Official Dallas Mavericks Offseason Speculation Thread

[monosylab1k]

I'm really talking myself into wanting Arenas on this team.

I hope he'd be serious about coming to a contender.

CUBAN MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[monosylab1k]

Yes without Dirk we do have problems offensively. Thank you very much.
It's been that way even with Dirk. Or did the first half of the SA game convince you that defense is our problem?

[mavsfan1000]

It's been that way even with Dirk. Or did the first half of the SA game convince you that defense is our problem?
Yes and San Antonio, Boston, and Houston are all great defensive teams. This team is actually worse on defense. They just haven't played the high speed teams until recently which will go off on them. See Denver and Golden State.

[monosylab1k]

This team is actually worse on defense.
No they're not. Look at what the Nuggets did to the Mavs before the trade. Thanks.

[dav4463]

Prediction: Cuban sells the team and the new owner moves them to Seattle, because OKC is too close to Dallas.

[Findog]

One thing I'd caution before dreaming about Arenas in the blue and green is that he just undercut his negotiating position with the Wizards in order to help out Antawn Jamison. He'll be the #2 option in Dallas behind Dirk but he's the #1 option in Washington. I'm sure he'll stay with the Wiz, but the Mavs should absolutely make an offer to get him here. Can't hurt.

[Findog]

Prediction: Cuban sells the team and the new owner moves them to Seattle, because OKC is too close to Dallas.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[dav4463]

huh? :dizzy

[Findog]

huh? :dizzy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfan5MacmsI

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89344

[Gino]

Im really hoping the Mavs make it...

DONT BLOW THIS GAME MAVS!

[Findog]

Im really hoping the Mavs make it...

DONT BLOW THIS GAME MAVS!

Thanks Gino. As much as it might be better in the long term to get a high draft pick, this has the potential to be one of the best playoffs ever, and there's a big part of me that wants Dallas to be a part of it, if only for one round.

[Findog]

Well, we can put our dicks away and stop jerkin' it to Agent Zero. Found this on another board, it pretty effectively throws cold water on Arenas to Dallas talk:


Dallas has no feasible way to get him anyways even if he were willing to take a lower salary. He's not taking the MLE, so you can rule that option out and Washington will not sign and trade him, and not for garbage (which is basically what we can offer). He also doesn't fit in this team with Kidd, both players need the ball to be efficiently, so that rules it out again... Oh and did I mention he's not coming here ?, not going to happen, not possible, keep dreaming though.

[monosylab1k]

okay no arenas. that means on to corey maggette or gerald wallace. or both?

how about...

Terry/Bass for Maggette
Howard/pick for Wallace
Dampier for Curry
MLE for Pietrus


PG - Kidd
SG - Maggette
SF - Wallace
PF - Nowitzki
C - Curry

Pietrus
Stack
Allen
Wright
Lue
etc.

[stretch]

I say go after Wallace. I would actually rather have him than Maggette, even though I really like Corey. I think Wallace and his hustling ability and effectiveness without the ball is what we need at swingman, because we already have two guys that are fantastic at dominating the ball in Kidd and Dirk. And honestly, I would rather keep Terry than Howard. At least he has shown that he is capable of making plays in the 4th and crunch time. Howard has never really shown that ability. And I like Terry coming off the bench. I think a coaching change would help Terry too. I think he is getting sick of Avery barking at him so much that he just doesn't care that much any more. Del Harris would definitely be nice.

[Shank]

I want a guy that will make us complain that "Shit. All that motherfucker does is alley-oop. He needs to find another way to score. It's getting old".

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Hey did you guys hear that Avery Johnson may decide to sue the owner of fireavery.com?!

[clambake]

Hey did you guys hear that Avery Johnson may decide to sue the owner of fireavery.com?!
that would make for a nice distraction.

just what the doctor ordered.

[hater]

holy shit, Mavfans were seriously thinking they could get Arenas?? :lol

looks like things hit rock bottom in Dallas

[monosylab1k]

Hey did you guys hear that Avery Johnson may decide to sue the owner of fireavery.com?!
Looks like the site owner is backtracking as well. the site is now listed as "A not so serious, knee-jerk reacting Dallas Mavericks blog". I no longer support the site. One little threat of legal action and they back off like bitches. Pretty soon that site is going to be called AveryJohnsonIsAGod.com

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Looks like the site owner is backtracking as well. the site is now listed as "A not so serious, knee-jerk reacting Dallas Mavericks blog". I no longer support the site. One little threat of legal action and they back off like bitches. Pretty soon that site is going to be called AveryJohnsonIsAGod.com

Really?! I don't know what the owner is scared of, he didn't diss Avery he only said his opinion on some of Avery coaching moves. Fuck Avery Johnson anyway though

[Findog]

Looks like the site owner is backtracking as well. the site is now listed as "A not so serious, knee-jerk reacting Dallas Mavericks blog". I no longer support the site. One little threat of legal action and they back off like bitches. Pretty soon that site is going to be called AveryJohnsonIsAGod.com

What is today?

[Findog]

holy shit, Mavfans were seriously thinking they could get Arenas?? :lol

looks like things hit rock bottom in Dallas

Uh no, we threw cold water on it for logistical reasons. Arenas himself mentioned Dallas as a possible destination, but it ain't happening.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Yo findog who is that guy in your avatar? He looks so familiar...

[Findog]

Yo findog who is that guy in your avatar? He looks so familiar...

David Koresh

[The Nba Is Rigged]

David Koresh

I think I did a project on him once, i'm not sure though

[JMarkJohns]

I know he says he's gone, and a credit to him, he did refrain from posting under his da_suns_fan moniker for two straight months from 1-31-08 through 3-31-08, but the fact that this break coincided with a time of the season when the Suns struggled most just goes to show you what kind of fan he truly is. Now that things are looking up again, he's here to rub other fanbase's noses in what he feels is their obvious stenches.

That's really freakin' weak. At this point it doesn't even matter that I mega-loathe you as a poster. I'd call anyone out for antics like this.

Where do you come off? What gives you the right to show up for the good, but hide from the bad? Why should you be allowed to dole out medicine when you never show up to take your own?

You're a weak sister post. Just thought you should know.

[JamStone]

I've read reports that Donald Sterling has serious man love for Corey Maggette and that's why he's still with the Clippers when both Dunleavy and Baylor tried to ship him off in the past. I think it would take a serious blockbuster trade where the Clips got way more than equal value for Sterling not to veto it. Don't believe Jason Terry and Brandon Bass is such a deal.

Gerald Wallace would be difficult to acquire as well. Charlotte is bad but Gerald Wallace is "the guy" there and a lot of people are starting to believe has has superstar ability. I don't see anything Dallas has short of Dirk Nowitzki that could pry Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats.

[monosylab1k]

I've read reports that Donald Sterling has serious man love for Corey Maggette and that's why he's still with the Clippers when both Dunleavy and Baylor tried to ship him off in the past. I think it would take a serious blockbuster trade where the Clips got way more than equal value for Sterling not to veto it. Don't believe Jason Terry and Brandon Bass is such a deal.
Maybe so, but Maggette can opt out of his contract after this season. If it's a case of doing a sign-n-trade or losing him for nothing, they might go for the trade. Especially considering they're already going to lose Brand.

Not saying Terry/Bass is the best trade available, but I think it's a decent deal if you weight in Bass' upside.

[Findog]

Gerald Wallace would be difficult to acquire as well. Charlotte is bad but Gerald Wallace is "the guy" there and a lot of people are starting to believe has has superstar ability. I don't see anything Dallas has short of Dirk Nowitzki that could pry Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats.

Josh wants out of Dallas supposedly and the Bobcats would love to bring home a Carolina native son for marketing purposes. That's been the proposed trade.

[Findog]

And Wallace is better than Josh, but not by much. If this is about a change of scenery or off the court considerations, it's pretty close to equal value.

[monosylab1k]

And Wallace is better than Josh, but not by much. If this is about a change of scenery or off the court considerations, it's pretty close to equal value.
Actually their numbers are pretty comparable, in fact Josh's are better in a lot of areas that I didn't expect, like rebounding. And Hollinger doesn't have good things to say about Wallace's defense. It seems he's a big steal/block guy but really can't play straight up defense at all.

I really don't see why we should have to "sweeten the deal" any. Josh for Gerald straight up is a bigger risk for us than for the Bobcats.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Actually their numbers are pretty comparable, in fact Josh's are better in a lot of areas that I didn't expect, like rebounding. And Hollinger doesn't have good things to say about Wallace's defense. It seems he's a big steal/block guy but really can't play straight up defense at all.

I really don't see why we should have to "sweeten the deal" any. Josh for Gerald straight up is a bigger risk for us than for the Bobcats.

Wow that's suprsing to me because Wallace looks like a straight up nasty, intense defensive player to me. Well, I guess looks can be deceiving...

[JamStone]

Gerald Wallace is younger and cheaper, bigger, taller, stronger and plays elite level defense. Wallace is definitely better, and it's more than just a little bit better. Better bargain. While bringing him home to Carolina could be a factor, it would be more of a factor if all other things were equal. Plus, they already have native sons on that team. They could always sign Jay Williams. At this point, the Bobcats need to make changes or additions to the point guard position and in the front court. Changing swingmen isn't a primary concern for that team. I think they like J-Rich and Gerald Wallace as their starting wing players.

[JamStone]

Actually their numbers are pretty comparable, in fact Josh's are better in a lot of areas that I didn't expect, like rebounding. And Hollinger doesn't have good things to say about Wallace's defense. It seems he's a big steal/block guy but really can't play straight up defense at all.

I really don't see why we should have to "sweeten the deal" any. Josh for Gerald straight up is a bigger risk for us than for the Bobcats.


Gerald Wallace's rebounding numbers dipped this year as he was asked to play more on the perimeter. I still think his defense is at an elite level. He does as good a job as anyone on the bigger, stronger small forwards like LeBron James and Paul Pierce.

I don't see how it's a bigger risk for the Bobcats. Again, Wallace is younger and cheaper as well as overall a better player.

