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When he was at Creighton, he was more of a low block player. But he still had to be respected out to 15 feet or so.
It's not hard to imagine that he has extended that range a bit since becoming a professional.
Hustle 4 who can shoot the 3, rebound, and block shots? Not a bad prospect.
When he was at Creighton, he was more of a low block player. But he still had to be respected out to 15 feet or so.
It's not hard to imagine that he has extended that range a bit since becoming a professional.
At first I thought his marksmanship from 3 pt. land was some sort of anomaly, but considering he shot .615 (8-13) from beyond the arc in three games in Vegas and 53.3% over four games at the RMR I guess he's figured something out.
If he can shoot at least 40% from behind the arc as a Spur I'll be thrilled.
Decent signing, but I'm incredulous about his three point shooting ability on a consistent basis...
My thoughts exactly.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...lliver&page=17Link to where I said the Spurs would never sign Tolliver?
i should have taken it...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...lliver&page=19
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Based upon the market established by Scola and Beno (both infinitely better than Bonner), how many draft picks will the Spurs have to trade away to be rid of Big Red?
YES we signed Tolliver Twist....
I am very pleased.
I said Mahinmi has a better shot to make it in the long run than Tolliver.
I'm kind of doubting that. A team normally signs players in July that it intends to keep. Players normally only sign in July if there is some guaranteed money. Both of those normal courses of events argue against your pessimism.
One more tidbit, Tolliver is smart as nails:
"But he's not alone, and Altman is quick to cite Anthony Tolliver as a key to this team overcoming all it has faced. The senior big man came to Omaha planning to be a doctor, but then he decided finance was better for him. A solid contributor on the court who had 15 points and 13 rebounds in the le game, Tolliver has racked up the academic honors in his career with his 3.53 GPA. This year, they include being a CoSIDA academic All-American, CoSIDA academic all-district and MVC First Team Scholar Athlete. He's also heavily involved in the community and a charismatic young man that seems to naturally bond with everyone he comes across. "
Haven't seen this anywhere else on the thread . . .
But the Spurs signed Rich Melzer even earlier last summer to a two-year deal.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...two_year_deal/
Nice. Anyone have a prediction for the active roster this season? I'd guess Gist and Vaughn would sit, so Bonner could look good for a midseason trade. Not sure how Tolliver would fit. I think it's between Tolliver and Gist for the 15th man spot.
Tony/George
Mason/Ginobili/Finley
Bruce/Ime
Tim/Ian/Matt
Kurt/Fab
And Ian better prove the theory that he was just bored in the summer league, or he'll get mor Toro time. Can anyone compare his stats between the Toros and this summer?
We weren't turning over the roster last season, and they were signed DAYS before camp, not in July.
Does mahinmi have the ability to guard long nba 3's/shifty nba 4's?
Yeah and we'll wait on to freeze over together.I said Mahinmi has a better shot to make it in the long run than Tolliver.
Good signing by the Spurs. Tolliver worked hard and earned his spot. You cant ask for more than that.
I dont think this hurts Gist chances of making the team as they are diffrent type of players and will play diffrent roles on the team.
Myself, I'm not sure about this one. Consider
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ollian01d.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ahinia01d.html
Consider Tolliver and Ian's respective DLeague Seasons. Ian, considered a weak rebounder for a serious NBA prospect posted a rebound rate of 15.7%, Tolliver 13.0%. Ian produced more blocks (2.1 vs. 1.4), steals (1.7 vs. 1.2). While these stats aren't perfectly representative of D, it looks like Ian is a) a better efender, and b) Ian's defence/rebounding is considered weak. What does this make Tolliver?
On the offensive side of the ball, Ian score more (20.4 to 15.3 pts/36), at a higher percentage (.671 vs .577 TS%) and passed the ball more (1.6 vs 1.2 asst/36). The only saving grace is that Tolliver turned it over less than Ian (17.6% Ian vs. 12.2% Tolliver, TOV%).
The only thing I see is that Tolliver's 3 pt shooting has improved drastically, either that or he's on one of a hot streak. Consider the case of James Singleton when he first broke into the league with the Clippers. He shot .500 on 3's and .510 overall in his 1st season. In his second season, he only shot .214 on 3's and .366 overall. He went to Spain for a year, and signed this summer with Dallas...
To be honest, none of Tolliver's stats (3P%, FT%) from College, D-League or even the German league are remote close to his stats in the summer league. Is he on some ridiculous shooting streak or has he finally figured out how to shoot with deadly accuracy?
What favors Tolliver over Mahinmi is that Tolliver knows where to position himself on the court, Mahinmi on the other hand seems lost a lot of times.
haha
someone on your roster is name tolliver! hahaha
manu and tolliver!
tolliver has been playing organized ball longer so it's more intuitive to him. ian is still robot like with everything he does on the b-ball court but he's putting it together slowly but surely.
That was two summers ago. Also, two different scenarios.
I didn't say they couldn't do it. I said it would be a lot of work for Popovich. And your comparison is still one rookie to four rookies. Powe, Rondo, and Perkins all had full seasons to get used to the Celtic system. I sill think all of the moves have been good, and it would have been the best off season in a very long time if Splitter had come too.
And the contract was only guaranteed for $50K, IIRC.
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