clash peter holt vs tony parker

[ChumpDumper]

The stats tell a different story. And they don't lie.

The stats tell that other people played. And you just argued the Spurs' game wasn't all about offense. Nice self-ownage.

Oh, it's absolutely a joke. Because Tim, until he retires(barring some kind of Manu-esque injury), is the MVP on this team. Any knowledgeable Spurs fan will tell you that.

It's absolutely not a joke because any one of three players could have won the award that series. Any knowledgeable spurfan will tell you.

[ChumpDumper]

The idea is, you need to get your teammates involved.

They do get involved, otherwise Parker would average 0 assists instead of 7.

Just because he thinks he can score at a higher rate doesn't mean anything. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.

Overall, the stats say he can -- and as you said, they don't lie.

He's a ING POINT GUARD. His job is to get his teammates involved. Kobe isn't even a point guard and people dog him for this exact same mindset.

His job is to do what the coach tells him to. An NBA coach would be an idiot to not take advantage of his talents. You want the Spurs to not take advantage of Parker's talents. That makes you an idiot.

[Muser]

Asking Tony to not drive the lane is like asking Dwight to not rebound, you just don't do it..

[ChumpDumper]

It was Duncan's award. Care to name the stats from the finals that year? TD vs TP?

It was Tony's award. Care to name the winner of that award from the finals that year? TD or TP?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Parker is not a better fit play-style wise for the current spurs team.

This is the most stupid thing I've ever seen on SpursTalk.

[Leetonidas]

Tony Parker averaged more points in the 2007 Finals than anyone, including Tim Duncan and LeBron James. Therefore he was named the Finals MVP. Not Duncan.

Fact.

[ChumpDumper]

No, the initial argument is that it wouldn't be a disaster to trade Parker for Rondo and another valuable piece. Parker is not a better fit play-style wise for the current spurs team.

You just said that the offense is based on running plays for Parker and now you are trying to argue that Parker doesn't fit in an offense designed for Parker!

If they could get Rondo and Perkins for Parker, that's an absolute must do. Even if it'll be an entirely new team.

It's not an absolute anything. In fact, it's pretty stupid at this point.

[Leetonidas]

ChumpDumper laying the smack-down on Spurstrodumbass.

[ChumpDumper]

Way to completely avoid the inevitable win for Duncan in the stats department.

That's an extreme fail on your part, because in the stats you your pants about the most -- points and FG% -- Parker far outperformed Duncan.

Parker 24.5 ppg .568 fg

Duncan 18.3 ppg .446 fg

As I said, the award could have gone to Parker, Duncan or even Bowen that year. I wouldn't have complained in any case. You would and still are.

[Muser]

That's an extreme fail on your part, because in the stats you your pants about the most -- points and FG% -- Parker far outperformed Duncan.

Parker 24.5 ppg .568 fg

Duncan 18.3 ppg .446 fg

As I said, the award could have gone to Parker, Duncan or even Bowen that year. I wouldn't have complained in any case. You would and still are.

[Leetonidas]

What other stats should he single out? Blocks? Rebounds? Steals? Minutes played?

[ohmwrecker]

Look, they're going to have to change the offense anyway with this new team. And if they don't, it just proves how overrated Popo is.

Dude, you have been thoroughly out gunned and you are obviously a hater, so why don't you just find another team to be miserable with?

We can trade you to the Lakers for that Lakers/Steelers fan dude who likes the Spurs now. for . Fair swap.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dude, you have been thoroughly out gunned and you are obviously a hater, so why don't you just find another team to be miserable with?

We can trade you to the Lakers for that Lakers/Steelers fan dude who likes the Spurs now. for . Fair swap.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, how convenient. You single out ONE stat. Boy, you sure showed me!

Dude, that is more that one stat.

Not only am I convinced you didn't watch the series, I'm now convinced you can't count to two.

[ohmwrecker]

The comment was more about your inability to shut up. You don't like the coach. You don't like the starting point guard. Why are you a Spurs fan?

