The Official Barry Fouled By Fisher Thread

[Harry Callahan]

Thank you for your response. In real time, I didn't notice the travel at first either and the goaltending call was so close that it could have gone either way....unfortunately for my team it went the wrong way but that one I could understand.

But missing the ball hitting the rim or Manu's foot being on the line is fishy. It just seems three refs should be able to see things that obvious.

Considering the Lakers never trailed in the game, I think it is a bit hard for the Spurs fans to feel too outraged about it, it isn't like the game was back and forth with a lot of lead changes or anything.....have a good evening.

I Tivoed the game as I was trying to get my kids to sleep. I am glad I didn't see that ending live (too frustrating). This is probably the weakest Spurs team in seven years and they are still in the NBA final four. I am proud of their effort regardless of the eventual outcome of this series.

You have to be lucky and good to go all the way. The luck part is not working out this year with maybe our most effective player not being healthy enough to play like he did all year long (Ginobili).

[LakerLanny]

Explain to me why the NBA would be rigged against the Lakers. I seriously want to hear this explanation.

I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?

[samikeyp]

Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?

I think it was sheer stupidity.

[Trainwreck2100]

I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?


But if they don't make any more money, as you previously posted why would they do that?

[whottt]

I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?



That ^^^^^^ is a huge crock of shit and Lanny is totally singing a different tune now that he smells a Laker win...he legitimately used to say it was because Stern wanted a small market team to win..he used to spew that load of shit on LG non-stop. He is definitely full of shit and has definitely changed his story. IOW, he's a douche bag.

[timvp]

Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?Yes. The refs are on a rotation. We have posters in this forum who have cracked the pattern of the rotation. Before the series started, we knew Game 4 was likely Joey.

There was nothing sinister about it. It was just part of the rotation. It wasn't like when the rotation was started at the beginning of the playoffs that Stern said: "okay, the Lakers will be up 2-1 in the second round against the Spurs, let's make sure that San Antonio's favorite ref is reffing that game to make sure this series goes 7".

That doesn't make sense for countless reasons. You think the NBA handpicked Joey for this particular game to rig the game in favor of the Spurs? Is that your argument?

[LakerLanny]

i dont care what happened before or what calls were made or not made or missed or whatever

THAT LAST PLAY WAS A FOUL ---- A FOUL. PERIOD

you call that 1 minute into the game or 47 minutes into the game. It should not matter.

YOU ARE A REF with NO AGENDA, NEUTRAL, there for the sake of the teams, players and fans who paid to see a basketball game, not you.

You call fouls because it was a foul NOT BECAUSE you DON'T want to bail someone out, thats nowhere in the rule book .

IT DOESN'T MATTER, shouldn't matter.

You are there to call a match neutral with no stake in the outcome. Either way, road or home.

TNT says, "the shooter didnt sell it" and "they don't call those at the end of the game"

A shooter needs to "act and sell it" in order to get a foul called? But then now, you try to "sell it" and they penalize you for flopping...

Why not just whisper into the players ear like the WWE refs do when they need to pass instructions?



This is sad that all playoff games have some sort of REF drama and presence. Since 2000 when the Lakers came into the national scene with the Shaq and Kobe team.


Too many times we worry who the next refs will be, that shouldn't be the case, EVER.


This is about the game and about the players, not about the Refs.

A FOUL IS A FOUL and that was corrupt and personal by Crawford.

Sasha got a touch foul 3 pointer and 1, while this play by Barry is not a foul?

If the same play was made at Minute 25, it would of been called a foul, why not in the end? The rulebook gives no time limits on certain fouls.

Gimmie a Break.

Kobe would of gotten that call, I BET ANYTHING HE WOULD been given that foul.

Combine all this with the other game where the Celtics got close to 40 FT and still lost to Detroit.

The fix is in this year more than ever.

A year with dropped ad revenue, attendance and ratings.

BOSTON vs. LAKERS = huge interest from all markets.


Oh how I wish these were MLB umpires instead of NBA refs.


In baseball, betting on the game or throwing a game is serious and lifetime ban, no bullshit or playing around.

In the NBA, its business as usual.

The NBA needs international refs , something to clean the game from these biased and agenda driven marketing arms of David Stern.

The NBA needs a committee that is set up independently from the league to monitor questionable games, where there is no fear of retaliation from Stern.

When boxing was being accused of throwing fights, the government steps in, when Horse Racing was being questioned, an independent panel was brought in, when MLB was questioned back in the day, harsh punishment came down from the commissioner in order to protect the intregity of the game.

The NBA thought it cleaned up its allegations with an open and close investigation of the Tim Donahue scandal but the bad apples are still lingering from the tree while Stern continues to water it.


You make a lot of great points.

We are actually more in agreement than apart on many of the more global issues regarding how the NBA administers their league and presents their product.

I would also like to see some major changes. How about a guy like Larry Bird for Commissioner? Get rid of Stern. Bust the refs union, fire them all and bring in the best college/international refs. Have a strict rule that no ref can officiate more than 10 years in the league. Review the refs much more strictly, subject them to annual financial analysis by qualified investigators to make sure nothing funny is going on money wise.

Have a zero tolerance policy for any gambling or unethical behavior by the refs and if it happens, fire them right away and bring in the next one.

Get rid of the flop, make it a rule that if a ref thinks a guy has flopped, it is an automatic three shot penalty for the other team and a technical on that palyer. The second one in game is automatic ejection and suspension for the next game.

Assign all officials randomly to all games with a system the public can view more transparently.

These are some of the changes I would like to see made.

[whottt]

Just because Stern didn't pick Joey doesn't mean this game wasn't in the bag...

It's a fact that Joey Crawford has a vendetta and bias against Tim Duncan.

Fact. He's been suspended for it. Stern doesn't have to be corrupt for Crawford to have screwed over the Spurs. All it takes is for Crawford to be....and he is someone that will hold a grudge, you can see it all over his face. He's a tough guy.

[Lakers14Titles]

Yeah such a vendetta that Duncan only went for 29 and 17 tonight. What a conspiracy against poor Timmy and his pathetic puppy dog pouty face.

[LakerLanny]

Yes. The refs are on a rotation. We have posters in this forum who have cracked the pattern of the rotation. Before the series started, we knew Game 4 was likely Joey.

There was nothing sinister about it. It was just part of the rotation. It wasn't like when the rotation was started at the beginning of the playoffs that Stern said: "okay, the Lakers will be up 2-1 in the second round against the Spurs, let's make sure that San Antonio's favorite ref is reffing that game to make sure this series goes 7".

That doesn't make sense for countless reasons. You think the NBA handpicked Joey for this particular game to rig the game in favor of the Spurs? Is that your argument?


I think the NBA uses a circle of corrupt officials (Joey Crawford, Bennett Salvatore, Steve Javie, Bob Delaney, Ken Mauer, Bernie Fryer, Jack Nies) to try and manipulate or control certain games. It isn't every game, it isn't all the time but at one point in tonights game the FT attempts were 26 to 10 in favor of SA. In a game the Lakers were clearly the aggressors in.

Does that seem right to you?

The officials should be randomly assigned in a transparent method to alleviate any thought that a certain guy will be sent here or there. Certainly the supposed refs who are not "qualified" to work playoff games are no worse than the ones that are.

Friggen Tim Donaghy was fixing games and still getting playoff assignments from the league, so whatever evaluation system they have is in dire need of an overhaul because it ain't working.

I have said it before, I will take a bad official like Violet Palmer over a corrupt official like Bob Delany any time. Why? Because Violet blows lots and lots of calls, but she blows them both ways. Delaney goes entire halves only calling things on one team or another, it is past ridiculous.

[whottt]

Yeah such a vendetta that Duncan only went for 29 and 17 tonight.
Tim Duncan goes 29 and 17 all the time...that's got nothing to do with Crawford.



What a conspiracy against poor Timmy and his pathetic puppy dog pouty face.


Puppy dogs > Rapists

[SPARKY]

Maybe Kobe will find the real rapist one of these days.

[DfishSuperfan]

You make a lot of great points.

We are actually more in agreement than apart on many of the more global issues regarding how the NBA administers their league and presents their product.

I would also like to see some major changes. How about a guy like Larry Bird for Commissioner? Get rid of Stern. Bust the refs union, fire them all and bring in the best college/international refs. Have a strict rule that no ref can officiate more than 10 years in the league. Review the refs much more strictly, subject them to annual financial analysis by qualified investigators to make sure nothing funny is going on money wise.

Have a zero tolerance policy for any gambling or unethical behavior by the refs and if it happens, fire them right away and bring in the next one.

Get rid of the flop, make it a rule that if a ref thinks a guy has flopped, it is an automatic three shot penalty for the other team and a technical on that palyer. The second one in game is automatic ejection and suspension for the next game.

Assign all officials randomly to all games with a system the public can view more transparently.

These are some of the changes I would like to see made.

What the hell? This kind of talk about FT's and technicals for people flopping? This is just silly and makes no sense. Besides under this persons rules Horry and Bowen would've been ejected in this game.

[Lakers14Titles]

Maybe Kobe will find the real rapist one of these days.

Anything's possible, just like you hitting puberty one day and realizing what your special purpose is.

[LakerLanny]

But if they don't make any more money, as you previously posted why would they do that?


I would be guessing.

Possible reasons could include making TNT, ESPN, ABC happy by getting high ratings for series that have "dramatic" overtones....for example Game 6s and Game 7s

Another possible reason is to pad the pockets of the owners by getting them additional playoff games that they make money on with all the ancillary items that go along with a NBA game. The Lakers store at Staples Center had a 150 person line of people waiting to shell out money after Game 1, it was nuts (I know because my kid rung me up for $60 worth of stuff)

So there are lots of potential reasons, I have also noticed that a series can be badly rigged by the refs in Games 1-6, yet strangely have a consistent officiating effort in Game 7 where the players actually decide it.

This shows me that the NBA does have officials capable of officiating a decent game if and when they put their mind to it. But tonight was a debacle in that regard pretty much from start to finish.

[Lakers14Titles]

Tim Duncan goes 29 and 17 all the time...that's got nothing to do with Crawford.

Last I checked he didn't averge 29 and 17, so he hardly does it all the time. But feel free to use your lame hyperbole to make a non-existent point.

[Joe Dodger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

Catches ball, plants feet, lifts left foot, lifts right foot, dribbles.

He traveled.

[ShowtimeRedux]

Hah, he did travel, this made me chuckle. By the way...

Joe Dodger, Dodgerblues.com is so much better than LG... there needs to be a Lakers version of it.

