The Official Barry Fouled By Fisher Thread

[Man of Steel]

Joey Crawford fucked us.

When he got back into the Ref's dressing room, quietly pulled off his ref jacked, sat back and recalled the day that Tim Duncan also laughed...the day that Joey threw him out of the game.

Then ever so slightly, Crawford leaned back, and smiled.

No Call--game to Lakers.

For him--Mission Accomplished...

[lolz]

Because that argument is endless. The game obvioulsy boiled down to one last play. The Game deserved to be decided in OT if, and a BIG freakin IF in my book, Barry makes two to tie.

If the the play that led to the opportunity was a fuck up, were going to ignore that and automatically assume the game DESERVED OT? I call bs on that. Sure we don't have to argue every call but the play before it was a DIRECT RESULT.

[Lakers08Champs]

While it could be said that Fisher fouled Barry, it was a good no call. Barry pulled the ball down, bent down and put the ball on the floor initiating the contact with his off shoulder. Even though Fisher was in the air, Barry initiated the contact, and he shot, after the contact. Good call!!

[lolz]

Joey Crawford fucked us.

Moron.

It was not Joey Crawford.

[zepn]

Vujacic gets grazed and ends up with 4 points.

Barry gets sat on and gets zilch...

[lakersownspurs]

Because that argument is endless. The game obvioulsy boiled down to one last play. The Game deserved to be decided in OT if, and a BIG freakin IF in my book, Barry makes two to tie.

You opinion is noted...:sleep

[akula488]

Game 4 - Lakers @ Spurs (Reffing)


Kobe's 0 FTA
Watch the game, the Spurs philosphy is not to foul Kobe, and force him around the perimeter. Half of Kobe's points in the paint came from dunks/break points, and the other half he wasn't fouled on. Kobe drove a few other times, there could have been possible contact on a few of them, but it wasn't something completley crazy, there hasn't been a lot of easy fouls in this series for either team.

Ginobli's final three
His foot was on the line, the score should have been 90 - 93, putting SA in a 3 point hole going into the final poss. (at the very least).

Fisher's shot/24 second violation
Clock should have reset, it clearly hit the rim (clearly on replay that is). This gives the Lakers 2 freethrows (most likely from Kobe) -- odds are Kobe makes at least one of those freethrows, again putting them up by at least 3, but possibly 4 or 5 (depending on the call on Manu's 3).

Barry's last play
He was fouled on the ground, there is no denying that. It should have been two shots (not in act of shooting) - which would tie the game (if none of the other calls went the right way). Otherwise, if the last minute was officiated correctly, Barry two freethrows would not have mattered.

Final:
Lakers made many mistakes down the stretch, what would otherwise should have been a fairly easy victory after only 1:20 or so was left. The Spurs played with heart, but fell short. The better team won tonight.

[WCFBaby]

WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSY ASS WHINERS!!

P.S. Biggest "pussy ass whiner" in all of Texas = Sparky

[WCFBaby]

Joey Crawford fucked us.

When he got back into the Ref's dressing room, quietly pulled off his ref jacked, sat back and recalled the day that Tim Duncan also laughed...the day that Joey threw him out of the game.

Then ever so slightly, Crawford leaned back, and smiled.

No Call--game to Lakers.

For him--Mission Accomplished...

LMAO.....you're a BITCH!

[lac818]

TIM DOUNAGHY AND STERN GIFT WRAPPED A TITLE FOR YOU AND YOU GUYS CRY FOUL? WHAT A JOKE? YOU WANNA SEE SOME BAD CALLS........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QRp17FCifjc

[lolz]

There it goes: :lobt2:

Never to be seen again in San Antonio for a long long time.

[Lakers08Champs]

even Pop, Barry and Duncan being men and saying that those kind of calls don't get called at the end of games, and I give them a lot of respect for that!

[DazedAndConfused]

So I guess when it comes down to it the Spurs fans are no different than the Suns fans when it comes to whining about conspiracies.

[zepn]

While it could be said that Fisher fouled Barry, it was a good no call. Barry pulled the ball down, bent down and put the ball on the floor initiating the contact with his off shoulder. Even though Fisher was in the air, Barry initiated the contact, and he shot, after the contact. Good call!!

Fisher had already sat on Barry's neck before that. I guess that wasn't a foul either?

[WCFBaby]

While it could be said that Fisher fouled Barry, it was a good no call. Barry pulled the ball down, bent down and put the ball on the floor initiating the contact with his off shoulder. Even though Fisher was in the air, Barry initiated the contact, and he shot, after the contact. Good call!!

DING DING DING!!! We have a WINNER!!

[lakersownspurs]

While it could be said that Fisher fouled Barry, it was a good no call. Barry pulled the ball down, bent down and put the ball on the floor initiating the contact with his off shoulder. Even though Fisher was in the air, Barry initiated the contact, and he shot, after the contact. Good call!!

That was a foul. You KNOW the shooter can initiate contact while the defender is in the air.

Either way, the play shouls have never happened if the refs had reset the clock on Derek's shot...:bang:bang

[Trainwreck2100]

While it could be said that Fisher fouled Barry, it was a good no call. Barry pulled the ball down, bent down and put the ball on the floor initiating the contact with his off shoulder. Even though Fisher was in the air, Barry initiated the contact, and he shot, after the contact. Good call!!

That's why you are taught not to leave your feet on defense, cause then the other guy bends down puts the ball on the floor and initiates the contact. Its only a no call if the defender jumps straight up which he didn't.

[pinocchiobli]

rest assured i'll never post here again you dipshits.......geta grip mothafuckers....i got the week off work and i'm partying cuz you fools are done and done.....better save your pennies and buy prince's greatest hits cuz it is purple rain......i'll let you all kiss my laker loving ass when i come out to boerne and rub my sister's face in her team's loss..say goodnight...get a hobby....a job....remodel your trailer...re-shoe your horse...just stop crying...i'm going to rub it your faces, cuz it is not just over this year..it is over perod.....t bone steak well done......maybe tim duncan will break his leg next year and you'll get lucky in the lottery again......but i doubt it..this place is going to be a ghost town next year cuz you'll be battling with the clippers not the lakers.......get me a beer...i'm celebrating...later losers

[cobbler]

we can't argue prior plays, because Tony totally deserved an and 1 the previous play. All we have is the OBVIOUS FOUL down the stretch.

OT would have settled the game properly, but Joey is God in his mind and he decides how games should end. Whatever, this is nothing a victory Thursday can't cure.

You really are making yourself look like a fool. You should go replay the goaltend, the fish rim touch, and the last call. I agree they last call should have been called a 2 pt free throw if you are in the penalty or out of bounds, IT WAS NOT SHOOTING ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT, he dribbled after the contact. Prior to that, Lamar cleanly blocked Parker but it was close and they missed it, i can accept that, you move on. Bad call none the less. The fisher shot DEFINETLY hit the rim. You dont even get the ball if they call that.

Grow up, take your loss, and get ready for game 5. Or quit, go home, and blame everybody but your play for losing.

:whine:whine:whine:whine:whine:whine

[WCFBaby]

Game 4 - Lakers @ Spurs (Reffing)


Kobe's 0 FTA
Watch the game, the Spurs philosphy is not to foul Kobe, and force him around the perimeter. Half of Kobe's points in the paint came from dunks/break points, and the other half he wasn't fouled on. Kobe drove a few other times, there could have been possible contact on a few of them, but it wasn't something completley crazy, there hasn't been a lot of easy fouls in this series for either team.

Ginobli's final three
His foot was on the line, the score should have been 90 - 93, putting SA in a 3 point hole going into the final poss. (at the very least).

Fisher's shot/24 second violation
Clock should have reset, it clearly hit the rim (clearly on replay that is). This gives the Lakers 2 freethrows (most likely from Kobe) -- odds are Kobe makes at least one of those freethrows, again putting them up by at least 3, but possibly 4 or 5 (depending on the call on Manu's 3).

Barry's last play
He was fouled on the ground, there is no denying that. It should have been two shots (not in act of shooting) - which would tie the game (if none of the other calls went the right way). Otherwise, if the last minute was officiated correctly, Barry two freethrows would not have mattered.

Final:
Lakers made many mistakes down the stretch, what would otherwise should have been a fairly easy victory after only 1:20 or so was left. The Spurs played with heart, but fell short. The better team won tonight.

Finally, somebody in Texas gets it. GREAT POST!

[Lake_show]

Blame Barry for moving out the way. Barry said it was the right call, so did Duncan and Popovich. Stop crying because Fisher's shot hit the rim so you shouldn't have even been that predicament.

[SacheLee]

LOL @ the whining.

[Mamba24]

I am glad somebody else noticed that Manu's three point shot wasn't a 3 at all. Both of his feet were clearly on the line.

[Zero Point Four]

So you acknowledge it was a foul then?

I agree with Tim Duncan.

[WCFBaby]

:blah
rest assured i'll never post here again you dipshits.......geta grip mothafuckers....i got the week off work and i'm partying cuz you fools are done and done.....better save your pennies and buy prince's greatest hits cuz it is purple rain......i'll let you all kiss my laker loving ass when i come out to boerne and rub my sister's face in her team's loss..say goodnight...get a hobby....a job....remodel your trailer...re-shoe your horse...just stop crying...i'm going to rub it your faces, cuz it is not just over this year..it is over perod.....t bone steak well done......maybe tim duncan will break his leg next year and you'll get lucky in the lottery again......but i doubt it..this place is going to be a ghost town next year cuz you'll be battling with the clippers not the lakers.......get me a beer...i'm celebrating...later losers

:downspin::toast:lobt2:

[OC Lakerfan]

Spurs fans are acting like Suns fans. I never thought it would happen.

[Dopey310]

about the lebron shot: the ref do him a faver with the no call, tha spurs was up 3 and the foul was a 2 shot foul so they give him possibility 3 point shot that was much more better for the cavs

Pause it at .24, his feet was clearly behind the three point line. That foul was even more blatant than Fisher's. If the refs aren't going to bail Lebron out in the end, they definitely won't bail out Brent Barry.

[2centsworth]

Blame Barry for moving out the way. Barry said it was the right call, so did Duncan and Popovich. Stop crying because Fisher's shot hit the rim so you shouldn't have even been that predicament.

Tony got fouled the previous play, so what's your point? both the foul on Tony and Fisher's shot were not obvious to the oppossing side. The foul on Barry was a joke. However, LA deserves major props for the game they played. they did what they needed to do, I just wish Joey Crawford didn't think he was God. Lakers don't deserve any of the taint, but the NBA does.

[lakersownspurs]

Good luck on Game Five!! You'll need it!!

[BiZNicK]

The whole "let the players decide the game" shit is BS.

If that foul was called, the game was not won because "the ref decided the game". It would have been because FISH made a stupid defensive play and because BARRY made FT's. The ref would have been doing his JOB, to make the right calls. The ref never decides to the game, the players always do, by fouling, making shots, missing shots, etc.

Until a ref randomly comes out says "hmm....i'll say........[insert nba team here] win game!, refs do not decide the winner.

