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    Decapitated. Whole big thing. We had a funeral for a bird.

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    F Primo. F Brian Wright too. There is no silver lining in any or this.

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    Guys, well some of you. Instead of delighting yourself in the demise of SA Spurs have you read RC Buford statement ?

    For all who believe in the good guys that's great news.

    - Spurs "disagree with the accuracy, details and timeline" ... Well to make such a statement Buford has to feel on solid ground.

    - Spurs don't pay Buzzbee : they will allow the legal process to play out. That's a proof of the Spurs culture : we don't kneel. We stand our ground.

    - "We will continue to live by our values and culture" : Strong affirmation of Spurs way of being.

    Of course this doesn't play well for the fake Spurs fans who wish the FO .

    This short statement doesn't appear to come from a weak, hurt, damaged organization but from one who will fight according to its strong values.

    We'll see. It's just the beginning.
    This

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    timvp what is your take on Spurs picking up Primos option just a few weeks before release?

    Pop really didn’t know and Wright kept it under wraps and didnt say anything? Primo didnt have anything else come to light after initial report and only after (just bad luck?) another incident reported and Spurs had to let him go?
    Not to dodge your question but I heard this today and I don't know why I didn't previously put two-and-two together. The Spurs had until Oct. 31 to pick up Primo's team option. For some reason, they picked up his option on Oct. 10. They ended up waiving him on Oct. 28. Wright should have at the very least waited until the Oct. 31 deadline if there's an open investigation, right?

    I don't think that's proof that Wright is guilty but it sounds like he's not the best planner or strategizer of all-time, tbh. Then again, with all the dead money on the cap currently and over the last few years, that's become pretty obvious.

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    … what is your take on Spurs picking up Primos option just a few weeks before release? …

    Pop didn’t know about Primo’s misbehavior at that time, is my conclusion. If I can toss my 2 cents in.

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    The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.

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    Pop didn’t know about Primo’s misbehavior at that time, is my conclusion. If I can toss my 2 cents in.
    Ya - but Wright did…so he just didnt say anything? And then not only SA had to let Primo go but had to pay him now when it should have been known?

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    The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.
    Hopefully its cuz RC is trynna get his ducks in a row before firing him. Gotta make sure they have enough so he can't hit em back with a wrongful termination suit himself.

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    The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.
    I think it's pretty clear behind the scenes that:

    A) If Wright actively tried to bury Primo's activities, he likely would have gotten fired when Primo was waived.

    B) If Wright has do ented proof that he reported Primo's activities to the appropriate people in the franchise, his job is safe.

    I don't think there's much grey area in between.

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    Pop really didn’t know and Wright kept it under wraps and didnt say anything?
    It's my experience that executives and other high ranking individuals in high profile organizations are purposely not told HR-related issues. The reason being that if there is a lawsuit that comes from an HR issue, you want to contain the lawsuit to the HR department as much as possible instead of such a lawsuit bringing down the entire organization.

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    It's my experience that executives and other high ranking individuals in high profile organizations are purposely not told HR-related issues. The reason being that if there is a lawsuit that comes from an HR issue, you want to contain the lawsuit to the HR department as much as possible instead of such a lawsuit bringing down the entire organization.
    For sure - that makes total sense. But Wright knew and didnt say “hey, ummm, lets not rush this player option. No need to and its best to wait until deadline”?

    Doesn’t that alone make you question his abilities on top of reaching so hard for Primo and it blowing up?

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    right now this case is a he say she say case. She will need more witnesses to even prove this, otherwise it's just statement against statement

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    For sure - that makes total sense. But Wright knew and didnt say “hey, ummm, lets not rush this player option. No need to and its best to wait until deadline”?

    Doesn’t that alone make you question his abilities on top of reaching so hard for Primo and it blowing up?
    Yeah I didn't like the selection of Primo and picking up that team option early was dumb given the cir stances (maybe it was because they picked up Devin's on the same day and decided to cut down on the paperwork and pick up Primo's that day too -- but that's a bad excuse).

    But, tbh, I haven't see anything to make me jump on the "Fire Wright" bandwagon. It's not pretty but I don't so anything damning enough that he needs to go right this second.

    RC saying there are issues with Buzbee's timeline is basically RC defending Wright because that timeline is what could potentially get Wright in trouble, IMO.

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    Yeah I didn't like the selection of Primo and picking up that team option early was dumb given the cir stances (maybe it was because they picked up Devin's on the same day and decided to cut down on the paperwork and pick up Primo's that day too -- but that's a bad excuse).

