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    How do you want me to have any respect for you with post like this?
    Why do you think this is something I want, or even GAF about?

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    I simply just don't see a future for Sochan unless he develops a respectable 3 point shot. Winning in the modern NBA requires spacing and 5 out MINIMUM 4 out offense (4 out only works when the 1 is the center)

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    Karen you forgot ur meds again...

    It must be a nightmare to live around u everyday tbh
    Got called out about your bs and changing the subject again.

    Saying stuff that adds no value and doing things that you define as Karen traits, then calling the other person a Karen. Typical Pauletta move.

    consistently thinking calling another person a female to be an insult. What age do you live in? To top it off you handle is Pauletta . Can’t make this stuff up.

    And again an amazing display of Jeremy and Vic offensive connection today!!
    What game did you watch?

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    No question...

    Too many sensitive ppl here to accept any nuance, my point was and is still that they don't complement each others on offense.

    However Wemby is as much Sochan's kryptonite, we can see it anytime Wemby is on the bench, Jeremy's game becomes more fluid and a lot easier/simple for him. Wemby complicates it and forces him to play on aspects he's not the best at.

    It's actually the case for almost every players, Cp3 included who has more difficulties with Vic than Jeremy
    So the nuance is that wemby can’t play with anyone. .

    You have shown a level of stupidity that I thought couldn’t be topped, but then you outdid yourself. Bravo!

    Went on for days about how sochan get in Wembys way, didn’t mention anyone else. Kept defending that point over and over again, got called out, kept changing the subject and brought no counter arguments.

    Sochan got hurt, wemby does the same playground Jack threes from outside bull without sochan, and now it is almost every player, including CP3 who has been excellent with wemby so far in this going season, and one of the greatest PGs who works well with anyone.

    Ultimately, the only conclusion that could be drawn is wemby cannot play with anyone. Which is just absolute bull .

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    OP is right. Wemby would likely avg more blocks without Sochan, it is underrated how much he stops dribble penetration even off ball.

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    damn this aged REALLY bad

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    How did you so rapidly become one of the worst posters on this site?

    Delete your account.
    I think it’s a certain returning poster who’s handle also ended in a multiple of 7.

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    Wemby being -21 is certainly Sochan's fault, especially when the Spurs were up by 10 points when he left the game.

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    I think it’s a certain returning poster who’s handle also ended in a multiple of 7.
    Yeah, kept saying he’s from France but he somehow can keep watching spurs game live even though it’s like 3 am Paris time.

    I call bull .

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    Yeah, kept saying he’s from France but he somehow can keep watching spurs game live even though it’s like 3 am Paris time.

    I call bull .
    Do you think people in Europe don't watch the NBA?

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    Aged like milk since Sochan is even hitting his 3's now. We need this dude in because he's the only one who consistently punishes his mismatches (that Wemby creates)

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    Well you got your wish last night

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    Do you think people in Europe don't watch the NBA?
    Not every single game 3 in the morning.

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    Why do you think this is something I want, or even GAF about?
    That was rethorical idiot

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    Who am I supposed to be now?
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    Well you got your wish last night
    What do you mean? (genuine question in case...)

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    I love Giannis but he cannot shoot a 3 so how would that work with Wemby? Wemby would have to play on the perimeter where he doesn't shoot well either? And 7 first picks??? Waow.
    same way it works with Sochan

    the question to me isnt how it works with wemby. its a longer term question of how castle fits in. but i dont think the decision to acquire giannis or not should depend on stephon castle

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    Right, you need Victor to become a more effective (efficient) 'hub' offense with three good - elite shooters. While, Sochan would occupy much of what Aaron Gordon does in Denver. He's not as big or as athletically gifted as Gordon, but he's shown this year (so far) that he is suited to that role.

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    No question...

    Too many sensitive ppl here to accept any nuance, my point was and is still that they don't complement each others on offense.

    However Wemby is as much Sochan's kryptonite, we can see it anytime Wemby is on the bench, Jeremy's game becomes more fluid and a lot easier/simple for him. Wemby complicates it and forces him to play on aspects he's not the best at.

    It's actually the case for almost every players, Cp3 included who has more difficulties with Vic than Jeremy
    I think Vic is the common denominator here though, not Sochan. Vic is something different. There's going to be growing pains as he learns what type of player he wants to be or can be.