[KHRIS]

rest assured i'll never post here again you dipshits.......geta grip mothafuckers....i got the week off work and i'm partying cuz you fools are done and done.....better save your pennies and buy prince's greatest hits cuz it is purple rain......i'll let you all kiss my laker loving ass when i come out to boerne and rub my sister's face in her team's loss..say goodnight...get a hobby....a job....remodel your trailer...re-shoe your horse...just stop crying...i'm going to rub it your faces, cuz it is not just over this year..it is over perod.....t bone steak well done......maybe tim duncan will break his leg next year and you'll get lucky in the lottery again......but i doubt it..this place is going to be a ghost town next year cuz you'll be battling with the clippers not the lakers.......get me a beer...i'm celebrating...later losers

Well to be fair not all Spurs fans are like that. Some actually understand the game.

[2centsworth]

Spurs fans are acting like Suns fans. I never thought it would happen.

not even close. Suns fan swear they are the better team, even till this day. LA is proving to be the better team. My complaint is with Joey Crawford deciding he doesn't want this to be potentially the best comeback of all-time.

[ballhog]

Spurs fans are acting like Suns fans. I never thought it would happen.

You can leave now. Go to the Laker board (if there is such a thing).

[2centsworth]

The whole "let the players decide the game" shit is BS.

If that foul was called, the game was not won because "the ref decided the game". It would have been because FISH made a stupid defensive play and because BARRY made FT's. The ref would have been doing his JOB, to make the right calls. The ref never decides to the game, the players always do, by fouling, making shots, missing shots, etc.

Until a ref randomly comes out says "hmm....i'll say........[insert nba team here] win game!, refs do not decide the winner.


Joey Crawford totally decided how that game was going to end instead of just calling the game.

[cobbler]

This is fucking hilarious!!! GREAT post pinocchiobli!!

Originally Posted by pinocchiobli

it doesn't matter...you lost the game....enjoy the summer spurs
1.tony enjoy your hot wife untill she dumps you for sasha
2.manu enjoy picking your huge fucking nose
3.pop enjoy popping your zits
4.tim enjoy watching your lawen grow you boring son of a bitch
5.brent enjoy being shaggy's sunt double in the next scooby doo movie
6.oberto enjoy those cool san fransico night
7.horry enjoy your discount at the buffet
8.finley enjoy finding another team to try and win a championship with....bandwagoning arse hole (we'll trade you candace parker)
7. matt bonner tell fonzi to sit on it


No, its not hilarious. It's disrespectful, childish, and Ignorant. Guys like you make us real Laker fans look like chumps. You are an embarrassment to the Lakers, LA, true fans of sport, and your family.

Winning with class is obviously something you children obviously havent learned yet. It's really sad.

Go back and crawl under your rock.

[jmill]

LOL

From a Spurs fan


I've come down off my momentary tilt and the call isn't the reson the Spurs lost the game. Fish's shot did hit the rim. So they got their break at that point.

More importantly they had plenty of chances and made a lot of mistakes at crucial junctures. Theyd didn't get much from anyoen but Tim, Tony, Bowen and Barry. They just need more from Manu especially and from Finley Udoka and Horry as well.

Offensive rebounds killed this team tonight right down to the bitter end..

[TheMACHINE]

manu's 3 wasnt a 3...goaltending wasnt goaltending and fishers shot hit the rim....nuff said.

With all the refs help, spurs still couldnt win.

[crazylakerfan001]

how many times has a official called a foul at the end of the game. plus that would been a 2 ft foul where had he made both it would gone to ot where lakers would own up the fatigued strucken spurs

[jmill]

Seriously, fishers shot hit the rim. The ball game should have been over. Any Spurs fan that tries to dispute this just isn't objective, there's no way around it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The players did decide it. Barry made a great upfake, Fisher decided to bite on it, and it should have been Brent at the line.

[crazylakerfan001]

manu's 3 wasnt a 3...goaltending wasnt goaltending and fishers shot hit the rim....nuff said.

With all the refs help, spurs still couldnt win.

and kobes shot was a three and they only got 2 points for it

[DarrinS]

Was this game broadcast on any other channel besides TNT, because I still haven't seen this so-called rim shot by Fisher.

[jmill]

See, this is being objective

-Fisher did foul Barry. That was a bad no call.
-Fishers shot DID hit the rim, it was a bad no call.

Period. There's no way around either.

[Allanon]

lebron is laughing somewhere...
AwO7m-1T9DE

LeBron didn't get the bail-out foul either, and I agree that's the way the game should be played.

If you're close enough and want the refs to bail you out, you don't deserve the win.

Ref'ing works both ways but fans only complain when they're on the short end of the stick

[spurscenter]

a ref should be UNBIASED NEUTRAIL REFEREE

A FOUL IS A FOUL WHETHER 1 MINUTE IN or 47 MINUTES IN

[pinocchiobli]

i'm not trying to be fair...i'm not trying to make friends....i've been gulping down this bullshit chowder from these fools for a week...laker pie in the face spurs fan's.......in the immortal words of evita peron "don't cry for me san antonio you were suppossed to have been immortal"...wrong you are dead...i'm going to chick hearn's grave tonight and tell him how goofy all you spur bastards are.....whaaaaa we lost...whaaaa joey crawford....whaaa my sister won't do me anymore...whaaaa it hurts when i pee

[WCFBaby]

The whole "let the players decide the game" shit is BS.

If that foul was called, the game was not won because "the ref decided the game". It would have been because FISH made a stupid defensive play and because BARRY made FT's. The ref would have been doing his JOB, to make the right calls. The ref never decides to the game, the players always do, by fouling, making shots, missing shots, etc.

Until a ref randomly comes out says "hmm....i'll say........[insert nba team here] win game!, refs do not decide the winner.

You're a fucking joke! What about these two facts LATE in the game:
1. Ginobili's 3 was a 2....feet clearly on the line.
2. Fishers shot hit the rim....should have been a fresh shot clock for the Lakers with 2 seconds left...........GAME OVER!

Move on and stop crying like a bitch! The better team won.

[alon504]

Spurs fans are acting like Suns fans. I never thought it would happen.

??? I am rooting for the Spurs, but, you've got some New Orleans and Hornets here. Don't use the "Spurs fans," cop-out. Call me an NBA fan that happens to be rooting for the Spurs. With that said, the "Spurs fans" are justified in their arguments. You're not finished hearing about this just on this board. Trust.

[ballhog]

manu's 3 wasnt a 3...goaltending wasnt goaltending and fishers shot hit the rim....nuff said.

With all the refs help, spurs still couldnt win.

You were lucky to win. All those over-the-backs by Gasol--ridiculous. Show me a picture of the shot hitting the rim.

[watertorture]

how many times has a official called a foul at the end of the game. plus that would been a 2 ft foul where had he made both it would gone to ot where lakers would own up the fatigued strucken spurs

Why do the refs stay on the court if they shouldn't call fouls at the end of the game?

As to the "we would have beaten the fatigued spurs" excuses, the ref calls the foul, the players have to make free throws, the game isn't decided before they play.

[Harry Callahan]

Reggie Miller: "Good no-call. He put the ball down on a dribble instead of shooting."


Where is Reggie Miller from? Where did Miller go to college? That's right, Los Angeles.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

i'm not trying to be fair...i'm not trying to make friends....i've been gulping down this bullshit chowder from these fools for a week...laker pie in the face spurs fan's.......in the immortal words of evita peron "don't cry for me san antonio you were suppossed to have been immortal"...wrong you are dead...i'm going to chick hearn's grave tonight and tell him how goofy all you spur bastards are.....whaaaaa we lost...whaaaa joey crawford....whaaa my sister won't do me anymore...whaaaa it hurts when i pee

you are worse than your peers really - you truly excel at being worse than them.

[spurscenter]

Refs Should Be Neutral Period

Not Call Or Call Based On Flow OF Games

They Are There To Call Fouls Not Dictate Games.

[WCFBaby]

No, its not hilarious. It's disrespectful, childish, and Ignorant. Guys like you make us real Laker fans look like chumps. You are an embarrassment to the Lakers, LA, true fans of sport, and your family.

Winning with class is obviously something you children obviously havent learned yet. It's really sad.

Go back and crawl under your rock.

Lick my balls you bangwagoner!!!!

[The BBall HoBo]

I would just like to add that I want to slap Manu Ginobili upside the head so hard that his mama hears it in Buenos Aires.

Goodnight.

[Spurtacus]

I am so furious. Enough to register here tonight. This was clearly a foul.

[jmill]

I am so furious. Enough to register here tonight. This was clearly a foul.

And Fishers shot clearly hit the rim.

[Spurtacus]

And Fishers shot clearly hit the rim.

Yes it did. Did I say otherwise? NO!

[TheMACHINE]

Was this game broadcast on any other channel besides TNT, because I still haven't seen this so-called rim shot by Fisher.

DVR is ur friend

[cobbler]

Was this game broadcast on any other channel besides TNT, because I still haven't seen this so-called rim shot by Fisher.

They clearly showed it on TNT after the game when they were interviewing Jackson. Check it out.

[jmill]

Refs Should Be Neutral Period

Not Call Or Call Based On Flow OF Games

They Are There To Call Fouls Not Dictate Games.

- Spurs have shot more FTs this series
- Kobe has shot 6 FTs in 4 games, 0 tonight.
- Fishers shot hit the rim and was a blown no call in favor of the Spurs.

[Lakers08Champs]

Both Pop and Berry both admitted that it was a good no call. Plus the ball had hit the rim (clearly from the replay) on the possession before when Fish shot it and the Refs missed that, forcing us to hoist up a desperation shot.

The guys on TNT all agreed that this was a good non call.

There were many poor calls on the Lakers tonight as a whole (and some on the Spurs too).

Spurs were 7-24(29.2%) from behind the arc. Lakers could have won the first half by at least 12-14 points but the referees kept the spurs in game with some BS calls.

Sorry but the Lakers won that game, not the refs!!

[spurscenter]

this is funny, found on Youtube

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[Spurtacus]

- Spurs have shot more FTs this series
- Kobe has shot 6 FTs in 4 games, 0 tonight.
- Fishers shot hit the rim and was a blown no call in favor of the Spurs.

Odom fouled Tony Parker on the goaltending call.

[jmill]

See if I was a Spurs fan I would be pissed too, but I would never try to blame that one call on this game.

That's why Lakers fan's "troll", because you can just give the Lakers an ounce of credit, ever.

[pinocchiobli]

No, its not hilarious. It's disrespectful, childish, and Ignorant. Guys like you make us real Laker fans look like chumps. You are an embarrassment to the Lakers, LA, true fans of sport, and your family.

Winning with class is obviously something you children obviously havent learned yet. It's really sad.

Go back and crawl under your rock.

oh shut the fuck up who are you the pope..this isn't town meeting dickhead..this is me shoving a spponful of revenge down the gullets of these fools..i'll crawl under my rock after i throw it at your head....geez..get a grip..like this is some political debate...i'll be gone after tonight just like the spurs....your right though my family is truly ashamed my 4 posts on spurstalk?????

