clash peter holt vs tony parker

[portnoy1]

Calderon is a good player, but Bargnani is soft and his contract isn't the best, to say the least. You wouldn't rather have Rondo than Calderon? Rondo has beast potential on D.

Defensively Rondo/Perkins is the better deal hands down. I Just want the spurs to go back to ( 2 big men defending the paint and 1 solid perimeter defender/ 2 big men to post and 3 perimeter players to shoot and drive/dish ) Calderon/Bargnani can hit shots when a big man is double teamed however Rondo cant shoot and perkins really isnt in to taking alot of shots out on the perimeter. Honestly the only big man I've seen who can spread the defense ( shoot/hit 3's )and get rebounds is 1 -Troy Murphy 2 - Sheed.

[portnoy1]

Sheed doesn't rebound as well as one might think, but I agree with you about Sheed. He was a perfect fit for this team.

thats why murphy is no. 1

[ohmwrecker]

I'm sorry, I just can't do this anymore. You guys are saying that Calderon and Rondo are better than Tony Parker? Astounding.

[alamo50]

I suggest you read your own quotes "You have received too much freedom already since you got here." are you for real ? wth are you talking about ?

Joining Eva attending movie premieres and award shows all over the country during the season.

That's what I call freedom.

[Cry Havoc]

I can give you the triple doubles in the playoffs if you'd like...

You mean the playoffs where Parker just averaged 28.6 points, 6.8 assists, and 4.2 rebounds?

FG% and points I would include in one stat.

Ah. I guess this is why you're not analyzing for any major networks. That's so ridiculous that you should actually stop posting. That's like saying a career .220 baseball player is good because he's got 2000 hits over his career.

That's why, when people cite statistics about scoring, they use the % as a gauge of efficiency.

You know. Like Tony Parker just averaged 28.6 points per game in the playoffs while shooting 54.6% from the field.

[portnoy1]

I'm sorry, I just can't do this anymore. You guys are saying that Calderon and Rondo are better than Tony Parker? Astounding.

all im saying is that the spurs need a more consistent system. Parker getting 22pts worth of layups and 7ast worth of 3pt shooting isnt consistent enough for a team that wants to win a championship. What if teams decide to lock in on parker and close down the lane, their goes 22pts and all our 3pt shooting which we live and die by like the 2002 Celtics.

[ChumpDumper]

If you give Duncan and Ginobili the ball right underneath the basket there is nothing else they can do but score, and then Parker gets the assist.

If Parker has the ball right at the basket there is nothing else he can do but score.

[Freeze]

Playoffs Ranks :
TP Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Rondo Ranks #13 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Billups Ranks #15 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
D-Will Ranks #23 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Calderon Ranks #39 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (regular season, did not make the playoffs)
Paul Ranks #41 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (was 2nd in the regular season, but does not count isn't it ?)
Iverson do not ranks in the nba in Efficiency

So I guess on your criteria TP is the 5th best player in the NBA, and the best PG.

[ChumpDumper]

all im saying is that the spurs need a more consistent system. Parker getting 22pts worth of layups and 7ast worth of 3pt shooting isnt consistent enough for a team that wants to win a championship. What if teams decide to lock in on parker and close down the lane, their goes 22pts and all our 3pt shooting which we live and die by like the 2002 Celtics.

That's why Manu and Duncan and Jefferson are on the team.

Damn, you Parker haters never cease to amaze.

[Cry Havoc]

all im saying is that the spurs need a more consistent system. Parker getting 22pts worth of layups and 7ast worth of 3pt shooting isnt consistent enough for a team that wants to win a championship. What if teams decide to lock in on parker and close down the lane, their goes 22pts and all our 3pt shooting which we live and die by like the 2002 Celtics.

28.6 points, 6.8 assists, and 4.2 rebounds on 54.6% shooting.

You are stupid.

[portnoy1]

You mean the playoffs where Parker just averaged 28.6 points, 6.8 assists, and 4.2 rebounds?



Ah. I guess this is why you're not analyzing for any major networks. That's so ridiculous that you should actually stop posting. That's like saying a career .220 baseball player is good because he's got 2000 hits over his career.

That's why, when people cite statistics about scoring, they use the % as a gauge of efficiency.

You know. Like Tony Parker just averaged 28.6 points per game in the playoffs while shooting 54.6% from the field.