[Harry Callahan]

Oh please Mr. Hypocrite (aka Harry Calahan or I am so gay I still worship Dirty Harry), I've read your verbal diarrhea since got here. Don't give me this holier than thou bullshit.

You generalize about our site saying 90% of it is complaining and moaning. Then you rip me for saying 80% of the stuff from Laker fans is a bunch of posing junk (I not used to all this chest pounding from Laker nation after four long years of silence). My percentage by be too high, but a lot it is garbage and not very well thought out.

The Lakers will probably win this series now. Be happy with that. On balance they've played better.

But you come in here dropping Fbombs and Sbombs like a lunatic. You are obsessed with f'words and poo from the the look of your posts. You come off looking pretty stupid. Have you been drinking? If you have, get some help.

Why are you ripping on my Avatar? It's cool. Nothing wrong with Dirty Harry. He eliminates punks and there's still a lot of punks out there (based on the posts I've seen in here lately).

[cobbler]

How ironic it is that the play determining the Spurs 07-08 season in all likelihood is determined by Joey Crawford looking on as Derek Fisher fouls Barry?


Wow!!! Sounds like you have quit on your team. Good fan!

[Trainwreck2100]

did you miss the 764 post thread with the same shit or are you just fucking stupid?

[cashmoney818]

http://www.sports-tube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=909020c28b26ca3a13cb

If thats not a foul, I don't know what is

[SPARKY]

Anything's possible, just like you hitting puberty one day and realizing what your special purpose is.

Yeah, if only I could be a troll. Run along now kiddo.

[Joe Dodger]

That 764-post thread was about Fisher's non-foul.

This thread is about Barry's crappy dribbling skillz.

[Lakers14Titles]

Yeah, if only I could be a troll. Run along now kiddo.

You're not clever enough to be one. Nor are you funny. So that's two strikes right there.

But you are obtuse.

[Dim Tuncan]

That 764-post thread was about Fisher's non-foul.

This thread is about Barry's crappy dribbling skillz.

He would make one mean tap dancer though :lmao

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg

[lolz]

Two different pivot feet, ahahaha

[The Truth #6]

I think it was a foul. But it's interesting that all the attention goes right to Crawford. It feeds the narrative but what about the other two refs? They didn't call a foul either.

[Lakers14Titles]

But you come in here dropping Fbombs and Sbombs like a lunatic. You are obsessed with f'words and poo from the the look of your posts. You come off looking pretty stupid. Have you been drinking? If you have, get some help.

Why are you ripping on my Avatar? It's cool. Nothing wrong with Dirty Harry. He eliminates punks and there's still a lot of punks out there (based on the posts I've seen in here lately).

Dirty Harry was cool 30 years ago. Do you still worship Bullitt too?

I'm sorry you're such a delicate flower now that the word fuck and shit offend you. I will try to curb my language for you in the future. I didn't know were such a priss, my apologies.

[SPARKY]

You're not clever enough to be one. Nor are you funny. So that's two strikes right there.

But you are obtuse.

Then you are a rather poor troll at that.

[lolz]

Two different pivot feet. Barry traveled. lolz

[21_Blessings]

He fucking traveled lmao

[Lakers14Titles]

Then you are a rather poor troll at that.

Good I'm not trolling. Glad you noticed.

[lolz]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Pathetic. Can't believe anyone would listen to Spurs fans whining in the first place.

[Dim Tuncan]

Maybe Barry can take some classes this summer. It's gonna be a long one so he'd better find a new hobby to take up:

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg

I think he has a future.

Maybe can can also find time to travel.

Ha. Ha ha. HAAH!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:lobt2: <----- NO EL TUYO :nope

[Joe Dodger]

It's Fred Astaire!!!

[SRJ]

did you miss the 764 post thread with the same shit or are you just fucking stupid?

I vote for "both".

[lolz]

Way to show us why it wasn't a travel and the Spurs deserved to lose.

[whottt]

Do you still worship Bullitt too?

That you actually know about Bullitt is telling.

Nice job asshat.

[SPARKY]

Good I'm not trolling. Glad you noticed.

You are. You just suck at it.

[SRJ]

Damn, there's that famous LA wit in all its glory.

[Lakers14Titles]

That you actually know about Bullitt is telling.

Nice job asshat.

What kind of fucking American doesn't know who Bullitt is? Do you know who John Wayne is? Dumbass.

[Joe Dodger]

Hey whiners (Spurs fans):

Stop talking about the non-call at the end and discuss Fisher's shot hitting the rim. A correct call there and the 24-second clock is re-started, Kobe gets the inbound pass and puts the game away at the free-throw line. The bad calls go both ways. Stop whining.

[Lakers14Titles]

You are. You just suck at it.

You just wish I was.

[21_Blessings]

I think it was a foul.

You may think it was a foul but Barry blatantly traveled before Fisher bumped him.

[SPARKY]

Fred Astaire? Hand in the modem, gramps.

[Harry Callahan]

Dirty Harry was cool 30 years ago. Do you still worship Bullitt too?

I'm sorry you're such a delicate flower now that the word fuck and shit offend you. I will try to curb my language for you in the future. I didn't know were such a priss, my apologies.

I am not a priss regarding the profanity. Far from it. You just seem incapable of producing a post very often without some kind of profanity thrown in. You are displaying a fundamental lack of knowledge of the English language.

Can you communicate more effectively than what you've shown? I hope so. If not, you need some help.

[Lakers14Titles]

I love profanity, it's one of the great things about the English language. And it makes it much more enjoyable to talk to people like yourself.

But your amateur psychology is humorous Mr. Holier Than Thou. Please keep induldging in it, I think you have a knack.

[jmill]

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg

Why exactly is this not a travel?

[Harry Callahan]

Wow!!! Sounds like you have quit on your team. Good fan!

Did you see "in all likelihood" in my post? Any team down 3-1 in a series is facing extremely long odds of coming back and winning that series. That is all I said.

I would assume this a concept you can wrap your brain around. If not, it's your problem.

The trolls are thick out there right now, aren't they?

[Lakers14Titles]

Be careful Dirty Hypocrite, sounds like you almost use an four-letter expletive.

[Harry Callahan]

I love profanity, it's one of the great things about the English language. And it makes it much more enjoyable to talk to people like yourself.

But your amateur psychology is humorous Mr. Holier Than Thou. Please keep induldging in it, I think you have a knack.

Whatever gets you through the day. Your posts have been pretty weak overall.

[Lakers14Titles]

Whatever gets you through the day. Your posts have been pretty weak overall.

Like I said, I realize you are a priss, I won't swear at you anymore.

You keep responding to them though, so you must like them an awful lot. People I don't find interesting, I don't respond to. Pretty simple.

[slimjim]

Here's what I think about the whole situation.

Was it a foul? 100% yes, anyone who tells you otherwise is well, delusional .

to make my next point, first take a look at this picture.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7802/foulcx5.png

Now, was Brent Barry in the act of shooting? In my opinion? No.

Barry pump faked, fisher bite, barry took a dribble to shake the defender. fisher fouled barry in the act of dribbling, not in the act of shooting.

To me, it would have been an easy foul call, 2 FT shots.(since the spurs were in the bonus)

[Lakers14Titles]

What are your thoughts on the Middle East?

[Joe Dodger]

Here's what I think about the whole situation.

Was it a foul? 100% yes, anyone who tells you otherwise is well, delusional .

to make my next point, first take a look at this picture.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7802/foulcx5.png

Now, was Brent Barry in the act of shooting? In my opinion? No.

Barry pump faked, fisher bite, barry took a dribble to shake the defender. fisher fouled barry in the act of dribbling, not in the act of shooting.

To me, it would have been an easy foul call, 2 FT shots.(since the spurs were in the bonus)

Spurs should have never been in that position to tie the game, had the refs called Fish's shot hitting the rim correctly. Lakers would have had a fresh 24-second clock and L.A. would have ran the final seconds off until the Spurs send Kobe to the line to put them away.

[jmill]

Not just Fishers shot hitting the rim, the awful goaltending call as well.

If there was ANY kind of replay system in the NBA the Spurs never would have been in that position in the first place.

Just proof that some kind of changes need to be made.

These two are pretty much indisputable:

-Fishers shot hit the rim, and the call was blown in favor of the Spurs
-Odom did not goal tend and the call was blown in favor of the Spurs

Both occured in the last 30 seconds and gave the Spurs a shot to win they never should have had. That's not even being a homer, even Laker haters I've talked to have said the same thing.

[slimjim]

Spurs should have never been in that position to tie the game, had the refs called Fish's shot hitting the rim correctly. Lakers would have had a fresh 24-second clock and L.A. would have ran the final seconds off until the Spurs send Kobe to the line to put them away.

agreed, and besides no one wants to see the game decided by the refs...

I personally like it when refs swallow their whistles for game winning, last shot situations, if you want to win the game, than do it, the refs shouldn't bail a team out.

IF you spurs fans are going to pick on the refs bad calls, we laker fans get to too.

lakers got a bad call at the end, spurs got a bad call at the end. refs aren't perfect.

[Trainwreck2100]

You may think it was a foul but Barry blatantly traveled before Fisher bumped him.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2091/barrygs3.gif

[Joe Dodger]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2091/barrygs3.gif


I don't see any contact at the points when your silly gif shows them.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't see any contact at the points when your silly gif shows them.

go to the previous .jpg right click save as it's #24 & 25, if there's no contact where does Barry' left hand dissapear to?

[jmill]

lol

So not only was this not goaltending, but I just realized Manu's foot was on the line as well. Good times.

Obv not goaltending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvQFQoTOPQ8)

[Trainwreck2100]

lol

So not only was this not goaltending, but I just realized Manu's foot was on the line as well. Good times.

Obv not goaltending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvQFQoTOPQ8)


I'm not arguing that other shit, you call travel i call bullshit on that. My stance on this game is already on record here and i ain't going over it again

[jmill]

I'm not arguing that other shit, you call travel i call bullshit on that. My stance on this game is already on record here and i ain't going over it again

I'm not vehemently arguing that one call was a travel, I was honestly looking for reasoning from people why it wasn't.

I personally thought it was close tbh and not definite either way. It was clearly a foul though.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm not vehemently arguing that one call was a travel, I was honestly looking for reasoning from people why it wasn't.

I personally thought it was close tbh and not definite either way. It was clearly a foul though.

Barry's arm made contact with Fisher before his leg came down. I spent an hour just making sure that really was the case.

[mystargtr34]

The game is over and if Barry had been given 3 free throws or even two to tie the game it would have been a major injustice to the Lakers given the decisions prior to that one...

We didnt deserve to win... they did.