[monosylab1k]

Gerald Wallace is younger and cheaper, bigger, taller, stronger and plays elite level defense.
well actually Wallace is listed at 6-7, 215 while Howard is 6-7, 210. Wallace is 25 while Howard is 27 so age isn't a huge difference. Howard's also making only $2 million more per season, it's not some huge difference there either. And not saying he's the ultimate expert, but Hollinger disagrees about Wallace's defense.

I don't think Wallace is as superior a player to Howard as you're saying, but I can see why the Bobcats might rather have Gerald.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Gerald Wallace is younger and cheaper, bigger, taller, stronger and plays elite level defense. Wallace is definitely better, and it's more than just a little bit better. Better bargain. While bringing him home to Carolina could be a factor, it would be more of a factor if all other things were equal. Plus, they already have native sons on that team. They could always sign Jay Williams. At this point, the Bobcats need to make changes or additions to the point guard position and in the front court. Changing swingmen isn't a primary concern for that team. I think they like J-Rich and Gerald Wallace as their starting wing players.

I don't think Gerald Wallace is THAT much better of a player than Josh Howard. But it is some of his qualities we need on the team, he has a good shot selection, he attacks the rim fearlessly, he's athletic and he's not going to back down defensively.

[Findog]

Gerald Wallace is younger and cheaper, bigger, taller, stronger and plays elite level defense. Wallace is definitely better, and it's more than just a little bit better. Better bargain. While bringing him home to Carolina could be a factor, it would be more of a factor if all other things were equal. Plus, they already have native sons on that team. They could always sign Jay Williams. At this point, the Bobcats need to make changes or additions to the point guard position and in the front court. Changing swingmen isn't a primary concern for that team. I think they like J-Rich and Gerald Wallace as their starting wing players.


Wallace is two years younger, cheaper but not by much, he has a couple inches and about 20 lbs on Josh, scores like 1 or 2 points more per game, gets two more assists per game, a couple more steals. Josh rebounds more and shoots a better FG% behind and in front of the arc. There's not a huge gulf between them, if anything, the age factor is the bulk of what makes Wallace more desirable.

[monosylab1k]

he has a couple inches and about 20 lbs on Josh.
NBA.com and ESPN.com have different numbers on Josh. One says 6-5 while the other says 6-7. I've always seen him listed at 6-7 so what's the deal there?

every site i'm searching says he's 6-7, except for NBA.com

[JamStone]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements?year=All&sort2=ASC&draft=100&sort=

Player - height without shoes / height with shoes

Josh Howard - 2003 6' 5.25" / 6' 6.5"

Always thought of Howard around 6-6 and they added an inch because he was primarily playing small forward. But, just like most players in the league, his height has been rounded up "with" shoes.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Josh wants out of Dallas supposedly and the Bobcats would love to bring home a Carolina native son for marketing purposes. That's been the proposed trade.


does Josh want out of Dallas so he can be "The Man" a la' Shawn Marion?

[Findog]

Wake Forest lists him at 6'6.

[Findog]

does Josh want out of Dallas so he can be "The Man" a la' Shawn Marion?

Supposedly has something to do with Mark Cuban. Josh isn't an idiot like Marion.

[JamStone]

Wallace is two years younger, cheaper but not by much, he has a couple inches and about 20 lbs on Josh, scores like 1 or 2 points more per game, gets two more assists per game, a couple more steals. Josh rebounds more and shoots a better FG% behind and in front of the arc. There's not a huge gulf between them, if anything, the age factor is the bulk of what makes Wallace more desirable.

Josh Howard rebounds more this season. Gerald Wallace is a very solid rebounder whose rebounding numbers dipped this year, plus he plays with a guy that is pretty much an automatic 11 rebound a game guy in Okafor. Josh is definitely the better shooter as Gerald Wallace has worked to improve his shooting, but career wise inside the arc, Gerald Wallace is a .478 FG shooter while Josh is a career .461 FG shooter.

I wouldn't say there's a huge gulf between the two. But, I certainly think there's enough so that a straight up trade player for player between the two would not be a good trade for the Bobcats.

[monosylab1k]

Not saying intangibles of this sort mean a ton, but you can factor in that Josh Howard has been a key contributor to a team that went to the NBA Finals, while Gerald Wallace has always contributed to a team that's merely trying to be the least shitty team in the NBA.

[JamStone]

Yeah, I hear you. I'm just giving you my opinion and one that is likely closer to how the Bobcats would feel about such a proposed trade.

[Findog]

I like Wallace, but the Mavs are basically getting Josh Howard with a spoiler and a sunroof if they trade for him. They're much better off using him to get a low-post scorer.

[monosylab1k]

I like Wallace, but the Mavs are basically getting Josh Howard with a spoiler and a sunroof if they trade for him. They're much better off using him to get a low-post scorer.
Yeah but who? Eddy Curry has been mentioned but nobody seems to be too keen on him, which makes me wonder just how serious Mavs fans are about getting a low post scorer.

I just think Wallace's offensive skills mesh better with Kidd, that's why I'd like him.

[Findog]

Yeah but who? Eddy Curry has been mentioned but nobody seems to be too keen on him, which makes me wonder just how serious Mavs fans are about getting a low post scorer.

I just think Wallace's offensive skills mesh better with Kidd, that's why I'd like him.

I'll take Eddy Curry as long as they get another C to play defense for 15-20 mpg. Curry is charmin' soft on one end of the floor.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Yo this is for all the people who call dirk soft:

Dirk's day-to-day
3:16 PM Tue, Apr 01, 2008 |
Tim MacMahon
Big Ed Sefko reports that Dirk worked out with other players for about 45 minutes today. The reigning MVP is now listed as day-to-day.

Pure speculation here, but I'll be surprised if Dirk (left high ankle and knee sprains) doesn't suit up and try to gut it out when the Warriors come to town tomorrow night.

UPDATE: A news release from the Mavs confirms Dirk's day-to-day status and also lists Jerry Stackhouse (groin) as day-to-day.

[Findog]

Aren't we all day-to-day?

Wackity Schmackity Doo.

Thanks, I'll be here all week folks.

[monosylab1k]

If Dirk can pull off this epic Willis Reed maneuver, I'd hope that the team will respond accordingly.

[Findog]

If Dirk can pull off this epic Willis Reed maneuver, I'd hope that the team will respond accordingly.

I would gladly pass on the opportunity to draft Kevin Love if we could knock the Warriors out of the playoffs. Fuck them.

[mavs>spurs2]

Is Isiah Thomas stupid enough to have us sign shawn bradley to a one year contract and trade him for Curry straight up?

[The Nba Is Rigged]

I would gladly pass on the opportunity to draft Kevin Love if we could knock the Warriors out of the playoffs. Fuck them.

:toast

[Findog]

:toast

I love how GSOM calls out Mavs fans as "soft" just like the team because we don't shell out $75 for We Believe t-shirts. Yeah, I'm a "soft" fan because I can't afford $150 for lower-bowl seats to sit with the cocaine and boob job crowd. I'm "soft" because I stuck through my team during the awful nineties. If the Warriors can ever get their collective asses together enough to string together 8 straight 50+ win seasons, we'll see how hungry their fans are. None of these cockroaches were anywhere to be found during the illustrious Mike Montgomery era.

Fuck You Warrior Nation Bangwagoners. Can you even name who Baron Davis used to play for?

[clambake]

I would gladly pass on the opportunity to draft Kevin Love if we could knock the Warriors out of the playoffs. Fuck them.
the warriors have already won the mental game, and nellie's going to show up to square-off against avery.

i don't like our chances.

[Findog]

the warriors have already won the mental game, and nellie's going to show up to square-off against avery.

i don't like our chances.

If Dirk plays, we win tomorrow night. I'll make a sig bet with anybody willing to take me on.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

I love how GSOM calls out Mavs fans as "soft" just like the team because we don't shell out $75 for We Believe t-shirts. Yeah, I'm a "soft" fan because I can't afford $150 for lower-bowl seats to sit with the cocaine and boob job crowd. I'm "soft" because I stuck through my team during the awful nineties. If the Warriors can ever get their collective asses together enough to string together 8 straight 50+ win seasons, we'll see how hungry their fans are. None of these cockroaches were anywhere to be round during the illustrious Mike Montgomery era.

Fuck You Warrior Nation Bangwagoners.

Once again :toast , but on a serious note I agree with everything you are saying. Let's just hope that The Spurs can help us out tonight and somehow we can beat those fools tommorow. Maybe that can be enough to knock them out of the playoffs. Then we'll see who's "soft" :ihit

[mavs>spurs2]

If Dirk plays, we win tomorrow night. I'll make a sig bet with anybody willing to take me on.

I'd take that bet, but what'd be the point? I like you as a poster, and what would I even have you put in the sig? Mavs suck? I already know this is the case as of late. Besides they're still my team and I at least want to root for them even if we lose, which I think is the likely scenario.

[Findog]

I'd take that bet, but what'd be the point? I like you as a poster, and what would I even have you put in the sig? Mavs suck? I already know this is the case as of late. Besides they're still my team and I at least want to root for them even if we lose, which I think is the likely scenario.

It was more of a challenge to other teams fans.

[mavs>spurs2]

It was more of a challenge to other teams fans.

I hope to God we win this game, I hate those Golden State fuckers. SJax's big ass nose, the smug look on their faces after they hit a 3 pointer, and the fact that deep down Nellie probably still has a boner over last year's first round upset. It's just that as of late i've been shown no reason not to fear the worst.

[clambake]

we'd be beating a team with a winning record. a team that mentally crushes the mavs. their coach sucker punches our coach with his knowledge of OUR team.

why will this change tomorrow?

[mavs>spurs2]

we'd be beating a team with a winning record. a team that mentally crushes the mavs. their coach sucker punches our coach with his knowledge of OUR team.

why will this change tomorrow?

It probably won't, but God Steven Jackson has a big ass nose.

[Findog]

we'd be beating a team with a winning record. a team that mentally crushes the mavs. their coach sucker punches our coach with his knowledge of OUR team.

why will this change tomorrow?

What happened the first two times they met this year? That mental edge is gone, Dirk was missing on Sunday night. We lost to them last year because of Dirk's bone spurs and Damp's torn rotator cuff. If Dirk plays tomorrow night, we win. They play tonight in San Antonio and we get a day off.

