Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?! [Archive] - Page 5

timvp

03-14-2008, 04:01 PM

Still waiting for you to prove we could have gotten more

I've already given you better scenarios. And then you asked for specific word of mouth proof that another team would have offered more. And then I say I don't have audio tapings of another general manager confirming he would have given more. And then you claim scoreboard.

Come up with a new gimmick. Thanks.

whottt

03-14-2008, 04:07 PM

I've already given you better scenarios.

I want proof and you offer a scenario?

And then you asked for specific word of mouth proof that another team would have offered more. And then I say I don't have audio tapings of another general manager confirming he would have given more. And then you claim scoreboard.

Come up with a new gimmick. Thanks.

Sure...I want proof that some team offered more....hell, I'll just be happy with an oft repeated rumor.

Here are the facts that we do know:

#1. The Spurs had him in their system for 5 years.
#2. There was friction between the Spurs and Scola.
#3. They wanted to move him. Period.

You add those up and the evidence points to Scola wanting out, or the Spurs not wanting him. Obviously...and if we know that...you think the other teams don't know that?

Add in the fact that everyone but Isiah Thomas is afraid of the Spurs FO...and I just don't see all your scenarios being that realistic.

timvp

03-14-2008, 04:10 PM

ROFL. I exposed your gimmick and didn't even play along ... and you still resort to the gimmick.

Well played :tu

whottt

03-14-2008, 04:11 PM

What the Spurs got:

1. A second round draft pick.
2. A dumping of a player and contract the Spurs wanted to be rid of.
3. A potential star guard.

What was offered that was better?

A #1 draft pick? Any guarantee he is going to wind up being worthy of the trade?

Making the Cavs even stronger?

You show me we backed out of a deal for Nocioni or Gerald Wallce or something and I'll concede the point...

timvp

03-14-2008, 04:16 PM

3. A potential star guard.
I'm not sure what's funnier ... that you view VSpan as a "star guard" or you actually believe that there was a chance the Spurs would or even could sign him.

Both aspects made me chuckle.

urunobili

03-14-2008, 04:21 PM

There just isn't enough evidence of Scola's being good or bad right now.
:donkey

whottt

03-14-2008, 04:22 PM

I'm not sure what's funnier ... that you view VSpan as a "star guard"

I said potentially...talentwise he's there...he's a just a pussy.

or you actually believe that there was a chance the Spurs would or even could sign him.

Don't know...but I do know they were interested in him at one point...even timvp was interested in him at one point.

Both aspects made me chuckle.

He's about as accomplished in Europe and FIBA as Scola was...and he fits the more problem positions on this team in regards to youth.

timvp

03-14-2008, 04:24 PM

How tall is Santa Claus? Maybe the Spurs can sign him to man the middle right after they sign VSpan.

Bruno

03-14-2008, 04:26 PM

:donkey

:rolleyes

whottt

03-14-2008, 04:27 PM

I'm not saying they are going to sign him...but it does sound like they were willing to consider it last summer at the least....

Who knows...maybe he will end up signing here next season, maybe next season was always all about Euro Get Refuel...

Man Mountain

03-22-2009, 06:16 PM

bumpity bump :toast

timvp

03-22-2009, 06:20 PM

To The Freaking Rockets At Least Trade Them To The East This Is Going To Be The Worst Trade In Spurs History Omg Shoot Me Now:depressed

benefactor

03-22-2009, 06:21 PM

Ugh...someone kill me.

whottt

03-22-2009, 06:24 PM

bumpity bump :toast

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whottt

03-22-2009, 06:25 PM

:depressed

Christ you too?

Marcus Bryant

03-22-2009, 06:39 PM

Props to Aggie Hoopsfan and 50cent and all other dick smokers who think this is about maxing out a team's net income.

Marcus Bryant

03-22-2009, 06:43 PM

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Reeko_Htown

02-27-2010, 01:32 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads12/BUMP+boobs1202556859.gif
:downspin::downspin::downspin::lmao:lmao:lmao

dougp

02-27-2010, 01:39 AM

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:downspin::downspin::downspin::lmao:lmao:lmao

It's cool ... how's the playoffs doing for you? Oh wait ...

:toast

Reeko_Htown

02-27-2010, 01:43 AM

It's cool ... how's the playoffs doing for you? Oh wait ...

:toast

better to get a lotto than getting bounced in the first round for nothing.

and How's RJ for you...for 2 more years.

