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    Maybe, but, there’s at least a chance he sticks to his core values. With every other Democrat in the field (even Warren) it’s a certainty they would get set straight on day 1 the same way Obama did after promising hope and change.
    Will, Sanders will be so jazzed he'll agree to anything just to have AT LEAST 4 years in that House.

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    The EC has given a false impression of what most Americans actually want
    I blame the Senate more than the EC at this point. The 2008 election gave a pretty ing clear impression of what Americans want going by either the EC or a popular vote, and since then the senate has been the place where any meaningful post financial crisis reform went to die.

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    Will, Sanders will be so jazzed he'll agree to anything just to have AT LEAST 4 years in that House.
    of course he wants in that house; free boarding, free everything!

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    I blame the Senate more than the EC at this point. The 2008 election gave a pretty ing clear impression of what Americans want going by either the EC or a popular vote, and since then the senate has been the place where any meaningful post financial crisis reform went to die.
    The senate also contributes to the EC problem

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    The senate also contributes to the EC problem
    How so, 21, seriously?

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    Back to the tired old bag way of doing it, eh, bum?

    With the caveat that "we'll" buy in & bury the hatchet like (it) never happened. But, even if we don't buy it your MSM will bury us so deep we won't see light.
    Son you're the one who has a media empire behind him. Ain't no media in this country that has Bernie's back.

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    Son you're the one who has a media empire behind him. Ain't no media in this country that has Bernie's back.
    True, bum, but, after MSM has done everything to waylay Bernie & he is left standing at the end anyway they'll embrace him. It won't be Clinton, or, Obama, but, it'll be close enough. (They'll) get in there & lay down the law to him.

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    True, bum, but, after MSM has done everything to waylay Bernie & he is left standing at the end anyway they'll embrace him. It won't be Clinton, or, Obama, but, it'll be close enough. (They'll) get in there & lay down the law to him.
    The media will never embrace a threat to the oligarchy like Bernie. Never. Not in a million years.

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    True, bum, but, after MSM has done everything to waylay Bernie & he is left standing at the end anyway they'll embrace him. It won't be Clinton, or, Obama, but, it'll be close enough. (They'll) get in there & lay down the law to him.
    If Bernie wins the nomination what's going to happen is Bloomberg runs a third party spoiler campaign and the non-Fox, non-ClearChannel, non-Sinclair media will fawn all over him. Which gets us four more years of our Dear Leader in charge. Grim days, cubby.

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    Son you're the one who has a media empire behind him. Ain't no media in this country that has Bernie's back.

    Which is crazy. Not sure why they don't want to get behind the candidate who can likely beat Trump. It sure won't be Biden.

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    How so, 21, seriously?
    the number of Electoral College votes you get from each state is the number of Representatives + Senators a state has. for example:

    Texas has 36 state reps, 2 senators = 38 electoral votes

    Wyoming has 1 state rep, 2 senators = 3 electoral votes

    Texas has ~25 million people per the last census, while wyoming has ~563k

    so texas has roughly 44x more people than wyoming. in an ideal world, TX would therefore have 44x the electoral votes of wyoming for the math to be sound, and for every american's vote to carry the same weight.

    if you just go by the representatives, you are close, but not quite there (36 to 1). when you factor in the senators, the small states disproportionately benefit. the 38 electoral votes for TX and 3 for WY amount to just under a 13:1 ratio, even though their populations are 44:1

    small states disproportionately benefit from the senate, and that inequality also contributes to the math of the EC

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    Which is crazy. Not sure why they don't want to get behind the candidate who can likely beat Trump. It sure won't be Biden.
    the media is owned by the oligarchy, their investors, all Capitalists, none whom want to pay the taxes that Bernie and Liz want.

    While Liz looks weak now, the DNC, Clintons/Obama, the $$$ corporatist Dems will block Bernie. He doesn't have chance.

