board darlings like Beno Udrih, Devin Brown and Chokael Finley.

The fact that most of the board would actively celebrate Barry leaving but outraged at two bigs who have contributed exactly jack shit to this team...is what mystifies me.


Then again...Michael Finley has carte blanche to be Bowen whiner, suck through an entire regular season worse than Barry ever and pull the greatest individual choke in Finals history....


And Spurs fans love him for it...

The only way it could get better for ya'll is is he fucked ya'll sisters and nutted on your faces after he got done choking and sucking...

[Bruno]

1. The Spurs also thought so little of Hermann that he ended up signing with a horrible expansion team where he knew he'd be a bench player behind Wallace and Morrison, and he signed for about 0.66 Bonners

We will see if Spurs are right or wrong about Scola. Future will tell.
And Herrmann isn't that good, you will notice it next year.



2. re: keeping Butler for 2 years, I could be wrong, but I believe that the second year wouldn't be against the luxury tax as multiple contracts are coming off that year like Horry, Finley and Barry. So while they might not have that much cap room in summer 08, they wouldn't be close enough to the tax to cost the Spurs anything extra.

You're right. It would have cost $7M. It seems to be a really expensive gamble.

[Marcus Bryant]

Barry is worthless. But he's white and funny. Like Kerr. Northside liked him.

[objective]

The last thing the Spurs would want to do now is jeopardize that $6 mil they just picked up.

it's true. They just got done throwing that money on the pile. It's time to jump into it and make dollar angels. :blah

[mystargtr34]

does that mean you're a roxs fan :wtf
Naw hes a pathetic little Cavs fan bathing in the misfortunes of the Spurs - Imagine how happy he would be if hes pathetic franchise would grown some balls and gotten Scola themselves which they were close to doing. But, it looks like they wont even have a decent power forward who can score next season either.

[timvp]

Right...because Barry has actually contributed to two NBA titles...just about every time picking up the slack for board darlings like Beno Udrih, Devin Brown and Chokael Finley.

The fact that most of the board would actively celebrate Barry leaving but outraged at two bigs who have contributed exactly jack shit to this team...is what mystifies me.


Then again...Michael Finley has carte blanche to be Bowen whiner, suck through an entire regular season worse than Barry ever and pull the greatest individual choke in Finals history....


And Spurs fans love him for it...

The only way it could get better for ya'll is is he fucked ya'll sisters and nutted on your faces after he got done choking and sucking...

And the meltdown begins . . .

Don't be fooled. The Spurs could have put a mannequin out there in place of Barry in 2005 and 2007 and still won the championship.

[ATX Spur]

FFFUCK ME! I should have just gone to bed.

[Borosai]

Dead weight.

[Roxsfan]

Naw hes a pathetic little Cavs fan bathing in the misfortunes of the Spurs - Imagine how happy he would be if hes pathetic franchise would grown some balls and gotten Scola themselves which they were close to doing. But, it looks like they wont even have a decent power forward who can score next season either.

Eye Sea.

hmm, spurs/rockets games are going to be superbowl-big in Texas next season :smokin

[whottt]

And the meltdown begins . . .

Don't be fooled. The Spurs could have put a mannequin out there in place of Barry in 2005 and 2007 and still won the championship.


mannequin>Finley

[mystargtr34]

Might help you get past the Jazz ;)

[timvp]

http://www.artestuff.com/images/mannequin-male.jpg

[mystargtr34]

mannequin>Finley
You seriously think Holt will meet the buy out for him?

[objective]

you know, if the Spurs sign a Udoka . . .

good chance that Mahinmi stays overseas, where he can sit on a bench and not be developed by a team that knows he's just a rental

splendid!

[whottt]

What's going to be funny is when Finley goes Smitty this year....hopefully it will happen before we trade Barry.

[Marcus Bryant]

you know, if the Spurs sign a Udoka . . .

good chance that Mahinmi stays overseas, where he can sit on a bench and not be developed by a team that knows he's just a rental

splendid!

If they sign Udoka then Barry is gone. There's no reason to not bring Mahinmi in now and send him to the Toros.

[Marcus Bryant]

Before I forget, how much did the Toros cost?

:stirpot:

[timvp]

You basically have to bring Mahinmi over now. He'd be the third string center and can spend two years as a Toro.

Ludden is setting the seeds for the Spurs to get rid of White and bringing in a wing like Udoka. Udoka waits out a year learning behind Finley, Barry and Bowen and then the following year starts next to Ginobili.

Either that or Holt binges on his $6M and we get to hear the spin about how Marcus Williams is Sean Elliott reborn.

[whottt]

Let's see...

Trade Barry...and keep a back up rotation of Finley, White and Williams...

And you clowns are rushing to that like a moth to the flame. Celebrating it even...getting excited about it.


What if I am right and that Finley we saw in the finals is the Finley we will have this year(not a huge leap since that was the Finley we had for most of this past year).

[Marcus Bryant]

Lose Barry and pick up Bowen's protege. Works for me.

[timvp]

What if I was right and the Cavs would have won in 5.
Then this trade would hurt even more.

[whottt]

Why is everyone so sure they want this roster spot for Mahinimi...and not Sanikidze?


Maybe they weren't playing him until they knew they could bring him over this year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why is everyone so sure they want this roster spot for Mahinimi...and not Sanikidze?


Maybe they weren't playing him until they knew they could bring him over this year.


They just dropped two bigs for nothing.

[whottt]

Lose Barry and pick up Bowen's protege. Works for me.


Everything works for you...you glutton talent like a fatman gluttons lard...little or no thought behind it...just sheer gluttony...

We'd have Webber, Malone and Kidd falling apart at the seams for a combined 400 mil per year if you'd gotten your way...horder!

[Marcus Bryant]

If I wanted the Spurs to hoard talent wouldn't I want them to retain Barry?

Oh wait, my bad...

:smokin

[mystargtr34]

Holt will probly go into the season with the league minimum of players. Mahinmi def. comes and spends most of his time for the Toros.

Duncan/Oberto/Horry/Elson/Bonner works for the 4/5 spots while Ian plays NBDL.

I cant see us spending money on Udoka or anyone for that matter. That would be like trading Butler + Scola for Udoka

[whottt]

They just dropped two bigs for nothing.