Obstructed_View

02-27-2010, 01:51 AM

I spent a lot of time hoping that Scola would wash out in the NBA just to keep this from being as bad as it looked like at the time. I think I even hoped that freeing up the salary spot for Bonner could be a silver lining on the situation. Bad, bad and bad.

SenorSpur

02-27-2010, 02:52 AM

For that failed Jackie Butler trade, Larry Brown owes Pop a solid. I hope it wasn't taking Ratliff's salary off the Spurs' hands.

I hope Brown and Pop have some sort of gentlemen's agreement that they'll do a deal over the summer. Frankly, I'd still like it if the Spurs were to get their hands on Tyrus Thomas. Time for Bonner's ass to move on.

baseline bum

02-27-2010, 03:05 AM

Scola isn't slow. Yao and Butler are centers.

When Scola is average 17 and 5 and Butler proves to be a solid backup center, don't look at me.

15 and 8 :pctoss

eyeh8u

02-27-2010, 03:33 AM

better to get a lotto than getting bounced in the first round for nothing.

and How's RJ for you...for 2 more years.

1 more year not 2

OldSilentHill

02-27-2010, 10:33 AM

This time the truth does hurt, and a lot.

Homeland Security

07-16-2010, 09:06 AM

In retrospect, the Scola trade marked the end of the championship era.

kaji157

07-16-2010, 09:23 AM

In retrospect, the Scola trade marked the end of the championship era.

Even when we scored a championship on that same year, i have to agree it was the begining of a era of stubborness in general both from the FO and Pop.

And if anything Resigning Bonner was the mistake.

-Bonner resigned for the same ammount Scola signs in Houston.
-Spurs intend to mantain the same roster from 2007 to 2008.
-Spurs fail to get depth at the frontline.
-Spurs fail to get depth at the frontline.
-Spurs fail to get depth at the frontline.

TimmehC

07-16-2010, 09:26 AM

Holt's willingness to pay the tax for a shot at more chips came a bit too late.

Malice

07-16-2010, 09:28 AM

Yeah...lets relive this colossal fuck up...I see Pop everytime Scola comes to town, dropping F bombs under his breath, as Scola gathers up another double-double. It still makes me sick to this day.

Bruno

07-16-2010, 09:31 AM

3 years after, It's official: whottt and Spurs were the ones who were right by dumping these 2 losers.

Big props to you whottt. :toast

Mr. Body

07-16-2010, 10:17 AM

In retrospect, the Scola trade marked the end of the championship era.

Absolutely agree. I said it at the time. It didn't kill us by itself, but probably did cost us any chance of repeating in 2008. It left the big guns more out to dry to get worn down; took away who could have been a major player on the bench, and was just a demoralizing Cover Your Ass move.

It completely sucks.

Marcus Bryant

07-16-2010, 10:21 AM

The Spurs were willing to pay the lux tax for Richard Jefferson, but not Luis Scola, even though Scola was willing to sign a small contract. /theend

DAF86

07-16-2010, 10:24 AM

Starters: Scola/Duncan
Subs: Blair/Splitter

That would have been a more than decent front court for at least the next three years.

DAF86

07-16-2010, 11:35 AM

The Spurs could have put a mannequin out there in place of Barry in 2005 and 2007 and still won the championship.

Sacrilege!

:worthy: Barry :worthy:

ceperez

07-16-2010, 11:41 AM

z0sa

07-16-2010, 11:49 AM

People, you do realize that the Bonner signing was what prevented the Spurs from acquiring Scola.

Not

Russ

07-16-2010, 11:49 AM

I think the reason that the Spurs traded Scola was that they had just drafted Splitter and expected him to come the next Summer ('08).

The Spurs evaluated Splitter as a better front court player than Scola and felt that they could afford to do without either one for one year.

m33p0

07-16-2010, 06:46 PM

seeing that the rockets aren't anywhere near contender status, it was an okay trade. spurs just happened to lose someone who could have definitely helped.

Lars

07-16-2010, 08:38 PM

seeing that the rockets aren't anywhere near contender status, it was an okay trade. spurs just happened to lose someone who could have definitely helped.

Please, the Rockets are every bit as good as the Spurs.

ChumpDumper

07-16-2010, 08:39 PM

Please, the Rockets are every bit as good as the Spurs.Why have they been in the lottery?

chazley

07-16-2010, 08:46 PM

Please, the Rockets are every bit as good as the Spurs.

rofl...