[Trainwreck2100]

We didnt deserve to win... they did.

nobody deserves to win, they're earned like anything else,





except welfair.

[slimjim]

even if it's a travel, NO way can the refs spot that travel.

we can barely spot it with a slowed down video. (and even with the slowed down video, it's a debate)

so how are the REFS going to do it in real time?

Look, I agree, you guys got screwed on the last play, but we got screwed by the miscalled shot clock reset.

If you spurs fans are going to whine and moan, maybe us laker fans should too!

[Fernando TD21]

You're not clever enough to be one. Nor are you funny. So that's two strikes right there.

But you are obtuse.
Lakers14Tities really was stupid, even for a Lakers fan.


Here's what I think about the whole situation.

Was it a foul? 100% yes, anyone who tells you otherwise is well, delusional .

Now, was Brent Barry in the act of shooting? In my opinion? No.

Barry pump faked, fisher bite, barry took a dribble to shake the defender. fisher fouled barry in the act of dribbling, not in the act of shooting.

To me, it would have been an easy foul call, 2 FT shots.(since the spurs were in the bonus)
I agree, it should have been a foul call and 2 FT.

Anyway, I can only hope that the team (specially Manu) gets ready for the next game because it won't be easy. If the Spurs really want to get to the finals they will need to step up and Pop will have to make some smart adjustments.
I still trust on the Spurs, as long there is a chance, there is hope. :flag:

[Taxidriver]

and duncan got away with a travel and the calls went your way the entire game why are you complaining. You didn't complain when you cheated the suns last year hypocrites.

[Trainwreck2100]

/merge

[milkyway21]

interesting post-game quote of Coah Phil:

It was supposed to go to Ginobili in the corner, a bold move considering he’d made just two field goals all night. Instead, the ball swung back to Barry, in the midst of the best playoff game of his life.

Barry turned, surprised to find Fisher in his path. Fisher bumped him, and forced Barry into an awkward attempt.

Afterward, Lakers coach Phil Jackson admitted it: Barry was fouled, and should have been awarded two free throws.


one letter Phil ->>>>>game 4 >>>> *

[DazedAndConfused]

The bottomline is anyone who has watched all 4 games can clearly see the Lakers are a better team than the Spurs. I've always felt championship teams win in spite of the refs.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the majority of the calls in this game were not in the Laker's favor. I was straight livid after that pathetic 1st quarter, and yet again Kobe has 0 F/T's despite taking 20+ shots.

[Ghost Writer]

I agree totally with slimjim.

The foul was on the floor and Barry should've gotten 2 free throws.

[sleepy]

If that was Kobe. Automatic foul. Fucking NBA cocksuckers.

Give me a fucking break. Kobe shot 1 FT in 2 games. ONE> Your theory doesn't hold shit. Bunch of fucking whiners. You get calls ALL GAMELONG, like:

1. Duncan's blatant travel on the dunk - not called.
2. Odom's clean block on Parker's layup - called a goaltend.
3. Fisher's shot hitting the rim - shot clock not reset, giving SA the last shot.
4. Kobe not shooting any FTs on 29 FGA. Seriously.
5. Barry traveled before Fisher even touched him - not called.
6. Barry and Pop even agreed it was not a foul - just like most of the media. The only ones complaining are you guys.

Go back to your salsa dancing and mariachi on the River Walk and STFU.

[Go For Tree]

Can't get bailed out by the refs....seemed to work all game though.

i hate to agree with a lakers fan about anything. but true spurs fans know it shouldnt have come down to a foul being called on the last shot. truthfully i cant believe the spurs had a chance to still win it at the end. they didnt deserve to be that close...... if they cut the lakers offensive boards by 25% the spurs limit la's second chance points and win with ease. REBOUND THE FUCKING BALL. WHO WANTS IT MORE?

[CP3forMVP]

barry wasn't in the act of shooting, so he wouldn't have got the free throws either way. thats clear. but would yall have gotten free throws if the foul was called even though he wasn't in the act?

[SAGambler]

Kobe says "it wasn't a foul".

Fish says "He knew they wouldn't call it".

Hmmmmm....So who's right? Kobe or Fish.......

I vote for Fish.

[MadDog73]

Give me a fucking break. Kobe shot 1 FT in 2 games. ONE> Your theory doesn't hold shit. Bunch of fucking whiners. You get calls ALL GAMELONG, like:

1. Duncan's blatant travel on the dunk - not called.
2. Odom's clean block on Parker's layup - called a goaltend.
3. Fisher's shot hitting the rim - shot clock not reset, giving SA the last shot.
4. Kobe not shooting any FTs on 29 FGA. Seriously.
5. Barry traveled before Fisher even touched him - not called.
6. Barry and Pop even agreed it was not a foul - just like most of the media. The only ones complaining are you guys.

Go back to your salsa dancing and mariachi on the River Walk and STFU.


None of that shit matters.

The question is: Did Fisher Foul Barry or not?

That's the only question. There's not some rule that one bad call deserves another.

[Oh, Gee!!]

it was a good no-call. games shouldn't be decide on the foul line. spurs got outplayed, and shouldn't look to the refs for a bail-out.

[MadDog73]

it was a good no-call. games shouldn't be decide on the foul line. spurs got outplayed, and shouldn't look to the refs for a bail-out.

So, on the last play, you can take someone out with no consequence?

Good to know. I didn't know that rule.

[sleepy]

None of that shit matters.

The question is: Did Fisher Foul Barry or not?

That's the only question. There's not some rule that one bad call deserves another.

Barry traveled before Fisher even touched him. You guys refuse to even acknowledge obvious video evidence.

Let's say, hypothetically, Barry didn't travel - at best it was a 2 FT foul. But if that call is made, then let's go back to the more obvious calls that were missed that gave the Spurs free points.

You won't do that because it negates your argument because you just want to be selective about only looking at calls that benefit your team.

[CP3forMVP]

how do you figure? the guy pump faked, fisher jumped and for whatever reason he tried to dribble around fisher instead of going up for the shot. was it a foul? yes. did it deserve free throws? no. you don't decide a playoff game on free throws. the refs made the right call. and is it a coincidence that all the spurs are agreeing that it wasnt a foul?

[MadDog73]

Barry traveled before Fisher even touched him. You guys refuse to even acknowledge obvious video evidence.

Let's say, hypothetically, Barry didn't travel - at best it was a 2 FT foul. But if that call is made, then let's go back to the more obvious calls that were missed that gave the Spurs free points.

You won't do that because it negates your argument because you just want to be selective about only looking at calls that benefit your team.

OK, then call the travel. Or call the foul before the shot and give Barry 2 FTs.

But, Jesus Christ, call something! Something happened, and now the series is tainted because of a no call.

It surely doesn't help that it was Joe Crawford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Crawford

[Myrak]

Barry traveled before Fisher even touched him. You guys refuse to even acknowledge obvious video evidence.

Let's say, hypothetically, Barry didn't travel - at best it was a 2 FT foul. But if that call is made, then let's go back to the more obvious calls that were missed that gave the Spurs free points.

You won't do that because it negates your argument because you just want to be selective about only looking at calls that benefit your team.


The rest the game doesn't matter. Bad calls all around. But on that final play, with the game on the line, the refs intentionally swallowed the whistles, as not to "affect the outcome". That, my friend, is sad because refs are paid to make those tough calls, in that situation. Not to do so it plain crap.

[sleepy]

how do you figure? the guy pump faked, fisher jumped and for whatever reason he tried to dribble around fisher instead of going up for the shot. was it a foul? yes. did it deserve free throws? no. you don't decide a playoff game on free throws. the refs made the right call. and is it a coincidence that all the spurs are agreeing that it wasnt a foul?

OMFG. :lol:lol

Watch the multiple video posted here. He planted his pivot foot and took a step with his other foot. While Fish was in the air, Barry tried to dribble around im and lifted his pivot foot before he started dribbling. THEN Fisher landed on him. Travel before the foul.

I know the rules. Apparently you don't. Video backs it up and you still refuse to acknowledge it. Stop watching basketball. The game is obviously too complicated for you to follow.

[MadDog73]

was it a foul? yes.

That's the only relevant statement in your post.

[sleepy]

The rest the game doesn't matter. Bad calls all around. But on that final play, with the game on the line, the refs intentionally swallowed the whistles, as not to "affect the outcome". That, my friend, is sad because refs are paid to make those tough calls, in that situation. Not to do so it plain crap.

You're right. They let the travel go, then they let the foul go because they missed the travel.

Even. Lakers win. 3-1.

Next.

[Myrak]

how do you figure? the guy pump faked, fisher jumped and for whatever reason he tried to dribble around fisher instead of going up for the shot. was it a foul? yes. did it deserve free throws? no. you don't decide a playoff game on free throws. the refs made the right call. and is it a coincidence that all the spurs are agreeing that it wasnt a foul?

Spurs players and coaches "rare'y" complain about refs. It is Pop's rule.

[Myrak]

You're right. They let the travel go, then they let the foul go because they missed the travel.

Even. Lakers win. 3-1.

Next.

The travel is in your head. Learn to play the game. there was no travel.

[CP3forMVP]

OMFG. :lol:lol

Watch the multiple video posted here. He planted his pivot foot and took a step with his other foot. While Fish was in the air, Barry tried to dribble around im and lifted his pivot foot before he started dribbling. THEN Fisher landed on him. Travel before the foul.

I know the rules. Apparently you don't. Video backs it up and you still refuse to acknowledge it. Stop watching basketball. The game is obviously too complicated for you to follow.

i'm not talking about the travel, i'm on your side dude. all these spurs fans that are whining that it was a foul and he should have gotten free throws are a joke. he traveled, but they hardly ever call travels in the nba. kobe mighta traveled too. but my point is that the refs made the right call.

[Dex]

Should'a been a call. Referees blow their whistles for much less in this league.

That being said, I'm not surprised they didn't call it. Tough to put the official in that spot and make him decide the game with a whistle.

I'm still pissed we didn't get a fair shot, though. If Fish had been playing defense, that's one thing. But apparently mugging your man on the last shot is now a viable strategy since the refs don't want to make the call.

[jaysmooth422]

That was a clean block on parker's layup, not goaltending...watch it again. Everything evens out in the end

ok that block by odom was goaltending and if someone gets fouled on a shot attempt from behind the three point line thats three free throws pimp not two.


LETS TAKE IT ONE GAME AT A TIME SPURS WIN GAME FIVE AND BRING IT BACK TO SA.