[clambake]

What happened the first two times they met this year? That mental edge is gone, Dirk was missing on Sunday night. We lost to them last year because of Dirk's bone spurs and Damp's torn rotator cuff. If Dirk plays tomorrow night, we win. They play tonight in San Antonio and we get a day off.
ok. two chinese fire drills without a day off might do it. i hope you're right.

[Shank]

I'd like to echo Mono's fucking of all things Golden State. Fuck, fuck, fuck them in the nose.

[Cashville]

Gerald Wallace is younger and cheaper, bigger, taller, stronger and plays elite level defense. Wallace is definitely better, and it's more than just a little bit better. Better bargain. While bringing him home to Carolina could be a factor, it would be more of a factor if all other things were equal. Plus, they already have native sons on that team. They could always sign Jay Williams. At this point, the Bobcats need to make changes or additions to the point guard position and in the front court. Changing swingmen isn't a primary concern for that team. I think they like J-Rich and Gerald Wallace as their starting wing players.

Yes G-Force is younger, but that's where it stops. Howard is the much better player, he's a top 5 SF.

Howard scores more ( as a second option), rebounds more (with wallace playing alot of PF on a poor rebounding team), and shoots a better percentage (from the field, free throw line, and behind the arc), while playing less minutes. Wallace dishes out one more assist but he also turns the ball over at a much higher rate.

Howard has the higher PER.... His Per differential vs opposing SF is higher then Wallace' (factors defense).

Howard is the better, more versatile defender. Gerald's a gambler, his defensive IQ is very low, takes too many risks. Howard has shown he can guard three positions very well (PG, SG, SF).

Offensively, Howard is a legit second option on a championship level team. He can score in many ways (post, perimeter iso's, off the dribble etc). Gerald has no jumpshot, most of his baskets come from him recklessly attacking the basket (which leads to injuries). Now, that type of player would be ideal for the Mavs, but like Josh Howard, Gerald's bball IQ is quite low (lower then Howard's). Watch a bobcats game, see how many forced jumpshot's he takes. The problem with him taking those shots is the fact that HE CANT SHOOT. Gerald's also a black hole, whose a ball stopper. We have played our best offensive basketball while he has been out, there's more movement, more unselfishness. He also rarely moves without the ball, he just stands around.

He's also injury prone, can never stay healthy. His recklessness makes him special but it also leads to a ton of his injuries.

We'll give you Gerald Wallace. MJ will happily take Josh. We've been needing a player who could create his own offense.

btw both guys are 6'7. Gerald's stronger though.

[Cashville]

And honestly, I would rather keep Terry than Howard. At least he has shown that he is capable of making plays in the 4th and crunch time. Howard has never really shown that ability. And I like Terry coming off the bench. I think a coaching change would help Terry too. I think he is getting sick of Avery barking at him so much that he just doesn't care that much any more. Del Harris would definitely be nice.
Except for this week....why is that? Since Dirk's injury he has been having HUGE 3rd and fourth quarters. In Golden State it seems as though he and Bass were the only one's who scored in the fourth. Last night he carried yall to victory. Did it on Tuesday too. He has the ability to do it without Dirk, why cant he do it with Dirk? It's easier.

imo it's Avery. Watching previous games I rarely saw Howard getting plays called for him in the fourth (this week, he had a ton of post up iso's). Avery however loves giving the ball to Terry and Stackhouse in the fourth quarter....

[clambake]

well, wallace is much better than the strange love going around for magette.

[mavs>spurs2]

Strange love? Have you checked the man's numbers lately?

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Any chance we can get Michael Redd?

[monosylab1k]

Any chance we can get Michael Redd?
in my wet dreams.

maybe in real life too, i have no idea.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

in my wet dreams.

maybe in real life too, i have no idea.

I was wondering who they might want for him?

[monosylab1k]

So what are some realistic options for dumping our dead weight?

Josh Howard
Jason Terry
Jerry Stackhouse
Erick Dampier

I'd love to see all 4 of these assholes leave town, but are there any realistic ways to make it happen?

[Indazone]

They will trade Jason Kidd for another number 2 round draft pick and a huge pile of...


http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.worldofsoil.co.uk/blogger/uploaded_images/oh_shit-759720.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFJaDk0_TJrnU1ajb3LEMVKBekqqQ

[Findog]

So what are some realistic options for dumping our dead weight?

Josh Howard
Jason Terry
Jerry Stackhouse
Erick Dampier

I'd love to see all 4 of these assholes leave town, but are there any realistic ways to make it happen?


Howard will still have a lot of value, and he's our most tradeable asset. Teams will see a guy who has lots of playoff experience and was the #2 option on an elite team. It appears that most of his current problems production-wise stem from a deficit of heart and effort and a surplus of me-first attitude. Trust me, lots of teams would love to have Josh and probably figure a change of scenery is what he needs most. For whatever reason, he's quit on this franchise. And I'll call it first: He'll go somewhere and be gangbusters, and the Mavs will be criticized for trading him away, when it's clear that he needs to go.

Kidd has an expiring contract. To the extent that that trade was a mistake, you can easily get rid of him. If not, he comes off the books. Dampier is a big that can defend. I'm not saying he has a lot of value, but he's not totally unmovable. Jet can be a useful player, but he has an absolutely awful contract, not so much the amount per year, but I believe it runs for another 4 after this one. Him and Stack you're going to have to take a bad contract back to get rid of them. You might get a useful player, but it won't be a good financial value. Other teams are not going to give us gold for our trash.

[monosylab1k]

If a post player is what we need, we've got 2 options this offseason - Eddy Curry or Elton Brand.

Curry will be easier to get just because everybody hates him and he's fat & lazy, but he's also a great post player. Brand will obviously be much tougher, and he still has to opt out, but maybe a S&T with the Clippers is possible.

[monosylab1k]

Would the Clippers consider a Josh/Bass/Stack for Brand/filler deal? Would Mavs fans?

[clambake]

why would the clippers make that trade?

[stretch]

Would the Clippers consider a Josh/Bass/Stack for Brand/filler deal? Would Mavs fans?

At first glance, I would say there is no way they would do that. But since Brand was hurt for the whole season, that actually might be somewhat possible... but we still need to throw in something else to sweeten it up...

[Findog]

If a post player is what we need, we've got 2 options this offseason - Eddy Curry or Elton Brand.

Curry will be easier to get just because everybody hates him and he's fat & lazy, but he's also a great post player. Brand will obviously be much tougher, and he still has to opt out, but maybe a S&T with the Clippers is possible.

After reading the NY Mag article about Isiah, I want no part of Eddy Curry. I know we badly, badly need post scoring, but I want no part of Eddy Curry. You can criticize me for poo-pooing solutions, but I want no part of Eddy Curry.

[monosylab1k]

why would the clippers make that trade?

Solid SF to replace Maggette after he ops out, and a young PF to replace Brand.

[Findog]

Brand would be opting out of a contract that pays him around $15 million a year. I have no idea what kind of scenario would get him in a Mavs uniform, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm not trying to be cynical or shit on solutions, I just don't think Brand to Dallas is realistic. Mavs don't have a lot of leeway and options to get better. Keep in mind the Celtics had the #5 pick, Al Jefferson, Wally and a bunch of kids as their trading chips. Mavs have Josh and Bass and Kidd's expiring, that's pretty much it.

[monosylab1k]

If there was a way to get Garnett & Allen in Boston for bullshit, and then put Gasol in LA for bullshit, there's a way to get Elton Brand in Dallas for something better than bullshit. I realize Fuehrer Stern played a role in the first 2 deals, but I know we can get Brand if we really want him.

[monosylab1k]

Brand did spend the entire year on the DL, he's approaching 30, and I don't think he's ever been as highly regarded as Kevin Garnett. I think it could definitely happen.

[Findog]

Brand did spend the entire year on the DL, he's approaching 30, and I don't think he's ever been as highly regarded as Kevin Garnett. I think it could definitely happen.

Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?

[Indazone]

Mav's need a really good post player. Their main 7 footer plays out on the wing.

[clambake]

If there was a way to get Garnett & Allen in Boston for bullshit, and then put Gasol in LA for bullshit, there's a way to get Elton Brand in Dallas for something better than bullshit. I realize Fuehrer Stern played a role in the first 2 deals, but I know we can get Brand if we really want him.

yeah, but those deals were absolute collusion. i haven't heard of any bonds like that between sterling and cuban.

[stretch]

Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?

???

Brand obviously...

[Indazone]

Elton Brand would really help the Mav's out. They also need a younger faster ball handler than Kidd.

[monosylab1k]

Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?

I don't care, throw either one of them at that position. We haven't had a decent center since the James Donaldson years, and we won't have one next year, so we might as well go small.

[stretch]

geez, could you imagine a core of Dirk, Brand, and Kidd? that would be quite nice. just need some shooters, and we are good, which is why I would want to keep Terry.

[monosylab1k]

???

Brand obviously...

Brand is only 6-8 but he has the ability to at least protect the rim. He can't do any worse than Dampier. He might actually prevent Tyson Chandler from getting a half dozen alley-oops a game.

[Findog]

???

Brand obviously...

He's 6'8. Hey, I'm not saying it wouldn't make the Mavs better, just might not make them champions.

Dallas was really lucky to be able to retool on the fly when Nash left and stay an elite team. I don't think that's possible this time. A lot is going to depend on what they can get this summer, because it's obvious to me that Dirk is the only guy who should stay unless you get completely bowled over with an offer for him. Bass is a promising young player, but takes too long to explain here, they might have trouble resigning him next year due to his early Bird rights, etc. They could easily get outbid for Bass since they can only offer him so much under the cap. Bass is a valuable asset. Might be best to move him now than let him walk for nothing.

[Indazone]

If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.

[monosylab1k]

He's 6'8. Hey, I'm not saying it wouldn't make the Mavs better, just might not make them champions.

An enthused Dirk is, despite his reputation, a solid defender. Get someone who truly defends the rim like Brand down in there with him, and I don't see how our post defense is any worse than it is right now, even as undersized as they would be. It's probably somewhat better.

