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Listen junior, focus on your points instead of trying to throw around insults. Saying like this is is a sure fire way to announce to the world your arguements have no weight.
BTW, heres some video for you. Please tell me more about the superior defense of 00. The referees coddle the players these days, whistling everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCCGWiJsn0k
You are making my week with this stuff, please give me more.
Last edited by Lars; 04-14-2009 at 07:38 PM. Reason: redundant wording
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Every year at least twice this poll comes out. Same result every freaking time. Give it a rest already. bah
I just can't understand how superior athletic ability and slightly superior stats, yet somehow they trump winning more championships and accolades. Hakeem was the superior individual talent, but at the end of the day he only got it done when it mattered twice.
You guys act as though Hakeem was some modern-day Wilt Chamberlain, yet Ewing, Robinson and Shaquille all put up stats against him. Yes, I'm a Spurs fan. But, I'm willing to look at their entire (or Hakeem's) body of work and realize Timmy got it done two more times than Hakeem. Timmy put away the most dominant duo in his era (something Hakeem never did), and he did in epic fashion.
Timmy will never be the athlete or superior defender Hakeem was, but he'll always remain the better champion and teammate.
Timmy +1
Oh, and some of the arguments against Duncan have been completely stupid. Yeah, Timmy never went up against HOF compe ion. Oh wait, we forgot about Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitizki. Plus, the all-star calibur guys like Amar'e Stoudmire, Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Chris Bosh, Elton Brand and others.
Last edited by J_Paco; 04-14-2009 at 09:08 PM.
Your post might have been more relevant if the video wasn't 70% from the 80s, and 30% from 1990. Way to use a team of the 80s as an example of 1990s defense.
hey did you guys have a read of the jordan v hakeem comparisons in the realgm forum....a few mention duncan and robinson...yet some clowns think hakeem is in comparison with jordan or top5 goat
You lost me when you started talking about the 94 Knicks.
Silly me, I thought your last post referenced Horry comparing 80s/90s versus now, I must be stupid. Also Hakeem played in the 80s and 90s. You're seriously slipping.Your post might have been more relevant if the video wasn't 70% from the 80s, and 30% from 1990. Way to use a team of the 80s as an example of 1990s defense.
Straight from the horses mouth.I just can't understand how superior athletic ability and slightly superior stats, yet somehow they trump winning more championships and accolades. Hakeem was the superior individual talent, but at the end of the day he only got it done when it mattered twice.
You guys act as though Hakeem was some modern-day Wilt Chamberlain, yet Ewing, Robinson and Shaquille all put up stats against him. Yes, I'm a Spurs fan. But, I'm willing to look at their entire (or Hakeem's) body of work and realize Timmy got it done two more times than Hakeem. Timmy put away the most dominant duo in his era (something Hakeem never did), and he did in epic fashion.
Timmy will never be the athlete or superior defender Hakeem was, but he'll always remain the better champion and teammate.
Timmy +1
Oh, and some of the arguments against Duncan have been completely stupid. Yeah, Timmy never went up against HOF compe ion. Oh wait, we forgot about Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitizki. Plus, the all-star calibur guys like Amar'e Stoudmire, Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Chris Bosh, Elton Brand and others.
We are comparing players, not the accomplishments of teams.
You lost all credibility with me as a basketball fan when you discarded the '94 Knicks. Those Knick teams were tough as ....one of the toughest most physical teams that ever played (Charles Oakley in his prime would make Artest wet himself) and if Ewing played today, he'd most likely be the best center in the league today.....in his day he was the 4th best center.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 04-14-2009 at 10:25 PM.
Duncan. Hakeem only has 2 championships because MJ was out of the league.
you think hakeem would only have 5 rings with this squad?
duncan couldve have 6 rings in a row if it werent for injuries to him or the other players.....
Hakeem, because he atleast won one with Jordan playing......Duncan only won 4 because Jordan was out of the league.
see how that works jackass.
Well then you're right....He probably would have more.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 04-14-2009 at 10:49 PM.