Yeah....but our swings remain the obvious concern...and it's the roster spot that was needed. Neither Scola nor Butler had ever been a part of the rotation here anyway.

[drmvp]

Am I the only one who'd rather Scola stay forever in Europe than to trade him for tiddlywinks? Do you really trust a second round pick in the hands of these Spurs' scouts anymore? After the Marcus "Slow-Poke" Williams selection, I don't.

Even more importantly, I don't want to spend the next 5-8 years banging my head against the wall in frustration as I watch Scola have a potential Carlos Boozer-like impact for some other team. I've had enough banging-of-the-head watching Josh Howard, thank you.

And, also, you're placing a very talented bigman in the league who would play with passionate rage each time he faced the Spurs. Who knows, one day he could wind up on Houston and be the deciding factor in a playoff series against the Spurs. His fire and intensity could become a rallying point and inspiration for his comrades.

As I've said: pay him, play him, pimp him, and parlay him.

Sell high. Otherwise, let him rot.




Say the Spurs had drafted Josh Howard. Now, imagine that Howard had suffered a career-ending knee injury in his very first summer league game and never played a game for the Spurs.

Well, the Spurs are now 3-peat champions.

It's not just who plays for your team. It's also who doesn't play for the other team.

And for Heaven's sake, don't even think about giving Scola to Houston. The Rockets are closer than some realize, and they could easily meet the Spurs in the playoffs. Don't give the Rockets a chance to work a little Scola Argentinean voodoo against the Spurs.

Fixed it.

[T Park]

Like I said to Kori.

Im still stunned. With anger, sickness, and shock.


Im just flabbergasted that I've seen the Spurs sink to new levels of suckassness.

[whottt]

If I wanted the Spurs to hoard talent wouldn't I want them to retain Barry?

Oh wait, my bad...

:smokin


horder = whore and hoard

I wanted to call you a whore but it didn't really make much sense to do so and I couldn't actually justify it...so I adapted. And yes....it felt good. Almost as good as reading old Kidd to SA threads :tu

[Marcus Bryant]

Ludden's articles about Mahinmi lead one to believe the Spurs planned on bringing him in this summer. I'm not sure the injury changes that. Sanikidze's future is unknown, but at this point I don't know if he's shown enough to turn down a deal with a Udoka or Barnes.

Unless there are six million reasons why.

:sick

[KidCongo]

stuffed up a trade scenario for the cavs...

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/columnists/brian_windhorst/17489083.htm

[Marcus Bryant]

horder = whore and hoard

I wanted to call you a whore but it didn't really make much sense to do so and I couldn't actually justify it...so I adapted. And yes....it felt good. Almost as good as reading old Kidd to SA threads :tu

Yeah, most of your posts don't really make that much sense.

[Marcus Bryant]

stuffed up a trade scenario for the cavs...

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/columnists/brian_windhorst/17489083.htm

Bibby? That deal most certainly would have sent Barry out. Damn.

[mystargtr34]

So i assume in that deal

Cavs get -- Luis Scola + Mike Bibby
Kings get -- Jackie Butler + Drew Gooden
Spurs get --

[Roxsfan]

SA got S'd in the Cola........get it :elephant

[whottt]

Ludden's articles about Mahinmi lead one to believe the Spurs planned on bringing him in this summer. I'm not sure the injury changes that. Sanikidze's future is unknown, but at this point I don't know if he's shown enough to turn down a deal with a Udoka or Barnes.

Unless there are six million reasons why.

:sick


Well count me among those that likes Mahinimi for this team better than Butler or Scola...

Exactly how many projects do you want at a time as we try to defend our title?

[KidCongo]

So i assume in that deal

Cavs get -- Luis Scola + Mike Bibby
Kings get -- Jackie Butler + Drew Gooden
Spurs get --

maybe david wesley* and 2nd rounder...

[whottt]

I'd rather have Mutombo and Hayes than Scola and Butler...

What's their status now?

[Roxsfan]

I'd rather have Mutombo and Hayes than Scola and Butler...

What's their status now?


we gots all for baby :rolleyes :elephant

[T Park]

I'm still sitting here, at almost midnight california time.

Stunned, as to what the Spurs are doing as an organization.

Just, stunned.

[whottt]

And all you guys that think Ian sucks are going to be in for a rude awakening.


He's not Elson...he plays a hell of a lot harder than Elson does.

[whottt]

I'm such a victim. I have to be a fan of a team that just won a title, I deserve more, I deserve better


:yawn


Will you guys get the fuck over it? They traded a project and a loudmouth to clear a spot for a more talented player than either of them, and got the most they could get out of it.

[timvp]

whottt -- This isn't about Mahinmi. Do you really think that Scola and Butler combined are worth trading for a second round pick?

Question.

[mystargtr34]

And all you guys that think Ian sucks are going to be in for a rude awakening.


He's not Elson...he plays a hell of a lot harder than Elson does.
You cant really get worse... but thanks

[T Park]

Fuck you whottt.

Take your no house selling ass, and go fuck yourself.

To champion this trade is the ultimate in stupidity.


Fuck you.

[kris]

Why didn't they just let the red head with bad posture go? They save 3 million right there for a guy they don't take very seriously.

[T Park]

Maybe the Spurs sent contracts out to the wrong people and traded the wrong guys.

YEAH

YEAH THATS IT!!!


Christ i want to cry and drink heavily.

[mystargtr34]

How does this help us for the 2008 Free Agents. Also is it realistic to think that Duncan will opt out and sign for less money ie backload the contract. What if the salary cap nudges close to 60mil for season 08/09? Might put us in the market for a big name.

Im scraping the barrel for positives!

[whottt]

whottt -- This isn't about Mahinmi. Do you really think that Scola and Butler combined are worth trading for a second round pick?

Question.



As opposed to waiving Butler and losing Scola for nothing?


Bad blood between the Spurs and Scola and every GM in the NBA knows it...they also know he is on the verge of staying in Europe.


Would you rather we have gotten absolutely nothing for them?


Or would you rather the Spurs have put Ian on hold while they waste time on a guy that doesn't even get energetic about playing offense? Or an ahole that has done nothing but complain since the night we drafted him?