[clambake]

ball hit the rim.

off horry's leg out of bounds.

should have been new shot clock, laker ball.

that is all.

[Fabbs]

They clearly showed it on TNT after the game when they were interviewing Jackson. Check it out.
Horry clearly fouled by Gasol who is hooking and pinning his arm. Only reason Horry did not grab the rebound and it bounced off his knee.
Laker myopia.:downspin:

[cobbler]

Joey Crawford totally decided how that game was going to end instead of just calling the game.

Last i looked. There are 3 refs on the floor. Yet you keep bringing up only Crawford.

Go listen to Timmy's post game interview and learn how to be a man.

Get over it.

[1Parker1]

:lmao Laker fans if the situation was reversed would you not:

a) Be outraged that the officials didn't make that call if it were say Kobe?
b) Surprised and shocked they didn't make that call because it was Kobe?

[DazedAndConfused]

The only way to settle this is for someone to produce video evidence of all the blown calls in that last minute.

[1Parker1]

P.S It's nice to know Derek Fisher can do no wrong in the eyes of the league. :pctoss

[Zero Point Four]

Craig Sager: "What happened on that last play? Did Brent Barry get fouled?"

Manu Ginobili: "I don't know. It's hard to tell. I haven't watched it yet. It was kind of a close call."

"But we ran a good play - Kind of knew Kobe was going to switch on the screen on Brent - but Fisher had to make a great read coming from the weak side, all the way from Michael Finley on the other side. It kind of bothered him in taking that shot, so it was a good read, and I think it was a good play, too."

[pinocchiobli]

you are worse than your peers really - you truly excel at being worse than them.

well that is the 1st intelligent thing any of you has said tonight..except wcf...he knows what's up

[Spurtacus]

ball hit the rim.

off horry's leg out of bounds.

should have been new shot clock, laker ball.

that is all.

And Spurs would have fouled the Lakers on the inbound. 4 seconds would have been left on the clock. Your point?

[Dim Tuncan]

Waaah, waaah, the refs didn't bail us out like they did when we won our fake, boring, undramatic, league-manufactured titles :lmao

Barry hooked him. Should have been an offensive foul. I realize it's a bit unreasonable to be as unbiased and impartial as I am, but that's what you Spurs fans should strive for :lmao

[jmill]

And Spurs would have fouled the Lakers on the inbound. 4 seconds would have been left on the clock. Your point?

It would have been a 4pt game.

[DD]

P.S It's nice to know Derek Fisher can do no wrong in the eyes of the league. :pctoss

yet we wont reset the clock when his shot hits the rim??? hmm, sleep it off, chief

[Lakers08Champs]

P.S It's nice to know Derek Fisher can do no wrong in the eyes of the league. :pctoss

yah keep crying. :sleep

[Spurtacus]

Waaah, waaah, the refs didn't bail us out like they did when we won out fake, boring, undramatic, league-manufactured titles :lmao

Barry hooked him. Should have been an offensive foul. I realize it's a bit unreasonable to be as unbiased and impartial as I am, but that's what you Spurs fans should strive for :lmao

Miss this I suppose?

:lobt:

[cobbler]

Lick my balls you bangwagoner!!!!

Classy post! And as you are watching game 5 in your doublewide, I'll be sitting in my 25 year old bandwagon season seats. Guys like you make us real laker fans look like jerks and it's a real shame.

[jmill]

Miss this I suppose?

:lobt:

We only have 14. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[ballhog]

If Kobe is taking that last shot.....automatic foul. Look at Fisher on that play, he knew he just about made a monumental fuckup.

[jmill]

Classy post! And as you are watching game 5 in your doublewide, I'll be sitting in my 25 year old bandwagon season seats. Guys like you make us real laker fans look like jerks and it's a real shame.

So jealous you get to go to the game.

[clambake]

And Spurs would have fouled the Lakers on the inbound. 4 seconds would have been left on the clock. Your point?

not to avoid the obvious first mistake. they get the ball to kobe and three wouldn't have helped.

[watertorture]

And Fishers shot clearly hit the rim.

It didn't "clearly" hit the rim until everyone watched on Youtube a dozen times. You can't expect the refs to make that call.

What clearly happened is that this game ended tainted because there was clearly a foul that wasn't called on the final play that could have tied not only the game but the series. Yes, it was not automatic Barry would have hit 2 free throws or that the Spurs would have won in overtime, but you let the players decide the game. That should be expected.

Pop and his players take a no excuses attitude into each new game (Tim played with 103 fever and wouldn't admit it).

For anyone to say that this is just whining or should be dropped immediately by Spurs fans or other NBA fans is simply ridiculous.

[DD]

Miss this I suppose?

:lobt:

yeah, we'll be taking that from you this year. I hope all the kids in south america enjoy your "back-to-back" shirts.

[jmill]

If Kobe is taking that last shot.....automatic foul. Look at Fisher on that play, he knew he just about made a monumental fuckup.

If Manu is taking that shot he gets 3 FTs everytime

Kobe has 6 FTs in 4 games. 1 FT on 52 shots in SA. One on 52 shots. Seriously.

Nothing is automatic for him in this series regarding getting a foul call

[DazedAndConfused]

Ok guys we have video evidence of the Lamar Odom clean block that was called for a goal tend. You can clearly see he did not foul him at all and he got the block before the ball hit the rim. It is extremely close though, can't fault the official for making the call he made.

JvQFQoTOPQ8

[DD]

It didn't "clearly" hit the rim until everyone watched on Youtube a dozen times. You can't expect the refs to make that call.

What clearly happened is that this game ended tainted because there was clearly a foul that wasn't called on the final play that could have tied not only the game but the series. Yes, it was not automatic Barry would have hit 2 free throws or that the Spurs would have won in overtime, but you let the players decide the game. That should be expected.

Pop and his players take a no excuses attitude into each new game (Tim played with 103 fever and wouldn't admit it).

For anyone to say that this is just whining or should be dropped immediately by Spurs fans or other NBA fans is simply ridiculous.


No, you just can't have it your way and deny the other calls. It goes both ways

[cobbler]

oh shut the fuck up who are you the pope..this isn't town meeting dickhead..this is me shoving a spponful of revenge down the gullets of these fools..i'll crawl under my rock after i throw it at your head....geez..get a grip..like this is some political debate...i'll be gone after tonight just like the spurs....your right though my family is truly ashamed my 4 posts on spurstalk?????

No, if this is how you behave when you win, your family obviously hasnt taught you anything about winning with class. If they have, then YES, you are an embarrassment to them regardless if they see the posts or not. You just plain dont represent anybody or anything well. You talk about how you have taken shit all week then you turn around and lower yourself to that level. Ignorant people do that.

[efrem1]

This just in. I just finished watching the 10 p.m. news at the CBS affiliate in Phoenix. Those assholes (the news team) commented that it was a foul but they go on to say "what comes around goes around for San Antonio." Here to no titles until the end of time Phoenix!! :bang

[DazedAndConfused]

Spur fan wants to have it both ways. He wants to ignore the calls against the Lakers and only focus on the last call. Hypocrisy at its finest. You should all quit while your ahead, as the video evidence keeps coming you look more and more pathetic.

[pinocchiobli]

i'm sorry spurs fans....and you too classy laker fans....this is what i meant to say
rousing match my southwestern brothers! i enjoyed the hard fought competition and the chess like strategy employed by the coaches. you guys are a tough, well rounded team...i almost wish i was a spus fan. i'm going to wish upon a falling star that i can go back in time and make the game a tie..that way we can both go to bed happy..not just me.....good luck in the offseason and see you bright and early this fall for more rousing spurstalk.

[T Park]

I have no life. I continue to troll a Spurs board because I can't get a date. Shoot me please.

[jmill]

Ok guys we have video evidence of the Lamar Odom clean block that was called for a goal tend. You can clearly see he did not foul him at all and he got the block before the ball hit the rim. It is extremely close though, can't fault the official for making the call he made.

JvQFQoTOPQ8

lol yea

This is not a goaltend

[Trainwreck2100]

Craig Sager: "What happened on that last play? Did Brent Barry get fouled?"

Manu Ginobili: "I don't know. It's hard to tell. I haven't watched it yet. It was kind of a close call."

"But we ran a good play - Kind of knew Kobe was going to switch on the screen on Brent - but Fisher had to make a great read coming from the weak side, all the way from Michael Finley on the other side. It kind of bothered him in taking that shot, so it was a good read, and I think it was a good play, too."

They're not going to call out the refs like your pussy ass coach does

[Dim Tuncan]

Do you Spur retards realize you shouldn't have had possession because Fisher's shot hit the rim? Should have been Lakers ball. Oh well, Duncan gets away with a travel, Odom gets a clean block and its called a goaltend, Kobe gets mugged by Bowen, Fisher hits the rim but no reset.... NO CALLS, NO PROBLEM, LAKERS UP 3-1 IN SPITE OF THE LEAGUE'S BLATANT BIAS AGAINST THE LAKERS, BOOYA!

[DazedAndConfused]

It's funny how they keep ignoring the video evidence we are producing. They can't accept the fact that the refs weren't the reason they lost this game. The Lakers flat out outplayed them this game.

[watertorture]

Ok guys we have video evidence of the Lamar Odom clean block that was called for a goal tend. You can clearly see he did not foul him at all and he got the block before the ball hit the rim. It is extremely close though, can't fault the official for making the call he made.

JvQFQoTOPQ8

Well, live it looked like Parker was pushed from behind 2 rows deep and the video seems to confirm that.

[Dopey310]

Ok guys we have video evidence of the Lamar Odom clean block that was called for a goal tend. You can clearly see he did not foul him at all and he got the block before the ball hit the rim. It is extremely close though, can't fault the official for making the call he made.

JvQFQoTOPQ8


Clearly a block. He's allowed to pin the ball on the backboard. Spurs got 3 biased calls to even get to that Barry shot.

1. Odom's block on Parker.
2. Manu's feet on the line.
3. Fisher's shot hit's the rim, shot clock should have reset, Lakers ball.

[Dim Tuncan]

It's funny how they keep ignoring the video evidence we are producing. They can't accept the fact that the refs weren't the reason they lost this game. The Lakers flat out outplayed them this game.

Great post and great point. Too bad it will likely go over the head of any Spurs fan who reads it. The calls have definitely favored their team this series.

READ AND ACCEPT, Spurs fans: Barry didn't allow Fisher to come down, and by moving to the right before he shot the ball, it became a no call. Boo hoo. No repeat. Your team will not go down as one of the all-time greats. Man up and deal with it.