    Sochan has been one tough sob going through all the changes he's been asked to do. He said himself he hated the PG thing, which contrary to popular opinion I think was great for his development. Slowed the game way down for him even if it was painful. He still did it though.

    Sochan is a 3 pt shot away from being a great compliment to Wemby. His shooting continues to improve. He's another guy who never shot much growing up. People like to say shots don't develop after a certain time and it's thr most ridiculous crap ever. You become a shooter by shooting. Every good shooter was a bad shooter at some point.

    Sochan is still just 21. He has as much chance as developing into a star as anyone outside the the top 5 from this years draft. If he was a rookie doing what he's doing now( he's younger than a few rookies), people would be going crazy for him.

    All these players are still kids. They have plenty of time to develop. I'm in favor of sochan personally. Doesn't mean I'm glued to him, I'd take Lauri over him in a heartbeat. But still excited for his future tbh.

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    I think Vic is the common denominator here though, not Sochan. Vic is something different. There's going to be growing pains as he learns what type of player he wants to be or can be.

    Sochan has been one tough sob going through all the changes he's been asked to do. He said himself he hated the PG thing, which contrary to popular opinion I think was great for his development. Slowed the game way down for him even if it was painful. He still did it though.

    Sochan is a 3 pt shot away from being a great compliment to Wemby. His shooting continues to improve. He's another guy who never shot much growing up. People like to say shots don't develop after a certain time and it's thr most ridiculous crap ever. You become a shooter by shooting. Every good shooter was a bad shooter at some point.

    Sochan is still just 21. He has as much chance as developing into a star as anyone outside the the top 5 from this years draft. If he was a rookie doing what he's doing now( he's younger than a few rookies), people would be going crazy for him.

    All these players are still kids. They have plenty of time to develop. I'm in favor of sochan personally. Doesn't mean I'm glued to him, I'd take Lauri over him in a heartbeat. But still excited for his future tbh.
    Of course it starts with Wemby...
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    Let me clear up something that makes me laugh tbh but seems to upset a lot of people (I know it's childish but they deserve it ^^), I like Sochan and I'm too old to be a fanboy, the only player I've been a fanboy and emotional about in my life was MJ, but I was 10 to 16yo

    Anything I say/write is never ever an attack on the kid, I wish everybody the best, it's irrelevant to me. Those are professional athletes paid more in a year than their parents in their lifetime. Perspective matters.

    Wemby being the center of the project, of course by default, even if he's in the wrong, he's the one that matters and calls have to be made in his best interest. Is it fair? No. But it's how the business works and he's the one that'll be the most accountable to the medias and fans in the end so he deserves some privileges if we're honest.

    Regarding Sochan, my positive posts seem to go unnoticed, I've been 99% complimentary since the start of the season. Like Wemby he's a very unorthodox player that needs a lot of work and patience. Timming sucks for him as much as for Wemby, both could've used a better roster to help them start their career than being surrounded by guys who have as much to learn.

    That being said, I can't say anything else but what I see... Wemby and Sochan struggle on offense, we've seen it yesterday again with 2 straight sctions before Wemby was bench in the 1st (maybe what lead to the earlier than usual benching?) it's not a matter of who's right or wrong (obviously Wemby has a lot more responsabilities bc nobody, teammates included I'm sure, understand his offensive game and where he's supposed to be).

    When Vic was on the bench against Utah I think, Sochan and Cp3 had an amazing P&R connection that we're all waiting to see from Wemby. They're just not the right compatible profiles to me. Even if they love each other

    I don't pretend to have the solution, I just point out what I see. Then we can disagree and discuss without going at each other's throat

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    Funny that people complain about Sochan not spreading the floor while Vic shoots 22% on over 7 attempts per game from 3

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    Of course it starts with Wemby...
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    Let me clear up something that makes me laugh tbh but seems to upset a lot of people (I know it's childish but they deserve it ^^), I like Sochan and I'm too old to be a fanboy, the only player I've been a fanboy and emotional about in my life was MJ, but I was 10 to 16yo

    Anything I say/write is never ever an attack on the kid, I wish everybody the best, it's irrelevant to me. Those are professional athletes paid more in a year than their parents in their lifetime. Perspective matters.