    ... confirming that voting is a sham. If by a miracle, Bernie gets into the WH, the non-progressive Dem House will not hand him the bills he ran on,

    and he will not be able to rebuild the Exec branch agencies after the years of destruction by the Repugs and Trash.

    America is ed and un able.
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    the number of Electoral College votes you get from each state is the number of Representatives + Senators a state has. for example:

    Texas has 36 state reps, 2 senators = 38 electoral votes

    Wyoming has 1 state rep, 2 senators = 3 electoral votes

    Texas has ~25 million people per the last census, while wyoming has ~563k

    so texas has roughly 44x more people than wyoming. in an ideal world, TX would therefore have 44x the electoral votes of wyoming for the math to be sound, and for every american's vote to carry the same weight.

    if you just go by the representatives, you are close, but not quite there (36 to 1). when you factor in the senators, the small states disproportionately benefit. the 38 electoral votes for TX and 3 for WY amount to just under a 13:1 ratio, even though their populations are 44:1

    small states disproportionately benefit from the senate, and that inequality also contributes to the math of the EC
    We wouldn't have a United States without the senate and EC compromise.

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    We wouldn't have a United States without the senate and EC compromise.
    Yep. Thanks, slavery!

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    The Game is Rigged

    Let’s not beat around the bush. The game is rigged. The fix is in.

    I’m not just talking about the
    neofascistic Donald Trump,
    the Republican Party,
    the Republican-controlled United States Senate and
    the fake-impeachment trial that body just concluded.

    I’m talking about their neoliberal enablers, the Democrats too.

    Certain Depressing Things Explained


    The deeply conservative corporate and imperialist Democratic Party politics and media complex is

    determined to deny the progressive neo-New Deal Democrat Bernie Sanders the presidential nomination.

    The Democratic establishment is determined to stop Sanders at all costs.

    As I’ve been saying for years,

    the corporate Democrats

    prefer to lose to the ever more viciously right-wing Republicans and the demented fascist oligarch Trump

    than to the moderately left wing of their own party.

    This is why the establishment Democrats and their many media allies

    (at the New York Times, the Washington Post, Politico, The Hill, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and elsewhere)

    have issued repeated dire warnings over the supposed “radical Leftism” and “extremism” of the mildly social-democratic Sanders.

    It’s why Democratic Party-affiliated funders and media

    opened the campaign season by touting the
    clownish center-right dementia victim Joe Biden as their “front-runner.”

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/07/the-game-is-rigged/

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    We wouldn't have a United States without the senate and EC compromise.
    you could say the same for every single provision of the cons ution that was later amended. we also wouldn't have a United States if the 13th amendment was up for debate in 1789

    like i said in another thread talking about the EC, it made sense in the context where states dealt with the general election in different ways. in the first presidential election, only 6 states allowed for the people to vote for president. others left it to legislatures. some had a district by district popular vote, some had a statewide popular vote. so the rationale was let each state figure out on their own how to assign electoral votes, and then the EC will tally them up

    now that every state uses a state-wide popular vote, there's no real reason for the EC process anymore, since we have a full national popular vote already taking place on the same day

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    The Game is Rigged

    Let’s not beat around the bush. The game is rigged. The fix is in.

    I’m not just talking about the
    neofascistic Donald Trump,
    the Republican Party,
    the Republican-controlled United States Senate and
    the fake-impeachment trial that body just concluded.

    I’m talking about their neoliberal enablers, the Democrats too.

    Certain Depressing Things Explained


    The deeply conservative corporate and imperialist Democratic Party politics and media complex is

    determined to deny the progressive neo-New Deal Democrat Bernie Sanders the presidential nomination.

    The Democratic establishment is determined to stop Sanders at all costs.

    As I’ve been saying for years,

    the corporate Democrats

    prefer to lose to the ever more viciously right-wing Republicans and the demented fascist oligarch Trump

    than to the moderately left wing of their own party.

    This is why the establishment Democrats and their many media allies

    (at the New York Times, the Washington Post, Politico, The Hill, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and elsewhere)

    have issued repeated dire warnings over the supposed “radical Leftism” and “extremism” of the mildly social-democratic Sanders.

