2025 NBA Draft

[R. DeMurre]

Are you able to post his list?

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

[LeBowen]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Lmao Luka 10th.
Anyone who saw him play in Euroleague would easily put him at #2.

[Eaglenole2002]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

He immediately backtracked that because he misspoke. He’s not charging teams. It’s more like he’s charging for media appearances..

[Mr. Body]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Scoot is just dumb. Anyone with a brain could see he was overrated.

Dylan stats out better than Cade, for what it's worth. Ben Simmons at LSU was already saying he didn't like playing basketball. Deandre Ayton, just no.

[R. DeMurre]

Scoot is just dumb. Anyone with a brain could see he was overrated.

Dylan stats out better than Cade, for what it's worth. Ben Simmons at LSU was already saying he didn't like playing basketball. Deandre Ayton, just no.

Yeah, for me Scoot's impact stats not improving at all between years 1 and 2 in the G league were a huge red flag. If you're not getting acclimated and improving by leaps and bounds from age 17 to 18 or 18 to 19, that's a big issue.

[Mnky]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

His agent was asking for money to do interviews last year wasn't he?
Hear a lot of bad stories from that group. Feel like the agent is trying to make a name for himself over everything.

[LeBowen]

Yeah, for me Scoot's impact stats not improving at all between years 1 and 2 in the G league were a huge red flag. If you're not getting acclimated and improving by leaps and bounds from age 17 to 18 or 18 to 19, that's a big issue.

I never understood why did most reports rate Scoot as an S tier athlete, often comparing him to Westbrook. That's what gave him the most hype.
He obviously didn't have elite scoring or playmaking potential, but the projections about his athleticism were straight up wrong.
Made a lot of people think he's the next Westbrook. Worst of all, he doesn't even have the size, he's like 6'1.

[Spurs9]

His agent was asking for money to do interviews last year wasn't he?
Hear a lot of bad stories from that group. Feel like the agent is trying to make a name for himself over everything.

I bet if you dig enough the agent probably shills Solana rug coins too.

[spurraider21]

[Mr. Body]

Nico's gonna shock the world with this one.

[scottspurs]

Taelon Peter worked out for the Spurs today. Guard from Liberty

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[R. DeMurre]

I never understood why did most reports rate Scoot as an S tier athlete, often comparing him to Westbrook. That's what gave him the most hype.
He obviously didn't have elite scoring or playmaking potential, but the projections about his athleticism were straight up wrong.
Made a lot of people think he's the next Westbrook. Worst of all, he doesn't even have the size, he's like 6'1.

Anecdotal evidence, gets the casuals all the time. They saw him score a few times against Wemby in an exhibition game and decided he was the next big thing, and no larger sample sizes or nerdy negative win share stats were gonna stop them!

[CorrectCrusader]

Anecdotal evidence, gets the casuals all the time. They saw him score a few times against Wemby in an exhibition game and decided he was the next big thing, and no larger sample sizes or nerdy negative win share stats were gonna stop them!

It's more like the G league is possibly the WORST place to evaluate talent.

[exstatic]

Someone laughed at me when I said I wouldn’t draft Bailey at 14.

[Guru of Nothing]

Do players ever try to work language into their rookie contracts that forbid G league assignment? Just trying to imagine how a G League assignemnt for Bailey might play out.

[scott]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Thanks! This roughly matches up with my impression of Dylan's relative ranking (I'd have him ahead of Scoot, but I'd had Paolo ahead of him). Have heard lots of chatter that he's the 3rd best prospect since 2020, but I don't agree with that. I'd have Cade, Chet and Paolo ahead of him.

I think I'd have Flagg behind Zion here personally. Sam was definitely too high on Scoot, but kind of just goes to show there are no "sure things". I don't think Sam's evaluation of Simmons, Fultz or Ayton were outliers by any means (obviously, since all three guys went #1 in their respective drafts). Probably a sign that while we should all be excited about Dylan, we should maybe pump the breaks on "his floor is a multiple time all star" kind of talk.

[The Truth #6]

I like Vecenie's podcast and his analysis, but then I see this top 20 list and wonder about his insight. Suggs at 15, five spots above Paolo? Regardless, good to see Harper somewhere on there, I suppose.

[Ice009]

Ace Bailey has "bust" written all over him. Poor shot selection, poor ball-handler, poor finisher at the rim (42%), poor pull-up jump shooter from both the midrange (36%) and from 3 (24%), Negative Assist-to-turnover Ratio, low Rim Pressure Rate, average FT shooter, etc.

He was hailed as some elite athlete, and he measured in at a disappointing 6'7.5 barefoot at the combine after being labeled as 6'10 and had an even lower vertical than Kon Knueppel. Add in his seemingly terrible at ude and absurd ego and he has all the makings of a guy who will eventually be selling CD's out of the back of his car with Uncle Dennis tbh.

I am pretty sure Brooklyn will take him at number 8. Maybe Ace (with the Rutgers connection) also wants to go there if he's tanking his value on purpose (Brooklyn could have made him a promise, and also there is a clear path for him there to take lots of shots).

[RC_Drunkford]

Ace Bailey probably won't even stay in the league for his entire 4-year rookie contract tbh

Thanks! This roughly matches up with my impression of Dylan's relative ranking (I'd have him ahead of Scoot, but I'd had Paolo ahead of him). Have heard lots of chatter that he's the 3rd best prospect since 2020, but I don't agree with that. I'd have Cade, Chet and Paolo ahead of him.

I think I'd have Flagg behind Zion here personally. Sam was definitely too high on Scoot, but kind of just goes to show there are no "sure things". I don't think Sam's evaluation of Simmons, Fultz or Ayton were outliers by any means (obviously, since all three guys went #1 in their respective drafts). Probably a sign that while we should all be excited about Dylan, we should maybe pump the breaks on "his floor is a multiple time all star" kind of talk.

I can't wait for the meltdowns when he airballs midrange shots. Happened a bunch of times in college, but of course nobody watched those tapes.

[ace3g]

[Vienna]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

Spurs work out Fears?
in what scenario could he become an option? I have a had time to imagine this. If he fell to 14? (0.1% chance this happens). and they would‘t trade up to get him, if they already got Harper. they trade #2 and end up with a pick in the 5-8 range? but if so, why don‘t they work out other player in that range, like Tre, Kon, Jakucionis?

[Dejounte]

I called it with the character issues way earlier in this thread tbh

[CGD]

Why do I feel this guy will be the pick at 14?

[LeBowen]

Why do I feel this guy will be the pick at 14?

Suns need a C.