[Spurminator]

I wish Barry had just shot the ball. You're not going to get a call on the floor like that at the end of a game. Maybe he should have, maybe he shouldn't have, but this is what happens when you rely on a call instead of getting the best shot you can get. If Barry dribbles left he has a clear view of the basket.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I wish Barry had just shot the ball. You're not going to get a call on the floor like that at the end of a game. Maybe he should have, maybe he shouldn't have, but this is what happens when you rely on a call instead of getting the best shot you can get. If Barry dribbles left he has a clear view of the basket.

reggie miller ruined the league

[MadDog73]

I wish Barry had just shot the ball. You're not going to get a call on the floor like that at the end of a game. Maybe he should have, maybe he shouldn't have, but this is what happens when you rely on a call instead of getting the best shot you can get. If Barry dribbles left he has a clear view of the basket.

Or, he should have sold it more. Then Crawford would have had to call it.

Or not.

[Spurminator]

That's a loser's mindset though. You don't go into a last second play looking to create a foul. You go into the play looking to make a basket because you are confident enough in your ability to hit a game-tying or game-winning shot.

[Say-Townbball]

The bottom line is even if Barry sold the foul, that Crawford would've never blew the whistle. Stripes aren't going to determine the outcome of a WCF playoff game...

If the Spurs had gotten over the hump, it'd be a different story.

So...no whining, let's go back to LA, pray for a miracle, cuz it is what it is.

[oligarchy]

The bottom line is even if Barry sold the foul, that Crawford would've never blew the whistle. Stripes aren't going to determine the outcome of a WCF playoff game...

If the Spurs had gotten over the hump, it'd be a different story.

So...no whining, let's go back to LA, pray for a miracle, cuz it is what it is.

:toast

[Nbadan]

no one expected the refs to 'determine the outcome of a game' but let's call a foul a foul..a non-shooting foul would have tied the game at best for the Spurs...

[Say-Townbball]

even if it's a travel, NO way can the refs spot that travel.

we can barely spot it with a slowed down video. (and even with the slowed down video, it's a debate)

so how are the REFS going to do it in real time?

Look, I agree, you guys got screwed on the last play, but we got screwed by the miscalled shot clock reset.

If you spurs fans are going to whine and moan, maybe us laker fans should too!

many of you guys already do.

[WCFBaby]

Maybe Kobe will find the real rapist one of these days.

Is see that the king of all bitter bitches is at it again this morning.

It makes me happy to see how angry you are that the BLACK MAMBA and the rest of the LAKESHOW are putting the spurs to rest for the next decade.

Deal with it BITCH!

[jaysmooth422]

listen it was clearly a missed call, but its done its over. spurs put thier selfs in that position they had all the oportunities to win this game lakers out hustled the spurs for the majority of the game but at the end spurs are thier own worst enemy bottom line they dont execute. this league is so tainted right now with all this contreversy about bad officiating and maybe its all tru maybe stern feels its in his best interest to have the lakers go to the finals instead of sa i mean hell at the begining of the second series i was already seeing pictures of magic johnson and larry bird on the front page of nba.com and espn but so what who cares no point of letting it stress you out its all entertainment its a business. dont get your emotions involved in it. i still watch the game but i dont have the love for the game like i use to. its like wwe now. a show

[sleepy]

i'm not talking about the travel, i'm on your side dude. all these spurs fans that are whining that it was a foul and he should have gotten free throws are a joke. he traveled, but they hardly ever call travels in the nba. kobe mighta traveled too. but my point is that the refs made the right call.

I agree. I'm fine with the no call on THAT play. If Barry had just held his ground and gone up for the 3 when Fisher landed (instead of trying to dribble around him and traveling), he would have shot 3 FTs. But the Spurs were put in that position by several bad calls right before that. The game shouldn't have been that close.

[phx_13]

I was shocked....the thing that really pissed me off about the foul was the fact that in every other game not just in this series the whistle happy officals are willing to call every little foul AWAY from the ball ,but don't do shit when they need to...even kobe and his wonk eye knew it was a fucking foul. all i have to say is spurs better fucking win i'm not playing with your asses anymore after that shit you pulled against my suns and hornets you owe me one:bang

[SpurYank]

Had the call been made, and Barry hit all three shots, and we had won, I would then say: We didn't deserve to win. We were out-rebounded by double figures, we had something like 4 second chance points to their 20, their guards were out-rebounding our bigs on most of those second chance points. Add to this the fact that the Lakers came to play. We didn't.

Parker said it all: We were never in rhythm.

Still, I wouldn't bet against this Spurs team. Even with this loss, I have to feel deep down the team thinks they can still take the Lakers. I'd like to see it just to shut all these people up, up here in the East.

[Jonesy77]

So now the Spurs know how every non-Laker team in the league feels when they play the ref-darling Spurs. It's an even year, guys. Not in the cards.

[samikeyp]

So now the Spurs know how every non-Laker team in the league feels when they play the ref-darling Spurs. It's an even year, guys. Not in the cards.

The Spurs don't care about that. Some of their fans, however, are going ape shit. :lol

[WCFBaby]

Had the call been made, and Barry hit all three shots, and we had won, I would then say: We didn't deserve to win. We were out-rebounded by double figures, we had something like 4 second chance points to their 20, their guards were out-rebounding our bigs on most of those second chance points. Add to this the fact that the Lakers came to play. We didn't.

Parker said it all: We were never in rhythm.

Still, I wouldn't bet against this Spurs team. Even with this loss, I have to feel deep down the team thinks they can still take the Lakers. I'd like to see it just to shut all these people up, up here in the East.

Hey Nimrod, even if the refs had called the foul Barry would have only received TWO foul shots. Barry was clearly NOT shooting when the body contact happened. In fact, he even took a dribble AFTER the contact. Damn, you spurs fans just don't understand the game.

[samikeyp]

Hey Nimrod, even if the refs had called the foul Barry would have only received TWO foul shots. Barry was clearly NOT shooting when the body contact happened. In fact, he even took a dribble AFTER the contact. Damn, you spurs fans just don't understand the game.

Does that include the Spurs fans who agreed with you? ;)

[brettn]

I'm pretty sure Kobe in LA gets that call 99/100 times. If the roles had been reversed and say Parker jumped out onto NBA darling Kobe's back, Lakers fans would be bitching and moaning just as bad as Spurs fans are right now.

[ipeefreely]

I'm pretty sure Kobe in LA gets that call 99/100 times. If the roles had been reversed and say Parker jumped out onto NBA darling Kobe's back, Lakers fans would be bitching and moaning just as bad as Spurs fans are right now.

Total fouls blown...

Spurts--26

Lakers 19

NUFF said.....

[ipeefreely]

I'm pretty sure Kobe in LA gets that call 99/100 times. If the roles had been reversed and say Parker jumped out onto NBA darling Kobe's back, Lakers fans would be bitching and moaning just as bad as Spurs fans are right now.

Total fouls blown...

Spurts--26

Lakers 19

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KOBe NO TRIPS TO THE CHARITY STRIPE---NOT 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He averages 10 trips a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Care to explain Mr Myopia?

NUFF said.....

[Don_In_Redondo]

even if it's a travel, NO way can the refs spot that travel.

we can barely spot it with a slowed down video. (and even with the slowed down video, it's a debate)

so how are the REFS going to do it in real time?!

He has a point. If the officials couldn't see Tim Duncan take 3 1/2 steps on his way to the basket in the 1st half, how in the world are they going to see Barry take an extra step with his pivot foot?

[AztecPrincss]

YOu CAn Spend Minutes HOurs,days weeks or even months over analyzing the situation trying to put the pieces together justyfying what couldve wouldve happened..or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the fuck on..

[brettn]

Total fouls blown...

Spurts--26

Lakers 19

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KOBe NO TRIPS TO THE CHARITY STRIPE---NOT 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He averages 10 trips a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Care to explain Mr Myopia?

NUFF said.....

Forget that.

Are you telling me the play at the end was NOT a foul on Fisher?

And Kobe settled for his jumper most of the game. When he did take it to the rack, it was either an uncontested dunk or contested lay in. He didn't draw alot of contact in the lane all game long. That's why he didn't get to the line. Easy enough, yea? Just because he's named Kobe doesn't mean he gets 10 free trips to the line every game idiot.

[Don_In_Redondo]

Forget that.

Are you telling me the play at the end was NOT a foul on Fisher?

And Kobe settled for his jumper most of the game. When he did take it to the rack, it was either an uncontested dunk or contested lay in. He didn't draw alot of contact in the lane all game long. That's why he didn't get to the line. Easy enough, yea? Just because he's named Kobe doesn't mean he gets 10 free trips to the line every game idiot.

Whether it's a foul on Fisher or not, it becomes moot when Barry moves his pivot foot and travels before any contact.

Granted, it was nowhere near as obvious as Duncan's little skip-to-my-lou in the first half, but just watch Barry's feet the replay. You had two "no-calls" in the last 3 seconds. If anything SHOULD have been called, it would be whatever occurs first.

[ether]

Newsflash to spurs fans everywhere:

1) Kobe's shot HIT THE RIM. The shot clock should have been reset and the Lakers should have been inbounding the ball with 2 seconds left and a fresh 24 second clock.

2) Both your coach and your star power foward stated unequivocally that the refs were correct not to call a foul. Get over it.

[DarrinS]

On Dan Patrick's show this morning, Jason Terry, known Spurs-hater, said the refs blew the foul call on Barry.


Said that had this game been in LA and that had been Kobe, that Kobe would definitely be going to the line for 2.


:stirpot:

[LakersMark]

I'm pretty sure Kobe in LA gets that call 99/100 times. If the roles had been reversed and say Parker jumped out onto NBA darling Kobe's back, Lakers fans would be bitching and moaning just as bad as Spurs fans are right now. Brent Barry has more free throw attempts in this series than Kobe so not in this series would he get that call as a matter of fact he can't get a call but we play on and you whine.

[E.O.A.O.]

First off it Game 4 was a really fun game to watch. Spurs didn't give up even when Lakers had I think an 6-8 point lead? I think the last play was a good no call as it is never right to decide a game like that, and it wouldn't even be a three ft, it would be a two. And before Fisher bumped Barry, he traveled.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
^^ End of discussion.

It's funny how Spurs fans think they got robbed. Did you even get a sense that the refs was on your side 99% of the game. Every single cheap foul called on LA except the refs couldn't keep it consistent.

[polandprzem]

where he traveled?

As soon as he got the ball he went to pump fake which caused automatic contact

[Say-Townbball]

wasted thread.

[E.O.A.O.]

where he traveled?

As soon as he got the ball he went to pump fake which caused automatic contact

:lmao I can't believe I have to explain this.