Hakeems first ring team
that team had it all, players made plays when it matter and hitting crucial shots, seriously maxwell + cassell + ellie + kenny smith were clutch from downtown....horry/thorpe/herrera they were no slouch players, they hustled and gave alot of rubbish points on 2nd chances. IMO they peaked/gelled at the right time in the playoffs.
now compared that to the spurs 99 team.
lol jaren jackson doesnt play a lick of defense, but loves to hit them 3s...one game his hot, the next his nowhere to be seen.
avery johnson lol cant hit a shot if his life depended on it, but he made them when it was needed.
mario elie was basically the same player he ever was from teh rockets, didnt lose much touch besides the grey hair.
outside of duncan/robinson/Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_/avery/elie/jackson...team had no fukn bench.
Okay 92 votes and a couple of days into it so far and Duncan still can't pull away from Hakeem on his home court..(which like I said earlier...speaks volumes).....wonder what the voting would've been like on a unbiased board?
This debate is officially over.
because there's as many rocketfans and spur haters, moron.
are you two people in one?
Exactly what are you basing their suck ude on? They were a Hakeem blocked shot away from winning the le. Not to mention they took the Bulls to 6 games in 1993 and 7 games in 1992.
The Knicks were a very good team.
It's interesting how you claim Rockets players were making all these clutch plays, when you have Jackson making big shots, Elie making big shots, Elliott draining a game winner on his tippie toes and Avery Johnson hitting the le winning jumper. I don't see how you can claim the Rockets support was so clutch but the Spurs support weren't. Not to mention, Robinson was light years better than any other Rocket in 94 or 95...outside of Hakeem.
You have a better argument sticking with the 03 team.
Again what I said before.........hope that makes you sleep better at night. LMFAO at these idiots who think it's just "so many rocketfans and spur haters" Wake up, the guy is losing on his own site (sorry, but where the poll result stands right now, he's losing) go back to your make believe land and buy some more pot off of that pussy.. It will definitely make you feel better.
Hakeem in Pop's system (who is right up there with Red and Phil for greatest alltime coach) and surrounded with the same players would absolutely DOMINATE today's league. All world defender, one of the best all around offensive players, and one of the greatest playoff performers.....he'd kill people today.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 04-15-2009 at 01:16 AM.
The 06 Heat actually won a le, but no one would say they were a great team. The 94 Knicks were good defensively, but a trainwreck on the offensive end. Starks was a chucker and Ewing was vastly overrated. They'd prob take the Heat, but I can't see any other championship team of this past decade having too much trouble with them.
Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Hakeem is my all time favorite besides Jordan
My god you have to be downright re ed.....the guy's argument was "THAT KNICKS TEAM WOULD HAVE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP IN THIS ERA" and your argument is "they would beat the Heat"??? You just agreed with him dumbass.
and the Knicks (Ewing) weren't "overrated" they were vastly underrated. Ewing would be the #1 center in the league today....period. The guy's career is looked down upon, because he played in such a tough era with so many quality bigs. Think about it dumbass......he was arguably the 4th best center in his era and he still made it as a first ballot HOFer. Quick, list me how many 4th or even 3rd best centers in the game today that are going to be 1st ballot HOFers.......the entire board is waiting and your credibility is on the line, list them please ???
Oh BTW, that "chucker" chucked his team all the way to the finals and almost past the great bulls teams in other seasons.....he almost "chucked" his way to a le, but Hakeem blocked his shot (one would question if Duncan would have the skill/athleticism to run out there and make that play).
Those 90 Knick teams are extremely underrated and most likely win a couple of rings in this era...you're a fool for sweeping them under the rug. Even without a ring they're still one of the toughest teams that have ever played....they straight beat people up, and just about everybody didn't want to play them because of that. They were the "bad boys part II", they just didn't cash in and the reason why was Hakeem and Jordan....damn the luck they had to play against those two.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 04-15-2009 at 01:38 AM.
You ing stupid piece of , he said the Knicks would be favorites in the 00s, not just favorites in one ing cherry-picked year. You could list practically every team that's ever been to the Finals and say they'd beat the 06 Heat. Ewing wasn't . He shot too many jumpers and was vastly overrated by the New York media. If he played in Denver he'd never get in on the first ballot. Starks was a sub-40% chucker. The fact that NY was one shot from a le is more an indictment of Houston's inability to hold leads in games than it is a tribute to their greatness.
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