The Manu Doesn't Believe in God Thread

[timvp]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

[Deimosfobos]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

Yeah, angel_luv answers were honest, so much respec... tho, is wierd people actually belive that. You can't take what is on writing as 100% truth, even if you are a beliver, since god didn't wrote that, people did. I mean... the bible itself is full of up , as a beliver, I would try to find the real truth by myself.
I mean... come on, how on earth can you belive that a person who is a saint in all regards, can go to just because he is not a beliver? What kind of vain god would allow such stupidity?

I guess that's what happens when you are a religious person, logic goes out the window, since Faith=/=Logic.

[smeagol]

Because?

I thought we covered this.

Manu is agnostic at best because he said he believes in a higher power. He believes in something. Atheirst believe there is nothing out there resembling a higher power.

With what he said (which is not much) it is easier to assume he is an agnostic. Unless he outright comes and says "I'm like BB!"

[smeagol]

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ.

This could make this thread go another 20 pages but . . .

Your place in Heaven is not assured.

[smeagol]

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... .

These "disturbing" things which Angel believes in are believed by any Christian, no matter his denomination (Catholic, Protestan, Greek Orthodox, etc).

Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead

This comment makes no sense at all to a Christian.

[smeagol]

I beleive in God and Jesus but I really don't beleive God punishes good people to eternal fire.

I guess you are not a Christian then (and don't feel offended by my comment). You cannot take the parts of the Nerw Testament you like and dismiss the ones you don't like.

and it's crazy to beleive and follow the bible 100%

. . . in a literal way, yes.

[smeagol]

To be fair... how can a religious person mock a non-beliver? Is like a trekie trying to mock a normal person... it's hillarous at best.

This is your opinion and I respect it, although I do not agree with you.

Of course, I'm not a beliver, and living in Argentina (huge Catholic population), and rased in a religious family, I know what it feals to be questioned on a regular basis because of my lack of faith... tho, every time I just smiled back, it feals like a puppy playing with your sock.

I was a non-believer for a long time and I never felt this way.

Regarding the topic, Manu responded perfectly, I would do the same no matter the circunstance. Simple question, simple answer.

Ahh . . . here we agree 100%.

[Deimosfobos]

I was a non-believer for a long time and I never felt this way.

I became an Atheirst at 13 (30atm), and I had been questioned ever since. I guess it depends on where and who do you live with.
But like I said, I never really cared about that, since a beliver is powerless agaist a logical person.

[remingtonbo2001]

This could make this thread go another 20 pages but . . .

Your place in Heaven is not assured.

John 14


"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me. There are many rooms in my Father's house. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you? And if I am going away to prepare a place for you, I will come back again and welcome you into my presence, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going, and you know the way."

Thomas asked him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him and have seen him.”

I assumed this passage would clear up any confusion brought by my comment. I believe in the above passage and hold it as the truth, as I do with the bible in it's entirity.

Jesus said to him "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

As Veronica mentioned earlier.

us 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Therefore, it is not through my actions, but through my faith and confession in Jesus Christ that I am saved.

[ElNono]

I thought we covered this.

Manu is agnostic at best because he said he believes in a higher power. He believes in something. Atheirst believe there is nothing out there resembling a higher power.

With what he said (which is not much) it is easier to assume he is an agnostic. Unless he outright comes and says "I'm like BB!"

I thought agnostic meant that you did not believe in god, but if you were to find evidence of his existence, then you would believe. I don't think agnostic applies to every conception of 'higher power', just to god.
I mean, I don't think 'higher power' and 'god' are necessarily the same thing. IE: somebody that believes in Mother Nature as a force of what happens out there, doesn't necessarily believes in god, and I don't think you can call him agnostic.
And to complete the idea, I think that saying 'No soy creyente' is pretty unambiguous as far as what he believes...

[Marhq]

I thought agnostic meant that you did not believe in god, but if you were to find evidence of his existence, then you would believe.

No. If you ask an agnostic about the existance of some god or gods, they will say "I don't know" or, especially, "That can't be known". Agnostic is someone who takes neither side, someone who has serious doubts one way or the other, but this doesn't say anything about whether he bases his beliefs upon faith or evidence or tradition or whatever.