[pinocchiobli]

No, if this is how you behave when you win, your family obviously hasnt taught you anything about winning with class. If they have, then YES, you are an embarrassment to them regardless if they see the posts or not. You just plain dont represent anybody or anything well. You talk about how you have taken shit all week then you turn around and lower yourself to that level. Ignorant people do that.

boy you are dr fucking phil aren't you....i'm going to rethink my life tonight...i want you to like me so i will change..i'm sorry....give me 1 more chance...i will fly to san antonio tonight and pass out lakers gear like purple ghandi....get off your high horse...if you are going to judge people by this stupid fuckng website then i think your family should be embarrassed...a pilospher knows othing, but he knows that he knows nothing...you must be one helluva philospher

[Dopey310]

Seriously, how can they complain when Bowen got away with a much more blatant foul in the finals?

[Spurtacus]

Do you Spur retards realize you shouldn't have had possession because Fisher's shot hit the rim? Should have been Lakers ball. Oh well, Duncan gets away with a travel, Odom gets a clean block and its called a goaltend, Kobe gets mugged by Bowen, Fisher hits the rim but no reset.... NO CALLS, NO PROBLEM, LAKERS UP 3-1 IN SPITE OF THE LEAGUE'S BLATANT BIAS AGAINST THE LAKERS, BOOYA!

Do you faker realize that there was still time left on the clock for a possession? Of course not. Sounds like you have a big bias opinion there. And you call us whiners? Read your post again.

[theotherguy]

I wasn't looking for this before because I, like everybody else was so focused on the contact, however...

if you watch the replay, it sure looks like Barry travels prior to contact - he establishes his right foot as the pivot foot. He fakes the shot. He picks up his right foot (his pivot foot), then dribbles into Fisher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

[cobbler]

boy you are dr fucking phil aren't you....i'm going to rethink my life tonight...i want you to like me so i will change..i'm sorry....give me 1 more chance...i will fly to san antonio tonight and pass out lakers gear like purple ghandi....get off your high horse...if you are going to judge people by this stupid fuckng website then i think your family should be embarrassed...a pilospher knows othing, but he knows that he knows nothing...you must be one helluva philospher

Yes i am, Thank YOU.

[ballhog]

Looks like a good block but a foul on Odom. Either or.

[Dim Tuncan]

boy you are dr fucking phil aren't you....i'm going to rethink my life tonight...i want you to like me so i will change..i'm sorry....give me 1 more chance...i will fly to san antonio tonight and pass out lakers gear like purple ghandi....get off your high horse...if you are going to judge people by this stupid fuckng website then i think your family should be embarrassed...a pilospher knows othing, but he knows that he knows nothing...you must be one helluva philospher

Priceless :lmao

I think Spurs fans are largely in need of some intensive counseling sessions. It's really creepy how seriously they take this. "Show some balls, wager all of your vBookie points on the next game." WOooooow, way to go all in! How are you gonna pay rent and feed your kids if you lose all of your vBookie points?

:lmao

[toosmallshoes]

Where's the official "Why did Pop take Barry out of the game for about five minutes in the fourth quarter and replace him with Manu Ginobili who may as well have been on injured reserve?" thread? :depressed

[Zero Point Four]

I am so furious. Enough to register here tonight. This was clearly a foul.

Not according to Pop.

Not according to Duncan.

Not according to Manu.

Not according to Barry.


Lose with dignity.

Lose with class.

Lose with your chin held high.

But lose.

[jmill]

Not according to Pop.

Not according to Duncan.

Not according to Manu.

Not according to Barry.


Lose with dignity.

Lose with class.

Lose with your chin held high.

But lose.


Seriously.

[Spurtacus]

Not according to Pop.

Not according to Duncan.

Not according to Manu.

Not according to Barry.


Lose with dignity.

Lose with class.

Lose with your chin held high.

But lose.


Pop does not call out the refs. Manu and Barry have class. The Spurs are a very class organization. I can't say the same for many other organizations and players.

[Dopey310]

Do you faker realize that there was still time left on the clock for a possession? Of course not. Sounds like you have a big bias opinion there. And you call us whiners? Read your post again.

Do you realize the complexion of the game would've completely changed if they made the right call on that possession. Spurs would be forced to foul and most likely down by 4 with approximately 3 seconds left. Refs did not decide this game. Spurs lost.

[cobbler]

I wasn't looking for this before because I, like everybody else was so focused on the contact, however...

if you watch the replay, it sure looks like Barry travels prior to contact - he establishes his right foot as the pivot foot. He fakes the shot. He picks up his right foot (his pivot foot), then dribbles into Fisher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

Wow, good eyes. But thats really too close to call in real time situation. But great eyes to see that.

We gat the W, thats all the matters. Were going to hear the sour grapes for 2 days no doubt.

[DazedAndConfused]

I'm disappointed the game had to end like this because the Lakers came to play tonight and flat out beat the Spurs on their home floor, something no team has been able to do in this post season. They deserved to be praised and applauded for their hard work but instead we'll have to listen to media hacks debate this last call for the next 2 days.

[T Park]

I'm disappointed I can't get a date because women think that guys that are 32 and live in their own basement are not cool.

[ballhog]

Do you realize the complexion of the game would've completely changed if they made the right call on that possession. Spurs would be forced to foul and most likely down by 4 with approximately 3 seconds left. Refs did not decide this game. Spurs lost.

Lakers won. Now leave. You wanna dissect every call... go ahead. Waste your own time.

[Don_In_Redondo]

I wasn't looking for this before because I, like everybody else was so focused on the contact, however...

if you watch the replay, it sure looks like Barry travels prior to contact - he establishes his right foot as the pivot foot. He fakes the shot. He picks up his right foot (his pivot foot), then dribbles into Fisher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

Holy cow, you're right!

Barry clearly takes steps with both feet, moving the pivot foot well before Fisher comes down on him.

Good eye!

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:: lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:


...and #15 coming :lobt2:

[Zero Point Four]

Who has video of Duncan doing the Texas Multi-step on the dunk?

[DazedAndConfused]

A friend of mine made a very good point. He said, "You live by the calls you die by the calls". The only thing keeping the Spurs in this game was their free throws tonight, the Lakers were clearly the aggressors and were not waiting for the refs to bail them out on any play.

[Spurtacus]

Do you realize the complexion of the game would've completely changed if they made the right call on that possession. Spurs would be forced to foul and most likely down by 4 with approximately 3 seconds left. Refs did not decide this game. Spurs lost.

Do you realize that you are assuming that the Spurs would have been down by 4? What if only one free throw was knocked down? Then the Spurs would have had an extra second (maybe two) on their possession. Do you realize Pop may have called a different play with an extra second? As we all know, a lot can happen in a second (and .4 apparently).

I never said the refs decided this game. I feel like this was a bad call. There were many bad calls for both sides in this game.

[2centsworth]

I'm disappointed the game had to end like this because the Lakers came to play tonight and flat out beat the Spurs on their home floor, something no team has been able to do in this post season. They deserved to be praised and applauded for their hard work but instead we'll have to listen to media hacks debate this last call for the next 2 days.

that has to be your best post ever.
Lakers deserved to be praised. The Spurs deserved the opportunity to tie it up. NBA fans deserved a potentially miraculous finish. Joey Crawford instead decided to be God.

[2centsworth]

It's funny how they keep ignoring the video evidence we are producing. They can't accept the fact that the refs weren't the reason they lost this game. The Lakers flat out outplayed them this game. I'm not blaming the loss on the "play".
However, the "play" robbed both sides. Nevertheless, if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't care about being robbed of praise. 3-1 would make me forget just about anything. A championship and I could careless what anyone thinks.

[DfishSuperfan]

No, if this is how you behave when you win, your family obviously hasnt taught you anything about winning with class. If they have, then YES, you are an embarrassment to them regardless if they see the posts or not. You just plain dont represent anybody or anything well. You talk about how you have taken shit all week then you turn around and lower yourself to that level. Ignorant people do that.


Part of being a fan is trashing talking.... So I don't see what's wrong with doing it. If you want to be a nice guy who wins graciously with out rubbing it in, then go ahead and go that rout. But don't down talk someone for going the other rout. God damn it's just a forum. Since you want to tell people how they should act, I'm going to go ahead and say you're a little wuss.

[DazedAndConfused]

I'm not blaming the loss on the "play".
However, the "play" robbed both sides. Nevertheless, if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't care about being robbed of praise. 3-1 would make me forget just about anything. A championship and I could careless what anyone thinks.

You can't complain about the refs when they gave you several calls in your favor to even put you in that position. That's pure hypocrisy.

[Spurtacus]

Ok...I'll partially admit that it looks like Barry traveled. But, if the refs are going to call that, then how about calling Kobe's pushoffs this series? I can't recall him being called once for a pushoff.

[O-Factor]

You were gift-wrapped the entire 1st quarter. The Lakers were the better team tonight and they deserved to win.

I have to agree with douchebag here. Even though that was a foul on Barry, the Lakers were the better team tonight.

[Dopey310]

Ok...I'll partially admit that it looks like Barry traveled. But, if the refs are going to call that, then how about calling Kobe's pushoffs this series? I can't recall him being called once for a pushoff.

Dude, Kobe's averaging 1.5 free throws a game. He's not getting the calls.

[homer]

Ok guys we have video evidence of the Lamar Odom clean block that was called for a goal tend. You can clearly see he did not foul him at all and he got the block before the ball hit the rim. It is extremely close though, can't fault the official for making the call he made.

JvQFQoTOPQ8

:nope Your own evidence shows the ball hitting the backboard first, headed towards the basket before Odumb traps it, clearly a goal tend, then Odumb lands on Parkers' back, clearly a foul. thanx for proving it.:lol

[Spurtacus]

Dude, Kobe's averaging 1.5 free throws a game. He's not getting the calls.

And he's not getting called for fouls either.

[Strike]

OK you are down by four and Barry shoots 3 shots IF the refs make that call. You STILL lose by one... HELLO??

It was a 2 point game. You fail.

[jamisont]

so many bad calls in last minute, and spurs got only 1 at the end.
Fisher's airball hit the rim. (if calls were called right, lakers keep the possesion till end of game, so spurs had to foul)
Odom's block was clean. (I checked it frame by frame, spurs got benefit of doubt)
Barry was fouled by fisher, but most of time last shot wont be called most of time. refs let players to decide.

[Dim Tuncan]

It was a 2 point game. You fail.

The miniscule contact was before the shot. Hence, two FTs instead of three. YOU fail.

[Dopey310]

And he's not getting called for fouls either.

You think they've called every single handcheck Bowen's committed on Kobe this series? Please. :sleep

[jamisont]

:nope Your own evidence shows the ball hitting the backboard first, headed towards the basket before Odumb traps it, clearly a goal tend, then Odumb lands on Parkers' back, clearly a foul. thanx for proving it.:lol

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture5uf3.png
frame by frame. odom hit the ball first before ball hit the board.

[CarefreeAZ]

Ok...I'll partially admit that it looks like Barry traveled. But, if the refs are going to call that, then how about calling Kobe's pushoffs this series? I can't recall him being called once for a pushoff.

Now you know why Raja Bell leveled him a few years ago in the playoffs.