I'd have like to have gotten more and I am sure the Spurs would have as well...do you think the Spurs turned down more?

I don't.

[T Park]

salary cap is already set.

Duncan wont do it.

Does nothing to help for FAs next year.

Its the worst trade in spurs history.

Period. No other way to explain it.

[T Park]

Would you rather we have gotten absolutely nothing for them?

I would have rather kept a developing Butler and told Scola to fuck off and eaten a second round pick.

Fuck sending the guy to the Rockets where hes gonna blow up.

[mystargtr34]

lol i understand the frustration. Did yoiu just find out about the trade? The salary cap is set for this season coming, not for Duncan's opt out year.

[whottt]

I know this...

Jackie Butler has been given up on now by Isiah and the Spurs...usually either one of those is a kiss of career death...both of them?


How you like Nazr and Charlie Ward now?


I am not worried about losing Butler...

And I think Scola is a cancerous bitch.....the kind that is always tempting to hold on to...but the kind that never is worth all the trouble it takes to do so.

[kris]

If Duncan leaves, you can't blame him. The Spurs only big moves since he got here are resigning their own players.

They strung along the fans with Scola for five years for 0. Spurs are just lucky they have Duncan and Pop. That's the only reason all the chicanery works.

[timvp]

Would you rather we have gotten absolutely nothing for them?

Yes. You can sit on Scola's rights until his contract with Tau expires in less than a year. At that point, his value would rise.

You also can then play Butler some before the trade deadline to increase his value. You can trade him at the trade deadline for nothing if that's what you want.

Selling both pieces at their lowest possible value to the Rockets for nothing isn't a good trade. I'd rather keep Scola and Butler away from the Rockets than have a worthless second round pick.

[T Park]

I feel bad for Duncan.

hes gonna be saddled with Udrih and bullshit next year.

Sorry tim. Someone with your talent shouldn't be saddled with this front office of RC the fuckwad and Holt.

[drmvp]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4965031.html

Rockets in position to sign Spanish-league star
Morey expects Scola to be with team next season; Spanoulis shipped to Spurs in trade

By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle


The Rockets completed a deal to land the rights to forward Luis Scola, one of the stars of Argentina's 2004 gold-medal-winning Olympic team and twice the MVP of the Spanish league. They will send guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to San Antonio for Scola and reserve center Jackie Butler.

Scola, a 6-9, 230-pound forward who was the 56th player taken in the 2002 NBA draft, had been one of the most coveted unsigned players in the world but became increasingly difficult to sign as he emerged as the star of Tau Ceramica (Vitoria, Spain), one of the top powers in Europe.

The Spurs permitted the Rockets to talk with Scola, 27, in recent days and, although contract negotiations were not permitted, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey was confident Scola was ready to make the move to the NBA.

``We're planning to sign Luis,'' Morey said. ``He's excited to play in Houston. We expect to see him in a Rockets uniform next year. Luis is very motivated to come to the league and is very motivated to play with Yao (Ming) and Tracy (McGrady).

``The Spurs gave us permission to speak with him about three days ago, and we had a long conversation.''

Teams are not permitted to make offers until the deal is complete, but the Rockets likely will be able to offer Scola between $3 million and $3.5 million for the first year. Morey would not discuss the parameters of the deal he has in mind.

Scola, who had a deadline of Saturday to tell Tau if he would be leaving, has a buyout of reportedly $3 million. Under league rules, the Rockets are allowed to pay only $500,000 of that but can structure the contract to ease the initial impact of the buyout.

``For sure, he's one of the best power forwards in Europe, for sure,'' said Rockets forward Lior Eliyahu, who played against Scola twice last season. ``He's a good penetrator, can (score) off the pass, can face the basket, back to the basket. I remember him as a leader. He is the leader of the team.''

Scola averaged 15.5 points and 5.9 rebounds in the Euroleague this year and averaged 14.3 points and 5.6 rebounds in seven years with Tau in the Spanish league.

Cleveland Cavaliers assistant general manager Lance Blanks, the director of scouting for the Spurs when Scola was drafted, said Scola will fit well with the Rockets.

``He plays with a lot of passion,'' Blanks said. ``I think he has a unique ability to score. He has shown how crafty he can be. He really understands the game. His basketball IQ is pretty high. He really is a good acquisition for them.''

While the deal should bring the Rockets their power forward, it also could mean Spanoulis' freedom.

Spanoulis and his agent, Miodrag Raznatovic, could not be reached Thursday, but last week, Raznatovic said Spanoulis would never play for the Rockets or any team in the United States. He even added, ``They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would he would say, `No, I cannot.' ''

Spanoulis played in 31 games last season, averaging 2.7 points and in 8.8 minutes. Butler, a 6-10, 260-pound center, played in just 11 games with the Spurs after he was acquired from the Knicks. Butler, 22, has averaged five points on 53.9 percent shooting in 69 career games.

Butler has one guaranteed season, worth $2.35 million, remaining on his contract.

Morey said the deal does not change the Rockets' intentions to sign Chuck Hayes and Dikembe Mutombo. But with little room likely left in the mid-level exception, the Rockets could try to sign Mutombo for the veteran's minimum.

``Jackie is someone we wanted in the deal,'' Morey said. ``Obviously, we had a need at center. He'll have a shot to prove it.''

But the prize in the deal was Scola.

``He has a pretty complete game in terms of an offensive skill-set, defensive integrity. He was MVP of the Spanish League, the best league outside the US, two of the last three years. He's been Euroleague first team which I would say makes him a top five player over the there.

``If I had to describe him, he's just a winner.''

[mystargtr34]

the point of that?

[T Park]

Congrats Spurs, you just handed the second place in the divison over to Houston.

Nice job.

Fuck this team.

[coachmac87]

whats the deal with john lucas?? anybody kno what his status is with the rockets? wish spurs got him in the deal

[whottt]

I think the Spurs gave up on Butler last season...

I think this summer league was entirely to up his trade value and to make him look good.


I know for a fact Mahinimi is a better player for this team than Butler and Scola.


I don't want a team full of projects while we are trying to defend our title.


