Pelosi Says House Won’t Consider Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan without Reconciliation Proposal

[CosmicCowboy]

That your party's beloved 2017 TCJA was a fiscal disaster in terms of the effect it had on the deficit.

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

[spurraider21]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

increasing deficit to pay for programs that will help a lot of people is good

increasing deficits to pad the pockets of the wealthy is bad

[CosmicCowboy]

increasing deficit to pay for programs that will help a lot of people is good

increasing deficits to pad the pockets of the wealthy is bad

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?

[spurraider21]

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?

i didnt say the benefits are exclusive to the non-wealthy. but will be more equitable than the TCJA by a country mile

and like Will, i would have wanted tax hikes as part of the BBB to finance it. and while i do believe Trump's targeting SALT was basically out of spite to blue states (there were better ways to deal with deductions), i think lifting the cap was a pretty stupid move right now

[Will Hunting]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

BBB increases the deficit by $400 billion (potentially less if Yellen's modeling is right)

TCJA increases the deficit by $1.9 trillion

Wonder why you're trying to both sides this and pretend they're the same thing.

[Will Hunting]

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?

Plenty will, but the right wing money / lobbying machine has mobilized to try and stop BBB, so it clearly has stuff they don't like.

[Winehole23]

Honest both sides-er CC is still calling BBB a $5T bill

a non-trivial portion of that goes to five military contractors

[Winehole23]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

you say both sides, but you still haven't called out Trump personally at any time.

you just say "both sides" then call Brandon a Bolshevik for deficit spending that's a fraction of Trump's, dollarwise.

[CosmicCowboy]

Honest both sides-er CC is still calling BBB a $5T bill

a non-trivial portion of that goes to five military contractors

The gimmick is the programs they put in place theoretically "end" in few years, which never happens. Its 5 trillion for ten years when they dont end.

[Winehole23]

Rob Wittman voted against the infrastructure bill

[boutons_deux]

Manchin gets his reward from Republicans for fighting against Biden agenda

the Coalition to Protect American Workers,

a Republican group led by Marc Short, former Vice President Mike Pence’s former chief of staff, is

spending in the large six figures on an ad campaign to thank Manchin for fighting against President Joe Biden’s economic agenda.

the Coalition to “Protect” American Workers means the Republican mega-donors, not West Virginians.

And by “fighting” they mean stopping this economic and climate agenda that will help people and maybe save the globe.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/1/2066883/-Manchin-rewarded-by-Republican-group-with-ads-thanking-him-for-betraying-Biden-Democrats

[DMC]

Plenty will, but the right wing money / lobbying machine has mobilized to try and stop BBB, so it clearly has stuff they don't like.

It has Biden legacy and possible boost in approval. They like the WH better, 4 years of favors beats one paycheck.

[Winehole23]

$7.7T defense bill passes.

How will we pay for it?

[RandomGuy]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

"both sides" lazy thinking fail.

smh

[RandomGuy]

The gimmick is the programs they put in place theoretically "end" in few years, which never happens. Its 5 trillion for ten years when they dont end.

Infrastructure maintenance never ends. Not sure if you were aware.

[CosmicCowboy]

Boutons II talking to himself again.

[boutons_deux]

"both sides" lazy thinking fail.

smh

yep, classic false equivalence, leaving out the actual reasons why either party increases the debt.

Same with filibuster, RWNJs claiming the Dems love the filibuster when they are the minority, but what exactly from the Repugs have the Dems filibustered? Compared with what Repugs are filibustering?

[Winehole23]

[boutons_deux]

... pocketing $10Ms in PProtectionP, they still fired 100Ks. fraud

[DMC]

DMC - "both sides"

Forum left - no

Forum left now "both sides"

[Winehole23]

Child Tax Credit, BBB, voting rights and college loan forbearance are all swirling the drain
...

[CosmicCowboy]

Child Tax Credit, BBB, voting rights and college loan forbearance are all swirling the drain
...

Yep. Manchin taking a big greasy on you.

[benefactor]

Politicians lie?

Shocker.

[Winehole23]

Politicians lie?

Shocker.

Hardly, but barely a peep from Brandon backers here that the Brandon agenda is mostly DOA.

[baseline bum]

Hardly, but barely a peep from Brandon backers here that the Brandon agenda is mostly DOA.

Knew it would happen when they couldn't get the senate to at least 51.