[pinocchiobli]

Part of being a fan is trashing talking.... So I don't see what's wrong with doing it. If you want to be a nice guy who wins graciously with out rubbing it in, then go ahead and go that rout. But don't down talk someone for going the other rout. God damn it's just a forum. Since you want to tell people how they should act, I'm going to go ahead and say you're a little wuss.

amen brother....1 team wins 1 team doesn't.......1 set of fans happy the other not....i could give a rat's ass if san antonio timmy is crying himself to sleep tonight cuz his holy spurs got beaten by those evil lakers,,,,funny how they jump my ass for trash talking when these dopes throw out the 'kobe is a rapist" line time after time.....the purple kingdom was looking a liitle violet recently..but as dylan says "the times they are a changing"..so i'm here tp proclaim it 'LAKER'S BEAT YOUR ASS WITHOUT BYNUM....NEXT YEAR WE'LL SWEEP YOU GERIATRIC FOOLS IN THE 1ST ROUND"..sorry if i show no class but i'm freakin' ecstatic

[SpursFan0728]

No need to dicuss pals

straight up foul and Crawford didn't have the balls to make the call

us spursfans need to suck it up and

Believe.

[WCFBaby]

Classy post! And as you are watching game 5 in your doublewide, I'll be sitting in my 25 year old bandwagon season seats. Guys like you make us real laker fans look like jerks and it's a real shame.

Ok Dicknose.....I believe you. Shit, you've never even been to the Fabulous Forum and sat with the 17,505 like I've done countless times. Run along now.

[Strike]

The miniscule contact was before the shot. Hence, two FTs instead of three. YOU fail.

Did I say anything about Barry being in the act of shooting? No, I didn't. Barry was not shooting when the contact took place. So, once again, you fail.

It was a 2 point game, LA was in the penalty. Had the foul been called, San Antonio's best free throw shooter would have had the opportunity to tie the game and send it to overtime.

The Spurs were CLEARLY outplayed and couldn't hit shots when it mattered. I won't dispute that. Had Barry taken a shot and missed with no contact on the play, I'd be ok with that. I can take a loss, but not like that.

[Tradition]

Gasol's missed free throws which would have put LA up by 8 or 9 pts, Kobes stupid decision to go for a layup that early in the shot clock, are a few of the reasons why the spurs were even fortunate enough to be in this position.

If a few of those brain farts dont happen, this game ends with the Lakers winning by 7-10 points and the spurs not even being in this situation.

[Spurtacus]

Did I say anything about Barry being in the act of shooting? No, I didn't. Barry was not shooting when the contact took place. So, once again, you fail.

It was a 2 point game, LA was in the penalty. Had the foul been called, San Antonio's best free throw shooter would have had the opportunity to tie the game and send it to overtime.

The Spurs were CLEARLY outplayed and couldn't hit shots when it mattered. I won't dispute that. Had Barry taken a shot and missed with no contact on the play, I'd be ok with that. I can take a loss, but not like that.

Well said. Exactly the reason why I registered tonight. I've seen plenty of losses, but to go out like that tonight...not right.

[DazedAndConfused]

Did I say anything about Barry being in the act of shooting? No, I didn't. Barry was not shooting when the contact took place. So, once again, you fail.

It was a 2 point game, LA was in the penalty. Had the foul been called, San Antonio's best free throw shooter would have had the opportunity to tie the game and send it to overtime.

The Spurs were CLEARLY outplayed and couldn't hit shots when it mattered. I won't dispute that. Had Barry taken a shot and missed with no contact on the play, I'd be ok with that. I can take a loss, but not like that.

Ignore the fact that Odom got a clean block on Parker. Ignore the fact that Fisher's shot hit the rim. Ignore the fact that the refs giftwrapped you that 1st quarter. Pretty much ignore everything that would make you see the reality of the situation that the Lakers outplayed the Spurs all night.

[UV Ray]

:lmao You actually think the Spurs are like Phil Jackson and his whiny, bitchy teams? Pop is never, ever, ever going to call out publicly on something like that.

You can bet your ass privately though, he's going to send this tape and a letter to the league.

Like a sneaky little bitch.

[Spurtacus]

Gasol's missed free throws which would have put LA up by 8 or 9 pts, Kobes stupid decision to go for a layup that early in the shot clock, are a few of the reasons why the spurs were even fortunate enough to be in this position.

If a few of those brain farts dont happen, this game ends with the Lakers winning by 7-10 points and the spurs not even being in this situation.

Duncan missed a layup.

Parker missed a layup.

Barry missed an open three.

Manu missed an open three.

10 points!

EXCUSES ARE NOT RESULTS. Get the picture?

[2centsworth]

You can't complain about the refs when they gave you several calls in your favor to even put you in that position. That's pure hypocrisy.

this is where you're out of your freakin mind. We can argue all day that Odom went over Tims back and Brent somehow got a phantom call or that Fish's shot hit the rim, or that Tony deserved an and1 (you say it was a clean block which makes you an idiot), but the fact is that Brent was obviously fouled on the last play to decide the game.

The only point i will concede is that the best team will win a 7 games series. Feel better?

[Strike]

Ignore the fact that Odom got a clean block on Parker. Ignore the fact that Fisher's shot hit the rim. Ignore the fact that the refs giftwrapped you that 1st quarter. Pretty much ignore everything that would make you see the reality of the situation that the Lakers outplayed the Spurs all night.

Are you blind, stupid, illiterate or a combination of all three? Did I not say the Spurs were CLEARLY outplayed? You could have at least taken that sentence out of my quote so that your post had a chance of holding a drop of water.

[Tradition]

Duncan missed a layup.

Parker missed a layup.

Barry missed an open three.

Manu missed an open three.

10 points!

EXCUSES ARE NOT RESULTS. Get the picture?


Not making any excuses. Im just being honest. Gasol's 2 missed free throws kept the spurs in the game. It happens. I dont need to worry about the excuses. As you said they arent results and I am glad they arent because the current results say Lakers 3 Spurs 1 and game 5 is back in Los Angeles!:toast

[2centsworth]

Ignore the fact that Odom got a clean block on Parker

stop arguing this point. You're wrong, plain and simple. the ball hit the backboard first.

[DazedAndConfused]

this is where you're out of your freakin mind. We can argue all day that Odom went over Tims back and Brent somehow got a phantom call or that Fish's shot hit the rim, or that Tony deserved an and1 (you say it was a clean block which makes you an idiot), but the fact is that Brent was obviously fouled on the last play to decide the game.

The only point i will concede is that the best team will win a 7 games series. Feel better?

Get out of here with that weak shit.

You're completely ignoring calls that would have made Barry's end of the game play NONEXISTENT. Fisher's shot hits the rim, LA likely goes up by 4 points ICING the game.

[jamisont]

stop arguing this point. You're wrong, plain and simple. the ball hit the backboard first.

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture5uf3.png

check again, odom hit the ball first.

[DazedAndConfused]

stop arguing this point. You're wrong, plain and simple. the ball hit the backboard first.

No it didnt you blind fuck. Go watch the video I posted. Odom clearly gets it before it hits the backboard.

[Spurtacus]

Get out of here with that weak shit.

You're completely ignoring calls that would have made Barry's end of the game play NONEXISTENT. Fisher's shot hits the rim, LA likely goes up by 4 points ICING the game.

Your clearly assuming that both free throws would be made. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

[jamisont]

Get out of here with that weak shit.

You're completely ignoring calls that would have made Barry's end of the game play NONEXISTENT. Fisher's shot hits the rim, LA likely goes up by 4 points ICING the game.

he doesnt even know the bball rule.
after blocking a shot, body contact after that doesnt count.

[timvp]

This crap is deja vu. After the .4 debacle, the Laker fans were saying "yeah bad call but there should have been .8 on the clock".

When a game comes down to one final call, that's the call to look at. You can start back tracking to try to even it up. Barry got fouled. Crawford didn't blow the whistle. Game over.

On to Game 5.

[sabar]

Why wasn't 2006 semis a no-call? Manu didn't even alter the shot. I guess Dirk stuck his tongue out to "sell" the call.

[DazedAndConfused]

This crap is deja vu. After the .4 debacle, the Laker fans were saying "yeah bad call but there should have been .8 on the clock".

When a game comes down to one final call, that's the call to look at. You can start back tracking to try to even it up. Barry got fouled. Crawford didn't blow the whistle. Game over.

On to Game 5.

Same as '04. Whiny ass Spur fan crying in the summer. You and your fanbase are no better than the Suns fans you completely ridiculed over the Amare suspension last season.

[2centsworth]

No it didnt you blind fuck. Go watch the video I posted. Odom clearly gets it before it hits the backboard.


what video? I just see the worst picture ever.

[2centsworth]

Same as '04. Whiny ass Spur fan crying in the summer. You and your fanbase are no better than the Suns fans you completely ridiculed over the Amare suspension last season.

Do you even notice the contradictions?

[timvp]

Same as '04. Whiny ass Spur fan crying in the summer. You and your fanbase are no better than the Suns fans you completely ridiculed over the Amare suspension last season.Whiny? I'm not complaining. Whistle didn't come. Game over. Lakers win. Props on the win.

On to Game 5. What do you want me to do? Bend over in an hotel room in Colorado?

[DazedAndConfused]

Whiny? I'm not complaining. Whistle didn't come. Game over. Lakers win. Props on the win.

On to Game 5. What do you want me to do? Bend over in an hotel room in Colorado?

It would be nice if one Spur fan admitted the Lakers outplayed the Spurs and that is the reason they won this game.

[samikeyp]

Same as '04. Whiny ass Spur fan crying in the summer. You and your fanbase are no better than the Suns fans you completely ridiculed over the Amare suspension last season.

And the generalizations continue. :whine

[odogg726]

Barry got fouled. Crawford didn't blow the whistle.


You guys say that as if Joey Crawford owes you guys something. Keep in mind there were 2 other referees on the floor as well.

[2centsworth]

It would be nice if one Spur fan admitted the Lakers outplayed the Spurs and that is the reason they won this game.

they outplayed the Spurs, but the spurs could have stole one. Lakers have been the better team thus far and that's as much as I can give you.

[Al13]

i can´t believe you guys complain about that so called no call, barry was clearly tryin to get around fisher after he went airborne, if you wanna get a call you jump into him, didn´t happen, kobe was hacked time after time after time in the paint today NO CALLS and he is the best player in the world , so how can they give a foul to barry who was just traded away by the spurs and didn´t even have any kind of business to be on that team anymore, anyways season is over 1-4

[timvp]

It would be nice if one Spur fan admitted the Lakers outplayed the Spurs and that is the reason they won this game.The team that "outplays" the other team doesn't always win. The Spurs "outplayed" the Lakers in Game 1 but the Lakers won. The Lakers "outplayed" the Spurs tonight and they won. But teams can play worse and still win. That's what the Spurs have done in the past in the playoffs. Play like crap and still find a way to win.

But seeing as you're a 12-year-old Rocket Fan who just happened to jump on the Lakers bandwagon because you saw them on SportsCenter, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

[2centsworth]

You guys say that as if Joey Crawford owes you guys something. Keep in mind there were 2 other referees on the floor as well.