[monosylab1k]

If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.

Honestly, I would consider it. I'm Kidd's biggest defender on here but Mobley is fearless and Kaman gives us a whole hell of a lot.

[stretch]

Brand is only 6-8 but he has the ability to at least protect the rim. He can't do any worse than Dampier. He might actually prevent Tyson Chandler from getting a half dozen alley-oops a game.

his long arms, strength, and defensive IQ more than make up for his lack of height.

[Findog]

If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. Clippers wouldn't.

[Indazone]

No you gotta add more to the pot for the Clippers to do that. Howard is good and Kidd has a rep. But...if you throw in another player they might do it.

[mavsfan1000]

Honestly, I would consider it. I'm Kidd's biggest defender on here but Mobley is fearless and Kaman gives us a whole hell of a lot.
Kaman is a nice player but Mobley sucks. Kidd for Kaman and I would do it.

[Indazone]

Mobely is fast, he can hit the three. He's athletic enough to drive and get to the hole. Pair him up with Jason Terry and voila' now you got yourselves a backcourt.

[mavsfan1000]

Mobely is fast, he can hit the three. He's athletic enough to drive and get to the hole. Pair him up with Jason Terry and voila' now you got yourselves a backcourt.
Neither can defend or slash. No thanks.

[Findog]

Neither can defend or slash. No thanks.

Neither can Josh Howard.

[mavsfan1000]

Neither can Josh Howard.
Not with Kidd as point guard. Harris gave Howard many slashing opportunities. Maybe Howard just doesn't like Kidd.

[remingtonbo2001]

An enthused Dirk is, despite his reputation, a solid defender. Get someone who truly defends the rim like Brand down in there with him, and I don't see how our post defense is any worse than it is right now, even as undersized as they would be. It's probably somewhat better.

Dirk would be a pretty intimidating and versatile help defender, if you can find a stalwart low post defender, something I'm not sure Dallas has ever had.

[Findog]

Marcus Camby? Nuggets are in a big financial crunch themselves, and might want to dump payroll. Don't know how to make it work. Would probably have to get a third team involved.

[Findog]

Not with Kidd as point guard. Harris gave Howard many slashing opportunities. Maybe Howard just doesn't like Kidd.

Howard's a big fucking baby making $9 million a year. If trading his best bud to NJ causes him to go into a funk and cradle his bong, then let's ship his ass up there for Richard Jefferson.

[confined]

No no no here's what we have to do

Howard needs to be traded for T-mac, which i think is pretty realistic
Gilbert Arenas needs to be signed because i don't think he really believes he has a role with the Wiz anymore
and Avery needs to be replaced by Jeff Van Gundy

Dirk, Kidd, T-mac, Arenas, Terry, Van Gundy

That would be a BADASS screeensaver:toast

[Findog]

^ NO NO NO NO NO NO to Arenas.

No way the rest can work due to basic trading principles and the cap ramifications.

[confined]

^ NO NO NO NO NO NO to Arenas.

No way the rest can work due to basic trading principles and the cap ramifications.

well there really is only one trade going on here, and im just we could make it work for T-mac by throwing in howard and any other scrub they want.

as for arenas, he's 10x better than that asshole we call our sixth man

[Findog]

I think it should be abundantly clear by now why teams that want to win should steer clear of Arenas.

Arenas is infinitely more talented than JET, but I'll take JET over him easy.

[monosylab1k]

Howard needs to be traded for T-mac, which i think is pretty realistic



:lmao WHAT?????


Gilbert Arenas needs to be signed because i don't think he really believes he has a role with the Wiz anymore

I wouldn't mind Arenas but how exactly do we plan to sign him? With the midlevel exception??? :lmao


and Avery needs to be replaced by Jeff Van Gundy

Kill me with death if that happens. I'd rather Cuban coach the team.

[Amare_32]

Drowning in his postseason failure with Nash.

[Findog]

Kill me with death if that happens. I'd rather Cuban coach the team.

That might be entertaining. Hey, if we're going to be a laughingstock side show, might as well.

[Findog]

Dallas needs a post scorer, backup center and a legit 2 guard. They only things they have with which to accomplish this are the MLE, Brandon Bass and Josh Howard. Antoine Wright can definitely do all of the "dirty work" type stuff Josh is too good to do now, so you can probably turn Josh into a legit 2-guard. The MLE might get you a backup center that can defend. But that still leaves you short of postscoring. Bottom line, you have to get points from your shooting guard and your center, and this team hasn't gotten that.

[Indazone]

Originally Posted by confined

Howard needs to be traded for T-mac, which i think is pretty realistic

WHAT?????


Originally Posted by confined

Gilbert Arenas needs to be signed because i don't think he really believes he has a role with the Wiz anymore
I wouldn't mind Arenas but how exactly do we plan to sign him? With the midlevel exception???


Originally Posted by confined

and Avery needs to be replaced by Jeff Van Gundy
Kill me with death if that happens. I'd rather Cuban coach the team..


LMAO that is the funniest post in a long time. First the unrealistic trades from confined and then the total smackdown from Monosylab1k. True comedy.

The one guy that you might be able to get because he's gonna opt out next year is Ron Artest. You put Ron Artest on the Mav's and you got yourself a playoff championship contender.

[Findog]

LMAO that is the funniest post in a long time. First the unrealistic trades from confined and then the total smackdown from Monosylab1k. True comedy.

The one guy that you might be able to get because he's gonna opt out next year is Ron Artest. You put Ron Artest on the Mav's and you got yourself a playoff championship contender.

Yeah, I would love to pair up Dirk and T-Mac, but Josh isn't the elixir to do it. I'm sure the Rox figure that the team they have now + a healthy Yao is probably enough to make a long run in the playoffs.

I agree Artest is probably the Mavs best shot to do something next year, since his value is not very high because of his career instability.

[monosylab1k]

While we probably can't get Gerald Wallace for Smokey, what about Jason Richardson? I've heard rumors that they weren't real happy with his game there last season, didn't mesh well with the others or whatever, so maybe that could work out?

[The Nba Is Rigged]

While we probably can't get Gerald Wallace for Smokey, what about Jason Richardson? I've heard rumors that they weren't real happy with his game there last season, didn't mesh well with the others or whatever, so maybe that could work out?

J-rich or Joe Johnson would be awesome for our team, they would be pretty hard to get though. If you really think about it we haven't had a good Sg since fin left, Stack is too streaky, Quis was always high, And Jet is too small.

[monosylab1k]

No point in trying to trade Smokey this offseason, that piece of shit sucks so much dick.

[monosylab1k]

Looks like we're gonna decline into suckage like the Kings. At least we lasted longer than those faggots.

[Roxsfan]

Dallas needs a post scorer, backup center and a legit 2 guard. They only things they have with which to accomplish this are the MLE, Brandon Bass and Josh Howard. Antoine Wright can definitely do all of the "dirty work" type stuff Josh is too good to do now, so you can probably turn Josh into a legit 2-guard. The MLE might get you a backup center that can defend. But that still leaves you short of postscoring. Bottom line, you have to get points from your shooting guard and your center, and this team hasn't gotten that.

I think you got this a bit mixed up here.....

you need a center, you already have a backup 5--Erica Dampier:lmao

[Findog]

No point in trying to trade Smokey this offseason, that piece of shit sucks so much dick.

He still has a lot of trade value. I'm just glad he'll be gone soon. Of course he'll revitalize his career elsewhere and the Mavs will be criticized for trading him away, but the fact of the matter is that he quit on this franchise a long time ago and has been mailing it for a while now. He's become another set-shot Michael Finley instead of the "next Scottie Pippen."

[Findog]

I think you got this a bit mixed up here.....

you need a center, you already have a backup 5--Erica Dampier:lmao

He's not that bad.

[monosylab1k]

He still has a lot of trade value. I'm just glad he'll be gone soon. Of course he'll revitalize his career elsewhere and the Mavs will be criticized for trading him away, but the fact of the matter is that he quit on this franchise a long time ago and has been mailing it for a while now. He's become another set-shot Michael Finley instead of the "next Scottie Pippen."

I don't see how he has much trade value at all now. He's making an ass of himself in front of the whole nation, on and off the court.

I figured that with the Bobcats somewhat wanting to dump off J-Rich's contract, maybe we could have something there, but there's no way in hell they make any trade for Smokey.

When Smokey is finally out of here, it will be for 25 cents on the dollar.

[Findog]

I don't see how he has much trade value at all now. He's making an ass of himself in front of the whole nation, on and off the court.

I figured that with the Bobcats somewhat wanting to dump off J-Rich's contract, maybe we could have something there, but there's no way in hell they make any trade for Smokey.

When Smokey is finally out of here, it will be for 25 cents on the dollar.

He's from NC and I bet the Bobcats would love to have him. The whole weed thing is nothing new, volunteering to talk about it during a playoff series is, but most team executives take the long view.

[dav4463]

I still say Cuban sells the team. The new owner says that Dallas is too close to OKC, so he moves the team to Seattle.

[demosthenes247]

I still say Cuban sells the team. The new owner says that Dallas is too close to OKC, so he moves the team to Seattle.

Haha, as long as that meant that mean we could adopt the Spurs? :lol

From a recent Simmons article (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020227):
19. Once you choose a team, you're stuck with that team for the rest of your life ... unless one of the following conditions applies:

Your team moves to another city. All bets are off when that happens. In fact, if you decided to turn off that sport entirely, nobody would blame you.

[Indazone]

HAHA

Mark Cuban should hire Avery to a lifetime contract. Yes all Rockets and Spurs fans would appreciate that ;)

[monosylab1k]

I thought that Dirk/Kidd deserved another shot, but I've changed my mind.

http://images.allposters.com/images/2/posters/po7029.jpg

It's time.

[monosylab1k]

Dirk to Miami for their 1st round pick?

I think Miami would consider it. A trio of Dirk/Wade/Marion is a playoff team in the East.

[u2sarajevo]

It's not time to "press the button". But a few cruise missiles will be needed.