What was Butler's trade value prior to summer league? What were the Spurs chances of Scola ever suiting up or it being a harmonious situation once it happened?

Pop and RC were sick of Scola too...


And when was the last time they gave up on a Euro player and were wrong to do so?

Come to think of it, when was the last time they gave up on anyone and were wrong to do so?




Yeah mofos....you been CIAED.

[T Park]

Come to think of it, when was the last time they gave up on anyone and were wrong to do so?

Stephen Jackson

Udonis Haslem


Thats two right there I can think of.

[coachmac87]

Fucking Idiots People..if Scola Was As Good As People Are Making Him Out To Be..then How Come No Teams Were Making Offers???? Please Tell Me??

[mystargtr34]

They dont want projects? What is Mahinmi then. Thats as fuckin raw as it gets.

[coachmac87]

Stephen Jackson

Udonis Haslem


Thats two right there I can think of.

hey dumbass..if spurs resgined sjack then manu wouldve proablly gone to denver or somewhere else...and haslem??? gimmie a break

[whottt]

Yes. You can sit on Scola's rights until his contract with Tau expires in less than a year. At that point, his value would rise.

Maybe...but at the same time he could fuck the Spurs over...and has given every indication he might do so.

Basically this was a trade of 2 disgruntled Euros and Butler for CapSpace, a second rounder, and cash.



You also can then play Butler some before the trade deadline to increase his value. You can trade him at the trade deadline for nothing if that's what you want.

LMAO....watch Spurs games much?

You know what...I'd rather the Spurs focus on winning a title and if they are going to develop a bigman...I'd rather it be Ian.






Selling both pieces at their lowest possible value to the Rockets for nothing isn't a good trade. I'd rather keep Scola and Butler away from the Rockets than have a worthless second round pick.

It's better than getting nothing for them...or playing games trying to develop a player they aren't interested in at the expense of one they are.

[timvp]

Come to think of it, when was the last time they gave up on anyone and were wrong to do so?


http://www.nba.com/media/act_josh_howard.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_stephen_jackson.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_leandro_barbosa.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_raja_bell.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_mikki_moore.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_devin_brown.jpg

[whottt]

Stephen Jackson

Udonis Haslem


Thats two right there I can think of.


They didn't give up on Jack...and Udonis sucked then.

[objective]

hey dumbass..if spurs resgined sjack then manu wouldve proablly gone to denver or somewhere else...and haslem??? gimmie a break

lol, Stephen Jackson would have just meant that Brent Barry would never have been signed.

[drmvp]

Would you rather we have gotten absolutely nothing for them?

I'd rather the Spurs had drafted Josh Howard only to then send him off to a Siberian gulag.

Simply by keeping him away from the Mavs, the Spurs would now be Back-to-Back-to-Back repeat champions.

[whottt]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_josh_howard.jpg
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As evidenced by our lack of recent titles....and you have a broad definition of give up...that includes pursuing Jason Kidd.

[Kori Ellis]

I know for a fact Mahinimi is a better player for this team than Butler and Scola.



How do you know this? Have you seen some secret footage we haven't seen?

[timvp]

Maybe...but at the same time he could fuck the Spurs over...and has given every indication he might do so.

Basically this was a trade of 2 disgruntled Euros and Butler for CapSpace, a second rounder, and cash.

Oh wait, let me shed a tear for the potential lost second round draft pick Scola could cost them.

:jack



LMAO....watch Spurs games much?

You know what...I'd rather the Spurs focus on winning a title and if they are going to develop a bigman...I'd rather it be Ian.


Misttter regular season strikes again. Who cares what happens before the All-Star break? Barry could be shooting 99% on threes and it doesn't matter. The season starts in March. Most of us have figured that out.


It's better than getting nothing for them...or playing games trying to develop a player they aren't interested in at the expense of one they are.

What are the chances Mahinmi even plays five games for the Spurs next year? 10%?

[timvp]

How do you know this? Have you seen some secret footage we haven't seen?
Mahinmi rhymes with Barry so it's all good.

:hat

[whottt]

LMAO...I bet I can go back to some early Summer League game threads and find half the people now outraged at giving up on Butler....ripping him to bits in some of those threads.

He has some offensive skill...he also takes plays off...on offense...who in the hell does that?

[Bruno]

My final opionion on this trade is that it's too soon to judge it.
Even if I don't like it, I can see why Spurs have done it.
For Spurs FO, Bonner > Scola and Butler is a scrub.

If Spurs are right about their evaluation of these players, people will look dumb for calling that trade "the worst trade of Sprus history".
If Spurs are wrong, they will look awfull to have helped a division rival.

[mystargtr34]

It's better than getting nothing for them...or playing games trying to develop a player they aren't interested in at the expense of one they are

Once again, better to let Scola's ugly ass rot than to give him to the Rockets. We can play the what if game all we want, but as long as there is a good chance, and there is, that Scola can become something with our rivals, not to mention Jackie - then yes i would rather let him sit and rot and get NADA for him and get a second rounder for Jackie from the Nets (they would probably give more)

[spurscenter]

AARON BROOKS for SCOLA, BENO, BARRY, wait scola is gone

[whottt]

How do you know this? Have you seen some secret footage we haven't seen?



No...the same footage ya'll have seen. I don't see how it be argued that either of them are a better fit for this team skil set wise than Ian.

Ian is an athletic rebounder and shotblocker type who hustles his butt off...at worst, he's going to be a big version of Malik.


I know he sucked this year...

He didn't get minutes....


Like Sanikidze.
And Oberto last year.


Minutes matter...figure it out.

[YODA]

There has to be more to this then meets the eye. I actually think the FO is looking at it in the following way.
1. heads up trade; butler for the fool. An obvious salary dump and roster spot opening.
2. scola for a second round draft pick
I really think they wanted to just dump Butlers salary, so they made the trade. Scola's name came up so they made that trade for a second rounder.

I may be seachign here, buts thats the best I can come up with. It sure looks worse the way it sounds. butler and scola for a second rounder. yikes...

There has to be a reason for creatring the space. I hope, I pray,

Have to remember that none of these people are starters and may bever be. the FO cant be perfect everytime.
Lets not forget the people we have gotton in the past. bowen, kersey,. finley, barry, person, horry, jackson, vanexce, elie.... These are names we got in the FA market. Not all were great, but helped in one way or another. give them some credit.