Joey was at the top of the key and it was his call to make. All the more shady. I'm not trying to slight the Lakers at all, because not only have they played better but they have also been pretty classy too.

[jman3000]

i recorded it myself at the game and after watching it literally about 100 times i found the contact to be sufficient enough to warrant a foul... i didnt even want or think he deserved 3 free throws... but it should have been 2 shots.

[cobbler]

Im wondering if all you whiners were saying the same thing last year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwO7m-1T9DE&eurl=http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97082&page=20

[LALakersN9Rings]

yeah barry got bumped,,,i dont know about fouled but all you crying spurs fans better go back 2 seconds when fisher took a shot that grazed the rim and instead of kobe taking a shot with 2 seconds on the 24 we should of got the ball back with a brand new 24 second clock which you all would of fouled ,,so what goes around comes around,,,dont cry now

[jman3000]

and fuck the fans who left with 3 minutes to go... fuck them all to hell... down 9 with 3 mins to go and you think it's a guaranteed loss?

the fans dont deserve for the spurs to win if that's how they're gonna act.... i literally witnessed about 3,000 people leave at the 3 minute mark and it pissed me off to no end.

[pakzz]

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LMAO :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Spurtacus]

It would be nice if one Spur fan admitted the Lakers outplayed the Spurs and that is the reason they won this game.

Have you read the entire thread?

Hey, since I'm a nice guy, I'll admit that the Lakers played better the entire game. Are you happy now?

[DazedAndConfused]

The team that "outplays" the other team doesn't always win. The Spurs "outplayed" the Lakers in Game 1 but the Lakers won. The Lakers "outplayed" the Spurs tonight and they won. But teams can play worse and still win. That's what the Spurs have done in the past in the playoffs. Play like crap and still find a way to win.

But seeing as you're a 12-year-old Rocket Fan who just happened to jump on the Lakers bandwagon because you saw them on SportsCenter, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Wrong. The Spurs failed to show up for the 2nd half of Game 2, in typical Spurs fashion. They played for 2.5 quarters, which unfortunately is not enough to win basketball games.

The Lakers outplayed them in both Game 1 and 4. You're just a whiny bitch Spur fan who is really no different than a Sun fan last year.

[timvp]

Wrong. The Spurs failed to show up for the 2nd half of Game 2, in typical Spurs fashion. They played for 2.5 quarters, which unfortunately is not enough to win basketball games.

The Lakers outplayed them in both Game 1 and 4. You're just a whiny bitch Spur fan who is really no different than a Sun fan last year.ROFL. How bout dem Rockets?

[pakzz]

and fuck the fans who left with 3 minutes to go... fuck them all to hell... down 9 with 3 mins to go and you think it's a guaranteed loss?

the fans dont deserve for the spurs to win if that's how they're gonna act.... i literally witnessed about 3,000 people leave at the 3 minute mark and it pissed me off to no end.

bwahahahaha :lmao

you're a real fan dude :lol
you should be there to stop them from going outside :bang:lol

[KidCongo]

Im wondering if all you whiners were saying the same thing last year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwO7m-1T9DE&eurl=http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97082&page=20

That was a foul that should have been called as should the foul on Barry.

[DazedAndConfused]

ROFL. How bout dem Rockets?

How about dem Spurs? How about the end of anymore championship runs for the foreseeable future? How about the Lakers once again crushing SAS's title hopes? How about THAT bitch?

[cobbler]

That was a foul that should have been called as should the foul on Barry.

Ive said it was a foul on fisher. Not a shooting foul though.

[trjons]

Is this the official excuse?

Y'all trailed the entire game at home in a must win game. You got out hustled, out boarded, and yet still amazingly got more FTs. The best player in the league got zero fts again...and you want to whine about the one call you didn't get?

[Brutalis]

Never seen someone run over so many people and act so off the wall than Dazed and not be banned or pinked.

Lakers got bailed out in the end. Oh well, the 24sec thing was a break for us, so we traded.

[samikeyp]

Is this the official excuse?

Y'all trailed the entire game at home in a must win game. You got out hustled, out boarded, and yet still amazingly got more FTs. The best player in the league got zero fts again...and you want to whine about the one call you didn't get?

"ya'll" "you" :lmao

[Spurtacus]

How about dem Spurs? How about the end of anymore championship runs for the foreseeable future? How about the Lakers once again crushing SAS's title hopes? How about THAT bitch?

Don't you have a Lakers message board to post on? Quit jerking off over here.

[Brutalis]

We got a gift with that call that scored the two to make us down two.

The ball hit the rim and the refs called shot clock violation anyways and gave us the ball.

We got a gift.

Derek Fisher fouled Barry on the last shot of the game. He should not have to sell the foul to get it called. But it wasn't called.

A gift to the Lakers.

They offset each other.

I know Crawfish screwed us in Game 5 against NOH.

But he didn't do shit tonight other than let contact at the rim go with Duncan in the final 5 mins.

Spurs couldn't rebound, as usual Manu went to sleep. And Parker is just a here-there type player now. We lost so get over it.

[LakerLanny]

OK, forget the fact that Fisher made contact, obviously Barry traveled first anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWiw60NusOY

Not to mention that in the last minute alone you got a bogus goaltending call on Parker's layup, a 3 pointer by Manu where his foot was clearly on the line and then a bizarre no call when Fisher's shot with 5 seconds left hit the rim.

If that is called correctly, the clock is reset and you have to foul (most likely Kobe) and are down most likely 4 points or 3 points minimum with maybe 2 or 3 seconds left.

There is no way you can honestly believe the officials favored the Lakers tonight, does anyone really believe that? It was a biased fix job in your team's favor for the first 47 mins and 57 seconds of the game.

And Barry does travel, watch the video link above and tell me that isn't traveling.

[SPARKY]

How about dem Spurs? How about the end of anymore championship runs for the foreseeable future? How about the Lakers once again crushing SAS's title hopes? How about THAT bitch?

What a sad motherfucker. Gave up on his Rockets and spends his days and nights trolling this forum.

[Trainwreck2100]

did you not see the official thread?

[samikeyp]

OK, forget the fact that Fisher made contact, obviously Barry traveled first anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWiw60NusOY

Not to mention that in the last minute alone you got a bogus goaltending call on Parker's layup, a 3 pointer by Manu where his foot was clearly on the line and then a bizarre no call when Fisher's shot with 5 seconds left hit the rim.

If that is called correctly, the clock is reset and you have to foul (most likely Kobe) and are down most likely 4 points or 3 points minimum with maybe 2 or 3 seconds left.

There is no way you can honestly believe the officials favored the Lakers tonight, does anyone really believe that? It was a biased fix job in your team's favor for the first 47 mins and 57 seconds of the game.

And Barry does travel, watch the video link above and tell me that isn't traveling.

Says the guy that thinks every Laker loss is a conspiracy. :lol

[Dopey310]

It's weak. They know there were so many calls that were missed at the end to get the Spurs in that position. Refs favored the Spurs for majority of the game just to keep the score close. Every time Lakers made a run, Lakers would get handicapped on defense by ticky tack touch fouls. The worst part is, they got away with the EXACT same thing with Bowen last year yet no one of them will admit it.

[LakerLanny]

This crap is deja vu. After the .4 debacle, the Laker fans were saying "yeah bad call but there should have been .8 on the clock".

When a game comes down to one final call, that's the call to look at. You can start back tracking to try to even it up. Barry got fouled. Crawford didn't blow the whistle. Game over.

On to Game 5.


Come on Timvp. You are probably one of the most logical SA fans here.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWiw60NusOY

Does he move both feet before dribbling or not? If he does (which he does) as I am sure you know, that is traveling.

You are really begging to think you will get that call after all the breaks you got from the refs all game long.....honestly, if called impartially the Lakers win this one by 20+

[pakzz]

this thread should be named "Official Spurs Fans Whining Thread" :lol

[Brutalis]

Yep. All I see was typical whiny Spurfan moaning and groaning. Were you one of them too?

[Spurtacus]

this thread should be named "Official Spurs Fans Whining Thread" :lol

Hmm... I was thinking the "Official Lakers fans have no life so post on Spurs boards Thread".


Yeah...

[Trainwreck2100]

Yep. All I see was typical whiny Spurfan moaning and groaning. Were you one of them too?

A typical Spurfan thread dominated by the laker homers blathering the same crap that you posted for the last two hours.

[xtremesteven33]

Spurs fans should not be so upset at the refs no call at the end but rather the poor performance for about 45+ minutes from the spurs.

yea it stinks that barry got fouled and there was a no call but if we wouldve played just a little bit better we wouldnt be in that situation

[samikeyp]

Spurs fans should not be so upset at the refs no call at the end but rather the poor performance for about 45+ minutes from the spurs.

yea it stinks that barry got fouled and there was a no call but if we wouldve played just a little bit better we wouldnt be in that situation

+1

Agreed, good post.

[jamisont]

Joey Crowford should not ref in NBA and Im lakers fan. he's just bad.
What I hate most in sports with ref is that they make mistakes then give other team make up calls for that, causing more troubles and making games unwatchable.

[Harry Callahan]

In looking at the replay, it was a two shot foul on Fisher (Lakers were in the Penalty), and this "selling the foul" stuff is just stupid on the part of the TNT guys - they are better than that, but in the end those guys work for the league. Fisher hit Barry from above coming down because he got fooled by Barry's ball fake on the play. And Joey C swallows his whistle.

The ABC/ESPN announcers were all beside themselves when LeBron James did not get a call at the end of game 3 of the 07 finals with much less contact. On this one, Barry should have "sold it more"? Please. It's an obvious foul. The no call then prevents Barry from getting a clean look at a game winning shot.

How ironic it is that the play determining the Spurs 07-08 season in all likelihood is determined by Joey Crawford looking on as Derek Fisher fouls Barry?

Bill Simmons from the ESPN website predicted this very scenario before the playoffs even began - the Spurs getting hosed on a game ending "no call" play and Joey Crawford (of all people) is the official making the "non-call". Barry had no chance to even lauch an accurate shot because the defender ran into him.

The Spurs have a contentious history with Crawford. In the 2006 playoffs against the Mavericks (Game 3 I think), Joey Crawford calls a foul with less than 24 seconds left in the game when Dirk Nowitski steps on Tim Duncan's PLANTED foot. The last year the infamous "I'll throw you out because you are laughing on the bench" call against Duncan. Joey gets suspended for the playoffs with his ridiculous behavior. And of course in 2006, the officials did NOT swallow their whistles in game 7 with Dirk N getting a foul call on Ginobili.

Why does the NBA put itself in this position in the first place? It's human nature to hold a grudge against someone when something bad happens to you like what happened to Crawford last year when he lost his mind. The NBA in its infinite wisdom assigns Joey Crawford to this key game. Joey blows the end of game call that was pretty apparent.

The Spurs got a raw deal on this one. Barry should have received two free throws and a chance to tie the game (which is no guarantee, an OT would have occurred only if he made them both). All the other calls or non calls in the game may or may not have determined the outcome. This play DID determine the outcome without question and Joey Crawford blew it again. This guy has a freakin record of criminal tax evasion (underreporting income by selling first class airline tickets years ago) in his past, so his integrity and judgement on and off the court comes into question.