    But, tbh, I haven't see anything to make me jump on the "Fire Wright" bandwagon. It's not pretty but I don't so anything damning enough that he needs to go right this second.

    RC saying there are issues with Buzbee's timeline is basically RC defending Wright because that timeline is what could potentially get Wright in trouble, IMO.
    I was critical of Wright early and his previous team track records are less than stellar, but hes impressed me lately with this last off season. He made trades and helped pick a solid direction.

    But, even if not fireable, how are PATFO cool with paying Primo 8M and not only burning the pick but burning it in this fashion lol?

    So even if there is not enough to fire him from an ethical perspective - everyone has to be looking at him like bruh? You could not have saved us the 8M on top of the headache you knew we were going to deal with??

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    I was critical of Wright early and his previous team track records are less than stellar, but hes impressed me lately with this last off season. He made trades and helped pick a solid direction.

    But, even if not fireable, how are PATFO cool with paying Primo 8M and not only burning the pick but burning it in this fashion lol?

    So even if there is not enough to fire him from an ethical perspective - everyone has to be looking at him like bruh? You could not have saved us the 8M on top of the headache you knew we were going to deal with??
    The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

    Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle

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    If your lawyer says stay quiet, it doesn’t matter what some yahoo says on a message board. You don’t, nor should care other than what a legal rep says.

    You're saying that their lawyer told them to be quiet about sexual abuse, and they went along with it. What would Pop say if he found out that some other team had used that excuse? He would call them out as sexist pigs, and condemn all the fans who tried to defend it. He would demand that the owner and GM, at the very least, be kicked out of the league. You know it. Everyone here knows it.

    Just remember that they wouldn't let her travel with the team, and told her that they didn't think she could act professionally (paraphrased). She reported the indecent exposure. The team ignored her. She turned up the volume, and they decided that she was being hysterical - from the Greek root "hystera", meaning uterus.

    They will trump up (pun intended) some other excuse for why they got rid of her, and virtue-signalling Pop will have plausible deniability. They picked up his option LONG after they were told about this issue, but that money lets them say that he didn't get sent away penniless, and they don't look so bad.

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    they probably met here publicly


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    The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

    Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle
    Sorry - should have clarified; its not about the money per se its more about looking at him in the meetings and marveling at how every step of the way he didnt help lol

    Ya, the money itself not an issue and not prohibitive but when thinking about the thought processs, the headache his pick has caused and how he could not even think about this detail enough to at least salvage anything? I dont know…It would be hard for me to not think this person lacks any common sense.

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    3% of the cap not being a big deal is fine and all but little things like that will show up in other dealings, responsibilities, and separate ty to average, good and great, etc.

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    The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

    Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle
    And Spurs have written off much more than that. Wouldn't mind them writing off $4.5 million in lost cap space to myself either.

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    The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

    Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle
    yeah right, not an issue but the franchise been had at least one dead contract on the cap consistently for 5 years straight. At some point you need to wonder why they up everytime

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    Not to dodge your question but I heard this today and I don't know why I didn't previously put two-and-two together. The Spurs had until Oct. 31 to pick up Primo's team option. For some reason, they picked up his option on Oct. 10. They ended up waiving him on Oct. 28. Wright should have at the very least waited until the Oct. 31 deadline if there's an open investigation, right?

    I don't think that's proof that Wright is guilty but it sounds like he's not the best planner or strategizer of all-time, tbh. Then again, with all the dead money on the cap currently and over the last few years, that's become pretty obvious.
    Alternatively, the really bad stuff or the thing that forced their hand happened after 10/10.

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    Regardless of how much or how little of the cap is used up, Wright took 8 million dollars and literally set it on fire while not keeping the organization he stewards out of a very messy and public lawsuit. How do you not question someone’s competence after all that?

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    Regardless of how much or how little of the cap is used up, Wright took 8 million dollars and literally set it on fire while not keeping the organization he stewards out of a very messy and public lawsuit. How do you not question someone’s competence after all that?
    That has not been established by any means as of the date of this post.

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    And Spurs have written off much more than that. Wouldn't mind them writing off $4.5 million in lost cap space to myself either.
    The Spurs have a long history of dead money for some reason. Going all the way back to Pop's infamous Charles Smith trade, IIRC, they had to eat something like $15 million in dead cap space over a couple years back when the salary cap was like $25 million. The hilarious stat I remember is the Spurs paid Charles Smith more money during the 1999 championship run than they paid Tim Duncan -- and Smith hadn't played basketball since 1997

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