Okay Barry caught the ball and landed with two feet right??? Well it was the right foot that he landed with FIRST and then the left SECOND. So that makes his RIGHT his pivot. He pumpfaked and got Fish in the air. And tried to take a dribble. But the ball has to touch the ground before he can ever lift that right foot up (pivot) and he lifted before that ever happened.

Oh and Duncan did the exact same thing when he hit that miracle shot that gave L.A. 0.4 left. Duncan took about 3 dribbles to the left but he lifted his pivot before the ball hit the ground.

[samikeyp]

First off it Game 4 was a really fun game to watch. Spurs didn't give up even when Lakers had I think an 6-8 point lead? I think the last play was a good no call as it is never right to decide a game like that, and it wouldn't even be a three ft, it would be a two. And before Fisher bumped Barry, he traveled.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
^^ End of discussion.

It's funny how Spurs fans think they got robbed. Did you even get a sense that the refs was on your side 99% of the game. Every single cheap foul called on LA except the refs couldn't keep it consistent.

If you are implying all Spurs fans, then you just included yourself.

[SPARKY]

He traveled because he was trying to avoid Fisher landing on him. Anyways, it's over.

On to game 5.

[E.O.A.O.]

If you are implying all Spurs fans, then you just included yourself.

I did? Oh yay I want to be a Spurs fan.

[xapatan2]

First off it Game 4 was a really fun game to watch. Spurs didn't give up even when Lakers had I think an 6-8 point lead? I think the last play was a good no call as it is never right to decide a game like that, and it wouldn't even be a three ft, it would be a two. And before Fisher bumped Barry, he traveled.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
^^ End of discussion.

It's funny how Spurs fans think they got robbed. Did you even get a sense that the refs was on your side 99% of the game. Every single cheap foul called on LA except the refs couldn't keep it consistent.

Too much fun !!

a so called "spurs fan" with 3 messages trying to give basketball lessons when there is nothing to say, except : bas referee decision.

Please get out ! ( and learn basketball )
Xap'

[N4th4n]

It was a CLEAR travel. Barry's pivot foot lifted long before the foul happened and before the ball ever touched the ground. The video evidence is clear, so please explain what you have to bitch about? He was fouled AFTER he traveled but you are all conveniently ignoring that!

[LakersMark]

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg Most of us Lakers fans feel this play was a travel before the foul Spurs fans please give your take

[DarrinS]

gay

[E.O.A.O.]

"And Learn Basketball" AHAhahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaah a

[Mr.Franchize]

None of that shit matters.

The question is: Did Fisher Foul Barry or not?

That's the only question. There's not some rule that one bad call deserves another.

how does none of that shit matter?? lets subtract parkers layup -2 points u guys would be down 4. hell lets subtract the travel as well -6 stop bitching spurs u guys got all the fukin calls and dont tell me u guys didnt ill be happy to sit with u and watch the game over and tell me the refs didnt keep u in the game.

thread/

[mexicanjunior]

No travel...he was fouled before he changed pivot feet...

[J.T.]

The no call didn't matter because the Spurs choked on rebounds and pretty much giftwrapped the game for LA via second chance points. Story of the game right there.

[DarrinS]

Pretty dumb by Fish. You guys dodged a bullet.

[mexicanjunior]

No travel...he was fouled before he changed pivot feet...

[AngelaDahlia]

Seemed his right foot didn't take a step until he dribbled the ball so I don't think so...

[trjons]

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements.

Since Fish jumped and landed before the contact, and since Barry attempted to avoid the contact, there was no foul.

[AngelaDahlia]

Hahah Suns fan on Spurs Talk to make trouble 'cause he can't watch his team plaayyy

[brettn]

Well in that case, Kobe travels on every first step he takes to the basket.

You're a fucking idiot if you truly believe that was a travel.

[SpursDynasty]

All other things aside, the fact that Barry got fouled with time remaining on the clock will forever exist in the annals of NBA history.

We can go into why the Spurs didn't deserve to win the game, or Lamar Odom's goal tending that should have been this or that, or the shot that hit the rim that should have re-set the shot clock for the Lakers.

But there's no denying a foul happened at the end.

I think Pop and Barry did the right thing in their interviews.

[trjons]

Wow, you're right. It does look like a walk because he switched pivot feet.

[Cry Havoc]

Newsflash to spurs fans everywhere:

1) Kobe's shot HIT THE RIM. The shot clock should have been reset and the Lakers should have been inbounding the ball with 2 seconds left and a fresh 24 second clock.

2) Both your coach and your star power foward stated unequivocally that the refs were correct not to call a foul. Get over it.

You do realize that there are a lot of Spurs fans who think we lost the game on our own last night, right?

No? Okay. Continue pouring salt in the wound, since it's about all you can do. :toast

[E.O.A.O.]

No travel...he was fouled before he changed pivot feet...

False

[mexicanjunior]

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements.

Since Fish jumped and landed before the contact, and since Barry attempted to avoid the contact, there was no foul.

So landing on someone's head is legal? Must be nice...

[LakersMark]

Pretty dumb by Fish. You guys dodged a bullet. agreed. But you guys played terrible at home.

[mexicanjunior]

False

True

[mavs>spurs2]

All other things aside, the fact that Barry got fouled with time remaining on the clock will forever exist in the annals of NBA history.

We can go into why the Spurs didn't deserve to win the game, or Lamar Odom's goal tending that should have been this or that, or the shot that hit the rim that should have re-set the shot clock for the Lakers.

But there's no denying a foul happened at the end.

I think Pop and Barry did the right thing in their interviews.

All he had to do was lean in and shoot the ball instead of shying away from contact like a little pussy. Ref made the right call, no way you call that in the playoffs. Even if they blew the whistle, it would have been a non shooting foul with like .3 left on the clock because Barry took a dribble after the contact and then shot.

[AngelaDahlia]

Well in that case, Kobe travels on every first step he takes to the basket.

You're a fucking idiot if you truly believe that was a travel.


Yeah!!:flipoff



...

[DarrinS]

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements.

Since Fish jumped and landed before the contact, and since Barry attempted to avoid the contact, there was no foul.


He did land -- On Barry's head.

[LakersMark]

Well in that case, Kobe travels on every first step he takes to the basket.

You're a fucking idiot if you truly believe that was a travel.
Just giving a different view of the play get a grip.

[E.O.A.O.]

True

I know that False is True. And here is the proof.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
Are you blind or what?

Yes Barry got fisher in the air BEFORE the travel but contact NEVER happened before the travel.

LOOK Fish is in the air. Barry picks up pivot foot then about 0.4 seconds later FISH hits him. Maybe that's why you think it's a foul before travel cuz it happened way too fast. :D

[mexicanjunior]

I know that False is True. And here is the proof.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg
Are you blind or what?

Yes Barry got fisher in the air BEFORE the travel but contact NEVER happened before the travel.

LOOK Fish is in the air. Barry picks up pivot foot then about 0.4 seconds later FISH hits him. Maybe that's why you think it's a foul before travel cuz it happened way too fast. :D

Are you blind? How can you say that was "incidental contact" when Fisher clearly lands on his head...Barry picks up pivot foot then about 0.4 seconds earlier FISH hits him. Maybe that's why you think it's a travel before a foul cuz it happened way too fast. :D

[N4th4n]

He did land -- On Barry's head.

Why does it matter - HE TRAVLED! You can't refute that, all you can say is gay. No one has actualy adressed this fact.

[LakersMark]

Seemed his right foot didn't take a step until he dribbled the ball so I don't think so... The ball is still in his hand when he takes a step with his right foot.

[E.O.A.O.]

Are you blind? How can you say that was "incidental contact" when Fisher clearly lands on his head...Barry picks up pivot foot then about 0.4 seconds earlier FISH hits him. Maybe that's why you think it's a travel before a foul cuz it happened way too fast. :D

LOL I'm just going to stop... its either you or your computer is fucked up. WHEN DID I EVER SAY IT WAS INCIDENTAL LOL!!!!!!!!

Watch carefully please!!! HE PICKS IT UP AND THEN FISH NAILS BARRY ON THE HEAD!! LOOOOL FUCKING BLIND!

[BruceBowenFan]

On Dan Patrick's show this morning, Jason Terry, known Spurs-hater, said the refs blew the foul call on Barry.


Said that had this game been in LA and that had been Kobe, that Kobe would definitely be going to the line for 2.


:stirpot:

:wow

[DarrinS]

Why does it matter - HE TRAVLED! You can't refute that, all you can say is gay. No one has actualy adressed this fact.

"gay" was in reference to the team name under your avatar

[LakerLanny]

Why does it matter - HE TRAVLED! You can't refute that, all you can say is gay. No one has actualy adressed this fact.

They refuse to see it.

This occured after three blown calls, all in their favor in the last minute to even get the game to that point.

You have the goaltend that was actually a clean block (LO got it before it hit the board, it is clear on replay), you have Manu standing on the line on his "3" and then you have the Fisher shot that hit the rim with 5 seconds left that should have reset the clock. Thus Kobe would not have had to force a shot (that he was fouled on also by the way) and the Spurs would have been forced to foul.

They likely would have been down 4 pts with 2 or 3 seconds left if that call is made and that isn't even discussing Duncan's four step dunk, the ridiculous FT attempt differential through the first 3 quarters, the blocking call on Odom (after Spurs were flopping all game long for charging calls), the fact Kobe Bryant has more offensive fouls than FT attempts in the series, etc.

Spur fan overall has disappointed me. They simply (with a few notable exceptions) aren't very smart.

[E.O.A.O.]

lOL I THINK I KNOW WHAT MEXICAN IS TALKING ABOUT NOW! I THINK HES TALKING ABOUT HE LIFTED HIS PIVOT FOOT WHEN HE JUMPED TO SHOOT!!! LOLLLLL DUMBASS NOOOOOOOO HE DRIBBLED. BUT PICKED UP HIS FOOT BEFORE!!!

[MoSpur]

I heard that this morning too. He was being honest and the sad thing is, he is probably right. If its Kobe and not Barry, Kobe is going to the line.

[mexicanjunior]

LOL I'm just going to stop... its either you or your computer is fucked up. WHEN DID I EVER SAY IT WAS INCIDENTAL LOL!!!!!!!!

Watch carefully please!!! HE PICKS IT UP AND THEN FISH NAILS BARRY ON THE HEAD!! LOOOOL FUCKING BLIND!

Sorry, got you confused with your Laker brethren that posted this crap since you guys all pretty much say the same shit and make the same threads...

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements.

Since Fish jumped and landed before the contact, and since Barry attempted to avoid the contact, there was no foul.