Yoda

[Bruno]

And this trade won't help the France/Argentina fight.
We had Manu vs. Tony and now we have Scola traded to open a roster spot for Mahinmi. :lol

[coachmac87]

lol, Stephen Jackson would have just meant that Brent Barry would never have been signed.


lol um no...we got brent for less money than jack got in atl....so ur wrong

[timvp]

Ian is an athletic rebounder and shotblocker type who hustles his butt off...at worst, he's going to be a big version of Malik.

:rolleyes X 1,000,000

You should be stripped of your Malik Rose fandom card. Mahinmi at worst is someone like Boniface N'Dong, Andre Brown, Dwayne Jones or other players who didn't even make it to the NBA.

I've watched every Mahinmi clip available on the internet and there's no way to judge whether he's even an NBA caliber player. Being able to run and jump isn't enough to make the NBA.

[T Park]

mahinmi at best could be another stromile fucking swift.

[coachmac87]

mahinmi at best could be another stromile fucking swift.


ya but were not asking ian to be a star...just somebody who can block and rebound....

[T Park]

you fuckin people are out of your goddamn gords.

MAHINMI COULDNT GET OFF THE BENCH IN FRANCE.

NOT HELD BACK.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY!!


HELLO

MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[whottt]

:rolleyes X 1,000,000

You should be stripped of your Malik Rose fandom card. Mahinmi at worst is someone like Boniface N'Dong, Andre Brown, Dwayne Jones or other players who didn't even make it to the NBA.

I've watched every Mahinmi clip available on the internet and there's no way to judge whether he's even an NBA caliber player. Being able to run and jump isn't enough to make the NBA.



Mahinimi plays hard...this should be obvious...in every video clip I have seen of him...he plays harder than any other guy on his team.

He can jump out of the gym.

He's improved in the areas the Spurs asked of him...better than Butler has. And his skill set is one more coveted by the Spurs.


The Spurs asked both of them to get into shape...Ian did, Jackie didn't.

That matters to the Spurs...it easy to get to become a Spur...but it's hard to stay one, it takes more than just talent.

He's like Elson if Elson had never met hash.


I like him better than Scola or Butler.

[timvp]

He's like Elson

:owned

[T Park]

Whottt liking Mahinmi is the kiss of death.

[coachmac87]

you fuckin people are out of your goddamn gords.

MAHINMI COULDNT GET OFF THE BENCH IN FRANCE.

NOT HELD BACK.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY!!


HELLO

MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


so was he good enough when the spurs drafted him...i doubt he has gotten worse...he has imrpoved with his body and strength..and wasnt that his major issue??? i believe so

[coachmac87]

tpark is a piece of shit :lol

[whottt]

you fuckin people are out of your goddamn gords.

MAHINMI COULDNT GET OFF THE BENCH IN FRANCE.

NOT HELD BACK.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY!!


HELLO

MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And Oberto couldn't get off the bench here...


Damn you guys do the "blind hate based on minutes" schtick well.


Did it ever occur to you that some of those teams want Mahinimi to be there for a couple of years rather than just develop him in a year and then lose him?

Trust me...that is not the way the European mind works.

[whottt]

:owned


I'm sorry.

[whottt]

Whottt liking Mahinmi is the kiss of death.


Yeah...cuz I liked Manu and Parker as well.

[timvp]

Cavs in 5!

That quote never gets old.

[whottt]

That quote never gets old.


:sleep

[spursfan09]

wow so we're still upset about this trade? Guys have a drink. thats what I did....

[spurscenter]

The Houston Rockets and San Antonio Spurs completed a deal on Thursday, that would send San Antonio backup center Jackie Butler, and the draft rights to Luis Scola of Spain in return for Houston point guard Vassilis Spanoulis.

There is only one problem, Spanoulis has repeatedly told the Rockets that he has no intention of playing in the NBA for any franchise, and that he wants to play in his native Greece. The Rockets say they intend to hold Spanoulis to his three year deal, and if the Rockets do not let him out of his pact, FIBA will not allow him to play for any Greek team. Stay Tuned for this one!

i think they are behind by like a few hours.

[sabar]

Would you rather we have gotten absolutely nothing for them?

Duh. Why would you package the missing pieces to a western conference contender for ESSENTIALLY NOTHING?

If the Rockets off the Spurs in the playoffs, we will have a million awesome Whottt quotes here. Of course, we still have:


Cavs in 5

Worst trade by this organization. Scola better not agree to a buyout and Butler better bust. If either of them put up more than 5 ppg, we lose. Most 2nd rounders put up 0 ppg and just get waived. We pretty much lose no matter what happens. All we need to do now is waive White and extend Beno and Barry!

[TwoHandJam]

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Wasn't Haslem on our summer team at some point too? :depressed

[Hoy]

The Houston Rockets and San Antonio Spurs completed a deal on Thursday, that would send San Antonio backup center Jackie Butler, and the draft rights to Luis Scola of Spain in return for Houston point guard Vassilis Spanoulis.

There is only one problem, Spanoulis has repeatedly told the Rockets that he has no intention of playing in the NBA for any franchise, and that he wants to play in his native Greece. The Rockets say they intend to hold Spanoulis to his three year deal, and if the Rockets do not let him out of his pact, FIBA will not allow him to play for any Greek team. Stay Tuned for this one!

i think they are behind by like a few hours.


I don't want Spanoulis. He is even worse than Beno. A drama queen to boot.

[T Park]

Don't worry about it. Hes not coming.

Worst

fucking

trade

EVER

[BeerIsGood!]

In pretty much every decision the Spurs have made I could at least see their point of view. I might not have liked it but I could understand. This one just stinks of greed and money lust over basketball. Unless this actually is a precursor to a much bigger deal that strengthens the Spurs on court it is stunningly bad. Even then it would be bad because there were better ways to accomplish salary cuts and open roster spots, but if not it's ridiculously bad. Why the damn Rockets? Why?

I'm going on NBA hibernation until something better happens or the season starts. This is just sickening.

[T Park]

I'm about 99% sure im giving up my season tickets.