It's pretty obvious Toke doesn't want to be here anymore. I know he isn't regarded as smart but he has been mailing it in since Devin was traded. How much value does he have left? I doubt it's much at all. Do any of you think in a new setting he will actually figure out that a game is more than 2 periods?

Kill me now.

Avery is gone for sure too. This team is a mess. A total mess.

I was on board with the Kidd trade but I would like to reverse my endorsement. I want our young, quick, flopping PG back.

[monosylab1k]

We can rebuild with Beasley or Rose. We'll likely have another high lottery pick the next season as well. We can still dump Kidd & Smokey for additional draft picks/expiring contracts too. Maybe we can get out of salary cap hell and make an offer to Kevin Durant once his rookie contract is up. There's no way he wants to play in OKC.

What's funny is for about 5 seconds I actually thought the above paragraph could happen.

[sribb43]

He's from NC and I bet the Bobcats would love to have him. The whole weed thing is nothing new, volunteering to talk about it during a playoff series is, but most team executives take the long view.

Also J-Ho is under the "Jordan Brand" so add that to his NC ties and pefect fit....J-ho 4 J-Rich

[u2sarajevo]

Dirk to Miami for their 1st round pick?

I think Miami would consider it. A trio of Dirk/Wade/Marion is a playoff team in the East.If we were under the cap we could trade Josh for a pick. But at this point it would probably be a 2nd rounder at best. I know you get down on Dirk easily but he's the only consistent thing we have going for us right now.

[sribb43]

I thought that Dirk/Kidd deserved another shot, but I've changed my mind.

http://images.allposters.com/images/2/posters/po7029.jpg

It's time.

they desevere another shot with a compitent coach, not one that should be coaching High School ball in Class A

[u2sarajevo]

they desevere another shot with a compitent coach, not one that should be coaching High School ball in Class ATruth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.

[monosylab1k]

Truth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.

I know most people hate the way Kobe acts, but for all his whining and threatening to leave and prima donna behavior, he got exactly what he wanted. Now he's about to win another title.

Dirk needs to be less of a team guy and start making more demands.

[monosylab1k]

I think Cuban needs to do everything he can to dump off all contracts by the time Durant becomes a free agent, and then blow him away with an offer. Or offer to blow him. Whatever gets him to sign with the Mavs.

[u2sarajevo]

I know most people hate the way Kobe acts, but for all his whining and threatening to leave and prima donna behavior, he got exactly what he wanted. Now he's about to win another title.

Dirk needs to be less of a team guy and start making more demands.Unfortunately I think the closest we will get to that is when Dirk was calling out Dampier in the year after Nash was traded during the playoffs.

Euro's need to start taking charge, I think. Become selfish. The great ones have proven thats what is needed to improve your team. If you are the best on your team, make it your team don't just sit back and accept what the front office force feeds you.

Although I think Dirk was on board with Kidd. But I've seen no proof that Dirk was asking for the trade to occur.

[Findog]

Truth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.


It was never on the table. Kobe did not whine like a bitch to get out of LA so he could come here and play with Josh Howard and Jason Terry. He wanted to play with Dirk.

[monosylab1k]

This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

Make Gasol type bullshit trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the fucking kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that shithole OKC.

You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.

[LazinessThievery]

Although I think Dirk was on board with Kidd. But I've seen no proof that Dirk was asking for the trade to occur.

Just curious, what do all the pro-Kidd-trade guys and gals on "dallas-mavs.com" think of the deal now? I remember how virulently supportive they were of the trade.

[Fillmoe]

fire avery... trade j kidd.. trade josh howard and his bags of weed

[Findog]

Just curious, what do all the pro-Kidd-trade guys and gals on "dallas-mavs.com" think of the deal now? I remember how virulently supportive they were of the trade.

What do you care, Suns fan? Your team is done too.

[j-6]

This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

Make Gasol type bullshit trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the fucking kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that shithole OKC.

You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.

I really like this scenario. Email it to Cuban. That would be an interesting lineup - a true crafty vet with gas in the tank with future Dirk, a star in Durant, and three solid caddies.

But don't you feel close now? The reigning (as of today) MVP, a Hall of Fame point, an All-Star caliber talent with a big mouth, and an emerging potential starter in Bass? Two years removed from the Finals?

I think you need to stop tinkering and let the guys you got do their thing, but if not, chasing Durant is a great idea.

[monosylab1k]

Donnie Nelson was just on with the Ticket in Dallas. Here's a few points he made.

1. They won't promote anybody from within the organization to head coach.
2. They absolutely won't hire a college coach (meaning no Coach K or Tom Izzo)
3. Nobody on the team is "untouchable" meaning Dirk could be traded, but...
4. They still want to build around the "Big 3" of Dirk, Kidd, and Howard.

The only one that really sounds like BS is #4, and only partially. There's no doubt Howard is outta here.

[Reggie Miller]

This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

Make Gasol type bullshit trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the fucking kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that shithole OKC.

You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.


I would make one major change; otherwise, I like your overall approach. The Mavs really need, and have always needed, a center who could carry the scoring load. If the Mavs had someone with a legitimate low post game that demanded the attention of a defensive big, this would have an immediate impact. It would open up Dirk's game and relieve a lot of the scoring burden on him. It would also allow Dirk to operate in the elbow area where he is most effective. His deficiencies in post defense sort of become moot, as well.

Your plan is feasible and realistic. My plan is problematic in that above-average centers aren't exactly easy to find. This is what aggravates me about some Spurs fans. Yes, you have a great organization, and it sets the right tone/attitude. Yes, you have some of the most exciting and dynamic guards in the league. Yes, your players know how to stay out of the police blotter. And all that would mean diddley squat without Tim Duncan. Having a big with a true big man's skill set in all facets of the game is irreplacable.

As I have said here before too many times, Pacers fans used to rag on Rik Smits. Hell, he would be an MVP candidate in today's league.

[Red Hawk #21]

Donnie Nelson was just on with the Ticket in Dallas. Here's a few points he made.

1. They won't promote anybody from within the organization to head coach.
2. They absolutely won't hire a college coach (meaning no Coach K or Tom Izzo)
3. Nobody on the team is "untouchable" meaning Dirk could be traded, but...
4. They still want to build around the "Big 3" of Dirk, Kidd, and Howard.

The only one that really sounds like BS is #4, and only partially. There's no doubt Howard is outta here.

They should make Del Harris or Paul Westphal the coach imo, but if they are determined to get a coach from outside the organization they should check on Rudy Tomjanovich.

If Howard is brought back Mavs fans should riot. Simple as that.

[Findog]

If only Dirk had slapped West's hands away....we'd be worrying about the Spurs right now. Slapping West's hands away is the best defense against Chris Paul on the p'n'r.

[monosylab1k]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/050208dnspomavscoach.3935159.html

Van Gundy is out. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sources: Ex-Pacers, Pistons coach Carlisle interviews for Mavs' job
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Updated: May 3, 2008, 12:38 AM ET

Former Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons coach Rick Carlisle was the first person to interview for the Dallas Mavericks' coaching vacancy, meeting Thursday with Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson, according to NBA front-office sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Mavs owner Mark Cuban was not scheduled to participate in Carlisle's first interview for the job.

ESPN.com reported Thursday that Nelson was Cuban's first choice to succeed Avery Johnson as coach, but club sources say that Nelson does not want to leave his personnel post and that Cuban will not try to force Nelson to reconsider. In an interview Thursday with ESPN Radio's Dallas affiliate [KESN 103.3 FM], Nelson did not dispute the idea that the job would already be his if he wanted it but also insisted, "I think there's better candidates out there."

Sources say Dallas also has an interest in interviewing Jeff Van Gundy, who, like Carlisle, has been working as a TV analyst for ESPN since his last coaching job. But Van Gundy reiterated Friday that he's "not interested in coaching anywhere [next season] due to family reasons." Van Gundy added that the Mavericks have not contacted him, but it is well known in Mavericks circles that Cuban is a Van Gundy fan and vice versa.

Nelson told The Dallas Morning News in Friday's editions that the Mavs would "show some patience in our search because, after the first round, there could be some very good candidates available."

Phoenix's Mike D'Antoni, Detroit's Flip Saunders and Washington's Eddie Jordan have been mentioned as Dallas candidates under those circumstances, although there have been no indications that either Saunders or Jordan is facing an immediate threat to his current job.

D'Antoni was scheduled to meet with Suns president Steve Kerr and owner Robert Sarver on Friday, with D'Antoni's departure from the Suns widely expected. ESPN.com reported Friday that Chicago is D'Antoni's most likely landing spot if he leaves the Suns, although Dallas and the New York Knicks have strong interest as well.

Carlisle, meanwhile, also interviewed with the Knicks and new team president Donnie Walsh this week, according to a Friday report by the New York Post's Peter Vecsey. Another ESPN analyst -- former Knicks guard Mark Jackson -- remains the consensus favorite to land the New York job.

Forecasting the outcome of the search for Johnson's successor in Dallas, however, is considerably tougher. For all Cuban's perceived volatility, this is the first time he has fired a coach and the first time he is considering external candidates.

Cuban inherited Don Nelson as a coach when he assumed ownership control of the Mavs in January 2000, and he ultimately gave Nelson two contract extensions after they hit it off in those first few months together. Cuban then targeted Johnson as Nelson's replacement when Johnson was still a player and assistant coach, repeatedly observing Johnson's ability to lead and motivate from his daily seat near the Dallas bench. Don Nelson, furthermore, asked out more than he was pushed out in March 2005.

But giving this big job to someone he knows that well, as he likes to do in all his businesses, doesn't seem possible for Cuban this time. Not unless Donnie Nelson -- formerly a hotshot coaching prospect before his full-time move to the front office when Johnson took over as head coach -- unexpectedly changes his mind and asks for his clipboard back.

"My job is to get the best guy that we can get out there," Donnie Nelson said in his radio interview. "I'm on the list. I'm just the last guy, and hopefully it doesn't get to that. … I'm saying we'd have to get through a very, very long list in order for [Donnie Nelson to coach the team] and don't look for it to happen."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3379132

[Findog]

I would love to have Carlisle. He has a rep as a taskmaster, but he seems like the best balance between an offensive and defensive specialist. We need to open up the offense more, but not at the expense of paying short shrift to defense.