[ffadicted]

lol @ all the fake spurs fans with no brain wanting to trade parker

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

FG% and points I would include in one stat.

Dude you continue to amaze us. Are you sure you're not a fake greek?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know this may be hard for your pre-pubescent, feeble brain to comprehend, but points directly correlate with FG%.

No .

So 20 points on 10/10 shooting is the same as 20 points on 10/30 shooting? No wonder you like AI.

[portnoy1]

Idiotic.

Career FG%
Iverson - 41%
Parker - 49% (Last 3 years 51%)

Get the out of here. You're an idiot who's never watched the Spurs play.



Not only #1. I think he's third to Jesus and Ghandi in terms of the greatest human beings of all-time.



Ah. You want Calderon for Parker, yes? A better player, yes?

2009 Assists per Game:
Calderon - 8.9
Parker - 6.9

at you. You're trying to trade away a player averaging 7 assists per game for a season while stating he's not a passing PG or that he can't get assists. Even in the Spurs multiple pass offense, Parker got 7 dimes per game this year.

Some players who DID NOT average 6.9 assists per game:

Andre Miller
Chauncey Billups
Ramon Sessions
TJ Ford
Luke Ridnour
Rafer Alston
Mike Bibby
and the list goes on.

By the way, the Spurs have 4 players in the top 100 and two in the top 50 in Assists per game for the NBA last year, and that's without Manu being there due to injury DQ.

Parker destroyed Billups this year in almost every single statistical category. He his FG% was higher by 10. TEN PERCENT. He actually REBOUNDED BETTER than Chauncey. And despite his penetration ability, he shot less FTs than Billups by almost 100. If Parker were given the calls other PGs in the league got, he'd average 28 a game, not just in the playoffs.

So, he scores better than Billups, scores more efficiently, gets more assists, outrebounded him for the season, but Billups is a better PG because "he doesn't dominate the ball". GTFO.

Now that your argument has been shredded, I want to hear your logic with a response. Come on. Bring it, oh-fan-of-the-stats.

Congratulations. You fail.



You continue to be one of the worst posters on Spurstalk. Sweet. It's amazing how wrong you can be about so many things. You're talking about Parker from 5 years ago when he didn't play defense.

6.9 ing assists this year, . GTFO.

Of course he got alot if assist this year. He always had the ball and didnt have to give to Manu cause he was hurt and then duncan was running around on one leg.

And the Calderon argument is this, I wouldn't trade them straight up, Cause Calderon isn't an all star. I want Calderon and Bargnani that way you get a point guard who runs an offense and looks around+you get a 7footer who is young and still has potential.
FYI - I'm not just lookin at assist, I'm looking at how both players get assist. Parker works his but off trying to create for others. Calderon gets his assist by utilizing the talents of the other players.
FYI - Chauncy came in and changed the makeup of that team and brought order to a bunch of guys who dont no anything about winning. made it past the first round since 1994.

[Spursfan092120]

No .

So 20 points on 10/10 shooting is the same as 20 points on 10/30 shooting? No wonder you like AI.

Gotta side with you on this one..not even close.

[Freeze]

55pts AND 10 assists

[ohmwrecker]

George Hill will be better than Rondo.

[portnoy1]

@ Spurstrodamus thinking that Manu and Tim are just spot up jumpshooters.

If you give Duncan and Ginobili the ball right underneath the basket there is nothing else they can do but score, and then Parker gets the assist. However we all know that Parker has blinders on, so Tim Duncan getting layups from Parker is pretty much out the question.

[Freeze]

Minnesota Timberwolves. Regular season.

So what ?
Give me the stats of your beloved PG's against Minessota during regular season.

[ohmwrecker]

Minnesota Timberwolves. Regular season.

You forgot to mention that it was also an overtime game. You are right. Anybody could have had 55/10 in that situation. You, me . . . anybody.