    Wemby being the center of the project, of course by default, even if he's in the wrong, he's the one that matters and calls have to be made in his best interest. Is it fair? No. But it's how the business works and he's the one that'll be the most accountable to the medias and fans in the end so he deserves some privileges if we're honest.

    Regarding Sochan, my positive posts seem to go unnoticed, I've been 99% complimentary since the start of the season. Like Wemby he's a very unorthodox player that needs a lot of work and patience. Timming sucks for him as much as for Wemby, both could've used a better roster to help them start their career than being surrounded by guys who have as much to learn.

    That being said, I can't say anything else but what I see... Wemby and Sochan struggle on offense, we've seen it yesterday again with 2 straight sctions before Wemby was bench in the 1st (maybe what lead to the earlier than usual benching?) it's not a matter of who's right or wrong (obviously Wemby has a lot more responsabilities bc nobody, teammates included I'm sure, understand his offensive game and where he's supposed to be).

    When Vic was on the bench against Utah I think, Sochan and Cp3 had an amazing P&R connection that we're all waiting to see from Wemby. They're just not the right compatible profiles to me. Even if they love each other

    I don't pretend to have the solution, I just point out what I see. Then we can disagree and discuss without going at each other's throat
    Oh Sochan definitely has plenty to work on. It's not all on Vic, but he is super inconsistent. He plays every game like he's bipolar and then team has to change their whole approach based on what Wemby shows up that day. That's definitely not easy.

    But like I said they're all young and I think trending the right way. I think the spurs as a whole look a ton better if Wemby is shooting decent. He's had a horrible shooting season so far but he's getting the looks he wants. Once those start falling, I think the team makes more sense in it's approach. The team is being built for wemby to be a perimeter player. It's what he wants. If he shoots NBA average, the Spurs record looks a lot different. Their defense has been great. Just figuring out that offense now.

    Next year's draft picks will likely change it up even more. As long as the defense keeps trending the right way, I'm cool with the bumps and bruises on offense during the growing seasons.

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    Could you imagine what you could get trading Wemby?

    No...no...no. I don't mean I want to Trade Wemby. Not at all. But, could you imagine how many great players teams would give up for him? We could probably get a full top tier playoff roster for him. Not that I would do that...nope. No way. But, wow...

    Tho, this dumbass F/O would probably try and get a bunch of 2030 draft picks for him.

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    Sochan isn't a center tho and even if Pop sees Wemby as (in part imo) a perimeter player, he also is the center. You csn't use traditional cops with someone so unique. If Sochan could shoot they could alternate inside/out but Sochan can't meaning Wemby will get either stuck outside or always in traffic inside.

    Right now Sochan is mostly the one benefiting from their association bc of how Wemby attracts defenses and his passing abilities. It's more a cost than a gain the other way around.

    I'm not exhonerating Wemby from his poor play/decisions, there are plenty of stuff he needs to works on, but he's the Franchise and a special player that deserves to have a roster adapted to him, not becoming a role player to help compensate his teammates limitations as we see way too often.

    It's on Pop mainly, but it's also a matter of associations/complementarities and Wemby never shines more than surrounded by shooters with spacing.

    Lastly I used the word Kryptonite bc it was used in the podcast and as reference, not an endorcement of Wemby as superman. No need to remind us in each of your posts what we all know and say all the time, Wemby has a long road to go and isn't perfect.
    U are the smartest dude in here... Everything you said is a hundred percent correct

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    Oh Sochan definitely has plenty to work on. It's not all on Vic, but he is super inconsistent. He plays every game like he's bipolar and then team has to change their whole approach based on what Wemby shows up that day. That's definitely not easy.

    But like I said they're all young and I think trending the right way. I think the spurs as a whole look a ton better if Wemby is shooting decent. He's had a horrible shooting season so far but he's getting the looks he wants. Once those start falling, I think the team makes more sense in it's approach. The team is being built for wemby to be a perimeter player. It's what he wants. If he shoots NBA average, the Spurs record looks a lot different. Their defense has been great. Just figuring out that offense now.

    Next year's draft picks will likely change it up even more. As long as the defense keeps trending the right way, I'm cool with the bumps and bruises on offense during the growing seasons.
    Ok is as young as the Spurs, yet their coaches don't have them playing like idiots... Sochan will never be a good shooter, and the longer we keep him next to bic in hopes that he does, the longer Vic will be inconsistent and shooting a ton of threes because he can't get enough space to do anything else

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