[21_Blessings]

Have fun in the lottery next season

[Findog]

Have fun in the lottery next season

Have fun getting eliminated by Tim Duncan this season.

GTFO.

[Cashville]

just checking the realgm forum alot of fans (CLE, SAC, MIL, TOR, MIA, POR) seem to still like Howard, his value really hasn't decreased by that much. The ones in Milwaukee really want a Redd for Howard and Stackhouse trade to happen.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The ones in Milwaukee really want a Redd for Howard and Stackhouse trade to happen.

:wow

[Findog]

:wow

I would do that in a heartbeat. Get rid of Stack's salary and open up the SF slot for Antoine Wright.

[Cashville]

:wow

what is there to be surprised about? He's a one dimensional chucker who provides nothing but scoring (shooting really). omg he's the best player on a mediocre team 20 win team (debatable)...omg he scores points on a mediocre team. Howard's been the second best player on a championship contending squad. Wasn't Howard averaging 30/8/3 when Dirk was out? To tell you the truth if both players are motivated Howard provides more because he can can score nearly as well as Redd while being a disruptive presence on the defensive end.


Redd also makes Max money. So in a few years they will be in a good situation cap wise.

If I am the Mavs I would want (for Howard):

1. Artest- Toughness, defense, inside scoring
2. Marion- athleticism, defense, moves without the ball
3. Maggette- gets to the FT line
4. Redd- scores

[Findog]

If I am the Mavs I would want (for Howard):

1. Artest- Toughness, defense, inside scoring
2. Marion- athleticism, defense, moves without the ball
3. Maggette- gets to the FT line
4. Redd- scores

Artest will probably opt out of his contract. No losing team will touch him, teams like the Lakers/Celtics/Spurs won't want to upset their chemistry for him since Artest would be a luxury and not a need. I wonder what kind of rel'ship he had with Carlisle or if he respected him. Because going to a Carlisle-coached Mavs team might be the best option for Artest, assuming he liked playing for him in Indiana.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Artest will probably opt out of his contract. No losing team will touch him, teams like the Lakers/Celtics/Spurs won't want to upset their chemistry for him since Artest would be a luxury and not a need. I wonder what kind of rel'ship he had with Carlisle or if he respected him. Because going to a Carlisle-coached Mavs team might be the best option for Artest, assuming he liked playing for him in Indiana.


Report: Artest Likely To Remain With Kings
April 2, 2008 - 1:34 pm
espn.com -
Ron Artest says it's likely he'll remain with the Kings next season rather than opt out of his contract, according to an ESPN.com report.

"Most likely we won't [opt out]," Artest, speaking for himself and agent Mark Stevens, said after Tuesday's win over the Rockets, according to The Sacramento Bee.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51729/20080402/report_artest_likely_to_remain_with_kings/

[Findog]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51729/20080402/report_artest_likely_to_remain_with_kings/

:bang:bang:bang

[monosylab1k]

So now that the Bulls have the #1 pick....

If they take Beasley, then that makes Tyrus Thomas somewhat obsolete on their team. While he may be lacking in any kind of functional brain, he's got out of this world athleticism. Would Mavs fans do a Thomas/Sefolosha for Howard trade? This is definitely risky, but we instantly get much younger & more athletic. Sefolosha is capable of being a solid defensive stopper and has potential to be a decent bench scorer. Tyrus is capable of being Amare with defense if he ever turns his brain on.

If they take Rose, perhaps they're more likely to move Hinrich or Gordon. I'm really not jazzed about either, but obviously Gordon would be a nicer option.

[stretch]

Oh, man if we could get rid of Howard for Gordon, that would be great... the guy is a fantastic scorer, and is an fantastic shooter. and I think playing with Dirk and Kidd would help make him more efficient, as he only shoots around 43% from the field, although a lot of it is due to the fact that he doesn't have many weapons around him and often has to take bad or forced shots. he wouldn't have that problem in Dallas. That would be a lethal combo of him and Dirk.

[monosylab1k]

I'd like Gordon but the fact that he never saw a shot he didn't want to take scares me a bit. Being fearless is nice, but Gordon's shot selection borders on brainless most of the time. I guess it's no worse than what we've got, and if we're gonna have a chucker on the court, better him than Stackhouse.

I really don't care who we get though, Josh Howard cannot remain on the Mavericks. If he's suiting up for them, they're basically writing off next season completely before it even starts.

If it comes down to it, trade him for fucking Mark Madsen, I don't give a shit. Just get his sorry ass off the team.

[monosylab1k]

If the Grizz are trying everything possible to dump Brian Cardinal's contract, maybe a Howard/George for Miller/Cardinal deal could work? Not sure what Devean's contract would have to be to make that work. Probably won't work now, since if they're still salary dumping, they won't lose Mike Miller to take on a lesser player who has a similar contract and more years.

[sribb43]

If the Grizz are trying everything possible to dump Brian Cardinal's contract, maybe a Howard/George for Miller/Cardinal deal could work? Not sure what Devean's contract would have to be to make that work. Probably won't work now, since if they're still salary dumping, they won't lose Mike Miller to take on a lesser player who has a similar contract and more years.

sucks that we cant rape the Grizzlies like the Lakers did and get MM alot cheaper

[monosylab1k]

sucks that we cant rape the Grizzlies like the Lakers did and get MM alot cheaper

David Stern only lets his chosen team rape the Grizzlies.

[stretch]

I'd like Gordon but the fact that he never saw a shot he didn't want to take scares me a bit. Being fearless is nice, but Gordon's shot selection borders on brainless most of the time. I guess it's no worse than what we've got, and if we're gonna have a chucker on the court, better him than Stackhouse.

I really don't care who we get though, Josh Howard cannot remain on the Mavericks. If he's suiting up for them, they're basically writing off next season completely before it even starts.

If it comes down to it, trade him for fucking Mark Madsen, I don't give a shit. Just get his sorry ass off the team.

At the same time, a lot of Gordon's bad shots are due to a crappy offensive team and system. in a team with Dirk and Kidd, i think he would definitely be more efficient.

[stretch]

However I would still like to try to get Shawn Marion more than anyone.

[arcticjoe]

ben gordon is 6'3 thats undersized for a SG and is the epitome of streaky shooter so the idea of trading howard for him should not even come into play

the Thomas/Sefolosha also has its problems... the point of getting rid of howard and devin was essentially dirk will be out of his prime when these 2 reach the height of their game... so to get Thomas/Sefolosha would null the whole reason behind the trades. they're not looking to the future, they're looking for a person near the height of their game, athletic body to run with kidd, and will be a absolute professional on and off the court

which means there really is only a handful i can think of.

i guess shawn marion is the closest thing you can get to it.

[mavs>spurs2]

ben gordon is 6'3 thats undersized for a SG and is the epitome of streaky shooter so the idea of trading howard for him should not even come into play

the Thomas/Sefolosha also has its problems... the point of getting rid of howard and devin was essentially dirk will be out of his prime when these 2 reach the height of their game... so to get Thomas/Sefolosha would null the whole reason behind the trades. they're not looking to the future, they're looking for a person near the height of their game, athletic body to run with kidd, and will be a absolute professional on and off the court

which means there really is only a handful i can think of.

i guess shawn marion is the closest thing you can get to it.

6ft 3 isn't really all that undersized for a shooting guard..just most players listed most heights are with shoes. Kobe is only 6ft 4 barefoot according to numerous sources and predraft measurements, as was Jordan. The problem is Gordon is GENEROUSLY listed at 6ft 2, I don't think he's a hair over 6ft barefoot height. I completely agree with you about not wanting Gordon. Besides, we already have an undersized streaky shooting guard.

[Findog]

If I were Donnie Nelson:

- resign Antoine Wright and Tyronn Lue.

- trade Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry to Milwaukee for Michael Redd. It works in the trade checker (Why does Milwaukee do it? They want to dump salary and the total financial commitments to Terry/Stack are less than what they owe to Redd. I think)

- trade Josh Howard to Sacramento for Ron Artest + salary filler. This currently does not work under the trade checker because of Artest's Early Termination Option. But lets assume at worst a s-n-t can be worked out. Sacramento does it because Artest's act has grown tiresome and Howard would be a nice replacement.

- sign DeSagana Diop with the LLE.

- sign Eduardo Najera with a portion of the MLE.

I assume at some point Devean George and his bird rights will be useful in landing Artest. That leaves the Mavs with this:

C: Dampier
PF: Dirk
SF: Artest
SG: Redd
PG: Kidd

6th man: Bass
Rotation players: Wright, Najera, Diop, Lue

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hot damn, that's a nice starting lineup.

[Findog]

Hot damn, that's a nice starting lineup.

I think both the Mavs-Kings would do Josh-Artest in a heartbeat for different reasons. If the Bucks want to dump salary, I can see them parting with Redd. Terry's contract is bad, but he's owed less money than Redd overall, he'd be a decent stopgap replacement at SG for Redd, and both he and Stack would be the "experienced vets" that young, losing teams would value for intangibles.

[Findog]

Terry has 4 years and 40 million left. Redd has 3 years and 50 million left. Stack has 2 yeras and about 8 million left, so the Bucks wouldn't really be saving much money, not enough to make the trade. Dammit!

OTOH, doing this deal gives Milwaukee more cap flexibility going forward after this year because Stack will be off the books after next year, and Terry's yearly cap # is about half of Redd's.

[monosylab1k]

If we're gonna get Michael Redd, it's gotta be by trading Howard. Terry or Suckhouse won't get it done.

From what I've read, Bucks fans are salivating at the idea of trading away Redd for Howard. Every other sane mind in the basketball world realizes that it's not a very good trade for MIL. If there's any hope, it's that the Bucks front office just might be dumb enough to make that trade.

[mavs>spurs2]

If we're gonna get Michael Redd, it's gotta be by trading Howard. Terry or Suckhouse won't get it done.

From what I've read, Bucks fans are salivating at the idea of trading away Redd for Howard. Every other sane mind in the basketball world realizes that it's not a very good trade for MIL. If there's any hope, it's that the Bucks front office just might be dumb enough to make that trade.