    It’s why Democratic Party-affiliated funders and media

    opened the campaign season by touting the
    clownish center-right dementia victim Joe Biden as their “front-runner.”

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/07/the-game-is-rigged/
    they called him the frontrunner because he was ahead in the initial polls.

    Why would you call anyone else the frontrunner at that time?

    This is the kind of butthurt that will get Dennison reelected.

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    they called him the frontrunner because he was ahead in the initial polls.

    Why would you call anyone else the frontrunner at that time?

    This is the kind of butthurt that will get Dennison reelected.
    no. complaining about stuff at this point isn't getting dennison reelected. there's no reason people shouldn't be able to air grievances (even if they are misguided or you disagree with them)

    its people staying home or voting the other way that would get Dennison reelected

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    no. complaining about stuff at this point isn't getting dennison reelected. there's no reason people shouldn't be able to air grievances (even if they are misguided or you disagree with them)

    its people staying home or voting the other way that would get Dennison reelected
    And this kind of butthurt will lead to just that.

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    True, bum, but, after MSM has done everything to waylay Bernie & he is left standing at the end anyway they'll embrace him. It won't be Clinton, or, Obama, but, it'll be close enough. (They'll) get in there & lay down the law to him.
    that's ignoring the entire reason he gets the money the way he does though

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    you could say the same for every single provision of the cons ution that was later amended. we also wouldn't have a United States if the 13th amendment was up for debate in 1789

    like i said in another thread talking about the EC, it made sense in the context where states dealt with the general election in different ways. in the first presidential election, only 6 states allowed for the people to vote for president. others left it to legislatures. some had a district by district popular vote, some had a statewide popular vote. so the rationale was let each state figure out on their own how to assign electoral votes, and then the EC will tally them up

    now that every state uses a state-wide popular vote, there's no real reason for the EC process anymore, since we have a full national popular vote already taking place on the same day
    I thought we must protect the cons ution.

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    I thought we must protect the cons ution.
    We've changed the Cons ution several times. Maybe you didn't know that.

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    We've changed the Cons ution several times. Maybe you didn't know that.
    So protect it by changing it?

    Well good luck with that lol

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    So protect it by changing it?

    Well good luck with that lol
    You're against all the changes that were made to the Cons ution?

    That explains a lot tbh lol.

    Don't want those women or dark folk voting, do you?

    Or maybe you could recognize that protecting and amending are two different things.

    Nah, you just don't like women or dark folk. Good luck with that lol.

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    they called him the frontrunner because he was ahead in the initial polls.

    Why would you call anyone else the frontrunner at that time?

    This is the kind of butthurt that will get Dennison reelected.


    true, and still is, but that's hardly the point of the article.

    anyway, Paul Street's "butthurt" is fringe, will have no effect on Dem voters.

    iow, America is ed and un able beyond doubt

    if dementia victim Biden runs against dementia victim Trash.

    Biden is still ahead nationally, but if he loses, again badly, in NH, I don't think he and his team can deliver The Comeback Kid.

    Then the DNC will support Buttigieg as establishment corporate/capitalist toy who has NO financial/economic policies that would bother the oligarchy.

    America won't elect a " got", so that means Trash wins 2020.

    The only hope is that the Dems take the Senate,

    or Moscow Mitch will totally destroy the Federal judiciary, including replacing Notorious RBG with another Gorsuch/Kavanaugh oligarchy , SCOTUS s 6-3 for decades,

    while the Repugs continue to destroy the Exec branch agencies with "acting" managers, directors.

    Paul Street is naive to think that the Trash/Repug cult mob of "42%" will wake up or accept defeat.

    The only solution is violent revolution that is way beyond fatass, teevee watching Americans.

    More likely will be continued domestic terrorism from DHS, the police state, and less KKK militia men, with the Christian supremacist evangelical Reconstructionists remaining silent during the mayhem as part of End Times.

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