I'm sure the most of the Laker people will throw out the sour grapes card since they are more interested in getting to the finals than this Joey Crawford stuff. The NBA will be happy the Spurs (in all likelihood) will be eliminated from the finals.

Piston fans be very concerned. They will stick to you too.

[Brutalis]

The shot clock violation that gave the Spurs the ball, offsets the no call on the foul.

Yes it was a foul. Should have been called. Oh well. They got a gift, the same gift we got getting the ball and scoring a bucket to be down two.

Canceled each other out...

[xtremesteven33]

to me it was just a wierd last minute of officiating. and a tough one too. overall i think they did a pretty bad job.

yes fishers shot hit the rim, and yes parker did get fouled and goaltended. but to not see that barry got BLATANTLY fouled, was just really strange and really screams out conspiracy from spurs fans. idk, i havent felt this wierd since .4 seconds.

spurs will force a game 7.....from there, idk

[Harry Callahan]

You guys say that as if Joey Crawford owes you guys something. Keep in mind there were 2 other referees on the floor as well.


Look at the TNT video - see the old bald guy on the sideline. That is Joey Crawford. He blew it. The Lakers and NBA office celebrate. They get what they want.

[LakerLanny]

Look at the TNT video - see the old bald guy on the sideline. That is Joey Crawford. He blew it. The Lakers and NBA office celebrate. They get what they want.


Harry, did you think Barry moved both feet prior to dribbling?

Yes or no?

And did you think the layup attempt by Parker was a goaltend?

Yes or no?

Did you think Fisher's shot with 5 seconds left hit the rim?

Yes or no?

The answer key is as follows: Yes, No, Yes

[mikekim]

He should've passed to Finley immediately. I was screaming at him to pass it to him. As much as I hate what Fin brings (or doesn't bring), I'm pretty sure he would've hit that shot.

[DazedAndConfused]

The shot clock violation that gave the Spurs the ball, offsets the no call on the foul.

Yes it was a foul. Should have been called. Oh well. They got a gift, the same gift we got getting the ball and scoring a bucket to be down two.

Canceled each other out...

:toast

[samikeyp]

No, yes, and yes. :)

See? We agreed on something. ;)

[whottt]

Ahh Lanny...always they whore I see.

Like no one couldn't see the Celts Lakers Finals coming a mile off...


Amazing how the officiating is never bad when the Lakers win...right Mr. Conspiracy Therory? Not even when it's the most obviously blatant no call in NBA history.


Idiot...you can't jump on a fucking player shooting the ball...it is not a clean play, it is a foul, foul, foul, foul, foul with absolutely no other interpretation...you cannot jump on the motherfucker shooting the ball...or someone would do it at the end of every game.

Do people do it at the end of every game? No idiot they do not, because it is a fucking foul.


Take your tainted win and stick it up your ass...whore of Stern.

[Dim Tuncan]

it is not a clean play, it is a travel, travel, travel, travel, travel with absolutely no other interpretation...


it is not a clean play, it is a reset shot clock, reset shot clock, reset shot clock, reset shot clock, reset shot clock with absolutely no other interpretation...

Fixed it for ya. Dumbass. Maybe as consolation Barry will win a charity golf tournament this summer. At least he'll be champion of something. Maybe he'll even repeat next summer too :lmao

[Lakers14Titles]

Oh you fucking Spur whores would be bitching about something else if wasn't for that last play. Always an excuse, always a conspiracy when the Spurs don't win. Bunch of predictable tools.

You're just a bunch of whiny bitches. Always have been, always will be.

Fisher's shot hit the rim conspiracy dumbfucks.

[LakerLanny]

No, yes, and yes. :)

See? We agreed on something. ;)


You are one of the more reasonable posters here.

The goaltend play was really a close call. But a Laker fan slowed down the video to snail speed and Odom did contact the ball just before it hit the backboard. Thus, it should not have been called a goaltend.

However, that play happened at a very fast speed and was so close it had to be slowed down electronically to tell for sure.

The official who made that call? Joey Crawford. Hmmm.

Fisher's shot did hit the rim, actually fairly obviously. Again, from the overhead camera view it cannot even be debated. So I don't know what in the world the refs were thinking on that one, just a horrible missed call at the most crucial time of the game. Lakers would have been able to likley inbound the ball to Kobe and Spurs would have been forced to foul.

And I have to mention that Ginobili's late three also should have been a two as his foot was clearly on the line. So that is three blown missed calls in your team's favor in just the last minute!

Barry's travel was at least as obvious as Fisher's foul and you are in fantasy land to think a ref is going to call that 35 feet from the basket to decide the game. Although I am surprised Crawford didn't actually, he was fixing so hard all game for SA that would have been the final cherry on the cake.

[samikeyp]

Oh you fucking Spur whores would be bitching about something else if wasn't for that last play.

You're just a bunch of whiny bitches. Always have been, always will be.

Yes because all Spurs fans think alike. :rolleyes


Go ahead and ignore the fact that I was just agreeing with a Laker fan. Yeah, that's whining.

[samikeyp]

You are one of the more reasonable posters here.

The goaltend play was really a close call. But a Laker fan slowed down the video to snail speed and Odom did contact the ball just before it hit the backboard. Thus, it should not have been called a goaltend.

However, that play happened at a very fast speed and was so close it had to be slowed down electronically to tell for sure.

The official who made that call? Joey Crawford. Hmmm.

Fisher's shot did hit the rim, actually fairly obviously. Again, from the overhead camera view it cannot even be debated. So I don't know what in the world the refs were thinking on that one, just a horrible missed call at the most crucial time of the game. Lakers would have been able to likley inbound the ball to Kobe and Spurs would have been forced to foul.

And I have to mention that Ginobili's late three also should have been a two as his foot was clearly on the line. So that is three blown missed calls in your team's favor in just the last minute!

Barry's travel was at least as obvious as Fisher's foul and you are in fantasy land to think a ref is going to call that 35 feet from the basket to decide the game. Although I am surprised Crawford didn't actually, he was fixing so hard all game for SA that would have been the final cherry on the cake.

Thank you. I don't agree that Barry was traveling but it really doesn't matter. All that does is the final score and the Lakers were on top. :toast

[LakerLanny]

Ahh Lanny...always they whore I see.

Like no one couldn't see the Celts Lakers Finals coming a mile off...


Amazing how the officiating is never bad when the Lakers win...right Mr. Conspiracy Therory? Not even when it's the most obviously blatant no call in NBA history.


Idiot...you can't jump on a fucking player shooting the ball...it is not a clean play, it is a foul, foul, foul, foul, foul with absolutely no other interpretation...you cannot jump on the motherfucker shooting the ball...or someone would do it at the end of every game.

Do people do it at the end of every game? No idiot they do not, because it is a fucking foul.


Take your tainted win and stick it up your ass...whore of Stern.

I'll take that as you either didn't view the video link I posted or somehow don't think Barry moved both feet before dribbling.

Either way, he did and your team got what it deserved after trailing at home the entire game despite the refs doing everything humanly possible to keep you in it.

[Lakers14Titles]

Yes because all Spurs fans think alike. :rolleyes


Go ahead and ignore the fact that I was just agreeing with a Laker fan. Yeah, that's whining.

You know what dude, good for you. Who cares. There's 28 pages of disphit Spurs fans saying otherwise, who cares about your ONE fucking post disagreeing.

[LakerLanny]

Thank you. I don't agree that Barry was traveling but it really doesn't matter. All that does is the final score and the Lakers were on top. :toast


:toast to you as well.

If it is any consolation, I thought the Lakers were very fortunate (even lucky) to win Game 1 so this series could easily be 2-2 right now.

That's why I wanted the Hornets all along, I knew this series would be a very hard fought one as the Spurs have a lot of competitive players who don't quit.

[timvp]

ROFL @ A Laker Fan who thinks the NBA conspires against the Lakers. I think that's the definition of lunacy in the dictionary. Every year the Lakers don't win the championship, that costs the NBA hundreds of millions of dollars.

The NBA isn't rigged. But to anyone who thinks it is or ever was rigged against the Lakers is in desperate need of a reality check. If there's one team in sport that can be confident that the refs aren't trying to make them lose, it's the Los Angeles Lakers. When the commissioner comes out and says he wishes every Finals could be Lakers vs. Lakers, that's when it's time to retire the tin hat.

[Harry Callahan]

Harry, did you think Barry moved both feet prior to dribbling?

Yes or no? Yes. The movement of his feet is MUCH more difficult to pick up than an opposing player RUNNING INTO YOU.

And did you think the layup attempt by Parker was a goaltend?

Yes or no? Yes.[/B]
Did you think Fisher's shot with 5 seconds left hit the rim?

Yes or no? [B]Did not see it.The answer key is as follows: Yes, No, Yes

Barry's play was the determining factor. He was fouled. At full speed it is extremely difficult to see the feet especially with Fisher initiating contact. Once again, for the third time, when the Spurs try to defend their title, an official's action or inaction clearly INFLUENCES the outcome.

[samikeyp]

You know what dude, good for you. Who cares. There's 28 pages of disphit Spurs fans saying otherwise, who cares about your ONE fucking post disagreeing.

and on those pages there are just as many fans agreeing with me.

hey, not my fault that you lack the ability to not lump all of a fan base as being of one mindset.

[Lakers14Titles]

No Fisher's supposed airball was the determining factor genius. But Spurs fans only look at the world through their black and silver glasses, and live their lives based on conspiracies when their team doesn't win.

[whottt]

ROFL @ A Laker Fan who thinks the NBA conspires against the Lakers. I think that's the definition of lunacy in the dictionary. Every year the Lakers don't win the championship, that costs the NBA hundreds of millions of dollars.

The NBA isn't rigged. But to anyone who thinks it is or ever was rigged against the Lakers is in desperate need of a reality check. If there's one team in sport that can be confident that the refs aren't trying to make them lose, it's the Los Angeles Lakers. When the commissioner comes out and says he wishes every Finals could be Lakers vs. Lakers, that's when it's time to retire the tin hat.



Seriously...the Lakers have won 8 titles and played in 12 something finals since Stern became the commish...


Was he always corrupt according to Lanny or is it just when the Lakers don't win?

[samikeyp]

No Fisher's supposed airball was the determining factor genius. But Spurs fans only look at the world through their black and silver glasses, and live their lives based on conspiracies when their team doesn't win.

and the generalizations continue.

Even though several of us agreed with you about Fisher's shot.

And what about Lanny's talk of conspiracies? Oh...wait, that's different.

[Lakers14Titles]

Wow several of you, that's just wonderful. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

[LakerLanny]

Barry's play was the determining factor. He was fouled. At full speed it is extremely difficult to see the feet especially with Fisher initiating contact. Once again, for the third time, when the Spurs try to defend their title, an official's action or inaction clearly INFLUENCES the outcome.