I disagree. If Howard goes to Milwaukee and plays like 2005-2006 Josh Howard then we get screwed again. Redd is somewhat of a chucker and doesn't play defense, somewhere deep down Josh is capable of being a much better player.

[Shank]

The Joakim Noah bust will get people off Josh for his weed comments (though not much. The dumbass still picked the wrong venue and timing to sound off.)

I actually think Carlisle will get more out of Josh than Avery did. Potheads don't like to be yelled at and ragged on. The Mavs gave Josh a bit of the dreaded "vote of confidence" after the season, but I think they mean it when they say how much he means to the team. As much of a dumbass as he may be, I think Josh bounces back from a bad season...

...just enough to be traded at the deadline.

[sribb43]

If I were Donnie Nelson:

- resign Antoine Wright and Tyronn Lue.

- trade Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry to Milwaukee for Michael Redd. It works in the trade checker (Why does Milwaukee do it? They want to dump salary and the total financial commitments to Terry/Stack are less than what they owe to Redd. I think)

- trade Josh Howard to Sacramento for Ron Artest + salary filler. This currently does not work under the trade checker because of Artest's Early Termination Option. But lets assume at worst a s-n-t can be worked out. Sacramento does it because Artest's act has grown tiresome and Howard would be a nice replacement.

- sign DeSagana Diop with the LLE.

- sign Eduardo Najera with a portion of the MLE.

I assume at some point Devean George and his bird rights will be useful in landing Artest. That leaves the Mavs with this:

C: Dampier
PF: Dirk
SF: Artest
SG: Redd
PG: Kidd

6th man: Bass
Rotation players: Wright, Najera, Diop, Lue

Mavs dont have the LLE this summer, they used it last summer on Eddie Jones:(...The LLE can only be used on a bi-annual basis

[monosylab1k]

The Joakim Noah bust will get people off Josh for his weed comments (though not much. The dumbass still picked the wrong venue and timing to sound off.)

I actually think Carlisle will get more out of Josh than Avery did. Potheads don't like to be yelled at and ragged on. The Mavs gave Josh a bit of the dreaded "vote of confidence" after the season, but I think they mean it when they say how much he means to the team. As much of a dumbass as he may be, I think Josh bounces back from a bad season...

...just enough to be traded at the deadline.

If Josh is still on the team at the start of training camp, Mark Cuban & Donnie Nelson lose all credibility with me, and the upcoming season will be an absolute failure. Getting his sorry ass out of town should be priority #1 this offseason.

[Indazone]

Bring in Joachim Noah to go with Josh Howard. Add Tractor Traylor and that would be one high flying team!

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/19048/marijuana2.jpg AVERICKS

[dallaskd]

ok ive been watching the playoffs and not keeping up with the mavs. what realistic chance do we have to sign what top guys on the market and do we have a chance of making a big move via trade or the draft? are the mavs considering a big move? if so for who?

[Findog]

I'm thinking that it's all a big waste of time to try and sign some veteran with the MLE like Najera or whomever. Eddie Najera, Kurt Thomas and so forth are not going to be the difference between this team winning and losing a series, much less winning a title.

The Mavs should concentrate their MLE efforts on finding the next Brandon Bass, that underutilized young guy languishing on somebody else's bench, since after all the team needs to get younger, more athletic and more talented. And then start shedding their contracts and clearing cap space for Kevin Durant's free agency. If that team goes to OKC, there's no way he's signing an extension with them. The OKC market is going to be a tough one for signing and retaining free agents. It immediately goes to the top of the list of bungholes that guys don't want to go to, ahead of Memphis and Sacramento.

[stretch]

gotta make a move and get a star veteran to go along with Dirk and Kidd. but who do we get? I know a lot of people are against it, but I think Jermaine O'Neal would be a nice option to explore, and not being the #1 option would help him tremendously. He can be used as primarily a defensive player (which he is very good at) and a clean-up player on offense (which he is also good at doing). and since he wont be relied on for a lot of offense, we wont have to worry about him shooting jumpers much or anything. plus Carlisle has coached him before, so he knows what he is capable of and how to use his strengths to the teams advantage. plus having Dirk take pressure off him, and Kidd getting him easy buckets will help a LOT. he just gotta stay healthy, but i think we could potentially get him for very cheap.

im sure a change of scenery is also something that would help him.

[stretch]

Elton Brand would be great too, but we would have to give up quite a bit for him...

[stretch]

a trade of Howard for Marion would be quite nice. or if we could find a way to get Emeka Okafor.

[stretch]

or perhaps Jason Richardson? getting Ben Gordon and using him like Chicago does, as a bench guy for scoing when Dirk is out? Maggette? Redd? Coby Karl?

[monosylab1k]

There's only one thing this offseason that should be a "must-do"......getting Josh Howard out of here. Unfortunately everything I've read says they're leaning towards keeping him.

If Josh Howard is on this team next season they are in for another wasted year.

[monosylab1k]

I've read discussion of using the MLE for Diop & CJ Miles.....I'd be all for that.

As far as getting another big piece in here, the options appear pretty limited. I don't want Jermaine O'Neal here, but I get why some think he might be rejuvenated here. Either way, I doubt we can get him. The only pieces we have are Howard or Bass. If they're willing to take on Damp or Stack's contract in addition to Howard, then maybe it works. But it's doubtful.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Do you guys have the LLE this year?

[Findog]

Do you guys have the LLE this year?

no

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Trade exceptions?

[Findog]

Trade exceptions?

Not that I know of, just the MLE

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And this is basically the roster breakdown?

C DAMPIER/MAGLOIRE
PF NOWITZKI/BASS/HOWARD/ALLEN
SF HOWARD/GEORGE
SG TERRY/STACKHOUSE/JONES/WRIGHT
PG KIDD/LUE/BAREA

Any of them free agents?

[Findog]

And this is basically the roster breakdown?

C DAMPIER/MAGLOIRE
PF NOWITZKI/BASS/HOWARD/ALLEN
SF HOWARD/GEORGE
SG TERRY/STACKHOUSE/JONES/WRIGHT
PG KIDD/LUE/BAREA

Any of them free agents?

george, lue, wright, allen, magloire, juwan howard are FAs for sure. Barea might be, I don't know off the top of my head. I hope they resign Antoine Wright. I don't know that he'll ever be a star in this league, but he was real solid for us whenever Avery took his head out of his ass and actually played him instead of the rotting corpses of Eddie Jones and Jerry Stackhouse.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

According to ESPN, Barea is a restricted free agent.

Is there any interest in retaining him?

[stretch]

i say we keep Lue and Wright. get Diop back, unless we get Jermaine O'Neal.

[stretch]

According to ESPN, Barea is a restricted free agent.

Is there any interest in retaining him?

I'd rather just keep Lue, or get Barea back for a trade piece.

[monosylab1k]

According to ESPN, Barea is a restricted free agent.

Is there any interest in retaining him?

He's a fun little mascot to have on the bench. More entertaining than Mavs Man or Champ. If they could convince him to jump off a trampoline through a circle of fire and dunk the ball, he'd bring a little more value to the organization.

[monosylab1k]

If the Wolves take OJ Mayo, then it's possible that Rashad McCants might be available. If we take Fatoine along with him, we could probably get them for Howard.

edit: nevermind, McCants is too small for my liking.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What I think the Mavs should do:

Draft Trent Plaisted with the 51st pick. Unless he greatly impresses in training camp, send him down to Albuquerque.
Let all the free agents go except Antoine Wright and Lue.
Split the MLE with Primoz Brezec and Brian Skinner.
Do a sign and trade with Golden State: Josh Howard for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Bellinelli.
Azubuike is a good scorer with a great rebounding rate for his size (6'5").
Marco Bellinelli has quite an attitude problem(refused to go to the D-League) and never established much of a relationship with Don. But believe me: the guy can flat out score.
In one of the last games of the season, there was a time when in 17 minutes he scored 19 points.

Why Dallas does it:
They finally get rid of Howard.
They get a guy who can do what Howard does, if only he had more PT(Kelenna).
They get a guy who can straight-up score(an easy bet for the 3point contest next year if he gets PT) in Marco.

Why Golden State does it:
They get rid of Bellinelli.
They bring in a good scorer and rebounder in Josh Howard.
They're able to get rid of Azubuike so they can focus on re-signing Monta and Andris.

Roster outlook:
C Dampier/Skinner/Brezec
PF Nowitzki/Bass/Plaisted
SF Azubuike/Wright/Stackhouse
SG Terry/Bellinelli/Jones
PG Kidd/Lue/(scrub)

Put Jones on the IR with Plaisted, who will be in the D-League.

[stretch]

What I think the Mavs should do:

Draft Trent Plaisted with the 51st pick. Unless he greatly impresses in training camp, send him down to Albuquerque.
Let all the free agents go except Antoine Wright and Lue.
Split the MLE with Primoz Brezec and Brian Skinner.
Do a sign and trade with Golden State: Josh Howard for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Bellinelli.
Azubuike is a good scorer with a great rebounding rate for his size (6'5").
Marco Bellinelli has quite an attitude problem(refused to go to the D-League) and never established much of a relationship with Don. But believe me: the guy can flat out score.
In one of the last games of the season, there was a time when in 17 minutes he scored 19 points.

Why Dallas does it:
They finally get rid of Howard.
They get a guy who can do what Howard does, if only he had more PT(Kelenna).
They get a guy who can straight-up score(an easy bet for the 3point contest next year if he gets PT) in Marco.

Why Golden State does it:
They get rid of Bellinelli.
They bring in a good scorer and rebounder in Josh Howard.
They're able to get rid of Azubuike so they can focus on re-signing Monta and Andris.

Roster outlook:
C Dampier/Skinner/Brezec
PF Nowitzki/Bass/Plaisted
SF Azubuike/Wright/Stackhouse
SG Terry/Bellinelli/Jones
PG Kidd/Lue/(scrub)

Put Jones on the IR with Plaisted, who will be in the D-League.

doubt we will be able to make any trades with GS, considering the issues going on now with Nellie and Cubes.