[brettn]

He's bringing his right foot forward as he's dribbling the ball. Players do this all the time on their first step. The only difference is his forward movement is stopped by fisher running into him. Foul.

[E.O.A.O.]

Spurs fans refuse to see it. He traveled before anything. And Everyone on the TNT studio agreed with the no call. Terry Hates Kobe. And he is sitting at home watching. And so will the Spurs.

[N4th4n]

He's bringing his right foot forward as he's dribbling the ball. Players do this all the time on their first step. The only difference is his forward movement is stopped by fisher running into him. Foul.

Pivot foot lifts before the ball hits the ground - TRAVEL

[mexicanjunior]

lOL I THINK I KNOW WHAT MEXICAN IS TALKING ABOUT NOW! I THINK HES TALKING ABOUT HE LIFTED HIS PIVOT FOOT WHEN HE JUMPED TO SHOOT!!! LOLLLLL DUMBASS NOOOOOOOO HE DRIBBLED. BUT PICKED UP HIS FOOT BEFORE!!!

If Kobe can sit there and say no foul, I can sit here and say no travel...It looks to me like contact was initiated first...This sounds like when Duncan made the 3 and Suns fans were crying for a travel also, did you think that was one as well?

[jaysmooth422]

Whether it's a foul on Fisher or not, it becomes moot when Barry moves his pivot foot and travels before any contact.

Granted, it was nowhere near as obvious as Duncan's little skip-to-my-lou in the first half, but just watch Barry's feet the replay. You had two "no-calls" in the last 3 seconds. If anything SHOULD have been called, it would be whatever occurs first.

that was not a travel lol what are you guys talking about he caught the ball went for a pump fake and got fisher in the air and he tried to dribble around him bottom line. its really not a coincidence that this game ended the way it did. put an asterisk next to the lakers if they win this series.

[E.O.A.O.]

Sorry, got you confused with your Laker brethren that posted this crap since you guys all pretty much say the same shit and make the same threads...

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements.

Since Fish jumped and landed before the contact, and since Barry attempted to avoid the contact, there was no foul.

LOL WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOULS/CONTACS/NO CALLS.

HE FUCKING TRAVELED!!!!! :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[FromWayDowntown]

They refuse to see it.

This occured after three blown calls, all in their favor in the last minute to even get the game to that point.

You have the goaltend that was actually a clean block (LO got it before it hit the board, it is clear on replay), you have Manu standing on the line on his "3" and then you have the Fisher shot that hit the rim with 5 seconds left that should have reset the clock. Thus Kobe would not have had to force a shot (that he was fouled on also by the way) and the Spurs would have been forced to foul.

They likely would have been down 4 pts with 2 or 3 seconds left if that call is made and that isn't even discussing Duncan's four step dunk, the ridiculous FT attempt differential through the first 3 quarters, the blocking call on Odom (after Spurs were flopping all game long for charging calls), the fact Kobe Bryant has more offensive fouls than FT attempts in the series, etc.

Spur fan overall has disappointed me. They simply (with a few notable exceptions) aren't very smart.

Had the uniforms on that play been switched, you know damned well that you'd be claiming conspriacies and fixes. Don't give me all of this self-righteous nonsense -- you of all people!

Significantly, that call didn't cost the Spurs that game. I thought the officiating was, on the whole, good last night -- the Spurs weren't always rewarded for taking the ball at the rim, but that meant that both teams were allowed to play physically on the defensive end. Ultimately, the officials allowed the teams to play. While there was some inconsistency between early calls and late calls, and even some calls that were incorrect, those things are to be expected.

What's ridiculous, however, is Lakers fan coming in here and carrying on as if that play, occurring on the other end of the floor, wouldn't have incited a riot of controversy among the Laker Nation and all sorts of claims of fixes and other such nonsense. And I'm absolutely certain that had that come to pass, Lanny would have been leading the charge with his nonsensical Circle of 7 claims and theories about how the league is out to screw over the Lakers. Hell, Lanny's still screaming about jump ball violations that occurred 4 years ago -- imagine a play like that one actually going against the Lakers!!! Lanny's head would explode with the conspiracy theories he could concoct from that moment (hypothetical as it may be).

[DarrinS]

Pivot foot lifts before the ball hits the ground - TRAVEL


Ok, I see it now, but that's a fraction of a second before Barry's head is pile-driven by Derek's elbow. THAT travel was very subtle and would probably NEVER get called. What was OBVIOUS was Fisher landing on Brents head.


It's all a mute point anyway.

[mexicanjunior]

LOL WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOULS/CONTACS/NO CALLS.

HE FUCKING TRAVELED!!!!! :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

No travel...enjoy your * win and soon to be 2nd place finish to the East... :lol

[jaysmooth422]

how does none of that shit matter?? lets subtract parkers layup -2 points u guys would be down 4. hell lets subtract the travel as well -6 stop bitching spurs u guys got all the fukin calls and dont tell me u guys didnt ill be happy to sit with u and watch the game over and tell me the refs didnt keep u in the game.

thread/

none of the fouls we got dictated who won the game though.

[DarrinS]

Spurs fans refuse to see it. He traveled before anything. And Everyone on the TNT studio agreed with the no call. Terry Hates Kobe. And he is sitting at home watching. And so will the Spurs.


But the national media is not talking about this "travel" because it is lame.

[E.O.A.O.]

that was not a travel lol what are you guys talking about he caught the ball went for a pump fake and got fisher in the air and he tried to dribble around him bottom line. its really not a coincidence that this game ended the way it did. put an asterisk next to the lakers if they win this series.

Jeeeeeez. You don't know what a travel is... dont you?

He landed with two feet. He landed with the Right one first so that is his pivot foot. He tried to take one dribble away from Fisher but when he did that he LIFTED his pivot foot before the BALL HIT THE GROUND. Which makes it a travel. It's the rules. Too bad rules don't matter anymore in the NBA these days.

If the Refs missed a call by not calling a foul on Fisher then they missed a travel on Barry. End of discussion. This thread has no more purpose.

[jaysmooth422]

yes there was alot of fouls on the lakers but thats how they play they do alot of pushing play with alot of contact and granted they get away with alot of that shit in la its called home court advantage.

[DarrinS]

LOL WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOULS/CONTACS/NO CALLS.

HE FUCKING TRAVELED!!!!! :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


Why don't you travel your ass away from this board?

[mexicanjunior]

Spurs fans refuse to see it. He traveled before anything. And Everyone on the TNT studio agreed with the no call. Terry Hates Kobe. And he is sitting at home watching. And so will the Spurs.

Why would Terry hate Kobe...you are reaching for straws now...enjoy your * win and 2nd place finish to the East... :lol

[Don_In_Redondo]

Ok, I see it now, but that's a fraction of a second before Barry's head is pile-driven by Derek's elbow. THAT travel was very subtle and would probably NEVER get called. What was OBVIOUS was Fisher landing on Brents head.


It's all a mute point anyway.

No, what was obvious was Timmy Duncan's hop-skip-and-jump in the first half (someone 'roll tape'). Give us that one back and you can have your foul. Quite obviously here, Barry moves the pivot foot before the contact, when he should have gone up and attempted a shot. Then you get your foul and no movement of the pivot foot.

[LakerLanny]

What's ridiculous, however, is Lakers fan coming in here and carrying on as if that play, occurring on the other end of the floor, wouldn't have incited a riot of controversy among the Laker Nation and all sorts of claims of fixes and other such nonsense. And I'm absolutely certain that had that come to pass, Lanny would have been leading the charge with his nonsensical Circle of 7 claims and theories about how the league is out to screw over the Lakers. Hell, Lanny's still screaming about jump ball violations that occurred 4 years ago -- imagine a play like that one actually going against the Lakers!!! Lanny's head would explode with the conspiracy theories he could concoct from that moment (hypothetical as it may be).

With the other events of the last minute, I like to think I would have been able to take the high road.....particularly when it is obvious Barry moved both feet and traveled anyway.

But your point is a valid one and well taken, it would have been a hard pill to swallow.

The series isn't over yet, the Lakers have had a nasty habit of making 3-1 series leads close or even blowing them.

[brettn]

Exactly what I said. Kobe in LA gets this call everytime.

[E.O.A.O.]

No travel...enjoy your * win and soon to be 2nd place finish to the East... :lol

LOL You refuse to even take a look and just keep posting No Travel. And we certainly will enjoy our "*" win as everyone even your coach agreed that it was a no call. Even Brent Barry himself everyone in the TNT studios etc.

We will enjoy it to the fullest :D

[jaysmooth422]

Jeeeeeez. You don't know what a travel is... dont you?

He landed with two feet. He landed with the Right one first so that is his pivot foot. He tried to take one dribble away from Fisher but when he did that he LIFTED his pivot foot before the BALL HIT THE GROUND. Which makes it a travel. It's the rules. Too bad rules don't matter anymore in the NBA these days.

If the Refs missed a call by not calling a foul on Fisher then they missed a travel on Barry. End of discussion. This thread has no more purpose.

that was not a travel ive watched the video about a hundred times i dont see the travel surely if it was all the espn analyst would of underlined along with all you faker fans. but no instead all the critics all the analyst are questioning the foul by fisher not a fucking travel. you have your lakers glasses on

[DarrinS]

No, what was obvious was Timmy Duncan's hop-skip-and-jump in the first half (someone 'roll tape'). Give us that one back and you can have your foul. Quite obviously here, Barry moves the pivot foot before the contact, when he should have gone up and attempted a shot. Then you get your foul and no movement of the pivot foot.


Tim travelled. See, I can admit when I see an obvious mistake by refs.

Other people can't seem to do that.

[mexicanjunior]

LOL You refuse to even take a look and just keep posting No Travel. And we certainly will enjoy our "*" win as everyone even your coach agreed that it was a no call. Even Brent Barry himself everyone in the TNT studios etc.

We will enjoy it to the fullest :D

Awesome...I'm sure it will bring you comfort as the East holds up the O'Brien trophy...congrats... :lol

[jaysmooth422]

that was not a travel ive watched the video about a hundred times i dont see the travel surely if it was all the espn analyst would of underlined along with all you faker fans. but no instead all the critics all the analyst are questioning the foul by fisher not a fucking travel. you have your lakers glasses on

an asterisk on the lakers if they win this series please. as a matter of fact i'll put an asterisk on them for that cheat trade they got away with. you do know that that play right there will overshadow them if they win this series right?

[N4th4n]

Tim travelled. See, I can admit when I see an obvious mistake by refs.

Other people can't seem to do that.