Im not gonna give money to an owner whos gonna be cheap and not win.

Same reason i havent gone to a cardinals home game this year.


I'm absolutely sickened the Spurs have become "that team"

[sabar]

I read this announcement several hours ago and I still can't believe what the Spurs did. We traded to a talented division rival a potential missing piece and a young center that's better than Elson for... nothing.

Nothing.

We seriously could have taken any other offer from any other team and it would have been better.

[TDMVPDPOY]

we shouldve made a deal for battier or get BONZI of there hands since his only earnin what? 1-2m only.

this was a stupid move by the spurs

and we are getting the flack for helping to rebuild a powerhouse in the west.

rich gets robbed

[whottt]

Do you really freaking think Scola or Butler are the difference in us winning or losing a title? Especially this season? I want ya'll to tell me what indicates to you that Pop is even going to play them...


Cheez...put the crack pipe down. You guys act like we just traded Jordan.


Scola couldn't even win in Europe...and that was without the choking albatross of T(lottery, 21 game losing streak, worst record in the NBA, can't even get out of the first round as often as Garnett)Mac holding him down.

[mystargtr34]

If we got the exact same shit back from say the Bobcats, i wouldnt care half as much ya know. As long as theres a chance there with Houston, that they be something, then its a stupid trade in my book.

[hsxvvd]

we shouldve made a deal for battier or get BONZI of there hands since his only earnin what? 1-2m only.

this was a stupid move by the spurs

and we are getting the flack for helping to rebuild a powerhouse in the west.

rich gets robbed

As a DUKE fan, I read the headline "Spurs send Scola & Butler to Houston" and instantly thought.... Battier!!!! Needless to say I read further to see Spannfuckingnolisis...

All the talk of Scola & Butler's value individually, and then to receive sooo little, :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang

[Bruno]

People are overrating the financial aspect of this trade.

The reason why Spurs haven't signed Scola this summer or last summer isn't money, it's because they think he sucks. Had Spurs like Scola, they would have given him $9M/3 years this summer isntead of spending them on Bonner.

The reason why Spurs have dumped Butler is because they think he is think he sucks. Spurs could have dumped another player to save money.

[sabar]

Spurs could have dumped another player to save money.That assumes that there is another team that wants the contract that can be dumped, namely, Barry and Beno. Beno already has low-value (and thus, little to no offers) and the FO is attached to both Barry and Beno, not to mention adament about returning with the same group.

In the end, the only real people they could dump were those that didn't play in the run. Every day since the championship the paper has had a quote about "keeping the team that won it".

Who else would (not could) this front office trade to dump salary?

[whottt]

To me Scola and Butler are the same player...offensive guys that don't do much else...they play different styles of ball...but they are basically the same type of player.


And the Spurs have a pretty damn good offensive bigman already...

[drmvp]

Do you really freaking think Scola or Butler can be the difference in us winning or losing a title?

Yes.

Sincerely,
Josh Howard

[whottt]

Tell you what...you guys can keep listing all the ones that got away...

And I am going to list 3 titles in 5 years....

Could have been more?


Only one or two teams in NBA history have ever done better in a 5 year period....i


Some people need to readjust their priorities...the ring is the thing. Not hoarding bigmen.


It's Mahinmimi and Splitter now...

Oberto and Elson worked just fine last season, and will again for this season, they were never the problem this season.

[BeerIsGood!]

People are overrating the financial aspect of this trade.

The reason why Spurs haven't signed Scola this summer or last summer isn't money, it's because they think he sucks. Had Spurs like Scola, they would have given him $9M/3 years this summer isntead of spending them on Bonner.

The reason why Spurs have dumped Butler is because they think he is think he sucks. Spurs could have dumped another player to save money.

That's fine, but why send them to a divison rival team, especially one that made the playoffs this season? That makes no sense. They would have been better off wasted for nothing than sent to a division rival. I truly do hope they both suck now. I hope so.

This Spurs management seems to be running the team like they plan on jumping ship when Duncan is gone. Get what you can now and jump ship with the titles when it goes down.

[Bruno]

Who else would (not could) this front office trade to dump salary?

Dumping Beno shouldn't be really harder than dumping Butler.
And there is a reason why Barry and Elson were in the rotation and Butler wasn't. Spurs like them more.

[polandprzem]

I'm about 99% sure im giving up my season tickets.

Im not gonna give money to an owner whos gonna be cheap and not win.

Same reason i havent gone to a cardinals home game this year.


I'm absolutely sickened the Spurs have become "that team"


:dramaquee


Another statment made by TPark which never realy fits into description of a statment

[Bruno]

That's fine, but why send them to a divison rival team, especially one that made the playoffs this season?

If Spurs FO has chosen to bring Elson, Butler and re-signing Bonner over bringing Scola, there is a reason. The most likely reason is that they think he won't be a good nba player.
If Spurs FO has tried to trade Butler since the deadline, there is a reason. The most likely reason is that they think he won't be a good nba player.

So if you think that Scola and Butler are scrubs, you don't really care where you send them because they won't be able to help the other team.

[whottt]

Yes.

Sincerely,
Josh Howard


Spurs never had Josh Howard and gave up on him...some elements of the Spurs brass wanted Howard and others didn't...

Pretty sure that it's the same elements that wanted Howard that were willing to say goodbye to Jackie and Luis...

If Pop had wanted Jackie...he'd still be here. Make no mistake about it. And Scola never wanted to be a Spur...not from the night he was drafted. I am glad the Spurs didn't try to placate this douchebag and I am going to enjoy watching Oberto and Manu whup his ass.

It's an Argie thing now...and we got the better two. Manu and Oberto aren't going to let Luis' team beat us...


Not to mention Duncan...you guys really sweating the Rockets player that plays the same position as Duncan? I'm not.

[MannyIsGod]

i'm just now reading all of this news.

What

The

fuck?

Obviously I'm dreaming and this is a nightmare.

[timvp]

If Pop had wanted Raja Bell...he'd still be here. Make no mistake about it.

Oops.

[Bruno]

Obviously I'm dreaming and this is a nightmare.


Yes and Janet Reno will have some sex with you soon.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Yes.

Sincerely,
Josh Howard

What a pointless fucking response.