[confined]

i think we could get more for Howard than a couple scrubs off the warrior's bench:nope

[Findog]

The Mavs should seriously consider dealing Kidd if the right trade presents itself. I think Carlisle can get better results out of him than Avery did, but he won't guard Chris Paul or Deron Williams any better under Rick than the Little Dictator.

[Indazone]

Doesn't matter what the Mavs do. Their best chance was against the Miami Heat. After that, :lol. GS will never trade with the Mavs because they don't want to help the Mavs in anyway. Besides trading with the Mavs potentially helps take away that bubble playoff spot the Warriors always seem to be on.

[stretch]

The Mavs should seriously consider dealing Kidd if the right trade presents itself. I think Carlisle can get better results out of him than Avery did, but he won't guard Chris Paul or Deron Williams any better under Rick than the Little Dictator.

um... no one in the league can really guard them well. Tony Parker is half as good of a defender as Kidd, got eaten up by them, but the Spurs still won the series. The Mavericks gotta find ways to consistently score the ball. The offense concerns me quite a bit more. However, I think getting J-O'neal will help on both ends, which is a big reason why I personally would like having him here. He is a very overlooked and underrated defender.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

i think we could get more for Howard than a couple scrubs off the warrior's bench:nope

They aren't scrubs.

[monosylab1k]

I still think the best course of action is to nuke it. Dump all salary except for Dirk, tank the shit out of this season hoping for a top-3 pick, and get to work today on a sales pitch for Kevin Durant. It won't happen tho.

[bostonguy]

um... no one in the league can really guard them well. Tony Parker is half as good of a defender as Kidd, got eaten up by them, but the Spurs still won the series. The Mavericks gotta find ways to consistently score the ball. The offense concerns me quite a bit more. However, I think getting J-O'neal will help on both ends, which is a big reason why I personally would like having him here. He is a very overlooked and underrated defender.

Only problem with Jermaine is he cant ever stay healthy. If he could, that would be well worth it.

[Ghazi]

I don't think the Mavericks are as far off as fans and the media think they are, considering all the chemistry and coaching issues that they had this year.

[stretch]

I don't think the Mavericks are as far off as fans and the media think they are, considering all the chemistry and coaching issues that they had this year.

Oh I agree, I think Avery really fucked this season up. If I had known he was the reason that there were so many issues, then I would not have wanted the Kidd trade to go through. I really thought that it was Devin's inability to run an offense, but apparently I was wrong, as Avery's terrible system even made Kidd look like an average PG.

[monosylab1k]

Mavs are possibly trying to make a move into the top 10 of the draft. Trading chip of choice would be Bass, not Howard. I normally take nothing Mike Fisher says seriously, but I'd be all for making this move if we get Joe Alexander. Kill me with death if they go after Gordon.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=491

[greensborohill]

Mavs are possibly trying to make a move into the top 10 of the draft. Trading chip of choice would be Bass, not Howard. I normally take nothing Mike Fisher says seriously, but I'd be all for making this move if we get Joe Alexander. Kill me with death if they go after Gordon.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=491

We?

I take it you aren't really a Wolves fan?

[monosylab1k]

We?

I take it you aren't really a Wolves fan?

I doubt it.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I really thought that it was Devin's inability to run an offense, but apparently I was wrong, as Avery's terrible system even made Kidd look like an average PG.

I think Father Time had more to do with making Kidd look like an average PG than Avery Johnson did. His averages in Dallas were not actually that far off (some even improved) than they were in New Jersey for '07/'08.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I doubt it.

Then why do you have the T'Wolves listed as your team under your avatar?

[monosylab1k]

Then why do you have the T'Wolves listed as your team under your avatar?

You're new here, right?

[stretch]

I think Father Time had more to do with making Kidd look like an average PG than Avery Johnson did. His averages in Dallas were not actually that far off (some even improved) than they were in New Jersey for '07/'08.

His shooting was better, and that was because he had a better team, and was able to actually shoot open shots. not just have VC dribble around until 2 seconds are on the clock and if he isnt forcing a bad shot, hes dishing it out to kidd for a forced shot.

Avery had one of the worst offensive systems ive ever seen. Avery wore out his welcome in Dallas.

[stretch]

Then why do you have the T'Wolves listed as your team under your avatar?

noob?

[Kindergarten Cop]

You're new here, right?

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

[MavDynasty]

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

The mavs are an embarrasment so he changed his team.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The mavs are an embarrasment so he changed his team.

Thanks for the clarification.

So to avoid embarassment, he changed it to Minnesota?:wow

[MavDynasty]

Thanks for the clarification.

So to avoid embarassment, he changed it to Minnesota?:wow

I dont really know about it but thats what i'm guessing. The second the mavs got raped by the hornets, I think he changed it. But idk Minnesota lol

[monosylab1k]

Yes.

Care to elaborate?


The mavs are an embarrasment so he changed his team.


Thanks for the clarification.

So to avoid embarassment, he changed it to Minnesota?:wow


I dont really know about it but thats what i'm guessing. The second the mavs got raped by the hornets, I think he changed it. But idk Minnesota lol

http://pzrservices.typepad.com/advertisingisgoodforyou/images/2007/04/09/kfc_famous_bowl.jpg

[Kindergarten Cop]

http://pzrservices.typepad.com/advertisingisgoodforyou/images/2007/04/09/kfc_famous_bowl.jpg


<-------More confused than before.

[MavDynasty]

<-------More confused than before.

wtf is the pic i cant see it.i'm at work

[stretch]

kfc

[Kindergarten Cop]

kfc


Did I just step into the Twilight Zone? :wow

Where the hell am I and what is going on?!?!?

[stretch]

Did I just step into the Twilight Zone? :wow

Where the hell am I and what is going on?!?!?

kfc motherfucker

[Kindergarten Cop]

kfc motherfucker


Wow! Now I understand.

[stretch]

no u dont

gtfo

[Kindergarten Cop]

no u dont

gtfo

I wasn't aware that you were a prick disguised as an internet bully. :toast Nowhere in my posts did I say anything offensive to you or try to talk smack, but now that you've got your panties all in a bunch I don't plan on going anywhere. I wasn't aware that a select few Mavs' fans were involved in fast food gangs, but whatever.:king

Besides, I wasn't even the one who first asked about the "we" comment - it was a Mavs' fan.

[monosylab1k]

I wasn't aware that you were a prick disguised as an internet bully. :toast Nowhere in my posts did I say anything offensive to you or try to talk smack, but now that you've got your panties all in a bunch I don't plan on going anywhere. I wasn't aware that a select few Mavs' fans were involved in fast food gangs, but whatever.:king

Besides, I wasn't even the one who first asked about the "we" comment - it was a Mavs' fan.

:bking

[Kindergarten Cop]

:bking



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[MavDynasty]

I wasn't aware that you were a prick disguised as an internet bully. :toast Nowhere in my posts did I say anything offensive to you or try to talk smack, but now that you've got your panties all in a bunch I don't plan on going anywhere. I wasn't aware that a select few Mavs' fans were involved in fast food gangs, but whatever.:king

Besides, I wasn't even the one who first asked about the "we" comment - it was a Mavs' fan.

:lmao:lmao

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I wasn't aware that you were a prick disguised as an internet bully. :toast

:cry


Nowhere in my posts did I say anything offensive to you or try to talk smack, but now that you've got your panties all in a bunch I don't plan on going anywhere.

yay :wow


I wasn't aware that a select few Mavs' fans were involved in fast food gangs, but whatever.:king

yeah well u should have known better


Besides, I wasn't even the one who first asked about the "we" comment - it was a Mavs' fan.

ok

[monosylab1k]

Mavs are possibly trying to make a move into the top 10 of the draft. Trading chip of choice would be Bass, not Howard. I normally take nothing Mike Fisher says seriously, but I'd be all for making this move if we get Joe Alexander. Kill me with death if they go after Gordon.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=491

The more I think about this article the more I think it's typical Mike Fisher bullcrap. "Educated gossip"? More likely that he read too much into Donnie's quotes and needed to fill a column. That's why I hate that assclown. Fisher might be the worst "journalist" in all of Dallas. And we've got some shitty ones.

[leemajors]

fast good gangs sound awesome.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao This page is great.

[Red Hawk #21]

LOL @ "fast food gangs"

[monosylab1k]

Howard/Stackhouse for Miller/Cardinal works in the trade checker. On the radio they said Stack's contract has some $2M buyout option that can end his contract after this season. No clue about that, maybe I was just hearing things. Grizz get a decent player in Howard and dump Cardinal's contract.

Sound reasonable to anybody?

[monosylab1k]

you can even throw bass in there to sweeten the deal. maybe for their late 1st rounder. whatever it takes to get howard gone.

[clambake]

i think its impossible dreams to suspect the mavs get anything for howard.

[Findog]

I don't want to deal Howard when his trade value is in the shitter.

[monosylab1k]

I highly doubt Howard's value around the NBA is as bad as some say. I do think that will be the excuse given as to why Howard won't be traded. Donnie is already throwing out the "we like our team" card AGAIN.

www.firedonnie.com will be up and running soon.

[monosylab1k]

I can already see the writing on the wall.......Josh Howard won't be traded, Donnie will keep beating us over the head with "we like our team", Cuban will keep selling Carlisle as the magic potion that will fix everything, we'll hear how Reyshawn Terry is ready to step in and play 35 minutes a game, we'll sign some shitty D-Leaguer who everyone expects will be the next Bass, Dick Breath will get to use his fucking Bird Rights and re-sign for way more money than he deserves, and they're gonna trot out there with the same shitty 7-seed team they had last year. It's going to happen, I know it.

Fuck the Mavericks.

[Shank]

Donnie talking at 530 today.

Why? Why hold a presser an hour before the draft. They've never done this before and I can't say that I've seen other GMs do the same thing of recent memory. The fuck is this all about?

[Findog]

Donnie talking at 530 today.

Why? Why hold a presser an hour before the draft. They've never done this before and I can't say that I've seen other GMs do the same thing of recent memory. The fuck is this all about?

"Talking"at 530 today? Does that mean he's going to hold a press conference or call in to talk to Grandpa Galloway?