Lakers fans are blind as well. If that had been Kobe it WOULD be 2 free throws. It all evens out; the lakers were getting screwed on the last couple of calls in the game. The Spurs were given 3 points with Manu's three and the goaltend. The three was an obvious 2 and the goaltend was a clean block!

[Kori Ellis]

You all really need to start using this thread. We don't need 10, 20, 30 threads about the same play. It's ridiculous.

[defnite]

Just like they got a no call, so did we when tim duncan ran the ball in with out dribbling the ball once. The refs were favoring the spurs, we could have won but didn't.

[E.O.A.O.]

Awesome...I'm sure it will bring you comfort as the East holds up the O'Brien trophy...congrats... :lol

Definitely! Lets Go CELTICS!!!! WHOOO!

[Kori Ellis]

And by the way, the Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound all night. Who cares if Barry got fouled/traveled/whatever. The Spurs got gift calls throughout the first half. If you want to nitpick the Barry play, nitpick every play of the game and go crazy about all of them. If the Spurs would have rebounded even a LITTLE bit better, they would have won.

[WCFBaby]

Just like they got a no call, so did we when tim duncan ran the ball in with out dribbling the ball once. The refs were favoring the spurs, we could have won but didn't.

DING DING DING!!! The Lakers overcame the refs and broken down spurs for the big victory! :downspin:

[E.O.A.O.]

And by the way, the Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound all night. Who cares if Barry got fouled/traveled/whatever. The Spurs got gift calls throughout the first half. If you want to nitpick the Barry play, nitpick every play of the game and go crazy about all of them. If the Spurs would have rebounded even a LITTLE bit better, they would have won.

Well not every Spurs fans are the same. Some are mature and understand. Others can't take the truth. Even when the evidence is staring right at them. He traveled.

[LakeShow]

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[ducks]

And by the way, the Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound all night. Who cares if Barry got fouled/traveled/whatever. The Spurs got gift calls throughout the first half. If you want to nitpick the Barry play, nitpick every play of the game and go crazy about all of them. If the Spurs would have rebounded even a LITTLE bit better, they would have won.
blame the rebounding
blame the lack of production from MANU
blame the no free throws to the spurs in the 4

[Kori Ellis]

blame the rebounding
blame the lack of production from MANU
blame the no free throws to the spurs in the 4

Barry's production made up for Manu's production.

Just blame the rebounding.

[E.O.A.O.]

DING DING DING!!! The Lakers overcame the refs and broken down spurs for the big victory! :downspin:



HEs the only fan that actually realized they were getting favored by the refs throughout the game.

[samikeyp]

And by the way, the Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound all night. Who cares if Barry got fouled/traveled/whatever. The Spurs got gift calls throughout the first half. If you want to nitpick the Barry play, nitpick every play of the game and go crazy about all of them. If the Spurs would have rebounded even a LITTLE bit better, they would have won.

very true, if the Spurs had grabbed just two of those offensive rebounds that LA grabbed and put back in, they would have won the game. Lack of rebounding and missing a ton of wide open looks doomed SA.

[Kori Ellis]

HEs the only fan that actually realized they were getting favored by the refs throughout the game.

No he's not. I have said that in about 10 threads since yesterday. So have many other Spurs fans.

[WCFBaby]

He traveled because he was trying to avoid Fisher landing on him. Anyways, it's over.

On to game 5.

It's still a travel nimrod.

[E.O.A.O.]

No he's not. I have said that in about 10 threads since yesterday. So have many other Spurs fans.

Good. Then maybe these other people will agree.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

That's a loser's mindset though. You don't go into a last second play looking to create a foul. You go into the play looking to make a basket because you are confident enough in your ability to hit a game-tying or game-winning shot.

I seriously doubt that Barry's intention was to get a fould called. He actually tried pump-faking in order to go around Fisher to get a cleaner and closer look at the basket, but Fisher jumped up and into him, instead of just jumping straight up, in which case Barry wouldn't have been hit and he would have been able to succesfully get to a closer spot on the foor for the winner.

Bottom line,
Barry made the right play.
Fisher made the wrong play.
Yet, Fisher/Lakers get rewarded.

It was an inexplicable non-call.

That stuff gets called ALL THE TIME. In fact, refs hand the foul out on these kinds of plays so liberally - even when the offensive player initiates all the contact - I thought it'd be a for sure foul, like it should have, and would have, had the refs just decided to be fair.

[samikeyp]

I did? Oh yay I want to be a Spurs fan.

Apparently.


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[LEONARD]

This is all so delicious... :lol

[ThugStyle]

It is What it is lets get over it Spurs will beat Lakers in 3 straight games so lets look to game 5

[WCFBaby]

I seriously doubt that Barry's intention was to get a fould called. He actually tried pump-faking in order to go around Fisher to get a cleaner and closer look at the basket, but Fisher jumped up and into him, instead of just jumping straight up, in which case Barry wouldn't have been hit and he would have been able to succesfully get to a closer spot on the foor for the winner.

Bottom line,
Barry made the right play.
Fisher made the wrong play.
Yet, Fisher/Lakers get rewarded.

It was an inexplicable non-call.

That stuff gets called ALL THE TIME. In fact, refs hand the foul out on these kinds of plays so liberally - even when the offensive player initiates all the contact - I thought it'd be a for sure foul, like it should have, and would have, had the refs just decided to be fair.

Are you still just choosing to ignore:
1. Odom's block was just that..a block...yet it was called goal-tending
2. Fishers shot hit the rim, yet the shot clock was reset givin the Spurs one last shot.
3. Barry traveled on that last play prior to contact
4. Manu was on the line when he hit that "3"...should have been a "2"

Selective memory rules in San Antonio!

[mexicanjunior]

HEs the only fan that actually realized they were getting favored by the refs throughout the game.

*

[SPARKY]

It's still a travel nimrod.

So players should be called for violations forced by someone fouling them. Brilliant.

[MateoNeygro]

:flag:Spurs can still win the series ya'll!! It was a foul on fisher but barry wasn't shooting yet so at best it would have been overtime. The Spurs have lost 2 very frustrating games this series but I still feel they can pull this shit off.

[MateoNeygro]

Oh Yah And Fuck The Lakers Especially Derek Fuckin Fisher

[WCFBaby]

So players should be called for violations forced by someone fouling them. Brilliant.

He traveled while anticipating the contact.
So, it was a travel. Just another no-call for the Spurs.

[carib]

Can we end this shit who cares we got beat, grow some legs and get a rebound.

[MateoNeygro]

Leave it to Laker fans to love a rapist. If the Spurs get ousted i'mma personally burn down the whole shitty smoggy fake city of Los Angeles...NO WAIT the LA fans will do it for me. ASS CLOWNS

[carib]

If we are crying over this game when we got out played, what are you going to cry about when we loose this series.

[WCFBaby]

Oh Yah And Fuck The Lakers Especially Derek Fuckin Fisher

Go pick some strawberries.

[whottt]

I don't care who was being favored by what...you can't just jump on a guy taking the last shot of the game. That's a foul.

And unless I've missed something somwhere along the way in the 1500 basketball games I've watched...it's never been allowed before.


But I say great...any time someone is taking the last shot of the game, you just jump on them. That's the way it is now...



Kobe pulling up...you just fucking jump on him, body block him, so he can't take the shot.


Simple...I can't believe we were so stupid as to never realize you can just jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Just think of all those game winning shots in NBA history...all the opposing teams had to do, was simply jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Phil = genius.


I'll miss the era when players were actually allowed to take game winning shots...but never let it be said I stood in the way of progress...jump on the guy shooting the ball...that's all you got to do.



Just think...if only those guy's had jumped on Jordan as he was shooting all those game winners. Now we know...you just jump on the guy shooting the ball.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Are you still just choosing to ignore:
1. Odom's block was just that..a block...yet it was called goal-tending
2. Fishers shot hit the rim, yet the shot clock was reset givin the Spurs one last shot.
3. Barry traveled on that last play prior to contact
4. Manu was on the line when he hit that "3"...should have been a "2"

Selective memory rules in San Antonio!

I can't verify 1 or 4. I haven't seen the replays enought times. As for Barry's travel - sorry but he didn' travel.

There is a difference between a missed call and a bad call.

Missed call - 1,2,3.
Bad call: non-call at the end of regulation

[mexicanjunior]

on the last play. Have you seen or heard anyone from the media agree with your travel assesment? Any links of audio or video of media proclaiming the travel occured? Just curious...

[whottt]

Lakerfans...will you guys miss Kobe taking game winners? I mean...according to you guys it's just totally ok for someone to jump on him as he is trying to get the shot off....which means you have likely seen the last game winning shot attempt by Kobe. Just jump on him...

Never have to be worried about game winning shot again, you just jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Brilliant.

The NBA is really going to go places with this rule.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Barry did not travel: This is a stupid fabrication by LA fans hoping to justify in their minds the horrible no call at the end. He clearly did not travel.

[WCFBaby]

I don't care who was being favored by what...you can't just jump on a guy taking the last shot of the game. That's a foul.

And unless I've missed something somwhere along the way in the 1500 basketball games I've watched...it's never been allowed before.


But I say great...any time someone is taking the last shot of the game, you just jump on them. That's the way it is now...



Kobe pulling up...you just fucking jump on him, body block him, so he can't take the shot.


Simple...I can't believe we were so stupid as to never realize you can just jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Just think of all those game winning shots in NBA history...all the opposing teams had to do, was simply jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Phil = genius.


I'll miss the era when players were actually allowed to take game winning shots...but never let it be said I stood in the way of progress...jump on the guy shooting the ball...that's all you got to do.



Just think...if only those guy's had jumped on Jordan as he was shooting all those game winners. Now we know...you just jump on the guy shooting the ball.

Keep whining lil bitch!

[the_franchise]

you guys are some cry babies, look at the repaly, barry traveled before putting the ball down. he moved both feet before dribbling, which is a travel. so it all evens out. and you idiots trying to say its conspiracy need to shut the hell up, you guys are just old and slow, and the lakers are better, more athletic, and hungrier. you guys choked game 1 away and now you're paying for it, it coulda, woulda, and shoulda been 2-2 but now its 3-1. get over it, and talk all you want about coming back next year, it will only get worse because we got bynum coming back. if we had a healthy bynum and a healthy ariza playing this year we would've swept you guys.

[whottt]

I'll remember the days fondly when clutch was a part of the game...


But let's face it, just jumping on the guy shooting the ball is an advancement in the game.



Can you believe how stupid the Trailblazers were on the MDM? All they had to do was just jump on Elliott...they just should have jumped on him. Game over.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Put an * by this game.