The atheists are the ones asking for evidence. It's not that atheists simply enjoy not believing stuff. We don't believe mainly because we don't see any compelling evidence or reasons to do so and we don't think that faith or authority carry any weight in the discussion.

Saludos.

[angel_luv]

I like and respect you here on the forum...

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead.

I really respect and like you as well- very much. I consider you one of my friends on here.

That is why I trust that you will understand that I am confident in what I believe.
I choose for myself and I did not choose lightly.

[JoeChalupa]

I too am confident in my Catholic faith and no amount of bashing or remarks towards my faith can shatter my belief.

Well done.

[angel_luv]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

That is very kind of you, L.J. Thank you.
You are good people and I am sure your faith in God pleases Him.

Thank you too, Deimosfobos and Joe.

[dirk4mvp]

I don't think what Manu said was bad at all. I think we should respect other people's beliefs.
I'm not religious anymore but I respect the religions and the people who believes in them. And I still believe in God.

I also hope this video doesn't insult anyone:

This is by far the greatest youtube I have ever seen.

[smeagol]

I assumed this passage would clear up any confusion brought by my comment. I believe in the above passage and hold it as the truth, as I do with the bible in it's entirity.

Jesus said to him "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

As Veronica mentioned earlier.

us 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Therefore, it is not through my actions, but through my faith and confession in Jesus Christ that I am saved.

You have probably read this passage many times.

James 14 - 17

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. "

Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.

To bridge these so called contradictions and different interpretations, we Catholics believe there is an en y that has been around for 2000 years, the RCC, which we can go for guidance; you Protestants believe that the Holy Spirit helps you interpret the Bible.

Also, for further understanding and interpretation of the Bible, we believe in consulting the people who knew Christ, or the people who knew the people who knew Christ. We do this through these people's writings. Protestants do not adhere to this belief.

[angel_luv]

Thanks for the encouraging words you have posted, Smeagol. You are a blessing.

Now let me encourage you.

Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.

The Word of God may not be well received but it is always worth bringing into the discussion.
Every Bible verse quoted is a seed planted.

Isaiah 55: 11- So shall My word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[smeagol]

Thanks for the encouraging words you have posted, Smeagol. You are a blessing.

Now let me encourage you.

Thanks!

The Word of God may not be well received but it is always worth bringing into the discussion.

I agree. I said what I said in the context of Catholics and Protestants debating over doctrine.

I have done it a number of times here on this forum and it usually boils down to the two points I mentioned in my previous post: who interprets the Bible (any simple mortal or the RCC) and what aids do you have to interpret the Bible.

Peace be with you

[angel_luv]

And you.

[Angel's va jay jay!]

And what about me?

[2centsworth]

You have probably read this passage many times.

James 14 - 17

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. "

Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.

To bridge these so called contradictions and different interpretations, we Catholics believe there is an en y that has been around for 2000 years, the RCC, which we can go for guidance; you Protestants believe that the Holy Spirit helps you interpret the Bible.

Also, for further understanding and interpretation of the Bible, we believe in consulting the people who knew Christ, or the people who knew the people who knew Christ. We do this through these people's writings. Protestants do not adhere to this belief.

True Faith yields good deeds. Most Christians don't understand the biblical definition of "believe", so they think just believing God exist is faith. The devil believes God exist, does he have faith?

[remingtonbo2001]

True Faith yields good deeds. Most Christians don't understand the biblical definition of "believe", so they think just believing God exist is faith. The devil believes God exist, does he have faith?

+1

I have accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. Therefore, I incorporate the teachings of Christ into my life, in thoughts and action. Thus the good fruit in which I bear strengthens not only the faith of others, but my faith as well.

I will admit my understanding of scriptures is limited, so I am always willing to listen and learn from the perspective and knowledge of other Christians.

[2centsworth]

+1

I have accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. Therefore, I have also incorporated his teachings into my life. This in turn strengthens my faith in Christ.

I will admit my understanding of scriptures is limited, so I am always willing to listen and learn from the perspective and knowledge of other Christians.

God Bless!

[remingtonbo2001]

God Bless!

God Bless.

[hater]

great way to kill the Manu God Thread, turn it into a sunday school thread