Josh Howard hasn't won shit, so how can you say he was any kind of missing piece?

Go back to Clutch Fans, dolt.

[BeerIsGood!]

If Spurs FO has chosen to bring Elson, Butler and re-signing Bonner over bringing Scola, there is a reason. The most likely reason is that they think he won't be a good nba player.
If Spurs FO has tried to trade Butler since the deadline, there is a reason. The most likely reason is that they think he won't be a good nba player.

So if you think that Scola and Butler are scrubs, you don't really care where you send them because they won't be able to help the other team.

That wreaks of egomania. You don't take that chance. You may not think they'll be anything, but you'll look like a giant ass if they do - and then you've given yourself up as a target to beat out in the division. You basically called them trash and placed them in one of the best potential places to stuff it right back in your face. That's just stupid.

[Kori Ellis]

Dumping Beno shouldn't be really harder than dumping Butler.
And there is a reason why Barry and Elson were in the rotation and Butler wasn't. Spurs like them more.

First of all dumping Butler was much easier than dumping Beno. They have been trying to dump Beno for 2 years and no one takes him for a dirty gym sock. Secondly, it's not as simply as "liking them more." There's other factors.

First of all, no one wants Elson. He's 31 years old and isn't going to get better than a 5/5 guy who can't figure out how to guard anyone. So he's much harder to move than a 21 year old that most GMs in the league think has potential.

The Spurs obviously think Mahinmi has more potential than Butler. But it's not a matter of that they "like" everyone else on their roster better than Butler. That's a ridiculous way to think.

The Spurs tried damn hard to trade them to the East - they didn't want to trade them to the West. So obviously they think that Scola/Butler can do something in this league - or they wouldn't have cared so much about not trading them to the West.

[ginobili fan]

:worthy: :worthy::worthy:2008 Master Plan :worthy::worthy::worthy:


:lmao :lmao

It's only the beginning

[timvp]

I don't understand how whottt is twisting the fact that the Spurs gave two bigman away for free to a divisional rival into a take that Duncan > Scola and Butler. Yeah, way to go out on a limb with that take.

The Spurs didn't really need Manu in 2003. They should have traded him to Dallas for a second round pick.

[timvp]

And yesterday Bruno said that the least he'd want the Spurs to accept for Scola is either a first round pick or a good small forward prospect. Bruno also yesterday said Butler > 2nd round pick.

Now the Spurs trade Scola and Butler for a bad second round pick and he's rationalizing it. Stick with your guns.

[MannyIsGod]

Pop must be bored and simply wants a challenge.

Bravo, Pop.

[whottt]

Oops.


Pop wanted others more...not the same thing. Surely you get this?


Never mind...

I'll let you, Spurs Dynasty, TPark, and that douche that just compared Jackie Butler to Josh Howard commiserate....

S'really much ado about nothing though if you ask me.

Scola and Bulter weren't going to play this year...

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly, if you transpose 1st round with 2nd round it still seems pretty damn weighed in the Rockets favor.

How is it that you don't make them give you a first rounder? How on earth do you settle for the 2nd rounder?

[Bruno]

And yesterday Bruno said that the least he'd want the Spurs to accept for Scola is either a first round pick or a good small forward prospect. Bruno also yesterday said Butler > 2nd round pick.


Bruno's evaluation is the same one than Spurs' FO evalaution.
I don't think it's a good trade but I understand it.

[whottt]

I don't understand how whottt is twisting the fact that the Spurs gave two bigman away for free to a divisional rival into a take that Duncan > Scola and Butler. Yeah, way to go out on a limb with that take.

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.






The Spurs didn't really need Manu in 2003. They should have traded him to Dallas for a second round pick.


You aren't seriously comparing Jackie Butler to Manu are you?

[Kori Ellis]

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.




Umm.. in 2006, there was a chance he'd play in the NBA. Now he says he hates America and never wants to return again.

[timvp]

Pop wanted others more...not the same thing.

Huh? Pop wanted Raja Bell. Buford wanted Derrick Dial.

So your point of Pop getting who he wants was shot down.



Never mind...

I'll let you, and 99% of the rest of the Spurs fans on earth

Fixed.


S'really much ado about nothing though if you ask me.

Scola and Bulter weren't going to play this year...

Were we really supposed to expect different than you. You had hated Scola more than any human alive this side of AJ. You think Elson is the Dutch David Robinson and you were scared that Butler would take his place in the rotation.

The Spurs could have traded Scola and Butler for Adonal Foyle and you would have loved the trade.

Don't kid yourself.

[Bruno]

They have been trying to dump Beno for 2 years and no one takes him for a dirty gym sock.

That's why they picked his option for this year in october ?




First of all, no one wants Elson. He's 31 years old and isn't going to get better than a 5/5 guy who can't figure out how to guard anyone. So he's much harder to move than a 21 year old that most GMs in the league think has potential.

Are you sure Spurs want to trade Elson ?
It's possible that Spurs FO think he is a servicable rotation player and that they wnat to keep him.



The Spurs tried damn hard to trade them to the East - they didn't want to trade them to the West. So obviously they think that Scola/Butler can do something in this league - or they wouldn't have cared so much about not trading them to the West.

And they finally trade them to Houston.
It's not 100% sure Scola/Butler will be nba scrubs. That's why they try to trade them in the EC. However Spurs were enough confident in their judgement about them to send them in Houston.

[timvp]

Bruno's evaluation is the same one than Spurs' FO evalaution.
I don't think it's a good trade but I understand it.

So you just throw all your prior opinions out the window and just rationalize what the Spurs do?

Got it.

[timvp]

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.

You do realize that he's not part of the deal, right? Or did you miss that in your celebration that Scola is gone and Elson lives to play another year?


You aren't seriously comparing Jackie Butler to Manu are you?

Are you seriously rationalizing giving two bigmen with potential to the Houston Rockets for nothing?

[drmvp]

Tell you what...you guys can keep listing all the ones that got away...

It's not just that they got away, it's where they landed.



I'm going to repeat again (as I turn blue in the face):

I'd rather the Spurs had drafted Josh Howard even if they had then sent him off permanently to a Siberian gulag.