[rAm]

I don't get all the bitching about Barry travelling when Kobe did the same thing at the top of the key the play before.

That was BEFORE fisher's shot supposedly hit the rim. We should of had the ball with 17 seconds left to tie/win the game.

So suck on that :whine

[samikeyp]

"we" :lol

[whottt]

Keep whining lil bitch!


Keep being a corrupt piece of shit who roots for rapists...fucking lowlife.

[rAm]

you guys are some cry babies, look at the repaly, barry traveled before putting the ball down. he moved both feet before dribbling, which is a travel. so it all evens out. and you idiots trying to say its conspiracy need to shut the hell up, you guys are just old and slow, and the lakers are better, more athletic, and hungrier. you guys choked game 1 away and now you're paying for it, it coulda, woulda, and shoulda been 2-2 but now its 3-1. get over it, and talk all you want about coming back next year, it will only get worse because we got bynum coming back. if we had a healthy bynum and a healthy ariza playing this year we would've swept you guys.

Should be 3-1 Spurs. kthx.

[WCFBaby]

Leave it to Laker fans to love a rapist. If the Spurs get ousted i'mma personally burn down the whole shitty smoggy fake city of Los Angeles...NO WAIT the LA fans will do it for me. ASS CLOWNS

Rapist? You must be talking about Ginobili and the ball boys because there isn't a Laker that's ever been convicted of raping anybody.

[WCFBaby]

Lakerfans...will you guys miss Kobe taking game winners? I mean...according to you guys it's just totally ok for someone to jump on him as he is trying to get the shot off....which means you have likely seen the last game winning shot attempt by Kobe. Just jump on him...

Never have to be worried about game winning shot again, you just jump on the guy shooting the ball.


Brilliant.

The NBA is really going to go places with this rule.

Fisher's contact with Barry was prior to the shot. NOT during the shot (and lets not forget that Barry traveled prior to the contact...so...should have been Lakers ball prior to contact and weak ass shot).

[WCFBaby]

you guys are some cry babies, look at the repaly, barry traveled before putting the ball down. he moved both feet before dribbling, which is a travel. so it all evens out. and you idiots trying to say its conspiracy need to shut the hell up, you guys are just old and slow, and the lakers are better, more athletic, and hungrier. you guys choked game 1 away and now you're paying for it, it coulda, woulda, and shoulda been 2-2 but now its 3-1. get over it, and talk all you want about coming back next year, it will only get worse because we got bynum coming back. if we had a healthy bynum and a healthy ariza playing this year we would've swept you guys.

Ding Fucking Ding...........RIGHT ON!

[DazedAndConfused]

Spur fan should be absolutely ashamed of himself.

You cannot whine about the last no-call until you admit to the following

1.) Lamar Odom got a clean block on Parker
2.) Derek Fisher's shot hit the rim

That's 2 calls against the Lakers vs. 1 call against the Spurs. In the end, it all evens out and the better team won the game. Championship teams win in spite of crappy refs, and the bottomline is SAS didn't get it done. LAL did what no team has done so far in the playoffs, come into SA and dominate a game from start to finish. Give credit where credit is due and stop your whining.

[rAm]

Fisher's contact with Barry was prior to the shot. NOT during the shot (and lets not forget that Barry traveled prior to the contact...so...should have been Lakers ball prior to contact and weak ass shot).

If you are going to call that travel, then you must call travel on Kobe on 30% of every drive he makes.

You are looking at the play through a microscope, while the foul was apparent to anyone not wearing their prescribed glasses.

[rAm]

Spur fan should be absolutely ashamed of himself.

You cannot whine about the last no-call until you admit to the following

1.) Lamar Odom got a clean block on Parker
2.) Derek Fisher's shot hit the rim

That's 2 calls against the Lakers vs. 1 call against the Spurs. In the end, it all evens out and the better team won the game. Championship teams win in spite of crappy refs, and the bottomline is SAS didn't get it done. LAL did what no team has done so far in the playoffs, come into SA and dominate a game from start to finish. Give credit where credit is due and stop your whining.

Kobe traveled at the top of the key before Fisher's shot, should be our ball with plenty of time on the clock to come up with a play that isn't Barry being at the top of the key with a no call. KTHX.

[whottt]

Fisher's contact with Barry was prior to the shot. NOT during the shot (and lets not forget that Barry traveled prior to the contact...so...should have been Lakers ball prior to contact and weak ass shot).



I don't give a fuck...you can't jump on the guy shooting the ball taking the last shot...period. It fucks up the game.

You want a game when Kobe pulls up someone just jumps on him and hte game is over?

Of course you don't...you'll just take a win like that.


That's because you're a piece of shit...

[WCFBaby]

I don't get all the bitching about Barry travelling when Kobe did the same thing at the top of the key the play before.

That was BEFORE fisher's shot supposedly hit the rim. We should of had the ball with 17 seconds left to tie/win the game.

So suck on that :whine

"supposedly hit the rim".....are you blind or just dumb? Lets not forget the goal-tending call on Odom that was a clean block and the 3 by Manu that was clearly a 2. The last 17 seconds wouldn't have even mattered.

[rAm]

a "clean" block isn't a block that you have to go back and review with a high speed camera only to find that it could of been called either way.

[WCFBaby]

Keep being a corrupt piece of shit who roots for rapists...fucking lowlife.

LOL.......don't hate......CELEBRATE!!:lobt2::lobt::downspin:

[DazedAndConfused]

Wahhh!!!!!!!! Wahhh!!!!!! Wah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the_franchise]

face reality spurs fans, you shouldm't be mad at the refs for one call when you guys were getting calls all night and the refs were swallowing their whistle for you too. you should be mad at the fact that you guys couldn't take advantage of the opportunities you had to take control of the game, missing open shot after open shot. the refs had nothing to do with that. you should be mad at manu for only scoring 7 points, you should be at their rest of your bench players outside of barry that contributed nothing to the game.

[whottt]

I'll give credit to the first LakerFan who admits that was the most blatant no call in NBA history, that decided the outcome of the game, right there on National Television...and who says that he doesn't give a shit because he just cares about the Lakers winning...

That's a fan with integrity. I don't expect you guys to feel bad about winning...I expect you to say fuck us and you'll take the win anyway you can get it...


What I don't expect is for you guys to act like that's normal fucking play that happens hundreds of times in the course of a year, or that it was somehow a judgement call and the refs can't be expected to see it at full speed.

It wasn't a judgement call...and it was a blatantly obvious game altering foul the second he did it. Stop denying it.

Because only a decietful fucking idiot thinks that.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Unbelievable. That gets called all the time. The foul on the defensive player is called almost invariably on plays such as that one, even when the contact being made by the defense player coming down isn't nearly as obvious as yesterday's.

I mean, Manu was going to get called for one at half court not that long ago, but luckly if I remember correctly, time ran out before the shot was taken.

[WCFBaby]

I don't give a fuck...you can't jump on the guy shooting the ball taking the last shot...period. It fucks up the game.

You want a game when Kobe pulls up someone just jumps on him and hte game is over?

Of course you don't...you'll just take a win like that.


That's because you're a piece of shit...

Dude, settle down, take a deep breath and relax for a second. Now, read slowwwwwwwwwwwwwly:
1. Watch the replay in slow motion.....Barry moved both feet prior to putting the ball on the floor. That, spurs fan, is traveling. Result should have been Lakers ball (= game over).
2. AFTER Barry traveled Fisher made body contact with Barry PRIOR to Barry attempting to shoot (Barry actually took a dribble AFTER the contact). So, two foul shots at best (if we're overlooking the no-call on the travel).

[WCFBaby]

a "clean" block isn't a block that you have to go back and review with a high speed camera only to find that it could of been called either way.

No, not "either way".....a block is a block and a goal-tend is a goal-tend. Odom's was a block. Next.

[Primetime LA]

I am a Laker fan and that was a foul. But it wasn't a shooting foul and the lakers had a foul to give. So barry would not have shot free throws.

[urunobili]

Dude, settle down, take a deep breath and relax for a second. Now, read slowwwwwwwwwwwwwly:
1. Watch the replay in slow motion.....Barry moved both feet prior to putting the ball on the floor. That, spurs fan, is traveling. Result should have been Lakers ball (= game over).
2. AFTER Barry traveled Fisher made body contact with Barry PRIOR to Barry attempting to shoot (Barry actually took a dribble AFTER the contact). So, two foul shots at best (if we're overlooking the no-call on the travel).

just leave already motherfucker... :nope

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Spur fan should be absolutely ashamed of himself.

You cannot whine about the last no-call until you admit to the following

1.) Lamar Odom got a clean block on Parker
2.) Derek Fisher's shot hit the rim

That's 2 calls against the Lakers vs. 1 call against the Spurs. In the end, it all evens out and the better team won the game. Championship teams win in spite of crappy refs, and the bottomline is SAS didn't get it done. LAL did what no team has done so far in the playoffs, come into SA and dominate a game from start to finish. Give credit where credit is due and stop your whining.


As I said, there is a difference between missed call and a bad call

Missed calls result when a ref is incapable of making a call because of his/her inability see the play.

A bad call results when a ref doesn't call something when he/she did in fact see the play, but for whatever reason fails to call the play the correct way .

[DazedAndConfused]

None of this matters.

Derek Fisher's shot hit the rim which would have reset the shot clock to 24 seconds.

* this win all you want. As a fan I can go home and sleep well at night knowing the better team is winning this series.

[WCFBaby]

I'll give credit to the first LakerFan who admits that was the most blatant no call in NBA history, that decided the outcome of the game, right there on National Television...and who says that he doesn't give a shit because he just cares about the Lakers winning...

That's a fan with integrity. I don't expect you guys to feel bad about winning...I expect you to say fuck us and you'll take the win anyway you can get it...


What I don't expect is for you guys to act like that's normal fucking play that happens hundreds of times in the course of a year, or that it was somehow a judgement call and the refs can't be expected to see it at full speed.

It wasn't a judgement call...and it was a blatantly obvious game altering foul the second he did it. Stop denying it.

Because only a decietful fucking idiot thinks that.

It was a normal fucking play that happens hundreds of times in the course of a year. Also, it's a judgement call and the refs can't be expected to see it at full speed. :ihit

[whottt]

I don't give a fuck about that...I don't give a fuck about who the refs favored or how many bad calls there were in the game...


I give a fuck about the fact that a player was allowd to jump on a player taking a game winning shot and prevent him from shooting...

Do you really want the NBA to start calling games like that?

Of course you don't, you just want the win...so stop excusing it and stop defending it...you only make yourself look worse. Get out of the sewer.