Thank you for your response. In real time, I didn't notice the travel at first either and the goaltending call was so close that it could have gone either way....unfortunately for my team it went the wrong way but that one I could understand.

But missing the ball hitting the rim or Manu's foot being on the line is fishy. It just seems three refs should be able to see things that obvious.

Considering the Lakers never trailed in the game, I think it is a bit hard for the Spurs fans to feel too outraged about it, it isn't like the game was back and forth with a lot of lead changes or anything.....have a good evening.

[cindyp601]

its over .

[samikeyp]

Wow several of you, that's just wonderful. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

So you bitch when Spurs fans don't see it your way, and you bitch when they do? You can't have it both ways. Hey, those Spurs fans who whine and bitch about officiating and blame that as the only reason SA loses, I agree with you about them, but its not all of us. Its a very vocal minority.

[samikeyp]

ROFL @ A Laker Fan who thinks the NBA conspires against the Lakers. I think that's the definition of lunacy in the dictionary. Every year the Lakers don't win the championship, that costs the NBA hundreds of millions of dollars.

The NBA isn't rigged. But to anyone who thinks it is or ever was rigged against the Lakers is in desperate need of a reality check. If there's one team in sport that can be confident that the refs aren't trying to make them lose, it's the Los Angeles Lakers. When the commissioner comes out and says he wishes every Finals could be Lakers vs. Lakers, that's when it's time to retire the tin hat.

+1

[Lakers14Titles]

It's not fucking rigged for anyone. Good grief.

[Lakers14Titles]

So you bitch when Spurs fans don't see it your way, and you bitch when they do? You can't have it both ways. Hey, those Spurs fans who whine and bitch about officiating and blame that as the only reason SA loses, I agree with you about them, but its not all of us. Its a very vocal minority.

I read this thread, 90% of it is bitching and whining about the NBA and conspiracies. If you have a problem with generalizations, then either have me banned or put me on ignore. It's really that simple.

[samikeyp]

It's not fucking rigged for anyone. Good grief.

Now that, I agree with. :toast

Anyone who pulls the rigged card, even Spurs fans, is fucking stupid, IMO.

[samikeyp]

I read this thread, 90% of it is bitching and whining about the NBA and conspiracies. If you have a problem with generalizations, then either have me banned or put me on ignore. It's really that simple.

I can't have you banned and why should I put you on ignore? I enjoy the debate.

But I do agree with you about this particular thread.

[Harry Callahan]

Oh you fucking Spur whores would be bitching about something else if wasn't for that last play. Always an excuse, always a conspiracy when the Spurs don't win. Bunch of predictable tools.

You're just a bunch of whiny bitches. Always have been, always will be.

Fisher's shot hit the rim conspiracy dumbfucks.


The mind numbing rants of these Laker "fans" on OUR site is getting old. Dropping FBombs and name calling every other sentence is not very impressive.

It's been a week and a half of this garbage spewing into ST. I would say maybe 10-20% of the Laker fans posting here have a reasonable point of view. The rest seem to be on meds.

[LakerLanny]

Every year the Lakers don't win the championship, that costs the NBA hundreds of millions of dollars.


No it doesn't.

I know you are a small town guy so maybe it is hard to face the facts.

The facts are the NBA has already made their money, no matter what two teams play in the Finals or what team wins a championship. They don't make any more money if the Memphis Grizzlies win the Championship or if the NY Knicks do.

The people who do make more money is the owners who get additional playoff games and the network ad guys who sell tv ads.

But the NBA itself makes it's money on the TV contract, not on who wins the title. You could argue if it gets too boring (Spurs-Cavs finals, Spurs-Pistons finals, etc) that they will make LESS money at the NEXT contract negotiation, but that is still a hard sell considering the money goes up and up every time.

So to make a statement like the one I quoted above is not intelligent. But I know you are smarting from the game tonight, imagine how bad a loss that would have been for the Lakers after leading the entire game and then you might know what true basketball pain really is.

Either way, I would be ecstatic if Joey Crawford not only never officiated any more Spurs games, but no longer officiated ANY NBA games going forward. Controversy and bad calls follow this guy around.

Barry did travel by the way and the refs did miss THREE other calls all in your team's favor in the last minute before that play. But I think you already knew that right?

[Lakers14Titles]

Oh please Mr. Hypocrite (aka Harry Calahan or I am so gay I still worship Dirty Harry), I've read your verbal diarrhea since got here. Don't give me this holier than thou bullshit.

[samikeyp]

The mind numbing rants of these Laker "fans" on OUR site is getting old. Dropping FBombs and name calling every other sentence is not very impressive.

It's been a week and a half of this garbage spewing into ST. I would say maybe 10-20% of the Laker fans posting here have a reasonable point of view. The rest seem to be on meds.

IMO, its the 10-20% who are the assholes, but they get noticed more.

[Dopey310]

It's not fucking rigged for anyone. Good grief.
It was rigged for Dwade. That was the only series where I thought the NBA was favoring one team. If Brent was Dwade, he definitely would've gotten that call.

[Lakers14Titles]

I can't have you banned and why should I put you on ignore? I enjoy the debate.

But I do agree with you about this particular thread.

I'm sure I'll be banned soon, so you won't have to worry about my generalizations much longer.

[Lakers14Titles]

It was rigged for Dwade. That was the only series where I thought the NBA was favoring one team. If Brent was Dwade, he definitely would've gotten that call.

Then why watch the games if you believe this?

[samikeyp]

I'm sure I'll be banned soon, so you won't have to worry about my generalizations much longer.

Actually you probably won't. The owners of this site are really cool. You have to really, really try to get banned.

[spurscenter]

i dont care what happened before or what calls were made or not made or missed or whatever

THAT LAST PLAY WAS A FOUL ---- A FOUL. PERIOD

you call that 1 minute into the game or 47 minutes into the game. It should not matter.

YOU ARE A REF with NO AGENDA, NEUTRAL, there for the sake of the teams, players and fans who paid to see a basketball game, not you.

You call fouls because it was a foul NOT BECAUSE you DON'T want to bail someone out, thats nowhere in the rule book .

IT DOESN'T MATTER, shouldn't matter.

You are there to call a match neutral with no stake in the outcome. Either way, road or home.

TNT says, "the shooter didnt sell it" and "they don't call those at the end of the game"

A shooter needs to "act and sell it" in order to get a foul called? But then now, you try to "sell it" and they penalize you for flopping...

Why not just whisper into the players ear like the WWE refs do when they need to pass instructions?



This is sad that all playoff games have some sort of REF drama and presence. Since 2000 when the Lakers came into the national scene with the Shaq and Kobe team.


Too many times we worry who the next refs will be, that shouldn't be the case, EVER.


This is about the game and about the players, not about the Refs.

A FOUL IS A FOUL and that was corrupt and personal by Crawford.

Sasha got a touch foul 3 pointer and 1, while this play by Barry is not a foul?

If the same play was made at Minute 25, it would of been called a foul, why not in the end? The rulebook gives no time limits on certain fouls.

Gimmie a Break.

Kobe would of gotten that call, I BET ANYTHING HE WOULD been given that foul.

Combine all this with the other game where the Celtics got close to 40 FT and still lost to Detroit.

The fix is in this year more than ever.

A year with dropped ad revenue, attendance and ratings.

BOSTON vs. LAKERS = huge interest from all markets.


Oh how I wish the NBA treated and ran the refs like MLB does with it's umpires.


In baseball, betting on the game or throwing a game is no nonsense serious ever since the 1919 White Soxs, complete with lifetime ban, no bullshit or playing around from the comissioner down.

In the NBA, the refs scandals is business as usual since the league was taken over by Marketing genius David Stern who is there to sell entertainment first, a game second.

The NBA needs international refs , something to clean the game from these biased and agenda driven marketing arms of David Stern.

The NBA needs a committee that is set up independently from the league to monitor questionable games, where there is no fear of retaliation from Stern.

When boxing was being accused of throwing fights, the government stepped in, when Horse Racing was being questioned, an independent panel was created, when MLB was questioned back since the 1900's, harsh punishment came down from the commissioner in order to protect the intregity of the game.

In baseball there is no thought of betting, throwing games and so forth, no one checks for the umpires before the game.

The NBA thought it cleaned up its allegations with an quick press release about Tim Donahue scandal but Stern's rotten apples are still lingering around ready for the next cue.

[Lakers14Titles]

What about Fisher's "airball" genius? That was a good call right?

[timvp]

No it doesn't.

I know you are a small town guy so maybe it is hard to face the facts. ROFL. That's classic. A small town guy? Is this kindergarten smack talk?


The facts are the NBA has already made their money, no matter what two teams play in the Finals or what team wins a championship. They don't make any more money if the Memphis Grizzlies win the Championship or if the NY Knicks do.

LOL

Seriously, that's what you think? That might be the funniest paragraph ever posted on SpursTalk. You obviously don't work in business, marketing, advertising or any related field.

Wow. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

[LakerLanny]

Was he always corrupt according to Lanny or is it just when the Lakers don't win?

I thought it was one of the worst officiated games against the Lakers I have ever seen tonight. And they still won.

Take any three average HS refs and have them do tonight's game and it would have been a blowout win for the Lakers.

Spurs shot 40%, got killed on their defensive glass and were slow to react to loose balls. They also never led even once in a home game. Not a good one for them obviously.

[Lakers14Titles]

It was a game the Spurs NEVER deserved. Even Spurfan knows it. The officiating was mind-numbingly bad for the Lakers, but it is what it is...a win.

[SouthernFried]

And Gasols hack of Duncan that got them the ball back with a minute left?

Oh yeah...different game

[samikeyp]

I thought it was one of the worst officiated games against the Lakers I have ever seen tonight. And they still won.

Take any three average HS refs and have them do tonight's game and it would have been a blowout win for the Lakers.

Spurs shot 40%, got killed on their defensive glass and were slow to react to loose balls. They also never led even once in a home game. Not a good one for them obviously.

Unless the Lakers lost and then the HS refs would be corrupt too. ;)

[timvp]

I thought it was one of the worst officiated games against the Lakers I have ever seen tonight. And they still won.

Take any three average HS refs and have them do tonight's game and it would have been a blowout win for the Lakers.

Spurs shot 40%, got killed on their defensive glass and were slow to react to loose balls. They also never led even once in a home game. Not a good one for them obviously.Explain to me why the NBA would be rigged against the Lakers. I seriously want to hear this explanation.

[LakerLanny]

Wow. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

I do what I can Sir!

Have a good evening. :toast

[samikeyp]

A foul is a foul. But its not always called.

Besides, if the Spurs hadn't missed so many wide open looks, it wouldn't have mattered.

[Trainwreck2100]

Unless the Lakers lost and then the HS refs would be corrupt too. ;)


i never trusted those HS refs

[whottt]

Explain to me why the NBA would be rigged against the Lakers. I seriously want to hear this explanation.


Because Stern wants to show that small market teams can win and that his cap works...blah blah blah...


He just conveniently ignores the part about

"I want to see the Lakers VS the Lakers."

It's called audacity.