Simply by keeping him away from the Mavs, the Spurs would now be Back-to-Back-to-Back repeat champions.



Never -- NEVER! -- help a potential playoff foe get stronger. Scola was exactly what the Rockets needed. Yao will be better as a mid-to-high post player in Adelman's offense, and Scola is the complementary low post scorer they have coveted. Also, Scola will play with fury each time he faces the Spurs. Butler will be a nice backup.

Add to that Mike James, a happy camper in Bonzi Wells (on a contract year also), a rookie PG Aaron Brooks who has been absolutely sensational in the summer league, and a desperately hungry T-Mac. The Spurs could lose to these Rockets.



A far, far better plan would have been to let Scola rot in Europe.

[timvp]

And they finally trade them to Houston.
It's not 100% sure Scola/Butler will be nba scrubs. That's why they try to trade them in the EC. However Spurs were enough confident in their judgement about them to send them in Houston.

No, more like the Spurs panicked and made this deal at the last second. With Scola's deadline coming on Sunday and today being Friday, they had to make the deal right now. The Spurs were desperate and the Rockets took advantage.

[Bruno]

So you just throw all your prior opinions out the window and just rationalize what the Spurs do?

Got it.

I'm just enough open minded to accept that Spurs FO opinions aren't the same than mine.
Spurs FO think Scola and Butler are scrubs and I disagree (mainly for Scola) with that.
Maybe I'm wrong and Spurs are right and in this case, this isn't a bad trade.

[Kori Ellis]

That's why they picked his option for this year in october ?



They picked up his option hoping he'd stop sucking. But I assure you that they've tried to trade him for a multitude of bad players and no one bites.



Are you sure Spurs want to trade Elson ?
It's possible that Spurs FO think he is a servicable rotation player and that they wnat to keep him.



I am sure of what I said - that Butler was a lot easier to move than Elson. Just like with Nazr, they'll hope he can eventually catch on to D. And he won't.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm just enough open minded to accept that Spurs FO opinions aren't the same than mine.
Spurs FO think Scola and Butler are scrubs and I disagree (mainly for Scola) with that.
Maybe I'm wrong and Spurs are right and in this case, this isn't a bad trade.

They don't think they are scrubs. They wanted to get under the luxury tax and they were the most easily moved players that didn't really have much of a role here.

To say they think they are flat out scrubs is beyond stupidity.

[whottt]

Huh? Pop wanted Raja Bell. Buford wanted Derrick Dial.

So your point of Pop getting who he wants was shot down.

um...if Pop doesn't want Buford, he'll get it.







Were we really supposed to expect different than you. You had hated Scola more than any human alive this side of AJ.

AJ is a fellow Scola hater too? Cool...I may have to soften my stance on AJ.



You think Elson is the Dutch David Robinson and you were scared that Butler would take his place in the rotation.

Not for one second did I have a concern Butler was going to take his spot in the rotation.








The Spurs could have traded Scola and Butler for Adonal Foyle and you would have loved the trade.

Actually...that would be a decent trade...better than this one IMO.

[Bruno]

No, more like the Spurs panicked and made this deal at the last second.

So, I have an higher opinion on Spurs' front office than yours.

[whottt]

Umm.. in 2006, there was a chance he'd play in the NBA. Now he says he hates America and never wants to return again.


Um, you completely misspelled "he's a soft gutless bitch and neither timvp nor Aggie saw it, and both coveted"

[timvp]

So, I have an higher opinion on Spurs' front office than yours.

Was this not the last second?

[Streakyshooter08]

I somehow understand, that they wanted to save money (which I don't like but it is still buisness) but the thing that really bothers me is that they are helping a already good Houston team to fill one of their needs with Scola. I think the trade is not that bad if:

1. Scola stays in Europe (it sounded like he would come over this year)
2. Spanoulis comming to the Spurs (won't happen)
3.The Spurs opening up a roster spot for a better trade/signing

Now I hope another move will follow. (Udoka, Piertus, Outlaw,...)

[Kori Ellis]

Um, you completely misspelled "he's a soft gutless bitch and neither timvp nor Aggie saw it, and both coveted"

I'm not sure anyone saw that he was a "soft gutless bitch" or there wouldn't have been teams trying to give him a 3 year deal.

[timvp]

What doesn't make sense to me is the Spurs could have saved more money by trading away Beno for nothing than trading away Jackie Butler and replacing him with Mahinmi.

[Bruno]

Was this not the last second?

So all close to the dealine trade are panic and desperate trades ?

And Rockets have spoken to Scola for three days.

[timvp]

I got owned let me resort to fantasy basketball smack in a league where i finished in 20th out of 20 teams and timvp finished in 2nd.

[Bruno]

They picked up his option hoping he'd stop sucking. But I assure you that they've tried to trade him for a multitude of bad players and no one bites.

Have they tried to trade him packaged with Scola's rights ?




I am sure of what I said - that Butler was a lot easier to move than Elson. Just like with Nazr, they'll hope he can eventually catch on to D. And he won't.

Butler is easier to moeve than Elson but it's pointless if Spurs weren't trying to move Elson.

[whottt]

For all we know Scola had basically told the Spurs he would never play for them and if they didn't trade him now they weren't going to get anything for him...

So the Spurs traded a guy that would never play for them for a guy that would never play for the Rockets(that incidentally plays a position of another guy we want to trade), and Butler for cap space and a second round pick and are going to give his spot to Mahinimi...


Is it the deal we all wanted? Of course not...I wanted Nocioni for Scola. And if any of you guys can show me proof we turned something like that down to make the Rockets better...I'll join you in the witchhunt...

Otherwise...much ado about nothing.

[Bruno]

To say they think they are flat out scrubs is beyond stupidity.

Thanks.

[timvp]

For all we know Scola had basically told the Spurs he would never play for them and if they didn't trade him now they weren't going to get anything for him...

So the Spurs traded a guy that would never play for them for a guy that would never play for the Rockets(that incidentally plays a position of another guy we want to trade), and Butler for cap space and a second round pick and are going to give his spot to Mahinimi...

So Scola threatened the Spurs that if they don't trade him right now that they'll get nothing for him, so the Spurs turn around and trade him for nothing. Is that really the take you want to have for this trade?

Please try again.