Wanna have a bet on who finishes with a better record next season?

kaji157

07-16-2010, 08:53 PM

seeing that the rockets aren't anywhere near contender status, it was an okay trade. spurs just happened to lose someone who could have definitely helped.

That doesn´t change the fact that we missed on 3 years of a player cappable of dropping 20 double doubles a season, not to sat the ammount of resting time Duncan lost by not having anyone to supply low post scoring behind him.

I would say that adding Bonner thus, preventing us to sign Scola, thus not having Scola this past 3 years had a lot to do with TD knees not having enought time to recover.

That is nowere an OK deal, when you have thorwn away your best chance to get the best out of your superstar come playoff time.

ChumpDumper

07-16-2010, 08:56 PM

Of course it wasn't a good decision from a basketball standpoint.

It wasn't a basketball decision.

TheProfessor

07-16-2010, 09:13 PM

People, you do realize that the Bonner signing was what prevented the Spurs from acquiring Scola.

Well, we the Spurs did it again, could we have refused to re-sign Bonner, dumped RJ and acquired Scola this preseason????
No, we couldn't have. Seriously, how do people spend so much time on this site without learning anything about the salary cap?

TheProfessor

07-16-2010, 09:15 PM

The Spurs were willing to pay the lux tax for Richard Jefferson, but not Luis Scola, even though Scola was willing to sign a small contract. /theend
Too little, too late. So it goes.

kaji157

07-16-2010, 09:29 PM

No, we couldn't have. Seriously, how do people spend so much time on this site without learning anything about the salary cap?

Some people just don´t learn.

Lars

07-16-2010, 09:49 PM

rofl...

Wanna have a bet on who finishes with a better record next season?

sure

ElNono

07-16-2010, 09:58 PM

The Rockets with Yao are a great team.

baseline bum

10-31-2011, 01:14 AM

As long as we're bumping 4 year-old posts...

I can't believe this. 5 years of anticipation. 5 years of thinking the Spurs made a great second round steal. 5 years of thinking the team pulled a fast one on the rest of the league. Watching this guy light up the world in the 2004 Olympics, and knowing the Spurs had his rights. Watching him destroy Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand in the World Championships. Continually hearing we had the best player in Euroleague. 5 years of not being able to contain my excitement at seeing this guy in the black and silver.... all that gone in a second, to save Peter Holt $1.5 million in a season where he had the deepest of deep playoff runs to line his pocket. I'm disgusted. I cannot believe the Spurs gave up a guy who will most likely be a solid rotation player, maybe even a good starter, for nothing. A freaking big man on top of that.... and then another big man on top of that.

This piece of shit trade took away every ounce of enjoyment I got from the '07 title.

Mr. Body

10-31-2011, 01:26 AM

Quietly one of the worst trades in modern NBA history.

TDMVPDPOY

10-31-2011, 01:45 AM

drafting scola and not signing him

05 championship
06 wcf
07 championship

umm and where has scola taken the rockets?

Dex

10-31-2011, 02:23 AM

stephen jackson

10-31-2011, 02:27 AM

we still needa back up pg..
weres spounallis :)

slick'81

10-31-2011, 02:39 AM

never get to see tim,tony,manu and scola together :bang

TDMVPDPOY

10-31-2011, 02:59 AM

This move was like the beginning of the end for the Spurs being contenders.

If they keep Scola, they don't become desperately depleted in the front court and don't have to start throwing draft picks and free agent dollars to fill that hole (which is still seemingly as low as Lake Travis), which means they never sign Matt fucking Bonner, which also gives them assets to be used on the wing and perimeter, so they are probably never in the position to sign Richard asshat Jefferson.

Oh, and that money Holt saved on this deal? He lost it in one season paying luxury tax on Dick, a mistake that we will all be dealing with for years to come unless he gets dropped by amnesty, and even then he still has to cut him a big ass check.

:pctoss Why doesn't somebody bump the 2006 Mavs Game 7 and Lakers 2004 Game 5 blogs, while we're bringing up sore subjects?

04 was more to do with that turd turgolue who ended up bolting after 1 season

wouldve prefer paying jax the money he wanted...the only clown who wasnt worth money on the roster at the time was rose.

hence imo if we had sign jax, maybe we didnt sign rasho to that contract of his and probably lowballed him or sign the next available big which was kandiman...still dunno why robinson had to retire to go out on a high, when we were at the start of something special