Thats nice, but how did he help the other guys get going. Lets think about game 4 vs Mavs. He had 31pts by the half. Thats one of the most awesome displays of individual offense I've ever seen (HONEST). But later on the other guys werent involved and they locked into Parker. We lost by 9 I think, But it was still a pretty convincing loss despite Parkers 43 pts. If Jordan and Kobe can't do it by themselves than Parker has no chance.

[Cry Havoc]

Thats nice, but how did he help the other guys get going. Lets think about game 4 vs Mavs. He had 31pts by the half. Thats one of the most awesome displays of individual offense I've ever seen (HONEST). But later on the other guys werent involved and they locked into Parker. We lost by 9 I think, But it was still a pretty convincing loss despite Parkers 43 pts. If Jordan and Kobe can't do it by themselves than Parker has no chance.

You're right. It's Parker's fault that Matt Bonner was our starting center.

So we should trade Parker because of it.

Dude. Stop. You're done. You lost. There is no debate here. You haven't made a single cognizant point in this entire thread.

[ohmwrecker]

I can't believe I've been arguing with a trade machine linker.

[Freeze]

Thats nice, but how did he help the other guys get going. Lets think about game 4 vs Mavs. He had 31pts by the half. Thats one of the most awesome displays of individual offense I've ever seen (HONEST). But later on the other guys werent involved and they locked into Parker. We lost by 9 I think, But it was still a pretty convincing loss despite Parkers 43 pts. If Jordan and Kobe can't do it by themselves than Parker has no chance.

The other guys were like 1 on 20 FG's !!!!

He kept us in the game when it could have been a blown out !

[Cry Havoc]

4-1 Mavs.

You are more stupid.

Oh look, a closet Mavs fan.

Four rings, got!

[portnoy1]

28.6 points, 6.8 assists, and 4.2 rebounds on 54.6% shooting.

You are stupid.

Almost 30pts 7ast a game and he shot I great percentage from the field. Thats all cool, but outside if him take a look at the other averages -Duncan's ofcourse.

[TD4THREE]

4-1 Mavs.

You are more stupid.

That's what happens when Roger Mason is your third option.

[portnoy1]

You're right. It's Parker's fault that Matt Bonner was our starting center.

So we should trade Parker because of it.

Dude. Stop. You're done. You lost. There is no debate here. You haven't made a single cognizant point in this entire thread.

Each player has a specific talent and its really up to the Point guard to use that talent to the teams benefit. Manu was out and Parker drove and dished all day long. You have to have more dynamics to your Offense. If parker were A TOP 3 POINT GUARD he would have noticed that JJ Barea was guarding Michael Finley, a player who cant post up ( especially a 5-9 dude ). If I recall Parker never once looked for finley downlow. Once again you have to utilize talents of the other players on the team not just yours.

[portnoy1]

If Finley posted up Barea and got some buckets, drew double teams or got a couple of Fouls on little JJ, then the mavs would have had to change their defensive scheme. Maybe even not play JJ as much. Then when finley post up parker can wait out on the Perimeter and used his improved Jumpshot to make the mavs pay for doubling down. Parker would have had and easy night with 30 or even 40 pts, without working like a dog to get his and to set up everybody else.

[sonic21]

lol at tony haters.
They were quiet for months when tony carried us the 2nd part of the season.

[Leetonidas]

Playoffs Ranks :
TP Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Rondo Ranks #13 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Billups Ranks #15 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
D-Will Ranks #23 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes
Calderon Ranks #39 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (regular season, did not make the playoffs)
Paul Ranks #41 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (was 2nd in the regular season, but does not count isn't it ?)
Iverson do not ranks in the nba in Efficiency

So I guess on your criteria TP is the 5th best player in the NBA, and the best PG.

Funny how the ignored this.

[portnoy1]

parker is an effecient scorer, has been for the last few years. but so was Kevin Mchale

[Leetonidas]

parker is an effecient scorer, has been for the last few years. but so was Kevin Mchale

Okay, one of the 50 All-Time Greats? That's a compliment.

[portnoy1]

Okay, one of the 50 All-Time Greats? That's a compliment.

my point is that mchale never passed.

[portnoy1]

Your not going to change his opinion. IF its wrong...

Its wrong...

thats fine but my point is still solid. you can have great scoring numbers, but it doesnt mean that your good at other aspects of the game.